December 27, 2025 • 31 mins
1. Affordable Care Act (ACA) Subsidies and Alleged Fraud
- Democrats intentionally designed ACA subsidies to expire, framing it as a political strategy to secure votes during elections.
- The ACA was never truly affordable and alleges systemic fraud, waste, and abuse within the program, including:
- Insurance companies benefiting from guaranteed government payments.
- Fraudulent enrollments and improper subsidies (citing a Washington Post report and GAO findings).
- The financial burden of extending enhanced subsidies, estimating costs up to $350 billion through 2035, and criticizes subsidies reaching households earning $160,000 annually.
- the expiration of subsidies could lead to premium hikes (up to 114%) and increased uninsured rates, framing this as a political weapon for Democrats.
- The ACA was a step toward socialized medicine and accuses Democrats of collusion with healthcare donors.
2. Renaming and Revitalization of the Kennedy Center
- The second part is an interview with Rick Grenell about the transformation of the Kennedy Center under Donald Trump’s involvement.
- Key points include:
- Severe deferred maintenance before Trump’s intervention (leaking roofs, broken elevators, collapsing infrastructure).
- Trump allegedly secured $250 million for renovations and initiated fundraising for programming.
- The center was renamed the Trump Kennedy Center, sparking controversy and accusations of partisanship.
- Discussion of programming strategy: moving away from “woke” or niche content toward mainstream, “common sense” performances to attract corporate sponsors and donors.
- Criticism of Democrats for boycotting the center despite advocating for arts funding.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Senate is staring down healthcare in a major battle,
with Obamacare subsidies set to expire on purpose. Why are
they set to expire because Democrats designed it that way. Now,
you may ask yourself a question, why would they design
a program to expire on purpose? It's pretty simple. Democrats
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were playing politics. They wanted this to be a political
issue that if you don't vote for them, the Democratic Party,
that then you can't afford your Obamacare, also known as
the Affordable Care Act, which is anything but affordable. They
created a crisis out of thin air, a crisis so
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that then when the midterms came around, they could say,
you better stick with us, because otherwise you will lose
the healthcare that we told you we were going to
give you forever. It was a designed crisis. That's how
evil the Democratic Party was with health care, and specifically
with the subsidies around Obamacare. They also knew that Obamacare,
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the quote Affordable Care Act, was never going to be affordable.
They knew from the very beginning. But what's happened since
then is even worse. Democrats had figured out that their
best donors could be the health care industry, insurance companies, hospitals,
those that get paid with these guaranteed subsidies of Obamacare,
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and they would fill their campaign coffers with cash. Why
because the Democratic Party was filling their bank accounts with
guaranteed government payments at levels that even the insurance companies
could have never imagined. So here we are with a
crisis that was created by the Democrats on purpose, a
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crisis that was made for political reasons only and for
reelection camps. And now we're dealing with a fallout. Senate
negotiators are set for a high wire act this week
on healthcare, and this is all happening. Wow. Many of
them are leaving Washington for the holidays without a resolution
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on the expiring and hand subsidies, With lawmakers increasingly shifting
into campaign mode as the calendar flips to the new year,
it's an election year. The Chamber has been consumed for
months by a fight over the future of expiring Affordable
Care Act subsidies, which were at the center of that
record breaking government shutdown. It was the Schumer shutdown. We
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all know that, with the subject of multiple votes and
extensive negotiations in the week since, so that we don't
have another government shutdown, in the new year. Now, the
December thirty first deadline is set to come and go.
A Bi Parson group of lawmakers is trying to keep
those hopes alive that a deal could come together, but
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they're now facing numerous problems, chief among them bringing the
fraud that has now been exposed under control, as well
as the rhetoric from the left and those on the
right that say we should never have done this in
the first place. Quote, since the Obamacare passage, any conversation
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about anything on healthcare has been a big lift. That
is what Senator James Langfort, a Republican from Oklahoma, said, saying, quote,
everybody sees the problems, and at times my Democratic colleagues
will admit, okay, yeah, that's a problem, but trying to
vote on it has been tougher. So no matter what
we do tweaking this thing, it's going to be hard. Now.
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The Senate voted on two competing healthcare proposals on December
the eleventh. Both failed. Four Republicans even crossed the aisle
to vote in favor of a Democratic bill to extend
the subseas for three years, and centers on both sides
of the aisle have spent the days since trying to
pick up the pieces and find a new deal. Now
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there is a group now of nearly two dozen members
occupying various political lanes across each party, that is convened
with an eye towards, as they describe it, unveiling a
possible deal, with some even indicating that hopes of a
framework agreement could come by the end of the holiday
work period and could be in theory past next month.
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Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine, and then he would
say a Republican in name only, and Bernie Marino, a
Republican from Ohio. We're among the organizers of the big meeting. Now.
Their bill is calling for just a two year extension
of the Obamacare subsidies paired with conservative leaning reforms served
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as the basis of the discussion to get rid of
some of the waste, fraud, and abuse that Democrats do
not want to touch. Why because when there is fraud
in the health care industry, it goes directly to the
bottom line of the healthcare providers who are their biggest
donors of the candidates and the Democratic Party running in
these midterms. Now on Wednesday, and this went very much unreported.
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There was actually a group of House GOP centrists, so
they're not really hardcore conservative, they're not Maga Conservatives who
bucked their leadership of the Speaker Mike Johnson by signing
into a Democratic effort to force a vote on extending
the subsidies. Also met with a group of centers that
tried to chart a path to a deal that could
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pass in both chambers, because that's part of the problem.
If you get it down the Senate, you still have
to get it done in the House. Now. Democrats in
the Senate have also shied away from trying from tying,
i should say, the healthcare battle to the looming government
funding deadline at the end of January, giving talks a
major boost. Now when it adjourned without reaching a healthcare
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framework for Christmas, that is problematic. Democrats present the first
they described it bipartisan meeting last week. They knew that
people were leaving town, so it was pretty much meaningless
and it was a political stunt. And they said they
were initially encouraged, as they described it, by the discussions,
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but they indicated that complications made striking a deal increasingly
quote problematic. Quote There was a simple concept on the table.
When we walked in, it was within the range of reason,
but then it got more complicated. There was conceptionally might
be well okay, but maybe or might not. That's how
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Senator Tim Caine, the Democrat from Virginia, said, labeling the
meeting a quote productive discussion. He also said there was
quote complicators in the room now. Attendees said that they
expected future meetings, but whether they continued to push the
ball up the field and keep talking during the two
week holiday break remains an open question. Both sides also
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have political considerations that could scuttle discussions at any time.
And then you've got numerous Republicans that have signaled that
they have little to no appetite to vote for any
type of extension of the enhanced subsidies, no matter the
reforms that could make the package more palatable. Why it's
a campaign issue, There's a lot to think Obamacare is
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well a total lie, and it's filled with fraud, and
they're not going to keep paying for that level of fraud.
They have also indicated that language concerning the High Amendment,
which bars federal funds from going towards abortion and any
healthcare package, also remains a major sticking point. Democrats are
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also quick to note that Republicans have, as they described it,
continuously opposed the Affordable Care Act. Well, it's not affordable.
That's one reason to appose it. And the Minority Party
has indicated they plan to pen the blame because this
is really all about politics, not about helping you on
the GOP. For the premium hikes that millions of Americans
are set to experience in the lead up to the midterms. Now,
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let me be clear, if you have a massive hike
in the premiums going into the midterms, it will be
blamed on the Republicans because people don't pay attention. We
have a lot of idiots in this country that just
love free stuff. They don't realize how much that free
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stuff costs, because nothing is free in healthcare. So here
we are at a crossroads what Republicans do, and the
President of United States of America has got to figure
out a way to bring them all together. Now, before
we get to the end of the story here with
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Donald Trump and what he has to figure out and
really overcome, also think there's another aspect of this that
you need to understand, and that is this part how
broken it actually is. And this is why there are
Republicans that do not want to just in essence, auto
renew this thing, because the argument is, why would we
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reward waste, massive fraud and your tax dollar is going
to insurance companies that are literally, as I would describe it,
stealing from you. Let me give you some data that
you're not going to hear anywhere else, and you should
know this data. But you should also take this data
and take the podcast and share it so other people
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hear this. Not only is Obamacare or the I'm going
to probably call it more the Affordable Care Act because
it's so insane that that's what they actually called it,
the Affordable carect Like it's just lunacy. It is heavily subsidized.
This thing is being propped up by your tax dollars
at numbers you can't even get your head around. Now,
Donald Trump wants the money to go directly to you,
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so that then you can spend the money on healthcare
the way that you believe it should be done, so
that these insurance companies don't keep screwing us through all
the fraud and the fake accounts and the payments that
are going right, that's that's the number one thing, all right.
So let me give you some data here. Twenty four
point three million people selected right or were auto re
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enrolled in the marketplace coverage in twenty twenty five. Now
a big driver in the Advanced Premium Tax Credit known
as the APTC. The report notes that twelve point eight
million or more receive that subsidy in twenty twenty five
compared to twenty twenty. People are asking the question where
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do these twelve point eight million people come from? Now?
These enhanced subsidies are a massive budget item, all right,
and their expiration is a clip. The Enhanced Premium Tax Credit.
It was expanded under COVID, Right, it's no longer around.
COVID's not around like it was. It was all done
during the COVID era legislation and it was extended and
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they're scheduled to run out. They will expire at the
end of this year. That's why there is this like
the house is on fire moment. One major budget estimate,
by the way, says that permanently extending the enhanced substis
for COVID, which we don't have anymore. That's how broken
the affordable carec They need subties for COVID, even though
we're not dealing with COVID all right, could cost up
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to three hundred and fifty billion dollars through twenty thirty five.
That is insanity. And the analysts also note that well
over fifty billion of that cost flow two households above
five x the poverty level. Let me give you an example.
Some of these substies are going to families that make
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one hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year for a
family of four this year. Is that where we're and
this is how you get closer and closer to just
straight up socialized medicine. You subsidize people at one hundred
and sixty k with a family of four. They then
learn to just rely on it, depend on it, They
vote on it because they don't want to pay for
their healthcare because it's going through the taxes. And then
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you have this big grand divide and you get very
close to what I just described, which is socialized medicine.
And we're on the verge of that just being the reality,
which was the whole design of Obamacare. That's part of
what you really need to understand, Like this was all
a part of the design it was designed to fail
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so that the government would just take over the entire system. Now,
without the enhanced subsidies, the affordability math worsens really fast. Okay,
twenty twenty six premiums modeling finds that the marketplace premium
payments would rise by one hundred and fourteen percent on average,
meaning that fifty percent are above that level if the
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credits expired. That's about one thoy sixteen dollars a year.
So the Coressional Budget Office says, look, the expiration not
only would reduce substas in the enrollment, but it would
raise the uninsured rate, which then would be blamed they
believe on Donald Trump. That's why Democrats are willing to
play this game of Russian roulette. They also said that
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not only would that happen, but literally millions could lose
coverage because if Congress says nothing, then the money dries up,
and then they're like, why can't afford it? And then
the rates have gone through the roof because the rates
that the insurance companies are charging have skyrocketed since the
subseas came in, because they're like, well, we need to
get our hands on more of this money. So now
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you're actually paying a rate that is egregious, that is
unrealistic for the marketplace without the government subsidies. You following
me here, the insurance company said, hey, we can grab
billions of dollars. Let's keep raising the rates every year.
The government will pay the rate increase guaranteed. We'll also
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have a bunch of dead people that are enrolling and
people that have died that are still being enrolled in
a bunch of fraudulent enrollment. That's all a fact. We
know that as well. We are getting paid for people
that never use their insurance. We're getting paid for people
that don't even know they're actually enrolled in Obamacare, and
so they never come into the hospital. And we get
all that money without having to offer any coverage or
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actual service. And now you understand exactly why Democrats want
this to keep going, because the insurance companies have basically said,
we have a blank check for you. We will write
you a check for you to get elected and get
re elected, and we will write it for you forever
as long as you let us keep getting the billions
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of dollars in government aid. These insurance companies are not
running a business anymore. I want to be clear about that.
They're running a full blown, shady as hell, corrupt business
with a government check that keeps showing up. It's bribery.
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That's the best way I can describe it is it
is bribery. Let me give you another example. The programs
quote integrity and fraud vulnerabilities have been documented now for
the first time. How bad is it. I'm going to
quote for you the Liberal Washington Post. Okay, are you ready?
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This is the I'll say it again, the Liberal Washington Post.
The Washington Post reported at broker scheme has now been
tied to at least one hundred and eighty million and
in proper federal subsidies, alongside findings including a GOA test
showing weak verification controls in many cases. Now, this is
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just full blown fraud. How many people gone to jail
so far that we know of? I don't think any.
Usually when we find this level of fraud, what usually
happens we don't get any Okay, body that actually goes
to jail. This reminds me a lot of the housing
crisis and the fraud that we found out was going
on in the housing market, in the loan market, and
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what happened when there was the big crash in eight
One guy went to jail because all of these bankers
and all of these mortgage lenders that were in on
this scheme. This just massive level of corruption, of waste, fraud,
and abuse all got away with it. So is there
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any incentive to not do it again? No, there is
zero incentive to not do it again. This is what
President Trump is having to deal with. And the question
that he's going to have to ask is how much
money should go to subsidize them? Right, Like, there's two
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big buckets that are at the center of this subscy debate,
right the premium tax credits, the monthly subsidies, that's the
main affordability engine for the marketplace premiums, which if skyrocketed.
And then the enhancement sub subsy expansion, the temporary larger
credits that were done in the name of COVID that
is three hundred and fifty billion we're talking about right
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now through twenty thirty five. I'm going to say it again,
we can't afford this. We can't afford any of it.
So how do you pull back? Okay, how do you
pull back on this? That's the question that everybody needs
to ask, and how do you do it without losing
a midterm election is the bigger question on this. So
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Rick Gernell is a dear friend of mine. He is
an American diplomat. You know him as a service to
President Donald Trump and he served as an ambassador. He
is now doing something that's truly incredible, and that is
be the president the executive director of the Now Trump
and John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Rick,
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you and I were trading messages and I said, this
is the perfect time to have you on because many
people are gonna get to see an incredible night this
week on CBS from the Kennedy Center the Awards. It
happens once a year. It's a great night. The presidents there,
we get to honor Americans have done incredible things in
the arts. And there's been a controversy beforehand as Democrats
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are trying to undermine what the President has done with
the Kenney Center. And I thought, let's just tell the
story of just how bad things were at the Kenney Center,
all how much had been deferred in basic upkeep of
that building. Why the President said I'm going to be
on the board and have great board members and put
you to be in charge because he wanted to bring
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it back to greatness. And now they're all losing their
minds after we brought it back to greatness. But talk
about what you inherited before we even get to the
added name of Donald Trump on the building.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay, great, well, Ben, thanks for having me. First of all,
Tuesday night eight o'clock, you have to watch the Kennedy
Center Honors, which is now the Trump Kennedy Center. So
Tuesday at eight o'clock on CBS, it's going to be
an amazing show. Look, Ben, when President Trump asked me
to come in and help save the Kennedy Center, I
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arrived at the Kennedy Center at the time and we
had no money in the bank. We were paying staff
with debt reserves that we were saving up for a
bond payment. In twenty thirty we had ninety four people
in one department, the fundraising department, and it was truly bloated. Remember,
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the woman who had the job before me was getting
paid one point four million dollars a year, and yet
they couldn't keep up with the maintenance.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So four million a year, who, like, how does that
even happen?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's crazy. Look, Congress gives a little bit of money
around thirty five million, sometimes up to forty million a
year to maintain the building because it's a memorial to
John F. Kennedy. So there's two things that happened. There's
a huge staff that's paid through fundraising, and then there's
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a very small staff that just care takes the building
and the memorial part, and they get somewhere between thirty
five and forty million a year from Congress for that.
They were not using that money to keep the building up.
When I arrived, the roof was leaking, the pipes were
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bursting below. We constantly had floods. Most of the elevators
did not work. The water fountains out front did not work.
The seats were collapsing. We literally had infrastructure falling on cars.
When you drive underneath the Kennedy Center, the safetts and
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the concrete were falling on cars. The building people actually
suggested that we tear the building down and start over,
that the deferred maintenance was so bad for so long
that we should start over. So I brought President Trump
over as the great builder and took him through the
whole building. We went to the bottom of the building.
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We saw the pipes, we saw the infrastructure, and looked
at the roof, and he said, this is bad, but
it can be fixed. We don't have to tear the
building down. And by the time he left the Kennedy
Center and went driving back to the White House, he
had called multiple members of Congress to say, I want
two hundred and fifty million dollars to save the Kennedy Center. Now,
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look at that point, I think Democrats should have celebrated
a Republican trying to save an arts institution, but they did.
President Trump then launched the fundraising portion for staff and programming,
which you cannot use any of that two hundred and
fifty million for anything but the building. It would be
a moral to do that. It would be what the
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Democrats did of trying to take their little bit of
money that was supposed to be for the building and
not use it for the building. So we wanted to
commit to bringing the building back to a beautiful place.
We've already been doing that in the ten months that
I've been there. We now have more money being raised
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for programming, a huge amount of money for the building renovation.
We've started on the renovations We've already done a tonnel painting.
The water fountains are working, the elevators are working. We're
redoing the marble, redoing the seats, redoing all of the
things that should have been done. One of the things
that is crazy to me is that the Kennedy family,
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who is complaining now about the money being poured in
from Donald Trump, they're not thanking him. They're complaining that
a Republican has come in and is getting credit, and
the board is giving Donald Trump credit for all of this.
They were nowhere to be found. I don't want to
call anybody out specifically, but I can tell who's given
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money to the Kennedy Center, and it's not coming from
the Kennedy family. And so this outrage is unbelievable in
that they should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the
former Kennedy Center, and when the board says, let's make
it the Trump Kennedy Center because now it's bipartisan. Now
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it's a recognition that Republicans and Democrats should both be
making this a priority. They should celebrate this, they should
totally celebrate, but instead they're.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You mentioned bipartisan. That's the part. When I was on
TV the other night on CNN about this, like and
they're losing their minds. I just laugh because I'm like,
this is used to be The Kenny Center used to
be the hottest ticket in town. When I was there
at the Bush administration, it was. It was a hot ticket.
It slowly started to lose its luster. I mean, I
go back to Charlie Wilson's War if you've ever seen
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the movie true story, he just wanted to be on
the board of the Candy Center because he won the
tickets because it was such a hot item. And then
it had become an afterthought and forgotten. And that's part
of what you guys have done at the Kenny Center
is turned it into the hottest ticket in town. By
bringing in people that that people want to a go
and see. You're also having people that want to have
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their events at the venue, which is so important. It's
an incredible venue. It's right there on the on the river.
It's unbelievable to walk out on that balcony and just
c DC. It's an amazing a.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Truly, it's an underutilized space. Yes, underutilized, because look, one
thing to be clear, when when I arrived, the programming
was really bad. The ticket sales were in the tank.
Every single arts institution across this country is struggling with
ticket sales. As matter of fact, two months ago the
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New York Times, which I seldom quote, The New York
Times had a front page paper that said Broadway is dying.
Nobody's buying Broadway tickets. This is a phenomenon that's been
happening across arts institutions. But what they don't realize is
that the reason why arts institutions are struggling is because
the programming is so far left and woke that it
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doesn't capture the public's mind or corporate America, who should
be funding these things.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I do love, by the way, before you get back
to the ticket sales, Rick that they were like. The
question they asked me on CNN was, well, I mean,
what's next, You're going to put his name on the
Lincoln Memorial or the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument,
name of the Trump money. The level of Trump arrangement
syndrome over this is truly impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Look, my reaction when I get that is well, I
think the Jefferson and the Lincoln and the Washington have
been maintained and so nobody needs to save them.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's a that's a great point. So you get there
and were I want to go back to ticket sales.
That was one of the big problems. The building had
gone down, The ticket sales had gone down. You guys
inherited a disaster and deferred maintenance had never been done correct.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And look, arts institutions are struggling with ticket sales, every
single one across them the country, and it's because most
of the arts institutions push programming that corporate America and
donors don't want to participate in. And so what we
did is we said to corporate America and to our donors,
you're never going to be embarrassed by what we're bringing.
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It's going to be big, common sense programming we're bringing.
We brought in Stuttgart Ballet, We're bringing in the Vienna Philharmonic.
We've got Chicago the Musical coming, we had Ley miz
We're doing the big Commons programming. We do have a
problem in that the left and Democrats are boycotting it
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right now, which is unbelievable when you think about boycotting
an arts institution, because Republicans are putting money into it.
But we're not going to go backwards. We're not going
to go back to the days where we can't pay
our bills. And what I've decided to do is not
only look at ticket sales, because you can't pay for
programming with just ticket sales. We have nineteen unions at
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the Trump Kennedy Center, and that makes every programming extremely expensive.
And so what I say is, between donors, Corporate America
and ticket sales, you got to get me to revenue
neutral in order to do these programs because we can't
go in debt by doing these things. Now. I believe
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in arts education, and when we get a little bit
of money, we can do the niche programming that educates
people about the arts, new forms of art that they
haven't quite been accustomed to. But when you have niche programming,
then you get big donors who say, I believe in this,
and I'm going to write you a check.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right. That's my passion, right, that's my passion project. And
this is the saying is so important to me. I
want to write a check because I think this should
be expanded and introduced to others. And that's exactly again,
how you run an essence and nonprofit. You find people
that are passionate about it, which is something that I
had died at the Kenney Center with their funding.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You can't pay someone one point four million dollars who
then tries to come up with some crazy programming like
an all lesbian cast of a Fellow. You can't do
programming like that because Corporate America says they're not coming.
But since we've been there and we've promised corporate America
that it's big, common sense programming, we have seen fundraising
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shoot through the roof. Again. We still have Democrats who
say we're boycotting with ticket sales, but an arts reporter
that covers you know, arts programming in Washington, d C.
They've never ever done a story about plummeting ticket sales
ever until we came. And then suddenly they are saying, oh, well,
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ticket sales aren't doing well. Well, correct, but ticket sales
have been really dying, as the New York Times pointed out,
with Broadway and all arts institutions, they've been struggling. What
we have shown is that when you fix the programming,
corporate America comes with really big checks, and then financially
you can if you're responsible with staffing, you can do
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the big programming, and arts institutions can work. I think
this is an example. President Trump has given arts institutions
across the country an example be bipartisan fix the programming
so that you invite corporate America in and that is
how you're going to be able to have good theater
and good programming.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, let's talk about that quickly, the by person aspect
of this, because I do think that's the part that's
really incredible. You're bringing in amazing acts that are nonpartisan
acts and the Democrats are refusing to show it because
they want this to fail. The same people that demand
more money for the arts. This is the biggest stage
for the arts, and they're saying no all because a
Republican is the one doing it. If that isn't the
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definition of insanity and hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, I'll tell you one thing. This is a test
for Democrats because if they try and kill a bipartisan
arts institution like this by refusing to participate and refusing
to do ticket sales and refusing to do a long
term buying of tickets like through sponsorships, then they are
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going to send the message to Republicans, you're not welcome
at arts institutions. They then will when Democrats take over Washington,
whenever that may be, they are going to make it
far left end and disinvite the Republicans, and we will
be back to arts institutions that pay one point four
million dollars in a say salary, with bloated bureaucracy and
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then deferred maintenance problems. And look, when I arrived in
we have no money in the bank zero. Today we're
financially doing really well, and we're paying back all of
that debt reserve and all of the monies that we
digged in that we dug in and spent that we
shouldn't have been spending on Rick.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's an incredible success story. Congratulations. I look forward to
being at the Kennedy Center soon and what you guys
are doing is amazing and I can't wait take my
picture in front of a bipartisan sign with the last
name Trump and Kennedy on it. It's incredible, it really is.
And I hope everybody will grab this interview shared on
social media. You know the background now of the Trump
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Kennedy Center. Don't forget share this podcast wherever you can
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The Senate is staring down healthcare in a major battle,
with Obamacare subsidies set to expire on purpose. Why are
they set to expire because Democrats designed it that way. Now,
you may ask yourself a question, why would they design
a program to expire on purpose? It's pretty simple. Democrats
(00:25):
were playing politics. They wanted this to be a political
issue that if you don't vote for them, the Democratic Party,
that then you can't afford your Obamacare, also known as
the Affordable Care Act, which is anything but affordable. They
created a crisis out of thin air, a crisis so
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that then when the midterms came around, they could say,
you better stick with us, because otherwise you will lose
the healthcare that we told you we were going to
give you forever. It was a designed crisis. That's how
evil the Democratic Party was with health care, and specifically
with the subsidies around Obamacare. They also knew that Obamacare,
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the quote Affordable Care Act, was never going to be affordable.
They knew from the very beginning. But what's happened since
then is even worse. Democrats had figured out that their
best donors could be the health care industry, insurance companies, hospitals,
those that get paid with these guaranteed subsidies of Obamacare,
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and they would fill their campaign coffers with cash. Why
because the Democratic Party was filling their bank accounts with
guaranteed government payments at levels that even the insurance companies
could have never imagined. So here we are with a
crisis that was created by the Democrats on purpose, a
(01:54):
crisis that was made for political reasons only and for
reelection camps. And now we're dealing with a fallout. Senate
negotiators are set for a high wire act this week
on healthcare, and this is all happening. Wow. Many of
them are leaving Washington for the holidays without a resolution
(02:16):
on the expiring and hand subsidies, With lawmakers increasingly shifting
into campaign mode as the calendar flips to the new year,
it's an election year. The Chamber has been consumed for
months by a fight over the future of expiring Affordable
Care Act subsidies, which were at the center of that
record breaking government shutdown. It was the Schumer shutdown. We
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all know that, with the subject of multiple votes and
extensive negotiations in the week since, so that we don't
have another government shutdown, in the new year. Now, the
December thirty first deadline is set to come and go.
A Bi Parson group of lawmakers is trying to keep
those hopes alive that a deal could come together, but
(03:01):
they're now facing numerous problems, chief among them bringing the
fraud that has now been exposed under control, as well
as the rhetoric from the left and those on the
right that say we should never have done this in
the first place. Quote, since the Obamacare passage, any conversation
(03:23):
about anything on healthcare has been a big lift. That
is what Senator James Langfort, a Republican from Oklahoma, said, saying, quote,
everybody sees the problems, and at times my Democratic colleagues
will admit, okay, yeah, that's a problem, but trying to
vote on it has been tougher. So no matter what
we do tweaking this thing, it's going to be hard. Now.
(03:46):
The Senate voted on two competing healthcare proposals on December
the eleventh. Both failed. Four Republicans even crossed the aisle
to vote in favor of a Democratic bill to extend
the subseas for three years, and centers on both sides
of the aisle have spent the days since trying to
pick up the pieces and find a new deal. Now
(04:09):
there is a group now of nearly two dozen members
occupying various political lanes across each party, that is convened
with an eye towards, as they describe it, unveiling a
possible deal, with some even indicating that hopes of a
framework agreement could come by the end of the holiday
work period and could be in theory past next month.
(04:32):
Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine, and then he would
say a Republican in name only, and Bernie Marino, a
Republican from Ohio. We're among the organizers of the big meeting. Now.
Their bill is calling for just a two year extension
of the Obamacare subsidies paired with conservative leaning reforms served
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as the basis of the discussion to get rid of
some of the waste, fraud, and abuse that Democrats do
not want to touch. Why because when there is fraud
in the health care industry, it goes directly to the
bottom line of the healthcare providers who are their biggest
donors of the candidates and the Democratic Party running in
these midterms. Now on Wednesday, and this went very much unreported.
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There was actually a group of House GOP centrists, so
they're not really hardcore conservative, they're not Maga Conservatives who
bucked their leadership of the Speaker Mike Johnson by signing
into a Democratic effort to force a vote on extending
the subsidies. Also met with a group of centers that
tried to chart a path to a deal that could
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pass in both chambers, because that's part of the problem.
If you get it down the Senate, you still have
to get it done in the House. Now. Democrats in
the Senate have also shied away from trying from tying,
i should say, the healthcare battle to the looming government
funding deadline at the end of January, giving talks a
major boost. Now when it adjourned without reaching a healthcare
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framework for Christmas, that is problematic. Democrats present the first
they described it bipartisan meeting last week. They knew that
people were leaving town, so it was pretty much meaningless
and it was a political stunt. And they said they
were initially encouraged, as they described it, by the discussions,
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but they indicated that complications made striking a deal increasingly
quote problematic. Quote There was a simple concept on the table.
When we walked in, it was within the range of reason,
but then it got more complicated. There was conceptionally might
be well okay, but maybe or might not. That's how
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Senator Tim Caine, the Democrat from Virginia, said, labeling the
meeting a quote productive discussion. He also said there was
quote complicators in the room now. Attendees said that they
expected future meetings, but whether they continued to push the
ball up the field and keep talking during the two
week holiday break remains an open question. Both sides also
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have political considerations that could scuttle discussions at any time.
And then you've got numerous Republicans that have signaled that
they have little to no appetite to vote for any
type of extension of the enhanced subsidies, no matter the
reforms that could make the package more palatable. Why it's
a campaign issue, There's a lot to think Obamacare is
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well a total lie, and it's filled with fraud, and
they're not going to keep paying for that level of fraud.
They have also indicated that language concerning the High Amendment,
which bars federal funds from going towards abortion and any
healthcare package, also remains a major sticking point. Democrats are
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also quick to note that Republicans have, as they described it,
continuously opposed the Affordable Care Act. Well, it's not affordable.
That's one reason to appose it. And the Minority Party
has indicated they plan to pen the blame because this
is really all about politics, not about helping you on
the GOP. For the premium hikes that millions of Americans
are set to experience in the lead up to the midterms. Now,
(08:15):
let me be clear, if you have a massive hike
in the premiums going into the midterms, it will be
blamed on the Republicans because people don't pay attention. We
have a lot of idiots in this country that just
love free stuff. They don't realize how much that free
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stuff costs, because nothing is free in healthcare. So here
we are at a crossroads what Republicans do, and the
President of United States of America has got to figure
out a way to bring them all together. Now, before
we get to the end of the story here with
(08:55):
Donald Trump and what he has to figure out and
really overcome, also think there's another aspect of this that
you need to understand, and that is this part how
broken it actually is. And this is why there are
Republicans that do not want to just in essence, auto
renew this thing, because the argument is, why would we
(09:18):
reward waste, massive fraud and your tax dollar is going
to insurance companies that are literally, as I would describe it,
stealing from you. Let me give you some data that
you're not going to hear anywhere else, and you should
know this data. But you should also take this data
and take the podcast and share it so other people
(09:40):
hear this. Not only is Obamacare or the I'm going
to probably call it more the Affordable Care Act because
it's so insane that that's what they actually called it,
the Affordable carect Like it's just lunacy. It is heavily subsidized.
This thing is being propped up by your tax dollars
at numbers you can't even get your head around. Now,
Donald Trump wants the money to go directly to you,
(10:02):
so that then you can spend the money on healthcare
the way that you believe it should be done, so
that these insurance companies don't keep screwing us through all
the fraud and the fake accounts and the payments that
are going right, that's that's the number one thing, all right.
So let me give you some data here. Twenty four
point three million people selected right or were auto re
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enrolled in the marketplace coverage in twenty twenty five. Now
a big driver in the Advanced Premium Tax Credit known
as the APTC. The report notes that twelve point eight
million or more receive that subsidy in twenty twenty five
compared to twenty twenty. People are asking the question where
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do these twelve point eight million people come from? Now?
These enhanced subsidies are a massive budget item, all right,
and their expiration is a clip. The Enhanced Premium Tax Credit.
It was expanded under COVID, Right, it's no longer around.
COVID's not around like it was. It was all done
during the COVID era legislation and it was extended and
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they're scheduled to run out. They will expire at the
end of this year. That's why there is this like
the house is on fire moment. One major budget estimate,
by the way, says that permanently extending the enhanced substis
for COVID, which we don't have anymore. That's how broken
the affordable carec They need subties for COVID, even though
we're not dealing with COVID all right, could cost up
(11:34):
to three hundred and fifty billion dollars through twenty thirty five.
That is insanity. And the analysts also note that well
over fifty billion of that cost flow two households above
five x the poverty level. Let me give you an example.
Some of these substies are going to families that make
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one hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year for a
family of four this year. Is that where we're and
this is how you get closer and closer to just
straight up socialized medicine. You subsidize people at one hundred
and sixty k with a family of four. They then
learn to just rely on it, depend on it, They
vote on it because they don't want to pay for
their healthcare because it's going through the taxes. And then
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you have this big grand divide and you get very
close to what I just described, which is socialized medicine.
And we're on the verge of that just being the reality,
which was the whole design of Obamacare. That's part of
what you really need to understand, Like this was all
a part of the design it was designed to fail
(12:36):
so that the government would just take over the entire system. Now,
without the enhanced subsidies, the affordability math worsens really fast. Okay,
twenty twenty six premiums modeling finds that the marketplace premium
payments would rise by one hundred and fourteen percent on average,
meaning that fifty percent are above that level if the
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credits expired. That's about one thoy sixteen dollars a year.
So the Coressional Budget Office says, look, the expiration not
only would reduce substas in the enrollment, but it would
raise the uninsured rate, which then would be blamed they
believe on Donald Trump. That's why Democrats are willing to
play this game of Russian roulette. They also said that
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not only would that happen, but literally millions could lose
coverage because if Congress says nothing, then the money dries up,
and then they're like, why can't afford it? And then
the rates have gone through the roof because the rates
that the insurance companies are charging have skyrocketed since the
subseas came in, because they're like, well, we need to
get our hands on more of this money. So now
(13:43):
you're actually paying a rate that is egregious, that is
unrealistic for the marketplace without the government subsidies. You following
me here, the insurance company said, hey, we can grab
billions of dollars. Let's keep raising the rates every year.
The government will pay the rate increase guaranteed. We'll also
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have a bunch of dead people that are enrolling and
people that have died that are still being enrolled in
a bunch of fraudulent enrollment. That's all a fact. We
know that as well. We are getting paid for people
that never use their insurance. We're getting paid for people
that don't even know they're actually enrolled in Obamacare, and
so they never come into the hospital. And we get
all that money without having to offer any coverage or
(14:29):
actual service. And now you understand exactly why Democrats want
this to keep going, because the insurance companies have basically said,
we have a blank check for you. We will write
you a check for you to get elected and get
re elected, and we will write it for you forever
as long as you let us keep getting the billions
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of dollars in government aid. These insurance companies are not
running a business anymore. I want to be clear about that.
They're running a full blown, shady as hell, corrupt business
with a government check that keeps showing up. It's bribery.
(15:13):
That's the best way I can describe it is it
is bribery. Let me give you another example. The programs
quote integrity and fraud vulnerabilities have been documented now for
the first time. How bad is it. I'm going to
quote for you the Liberal Washington Post. Okay, are you ready?
(15:35):
This is the I'll say it again, the Liberal Washington Post.
The Washington Post reported at broker scheme has now been
tied to at least one hundred and eighty million and
in proper federal subsidies, alongside findings including a GOA test
showing weak verification controls in many cases. Now, this is
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just full blown fraud. How many people gone to jail
so far that we know of? I don't think any.
Usually when we find this level of fraud, what usually
happens we don't get any Okay, body that actually goes
to jail. This reminds me a lot of the housing
crisis and the fraud that we found out was going
on in the housing market, in the loan market, and
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what happened when there was the big crash in eight
One guy went to jail because all of these bankers
and all of these mortgage lenders that were in on
this scheme. This just massive level of corruption, of waste, fraud,
and abuse all got away with it. So is there
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any incentive to not do it again? No, there is
zero incentive to not do it again. This is what
President Trump is having to deal with. And the question
that he's going to have to ask is how much
money should go to subsidize them? Right, Like, there's two
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big buckets that are at the center of this subscy debate,
right the premium tax credits, the monthly subsidies, that's the
main affordability engine for the marketplace premiums, which if skyrocketed.
And then the enhancement sub subsy expansion, the temporary larger
credits that were done in the name of COVID that
is three hundred and fifty billion we're talking about right
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now through twenty thirty five. I'm going to say it again,
we can't afford this. We can't afford any of it.
So how do you pull back? Okay, how do you
pull back on this? That's the question that everybody needs
to ask, and how do you do it without losing
a midterm election is the bigger question on this. So
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Rick Gernell is a dear friend of mine. He is
an American diplomat. You know him as a service to
President Donald Trump and he served as an ambassador. He
is now doing something that's truly incredible, and that is
be the president the executive director of the Now Trump
and John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Rick,
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you and I were trading messages and I said, this
is the perfect time to have you on because many
people are gonna get to see an incredible night this
week on CBS from the Kennedy Center the Awards. It
happens once a year. It's a great night. The presidents there,
we get to honor Americans have done incredible things in
the arts. And there's been a controversy beforehand as Democrats
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are trying to undermine what the President has done with
the Kenney Center. And I thought, let's just tell the
story of just how bad things were at the Kenney Center,
all how much had been deferred in basic upkeep of
that building. Why the President said I'm going to be
on the board and have great board members and put
you to be in charge because he wanted to bring
(18:57):
it back to greatness. And now they're all losing their
minds after we brought it back to greatness. But talk
about what you inherited before we even get to the
added name of Donald Trump on the building.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay, great, well, Ben, thanks for having me. First of all,
Tuesday night eight o'clock, you have to watch the Kennedy
Center Honors, which is now the Trump Kennedy Center. So
Tuesday at eight o'clock on CBS, it's going to be
an amazing show. Look, Ben, when President Trump asked me
to come in and help save the Kennedy Center, I
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arrived at the Kennedy Center at the time and we
had no money in the bank. We were paying staff
with debt reserves that we were saving up for a
bond payment. In twenty thirty we had ninety four people
in one department, the fundraising department, and it was truly bloated. Remember,
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the woman who had the job before me was getting
paid one point four million dollars a year, and yet
they couldn't keep up with the maintenance.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So four million a year, who, like, how does that
even happen?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's crazy. Look, Congress gives a little bit of money
around thirty five million, sometimes up to forty million a
year to maintain the building because it's a memorial to
John F. Kennedy. So there's two things that happened. There's
a huge staff that's paid through fundraising, and then there's
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a very small staff that just care takes the building
and the memorial part, and they get somewhere between thirty
five and forty million a year from Congress for that.
They were not using that money to keep the building up.
When I arrived, the roof was leaking, the pipes were
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bursting below. We constantly had floods. Most of the elevators
did not work. The water fountains out front did not work.
The seats were collapsing. We literally had infrastructure falling on cars.
When you drive underneath the Kennedy Center, the safetts and
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the concrete were falling on cars. The building people actually
suggested that we tear the building down and start over,
that the deferred maintenance was so bad for so long
that we should start over. So I brought President Trump
over as the great builder and took him through the
whole building. We went to the bottom of the building.
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We saw the pipes, we saw the infrastructure, and looked
at the roof, and he said, this is bad, but
it can be fixed. We don't have to tear the
building down. And by the time he left the Kennedy
Center and went driving back to the White House, he
had called multiple members of Congress to say, I want
two hundred and fifty million dollars to save the Kennedy Center. Now,
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look at that point, I think Democrats should have celebrated
a Republican trying to save an arts institution, but they did.
President Trump then launched the fundraising portion for staff and programming,
which you cannot use any of that two hundred and
fifty million for anything but the building. It would be
a moral to do that. It would be what the
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Democrats did of trying to take their little bit of
money that was supposed to be for the building and
not use it for the building. So we wanted to
commit to bringing the building back to a beautiful place.
We've already been doing that in the ten months that
I've been there. We now have more money being raised
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for programming, a huge amount of money for the building renovation.
We've started on the renovations We've already done a tonnel painting.
The water fountains are working, the elevators are working. We're
redoing the marble, redoing the seats, redoing all of the
things that should have been done. One of the things
that is crazy to me is that the Kennedy family,
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who is complaining now about the money being poured in
from Donald Trump, they're not thanking him. They're complaining that
a Republican has come in and is getting credit, and
the board is giving Donald Trump credit for all of this.
They were nowhere to be found. I don't want to
call anybody out specifically, but I can tell who's given
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money to the Kennedy Center, and it's not coming from
the Kennedy family. And so this outrage is unbelievable in
that they should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the
former Kennedy Center, and when the board says, let's make
it the Trump Kennedy Center because now it's bipartisan. Now
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it's a recognition that Republicans and Democrats should both be
making this a priority. They should celebrate this, they should
totally celebrate, but instead they're.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You mentioned bipartisan. That's the part. When I was on
TV the other night on CNN about this, like and
they're losing their minds. I just laugh because I'm like,
this is used to be The Kenny Center used to
be the hottest ticket in town. When I was there
at the Bush administration, it was. It was a hot ticket.
It slowly started to lose its luster. I mean, I
go back to Charlie Wilson's War if you've ever seen
(24:13):
the movie true story, he just wanted to be on
the board of the Candy Center because he won the
tickets because it was such a hot item. And then
it had become an afterthought and forgotten. And that's part
of what you guys have done at the Kenny Center
is turned it into the hottest ticket in town. By
bringing in people that that people want to a go
and see. You're also having people that want to have
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their events at the venue, which is so important. It's
an incredible venue. It's right there on the on the river.
It's unbelievable to walk out on that balcony and just
c DC. It's an amazing a.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Truly, it's an underutilized space. Yes, underutilized, because look, one
thing to be clear, when when I arrived, the programming
was really bad. The ticket sales were in the tank.
Every single arts institution across this country is struggling with
ticket sales. As matter of fact, two months ago the
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New York Times, which I seldom quote, The New York
Times had a front page paper that said Broadway is dying.
Nobody's buying Broadway tickets. This is a phenomenon that's been
happening across arts institutions. But what they don't realize is
that the reason why arts institutions are struggling is because
the programming is so far left and woke that it
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doesn't capture the public's mind or corporate America, who should
be funding these things.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I do love, by the way, before you get back
to the ticket sales, Rick that they were like. The
question they asked me on CNN was, well, I mean,
what's next, You're going to put his name on the
Lincoln Memorial or the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument,
name of the Trump money. The level of Trump arrangement
syndrome over this is truly impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Look, my reaction when I get that is well, I
think the Jefferson and the Lincoln and the Washington have
been maintained and so nobody needs to save them.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's a that's a great point. So you get there
and were I want to go back to ticket sales.
That was one of the big problems. The building had
gone down, The ticket sales had gone down. You guys
inherited a disaster and deferred maintenance had never been done correct.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And look, arts institutions are struggling with ticket sales, every
single one across them the country, and it's because most
of the arts institutions push programming that corporate America and
donors don't want to participate in. And so what we
did is we said to corporate America and to our donors,
you're never going to be embarrassed by what we're bringing.
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It's going to be big, common sense programming we're bringing.
We brought in Stuttgart Ballet, We're bringing in the Vienna Philharmonic.
We've got Chicago the Musical coming, we had Ley miz
We're doing the big Commons programming. We do have a
problem in that the left and Democrats are boycotting it
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right now, which is unbelievable when you think about boycotting
an arts institution, because Republicans are putting money into it.
But we're not going to go backwards. We're not going
to go back to the days where we can't pay
our bills. And what I've decided to do is not
only look at ticket sales, because you can't pay for
programming with just ticket sales. We have nineteen unions at
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the Trump Kennedy Center, and that makes every programming extremely expensive.
And so what I say is, between donors, Corporate America
and ticket sales, you got to get me to revenue
neutral in order to do these programs because we can't
go in debt by doing these things. Now. I believe
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in arts education, and when we get a little bit
of money, we can do the niche programming that educates
people about the arts, new forms of art that they
haven't quite been accustomed to. But when you have niche programming,
then you get big donors who say, I believe in this,
and I'm going to write you a check.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right. That's my passion, right, that's my passion project. And
this is the saying is so important to me. I
want to write a check because I think this should
be expanded and introduced to others. And that's exactly again,
how you run an essence and nonprofit. You find people
that are passionate about it, which is something that I
had died at the Kenney Center with their funding.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You can't pay someone one point four million dollars who
then tries to come up with some crazy programming like
an all lesbian cast of a Fellow. You can't do
programming like that because Corporate America says they're not coming.
But since we've been there and we've promised corporate America
that it's big, common sense programming, we have seen fundraising
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shoot through the roof. Again. We still have Democrats who
say we're boycotting with ticket sales, but an arts reporter
that covers you know, arts programming in Washington, d C.
They've never ever done a story about plummeting ticket sales
ever until we came. And then suddenly they are saying, oh, well,
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ticket sales aren't doing well. Well, correct, but ticket sales
have been really dying, as the New York Times pointed out,
with Broadway and all arts institutions, they've been struggling. What
we have shown is that when you fix the programming,
corporate America comes with really big checks, and then financially
you can if you're responsible with staffing, you can do
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the big programming, and arts institutions can work. I think
this is an example. President Trump has given arts institutions
across the country an example be bipartisan fix the programming
so that you invite corporate America in and that is
how you're going to be able to have good theater
and good programming.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, let's talk about that quickly, the by person aspect
of this, because I do think that's the part that's
really incredible. You're bringing in amazing acts that are nonpartisan
acts and the Democrats are refusing to show it because
they want this to fail. The same people that demand
more money for the arts. This is the biggest stage
for the arts, and they're saying no all because a
Republican is the one doing it. If that isn't the
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definition of insanity and hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, I'll tell you one thing. This is a test
for Democrats because if they try and kill a bipartisan
arts institution like this by refusing to participate and refusing
to do ticket sales and refusing to do a long
term buying of tickets like through sponsorships, then they are
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going to send the message to Republicans, you're not welcome
at arts institutions. They then will when Democrats take over Washington,
whenever that may be, they are going to make it
far left end and disinvite the Republicans, and we will
be back to arts institutions that pay one point four
million dollars in a say salary, with bloated bureaucracy and
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then deferred maintenance problems. And look, when I arrived in
we have no money in the bank zero. Today we're
financially doing really well, and we're paying back all of
that debt reserve and all of the monies that we
digged in that we dug in and spent that we
shouldn't have been spending on Rick.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's an incredible success story. Congratulations. I look forward to
being at the Kennedy Center soon and what you guys
are doing is amazing and I can't wait take my
picture in front of a bipartisan sign with the last
name Trump and Kennedy on it. It's incredible, it really is.
And I hope everybody will grab this interview shared on
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