September 22, 2025 • 37 mins
Main Themes:
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Grief & Tribute – We mourn the loss of Charlie Kirk, describing him as a friend, husband, and father taken too soon.
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Revival & Faith – The event was more than a funeral, but rather a catalyst for spiritual revival. Speakers repeatedly stress how millions heard the Gospel and were moved.
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Forgiveness & Strength – A centerpiece of the document is Erica Kirk’s speech, especially her public forgiveness of her husband’s killer, which is framed as a Christ-like act of grace.
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Unity & Legacy – The memorial is described as unifying political leaders, religious communities, and ordinary people. Mentions of figures like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Van Jones illustrate broad reach and impact.
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Hope for America – The writers conclude that Charlie’s death and the memorial may inspire a generational shift toward faith, civility, and spiritual renewal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got to tell you today's show is a very
different show. I have just gotten back from Charlie Kirk's funeral.
I was there with Senata Cruz and we were there
to witness. I think what is going to go down
in history is one of the most important days in
(00:20):
modern history when it comes to our faith, Christianity and
people coming to Christ. It was the biggest leaders in
the country in a room and it wasn't political. It
was about Charlie's life, his legacy and what he believed
in and how he wanted to bring people to Christ
(00:41):
and wanted to bring people together and wanted to save
this country. And that to me was one of the
most amazing parts about the day. So we are going
to have a special show today with Senata Cruz and
I as we do our normal podcast together. But I
want you to hear it as we have just landed
back here and it's one am in the morning Central,
(01:02):
two o'clock Eastern right now, and I want you to
just hear about the day, what we saw, what we heard,
who we spoke with, and here is just us downloading
a day that I will never forget, that was filled
with love and joy and kindness, in the gospel.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Today was I think maybe one of the most incredible
things I've ever witnessed in my life. And I'm saying
that going to memorial service. But Centata, I think you
probably feel the exact same way that I do that
this was a day where I feel blessed. I feel
honored that we were able to be there, to be
a part of it. I feel like I'm watching a
(01:45):
revival take place that is so much bigger than politics,
and I think what we've witnessed today was the start
of something that could transform this country. They're now saying
over a hundred million was number of streams coming out
of this event, and well over two hundred thousand people
showed up, the majority of them without a ticket to
(02:07):
go to the memorial service.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It is right now, twelve nineteen am, Sunday night, early
Monday morning. You and I spent the entire day in
Arizona at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk, and I
got to say, this was a powerful day. It was powerful.
Number One, we were grieving our friend. Both you and
I knew Charlie really well. I talked to him not
(02:34):
many weeks ago. You know, I met him when he
was eighteen years old. And the last two weeks have
been a hard week. You and I both watched our
friend murdered on live video online, and the agony we
felt was felt without iperbole, by millions of Americans who
(02:58):
Charlie had touched. There was grief, there was grieving, but
I got to tell you, as much as there was
grief and then there were certainly tears. There were tears
for Erica, tears for his two children that will never
know their daddy. But today the atmosphere, more than anything,
was one of celebration. It was one of celebrating a
(03:21):
life well lived. It was one of celebrating a legacy
an example. You know, I got to say, none of
us know when.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
We will go.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We don't know if we'll be here tomorrow. We don't
know if we'll be here in ten years and twenty years,
in fifty years. But I will tell you there's not
a one of us who wouldn't hope to be remembered
the way Charlie was today. Yeah, I mean, what a
life well lived and what a celebration. And you mentioned revival,
(03:53):
that was a term that was used over and over
and over again by speakers today, and there was a
feel of there was a feel you know. I saw
the Babylon Bee had a story today about the devil saying,
uh oh, I went too far, And I gotta say
it is amazing, you know. Earlier today, Charlie Kirk's producer
(04:20):
of his podcast sent out a tweet and the tweet said,
I was just told that we have more press interest
in sunday celebration of Charlie Kirk's life and legacy than
there is for the Super Bowl. The Gospel of Jesus
Christ is about to be proclaimed to the largest audience
(04:42):
in the history of humanity. To God be the Glory.
And I got to say. A friend of mine who's
a pastor, he texted that to me, and I just said, Amen,
God is sovereign and God is good. And look, none
of us know why God allowed this ranged killer to
take Charlie's life, to take it too early, to take
(05:04):
it at just age thirty one. But I have to say,
is it is breathtaking. Number One, I think it is
very likely that in the last two weeks more people
have listened to Charlie Kirk than listened in his entire life.
It has been amazing the penetration, and this was it did.
(05:26):
It felt like a Billy Graham revival. And the degree
to which you know, I'll tell you Friday night, I
was at a youth summit in Texas and two to
three thousand young people came out to it. The attendance
more than doubled what it typically was, and it ended
(05:47):
up being just a remembrance of Charlie Kirk. And I
spoke at it. I'll tell you. At the beginning, a
pastor preached and about two hundred young people gave their
lives to cry at a gathering.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's incredible in Texas on a Friday night, and that
it was staggering. This you know, this was in the
football stadium in Phoenix, Arizona. It's a huge stadium. People
started showing up at four and four thirty in the
morning to line up to get in. And if you
were there, I ran into people who were there by
(06:24):
eight am. They didn't get in. The program started at eleven.
If you showed up at eight, you didn't make it in.
And and and the over one hundred million views is
astonishing and powerful, and I think transformational. The Gospel was
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proclaimed to millions today, and I think a lot of
people in the United States and across the world are
listening to what is said and and are are moved.
And you know, I'm reminded of Jesus in the New Testament.
Gives the parallel of the parable, and gives the parable
of sowing seeds, and sowing seeds is spreading the gospel.
(07:08):
And some of the seeds fall on rocky soil. Uh,
some of the seeds are eaten by birds. But some
of the seeds fall in fertile ground, and and and
they take root, and they bear fruit and and not
everyone who watched and listened to the service today is
going to have their life transformed. But A but I
(07:29):
think an astonishing number are and and I pray and
I think you do too, that that that revival comes
from this, that that that Charlie's death becomes a moment,
particularly for young people, for young people to say, you
know what, what he had? I want my life to
I want that kind of piece. I want that satisfaction.
(07:50):
I want the joy of getting married and having kids
and having a life where I'm a husband and a
father and and and I know that that that that
God loves me, and I have a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ. And I think Charlie's life was a powerful
testament to that. But I think Charlie's death may have
(08:10):
been an even more powerful testament to that.
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I want to paint a picture for people that weren't there,
(10:23):
so you understand. Many of you, we know, I'm sure
watched online as we know from the number of streams.
It's just incredible. But from the moment that I left Houston,
you and I flew separately and I was flying in
to when we touched down in Arizona, amazing grace broke
(10:43):
out on the plane.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And I was able to play that video because that
video is beautiful, to describe it, paint the scene and
then play the video.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, we landed and it was an organic moment that
you're on.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
A United flight.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, this is not Southwest is the best way I
can describe it. This is a United flight. This is
not normal on a United flight, and it just started
and and I want to play it for you because
you're gonna hear the very end of what I what,
what I was able to witness, which was just incredible,
And I grabbed my phone out because I was I
(11:20):
wanted to just share it. And it was as we
landed and it was just people singing amazing grace on
a United flight number one. What a testimony to to everyone.
Incredible testimony from just a standpoint of the flight attendants
and in the in the the there was there was
I think it was pretty clear there was tears in
(11:40):
the eyes of one of the pilots when we were
walking off the plane and the people were singing, and
I want to play it for you, and it went
viral yesterday and then Fox News played it this morning
when I was on. They put it up on Fox
News dot com and it's hit millions and millions of views,
and that just tells you the power I think of
of Charlie's legacy. But but listen to this on the plane.
(12:00):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
For Charlie.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I mean, you can hear it there, and it was
it was a moment that I'm thankful I was able
to capture on video.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But that was the mood. And I think the other thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You got up early this morning and you went to
the stadium to do Maria's show. I got up early
as well and was going to go do Fox beforehand.
The number of people that were at the stadium without
a ticket, that just on blind faith because they felt
like they just needed to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
They just went and they were going to get.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Idiom six in the morning, and there was a line
of people. It wasn't one or two, it was a
steady line. And you know what, it looked like the
Super Bowl. It looked like the Final Four or if
you know, any major sporting event, except this was at
six in the morning, and it was a constant line
of people just walking to the stadium. They wanted to
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pay their respects to Charlie. They wanted to honor his legacy.
They wanted to give thanks, give thanks for a life
well lived, and and and that that was incredibly impactful.
And I will say we heard a lot of really
powerful remarks, a lineup of one after the other after
the other. I will say, by far, the most impactful
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speech was from Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, And and you
and I we were sitting next to each other in
the memorial and we both looked at each other and
said the same thing. When she finished, we just said wow,
like it was.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It was.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It actually reminded me of years ago. If you remember
Ben Carson's speech at the National Prayer Breakfast that he
gave a speech or the Obama presidency, and it went
viral nationally, and it it launched Ben Carson, and it
it made him a national superstar. Erica's speech had had
that power. And I think for a lot of people
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who had never seen her before that they were turning
on their TV, they were opening their phone or their computer.
The strength.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It took.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
To give that speech less than two weeks after you've
lost your husband, less than two weeks after you've lost
the father of your kids, it boggles the mind. And
you could see her before she went up, just stopping
and just just praying, God give me the strength to
make it through this, and and and and she was
so openly relying on on on God's strength. That's part
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of what made it so unbelievably powerful. I'll tell you
at the beginning, she made a really important point, a
point distinguishing what the reaction was across American across the
world to Charlie's murder compared to something like like George
Floyd being killed and the riots and everything that played out.
(15:23):
Give a listen to what Erica Kirk said on this point.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been
revealed to me these past ten days after Charlie's assassination.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We didn't see violence, we didn't see rioting, we didn't
see revolution. Instead, we saw what my husband, oh, he's
(16:00):
afraid he would see in this country.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
We saw revival.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When she walked up there, I was choked up. You were,
and I think everyone every tears in their eyes. Yeah,
it was how is she going to do this? You
and I had the conversation. I don't know if I
could have done that. And we do this for a living.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, you and I speak a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, that's part of I think, just watching God work
in that room. I walked to that room earlier in
the day, you and I. You came back after Maria
and I left early because we knew it was just
there were so many people there. I abandoned the car
and walked a mile and a half just trying to
get into the stadium and seeing all the people that
weren't going to get in, and they were joyful, they
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weren't angry, they were praying.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I saw groups holding him.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
There's a whole second stadium filled with people watching it
that we're just watching it on TV.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and I walked in.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I finally got inside and was meeting one of the
Fox producers to get down to the risers, and they
were singing the worship music that you and I hear
at church when we go on Sundays before the pastor speaks.
I literally on Fox and I'm not a crier, but
like talking about now it's even because this has been
an incredible and a sad but amazing day. I told
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them on air, I was like, I've never felt in
my life the Holy Spirit's presence and the way that
I felt it today. Ever, and I'm forty three and
I've been to some pretty cool, amazing Christian events, promise
keepers and different things that you've been to. It was
a feeling I will never forget. And it was very
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clear that God's presence were there. And if you were
in that room, and I hope if you were watching
it on TV, you felt it too, because what she
was able to do was by the grace of God,
who gave her the power and the strength to do it,
because on your own, no one could do that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Absolutely that there was one portion of her speech that
I think will go down as the most memorable, the
most consequential, and the most profound, and I want to
want you to just just to listen to it, because,
to be honest, if you heard nothing else that happened
today at Charlie Kirk's memorial service, hear these two minutes,
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because this was the entirety of the service boiled down
in two minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
My husband, Charlie.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He wanted to save.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Young men.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Just like the one who took his life, that young man,
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that young.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Man on the cross.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
What they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I forgive him because it was what Christ did and
is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Is not hate.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The answer we know from the Gospel is love and
always love, love for our enemies, and love for those
who persecute us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You and I were there on the second row watching
those words, and you and I talked about it afterwards.
I don't know if I could have done that that quickly.
I know God says that we're supposed to forgive those
who have wronged us. But you want to talk about
a ministry to the world in that moment. If you
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are not a Christian, you have to be asking yourself
a question. What is it that she has that I
don't How could she forgive in this moment? And why
would Charlie want her to forgive after what happened to Charlie.
It doesn't mean that we don't want justice, but wow.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Look when she said that, I had tears in my eyes,
You had tears in your eyes. Every one of us
one hundred thousand people had tears in her eyes. And
when she started on that, when she referenced Jesus on
the Cross, I knew where it was going. I knew
what she was planning to say, and she was holding
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my breath for because look, you just you and I
both had this conversation spontaneously walking out. To be honest,
I don't think I could say that I would want to,
it would be the right thing to do to do,
I like, I cannot imagine being in the situation she
is in and getting those words out, not just breaking down,
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not breaking down with rage, breaking down with tears and
in it was it was the Holy Spirit that helped
her get that out, because there's no there is not
a human strength that can say that. And one of
the amazing things, I mean, we talked a minute ago
about this being one of, if not the largest presentation
of the Gospel in history. What you just said, you
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and I talked about there are millions of people who
watch this who are not Christians who have to have said,
where did that come from? I don't understand. Why would
you forgive someone who murdered your husband? Yeah, and that
I hope and pray and believe that it caused many
people to say, you know, maybe I should ask a
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few more questions about about Jesus. Maybe maybe I should
go read the Bible. Maybe did Jesus really say on
the cross, Father, forgive them for they know not what
they do? Why would he say that when they were
murdering him. That's what Jesus said as he was nailed
to the cross, as he was hanging there dying. Yeah,
Jesus asked God to forgive the people who killed him.
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And it was you know, I'll tell you. I saw
on Twitter a tweet from a woman named Sanna IBRAHEMI
and I don't don't know her, but this this tweet
struck struck me. I'm just gonna read it to you.
I retweeted it. I listened to Erica Kirk's full speech
at the memorial, and I want to share a few
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thoughts that came to me while live streaming the event.
This is not political. First, I should say that I
grew up as a Muslim in a Muslim country. I
don't know enough about Christianity to say if what I
witnessed is rooted in faith or culture. But what struck
me most is how, even though death is heavy and
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this was by nature a sad occasion, the entire event
carried a celebratory spirit that honored life. That contrast hit
me deeply. In Islam, even though we believe that good
people go to heaven, the relationship with God is taught
through fear. Funerals are overwhelmingly sad, often filled with warnings
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of the terrifying first night in the grave. Growing up
hearing that and then witnessing people's celebrate life, speak of
God's love and remember someone through the impact he had
on others, it felt so refreshing and positive. Second, I
was profoundly moved by Erica Kirk's words. I cannot fathom
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the strength it takes to stand and deliver such a
meaningful speech after losing the love of your life. But
even more than that, the grace it takes to forgive
the very perse person who destroyed your world. I cannot
imagine myself standing on a stage sending love to those
who cheered your husband's murder, or inviting others to spread
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God's love in response, because, as she said, we do
not respond to hate with hate. That is powerful beyond words. Again,
I am ignorant when it comes to Christianity, but if
this is what it truly embodies, then I am envious
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of those who get to experience that feeling. I think
this young lady is not alone, and I think that
message touched millions. And I got to say it was
an incredible privilege to be there and witness it firsthand
and be part of I think, what is a significant
moment in the history of America and maybe the history
(25:57):
of the.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
World to take a moment and I want to talk
to you real quick about what you can do to
help the people in Israel. It was nearly two years
ago that the terrorists murdered more than twelve hundred innocent
Israelis and they took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today,
it seems as if the cries of the dead and
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dying have been drowned out by the shouts of anti
Semitism and just pure hatred, not just in America but
around the world. And the most brutal attack on Jewish
people happened. It happened since the Holocaust, and now it's
like they're trying to act like it never happened. Now,
this is where it is important for us to stand
with the people in Israel. It's a movement of love
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and support for the people of Israel, and this is
where I want you to get involved. It is called
Flags of Fellowship. It's being organized by the International Fellowship
of Christians and Jews. On October fifth, you can stand
with Israel and the victims proudly. Just a few weeks away,
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millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
twenty three, and stand with their grieving families. You can
be a part of this movement as well. And that's
what I love about what IFCJ does. They're making sure
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that the world knows there are lots of people of
faith in this country and friends and advocates for Israel.
They're going to stand with them, you can get more
information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement,
including your church. There are going to be countless church
around the country. They're going to plant flags as well.
So all you have to do to get involved with
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Flags of Fellowship movement is go to IFCJ dot org.
That's IFCJ dot org Stand with Israel on October fifth,
it's just a few weeks away. And if your church
you think would want to be involved, you can also
find out more about how to get your church to
be involved on a special Sunday at I have CJ
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dot org. That's if CJ dot org. One of the
things I think that is so cool that came out
of this that is just something that no one could
have planned, is how many people are now sharing their
own faith and sharing the gospel. You and I have
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talked more about our faith on this podcast in the
last two weeks than we have ever before. And it's
not that we're afraid to talk about our faith, but
we talk a lot about what's happening in the world
in politics, JD Vance said.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And that was something really profound. JD said as he
said that he often felt uncomfortable talking about faith. And
he made the same comment that he's talked more about
faith in the last two weeks than he has probably
in his entire life.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And I mean even this morning. I had two times.
I was on Fox this morning before the before it started,
and the entire conversation was not about politics. The entire
conversation was about faith. Yeah, that his life being taken
has given the opportunity for all of us to share faith,
and I think in a more bold way, in a
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more proud way, and a more I'm not afraid to
share my faith. I think sometimes I think I'm in
the world of politics and that's maybe not my place
to be doing that as much. I'm going to change
my mentality on that, I think forever moving forward.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And I can think of a very few sentiments that would
make Charlie happier than that.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, And it was the whole time, it was about faith.
If you look at today, I also think one of
the most incredible things was you and I were sitting
there with the most powerful people in the world, certainly
in the conservative movement, where we're all in the political world,
and the entire thing was about God. I've never seen
that before. I've never been a part of that before.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
No, And at the very end, President Trump spoke and
he gave I think, very remarks, But I want you
to listen to what he said, in particular about Erica
and her testimony. Here here, give a listen to Charlie's
incredible and beautiful widow.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Erica.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
We know the weight of this monumental loss is almost unbearable.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But even in the midst of heartache, pain too great to.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Even fathom, you have somehow found the strength and deep
faith to be a comfort to millions and millions of people.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
And thank you very much, Erica, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
You and I have seen Donald Trump give a lot
of speeches. This was one of the most I think, somber,
sincere and one of the most incredible speeches I think
by Donald Trump that had nothing to really do with him.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Well, and President Trump knew Charlie.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, Charlie has been a lot at least rattled by it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Charlie Charlie in the twenty sixteen campaign, was Don Junior's
body man. He traveled with Don Junior all over the
country and Charlie helped mobilize young people for the twenty
sixteen election. He helped mobilize young people for the twenty
twenty election. He played a really, really integral part in
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the victory in twenty twenty four. And President Trump has
spent a lot of time with Charlie Kirk. Just about
everyone in the White House has. I mean, it was
one of the things the entire White House has shaken.
This is not some distant person they don't know. This
touched almost everyone who works in the Trump administration had
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connections to Charlie, had personal connections, and they were shaken
by it. And you know, one of the bits of
news that broke this week that I thought it was
a small snippet, but it encapsulated who Charlie was well.
And Van Jones, you and I both know well he's
very much a man of the left and maybe even
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far left. He's not someone who you would typically envision
saying nice things about Charlie Kirk. But I want you
to listen to what he said in the last few
days about his last interaction with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact,
the last week of his life, we were beef and hard,
beefing online, beefing on air, but the day before he died,
he did something that shocked me. He sent me a
personal message calling for a personal dialogue, wanted me to
come on the show. He said we could be gentlemen together.
(32:41):
He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And
in the past week and a half, just watching people
talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff
coming out of his death, I just thought it was
important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk,
because the last day of his life he was reaching
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out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue
with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries. Me
and I just wanted to share that with the world,
and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
both sides deal with issues more like you did.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Then putting that out there immediately brought me to today. You
and I were sitting there and we looked over to
the right of us, and you leaned over and you said,
there's Elon. And several weeks or months ago, Charlie had
said that he wanted Donald Trump and Elon to make up. Yep.
We then a few minutes later see Elon in the
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box with President Trump. They hugged the President, patted him
on the chest, and he tweeted out a picture Elon
did of them talking, and all it said was for Charlie,
I mean, you want to talk about bringing people back together,
that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I will say I respect Van Jones for putting that out.
You know Van better than I do. But he didn't
have to put that out. He didn't have to say that.
And I do think it reflects who Charlie was, and
I think the entire memorial today reflected. It was a
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celebration of his life, and it was a proclamation of
the Gospel and that I'm really grateful to have been
friends with Charlie. I'm really grateful to have a chance
to be there for the celebration because I think it
is going to have really profound impacts on our country.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think we're going to end up finding out down
the road that today was one of the biggest days,
not in politics, with the biggest people in politics in
a room, but one of the biggest days for young
men and women accepting Christ. And I'm learning about the
Lord from this horrific moment in our history. And I
think you look at that bring all these people together
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the way that he was doing it. I think it's
going to change the way we have dialogue and conversation.
I think my demeanor's probably gonna be different. I'm still
going to fight the good fight, and I'm still going
to fight hard, but I want to have better conversations
while doing it. I think everybody's temperature is going to
change a little bit and how we interact the way
that Charlie did it. And I left there today, and
(35:32):
I don't know. I want to ask you this as
we wrap. I left there today more hopeful for the
future of this country, yes, than I have been in decades,
and more hopeful for the younger generation in this country
that they're going to see the light because I have
been very worried for quite some time. It's part of
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the reason why I do this is that we have
lost an entire generation to the radical left. I think
we are seeing a very quick pendulum shift that only
God could create and put people in a place to
do it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Absolutely. You know, I'm reminded of the Scripture Second Chronicles
seven fourteen. If my people who are called by my
name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face
and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear
from heaven, and I will forgive their sins, and I
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will heal their land. That has been my prayer for
a long time, and I think today was in a
very real sense a great many people in America calling
out for God to hear our prayer and to heal
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our land. And I pray that that is the outcome
the path we are on, that we see revival. Our
country needs it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Don't forget share this podcast please with your family and
your friends wherever they are, and I will see you
back here tomorrow.
I got to tell you today's show is a very
different show. I have just gotten back from Charlie Kirk's funeral.
I was there with Senata Cruz and we were there
to witness. I think what is going to go down
in history is one of the most important days in
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modern history when it comes to our faith, Christianity and
people coming to Christ. It was the biggest leaders in
the country in a room and it wasn't political. It
was about Charlie's life, his legacy and what he believed
in and how he wanted to bring people to Christ
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and wanted to bring people together and wanted to save
this country. And that to me was one of the
most amazing parts about the day. So we are going
to have a special show today with Senata Cruz and
I as we do our normal podcast together. But I
want you to hear it as we have just landed
back here and it's one am in the morning Central,
(01:02):
two o'clock Eastern right now, and I want you to
just hear about the day, what we saw, what we heard,
who we spoke with, and here is just us downloading
a day that I will never forget, that was filled
with love and joy and kindness, in the gospel.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Today was I think maybe one of the most incredible
things I've ever witnessed in my life. And I'm saying
that going to memorial service. But Centata, I think you
probably feel the exact same way that I do that
this was a day where I feel blessed. I feel
honored that we were able to be there, to be
a part of it. I feel like I'm watching a
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revival take place that is so much bigger than politics,
and I think what we've witnessed today was the start
of something that could transform this country. They're now saying
over a hundred million was number of streams coming out
of this event, and well over two hundred thousand people
showed up, the majority of them without a ticket to
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go to the memorial service.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It is right now, twelve nineteen am, Sunday night, early
Monday morning. You and I spent the entire day in
Arizona at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk, and I
got to say, this was a powerful day. It was powerful.
Number One, we were grieving our friend. Both you and
I knew Charlie really well. I talked to him not
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many weeks ago. You know, I met him when he
was eighteen years old. And the last two weeks have
been a hard week. You and I both watched our
friend murdered on live video online, and the agony we
felt was felt without iperbole, by millions of Americans who
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Charlie had touched. There was grief, there was grieving, but
I got to tell you, as much as there was
grief and then there were certainly tears. There were tears
for Erica, tears for his two children that will never
know their daddy. But today the atmosphere, more than anything,
was one of celebration. It was one of celebrating a
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life well lived. It was one of celebrating a legacy
an example. You know, I got to say, none of
us know when.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
We will go.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We don't know if we'll be here tomorrow. We don't
know if we'll be here in ten years and twenty years,
in fifty years. But I will tell you there's not
a one of us who wouldn't hope to be remembered
the way Charlie was today. Yeah, I mean, what a
life well lived and what a celebration. And you mentioned revival,
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that was a term that was used over and over
and over again by speakers today, and there was a
feel of there was a feel you know. I saw
the Babylon Bee had a story today about the devil saying,
uh oh, I went too far, And I gotta say
it is amazing, you know. Earlier today, Charlie Kirk's producer
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of his podcast sent out a tweet and the tweet said,
I was just told that we have more press interest
in sunday celebration of Charlie Kirk's life and legacy than
there is for the Super Bowl. The Gospel of Jesus
Christ is about to be proclaimed to the largest audience
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in the history of humanity. To God be the Glory.
And I got to say. A friend of mine who's
a pastor, he texted that to me, and I just said, Amen,
God is sovereign and God is good. And look, none
of us know why God allowed this ranged killer to
take Charlie's life, to take it too early, to take
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it at just age thirty one. But I have to say,
is it is breathtaking. Number One, I think it is
very likely that in the last two weeks more people
have listened to Charlie Kirk than listened in his entire life.
It has been amazing the penetration, and this was it did.
(05:26):
It felt like a Billy Graham revival. And the degree
to which you know, I'll tell you Friday night, I
was at a youth summit in Texas and two to
three thousand young people came out to it. The attendance
more than doubled what it typically was, and it ended
(05:47):
up being just a remembrance of Charlie Kirk. And I
spoke at it. I'll tell you. At the beginning, a
pastor preached and about two hundred young people gave their
lives to cry at a gathering.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's incredible in Texas on a Friday night, and that
it was staggering. This you know, this was in the
football stadium in Phoenix, Arizona. It's a huge stadium. People
started showing up at four and four thirty in the
morning to line up to get in. And if you
were there, I ran into people who were there by
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eight am. They didn't get in. The program started at eleven.
If you showed up at eight, you didn't make it in.
And and and the over one hundred million views is
astonishing and powerful, and I think transformational. The Gospel was
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proclaimed to millions today, and I think a lot of
people in the United States and across the world are
listening to what is said and and are are moved.
And you know, I'm reminded of Jesus in the New Testament.
Gives the parallel of the parable, and gives the parable
of sowing seeds, and sowing seeds is spreading the gospel.
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And some of the seeds fall on rocky soil. Uh,
some of the seeds are eaten by birds. But some
of the seeds fall in fertile ground, and and and
they take root, and they bear fruit and and not
everyone who watched and listened to the service today is
going to have their life transformed. But A but I
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think an astonishing number are and and I pray and
I think you do too, that that that revival comes
from this, that that that Charlie's death becomes a moment,
particularly for young people, for young people to say, you
know what, what he had? I want my life to
I want that kind of piece. I want that satisfaction.
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I want the joy of getting married and having kids
and having a life where I'm a husband and a
father and and and I know that that that that
God loves me, and I have a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ. And I think Charlie's life was a powerful
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been an even more powerful testament to that.
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I want to paint a picture for people that weren't there,
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so you understand. Many of you, we know, I'm sure
watched online as we know from the number of streams.
It's just incredible. But from the moment that I left Houston,
you and I flew separately and I was flying in
to when we touched down in Arizona, amazing grace broke
(10:43):
out on the plane.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And I was able to play that video because that
video is beautiful, to describe it, paint the scene and
then play the video.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, we landed and it was an organic moment that
you're on.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
A United flight.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, this is not Southwest is the best way I
can describe it. This is a United flight. This is
not normal on a United flight, and it just started
and and I want to play it for you because
you're gonna hear the very end of what I what,
what I was able to witness, which was just incredible,
And I grabbed my phone out because I was I
(11:20):
wanted to just share it. And it was as we
landed and it was just people singing amazing grace on
a United flight number one. What a testimony to to everyone.
Incredible testimony from just a standpoint of the flight attendants
and in the in the the there was there was
I think it was pretty clear there was tears in
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the eyes of one of the pilots when we were
walking off the plane and the people were singing, and
I want to play it for you, and it went
viral yesterday and then Fox News played it this morning
when I was on. They put it up on Fox
News dot com and it's hit millions and millions of views,
and that just tells you the power I think of
of Charlie's legacy. But but listen to this on the plane.
(12:00):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
For Charlie.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I mean, you can hear it there, and it was
it was a moment that I'm thankful I was able
to capture on video.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But that was the mood. And I think the other thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You got up early this morning and you went to
the stadium to do Maria's show. I got up early
as well and was going to go do Fox beforehand.
The number of people that were at the stadium without
a ticket, that just on blind faith because they felt
like they just needed to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
They just went and they were going to get.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Idiom six in the morning, and there was a line
of people. It wasn't one or two, it was a
steady line. And you know what, it looked like the
Super Bowl. It looked like the Final Four or if
you know, any major sporting event, except this was at
six in the morning, and it was a constant line
of people just walking to the stadium. They wanted to
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pay their respects to Charlie. They wanted to honor his legacy.
They wanted to give thanks, give thanks for a life
well lived, and and and that that was incredibly impactful.
And I will say we heard a lot of really
powerful remarks, a lineup of one after the other after
the other. I will say, by far, the most impactful
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speech was from Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, And and you
and I we were sitting next to each other in
the memorial and we both looked at each other and
said the same thing. When she finished, we just said wow,
like it was.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It was.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It actually reminded me of years ago. If you remember
Ben Carson's speech at the National Prayer Breakfast that he
gave a speech or the Obama presidency, and it went
viral nationally, and it it launched Ben Carson, and it
it made him a national superstar. Erica's speech had had
that power. And I think for a lot of people
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who had never seen her before that they were turning
on their TV, they were opening their phone or their computer.
The strength.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It took.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
To give that speech less than two weeks after you've
lost your husband, less than two weeks after you've lost
the father of your kids, it boggles the mind. And
you could see her before she went up, just stopping
and just just praying, God give me the strength to
make it through this, and and and and she was
so openly relying on on on God's strength. That's part
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of what made it so unbelievably powerful. I'll tell you
at the beginning, she made a really important point, a
point distinguishing what the reaction was across American across the
world to Charlie's murder compared to something like like George
Floyd being killed and the riots and everything that played out.
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Give a listen to what Erica Kirk said on this point.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Most of all, God's mercy and God's love have been
revealed to me these past ten days after Charlie's assassination.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We didn't see violence, we didn't see rioting, we didn't
see revolution. Instead, we saw what my husband, oh, he's
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afraid he would see in this country.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
We saw revival.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
When she walked up there, I was choked up. You were,
and I think everyone every tears in their eyes. Yeah,
it was how is she going to do this? You
and I had the conversation. I don't know if I
could have done that. And we do this for a living.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, you and I speak a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, that's part of I think, just watching God work
in that room. I walked to that room earlier in
the day, you and I. You came back after Maria
and I left early because we knew it was just
there were so many people there. I abandoned the car
and walked a mile and a half just trying to
get into the stadium and seeing all the people that
weren't going to get in, and they were joyful, they
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weren't angry, they were praying.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I saw groups holding him.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
There's a whole second stadium filled with people watching it
that we're just watching it on TV.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and I walked in.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I finally got inside and was meeting one of the
Fox producers to get down to the risers, and they
were singing the worship music that you and I hear
at church when we go on Sundays before the pastor speaks.
I literally on Fox and I'm not a crier, but
like talking about now it's even because this has been
an incredible and a sad but amazing day. I told
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them on air, I was like, I've never felt in
my life the Holy Spirit's presence and the way that
I felt it today. Ever, and I'm forty three and
I've been to some pretty cool, amazing Christian events, promise
keepers and different things that you've been to. It was
a feeling I will never forget. And it was very
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clear that God's presence were there. And if you were
in that room, and I hope if you were watching
it on TV, you felt it too, because what she
was able to do was by the grace of God,
who gave her the power and the strength to do it,
because on your own, no one could do that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Absolutely that there was one portion of her speech that
I think will go down as the most memorable, the
most consequential, and the most profound, and I want to
want you to just just to listen to it, because,
to be honest, if you heard nothing else that happened
today at Charlie Kirk's memorial service, hear these two minutes,
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because this was the entirety of the service boiled down
in two minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
My husband, Charlie.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He wanted to save.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Young men.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Just like the one who took his life, that young man,
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that young.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Man on the cross.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
What they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I forgive him because it was what Christ did and
is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Is not hate.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The answer we know from the Gospel is love and
always love, love for our enemies, and love for those
who persecute us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You and I were there on the second row watching
those words, and you and I talked about it afterwards.
I don't know if I could have done that that quickly.
I know God says that we're supposed to forgive those
who have wronged us. But you want to talk about
a ministry to the world in that moment. If you
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are not a Christian, you have to be asking yourself
a question. What is it that she has that I
don't How could she forgive in this moment? And why
would Charlie want her to forgive after what happened to Charlie.
It doesn't mean that we don't want justice, but wow.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Look when she said that, I had tears in my eyes,
You had tears in your eyes. Every one of us
one hundred thousand people had tears in her eyes. And
when she started on that, when she referenced Jesus on
the Cross, I knew where it was going. I knew
what she was planning to say, and she was holding
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my breath for because look, you just you and I
both had this conversation spontaneously walking out. To be honest,
I don't think I could say that I would want to,
it would be the right thing to do to do,
I like, I cannot imagine being in the situation she
is in and getting those words out, not just breaking down,
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not breaking down with rage, breaking down with tears and
in it was it was the Holy Spirit that helped
her get that out, because there's no there is not
a human strength that can say that. And one of
the amazing things, I mean, we talked a minute ago
about this being one of, if not the largest presentation
of the Gospel in history. What you just said, you
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and I talked about there are millions of people who
watch this who are not Christians who have to have said,
where did that come from? I don't understand. Why would
you forgive someone who murdered your husband? Yeah, and that
I hope and pray and believe that it caused many
people to say, you know, maybe I should ask a
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few more questions about about Jesus. Maybe maybe I should
go read the Bible. Maybe did Jesus really say on
the cross, Father, forgive them for they know not what
they do? Why would he say that when they were
murdering him. That's what Jesus said as he was nailed
to the cross, as he was hanging there dying. Yeah,
Jesus asked God to forgive the people who killed him.
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And it was you know, I'll tell you. I saw
on Twitter a tweet from a woman named Sanna IBRAHEMI
and I don't don't know her, but this this tweet
struck struck me. I'm just gonna read it to you.
I retweeted it. I listened to Erica Kirk's full speech
at the memorial, and I want to share a few
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thoughts that came to me while live streaming the event.
This is not political. First, I should say that I
grew up as a Muslim in a Muslim country. I
don't know enough about Christianity to say if what I
witnessed is rooted in faith or culture. But what struck
me most is how, even though death is heavy and
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this was by nature a sad occasion, the entire event
carried a celebratory spirit that honored life. That contrast hit
me deeply. In Islam, even though we believe that good
people go to heaven, the relationship with God is taught
through fear. Funerals are overwhelmingly sad, often filled with warnings
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of the terrifying first night in the grave. Growing up
hearing that and then witnessing people's celebrate life, speak of
God's love and remember someone through the impact he had
on others, it felt so refreshing and positive. Second, I
was profoundly moved by Erica Kirk's words. I cannot fathom
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the strength it takes to stand and deliver such a
meaningful speech after losing the love of your life. But
even more than that, the grace it takes to forgive
the very perse person who destroyed your world. I cannot
imagine myself standing on a stage sending love to those
who cheered your husband's murder, or inviting others to spread
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God's love in response, because, as she said, we do
not respond to hate with hate. That is powerful beyond words. Again,
I am ignorant when it comes to Christianity, but if
this is what it truly embodies, then I am envious
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of those who get to experience that feeling. I think
this young lady is not alone, and I think that
message touched millions. And I got to say it was
an incredible privilege to be there and witness it firsthand
and be part of I think, what is a significant
moment in the history of America and maybe the history
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of the.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
World to take a moment and I want to talk
to you real quick about what you can do to
help the people in Israel. It was nearly two years
ago that the terrorists murdered more than twelve hundred innocent
Israelis and they took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today,
it seems as if the cries of the dead and
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dying have been drowned out by the shouts of anti
Semitism and just pure hatred, not just in America but
around the world. And the most brutal attack on Jewish
people happened. It happened since the Holocaust, and now it's
like they're trying to act like it never happened. Now,
this is where it is important for us to stand
with the people in Israel. It's a movement of love
(26:41):
and support for the people of Israel, and this is
where I want you to get involved. It is called
Flags of Fellowship. It's being organized by the International Fellowship
of Christians and Jews. On October fifth, you can stand
with Israel and the victims proudly. Just a few weeks away,
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millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
twenty three, and stand with their grieving families. You can
be a part of this movement as well. And that's
what I love about what IFCJ does. They're making sure
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that the world knows there are lots of people of
faith in this country and friends and advocates for Israel.
They're going to stand with them, you can get more
information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement,
including your church. There are going to be countless church
around the country. They're going to plant flags as well.
So all you have to do to get involved with
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Flags of Fellowship movement is go to IFCJ dot org.
That's IFCJ dot org Stand with Israel on October fifth,
it's just a few weeks away. And if your church
you think would want to be involved, you can also
find out more about how to get your church to
be involved on a special Sunday at I have CJ
(28:04):
dot org. That's if CJ dot org. One of the
things I think that is so cool that came out
of this that is just something that no one could
have planned, is how many people are now sharing their
own faith and sharing the gospel. You and I have
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talked more about our faith on this podcast in the
last two weeks than we have ever before. And it's
not that we're afraid to talk about our faith, but
we talk a lot about what's happening in the world
in politics, JD Vance said.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And that was something really profound. JD said as he
said that he often felt uncomfortable talking about faith. And
he made the same comment that he's talked more about
faith in the last two weeks than he has probably
in his entire life.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And I mean even this morning. I had two times.
I was on Fox this morning before the before it started,
and the entire conversation was not about politics. The entire
conversation was about faith. Yeah, that his life being taken
has given the opportunity for all of us to share faith,
and I think in a more bold way, in a
(29:13):
more proud way, and a more I'm not afraid to
share my faith. I think sometimes I think I'm in
the world of politics and that's maybe not my place
to be doing that as much. I'm going to change
my mentality on that, I think forever moving forward.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And I can think of a very few sentiments that would
make Charlie happier than that.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, And it was the whole time, it was about faith.
If you look at today, I also think one of
the most incredible things was you and I were sitting
there with the most powerful people in the world, certainly
in the conservative movement, where we're all in the political world,
and the entire thing was about God. I've never seen
that before. I've never been a part of that before.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
No, And at the very end, President Trump spoke and
he gave I think, very remarks, But I want you
to listen to what he said, in particular about Erica
and her testimony. Here here, give a listen to Charlie's
incredible and beautiful widow.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Erica.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
We know the weight of this monumental loss is almost unbearable.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But even in the midst of heartache, pain too great to.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Even fathom, you have somehow found the strength and deep
faith to be a comfort to millions and millions of people.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
And thank you very much, Erica, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
You and I have seen Donald Trump give a lot
of speeches. This was one of the most I think, somber,
sincere and one of the most incredible speeches I think
by Donald Trump that had nothing to really do with him.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Well, and President Trump knew Charlie.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, Charlie has been a lot at least rattled by it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Charlie Charlie in the twenty sixteen campaign, was Don Junior's
body man. He traveled with Don Junior all over the
country and Charlie helped mobilize young people for the twenty
sixteen election. He helped mobilize young people for the twenty
twenty election. He played a really, really integral part in
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the victory in twenty twenty four. And President Trump has
spent a lot of time with Charlie Kirk. Just about
everyone in the White House has. I mean, it was
one of the things the entire White House has shaken.
This is not some distant person they don't know. This
touched almost everyone who works in the Trump administration had
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connections to Charlie, had personal connections, and they were shaken
by it. And you know, one of the bits of
news that broke this week that I thought it was
a small snippet, but it encapsulated who Charlie was well.
And Van Jones, you and I both know well he's
very much a man of the left and maybe even
(32:07):
far left. He's not someone who you would typically envision
saying nice things about Charlie Kirk. But I want you
to listen to what he said in the last few
days about his last interaction with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact,
the last week of his life, we were beef and hard,
beefing online, beefing on air, but the day before he died,
he did something that shocked me. He sent me a
personal message calling for a personal dialogue, wanted me to
come on the show. He said we could be gentlemen together.
(32:41):
He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And
in the past week and a half, just watching people
talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff
coming out of his death, I just thought it was
important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk,
because the last day of his life he was reaching
(33:03):
out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue
with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries. Me
and I just wanted to share that with the world,
and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
both sides deal with issues more like you did.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Then putting that out there immediately brought me to today. You
and I were sitting there and we looked over to
the right of us, and you leaned over and you said,
there's Elon. And several weeks or months ago, Charlie had
said that he wanted Donald Trump and Elon to make up. Yep.
We then a few minutes later see Elon in the
(33:47):
box with President Trump. They hugged the President, patted him
on the chest, and he tweeted out a picture Elon
did of them talking, and all it said was for Charlie,
I mean, you want to talk about bringing people back together,
that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I will say I respect Van Jones for putting that out.
You know Van better than I do. But he didn't
have to put that out. He didn't have to say that.
And I do think it reflects who Charlie was, and
I think the entire memorial today reflected. It was a
(34:27):
celebration of his life, and it was a proclamation of
the Gospel and that I'm really grateful to have been
friends with Charlie. I'm really grateful to have a chance
to be there for the celebration because I think it
is going to have really profound impacts on our country.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think we're going to end up finding out down
the road that today was one of the biggest days,
not in politics, with the biggest people in politics in
a room, but one of the biggest days for young
men and women accepting Christ. And I'm learning about the
Lord from this horrific moment in our history. And I
think you look at that bring all these people together
(35:09):
the way that he was doing it. I think it's
going to change the way we have dialogue and conversation.
I think my demeanor's probably gonna be different. I'm still
going to fight the good fight, and I'm still going
to fight hard, but I want to have better conversations
while doing it. I think everybody's temperature is going to
change a little bit and how we interact the way
that Charlie did it. And I left there today, and
(35:32):
I don't know. I want to ask you this as
we wrap. I left there today more hopeful for the
future of this country, yes, than I have been in decades,
and more hopeful for the younger generation in this country
that they're going to see the light because I have
been very worried for quite some time. It's part of
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the reason why I do this is that we have
lost an entire generation to the radical left. I think
we are seeing a very quick pendulum shift that only
God could create and put people in a place to
do it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Absolutely. You know, I'm reminded of the Scripture Second Chronicles
seven fourteen. If my people who are called by my
name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face
and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear
from heaven, and I will forgive their sins, and I
(36:33):
will heal their land. That has been my prayer for
a long time, and I think today was in a
very real sense a great many people in America calling
out for God to hear our prayer and to heal
(36:55):
our land. And I pray that that is the outcome
the path we are on, that we see revival. Our
country needs it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Don't forget share this podcast please with your family and
your friends wherever they are, and I will see you
back here tomorrow.
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