VANCE WINS BIG ON DEBATE NIGHT

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is the Ben Ferguson Podcasts and it is a
dual show with Senator Ted Cruz and I as we
just got finished watching the vice presidential debate.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Senator you just watched it.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got to watch it together, you got to commentate
on Hannity afterwards. And your initial takeaway from this debate.
I thought JD had a pretty good night.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven five pm,
just after the debate. As you noted, I just finished
doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I think this
was a good night for America. The winner of the
debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of the debate
tonight was Kamala Harris. Both candidates I think did an

(00:45):
effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better than I expected,
but he had a very difficult case to make because
his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record. And the
reason that I think it was such a good night
for Trump is I think JD did a good job
job of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She is desperately, desperately,

(01:06):
desperately trying to run away from her record. Trying to
hide in the basement. And tonight the contrast was made
between the incredible successes on the border, on the economy,
on foreign policy under Donald Trump as compared to the
incredible failures on the border, on the economy, on foreign
policy under Kamala Harris and and and that stark divide

(01:27):
was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily to pretend
the record didn't exist. But but but there were some
rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And and and
it really goes to the to the fundamental core conceit
of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she is trying
to live in this alternate reality where she is the

(01:51):
change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the incumbent president,
and that is not in fact the planet on which
we live. And and I think JD did a good
job multiple times of saying, gosh, if she has all
these policy proposals, why isn't she doing any of them now?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, for the last three and a half years.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
And Walt's has no answer to that other than well, well,
what's happening now isn't working, So that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
There was one funny part of the debate that I laughed,
And it was when he was talking about how none
of the wall was actually built, and then it was
like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want to
go that far with this point, because she's got an
ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he was
like he kind of backpedaled on.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know
you're here to represent just say we got to have
a secure border, build a wall.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending
Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to
Minnesota over and over, getting yeah, look at what I've
done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota.
It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president,
Kamala Harris say is. She's been the vice president. And
I thought in particular, the strongest moments of the debate

(03:02):
were on economics and the impact for working men and women,
that that just people's lives are harder, that the cost
of everything has gone up, the cost of food, the
cost of healthcare, the cost of UH gasoline, and I
thought on the cost of housing, I think jd Vance
made a good point of Look eleven and a half

(03:23):
million illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the
cost of housing? And I will say two of the
losers tonight were sitting in the moderator chairs and and
and that they they seem to be trying to topple
prior moderators for for the biggest partisan hacks of a debate.
I thought CBS's moderators, Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did

(03:45):
did a terrible job. Uh, there is not a person
in the universe who watched this debate who has any
doubt either one of them is like that, none whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, there, And the best part was you and I
were watching together, and it's fun to watch these things
together because I was sitting there. And one of the
things that made me laugh was when they did their
hands off to each other. It was like, thinking, we
have to make we have so many important they think
you to back over to you.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
It was like I was watching Anchorman.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Outtakes and it was like, we are so official journalistic
here and we're going to be wonky. And then they
would immediately go back in their hardest in their partisan hackery,
which was when they muted him.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yes, no, no, that was wow.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
That really was the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I tweeted, I said, when that happened, I tweeted, I
was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just
did it during the Vice president of debate that if
you want to know if the state sponsored media, Yeah,
they just did it.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I really was waiting for them. You know, you made
the Acreman equip as We're watching the debate, and I
was really waiting for one of them to lean over
as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, Sandiago and I'm
cleaning the language up a little bit from the actual
line of the movie. But but it was number one stilted,
their mom rating number two. It was incredibly smarmy and condescending.

(05:03):
Your entire attitude is we know better than all of you.
And by the way, the things they interrupted, they were
supposed to not do fact checks. When they did do them,
they were wrong and they were completely self satisfied. And
the moment when they cut off JD Vance's microphone was pitiful.
It was nakedly biased. It was hackery. It was nothing

(05:25):
but partisan hackery, and I think CBS really got a
black eye.

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to go back to the beginning of the debate, and
the first question coming into the debate was one I
think we all knew it was going to be on
Israel and the attack on Israel from Iran and Waltz
was very, very very nervous, you could tell. But he
also didn't know what to do because there's a hard
part of the Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota, with

(08:08):
the extremists there that hate Israel and they're the ones
that are protesting and supporting the terrorists. And when he
came out, he had a little bit of an oops
listen carefully.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I ran our Israel's ability to be able to defend
itself is absolutely fundamental getting its hostages back It's hostages.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I was like, come on, man, you got to do
a little bit better than this. But it tells you
where the Democratic Party is right now. They don't want
to come out and defend Israel too much, but they
know they have to defend him on the face tonight.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
And it was this weird, awkward moment for him.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, and look, he had a talking point that was
written for him for his handlers, by his handlers, that
was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself
and the hostages should be returned. And so those are
the two sentences he was told to say. And then
he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian
crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party

(09:04):
is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela
terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw
that in. What he didn't say, you know what, he
didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not
a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just just pummeled
Israel with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now

(09:25):
Iran has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel that's been
fighting through proxies, but this is now Iran directly attacking Israel.
And the question he was asked is would he support
Israel striking back? And you know what he didn't answer.
He did not want to answer. He did not want
to answer at all. And and you know, critically the

(09:50):
opening of his answer. Tim Waltz's answer was this crisis
began on October seventh. Well, that's actually wrong. This crisis
began in January of twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris came in. Yeah, when they began flooding
one hundred billion dollars to Iran, that's when the crisis.

(10:14):
And by the way, when they came in, remember what
was happening. Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in
the Middle East. We had the Abraham Accords signed on
the south lawn of the White House. I was there
for the signing of the Abraham Accords. You know what,
not a single Democrat showed up for the signing of
the Abraham Accords, not a single Democrat Senator, not a

(10:34):
single Democrat House member.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I did not realize that none of them showed up.
And that was the deal that dealt with the word
their obsessed with, which is peace?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Right, Yes, it was. It was historic peace. It was
the Arabs and the Israelis coming together and signing historic
peace accords. And not only did no Democrats sign up
at the signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden
Kamala Harris instructed the State Department what was that? In writing?
They said you were not allowed to use the words

(11:03):
Abraham accurts don't even call them what they were called.
They were instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do
not use apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much and
anything that Trump did they were not allowed to make
reference to. But explicitly, the State Department was instructed, don't
use the words Abraham a courts. So we went from

(11:26):
historic peace, the first peace agreements signed between Israelis and
Arabs in four decades to suddenly Joe Biden Kamala Harris
come in and they start flooding cash into Iran, and
Iran starts flooding cash into Hamas and Hesbela that paid
for the death squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz

(11:49):
had not a word to say about that, not a
word to say about thee hundred billion dollars that Kamala
Harris gave as a gift to Iran. And you know
what is still giving today today Joe Biden and Kamala
Harris still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran.
They are literally funding the missiles that were fired on

(12:10):
Iran today. In a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid
for those missiles.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's shocking.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Also, the media when you're watching this. They didn't ask
about sanctions. They also didn't ask about hearers and what
the response should be from this administration, right because she's.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
In the administer. To be fair, they did. Their question was,
would you support a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran?
And now it's not actually preempted because it is in
responsevery attack, So the word preemptive is a loaded lefty word.
It's not preemptive if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked.
But that was the question they asked, and to be clear,

(12:45):
when asked, would you support it? Kamala is the sitting VP,
and we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't
know if he's passed out on the beach in Delaware
or what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
But he didn't spend almost two hours on the phone,
he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff. Almost two hours. Well,
you know, and look, that's a lot of time for him.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I believe that because when my girls were young, we
had an app on the phone that was the wheels
on the bus go round and round. And I believe
he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an
app like.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
That, but the question that they should have asked was,
are you, guys, what would you do differently? What would
you advocate for? What would you support sanctions? I mean
you and I talked about this in our show on Monday.
There was if and correct me if my numbers are wrong,
but I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels
a day is what a RAM was producing when Trump
was in office.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's now two million barrels.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that.
That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And it tells you like and the question I wish
they would have asked them is both them like, hey guys,
are you would you right now? Should there move more
sanctions or should they be enforcing the sanctions? Or even
the question, hey, why is your running mate Kamala Harris
not doing more to enforce the sanctions.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
There to stop I ran from murdering Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yes, And that didn't come up tonight, which I was
also shocked by because we talked about this again in
Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting
assassins a takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in
our government and as they're doing that, no one asked
that question tonight.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, look at it now. I will say a point
that Jad made on this that was very effective is
when he looked at the camera and he asked the
American people, he said, think back in your lifetime, what
president has not had a major military conflict during his presidency?
And he said, I'm forty years old, and there's only

(14:44):
one president that you could answer yes to, and that
is Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
That was a very effective point, and I think it
probably made some people think. And Waltz had no response
to that other than well, well, but you know, I
don't like Trump and other people don't like Trump. But
the simple point that we had peace when Trump was
president and we now have war, not just in Israel
but in Ukraine. When you have a week in an

(15:11):
effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really
got blown up, and that was the obsession by the
media to label jd Vance's strange or weird.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
He's a weird guy's odd.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think he came across as very likable, very normal,
came across as a dad and I think that also
could help Donald Trump significantly.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, look, I think that's right. And I
will say one of the things that surprised me. I
thought this debate was going to be nasty. You and
I both said that before. You were like, dude, they
don't like each other. We both knew that, but I
thought it was going to be nasty too. Look, my
sense is that they really dislike each other, although to
be fair, I haven't talked to JD about that, so
I don't know firsthand from him. It just the appearance

(15:59):
from the media and the general milieu, as it appears
that neither one of them likes each other. And so
I thought, you know, I'd used an analogy that are
going to be rolling around in the mud. This is
gonna be a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And
both of them, neither of them had even a single
really nasty line, which which is a little surprising. If

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you'd asked me to bet beforehand, I would have I
would have bet it's more likely that they each had
a dozen nasty lines at each other than Nero and IT,
And in fact, both of them more than once praised
the other one, which was an interesting. I don't know
if that how much of that was genuine, how much

(16:41):
of that was strategic, how much of the campaign said, Look,
your job is to be likable and relatable.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
But but and if it was, it was a great strategy.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, And and both did so multiple times said said,
you know, look when when Tim Waltz described how his
son had witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't
know either, and that's that's horrific. You and I are
both dads, certainly wouldn't want our kids to see a shooting.
And I thought, JD when it came back and said, hey,

(17:11):
I didn't know your son had done I'm really sorry.
That's that's like horrible one, no one, that's horrible. That
was real and genuine, And I thought, and there were
moments back and forth for both of them like that.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
When you look at how this played out tonight, You
and I have said this before, and you go back
in history. VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it
matter a little bit more this time?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you think? Because there was only one present debate?
Number one and two?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right,
there's no chance in eight years here? Does that change
the perception of voters as well.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Look damned if I know, I will say I think
this probably mattered. At the end of the day. Historically,
VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to
to VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to
guess you could only remember one moment two moments from

(18:06):
VP debates, you probably remember the fly landing on Mike
Pence's head.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And that will be seared into my brain forever.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yes, especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly
and then they did a good job.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
They did a great job with that.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
But the only line I bet you you can quote,
and you're about as much of a political junkie as anyone,
is the only line I bet you you can quote
is Lloyd Benson to Dan Quayle saying I knew Jack Kennedy.
Jack Kennedy was my friend. Yeah, And Senator you're no.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Jude Kennedy bingo, and that that was a damn line,
And that was that was what was that eighty eight
or nineth.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That was it was? It was Ducaccus Benson eighty eight.
And by the way, Dan Quayle and George Bush won,
So it didn't change the outcoming election. It did kind
of sear in public consciousness. That was one of the
moments where where the caricature of Quail is a lightweight,
that that line.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
It hurt him.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
It was clearly rehearsed, It was landed very effectively, which
is why three decades later we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And it was also I think to find Dan Quail
as a candidate on his own yeap, which was sad well.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
And and and the reason it was prepared is because
Quail had been using as a talking point, you know,
I'm the same age Jack Kennedy was because he was
trying to say I'm not inexperienced, and he.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Looked young if you remember, he looked really look he
was twenty six.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver
that line. And it was but historically VP debates have
not moved votes one way or the other. I will
say I was glad so for most of the debate,
JD remembered that his target was Kamala Harrison, not Tim Waaltz.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, he said that a lot. He used her name
a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
And in fact, one of the better moments, and I
want you to play this clip is it is where
JD said said to t Waltz, said, You've got a
really tough job. I feel bad for how tough a
job you have. And it was sort of it was
damning him with faint praise because it was a backheaded
shot at Kamala or play that exchange.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
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(20:33):
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Speaker 1 (22:10):
All right, take a listen to this clip.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is actually a really funny one where you have
JD saying it's tough having your job having to defend
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Elebnard Waltz just did as he said, first of all,
Donald Trump has to listen to the experts, and then
when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well,
Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Job as this. That's a coach general as he did.
So what Tim Waltz is doing. And I honestly, Tim,
I think you got a tough job here because you've
got to play whack a mole.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising
take home pay, which of course he did. You've got
to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which
of course he did. And then you simultaneously got to
defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries,
and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. I was raised by
a woman who would sometimes go into medical day so

(23:00):
that she could put food on the table in our household.
I know what it's like to not be able to
afford the things that you need to afford. We can
do so much better to all of you watching. We
can get back to an America that's affordable again. We
just got to get back to common sense economic principles.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I hope we have a conversation on healthcare.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Then Senator and governor.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Please, thank you, Margaret. We have a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I love how they they jump in there, by the way,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
We gotta we got to move on from that real quick.
You just you just smacked him around a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah. Look, I mean that they were They were eager
to help out Waltz. They were also on the fact checking.
You know, we talked about it at at the open
of the pod when they cut off JD's mike. Now
that was a moment when number one Kamala was getting
beat up hard on immigration. Yeah, but number two the

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moderators jumped in and and JD talked about the Haitian
illegal immigrants who are in Springfield. Oh, and you know,
they wanted to reprise the whole cat thing. I was surprised.
I also, I would have lost a bet if you
had given me the odds on whether the word cat
would be said in the debate. I would have bet yes,
and I would have lost that bet. So so that

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the moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz.
But JD rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal
aliens is putting an enormous burden on the residents of
Springfield and every other city in Ohio and every other
city in the country. And the moderators chimed into correct him,
well those are legal immigrants, and he said, blowney, yeah,

(24:33):
and this is a fiction. So look, we have a
legal immigration system, and what has happened is Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law. So the
three hundred thousand plus Haitians and Nicaraguans and Cubans and
Venezuelans they've flown in, they've flown in indo programs where
they say, well, these guys are all now legal just
because we've decided to open the doors and call everyone

(24:56):
we let in legal. That is not legal in any
ordinary sense. They are illegal immigrants. And in particular, JD
rightly talks about the app CBP one, which we've talked
about on this podcast before, an app for illegal immigrants
to apply online for Kamala Harris to let him in
our open border.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
And they did not like him saying this because it
was fact checking them.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
It was they were fact checking him. They were wrong,
he countered him, and then they cut off his mic
right when when when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well,
you know this has been around for years. CBB one
was just created by Joe Biden. Kamala Harris. Here play
the clip when they cut off his mic, because it
really is revealing of the enormous bias and the factual

(25:38):
just mendacity of the CBS moderators.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Thank you, Senator, we having so much.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
To get to, Margot.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I think it's important economy thing.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Margaret.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
The rules were that you got in a fact check,
and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
called the CBP one app where you can go on
as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for
parole and be granted legal status at the wave of
a Kamala Harris open border wand that is not a

(26:10):
person coming in applying for a green cart and waiting
for ten years. Thank you, senatortation of a legal immigration,
Margaret bi.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Thank you, senator for describing the legal process. Have so
much to get, Senator.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So much the book since nineteen ninety, Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
We want to have that has not been on the books.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's something.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
We have so much we want to get to. Thank
you for explaining the legal process.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I love that the legal process.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I mean that is so smarmy, like arrogant, conting, snarky. Look,
these there's no doubt they're political bias. There's no doubt
they love Kamala Harris. There's no doubt they're voting Foramala Harris.
Thank you for describing the legal process. No, CBP one

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is not the legal process. It is an app designed
by Kamala Harrison Joe Biden to facilitate a massive invasion
of this country.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
And they and they shut the mic off.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I actually am glad they did it because it's just
And when anybody says in the future, well, there's no
bias to me and Mike, really did you see? And
I love that she says, they try to act like
we shut both your micros off. No, you were shutting
down jd Vance, who was fact checking.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
You and pointing out that she was lying.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And pointing out she design we got to move on.
We have other important things.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And by the way, I promise you that moment if
you pulled the audience in America watching, they would have
loved to have heard what JD.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Van said.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like course you would have been like, boh, I want
to hear this right, Like wait, give me a second.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
That's absolutely right, But CBS didn't want the audience to
hear that. You know, there was another moment on the
same topic of the border where Tim Waltz said the
most brazen lie of the entire devay and when when
Waltz was back pedaling and trying to defend the disaster
of Kamala's open borders, Tim Waltz said, quote, border crossings

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are down compared to when Donald Trump left office. Yeah, now,
which is a lie. And you and I both are
looking at the TV like that's not true. That that
is not slightly true. It's not kind of true. It's
not in any way. And let me give you the stats.
So in December twenty twenty, the total encounters with illegals

(28:32):
was eighty nine thousand and seventy two. In August twenty
twenty four, the total encounters was one hundred and fifty
eighty nine hundred and eighty eight, so it was nearly
twice as many. And and mind you look, there's been
a slight dip in the last couple of months because
Biden and Harris are trying to pretend to do something

(28:52):
about the border, and they're just doing it as electioneering.
And to put it in, in all of fiscal year
twenty twenty, do you know how many encounters with illegals
there were under Trump? How many six hundred and forty six,
eight hundred and twenty.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Two that's like a month in this administration.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
In fiscal year twenty four year to date, and by
the way, we're not all the way through twenty four.
Do you know how many there're been? How many two million,
seven hundred and fifty six thousand, six hundred and forty six.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
And by the way, these these brave fact checkers, did
you notice the CBS cut off anybody. They say, wait
a second, Governor, you just said that border encounters were
lower now than they were under Trump. That is flat
out false. They didn't say that because they're not in

(29:41):
the business of fact checking Democrats.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that
I actually thought there's a missopportunity. I think JD had
a great night, but I wish you would have seized
on this the acting ICE Director put out all of
these numbers that we've talked about here, Yes, about the
number of rapists, yes, that were let go that we
knew were rapists, the number of murderers that were let go,

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and the number of those that had been charged with
Haines's crimes, and we still let go into this country.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And that didn't see the light of day tonight.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And it's again it goes back to the moderators, like,
it's shame on them for not actually talking about the
Acting ICE Director saying this when they're going to talk
about the border, how do you talk about the border
without that?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
But I do.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And again it's debating's tough, and I want to be clear,
it's tough, But there was a missed opportunity there. I'm
shocked that JAD didn't really try to hammer that that
point home.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah. Look, look, I think JD did a very good
job tonight. I was surprised that the thirteen thousand convicted
murderers did not come up. It's such a powerful number
and CBS hasn't covered it, the news hasn't covered it,
And so this debate was an opportunity for That's actually
something that I wish that like it had been slowly

(30:56):
explained that they'd taken a little bit of time. You
need to unders stand that right now today there are
more than thirteen thousand illegal aliens who are free, who
have not been apprehended, who are convicted murderers. There is
nothing whatsoever stopping Kamala Harris from picking up all thirteen

(31:20):
thousand of them tomorrow. Legally, she has every right to
do so. They are here illegally, they can be detained,
they can be deported. And yet and there are another
two thousand roughly illegal aliens who have pending murder charges,
so they're being charged with murder, and you know what,

(31:40):
they're free too. There is nothing zero preventing Kamala Harris
from picking up those two thousand. And I would have
loved to see JD turn to Tim Walts and say, Governor,
why doesn't Kamala Harris pick up those fifteen thousand murderers
right now? And what would you say to the mothers

(32:01):
of the children murdered by these illegal alien murderers that
you continue to allow on the street. Yeah, he wouldn't
have an answer to that.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
No, he wouldn't have an answer to that.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
And look again, like I said, debating is hard, and
I think one of the things that he did really
well was he talked about the fact that people are
suffering in this country because there's so many illegal immigrants,
and it backfired on CBS. They were talking about the
economy and they were talking about the housing crisis. It
was a little bit later in the debate. Many people,
if you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one

(32:30):
of those moments. I think they actually buried it on purpose.
They need to check a box, ask a question about
the about housing. But there was a moment there where
JD van sees on like, well, yeah, of course home
prices are going.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
To be up.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You let fifteen to twenty million people in this country,
they got to have a roof over their head at night.
They're competing with you, especially for low cost housing and apartments,
which is skyrocket and price undoubtedly.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
And CBS really beclowned themselves on this because because one
of the moderators chimed in and said, well do you
have any evidence of that? What proof do you have
of that? And JD, to his credit, was prepared and said, well,
actually there's a Federal Reserve study that lays out the
impact of illegal immigration driving up the cost of housing,
and we'll put that out on social media right now
so you can go read the study. But he also

(33:15):
made the point of just supply and demand. What do
you think an additional eleven and a half million people
is going to be bending housing is going to do?
Do you do these houses magically get created from the sky?
Is there a wand that makes makes them come into existence?
And the moderators just didn't like that point, and so

(33:36):
they were but they looked pretty silly when they asked
if he had any evidence, and the answer was, well, yes.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I love The other day on TV they were talking
about the price of hotels in New York City of skyrocketed. Yeah,
because I think it's like one out of x summer
of every hotels is filled with illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
They're taking away hotel room of course.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
So then they get more for the hotel rooms that
are available. You and I I don't even know if
did you know I got stranded in New York City
and there wasn't a single hotel room after we came
back from the airport.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Did I tell you this? So this is how bad
it is.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And this is when I learned like really, firsthand, I
went the airport, was on the plane, was on the
plane for like four hours. They finally cancel the fight.
We pulled back up the gate and they say go
back in the city. So immediately get on the phone.
I called Fox. I'm there for TV. I'm like, hey,
I'm going to need a hotel room. And I got
to get back to the city. And then I get
into a fight back in the morning to Houston, and
she was like, no problem, I'll callit in a minute.

(34:30):
Go ahead and head down the cars and we'll get
you back to the city. She said, I've never seen
this before. There's not a single hotel room in the city.
And I'm like not. And it wasn't like there was
like the super Bowl going on. This is a normal
Tuesday in New York. And I was like, are you kidding. Well,
then I open up my app and I'm like, I
get on Expedia. There are no hotel rooms. They start

(34:50):
looking in New Jersey, They're looking everywhere. Finally, the only
option was to go back to the city and hope
that someone doesn't come to a hotel room. I set
outside of the hotel. I always stay at know the
manager and I walked in. He's like, Benny, He's like,
this is because of all the illegal immigrants in the city.
He goes, there's no hotel rooms to deal with a capacity.

(35:10):
I set outside to one in the morning until finally
someone canceled the hotel and then he checked me into
that room at one o'clock. So I sat there from
seven to one am. My fight was at six and
mornings I slept for like three hours. And he said,
this is what they've done to our city, referring to
the illegal immigrants and how many have come in. And
when I say there was an it was there was
not a hotel room in the city. That's what's happening

(35:33):
now because of legal immigration Centater. I want to talk
and wrap on the issue of style. You know, you
and I both thought this was going to be a
intense debate. They don't like each other, They're going to
throw down. I think we're also gotten kind of used
to that with Donald Trump. That's what we've seen over
the last several years. Joe Biden likes to do that
as well. We've seen a lot of the Republican debates

(35:55):
primary debates.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
By the way Hillary and Trump was nasty. They were
Bill nasty.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Oh yeah, I mean down and tonight I didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I did enjoy a little bit of civility, absolutely, and
that was something we haven't seen. But I also think
if it was a strategy by the by the Trump team,
Hey you're gonna be the likable guy. You're gonna try
to bring more people into the tent. I want you
to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice.
They nailed it. If that was the intent tonight.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, Look, I think JD came across as as real
and relatable. He did a good job of telling his
own family story and his own background, I mean his
you know, he wrote a best selling book, Hill Billy LG.
Was made into a movie, a very very good movie,
a movie that's terrific to watch. And but yet a
lot of people don't know that story. He's been a

(36:48):
caricatured just just like Trump has. And and I think
tonight made real progress making him seem like a real person,
seem like a husband and a father, and and you know,
someone who is has has journeyed from very humble beginnings
to to right now being the nominee to be vice

(37:10):
president of the United States. That's that's one heck of
a journey.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
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