September 24, 2025 • 40 mins
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Kamala Harris’s Book Revelations
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Harris reportedly wrote that she considered Pete Buttigieg as her first choice for VP but decided against him because being both a Black woman and having a gay running mate was “too big of a risk” politically.
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She also considered Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro but claimed his being Jewish, combined with concerns about protests over Gaza, would hurt enthusiasm within the Democratic Party.
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Critics in the show frame these choices as evidence of hypocrisy in a party that emphasizes “tolerance and inclusion.”
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Reactions to Harris’s Explanations
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The hosts argue that Harris blamed voter prejudice rather than policy failures for her struggles.
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They suggest that her remarks expose bigotry within her own party, not among Republicans.
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Rachel Maddow’s interview with Harris is highlighted, showing tension as Maddow pressed Harris on the “gay VP” issue.
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Kimmel allegedly spread misinformation by joking that Charlie Kirk’s killer was a right-wing extremist, when reports indicated the opposite.
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ABC briefly pulled him, then returned him to air. Cruz and Ferguson critique Kimmel’s credibility, lack of humor, and political bias.
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They contrast Kimmel with Jon Stewart, whom Cruz admits is funny despite their political differences.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well come in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben
Ferguson with you and Senator we are going to get
back to more of what we normally do on this
show today after this incredibly sad but inspiring last week,
especially as you and I have come back from the
funeral of Charlie Kirk. And one of the things that
we're going to be talking about is a very interesting
(00:22):
book launch. And man, is she just throwing her colleagues
under the bus, Kamala Harris going scorched to earth, but
then trying to take some of it back in the interviews.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's really bad.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Pr Well, I think Kamala Harris has decided she needs
a new pair of shoes, so she wants to sell books,
to sell a lot of books, and so she's.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come out with her book.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And in the book she admits that she didn't pick
Pete Buddhaje Edge's VP why because he's gay? And she
didn't pick Josh Shapiro as VP why because he's Jewish.
And then she's proceeded to say, no big deal, just
the Democrat Party is no gays need apply, no Jews
(01:02):
need to ply. But remember we're the party of tolerance
and inclusion. We're going to break that down, tell you
exactly what she said. And finally, Jimmy Kimmel is back
on ABC, at least for a minute or two. I
don't know how long this will last, but he is
back on. We're going to talk about that, what it means,
what it means for ABC, what it means for America,
(01:23):
what it means for free speech, all of that on
today's Verdict.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I want to talk to you real quick about the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews in something that is
coming up that's really important that I want you to
be involved in. It was nearly two years ago that
the terrorists murdered more than one thousand, two hundred innocent
Israelis and then they took two hundred and fifty hostages,
many of them they've killed.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Today, it seems as if.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The cries of the dead and the dying have been
drowned out by the shouts of anti Semitic hatred, and
the most brutal attack on the Jewish people since the Holocausts,
by many now has just been forgotten. Yet, as the
world looks away, light shines in the darkness, and it
is a movement of love and support for the people
of Israel that we want you to be a part of.
(02:10):
It's called Flags of Fellowship and it's organized by the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Now this is the
best part. On October fifth, just a few weeks away,
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
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twenty three. And they're grieving families as well. And you
can be a part of this movement this day. Also,
you can get your church involved as well. All you
have to do is get more information and you can
join the Flags of Fellowship movement by visiting Fellowship online.
(02:52):
Just go to IFCJ dot org and again you can
get all the information on how to join the Flags
of Fellowship movement. You can also find out how to
get your church involved. That's IFCJ dot org. That's if
CJ dot org. All right, So Kama put out this
book and the name of the book is really funny.
It's the number of days that her campaign was. Obviously,
(03:15):
when Joe Biden was forced after that first debate to
get out. Kamala Harris was the obvious pick for multiple reasons,
including it was the easiest way to keep the money
rolling from the presidential campaign of Joe Biden. But she's
now basically saying I'm a brilliant candidate. Everybody else was
bad and no one helped me the way they should have.
And she's like angry at the entire Democratic Party and
(03:36):
also at Joe Biden and his family.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, she's got a lot of anger, but I will
admit that that there's actually at least a moment or
two of honesty and candor in this book. And the
honesty and candor is just how intolerant and judgmental and
hateful the Democrat Party has been that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Hold on, they're the party of tolerance. They've been saying
it for years.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well here's what she wrote.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
She said that her first choice to be VP was
her close friend Pete Botajetge, but she decided that it
would be quote too big of a risk for a
black woman to run with a gay man. And she
says Buddhajetge quote would have been an ideal partner if
(04:24):
I were a straight white man, but we were already
asking a lot of America to accept a woman, a
black woman, a black woman married to a Jewish man.
Part of me wanted to say, screw it, let's just
do it, but knowing what's at stake, it was too
big a risk. Now, let me start by saying, listen,
Democrats are at their core racist. They are at their
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core deeply bigoted. So her view of it. By the way,
she didn't lose in Kamala's world because the Democrats agenda
for four years under Biden and Kamala was a train racket,
was a disaster. She didn't lose because of open borders
and twelve million illegals coming into this country. She didn't
lose because of Americans being murdered and raped and children
(05:11):
being assaulted by illegals they'd released. She didn't lose because
of out of control inflation making it harder for working
Americans to buy groceries and pay their bills. She didn't
lose because on the international stage they'd screwed everything up
and went from peace and prosperity to two simultaneous wars.
She didn't lose because of anti Semitic protests on college
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campuses that Democrats did nothing about. No, no, no, no,
in Kamala's world, she lost because I'm going to go
back to her quote, we were already asking a lot
of America to accept a woman, because clearly that's why
she lost in Kamala's world. Because she's a woman, a
black woman. Clearly, that's even more why she lost in
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Kamala's world, a black woman married to a Jewish man.
I'm sorry, is there a single voter on planet Earth
who voted against Kamala because she's a black woman married
to a Jewish man? Well, actually the answer maybe yes,
but that would be a Democrat who is anti Semitic
and can't stand that she was married to a Jewish man.
But that was her world is she said, Well, because
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everyone's racist, like we and the Democrat Party are, I
can't pick Pete. And she says Pete would be an
ideal partner. That's who she wanted to pick. And the
singular reason she did not is he was gay. If
he were straight, she not explicitly says it, but she
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pretty clearly suggests he would have been her pick. And
and she's quite open about saying nope, for her being
gay was disqualifying.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, I want to play this, and there's two versions
of it. I want to play the longer version because
Comly went on the biggest TV show to sell a book.
If you're a Democrat, Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, and Rachel
is for you, they don't know she's openly gay. She
was not happy with Kamala and had the book there
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and was clearly wanting to take her to task. I
want you to listen to this back and forth and
how awkward it got on.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Let me ask you a politics question. I mentioned an
intro tonight that you say in the book really bluntly
that your personal first choice for your running mate would
have been Pete Buda Jete, and you praise him effusively.
You say you would have been an ideal partner if
I were a straight man, and you say effectively that demographically,
it was too much to ask of the American people
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to ask them to elect you with him as your
running mate. I wonder if his reaction to that, since
this part of the book has come out, if you've
had any reflection on that, or.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I guess I'd ask you to just elaborate on that
a little bit. It's hard to hear with you running
as you know, you're the first woman elected vice president,
you're a black woman and a South Asian woman elected
that high office, very nearly elected president.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
To say that he.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Couldn't be on the ticket effectively because he was gay,
it's hard to hear.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
No, No, that's not what I said. That that's that he
couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay. My point,
as I write in the book, is that I was
clear that in one hundred and seven days, in one
of the most hotly contested elections for president United States,
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against someone like Donald Trump, who knows no floor, to
be a black woman running for president United States and
as a vice presidential running mate a gay man, with
the stakes being so high, it made me very sad.
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But I also realized it would be a real risk
no matter how you know. I've been an advocate and
an ally of of the LGBT community my entire life.
So it wasn't about it wasn't about it right, So
it wasn't about any any prejudice on my part, but
that we had such a short we had such a
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short period of time and the stakes were so high.
I think Pete is a phenomenal, phenomenal public servant, and
I think America is and would be ready for that.
But at when I had to make that decision with
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two weeks to go, you know, and maybe I was
being too cautious. You know, I'll let our friends, we
should all talk about that. Maybe I was, But that's
the decision I made, and I'm and I, as with
everything else in the book, I'm being very candid about that. Yeah,
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with a great deal of sadness about also the fact
that it might have been a risk.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So in other words, I'm not racist or bigoted. You are,
so I couldn't do what I wanted to do because
you're racist. And by the way, this would be among Democrats.
She's literally saying to democrats, y'all couldn't handle a gay man.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And if you listen to what she said to Rachel Maddow,
and let's be clear, Rachel Mattow was pissed. Yes, she
was clearly pissed. She was trying to restrain herself, but
she was really unhappy. And and you listen, actually commonly
interrupts Rachel at Mattow and says, quote, no, no, no,
that's not what I said. That that's that he couldn't
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be on the ticket because he is gay, And that
is exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
What she said, yep. And she said if he were,
he'd be on the ticket.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So she said, I didn't say that he couldn't be
on the ticket because he's gay. I just decided he
couldn't be on the ticket because he's gay. And so
her answer is, it's not me, it's just the voters
are are so prejudiced that that that I decided to
exclude him. But the amazing thing is that's not the
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only vice presidential candidate that she excluded, again for prejudice,
And so she admits the very same thing about Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And Josh Shapiro, Look, you and I talked about this
on the podcast. If you were a Democrat and you
wanted the Democrats to win, Look, obviously you didn't want that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I didn't want that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But if you wanted the Democrats to win, Josh Shapiro
was the obvious choice. He was a popular governor in Pennsylvania,
the single most important and largest swing state in the country.
And Harris wrote that she had three finalists, Shapiro, Tim Waltz,
who she picked, and Arizona Senator Mark Kelly and She
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interviewed them on one by one in her vice presidential residence,
the Naval Observatory on August fourth, twenty twenty four. Two
days later, she announced the selection of Waltz. Shapiro was
apparently the first of the three she interviewed, and she
writes quote, At one point, he Shapiro mused that he
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would want to be in the room for every decision.
I told him bluntly that was an unrealistic expectation. A
vice president is not a co president. I had a
nagging concern that he would be unable to settle for
a role as number two, and that it would wear
on our partnership. I had to be able to completely
trust the person in that role every day. As president,
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I said, I'll have ninety nine problems, and my VP
can't be one. But then she went on to say
that the real reason she didn't pick Shapiro is that
he's Jewish. And here's what she writes in her book.
I know it's a shocker. It's surprised.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's like, yeah, there's bigots in the Democratic Party. Never
saw that coming. Keep going, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked about how to handle the attacks he'd confronted
on Gaza and what effect it might have on the
enthusiasm we were trying to build. Big protests at the
convention were a major concern. I understand what she's saying there.
Number One, she was worried, if I pick a jew
the problem will be what effect it might have on
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the enthusiasm we were trying to build. Democrats would be furious,
how dare you pick a Jewish person as your VP.
But then the next thing she wrote is even more astonishing.
Big protests at the convention were a major concern. But
by the way, who would be protesting. It's not right wingers,
it's not the Klan. She was worried that left wing
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pro Haamas sympathizers would protest at the convention, and you
know what they would have. The fundamental problem is the
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party has taken over
the party. And you and I said at the time,
the reason she did not pick Josh Shapiro is the
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party now has a
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veto and they vetoed Shapiro because he is Jewish. That's
what she admits. She also says that she and Shapiro
discussed an opinion piece he had written as a twenty
year old, in which he said that the people in
Palestine quote are too battle minded to be able to
establish a peaceful homeland of their own. And to be clear,
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Shapiro has since run away from that and has embraced
a two state solution. And by the way, his stated
positions on Israel are the same as hers, which is
they are all in against the government of Israel. Nonetheless,
she is unequivocal. Shapiro was vetoed because he's Jewish, and
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Buddha Jedge was vetoed because he's gay, and that is
her own con confession written in her own book.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So here's my question, then, who does qualify to be president?
Because the white guy, I guess is kind of acceptable
I should say VP, but not if you're gay and
or if you're Jewish. So is it just like it's
just only people that either don't look like her or
only people that are just straight white guys. I'm really
confused now in the new Party of the Democratic like,
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who is an appropriate candidate?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well, look, and she managed to find the weirdest white
guy she could Tim Waltz, And there's an irony because
until she picked him as VP, the only thing people
knew about Tim Waltz is that he said Republicans were weird.
That was sort of his breakthrough moment where he said
they're weird. And then suddenly he gets on the national
stage and everyone's like, holy cow, this guy. You know,
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like the nickname he got of jazz hands, Like I
don't get how he like waves, but you know, you
know who he reminded me of who is the hut?
Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live when he played the
cheerleader with Cherio Terry. Yeah, I mean, I mean that
is Tim Waltz.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes, And.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Gosh, I almost wish he'd been on the national stage
for longer than twenty two seconds, because if they could
have brought Will Ferrell back to reprise him, he could
have done the most spectacular.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Tim Waltz. But the problem is they'd never do it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They'd probably bring in I don't know, Brad Pitt to
play him instead, because you know, Saturday Night Live is
all about lionizing the left and attacking the right. But
if they were being honest, Will Ferrell could have done
a spectacular Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
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(19:29):
I I I actually kind of expected this from Kamala.
There's one consistently see with her, it's never going to
be her fault anything. You know, she had a really
hard time in the White House keeping staff with that
was well documented.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Uh, there's there a lot of the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Staff it felt like she just chastised them and berated them.
A lot of them quit early on. There was not
like a big tenured staff there either. And now it's
not her fault. The American people didn't reject her before
I when she was running for president and had pulling
it like one or two percent, and then they're like, well,
it's not my fault that I didn't win, it's their
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fault that I didn't win, and they didn't do it right.
And she also trashed her the guy who made her
into even having a chance at the White House, and
Joe Biden, and trash Joe Biden's family as well. I
think you're going to see probably some pushback from them
in the near future because this book was not flattering
of Joe Biden, who really without Joe Biden, she wouldn't
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have even gotten to write this book.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, look, Joe Biden, I mean, let's be honest, he
can't stand Kamala Harris and he has never been able
to stand Kamala Harris. If you remember the twenty twenty
presidential primary, Kamala lit into him and basically called him
a bigoted clansman. In fact, her signature breakout moment was
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when she was talking about little girls, little African American
girls being left behind and segregated schools and bussing. She said,
I was that little girl, and it was a you know,
tear down this old white bigot moment. Now it failed,
and she ended up getting I think effectively zero votes
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in the Democrat primer. I don't know, maybe she got
more than zero votes, but she got zero delegates. She
dropped out before Iowa, but Biden trapped himself. So do
you know why why Kamala was was Biden's VP?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think he had no choice.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
She was going after him saying he's a racist, old
white guy, and they're like, how do we shut her up?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Okay, So I don't believe that is I'm ready. Okay, Okay,
So I have a theory. I can't prove this, but
but I feel pretty good about my theory. So Biden
had initially promised that he would pick a woman as VP.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And and listen, I.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Went back to the Democrats. They are being counters. Nobody
is an individual. You are not a human being in
their book. You are a white male Southerner conservative. You
don't even exist. Yeah, but everyone falls into a category.
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And so Katanji Brown Jackson, Joe Biden promised, I'm going
to nominate a black woman to the court. Katanji becomes
Justice Jackson. Biden early on promised, I'm going to nominate
a woman as VP. And it's again, it's the it's
the everyone is their characteristic rather than who they are.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And what they say and what they believe.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I believe personally that Biden intended to pick Amy Klobuchar.
I think that when he said that that was in
his mind. He likes say they get along. And then
what happened that messed up his plan is is George
Floyd was killed, and we saw the country irrupt in violence.
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We saw riots, violent riots and cities all across the
country Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. We saw police
cars being firebombed, and suddenly it changed the dynamics of
a Democrat primary. So he was heading to be the nominee.
Maybe he was the nominee Africa. Forget the exact timeline,
but he was the nominee, and the realities of Democrat
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primary politics meant suddenly it didn't just have to be
a woman, It had to be an African American woman.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yep. And he was suddenly stuck.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So if you look at the category of senators or
governors who are African American women, there was precisely one
Kamala Harris. He could choose others. He chosen their couple
of House members that he could have chosen. There are
a couple of mayors that he could have chosen, But
Joe Biden is a man of the Senate. He spent
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forty years in the Senate. I think it was just
Biden was incapable of picking what he would view as
a lowly house member, a lowly mayor. It just did
that was not in his range. And he suddenly was
backed into it must be a woman. And because of
George Floyd, now it must be an African American woman.
And there was one only one choice, and that was
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Kamala Harris and boom he named Kamala. But I think
Biden to this day can't stand her, and I think
she to this day can't stand him. Yeah and so
and and by the way she she was fully.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He really couldn't stand her from the very beginning. Apparently
from internal reporting, she did not want Joe Biden to
pick her, didn't like her, didn't trust her, didn't want
her to be the VP.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But he trapped her, like what other choice did he
have when he said it was going to be a woman.
Do you agree with me that as a matter of
Democrat politics after George Floyd, it had to be an
African American.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, I think they panned her so much in
their world. Yes, and I think, like you said, it
had to be a woman. And if you look at
that list, who's on that list is at that level.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And yeah, and also.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
It's literally a set of It's literally a set of one.
What he could have picked Karen bass now, the mayor
of Los Angeles, who was this you know, Marxist, Fidel
Castro loving house member, like like Biden was not going
to do that. Yeah, and and and so he was stuck.
But but and let's be clear, when Biden cratered, So
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for most of the Biden presidency, the president froze kamalad everything.
They couldn't stand her. She was screwing up, she she
was losing staff, she she every time she did an interview,
she messed it up. And so they just frozed her out.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And so then.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
When Biden had his disastrous debate with Trump, look it
was Kamala who was quite eager. She let others actually
plunge the knife in. It was Nancy Pelosi and Chuck
Schumer and others that that finish the job of a
tube brute and stabbed Biden in the back and took
him out. Although to be clear, and longtime listeners a
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verdict will remember this. Ben, You and I did a
special podcast the night of that debate, YEP, where we
predicted that night we said, this show will go down
as the most consequential debate in presidential history. Why because
this debate changed the names that will be on the
ballot in November, and we predicted that night within an
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hour of the debate, Joe Biden will not be on
the ballot November because of this debate. By the way,
we'd been predicting for a year that the Democrats would
pull Biden, and a bunch of the corporate media had
been mocking us, and to be clear, me in particular
for saying that, And of course that prediction proved right.
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But Kamala, the bad blood between them is real and
it's significant, So she's evening a score there. But it
is amazing how she can readily admit she excluded Shapiro
because he's Jewish and Buddhagic because he's gay, and yet
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she can nonetheless feel self righteous that theirs is the
party of inclusion and it's the Republicans that are intolerant
and hateful, and it's just it just falls all right.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I want to pivot real quick to something that just
truly is hysterical, and that is ABC News. We thought
they had actually done the right thing, and we're willing
to say that it Yet, No, Jimmy Kimmel, you're not
going to go out there and lie about who assassinated
and what they believed in of Charlie Kirk. We now
(27:46):
know that the sin for doing that, for that crime
is a sentence of going on a vacation for about
six days, so less than a week. And ABC News like,
all right, we started back up on Tuesday night. Now here,
here's the other instant thing. Not everybody's going along with this.
Next star in Sinclair are saying no, they're not going
(28:07):
to be hearing it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They want and a real.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Apology for him before they think about putting him back
on the air.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Your reaction to.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That, well, you and I are recording this show Tuesday night,
and as we're recording it, Kimmel has not yet gone
on air, So I don't know what he's going to say.
He might do all sorts of things. He might stand
up and give a heartfelt apology. He might admit that
(28:35):
in his last show he told a lie. He engaged
in active disinformation. His sort of joke, which wasn't remotely funny,
was that the murderer of Charlie Kirk was a right
wing maga guy. Now that's a lie, and it's a
(28:55):
lie with consequence. I mean, we've seen the polling that
shows a majority of Democrats believe Charlie Kirk's killer was
a right winger. Now that is a brazen lie. Charlie
Kirk's killer was radicalized. He was a leftist. Law enforcement
has said this over and over again. He was living
with his boyfriend who was a transgender, who was a furry,
(29:16):
who was a man transitioning to be a woman. The
killer engraved Antifa and transgender slogans on the casings that
he used for the assassination. So there's no ambiguity. This
is a man of the left. And so maybe, maybe,
just maybe, and I may be holding out hope. Kimmel
(29:37):
stands up and gives a heartfelt apology, says I'm sorry,
and what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific. It was
a political assassination. It is wrong, and it's clear this
was not some right winger who did this. This was
a leftist this is my side of the aisle. This
is Jimmy Kimmel speaking, and I'm sorry. If that happens,
(29:57):
I think the odds are very very high. You and I,
almost regardless of what happens, are going to be talking
about this on Friday's pod.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So on Friday will know what he said. We don't
know what he said right now.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I think that's unlikely. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but
I think it's unlikely that Kimmel. He may give a
half hearted apology. He may say I'm sorry some people
were offended. Maybe I actually think he's more likely to
be defiant and say, to hell with you everyone who
was offended by the lies that I told. But we'll
see what I will say. Look my view on Kimmel,
(30:34):
I think he is profoundly unfunny. He hasn't been funny
in years. There was a long time ago when he
could be a comedian, a thousand years ago, but then
partisanship and hate overcame him, and his show consists of
just relentlessly screaming I hate Donald Trump. I hate Donald Trump,
I hate Conservatives, I hate Republicans. By the way, frequently
(30:58):
I hate Ted Cruz. Ever since I beat him at basketball.
I've lived rent free in his head.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And the problem is, listen, I'm as a Republican, I'm
actually fine with comedy that is roasting Republicans and Democrats.
I think good comedy makes fun of everyone. Actually, today
I retweeted so so so John Stewart did a whole
riff on The Daily Show blasting me, and it was
(31:27):
funny as hell. He actually played a clip from our
last verdict, uh where.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know where where I.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Talked about Kim Elenna and I did an impression of
of of of a godfather. Actually, I'll tell you what.
Let's play John Stewart, because this is actually comedy.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't agree with John Stewart's politics, but Stuart is
actually funny. I mean he makes me laugh and and
and and so let's play the clip. I'm gonna play clip.
This is making fun of me, but to all our
our vertical listeners, this is me playing John Stewart, just
mocking me, and he does a very good job. He's
a talented comedian. I'm perfectly fine with comedians who mock me,
(32:09):
as long as that's not all they do, as long
as they don't just scream.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I hate you.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I hate you, I hate you, but they're actually funny.
So here was John Stewart on the Daily Show talking
about he's going to quote verdict and then he's just
going to mercilessly mock me.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Give a listen.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Now, Cruz has supported this president through insults to his
own wife's looks and to his own father's loyalties, and
yet Cruz still manages to maintain a modicum of self
respect when it comes to this president trampling all over
a constitution, Sir, it brings me no pleasure.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
To have to play this. Look. I like Brendan Carr.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
He's a good guy. He's the chairman of the FCC.
I work closely with him. But what he said there
is dangerous as hell.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Fantastic, fantastic, Senator Ted Druz boldly stating that the FCC
chairman threatening the licenses of networks is dangerous, and Senator Cruz,
I would just say, maybe you should stop there.
Speaker 10 (33:16):
I would stop there. I would not continue with the
thought perfect no notes, all right, go on.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And I gotta say he threatens it. He says we
can do this the easy way, but we could do
this the hard way.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
The fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Sort of rerep the hard way. Oh, what kind of monster.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
Have you ever heard?
Speaker 11 (33:51):
We can do it DoD Way, We could do it
day bright, DoD Way, easy odd.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
That's not the Godfather that Lenny from Mice and Men.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
I get bunny. Your bunny can do a daisydd Way.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
You got more, Senator, don't you?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And I got to say, that's right out of good Fellows?
That that that that's right out of a mafioso coming
into a bar going nice bye.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You have here. It'd be a shame if something happened
to him.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's not a good Fellaw's quote.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
I know this because all of my decorative.
Speaker 11 (34:40):
Pillows have good Fellaw's quot karma.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, I would go home.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I would say, that's me at home.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Look at me, not Senator.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
A lesser man might tell you to go home and
get your shine.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Box, but I don't because you wouldn't even know what
that needs dead cruise.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
I mean to do that with Goodfellas, with that accent.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Is there anything in pop culture that I love that
you can't ruin?
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm a vegetarian.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I don't eat animals.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But Lisa, animals are so delicious.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
There's the animal we get bacon from the animal, we
get a ham from the animal, we get sausage from dad.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's all the same animal.
Speaker 12 (35:26):
Smithers, release the hounds eggs.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
They're not booing, they're saying boo earns. Imagine having to
endure a Texas power outage with this guy who wants
to hear my apoo anyone. Well, they ruined my love
of the sentence. At least I've still got my favorite franchise,
(36:00):
Star Wars, all to myself, So I don't have The.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Force is strong with this word. There is no try do.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Or do not.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
At best, he sounds like Yoda with a sinus infection,
trying not to come.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Your duke.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
You may enjoy Star Wars at Chris, but there's one
thing will never have in common, and that's my comfort movie.
The Princess Briane, a fantastical tale of adventure and true
love with an outstanding cast and oh you.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Know what's coming? You know what's coming with.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
An outstanding cast, including the inimitable Oh just roll it.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Why is it you have so worth living for?
Speaker 12 (37:02):
He presses on his chest and Wesley goes true, Long.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Shut up, witch, I'm not a witch.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
I'm your wife.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But after what you just said, I wish I wasn't.
Don't say that name what humping hopping, humpet it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I can't hear you, So.
Speaker 11 (37:17):
WHOA, that was a strange I'm like, oh, the One
Man Show.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
Do you know how hard it is to make Mario
Lopez uncomfortable? Truly, Mario Lopez, the man who need I
remind you did this dance in a tank tee in
front of everyone at the Max.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
All Right, I gotta say I'm laughing a little bit
because it is pretty good road, so I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Look, Ben, that's hysterical. I do like to do impressions.
I'm not particularly great at him, but I have fun
and I like pop culture. But like, that's actual comedy.
Like I'm going to make a prediction right now. What
John Stewart just did there is one hundred thousand times
funnier than whatever Jimmy Kimmel will do tonight. So we'll
(38:21):
see what he does. But look, the point that I
made in this podcast is the federal government, the FCC,
should not be threatening the licenses of ABC in order
to force them to take someone off the air, even
someone incredibly unfunny with terrible ratings, who gets one point
(38:42):
one million views, which means he gets fewer views and
listens than Verdict. Does we beat Jimmy Kimmel regularly and
someone who was actively lying about a political assassination. I
think all of those are reasons for ABC to fire him,
But I don't think the federal government should be forcing
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ABC to fire him. Why because look, when Biden was president,
the Biden FCC tried to yank Fox News's license and
I led the fight against it. We beat them, we
stopped them from doing it. You know what, if we
embrace the FCC stripping licenses from anyone who says something
you disagree with, the next Democrat president who gets in
(39:26):
the White House will do this and will come after,
will come after everyone right of center, And so that
is that is a slippery slope to oblivion. But at
the same time, understand, just because I'm saying the federal
government shouldn't force Kimmel off the air, I think market
forces should. And it's interesting that that sixty six ABC
(39:50):
stations did not carry the Kimmel program tonight. And if
there are enough market forces, ABC ultimately will respond to them.
I think market forces are a great check for horrific, unfunny, partisan,
dishonest speech. And by the way, if you're dishonest enough,
there could also be legal liability and litigation and all
(40:11):
sorts of consequences that come when you lie on air.
I just don't think it should be government regulators saying
we don't agree with the politics of your speech, so
we're taking your license. But that being said, the world
is better off without an unfunny, dishonest left wing partisan
who lies to the American people. And sadly, there was
(40:34):
a time when Jimmy Kimmel could be funny, but that's
what he has become.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, great point.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Don't forget we do his show Monday was a Friday
hit that subscriber auto download button. Wherever you listen, you
can also tell Siria Alexa, hey play Verdict with Ted
Cruz and it will do it automatically for you. So
make sure that you listen wherever you can on demand,
whenever you want to, and we will see you back
here in a couple of days.
Well come in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben
Ferguson with you and Senator we are going to get
back to more of what we normally do on this
show today after this incredibly sad but inspiring last week,
especially as you and I have come back from the
funeral of Charlie Kirk. And one of the things that
we're going to be talking about is a very interesting
(00:22):
book launch. And man, is she just throwing her colleagues
under the bus, Kamala Harris going scorched to earth, but
then trying to take some of it back in the interviews.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's really bad.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Pr Well, I think Kamala Harris has decided she needs
a new pair of shoes, so she wants to sell books,
to sell a lot of books, and so she's.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come out with her book.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And in the book she admits that she didn't pick
Pete Buddhaje Edge's VP why because he's gay? And she
didn't pick Josh Shapiro as VP why because he's Jewish.
And then she's proceeded to say, no big deal, just
the Democrat Party is no gays need apply, no Jews
(01:02):
need to ply. But remember we're the party of tolerance
and inclusion. We're going to break that down, tell you
exactly what she said. And finally, Jimmy Kimmel is back
on ABC, at least for a minute or two. I
don't know how long this will last, but he is
back on. We're going to talk about that, what it means,
what it means for ABC, what it means for America,
(01:23):
what it means for free speech, all of that on
today's Verdict.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I want to talk to you real quick about the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews in something that is
coming up that's really important that I want you to
be involved in. It was nearly two years ago that
the terrorists murdered more than one thousand, two hundred innocent
Israelis and then they took two hundred and fifty hostages,
many of them they've killed.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Today, it seems as if.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The cries of the dead and the dying have been
drowned out by the shouts of anti Semitic hatred, and
the most brutal attack on the Jewish people since the Holocausts,
by many now has just been forgotten. Yet, as the
world looks away, light shines in the darkness, and it
is a movement of love and support for the people
of Israel that we want you to be a part of.
(02:10):
It's called Flags of Fellowship and it's organized by the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Now this is the
best part. On October fifth, just a few weeks away,
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
(02:31):
twenty three. And they're grieving families as well. And you
can be a part of this movement this day. Also,
you can get your church involved as well. All you
have to do is get more information and you can
join the Flags of Fellowship movement by visiting Fellowship online.
(02:52):
Just go to IFCJ dot org and again you can
get all the information on how to join the Flags
of Fellowship movement. You can also find out how to
get your church involved. That's IFCJ dot org. That's if
CJ dot org. All right, So Kama put out this
book and the name of the book is really funny.
It's the number of days that her campaign was. Obviously,
(03:15):
when Joe Biden was forced after that first debate to
get out. Kamala Harris was the obvious pick for multiple reasons,
including it was the easiest way to keep the money
rolling from the presidential campaign of Joe Biden. But she's
now basically saying I'm a brilliant candidate. Everybody else was
bad and no one helped me the way they should have.
And she's like angry at the entire Democratic Party and
(03:36):
also at Joe Biden and his family.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, she's got a lot of anger, but I will
admit that that there's actually at least a moment or
two of honesty and candor in this book. And the
honesty and candor is just how intolerant and judgmental and
hateful the Democrat Party has been that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Hold on, they're the party of tolerance. They've been saying
it for years.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well here's what she wrote.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
She said that her first choice to be VP was
her close friend Pete Botajetge, but she decided that it
would be quote too big of a risk for a
black woman to run with a gay man. And she
says Buddhajetge quote would have been an ideal partner if
(04:24):
I were a straight white man, but we were already
asking a lot of America to accept a woman, a
black woman, a black woman married to a Jewish man.
Part of me wanted to say, screw it, let's just
do it, but knowing what's at stake, it was too
big a risk. Now, let me start by saying, listen,
Democrats are at their core racist. They are at their
(04:48):
core deeply bigoted. So her view of it. By the way,
she didn't lose in Kamala's world because the Democrats agenda
for four years under Biden and Kamala was a train racket,
was a disaster. She didn't lose because of open borders
and twelve million illegals coming into this country. She didn't
lose because of Americans being murdered and raped and children
(05:11):
being assaulted by illegals they'd released. She didn't lose because
of out of control inflation making it harder for working
Americans to buy groceries and pay their bills. She didn't
lose because on the international stage they'd screwed everything up
and went from peace and prosperity to two simultaneous wars.
She didn't lose because of anti Semitic protests on college
(05:31):
campuses that Democrats did nothing about. No, no, no, no,
in Kamala's world, she lost because I'm going to go
back to her quote, we were already asking a lot
of America to accept a woman, because clearly that's why
she lost in Kamala's world. Because she's a woman, a
black woman. Clearly, that's even more why she lost in
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Kamala's world, a black woman married to a Jewish man.
I'm sorry, is there a single voter on planet Earth
who voted against Kamala because she's a black woman married
to a Jewish man? Well, actually the answer maybe yes,
but that would be a Democrat who is anti Semitic
and can't stand that she was married to a Jewish man.
But that was her world is she said, Well, because
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everyone's racist, like we and the Democrat Party are, I
can't pick Pete. And she says Pete would be an
ideal partner. That's who she wanted to pick. And the
singular reason she did not is he was gay. If
he were straight, she not explicitly says it, but she
(06:37):
pretty clearly suggests he would have been her pick. And
and she's quite open about saying nope, for her being
gay was disqualifying.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, I want to play this, and there's two versions
of it. I want to play the longer version because
Comly went on the biggest TV show to sell a book.
If you're a Democrat, Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, and Rachel
is for you, they don't know she's openly gay. She
was not happy with Kamala and had the book there
(07:08):
and was clearly wanting to take her to task. I
want you to listen to this back and forth and
how awkward it got on.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Let me ask you a politics question. I mentioned an
intro tonight that you say in the book really bluntly
that your personal first choice for your running mate would
have been Pete Buda Jete, and you praise him effusively.
You say you would have been an ideal partner if
I were a straight man, and you say effectively that demographically,
it was too much to ask of the American people
(07:39):
to ask them to elect you with him as your
running mate. I wonder if his reaction to that, since
this part of the book has come out, if you've
had any reflection on that, or.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I guess I'd ask you to just elaborate on that
a little bit. It's hard to hear with you running
as you know, you're the first woman elected vice president,
you're a black woman and a South Asian woman elected
that high office, very nearly elected president.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
To say that he.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Couldn't be on the ticket effectively because he was gay,
it's hard to hear.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
No, No, that's not what I said. That that's that he
couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay. My point,
as I write in the book, is that I was
clear that in one hundred and seven days, in one
of the most hotly contested elections for president United States,
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against someone like Donald Trump, who knows no floor, to
be a black woman running for president United States and
as a vice presidential running mate a gay man, with
the stakes being so high, it made me very sad.
(08:53):
But I also realized it would be a real risk
no matter how you know. I've been an advocate and
an ally of of the LGBT community my entire life.
So it wasn't about it wasn't about it right, So
it wasn't about any any prejudice on my part, but
that we had such a short we had such a
(09:15):
short period of time and the stakes were so high.
I think Pete is a phenomenal, phenomenal public servant, and
I think America is and would be ready for that.
But at when I had to make that decision with
(09:38):
two weeks to go, you know, and maybe I was
being too cautious. You know, I'll let our friends, we
should all talk about that. Maybe I was, But that's
the decision I made, and I'm and I, as with
everything else in the book, I'm being very candid about that. Yeah,
(09:59):
with a great deal of sadness about also the fact
that it might have been a risk.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So in other words, I'm not racist or bigoted. You are,
so I couldn't do what I wanted to do because
you're racist. And by the way, this would be among Democrats.
She's literally saying to democrats, y'all couldn't handle a gay man.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And if you listen to what she said to Rachel Maddow,
and let's be clear, Rachel Mattow was pissed. Yes, she
was clearly pissed. She was trying to restrain herself, but
she was really unhappy. And and you listen, actually commonly
interrupts Rachel at Mattow and says, quote, no, no, no,
that's not what I said. That that's that he couldn't
(10:43):
be on the ticket because he is gay, And that
is exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
What she said, yep. And she said if he were,
he'd be on the ticket.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So she said, I didn't say that he couldn't be
on the ticket because he's gay. I just decided he
couldn't be on the ticket because he's gay. And so
her answer is, it's not me, it's just the voters
are are so prejudiced that that that I decided to
exclude him. But the amazing thing is that's not the
(11:17):
only vice presidential candidate that she excluded, again for prejudice,
And so she admits the very same thing about Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And Josh Shapiro, Look, you and I talked about this
on the podcast. If you were a Democrat and you
wanted the Democrats to win, Look, obviously you didn't want that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I didn't want that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But if you wanted the Democrats to win, Josh Shapiro
was the obvious choice. He was a popular governor in Pennsylvania,
the single most important and largest swing state in the country.
And Harris wrote that she had three finalists, Shapiro, Tim Waltz,
who she picked, and Arizona Senator Mark Kelly and She
(12:04):
interviewed them on one by one in her vice presidential residence,
the Naval Observatory on August fourth, twenty twenty four. Two
days later, she announced the selection of Waltz. Shapiro was
apparently the first of the three she interviewed, and she
writes quote, At one point, he Shapiro mused that he
(12:26):
would want to be in the room for every decision.
I told him bluntly that was an unrealistic expectation. A
vice president is not a co president. I had a
nagging concern that he would be unable to settle for
a role as number two, and that it would wear
on our partnership. I had to be able to completely
trust the person in that role every day. As president,
(12:49):
I said, I'll have ninety nine problems, and my VP
can't be one. But then she went on to say
that the real reason she didn't pick Shapiro is that
he's Jewish. And here's what she writes in her book.
I know it's a shocker. It's surprised.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's like, yeah, there's bigots in the Democratic Party. Never
saw that coming. Keep going, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked about how to handle the attacks he'd confronted
on Gaza and what effect it might have on the
enthusiasm we were trying to build. Big protests at the
convention were a major concern. I understand what she's saying there.
Number One, she was worried, if I pick a jew
the problem will be what effect it might have on
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the enthusiasm we were trying to build. Democrats would be furious,
how dare you pick a Jewish person as your VP.
But then the next thing she wrote is even more astonishing.
Big protests at the convention were a major concern. But
by the way, who would be protesting. It's not right wingers,
it's not the Klan. She was worried that left wing
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pro Haamas sympathizers would protest at the convention, and you
know what they would have. The fundamental problem is the
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party has taken over
the party. And you and I said at the time,
the reason she did not pick Josh Shapiro is the
pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party now has a
(14:22):
veto and they vetoed Shapiro because he is Jewish. That's
what she admits. She also says that she and Shapiro
discussed an opinion piece he had written as a twenty
year old, in which he said that the people in
Palestine quote are too battle minded to be able to
establish a peaceful homeland of their own. And to be clear,
(14:45):
Shapiro has since run away from that and has embraced
a two state solution. And by the way, his stated
positions on Israel are the same as hers, which is
they are all in against the government of Israel. Nonetheless,
she is unequivocal. Shapiro was vetoed because he's Jewish, and
(15:09):
Buddha Jedge was vetoed because he's gay, and that is
her own con confession written in her own book.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So here's my question, then, who does qualify to be president?
Because the white guy, I guess is kind of acceptable
I should say VP, but not if you're gay and
or if you're Jewish. So is it just like it's
just only people that either don't look like her or
only people that are just straight white guys. I'm really
confused now in the new Party of the Democratic like,
(15:39):
who is an appropriate candidate?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well, look, and she managed to find the weirdest white
guy she could Tim Waltz, And there's an irony because
until she picked him as VP, the only thing people
knew about Tim Waltz is that he said Republicans were weird.
That was sort of his breakthrough moment where he said
they're weird. And then suddenly he gets on the national
stage and everyone's like, holy cow, this guy. You know,
(16:05):
like the nickname he got of jazz hands, Like I
don't get how he like waves, but you know, you
know who he reminded me of who is the hut?
Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live when he played the
cheerleader with Cherio Terry. Yeah, I mean, I mean that
is Tim Waltz.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes, And.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Gosh, I almost wish he'd been on the national stage
for longer than twenty two seconds, because if they could
have brought Will Ferrell back to reprise him, he could
have done the most spectacular.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Tim Waltz. But the problem is they'd never do it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They'd probably bring in I don't know, Brad Pitt to
play him instead, because you know, Saturday Night Live is
all about lionizing the left and attacking the right. But
if they were being honest, Will Ferrell could have done
a spectacular Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
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Amendment guy. I've shared on numerous occasions how caring I
firearms saved my life from a gang related attack. But
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may not be comfortable having a gun by their side,
you still want them to be able to protect themselves
and others in times of danger. And that's where the
Berna launcher comes in. Berna is a handheld pistol that
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to share the true story of how a California homeowner
used a burner launcher to stop a home intruder. Josh
(17:40):
tell us what happened.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
You know, Bob Braid was one of the earliest adopters
of Berna back when we first started. He lived in
California in a residential suburb of LA that was pretty
prone to a lot of vagrancy, a lot of homeless
walking up and down the street. He kept to Berna's
living room, and one of these vagrants wandered in his home,
just confused, probably chunk and intoxicated. In the wrong house.
Bob was able to pull his burnet out, point it
(18:04):
at the intruder, who promptly backed out of the home
back into the yard. And of course it was all
taught on surveillance. You didn't even have to use the
Berna and he was able to ward off this intruder
in a situation that could have ended incredibly badly had
more force than used. This is a great demonstration of
how the lowest level of force can be used to
(18:24):
rectify a situation. And of course it was all thought
on video, which it makes for a great illustration of
how that burnet can be used on a day to
day basis.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
There's a lot of people are going to say, well,
why wouldn't the homeowner just use a gun in this case?
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Yeah, Well, one, it comes down to the legality. You know,
in this part of California, it made me very difficult
to use a gun. And then two we saw that
this intruder literally just stumbled into the wrong home in
an altered state of mind. Nobody wants to kill anybody
that doesn't need killing that they absolutely don't have to.
So this is a great instance where the burner was
(18:58):
able to be used. The lowest level of les legal
forces able to use recfoted situation without bringing a gun
into that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I tell you I have one of these. My
family members do as well a lot of my friends.
If you want more information on how you or a
family member can protect themselves with a Berno launcher, go
to Berna by r NA dot com. That's burna dot
com by RNA dot com. Again, protect yourself and your
family burna b Why RNA dot com. Final question on this,
(19:29):
I I I actually kind of expected this from Kamala.
There's one consistently see with her, it's never going to
be her fault anything. You know, she had a really
hard time in the White House keeping staff with that
was well documented.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Uh, there's there a lot of the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Staff it felt like she just chastised them and berated them.
A lot of them quit early on. There was not
like a big tenured staff there either. And now it's
not her fault. The American people didn't reject her before
I when she was running for president and had pulling
it like one or two percent, and then they're like, well,
it's not my fault that I didn't win, it's their
(20:07):
fault that I didn't win, and they didn't do it right.
And she also trashed her the guy who made her
into even having a chance at the White House, and
Joe Biden, and trash Joe Biden's family as well. I
think you're going to see probably some pushback from them
in the near future because this book was not flattering
of Joe Biden, who really without Joe Biden, she wouldn't
(20:30):
have even gotten to write this book.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, look, Joe Biden, I mean, let's be honest, he
can't stand Kamala Harris and he has never been able
to stand Kamala Harris. If you remember the twenty twenty
presidential primary, Kamala lit into him and basically called him
a bigoted clansman. In fact, her signature breakout moment was
(20:56):
when she was talking about little girls, little African American
girls being left behind and segregated schools and bussing. She said,
I was that little girl, and it was a you know,
tear down this old white bigot moment. Now it failed,
and she ended up getting I think effectively zero votes
(21:20):
in the Democrat primer. I don't know, maybe she got
more than zero votes, but she got zero delegates. She
dropped out before Iowa, but Biden trapped himself. So do
you know why why Kamala was was Biden's VP?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think he had no choice.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
She was going after him saying he's a racist, old
white guy, and they're like, how do we shut her up?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Okay, So I don't believe that is I'm ready. Okay, Okay,
So I have a theory. I can't prove this, but
but I feel pretty good about my theory. So Biden
had initially promised that he would pick a woman as VP.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And and listen, I.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Went back to the Democrats. They are being counters. Nobody
is an individual. You are not a human being in
their book. You are a white male Southerner conservative. You
don't even exist. Yeah, but everyone falls into a category.
(22:19):
And so Katanji Brown Jackson, Joe Biden promised, I'm going
to nominate a black woman to the court. Katanji becomes
Justice Jackson. Biden early on promised, I'm going to nominate
a woman as VP. And it's again, it's the it's
the everyone is their characteristic rather than who they are.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And what they say and what they believe.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I believe personally that Biden intended to pick Amy Klobuchar.
I think that when he said that that was in
his mind. He likes say they get along. And then
what happened that messed up his plan is is George
Floyd was killed, and we saw the country irrupt in violence.
(23:00):
We saw riots, violent riots and cities all across the
country Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. We saw police
cars being firebombed, and suddenly it changed the dynamics of
a Democrat primary. So he was heading to be the nominee.
Maybe he was the nominee Africa. Forget the exact timeline,
but he was the nominee, and the realities of Democrat
(23:25):
primary politics meant suddenly it didn't just have to be
a woman, It had to be an African American woman.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yep. And he was suddenly stuck.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
So if you look at the category of senators or
governors who are African American women, there was precisely one
Kamala Harris. He could choose others. He chosen their couple
of House members that he could have chosen. There are
a couple of mayors that he could have chosen, But
Joe Biden is a man of the Senate. He spent
(23:56):
forty years in the Senate. I think it was just
Biden was incapable of picking what he would view as
a lowly house member, a lowly mayor. It just did
that was not in his range. And he suddenly was
backed into it must be a woman. And because of
George Floyd, now it must be an African American woman.
And there was one only one choice, and that was
(24:16):
Kamala Harris and boom he named Kamala. But I think
Biden to this day can't stand her, and I think
she to this day can't stand him. Yeah and so
and and by the way she she was fully.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He really couldn't stand her from the very beginning. Apparently
from internal reporting, she did not want Joe Biden to
pick her, didn't like her, didn't trust her, didn't want
her to be the VP.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But he trapped her, like what other choice did he
have when he said it was going to be a woman.
Do you agree with me that as a matter of
Democrat politics after George Floyd, it had to be an
African American.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, I think they panned her so much in
their world. Yes, and I think, like you said, it
had to be a woman. And if you look at
that list, who's on that list is at that level.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And yeah, and also.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
It's literally a set of It's literally a set of one.
What he could have picked Karen bass now, the mayor
of Los Angeles, who was this you know, Marxist, Fidel
Castro loving house member, like like Biden was not going
to do that. Yeah, and and and so he was stuck.
But but and let's be clear, when Biden cratered, So
(25:29):
for most of the Biden presidency, the president froze kamalad everything.
They couldn't stand her. She was screwing up, she she
was losing staff, she she every time she did an interview,
she messed it up. And so they just frozed her out.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And so then.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
When Biden had his disastrous debate with Trump, look it
was Kamala who was quite eager. She let others actually
plunge the knife in. It was Nancy Pelosi and Chuck
Schumer and others that that finish the job of a
tube brute and stabbed Biden in the back and took
him out. Although to be clear, and longtime listeners a
(26:08):
verdict will remember this. Ben, You and I did a
special podcast the night of that debate, YEP, where we
predicted that night we said, this show will go down
as the most consequential debate in presidential history. Why because
this debate changed the names that will be on the
ballot in November, and we predicted that night within an
(26:30):
hour of the debate, Joe Biden will not be on
the ballot November because of this debate. By the way,
we'd been predicting for a year that the Democrats would
pull Biden, and a bunch of the corporate media had
been mocking us, and to be clear, me in particular
for saying that, And of course that prediction proved right.
(26:50):
But Kamala, the bad blood between them is real and
it's significant, So she's evening a score there. But it
is amazing how she can readily admit she excluded Shapiro
because he's Jewish and Buddhagic because he's gay, and yet
(27:12):
she can nonetheless feel self righteous that theirs is the
party of inclusion and it's the Republicans that are intolerant
and hateful, and it's just it just falls all right.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I want to pivot real quick to something that just
truly is hysterical, and that is ABC News. We thought
they had actually done the right thing, and we're willing
to say that it Yet, No, Jimmy Kimmel, you're not
going to go out there and lie about who assassinated
and what they believed in of Charlie Kirk. We now
(27:46):
know that the sin for doing that, for that crime
is a sentence of going on a vacation for about
six days, so less than a week. And ABC News like,
all right, we started back up on Tuesday night. Now here,
here's the other instant thing. Not everybody's going along with this.
Next star in Sinclair are saying no, they're not going
(28:07):
to be hearing it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They want and a real.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Apology for him before they think about putting him back
on the air.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Your reaction to.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That, well, you and I are recording this show Tuesday night,
and as we're recording it, Kimmel has not yet gone
on air, So I don't know what he's going to say.
He might do all sorts of things. He might stand
up and give a heartfelt apology. He might admit that
(28:35):
in his last show he told a lie. He engaged
in active disinformation. His sort of joke, which wasn't remotely funny,
was that the murderer of Charlie Kirk was a right
wing maga guy. Now that's a lie, and it's a
(28:55):
lie with consequence. I mean, we've seen the polling that
shows a majority of Democrats believe Charlie Kirk's killer was
a right winger. Now that is a brazen lie. Charlie
Kirk's killer was radicalized. He was a leftist. Law enforcement
has said this over and over again. He was living
with his boyfriend who was a transgender, who was a furry,
(29:16):
who was a man transitioning to be a woman. The
killer engraved Antifa and transgender slogans on the casings that
he used for the assassination. So there's no ambiguity. This
is a man of the left. And so maybe, maybe,
just maybe, and I may be holding out hope. Kimmel
(29:37):
stands up and gives a heartfelt apology, says I'm sorry,
and what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrific. It was
a political assassination. It is wrong, and it's clear this
was not some right winger who did this. This was
a leftist this is my side of the aisle. This
is Jimmy Kimmel speaking, and I'm sorry. If that happens,
(29:57):
I think the odds are very very high. You and I,
almost regardless of what happens, are going to be talking
about this on Friday's pod.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So on Friday will know what he said. We don't
know what he said right now.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I think that's unlikely. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but
I think it's unlikely that Kimmel. He may give a
half hearted apology. He may say I'm sorry some people
were offended. Maybe I actually think he's more likely to
be defiant and say, to hell with you everyone who
was offended by the lies that I told. But we'll
see what I will say. Look my view on Kimmel,
(30:34):
I think he is profoundly unfunny. He hasn't been funny
in years. There was a long time ago when he
could be a comedian, a thousand years ago, but then
partisanship and hate overcame him, and his show consists of
just relentlessly screaming I hate Donald Trump. I hate Donald Trump,
I hate Conservatives, I hate Republicans. By the way, frequently
(30:58):
I hate Ted Cruz. Ever since I beat him at basketball.
I've lived rent free in his head.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And the problem is, listen, I'm as a Republican, I'm
actually fine with comedy that is roasting Republicans and Democrats.
I think good comedy makes fun of everyone. Actually, today
I retweeted so so so John Stewart did a whole
riff on The Daily Show blasting me, and it was
(31:27):
funny as hell. He actually played a clip from our
last verdict, uh where.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know where where I.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Talked about Kim Elenna and I did an impression of
of of of a godfather. Actually, I'll tell you what.
Let's play John Stewart, because this is actually comedy.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't agree with John Stewart's politics, but Stuart is
actually funny. I mean he makes me laugh and and
and and so let's play the clip. I'm gonna play clip.
This is making fun of me, but to all our
our vertical listeners, this is me playing John Stewart, just
mocking me, and he does a very good job. He's
a talented comedian. I'm perfectly fine with comedians who mock me,
(32:09):
as long as that's not all they do, as long
as they don't just scream.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I hate you.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I hate you, I hate you, but they're actually funny.
So here was John Stewart on the Daily Show talking
about he's going to quote verdict and then he's just
going to mercilessly mock me.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Give a listen.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Now, Cruz has supported this president through insults to his
own wife's looks and to his own father's loyalties, and
yet Cruz still manages to maintain a modicum of self
respect when it comes to this president trampling all over
a constitution, Sir, it brings me no pleasure.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
To have to play this. Look. I like Brendan Carr.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
He's a good guy. He's the chairman of the FCC.
I work closely with him. But what he said there
is dangerous as hell.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Fantastic, fantastic, Senator Ted Druz boldly stating that the FCC
chairman threatening the licenses of networks is dangerous, and Senator Cruz,
I would just say, maybe you should stop there.
Speaker 10 (33:16):
I would stop there. I would not continue with the
thought perfect no notes, all right, go on.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And I gotta say he threatens it. He says we
can do this the easy way, but we could do
this the hard way.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
The fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Sort of rerep the hard way. Oh, what kind of monster.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
Have you ever heard?
Speaker 11 (33:51):
We can do it DoD Way, We could do it
day bright, DoD Way, easy odd.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
That's not the Godfather that Lenny from Mice and Men.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
I get bunny. Your bunny can do a daisydd Way.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
You got more, Senator, don't you?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And I got to say, that's right out of good Fellows?
That that that that's right out of a mafioso coming
into a bar going nice bye.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You have here. It'd be a shame if something happened
to him.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's not a good Fellaw's quote.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
I know this because all of my decorative.
Speaker 11 (34:40):
Pillows have good Fellaw's quot karma.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, I would go home.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I would say, that's me at home.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Look at me, not Senator.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
A lesser man might tell you to go home and
get your shine.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Box, but I don't because you wouldn't even know what
that needs dead cruise.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
I mean to do that with Goodfellas, with that accent.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Is there anything in pop culture that I love that
you can't ruin?
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm a vegetarian.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
I don't eat animals.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But Lisa, animals are so delicious.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
There's the animal we get bacon from the animal, we
get a ham from the animal, we get sausage from dad.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's all the same animal.
Speaker 12 (35:26):
Smithers, release the hounds eggs.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
They're not booing, they're saying boo earns. Imagine having to
endure a Texas power outage with this guy who wants
to hear my apoo anyone. Well, they ruined my love
of the sentence. At least I've still got my favorite franchise,
(36:00):
Star Wars, all to myself, So I don't have The.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Force is strong with this word. There is no try do.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Or do not.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
At best, he sounds like Yoda with a sinus infection,
trying not to come.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Your duke.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
You may enjoy Star Wars at Chris, but there's one
thing will never have in common, and that's my comfort movie.
The Princess Briane, a fantastical tale of adventure and true
love with an outstanding cast and oh you.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Know what's coming? You know what's coming with.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
An outstanding cast, including the inimitable Oh just roll it.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Why is it you have so worth living for?
Speaker 12 (37:02):
He presses on his chest and Wesley goes true, Long.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Shut up, witch, I'm not a witch.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
I'm your wife.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But after what you just said, I wish I wasn't.
Don't say that name what humping hopping, humpet it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I can't hear you, So.
Speaker 11 (37:17):
WHOA, that was a strange I'm like, oh, the One
Man Show.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
Do you know how hard it is to make Mario
Lopez uncomfortable? Truly, Mario Lopez, the man who need I
remind you did this dance in a tank tee in
front of everyone at the Max.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
All Right, I gotta say I'm laughing a little bit
because it is pretty good road, so I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Look, Ben, that's hysterical. I do like to do impressions.
I'm not particularly great at him, but I have fun
and I like pop culture. But like, that's actual comedy.
Like I'm going to make a prediction right now. What
John Stewart just did there is one hundred thousand times
funnier than whatever Jimmy Kimmel will do tonight. So we'll
(38:21):
see what he does. But look, the point that I
made in this podcast is the federal government, the FCC,
should not be threatening the licenses of ABC in order
to force them to take someone off the air, even
someone incredibly unfunny with terrible ratings, who gets one point
(38:42):
one million views, which means he gets fewer views and
listens than Verdict. Does we beat Jimmy Kimmel regularly and
someone who was actively lying about a political assassination. I
think all of those are reasons for ABC to fire him,
But I don't think the federal government should be forcing
(39:04):
ABC to fire him. Why because look, when Biden was president,
the Biden FCC tried to yank Fox News's license and
I led the fight against it. We beat them, we
stopped them from doing it. You know what, if we
embrace the FCC stripping licenses from anyone who says something
you disagree with, the next Democrat president who gets in
(39:26):
the White House will do this and will come after,
will come after everyone right of center, And so that
is that is a slippery slope to oblivion. But at
the same time, understand, just because I'm saying the federal
government shouldn't force Kimmel off the air, I think market
forces should. And it's interesting that that sixty six ABC
(39:50):
stations did not carry the Kimmel program tonight. And if
there are enough market forces, ABC ultimately will respond to them.
I think market forces are a great check for horrific, unfunny, partisan,
dishonest speech. And by the way, if you're dishonest enough,
there could also be legal liability and litigation and all
(40:11):
sorts of consequences that come when you lie on air.
I just don't think it should be government regulators saying
we don't agree with the politics of your speech, so
we're taking your license. But that being said, the world
is better off without an unfunny, dishonest left wing partisan
who lies to the American people. And sadly, there was
(40:34):
a time when Jimmy Kimmel could be funny, but that's
what he has become.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, great point.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
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