October 15, 2025 • 30 mins
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Political Discussion – “Schumer Shutdown”:
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Ferguson argues that Democrats, led by Senator Chuck Schumer, are responsible for keeping the government closed.
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They portray Republicans as trying to reopen the government, while Democrats allegedly refuse.
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President Trump is praised for redirecting Defense Department funds to pay service members during the shutdown — presented as undermining Democrats’ political strategy.
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Democrats want taxpayer-funded health care for undocumented immigrants and are motivated by political self-preservation rather than governance.
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We describe the hardship for unpaid federal workers.
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The conversation emphasizes that Democrats’ alleged political games are causing unnecessary suffering.
They assert the shutdown will last until after the “No Kings Rally,” described as a left-wing anti-Trump protest in D.C.
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Tribute Segment – Charlie Kirk’s Memorial:
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The second half of the podcast focuses on Charlie Kirk’s posthumous Medal of Freedom ceremony.
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Ben recounts the event in emotional, spiritual terms, highlighting Erica Kirk’s (his widow’s) public forgiveness of Kirk’s killer.
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He frames this as a Christian act of grace and gospel testimony.
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The conversation portrays Kirk as a “martyr for truth and freedom,” comparing him to historical figures like Socrates, Lincoln, and Martin Luther King Jr.
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President Trump’s remarks are quoted extensively, celebrating Kirk as a visionary and moral hero.
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The discussion closes with reflection on Kirk’s influence on youth, his faith, and his perceived role as a symbol of conservative moral strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I tell you what. The government shut down fiasco is
just total insanity right now, and Democrats are now having
insane demands to reopen the government. Some of them include,
and this is not a joke, a three point nine
million dollar demand for the lgbtqiplus democracy grants in the
(00:24):
Western Balkans. I wish I was joking. The Speaker of
the House, Mike Johnson laying out now why your government
is shut down and what Democrats are demanding you pay
for with your tax dollars to reopen the government. Listen
to This would send a.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Half a billion dollars to liberal news outlets by refunding
the Corporation for public broadcasting. It would also restore up
to five billion dollars of American taxpayer funds for wasteful
spending for international projects. Here's a couple of examples. This
is in their legislation, their counterproposal on the sere to
keep the lights open. This is what they want to do.
(01:05):
They want to spend twenty four point six million of
your hard earned dollars as a taxpayer for climate resilience
in Honduras. They want to spend thirteen point four million
for civic engagement in Zimbabwe they want to send three
point nine million for LGBTQI plus democracy grants, and the
Western Balkans they want to spend two point nine million
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of your dollars for desert locust risk reduction in the
Horn of Africa and two million for quote organizing for
feminist democratic principles in Africa. We are not doing.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That, Speaker Johnson saying it clearly, we are not doing that. Now.
The government shut down is also happening because there is
a date coming up. It is the No Kings Rally
in Washington, d C. It is three four days away
from now, and it's very clear that Democrats are actually
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being held hostage by the most radicals in their party.
Democrats must be a part of this No King's rally.
It's an organized rally to say that Donald Trump is
an evil dictator, tyrant king. And it's something that's being
paid for by the richest and the radical left, the
billionaires of their party. And so this is the reality
(02:22):
of the situation right now. Democrats are going to hold
this country hostage at least for the next four or
five days. Then they may come to the table to
talk with Republicans, but they're not allowed to negotiate before
the extremist rally they're going to have in the nation's capital.
(02:43):
And they're also making these extreme demands which I just
mentioned and you heard from Speaker Johnson. So if you
were hoping today when you woke up that you were
going to find out the government was going to be working,
well it's not because Democrats are refusing to lead. Instead,
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they're going to hold you hostage and the American workers
and our government workers, including our men and women in
the military. There's also another aspect of this, and it's
even more shocking. Donald Trump figured out a way to
make sure that those that serve our country in uniform,
our men and women in our military, would get their
paychecks this morning on the fifteenth, and not miss that
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pay period. What's shocking is just how angry Democrats are
that Donald Trump said We're not going to play politics
with our men and women in uniform. They are furious
at the present for doing this. In fact, they've even
threatened to use legal action and every other power they
have to stop our men and women in uniform from
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getting a paycheck, Which brings me to another conversation that
I had moments ago with Senator Ted Krue. Senator Cruz
and I not only talked about the government shutdown, but
we also talked about what happened at the White House
today in the Rose Garden. You had the President of
the United States of America giving the highest civilian honor
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to Charlie Kirk, to his widow, to his mother and
father who were there, with almost every cabinet secretary in attendance,
and some of the most powerful people in our government.
It is shocking that it's been a month since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, but his legacy has only grown
over the last month. And the number of people whose
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lives have been affected in a positive way by Charlie
Kirk and his words that they've watched and listened to
online has only grown significantly in the last thirty days.
His legacy is incredible, and I want you to hear
my conversation with Senata Cruz about both of these issues.
(04:57):
All right, Senator, so let's just talk about like where
we are to give the updates. This is something I
think it's important for us to do when it comes
to shut down what is happening now in Washington, And
I got a feeling you're gonna be like nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, look it's October fifteenth. So one of the consequences
is federal workers all across the federal government had their
paycheck not direct deposited. And so for a lot of
workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, it means they're
not getting the check that they were planning on to
pay their bills. They're not getting the check they're planning
on to go to the grocery store. They're not getting
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the check they're planning on to pay healthcare expenses, tuition expenses,
all daycare expenses, all of the day to day expenses.
It was also scheduled to be the day on which
our troops, our soldiers, our sailors, our airmenham marines would
not get paid either. And we've seen online images of
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young soldiers standing in line at food pantries to get food.
You know, many of our young, particular enlisted men and
women are living on very limited budgets and not getting
a paycheck is a real hardship for them. Now, I
will say the latter has not happened because President Trump
has done something that I don't think has ever happened
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in a previous shutdown, which which is he has readjusted
money that was going to other expenses within the Department
of War. He's shifted it around to an account to
pay our servicemen and women. I'm grateful that he did so.
It really is quite striking that the Democrats, multiple Democrats,
are expressing dismay, how dare you pay our servicemen and women?
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But on Tuesday, On Tuesday, the Senate came back in
town and we voted. We voted for the ninth time,
Republicans voted to reopen the government. I voted to reopen
the government. We're ready to reopen it. And the Democrats
came in almost party line, all but a couple of
Democrats voted no, no, no, keep the government down. And
(06:56):
by the way, Schumer recently said it was quote better
for Democrats to extend the government shutdown. Now, I got
to say that's a cynical statement. They're counting on the
media to be dishonest about what's going on. But listen,
the end of this is it's going to end in
the same place. At some point, the Democrats are going
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to give in. And I'll tell you what most of
the Republican senators believe myself included, which is the shutdown
will continue at least until next week. And the reason
for that is on October eighteenth, on Saturday, there is
a big rally planned in Washington, d C. The so
called No King's Rally, where a bunch of leftist radicals
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are going to be coming to Washington, d C. To
protest against Donald Trump. Because that's what the left does,
is they say we hate Trump, we hate Trump. And
what I'm hearing is the Democrats are terrified of reopening
the government before that No King's Rally because they think
if they do reopen the government, those radicals will be
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fear and listen, why are we having a shutdown? We're
having a shut down two reasons. Number one, because the
Democrats want free, taxpayer provided health care for illegal aliens.
But number two, the real reason we're having a shutdown
is because Chuck Schumer is fighting for his political life
and he's trying to demonstrate to the radical left he
hates Trump as much as they do. And so I
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think at a minimum, the shutdown will continue through this weekend.
The earliest we see the government opening up is next week.
But you know what, Schumer and the Democrats might make
a drag out even further than that, because right now
they seem utterly oblivious to the consequences of their massive
political obstruction.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it really is. And I go back to being
held hostage and the fact that Democrats are really outraged
over the idea of paying our military. I think that's
just really gross. I am shocked they're not taking a
bigger political hit and the media is just giving them
full covery on this one to act like their outrage
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is somehow sane or normal. I actually think the American
people look at this otherwise. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, I think you're right, although candidly, I think each
side lives in its own echo chamber. So I think
if you're inclined to agree with Republicans, your view is, gosh,
the Democrats are being ridiculous. This is the Schumer shutdown now. Sadly,
if you're inclined to agree with Democrats, if you're on
the left, you're listening to see Ann, you're listening to MSNBC,
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you're in an echo chamber where everyone you hear is saying,
it's the horrible Republicans, it's the horrible Republicans. And so
I think that's part of the reason why the two
sides have very different perspectives. I don't think this is
going well for the Democrats at all, but I'm not
sure they agree, because if they're just listening to their radicals,
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they think it's wonderful. By the way, their radicals would
leave the government shut down for months and months and
months because all they care is saying we hate Trump. Now,
here's how this is gonna end. I don't think Chuck
Schumer is gonna end it. I don't think he's gonna
show any leadership because I think he is terrified. He
is hearing AOC breathing down his neck. What I think
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is gonna happen is you're going to need at least
seven Democrats who decide, Okay, enough is enough, let's reopen
the government, let's stop this petulance. And I think it
is going to be almost exclusively retiring Democrats, people who
are on their way out and Democrats who are not
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facing their left wing voters anytime soon. My guess is
Schumer never votes to open the government, but I think
he may condone. He may look the other way and
wink a couple of times at letting a little bit
of a jail break at letting eight to ten Democrats
vote to say, let's reopen the government, and I think
all the rest of the Democrats vote no, no, no, to
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preserve themselves from their left flank.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you believe that Democrats who actually sit down with Republicans,
it's really something that hasn't happened. Certainly on the House side,
Democrats are saying and no, we have nothing to talk about.
Do you think that Democrats will be let out of
that jail once this No King's rally takes place? And
how quickly afterwards do you think we can actually see
that conversation begin.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, look, right now, Schumer is not talking with Republican leadership.
A King, Jeffries in the House is not talking with
Republican leadership. I don't think it will be Democrat leadership.
That there's a group of about a dozen Democrat senators
who are having conversations and they're talking a little bit
to Republicans. And I think the way this will end
is after the rally. And by the way, think about it.
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If you're a federal worker right now and you're working
at say the VA, and you didn't get your paycheck today.
The reason you didn't get your paycheck is that Democrats
are scared to have a rally of radicals in Washington
while they allowed you to get your paycheck. I mean,
this is pure left wing politics. And by the way,
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Schumer's comment on this, he said, quote, every day gets
better for us, he said, quote every day the Republicans
refused to negotiate to end this shutdown, the worse it
gets for Americans, and the clear it becomes who's fighting
for them. That is their view, or that is at
least the view of the radicals. But I think what
you'll see is among that roughly dozen Democrats who are
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having conversations right now, you'll see seven, eight nine of
them say Okay, let's open the government. And that's how
this ends.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Final question on this. The President today at the White
House did talk about, Hey, you better get ready come
Thursday Friday. You guys don't get back on board of
opening the government up. I'm going to start cutting democratic
programs because we think there's a lot of waste there,
not Republican programs. Is that the type of leverage that
we need right now?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Absolutely so. I was at the White House on Tuesday.
I talked with many Cabinet members. I talked with Russ Vode,
who's the head of the Office of Management and Budget
and he's in charge of the layoffs, and they've already started.
They've laid off thousands of federal government workers. And the
Trump White House has said the longer the shutdown continues,
the more government workers will be laid off, not furloughed temporarily,
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but laid off. And they're going to focus on policies
and priorities that are inconsistent with the President's agenda, that
are Democrat priorities. And I think that leverage will accelerate
the Democrats saying, Okay, we're going to stop holding the
government hostage, and we're going to allow the clean Continual
Resolution that the House passed weeks ago. We're going to
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allow that to be signed the law.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you
were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance
for a really I think special moment. You and I
had the honor and the privilege to go to the
memorial service for Charlie Kirk. What we witnessed today was
something incredible. Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of
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Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday
at the White House, and his wife, his widow, Erica,
was there to accept this. It was a moving moment
and you were there for all of it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day.
It was a beautiful fall day at October in Washington,
d C. The sun was out. We were in the
Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had, you
had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually
the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk,
Charlie's widow, was there. The President really, I think did
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a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speaking from the heart,
honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian
honor we have in this country and in the military context,
the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that that
can be awarded an individual. In the civilian context, the
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Medal of Freedom. It is the highest honor that can
be awarded an individual. And to give it to Charlie,
it was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two.
He was a young man. He had an incredibly bright future,
as you and I have talked about we both have
known Charlie a long time. I considered Charlie a very
close friend. Heidie and I met Charlie when he was
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just eighteen years old, when he was a kid. At
the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents.
I had not met his parents before, and I had
an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and
dad say, look, look, Hidie and I we love Charlie.
And when we got to know him fourteen years ago,
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his vision then was as clear as it was the
day he died. His vision of creating a movement to energize,
to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom,
to love free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America.
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That vision, you could see it. What I met at
me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid. He
was fresh out of high school, had not gone to college.
And you gotta remember the context. This is twenty twelve,
beginning of twenty thirteen. Barack Obama had just been reelected.
The Democrats were resurgent. At that point, young people being
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a Democrat at an Obama Democrat was hip and cool.
The idea of energizing a lot of young people to
be conservatives. Frankly sounded looney. It did not sound like
an easy task at all. A lot of people in
the Republican Party said this will never work. But Charlie
had a vision. And I was telling his mom and dad.
I said, look, his vision was extraordinary. One of the
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things I said to them is I said, look, I'm
queer grieving the loss of your son. He was extraordinarm
So sorry, so sorry for your loss. But I said,
you know what I think, in the last month, it
may well be possible that more people have heard the
Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes. That
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that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global
event where people heard the gospel. And I got to
say at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and
she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the
cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers
who had nailed him to the cross, who were in
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the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the cross, Father,
forgive them, for they know not what they do. And
she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission
for young people, particularly young men, young men who were
often disaffected, disillusion, to help them find find their way
and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose
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that provides real satisfaction and real reason for living. And
she talked about that young man who shot Charlie, that
young man, and then she said, and I got to
say she was doing this wind up. I knew you,
knew where she was going. And I got to tell you,
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I understand you and I were standing next to each other.
I literally held my breath. I'm like, is she going
to be able to say this? And she stood up
with the eyes of the world upon him, and said,
that young man, the young man who pulled the trigger
and murdered her husband, murdered the father of her children.
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She said, I forgive him. I don't know that there
was a dry eye in the house. And one of
the things that is so incredible is millions of people
were watching that and listen. If you're a Christian, you understand,
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just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they know
not what they do, even as they were killing him.
But if you're not a Christian, I believe thousands, if
not millions, of people looked at each other and said,
how can she say that? Where does that come from?
Where does that forgiveness come from? Where does that love
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come from? And I think it was as powerful a
testament of the Gospel as as as we have seen
in a long long time, And and and it and
I got to say today the President spoke beautifully. And
by the way, when Erica said I forgive him Ben,
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I hope and pray you or I are never in
that situation. I don't know that those words could come
out of my mouth. I would want them to, I
would sperately want them to. But I that the strength
it took for her to say those words I find
utterly astonishing. And I just I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen,
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I so wish Charlie were with us today. But millions
have heard the Gospel in the last several weeks because
of Charlie. And that's that is one hell of a legacy.
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difference with every call you make. You know, I think
one of the most incredible things that you just mentioned
is the legacy. And one of the things that the
present said today at the White House for people that
didn't hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr.
And this is what the President said about.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That said on the day that he was assassinated. Charlie
Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and
from Socrates to think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham
Lincoln to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most,
and he really did have always risked their lives for
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causes they were put on earth to defend. He was
put on earth to do exactly what he was doing.
He didn't want to waste time. He would have been
I'm a top student at any college in the country
I know to college as well. He's smarter than the guys.
He was so smart, but He almost, I guess, didn't
have the time. He knew what he wanted to do.
It wasn't like Jae I want to sit in this
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classroom for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles,
because they were never going to teach him that anyway.
But he didn't have the time. He really didn't have
the time. But every time the enemies of goodness and
virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble
leaders like Charlie, they failed. They seem to fail. Ultimately,
they look like they're doing well, and then they end
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up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years,
over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got
a power that others don't have, and very few people
will ever have. So today, like those martyrs before him,
Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and
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greater than ever before. They are greater than ever before.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You know him saying as I said on the day
he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth
and for freedom, and I couldn't agree more. To compare
him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln
to Martin Luther King Junior. These are people that change history.
Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those
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types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy.
And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his
legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think
young men and young women on fire to be bolder
in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek
the truth of the Bible and the Gospel. And just
what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal,
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but also what he was doing to fight for this
country at the same time, that is going to be
a legacy that's going to live on because so many
people that are going to do it for Charlie. I
think you and I would include ourselves in that as well.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Listen, he was very much He was a martyr for
freedom and a martyr for truth. I also told Charlie's parents,
I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last
four weeks that then heard them in the entire thirty
one nearly thirty two years of his life. That the
number of people who went and said, who was this
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Charlie Kirk guy? What did he have to say, who
listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as
he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as
he treated them with respect, with dignity. That is a
powerful legacy. I will tell you. One of the things
that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony
is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened
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at Charlie's funeral ceremony. So at the funeral, Erica Kirk spoke,
and I mentioned how she said that she forgives the
murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about how
Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. And you know,
Trump spoke at the funeral, and and and he gave
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I think, very strong remarks. But one of the things
he said is he said that's something he had a
great deal of difficulty doing, that he did not love
his enemies, that he hated his enemies, and he liked
to fight his enemies. And he kind of laughed about it,
but he said that, and and and it was that
was a back and forth from Arizona. Well in the
Rose Garden, Trump brought it up again and and and look,
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President Trump knew Charlie very well, and he said, you know,
I know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies,
but he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie,
he said, I'm not sure I saw that. I think
he like when he was in a battle, he would fight,
fight his enemies, uh and and fight them vigorously and listen,
Charlie was a strong man and a passionate man who
knew what he believed. But it was very interesting. Erica
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spoke after the President in the Rose Garden and she
gave beautiful remarks. But one of the things she said
that I think was directly responding to the president. She said, look,
I can tell you from having been married to him,
Charlie prayed for his enemies. And she said I saw that.
She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that,
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but she said I saw him and he prayed for
his enemies. And President Trump was standing behind her right shoulder,
and she said it it was it was lighthearted, but
she was kind of she was in many ways responding
to the President, and he like laughed. He was good natured,
but he was genuinely laughing, and it was a look.
I think It was a good back and forth that
that that we should be vigorous in what we believe.
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We should not not give in uh to to to
those who argue for positions that are harmful to America.
We should be full throat in our argument. But but
I also think that the message that Erica was carrying
forward about it's possible to disagree, and look, you go
watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus,
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when when you would have someone come in and argue
for open borders, when you would have someone come in
and argue for socialism, when you have someone come in
and argue for transgenderism, when you have someone come in
and argue for for hamas terrorists. Charlie was vigorous and
full throated in disputing them, but he was not mean
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spirited about it. He was not I hate you, he
was not you're the enemy. But he would engage in
a way that said, look, I understand why you're saying that.
Here's why I believe you're mistaken. And and I think
Rika was right that he was able to do so
from a position of love. Love does not mean agreement.
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Love does not mean saying I accept the position you're advocating,
even though I believe it is harmful to our country.
But love means not treating your political adversary as the
enemy to be destroyed, but instead trying to respond with reason,
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with compassion, trying to move, and even if you don't move,
your immediate interlocketur those who are observing it. Charlie was
very good at responding in a way that persuaded a
lot of other people. And I thought that back and
forth Tuesday between the President and Erica was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, I would encourage everyone that is listening right now,
if you did not get to see as specifically Erica's remarks,
go listen to them, and go listen to Donald Trump's
full remarks as we played one of the highlights here.
But there was a lot that was said and it
wasn't covered in the same way obviously that his memorial
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was covered. I'm still in shock that we're a month
since we lost Charlie Kirk. But today was a very
special day. I'm so thankful that the President did this.
I'm thankful that his parents were there, that they got
to see how many people he influenced, the most important
people in our government, the president of the United States
of America, and just to be able to hear from
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people like you centered and to love on them and
to let them know that their son's life mattered in
such a big way.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Amen, Amen, don't forget Share this podcast please with your
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I tell you what. The government shut down fiasco is
just total insanity right now, and Democrats are now having
insane demands to reopen the government. Some of them include,
and this is not a joke, a three point nine
million dollar demand for the lgbtqiplus democracy grants in the
(00:24):
Western Balkans. I wish I was joking. The Speaker of
the House, Mike Johnson laying out now why your government
is shut down and what Democrats are demanding you pay
for with your tax dollars to reopen the government. Listen
to This would send a.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Half a billion dollars to liberal news outlets by refunding
the Corporation for public broadcasting. It would also restore up
to five billion dollars of American taxpayer funds for wasteful
spending for international projects. Here's a couple of examples. This
is in their legislation, their counterproposal on the sere to
keep the lights open. This is what they want to do.
(01:05):
They want to spend twenty four point six million of
your hard earned dollars as a taxpayer for climate resilience
in Honduras. They want to spend thirteen point four million
for civic engagement in Zimbabwe they want to send three
point nine million for LGBTQI plus democracy grants, and the
Western Balkans they want to spend two point nine million
(01:26):
of your dollars for desert locust risk reduction in the
Horn of Africa and two million for quote organizing for
feminist democratic principles in Africa. We are not doing.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That, Speaker Johnson saying it clearly, we are not doing that. Now.
The government shut down is also happening because there is
a date coming up. It is the No Kings Rally
in Washington, d C. It is three four days away
from now, and it's very clear that Democrats are actually
(01:59):
being held hostage by the most radicals in their party.
Democrats must be a part of this No King's rally.
It's an organized rally to say that Donald Trump is
an evil dictator, tyrant king. And it's something that's being
paid for by the richest and the radical left, the
billionaires of their party. And so this is the reality
(02:22):
of the situation right now. Democrats are going to hold
this country hostage at least for the next four or
five days. Then they may come to the table to
talk with Republicans, but they're not allowed to negotiate before
the extremist rally they're going to have in the nation's capital.
(02:43):
And they're also making these extreme demands which I just
mentioned and you heard from Speaker Johnson. So if you
were hoping today when you woke up that you were
going to find out the government was going to be working,
well it's not because Democrats are refusing to lead. Instead,
(03:04):
they're going to hold you hostage and the American workers
and our government workers, including our men and women in
the military. There's also another aspect of this, and it's
even more shocking. Donald Trump figured out a way to
make sure that those that serve our country in uniform,
our men and women in our military, would get their
paychecks this morning on the fifteenth, and not miss that
(03:29):
pay period. What's shocking is just how angry Democrats are
that Donald Trump said We're not going to play politics
with our men and women in uniform. They are furious
at the present for doing this. In fact, they've even
threatened to use legal action and every other power they
have to stop our men and women in uniform from
(03:52):
getting a paycheck, Which brings me to another conversation that
I had moments ago with Senator Ted Krue. Senator Cruz
and I not only talked about the government shutdown, but
we also talked about what happened at the White House
today in the Rose Garden. You had the President of
the United States of America giving the highest civilian honor
(04:14):
to Charlie Kirk, to his widow, to his mother and
father who were there, with almost every cabinet secretary in attendance,
and some of the most powerful people in our government.
It is shocking that it's been a month since the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, but his legacy has only grown
over the last month. And the number of people whose
(04:36):
lives have been affected in a positive way by Charlie
Kirk and his words that they've watched and listened to
online has only grown significantly in the last thirty days.
His legacy is incredible, and I want you to hear
my conversation with Senata Cruz about both of these issues.
(04:57):
All right, Senator, so let's just talk about like where
we are to give the updates. This is something I
think it's important for us to do when it comes
to shut down what is happening now in Washington, And
I got a feeling you're gonna be like nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, look it's October fifteenth. So one of the consequences
is federal workers all across the federal government had their
paycheck not direct deposited. And so for a lot of
workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, it means they're
not getting the check that they were planning on to
pay their bills. They're not getting the check they're planning
on to go to the grocery store. They're not getting
(05:31):
the check they're planning on to pay healthcare expenses, tuition expenses,
all daycare expenses, all of the day to day expenses.
It was also scheduled to be the day on which
our troops, our soldiers, our sailors, our airmenham marines would
not get paid either. And we've seen online images of
(05:53):
young soldiers standing in line at food pantries to get food.
You know, many of our young, particular enlisted men and
women are living on very limited budgets and not getting
a paycheck is a real hardship for them. Now, I
will say the latter has not happened because President Trump
has done something that I don't think has ever happened
(06:13):
in a previous shutdown, which which is he has readjusted
money that was going to other expenses within the Department
of War. He's shifted it around to an account to
pay our servicemen and women. I'm grateful that he did so.
It really is quite striking that the Democrats, multiple Democrats,
are expressing dismay, how dare you pay our servicemen and women?
(06:35):
But on Tuesday, On Tuesday, the Senate came back in
town and we voted. We voted for the ninth time,
Republicans voted to reopen the government. I voted to reopen
the government. We're ready to reopen it. And the Democrats
came in almost party line, all but a couple of
Democrats voted no, no, no, keep the government down. And
(06:56):
by the way, Schumer recently said it was quote better
for Democrats to extend the government shutdown. Now, I got
to say that's a cynical statement. They're counting on the
media to be dishonest about what's going on. But listen,
the end of this is it's going to end in
the same place. At some point, the Democrats are going
(07:17):
to give in. And I'll tell you what most of
the Republican senators believe myself included, which is the shutdown
will continue at least until next week. And the reason
for that is on October eighteenth, on Saturday, there is
a big rally planned in Washington, d C. The so
called No King's Rally, where a bunch of leftist radicals
(07:39):
are going to be coming to Washington, d C. To
protest against Donald Trump. Because that's what the left does,
is they say we hate Trump, we hate Trump. And
what I'm hearing is the Democrats are terrified of reopening
the government before that No King's Rally because they think
if they do reopen the government, those radicals will be
(07:59):
fear and listen, why are we having a shutdown? We're
having a shut down two reasons. Number one, because the
Democrats want free, taxpayer provided health care for illegal aliens.
But number two, the real reason we're having a shutdown
is because Chuck Schumer is fighting for his political life
and he's trying to demonstrate to the radical left he
hates Trump as much as they do. And so I
(08:22):
think at a minimum, the shutdown will continue through this weekend.
The earliest we see the government opening up is next week.
But you know what, Schumer and the Democrats might make
a drag out even further than that, because right now
they seem utterly oblivious to the consequences of their massive
political obstruction.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, it really is. And I go back to being
held hostage and the fact that Democrats are really outraged
over the idea of paying our military. I think that's
just really gross. I am shocked they're not taking a
bigger political hit and the media is just giving them
full covery on this one to act like their outrage
(09:02):
is somehow sane or normal. I actually think the American
people look at this otherwise. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, I think you're right, although candidly, I think each
side lives in its own echo chamber. So I think
if you're inclined to agree with Republicans, your view is, gosh,
the Democrats are being ridiculous. This is the Schumer shutdown now. Sadly,
if you're inclined to agree with Democrats, if you're on
the left, you're listening to see Ann, you're listening to MSNBC,
(09:31):
you're in an echo chamber where everyone you hear is saying,
it's the horrible Republicans, it's the horrible Republicans. And so
I think that's part of the reason why the two
sides have very different perspectives. I don't think this is
going well for the Democrats at all, but I'm not
sure they agree, because if they're just listening to their radicals,
(09:52):
they think it's wonderful. By the way, their radicals would
leave the government shut down for months and months and
months because all they care is saying we hate Trump. Now,
here's how this is gonna end. I don't think Chuck
Schumer is gonna end it. I don't think he's gonna
show any leadership because I think he is terrified. He
is hearing AOC breathing down his neck. What I think
(10:16):
is gonna happen is you're going to need at least
seven Democrats who decide, Okay, enough is enough, let's reopen
the government, let's stop this petulance. And I think it
is going to be almost exclusively retiring Democrats, people who
are on their way out and Democrats who are not
(10:39):
facing their left wing voters anytime soon. My guess is
Schumer never votes to open the government, but I think
he may condone. He may look the other way and
wink a couple of times at letting a little bit
of a jail break at letting eight to ten Democrats
vote to say, let's reopen the government, and I think
all the rest of the Democrats vote no, no, no, to
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preserve themselves from their left flank.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you believe that Democrats who actually sit down with Republicans,
it's really something that hasn't happened. Certainly on the House side,
Democrats are saying and no, we have nothing to talk about.
Do you think that Democrats will be let out of
that jail once this No King's rally takes place? And
how quickly afterwards do you think we can actually see
that conversation begin.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, look, right now, Schumer is not talking with Republican leadership.
A King, Jeffries in the House is not talking with
Republican leadership. I don't think it will be Democrat leadership.
That there's a group of about a dozen Democrat senators
who are having conversations and they're talking a little bit
to Republicans. And I think the way this will end
is after the rally. And by the way, think about it.
(11:46):
If you're a federal worker right now and you're working
at say the VA, and you didn't get your paycheck today.
The reason you didn't get your paycheck is that Democrats
are scared to have a rally of radicals in Washington
while they allowed you to get your paycheck. I mean,
this is pure left wing politics. And by the way,
(12:06):
Schumer's comment on this, he said, quote, every day gets
better for us, he said, quote every day the Republicans
refused to negotiate to end this shutdown, the worse it
gets for Americans, and the clear it becomes who's fighting
for them. That is their view, or that is at
least the view of the radicals. But I think what
you'll see is among that roughly dozen Democrats who are
(12:30):
having conversations right now, you'll see seven, eight nine of
them say Okay, let's open the government. And that's how
this ends.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Final question on this. The President today at the White
House did talk about, Hey, you better get ready come
Thursday Friday. You guys don't get back on board of
opening the government up. I'm going to start cutting democratic
programs because we think there's a lot of waste there,
not Republican programs. Is that the type of leverage that
we need right now?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Absolutely so. I was at the White House on Tuesday.
I talked with many Cabinet members. I talked with Russ Vode,
who's the head of the Office of Management and Budget
and he's in charge of the layoffs, and they've already started.
They've laid off thousands of federal government workers. And the
Trump White House has said the longer the shutdown continues,
the more government workers will be laid off, not furloughed temporarily,
(13:18):
but laid off. And they're going to focus on policies
and priorities that are inconsistent with the President's agenda, that
are Democrat priorities. And I think that leverage will accelerate
the Democrats saying, Okay, we're going to stop holding the
government hostage, and we're going to allow the clean Continual
Resolution that the House passed weeks ago. We're going to
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allow that to be signed the law.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you
were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance
for a really I think special moment. You and I
had the honor and the privilege to go to the
memorial service for Charlie Kirk. What we witnessed today was
something incredible. Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of
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Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday
at the White House, and his wife, his widow, Erica,
was there to accept this. It was a moving moment
and you were there for all of it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day.
It was a beautiful fall day at October in Washington,
d C. The sun was out. We were in the
Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had, you
had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually
the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk,
Charlie's widow, was there. The President really, I think did
(14:39):
a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speaking from the heart,
honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian
honor we have in this country and in the military context,
the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that that
can be awarded an individual. In the civilian context, the
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Medal of Freedom. It is the highest honor that can
be awarded an individual. And to give it to Charlie,
it was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two.
He was a young man. He had an incredibly bright future,
as you and I have talked about we both have
known Charlie a long time. I considered Charlie a very
close friend. Heidie and I met Charlie when he was
(15:22):
just eighteen years old, when he was a kid. At
the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents.
I had not met his parents before, and I had
an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and
dad say, look, look, Hidie and I we love Charlie.
And when we got to know him fourteen years ago,
(15:47):
his vision then was as clear as it was the
day he died. His vision of creating a movement to energize,
to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom,
to love free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America.
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That vision, you could see it. What I met at
me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid. He
was fresh out of high school, had not gone to college.
And you gotta remember the context. This is twenty twelve,
beginning of twenty thirteen. Barack Obama had just been reelected.
The Democrats were resurgent. At that point, young people being
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a Democrat at an Obama Democrat was hip and cool.
The idea of energizing a lot of young people to
be conservatives. Frankly sounded looney. It did not sound like
an easy task at all. A lot of people in
the Republican Party said this will never work. But Charlie
had a vision. And I was telling his mom and dad.
I said, look, his vision was extraordinary. One of the
(16:51):
things I said to them is I said, look, I'm
queer grieving the loss of your son. He was extraordinarm
So sorry, so sorry for your loss. But I said,
you know what I think, in the last month, it
may well be possible that more people have heard the
Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes. That
(17:15):
that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global
event where people heard the gospel. And I got to
say at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and
she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the
cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers
who had nailed him to the cross, who were in
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the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the cross, Father,
forgive them, for they know not what they do. And
she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission
for young people, particularly young men, young men who were
often disaffected, disillusion, to help them find find their way
and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose
(18:02):
that provides real satisfaction and real reason for living. And
she talked about that young man who shot Charlie, that
young man, and then she said, and I got to
say she was doing this wind up. I knew you,
knew where she was going. And I got to tell you,
(18:24):
I understand you and I were standing next to each other.
I literally held my breath. I'm like, is she going
to be able to say this? And she stood up
with the eyes of the world upon him, and said,
that young man, the young man who pulled the trigger
and murdered her husband, murdered the father of her children.
(18:44):
She said, I forgive him. I don't know that there
was a dry eye in the house. And one of
the things that is so incredible is millions of people
were watching that and listen. If you're a Christian, you understand,
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just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they know
not what they do, even as they were killing him.
But if you're not a Christian, I believe thousands, if
not millions, of people looked at each other and said,
how can she say that? Where does that come from?
Where does that forgiveness come from? Where does that love
(19:28):
come from? And I think it was as powerful a
testament of the Gospel as as as we have seen
in a long long time, And and and it and
I got to say today the President spoke beautifully. And
by the way, when Erica said I forgive him Ben,
(19:51):
I hope and pray you or I are never in
that situation. I don't know that those words could come
out of my mouth. I would want them to, I
would sperately want them to. But I that the strength
it took for her to say those words I find
utterly astonishing. And I just I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen,
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I so wish Charlie were with us today. But millions
have heard the Gospel in the last several weeks because
of Charlie. And that's that is one hell of a legacy.
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difference with every call you make. You know, I think
one of the most incredible things that you just mentioned
is the legacy. And one of the things that the
present said today at the White House for people that
didn't hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr.
And this is what the President said about.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That said on the day that he was assassinated. Charlie
Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and
from Socrates to think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham
Lincoln to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most,
and he really did have always risked their lives for
(22:52):
causes they were put on earth to defend. He was
put on earth to do exactly what he was doing.
He didn't want to waste time. He would have been
I'm a top student at any college in the country
I know to college as well. He's smarter than the guys.
He was so smart, but He almost, I guess, didn't
have the time. He knew what he wanted to do.
It wasn't like Jae I want to sit in this
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classroom for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles,
because they were never going to teach him that anyway.
But he didn't have the time. He really didn't have
the time. But every time the enemies of goodness and
virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble
leaders like Charlie, they failed. They seem to fail. Ultimately,
they look like they're doing well, and then they end
(23:34):
up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years,
over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got
a power that others don't have, and very few people
will ever have. So today, like those martyrs before him,
Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and
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greater than ever before. They are greater than ever before.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You know him saying as I said on the day
he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth
and for freedom, and I couldn't agree more. To compare
him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln
to Martin Luther King Junior. These are people that change history.
Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those
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types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy.
And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his
legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think
young men and young women on fire to be bolder
in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek
the truth of the Bible and the Gospel. And just
what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal,
(24:45):
but also what he was doing to fight for this
country at the same time, that is going to be
a legacy that's going to live on because so many
people that are going to do it for Charlie. I
think you and I would include ourselves in that as well.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Listen, he was very much He was a martyr for
freedom and a martyr for truth. I also told Charlie's parents,
I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last
four weeks that then heard them in the entire thirty
one nearly thirty two years of his life. That the
number of people who went and said, who was this
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Charlie Kirk guy? What did he have to say, who
listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as
he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as
he treated them with respect, with dignity. That is a
powerful legacy. I will tell you. One of the things
that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony
is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened
(25:40):
at Charlie's funeral ceremony. So at the funeral, Erica Kirk spoke,
and I mentioned how she said that she forgives the
murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about how
Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. And you know,
Trump spoke at the funeral, and and and he gave
(26:01):
I think, very strong remarks. But one of the things
he said is he said that's something he had a
great deal of difficulty doing, that he did not love
his enemies, that he hated his enemies, and he liked
to fight his enemies. And he kind of laughed about it,
but he said that, and and and it was that
was a back and forth from Arizona. Well in the
Rose Garden, Trump brought it up again and and and look,
(26:25):
President Trump knew Charlie very well, and he said, you know,
I know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies,
but he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie,
he said, I'm not sure I saw that. I think
he like when he was in a battle, he would fight,
fight his enemies, uh and and fight them vigorously and listen,
Charlie was a strong man and a passionate man who
knew what he believed. But it was very interesting. Erica
(26:49):
spoke after the President in the Rose Garden and she
gave beautiful remarks. But one of the things she said
that I think was directly responding to the president. She said, look,
I can tell you from having been married to him,
Charlie prayed for his enemies. And she said I saw that.
She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that,
(27:10):
but she said I saw him and he prayed for
his enemies. And President Trump was standing behind her right shoulder,
and she said it it was it was lighthearted, but
she was kind of she was in many ways responding
to the President, and he like laughed. He was good natured,
but he was genuinely laughing, and it was a look.
I think It was a good back and forth that
that that we should be vigorous in what we believe.
(27:31):
We should not not give in uh to to to
those who argue for positions that are harmful to America.
We should be full throat in our argument. But but
I also think that the message that Erica was carrying
forward about it's possible to disagree, and look, you go
watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus,
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when when you would have someone come in and argue
for open borders, when you would have someone come in
and argue for socialism, when you have someone come in
and argue for transgenderism, when you have someone come in
and argue for for hamas terrorists. Charlie was vigorous and
full throated in disputing them, but he was not mean
(28:16):
spirited about it. He was not I hate you, he
was not you're the enemy. But he would engage in
a way that said, look, I understand why you're saying that.
Here's why I believe you're mistaken. And and I think
Rika was right that he was able to do so
from a position of love. Love does not mean agreement.
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Love does not mean saying I accept the position you're advocating,
even though I believe it is harmful to our country.
But love means not treating your political adversary as the
enemy to be destroyed, but instead trying to respond with reason,
(29:02):
with compassion, trying to move, and even if you don't move,
your immediate interlocketur those who are observing it. Charlie was
very good at responding in a way that persuaded a
lot of other people. And I thought that back and
forth Tuesday between the President and Erica was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, I would encourage everyone that is listening right now,
if you did not get to see as specifically Erica's remarks,
go listen to them, and go listen to Donald Trump's
full remarks as we played one of the highlights here.
But there was a lot that was said and it
wasn't covered in the same way obviously that his memorial
(29:39):
was covered. I'm still in shock that we're a month
since we lost Charlie Kirk. But today was a very
special day. I'm so thankful that the President did this.
I'm thankful that his parents were there, that they got
to see how many people he influenced, the most important
people in our government, the president of the United States
of America, and just to be able to hear from
(30:01):
people like you centered and to love on them and
to let them know that their son's life mattered in
such a big way.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
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