August 17, 2022 • 31 mins
In this episode of The Birdie Bunch Podast Kennedy and her parents discuss what parents can do do help their kids through the recruiting process. They talk about taking college visits, Junior Golf, and other important steps.
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the show. On this week's afterpisode, we have two special guests,
my parents, Laura and j Swan. Say Hi, guys, Hi, guys,
Hey everybody. So this week they're going to walk you
through a little bit of my recruiting process, kind of
how I got started with junior golf, um, and kind
of how we made the decision to really start focusing
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on trying to get me a college scholarship. So, um, mom,
why don't you go ahead and tell us a little
bit about yourself where you were born and raised? Um,
you know you dove in college. Tell us a little
bit about that, and then what you do now? Okay, So,
UM grew up in Florida, spent twenty years in Florida. UM.
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When I graduated high school, I got a scholarship, one
of the first female scholarships for UM, you know, college
athletes because of Title nine. So I got to go
to college on a athletic scholarship, UM, a die thing scholarship.
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Went to college and go for UM five years and
have always been an athlete, always enjoyed it. UM, and
my kids have always been involved in sports as well.
It's just a real important part to our life. Yeah.
And at the time n C double a junior college champion.
That's uh, that's pretty special. I guess it runs in
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the family. Yeah, I guess so. And uh, what's your
profession now? Okay, So I am UM an assistant associate
professor at the University of Texas at Austin teaching the
School of Social Work. And I'm also a licensed counselor
and I have a private practice m counseling and sword
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supporting people. Very nice And uh, Dad, what about you?
Where were you born and raised? Any sports in college?
And what do you do now? Well? I was born
in Bryan, Texas, which is where Texas A and M
is and grew up in Amarillo. I was a tennis
player from the time that I was probably twelve years
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old on. I played all the sports as a young kid, football, basketball, baseball,
but then settled into being a one sport athlete for tennis.
Played all through high school. Was not really good enough
to play in college. Um, I did my undergraduate of
Texas Tech and I actually walked onto the Tech soccer
team my senior year and uh and made the team
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as a as a third string bench warmer. And what
do you do now? I'm a police officer right at
the end of my career, getting ready to retire. Very exciting.
So the first question, Dad's going to be for you?
So kind of walk um our listeners through how you
got me started in golf, you know the way that
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I remember it. Mom got kind of tired of me
being around the house, seeing that I quit playing softball
and you got to go to the golf course and
always left me at home. So finally she got kind
of peeved off and told you to take take me
with you. And then I kind of fell in love
with it. Yeah, I would say we we both Mom
and I took a very active role in in raising you.
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And when I was a patrol officer, I would find
myself off work in the middle of the week, and
in the summers you were at of school, and so
we were always looking for something to do. Uh. And
so I would take you to the golf course with
me when I would go play with my friends from work. Uh.
You know, it started out was just liking to ride
in the cart and then putting on the green, and
then before long you started showing some interest in in
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hitting the golf ball and then learning how to play
the game. Yeah, MoMA, do you remember like any specific
conversation that you and dad had, you know, kind of
when I was really getting into it more and maybe
you wanted to, um, take it a little bit more seriously. UM.
I do remember when you were still playing softball and
you started, um kind of toying around with the golf thing.
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And you were at one of the golf courses with
Dad and you saw this flyer and you brought it
home and you brought it into the kitchen. You're probably
about ten or eleven, and you said, I want to
play in this tournament and I remember looking at Dad
and you played golf like five times, and I said,
I don't know that she's I mean, that may not
be good. And so anyway that you were persistent about
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doing that, and we let you play in the tournament.
I don't remember what place you got, but I do
remember you shot sixty nine on nine holes and that
was your first first tournament. And I remember seeing all
the other little girls out there that have been playing
for a long time and just thinking, oh my gosh,
what's this gonna how's this gonna end? Um? From that
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time on, you got a lot more serious about it,
and Dad and I had that conversation, um, once we
started traveling with it in about making the choice between
softball and golf, and you chose golf. Yeah. Well, and then, um, Dad,
you know you kind of connected me with Buck Myers,
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my first swing coach, you know, at Gray Rock. Um,
how did you kind of deem that it was time
to because I mean, obviously that's not cheap, you know,
getting professional lessons from a p G A pro whether
your golf, tennis, soccer, or whatever it is. You know,
you don't necessarily want to waste that money if it's
not something your kids really gonna put the effort into.
So kind of how did you make that decision? Well,
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I think there were a couple of factors involved in that.
One is that you were just very very competitive by nature, uh,
both on and off the field. And course, you know,
you just you have a lot of competitiveness that you
get probably from Mom and I both. I know I'm
extremely competitive. But once you started showing some promise. So
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you saw that flyer for that golf tournament and you asked,
can I go play in that? And I thought, she's
she's interested in competing, right, And that first tournament, you know,
you shot, you know in the sixties and the girl
that one, I think Randy Romack won that tournament and
she shot a thirty six on nine holes of gold,
and I thought, man, there's we got a long way
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to go because I didn't have any idea that there
was a ten year old girl that could shoot two
over par for nine holes. So, um, you know you
got interested in it, and I started working with you.
Is as best I could. I've played the game recreationally,
but I'm definitely not a good golfer. Never been lower
than never been lower than probably a seven or eight
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handicap at any point in my life. And so I
knew that if if you really wanted to progress, that
we needed to get you with someone that could could
help you, right. And one of the things that was
really important to me, uh, is that you've got all
the opportunity you wanted to get as good as you
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could get, right, And that was just something that's a
value of mine. I mean, I think there were several
things in my life that I might have been more
successful with if i'd have had a little bit more
opportunity and support. And so I just kind of I
think Mom and I have decided it was you know,
we were going to just kind of put put the
time and the money into seeing, you know, seeing how
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far you wanted to go with it. Yeah. Well, uh,
and I think that that investment definitely paid off, see,
and that I got my school paid for so good.
Good call by you guys. UM. Now let's kind of
touch real quickly and we'll kind of continue in the
next segment. But junior golf, you know, I kind of
started with US Kids and then UM started kind of
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working into the US Kids World tournaments and Pinehurst. I know,
that's definitely one of our favorite tournaments as a family
every year. UM to be a part of Mom, what
do you kind of remember of that first US Kids
Worlds where it was like I finally made it. I
was I think I was eleven years old, maybe was
the first one that I went to. Um, How how
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fun was that? Yeah? That was crazy? You um got
in on an alternate spot and UM not about that. Yeah,
you weren't really even invited. I don't know if Orlando
UM remember him yeah and casting on Yeah, if he
pulled some strings or if you just the alternate spot
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opened up. But um, in terms of the fun thing,
you can't even describe how great US Kids Golf is
and how much fun that tournament is. Yeah, you know,
I think, yeah, that was definitely kind of the start, UM,
especially when when I turned thirteen and fourteen those years
when we went, you know, I think that was kind
of the start of us realizing you know, maybe I
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can do this, um, you know good and be good
enough to to play in college. So UM. In the
next segment, we're going to discuss the transition from kids
golf kind of a high school golf and how it
UM impacted my decision to play in college. You guys
are listening to the Bertie Bunch. I'm Kennedy Swan and
this is the College Athletes Network. Welcome back to the
(10:37):
Bertie Bunch on the College Athletes Network. This is Kennedy
Swan and I'm here with my parents, Jay and Laura Swan.
Make sure to subscribe to my podcast so you don't
miss the show. In the last segment, we talked a
little bit about junior golf, kind of starting with US
Kids Golf, UM and kind of your local tournaments, and
then now we're kind of moving more towards a world scale, uh,
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either US or world scale, UM, and so US Kids worlds.
When I was thirteen and fourteen, I was, um lucky
enough to go from finishing next to dead last two,
you know, about seventy out of eighty, and then I
finished you know, like forty out a sixty maybe, and
then I finished tied for fifth when I was thirteen,
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and then I finished uh actually one when I was fourteen.
So mom, if I remember correctly, that was kind of
the start of UM when we kind of started looking
at the option of me being able to play college golf,
right right, Yeah, I mean Dad found both saw that. UM,
I think for me, one of the things that I
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saw was so much talent. I just felt like you
were kind of a natural appoint no matter what you did.
And the second thing was that you just had so
much drive. And that was the thing that UM, you
know it is it takes a lot of drive to
do sports at that level, and so I think there's
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a lot of people that may have talent, but they
don't have the drive to be able to drive and
the discipline to be as good as you have gotten.
So when I saw that, just you know, our dad
and I both wanted to support that, and you know, UM,
support you, push you whatever we needed to do to
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um go as far as you wanted. Yeah. Well, and
I think it's definitely did a great job of that, UM. Dad.
After I had won at a fourteen, we had college
coaches kind of starting to reach out to us, and
we had absolutely no idea what we were doing. UM.
You know, I think there's a lot of families out
there that are kind of in that same situation. You know,
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they've got kids, the recruiting processes starting so young. Now, UM,
what would you know, what first steps did you take
to try to make progress? Towards getting me a college scholarship. Well,
it definitely have a very clear recollection of you know,
other parents of older kids saying, hey Man, college golf
scholarships are very underutilized, and if you've got a girl
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that plays golf, there's a good chance that she could
get her college paid for somewhere. And so my, honestly,
my very first thoughts, Kennedy, were maybe she could use
golf to get into a really good school. Right. And
so I don't know if you remember, but we sent
you to Duke golf camp when you were probably probably twelve,
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and my thought was maybe to expose you to uh
an academic institution that you might you know, you're also
very very good student from an early age, and I thought,
you know, she's gonna have the potential to do well
uh in college. And I thought, maybe, you know, college
golf might be a way to either get you into
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a school like you know, Duke or Columbia or Harvard
or you know, wherever you wanted to go, UM and
golf could could get you in and help pay for it.
So I started asking questions of other parents about, you know,
just trying to get some information UM and fortunately, uh.
You know, we got involved with Texas the Texas Junior
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Golf Tour pretty early in your career as well, and
that their focus is to get every player that wants
a college scholarship a college scholarship, and they end up
getting scholarships for probably I think eighty or eighty five
of the people that that you know end up playing
all the way through the tour and finishing it out.
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So uh that that's kind of the first initial thoughts
that I had with with college was actually more using
golf to get you in uh to to a strong
academic institution rather than uh and ended up being his
competition for national level. Yeah, for sure. UM. You know,
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and I think lot of a lot of players and
parents underutilize their state UM golf associations, you know, whether
that's the Texas Junior Golf Tour or the Texas Golf
Association UM or even like the PGA of America. You know,
they've got a chapter in every state and they're there
for your utilization. You know. I think a lot of
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times they think of these organizations is just people that
people or organizations that host tournaments were. In reality, they
really are there to help you. Um. Advanced to the
next level. And I remember playing T j G T
s growing up, and once I kind of made it
to the A j g A level, you know, no
one was mad or upset that I was leaving the
Texas Junior Golf Tour. They were all excited for me
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that I was going to be able to play on
the American Junior Golf Tour, you know, and everyone really
wanted the best for me, for me to be able
to step up to the next level. UM. And so Mom,
kind of once I started getting into like these A
j G A events, you know, I was kind of
fifteen sixteen when I really started being able to compete
in ease. You know, I think that really allowed me
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to put my name out there a little bit more. Um.
What conversation did we have when we're kind of thinking
about starting to look at colleges. I remember talking to
a number of parents, you know, as we would walk
the golf course and watch tournaments and just ask a
lot of questions that those parents were two years ahead
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of you, and so you know, some of the advice
I got, you know, was start putting her resume together,
start putting together what she's done, um, start looking at
colleges that you want to go to, and you can
get a swing video, you can put together whatever you
want and start sending it to colleges. So I remember,
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you know, you and Dad working on that resume quite
a bit and putting that together, and then UM putting
together a little video, and then you and you and
I and I don't know if Dad was there or not,
but we all sat down, UM and started making a
list of the colleges that you were interested in. Yeah,
you know, and I think you guys definitely had some
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influence in that, and you know, what colleges were kind
of good to look at weren't what colleges maybe weren't
as good. UM. But I do remember putting together that resume,
and I kind of remember thinking, I'm so young, you know,
is this really the time to start all of this.
I'm fIF you know, fourteen. I'd say we started it
probably when I was fourteen, maybe just about to turn fifteen.
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I was like, I don't even have my driver's license,
and I'm looking at what colleges I want to go to. UM.
But it's definitely something that kind of makes you grow
up a little bit quicker. UM. But I think a
j g A helps a lot with UM, the recruiting
process and kind of helps walk you through, you know,
what you can and can't do as a potential college athlete. UM.
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And so Dad, we kind of sat down as a
family and, like mom was saying, made a list of
different schools that I might be interested in. And then
what conversation did you guys have before we went on
the cross country road trip to go look at schools. Well,
kind of to back up just a tiny dip from that. Uh,
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you know, the n C double A recruiting rules at
that time would not allow coaches to contact players before
a certain age or a certain point in your high
school career. But you know, somebody gave us some wise
advice and said, you can actually proactively reach out to
the coaches. Uh, they can't respond to your emails, but
if you catch them on the phone, you can talk
to them. And so we took and sat down and
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put that resume and uh kind of that brochure about
you together and sat down and started talking about the
colleges that might be good. I think you had kind
of fallen in love with with kind of the the
East when you had gone to do golf camp, because
you didn't really have any interest in staying in Texas
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or Oklahoma or anywhere around here. You were really kind
of interested in looking at that part of the country.
So we sat down and just already making a list
of schools that that we're really good schools, and so
we put you know, Vanderbilt, Clemson, and Alabama and UM Auburn.
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We looked at you know, and put put that list
together and started contacting those coaches UM. And you know,
once once we you know, we're able to get some
get them on the phone and kind of talk to him.
You can kind of gauge what somebody's interest is. And
it's also about that time that the coaches start showing
up at these big national golf events like the US
Girls Junior or the Peach Junior Championship. Uh. And I
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don't know if you want to save that for a
later segment, but you know, yeah, so we we'll talk
about that in a little bit. But you know, that's
that's kind of how I remember sitting down and kind
of coming up with that list of schools that we
thought might be a good fit for you, both academically
and athletically. Yeah, I completely agree. UM. In the next segment,
we're going to have some fun stories for you that
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include a road trip to a bunch of universities across
the US and that kind of what happens after you
commit to a school, you know, that sense of relief, UM,
and kind of the process of getting ready to transition
from high school to college. So again you're listening to
the Bertie Bunch. I'm Kennedy Swan and this is the
College Athletes Network. Yeah, welcome back to the Bertie Bunch
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in the College Athletes Network. This is Kennedy Swan here
with my parents, Laura and j Swan. Make sure to
subscribe to my podcasts you don't miss a show. You
can also find me on Instagram and can you dig
it or at my website at www dot Kennedy Swan
dot com. In the last segment, we talked about the
recruiting process, kind of how we got started and how
we kind of um sat down and made a list
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of what universities I might be interested in. UM. I
distinctly remember in my mind, I had this little notebook
and we sat down and made a chart and listing
all the different factors that was important to all of us,
you know, as a family. Uh, for what you know,
what university would be the best fit for me? So
this question is for both of you guys. What factors
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do you remember coming off of that list? I remember, UM,
obviously really strong golf program. You wanted something in the
you know, mid to southeast. UM had you had on
there in your little chart beauty factor. Yeah, that was
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a pretty campus, pretty campus. There was something else that
was kind of funny. Do you remember, Jay, what that was?
I remember I remember having food on there. That food
was a big for me. Yep, that I wanted to
have good food. I remember strong academics. UM. I remembered
location in terms of I didn't want to be anywhere,
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you know, I love to be outdoors. I'd love to
be outdoors since I was a little kid, and I
didn't want to be somewhere no offense, but like Oklahoma,
Texas Tech or somewhere that UM was kind of in
the middle of flat land, UM and harder to be outdoors, Yes, exactly, UM.
But so we were fortunate enough we had UM an
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RV growing up that we would drive everywhere, you know,
to all the all the junior tournaments and even all
the collegiate events that I went through. And so we
packed up the r V and went on a three
week long road trip and just toward all of these universities.
I remember we went to University of Tennessee, Chattanooga, we
went to Vanderbilt, we went to Auburn, and we went
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to Clemson. And we ranked all of these universities in
order from what we loved the most to what we
did not love the most. And I just remember all
of us falling in love with Clemson. We fell in
love with J. T. Horton, you know, who is the
coach at the time, UM. And obviously I ended up
committing there when I was UM sixteen, one of the
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best decisions I ever made. You know, obviously the coaching
situation didn't work out, But after I committed, you know
what was that kind of um feel of relief for
you guys? I think I just got I'll speak to
it just a little bit. Okay, go ahead, month now,
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go ahead, good dad. Yeah. I just you know, I
just remember being really relieved at the stress because it's
so stressful, right, I mean, you've got so many things
that you're thinking about, is my kid gonna be happy
with the coach, is my kid gonna be happy with
the school? You know, how's it going to work out
financially because you know, you don't always get scholarship and
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how much was the school going to offer? You have
all of these things and then just to know that
that's kind of taken care of once that commitment has
made so you can just lasting back playing golf again. Yeah,
and you know, I think that kind of like you
hinted out a little bit earlier at the the PGA
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Girls Junior Um are they sorry? The U s j
A Girls Junior Um when I had j T come
out and watch and it was nice because I played really,
really badly, but he was the only coach left watching me,
and it just felt me, you know, it made me
feel so um taken care of and like I was
in good hands to have my college coach you know,
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care about me and my attitude more than you know
how was playing. And I think that was a big
relief off my shoulders as well. Um, so mom, kind
of how did you help me transition from high school
to college? You know that's a big jump, you know,
and obviously I graduated a semester early. Um, I graduated
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high school in December and started in the spring. Um.
That was kind of a perk of Clemson was that
they were gonna um up my scholarship if I came
in a semester early, Um, how did you kind of
help get me ready to go into the college world? Um,
you know that was so that offer or how that
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happened came so quickly and so fast. I don't know
that we had a lot of time. You know, we
definitely talked about it and thought about it a little bit.
I don't know that I would change anything about how
all of that worked out. But if I had to
do that again, the going as semester early, I don't
know if we would do that again. I just that's
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a that's a hard transition. It's a hard transition period
of college and UM, it definitely, you know, I think
the younger a person is the heart of that transition
is so UM, I don't know, I mean, you know,
you just I don't know that there was really anything
to transition. I mean, you did. Your graves were great,
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You're you know, you were academically completely ready for college. Um, golf,
you were completely ready for college. There just wasn't a
lot to you know, um transition, it was just being
away from home and being on your own. Yeah, I agree,
And that's definitely hard for for anyone. You know, that's
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not necessarily something that's uh, that's just hard for me. Um, dad,
Is there anything you would change throughout the recruiting process,
you know, any um little tidbits or pieces of advice, caution,
cary tales for potential parents out there. I would just
my best piece of advice that I could give parents
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is find somebody that has already been through the process. Right.
I remember, there's a goal that you play on tour with.
Now there's a little bit in front of you. And
her dad was very generous with advice, uh, and I
used what he told me several times in the way
that we thought about things. So I can't advise parents
find somebody that's done it before, is a little bit
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further up the road from the parents perspective, not from
the coach's perspective. Uh. And then to be patient, right,
I think that would be the one thing because there's
so much anxiety around that decision. Right, it's a big
decision both financially and where you end up going to
school and what the coaching staff is like, just be
patient until you find the right fit. Yes, mom. For
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those not able to see the zoom call that we're on,
my mother was politely raising her hand. I wanted to
add in terms of advice, is, UM, don't make it
all about golf. Colleges are interested in other things, and
you know, include what your child has done in terms
of you know, volunteer work and helping others, and um,
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what their interests are outside of golf, UM, what their
attitudes like, how they show up on the course, those
type of things colleges are really interested in. So UM,
definitely include more than just a golf resume and golf information. Yeah,
and if I had to give one piece of advice,
I would say, make sure that you find a college
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and a college program that really cares about you as
a person and not just you as a golfer. I
think nowadays there's so many coaches that see girls just
as a score or just as a player, even if
it's not golf, you know, soccer, softball, football, baseball, whatever
it is. I think there's a lot of coaches that
are just focused on the player, and I think that
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can inhibit both how good you get as a player
and just as a person. You know, when I transferred
to well Miss, I had coach coaches that really believed
in me as a person and developed me as a
person rather just as a player. And because of that,
I think they really developed me as a player as well. UM.
And so I would say, just you know, make sure
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that you're aware of, um, how how your coach sees
you when you're looking at universities, UM, and how how
they're going to kind of help you to be the
best you that you can be, not just the best
athlete that you can be. So all right, I support that.
That's a really that's really good advice. Yeah, all right,
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Well we are about out of time. I will ask um,
any funny stories that you can remember from junior golf
if there's one that we've got time for one, if
there's one that pops into your head. The one that
pops into my head is being at the um US
Kids World Championships and when you won that year and
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you received your trophy. Do you want gosh, yeah, I
forgot about that. You don't have to if you don't want, Oh,
it's fine, I will that's just yeah, that's um. That
was a long time ago. Yeah, so I was at
the ceremony um they called me up to go get
my trophy, and I got it and I went back
to my seat and I put it under my seat,
and I didn't realize that they were going to call
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me back up because I had made the World Cup team.
And when they called me back up, me not realizing
that my trophy was still under my seat and that
it's a glass trophy, kicks it over and the whole
thing shatters and the entire crowd just goes and I'm
like walking up to the stage trying not to cry
and in front of like all these different important people
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that have lots of money that are funding like this
whole tournament, and I just broke their trophy that they
gave me. And luckily they gave me another trophy for
being a member of the World Cup team, and that
one was tighter steel or titanium, so I wasn't able
to break that one. But uh, yeah, that was a
pretty funny story. Um well, all right, guys, mom, dad,
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thanks for being on this episode. As always, thanks for
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the show. On this week's afterpisode, we have two special guests,
my parents, Laura and j Swan. Say Hi, guys, Hi, guys,
Hey everybody. So this week they're going to walk you
through a little bit of my recruiting process, kind of
how I got started with junior golf, um, and kind
of how we made the decision to really start focusing
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on trying to get me a college scholarship. So, um, mom,
why don't you go ahead and tell us a little
bit about yourself where you were born and raised? Um,
you know you dove in college. Tell us a little
bit about that, and then what you do now? Okay, So,
UM grew up in Florida, spent twenty years in Florida. UM.
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When I graduated high school, I got a scholarship, one
of the first female scholarships for UM, you know, college
athletes because of Title nine. So I got to go
to college on a athletic scholarship, UM, a die thing scholarship.
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Went to college and go for UM five years and
have always been an athlete, always enjoyed it. UM, and
my kids have always been involved in sports as well.
It's just a real important part to our life. Yeah.
And at the time n C double a junior college champion.
That's uh, that's pretty special. I guess it runs in
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the family. Yeah, I guess so. And uh, what's your
profession now? Okay, So I am UM an assistant associate
professor at the University of Texas at Austin teaching the
School of Social Work. And I'm also a licensed counselor
and I have a private practice m counseling and sword
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supporting people. Very nice And uh, Dad, what about you?
Where were you born and raised? Any sports in college?
And what do you do now? Well? I was born
in Bryan, Texas, which is where Texas A and M
is and grew up in Amarillo. I was a tennis
player from the time that I was probably twelve years
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old on. I played all the sports as a young kid, football, basketball, baseball,
but then settled into being a one sport athlete for tennis.
Played all through high school. Was not really good enough
to play in college. Um, I did my undergraduate of
Texas Tech and I actually walked onto the Tech soccer
team my senior year and uh and made the team
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as a as a third string bench warmer. And what
do you do now? I'm a police officer right at
the end of my career, getting ready to retire. Very exciting.
So the first question, Dad's going to be for you?
So kind of walk um our listeners through how you
got me started in golf, you know the way that
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I remember it. Mom got kind of tired of me
being around the house, seeing that I quit playing softball
and you got to go to the golf course and
always left me at home. So finally she got kind
of peeved off and told you to take take me
with you. And then I kind of fell in love
with it. Yeah, I would say we we both Mom
and I took a very active role in in raising you.
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And when I was a patrol officer, I would find
myself off work in the middle of the week, and
in the summers you were at of school, and so
we were always looking for something to do. Uh. And
so I would take you to the golf course with
me when I would go play with my friends from work. Uh.
You know, it started out was just liking to ride
in the cart and then putting on the green, and
then before long you started showing some interest in in
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hitting the golf ball and then learning how to play
the game. Yeah, MoMA, do you remember like any specific
conversation that you and dad had, you know, kind of
when I was really getting into it more and maybe
you wanted to, um, take it a little bit more seriously. UM.
I do remember when you were still playing softball and
you started, um kind of toying around with the golf thing.
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And you were at one of the golf courses with
Dad and you saw this flyer and you brought it
home and you brought it into the kitchen. You're probably
about ten or eleven, and you said, I want to
play in this tournament and I remember looking at Dad
and you played golf like five times, and I said,
I don't know that she's I mean, that may not
be good. And so anyway that you were persistent about
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doing that, and we let you play in the tournament.
I don't remember what place you got, but I do
remember you shot sixty nine on nine holes and that
was your first first tournament. And I remember seeing all
the other little girls out there that have been playing
for a long time and just thinking, oh my gosh,
what's this gonna how's this gonna end? Um? From that
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time on, you got a lot more serious about it,
and Dad and I had that conversation, um, once we
started traveling with it in about making the choice between
softball and golf, and you chose golf. Yeah. Well, and then, um, Dad,
you know you kind of connected me with Buck Myers,
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my first swing coach, you know, at Gray Rock. Um,
how did you kind of deem that it was time
to because I mean, obviously that's not cheap, you know,
getting professional lessons from a p G A pro whether
your golf, tennis, soccer, or whatever it is. You know,
you don't necessarily want to waste that money if it's
not something your kids really gonna put the effort into.
So kind of how did you make that decision? Well,
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I think there were a couple of factors involved in that.
One is that you were just very very competitive by nature, uh,
both on and off the field. And course, you know,
you just you have a lot of competitiveness that you
get probably from Mom and I both. I know I'm
extremely competitive. But once you started showing some promise. So
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you saw that flyer for that golf tournament and you asked,
can I go play in that? And I thought, she's
she's interested in competing, right, And that first tournament, you know,
you shot, you know in the sixties and the girl
that one, I think Randy Romack won that tournament and
she shot a thirty six on nine holes of gold,
and I thought, man, there's we got a long way
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to go because I didn't have any idea that there
was a ten year old girl that could shoot two
over par for nine holes. So, um, you know you
got interested in it, and I started working with you.
Is as best I could. I've played the game recreationally,
but I'm definitely not a good golfer. Never been lower
than never been lower than probably a seven or eight
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handicap at any point in my life. And so I
knew that if if you really wanted to progress, that
we needed to get you with someone that could could
help you, right. And one of the things that was
really important to me, uh, is that you've got all
the opportunity you wanted to get as good as you
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could get, right, And that was just something that's a
value of mine. I mean, I think there were several
things in my life that I might have been more
successful with if i'd have had a little bit more
opportunity and support. And so I just kind of I
think Mom and I have decided it was you know,
we were going to just kind of put put the
time and the money into seeing, you know, seeing how
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far you wanted to go with it. Yeah. Well, uh,
and I think that that investment definitely paid off, see,
and that I got my school paid for so good.
Good call by you guys. UM. Now let's kind of
touch real quickly and we'll kind of continue in the
next segment. But junior golf, you know, I kind of
started with US Kids and then UM started kind of
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working into the US Kids World tournaments and Pinehurst. I know,
that's definitely one of our favorite tournaments as a family
every year. UM to be a part of Mom, what
do you kind of remember of that first US Kids
Worlds where it was like I finally made it. I
was I think I was eleven years old, maybe was
the first one that I went to. Um, How how
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fun was that? Yeah? That was crazy? You um got
in on an alternate spot and UM not about that. Yeah,
you weren't really even invited. I don't know if Orlando
UM remember him yeah and casting on Yeah, if he
pulled some strings or if you just the alternate spot
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opened up. But um, in terms of the fun thing,
you can't even describe how great US Kids Golf is
and how much fun that tournament is. Yeah, you know,
I think, yeah, that was definitely kind of the start, UM,
especially when when I turned thirteen and fourteen those years
when we went, you know, I think that was kind
of the start of us realizing you know, maybe I
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can do this, um, you know good and be good
enough to to play in college. So UM. In the
next segment, we're going to discuss the transition from kids
golf kind of a high school golf and how it
UM impacted my decision to play in college. You guys
are listening to the Bertie Bunch. I'm Kennedy Swan and
this is the College Athletes Network. Welcome back to the
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Bertie Bunch on the College Athletes Network. This is Kennedy
Swan and I'm here with my parents, Jay and Laura Swan.
Make sure to subscribe to my podcast so you don't
miss the show. In the last segment, we talked a
little bit about junior golf, kind of starting with US
Kids Golf, UM and kind of your local tournaments, and
then now we're kind of moving more towards a world scale, uh,
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either US or world scale, UM, and so US Kids worlds.
When I was thirteen and fourteen, I was, um lucky
enough to go from finishing next to dead last two,
you know, about seventy out of eighty, and then I
finished you know, like forty out a sixty maybe, and
then I finished tied for fifth when I was thirteen,
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and then I finished uh actually one when I was fourteen.
So mom, if I remember correctly, that was kind of
the start of UM when we kind of started looking
at the option of me being able to play college golf,
right right, Yeah, I mean Dad found both saw that. UM,
I think for me, one of the things that I
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saw was so much talent. I just felt like you
were kind of a natural appoint no matter what you did.
And the second thing was that you just had so
much drive. And that was the thing that UM, you
know it is it takes a lot of drive to
do sports at that level, and so I think there's
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a lot of people that may have talent, but they
don't have the drive to be able to drive and
the discipline to be as good as you have gotten.
So when I saw that, just you know, our dad
and I both wanted to support that, and you know, UM,
support you, push you whatever we needed to do to
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um go as far as you wanted. Yeah. Well, and
I think it's definitely did a great job of that, UM. Dad.
After I had won at a fourteen, we had college
coaches kind of starting to reach out to us, and
we had absolutely no idea what we were doing. UM.
You know, I think there's a lot of families out
there that are kind of in that same situation. You know,
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they've got kids, the recruiting processes starting so young. Now, UM,
what would you know, what first steps did you take
to try to make progress? Towards getting me a college scholarship. Well,
it definitely have a very clear recollection of you know,
other parents of older kids saying, hey Man, college golf
scholarships are very underutilized, and if you've got a girl
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that plays golf, there's a good chance that she could
get her college paid for somewhere. And so my, honestly,
my very first thoughts, Kennedy, were maybe she could use
golf to get into a really good school. Right. And
so I don't know if you remember, but we sent
you to Duke golf camp when you were probably probably twelve,
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and my thought was maybe to expose you to uh
an academic institution that you might you know, you're also
very very good student from an early age, and I thought,
you know, she's gonna have the potential to do well
uh in college. And I thought, maybe, you know, college
golf might be a way to either get you into
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a school like you know, Duke or Columbia or Harvard
or you know, wherever you wanted to go, UM and
golf could could get you in and help pay for it.
So I started asking questions of other parents about, you know,
just trying to get some information UM and fortunately, uh.
You know, we got involved with Texas the Texas Junior
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Golf Tour pretty early in your career as well, and
that their focus is to get every player that wants
a college scholarship a college scholarship, and they end up
getting scholarships for probably I think eighty or eighty five
of the people that that you know end up playing
all the way through the tour and finishing it out.
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So uh that that's kind of the first initial thoughts
that I had with with college was actually more using
golf to get you in uh to to a strong
academic institution rather than uh and ended up being his
competition for national level. Yeah, for sure. UM. You know,
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and I think lot of a lot of players and
parents underutilize their state UM golf associations, you know, whether
that's the Texas Junior Golf Tour or the Texas Golf
Association UM or even like the PGA of America. You know,
they've got a chapter in every state and they're there
for your utilization. You know. I think a lot of
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times they think of these organizations is just people that
people or organizations that host tournaments were. In reality, they
really are there to help you. Um. Advanced to the
next level. And I remember playing T j G T
s growing up, and once I kind of made it
to the A j g A level, you know, no
one was mad or upset that I was leaving the
Texas Junior Golf Tour. They were all excited for me
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that I was going to be able to play on
the American Junior Golf Tour, you know, and everyone really
wanted the best for me, for me to be able
to step up to the next level. UM. And so Mom,
kind of once I started getting into like these A
j G A events, you know, I was kind of
fifteen sixteen when I really started being able to compete
in ease. You know, I think that really allowed me
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to put my name out there a little bit more. Um.
What conversation did we have when we're kind of thinking
about starting to look at colleges. I remember talking to
a number of parents, you know, as we would walk
the golf course and watch tournaments and just ask a
lot of questions that those parents were two years ahead
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of you, and so you know, some of the advice
I got, you know, was start putting her resume together,
start putting together what she's done, um, start looking at
colleges that you want to go to, and you can
get a swing video, you can put together whatever you
want and start sending it to colleges. So I remember,
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you know, you and Dad working on that resume quite
a bit and putting that together, and then UM putting
together a little video, and then you and you and
I and I don't know if Dad was there or not,
but we all sat down, UM and started making a
list of the colleges that you were interested in. Yeah,
you know, and I think you guys definitely had some
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influence in that, and you know, what colleges were kind
of good to look at weren't what colleges maybe weren't
as good. UM. But I do remember putting together that resume,
and I kind of remember thinking, I'm so young, you know,
is this really the time to start all of this.
I'm fIF you know, fourteen. I'd say we started it
probably when I was fourteen, maybe just about to turn fifteen.
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I was like, I don't even have my driver's license,
and I'm looking at what colleges I want to go to. UM.
But it's definitely something that kind of makes you grow
up a little bit quicker. UM. But I think a
j g A helps a lot with UM, the recruiting
process and kind of helps walk you through, you know,
what you can and can't do as a potential college athlete. UM.
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And so Dad, we kind of sat down as a
family and, like mom was saying, made a list of
different schools that I might be interested in. And then
what conversation did you guys have before we went on
the cross country road trip to go look at schools. Well,
kind of to back up just a tiny dip from that. Uh,
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you know, the n C double A recruiting rules at
that time would not allow coaches to contact players before
a certain age or a certain point in your high
school career. But you know, somebody gave us some wise
advice and said, you can actually proactively reach out to
the coaches. Uh, they can't respond to your emails, but
if you catch them on the phone, you can talk
to them. And so we took and sat down and
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put that resume and uh kind of that brochure about
you together and sat down and started talking about the
colleges that might be good. I think you had kind
of fallen in love with with kind of the the
East when you had gone to do golf camp, because
you didn't really have any interest in staying in Texas
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or Oklahoma or anywhere around here. You were really kind
of interested in looking at that part of the country.
So we sat down and just already making a list
of schools that that we're really good schools, and so
we put you know, Vanderbilt, Clemson, and Alabama and UM Auburn.
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We looked at you know, and put put that list
together and started contacting those coaches UM. And you know,
once once we you know, we're able to get some
get them on the phone and kind of talk to him.
You can kind of gauge what somebody's interest is. And
it's also about that time that the coaches start showing
up at these big national golf events like the US
Girls Junior or the Peach Junior Championship. Uh. And I
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don't know if you want to save that for a
later segment, but you know, yeah, so we we'll talk
about that in a little bit. But you know, that's
that's kind of how I remember sitting down and kind
of coming up with that list of schools that we
thought might be a good fit for you, both academically
and athletically. Yeah, I completely agree. UM. In the next segment,
we're going to have some fun stories for you that
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include a road trip to a bunch of universities across
the US and that kind of what happens after you
commit to a school, you know, that sense of relief, UM,
and kind of the process of getting ready to transition
from high school to college. So again you're listening to
the Bertie Bunch. I'm Kennedy Swan and this is the
College Athletes Network. Yeah, welcome back to the Bertie Bunch
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in the College Athletes Network. This is Kennedy Swan here
with my parents, Laura and j Swan. Make sure to
subscribe to my podcasts you don't miss a show. You
can also find me on Instagram and can you dig
it or at my website at www dot Kennedy Swan
dot com. In the last segment, we talked about the
recruiting process, kind of how we got started and how
we kind of um sat down and made a list
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of what universities I might be interested in. UM. I
distinctly remember in my mind, I had this little notebook
and we sat down and made a chart and listing
all the different factors that was important to all of us,
you know, as a family. Uh, for what you know,
what university would be the best fit for me? So
this question is for both of you guys. What factors
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do you remember coming off of that list? I remember, UM,
obviously really strong golf program. You wanted something in the
you know, mid to southeast. UM had you had on
there in your little chart beauty factor. Yeah, that was
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a pretty campus, pretty campus. There was something else that
was kind of funny. Do you remember, Jay, what that was?
I remember I remember having food on there. That food
was a big for me. Yep, that I wanted to
have good food. I remember strong academics. UM. I remembered
location in terms of I didn't want to be anywhere,
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you know, I love to be outdoors. I'd love to
be outdoors since I was a little kid, and I
didn't want to be somewhere no offense, but like Oklahoma,
Texas Tech or somewhere that UM was kind of in
the middle of flat land, UM and harder to be outdoors, Yes, exactly, UM.
But so we were fortunate enough we had UM an
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RV growing up that we would drive everywhere, you know,
to all the all the junior tournaments and even all
the collegiate events that I went through. And so we
packed up the r V and went on a three
week long road trip and just toward all of these universities.
I remember we went to University of Tennessee, Chattanooga, we
went to Vanderbilt, we went to Auburn, and we went
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to Clemson. And we ranked all of these universities in
order from what we loved the most to what we
did not love the most. And I just remember all
of us falling in love with Clemson. We fell in
love with J. T. Horton, you know, who is the
coach at the time, UM. And obviously I ended up
committing there when I was UM sixteen, one of the
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best decisions I ever made. You know, obviously the coaching
situation didn't work out, But after I committed, you know
what was that kind of um feel of relief for
you guys? I think I just got I'll speak to
it just a little bit. Okay, go ahead, month now,
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go ahead, good dad. Yeah. I just you know, I
just remember being really relieved at the stress because it's
so stressful, right, I mean, you've got so many things
that you're thinking about, is my kid gonna be happy
with the coach, is my kid gonna be happy with
the school? You know, how's it going to work out
financially because you know, you don't always get scholarship and
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how much was the school going to offer? You have
all of these things and then just to know that
that's kind of taken care of once that commitment has
made so you can just lasting back playing golf again. Yeah,
and you know, I think that kind of like you
hinted out a little bit earlier at the the PGA
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Girls Junior Um are they sorry? The U s j
A Girls Junior Um when I had j T come
out and watch and it was nice because I played really,
really badly, but he was the only coach left watching me,
and it just felt me, you know, it made me
feel so um taken care of and like I was
in good hands to have my college coach you know,
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care about me and my attitude more than you know
how was playing. And I think that was a big
relief off my shoulders as well. Um, so mom, kind
of how did you help me transition from high school
to college? You know that's a big jump, you know,
and obviously I graduated a semester early. Um, I graduated
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high school in December and started in the spring. Um.
That was kind of a perk of Clemson was that
they were gonna um up my scholarship if I came
in a semester early, Um, how did you kind of
help get me ready to go into the college world? Um,
you know that was so that offer or how that
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happened came so quickly and so fast. I don't know
that we had a lot of time. You know, we
definitely talked about it and thought about it a little bit.
I don't know that I would change anything about how
all of that worked out. But if I had to
do that again, the going as semester early, I don't
know if we would do that again. I just that's
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a that's a hard transition. It's a hard transition period
of college and UM, it definitely, you know, I think
the younger a person is the heart of that transition
is so UM, I don't know, I mean, you know,
you just I don't know that there was really anything
to transition. I mean, you did. Your graves were great,
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You're you know, you were academically completely ready for college. Um, golf,
you were completely ready for college. There just wasn't a
lot to you know, um transition, it was just being
away from home and being on your own. Yeah, I agree,
And that's definitely hard for for anyone. You know, that's
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not necessarily something that's uh, that's just hard for me. Um, dad,
Is there anything you would change throughout the recruiting process,
you know, any um little tidbits or pieces of advice, caution,
cary tales for potential parents out there. I would just
my best piece of advice that I could give parents
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is find somebody that has already been through the process. Right.
I remember, there's a goal that you play on tour with.
Now there's a little bit in front of you. And
her dad was very generous with advice, uh, and I
used what he told me several times in the way
that we thought about things. So I can't advise parents
find somebody that's done it before, is a little bit
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further up the road from the parents perspective, not from
the coach's perspective. Uh. And then to be patient, right,
I think that would be the one thing because there's
so much anxiety around that decision. Right, it's a big
decision both financially and where you end up going to
school and what the coaching staff is like, just be
patient until you find the right fit. Yes, mom. For
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those not able to see the zoom call that we're on,
my mother was politely raising her hand. I wanted to
add in terms of advice, is, UM, don't make it
all about golf. Colleges are interested in other things, and
you know, include what your child has done in terms
of you know, volunteer work and helping others, and um,
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what their interests are outside of golf, UM, what their
attitudes like, how they show up on the course, those
type of things colleges are really interested in. So UM,
definitely include more than just a golf resume and golf information. Yeah,
and if I had to give one piece of advice,
I would say, make sure that you find a college
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and a college program that really cares about you as
a person and not just you as a golfer. I
think nowadays there's so many coaches that see girls just
as a score or just as a player, even if
it's not golf, you know, soccer, softball, football, baseball, whatever
it is. I think there's a lot of coaches that
are just focused on the player, and I think that
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can inhibit both how good you get as a player
and just as a person. You know, when I transferred
to well Miss, I had coach coaches that really believed
in me as a person and developed me as a
person rather just as a player. And because of that,
I think they really developed me as a player as well. UM.
And so I would say, just you know, make sure
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that you're aware of, um, how how your coach sees
you when you're looking at universities, UM, and how how
they're going to kind of help you to be the
best you that you can be, not just the best
athlete that you can be. So all right, I support that.
That's a really that's really good advice. Yeah, all right,
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Well we are about out of time. I will ask um,
any funny stories that you can remember from junior golf
if there's one that we've got time for one, if
there's one that pops into your head. The one that
pops into my head is being at the um US
Kids World Championships and when you won that year and
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you received your trophy. Do you want gosh, yeah, I
forgot about that. You don't have to if you don't want, Oh,
it's fine, I will that's just yeah, that's um. That
was a long time ago. Yeah, so I was at
the ceremony um they called me up to go get
my trophy, and I got it and I went back
to my seat and I put it under my seat,
and I didn't realize that they were going to call
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me back up because I had made the World Cup team.
And when they called me back up, me not realizing
that my trophy was still under my seat and that
it's a glass trophy, kicks it over and the whole
thing shatters and the entire crowd just goes and I'm
like walking up to the stage trying not to cry
and in front of like all these different important people
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that have lots of money that are funding like this
whole tournament, and I just broke their trophy that they
gave me. And luckily they gave me another trophy for
being a member of the World Cup team, and that
one was tighter steel or titanium, so I wasn't able
to break that one. But uh, yeah, that was a
pretty funny story. Um well, all right, guys, mom, dad,
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thanks for being on this episode. As always, thanks for
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