September 6, 2023 • 50 mins
Burning Man was sheltering in place with all the mud. Is Burning Man stuck in the mud?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Burning Man gets rained on. You're listening to the BID's tape.
(00:23):
Welcome to biz Tape. You're all Things music, business and
media podcast. I'm your host, Colin McKay with my lovely
co host Coast to Coast Cholsey. God, I am just
out of it, Joseph, I like started yawning in the
middle of that. I'm not going to recut it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hold on, hold on, Josie was what that was my
bully name for a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
People looking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
People just call me my first name. That's my bully's name. No, Glenn. Yeah, anyway, Josie.
Glad to have you on this show. Yeah, welcome to
have you on the show. Josie. It's gonna be great.
Thank you, thank you glad. Oh god, oh, I'm so
(01:16):
out of it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, you're good. You're good. Here.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Let me share a story just to get our chops
a little uh warmed up.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh yeah, before we started into this crap, I.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thought I had lice this week?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Why why do we feel like we have lice?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, because Colin, we visited a niece who had lice.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That would make me feel like I might have lice.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, And we were like oh ship, and it was.
It was very much an oh shit moment where they
caught it. They was as crazy as they checked before
anybody came and a doctor told them they did not
have it, and then they got an infestation on their head,
(02:09):
uh to which we found out later as we were
going to another.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Niece's birthday party. And uh, needless to say, it was
a It was a wonderful adventure.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Baby, start running the shower. There's no time to explain.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We we today, We got fully checked. We had a
we had a a life Specialist, which I didn't even
think those existed special California, California, and they came to
our house. This lady was so nice, she was the
best she came to her house. She was she She
(02:53):
was talking about how everything that she was using was natural.
Which I'm not the type of person that's like the
natural thing is the way to go, because in a
lot of cases, especially if it's like a cleaning product situation,
it's probably not gonna get the job done, you know
what I mean. But this was this was after like
(03:14):
we had pretty much nuked our hair with like the
Life's shampoo, and she did a very very thorough job
of like checking every nook and cranny of our heads
to see if these little buggers.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, now I.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Gotta ask, does the life specialists only specialize in lice
or if.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
She doesn't, you know what she is?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, well that makes it more sustainable.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
She's also a doula.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh my god, but we did not know you're about
to You're about to just chose so she's also she's
also a spiritual advisor. You know, I would.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Not be surprised if that was on the resume as well.
But I'm telling you I felt very safe. Five stars
out of five stars, amazing person and our scalps are
clean and happy.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
On my side. Note, one story I wanted to tell
you is that I saw a LinkedIn job posting and
the title of it was just not that I'm looking
for a job. I just love LinkedIn for if you're
in the entertainment industry, because it doesn't know what to
do with you, so it just like craps out random things.
So Joe, I thought this would be particular to you.
(04:39):
You can be Your job title is photographer, which I
thought lines up, and it's hybrid, which is also nice.
And it's for the United States. Senate. Oh, oh nice,
You work from nine to six and you could be
paid sixty eight K to one hundred and twenty K
a year. So that's that's real chill.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Uh. You must be self motivated to know that. One
if you're working for the government and uh yeah, I
just thought you.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's not going to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, remain agile and adapts to frequent changes. They might
be sending you into.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
The ice stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Anyway, I just saw that. I was like, I gotta
mention this to show today. Anyway, let's get into our
real thing where probably all the spiritual advisors were going
to uh over this last weekend. Uh, we're talking about
the one the only Burning Man, which is doing so
great this year and always does nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know what, Colin, what about Burning Woman? Where is
that one? Burning?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They? Burning Man?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The world's most we we are burning? Where's that festival?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They are burning? Burning Man, the world's most pretentious festival
has had some more issues this year other than attitude.
If you have not heard about it, Joe and I
are going to get into it. Basically, what happened is
is that Burning Man is in the middle of the desert.
It's in the Black Rock City, Nevada to be specific.
(06:16):
And there's seventy to eighty thousand people that come to
this festival, right and it's literally they drive through all
of this stuff, like go off the highway, just start
driving the middle of the desert. They set up, you know,
usually a bunch of people take a bunch of very
legal drugs and have a fun time watching things burn around,
(06:40):
and also are trying to make sure that their startup
has some investors while they're there.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Anyway, the point is is like.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's very they go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
They go very hand in hand, so you know, you
have this high quality clientele. Usually they're on some sort
of spiritual journey or were still gonna have a fun
time here in the middle of the desert in Black
Rocks City, Nevada. Well, this year it did not go
so as well as record rain hit the campsite kind
(07:12):
of with that giant storm that hit the West coast
in general that Joe was affected by. It was kind
of on the tail end of that, and it's caused
the desert to basically become the nineties alt band puddle
of mud. Literally, it is just so so bad. Oh,
(07:33):
they did that Nirvana cover, remember ah do do anyway? Anyway,
keep going, but like that's my impression of an impression,
but anyway, Yeah, so puddle of mud out there. Basically
it started on Friday for this Labor Day weekend, and
by Sunday many of the atendees were stranded there as
(07:58):
most of their vehicles couldn't get out of the conditions
of the terrain that literally mud everywhere. The rains start
coming down on Friday and then Saturday, the organizers of
the festival ordered the festival to shelter in place and
also conserve food and water, which is you know, definitely
not like a we're having a fun time, Yeah you
(08:20):
know what I mean, Like they usually conserve food and water.
It's not like, also we have cake in the kitchen
if anybody wants any but like, literally it was it
was not going good and they basically the organizers of
the festival made it, and so the only vehicles that
could go in and out of the festival were emergency
vehicles even if they could get out of there, right,
(08:42):
because most of these vehicles just get trapped in the mud,
Like even the all terrain ones would just get trapped
in the mud. Because these are unprecedented levels of rain
for a desert, like one inch of rain over this period,
which just makes everything mud, which is very unusual. But
apparently through all of this, spirits remained high. As I've
(09:05):
been reading from MPR and a bunch of other things,
as people almost found it as like a camaraderie moment.
You know, hey, guys, it's fashionable to be kind of
surviving together. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think that like if if there was a festival.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like to have a camaraderie Momentchell.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And they were in the middle of a war, like
a war zone, there would still be people that would say, Oh,
but guys, we're all coming together here, Like, isn't this great,
us just being humans, just kind of trauma bonding together.
Isn't this the most fun ever?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
God dude, No. Yeah, So literally, they the most annoying.
People were having a great time out there, apparently given this.
But seriously, though, people were trying to look up have
a good time with all of this, I guess, and
some people were not. Some people were having a very
rough time and just hated every moment of being out there.
(10:06):
There's a quote which I thought was really funny because like,
MPR goes off and says, like, oh, you know, like
all these people were, you know, going together and like
sharing food and having a fun time like trying to
figure it out. And then like my favorite is like
this guy who I feel like there's like a level
of being mad about something, especially with events, where it's
(10:29):
like you're mad and you want to give like a
da tribe that has all these adjectives and explains everything,
and then there's just mad. We're just short and so
I like this one from one guy named Joe Bamberg,
who's apparently been in many burning Man. He said he's
seen couches, carpets and clothes eventually dry out, but this
time quote all is damp and we'll be ruined by mold.
(10:51):
He goes, I'm not thrilled people make do It's part
of the adventure, but I guess so he kind of
did end up. But I just think it's funny that
he it's very clear that he's that kind of mad
where it's just like I'm not even I can't even
verbalize anymore how mad I am. Anyway, So they're ordered
to rain Friday, order to shelter place Saturday. People basically
(11:17):
kinda read the writing on the wall, figure out, oh
my god, this place is gonna get shut down for
you know, who knows how long as literally like seventy
thousand people are out there, and so they decide to
do their own journey through six miles of mud. Basically,
(11:38):
people decided to make it go ahead. People people like Diplo,
pee I will get to Diplo. So basically people decided
you could make a six mile trek through like the
solid slippery mud. Basically, like people are literally there's clips
of them walking through it and they're like ripping through
(12:00):
this whole thing because you can't get through it. It's
just solid mud, and they've got like all their stuff
on their back. So some people decided to do that.
And naturally the people we decided my times too valuable
are the celebrities. They decided that they were like, we're
not going to wait for this. We're getting out of here,
(12:21):
and the way we're getting out of there is by
our own two feet and having a fan drive us
out of there when we have to get a car. Anyway,
the point is is that a lot of them decided
to walk away. You know, the six mile trek, which
seems to be terrible, and then they got picked up
by all terrain vehicles like on a road again like
(12:43):
naturally mostly celebs and the West. Joe has mentioned the
one that kind of caught a lot of its attention
was Diplow, who was with Chris Rock out of all
people who decided to hitch a ride with a fan
out of the desert. And I was like, okay, you
know what is two celebrities I would never imagine talking
to each other. So anyway, like Diplow is like posting
(13:07):
about it and kind of shows like, hey, everybody, look,
we're like walking through the thing. And then like here's
like me in the truck with Chris Rock and everything,
and uh like he has a caption here saying, quote,
I legit walk the side of the road for hours
with my thumb out because I have a show in
DC tonight and didn't want to let you all down.
(13:30):
Also show, I would assume also shout out to this
guy for making the small purchase of a truck, not
knowing it was for this exact moment, which I was like, okay,
all right, a little preachy, We're just gonna move past that.
Which my favorite thing is the top comment of this
is pay off his truck for him, which I'm kind
of like, yeah, pay off his truck for him. Fuck
(13:52):
you know what I mean, Like, fuck, between the two
of you, I would be like, yeah, just give him
the money for it. But seriously, yeah, literally, people were
trying to get out of there because seventy thousand people
were trying to ration water and food, so they decided
to walk six miles. I even saw there was like
some aid or I think it was like from Obama's
(14:12):
administration or something that was there, and they walked through
it at midnight, like through the darkness, which I was like,
oh my god, terrifying. Yeah. It's Neil cat y'all, who
is former acting Obama era solicitor general, made the trek out.
He said it was incredibly harrowing six mile hike at
(14:34):
midnight through heavy and slippery mud. So yeah, like people
were ready to get the hell out of there. They were,
you know, going through it. Lastly, let's go on to
kind of what's going on now. So Monday happens and
finally the ban is lifted. They are like the organizers
feel like it's a good time to let the people leave,
(14:57):
and the mass exodus begin ends is around seventy thousand
people all try to leave it once through again still
muddy shit, and so it didn't go as well as
plan As of Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Morning planned out.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The festival started asking people to consider staying a little longer,
because can.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You please stay in this unbearable desert?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, literally where we're where you gotta ration, food and water,
you know and everything. Yeah. There, So the would say
tensions were high. Basically the festival starts backpedaling the day
after and it's like, if you could just stay a
little longer, that'd be great. Usually as I was reading
about it, because again, this is literally in the middle
of the desert. Like it's not like a stone's throw
(15:52):
from the highway. It is like in the middle of
the Nevada Desert. Fallout New Vegas has cut scenes where
this place is taking place. Anyway, the point is is that,
like the it is far away, it usually takes six
to nine hours off the highway to get to where
it is, like not like, oh, you know from your
(16:14):
full Destiny. It's like when you turn right off the highway,
you got six to nine hours of driving. Okay, So
the traffic started getting so congested. At one point on Monday,
it was taking drivers roughly seven hours to traverse a
five mile route pocketed with puddles to the nearest paved road. God,
(16:40):
that's five miles seven hours, which is just I'm sure
Joe's used to it in LA, but here it's very uh,
it's very different. But like apparently, they will say, and
the organizers you said, said this on social media that
by mid morning the time had dropped to only two
to three hours to go those five five miles.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So oh wow, only two hours.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Right exactly to go five miles and an LA commute
if you will. But basically, if you haven't looked up
the pictures of it, you can see all of them
driving out and it's absolutely insane. I would look it
up if you get a chance. If you look up
birding Man just on Google right now, it'll come up
and it's literally just a legion of cars all driving out. Now, okay, cool,
(17:27):
we I guess go and spend thirteen to fourteen to
fifteen to sixteen hours driving to get to the highway,
then what the hell are we gonna do? All seventy
thousand people in the middle of nowhere, Well, most of
them traveled there as there's a lot of high profile
clientele that go there, and the nearest airport is in Reno, Nevada,
(17:48):
which is one hundred and twenty miles away, So you're
still driving probably two hours, probably through heavy traffic as well, and.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Then you're gonna get on a flight that's like fully
booked out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And then you're gonna fight for your life at the
Reno Airport as Reno Airport like basically on social media
started warning going, we do not have the capacity for
overnight stay, like basically, if your flight isn't confirmed, do
not come here, right, do not show up here at all. Right,
if you don't have to be here, don't be here.
(18:23):
So that was kind of like the end of the travel.
But I'm sure the Reno Airport is desolute, you know,
and in the worst shape possible. But like, also what's
in the worst state possible is the campsite itself. Thankfully,
in the end, injuries were lesson expected with a seventy
(18:45):
thousand you know person crowd that had to shelter in place. Sadly,
there was one death that was reported according to local police,
and they're still investigating that at the time. That we're
recording the show and the site again is in total ruin.
And apparently this is normal for it to be in
total ruin, but it's like ruin more than usual, like
(19:09):
which is weird to say. According to one of the
festival's long and longtime slogans, their mission is to quote
leave no trace. But as the sheriff Jerry Allen of
Pershing County, Nevada, where the festival is held every year, said,
and tendees usually leave a large amount of trash in
to Reno and points beyond. The mess this year was worse.
(19:34):
So like, yeah, they you know, preach all these slogans
about like we don't touch the environment, but then seventy
thousand people show up with all their generators and all
this stuff, and guess what mess up the whole environment
and literally leave a path of multi hour destruction behind them.
As many of the people I've told you said, they
(19:55):
just refuse to wait and decided to hike out and
maybe get a ride from somebody. Apparently a bunch of
people just left their cars there, just left them to
be out in the desert basically, and they left a
lot of their personal belongings there too. As you can
imagine through the mud slipping and all that kind of stuff,
(20:17):
it might just be better to leave the backpack if
you feel like you can't make it with all the
weight on the back of it. So a lot of
them decided to do that, and they basically gave little
care to what would happen to those items, And now
we're dealing with what would happen to them quote, as
usually happens in what Burners referred to as the default world,
(20:41):
people allow their emotions to override their reasonableness, and they
are lashing out each other as they leave the plaia
which is the desert, and attempt to make it to
the next destination, which is honestly, which is a quote
by the sheriff Jerry Allen, really the kind of sentiment
at the end of the day, they leave reasonableness and
(21:01):
they are lashing out at each other as they leave.
But thankfully, it seems that other than the tremendous amount
of pollution, which I'm not going to take lightly either,
this situation could have been much worse and has ended
up being, you know, one of the better circumstances when
I first was reading about it. But Joe, what's your
(21:22):
overall kind of vibe from this what are we thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean I think that kind of to touch
on the well first, I guess Colin, I want to
answer your question with a question myself, But what is
your take on Burning Man in general? Like what is like,
what do you feel what do you think about Burning Man?
(21:48):
Do you think do you think that's like a legitimate
festival or do you think it's just kind of an
excuse too for people to just like be to pretend
like they give a shit about the environment.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah. Burning Man has always had a very strange vibe
in that it felt like it was always like, Hey,
we're going to say that we're really concerned about the environment,
and we're there to kind of absorb it and be
in nature and stuff, and then we're going to cause
(22:25):
all the problems that are slowly destroying the environment as well,
you know, with all this destructive tourism and pollution and
kind of not giving a shit about what's going on
and everything. So I my personal thing with Burning Man
has always been that I feel like it feels like
a festival that's at odds with itself. I mean, it's
very old now, like it's from nineteen eighty six was
(22:48):
the first burning Man, and so it's almost going to
be coming on like forty years now, which is, you know, amazing,
but it's never it's always made a league of their own.
But I would argue that in the terms of festivals,
it's made their league of their own in the negative
as well as opposed to just being like, oh, well,
(23:09):
you know, we were one of the first big festivals.
It's like we're one of the you know, poster children
for hypocritical festivals that are going like, oh, we're just
trying to you know, have these ten principles. That's the
whole thing. They have, like ten principles they like govern
themselves on with the local communities, and then we're going
to do the exact opposite of it, you know. So
(23:32):
I don't know about you, Joe, it just seems like
a you know, kind of shed your shed your guilt,
shehed your remorse, shed your sins, and let that just
be absorbed into the environment, you know what I mean.
That's what I've always felt like, and we'll just we
won't deal with it and we'll get a new you know,
set of skin every year. What about you?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean I feel the same way. I've always
thought like just the the aspect of like what do
they do at Burning Man is kind of like the
biggest question because it's like it's supposed to be this
like arts festival, right, that kind of like morphed into
this like like environmental festival slash arts festival slash to
(24:21):
like billionaires are coming out to like not billionaires, but
like you know, like wealthy, Yeah, very wealthy people are
coming out to party. Essentially, everyone's just partying and nothing
is like I wouldn't say like partying is like negative.
I do think like there's something to like concerts right
(24:44):
where it's like you do there is some level of like, oh,
you get some enjoyment, you meet people, you have conversations.
Like that's kind of the whole purpose of everything when
it comes to entertainment, right is to is to bring
people together, to feel connected and to feel kind of spiritual.
But I do feel like there is this like twisted
(25:05):
way of like looking at like these people that obviously
could make real moves when it comes to the environmental
problem in the environmental crisis of the world, but then
just like choosing to just like throw down in a desert,
(25:25):
you know, because all the cool people are going there
is kind of the kind of the my biggest issue
with it. But I actually I saw a YouTube comment
on because I was I was kind of kind of
going through YouTube just to kind of get the vibe
of Burning Men, because it's been a long time since
I've like even thought about the festival, to be honest
(25:49):
with you, and it's kind of interesting with how massive
this festival is. I mean, it is like it's truly
a city at this point. Like it is, it is
a full fledged city. It has a full fledged city
plan to it with leaders and construction and the whole
(26:09):
infrastructure that's temporary infrastructure, but is very planned out. But
this one person comments, one big criticism of Burning Man
that I don't here discussed enough is how artificial it is.
For the week long event, it is leave no trace
as soon as possible, but as soon as people leave
(26:30):
black Rock City, it's a free for all to see
who can leave the biggest mess in the surrounding communities.
I've seen places have to hire guards to stop burners
from dumping their trash and leaving the local property owner
to clean it up. My husband used to work at
a U haul in sparks Nevada and Burners would routinely
leave return their trucks, which technically weren't supposed to be
(26:54):
taken to Burning Man in the first place according to
their rental contract, completely full of one time with trash
that was literally a smoldering fire. For the week long event,
it was about radical inclusistivity, But as soon as participants
leave and go home, they still are the type of
people who show up to town hall meetings to oppose
(27:17):
affordable housing being built in their communities. For locals in
northern Nevada, the event has become the one week a
year that wealthy Silicon Valley types can come in coseplay
as egalitarian and eco friendly people before making a mess
and going right back to what they were doing before
(27:37):
Burning Man so full of confidence that because they pretended
for a week, they don't have to care about the
next fifty one weeks of the year. It's a shame
because a lot of us who have lived here our
whole lives remember when it truly was a place for
people who believed in the mission and the vision of
Burning Man, who used the event as a way to
(27:58):
experiment on how they could apply values and will go
home genuinely changed by the experience and try to do better.
It would be great if we could get back to
that again. It's like kind of a crazy comment. It
actually is kind of like a lower comment on the thing,
but I feel like.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's a very well thought out comment.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, it's like kind of sums up a very true
point of Burning Man. And what's funny is this is
on the video of Demi Lee, who's a architect YouTuber
who kind of breaks down architecture, and she broke down
Burning Man as a city and like how it's planned,
(28:40):
how it's put on, and she said, I mean it's
like foreshadowing. It's like she's like, yeah, shit happens a
lot and people die and it's crazy and this thing
really shouldn't exist, but here it is, you know, And
like that's kind of that's kind of what I think,
like going back to when you're just like when we
(29:02):
were kind of joking on like people being like, you know,
they could be in the middle of a war zone,
right and they'd still see the good.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I do think that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That is kind of the whole point of Burning Man, right,
is to be in this uninhabitable place in it's but
it's kind of like it's defiance. But isn't the whole
point of being like conscious of like how wasteful we
(29:32):
are to to kind of go with mother nature a bit,
not to like not just to like be like, oh,
we can triumph over it. Because that's kind of the
vibe I get from Burning Man. I don't really, I
don't know, there's.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
No yeah, it's it's definitely feels like contrarian too. It's
a lot of its values and maybe it's just because
it's so big now, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Which a lot of old burners talk about talk about
that and how they're kind of they're feeling down about it.
There's one guy that was in another video who was
being interviewed during the mud Crisis that basically was saying
(30:23):
how this was kind of going hearkening back to the
early days of like only like two hundred people like
hunker together and like you're really getting to know each
other and you're like caring for each other. And that
is one thing about Burning Man is like you're supposed
to barter, you're supposed to like trade for food, water supplies, whatever.
(30:45):
But now it's like people are saying, like, oh, when
people are in crisis or need help during this, people
help out. On the contrary to that, I saw other
videos of people trying to flee even though they were
but they were told not to specifically because they would
fuck up the roads.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And yeah, those people don't care.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So it's I feel like the biggest lesson out of
this is that humans can be shitty and good ultimately.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean, it's just like straight being hypocritical, you know
what I mean. Yeah, And I think it's interesting because
one of the other tenants of Burning Man, one of
the ten Burning Man tenants, So the ten principles is gifting.
The act of giving gifts. The value of gift is unconditional,
which you know, if you're just gonna mess up with
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somebody else can to get out, you know, you're weaving
no trace is another one. It just is all contradictory intimacy. Intimacy,
Oh yeah, you're really intimate with all seventy thousand other people.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
How to be there? Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's like, I feel like Coachella people, you Coachella as
the influencer festival, but I actually think Burning Man is
like the most the Burning.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Man is well, the thing about Burning Man is like
it's it's innately because it's separated from music, it has
to focus on something else that's just not a you know,
music based thing. So they hit all these experiences. But
it is kind of amazing, Like when you go to
the website and I'm reading it right now, like the
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lack of information, Like it feels like I'm sitting there
being like, hello, what does this mean? You know what
I mean, like what is going on? You know? And
I get it's like supposed to be kind of the
allure and the mystery of basically it, but it's it's
really funny and also I just think it's very strange,
like and also really funny to me that the phrase
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for people that go to the festival are burners, which
is exactly what I would describe burning man, Like it
just is burning everything in its path, right, Yeah, it's
just burning the environment that it sits on, it's burning
the communities it's around. It's literally just burning. And like
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people are hype for burning, but they're not hype for
you know, they just leave when there's the repercussions, you know,
there's they leave when there's just the ash that's left
there at the end of the day. So I just
find it really ironic that it they're burners, you know
what I mean? Because I know they burn the giant
burning man thing in the middle or whatever, but like
apparently this year also, which I thought was like really
(33:40):
funny to me. It's like if you I don't know,
I don't know what you guys believe. You know, you
can believe anything, but if you really wanted an ultimate
universal this is a bad idea. If the point of
your festival is to burn something and the world in
the in the sky above decides to go no and
press rain water down onto the thing you're supposed to burn,
(34:03):
I don't know what you believe, but that might be
a sign, you know what I mean that we should
not be doing this. Yeah, they had to apparently delay
doing that for two days. I don't think they burned
it into like Monday night.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
They did burn it. Thought, yeah, they did burn it.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But it was like, you know, it's almost like a
metaphor for the whole thing. Yeah, it's where it's like
we're just gonna keep doing it even though we're not
supposed to, even though everything's stopping us from doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I was having a really interesting conversation with a family
member about just what to do with the environment, and like,
you know, how people should feel about it because it's
we were talking about how like the narrative, right is like, Oh,
each individual person, it's your responsibility to recycle. It's your responsibility. Meanwhile,
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mega corporation are like pollute, like pumping trillions of gallons
of whatever into the ocean of oil or garbage or
you know, like your your little Starbucks cup that you
recycle might not offset the insane amount of waste coming
from these mega corporations. But we were talking about like
(35:22):
the aftermath, right of like what what does like earth
look like when you know, global warming eventually takes over
I mean literal yeah, but like what what does that
look like? And like their their hypothesis was like, well,
it's gonna be a lot of lower income communities and
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people that are going to suffer the most because it's
like they don't have shelter, they don't have the supplies
or money to get them from point A to point B.
Most of the earth is just going to be uninhabitable
for people living outside, Right, you have to have some
(36:05):
form of shelter. And what I think as well, kind
of hopping on that idea is like it kind of
shows that like things, I feel like capitalism is really
going to like have a heyday honestly during the end
of the world, because it's gonna we're gonna start seeing
things that are gonna be shockingly expensive that we're not
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expensive before, right, like air conditioning units or transportation or
electricity or whatever, like all of those things are gonna
start hiking up in price. But the main thing is
that whereas a lot of like middle to low income
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people are like rightfully afraid of what the environment has
in store for us, a lot of these rich people
don't care because it doesn't matter to them. They'll be
able to fly their jet wherever, whenever. And that's something
(37:14):
that like I don't know. I mean, obviously we don't
know what's truly gonna happen if we tip tip over
that threshold. But that's something like that is kind of
it's kind of the same thing that they're doing here,
right They don't they truly don't care about it. It's
just the narrative. It's just the it's the look of
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what they're doing is all they all they care about.
Like every every company is trying to go green the
green wash. Burning Man is green washing to its core
pretty much.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think it's literally epitome of like, oh, wash away
all your you know, wash away all your sins. Wash it,
and you're like, maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we shouldn't or
burn really is what it should be. It's like maybe
we shouldn't. So, yeah, it'll it'll be interesting. Joe and
I have already bought our tickets for next year so
we can.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
We're gonna we're gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
From Burning Man.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What if we were like be like, guys, this fucking sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Hey guys, uh, here we are in Burning Man. It's
hot as balls. It's so offered me Stock in his
new company.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Hey guys, what going on?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Just every every podcast. Three hundred and sixty one days,
still Burning Man, three hundred and fifty five days, still burning.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
A question I've I've been pondering in my own mind.
Do you think Silicon Valley is dead or even Silicon
Valley anymore?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
They're at Burning Man.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So I mean, I mean fair, but I mean like
even bad time to the I mean the state of
social media and like a lot of these tech companies.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's pretty bleak looking at the moment.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You really want to get into this.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now you want to get to it?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Hey, all right, hand business talk goes hand in hand, Colin,
after this, we're gonna burn our desks.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
We're just gonna burn the freaking Q two Q three reports.
I mean, I don't think it is. I think it's
changed a lot. I think that.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because I think, do you think it's like as important
of a hub as it was in the past.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I would say due to the rise of especially the
workforce being online and globalization, it doesn't have to be
as centralized anymore. If we're actually talking about Silicon Valley
and where it's located and everything. But at the same time,
we're seeing a lot of different tech companies now folding
(40:10):
on their oh you just work from home. They're like
Amazon's making people work, or they're you know, like literally
threatening people to move states, you know, to keep their job,
and people are just quitting. And then there was a
you know, other companies like Meta's doing it and x
is doing it where it's like, oh yeah, now you
have to come into the office, and there's kind of this.
(40:33):
So I think they're trying to kind of force that
back in that like real Silicon Valley campus experience to
kind of show their power to their employees but also
the world. But I think it's kind of shifted because
it used to be very much this kind of branching
(40:56):
path of you know, oh the Internet and what it brings,
and now it's just towards AI, you know, and AI
is just kind of extremely globalized and doesn't again because
of the way that we do work now doesn't have
to be centrally located somewhere where you have to be
three feet away from the server to access it. So
(41:17):
I think it's I think it's a tough question to answer.
I mean, I do think Silicon Valley in terms of
the companies still exists, but I think it's rapidly changing
to be more towards that kind of you know, AI
kind of side where it's not the traditional Silicon Valley
that we're used to, where a Google, for instance, is
(41:37):
just going to throw up a jillion dollars at whatever
it wants to. Now Google is just like, oh, well,
just only do AI. That's all we're gonna throw money at.
Forget the Google Glass, forget the Google games, forget it
you know what I mean. But what about you? What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think the infrastructure itself has been shifting,
and I think a lot of that has to do
with many factors, want that being the pandemic, right right.
I also think, like what's funny is a lot of
them are going to Phoenix, Arizona, which I think is
it's kind of hilarious because it's like servers need to
(42:14):
be cool, but they're going to a middle the middle of.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
A desert and needs to be dry.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly, But they're they're shifting towards like
a lot of these companies are shifting towards those like
more expansive parts of the US because of the amount
of space to add more servers, but also because the
land itself is so much cheaper, which I think is
(42:42):
is very interesting and also too like a lot of
the states are incentivizing those companies to come out for
like tax cuts and like all that other stuff, which
we'll see what happens if social media dies in the
next five years. But yeah, I think, like I don't know,
(43:03):
you know, I guess it's the trillion dollar question, right
of what's the next where's the next Silicon Valley. Maybe
it's not even in the US, which you know it's Yeah,
I mean it's weird that we have to say that,
but you know, US supremacy pretty much has existed on
(43:27):
the Internet, so it's it's a new world for sure.
And I do think AI is going to like we're
kind of in the like the supersonic speed speed run
of Internet at this point, because I feel like AI
is just going to like shoot technology left and right.
(43:47):
Like I feel like technology is just going to get
more and more insane in such a faster rate with
how a lot of these companies and tech giants are
going to use it. But I also think there's gonna
be a lot of shifts, uh and a lot of
fold up. I think companies, even big companies, are not
(44:09):
going to know what to do and they'll probably go
out of business. Well, speaking of seeing Colin, what about hearing?
What have you been listening to?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I thought it was just gonna hold that until I
find the thing I'm loading up on my YouTube music
let me see. Well, I have to say I've been
playing the slowed and reverb Margeritaville more for Jimmy Buffett
since he's gone out.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'm actually gonna have a margarita after this.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm not kidding. I'm gonna do it for Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah. I don't know why. At work it's become my
song is I I like to play really stupid music
on Fridays, And the thing I've been playing is slowed
reverb Margaritaville for a couple of weeks. And instead of
like the instead of the ding ding ding ding, it's
like ding ding ding ding ding ding ding d d
doing ding ding ding ding d I like zibbing on
(45:19):
sponge Kick anyway, but like literally that's what it's like.
And all my coworker, like one of my co workers
texted me when it said that Jimmy Buffett had passed away.
He goes, I'm implementing a new policy where we just
played sload and reverb uh Margaritaville every day for Jimmy
(45:39):
and uh yeah, man, jim Buffett. I wasn't It was
really weird. Before he died. I was like randomly listening
to Jimmy Buffett like I was just like one of
listenings that changes in latitudes, changes and attitudes. I was
just sitting up there in our kind of speaker department
working on stuff, and I was like, then like two
days later on the Friday, he like passed away, and
I was like, damn, what a weird Like I like
(46:00):
it was weird. It was like the I was just
beckoned to that, but no, I was listening to some
Jimmy Buffett and it holds up pretty well. And Jimmy,
I mean, is definitely one of the most interesting musicians
from a music business angle, just because he really took
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a career that would have been just a regular level
career and skyrocketed it into a billion dollar business and branding.
And I think that, you know, with Jimmy Buffett gone now,
it's it's really amazing to kind of look at his
life and be like, wow, this guy took like what
(46:43):
could have been just like his one hit Wonder song
and like, you know, like one other song that was
kind of a hit, and he made that into a
household name by keeping the branding, doing all this stuff,
being a household name and just being a business having
so much business acumen. It's really amazing to see. So,
I mean, you know that Joe's poortn went out for
(47:04):
Jimmy Buffett tonight and also he did have to go
on a three day weekend, didn't he. Like, That's the
most Jimmy Buffett thing ever is that he left on
Labor Day. He left on like he left on the holiday.
That is explicitly for not working. It's not like when
we're in remember like remembrance for Yeah, isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Also side note, I was listening to Saday and I
was just.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
He was like, this is the best.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, uh fun fun. Fact his other really hit song
come Monday, which is like his first hit song. He
has a line in it and he goes getting ready
for the Labor Day show and it's like, what anyway
more Jimmy Buffett facts On the next episode, Joe, when
we listening, what do you want to listen to?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I've been listening to Katie Kirby's newest release, Cubic Zirconia,
which is really sick song. I've also been listening to
the new Angie McMahon singles. One is Letting Go, which
is a great song. Honestly, like every song coming out
(48:21):
for this project is just incredible. Really excited about the
rest of the record coming out as well and then
kind of as like an artist that not many people
know about, but a project called a Beacon School came
(48:41):
out with an EP recently. It's the first release in
like since twenty eighteen, which is actually that's not true.
They had twenty twenty two, but like the project's like
coming back to life sincewy nineteen, twenty eighteen, and I
don't know. It's like it's it's a project that's like
(49:03):
really gotten in my head like a lot that it
just has like a ton of songs that are really interesting.
It's kind of like it's kind of like experimental. It's
almost like math rock. But then it's like, uh, it
has like a bit of like a house beat to it.
So I don't know, it's like it's hard to explain.
(49:25):
It's so it's very different than anything else I've really
listened to. And it's got like a little bit of
like an emo vocal on the top, but very very sick. Yeah,
super emo emo for Elma Burning Man. I you know,
I was gonna say Elmo too, but it didn't. And
(49:48):
now I'm now now I hate myself and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Go Almo's gonna help you work.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I'm gonna have the smart I'm gonna out for Jimmy,
born off Jimmy and Burning Mam.
Burning Man gets rained on. You're listening to the BID's tape.
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Welcome to biz Tape. You're all Things music, business and
media podcast. I'm your host, Colin McKay with my lovely
co host Coast to Coast Cholsey. God, I am just
out of it, Joseph, I like started yawning in the
middle of that. I'm not going to recut it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hold on, hold on, Josie was what that was my
bully name for a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
People looking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
People just call me my first name. That's my bully's name. No, Glenn. Yeah, anyway, Josie.
Glad to have you on this show. Yeah, welcome to
have you on the show. Josie. It's gonna be great.
Thank you, thank you glad. Oh god, oh, I'm so
(01:16):
out of it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, you're good. You're good. Here.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Let me share a story just to get our chops
a little uh warmed up.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh yeah, before we started into this crap, I.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thought I had lice this week?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Why why do we feel like we have lice?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, because Colin, we visited a niece who had lice.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That would make me feel like I might have lice.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, And we were like oh ship, and it was.
It was very much an oh shit moment where they
caught it. They was as crazy as they checked before
anybody came and a doctor told them they did not
have it, and then they got an infestation on their head,
(02:09):
uh to which we found out later as we were
going to another.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Niece's birthday party. And uh, needless to say, it was
a It was a wonderful adventure.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Baby, start running the shower. There's no time to explain.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We we today, We got fully checked. We had a
we had a a life Specialist, which I didn't even
think those existed special California, California, and they came to
our house. This lady was so nice, she was the
best she came to her house. She was she She
(02:53):
was talking about how everything that she was using was natural.
Which I'm not the type of person that's like the
natural thing is the way to go, because in a
lot of cases, especially if it's like a cleaning product situation,
it's probably not gonna get the job done, you know
what I mean. But this was this was after like
(03:14):
we had pretty much nuked our hair with like the
Life's shampoo, and she did a very very thorough job
of like checking every nook and cranny of our heads
to see if these little buggers.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, now I.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Gotta ask, does the life specialists only specialize in lice
or if.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
She doesn't, you know what she is?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, well that makes it more sustainable.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
She's also a doula.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh my god, but we did not know you're about
to You're about to just chose so she's also she's
also a spiritual advisor. You know, I would.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Not be surprised if that was on the resume as well.
But I'm telling you I felt very safe. Five stars
out of five stars, amazing person and our scalps are
clean and happy.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
On my side. Note, one story I wanted to tell
you is that I saw a LinkedIn job posting and
the title of it was just not that I'm looking
for a job. I just love LinkedIn for if you're
in the entertainment industry, because it doesn't know what to
do with you, so it just like craps out random things.
So Joe, I thought this would be particular to you.
(04:39):
You can be Your job title is photographer, which I
thought lines up, and it's hybrid, which is also nice.
And it's for the United States. Senate. Oh, oh nice,
You work from nine to six and you could be
paid sixty eight K to one hundred and twenty K
a year. So that's that's real chill.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Uh. You must be self motivated to know that. One
if you're working for the government and uh yeah, I
just thought you.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's not going to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, remain agile and adapts to frequent changes. They might
be sending you into.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
The ice stretch.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Anyway, I just saw that. I was like, I gotta
mention this to show today. Anyway, let's get into our
real thing where probably all the spiritual advisors were going
to uh over this last weekend. Uh, we're talking about
the one the only Burning Man, which is doing so
great this year and always does nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know what, Colin, what about Burning Woman? Where is
that one? Burning?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They? Burning Man?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
The world's most we we are burning? Where's that festival?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They are burning? Burning Man, the world's most pretentious festival
has had some more issues this year other than attitude.
If you have not heard about it, Joe and I
are going to get into it. Basically, what happened is
is that Burning Man is in the middle of the desert.
It's in the Black Rock City, Nevada to be specific.
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And there's seventy to eighty thousand people that come to
this festival, right and it's literally they drive through all
of this stuff, like go off the highway, just start
driving the middle of the desert. They set up, you know,
usually a bunch of people take a bunch of very
legal drugs and have a fun time watching things burn around,
(06:40):
and also are trying to make sure that their startup
has some investors while they're there.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Anyway, the point is is like.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's very they go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
They go very hand in hand, so you know, you
have this high quality clientele. Usually they're on some sort
of spiritual journey or were still gonna have a fun
time here in the middle of the desert in Black
Rocks City, Nevada. Well, this year it did not go
so as well as record rain hit the campsite kind
(07:12):
of with that giant storm that hit the West coast
in general that Joe was affected by. It was kind
of on the tail end of that, and it's caused
the desert to basically become the nineties alt band puddle
of mud. Literally, it is just so so bad. Oh,
(07:33):
they did that Nirvana cover, remember ah do do anyway? Anyway,
keep going, but like that's my impression of an impression,
but anyway, Yeah, so puddle of mud out there. Basically
it started on Friday for this Labor Day weekend, and
by Sunday many of the atendees were stranded there as
(07:58):
most of their vehicles couldn't get out of the conditions
of the terrain that literally mud everywhere. The rains start
coming down on Friday and then Saturday, the organizers of
the festival ordered the festival to shelter in place and
also conserve food and water, which is you know, definitely
not like a we're having a fun time, Yeah you
(08:20):
know what I mean, Like they usually conserve food and water.
It's not like, also we have cake in the kitchen
if anybody wants any but like, literally it was it
was not going good and they basically the organizers of
the festival made it, and so the only vehicles that
could go in and out of the festival were emergency
vehicles even if they could get out of there, right,
(08:42):
because most of these vehicles just get trapped in the mud,
Like even the all terrain ones would just get trapped
in the mud. Because these are unprecedented levels of rain
for a desert, like one inch of rain over this period,
which just makes everything mud, which is very unusual. But
apparently through all of this, spirits remained high. As I've
(09:05):
been reading from MPR and a bunch of other things,
as people almost found it as like a camaraderie moment.
You know, hey, guys, it's fashionable to be kind of
surviving together. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think that like if if there was a festival.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like to have a camaraderie Momentchell.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And they were in the middle of a war, like
a war zone, there would still be people that would say, Oh,
but guys, we're all coming together here, Like, isn't this great,
us just being humans, just kind of trauma bonding together.
Isn't this the most fun ever?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
God dude, No. Yeah, So literally, they the most annoying.
People were having a great time out there, apparently given this.
But seriously, though, people were trying to look up have
a good time with all of this, I guess, and
some people were not. Some people were having a very
rough time and just hated every moment of being out there.
(10:06):
There's a quote which I thought was really funny because like,
MPR goes off and says, like, oh, you know, like
all these people were, you know, going together and like
sharing food and having a fun time like trying to
figure it out. And then like my favorite is like
this guy who I feel like there's like a level
of being mad about something, especially with events, where it's
(10:29):
like you're mad and you want to give like a
da tribe that has all these adjectives and explains everything,
and then there's just mad. We're just short and so
I like this one from one guy named Joe Bamberg,
who's apparently been in many burning Man. He said he's
seen couches, carpets and clothes eventually dry out, but this
time quote all is damp and we'll be ruined by mold.
(10:51):
He goes, I'm not thrilled people make do It's part
of the adventure, but I guess so he kind of
did end up. But I just think it's funny that
he it's very clear that he's that kind of mad
where it's just like I'm not even I can't even
verbalize anymore how mad I am. Anyway, So they're ordered
to rain Friday, order to shelter place Saturday. People basically
(11:17):
kinda read the writing on the wall, figure out, oh
my god, this place is gonna get shut down for
you know, who knows how long as literally like seventy
thousand people are out there, and so they decide to
do their own journey through six miles of mud. Basically,
(11:38):
people decided to make it go ahead. People people like Diplo,
pee I will get to Diplo. So basically people decided
you could make a six mile trek through like the
solid slippery mud. Basically, like people are literally there's clips
of them walking through it and they're like ripping through
(12:00):
this whole thing because you can't get through it. It's
just solid mud, and they've got like all their stuff
on their back. So some people decided to do that.
And naturally the people we decided my times too valuable
are the celebrities. They decided that they were like, we're
not going to wait for this. We're getting out of here,
(12:21):
and the way we're getting out of there is by
our own two feet and having a fan drive us
out of there when we have to get a car. Anyway,
the point is is that a lot of them decided
to walk away. You know, the six mile trek, which
seems to be terrible, and then they got picked up
by all terrain vehicles like on a road again like
(12:43):
naturally mostly celebs and the West. Joe has mentioned the
one that kind of caught a lot of its attention
was Diplow, who was with Chris Rock out of all
people who decided to hitch a ride with a fan
out of the desert. And I was like, okay, you
know what is two celebrities I would never imagine talking
to each other. So anyway, like Diplow is like posting
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about it and kind of shows like, hey, everybody, look,
we're like walking through the thing. And then like here's
like me in the truck with Chris Rock and everything,
and uh like he has a caption here saying, quote,
I legit walk the side of the road for hours
with my thumb out because I have a show in
DC tonight and didn't want to let you all down.
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Also show, I would assume also shout out to this
guy for making the small purchase of a truck, not
knowing it was for this exact moment, which I was like, okay,
all right, a little preachy, We're just gonna move past that.
Which my favorite thing is the top comment of this
is pay off his truck for him, which I'm kind
of like, yeah, pay off his truck for him. Fuck
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you know what I mean, Like, fuck, between the two
of you, I would be like, yeah, just give him
the money for it. But seriously, yeah, literally, people were
trying to get out of there because seventy thousand people
were trying to ration water and food, so they decided
to walk six miles. I even saw there was like
some aid or I think it was like from Obama's
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administration or something that was there, and they walked through
it at midnight, like through the darkness, which I was like,
oh my god, terrifying. Yeah. It's Neil cat y'all, who
is former acting Obama era solicitor general, made the trek out.
He said it was incredibly harrowing six mile hike at
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midnight through heavy and slippery mud. So yeah, like people
were ready to get the hell out of there. They were,
you know, going through it. Lastly, let's go on to
kind of what's going on now. So Monday happens and
finally the ban is lifted. They are like the organizers
feel like it's a good time to let the people leave,
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and the mass exodus begin ends is around seventy thousand
people all try to leave it once through again still
muddy shit, and so it didn't go as well as
plan As of Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Morning planned out.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The festival started asking people to consider staying a little longer,
because can.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You please stay in this unbearable desert?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, literally where we're where you gotta ration, food and water,
you know and everything. Yeah. There, So the would say
tensions were high. Basically the festival starts backpedaling the day
after and it's like, if you could just stay a
little longer, that'd be great. Usually as I was reading
about it, because again, this is literally in the middle
of the desert. Like it's not like a stone's throw
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from the highway. It is like in the middle of
the Nevada Desert. Fallout New Vegas has cut scenes where
this place is taking place. Anyway, the point is is that,
like the it is far away, it usually takes six
to nine hours off the highway to get to where
it is, like not like, oh, you know from your
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full Destiny. It's like when you turn right off the highway,
you got six to nine hours of driving. Okay, So
the traffic started getting so congested. At one point on Monday,
it was taking drivers roughly seven hours to traverse a
five mile route pocketed with puddles to the nearest paved road. God,
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that's five miles seven hours, which is just I'm sure
Joe's used to it in LA, but here it's very uh,
it's very different. But like apparently, they will say, and
the organizers you said, said this on social media that
by mid morning the time had dropped to only two
to three hours to go those five five miles.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So oh wow, only two hours.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Right exactly to go five miles and an LA commute
if you will. But basically, if you haven't looked up
the pictures of it, you can see all of them
driving out and it's absolutely insane. I would look it
up if you get a chance. If you look up
birding Man just on Google right now, it'll come up
and it's literally just a legion of cars all driving out. Now, okay, cool,
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we I guess go and spend thirteen to fourteen to
fifteen to sixteen hours driving to get to the highway,
then what the hell are we gonna do? All seventy
thousand people in the middle of nowhere, Well, most of
them traveled there as there's a lot of high profile
clientele that go there, and the nearest airport is in Reno, Nevada,
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which is one hundred and twenty miles away, So you're
still driving probably two hours, probably through heavy traffic as well, and.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Then you're gonna get on a flight that's like fully
booked out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And then you're gonna fight for your life at the
Reno Airport as Reno Airport like basically on social media
started warning going, we do not have the capacity for
overnight stay, like basically, if your flight isn't confirmed, do
not come here, right, do not show up here at all. Right,
if you don't have to be here, don't be here.
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So that was kind of like the end of the travel.
But I'm sure the Reno Airport is desolute, you know,
and in the worst shape possible. But like, also what's
in the worst state possible is the campsite itself. Thankfully,
in the end, injuries were lesson expected with a seventy
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thousand you know person crowd that had to shelter in place. Sadly,
there was one death that was reported according to local police,
and they're still investigating that at the time. That we're
recording the show and the site again is in total ruin.
And apparently this is normal for it to be in
total ruin, but it's like ruin more than usual, like
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which is weird to say. According to one of the
festival's long and longtime slogans, their mission is to quote
leave no trace. But as the sheriff Jerry Allen of
Pershing County, Nevada, where the festival is held every year, said,
and tendees usually leave a large amount of trash in
to Reno and points beyond. The mess this year was worse.
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So like, yeah, they you know, preach all these slogans
about like we don't touch the environment, but then seventy
thousand people show up with all their generators and all
this stuff, and guess what mess up the whole environment
and literally leave a path of multi hour destruction behind them.
As many of the people I've told you said, they
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just refuse to wait and decided to hike out and
maybe get a ride from somebody. Apparently a bunch of
people just left their cars there, just left them to
be out in the desert basically, and they left a
lot of their personal belongings there too. As you can
imagine through the mud slipping and all that kind of stuff,
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it might just be better to leave the backpack if
you feel like you can't make it with all the
weight on the back of it. So a lot of
them decided to do that, and they basically gave little
care to what would happen to those items, And now
we're dealing with what would happen to them quote, as
usually happens in what Burners referred to as the default world,
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people allow their emotions to override their reasonableness, and they
are lashing out each other as they leave the plaia
which is the desert, and attempt to make it to
the next destination, which is honestly, which is a quote
by the sheriff Jerry Allen, really the kind of sentiment
at the end of the day, they leave reasonableness and
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they are lashing out at each other as they leave.
But thankfully, it seems that other than the tremendous amount
of pollution, which I'm not going to take lightly either,
this situation could have been much worse and has ended
up being, you know, one of the better circumstances when
I first was reading about it. But Joe, what's your
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overall kind of vibe from this what are we thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean I think that kind of to touch
on the well first, I guess Colin, I want to
answer your question with a question myself, But what is
your take on Burning Man in general? Like what is like,
what do you feel what do you think about Burning Man?
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Do you think do you think that's like a legitimate
festival or do you think it's just kind of an
excuse too for people to just like be to pretend
like they give a shit about the environment.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah. Burning Man has always had a very strange vibe
in that it felt like it was always like, Hey,
we're going to say that we're really concerned about the environment,
and we're there to kind of absorb it and be
in nature and stuff, and then we're going to cause
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all the problems that are slowly destroying the environment as well,
you know, with all this destructive tourism and pollution and
kind of not giving a shit about what's going on
and everything. So I my personal thing with Burning Man
has always been that I feel like it feels like
a festival that's at odds with itself. I mean, it's
very old now, like it's from nineteen eighty six was
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the first burning Man, and so it's almost going to
be coming on like forty years now, which is, you know, amazing,
but it's never it's always made a league of their own.
But I would argue that in the terms of festivals,
it's made their league of their own in the negative
as well as opposed to just being like, oh, well,
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you know, we were one of the first big festivals.
It's like we're one of the you know, poster children
for hypocritical festivals that are going like, oh, we're just
trying to you know, have these ten principles. That's the
whole thing. They have, like ten principles they like govern
themselves on with the local communities, and then we're going
to do the exact opposite of it, you know. So
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I don't know about you, Joe, it just seems like
a you know, kind of shed your shed your guilt,
shehed your remorse, shed your sins, and let that just
be absorbed into the environment, you know what I mean.
That's what I've always felt like, and we'll just we
won't deal with it and we'll get a new you know,
set of skin every year. What about you?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean I feel the same way. I've always
thought like just the the aspect of like what do
they do at Burning Man is kind of like the
biggest question because it's like it's supposed to be this
like arts festival, right, that kind of like morphed into
this like like environmental festival slash arts festival slash to
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like billionaires are coming out to like not billionaires, but
like you know, like wealthy, Yeah, very wealthy people are
coming out to party. Essentially, everyone's just partying and nothing
is like I wouldn't say like partying is like negative.
I do think like there's something to like concerts right
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where it's like you do there is some level of like, oh,
you get some enjoyment, you meet people, you have conversations.
Like that's kind of the whole purpose of everything when
it comes to entertainment, right is to is to bring
people together, to feel connected and to feel kind of spiritual.
But I do feel like there is this like twisted
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way of like looking at like these people that obviously
could make real moves when it comes to the environmental
problem in the environmental crisis of the world, but then
just like choosing to just like throw down in a desert,
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you know, because all the cool people are going there
is kind of the kind of the my biggest issue
with it. But I actually I saw a YouTube comment
on because I was I was kind of kind of
going through YouTube just to kind of get the vibe
of Burning Men, because it's been a long time since
I've like even thought about the festival, to be honest
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with you, and it's kind of interesting with how massive
this festival is. I mean, it is like it's truly
a city at this point. Like it is, it is
a full fledged city. It has a full fledged city
plan to it with leaders and construction and the whole
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infrastructure that's temporary infrastructure, but is very planned out. But
this one person comments, one big criticism of Burning Man
that I don't here discussed enough is how artificial it is.
For the week long event, it is leave no trace
as soon as possible, but as soon as people leave
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black Rock City, it's a free for all to see
who can leave the biggest mess in the surrounding communities.
I've seen places have to hire guards to stop burners
from dumping their trash and leaving the local property owner
to clean it up. My husband used to work at
a U haul in sparks Nevada and Burners would routinely
leave return their trucks, which technically weren't supposed to be
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taken to Burning Man in the first place according to
their rental contract, completely full of one time with trash
that was literally a smoldering fire. For the week long event,
it was about radical inclusistivity, But as soon as participants
leave and go home, they still are the type of
people who show up to town hall meetings to oppose
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affordable housing being built in their communities. For locals in
northern Nevada, the event has become the one week a
year that wealthy Silicon Valley types can come in coseplay
as egalitarian and eco friendly people before making a mess
and going right back to what they were doing before
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Burning Man so full of confidence that because they pretended
for a week, they don't have to care about the
next fifty one weeks of the year. It's a shame
because a lot of us who have lived here our
whole lives remember when it truly was a place for
people who believed in the mission and the vision of
Burning Man, who used the event as a way to
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experiment on how they could apply values and will go
home genuinely changed by the experience and try to do better.
It would be great if we could get back to
that again. It's like kind of a crazy comment. It
actually is kind of like a lower comment on the thing,
but I feel like.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's a very well thought out comment.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, it's like kind of sums up a very true
point of Burning Man. And what's funny is this is
on the video of Demi Lee, who's a architect YouTuber
who kind of breaks down architecture, and she broke down
Burning Man as a city and like how it's planned,
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how it's put on, and she said, I mean it's
like foreshadowing. It's like she's like, yeah, shit happens a
lot and people die and it's crazy and this thing
really shouldn't exist, but here it is, you know, And
like that's kind of that's kind of what I think,
like going back to when you're just like when we
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were kind of joking on like people being like, you know,
they could be in the middle of a war zone,
right and they'd still see the good.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I do think that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That is kind of the whole point of Burning Man, right,
is to be in this uninhabitable place in it's but
it's kind of like it's defiance. But isn't the whole
point of being like conscious of like how wasteful we
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are to to kind of go with mother nature a bit,
not to like not just to like be like, oh,
we can triumph over it. Because that's kind of the
vibe I get from Burning Man. I don't really, I
don't know, there's.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
No yeah, it's it's definitely feels like contrarian too. It's
a lot of its values and maybe it's just because
it's so big now, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Which a lot of old burners talk about talk about
that and how they're kind of they're feeling down about it.
There's one guy that was in another video who was
being interviewed during the mud Crisis that basically was saying
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how this was kind of going hearkening back to the
early days of like only like two hundred people like
hunker together and like you're really getting to know each
other and you're like caring for each other. And that
is one thing about Burning Man is like you're supposed
to barter, you're supposed to like trade for food, water supplies, whatever.
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But now it's like people are saying, like, oh, when
people are in crisis or need help during this, people
help out. On the contrary to that, I saw other
videos of people trying to flee even though they were
but they were told not to specifically because they would
fuck up the roads.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And yeah, those people don't care.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So it's I feel like the biggest lesson out of
this is that humans can be shitty and good ultimately.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean, it's just like straight being hypocritical, you know
what I mean. Yeah, And I think it's interesting because
one of the other tenants of Burning Man, one of
the ten Burning Man tenants, So the ten principles is gifting.
The act of giving gifts. The value of gift is unconditional,
which you know, if you're just gonna mess up with
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somebody else can to get out, you know, you're weaving
no trace is another one. It just is all contradictory intimacy. Intimacy,
Oh yeah, you're really intimate with all seventy thousand other people.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
How to be there? Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's like, I feel like Coachella people, you Coachella as
the influencer festival, but I actually think Burning Man is
like the most the Burning.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Man is well, the thing about Burning Man is like
it's it's innately because it's separated from music, it has
to focus on something else that's just not a you know,
music based thing. So they hit all these experiences. But
it is kind of amazing, Like when you go to
the website and I'm reading it right now, like the
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lack of information, Like it feels like I'm sitting there
being like, hello, what does this mean? You know what
I mean, like what is going on? You know? And
I get it's like supposed to be kind of the
allure and the mystery of basically it, but it's it's
really funny and also I just think it's very strange,
like and also really funny to me that the phrase
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for people that go to the festival are burners, which
is exactly what I would describe burning man, Like it
just is burning everything in its path, right, Yeah, it's
just burning the environment that it sits on, it's burning
the communities it's around. It's literally just burning. And like
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people are hype for burning, but they're not hype for
you know, they just leave when there's the repercussions, you know,
there's they leave when there's just the ash that's left
there at the end of the day. So I just
find it really ironic that it they're burners, you know
what I mean? Because I know they burn the giant
burning man thing in the middle or whatever, but like
apparently this year also, which I thought was like really
(33:40):
funny to me. It's like if you I don't know,
I don't know what you guys believe. You know, you
can believe anything, but if you really wanted an ultimate
universal this is a bad idea. If the point of
your festival is to burn something and the world in
the in the sky above decides to go no and
press rain water down onto the thing you're supposed to burn,
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I don't know what you believe, but that might be
a sign, you know what I mean that we should
not be doing this. Yeah, they had to apparently delay
doing that for two days. I don't think they burned
it into like Monday night.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
They did burn it. Thought, yeah, they did burn it.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But it was like, you know, it's almost like a
metaphor for the whole thing. Yeah, it's where it's like
we're just gonna keep doing it even though we're not
supposed to, even though everything's stopping us from doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I was having a really interesting conversation with a family
member about just what to do with the environment, and like,
you know, how people should feel about it because it's
we were talking about how like the narrative, right is like, Oh,
each individual person, it's your responsibility to recycle. It's your responsibility. Meanwhile,
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mega corporation are like pollute, like pumping trillions of gallons
of whatever into the ocean of oil or garbage or
you know, like your your little Starbucks cup that you
recycle might not offset the insane amount of waste coming
from these mega corporations. But we were talking about like
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the aftermath, right of like what what does like earth
look like when you know, global warming eventually takes over
I mean literal yeah, but like what what does that
look like? And like their their hypothesis was like, well,
it's gonna be a lot of lower income communities and
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people that are going to suffer the most because it's
like they don't have shelter, they don't have the supplies
or money to get them from point A to point B.
Most of the earth is just going to be uninhabitable
for people living outside, Right, you have to have some
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form of shelter. And what I think as well, kind
of hopping on that idea is like it kind of
shows that like things, I feel like capitalism is really
going to like have a heyday honestly during the end
of the world, because it's gonna we're gonna start seeing
things that are gonna be shockingly expensive that we're not
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expensive before, right, like air conditioning units or transportation or
electricity or whatever, like all of those things are gonna
start hiking up in price. But the main thing is
that whereas a lot of like middle to low income
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people are like rightfully afraid of what the environment has
in store for us, a lot of these rich people
don't care because it doesn't matter to them. They'll be
able to fly their jet wherever, whenever. And that's something
(37:14):
that like I don't know. I mean, obviously we don't
know what's truly gonna happen if we tip tip over
that threshold. But that's something like that is kind of
it's kind of the same thing that they're doing here,
right They don't they truly don't care about it. It's
just the narrative. It's just the it's the look of
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what they're doing is all they all they care about.
Like every every company is trying to go green the
green wash. Burning Man is green washing to its core
pretty much.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think it's literally epitome of like, oh, wash away
all your you know, wash away all your sins. Wash it,
and you're like, maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we shouldn't or
burn really is what it should be. It's like maybe
we shouldn't. So, yeah, it'll it'll be interesting. Joe and
I have already bought our tickets for next year so
we can.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
We're gonna we're gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
From Burning Man.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What if we were like be like, guys, this fucking sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Hey guys, uh, here we are in Burning Man. It's
hot as balls. It's so offered me Stock in his
new company.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Hey guys, what going on?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Just every every podcast. Three hundred and sixty one days,
still Burning Man, three hundred and fifty five days, still burning.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
A question I've I've been pondering in my own mind.
Do you think Silicon Valley is dead or even Silicon
Valley anymore?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
They're at Burning Man.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So I mean, I mean fair, but I mean like
even bad time to the I mean the state of
social media and like a lot of these tech companies.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's pretty bleak looking at the moment.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You really want to get into this.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now you want to get to it?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Hey, all right, hand business talk goes hand in hand, Colin,
after this, we're gonna burn our desks.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
We're just gonna burn the freaking Q two Q three reports.
I mean, I don't think it is. I think it's
changed a lot. I think that.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because I think, do you think it's like as important
of a hub as it was in the past.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I would say due to the rise of especially the
workforce being online and globalization, it doesn't have to be
as centralized anymore. If we're actually talking about Silicon Valley
and where it's located and everything. But at the same time,
we're seeing a lot of different tech companies now folding
(40:10):
on their oh you just work from home. They're like
Amazon's making people work, or they're you know, like literally
threatening people to move states, you know, to keep their job,
and people are just quitting. And then there was a
you know, other companies like Meta's doing it and x
is doing it where it's like, oh yeah, now you
have to come into the office, and there's kind of this.
(40:33):
So I think they're trying to kind of force that
back in that like real Silicon Valley campus experience to
kind of show their power to their employees but also
the world. But I think it's kind of shifted because
it used to be very much this kind of branching
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path of you know, oh the Internet and what it brings,
and now it's just towards AI, you know, and AI
is just kind of extremely globalized and doesn't again because
of the way that we do work now doesn't have
to be centrally located somewhere where you have to be
three feet away from the server to access it. So
(41:17):
I think it's I think it's a tough question to answer.
I mean, I do think Silicon Valley in terms of
the companies still exists, but I think it's rapidly changing
to be more towards that kind of you know, AI
kind of side where it's not the traditional Silicon Valley
that we're used to, where a Google, for instance, is
(41:37):
just going to throw up a jillion dollars at whatever
it wants to. Now Google is just like, oh, well,
just only do AI. That's all we're gonna throw money at.
Forget the Google Glass, forget the Google games, forget it
you know what I mean. But what about you? What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think the infrastructure itself has been shifting,
and I think a lot of that has to do
with many factors, want that being the pandemic, right right.
I also think, like what's funny is a lot of
them are going to Phoenix, Arizona, which I think is
it's kind of hilarious because it's like servers need to
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be cool, but they're going to a middle the middle of.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
A desert and needs to be dry.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly, But they're they're shifting towards like
a lot of these companies are shifting towards those like
more expansive parts of the US because of the amount
of space to add more servers, but also because the
land itself is so much cheaper, which I think is
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is very interesting and also too like a lot of
the states are incentivizing those companies to come out for
like tax cuts and like all that other stuff, which
we'll see what happens if social media dies in the
next five years. But yeah, I think, like I don't know,
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you know, I guess it's the trillion dollar question, right
of what's the next where's the next Silicon Valley. Maybe
it's not even in the US, which you know it's Yeah,
I mean it's weird that we have to say that,
but you know, US supremacy pretty much has existed on
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the Internet, so it's it's a new world for sure.
And I do think AI is going to like we're
kind of in the like the supersonic speed speed run
of Internet at this point, because I feel like AI
is just going to like shoot technology left and right.
(43:47):
Like I feel like technology is just going to get
more and more insane in such a faster rate with
how a lot of these companies and tech giants are
going to use it. But I also think there's gonna
be a lot of shifts, uh and a lot of
fold up. I think companies, even big companies, are not
(44:09):
going to know what to do and they'll probably go
out of business. Well, speaking of seeing Colin, what about hearing?
What have you been listening to?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I thought it was just gonna hold that until I
find the thing I'm loading up on my YouTube music
let me see. Well, I have to say I've been
playing the slowed and reverb Margeritaville more for Jimmy Buffett
since he's gone out.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'm actually gonna have a margarita after this.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm not kidding. I'm gonna do it for Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah. I don't know why. At work it's become my
song is I I like to play really stupid music
on Fridays, And the thing I've been playing is slowed
reverb Margaritaville for a couple of weeks. And instead of
like the instead of the ding ding ding ding, it's
like ding ding ding ding ding ding ding d d
doing ding ding ding ding d I like zibbing on
(45:19):
sponge Kick anyway, but like literally that's what it's like.
And all my coworker, like one of my co workers
texted me when it said that Jimmy Buffett had passed away.
He goes, I'm implementing a new policy where we just
played sload and reverb uh Margaritaville every day for Jimmy
(45:39):
and uh yeah, man, jim Buffett. I wasn't It was
really weird. Before he died. I was like randomly listening
to Jimmy Buffett like I was just like one of
listenings that changes in latitudes, changes and attitudes. I was
just sitting up there in our kind of speaker department
working on stuff, and I was like, then like two
days later on the Friday, he like passed away, and
I was like, damn, what a weird Like I like
(46:00):
it was weird. It was like the I was just
beckoned to that, but no, I was listening to some
Jimmy Buffett and it holds up pretty well. And Jimmy,
I mean, is definitely one of the most interesting musicians
from a music business angle, just because he really took
(46:22):
a career that would have been just a regular level
career and skyrocketed it into a billion dollar business and branding.
And I think that, you know, with Jimmy Buffett gone now,
it's it's really amazing to kind of look at his
life and be like, wow, this guy took like what
(46:43):
could have been just like his one hit Wonder song
and like, you know, like one other song that was
kind of a hit, and he made that into a
household name by keeping the branding, doing all this stuff,
being a household name and just being a business having
so much business acumen. It's really amazing to see. So,
I mean, you know that Joe's poortn went out for
(47:04):
Jimmy Buffett tonight and also he did have to go
on a three day weekend, didn't he. Like, That's the
most Jimmy Buffett thing ever is that he left on
Labor Day. He left on like he left on the holiday.
That is explicitly for not working. It's not like when
we're in remember like remembrance for Yeah, isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Also side note, I was listening to Saday and I
was just.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
He was like, this is the best.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, uh fun fun. Fact his other really hit song
come Monday, which is like his first hit song. He
has a line in it and he goes getting ready
for the Labor Day show and it's like, what anyway
more Jimmy Buffett facts On the next episode, Joe, when
we listening, what do you want to listen to?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I've been listening to Katie Kirby's newest release, Cubic Zirconia,
which is really sick song. I've also been listening to
the new Angie McMahon singles. One is Letting Go, which
is a great song. Honestly, like every song coming out
(48:21):
for this project is just incredible. Really excited about the
rest of the record coming out as well and then
kind of as like an artist that not many people
know about, but a project called a Beacon School came
(48:41):
out with an EP recently. It's the first release in
like since twenty eighteen, which is actually that's not true.
They had twenty twenty two, but like the project's like
coming back to life sincewy nineteen, twenty eighteen, and I
don't know. It's like it's it's a project that's like
(49:03):
really gotten in my head like a lot that it
just has like a ton of songs that are really interesting.
It's kind of like it's kind of like experimental. It's
almost like math rock. But then it's like, uh, it
has like a bit of like a house beat to it.
So I don't know, it's like it's hard to explain.
(49:25):
It's so it's very different than anything else I've really
listened to. And it's got like a little bit of
like an emo vocal on the top, but very very sick. Yeah,
super emo emo for Elma Burning Man. I you know,
I was gonna say Elmo too, but it didn't. And
(49:48):
now I'm now now I hate myself and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Go Almo's gonna help you work.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I'm gonna have the smart I'm gonna out for Jimmy,
born off Jimmy and Burning Mam.
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