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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Election interference, Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts.
With Donald Trump being found guilty yesterday in New York, now,
Republican donors are digging in, saying no surrender. Major GOP
donors rallying overnight behind Donald Trump, pledging millions of dollars
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after the guilty verdict, saying quote, we are going all in.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
A host of major GOP donors pledging millions of dollars
in support for former President Donald Trump after he was
found guilty on all thirty four counts in this kangaroo
court in the Manhattan business records trial.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Many conservative donors already viewed the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
New York case as a political case solely by design,
echoing Republican President of Kennet's view, the Democrat crats want
to discredit and weaken Trump ahead of November the fifth
election against Joe Biden by saying he's a convicted felon.
Reuters is now reporting the large group of donors are
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more than happy to put their money where their mouth is,
where their beliefs are, and offer financial support to Donald
Trump ahead of this twenty twenty four full speed campaign trail.
The outlet pointed to mega donors, including casino billionaire Adelson
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and hotel giant Robert Bigelow, as having lined up behind Trump,
with their donation set to bolster wave of pro Trump ads,
door knocking and phone banking in battleground states. Donald Trump
found guilty convicted on all thirty four counts, saying this
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is far from over Reuters further adding this, the verdict
also spurred some longtime Trump donors to boost their financial
support for Donald Trump and in at least one case,
makes a big donation to him for the very first time.
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Robert Bigelow, among Trump's top supporters, already have given over
nine million to an outside group supporting him, said the
criminal proceedings against the former president were a disgrace, saying quote,
I'm sending President Trump another five million, as I promised
him another five million, the mega donor said to Reuters.
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Upbeat Silicon Valley tech investor Sean McGuire posts on social
media side acts after the verdict that he had donated
three hundred thousand dollars to support Trump as well, saying
the timing isn't a coincidence. Don Tepia, a former Trump
ambassador to Jamaica, confirmed the outlet that he and a
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small network of family and friends with whom he donates,
had planned to give around two hundred and fifty thousand
to the election to support Trump, saying this. After the conviction,
Tapia told Reuters his group hasn't waivered and would aim
to give over one million to the pro Trump's spending
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group MAGA Inc. In the coming weeks, saying this, we
are going all in for him. He also sent Ruters
a photo of an American flag flying upside down outside
his home in Paradise Valley, Arizona, to protest the verdict.
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Even CNN sang last night, there is a chance that
a Trump guilty verdict is going to fire massively for
the Democratic Party massively.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Of course, Melissa is still here with me, So Scott,
your reaction and what are you hearing now You've had
a chance to really talk to a whole lot of Republicans.
Get on the phone. What are you hearing from them?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, if my phone on the text messages I'm receiving,
or any indication every Republican in the country is matter
in a wet hen. I mean people who are decidedly
non MAGA not. Trump fans are blowing up tonight saying
this case never should have been brought. This is ridiculous charges.
It was egregious use of the criminal justice system. And
I mean, I'm hearing people say I had no intention
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of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am. And
then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening, you know,
they literally broke their online donation portal because people were
rushing to the internet to give them money in the
minutes after the verdict. So I think there's a real
chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats
and help Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
All right, let me I just want to hold this
up on the screen. This is the website that you're
referring to, the fundraising page that the Trump campaign uses
for donations. It did go down soon after the verdict.
Now we're not sure yet why formerly, Scott, but you're right,
people are speculating that it's because so many people wanted
to donate that it got overloaded. It's back up now,
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So do you really think this is going to be
a fundraising bonanza. I mean, we have seen this, Scott, obviously,
on the back of every single indictment, right or conviction,
but obviously this is the first criminal case. So do
you think that's what we're going to see?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And I'm not speculating. I mean, the Trump campaign told
me directly their portal was overloaded, but that's why they
think it went down. But yeah, I think people are
going to go because they're mad. They believe that, after
everything that's happened with Donald Trump over the last several years,
that you're going to convict this guy on a bunch
of felonies over sex paperwork. It sounds crazy to anyone
who is not in the left wing fever swamps. And
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so yeah, I think there's a danger here for demic
cras this blows up in their face. And now Trump's unleashed.
He can campaign, he can have rallies, he can say
whatever he wants, and I suspect he's going to go
out and make a powerful argument.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
All right, So a list to the point that Scott
just made. He's saying people who said they weren't going
to vote for Trump now feel like they might Republicans, Right,
I mean, do you think it's possible that that happens,
that this has a galvanizing effect that is much broader
and more significant than anything else. Yet it's certainly possible.
Scott is absolutely correct and how this is being received
by Republicans writ large, But I'm not certain that. I
think there's a wide swath of Republicans or moderates who
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may vote for Republicans that are like, this is what's
making me the porn star hush money case. Now I've
got to get out and vote for Donald Trump. But
I know I sound like a broken record.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
What we'll decide where those voters go is the Biden
campaign's ability to message why this matters and why he's unfit.
Because Donald Trump is remarkably good at having historia gets out,
having everyone singing from the same shot of music. They're
all out talking about the fundraising as we speak. Biden's
largely quiet. So there is a world in which it
really helped.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Do you think that Biden spending the day tomorrow? So,
I mean, we don't know what he's gonna do. I'm
probably gonna come out and do something right now. He's
not scheduled too, but I would imagine you would recommend
come out, come out fast and hot.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Absolutely, you should have all his surrogates, the vice president
should be out there they should be doing campaign eventsing,
are we really going to elect our first convicted felon,
by the way, when a lot of Republicans want to
take away Selon's rights to vote, or we're gonna put
one in office? Like there's a whole message there. But
he's got to do it. And I'm not sure he's
going to Scott.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I'm not sure he's going to why well, it's going
to open him up to major problems as well. But
you heard it there, even TNN saying they worry this
could be a quote major back fire. Donald Trump found
guilty on all charges in New York. I say it's
shocking for a simple reason. It is shocking to me
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because I really can't believe this is happening in America.
I also will say this at the very same time,
I'm not surprised I found him guilty, because this was
the entire intent from the beginning. You find a jury
that hates him, in a place that hates him, with
a judge that hates him, that's given to Joe Biden,
with a da who ran on locking up Donald Trump,
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with prosecutors on your team that took demotions from their
big jobs to come and get a conviction of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That was the ballgame, and it worked flawlessly.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Now the question is will there be a repercussion for
their actions and what's next when it comes to sentencing.
As I mentioned earlier, Senator Cruz and I sat down
late last night to have that conversation of what's next,
and I want you to hear what.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He has to say.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Senator, I want to talk of what happens next. He
was found guilty on all counts. Some don't even know
what they were even charging him with, including I think
Donald Trump, because the rules changed at the last minute.
We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's
look at the immediate few future. There's a sentencing is
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that is coming the same week as a Republican national convention.
There is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could
be in jail or b could be under house arrest,
and that means he wouldn't be able to go to
his own convention.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How is that not alone election?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Well, man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the
illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired. Is we saw
Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to
bet emotions. I am, on one level, furious this is
an outlet. It is it is a disgusting assault on democracy,
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of the rule of ball. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroken.
I believe that our justice system, our justice is supposed
to provide equal justice under law. And you know, yesterday
and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, he talked about
the different possible outcomes. We talked about the miracle that
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could happen, which would be an acquittal, which I would have
loved to have seen. And we talked about the possibility
of a hung jury. One juror out of twelve people.
One dream will not be part of this sparse I
will not be part of this, this charade. I'm done, no, no, no.
The justice system is not meant to attack your political opponent,
and I won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen.
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Twelve New Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now will
I will say a significant part of that was, no doubt,
driven by the absurd jury instructions given by the judge.
This judge has made the New York justice system into
a global laughing stock, and across the planet, people know
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that the justice system in New York doesn't follow the
rule of law. It doesn't care about each under law. Instead,
it is a tool to attack your political lenity. That
makes me sad. That's not the way our justice system
is supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well,
Trump has been released on his own recongnizzance. The next
step is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days
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before the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are
a series of steps, including Trump has to go to
a pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to
a psychiatrist or psychologist. They prepare a report, all of
the steps that are standard after someone is convicted that
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a report gets presented to the judge to help the
judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out
about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention.
I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial
is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going
to make a prediction right now. The chances that this
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conviction is overturned on appeal I believe are one hundred
point zero percent. It will be overturned on a field
I think the judge knows that. I think the judge
in this trial, then oober Backwards, did everything possible give
jury instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court. President
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did not require the jury to be unanimous on all
the elements of the crial. Let the jury nix and
match and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this
from a misumeter to a felony. All of that is
reversible error. The judge knows that, but I don't think
he cares. I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the
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objective here is not to get a conviction that sticks,
is not put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is
to stare him. Within minutes of the verdict coming down,
the Biden Whitehouse put out a statement referring to him
as a quote convicted fela. That was the entire point
of all of this. We will hear the words convicted
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felon referring to Donald Trump, I'm democratic from the corporate
media one billion times between now and election day. Every
other sentence they say will say bellot, bello, bello, bello, bellot.
That was the point, and they know what'll be reversed
on appeal, but that will happen after election day, and
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this is all their effort to try to stop the
American people from reelection Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back
to the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He
went rogue on sentence him. He went rogue from the beginning.
He's a donor to Biden. If he knows Senator, and
we use what you just said, that he knows it's
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going to be overturned, why the hell wouldn't he throw
Donald Trump in jail or under house arrest where he
can't travel.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Look, I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he would
love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, to
throw him in the pit of despair, to use the
Prince's Bride analogy. He would do everything in anything he could.
But I also I don't have any indication that this
judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. I think
he hates Trump, and I think he's willing to abuse
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his power. But a sling, he's not stupid. I don't
know that if he orders Donald Trump sent to jail,
that will be subject to an immediate appeal, and I
think the immediate appeal would be successful. I don't know
if it would be the state courts of New York
or if it would be the federal courts, but I
don't think the courts are going to allow the presumptive
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Republican nominee, and I think likely the next president of
the United States to be hauled away to Riker's Island.
By the way, New York State is also a state
where you can assault the police officer, you can punch
a little old lady in the face on the street,
you can practically rape or murder someone, and these imbeciles
won't send you to jail. But if your crime as
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being a Republican who was the leading candidate for president,
you're right, this partisan judge just fight said go to jail,
but I think he won't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where
I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more
valuable to not put him under house arrests or put
him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell in
through election day.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Then it's overturned after election day, and you interfere with
the election results. And if you actually put.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Him in jail or under house arrests, then it would
escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may actually be
found innocent.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Not innocent. But listen, I think the judge is not
going to put Trump in jail because it would be
bad politics. This is not law, this is not criminal
justice's politics. It would be bad politics because it would
force the appellate courts to act. And I think not
either the partisan judge or the partisan DA want the
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appellate courts to give a victory for Donald Trump before November.
So they're not gonna do anything I think to tee
up a legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They
want any legal victory for Trump to be after November.
And I will say, I will give her one caveat.
I could see some scenario or the Trump issue issue,
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some sort of house arrest order says you got to
stay at our lago, you gotta wear an ankle bracelet.
I don't think the judge will do that, but it
is conceivable. But you're allowed to go to the convention
and give the convention speech. You're allowed to go to
the debate and participate in the debate. That that house
arrest with enough exceptions that it is not transparently election interference.
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It's just obvious to anyone with an IQ above twelve
that it's election interference that is not outside the realm
of possibility. I think that probably doesn't happen either, But
I do not think the judge would be foolish enough
to order it set to jail, because I think it
would force a rapid appellate reversal of that's terrible policy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I also want you to hear the second part of
my conversation with him about the legal chances moving forward
for Trump to get something done before election day.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Listen to this, Senator.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Let me ask you another question, and this is one
that I've been asked a lot over the last ten
hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and
there is a divide when it comes to this court case,
and there's been a lot of anger by a lot
of conservatives that said, see, I told you so, we
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should have gone after one of the liberals out there
that was committing crimes and gone after them, to say
to the Democrats, if you do that to Donald Trump,
We're gonna come back and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Do it to you, and Now there's people that say, well,
there it is. The cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
This is law fair and if we're not willing to
do it back to them, they're gonna keep doing it
to us. Give me your reaction of people like that
are extremely frustrated on that aspect of us that we're
we're playing by the rules they're not, and yet they're winning.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Look, I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the
other side, the other side is willing to destroy the
role of law. They're willing to destroy the dciary, They're
willing to destroy our country, uh in persona partisan power,
and and it is It's why I'm so sadday. You know.
I was on Sean Hannity yesterday. I was on John
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Hennity tonight. Yesterday. Sean and I got in a little
bit of an argument because the jury was still pending,
and I said, look, I'm holding out hope that maybe
one juror will say no and there'll be a hung jury.
And I'll tell you, Sean laughed at me and he said, no,
New York is too far gone. It's not gonna happen.
Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York
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and I didn't want to believe it. I gotta say
John was right. This this justice system, the justice system,
I don't know that it ever recovers from this. It
will always be known as a Democrat, Banana Republican. If
you're a Republican in New York. I think there are
a lot of in New York who are calling their
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real estate agents who are looking to leave New York.
If they say, Okay, you cannot count on the rule
of law in this state. I understand the sentiment. If
they're going to burn it down, it we ought to
burn it down. In the views our power, I don't
agree with that. I I at the end of the day,
I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the rule
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of law. I don't want power reviews by either side now,
but me that that you get the other side a
free past. My view, I've said many times I I
don't want a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want
a Democrat Department of Justice. I want a department of
justice that follows the law and that prosecutes the individuals
who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, for example,
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I hope if we in January we have a new
president if Donald Trump is reelected, which is what I
hope will happen, and we have a new Department of Justice.
I hope right at the outset, they open investigations into
the funding of these anti American and anti Israel and
anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and they trace down,
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follow the money, and they find out our terrorists finding
financing this, our foreign countries financing this. I hope they
use the full investigatory resources of the Department of Justice
to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Note, I'm not saying that because I have a target
I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because
I see the evidence of a crime and I want
the Justice Department to investigate that. I'm in the prosecute
whoever is guilty, And sadly, I don't believe the Justice
Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the foot
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side of what they're doing is they will abuse power
to target their enemies, and they will also abuse power
by protecting their friends. And so I get the vindictive instinct,
but I think it's the wrong answer. I think we
should demonstrate that the rule of law matters, and by
the way, there is plenty of real criminality that prosecutors
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can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse of power
we've seen from Democrats in these cases against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, let's talk about the politics of what we
mentioned at the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We know from the White House.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
The words that we're going to hear over and over
again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted fellon,
convicted felon.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
There is a convicted fella.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, right exactly. So how powerful is that going to
be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side.
I had two people walk up to me today this
afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation
in my life, but damn it, tonight when the website
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gets back up, it crashed multiple times because some of
you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to
write a big check. And one of them said to me,
I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen
seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is
someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire
life to any political campaign, local, state, or national, And
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he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm
going to get involved.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now, I think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of patriots out there and new patriots who are going
to probably make that decision. But there's also center the
other side, Democrats are going to be inspired by this.
It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their
hatred for Donald Trump is now backfront and center.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't
believe this decision will change the outcome of the election
in November. I think it's baked in the in the cape.
I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so much they
we're gonna vote against him in November. They're still gonna
vote against him, and and and and this this is
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revenge born for them that that they're just living their fantasy. Yeah. Uh.
In terms of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right.
The Trump website collapse win Red, which is the portal
to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight.
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So I think a lot of people went and said,
I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running
this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will
energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say
you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say
you don't particularly like it, maybe you strongly opponent. If
you care about the rule of laws, you ought to
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be outbreaking about this. If you care about actually a
justice system that is not simply a tool to attack
your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen,
if you go down to Latin America, you'd have a
banana republics. My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened tonight.
There are banana republics practice countries that understand what happened
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to night, which is one party gets in power and
they use the justice system to try to lock up
their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. If
you don't want that to happen to America, even if
you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be very
upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at the
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beginning of this is that there would be two to
three to five percent of voters. You are not very engaged,
you are not paying attention a lot who will decide
the last couple of weeks before election day, and if
they hear the word fell and fell and Fellon repeated
a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for
a Felon, and so we'll vote for Ride. I'm really skeptical.
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I don't think it's played out that way. I think
most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, recognize this
was a political persecution, and so I don't see this
changing votes. And I think even some Democrats and some
in the media have backed away from their fervor from
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this because they see it backfired to some extent now
not tonight. They're not backing away because they're too jubilant.
This is too much. This is cathartic, and this is ecstasy,
and this is shot in Freud, all unfolding at once.
But at the end of the day, I don't see
this changing the outcome on election.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Final question for you on this, and it deals with
the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you
can separate what this judge did from the corruption of
the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left
the DOJ to go work on this case. We know
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that Alvin Bragg ran on this, We know he raised
money off of it. We know that this judge has
as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising
the Democratic Party. Uh. And this all was orchestrated from
from the Biden administration down.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from
it like this is we stood back.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
We were just watching the wills of justice and and
and and and a man be found accountable by a
jury of his peers. That is clearly going to be
their line. But make no mistake, none of this would
have happened without the direction, uh of Biden. I said today,
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America has its own Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now his name is is Biden.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Joe Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his
political opponent and trying to lock them up.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know, in law, if you look at something like
anti trust law, there's a concept in law called conscious parallelism,
which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly.
But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting
according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin
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Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I
agree that the Biden, Joe Biden has been dictatorially's abused
his power. But I think Alvian Bragg is a petty
dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran
on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the
first indictment. I think a lot of Democrats are kind
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of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy.
They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately,
the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at
d OJ, who had been a Democrat donor before in
a Democrat themselves, and they sent him to be part
of the trial team. So the Biden d OJ got
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in bed with this partisan prosecution. But but I'm not
convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of
the White House. I just think he hates Trump's guts.
So does everyone in the bidend Oj, Biden, the White House,
so does Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just
about every wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't
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say it as as much a direction from the White
House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump
derangement syndrome where they're willing to burn it all down,
to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice
system because they hate the Trumps so much, and they've
convinced themselves if he is re elected, if he's president,
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it's the end of democracy. I mean, we played on
Wednesday's pod Robert de Niro going on and on that'll
be the last election ever if Trump is elected, which
is just it's arrange, it's unhim. But I don't think
de Niro is lying in that. I think he believes
every word he says. I suspect Alvin Brad does too,
and I suspect the Biden White House that POJ does
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as well.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I
want your prediction.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
The first major polls that come out after this verdict
has obviously come down, will they show that Donald Trump
starts to lose momentum. Do you think he'll go backwards
in the polls nationally or in swing states? Do you
think this could even backfire more? Because you did say,
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and I agreed with you, that if they make him
more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. That ha
happen when the court case started you said it's going
to make people solidify their support behind on Trump. But
now that he has the he's a convicted felon around
his neck, and that what happens in the polls.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment,
I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth
ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's
in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten.
That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's
a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls,
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and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even
some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time.
The general election, it's a little harder. I think most
of the views on both sides are baked in. But
if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction
right now is Trump. I think it is mildly beneficial
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for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is
major league because I think most of the people on
both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter
at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me,
I would say, I don't think it's going to cause
showing the poles, and I would say I think it's
likely to be a mile positive benefit for trumping the poles,
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and he's already leading the poles right now.
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Election interference, Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts.
With Donald Trump being found guilty yesterday in New York, now,
Republican donors are digging in, saying no surrender. Major GOP
donors rallying overnight behind Donald Trump, pledging millions of dollars
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after the guilty verdict, saying quote, we are going all in.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
A host of major GOP donors pledging millions of dollars
in support for former President Donald Trump after he was
found guilty on all thirty four counts in this kangaroo
court in the Manhattan business records trial.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Many conservative donors already viewed the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
New York case as a political case solely by design,
echoing Republican President of Kennet's view, the Democrat crats want
to discredit and weaken Trump ahead of November the fifth
election against Joe Biden by saying he's a convicted felon.
Reuters is now reporting the large group of donors are
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more than happy to put their money where their mouth is,
where their beliefs are, and offer financial support to Donald
Trump ahead of this twenty twenty four full speed campaign trail.
The outlet pointed to mega donors, including casino billionaire Adelson
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and hotel giant Robert Bigelow, as having lined up behind Trump,
with their donation set to bolster wave of pro Trump ads,
door knocking and phone banking in battleground states. Donald Trump
found guilty convicted on all thirty four counts, saying this
(01:59):
is far from over Reuters further adding this, the verdict
also spurred some longtime Trump donors to boost their financial
support for Donald Trump and in at least one case,
makes a big donation to him for the very first time.
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Robert Bigelow, among Trump's top supporters, already have given over
nine million to an outside group supporting him, said the
criminal proceedings against the former president were a disgrace, saying quote,
I'm sending President Trump another five million, as I promised
him another five million, the mega donor said to Reuters.
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Upbeat Silicon Valley tech investor Sean McGuire posts on social
media side acts after the verdict that he had donated
three hundred thousand dollars to support Trump as well, saying
the timing isn't a coincidence. Don Tepia, a former Trump
ambassador to Jamaica, confirmed the outlet that he and a
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small network of family and friends with whom he donates,
had planned to give around two hundred and fifty thousand
to the election to support Trump, saying this. After the conviction,
Tapia told Reuters his group hasn't waivered and would aim
to give over one million to the pro Trump's spending
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group MAGA Inc. In the coming weeks, saying this, we
are going all in for him. He also sent Ruters
a photo of an American flag flying upside down outside
his home in Paradise Valley, Arizona, to protest the verdict.
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Even CNN sang last night, there is a chance that
a Trump guilty verdict is going to fire massively for
the Democratic Party massively.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Of course, Melissa is still here with me, So Scott,
your reaction and what are you hearing now You've had
a chance to really talk to a whole lot of Republicans.
Get on the phone. What are you hearing from them?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, if my phone on the text messages I'm receiving,
or any indication every Republican in the country is matter
in a wet hen. I mean people who are decidedly
non MAGA not. Trump fans are blowing up tonight saying
this case never should have been brought. This is ridiculous charges.
It was egregious use of the criminal justice system. And
I mean, I'm hearing people say I had no intention
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of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am. And
then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening, you know,
they literally broke their online donation portal because people were
rushing to the internet to give them money in the
minutes after the verdict. So I think there's a real
chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats
and help Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
All right, let me I just want to hold this
up on the screen. This is the website that you're
referring to, the fundraising page that the Trump campaign uses
for donations. It did go down soon after the verdict.
Now we're not sure yet why formerly, Scott, but you're right,
people are speculating that it's because so many people wanted
to donate that it got overloaded. It's back up now,
(05:20):
So do you really think this is going to be
a fundraising bonanza. I mean, we have seen this, Scott, obviously,
on the back of every single indictment, right or conviction,
but obviously this is the first criminal case. So do
you think that's what we're going to see?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And I'm not speculating. I mean, the Trump campaign told
me directly their portal was overloaded, but that's why they
think it went down. But yeah, I think people are
going to go because they're mad. They believe that, after
everything that's happened with Donald Trump over the last several years,
that you're going to convict this guy on a bunch
of felonies over sex paperwork. It sounds crazy to anyone
who is not in the left wing fever swamps. And
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so yeah, I think there's a danger here for demic
cras this blows up in their face. And now Trump's unleashed.
He can campaign, he can have rallies, he can say
whatever he wants, and I suspect he's going to go
out and make a powerful argument.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
All right, So a list to the point that Scott
just made. He's saying people who said they weren't going
to vote for Trump now feel like they might Republicans, Right,
I mean, do you think it's possible that that happens,
that this has a galvanizing effect that is much broader
and more significant than anything else. Yet it's certainly possible.
Scott is absolutely correct and how this is being received
by Republicans writ large, But I'm not certain that. I
think there's a wide swath of Republicans or moderates who
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may vote for Republicans that are like, this is what's
making me the porn star hush money case. Now I've
got to get out and vote for Donald Trump. But
I know I sound like a broken record.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
What we'll decide where those voters go is the Biden
campaign's ability to message why this matters and why he's unfit.
Because Donald Trump is remarkably good at having historia gets out,
having everyone singing from the same shot of music. They're
all out talking about the fundraising as we speak. Biden's
largely quiet. So there is a world in which it
really helped.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Do you think that Biden spending the day tomorrow? So,
I mean, we don't know what he's gonna do. I'm
probably gonna come out and do something right now. He's
not scheduled too, but I would imagine you would recommend
come out, come out fast and hot.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Absolutely, you should have all his surrogates, the vice president
should be out there they should be doing campaign eventsing,
are we really going to elect our first convicted felon,
by the way, when a lot of Republicans want to
take away Selon's rights to vote, or we're gonna put
one in office? Like there's a whole message there. But
he's got to do it. And I'm not sure he's
going to Scott.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I'm not sure he's going to why well, it's going
to open him up to major problems as well. But
you heard it there, even TNN saying they worry this
could be a quote major back fire. Donald Trump found
guilty on all charges in New York. I say it's
shocking for a simple reason. It is shocking to me
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because I really can't believe this is happening in America.
I also will say this at the very same time,
I'm not surprised I found him guilty, because this was
the entire intent from the beginning. You find a jury
that hates him, in a place that hates him, with
a judge that hates him, that's given to Joe Biden,
with a da who ran on locking up Donald Trump,
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with prosecutors on your team that took demotions from their
big jobs to come and get a conviction of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That was the ballgame, and it worked flawlessly.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Now the question is will there be a repercussion for
their actions and what's next when it comes to sentencing.
As I mentioned earlier, Senator Cruz and I sat down
late last night to have that conversation of what's next,
and I want you to hear what.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He has to say.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Senator, I want to talk of what happens next. He
was found guilty on all counts. Some don't even know
what they were even charging him with, including I think
Donald Trump, because the rules changed at the last minute.
We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's
look at the immediate few future. There's a sentencing is
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that is coming the same week as a Republican national convention.
There is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could
be in jail or b could be under house arrest,
and that means he wouldn't be able to go to
his own convention.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How is that not alone election?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Well, man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the
illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired. Is we saw
Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to
bet emotions. I am, on one level, furious this is
an outlet. It is it is a disgusting assault on democracy,
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of the rule of ball. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroken.
I believe that our justice system, our justice is supposed
to provide equal justice under law. And you know, yesterday
and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, he talked about
the different possible outcomes. We talked about the miracle that
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could happen, which would be an acquittal, which I would have
loved to have seen. And we talked about the possibility
of a hung jury. One juror out of twelve people.
One dream will not be part of this sparse I
will not be part of this, this charade. I'm done, no, no, no.
The justice system is not meant to attack your political opponent,
and I won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen.
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Twelve New Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now will
I will say a significant part of that was, no doubt,
driven by the absurd jury instructions given by the judge.
This judge has made the New York justice system into
a global laughing stock, and across the planet, people know
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that the justice system in New York doesn't follow the
rule of law. It doesn't care about each under law. Instead,
it is a tool to attack your political lenity. That
makes me sad. That's not the way our justice system
is supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well,
Trump has been released on his own recongnizzance. The next
step is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days
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before the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are
a series of steps, including Trump has to go to
a pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to
a psychiatrist or psychologist. They prepare a report, all of
the steps that are standard after someone is convicted that
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a report gets presented to the judge to help the
judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out
about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention.
I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial
is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going
to make a prediction right now. The chances that this
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conviction is overturned on appeal I believe are one hundred
point zero percent. It will be overturned on a field
I think the judge knows that. I think the judge
in this trial, then oober Backwards, did everything possible give
jury instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court. President
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did not require the jury to be unanimous on all
the elements of the crial. Let the jury nix and
match and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this
from a misumeter to a felony. All of that is
reversible error. The judge knows that, but I don't think
he cares. I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the
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objective here is not to get a conviction that sticks,
is not put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is
to stare him. Within minutes of the verdict coming down,
the Biden Whitehouse put out a statement referring to him
as a quote convicted fela. That was the entire point
of all of this. We will hear the words convicted
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felon referring to Donald Trump, I'm democratic from the corporate
media one billion times between now and election day. Every
other sentence they say will say bellot, bello, bello, bello, bellot.
That was the point, and they know what'll be reversed
on appeal, but that will happen after election day, and
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this is all their effort to try to stop the
American people from reelection Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back
to the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He
went rogue on sentence him. He went rogue from the beginning.
He's a donor to Biden. If he knows Senator, and
we use what you just said, that he knows it's
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going to be overturned, why the hell wouldn't he throw
Donald Trump in jail or under house arrest where he
can't travel.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Look, I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he would
love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, to
throw him in the pit of despair, to use the
Prince's Bride analogy. He would do everything in anything he could.
But I also I don't have any indication that this
judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. I think
he hates Trump, and I think he's willing to abuse
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his power. But a sling, he's not stupid. I don't
know that if he orders Donald Trump sent to jail,
that will be subject to an immediate appeal, and I
think the immediate appeal would be successful. I don't know
if it would be the state courts of New York
or if it would be the federal courts, but I
don't think the courts are going to allow the presumptive
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Republican nominee, and I think likely the next president of
the United States to be hauled away to Riker's Island.
By the way, New York State is also a state
where you can assault the police officer, you can punch
a little old lady in the face on the street,
you can practically rape or murder someone, and these imbeciles
won't send you to jail. But if your crime as
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being a Republican who was the leading candidate for president,
you're right, this partisan judge just fight said go to jail,
but I think he won't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where
I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more
valuable to not put him under house arrests or put
him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell in
through election day.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Then it's overturned after election day, and you interfere with
the election results. And if you actually put.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Him in jail or under house arrests, then it would
escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may actually be
found innocent.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Not innocent. But listen, I think the judge is not
going to put Trump in jail because it would be
bad politics. This is not law, this is not criminal
justice's politics. It would be bad politics because it would
force the appellate courts to act. And I think not
either the partisan judge or the partisan DA want the
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appellate courts to give a victory for Donald Trump before November.
So they're not gonna do anything I think to tee
up a legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They
want any legal victory for Trump to be after November.
And I will say, I will give her one caveat.
I could see some scenario or the Trump issue issue,
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some sort of house arrest order says you got to
stay at our lago, you gotta wear an ankle bracelet.
I don't think the judge will do that, but it
is conceivable. But you're allowed to go to the convention
and give the convention speech. You're allowed to go to
the debate and participate in the debate. That that house
arrest with enough exceptions that it is not transparently election interference.
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It's just obvious to anyone with an IQ above twelve
that it's election interference that is not outside the realm
of possibility. I think that probably doesn't happen either, But
I do not think the judge would be foolish enough
to order it set to jail, because I think it
would force a rapid appellate reversal of that's terrible policy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I also want you to hear the second part of
my conversation with him about the legal chances moving forward
for Trump to get something done before election day.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Listen to this, Senator.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Let me ask you another question, and this is one
that I've been asked a lot over the last ten
hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and
there is a divide when it comes to this court case,
and there's been a lot of anger by a lot
of conservatives that said, see, I told you so, we
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should have gone after one of the liberals out there
that was committing crimes and gone after them, to say
to the Democrats, if you do that to Donald Trump,
We're gonna come back and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Do it to you, and Now there's people that say, well,
there it is. The cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
This is law fair and if we're not willing to
do it back to them, they're gonna keep doing it
to us. Give me your reaction of people like that
are extremely frustrated on that aspect of us that we're
we're playing by the rules they're not, and yet they're winning.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Look, I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the
other side, the other side is willing to destroy the
role of law. They're willing to destroy the dciary, They're
willing to destroy our country, uh in persona partisan power,
and and it is It's why I'm so sadday. You know.
I was on Sean Hannity yesterday. I was on John
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Hennity tonight. Yesterday. Sean and I got in a little
bit of an argument because the jury was still pending,
and I said, look, I'm holding out hope that maybe
one juror will say no and there'll be a hung jury.
And I'll tell you, Sean laughed at me and he said, no,
New York is too far gone. It's not gonna happen.
Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York
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and I didn't want to believe it. I gotta say
John was right. This this justice system, the justice system,
I don't know that it ever recovers from this. It
will always be known as a Democrat, Banana Republican. If
you're a Republican in New York. I think there are
a lot of in New York who are calling their
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real estate agents who are looking to leave New York.
If they say, Okay, you cannot count on the rule
of law in this state. I understand the sentiment. If
they're going to burn it down, it we ought to
burn it down. In the views our power, I don't
agree with that. I I at the end of the day,
I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the rule
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of law. I don't want power reviews by either side now,
but me that that you get the other side a
free past. My view, I've said many times I I
don't want a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want
a Democrat Department of Justice. I want a department of
justice that follows the law and that prosecutes the individuals
who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, for example,
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I hope if we in January we have a new
president if Donald Trump is reelected, which is what I
hope will happen, and we have a new Department of Justice.
I hope right at the outset, they open investigations into
the funding of these anti American and anti Israel and
anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and they trace down,
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follow the money, and they find out our terrorists finding
financing this, our foreign countries financing this. I hope they
use the full investigatory resources of the Department of Justice
to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Note, I'm not saying that because I have a target
I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because
I see the evidence of a crime and I want
the Justice Department to investigate that. I'm in the prosecute
whoever is guilty, And sadly, I don't believe the Justice
Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the foot
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side of what they're doing is they will abuse power
to target their enemies, and they will also abuse power
by protecting their friends. And so I get the vindictive instinct,
but I think it's the wrong answer. I think we
should demonstrate that the rule of law matters, and by
the way, there is plenty of real criminality that prosecutors
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can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse of power
we've seen from Democrats in these cases against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, let's talk about the politics of what we
mentioned at the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We know from the White House.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
The words that we're going to hear over and over
again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted fellon,
convicted felon.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
There is a convicted fella.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, right exactly. So how powerful is that going to
be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side.
I had two people walk up to me today this
afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation
in my life, but damn it, tonight when the website
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gets back up, it crashed multiple times because some of
you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to
write a big check. And one of them said to me,
I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen
seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is
someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire
life to any political campaign, local, state, or national, And
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he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm
going to get involved.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now, I think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of patriots out there and new patriots who are going
to probably make that decision. But there's also center the
other side, Democrats are going to be inspired by this.
It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their
hatred for Donald Trump is now backfront and center.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't
believe this decision will change the outcome of the election
in November. I think it's baked in the in the cape.
I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so much they
we're gonna vote against him in November. They're still gonna
vote against him, and and and and this this is
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revenge born for them that that they're just living their fantasy. Yeah. Uh.
In terms of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right.
The Trump website collapse win Red, which is the portal
to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight.
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So I think a lot of people went and said,
I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running
this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will
energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say
you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say
you don't particularly like it, maybe you strongly opponent. If
you care about the rule of laws, you ought to
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be outbreaking about this. If you care about actually a
justice system that is not simply a tool to attack
your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen,
if you go down to Latin America, you'd have a
banana republics. My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened tonight.
There are banana republics practice countries that understand what happened
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to night, which is one party gets in power and
they use the justice system to try to lock up
their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. If
you don't want that to happen to America, even if
you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be very
upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at the
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beginning of this is that there would be two to
three to five percent of voters. You are not very engaged,
you are not paying attention a lot who will decide
the last couple of weeks before election day, and if
they hear the word fell and fell and Fellon repeated
a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for
a Felon, and so we'll vote for Ride. I'm really skeptical.
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I don't think it's played out that way. I think
most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, recognize this
was a political persecution, and so I don't see this
changing votes. And I think even some Democrats and some
in the media have backed away from their fervor from
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this because they see it backfired to some extent now
not tonight. They're not backing away because they're too jubilant.
This is too much. This is cathartic, and this is ecstasy,
and this is shot in Freud, all unfolding at once.
But at the end of the day, I don't see
this changing the outcome on election.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Final question for you on this, and it deals with
the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you
can separate what this judge did from the corruption of
the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left
the DOJ to go work on this case. We know
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that Alvin Bragg ran on this, We know he raised
money off of it. We know that this judge has
as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising
the Democratic Party. Uh. And this all was orchestrated from
from the Biden administration down.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from
it like this is we stood back.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
We were just watching the wills of justice and and
and and and a man be found accountable by a
jury of his peers. That is clearly going to be
their line. But make no mistake, none of this would
have happened without the direction, uh of Biden. I said today,
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America has its own Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Now his name is is Biden.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Joe Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his
political opponent and trying to lock them up.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know, in law, if you look at something like
anti trust law, there's a concept in law called conscious parallelism,
which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly.
But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting
according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin
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Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I
agree that the Biden, Joe Biden has been dictatorially's abused
his power. But I think Alvian Bragg is a petty
dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran
on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the
first indictment. I think a lot of Democrats are kind
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of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy.
They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately,
the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at
d OJ, who had been a Democrat donor before in
a Democrat themselves, and they sent him to be part
of the trial team. So the Biden d OJ got
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in bed with this partisan prosecution. But but I'm not
convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of
the White House. I just think he hates Trump's guts.
So does everyone in the bidend Oj, Biden, the White House,
so does Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just
about every wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't
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say it as as much a direction from the White
House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump
derangement syndrome where they're willing to burn it all down,
to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice
system because they hate the Trumps so much, and they've
convinced themselves if he is re elected, if he's president,
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it's the end of democracy. I mean, we played on
Wednesday's pod Robert de Niro going on and on that'll
be the last election ever if Trump is elected, which
is just it's arrange, it's unhim. But I don't think
de Niro is lying in that. I think he believes
every word he says. I suspect Alvin Brad does too,
and I suspect the Biden White House that POJ does
(29:27):
as well.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I
want your prediction.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
The first major polls that come out after this verdict
has obviously come down, will they show that Donald Trump
starts to lose momentum. Do you think he'll go backwards
in the polls nationally or in swing states? Do you
think this could even backfire more? Because you did say,
(29:55):
and I agreed with you, that if they make him
more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. That ha
happen when the court case started you said it's going
to make people solidify their support behind on Trump. But
now that he has the he's a convicted felon around
his neck, and that what happens in the polls.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment,
I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth
ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's
in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten.
That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's
a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls,
(30:33):
and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even
some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time.
The general election, it's a little harder. I think most
of the views on both sides are baked in. But
if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction
right now is Trump. I think it is mildly beneficial
(30:54):
for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is
major league because I think most of the people on
both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter
at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me,
I would say, I don't think it's going to cause
showing the poles, and I would say I think it's
likely to be a mile positive benefit for trumping the poles,
(31:17):
and he's already leading the poles right now.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
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