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Speaker 1 (00:01):
TikTok ban in the state of Montana. Is the federal
government next? And more updates from last week. Joe, you're
listening to the biz Tape. Welcome to the Biz Tape.
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You're all things music, business and media podcasts. I'm your host,
Colin McKay with my lovely host cos to Coast, Joseph Wazeleski. Joe,
how are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I am addicted to the new Zelda game is how
we're doing?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
God all right? Well, now that I thought we could
get one week, I thought we're not talking about this anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No, we have to talk about it. Honestly, I we
could have gone full game remote.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You are talking to the person that would love to
talk about it, but I am defending the people that
I don't want to talk about. We're not talking about
it anyway. Well other than that, everyone seems to be
dying of heat basically wherever I talked to And you
know my house is no ac So I sacrificed for
(01:16):
the podcast because I have a little window in it, and.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I turned it just a fire yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh at the crazy memorial place that you told us
about a couple.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Of weaponds, No, I you know that if there was
a fire, it would be there. But it wasn't yesterday
as the day before. But I was driving and this
was in the middle of town and I just looked over.
I was I met a mutual friend of ours for
brunch huhuh. And then I was like driving out of
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it and I saw this like billowing smoke, and I
was like, what's going on over there? And I was
like literally like two streets over. So I was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna go check it out
and see like people are okay, and like, what's what's
kind of going on? And I pulled up and someone's
front yard was completely on fire, sick in the middle.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Of LS Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And it's like so hot and it's like very dry,
and it's just like getting bigger. And I was like,
oh shit, and there's like two guys like walking around
and luckily people called nine one one, but I think
it took a took a hot minute for the fire
department to get there. You know, hopefully nobody's hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's a real difference between Nashville and LA because the
real difference show is that here in Nashville, a bachelor
Rett would have caused that fire.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I'm not saying a bachelorette party didn't cause that fire, but.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
We have a higher percentage here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It is true. Yeah, you know, if push comes to shove,
like I feel like bachelorette parties could just overtake Nashville
in general absolutely to the ground if they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah. Luckily that hasn't happened yet, but who knows the
future Once those once those Broadway bar is closed down
for good.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I get yeah, then what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
These places are gonna be making money until we're long dead,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's gonna be What's funny too,
is like the rest of Nashville is gonna build up.
It's gonna be like bank buildings. I mean it's kind
of already like that, but it's like it's gonna build
out more like taller buildings. But then Broadway is still
gonna be like the same, like decrept gross bar.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, I wouldn't say that because it's it's very it's
it's very uh soul list in a lot of parts.
So there's a lot of it that just has like
this corporate vibe where it's like you're walking to a
hockey TNK that also feels like a mid size yeah,
like in Chili's. Yeah, perfect it. They'll all be like
Margaritaville's next to each other.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Every every Nashville Broadway bar is like a Chili's bar,
but with different lighting and.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's somehow more expensive. Anyway, But the point is is, uh,
let's move on away from that anyway, Let's go completely
between the two of us, closer to you than it
is to me, and let's talk about our first story.
I am fanning myself if you hear that in the microphone,
by the way, because it is so hot near anyway.
Point is is that TikTok in Montana is gone, not
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just yet, but it will be. I kind of mentioned
this a couple episodes ago, like jokingly, but TikTok was
officially uh you know, a band was officially passed in
the state of Montana last week over national security concerns
and the use of state citizens data. Keep that in
mind for a later part in the story. I joking,
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we said at the time, I said, look out of
all the states, if there's one like out of like
you got it one out of fifty chance, right, of
being banned in a state. Right, Montana's probably up there
because it's got a lower population, right, TikTok's looking for numbers.
I mean, one point two million people live in Montana currently.
That's not nothing, but you know it's better than California
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or Texas or New York, you know what I mean.
So the point is is that I jokingly said that,
but it is a very big deal, to be honest,
which is why we're covering about it now. And in
all seriousness, Bite Dance, TikTok's parent company and TikTok themselves
are rightfully very afraid of what outcomes this could have
if other states decide to follow suit. So let me
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get into the law first, and then we'll kind of
go into like what's going on now with TikTok and
what TikTok's trying to do. So first note is that
the law has passed, but it doesn't go into effect
until twenty twenty four, So every what I immediately thought
of was the kids. I was like, kids, get your
dancing out of there. You need to just you need
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to be branching out your content to other people, you.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I heard Instagram's got the new Twitter kind of bug
coming up. We need to be branching out. But you know,
all these kids in high school I thought about, who've
been making tiktoks. That was like time to branch out
your content, brother. But it won't go in effect in
the twenty twenty four So if you're in Montana right now,
you're still allowed legally to you know, have TikTok and
do everything like that. Also important to note it's not
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like they're outlawing it like for each person, but you
know what I mean, because they're it's not like they're
gonna come up to your phone and be like, do
you have TikTok? Give me that, you know what I mean? Like,
that's that's not what's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So basically prison for having TikTok.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh, dude, Yeah, which would have been a crime, which
would have been a crime when you were on when
it was called musically. But anyway, the point is is
that the law itself is banning the app, and it
had a couple of routes of doing this, but the
way it's doing it is because it's causing huge fines
to companies that allow you to download it, and thanks
to the duopoly in the app stores that we have,
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that would be Apple and Google. So if basically, if
there's from my understanding reading it, if you are allowed
to download TikTok every day that people are allowed to
download it, the state of Montana will find Apple or
Google most likely unless you're using some weird third party
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app store ten thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Whoa, that's crazy again.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I don't even think TikTok's on any other third party
app store. I think those are probably the two. So
you uh, I mean, don't you know there's probably somebody
else who's way more nerdy than I am and an
on bad being like actually, but the point is is
that's probably who we get these fines.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
If you're wondering how question Colin Sorry, yeah, are they
called Montanaes?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I made that up, But let's see if we're gonna
call them that Montanaites? All right, Joe's reading my script
montana ice or really my outline? Would it be crazy
if like all of our banter, even from the beginning
with scripted, Oh I see the sun Joe crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Right? Many. If you're wondering how this is gonna get banned?
Like what, how would they figure out like Apple or
Google if a Montanaite is downloading this app, or like
how can they like sequester basically or corner the Montanaites
to not be able to download this app. So do
many cybersecurity experts. They are kind of up in arms
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with how the hell they would do this again, they
got about six or seven months to figure this out
right now, But many wonder about how effective this band
is going to be if it eventually goes into place
in twenty twenty four, as many people already have it
on their phone, right and so like that's kind of
like already happening. Although the app will you know, slowly
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go out of date hypothetically right because it wouldn't get
updates from the app store. What's to say? So it's
still not like a you know, on the clock ticks
and you know, TikTok is over and twenty twenty four.
But that's one issue. The other issue is is, like,
how are they going to cordon off like this state
from downloading it. Some ideas that have been floated around
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are a little bit it's a large brush for a
very small problem that could basically affect other users that
aren't in Montana The ideas are you could ban the
IP addresses that show up in Montana, which has a
lot of problems because if you've ever owned a VPN before,
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guess what people do. They pretend like they're in another place.
So you could probably get around with it with a VPN.
The other thing that I was going to say is
that IP addresses are not the greatest at exactly pointing
where you are. So if you're kind of like around
the edge of Montana, if they decided to IP ban it,
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you could be banned like Google. You know, maybe you're
like two or three miles from some border of Montana,
and Montana's a big state. You could be like ip
band even though you're not in Montana and have to
be like, hello, I'm not in Montana, which is just
annoying to consumers. The other thing is is that they
said that they could go by you know, Google and
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Apple obviously have a lot of transactions that they use
and stuff like that. They could go by billing addresses.
But as someone who has also not updated their banking
information sometimes in the most expedient manner, that could also
hurt some people that currently do not reside in Montana,
or maybe just have like a card that's registered to
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a Montana address. So yeah, anyway, we're gonna move past
the logistics of that. But in short, like NPR basically
hits it on the nail, experts say such a prohibition
would be riddled with loopholes and affect so many more
people than probably just Montana. Anyway, the point of that
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was to kind of say, in an odd way, the
burden of this job of like you know, quarter off
the Montana nights is on the app stores. It's not
on the people. You know, It's not like a personal
like you can't have TikTok downloaded. It's on the app stores.
And oddly enough, it's not a TikTok thing. It's not
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like TikTok has to not provided a Montana it's they're
going for the app. So it's a little bit it's
a more logistical answer if you were trying to ban TikTok, right,
But it is a little bit strange, just in like
proof of pudding of being like, wait, you're gonna ban
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TikTok by banning other things that aren't TikTok, you know
what I mean, Like you're gonna sequester these businesses and
make them do this, right, I'm acting like Apple and Google,
by the way, are like these small little mom and
pop stores, you know what I mean. It's not like
they don't have the technology to do this or even
the manpower, but it's still like a lot of extra
work for them that essentially have nothing to do with
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this argument other than providing TikTok in the app store.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But yeah, I feel like too. It's like it seems
very much the position that at least some of the
government has taken has been very much against TikTok. But
then it's like, also if it impacts Google and Apple negatively,
Like how's that going to look in a in a
lobbying environment, is kind of what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh, yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
How like they're going to be like why did you
do this? Especially if it's like a senator that is
like very much being courted by these companies or even
impacting their day to day operations in a negative way,
Whereas like the band isn't necessarily the against their practices, right,
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but it's like it's just over TikTok itself, and so
it's it is kind of interesting, like where the line
stops there over this situation from a distribution point, because
it is like, I don't know, it's it's hard to
it would be very hard to police. And then also
like you're you're saying calm like patch in the correct
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way to where it's not negatively impacting other people, to
where it's like, Okay, let's just nuke IP nuke this
whole state. But then you'll have like people that shouldn't
be impacted impacted.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and it just kind of sucks for them right
at the end of the day. And yeah, and like it.
We'll get into TikTok's argument here in a second, but
it does really abridge the rights of a bunch of
other users, you know, that are not citizens of Montana sometimes,
you know what I mean. So, yeah, I think it
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is an interesting thing. I think you brought up a
beautiful point that I didn't even think of. We may
see maybe Google and Apple, we may see Google beautiful points.
Thank god, Joe stopping my conversation. Point as always, anyway,
the point is is that Google and Apple I have
not really responded to what I've seen, but we may
see some counter leverage there, right, because it's going to
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be more difficult if you know, certain states ban it.
And that's the thing with the internet, right, is that
everything touches everything connected, so trying to disconnect it like
that is very difficult from a cybersecurity perspective.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I feel like this is almost getting into like it's
kind of reminding me of like the War on drugs
a little bit too, right, where it's like the police
tolerance it is so yeah, it's like so hard, like
where's the boundary of some of this stuff? And then
also like I guess it's not like, you know, no's
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probably nobody's going to go to prison for having TikTok
on their phone. But it's like it is a bit
of a strange, like we've never had something like this
to where it's like people have the choice of downloading
these apps onto their phone. I don't think I've ever
heard of like the government being like we're going to
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ban this whole app well before, I.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Mean, yeah, because most of the time what happens is
that the app stores ban it first, right they find
out that maybe some app is doing some illegal.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thing, right, malware or something.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, maybe it's malware. Maybe it's like selling illegal things,
you know, all that kind of stuff. So the app
stores will hear from the government or they'll catch it
before and ban it. Right, it's not this giant, you know,
state thing like you know what I mean, It's kind
of like an insane level of regulation, you know. That's
why I was saying, like it's like a broad brushstroke
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of a very like small idea of that makes sense
of banning TikTok. It seems like such a small thing,
but it really isn't at the same time, and TikTok
again does not think it's a small thing. So let's
just move right into this. TikTok is now suing the
state of Montana over this. They are suing to overturn
the rule, and hopefully, in my opinion, I think they're
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trying to do this to be precedent if other states
decide to try to ban TikTok and or the Biden
administration tries to outride ban TikTok or any other president.
Remember Trump was the original one who started down the strain.
So that that's kind of the main thing for TikTok
is that I think this is, you know, not necessarily
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a battle for Montana, but a battle for future, you
know what I mean? Like, it's more about that at
the end of the day, is stopping maybe this rolling
you know, ball from rolling down the hill even more.
Remember this too. We talked about this a while ago,
and maybe your new viewer you don't know. There's the
Data Act, which is data which is currently being looked
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at in committee in Congress right now. But that bill
is immediately going to give power to Biden to ban
TikTok over its connection to with China if that passes.
Just to think about if you're like, you know, you
work at TikTok or something like that, that's in their
minds too. You know, we we we got to be
ready for if something like that happens. And what's a
great way to be ready have President already in favor
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of us. And here's TikTok's argument. TikTok is arguing that
Montana's ban quote amounts to an illegal suppression of free speech,
tantamount to censorship. They also argue that quote and remember
what I said to the before, why was Montana banning
this over national security concerns and the use of state
citizens data, which TikTok said that quote national security threats
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raised by officials in Montana is not something that state
officials can attempt to regulate since foreign affairs in national
security matter are a federal issue. So they seem to
be kicking that one down the you know driveway basically.
And then on the issue of data again, a lot
of this is nothing has come like to the public
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eye as a red herring or with you know, like
kind of a golden example of TikTok's use of personal
data with the Chinese government. Yet there's a lot of
rumblings in the intelligence community. There's so many governments banning it.
I mean the United Biden just recently banned from government devices. Right,
There's a lot going on in the background, but there's
not this giant public we know this for a fact,
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China is using this. Everybody in the world gets to
know that this is happening, right, So they're saying that
the claims of you know, them using the data is baseless, right,
because there hasn't been anything publicly yet that said, hey,
this is happening. Right, We've only heard the intelligence community
say it, and the intelligence community hasn't published anything that
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you know, says that out right. So the point is
is that they're really trying their best here and one
thing other than maybe the Google and Apple connection. Again,
they have made no comments about what's going on with
this yet, but they're not the only ones criticizing the
state of Montana about this bill. The American Civil Liberties
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Union and digital rights advocacy groups all around are also
criticizing Montana. They say they argue that laws and pines
on americans free speech rights. They're going for a free
speech argument at the end of the day, right, and
so TikTok has got an interesting battle coming here. Again,
if you've been a regular listener of the show, I
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have talked about We talked about the Data Act a
while ago, which I previously mentioned. And the other thing
that TikTok has been doing is they have this Project
Texas thing which they are allegedly claiming is where the
United States data will be held is in Texas. It
will be you know, the most American state now. It
will be held in Texas and it will be sequestered
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off from the rest of byte edance and stuff like that.
But there's been a lot of rumblings in particularly with
the Biden administration and Congress that a lot of Congress
and the Biden administration are not going to be satisfied
until TikTok is formally sold off to an American company.
So that's kind of the big broad strokes of what's happening.
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And I think finally now we are seeing the beginnings
not just like, oh, allegedly all this kind of stuff
of a more public TikTok ban. You know, we've talked
about a lot of government agencies all that kind of stuff,
which are you know, their government agencies, but they're relatively
private in terms of like their methodology and also why
they can they can tell their employees to do that, right,
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they can tell their employees this is the device the
government owns. You cannot put that on there. But this
is a different, you know, battle, we're going into public
using of these phones. Right. So my question, Joe, and honestly,
if you can't give me an answer that's like one
way or the other, do we think that this ban
is too much of an overstep right now?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think, I mean, it's it's pretty hard to say,
honestly because of some of the evidence that we just
like don't know about yet. I would like to I
would like more insight into like what intelligence agencies are
like actually seeing but it seems like every time someone
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approaches them about that evidence, they're like, oh, well, we
can't tell you because it's you know, secret or whatever.
But it's to me, it just seems like a little
too much of an overstep. It also seems very political,
because isn't the person who brought this bill up very
much they kind of ran on an anti TikTok platform.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, as a lot of politicians now are you know, yeah,
and like it just to me it seems more of
like a flex of their power in their local government
and also.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Just kind of in some ways like very much silencing
a group of people on the Internet that are very
much have opinionated views honestly on American politics and rights
and freedoms. And I think that this is a bit
of a messy situation, that is, if it's not handled correctly,
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could be a lot of fallout for future social media
companies or social media companies already established as well.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
My my whole thing is like, we're we have so
much ultra focus on TikTok, who is suspected to be
giving information to the Chinese government, but then at the
same time, we're not banning Facebook that has been confirmed
that they get that they gave information to the Russian government.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Right, you know, and you know it's funny, it's like
meta just Meda just got that one point three billion
dollar fine from the EU for using European data.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, which I mean, we could even go into that
of like Facebook's business situation at this point, because I
feel like that company is just hemorrhaging money.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh absolutely. I think they just sold off one of
their subsidiary. I think they sold off Jiffy, if you
know what that is.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I think that they're struggling and in the worst spot
that they've ever been in in real life.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
They're doing in the metaverse.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Great, you're great in the metaverse. So much meta money
in the metaverse. But yeah, coming back to TikTok, like,
I do think I think it's an overstep, mostly because
it's just like the we just haven't seen any of
the evidence, but like, maybe this lawsuit will bring to
light some of this. However, I doubt it. I very
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much doubt that. And I think that this was purely
a political play and something that I think a lot
of people should really be paying attention to because this
is like how people are getting information. And I also
think what's interesting too, and the way you brought up
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the EU collin two is like the EU has vastly
different like data regulation laws, yeah, than we do. And
and so it's like it's it's so crazy because in
Europe it's very much They are much more on it
with data regulation from an individualistic standpoint of like you
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can go to these companies and basically be like, you
cannot use any of my data to sell to other
companies or for anything, and you get to.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Get rid of to comply with that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, they have to comply with it, because if they don't,
you can you could essentially sue them for millions of dollars.
And so with that, we have zero of that here.
And I highly suspect mostly due to the power that
social media in Silicon Valley has in America because it's
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where it started, right but now, because this is a
Chinese company taking business away from Facebook and a lot
of other companies, it's a little interesting to see some
of these laws being passed. It's just a very quick manner.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So I'll go Devil's advocate on this. I think that
there is some standing when it comes to the Chinese
connection going on with TikTok in terms of the way
that the international intelligence intelligence community has wrapped around TikTok,
you know, saying get it off of every government device,
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we don't want it here, we should consider banning it
in just regular you know life, all this kind of stuff. Obviously,
I get it. We've talked about this actually a lot,
so I'll be in short. But you know, the intelligence
community has things they cannot say out loud. I understand that,
you know what I mean, until something damming comes out
and they feel like it doesn't compromise their intelligence network, right,
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I understand, And why there is a lack of transparency there, right,
And the amount of action that has been taken against
TikTok on a governmental level across the world is something notable,
So I think there is something there. At the same time, though,
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I feel that this does warrant its own due diligence
of looking through this app and having a fair presentation
of TikTok is doing this, you know what I mean,
if we've got to a national ban, I would feel
very uncomfortable if the United States government, which is like
trust us, we know and there was nothing presented or said,
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you know, about the ban other than we know that
China and we know China's taken the data. I would
love for Biden to go this is what we know,
or someone to publish or some organization affiliated with the
intelligence community to publish something before you know, we go
out and outright ban this thing. Okay. So my issue
here mostly is I think that does warrant a conversation,
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and that does warrant some information if we go to
a national ban. On the state side, though, going a
level lower, I think that Montana's ban is just allowing
TikTok to have a potential legal precedent when that conversation
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of national banning happens. I think there is I think
this is more of giving AMMO to TikTok than it
is for a you know, win for Montana, right, And
it doesn't necessarily have to be Montana. If Tennessee did it,
if California did it, all these different states, I think,
and I agree with TikTok. I think this is a
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national issue and that maybe these states don't have the
ability to regulate it based on that, you know what
I mean. And so that's what I'm worried about here,
is that we're not doing our due diligence when it
comes to this argument. But at the same time, we
might not be able to get our due diligence with
this argument because states are passing bills like this that
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is just going to give TikTok more legal precedent. At
the same time, though, this may make enforce the United
States to try to divulge information about an intelligence concern
that maybe they would have kept close to the vest going.
TikTok has all this AMMO in the legal system. If
let's say they won against Montana, we have to say
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something publicly now, and so we could get this TikTok
banned through right if we feel like it's a national
security concern. I and that's kind of where I stand here, though,
is that I think that TikTok has in you know,
my non lawyer speak, and a pretty good case against
the state of Montana, the United States of America, the government,
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the federal government. I think they would have a very
difficult case, but I think this may lead to it
being a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
On the other end, if Montana wins, oh boy, you
know what I mean, Like this could be the AMMO
that a lot of other people who maybe didn't want to,
you know, bring about the wrath of a you know,
multimillion dollar lawsuit from TikTok in their particular state. This
may ripple across the country, you know, Like you're saying,
and we're saying, there's a lot of political candidates who
(29:27):
literally made it a point to call out TikTok by
name and say, we want them out of our you know, state,
we want them out of our country in terms of
being able to get users' data. This may be you know,
the first stone in a lot of different states having
this conversation and going Montana one, let's just do it.
(29:48):
We were afraid to do it because we thought it
would you know, ruin our career if we lost, or two,
it's going to cost the United States a bunch of
money and legal fees. Guess what if Montana one, they're
gonna have legal president then, right. I think that's a
little bit more difficult on a state by state basis, right,
But we're gonna have to see how that kind of
(30:12):
plays out. I I'm leaning towards TikTok right now, and
especially since the other you know, digital advocacy groups in
the American Civil Liberties Union are against the State of Montana,
not to be like the State of Montana doesn't have
lovely resources, But that's just a lot, you know what
I mean, for what of our you know, you know,
less populated states to deal with, right And so I
(30:37):
think that this was going to happen no matter what.
But this may be TikTok's best chance to gain, you know,
a piece of armor before maybe the giant legal battle
really begins with the federal government again. That Data Act
is still it's going through one of the few things
(30:58):
in the United States that's seems to have relatively by
part in support, you know what I mean. So I
think this could give them a piece of armor if
they win, you know what I mean. And it almost
makes me wonder should have Montana done this in the
first place? Right? And And that's kind of the thing
(31:20):
I struggle with, you know, because I could understand it
from a state and federal way, being like, well, the
federal government's not doing anything about it, We're very concerned
about it in our regular lives, so lets us do
something about it, right, I understand that, But they may
have ruined the entire conversation here. It kind of reminds
me of when they originally made the TikTok bill, like
(31:42):
to actually talk about it, and we talked about on
the show, and the original one was like in December,
and you're like, what are you doing. Congress is about
to open up, and no one's going to take this
seriously right now, Like this should be like a first
line item of the next congressional setting as opposed to
the last one that no one's going to care about,
and no one's going to vote on right now because
(32:03):
they're trying to figure out about reelection and stuff. So yeah,
I'm kind of torn about it. But at the same time, Joe,
I kind of roll with you. I do think that
I think on a state level it is possible to
do this, although the argument is weaker, right because I
think TikTok has a compelling case. I think it is
a lot. I am personally fine if a state really
(32:26):
wants to ban it themselves, right, But I think on
a federal level, this is a federal issue, and so
they may have opened a can of worms that hopefully
will come up to the federal level. I honestly I
am curious though, if this can come up to the
Supreme Court, you know what I mean, like in terms
(32:49):
of the court system, but or if Biden beats them
to it, if maybe they say they have a data
act they haven't sold to an American company, if this
data act goes through, if Biden beats them, and then
they appeal it up because that is always an option
in the United States courts system, especially when you have
enough money, is to keep hitting it upward. So yeah,
(33:11):
that's kind of my two thoughts.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Anything else, Joe, No, I think it's about it honestly, Well,
Montanans Montana Knights.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Wait, can I look up what it actually is?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah? I kind of like Montana Montana Nights because it
sounds like Mennonites.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Who live people who live in Montana. Name, Oh, people
live in Montana. Huey Lewis. That's not their name, Tom Brokaw,
that's not the name. Yeah, right, the John Lyftgoes of Montana.
Al Right, I can't figure it out, all right, lift
Goes Lyft Goes. I like that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well. On a depressing note, we're gonna touch on the
Jimmy Allen stuff again this episode. So if you are
triggered with anything in regards to sexual assault, feel free
to tune out at this point, but there is a
lot to update because a lot came out after our
(34:21):
previous episode, So just to refresh everyone on what happened.
Jimmy Allen's former day to day manager, filed a civil
suit against him for sexual assault and rape, and Alan
did not say. Alan did say that the two of
them had a consensual relationship that lasted about two years,
(34:42):
while he also had a wife and two kids, with
a kid on the way as well. Since the last episode,
Alan has publicly apologized to his wife, who is divorcing him,
in an IG post, categorizing the situation as a quote
a fair state quote. I want to publicly apologize to
my wife, Alexis, for humiliating her with my affair. And
(35:07):
I just want to be honest. I don't think she's
the one humiliated in this situation. I'd actually argue Alan
is because basically every organization that has been working with
him has dropped him.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well, yeah, I mean it's a yeah, but you know
it's it's humiliating.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, to her. I just I feel like the wording
there it's a bit not great. Anyway, He continues, quote,
I'm embarrassed that my choices have brought shame on her.
That's something she did not deserve at all. I also
want to apologize to my children for being a poor
example of a man in a father. He did not
(35:47):
touch on the seriousness of these allegations in the in
the statement, but said that his involvement with the Jane
Doe were quote temptations that he couldn't quote with state
and as a quote victim of his weakness. So quote,
this business takes so much from you. It's full of
temptations that can cripple you and ruin everything you've built.
(36:12):
I'm ashamed of what I'm ashamed that I wasn't strong
enough to withstand them. I will no longer be a
victim of my weakness, he ended, saying, quote, I challenge
everyone to seek help when they need it. Do not
be afraid of your weakness. Surround yourself with people that
will help you, and signed off with be blessed. He
(36:32):
did state for Variety when the first article came out
that quote I acknowledged that we had a sexual relationship,
one that lasted for nearly two years. During that time,
she never once accused me of any wrongdoing, and she
spoke of our relationship and friendship as being something she
wanted to continue indefinitely. Only after things ended between us
(36:53):
did she hire a lawyer to reach out and ask
for money, which leads me to question her motives. Allen
also took to IG's story and posted some very strange
messages such as quote we are going to be all right,
this too shall pass, followed by a screenshot of a
song by for King and Country, which is a Christian group,
(37:15):
with the message that he wrote saying God only knows
he knows. Last week, we talked about how the industry
has kind of been shutting him down a bit, at
least for a suspension period, but since then the Country
Music Association has removed him from the CMA music fests.
(37:35):
He's also had a ton of sponsorships drop him as well,
and his whole tour has been canceled. His former manager
and producer, Ash Bowers, who worked overhead the Jane Doe
So her boss, filed a civil lawsuit May eleventh in
US District Court of Tennessee, where he assued Allan for
(37:57):
sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment, sex trafficking, and emotional distress,
and Bowers and Wide Open Music were additionally sued for
gross negligence and participating in a venture engaging in sex trafficking,
among other counts. So it seems like in this situation,
(38:19):
everyone's suing everybody, is kind of what's happening. The amount
of things that Bowers seems to be suing Alan for
is quite shocking.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
So let me let me get say three. So Bowers
is suing Allan for which is Bowers is wait, let
me get this right. So Bowers is suing Allan, who
is his and Bowers was his manager and his producer
and the you know, kind of overhead of this Jane
Doe that's also firing a lawsuit, right, and he's suing
Allan for sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment, sex trafficking, and
(38:56):
emotional distress, while Bowers wide Open Music were additionally sued
by who fucking uh Allen or like Jane Doe, Bowers.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Is being sued by Jane Doe.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Okay, but Bowers and Wide Open Music were additionally sued
by Jane Doe for gross negligence and participating in adventure
engaging in self trafficking, among other counts.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Let me here, let me read the actual variety paragraph,
which describes this quote in the civil lawsuit against Allan,
his former manager, producer Ash Bowers, and Wide Open Music,
filed May eleventh with the United States District Court of Tennessee.
Allen was sued for sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment, sex trafficking,
and emotional distress. Bowers and Wide Open Music were additionally
(39:45):
sued for gross negligence and participating in a venture engaged
in sex trafficking, among other counts.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Got it Okay, So that was from Variety.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It is kind of confusing in that situation of like,
is it the Jane Doe suing them for all this
or is it he's suing Allan? But I reread it
a couple of times and it seems like Ash is
suing Allan, yeah, for this situation, and it seems like
Jane Doe is suing the business.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Okay, God is kind of what I yeah, I mean
that's what we're reading from Variety. So that's what that's
what we got in terms of you know, reporting so far.
I mean, this is a messy situation, so it kind
of it gets pretty rough from a reporting angle, right, So, yeah,
what else is going on here? Joe?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, I mean it's Basically, it seems like everybody's suing everybody.
It's very messy. It's getting a lot of national attention.
Variety goes on to describe the Jane Doe's educational work history,
which we will not be going into, and in my opinion,
(40:55):
probably they should not have published because it the business
is small and I feel like people could figure out
who this person.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is, yeah, and they did not.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Want to be known. So I don't really understand why
Variety decided to do that. But the article did describe
how the ties between Doe and the management company ended,
stating quote, Doe says she was fired by Bowers in
retaliation after bringing an alleged pattern of sexual assault that
she says went on for a year and a half
(41:27):
to the manager's attention. Bauer says she was let go
because there was no longer a role for her at
the company quietly severed ties with Alan after she discussed
what was happening with the manager last fall. So it
does seem a little sketchy the timing of the let
(41:48):
go right of what's happening. So I'm interested to see
what happens there in the lawsuit. I have a feeling
Doe has a very strong argument against this company. It. Yeah, honestly,
I was telling Colin this because I texted him this
(42:09):
article when it broke. It is kind of concerning the
amount of things being thrown in here, especially with what's
being quoted as what Alan has done, and it almost
seems like the management company was very very much like
aware of what's happening, yeah, based on Jane don and refused, yeah,
(42:32):
refused to do anything about it. Which if that's the case,
it's absolutely gross and horrible. Yeah, I'm wondering. I'm wondering too,
like the the behind the scenes of even working with
this company.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Right, based on Jane Doe's you know, allegations here, you know,
with these allegations, you know, just reading what Jane Doe
is like put together in this lawsuit, it's horrifying, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
What I mean, truly horrifying. Also red flag if your
manager is also your producer, just gonna be Yeah. But
the lawsuit is very graphic, as it states that Alan
raped Jane Doe while choking her, sexually abused her at
red lights when she drove him to and from business events,
(43:24):
and looked at porn on her work computer. She also
says that she lost her virginity to the artist after unaccountability,
like after blacking out while they were together, and Jane
Doe told Variety that she said no and tried to
push Alan away. During multiple sexual encounters and after she
(43:45):
had been allegedly coursed to have sex with Alan, she
would regularly bleed, apparently cry uncontrollably, and run to the
bathroom to vomit. And despite these signs, she says, Alan
failed to acknowledge her physical and emotional pain.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Alan apparently also videotaped multiple sexual encounters to Quote to
blackmail her to stay silent, according to the suit, and
insisted that Jane Doe surrender her phone and other electronics
while they were together. Jane Doe stated quote, I have
to tell the story because there's no way I would
let my daughter near a situation like this. My life
(44:26):
has been turned inside out because of Jimmy Allen, and
Alan's wife posted a statement saying, quote, continue the chaos
while I hear heal in peace. My Instagram isn't a helpline,
so please stop messaging me about any third part third parties,
but a screenshot emerged that was reported to be deleted
(44:49):
on her Instagram when she stated, quote, imagine being a
woman who is so fucked up mentally, emotionally and pursues
a man who is married to three with three children
and a pregnant wife. Imagine I could never adding y'all
can kiss my ass with the estrange wife narrative. I
really wish I was only talking about one female. So
(45:14):
very messy, and I know that this is very much
like an e news situation that like ultimately we wouldn't
cover usually. But the problem with this that I have
strong feelings about is like this kind of stuff still
(45:35):
continues in the music world and entertainment world, and it's
very very important. Even what's truly horrifying is that these
people know what they're doing is wrong because after me
too and everything, everybody knows the rules right and the boundaries,
(46:00):
and when you're being a shitty.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Persons before me too, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, exactly, and that's that's But now it's like very
much like very present, right, everyone is educated on what's happening,
and so this kind of stuff is very present. And
what worries me and I'm just gonna be blamingly honest here.
(46:25):
What worries me a bit. Is I think a lot
of country acts hide behind God and behind a lot
of this good old boy energy where it's like them
being the most horrible humans ever, and their audience is
(46:45):
just essentially ignore it because there they just see the
front facing view. That's a very stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
It's a very country thing, and you know they're Every
genre has their own kind of sad to say, like,
you know, immediate kind of tropes when it comes to
public relations, when it comes to specifically allegations of these
severe sexual encounters. Right, if you go to like rock
(47:16):
and roll, it's like, oh, you know, we were just
having fun. We were on drugs. You know, everybody was
having a good time, you know what I mean, Like
it was the seventy and you're like no, no, noah, right,
like that's that one, or being.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Like off cough l right.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Oh yeah, throw that in there, Eagles, any of those. Anyway,
The point is it's like it's it's sad how much
like literally genre by genre, Like I could go excuse
by excuse, you know, and go through all this kind
of stuff, you know what I mean, when it comes
to allegations of sexual assault or battery and any of
(47:52):
that kind of stuff. They all kind of have weirdly
genre wise, have weirdly same scripts. Right, you go to
like pop pumpk community, the allegations are always like I
didn't know how old they were. They never told me,
you know what I mean, We just talked online and
we never did.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
It's weird. The stories repeat themselves over and over and over,
which is why they're important and not to be like
that story could not exist in country music. That story
cannot exist in rock and roll, It couldn't exist in
rap music. The point is is that it's so sadly
cyclical that there are allegations like that all around that
have a lot of merit. Obviously, you know. The thing
(48:30):
with this is the graphic nature of this lawsuit is
so abhorrent. It just makes me feel, you know, such
sadness for this Jane Doe since obviously you know, she
she's predicad, She's predicated this lawsuit. She feels very strongly
about this, right, so I feel such sadness, you know,
(48:53):
based on her allegations, right, and like what she has
gone through and what she alleges she's gone through, you know,
and like it's just the worst part about it the
entire time is I keep thinking it's so familiar, you
know what I mean. Like, that's the thing about it.
It feels like a story I've heard before. And that's
like the worst part about the whole thing going going
to like you know, this situation specifically as opposed to
(49:18):
just the general you know, lack of responsibility when it
comes to these situations and music, like basically Jimmy's I one.
I am shocked that Jimmy made any response at all, Like, yeah,
I don't know if he was. I'm shocked. I am shocked.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I think he decided to just throw that out there
without concern.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
If he you know, if he believes this is the
truth and all that kind of stuff, that's fine. But
I'm just shocked from a you know, standpoint of this
going on, that he would make such a statement that
feels so uncalculated, right, Like the only time think about
other situations, maybe you guys have heard that or this
(50:08):
level of severity. Usually it's almost a overly cold statement
about the situation, right, And a lot of times that's
to protect their clients from having any of this use
against them in court. But this is such a like
personal statement that he gave and you know, he might
personally feel like this, you know what I mean, But
(50:29):
at the same time, it's just unorthodox, right, and it's
definitely not going to help him in any way. He's
not going to gain anybody from this statement, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Like, well, and Colin, you brought up the point too.
It was like, so weird to make a statement towards
your wife in a public forum like this.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Oh, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have brought. I wouldn't
have brought you know, like if if someone you know,
if you had this accuse, you know, nature going on
in this entire accusation and this alleged things are happening,
all this stuff bringing someone else into.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It, mentioning yeah, my name, like the whole not also
saying that how she was like ashamed. But it's like
he did the actions, and it's like, I don't know.
It's like I could read it as a couple of
different ways. I could read it like, yeah, maybe he
(51:29):
felt bad, but then also I could read it as, oh,
he's like digging at her for leaving.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, and based and just based on based on the reporting, right,
based on the reporting and the allegations that I have here,
this is going to be an extremely difficult case for
every party involved, right, So to make someone even more
in the forefront of it is a very, like I said,
(51:57):
uncalculated move, right, And I think that this is going
to be, you know, a case that will really tear
apart a lot of people that are around this entire community. Right.
Who's worked with Jimmy Allen, their family, you know what
(52:18):
I mean, Jane Doe, who Jane Joe's work with, their family,
the management company, who the management company deals with, his
record label, the touring company, like everybody associated with him
now has to deal with this, right, like, in some way,
shape or form it, regardless if they were you know,
responsible for any of it or whatever. Right, And so
(52:40):
that that's kind of the thing with this is that like,
this is going to cause so much turmoil to everyone
involved based on these actions, you know, and you know
of this lawsuit, right, So it's not a bad move
in any way to try to be overtly you know,
(53:04):
I'm anonymous, right, like Jane Doe here, there's a reason
that they're going by Jane Doe, right, There's a reason, right,
And so this is That's why that whole statement is
really strange to me. And so I do think that
it may be maybe that statement was shot a little
(53:25):
bit close from the heart, you know, a little bit
too fast or something like that. But like, yeah, I
don't think that statement did him any good in any way,
no matter what you believe. No, right, and so yeah,
again the music industry, rightfully, so we have to bring
it up, you said in the right way. This suspension period, right,
(53:50):
this really needs to be examined by the courts very
much so. And there have been allegation and terrible things
about artists since artistry have been created, right, and so
the suspension period idea is very not unfamiliar, the idea
of like literally, we are putting you on the bench.
(54:10):
We'll see what happens if people still like you afterwards, right,
And it's amazing to me to watch. And again, there's
so many different sides of the industry. You have your label,
you have your promoter, you have your management, you have
all these people, and the difference of response of wait
a second, we're going to do our due diligence here
(54:33):
and wait and then there's some people that I go,
come on off the bench, you know what I mean,
and it's you will see. It's amazing the difference that's
going on. I mean, like not in the same level
severity at all, but other controversies, right, Like we talked
about Morgan on right originally when that all went down, right,
(54:53):
think about that is such a different level of severity
in terms of you know, what's going on. But at
the same time, think about the companies that were around
it and him today, think about the companies that were, uh,
I don't want to deal with you anymore. We've lost
you forever, and the other companies are like, come on back,
you know what I mean, we put you on suspension.
(55:14):
And that's what's interesting to watch. So other than the
case outcome itself is I would be very if you
know you're around any of these spheres, right, I would
be very cognizant of what on top of, like you know,
the outcome of the case itself and how it's conducted,
How these companies conduct themselves when it comes to the
(55:36):
suspension period. You'd be amazed how some of them will
come triumphantly, some of them will hide it openly, some
of them, you know what I mean. There are different
things that go on with controversy like this, and that,
honestly is one of the weirdest things in the music
business to watch, is the kind of that political tiptoe
that happens here in these levels of severity of cases. Right,
(56:00):
I don't know about you, Joe, what else do you think?
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I mean I think that it is it always sucks.
I feel like we always say this, but it's it's
like you have to wait for the case essentially. But
I don't know. I I'm leaning towards it's not looking great,
that's for sure. It's not looking.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Great based on the allegations already been.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Confirmed that there's evidence there's that there's that they had
a relationship he admitted, you know, and it's like it
just it looks horrible for the management company as well.
And if that did happen, of them firing that manager
because of the situation, then they should be sued into
(56:46):
the ground and not able to practice anymore.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, there's nothing like the the level of severity and
also specificity that is in the reporting for Variety and
the allegations is you know, nothing will come positive from
this at all.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
This would be it would be I feel like in
like I don't know. Maybe I'm blowing smoke a little
bit here, but it I would say variety is pretty
resourceful on their reporting and unless there was, you know,
it seems it was pretty it's pretty due diligent, like
(57:25):
a lot of this. I you know, at the end of.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
The day, it's like I said before, and that that's
the thing. It's you know, some some people are like, oh,
it's cause these cases and everything, you have to be
extremely careful. At the end of the day, I still
hold my same thing. Or it's like I would like
justice to be done, you know, and sadly the United
States legal system is not always justice will be done.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I want this to be thoroughly investigated. I am, you know,
glad that is coming under fire just and so we
can have an investigation around it, right, that these things
can be examined, because the level of severity about it
is something that, you know, something that needs to just
be examined at the end of the day, right, not
(58:07):
necessarily oh is it guilty or neck. It needs to
be examined no matter what. So you know, if anything
close to these allegations are true, it needed to be
examined years ago. You know what I mean it needed
to be looked at at the company wide, you know
what I mean, like it needed if any of these
allegations are true, right, and so I you know, I
(58:30):
hate it too, but we we innately have to you know,
be cognizant of that this is based on the reporting
that we have Now. There may be more things that
come up later, right, and you can again feel free
at home. You can make your own you know, predications
right now and all that kind of stuff. But at
the end of the day, we are just going to
(58:52):
have to see how this goes. And the worst part
is is that we live, you know, in a court
system that is not very at all equitable. So I uh, yeah,
and and and so I hope that this gets fully investigated.
I hope that you know, no stone is left unturned.
(59:13):
I hope that maybe this even leads to other investigations
that need to go through and everything. And yeah, I
do you know at the end of the day that
that's the that's the thing about it. I think the
moves here again at the end of the day, are
very peculiar from Alan's perspective. Whatever you think about it,
just to do it. If you think in the if you,
(59:35):
you know, whatever you think about it, Like, it's one
of the weirdest moves I've seen, right, it feels very uncalculated.
So well, we will just have to see how this
plays out. And honestly, the worst part about it is
that I have to say that is that we have
to see how this plays.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Let's end the pod with our favorite segment, what the
fuck are we listening to? So callin with the fucking listen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I've been listening to a lot of I was listening
to so after Purple Rain, Prince put out this album
that's called Around the World in a Day, which Joe
I thought you would. You should look up the album
cover for that real quick. It's called Around the World
in the Day. It's like very they got a lot
(01:00:25):
of comparisons to Sergeant Pepper's And it was like right
after Purple Rain, which is by far Prince's biggest record ever, right,
and this album cover is very like Sergeant Pepper's esque.
It's got all these characters and stuff like that on it.
It would be actually a really sick vinyl to own.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It's like trippy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, well this album is very psychedelic. Yeah, it's just
got a bunch of these like characters around a pool.
It's really interesting. But one of the things I was
reading about Prince is that he said about the album cover,
which I thought was actually a very interesting idea. As
he goes, I thought people were just tired of see
in my face and he goes every album cover literally
(01:01:05):
he was like, it's me doing something whatever, And he
was like, I think people were just tired of it, right,
And I thought that was a very interesting idea, just
to be like, yeah, it's about the artistry, right, It's not.
I mean, I'm a part of it at the end
of the day, but it's about the artistry at the
end of the day. So why don't I try to
let that shine through more than me? Right? So I
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was like, that's a really poetic quote. Anyway, after Purple Rain,
this album came out. It had like very mixed reception
after it because it's experimental and it just doesn't have
as many like hit hit as like Purple Rain does.
But the thing I love about this album is it's
got one of my favorite songs. So put it on
my story the other day. It's called pop Life, and
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it's about Prince talking about like what it's like to
be a famous star, and like kind of like the
anxiety about it, you know, and almost like the absurdity
of the anxiety about it, which I thought was interesting.
Like he talked about like, you know, one of the
lines and it says, did they put the million dollar
check in the wrong box? Is that why you're nervous? Basically?
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And I was like, that is funny because you would
be nervous in that moment, but also you're getting a
million dollars right, And then like another idea that I
love is he goes, because Princes never shied away from
very controversial lyrics, is after this like little break solo thing,
he goes, what you putting in your nose? Is that
where all your money goes? Which I was like, damn,
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that's a that's a good line. But yeah, it gets
really weird in here. The main hit from this song
that most people are album that most people would know
is Raspberry Beret, and so like that's once you actually
I was blown away. If you listen to this album
into Raspberry pere Beret, they play Condition of the Heart
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before that sort of condition of the Heart and go
into Raspberry Beret. It like really gives like a way.
It feels weird now not to listen to Condition of
a Heart before that. They feel like a yang and
a yang. They're so opposite from each other, but they
like complete each other at the same time. So I
don't know about you, Joe, what are you even listen to?
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
So sick? I've been listening to a lot of Rachel
Chinora Rere. She's from the UK. She does a lot
of like pop stuff and it's really cool. Her vocals
are are really fun to listen to. She's blown up
like crazy too, so hopefully catch a concert with her
coming to the States at some point. Also, new Japanese
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house Sunshine Baby dropped. It's amazing, per usual. Can't wait
for this album to come out. And then a band
I like is called Deeper. I listen. There's like one
song they have. It's called like This Heat. It's really cool.
It's like eighties kind of like new wave, but then
like a little bit of punk in there as well,
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and it's like, I don't know, it has like a
very new twist on it, and the lyrics are just
kind of like fun and intense, and it just I
don't know, it just really like throws me back in time,
but like, I don't know, I just I love the
energy behind it. They just came out with a new
song called sub which is really cool. And then yeah,
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like James James Ivy's newest project, Everything Perfect, that whole record.
Been listening to that on repeat as well, a lot
of cool stuff, a lot of cool stuff the last
couple of weeks. So finally on my music rut, which
is always fun good.
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, yeah, damn it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Now I'm gonna I just crawl back into my coffin.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I just dropped so much gatorade on the floor. It
is absolutely but it is like everywhere. It is bright
blue gatorade on my wooden floor. Anyway, folks, we'll see
it next week. Guys, thank you so much for listening
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