Episode 7: Whoopi Goldberg

A true EGOT pioneer, Whoopi Goldberg, joins The Best Podcast Ever to talk about how farts changed her life, why she was terrified by a young Raven, how Billy Crystal & Robin Williams inspired her work and why Cancel Culture just doesn’t make sense to her. All this and the concept of “lesbian energy.” Get ready for a truly magical episode with Raven, Miranda and a genuine living legend…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome back, Welcome back to the best podcast ever. My
name is Raven, my name is Miranda. How you doing, babe.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know I'm a little sweaty.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah. It's been hot.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's hot as hell out here in these streets.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
These streets have been hot.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Very very much so. And I've been running around this
house and the window above the bed is just blaring.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah. And the thing I love about that is that
the sun only blares on you. Yeah, glares, blars.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Blairs, it's blaring.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It just just and I look at you, and you
look like this glowing angel with sweat beads on her
nose and upper lip.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And sweat keeps you young, doesn't it just maybe not.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Keeps you moisturized?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Moist?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I actually liked.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
That word, the word moist.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I actually like the word moist. I think it's
because it's there's only a few words in the English
language that totally encapsulate the feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Encapsulate, encapsulate and.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Capsulate, encapsulate the feeling, the emotion, the sound, the smell,
like moist does.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's really gross?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't like the word moist, but I was thinking
about something that happened to us recently, we went to
an event. It was fun. We had a little date
night out and as we were leaving, you got kind
of cornered by a gentleman who really wanted your contact information.
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And he when you were like, dude, I do not
know you. But then he asked you for something, not
your email or your phone number, oh, your business card.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Asked me for my business card. You know what you guys? Listen.
I appreciate a person who gets three thousand business cards
made because they're profession requires them to share a cool
version of a Pokemon card in real life, but like,
I don't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Have you ever had a business card?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I have had a card. I have had a card
that had my business information on it, but it didn't
say Raven Simone's business card. It was like my production
company and here's my manager. And it was like four
hundred of them. Because I thought I was cool, it
was I was seventeen.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, is it you hand them out to like three people? Huh?
And how did you go about that? Like, hey here
here did you just like slip it?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
This was before like this was like during the two
way moment. This was like before even in stat Instagram,
So like, yeah, if you needed my manager's information, I
stopped remembering phone numbers in nineteen seventy two, so like
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I never had a business card? No, no, why not?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Nit?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Just no, like, never had a prof like you said,
that would kind of lend itself to that. And it's
also just so not the generation. I mean, my dad
had business cards. Oh, Warner Brothers made him a business card.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
So you know, have you ever were you a part
of the creation of the business card my father's Yeah,
Like did you watch him create it?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, not at all. I don't think he created it.
I think that the studio gave it to him. I don't.
I have no idea. We should ask him. But I
was given a business card, a card.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You were given a card.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I had a very very interesting interaction Mickey Rourke.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, so wow. It's pretty epic and I still actually
carry it in my wallet to.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
This Why why the fuck do you carry Mickey Rourke's
business card? And what information is on it?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, I guess business card. Who knows if it's actually
technically that. But here's the story. I was working on
a movie called Gangster squad. Mickey was in the movie.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes, we were face just joking.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
We were shooting downtown and it was a night shoot.
It was late, and he and I got into a conversation,
you know, because you sit around and wait a lot
as an actor.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And start having conversations with Mickey Rourke. Continue, Well, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, he was the actor sitting around and waiting. So
he started having a conversation with whatever. Anyway, So we
start having this conversation and he says, hey, hey, hey,
I have something for you. I want to give this
to you.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I would have embraced myself immediately.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Right, I kind of did, but I was like, it's fine.
And in the background, people are yelling fire in the hole,
and because it was a shoot him up scene, it
was very it was it was a tense moment, but
also a very like interesting moment. And he goes, I
want to give something to you, and I said okay,
and he goes into his back pocket. Mind you, he's
in costume and he's carrying this in his costume pocket.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Because not only does he need to carry this around,
but on a set that he obviously had been working
on for more than three days already, yeah, so just
in case anybody that he's already been working with needs
his business card.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Continue, So he pulls out his wallet and then opens
it and hands me this card and it's laminated wow,
And it's a photo of him.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
What year do you know? Like which facelift, which pre facelift?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
But his hair is like basking in the wind there,
and I'm gonna have to like post this to socials
so people can see this. But his hair is basking
to the wind and he's holding a small little Chihuahua.
And so it's him and the chihuahua on one side,
and then on the back it's just the Chihuahua and
it says Loki.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So it's technically not his business card. It was his
dog's business card.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Maybe, And I'm now kind of trying to remember. I
think that that dog had just passed and was very
close to him. Maybe it was like an a commemorative card.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Like the dog again, a Pokemon collector's edition of Loki's
Chihuahuan Life Life.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
And could I trade it?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't know, well, I would like to just thinking
about that, what if there were celebrity trading cards like
but not like just normal baseball, you know, with their stats,
like relationship cards like oh this is who had like
eighty million divorces. Babes, like give me somebody Elizabeth Taylor,

(06:18):
Like Elizabeth Taylor with husband number one, that's a gold card.
Husband number two is the platinum card, and you can
like trade it back and forth, like Michael Jackson and
Brooke Shields gets a card and then so does like
Michael Jackson and the Monkey.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
So it would only be for relationships, I don't know,
Michael Jackson and the Monkey. Use you're ri like it,
You're oh, my goodness, Okay, so you think it could
only be for relationships, though I.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Don't think it could be only for relationships. It could
also be like really interesting moments in pop culture, like
the Britney Spears shaved head moment versus the Blanket fiasco.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
So you would have to make a deck and there
would only be one card of each of these things, right,
Like I'm trying to figure out how it would get
to a point where people would actually want and trade
them versus just like going online and then printing out
another photo of that moment.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, like for instance, the Madonna series, I'm gonna trade
my Madonna twoenty twenty facelift card for your Madonna, like
a Virgin card. Like that's like a real one on
one trade in my opinion, because that was a really
important moment in music and like a really important moment

(07:28):
in general. Like I just feel, you know, like, what
would be your one to one for celebrities.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
My one to one for a celebrities mode, Well, it
would be like Jlo in the Versace green dress versus
j Lo on the yacht in the bikini in the
music video where Ben Affleck is like pulling this string.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Do you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I would trade the Versace for the pull string? You would?
I would? I would trade that for sure, like immediately, Yeah,
it's good trade. I think we should start a celebrity
a celebrity a celebrity deck, a celebrity deck, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And then you know what would be super cool to
have like the goat slash egot section.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, that right there is at least thirteen thousand mana
points in card conversation. Those who know know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, it's a it's a cartoon when you have a
lot of energy in different like Zelda or things like that,
or different cards.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh, this is Pokemon.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
This is like poke. Well Zelda is not Pokemon, but anyway,
keep going Pokemon. But like you have Mana, you have
energy qq e goot thirteen bars of Mana, twelve bars
of rog What would be your favorite egot celebrity card?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Hands down? I would have to say her initials start
with the W energy. I mean that's when you say
you got. Sorry to interrupt you, but when you say
you got. Who comes to mind?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, not a lot of people because I don't research
it much. Literally only one person. But there's a few
people we can look online right now. The list is small,
is it?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's like, that's that's past a triple threat.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
There's about eighteen egots in the entire world, and we're
about to talk to one of them. I can't wait, babes,
let them know who it is.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's Hoppy A. Gold Berg.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Welcome to the Best podcast ever with Raven and Miranda.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I am so pleased to be here. Oh never have
I been on the best podcast ever with Raven and Miranda?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, first or making Dreams Happen as well you should,
damn it. That is that is what we're all about,
making your dreams. I'm true.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Let me just start with love you. Thank you so
much for doing this with us. We appreciate you and
your busy schedule. Oh no, we got time for the
whoop my story the first week. There's so many things.
My wife and I woke up this morning. We normally
don't do a lot of like pre chatter talk in
the morning. We normally like I love you, I love
you too, and then we go to work. But we knew,

(10:15):
but we knew that you were coming on to.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Do that with my cat. I just just say you
now you.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
We knew you were coming on, and we have never
been in the position to talk to you like this.
So we actually learned a lot of we had to
learn about you. We had to learn how ledge of
fucking dairy.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
You are ledg of fucking Larry, and we.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Just talked about that word. First of all, let's break it, Larry.
I love that word. I've never heard it before, but
I will carry it proudly. Yes, when people say what
are you, I'm gonna say I'm ledg of fucking there because.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You asked what I you're a ledge of fucking dairy.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Shadow of a goddamn doubt.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
For sure, without a doubt. So that being said, we
had to start at the beginning. And let's be honest
us just a baby bit.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I want the dog to sit with us, because I
feel the dog feels like, why am I over here?
You talking to the legend fuckingdry whooping go over you
know I love that bitch. Why am I over here
on my own pillow? Why aren't I sharing the lime
pillow with you? This is what This is what the
dog is saying.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, you can bring your dog. We no longer have
dogs over your whoops.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I don't have a dog either, So what was that
sound that I heard? I thought it was a dog barkain.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's probably just my It's probably just Raven.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Just releasing, scratching, scratching, all kinds of things. So what
do you want to know?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That you everything?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
But let me just say this for all the listeners, listen,
we have there's a million different people in this world,
people that are here, people that are not here. There
are people in a newer generation that might not understand
the importance.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Of the icon.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
The not the human sitting in front of us, but
the whole encompassing human of what a Whoopie Goldberg is
and what she has done for the community as a whole,
for women period, to say, as a whole. We're not
going to go into that part of your life.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
We'll get there later.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Okay, we'll get there later, as as a as a
woman period, as a black person period, as a comedian period,
and even showcasing to my wife, Listen, I you were
one of the people that I had to study, that
I had to know about if I was going to
be in the industry, you know what I mean. And

(12:56):
you had so many amazing things that we researched from.
Now I'm going to say the wrong name, but not
comic comic relief mus from the Broadway show the One
Woman Show that got you into color Purple Slash.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Just the first question I want to ask, Well, I
think that all of that is like, very wonderful, thank you,
But before we go into all of that, okay, I
really want to come through with my one question, yes,
which is who calls you Karen?

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, my mother used to. My mom and my brother
used to unless we were outside. If we were outside,
they would always refer to me as swoopee. But uh,
and people who have known me, like you know, people
I went to school with, you know, in the first grade,

(13:50):
they still call me Karen, and the neighborhood still calls
me Karen. But also they mix it, okay, mix it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
And where did whoopee come from?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
It came from me being a champion Farr.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's why I love her so much.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Did it really? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Because I was working in a small theater that didn't
really have much backstage space because we got this space
that we could use the city gave to us as
a theater in San Diego, and we were doing I
think we were doing Christmas Carol and we had to
change clothes and it wasn't a lot of space. And

(14:30):
you know, my mother always said more room out than in. Yes,
you know. And because I eat pretty well, I know
that's a shock to y'all. But I had a very
clean system. My farts did not consented, but very comfortable

(14:50):
just letting them rip. And day somebody saying, my god,
you like a fucking whoope cushion, so they'd go, hey,
whoop be cussion. Then I was whoop bee cushe oh.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Whoopy cushon.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Couchamp I love. My mother said, I don't think that's
really woop be Coucheon. Sounds like a joke name. But
I think you if you're going to really continue to
be a serious artist, and you can have any name
you want, but you need to weigh it in something.

(15:24):
And I said, okay, great namers namer of the Stars.
And she said, well, there's several names you can you know,
they're all from different parts of the family. And she
said I think this I like this one, and she
said Whoop Goldberg. And I was like, okay. And then
after everything happened, I was like, what can I do

(15:45):
for you? Ma? What do you what do you need?
You want never ever to have to work again? Done?
You want to travel the world until you're bored with
the world. Done? Whatever you want? You wanna? You want
to coat and a Derby hat? You got it. Wow,
that's how it happened. And she just, you know, she

(16:06):
I don't really know what made her say that, but
she felt that I would not be taken seriously. I
don't know why she thought I'd be taken more seriously
as WHOOPI Goldberg, but clearly she was right.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
She was right, and it's interesting in our industry what
a name change does, because there's another woman in this
industry that we actually, in a weird way connected you to,
Marilyn Monroe. And the reason we got to Marilyn was
because I was like, Babes, do you know any other
celebrity in the history of our live slash industry female

(16:42):
who has such an iconic hairstyle for her entire career?
And you know right now and it's you and Marilyn Monroe.
And I feel like I would love to hear your
take on your locks because starting in the industry, you know,
I don't know what you went through, so I want
to know, but I do know what girls are going

(17:05):
through now when you have locks going into Like, what
was your journey with your locks?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, I mean, no one ever said you can't have those.
I mean if you were kind of spooked by me
because they didn't know what was gonna happen if they
said some So no one really said you can't have them.
And then I would get letters from people saying, you know,
I'm in the military and they're telling you my hair

(17:30):
is dirty and blah blah blah. So I've tried to
always have them where you could see them. Now, there
have been a couple of great women, particularly black women,
who made it a point to keep their locks. I'm
trying to Roslyn, it'll come back to me, but she's

(17:52):
in Let me look it up for you. Yeah, she's
in the Omega man In Cash, it's her name, Rosin Cash.
Rosin Cash always had dreadlocks, but when she worked you
didn't see them, so she would always have an afro up.
But as I was, as I understand, she always had locks,

(18:15):
and I was like, listen, if it's if it calls
for me to have my hair, I'm just gonna leave
it as it is. And my girl, Julia Walker, who
really started doing my hair right after Color Purple. You know,
she sort of wrote the book for folks on how
to deal with locks, how to clean them, how to
do all kinds because it was nobody, you know. So

(18:38):
if we needed a big wig, if I needed to
wear a wig, she built a big wig. And then
we likes for Sister Act. I wore two wigs for
Sister Act, two wigs in my own hair.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I asked when Raven and I were talking about that
this morning, I said, she was like, I don't think
we'll be not had locks for years and years, and
I was like, no, sister act she she had her
hair out and big. It wasn't it was a wig.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I remember being on the view with you and you
had to wear a wig, and I remember the journey
that braiding it down and dealing with it and it.
You know, wig makers are magical humans just in general.
It's a magical moment.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I want to ask for our next question.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I know, go go, go brave. It is so ready.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'm so ready and I and I'm a really bad
interviewer right now because I'm jumping from one thing to
one thing.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
This is the that's the greatest you Derek did your hair. Yes,
you know what he can do and he you know,
I did teenage mutant Ninja turtles. He built me a
wig big enough. You remember that I do to put
everything in and I went, you know, went on my
way and nobody said a word. No.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
But I think that people were in this weird place
in this country now when people who have no experience
with the fact that our hair comes in five thousand
different tech stairs, they want to know, you know, how

(20:05):
do you do that? Or they will say you know, well,
it can't be clean. Yeah, absolutely can be and it
is ninety nine point nine percent of the time. Yeah,
every now and then you get some dust on your scalp,
you know, but we're really good. You can't smell our hair, but.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So does every human. So does every human get dust
on their scalp or whatnot?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
A tea tree oil treatment. That's why it smells good.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
There was a girl and get scared. They get scared
of this. They say, oh my god, I don't understand.
It doesn't flow the way mine does. Well, that it
doesn't flow the way us does. The best thing to do,
it's not assume that it's dirty. Assume it's really clean,
because we don't want to have dirty hair either. You know,

(20:51):
let them know. Let them know.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And your hair is beautiful. I've always thought it was beautiful,
and you have getting better.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
It does all kinds of weird stuff now because it's happening.
It doesn't know what it wants to be.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I've gone literally, I've seen her thick, thick ones. They're
a little bit smaller now. Her head was shaved.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I love.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know, a lot of people don't understand just because
you have locks doesn't mean that you can't have styles.
You know, the styles that come with locks are gorgeous.
You did have one lock journey that I wasn't a
fan of, THEO whoops, And I just wanted to let
you know it scared the crap out of me. The
blonde ones, the white, the stark white one. I liked those.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I was afraid they were more meant to scare you
because I was doing a Stephen King movie. I was scanned. Yeah,
so you're supposed to be scanned. I was supposed to
be one hundred and twelve years old or something.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
See, you know, I tell you the truth. I just
want you to know.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I tell you the truth. I thought they were so cool.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
They were the weirdest things I've ever seen. Okay, listen here,
here's a question I have. Now I just need to
rack your brain. Okay, there's two people on a street.
Will these two people be friends? And I'm going to
say their names? Okay Fontaine and Tyrone Biggins. Yeah, would
they be bestie?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Wait? Absolutely, we agree.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
If nobody knows what I'm talking about, Woopie. Goldberg has
a fantastic character from her days on stage of Fontaine Heroine, Like,
what was his choice. What was his choice?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
He was he chose everything. He chose everything. But he
was well read and quite educated.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Very educated. And Tyrone Biggins, if y'all don't know Dave
Chappelle blah blah blah blah, I'm bringing this up because
you have been a part of some amazing characters throughout your.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Career, made amazing characters.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Made amazing characters, and also have championed amazing characters in
other people moms maybe and so on. And I was
just going through it with Miran. I was like, Okay,
Tyrone Biggins, you know he got that something from you
mama's house. You know they got that from moms? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, do I not? But that's why it's out there.
It's out there for other people to evolve, evolve it
and make it something new. But you always know where
you came from. I mean, you know, if you listen
to any of my stuff, you know I took all
that style from Richard Pryor and from Robin Williams and

(23:22):
from Billy you know I took him. I took from
the best and evolved it for me. And you know,
there there's a there's something kind of wonderful when people
leave you little they don't call them tomatoes, little cookies

(23:42):
that you pick up. And not all cookies are for everybody,
but the cookies I picked up worked well for me,
you know, so I was lucky.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Y'all were the best inverse oreo I've ever seen. Just
watching a chocolate drop in the middle of the vanilla oreos.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That my No, seriously, it's so true. What do you
think Whoopy, Billy and Robin?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's like it's like heaven.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I mean, it's insane. Do you miss stand up?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I do, and I don't because I never you know,
I never did stand up. Actually, I was just a storyteller.
Stand ups, you know, you have to you gotta you
have to have joke, joke, joke. Robin was a stand up.
He was also a storyteller. But Billy is a storyteller. Yeah,

(24:33):
you know, Billy tells stories and he just takes you
with him. You know, did I ever tell you this story?
The first time I actually ever saw Billy, he was
on some TV show and he was talking about Victor Mature,
who was an actor in the fifties. He's like Demetrius
and the Gladiators and as doing these things. So he

(24:55):
is doing this voice. He's acting as Victim Mature, but
he has a bowl of potato chips on the table
next to him, and he says, this is Victim Mature
walking through the jungle. And he does this whole scene,

(25:16):
and every time he'd take a step, he'd crunch the
potato and then he would, you know, tippy toe. It
was so brilliant, and I just said, that's what I want.
I want to be innovative. I want to find things

(25:37):
in the craziest places.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
And you know, so I got.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I got the things that I loved to do from
all the people I loved watching doing.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
The way you're explaining it, it sounds more like art.
It sounds more like avant garde entertainment and art and
kind of puppeteering of the human body rather than what
people might think of.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And it's also smart, it's clever. It's ways of speaking
about something or sending a message without being so overt
and being playful in something. I mean, it takes intelligence
and artistry.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yes, yes. And the thing that I realized with Billy
is what he allowed the audience to do is you
didn't have to be a seeing member of the audience.
Oh yes, honey, you know what I mean. You did
not have to be because he made he painted the
picture for you. So if you were seeing person, you

(26:39):
saw what he was doing. But if you weren't a
seeing person, you were just you were right there with him.
And I love I love intelligent, intelligent transformation because this
kind of stuff is you know, it used to be

(26:59):
called performance art.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's what I was trying to say, performance art.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
That's what that's what that's what my storytelling used to
be called. And then when I when people started coming
to the theater, they were like, oh, no, you're a comic.
It's like, uh no, I'm not. You know, so it
it goes. It's constantly again transitioning, because that's what art is.

(27:27):
And so I miss being able to get up and
talk to people about the insanity that is.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
What was it called Earth life with Anxiety America.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
All those things. But I was really focused on menopause.
Oh because people ten years ago, fifteen years ago, when
I was in it, people weren't talking about it. So
I talked about all the stuff that I was going
through because I'd say, well, you know, you dry up

(28:06):
and so you're walking down the street and you're here
random to see who it is. And then you look
down and you realize there's a trail of sand behind you.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
You already opposite of moist.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know. And so people would start laughing and say
come on and say nope, that's what it is, you know,
or you want to you decide yes, you're gonna be intimate,
and you can't get in.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, the door is locked in the opposite it's locked.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's it's puckered and it's closed. And then you're talking
about get off me, it's hot.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That part. That part, I say that right now, right now,
you know.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, there are all of these things that you
want to say to people. Listen, this is gonna happen
no matter what, because you're a woman and this is
in your body and this is what's coming. And all
you can do is laugh about it. In the old days,
when I was a kid, all I wanted to do
is get a period. Oh god, because that been you

(29:12):
were a woman. And then I got that shit and
I didn't want it anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Save babe, that's what I want this bitch. I remember
getting it and I said, if this means being a woman,
because my mom was like, oh, Miranda, it's so beautiful.
Embrace it. You're a woman. And I was like, fuck that.
If this means being a woman, I don't want to
be a woman anymore. No, ye, you guys, good buy.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
When I got my period, I was with my dad
at the time, and I woke up to a crazy
bed and he was like, call your grandma. I was like,
why don't have to call my grandma. She'll know what
to do. She was like, go get the belt. And
I was like, I'm not in trouble. What are you
talking about. She's like, go get the belt. You know
you got to put your pat in the belt. I said, lady,
this is not nineteen forty two.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I need a pad. Listen. I showed people on stage
the imaginary belt. I also introduced them to the imaginary girdle,
which is actually only this big. Oh it's that big,
but you have to pull it, and you had to
put it on the end of the what do you

(30:09):
call doorknob and pull so you can get your leg in.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Stop it, stop it.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh god, it was crazy. You'd have to pull that
and then you try to get your other leg in
because you're still now holding it. And we got one
leg in and one leg out, it's on the doorknob,
and you're thinking, why am I doing this? Why? Why
am I doing it? Well, because they said that's what
we needed to do. And when we had to deal

(30:37):
with all those belts, we had to put the belt on.
You then had to put the the front of the
path through the belt thing and make sure it stuck.
And then you had to do the same in the back.
But you couldn't see because that was your behind back there,
and you never looked at your own behind. Why we
get it in there because it's too hard to turn around.

(30:57):
It's just too hard to turn around. And then there
you were, and you would be walking like a cowboy
because the pads with this bed.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But let's let's keep it, let's keep it real. Whooping took, however,
for the pad and the tampon to even come to life.
They the real tampon, And please fact check me everyone,
I know you fucking will, But the real tampon really
truly wasn't evided to wartimes, the one that could actually
go inside of us, and they haven't changed the formula
since then.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
But here's there a question. Let a man design that ship.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
That same man who designed the bikini, the heels, the
bra and anything else.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That we got it with birth, every everything. Sit down man,
every gynecologist who's a man who says, I know what
needs to happen to you, go sit down.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I would tell Vagina then talk to me. Nowadays, build
everything else. Vagina actually actually amazing woman just gave birth. Uh.
She was born without a uterus. I heard this, No
extraordinary woman. She was born without a uterus, and because

(32:09):
science is so incredible it allowed her toy. They built
a uterus for her, which she had, and I believe
she carried her child to she I think her. I
think that's what they said. An extraordinary stuff happening in
science in the States or yes, in the States. She's

(32:33):
in Alabama.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh oh, she's going to go into it. You know,
my do love a wife's whole brain is tantalizing.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I just can't believe.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's enough to look her up. It's an extraordinary story.
And I stopped just short of saying because now I'm
not sure she carried the baby, but she she now
has a little baby boy, which is fantastic. It made
me cry when I saw her because I thought, you know,
this is something she really wanted, and she said, I

(33:00):
kind of felt like I was supposed to bring this
to here for other people to know that there are
we can still participate in all of this. I mean,
it's extraordinary. People are taking things away from folks, but
here's this woman who gave a gift to millions of

(33:20):
women around the world, which I just was thrilled with.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's beautiful. It's nothing else is new. I mean, I
just kind of wanted to step back a little bit
about the storytelling conversation because one person kept coming to
my head and I just want to touch on a
little bit longer, because that's why I love you, Like, yeah,
you're on the view and I worked with you. You're awesome.
But the woman that I grew up in watching George

(33:48):
Carlin go.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yes one great minds ever ever ever another genius. You
know when I was a kid, he was doing he
had just sort of come through with the hippie dippy
weather man, and I understood him, like I got him,
and he would say things like, well, I don't know,

(34:10):
it might rain yes man or stuff talking about stuff stuff,
and you know, why are we doing the things we
do when we have all these you know, all this
space on the planet and we're playing.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Golf that Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I love him.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
His mind was fantastic, and I think that he I
wish he were here because I would love to hear
his definition of this insanity that's happening.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I would love to hear his idea of cancel culture,
like he would go all the way in yah.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, And what is I you know, is it cancel culture?
Because people don't get what you're doing. So you figured
because you don't get it, nobody else will get it.
So I'm going to stop you from doing it. Because
I always I miss the days where listen, it wasn't

(35:10):
my copaty and all I had to do is not
watch that part.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, that part.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Sometimes I feel like the people who created cancel culture
grew up in a household whose parents weren't innovative enough
to talk to them when they got in trouble. All
they know is to punish.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't like what you did go in the court.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
When we talk about this a lot, because I often
think that in situations nowadays that we see when people
are becoming canceled, I'm like, that is such a beautiful
opportunity not to shame and shun a person, but to
offer education and learning and conversation that can help, because
I think that most times people react out of fear
or ignorance and they shut other people down because they

(35:49):
just don't know how to react. But in turn, you
could have a healthy dialogue that shows two different perspectives
coming to a space where the result can be I
don't agree, you don't agree, but we can mutually agree
to disagree and respect each other.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
But yeah, and even when you know you don't agree,
then don't.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Go the exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Don't engage, you know what.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's the thing. No one is. No one is forcing
anyone to go and participate. You're you don't you don't
dig drag queens, then don't go to a drag show.
You don't like h gay marriage, don't go to a
gay wedding. You know you don't have You are not
obligated in this country to do anything you are not

(36:36):
comfortable doing. I don't see why I understand that and
you don't.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Same, And I don't understand what we talk about.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I don't understand why if we're supposed to be the
land of the free, we can't be if that's literally
saying you can't be free to do what you want to.
It's only a double standard in that sense because people, well,
this country is run this way. No it's not. It's actually,
don't kill nobody on purpose, and like, don't steal for me,
move on, get out of my business, and move on.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think, what do you guys think about the personality
that feels entitled enough or inclined to have to do
those things? Like I am kind of fascinated by the
mental psychology of the human who looks at let's say,
a gay couple and goes iogross in their head and

(37:25):
then thinks that they have to say eogross or.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Have you change policies for those people not to get
with it, feels.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Inclined to like send me a message in my DMS
to tell me that I'm going to hell, and I'm like,
what do you not have anything else to do in
your damn day? Like you don't have a kid or
a dirty dig You.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Know the response to that, you know, the response to
your going to hell?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
See you there totally.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I know. My response is always on a bullet train, bitch,
like let's go see you all the way things. I
just don't get it because I don't relate to that
at all in myself, because we don't do it.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
You don't do that, you're not in other people's business.
It's like, what do you care who I love? Why
is it important that you tell me about who I love?
What I'm not telling you who you love. I'm not
going in your business, you know. And I just don't understand.

(38:24):
People say, no, you know, I don't like this, and
that's fantastic. I applaud the fact that you don't like it.
You don't need to do it, you don't have to go,
but get out of my face, because.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I do like it exactly exactly. Speaking of love and
like staying out of people's business, I just I want
to just dig into your business a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
This is a safe space.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
But sometimes, honestly, when I was around you, I loved
you so much, like I just wanted to be up
underneath the titty the whole time. But that's also because
you just kind of gave me lesbian and vibe.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
It was easy just lift up and put on this book,
put them over.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah shit, But like sometimes whoops, you give me lesbian vibes,
you give me, like stud vibes.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think this is actually just a secret fantasy of
raven Is. I think she just wants everyone to be
gay and she's just really hoping you're going to come
out right here, right now.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
So if you want to tell us anything, whoops, you're
more than welcome.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Women have been asking me this for as long as
I've been around. I am not a lesbian, but I
know lots of them and I've played them on television,
you know. But you know, I have always had lesbian
friends because they're just my friends, you know. And it's like, well,

(39:42):
that's I'm not going to kiss you, but I'll kiss
you over here. I'll do this, but I'm not going
to do this, And I'm like.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, which makes me happy because I can also say,
you know, to all those people who judge the lesbian
community or the gay community, there is something beautiful about
a woman being a able to embrace their masculine and
feminine at the same time and wear it so well
like you do. And I'm just saying it's like, it's fantastic.

(40:09):
You're not either one or the other. You're just a
human living in your body and it doesn't really correlate
to sexual orientation or any of that. It's just the
way you present and it's so warming. And I think
that's another reason you've succeeded in the industry, because you know,
there's some women out there it's like, all right, put

(40:30):
them away, thank you so much. Or then there's some
women it's like, okay, you're not a Okay, calm down,
calm down, take your hand off your cross.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
But you live in this duality so well, and I
just want to applaud.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You for that.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Well. Thanks, But you do know that that God created
us in a duality. I mean, if we if we
believe that Adam was God made Adam yep. And then
Adam said, look, I need some company. I need a friend.
He started singing, I need a man, perhaps a man

(41:06):
like you. But then guy said you need a man?
He said, well not at the moment. Can you make
me a friend? And what did God do? Went into
Adam's body, removed a rib. Okay, let me do. I'm
Magan from here. So we are a duality, we're both
God does not make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah. So you know when people say, oh, you know
it's this or it's that it isn't this or that,
it just is.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
When you're on the best podcast ever, we do something
called spinning a wheel, and that just is. It's what
we do. So Raven's going to spin this wheel. It's
going to land on a random word will Bee. We
don't know what it is, and then we're all going
to talk about it, all right, And the word is magicians.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Oh he's a great magician in Manhattan called Ossi Wind.
If you get back here, this guy, I've never seen
anything like this Assi Wind.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
It's he is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Why why is the Extraordinaries better than Blackstone? Keep going?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah? Because he So we get there and everyone who
is in this this audience, about four hundred people maybe
less writes their name on a name tag, which he
then takes, and the people who are sitting at the
table this audience members at the table. He takes all
the name tags and he mixes him up, so when

(42:45):
he's calling for somebody, he just picks up a name tag.
He ended up picking up a name tag of Stephanie,
who works in my office. And he said, I'm going
to pick up these tags and I'm just gonna hand
you the tag. The other tags I picked up. So

(43:09):
he mixes them up again, and he picks up two
more tags and gives them to her, I think. And
then he says, so take a look at him and
if there's anybody that you know and there, then put
them in your pocket. And then he says, so give
me the other two and he writes a note to that.

(43:29):
Now she hasn't looked to see. She just knows that
she knows this person. She doesn't know the other people
in the things. So he says to her, I'm going
to write a note to this person, and I want
you to just put it in your pocket. So the
two of us know, but nobody else knows.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
So she puts the note in her pocket and close
to the end of the show, he says, you still
have that note I gave you, and she says, yes,
she said. He says, give it to the person who
who you knew that in the group of people there.
So she hands it to the man. He says to him,

(44:14):
so read what it says, and it says, hi Jonathan
wo Okay, Okay, Now this guy is extraordinary.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
That's wild.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
As he went wild.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
We went to an event recently and a man came
up to us and he said he was a magician,
and he handed us his business card, and then he
asked us to write a word on a notepad, and
he handed us a pendent a notepad and he said,
write anything you want. And I wrote the word gushers.
And he had his back to us as we wrote them.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He was actually at the bar. He was like ordering
a drink.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
So then we ripped the piece of paper off, crumple
it up, put it in our pocket. He comes back,
takes a notepad, and I said to Raven, I was like,
write so faintly, because I thought maybe what he was
going to do was have the pressure from the paper
would leave the impression on the next piece of Okay,
So he wrote so faintly. We check it with nothing.
We give him back the pad of paper. He doesn't
even look at it. He takes his pad and pen

(45:09):
puts it back and he goes, okay, okay, And he
starts kind of doing this and thinking, and he goes,
I'm getting candy, no kids snack, and then all of
a sudden it goes gushers. And I was like, what,
how in the actual fuck did you just do that?
Like I was so mind blown mentalism. It was what, Yeah, mentalism.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Mentalism is a thing.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
So she reads believe in magic.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I believe there is a type of magic. I don't.
I understand mentalism is different. I don't think that that's magic.
I think that's mentalism. I think that's understanding the human
brain and what we go to. I think there are illusionists.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Because okay, what the fuck? Because he did he did
shit where you know, I always watch magicians. I always
watched them because it's easy for me to catch Yes, yes,
I was. You know, you would have thought I was
Sherlock Holmes with a big thing like this looking to

(46:04):
see him. This kid, this man was amazing, amazing.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
There are so many celebrities that love magic. And I
bring that up because I just wanted to name drop.
You know, my who's no longer here, Muhammad Ali was
a part of the Magicians Club, and he always had
this coin trick and I'm like, sir, you can't do
this coin trick. I'm three, like, you can't do nothing.
You kee you over here shaken. That's rude, But I
love him. He's shaking doing a coin katy shit and

(46:30):
loves it. There are so many you with your I
feel like, as actors or as people in the industry
that understand entertainment, we're a little bit more skeptical because
we know of the gimme gotcha, that is what it is.
But I do believe in magic in a sense of
vibrational energy, female magic, you.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Know, all that magic power is such a real thing.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
It is such a real thing.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I see that when I watch women give birth. I mean,
that is absolutely infectious, and that is a strength and
a power in a magic. I mean, I think that
we have magic in our lives every day. Yeah. I
mean honestly, Raven and I recently had a blood test
done and we were able to actually see our blood
under a microscope. And I was looking at my cells

(47:19):
and they were just like moving and floating and they
looked like cute little doughnuts and they were just like
living their life. And I was like, wow, I am
a this is magic. This is absolutely like magic School Bush.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Magic.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, it's magic school.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You you write, Babes, Magic School Bush. That was my
favorite show, you right, I like that show. It's such
a good show.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
That's a great show. But I mean there's I think
that there's magic all around us all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
If we look through that loan, Whoopy's house is magical.
I've been to Whoopy's house. We've both been to her house.
We have a special room. It's called the Miranda Raven Room.
I know she doesn't know about this, but we called
it that. And it's a beautiful view of the backyard
slash sideyard. But she has some magical ornaments in her
house and not in as well. We're not gonna talk
about the real magical one that you're not allowed to

(48:02):
look in the eye. Won't bring that up. But your
your tokens of your life, I think hold magical things,
Like if you could share with us some a token
in your house. It's like this came from the Dali Lama.
That's one of your magical tokens. Like, can you share
one of those magical things with us?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well, I mean I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna show
you one that's magical to me and I don't know why, but.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oh you did a kiddy. It's a black and white
cat statue.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
This cat, it looks like Tim Burton made it in
a funny way. That's exactly right. I don't think he
did this cat just says stuff to me. You don't
have any reason be pissed off today. You got no
reason to be pissed off. You could be me. I

(49:02):
could be and she goes off, you go off, you go.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
You are color coordinated. It's perfection.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I love that. Yes, she's just magical. And you know,
I have pictures of people who have been instrumental in
making me love the magic that is just the human element,
you know, like the Dalai Lama because his you know,
his attitude is there's lots in the world that's terrible,

(49:35):
but there's lots in the world that's magnificent. And we
can talk about the terrible things, but let us not
forget that there are magnificent things in the world as well.
And I keep that with me. And if you you know,
if you were to go on Amazon, there's a there's
a thing of his that you can buy that my
brother bought years ago that sat in his house and

(49:58):
after he passed, I couldn't find it. And then about
a year later I was going through some of his
stuff and it was like, well, where the fuck did
this come from? Because this is too big to have
been sitting in here. But you know, I believe that
it made its way to the house. It got here.

(50:19):
I don't know how it got here. I don't know
how it got in the door. I don't know how
it got in the closet. But when I opened the
closet was like, hey, I was like, where did you
come from? And it was just me. You know. So
magic happens all the time. People get scared of it
because you we think, oh, you know, what was that?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well, whatever it was, you're still breathing, so it must
have been.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Friendly, friendly, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
So magical stuff is everywhere. I think, I agree, and
we just have to say, Okay, I don't know how
that happened, but I'm glad it did.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Me too too, And I think magic magicians. Again, I'm
going to bring it back to entertainment, and you were
saying it's a little bit earlier. And I say this
a lot now, especially in my interviews, because I don't
have another way to put it. But what comedians do
as like a spoonful of sugar, we help the medicine
go down. We tell the truth. It comes from a

(51:15):
place of pain, to be honest. A lot of the times,
like I have this understanding that the real truth, the
hard truth, the painful truth. If you're a true, a
real one, you can make it funny, you can turn
it around. And I bring that up to say, the
magic of the comedian is that to take those moments

(51:40):
and manipulate it to where you're laughing.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I just think that that, I think that is also
a magical or a magician.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
In a way. I agree, Yeah, yeah, we are. We
are quite good people those who make people laugh, Yeah,
for sure. And you you know your magician, you're a healer.
You're doing all kinds of stuff that you don't even
know you're doing, but that's what's happening. And our truth,
you know your truth as you know it is your truth.

(52:08):
And so you put your truth out there and you
say this is this is the truth as I see it,
and other people say that's what I see too. Oh okay, yeah,
and we all have our truths. There are factual truths
and then there are truth truths.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Speak of saying one moti.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
There are factual truths and then there are truth truths.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Honey, if y'all don't if you don't, tat that on
your arm right now to realize how important sentence. It's
it's so real. I talk about it every day. Just
there are two things can be real. But one thing
is a truth for me, and one thing is a
truth for you. And then white is actually white. That
is a factual truth. There's a white color and it

(52:50):
looks that way. Everything else is all up in the middle.
It's it's crazy. Sorry, I'm like overtaking the combo babes.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You know you're great, go for it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Have you ever dealt with like, like, I'll tell you
my story first, Like you met me super young. Your
story of meeting me is hilarious. I don't know if
a lot of people think, but she said she was
scared of me. I was a weird little child.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Did she ever tell you this?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
She was this big and she's like oh. I was like, hey,
what the fuck was that? What was that?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
She was like a little puppet.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
In a funny way. It was like wait a minute,
Wait a minute. She's like, oh, then I dog what yuh,
I'm out here doing my thing, look at my work.
It's like, go ahead, I told you I'm six.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I was like, okay, yeah, there's a picture. There's a
picture of me on her lap.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I don't doubt this at all. I also would imagine
you'd be.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Like, and I drove here in my Corvette, Bye will
be probably almost almost What is that Night of a thousand?
Night of one hundred st Was that like that night?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Ooh?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
We talk?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Okay, I was going onto something else, but I was.
We were having a conversation with the Lawrence brothers a
couple of days ago and just talking about the industry
and the way that it's changed, Like what is our
version of Night of about one hundred stars? Like that's
it's so gone and done with.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
What I was actually coming to talk about was I've
been in the industry since I was sixteen months old.
I'm thirty seven now, and through that have dealt with
all kinds of things, great successes, losses, failures, wins, mental health.
And I just wanted to ask you, and forgive me
if I don't know this or if you've talked about
it in the industry, but have you ever dealt with

(54:42):
anything in the mental health world? Being that you are
a comedian. That mostly because I know the stress that
comes from a live television show where you have to
debate people on an everyday fucking basis and sometimes those
people be on a period and don't know when to

(55:02):
shut up. And sometimes those people don't know that this
is a television show, not real life. Shut up, like
do it?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
And everyone is like jumping down your throat, waiting for
a moment to make you go viral or blow you
up or to cancel you or so how do you
deal with that? I'm stressed and sweating right now when Zan.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Pits talking about how do I talk about it without
talking about it?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
How do you do it?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
How do you do how do you do it?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I just I you know, listen, I don't go out
to create an issue. Other people say, oh you did this,
and it was like, okay, that wasn't my intention, but okay,
and I try to remember that, you know, it is
I'm paid to do a job, and so I try

(55:47):
to do it. This is what I think, this is
what I do. This blah blah blah, and other people
have to deal with it, you know. And when I
first started with the job, you know, Barbara was really great.
She said, listen, everybody's not going to like your thought process.
Everybody's not going to understand where you're coming from, and

(56:07):
people are going to get really mad at you, but
I've got you.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
That's what would be said to me when I got there.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, you know, it's like, this is this You have
to know that this is what you face when you say,
this is not what somebody else thinks, this is what
I think. Because half the country doesn't agree with you,
and it's okay that they don't. That's the purpose of
the show. So you know, I never felt that I

(56:35):
was on the edge because you know, day one, I
got in trouble and they were like, listen, we get it,
but they don't understand. So just know we got you
and it's okay. And I've always proceeded that way. So
you know, I've been there a long time. And so

(56:56):
now I and the world has changed a whole bunch,
and so that at that world that was out there
has come closer. Now they're not here, but they're closer.
And their ability to embrace a different idea seems to
have gotten harder for people because they keep telling us

(57:20):
that that we're in a culture war. Well, you were
only in a war if you believe you're in a war.
I don't believe I'm in a war, so I don't
I don't respond to it. Like I'm in a war.
I want to understand what you want to tell me,
and then I want you to understand what I want
to tell you, and we can. You know, because I've

(57:43):
always had friends who were different than I was. Whether
they were Republicans or they were uh, Communists, it didn't
you know, it didn't matter what their what, what their
political thing was. You know, there was more to the
friendship than just that. And and the sad thing is,
I think in these days people don't allow for people

(58:05):
to have differences of thought process. Now you have to
sort of confer conform, and that's I've never been good
with that because my mother allowed me to be myself
my whole life. So I don't know why I would
change for somebody I don't know. You know, I knew

(58:28):
my mother.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
You know she sounds magical, She does sound she sounds magical.
I was gonna say, even in the in the naming
of Whoope Gouldberg, now that we know our word as magician,
the first thing I thought was like, Wow, there's a
magical essence to that. And just in hearing everything you
said will be I just want to take a moment
to say thank you, thank you, because your energy, like

(58:50):
right now, it makes me almost feel emotional. And when
I first met you, I felt something, and not because
I knew who you were, but really because on an
energetic level, you offer something that is so pure and
so unique. And I think that people in your life
would all know what I'm speaking to. Yep, people who

(59:10):
have been touched by you would understand it. But unless
you have been in your space, I don't think you
can really articulate it, which I'm not really doing, but
I'll say it's even But I'm correcting myself though, because
it's not even people who have to be in your
physical presence. I think it radiates out in everything that
you've done and everything you continue to do, and you
truly are. I see you as like this magical spark

(59:33):
of light and stardust almost and I just want to
say thank you because it's you're You're a rare, rare,
deeply special human. And when I first came into your
home and in meeting Raven and all of that, the
magic that I felt and I am it did feel

(59:55):
magical was so profound and impacted me and I just
I just I love you. I think you're such a special,
beautiful human.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I want to try to piggyback off of it too,
because there is a feeling like I can be on
the phone with you. I'm gonna call you, Auntie. I'm
gonna be on the phone with you, Auntie, or I
can be on your presence and I just smile from
the heart forward. And I do agree that unless you've
been in her actual presence and she's let you in
and like even just done this, you're not gonna fully
understand the magic that is will be Goldberg. You see

(01:00:28):
her on screen, there's a separate connection. You think of,
you know, Clay being done. You think of all the
characters from past, but you're not understanding the three name
their government, name like who that human is right and
who that person has created in order to face the world.
And it's not broken. It's not this broken soul going

(01:00:50):
around with celebrity around it. It feels intact. It feels
from source. So it brings us hope and it brings
us comfort, like I feel like a warm blank is
on my body when I'm around Whoops. Which is why
even when I was on a show with her, I
I knew that I would be in trouble, but I
knew that she had my back like she talked about,

(01:01:10):
because she has like this motherly, like mother Teresa type ship,
like not trying to blow up your head, you know
what it is like I'm not I'm not really gonna
look at you when I say it is it's like
some mother Teresa type ship when you talk to and
I have a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Mother named Teresa. And it's still, yes, and it's the same, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Still and it's not forget to bring up the asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
That is awesome, and that's the balance.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
It's all but seen but a lot of people have
and it's she's really she's rough, you know, she's rough,
and it takes a very long time for me to
get to her. And then once she unleashes, it's really
like not nice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
She was she ever unleashed during the photo shoot with Librawitz.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Oh my gosh, your photo shoot with Annie Lebowitz. That photo, Yeah,
she's just naked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Milk. I'm an asshole, yeah, depending on what day you
saw me. But you know, cats followed me for weeks
after that fule photo shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Stop it wait, I have a question about that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
How did I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Probably seem to love a cat? How did that come
to be was Annie, like, I want to put you
in a bathtub of milk, and you were like, for sure,
kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I think Rolling Stones said we want to do something
with you. I'm not sure. I think it. I think
that's how it happened. And I said, Okay, whatever you want.
I'm very easy, you know. And when you have people
who do things for a living, who are magnificent, you
know you want to put me on the back of
a rocket buck naked with a chili dog in my hand, Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Let's go and better be a Nathan's. Otherwise, don't talk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
To me because I know I know that you know
you know what you're doing and this picture is going
to be insane and like unlike anything else I'll ever do.
And I was right. I was never, never ever going
to get in another bathtub full of milk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I could be this person and say, could you look
at that as a little bit of racism.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Other people have brought that up. I don't. I think
that we were in existing. We were existing in a
time when you know, we were just doing, Hey, let's
do something really funky, you know, and you're emerging and unite,
you're coming through the milky way, You're just emerging. It's like, cool,
What do you want me to do? You want me

(01:03:45):
to sit up like Dracula? She said, not like Dracula,
because then you're you're dripping, but sit up like I'm here.
It's like cool, And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And it was like yeah, yah, yeah, it was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
And honestly said, you know, my god, you're you're breaking
into the white world. And I chuckled because I've said,
you know, I don't want to shock you. But I've
been here the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Time, preach, preaching the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I'm not breaking in. You know, maybe it's breaking up
around me, but I've always been here. And people said, yeah,
you're right. What am I thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I sign?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
They didn't know, they didn't know who they were talking to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
It's such an up. Do you have the photo?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, she has it on a book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Remember she has it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
This is my book is in my I'm in my
office and it's over there on this thing this holding up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
This is like a music stand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I remember that. It's different covers for her book, A
Lee Boys and so mine is one of the covers.
I bought the cover with be on it as you
get myself clearly obviously. I mean that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
You said you're down for most things, and I was
wondering if you wanted to play a game with us. Sure, well,
here's the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Great games, but I'm interested in them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
We have no idea what this game is just yet.
Our producer is gonna let us know. But we're going
to play a game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
But you get to win a prize, so don't worry
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yes, you get a prize. We'll bring it to you.
It's you're playing for a silk pajama set.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Okay. We know some of the world's best magicians have
pulled off mind blowing and science defying tricks over the
history of time, over the history, over the history of time,
and so we decided to find some of the greatest
magic tricks ever performed and mix them up and some
bullshit we just totally made up as well. But anyway,
we see if you can. We want to see if

(01:05:51):
you can tell us which tricks actually happened and which
are totally fake.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
So what we're going to do is we're going to
read you a magic trick, and then you're going to
decide if a magician really pulled it off or if
we took an edible and just wrote some bullshit down.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I like to micro doves, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Well, you know, if you get two of the five correct,
you get to win the Silk Pajama set, which here's
the deal, will be everyone who comes on our podcasts
to play a game and potentially win a gift. And Raven,
who I love so much, kind of likes to hoard things,
so this is from her hoard of gifts and things

(01:06:30):
that I want out of the house. And this is
kind of like, you know, donating to a good cause.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
So there's no possibility of winning the Lime Slice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
If you want the Lime Slide, you get whatever you want.
You want the Lime Slice, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Would like if I win, I would like the Limeside
because I don't wear pjs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
She wants lime pillows, not pj's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
You are getting the lime pillow, which means I can
buy Is that because you sleep naked?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
No, it just me I don't sleep in pajamas, hoodies
and weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Cozy, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
The liman is first of all, thank you, because if
I when we listen, when we when we're in the bed,
she's like, take off your day clothes. I'm like, why
they're so comfy? Let me just finish the stay in them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I just I don't. Sometimes I just get under
the covers and that's what it is. The only things
I take off is on my shoes. Sometimes I have
one sock. Sometimes, you know, I don't wear under garments.
So but I just I love whatever it is. Got it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Okay, let's play. Here we go. Japanese and French illusionist
Cyril Takayama had the world gasping when he performed the
illusion of removing his own head, a trick that has
since gone viral numerous times on YouTube. Real or did
we just make that up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Oh? Sure, it's real?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
She says it's real. Says it's real. Yeah, you're correct.
You're one away from a lime slice. Who good job,
Good job.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
It to you, okay. Las Vegas magician Melinda Sachs debuted
the Drill of Death, a large scale stage illusion in
which it appeared she was fully impaled on a giant drill.
Her legs, shoulders, arms, and head remained in full view
while the tip of the drill rotates and spun around

(01:08:28):
her limp body. Real or do we just make that
ship up?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Because you couldn't read it. I'm gonna say it probably happened.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
That's a good theory.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
It's real, Lime slic slice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You want, you want one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
More for fun?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
One more for fun?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Okay, it's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Superstar mentalist duo Shimmer did the unthinkable when they correctly
guess the names of over three hundred audience members parents,
even noting when people had deceased moms or dads by
pinning down the year they died. Real or did I
just pull that out my ass? Shimmer Shimmer, that's their name,

(01:09:22):
Shimmer Shimmer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I'm not sure about Shimo. I'm not sure about Shimmer.
They might be real, but they fake. It feels a
little I don't know, feels I don't know, but it's
probably real.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
So we're locking in real now she's locked in fake. Oh,
you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
We'll be so good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
You went both of the pillows, God damn it, so
you can definitely have Okay, this this has been magical,
has been truly magical.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Thank you for me. Well, it's nice to talk to y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Nice to talk to you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And I'm glad that you're in this seat this time,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Like we get to know you can I say one
thing that I didn't get a chance to say that
is such a core memory of mine, or like an
imprinted memory, is the Thanksgiving that we had at your house.
It was truly one of my most magical Thanksgivings ever.
You basted that turkey all night, a bro, it was

(01:10:27):
the best turkey I have ever had to this day.
Raven and I came into that house and we cooked
up every other side dish and you were just like,
I'm gonna do the turkey and then y'all do what
you want in my kitchen. And then at one point,
I don't know if you remember this will be you
looked at me and you said, hey, Miranda, I have
a question for you. And I said okay, and you said,
what does it feel like to be the token white person?

(01:10:48):
And I looked around and I was like, oh my god,
I'm the only white person. I hadn't even realized. And
it was just the most perfect Thanksgiving, the most magical day.
And I just needed to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
It was a great day and there are more great
days to be had a month. Yes, just I adore
the two of you, as you know, and I can't
wait till we break Brett again. And I just want
to say thanks to your audience for you know, sitting
with the old lady.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Hey, they're very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
The Best Podcast Ever is an iHeart podcast produced and
hosted by Raven Simone and Miranda.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugerman, Produced and edited
by Jordan Katz.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Who also does our music. Executive in charge of production
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Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
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