July 13, 2023 • 65 mins
Zuckburger is coming to eat Elon’s Lunch with Meta’s new app, Threads. People are busy threading (we got to find a new verb for this) but the boys wonder how Meta can keep the momentum. While, the boys talk about the viral and probably worst “apology” of all time on youtube. One Woman, One Ukulele, and more on The Biztape!
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Sources:
Threads burst into social media::
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/6/23786127/twitter-lawsuit-threat-meta-threads-app
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2023/07/07/70-million-sign-ups-8-reasons-why-threads-is-blowing-up/?sh=44d22f1f412b
Colleen Ballinger “Apology”:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/colleen-ballinger-tour-canceled-allegations-1235369711/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb8z8kaekfw&t=678s
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Colleen Ballinger, an apology and a ukulele, and threats winning
the battle against Twitter.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're listening to the biz Tape.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to the biz Tape.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're all things music, business and media podcasts. I'm your host,
Colin McKay, with my lovely host back in the Coast,
Joseph Waizleski.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hell yeah, I guess you were on the coast host.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Joe's back from Alaska doing
some work out there with.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
A lot of fish.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, I got to see a lot of fish. I
got to see a lot of rowdy people, sweaty in
the rain doing the music festival thing.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So yeah, that sounds that sounds rowdy was the term. Yeah, anyway, I.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Would say very coded for sure. I was.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We were just talking about how Joe saw no animal,
so I just was like, did you see a moose?
Because like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Know if I saw animals, but they were human.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Lam, You're like, God, it's like one of those nerdy
kids in classes, like, actually, animals are human beings as well.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I remember when people got mad at us for calling
people nerds ironically, you know, then it begged me the
question of like who is calling nerds or like who
is calling people nerds? Un ironically? Like who's doing that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It reminded me of.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That portlandy a bit where he's like where like the
girl's like, I'm such a nerd and then the guy
that comes out through the fourth wall and it's like, Hi,
I'm actually a nerd and that's offensive to me. My
name is Brian. I run a DM position here at
the game Shack. I have a very small group of friends,
so you hopping on this train with these black rimmed
(02:03):
glasses does me no service. But yeah, like that, I
do all of that show. But like, uh no, I
was talking to a joke because I was like, you've
seen no animals because I I like, I want to
see a moose because they're just like they're just like aliens. Dude,
Like I didn't realize until I saw like cell phone
footage of like a moose up close. It's just like
looking at an alien. They'll kill you, terrifying.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, it's like especially at night, it's like you have
like the the night vision thing and it's it's just
there's an eeriness to it.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
God, yeah, they're they're creepy. I don't know, like uh,
look up moose found footage. I'm sure you'll find something.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But uh, yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
A lot of colin I saw mosquitos.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Apparently, apparently you said that's a thing up there's the
mosquitos are super bad, which I didn't think that they
would be because you're in Alaska, but apparently the opposite.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well apparently it's because of like so everything melts and
all the moisture still water.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, and then they can breed in it. Okay, that
makes exactly. The whole state is covered in mosquitoes.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Pretty much. Please come to you, please come, But it's
so gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's such a gorgeous state, and if you have the
opportunity to go, you should definitely go.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, we're glad to have you with us, and we're
sorry for the delay because of the technical difficulties and
we appreciate our fans bearing with us on that one.
We were chased by moose or is the pooral I've
been told on the pillow propter mess Anyway, Joe, I
don't know moose. And that's a Brian Reagan joke for you.
How many comedians can call on quote in one episode
(03:47):
is basically this own drinking game. But Joe, I think
we should start with you because mine mine, I cannot
believe we haven't talked about yet, but I was like,
we got to talk about this eventually, but I want
to start with you because obviously, to be honest, this
is probably.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The bigger deal going on with the world right now.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Which is Joe's clothing his threads.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Am I right, that's what threads.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
My threads are going viral as they often do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's literally what that term used to be about. And
now now we've lost it forever.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You think about that, like.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, it's it's you know, I can so if you
don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about Meta's
newest app. Meta aka Facebook of their newest app called
Threads and Threads is a tech based social media platform
that is very very similar, strikingly similar actually to Twitter's UI,
(04:38):
and it's being used as a direct competitor in the space.
But what the thing that I'm envisioning is just like
a bunch of Meta execs that are all like above
the age of like fifty five. They're like, what do
kids like these days? Like, what's the catchy term that
we can grab them. It's like threat, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know what kids are talking about. They're talking about
their clothes, they're talking about their they're talking about their
doude ads, their threads, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, and it's always like, yeah, that's genius. In fact,
we'll have a knockoff d pop store called Threads too.
But the Zuck himself had announced on Threads that the
app has hit one hundred million sign ups in just
five days, which is unprecedented. Yeah, it's kind of insane
(05:30):
because it's never it's never been done before like this
many sign ups. People often think, like, what was the
other big like blow up social media app like TikTok.
TikTok was definitely the biggest, but even that was over
a span of months, and this was over a span
of hours and days, So it's been pretty it's pretty crazy.
(05:53):
And like to compare, Twitter's whole user base is three
hundred million. Facebook has one hundred million in the first week,
so of course Twitter is freaking out. But according to Forbes,
there's like eight reasons why the app has like really
taken off the cool name. It has to do. Yeah,
(06:15):
it's really it's it's just the name.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That weird lowercase and symbol. I you know people, I
hire me Forbes, I got so many, I got so
much here it's already in dark mode. These are all
real reasons that people obviously get on apps.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I love the dark mode aspect, but I'm not I'm
not really down for the logo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Number could have been number four.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It has to deal with Zuckerberg and Ewon comparing Dix
as we learned. All right, number five. Here we go, Joe,
come on, keep up, but no, like ate, Yeah, I
don't know that. I just wanted to throw that in there.
The logo. I literally when I started my threads, that
was like one of the first things I put on.
I went, who came up with this logo?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, it's just it's kind of thrown together, like feels
very thrown together. But like so, the main reason right
that it's working is credibility and infrastructure, And it's because
Meta already has Facebook, What's app, Messenger, Instagram, and now
it has Threads, and people really.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Forget the power WhatsApp a lot, I mean so many.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Oh yeah, WhatsApp is what people text everywhere outside of
the US, that's what what people use.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
To Instagram is still a big you know, Pillar of
society and then facebooks. It's still it's weird, but it's
still there. So it's like, don't discount them because you know,
we make jokes about Facebook.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But maintaining Facebook. But they are trying to separate themselves
from Facebook, at least from a pr side, because of
the like election cycle stuff that came out right of
like people.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh the Britannica. Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So it's like there's still a lot of controversy with
that and that still is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But also they handle so many they so they handle
so many social media companies, so they outgrew the Facebook name.
That's why they're called Meta now.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So yeah, even though like the majority, it seems like
the majority of people are very much on board with
the app and are actually like rooting for Meta, which
is not very that's a good yeah, it's it's very new,
but it's because, uh, Twitter, which is another reason, is
(08:26):
pretty much just a dumpster fire and has been for
the past year ever since Elon Musk stepped in and
basically demolished the entire Twitter team by just firing departments,
Like I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely true, and then I got it.
We got to mention right, because I was talking to
some other industry people at an event the other day.
This literally happened at the same time that Twitter is like, hey,
if you don't pay us money, you can only see
six hundred tweets today, Like the same week that that happened,
Twitter said you can only see six hundred tweets today
unless you paid for Twitter Blue. And so literally they
took this sinking ship through a match on it, and
(09:04):
then here comes Meta with Threads that's like, hey, we're
still floating by and we're pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Come on board. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So and another like main reason that it's taking off too,
is like if you're signing up the Threads, you're hooking
it into your Instagram account. So it's kind of like
it's kind of like how Messenger is very much directly
paired with Facebook, but instead you kind of you log
into the Threads like app. Once you get in, it
(09:33):
hooks into your Instagram account and it automatically follows people
for you, and it has like your followers can opt
into following you automatically if you join the app, So
it completely solves what the app's called cold start, which
is you get on a new app you're kind of
just meandering around for like a good year before you
(09:54):
actually start like having people follow you or you following people,
and you're kind of just like figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Can I give you a good example of that too.
One of the people that I talked to a lot,
she was telling me because she's a social media manager
and she helps with a bunch of artists and stuff
that like one of the things that she wanted to
do is get all these people to make their threads
just to like, you know, save their handles and stuff
like that. And you know, obviously starting a new social
media for any artist is almost like very fatiguing because
(10:22):
you're like, oh god again, and there's another one, right,
why should I do this? So you kind of have
to sell it. And one of the selling points that
she said was very easy to say was, Hey, you
don't have to start at zero, right. You guys all
have Instagram's already, So just sign up with the Instagram.
It's not like you have to put your email in
and make a log in or whatever. Just hit that
(10:43):
and then it'll follow everybody and everybody else will follow you.
So I like hit on that point. That cold start
problem is such a big deal. And since like it
seems most human you know, beings who are on social
media have Instagram already, it just was a kind of
perfect solution to that. Although I will say, Joe, which
I was talking to somebody else that did this at
(11:05):
the start of it, if you haven't made your threads yet.
One thing I learned from talking to some people is
that at the beginning, Joe's right, and they'll say, hey,
do you want to follow your Instagram such like, you know,
followers and stuff like that. Right, it'll ask you that,
and if you say no, it'll never ask you that again,
which is rough because one of them said, oh my god,
(11:26):
I accidentally did that and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Now I have to do the cold start.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So just a little if you're not on the threads
train yet, it's just a warning.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It's easier to just follow everybody and then unfollow the
people you don't want to see, like and I saw
like a bunch of people being like, oh, I don't
want to see photographers hot takes on here. And you
know what I take from that, Okay, because I have
some great hot takes, all right, and I have some
great threads. Colin would you like me to read you
(11:54):
my threads so that everybody knows just how much of
a genius I truly am.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh right, let's see the camera. Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Number one Sparkle Emoji Mightley Cyrus Flowers blasting over a
video of earwax cleaning in Sparkle Emochi.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Mine, mine currently is, and which is still a thing
in my mind has said this app was a long
game plot by Meta employees who couldn't get enough Twitter followers.
You cannot convince me otherwise.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, But what's funny is like everybody was making jokes
of you know, those early days of Facebook, Like we
all got on Facebook and made the most cringey posts
and like aged so poorly, and you're just like, oh,
it's so embarrassing. And that's definitely what threads is gonna
be ten years and in Meta will do what Meta does,
(12:50):
which is basically just like pull up the same five
posts for you every year that it was supposed to cringe.
But what's another reason that like threats has kind of
taken off is the algorithmic feed, which most people aren't
complaining about at this moment, mostly because it's just already
(13:15):
integrated into the platform so much better than like already
having another way the algorithm works, and then like changing
the algorithm later on, where like people are used to
one thing and then they don't get used to the
other thing. So, according to The Verge and Forbes is
that this algorithm is pretty much it's kind of like
(13:39):
cookie cutter Twitter, except what they're trying to do is
they're trying to have conversation that's like more fun and
less doomsday. Whereas Twitter really relied on the heavy like
news outlet, oh absolute doom scroll aspect, Meta is trying
to go a different route with it and keep it fun,
keep it light, which.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know you can.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna say you can have like a pretty
varying opinion about that, because as much as Joe and
I have crap on Twitter in recent times, since Elon.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Has got into the fun, you know, fun of Twitter.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Like the one thing that I still stayed on all
the time about Twitter is Twitter still has a niche
which was like literally breaking information and news and conversation
about that, which I really liked. And so I was
hoping as someone who felt like they never got on
the Twitter bus at the right time, that this would
have that aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So I'm not very excited to hear that.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I did not know that was kind of a goal
of them, because I you know, as much as I
love that, it's it's a little bit weird because the
one thing I will say, and maybe this is also
part of their ploy, is I feel like we see
it as a direct competitor to Twitter for obvious reasons,
but you know, who's also like a pretty fun place
most of the time and has a lot of conversation
(14:58):
and has been dying recently and losing moderators and losing
a lot of money Reddit. So I wonder if that's
also part of it, because if you go to these
subreddits and it's like, you know, something like this is
the Borderway and the subreddit, it's not like they're going
to talk about death and doom. They're gonna be like, hey,
my character is a level sixty nine character and I'm
trying to get max farm and we're just having a
fun time here or something, right, So I wonder if
(15:20):
they're going after that market as well that's been very
dissatisfied as of late.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They really should hit the Farmville market back really hard,
just get the full nostalgia going.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
What do you mean it's another reason I'm still playing
love this. That farm has been I've been feeding.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I've been feeding those goddamn cows since twenty ten. You
cannot tell me otherwise. I know you've known me for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Joe. This is I already I.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You thought that the big reveal is that I was
playing You thought the big reveal is that I was
playing RuneScape in like twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You thought that was it. It is not.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is farm Villa's a masked farm. Bill that has
been the facade. I don't even understand RuneScape.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Wow, you're really blowing my mind.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The main thing you should take away from this is
that Colin is not playing RuneScape, because that's never happened anyway,
Keep going, Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But yeah, they're playing on the nostalgia appeal, which a
lot of people in the beginning, Well what was fun?
I think that that honestly, this article leaves out as
well as like when you're joining If you joined Threads
in the first like week, it was blowing up, like
people were posting stuff NonStop. There's content everywhere. It felt
(16:34):
like you were part of like this very new thing
that like other social media platforms, Yeah, it like suffers
from that cold start of like it doesn't even know
what you like yet, it doesn't even know like what's
going on, and so it feels more of like, oh,
I see the people I wanted to see on my
Instagram feed that I never see, but now I can
(16:54):
see them on this feed. And so it was like
very like light and like people were kind of like
enjoying kind of going back to a text based platform.
And what's even better too, is that a lot of
the media handling that threads has is a lot better
than Instagram media handling, So it doesn't like degrade the
(17:17):
quality of like your photos or footage as hard as
Instagram does. And part of that is I think due
to maybe some of the knowledge from Twitter as well,
because Twitter was arguably the best platform for media who
had the crispist look out of everything else that I
(17:37):
think was very much overlooked in the grand scheme.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I have fun a disagreement with that, and I will
tell you what it is, and I've said it to
this day. With Twitter, I hated the multi thread Twitter feeds.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean, but that's just kind of I feel like,
I think this app does it just.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Comment on the thing and then you can add more
to the comment and do that as opposed to just
like one out of twenty five and here's my manifesto
on Twitter that was always annoying to me, especially if
it was like serious stuff like a president of the
United States or like you know what I mean, like
a UN member, and it's like, okay, let me say
this over thirty tweets that are out of order now
(18:18):
like hate that.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, it's it's a lot more like streamlined, and you
can kind of like carry in the conversation easier and faster,
and it's it's more inviting to actually like kind of
jump around and stuff. But another aspect, which this will
not be lasting too much longer, maybe not even in
(18:41):
the next couple of days, but currently there are no
ads that you can see on threads, which people are
enjoying a lot, but expect that to change to change
very very recently. As like with every social media platform ever,
they're they're trying to get people and traffic and so
(19:02):
that they can sell things to you. That is how
they make their money back, absolutely money for their investors,
which Meta desperately needs after the flop that was the metaverse,
you know, that thing that they changed their real name
and personality to. Yeah, the thing that flopped really really badly.
That that's what they're trying to avoid again. So they're
(19:25):
doing what they're what I think Facebook and Meta does best,
which is being in social media and kind of taking
an idea and arguably stealing an idea and then kind
of adding on to it, doing things better, twisting things around.
And also there's a new audience for this platform. There's
a whole brand new audience. People forget that there are
(19:48):
teenagers that were born post Twitter that you know, didn't
jump on the Twitter bandwagon like when it was a thing.
And so a lot of people are kind of expperiencing
this new thing, and especially from like a world perspective,
Facebook still to this day has the biggest social media
(20:09):
and web presence out of any other site on the planet.
This is like what whether people out of the country
get their news, they get their stories, they see their friends,
they see influencers, they see ads, blah blah blah. They
have so many people on Facebook, on these platforms and
(20:29):
so being able to automatically integrate them into this and
make it easy and then accessible has gone along a
long way with like the subscriber numbers, and I think
what's crazy too, is it as it stands now, a
lot of people are actually using the platform. Everybody's threading.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh I hate that. Yeah, it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I hate it so much. But that's what people are saying.
So I guess we're gonna we're metaing as well doing
but switching lanes here the opposite end. Twitter is very
great off. Yeah, they're they're doing not so great.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Actually, they're like, we wanted more competition.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's what they told me. That's what Elon said. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Twitter threatened the lawsuit over using confidential trade secrets about
Twitter and said that they are using it to support
the Threads platform, and Elon Musk's personal lawyer and now
apparently the lawyer for all of Twitter uh sent a
letter in which he basically told Twitter to or told
(21:37):
Threads to halt what they were doing as they basically
stole there. He claimed that like, oh, you hired a
bunch of people from Twitter after we fired them, and
you got them to make this platform, which if they
did do that, genius, genius, it's genius. But as meta
(21:59):
states they did not do that, which you know, I
don't know how true that is. Andy Stone stated that
quote no one on the Threads engineering team is a
former Twitter employee.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's just not a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Also, all the public responses from Meta to Twitter have
been through Threads, which I think is such a flex
because people are covering Threads way more than Twitter at
this point. Elon's I mean, it's hard to say, I Colin,
(22:39):
I guess like, let's open it up to discussion here.
But do you think that like Twitter is pretty much
dead in the water at this point, like they've lost
the momentum. It's just not going to come back. And
also do you think that like they have a legal
leg to stand on here.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Okay, this is a big questions. Let's just start off
at the first one. I think that currently Threads has
the upper hand for sure, there's no denying that. I
think Twitter currently still has the kind of content that
I personally want in some factors such as like kind
(23:19):
of that breaking news, you know, active conversation about something happen,
all that kind of stuff. But I think that they
will have that migrate all over. But like you were saying,
if it's maybe Meta's idea to keep it light here,
I maybe see that actually being a positive to Twitter,
because as much as everyone's like Twitter is aggressive and
(23:40):
like just full of like very you know basically people
that are done with the world almost like they're just
done with like trying to help society. They're just anarchists
almost right, Like people crave that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think people crave and open forum to like comment
and talk about in a sometimes aggressive way. I mean,
obviously there's a very unhealthy way of doing that, and
there's a dangerous way of doing that, which is why
moderation has to exist. But I think that without like
Meta taking a dipping their toes into more of like,
(24:16):
oh okay, we can do content just like Twitter, Twitter
still has a place. But I don't see them not
going into that niche more and I don't see the
platform developing by itself in that way. I think that
in terms of Twitter's legal uh standing, I think it's
almost nothing like it's amazing to me unless they have
(24:40):
some secret you know, bug in the meta office that
can tell them, hey, we copy it all this code
from Twitter. I don't know what to tell you. Twitter
did not invent a timeline with text, right, they popularized it,
but they didn't invent that idea.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So arguing that they stole from Facebook if you really want.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
To, right, and so like, I think that, you know,
that is just you know, water in the bridge. I
think they're just throwing fire to throw fire to maybe
make any chance of you know, Meta reversing happened, you know,
and I'd be interested to see if they try to
(25:19):
take it to anything. I mean, we're gonna have to
follow that for later weeks, so subscribe here, sorry promo.
But like, yeah, I just think that at the end
of the day, it doesn't seem to me that they
could have some standing on it unless they have literally
a secret bug in there that goes, oh, we we
have proof that Meta stole Twitter code and somehow trade secrets.
But right now, I think it's just based off intimidation
(25:42):
and it's not gonna work because you know, Meta, to
be quite honest, is a bigger company than Twitter, you
know what I mean. And so it's not like if
they went toe to toe, I Meta is gonna win
just legally with money, you know, unless they have some
really really big argument I've never heard of. But I
don't know about you, Joe, But what do you think,
(26:03):
because like I know, you have a different perspective on
a lot of stuff. What do you think about this
like thread space? Do we think that, like you're saying,
do you think it'll overcome Twitter completely? Do you think
Twitter still has a place?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think that Twitter is has been dead since Elon
Musk fired everybody. I think that I think that he
is not going to last. There has to be significant
changes as well as significant investments that Elon has to
put in in order to turn the ship around. They
(26:39):
have to pull back on all of this paid bullshit
because it's just not how Twitter has worked previously and
not what people are connecting to subscriber wise, like to
move a free platform to a subscriber platform and then
jerk people around like that, not even like ease people
into it. It's like it's pretty telling how Elon doesn't
(27:05):
even really understand the social media landscape from a business perspective.
You know, he comes from a technology standpoint, He doesn't
buy the social media. Yeah, you have to treat social
media as a media company, not as a not as
a you know, physical product of like moving product in
(27:27):
like especially are just gonna jump Yeah, he's assuming that
people are just gonna jump on board because they've been
on Twitter and they love Twitter just as much as Elon.
But the truth of the matter is people are gonna
jump to whatever platform is the most entertaining for them
and what they feel that they're getting the best experience
(27:47):
out of, and Twitter is abysmal at this point. It's
not it's not a good user experience. It's very glitchy.
It's surprise the lights are even turned on.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There's a couple things with this that I will say,
which is that, like I do think totally threads as
the upper hand, but it's like, you know, they're walking
on a type rope right now, you know what I mean,
Like they have some questions and concerns to address to
consumers of this before you know, it's kind of in
the bag.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We beat Twitter, right.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Obviously you put the big one in the room, the
no ads thing. How are these ads going to get implemented?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Because that's that's the biggest thing is because I think
this is the thing that Facebook does well. They monitor
other social media apps. They see when like an app
is starting to dwindle, and that's when they pounce and
launch their new thing that's pretty much a clone of
whatever was the other thing. Like I mean we saw
(28:47):
with Snapchat and Stories, right, such a big Yeah, that
was such a big thing. Snapchat was struggling so hard.
It's actually kind of insane how they managed to turn
that ship around. And I was wrong about that. I
thought Snapchat was dead because they had a massive flood
of deleted accounts happened during that process, and they were
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just pushing content that just was not connecting to a
majority of people. And to be honest, I still think
Snapchat struggles on that end with older audiences. I don't
think that, you know, I think it's crazy they've captured
gen Z's attention, and I think a lot of it
has to do with privacy. I think gen Z is
(29:30):
very attracted to privacy and private conversations and like being
able to kind of live in the moment situation.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
But I do think that, like when it comes to Twitter,
this was such a like this was a long time coming,
right of Elon thinking that, oh, we're fine, like we
don't have to worry about the other competitors because there's
nothing like Twitter, Like nobody could really copy us. And
(30:00):
then the monolith technology company that is Facebook, Meta has
has made their whole business model in the past fifteen
years copying people, right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And I think also like they definitely saw the cracks forming,
and they took their time and they developed an app,
and you know, the app worked day one and it
you know, did everything Twitter did, and like, you know
that that is an achievement in itself, is that they
did see they saw a need, and they rose to
the occasion to try to make it. But obviously this
(30:34):
is a marathon, not a sprint, right, So I'd be
interested again, like you're saying, well, how the ads will
be implemented, if they're going to be implemented in like
a subtle way at first or more aggressive, or maybe
we will see them try to put a payment option
on here.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The other option that I'm curious about specifically because it's
meta is one of the things that Twitter does pretty
well is like little clips of media, right. And it's
so funny because Twitter, for a lot of people before
TikTok and even during before and around when Vine was
(31:13):
up and then gone, Twitter was the short form video
content king, if you think about it, because YouTube was
like a minute two minute videos at the time, maybe
five ten minutes if it's longer, right, But like Twitter
had a very big like section of like video because
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it was just like a little video that was like,
for instance, I saw one today like on threads, right,
that's like aoc to basketball game and it's like somebody
you know, making a dunk and then the video's over, right,
And so I wonder from meta's perspective, if they're going
to try to integrate reels somehow, you know what I mean,
and the idea of like putting reels in there, and
(31:55):
I wonder in the same way if they will dissuade
tiktoks from getting on the platform. So that's where I'm
curious about as well, is how they're gonna implement some
of that media content there as well. I mean, also,
I will say Twitter does have some other features that
Threads does not have. I mean, technically we don't have spaces.
Technically we don't have like I'm pretty sure you can
(32:17):
do some Twitter lives, And that's what I'm gonna say.
Space psychopaths are well I knew, I knew a couple
things that use spaces, and it was mostly like guys
who were like day traders.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So I think that like at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Which you could argue Discord does the same.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Thing, right, And I think for a lot of things
when it comes to the features that they are missing,
it's more of a mindset of cutting the fat off
that was Twitter versus you know, oh we lost this
important feature. So yeah, I think that Threads has started
miraculously in a very strong footing. I think, uh Twitter,
(32:58):
And to be honest, maybe this would stop. But if
I was still somehow working at Twitter, I would be like,
can I go work at Threads? Do you guys need
more people to do stuff like this? That that would
be my first thought, you know what I mean. But
maybe they wouldn't do that if Elon's flying, you know,
throwing a lawsuit out there potentially is hire a Twitter enployee.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Well, but that's another thing to touch on, which is
the legal standing of this right which I think my
from my perspective, I even if they have a leg
to stand on, Twitter does not have the capital to
go against Facebook in a legal battle.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, just and that's what I'm saying that they're like
they've lost so much capital.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Meta is a.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Superiorly bigger company, So they're just gonna run them dry
with you know, Oh, this is gonna take ten years
longer to make this lawsuit go through, and then you
probably aren't gonna win. Absolutely not well.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And also Elon just being he's lost. To be honest,
he's lost a lot of money in this this buyout,
this Twitter buyout, So it's not like he's going to
want to sync any more money into it. At least
if he's smart about it, he wouldn't want to do that.
He'd want to kind of just stand by and like
really invest into the company itself and try to beat
(34:14):
it out naturally, or you know, just make it Twitter again,
hire those people you fired back. But I doubt that
anybody's going to want to go back.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Into now, especially now that they know, especially since Twitter
did have that kind of you know, monolithic space of
text based social media and now they've lost it. Now
they actually have another, you know, viable competitor. Right, I
wouldn't want to go back there because I would feel like, wow,
(34:42):
this seems like the sinking ship to go back to
my other metaphor. So I don't know, you know, for Twitter,
I think it's going to be a rough time coming.
And I think that you know, Twitter is already in
so much crap with other lawsuits that are awedged to
against them for you know, wrongful determination, all these kind
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of stuff. So I I just like you're saying, if
it wasn't even just like if Twitter existed and was
a healthy company and was like making money and a
good amount or whatever, and they wanted to go against Meta,
that's one thing. But as a company that's been on
the decline in terms of money, in terms of how
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the public views them, and in terms of the many
lawsuits that are against them, they just have no steam
for this. I mean, if we were talking about, like, hey,
TikTok's coming to sue Meta for this, okay, makes sense
to me. That seems like the same weight class. But
now you know, it's this is crazy, So I don't know,
you know, I think, like you said, Elon has was
(35:47):
probably the beginning start of it. But also from when
I remember Twitter had always been for a lot of people,
like their number three app for a while, right, it
was always like Instagram, and then you know, basically I
would say sometimes Facebook, if you're a little bit older,
sometimes it would be TikTok, you know, And it was
(36:07):
always like number three, and now it's becoming number four,
number five, number six, you know what I mean. So
that's scary for a social media company. So I don't know,
we'll see how it goes. I think that there's no
better footing for metas start off with. And I think
that we are in a good shape to actually see
(36:29):
competition in the space for once in our lives, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, So well, follow our threads. Yeah, there you go,
follow our threads.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I do like to say random things in our threats,
so we'll see what's going on there. Yeah, BIZ tape
pretty much everywhere, including threads. Now, I guess I'm gonna
have to update our little bio that usually put in here.
I'm gonna do it right now.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I think what we might do on threads because I've
been thinking. I feel like we would be the most
active there, because it's like we could just I almost
a tweet, we get thread out like articles, and.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I will say, I will say that we got to
come up with a new verb, like we're thready so much.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
We're threading together, we're threatening, we're threatening each other, threatening
each other.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh God, so bad. All right, moving on threading or
not here I come anyway, Joe, Let's get on to
our next story. That's uh more is very much serious
but has become a absolute ridicule, uh you know, for
(37:45):
lack of a better term, shit show. And it is
about Colleen Ballinger, which she's she was talking about the
toxic gossip train, which people who already know this, I've
already triggered you and you know what I'm going to
talk about. But for the uninitiated, I'm going to explain it.
So bear with me if you know what I'm talking about.
Joe and I actually have talked about this zero, so
(38:05):
it's gonna be really fun. So Colleen Ballinger aka Miranda Sings,
if you also know her like character name was like
I remember Joe when we were growing up.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
She was a very.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Big, like first one of the first big people I
remember getting really big on YouTube and getting out of
the space right and basically she had this character that
was called Miranda Sings and it was on YouTube, I think,
and I was reading it was all the way back
in two thousand and eight, which you know YouTube started
in two thousand and six, so she's been on the
she's one of the OG's like literally and so like
(38:41):
it was a very kid centric character, and it like
you've probably seen her before. You know, She's got this
like very like huge kind of like smile slash like
Grimace at the same time, with like make up all
over her face and like lipstick all over her face
and stuff. And it was just like this like fun
(39:01):
little character that she went around on YouTube and made
bits with and everything. And the character was really awkward
and funny, and then it like ballooned to do this
giant entertainment beast. Like she started doing like live show tours.
She started like she was on Broadway and the musical
Waitress and stuff like that, right, but she ballooned into
this like giant character, and then people really became attached
(39:25):
to her and her story and everything. So she was
a very big person that like almost was like a
shining star of like look at this YouTube star just
came on YouTube and became like a real star. Right
cut to today, basically in the last two weeks, her
career has gone completely downhill. And I gotta tell you
(39:48):
kind of part of the story. But I'm gonna tell
you right now, it's not even close to the amount
of allegations that are out about Bunger. So you're gonna
have to do your own research about that, but I'm
gonna give you kind of some of the things, and
then we're going to get into this apology video that
I guarantee you probably know what it is, even if
you don't know what it is. So basically, she has
(40:08):
a lot of allegations of misconduct in the past, and
they finally accumulated together over these last three years. Specifically,
I let Billboard take it away. Basically Billboard says quote.
The allegation surrounding Balinger's behavior with her fans first began
in twenty twenty, when YouTuber Alan mcint sorry Adam McIntyre
(40:29):
claiming that the comedian had a personal friendship with him
when he was just a teenager and she was in
her thirties. He added that he would help with her
social media and would be frequently put in uncomfortable situations,
specifically noting that at one point Ballinger sent him Laningeriy
as a joke. At the time, Ballinger denied some of
(40:51):
his allegations in a video. Okay, and so some time
moves on and some more people were coming out right,
and that this was the big one that came out.
More allegation came out again from Billboard resurface last month,
literally from this YouTuber called Cody Rantz who defends like
basically she he like defended Balleinger against McIntyre's allegations in
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twenty twenty and alleged that Balinger privately shared screenshots of
messages with McIntyre and a fan group and showed screenshots
and are now the lead of video in which Balinger
asked the group of her fans quote their favorite sex
positions and among a bunch of other inimportant questions right now. So,
like she was doing some really creepy things with young kids.
(41:37):
Basically she had this kind of the definition of no
boundaries relationship with her fans. There's other allegations that she
was showing like, you know, pornographic kind of content as
like in a joking way to these children. There's other
allegations that she would make people do uncomfortable things on stage,
like reach into her pants and stuff on stage like
(42:00):
when she was a kid, like when the when these
people were kids, you know, So it's like there's so
many of them, I can't do it justice and it's
a little bit beyond the scope of the show. But
the reason I want to talk about it is because
Joe and I love to talk about apology videos, right,
we love to talk everything. I love to talk about it,
but we'd love to talk about the idea of like,
(42:22):
you know, you have an allegation, you have something going on,
and how you respond to that. And Colleen, in her
infinite wisdom, decided to make a ten minute long defense
about it. Right, Okay, ten minutes it feels like, you know, short,
but also good enough time to get all the allegations
it would be if she didn't sing and play the
(42:43):
ukulele the entire time. So literally, Colleen is in this
video and she like it's first off, like she starts
the video and she's just playing ukulele, and you know,
and at first everyone's like, is she gonna play ukulele
the whole time? She plays ukulele the entire video, and
(43:04):
she makes this quote unquote kind of defense.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I don't even want to call.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It an apology video, Like it's just basically like, no,
this didn't happen, without getting into specifics at all, And
if you've seen a girl with the ukulele all over
like TikTok or Instagram or whatever. That's Colleen if you're
putting it together and you're in the audience, So like,
that's who everyone's been making fun of for two weeks. Basically,
(43:29):
she like basically sings her retorts the entire time and
kind of does like these long monolog bits, right, she
like again playing the ukulele the whole time, and she
one of my favorite parts of the video. She starts
off saying her team strongly advised her not to say anything,
so then like in a really snarky way, she goes,
they didn't say I couldn't sing it, which I'm like, Colleen,
(43:53):
you're literally.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
As a pr representative, it must be. It must have
been so fun to watch that. I'm sure, look at
all this horrible work I'm gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right that, and the victims here who you know, are like,
oh well, maybe she has some thoughtful response and staid,
She's like singing all of this stuff out on the ukulele.
I would love to play some of it of you
if you're uninitiated, and I can't. And I'm going to
explain later why, but I'm gonna tell you right now
(44:22):
it's totally worth watching like a minute or so. And
yes she does play and singing the entire ten minutes,
so you don't have to listen to all ten minutes.
If you feel like you want to listen all ten minutes,
you go ahead. I don't think you're gonna gleam anything.
And the apology did not go well anyway. I think
what is really funny here is that probably and Joe,
you would agree with this. I would imagine if you
(44:44):
were on our team and this came across their desk,
you know, and they were like, hey, you shouldn't do
anything or say anything, right, I would be like, it's
probably gonna be like how it was before, where in
twenty twenty this McIntyre made these allegations and then they
just kind of went in the way, Right, That's what
I would advise, basically, Right, why don't you see how
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this plays out or whatever. So Colleen, in my opinion,
I'm sure Joe agrees with this too, made the worst
decision ever and decided to make this into the biggest
blow up I've seen of an apology video in literally
probably ten years. Like, this issue has gotten way bigger
than I ever thought. The story could have gotten even
(45:25):
though the story is so serious that it should get
this big, but it's totally because Colleen did this in
this like very snarky musical way that's so memable it's insane. Currently,
the video Joe sits at eleven million views yep, and
she's not taking it down eleven million views. She's being
(45:46):
mocked to Helen back basically across the internet. For obviously
the format of the video because she's like singing and
this whole entire response the entire time. Another one that
people got is like the level of rehearsal, because it's
extremely well rehearsed, like the entire thing, which in terms
of apologies and stuff, you don't like to seem that
you're rehearsed, you know what I mean, Like you want
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to seem like you're coming across actually sincerely, which the
ukulele doesn't help with that. As well as like the
clear lack of answers that Colleen gives. She basically is
like nah, and she she says all the time in
that she goes, uh, I'm just a loser, I'm not
a groomer, and you're like, oh, okay, anyway, So.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Colleen it's like, is this real life? So Joe yo
enjoy this?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And since everybody loves when me and Joe talk about
generational theory, Colleen has kept the comments live on that
video for some reason, and most of them have a
lot of up votes and like just rail, like completely
rail the entire performance right, And so someone because of
her age and like with the ukulele, which Joe's gonna
(46:53):
enjoy and it's the most like comment on the video goes,
this is so painfully millennial, which a thirty six year
old with a ukulele is the most millennial thing I've ever
heard making an apology video?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Are you kidding me? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So that, like I said, we're talking about this because
of the apology angle, and it's just getting worse and worse.
The accusations are piling on now as more people you know,
find the courage to talk about what they alleged Colleen
has done right, and more big creators have joined on
the fund because it's just so memeable like it is,
so it is a disservice to herself because the main
(47:31):
chorus of the song is too catchy, like it I
sing it all the time at work. I'm going the
toxic goss train like it's it. She did herself a
disservice to be this memorable. Like anyway, the reason why
I can't play you the video, Let's get into that. Basically,
(47:51):
this is all alleged, and I will tell you that
Colleen and her lawyers say that she did not do this.
But Joe and I remember used to watch them more
in college. But age three H three came back from
a hiatus and did a live show, right, and they
created a soulful representation of the song to mock and
point out all the insanity. Like Ethan Klein from HGAH
(48:14):
three like basically gets this whole choir kind of group
together and they like play a little like very like
soulful gospel kind of thing for it, so it's really overplayed.
He also gave like more time to the victims to
talk about what was going on, what they felt happened,
(48:34):
all this stuff on this long live stream, right, So
they go through this live stream and then Ethan kind
of tweet I believe threads out as we learned, Ethan
threads out that basically he says that Colleen allegedly registered
the song with CD Baby, which why is that.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Important, Joe. You know why this is important to this.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Story because it monetizes the song, which me on distribution
to all streaming platforms.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Which means also that if you know, again her lawyers
deny this that if it's in CD Baby's database and
uploading the song, this gives her the ability to make
copyright claims on different things that violate her copyright, such
as YouTube. So Ethan got a copyright claim on the
video and apparently he thinks it's Colleen. The lawyers say
(49:27):
that's not us allegedly, right, but he got a copyright
claim saying, hey, you got to take the song on
because it has our copyright of the song, right, And
like this gives if it really was Colleen, this would
give her the ability to do this on other people's videos,
do copyright claims and also take monetization from those videos,
or at least like start a fight argument of fair
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use that would keep a video down for a certain
period of time.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
So this is a very big move.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
If she didn't do it, then like they need to
get on it because like this this is making the
situation even worse. Right, I don't know how you feel, Joe,
but like her willersd and I, which I'll give her
the benefit of the doubt, But I don't know how
you feel about that.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Do we do we think maybe Colleen did this?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Oh? I think I think that because I did see
that letter that or the response that they gave a
lot of press outlets basically being like which was a
very delayed response, I might add.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
And no ukulele, so we're already off the standards. That
can you imagine gets out there? We didn't upload this video.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I'm sure it Also the delay had to do with
people quitting because they probably had did not want anything
to do with what's going on.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Oh yeah, something can be so bad. You yeah, you
just get out of that.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
You're just like I'm out of this. Yeah. But I
do think that the letter was a little suspect. It
seemed a little it seemed very defensive. It seemed very
lack of a better term, gas lighty of being like no,
you guys have it wrong, Like this is like this
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is totally wrong, Like.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
What's the letter you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (51:17):
The letter is like to the press outlets saying that
like she didn't monetize anything, and that like all this
stuff didn't happen and then there is some evidence that
they're like people ripping the song and then like distributing
it by themselves on DSPs and other platforms and re uploading.
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But I do it is when you're getting a copyright
strike on YouTube, it's because a bot is identifying a
certain code in the song that you are playing in
your video, and it can recognize that code and it
flags it. And the only way to get one of
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those codes is to copyright it and to distribute it
later on.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
The Other issue I have is that Colleen. A lot
of these distribution companies, they surprise if you'd never put
a song out. They take a surprising amount of information
before you can distribute, Like they want to know who
you are as a person. They want to know who
they're supposed to pay money to, so they'll ask a
lot of information. So, whoever, if somebody else did it,
(52:28):
they're kind of messed up right now, you know what
I mean, Like they're going to get in trouble pretty bad,
like because they have all your information, which is why
it's almost like someone could have taken that risk. But
also Colleen could have just done it, you know, and
if she clearly doesn't want to listen to counsel, like
make an apology video. She might have done it, you
(52:49):
know what I mean. And so I you know, obviously
that we don't know for sure. Her warriors deny it,
but it's kind of hard for me to believe, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
That it's definitely a move that is probably one of
the worst moves she could have done. And so like,
even if she didn't do it right, but like Colleen
is just in the worst place she could possibly be
for seemingly from based on the accusation good reason. And
(53:22):
I think that she basically just shot off, like straight
from the side, straight from the hip, you know, going
I'm mad about this, Da da da da, I'm gonna
do something, and probably your counsel and her probably pr
and all these people are like, let's just not do something,
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and she's just ignored that. And this is the consequence
of it is that I still and here's a question
for you, Joe, do you think this story would be
as big as it was that she didn't make this
apology video?
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah, And that's my big I think it's been. So
it was huge deal when it came out, and to
be honest. There were allegations previous of like she was
more so on her personality. I remember in like twenty
twenty and that like initial waves, she managed to survive,
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but then like this onslaught happened, and I think like
probably the best thing would have been either to to
be honest, probably the best thing would have been to
just not say anything yea in this situation and to
handle it legally as opposed to being a very public display.
But she made it a public display. She opened the
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floodgates to more eyes and to more criticism, especially with
how she is handling a very very serious, serious situation
that I think there is still like people that are
taking it lightly of like what she is being accused
of doing.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, And I will say that's probably one of the
worst things from this is that the video is overshadowing
in a lot of aspects, like the level of accuations.
But I will say I feel like that that may
be overcome by the amount of people that are being
introduced to the situation, you know what I mean. Yeah,
(55:18):
And so like if you take I literally did not
have to do that much research immediately to find like
this is why people were upset these are all the accusations.
Here's a bunch of that like immediately after, and so
it's it's definitely, like you said, I think, distracting from
the actual situation. But I also think that maybe the
light it shines on it is so bright that the
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distraction is way more minimal. And I think also that again,
I completely hold out. I completely hold out. I cannot
believe that the song is almost as catchy as it is,
Like I think that is like one of the things
that has made this way worse for her is that
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it's super memorable, Like if it was just like this
shitty little song whatever that had no hooks or whatever, like,
it's just very memorable. Even even Klein, who's gonna copyright
claim on that livestream, goes, if you take it out
of the context, the.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Music of it is catchy, and he.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Says that in the like live stream that was trying
to get.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
A copyright literally below is atana review of this song.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, And so it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
I think this is gas on the fire for this
whole situation. And I think it's interesting because currently, you know,
where a music business podcast. I've never seen music and
music business both combined so well. To literally be the
business of making music to make an apology.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
But here we are.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
I think if you did something bad out there, uh, definitely, definitely.
Don't think a ukulele is just gonna wash away all
your problems.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
I think you need to own up to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
And Colleen, to everyone in her fans, basically decided I'm
not going to by pulling out the ukulele. So god, yeah,
I just this is a one of a kind situation.
I feel like we're not going to see something like
this for a while, you know what I mean, Like
this level of like complete inability to read a room,
(57:24):
you know what I mean. Yeah, And so she she
says it. She says, they tried to tell me not
to do it, and.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
They were right. It's almost like you should listen to
your advisors.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
It's like outside perspective is good.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
She thinks she's an artiste. Yeah, apology, that's true.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
And to be fair, we are adding to the toxic
goss strained anyway, Joe, I want you to know that
in this conversation, since you mentioned Farmville, I was going
to look on Facebook to see if I could look
at the games, and I can so I wanted you
(58:18):
to know that I could play Mobsters to Vandetta right
now if my flash worked, but those bastards took it
away from my browser.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
But so sad.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, it's sad. Anyway, Joe, what have you been listening to?
Speaker 4 (58:32):
I've been listening a lot to the band Coording on
their album Guitar Music. I've mentioned them before, but I
really got the opportunity on that long plane ride to
like actually listen to the full album, and it's.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
It's it's like, I don't know, it has so much
energy to it that I want out of a rock
and roll record. It talks. They have a lot of
descriptions about like what it's like to be an artist
and sell your music. Excuse me, keep that in to
(59:14):
sell your music in like this modern age, especially with
like dealing with label people or dealing with like music
industry people, and so it's kind of like a unique
perspective because it's it's like on one hand, they're like
accepting of it, that this is kind of like what
you have to do, but on another hand, it is
like they're kind of dealing with the turmoil of it.
(59:36):
In the lyrics and I think it's very relatable album
if you've ever made music and tried to make money
off of it.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
Another song that I've been listening to a lot is
called Pistol Whip and it's by Spilltab, which is off
of the record Bonnie, which is also really great. I
got sucked in mostly because the album cover is so cool.
It's like this really really bright like portrait of spill
(01:00:07):
Tab and it's like it's like a digital portrait but
it's like a purple background and she's wearing green and
it's I don't know, it's like really striking. It's so low,
it's like low res but in like the best way.
And then yeah, new Local Natives album Time will Wait
for Nobody for No One, which is a very amazing
(01:00:30):
record as well. It's the story behind this record is
very cool. Each of the members like talk about it
on their own stories, but they so you could tell
it's like a very personal record for them as a band,
and I feel like they're just They're just this band
that's like gotten to this point in their career where
(01:00:51):
it's it is such it's a rarity for bands to
get this far, and I think that you know it's
it's the fact that they're still making music. The fact
that they're still putting out amazing records really shows a
testament to I feel like their creative I guess creative
(01:01:13):
muscles for lack of a better term. Yeah, everybody should
definitely definitely check that out. But what have you been
listening to?
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Let's see, First, the Toxic cost of Trained song stuck
in my head. But I like the Ethan Klein one
on the Age three h three with the full little
gospel because it just makes me laugh. Also, I found
a new song because Joe's gonna be like, this is
the most me story ever about this is the most
comin story ever. So I was at work right and
I've decided to put on this like nineteen eighty nine
(01:01:46):
Huey Lewis concert, right, and I was like, I'm gonna
start it from zero and then we're gonna listen all
two hours of it. And so I started playing it
and there was a song that caught me off guard
because I know he really is pretty well. And I
was like, what song is this and they said, yeah,
I know him pretty well, me and Huey Huey lowiy.
But like one of the songs he said. He was like, oh,
(01:02:08):
the band played in the song on the record, and
like basically that's all he said. And I was like, well,
this isn't their song then, and I found this guy's
name is Nick Lowe, and Nick Lowe was like in
the late seventies early eighties and it's mostly a songwriter.
But they had this like record that was called like
the Rose of England in like nineteen eighty five, and
it was produced by Kube Lewis and one of the
(01:02:30):
songs that is on there was the same song on
the record is called and it's like the most like
if people ask, if they're like calling, what kind of
white person are you? I would be like, I'm the
kind of white person that looks the music goes do
do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do Do Do Do do do do.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
That's exactly what this song.
Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
I like, the idea of just people coming up to
each other and being like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
What kind of white person are Oh? Yeah, I mean
are you?
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Like the catch up is spicy kind of white person,
but like yeah no, but That's what I'm saying. It's
like that that's the kind of white person I am.
And so like I was in the name of the
song is called I Knew the Bribe when she used
to rock and roll, which is kind of an interesting
song because it's just literally about like this guy goes
to this wedding and he's like, I knew this. You know,
(01:03:15):
we were quote unquote close friends whatever that means, uh,
And literally they were like we were close friends, and
she used to just be really wild, and now she's
like settling down with all these things, and like basically
just talked about like she would have gone with none
of this like a couple of years ago, you know
what I mean, Like she would have never considered any
of this, and now she's getting married and I'm at
the wedding. So I just really like it cause it's
(01:03:36):
just like it's a very interesting perspective, and I was like,
this is a really interesting thing to write a song about.
So I really like the lyrics of it because it's
just very humdrum and also just like very real, but
in a unique way, because it's like, you know, you
don't think about that all the time, Like if you
go to a wedding and you're like, oh, yeah, I
used to know this person as a completely different person,
but uh yeah, I'm definitely that kind of white person
(01:03:57):
that's and and and and and and and and and
and and.
Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And and you know all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
But let's just get that on a loop for for
the end, to just play back and.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
And and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and and
and and and and.
Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Well, it's one of the dumbest endings we've ever done,
but here we are. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Thanks for listening to the BIS tape. You're All Things Music,
Business and Media podcast. We sure do appreciate you out there.
If you want to go one step further, we're pretty
much the BIS tape everywhere and even on threads now
as we were talking about on the show, as well
as if you want to rate our show pretty much
where ever you listening, good, bad, whatever, you know, we
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(01:04:54):
you again for listening and we hope to see you
next time.
Colleen Ballinger, an apology and a ukulele, and threats winning
the battle against Twitter.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're listening to the biz Tape.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to the biz Tape.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're all things music, business and media podcasts. I'm your host,
Colin McKay, with my lovely host back in the Coast,
Joseph Waizleski.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hell yeah, I guess you were on the coast host.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Joe's back from Alaska doing
some work out there with.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
A lot of fish.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, I got to see a lot of fish. I
got to see a lot of rowdy people, sweaty in
the rain doing the music festival thing.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So yeah, that sounds that sounds rowdy was the term. Yeah, anyway, I.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Would say very coded for sure. I was.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We were just talking about how Joe saw no animal,
so I just was like, did you see a moose?
Because like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Know if I saw animals, but they were human.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Lam, You're like, God, it's like one of those nerdy
kids in classes, like, actually, animals are human beings as well.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I remember when people got mad at us for calling
people nerds ironically, you know, then it begged me the
question of like who is calling nerds or like who
is calling people nerds? Un ironically? Like who's doing that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It reminded me of.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That portlandy a bit where he's like where like the
girl's like, I'm such a nerd and then the guy
that comes out through the fourth wall and it's like, Hi,
I'm actually a nerd and that's offensive to me. My
name is Brian. I run a DM position here at
the game Shack. I have a very small group of friends,
so you hopping on this train with these black rimmed
(02:03):
glasses does me no service. But yeah, like that, I
do all of that show. But like, uh no, I
was talking to a joke because I was like, you've
seen no animals because I I like, I want to
see a moose because they're just like they're just like aliens. Dude,
Like I didn't realize until I saw like cell phone
footage of like a moose up close. It's just like
looking at an alien. They'll kill you, terrifying.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, it's like especially at night, it's like you have
like the the night vision thing and it's it's just
there's an eeriness to it.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
God, yeah, they're they're creepy. I don't know, like uh,
look up moose found footage. I'm sure you'll find something.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But uh, yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
A lot of colin I saw mosquitos.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Apparently, apparently you said that's a thing up there's the
mosquitos are super bad, which I didn't think that they
would be because you're in Alaska, but apparently the opposite.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well apparently it's because of like so everything melts and
all the moisture still water.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, and then they can breed in it. Okay, that
makes exactly. The whole state is covered in mosquitoes.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Pretty much. Please come to you, please come, But it's
so gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's such a gorgeous state, and if you have the
opportunity to go, you should definitely go.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, we're glad to have you with us, and we're
sorry for the delay because of the technical difficulties and
we appreciate our fans bearing with us on that one.
We were chased by moose or is the pooral I've
been told on the pillow propter mess Anyway, Joe, I
don't know moose. And that's a Brian Reagan joke for you.
How many comedians can call on quote in one episode
(03:47):
is basically this own drinking game. But Joe, I think
we should start with you because mine mine, I cannot
believe we haven't talked about yet, but I was like,
we got to talk about this eventually, but I want
to start with you because obviously, to be honest, this
is probably.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The bigger deal going on with the world right now.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Which is Joe's clothing his threads.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Am I right, that's what threads.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
My threads are going viral as they often do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's literally what that term used to be about. And
now now we've lost it forever.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You think about that, like.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, it's it's you know, I can so if you
don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about Meta's
newest app. Meta aka Facebook of their newest app called
Threads and Threads is a tech based social media platform
that is very very similar, strikingly similar actually to Twitter's UI,
(04:38):
and it's being used as a direct competitor in the space.
But what the thing that I'm envisioning is just like
a bunch of Meta execs that are all like above
the age of like fifty five. They're like, what do
kids like these days? Like, what's the catchy term that
we can grab them. It's like threat, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know what kids are talking about. They're talking about
their clothes, they're talking about their they're talking about their
doude ads, their threads, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, and it's always like, yeah, that's genius. In fact,
we'll have a knockoff d pop store called Threads too.
But the Zuck himself had announced on Threads that the
app has hit one hundred million sign ups in just
five days, which is unprecedented. Yeah, it's kind of insane
(05:30):
because it's never it's never been done before like this
many sign ups. People often think, like, what was the
other big like blow up social media app like TikTok.
TikTok was definitely the biggest, but even that was over
a span of months, and this was over a span
of hours and days, So it's been pretty it's pretty crazy.
(05:53):
And like to compare, Twitter's whole user base is three
hundred million. Facebook has one hundred million in the first week,
so of course Twitter is freaking out. But according to Forbes,
there's like eight reasons why the app has like really
taken off the cool name. It has to do. Yeah,
(06:15):
it's really it's it's just the name.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That weird lowercase and symbol. I you know people, I
hire me Forbes, I got so many, I got so
much here it's already in dark mode. These are all
real reasons that people obviously get on apps.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I love the dark mode aspect, but I'm not I'm
not really down for the logo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Number could have been number four.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It has to deal with Zuckerberg and Ewon comparing Dix
as we learned. All right, number five. Here we go, Joe,
come on, keep up, but no, like ate, Yeah, I
don't know that. I just wanted to throw that in there.
The logo. I literally when I started my threads, that
was like one of the first things I put on.
I went, who came up with this logo?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, it's just it's kind of thrown together, like feels
very thrown together. But like so, the main reason right
that it's working is credibility and infrastructure, And it's because
Meta already has Facebook, What's app, Messenger, Instagram, and now
it has Threads, and people really.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Forget the power WhatsApp a lot, I mean so many.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Oh yeah, WhatsApp is what people text everywhere outside of
the US, that's what what people use.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
To Instagram is still a big you know, Pillar of
society and then facebooks. It's still it's weird, but it's
still there. So it's like, don't discount them because you know,
we make jokes about Facebook.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But maintaining Facebook. But they are trying to separate themselves
from Facebook, at least from a pr side, because of
the like election cycle stuff that came out right of
like people.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh the Britannica. Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So it's like there's still a lot of controversy with
that and that still is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But also they handle so many they so they handle
so many social media companies, so they outgrew the Facebook name.
That's why they're called Meta now.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So yeah, even though like the majority, it seems like
the majority of people are very much on board with
the app and are actually like rooting for Meta, which
is not very that's a good yeah, it's it's very new,
but it's because, uh, Twitter, which is another reason, is
(08:26):
pretty much just a dumpster fire and has been for
the past year ever since Elon Musk stepped in and
basically demolished the entire Twitter team by just firing departments,
Like I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely true, and then I got it.
We got to mention right, because I was talking to
some other industry people at an event the other day.
This literally happened at the same time that Twitter is like, hey,
if you don't pay us money, you can only see
six hundred tweets today, Like the same week that that happened,
Twitter said you can only see six hundred tweets today
unless you paid for Twitter Blue. And so literally they
took this sinking ship through a match on it, and
(09:04):
then here comes Meta with Threads that's like, hey, we're
still floating by and we're pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Come on board. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So and another like main reason that it's taking off too,
is like if you're signing up the Threads, you're hooking
it into your Instagram account. So it's kind of like
it's kind of like how Messenger is very much directly
paired with Facebook, but instead you kind of you log
into the Threads like app. Once you get in, it
(09:33):
hooks into your Instagram account and it automatically follows people
for you, and it has like your followers can opt
into following you automatically if you join the app, So
it completely solves what the app's called cold start, which
is you get on a new app you're kind of
just meandering around for like a good year before you
(09:54):
actually start like having people follow you or you following people,
and you're kind of just like figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Can I give you a good example of that too.
One of the people that I talked to a lot,
she was telling me because she's a social media manager
and she helps with a bunch of artists and stuff
that like one of the things that she wanted to
do is get all these people to make their threads
just to like, you know, save their handles and stuff
like that. And you know, obviously starting a new social
media for any artist is almost like very fatiguing because
(10:22):
you're like, oh god again, and there's another one, right,
why should I do this? So you kind of have
to sell it. And one of the selling points that
she said was very easy to say was, Hey, you
don't have to start at zero, right. You guys all
have Instagram's already, So just sign up with the Instagram.
It's not like you have to put your email in
and make a log in or whatever. Just hit that
(10:43):
and then it'll follow everybody and everybody else will follow you.
So I like hit on that point. That cold start
problem is such a big deal. And since like it
seems most human you know, beings who are on social
media have Instagram already, it just was a kind of
perfect solution to that. Although I will say, Joe, which
I was talking to somebody else that did this at
(11:05):
the start of it, if you haven't made your threads yet.
One thing I learned from talking to some people is
that at the beginning, Joe's right, and they'll say, hey,
do you want to follow your Instagram such like, you know,
followers and stuff like that. Right, it'll ask you that,
and if you say no, it'll never ask you that again,
which is rough because one of them said, oh my god,
(11:26):
I accidentally did that and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Now I have to do the cold start.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So just a little if you're not on the threads
train yet, it's just a warning.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It's easier to just follow everybody and then unfollow the
people you don't want to see, like and I saw
like a bunch of people being like, oh, I don't
want to see photographers hot takes on here. And you
know what I take from that, Okay, because I have
some great hot takes, all right, and I have some
great threads. Colin would you like me to read you
(11:54):
my threads so that everybody knows just how much of
a genius I truly am.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh right, let's see the camera. Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Number one Sparkle Emoji Mightley Cyrus Flowers blasting over a
video of earwax cleaning in Sparkle Emochi.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Mine, mine currently is, and which is still a thing
in my mind has said this app was a long
game plot by Meta employees who couldn't get enough Twitter followers.
You cannot convince me otherwise.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, But what's funny is like everybody was making jokes
of you know, those early days of Facebook, Like we
all got on Facebook and made the most cringey posts
and like aged so poorly, and you're just like, oh,
it's so embarrassing. And that's definitely what threads is gonna
be ten years and in Meta will do what Meta does,
(12:50):
which is basically just like pull up the same five
posts for you every year that it was supposed to cringe.
But what's another reason that like threats has kind of
taken off is the algorithmic feed, which most people aren't
complaining about at this moment, mostly because it's just already
(13:15):
integrated into the platform so much better than like already
having another way the algorithm works, and then like changing
the algorithm later on, where like people are used to
one thing and then they don't get used to the
other thing. So, according to The Verge and Forbes is
that this algorithm is pretty much it's kind of like
(13:39):
cookie cutter Twitter, except what they're trying to do is
they're trying to have conversation that's like more fun and
less doomsday. Whereas Twitter really relied on the heavy like
news outlet, oh absolute doom scroll aspect, Meta is trying
to go a different route with it and keep it fun,
keep it light, which.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know you can.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna say you can have like a pretty
varying opinion about that, because as much as Joe and
I have crap on Twitter in recent times, since Elon.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Has got into the fun, you know, fun of Twitter.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Like the one thing that I still stayed on all
the time about Twitter is Twitter still has a niche
which was like literally breaking information and news and conversation
about that, which I really liked. And so I was
hoping as someone who felt like they never got on
the Twitter bus at the right time, that this would
have that aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So I'm not very excited to hear that.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I did not know that was kind of a goal
of them, because I you know, as much as I
love that, it's it's a little bit weird because the
one thing I will say, and maybe this is also
part of their ploy, is I feel like we see
it as a direct competitor to Twitter for obvious reasons,
but you know, who's also like a pretty fun place
most of the time and has a lot of conversation
(14:58):
and has been dying recently and losing moderators and losing
a lot of money Reddit. So I wonder if that's
also part of it, because if you go to these
subreddits and it's like, you know, something like this is
the Borderway and the subreddit, it's not like they're going
to talk about death and doom. They're gonna be like, hey,
my character is a level sixty nine character and I'm
trying to get max farm and we're just having a
fun time here or something, right, So I wonder if
(15:20):
they're going after that market as well that's been very
dissatisfied as of late.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They really should hit the Farmville market back really hard,
just get the full nostalgia going.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
What do you mean it's another reason I'm still playing
love this. That farm has been I've been feeding.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I've been feeding those goddamn cows since twenty ten. You
cannot tell me otherwise. I know you've known me for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Joe. This is I already I.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You thought that the big reveal is that I was
playing You thought the big reveal is that I was
playing RuneScape in like twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You thought that was it. It is not.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is farm Villa's a masked farm. Bill that has
been the facade. I don't even understand RuneScape.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Wow, you're really blowing my mind.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The main thing you should take away from this is
that Colin is not playing RuneScape, because that's never happened anyway,
Keep going, Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But yeah, they're playing on the nostalgia appeal, which a
lot of people in the beginning, Well what was fun?
I think that that honestly, this article leaves out as
well as like when you're joining If you joined Threads
in the first like week, it was blowing up, like
people were posting stuff NonStop. There's content everywhere. It felt
(16:34):
like you were part of like this very new thing
that like other social media platforms, Yeah, it like suffers
from that cold start of like it doesn't even know
what you like yet, it doesn't even know like what's
going on, and so it feels more of like, oh,
I see the people I wanted to see on my
Instagram feed that I never see, but now I can
(16:54):
see them on this feed. And so it was like
very like light and like people were kind of like
enjoying kind of going back to a text based platform.
And what's even better too, is that a lot of
the media handling that threads has is a lot better
than Instagram media handling, So it doesn't like degrade the
(17:17):
quality of like your photos or footage as hard as
Instagram does. And part of that is I think due
to maybe some of the knowledge from Twitter as well,
because Twitter was arguably the best platform for media who
had the crispist look out of everything else that I
(17:37):
think was very much overlooked in the grand scheme.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I have fun a disagreement with that, and I will
tell you what it is, and I've said it to
this day. With Twitter, I hated the multi thread Twitter feeds.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean, but that's just kind of I feel like,
I think this app does it just.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Comment on the thing and then you can add more
to the comment and do that as opposed to just
like one out of twenty five and here's my manifesto
on Twitter that was always annoying to me, especially if
it was like serious stuff like a president of the
United States or like you know what I mean, like
a UN member, and it's like, okay, let me say
this over thirty tweets that are out of order now
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like hate that.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, it's it's a lot more like streamlined, and you
can kind of like carry in the conversation easier and faster,
and it's it's more inviting to actually like kind of
jump around and stuff. But another aspect, which this will
not be lasting too much longer, maybe not even in
(18:41):
the next couple of days, but currently there are no
ads that you can see on threads, which people are
enjoying a lot, but expect that to change to change
very very recently. As like with every social media platform ever,
they're they're trying to get people and traffic and so
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that they can sell things to you. That is how
they make their money back, absolutely money for their investors,
which Meta desperately needs after the flop that was the metaverse,
you know, that thing that they changed their real name
and personality to. Yeah, the thing that flopped really really badly.
That that's what they're trying to avoid again. So they're
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doing what they're what I think Facebook and Meta does best,
which is being in social media and kind of taking
an idea and arguably stealing an idea and then kind
of adding on to it, doing things better, twisting things around.
And also there's a new audience for this platform. There's
a whole brand new audience. People forget that there are
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teenagers that were born post Twitter that you know, didn't
jump on the Twitter bandwagon like when it was a thing.
And so a lot of people are kind of expperiencing
this new thing, and especially from like a world perspective,
Facebook still to this day has the biggest social media
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and web presence out of any other site on the planet.
This is like what whether people out of the country
get their news, they get their stories, they see their friends,
they see influencers, they see ads, blah blah blah. They
have so many people on Facebook, on these platforms and
(20:29):
so being able to automatically integrate them into this and
make it easy and then accessible has gone along a
long way with like the subscriber numbers, and I think
what's crazy too, is it as it stands now, a
lot of people are actually using the platform. Everybody's threading.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh I hate that. Yeah, it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I hate it so much. But that's what people are saying.
So I guess we're gonna we're metaing as well doing
but switching lanes here the opposite end. Twitter is very
great off. Yeah, they're they're doing not so great.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Actually, they're like, we wanted more competition.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's what they told me. That's what Elon said. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Twitter threatened the lawsuit over using confidential trade secrets about
Twitter and said that they are using it to support
the Threads platform, and Elon Musk's personal lawyer and now
apparently the lawyer for all of Twitter uh sent a
letter in which he basically told Twitter to or told
(21:37):
Threads to halt what they were doing as they basically
stole there. He claimed that like, oh, you hired a
bunch of people from Twitter after we fired them, and
you got them to make this platform, which if they
did do that, genius, genius, it's genius. But as meta
(21:59):
states they did not do that, which you know, I
don't know how true that is. Andy Stone stated that
quote no one on the Threads engineering team is a
former Twitter employee.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's just not a thing.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Also, all the public responses from Meta to Twitter have
been through Threads, which I think is such a flex
because people are covering Threads way more than Twitter at
this point. Elon's I mean, it's hard to say, I Colin,
(22:39):
I guess like, let's open it up to discussion here.
But do you think that like Twitter is pretty much
dead in the water at this point, like they've lost
the momentum. It's just not going to come back. And
also do you think that like they have a legal
leg to stand on here.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Okay, this is a big questions. Let's just start off
at the first one. I think that currently Threads has
the upper hand for sure, there's no denying that. I
think Twitter currently still has the kind of content that
I personally want in some factors such as like kind
(23:19):
of that breaking news, you know, active conversation about something happen,
all that kind of stuff. But I think that they
will have that migrate all over. But like you were saying,
if it's maybe Meta's idea to keep it light here,
I maybe see that actually being a positive to Twitter,
because as much as everyone's like Twitter is aggressive and
(23:40):
like just full of like very you know basically people
that are done with the world almost like they're just
done with like trying to help society. They're just anarchists
almost right, Like people crave that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think people crave and open forum to like comment
and talk about in a sometimes aggressive way. I mean,
obviously there's a very unhealthy way of doing that, and
there's a dangerous way of doing that, which is why
moderation has to exist. But I think that without like
Meta taking a dipping their toes into more of like,
(24:16):
oh okay, we can do content just like Twitter, Twitter
still has a place. But I don't see them not
going into that niche more and I don't see the
platform developing by itself in that way. I think that
in terms of Twitter's legal uh standing, I think it's
almost nothing like it's amazing to me unless they have
(24:40):
some secret you know, bug in the meta office that
can tell them, hey, we copy it all this code
from Twitter. I don't know what to tell you. Twitter
did not invent a timeline with text, right, they popularized it,
but they didn't invent that idea.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So arguing that they stole from Facebook if you really want.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
To, right, and so like, I think that, you know,
that is just you know, water in the bridge. I
think they're just throwing fire to throw fire to maybe
make any chance of you know, Meta reversing happened, you know,
and I'd be interested to see if they try to
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take it to anything. I mean, we're gonna have to
follow that for later weeks, so subscribe here, sorry promo.
But like, yeah, I just think that at the end
of the day, it doesn't seem to me that they
could have some standing on it unless they have literally
a secret bug in there that goes, oh, we we
have proof that Meta stole Twitter code and somehow trade secrets.
But right now, I think it's just based off intimidation
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and it's not gonna work because you know, Meta, to
be quite honest, is a bigger company than Twitter, you
know what I mean. And so it's not like if
they went toe to toe, I Meta is gonna win
just legally with money, you know, unless they have some
really really big argument I've never heard of. But I
don't know about you, Joe, But what do you think,
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because like I know, you have a different perspective on
a lot of stuff. What do you think about this
like thread space? Do we think that, like you're saying,
do you think it'll overcome Twitter completely? Do you think
Twitter still has a place?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think that Twitter is has been dead since Elon
Musk fired everybody. I think that I think that he
is not going to last. There has to be significant
changes as well as significant investments that Elon has to
put in in order to turn the ship around. They
(26:39):
have to pull back on all of this paid bullshit
because it's just not how Twitter has worked previously and
not what people are connecting to subscriber wise, like to
move a free platform to a subscriber platform and then
jerk people around like that, not even like ease people
into it. It's like it's pretty telling how Elon doesn't
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even really understand the social media landscape from a business perspective.
You know, he comes from a technology standpoint, He doesn't
buy the social media. Yeah, you have to treat social
media as a media company, not as a not as
a you know, physical product of like moving product in
(27:27):
like especially are just gonna jump Yeah, he's assuming that
people are just gonna jump on board because they've been
on Twitter and they love Twitter just as much as Elon.
But the truth of the matter is people are gonna
jump to whatever platform is the most entertaining for them
and what they feel that they're getting the best experience
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out of, and Twitter is abysmal at this point. It's
not it's not a good user experience. It's very glitchy.
It's surprise the lights are even turned on.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There's a couple things with this that I will say,
which is that, like I do think totally threads as
the upper hand, but it's like, you know, they're walking
on a type rope right now, you know what I mean,
Like they have some questions and concerns to address to
consumers of this before you know, it's kind of in
the bag.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
We beat Twitter, right.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Obviously you put the big one in the room, the
no ads thing. How are these ads going to get implemented?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Because that's that's the biggest thing is because I think
this is the thing that Facebook does well. They monitor
other social media apps. They see when like an app
is starting to dwindle, and that's when they pounce and
launch their new thing that's pretty much a clone of
whatever was the other thing. Like I mean we saw
(28:47):
with Snapchat and Stories, right, such a big Yeah, that
was such a big thing. Snapchat was struggling so hard.
It's actually kind of insane how they managed to turn
that ship around. And I was wrong about that. I
thought Snapchat was dead because they had a massive flood
of deleted accounts happened during that process, and they were
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just pushing content that just was not connecting to a
majority of people. And to be honest, I still think
Snapchat struggles on that end with older audiences. I don't
think that, you know, I think it's crazy they've captured
gen Z's attention, and I think a lot of it
has to do with privacy. I think gen Z is
(29:30):
very attracted to privacy and private conversations and like being
able to kind of live in the moment situation.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
But I do think that, like when it comes to Twitter,
this was such a like this was a long time coming,
right of Elon thinking that, oh, we're fine, like we
don't have to worry about the other competitors because there's
nothing like Twitter, Like nobody could really copy us. And
(30:00):
then the monolith technology company that is Facebook, Meta has
has made their whole business model in the past fifteen
years copying people, right.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And I think also like they definitely saw the cracks forming,
and they took their time and they developed an app,
and you know, the app worked day one and it
you know, did everything Twitter did, and like, you know
that that is an achievement in itself, is that they
did see they saw a need, and they rose to
the occasion to try to make it. But obviously this
(30:34):
is a marathon, not a sprint, right, So I'd be
interested again, like you're saying, well, how the ads will
be implemented, if they're going to be implemented in like
a subtle way at first or more aggressive, or maybe
we will see them try to put a payment option
on here.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The other option that I'm curious about specifically because it's
meta is one of the things that Twitter does pretty
well is like little clips of media, right. And it's
so funny because Twitter, for a lot of people before
TikTok and even during before and around when Vine was
(31:13):
up and then gone, Twitter was the short form video
content king, if you think about it, because YouTube was
like a minute two minute videos at the time, maybe
five ten minutes if it's longer, right, But like Twitter
had a very big like section of like video because
(31:33):
it was just like a little video that was like,
for instance, I saw one today like on threads, right,
that's like aoc to basketball game and it's like somebody
you know, making a dunk and then the video's over, right,
And so I wonder from meta's perspective, if they're going
to try to integrate reels somehow, you know what I mean,
and the idea of like putting reels in there, and
(31:55):
I wonder in the same way if they will dissuade
tiktoks from getting on the platform. So that's where I'm
curious about as well, is how they're gonna implement some
of that media content there as well. I mean, also,
I will say Twitter does have some other features that
Threads does not have. I mean, technically we don't have spaces.
Technically we don't have like I'm pretty sure you can
(32:17):
do some Twitter lives, And that's what I'm gonna say.
Space psychopaths are well I knew, I knew a couple
things that use spaces, and it was mostly like guys
who were like day traders.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So I think that like at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Which you could argue Discord does the same.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Thing, right, And I think for a lot of things
when it comes to the features that they are missing,
it's more of a mindset of cutting the fat off
that was Twitter versus you know, oh we lost this
important feature. So yeah, I think that Threads has started
miraculously in a very strong footing. I think, uh Twitter,
(32:58):
And to be honest, maybe this would stop. But if
I was still somehow working at Twitter, I would be like,
can I go work at Threads? Do you guys need
more people to do stuff like this? That that would
be my first thought, you know what I mean. But
maybe they wouldn't do that if Elon's flying, you know,
throwing a lawsuit out there potentially is hire a Twitter enployee.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Well, but that's another thing to touch on, which is
the legal standing of this right which I think my
from my perspective, I even if they have a leg
to stand on, Twitter does not have the capital to
go against Facebook in a legal battle.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, just and that's what I'm saying that they're like
they've lost so much capital.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Meta is a.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Superiorly bigger company, So they're just gonna run them dry
with you know, Oh, this is gonna take ten years
longer to make this lawsuit go through, and then you
probably aren't gonna win. Absolutely not well.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
And also Elon just being he's lost. To be honest,
he's lost a lot of money in this this buyout,
this Twitter buyout, So it's not like he's going to
want to sync any more money into it. At least
if he's smart about it, he wouldn't want to do that.
He'd want to kind of just stand by and like
really invest into the company itself and try to beat
(34:14):
it out naturally, or you know, just make it Twitter again,
hire those people you fired back. But I doubt that
anybody's going to want to go back.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Into now, especially now that they know, especially since Twitter
did have that kind of you know, monolithic space of
text based social media and now they've lost it. Now
they actually have another, you know, viable competitor. Right, I
wouldn't want to go back there because I would feel like, wow,
(34:42):
this seems like the sinking ship to go back to
my other metaphor. So I don't know, you know, for Twitter,
I think it's going to be a rough time coming.
And I think that you know, Twitter is already in
so much crap with other lawsuits that are awedged to
against them for you know, wrongful determination, all these kind
(35:03):
of stuff. So I I just like you're saying, if
it wasn't even just like if Twitter existed and was
a healthy company and was like making money and a
good amount or whatever, and they wanted to go against Meta,
that's one thing. But as a company that's been on
the decline in terms of money, in terms of how
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the public views them, and in terms of the many
lawsuits that are against them, they just have no steam
for this. I mean, if we were talking about, like, hey,
TikTok's coming to sue Meta for this, okay, makes sense
to me. That seems like the same weight class. But
now you know, it's this is crazy, So I don't know,
you know, I think, like you said, Elon has was
(35:47):
probably the beginning start of it. But also from when
I remember Twitter had always been for a lot of people,
like their number three app for a while, right, it
was always like Instagram, and then you know, basically I
would say sometimes Facebook, if you're a little bit older,
sometimes it would be TikTok, you know, And it was
(36:07):
always like number three, and now it's becoming number four,
number five, number six, you know what I mean. So
that's scary for a social media company. So I don't know,
we'll see how it goes. I think that there's no
better footing for metas start off with. And I think
that we are in a good shape to actually see
(36:29):
competition in the space for once in our lives, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, So well, follow our threads. Yeah, there you go,
follow our threads.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I do like to say random things in our threats,
so we'll see what's going on there. Yeah, BIZ tape
pretty much everywhere, including threads. Now, I guess I'm gonna
have to update our little bio that usually put in here.
I'm gonna do it right now.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I think what we might do on threads because I've
been thinking. I feel like we would be the most
active there, because it's like we could just I almost
a tweet, we get thread out like articles, and.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I will say, I will say that we got to
come up with a new verb, like we're thready so much.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
We're threading together, we're threatening, we're threatening each other, threatening
each other.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh God, so bad. All right, moving on threading or
not here I come anyway, Joe, Let's get on to
our next story. That's uh more is very much serious
but has become a absolute ridicule, uh you know, for
(37:45):
lack of a better term, shit show. And it is
about Colleen Ballinger, which she's she was talking about the
toxic gossip train, which people who already know this, I've
already triggered you and you know what I'm going to
talk about. But for the uninitiated, I'm going to explain it.
So bear with me if you know what I'm talking about.
Joe and I actually have talked about this zero, so
(38:05):
it's gonna be really fun. So Colleen Ballinger aka Miranda Sings,
if you also know her like character name was like
I remember Joe when we were growing up.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
She was a very.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Big, like first one of the first big people I
remember getting really big on YouTube and getting out of
the space right and basically she had this character that
was called Miranda Sings and it was on YouTube, I think,
and I was reading it was all the way back
in two thousand and eight, which you know YouTube started
in two thousand and six, so she's been on the
she's one of the OG's like literally and so like
(38:41):
it was a very kid centric character, and it like
you've probably seen her before. You know, She's got this
like very like huge kind of like smile slash like
Grimace at the same time, with like make up all
over her face and like lipstick all over her face
and stuff. And it was just like this like fun
(39:01):
little character that she went around on YouTube and made
bits with and everything. And the character was really awkward
and funny, and then it like ballooned to do this
giant entertainment beast. Like she started doing like live show tours.
She started like she was on Broadway and the musical
Waitress and stuff like that, right, but she ballooned into
this like giant character, and then people really became attached
(39:25):
to her and her story and everything. So she was
a very big person that like almost was like a
shining star of like look at this YouTube star just
came on YouTube and became like a real star. Right
cut to today, basically in the last two weeks, her
career has gone completely downhill. And I gotta tell you
(39:48):
kind of part of the story. But I'm gonna tell
you right now, it's not even close to the amount
of allegations that are out about Bunger. So you're gonna
have to do your own research about that, but I'm
gonna give you kind of some of the things, and
then we're going to get into this apology video that
I guarantee you probably know what it is, even if
you don't know what it is. So basically, she has
(40:08):
a lot of allegations of misconduct in the past, and
they finally accumulated together over these last three years. Specifically,
I let Billboard take it away. Basically Billboard says quote.
The allegation surrounding Balinger's behavior with her fans first began
in twenty twenty, when YouTuber Alan mcint sorry Adam McIntyre
(40:29):
claiming that the comedian had a personal friendship with him
when he was just a teenager and she was in
her thirties. He added that he would help with her
social media and would be frequently put in uncomfortable situations,
specifically noting that at one point Ballinger sent him Laningeriy
as a joke. At the time, Ballinger denied some of
(40:51):
his allegations in a video. Okay, and so some time
moves on and some more people were coming out right,
and that this was the big one that came out.
More allegation came out again from Billboard resurface last month,
literally from this YouTuber called Cody Rantz who defends like
basically she he like defended Balleinger against McIntyre's allegations in
(41:14):
twenty twenty and alleged that Balinger privately shared screenshots of
messages with McIntyre and a fan group and showed screenshots
and are now the lead of video in which Balinger
asked the group of her fans quote their favorite sex
positions and among a bunch of other inimportant questions right now. So,
like she was doing some really creepy things with young kids.
(41:37):
Basically she had this kind of the definition of no
boundaries relationship with her fans. There's other allegations that she
was showing like, you know, pornographic kind of content as
like in a joking way to these children. There's other
allegations that she would make people do uncomfortable things on stage,
like reach into her pants and stuff on stage like
(42:00):
when she was a kid, like when the when these
people were kids, you know, So it's like there's so
many of them, I can't do it justice and it's
a little bit beyond the scope of the show. But
the reason I want to talk about it is because
Joe and I love to talk about apology videos, right,
we love to talk everything. I love to talk about it,
but we'd love to talk about the idea of like,
(42:22):
you know, you have an allegation, you have something going on,
and how you respond to that. And Colleen, in her
infinite wisdom, decided to make a ten minute long defense
about it. Right, Okay, ten minutes it feels like, you know, short,
but also good enough time to get all the allegations
it would be if she didn't sing and play the
(42:43):
ukulele the entire time. So literally, Colleen is in this
video and she like it's first off, like she starts
the video and she's just playing ukulele, and you know,
and at first everyone's like, is she gonna play ukulele
the whole time? She plays ukulele the entire video, and
(43:04):
she makes this quote unquote kind of defense.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
I don't even want to call.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It an apology video, Like it's just basically like, no,
this didn't happen, without getting into specifics at all, And
if you've seen a girl with the ukulele all over
like TikTok or Instagram or whatever. That's Colleen if you're
putting it together and you're in the audience, So like,
that's who everyone's been making fun of for two weeks. Basically,
(43:29):
she like basically sings her retorts the entire time and
kind of does like these long monolog bits, right, she
like again playing the ukulele the whole time, and she
one of my favorite parts of the video. She starts
off saying her team strongly advised her not to say anything,
so then like in a really snarky way, she goes,
they didn't say I couldn't sing it, which I'm like, Colleen,
(43:53):
you're literally.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
As a pr representative, it must be. It must have
been so fun to watch that. I'm sure, look at
all this horrible work I'm gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right that, and the victims here who you know, are like,
oh well, maybe she has some thoughtful response and staid,
She's like singing all of this stuff out on the ukulele.
I would love to play some of it of you
if you're uninitiated, and I can't. And I'm going to
explain later why, but I'm gonna tell you right now
(44:22):
it's totally worth watching like a minute or so. And
yes she does play and singing the entire ten minutes,
so you don't have to listen to all ten minutes.
If you feel like you want to listen all ten minutes,
you go ahead. I don't think you're gonna gleam anything.
And the apology did not go well anyway. I think
what is really funny here is that probably and Joe,
you would agree with this. I would imagine if you
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were on our team and this came across their desk,
you know, and they were like, hey, you shouldn't do
anything or say anything, right, I would be like, it's
probably gonna be like how it was before, where in
twenty twenty this McIntyre made these allegations and then they
just kind of went in the way, Right, That's what
I would advise, basically, Right, why don't you see how
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this plays out or whatever. So Colleen, in my opinion,
I'm sure Joe agrees with this too, made the worst
decision ever and decided to make this into the biggest
blow up I've seen of an apology video in literally
probably ten years. Like, this issue has gotten way bigger
than I ever thought. The story could have gotten even
(45:25):
though the story is so serious that it should get
this big, but it's totally because Colleen did this in
this like very snarky musical way that's so memable it's insane. Currently,
the video Joe sits at eleven million views yep, and
she's not taking it down eleven million views. She's being
(45:46):
mocked to Helen back basically across the internet. For obviously
the format of the video because she's like singing and
this whole entire response the entire time. Another one that
people got is like the level of rehearsal, because it's
extremely well rehearsed, like the entire thing, which in terms
of apologies and stuff, you don't like to seem that
you're rehearsed, you know what I mean, Like you want
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to seem like you're coming across actually sincerely, which the
ukulele doesn't help with that. As well as like the
clear lack of answers that Colleen gives. She basically is
like nah, and she she says all the time in
that she goes, uh, I'm just a loser, I'm not
a groomer, and you're like, oh, okay, anyway, So.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Colleen it's like, is this real life? So Joe yo
enjoy this?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And since everybody loves when me and Joe talk about
generational theory, Colleen has kept the comments live on that
video for some reason, and most of them have a
lot of up votes and like just rail, like completely
rail the entire performance right, And so someone because of
her age and like with the ukulele, which Joe's gonna
(46:53):
enjoy and it's the most like comment on the video goes,
this is so painfully millennial, which a thirty six year
old with a ukulele is the most millennial thing I've ever
heard making an apology video?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Are you kidding me? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So that, like I said, we're talking about this because
of the apology angle, and it's just getting worse and worse.
The accusations are piling on now as more people you know,
find the courage to talk about what they alleged Colleen
has done right, and more big creators have joined on
the fund because it's just so memeable like it is,
so it is a disservice to herself because the main
(47:31):
chorus of the song is too catchy, like it I
sing it all the time at work. I'm going the
toxic goss train like it's it. She did herself a
disservice to be this memorable. Like anyway, the reason why
I can't play you the video, Let's get into that. Basically,
(47:51):
this is all alleged, and I will tell you that
Colleen and her lawyers say that she did not do this.
But Joe and I remember used to watch them more
in college. But age three H three came back from
a hiatus and did a live show, right, and they
created a soulful representation of the song to mock and
point out all the insanity. Like Ethan Klein from HGAH
(48:14):
three like basically gets this whole choir kind of group
together and they like play a little like very like
soulful gospel kind of thing for it, so it's really overplayed.
He also gave like more time to the victims to
talk about what was going on, what they felt happened,
(48:34):
all this stuff on this long live stream, right, So
they go through this live stream and then Ethan kind
of tweet I believe threads out as we learned, Ethan
threads out that basically he says that Colleen allegedly registered
the song with CD Baby, which why is that.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Important, Joe. You know why this is important to this.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Story because it monetizes the song, which me on distribution
to all streaming platforms.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Which means also that if you know, again her lawyers
deny this that if it's in CD Baby's database and
uploading the song, this gives her the ability to make
copyright claims on different things that violate her copyright, such
as YouTube. So Ethan got a copyright claim on the
video and apparently he thinks it's Colleen. The lawyers say
(49:27):
that's not us allegedly, right, but he got a copyright
claim saying, hey, you got to take the song on
because it has our copyright of the song, right, And
like this gives if it really was Colleen, this would
give her the ability to do this on other people's videos,
do copyright claims and also take monetization from those videos,
or at least like start a fight argument of fair
(49:51):
use that would keep a video down for a certain
period of time.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
So this is a very big move.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
If she didn't do it, then like they need to
get on it because like this this is making the
situation even worse. Right, I don't know how you feel, Joe,
but like her willersd and I, which I'll give her
the benefit of the doubt, But I don't know how
you feel about that.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Do we do we think maybe Colleen did this?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Oh? I think I think that because I did see
that letter that or the response that they gave a
lot of press outlets basically being like which was a
very delayed response, I might add.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
And no ukulele, so we're already off the standards. That
can you imagine gets out there? We didn't upload this video.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I'm sure it Also the delay had to do with
people quitting because they probably had did not want anything
to do with what's going on.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Oh yeah, something can be so bad. You yeah, you
just get out of that.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
You're just like I'm out of this. Yeah. But I
do think that the letter was a little suspect. It
seemed a little it seemed very defensive. It seemed very
lack of a better term, gas lighty of being like no,
you guys have it wrong, Like this is like this
(51:14):
is totally wrong, Like.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
What's the letter you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (51:17):
The letter is like to the press outlets saying that
like she didn't monetize anything, and that like all this
stuff didn't happen and then there is some evidence that
they're like people ripping the song and then like distributing
it by themselves on DSPs and other platforms and re uploading.
(51:38):
But I do it is when you're getting a copyright
strike on YouTube, it's because a bot is identifying a
certain code in the song that you are playing in
your video, and it can recognize that code and it
flags it. And the only way to get one of
(51:59):
those codes is to copyright it and to distribute it
later on.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
The Other issue I have is that Colleen. A lot
of these distribution companies, they surprise if you'd never put
a song out. They take a surprising amount of information
before you can distribute, Like they want to know who
you are as a person. They want to know who
they're supposed to pay money to, so they'll ask a
lot of information. So, whoever, if somebody else did it,
(52:28):
they're kind of messed up right now, you know what
I mean, Like they're going to get in trouble pretty bad,
like because they have all your information, which is why
it's almost like someone could have taken that risk. But
also Colleen could have just done it, you know, and
if she clearly doesn't want to listen to counsel, like
make an apology video. She might have done it, you
(52:49):
know what I mean. And so I you know, obviously
that we don't know for sure. Her warriors deny it,
but it's kind of hard for me to believe, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
That it's definitely a move that is probably one of
the worst moves she could have done. And so like,
even if she didn't do it right, but like Colleen
is just in the worst place she could possibly be
for seemingly from based on the accusation good reason. And
(53:22):
I think that she basically just shot off, like straight
from the side, straight from the hip, you know, going
I'm mad about this, Da da da da, I'm gonna
do something, and probably your counsel and her probably pr
and all these people are like, let's just not do something,
(53:42):
and she's just ignored that. And this is the consequence
of it is that I still and here's a question
for you, Joe, do you think this story would be
as big as it was that she didn't make this
apology video?
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah, And that's my big I think it's been. So
it was huge deal when it came out, and to
be honest. There were allegations previous of like she was
more so on her personality. I remember in like twenty
twenty and that like initial waves, she managed to survive,
(54:18):
but then like this onslaught happened, and I think like
probably the best thing would have been either to to
be honest, probably the best thing would have been to
just not say anything yea in this situation and to
handle it legally as opposed to being a very public display.
But she made it a public display. She opened the
(54:40):
floodgates to more eyes and to more criticism, especially with
how she is handling a very very serious, serious situation
that I think there is still like people that are
taking it lightly of like what she is being accused
of doing.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, And I will say that's probably one of the
worst things from this is that the video is overshadowing
in a lot of aspects, like the level of accuations.
But I will say I feel like that that may
be overcome by the amount of people that are being
introduced to the situation, you know what I mean. Yeah,
(55:18):
And so like if you take I literally did not
have to do that much research immediately to find like
this is why people were upset these are all the accusations.
Here's a bunch of that like immediately after, and so
it's it's definitely, like you said, I think, distracting from
the actual situation. But I also think that maybe the
light it shines on it is so bright that the
(55:41):
distraction is way more minimal. And I think also that again,
I completely hold out. I completely hold out. I cannot
believe that the song is almost as catchy as it is,
Like I think that is like one of the things
that has made this way worse for her is that
(56:02):
it's super memorable, Like if it was just like this
shitty little song whatever that had no hooks or whatever, like,
it's just very memorable. Even even Klein, who's gonna copyright
claim on that livestream, goes, if you take it out
of the context, the.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Music of it is catchy, and he.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Says that in the like live stream that was trying
to get.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
A copyright literally below is atana review of this song.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, And so it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
I think this is gas on the fire for this
whole situation. And I think it's interesting because currently, you know,
where a music business podcast. I've never seen music and
music business both combined so well. To literally be the
business of making music to make an apology.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
But here we are.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
I think if you did something bad out there, uh, definitely, definitely.
Don't think a ukulele is just gonna wash away all
your problems.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
I think you need to own up to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
And Colleen, to everyone in her fans, basically decided I'm
not going to by pulling out the ukulele. So god, yeah,
I just this is a one of a kind situation.
I feel like we're not going to see something like
this for a while, you know what I mean, Like
this level of like complete inability to read a room,
(57:24):
you know what I mean. Yeah, And so she she
says it. She says, they tried to tell me not
to do it, and.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
They were right. It's almost like you should listen to
your advisors.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
It's like outside perspective is good.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
She thinks she's an artiste. Yeah, apology, that's true.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
And to be fair, we are adding to the toxic
goss strained anyway, Joe, I want you to know that
in this conversation, since you mentioned Farmville, I was going
to look on Facebook to see if I could look
at the games, and I can so I wanted you
(58:18):
to know that I could play Mobsters to Vandetta right
now if my flash worked, but those bastards took it
away from my browser.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
But so sad.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, it's sad. Anyway, Joe, what have you been listening to?
Speaker 4 (58:32):
I've been listening a lot to the band Coording on
their album Guitar Music. I've mentioned them before, but I
really got the opportunity on that long plane ride to
like actually listen to the full album, and it's.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
It's it's like, I don't know, it has so much
energy to it that I want out of a rock
and roll record. It talks. They have a lot of
descriptions about like what it's like to be an artist
and sell your music. Excuse me, keep that in to
(59:14):
sell your music in like this modern age, especially with
like dealing with label people or dealing with like music
industry people, and so it's kind of like a unique
perspective because it's it's like on one hand, they're like
accepting of it, that this is kind of like what
you have to do, but on another hand, it is
like they're kind of dealing with the turmoil of it.
(59:36):
In the lyrics and I think it's very relatable album
if you've ever made music and tried to make money
off of it.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
Another song that I've been listening to a lot is
called Pistol Whip and it's by Spilltab, which is off
of the record Bonnie, which is also really great. I
got sucked in mostly because the album cover is so cool.
It's like this really really bright like portrait of spill
(01:00:07):
Tab and it's like it's like a digital portrait but
it's like a purple background and she's wearing green and
it's I don't know, it's like really striking. It's so low,
it's like low res but in like the best way.
And then yeah, new Local Natives album Time will Wait
for Nobody for No One, which is a very amazing
(01:00:30):
record as well. It's the story behind this record is
very cool. Each of the members like talk about it
on their own stories, but they so you could tell
it's like a very personal record for them as a band,
and I feel like they're just They're just this band
that's like gotten to this point in their career where
(01:00:51):
it's it is such it's a rarity for bands to
get this far, and I think that you know it's
it's the fact that they're still making music. The fact
that they're still putting out amazing records really shows a
testament to I feel like their creative I guess creative
(01:01:13):
muscles for lack of a better term. Yeah, everybody should
definitely definitely check that out. But what have you been
listening to?
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Let's see, First, the Toxic cost of Trained song stuck
in my head. But I like the Ethan Klein one
on the Age three h three with the full little
gospel because it just makes me laugh. Also, I found
a new song because Joe's gonna be like, this is
the most me story ever about this is the most
comin story ever. So I was at work right and
I've decided to put on this like nineteen eighty nine
(01:01:46):
Huey Lewis concert, right, and I was like, I'm gonna
start it from zero and then we're gonna listen all
two hours of it. And so I started playing it
and there was a song that caught me off guard
because I know he really is pretty well. And I
was like, what song is this and they said, yeah,
I know him pretty well, me and Huey Huey lowiy.
But like one of the songs he said. He was like, oh,
(01:02:08):
the band played in the song on the record, and
like basically that's all he said. And I was like, well,
this isn't their song then, and I found this guy's
name is Nick Lowe, and Nick Lowe was like in
the late seventies early eighties and it's mostly a songwriter.
But they had this like record that was called like
the Rose of England in like nineteen eighty five, and
it was produced by Kube Lewis and one of the
(01:02:30):
songs that is on there was the same song on
the record is called and it's like the most like
if people ask, if they're like calling, what kind of
white person are you? I would be like, I'm the
kind of white person that looks the music goes do
do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do Do Do Do do do do.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
That's exactly what this song.
Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
I like, the idea of just people coming up to
each other and being like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
What kind of white person are Oh? Yeah, I mean
are you?
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Like the catch up is spicy kind of white person,
but like yeah no, but That's what I'm saying. It's
like that that's the kind of white person I am.
And so like I was in the name of the
song is called I Knew the Bribe when she used
to rock and roll, which is kind of an interesting
song because it's just literally about like this guy goes
to this wedding and he's like, I knew this. You know,
(01:03:15):
we were quote unquote close friends whatever that means, uh,
And literally they were like we were close friends, and
she used to just be really wild, and now she's
like settling down with all these things, and like basically
just talked about like she would have gone with none
of this like a couple of years ago, you know
what I mean, Like she would have never considered any
of this, and now she's getting married and I'm at
the wedding. So I just really like it cause it's
(01:03:36):
just like it's a very interesting perspective, and I was like,
this is a really interesting thing to write a song about.
So I really like the lyrics of it because it's
just very humdrum and also just like very real, but
in a unique way, because it's like, you know, you
don't think about that all the time, Like if you
go to a wedding and you're like, oh, yeah, I
used to know this person as a completely different person,
but uh yeah, I'm definitely that kind of white person
(01:03:57):
that's and and and and and and and and and
and and.
Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And and you know all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
But let's just get that on a loop for for
the end, to just play back and.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
And and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and and
and and and and.
Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Well, it's one of the dumbest endings we've ever done,
but here we are. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Thanks for listening to the BIS tape. You're All Things Music,
Business and Media podcast. We sure do appreciate you out there.
If you want to go one step further, we're pretty
much the BIS tape everywhere and even on threads now
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