April 12, 2022 • 51 mins
The Black Effect Presents Charlamagne Tha God and Pusha T as he prepares to release his new album “It’s Almost Dry”, he discusses grieving the loss of his parents, fatherhood, being married and the evolution of an era of rap Music.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Push, what's that? What's up? How are you man making it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
When I when I asked that question nowadays, especially after
the pandemic, like I really be wanting to honest answer,
yeah for just making it. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
I'm making it Okay. The pandemic wasn't so bad for me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, Like my son was born during the pandemic, so
I took that time and looked at that time as
a as a time to like bond with him and
you know, just things that I ordinarily miss out on,
miss out on because I'm traveling, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It was like, no, I'm here for it all. How
is fatherhood changing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Ah, It's made me a lot less, a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Lot more self less.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I feel like I feel like I was like an
extremely selfish person, you know, and now it's like I
don't consider anything without him in mind.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like your time is like they always say your time
as you want vira assets, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
For sure, Like you know, I don't like to leave
for anything actually, And I mean I'm like really very
precious with my time these days, just because like you know,
I miss stuff. You know, you can miss stuff, and
I know how important that is. Actually that helped me focus.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
On this album because I believe it's almost dry as
your best body of work.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, you can you confidently say that, I think so. Why?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, I feel like, you know, I had the best
of both worlds in regard to production and in regard
to people, two people that actually understand who I am
and they like two different things from me. Yes, that
(01:59):
I feel are both really great and so from you know,
just from that aspect, I just feel like, man, this
this body of work is untouchable because it doesn't lean
too heavy on either side. It's like you get the
whole spectrum. Probably my most well rounded body of work.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I wonder why, because you've always had access to Kanye
and both brow Yeah, but I haven't always had time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I haven't always had the time that I needed with
both of them.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And again, I think the pandemic sort of afforded me that,
you know, like I really was during the pandemic, and
you know, I really went down to Miami and sat
at Pharrell's compound and we would get up at six
in the morning and really try to find a record
and maybe we didn't find a record that day, maybe
we just found a melody and then we go ride
(02:50):
by to noon and then you know, then come back
the next day at six in the morning, and you know,
the process was just very like leisurely, and we took
our time and we found everything we were looking for.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It amazes me that after all of these years, you
and Pharrell still find ways to sound fresh.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. Well, that's the goal. That's the goal.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's the goal that I have just as a as
an EMC.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What you call it adult contemporary, don't contemporary hip hop,
temporary hip hop? You know, being forty four and being competitive,
it's like, you know, I never got to watch my greates,
you know, really get to see it all the way through.
(03:37):
You know, they they were they were great for their time,
and then they spent a lot of time saying that,
you know, saying that like, oh man, we all ain't
do it like this when we was out here, and
I feel like that energy made them, you know, sort
of fall to the wayside, be what we call washed today.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And you know that's you know, that's my that's my
new goal, that's my new race. I feel like, you
gotta hip hop is the youngest genre, and I feel
like my era is the era that's going to be
the one that says, you know, we're going to be
able to.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Tour forever or you know, tour forever.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We're going to be you know, Rolling Stones, Fish, Grateful
Dead back in USA today, how long they've been, you know,
dropping albums you two tomorrow and it be like, oh yeah,
this is still like a viable commodity. This is where
we're going to get to see that in hip hop.
I feel like it starts with this generation.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You said that Pharrell gave you feedback that devastated you. Yeah,
because he said he didn't want you to be a
mixtape rapper for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeap.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
How much did that impact this album?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It impacted it a lot. I feel like that's the thing.
When I'm working with Pharrell, He's all about composition. He's
all about song formula, structure. Sure, he wants steroids in
every part of that composition, meaning cadence, flows, sticky hooks, bridges.
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He wants to beat to be a certain way. He
wants to flow in the melodies to be a certain way.
You know, he uses the word composition like you know,
when he was saying, like, yo, I don't want you
to be a mixtape rapper for the rest of your life.
And I was like, you know, to me, it was
it was bothersome because you know, I was. I came
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up with him listening.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
To those same mixtapes, listening to those same Locks freestyles
or riding around you know, aimlessly all day and at
the time his gs lexus you know, used and we
just were like, man, this is what we you know,
we aspired to. We found the greatness in it. And
(05:54):
when he said it to me, I was like, man,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't know if I like that because I don't
know if you still find the greatness And what is
the to me, the cornerstone of this ship that we do.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I wonder, I wonder does he still appreciate the coaching
on What I mean by that is look at the
look at the verses with Loxton, Di said, Yeah, one
of the biggest moments was in Jada.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Did the who shot your freestyle? Right off of mixtape?
You a mixtape rapper?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
For me, it's nothing, you know, for for real, I
feel like he's always trying to knock things out of
the stratosphere. I get the same satisfaction from like a
super strong sixteen that I get from a you know,
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top twenty record, you know, or something that's spending on
radio all day.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's just the rapper in me. That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But I was still confused though, because he said that
after he heard him me.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Clearly, after him clear.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I know, And that was It's ironic because you know,
all of the all of the feedback and fanfare from
just the snippet of hearing me clearly when we was
out in Paris fashion Week set the tone for everything,
the album that he just executive produced with Ego and everything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But that was what set the tone.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And you know, I feel like there's nothing wrong with
what he wants and what he aspires to like make
with us, because he's only going for what's you know,
the biggest and the best. But I feel like that
record and the reaction to that record also let him
(07:45):
know how important that very mixtape sound is or you know,
and especially coming from me, you can I can never
neglect that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Ever, I've never been a radio rapper. So what changed
after that? Comic like, like, what did the album sound
like before that?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
No, that the album has been in the album, because
I mean I took a lot of you know, I
took a lot of direction during this album, like that
was my thing.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I did what.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He said in regard to you know, trying records and
trying versus and trying different patterns. He was like, Yo,
I want you to be a character every time. That's
why you'll hear one eight hundred called my bluff. And
I'm just talking matter of factly because I'm you know,
I'm off the fleck in that moment, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm like trying to really.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know, harness the energy of the joker, but the lighthearted.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I can see here and talk to you all day
and then you know, boom, you know, like that's that's
the energy of it. And he was like, yo, we
have to we have to do character type things.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like that for you to take you to another level.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And you know, it was good that we had this
time because you have to go through a process with him.
And one thing I said I wasn't gonna do was
stop his process because sometimes you know, and it gets tense,
like we you know, we argue, like we argue, we
don't you know, it gets we get angry. You know,
(09:23):
I'm like, man, I don't like that ship. That shit whack.
I'm tired of it, like I just I'm over. He'd
be like, nah, man, listen, all right, let's let's keep going,
and he you know, I'll leave out the studio and
then he keeps hammering away, and then he finds that cord,
you know, and then what was whack to me now
starts looking a little brighter. And then he takes what
(09:45):
I thought was whack and be like, oh, I know
what you don't like. You don't like this sounds sweet,
so hold on, let me strip that away, let me
keep the one that you do like, and then we
start building. But you got to go through the whole
process to get to that, absolutely, and it's long, and
it's tedious, and it's like bolessome at.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Times when it's working if you're trying to make sometimes
for sure, exactly in order to not be a mixtape
rap arty, not be stuck in that mixtape space when
the content of your music have.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
To change drastically, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, I don't think so, because I feel like, you know,
to me, hip hop starts, and it has always been
the streets first.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
That is where all the credibility.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
All of the validation, all of the heat begins for
an artist. And now with social media and just the
way that hip hop is working, everybody has access to
the streets. Whether you live in it, you understand it,
you can see it, you can go on the violent
you know, sites that you know show everything you know
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that that's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And I don't think the content has to change.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I think that people are getting a bird's eye view,
a real good look at life. And you know, man,
Hard Knock Life was one of my favorite albums. Absolutely,
he won the Grammy for it. That's all I want
to make. You got nominated for dayton Yeah, yeah, nominated
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for Daytona.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know, you compare yourself to Martin Scorsese, which I understood,
But Martin Scorsese makes picture.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Does that mean what you write isn't real? No, not
at all.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And what I'm doing right now, I feel like, is
trying to tap into more of the creativity of that.
All of it comes from a real place, but not
everything is one for one and I feel like we
got to as rap artists, we have to sort of
get out of that too, because I'm here to actually
entertain you, or I'm here to entertain you. I'm here
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to like I want you to, like, say, I said
the freshest ship ever. You know what I'm saying, big say,
I'm trying to push seven hundreds. They ain't made them yet.
He's imagining, you know what I'm saying, still ain't made
him yet. But you know he was imagining then and
saying the fly ship. I mean because it's because it's
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not here. That means what that wasn't the dope line?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Noah? Like, I want to like.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Continuously tap into the creativity of my mind, the imagination.
You know, Scorsese does make fiction, but some of it
comes from a real place and some of it is
just gratuitous greatness.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I want to be that I don't. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm really not here to be the realist nigga in
the room right now.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, as far as music goes, I'm not. I'm
not here for that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It makes me think about, like you see what jay
Z and me are trying to do what they don't
have rap lyrics used, for sure, But a lot of
that is a pop fault because about pride itself on
being real.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Hey man, I mean, you know hip hop does pride
itself on being real.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And it was a It was a music made out
of despair, desperation, poverty, reality, the message you know, like
broken glass everywhere. Somebody came outside and just started like
flowing them and giving rhythm to what they were seeing outside.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean, it's not off.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, bro, every music is sort of based off of,
you know, reality.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I mean I'm talking about Negro.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Spirituals, right, you know, were based off of that. The
only thing that was stolen was rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know if that was their reality or not
because they stole it, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
One of the realist records on the album Brambleton. Yeah,
very personal record. Yes, probably one of your most personal records. Yes,
what made you feel free to tell that story? Because
I'm gonna be honest, man, I was hurt. I was
hurt watching the TV. I was hurt watching that, Like,
(14:18):
I was hurt for a couple of different reasons. I
was hurt because I'm looking at somebody that I admired,
you know, have like their name written across their hat.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They're like, you know, they're what do you call it,
their act name or whatever written across the hat. And
I knew at that point where I was like, oh, man,
I don't know who this person is no more, because
that's not that's not where we're from. Then I was
hurt because I felt like, you know, I know him
(14:55):
very well, and I know that he's not a good
speak he's not a good talker, and he knows that
about himself. And I honest I personally think that he
didn't even mean to put it the way that he did,
you know, and he's sense like you know, said in
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other interviews like oh I didn't mean it like that,
so on and so forth. But it was the fact
that he felt that he needed that attention and he
would play with me and you know, do something to
garner some attention that could they could slight me.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
This is somebody that like my mother loves, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
This is somebody who like you know, kids go to
Bible study with my mother when you where you was at.
You know what I'm saying. And I wanted to do
the song because I think that like it really spoke
(15:58):
to it really speaks to who I am, and like
my mentality and everything, whether it's music, the streets, my
mentality has always stayed the same. I've always been a
team player, I've never been a person who looked at
somebody with more than me and was envious of them,
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or because I always knew what role I played, and
I knew my role was always strong. It always has been.
Like I was hurt, Like, man, you know, I called
the teamwork. He called it working for him. I was like, damn,
you know, I remember times, I mean, just being candid,
like I remember times when you know, we're all we
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all are friends.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We're a group of friends. We tight. We I'm talking
about tight as anything. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Somebody fuck up the count, somebody fuck up the money,
we ain't fucking with them because you you know, we
look at this as a whole thing, you know what
I'm saying, as a whole team.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
We stopped, we stopped dealing with you. We end up
beef and so on and so forth. But it was
never because you know, it was it was all in,
you know, for the betterment of everybody during that time.
And I felt like to do that song, you have to.
I had to do it to put it in perspective
for guys who are outside and guys who play the
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second fiddle, because I was second fiddle.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean I don't. I don't even have no. He
was a hustling bitch. He was got to it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He was I was, you know, definitely not where he
was and at the time, but I still knew what
my role was and I know that in his in
his peak times, a lot of that had to do
with me and the things that he ran across and
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the people he ran across. They were comfortable because they
knew where they could always find who me and my brother.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So, you know, I mean not to go to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Deep, but that's why it was painful to even see
him act like that and do that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And you know, it is what it is. It's fine.
Does that town help you, help you help you get grounded?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That the town? Yes, Oh, Brambleton is a street. It's
actually the street that like my mother like worked on
for years. It's a street that my mother worked on
for years. She was a pharmacist technician and.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Wow, yes, I yeah, pharmacist technician.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
She grew up across the street in a place called
Young's Park. And in this place is where I would
first be exposed to seeing like sweet Pee Whittaker because
he's from the neighborhood from that neighborhood, and you know,
and I would like go see my mam working.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I could see sweet peer across the street, and it
just was like a just a real it meant a lot.
Do you ever just go through that now? Yeah? Every
day I live in I live in Norfolk right now?
Oh wow? So what's your mind like now?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not not not not off of Branwton, but I do
live in Norfolk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
What memories come to mind when you see that street?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Listen, I drive through it all the time. I take
the Scenic Crew all the time. I just love it.
I love you know it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I was raised in Virginia Beach. So again, my whole
family's from Norfolk. I was actually born in the Bronx
and my parents moved me back to Virginia and my
brother for like a better, better way, and we moved
to Virginia Beach. My mother, my mother's side of the
family was all from Norfolk, and and uh, you know,
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so I've always frequented these areas. My family lives in
every last one of them. While so it was like,
and I guess, I mean, I don't know even know
if that's a bad thing, because when they were older,
I think that's what older you know, older blacks did.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They moved sort of from one project to the other.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And it's hard to get through the moves right, but
you know it wasn't a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
What is what is dyan Coch? Other than the name
of a record, what actually is died coch?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Dyan Coke was like an ill name for a record,
and it is a code name for crack, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Like the News called it crack. I called it die coke.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You know, it's something that we visited on Hell Half
No Fury, Kanye eighty eight Keys did the beat and
Hell Half No Fury is one of Kanye's favorite albums,
which was produced by the Enough Tone. You know he
did that and he that's the thing he likes one
thing for me. He likes just bars. He just wants bars,
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and he just wants me to rhyme for a thousand
bars and he'd be like, give me that, and then
he wants to take it and shape it how he
wants to shape it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And I think it made for a really great record,
one of my favorite records. On the album Dreaming in
the Past. Yeah, that's Kanye then, right, yeah, yeah, how
did that record come about? Stevie Wonder sample? Yeah, what
was that Stevie Wonder? That one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Donnie had the Way, Yeah, that record happened.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I beg for that record. It was already done.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
No no, no, no, I beg for the beat. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That happens a lot, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, you'll have a beat and he'll have a folder
of beats. You know, he'll divvy out the folder accordingly.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Now, sometimes sometimes a beat like that is you know,
he thinks it's phenomenal and he loves it, but he's
like it's for you. And other times he hears it
and he's like he knows this for me, but he'll
be like, no, this is this is mine.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This is good.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I'm working on the album too, because we usually work
simultaneously on albums, And it was just one of those
ones that I just kept going back to him. It
was like, listen, man, I need this, like I need
this record. And I was like, you know what, you
should be on the record. I said, you should be
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on the record too.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's the compromise. Yeah, I was like you and because yo, listen,
you know, he switches.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He flips flops and he'll be like, yeah, I was
gonna give it to you, but you know what, bruh,
I just.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Need it bad and then you got to go through
that whole process.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I was trying to alleviate that quickly by just saying, listen,
get on the record, let's let's do it together. And
I g I did my verses and he was like, man,
I can't rhyn behind this, and I was like, yes
you can.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I was like, man, you have to.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I was like, you got to understand that everything for
you isn't heavy lifting, Like I'm the heavy lifter in
this in this situation, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like, as a matter of fact, and I gave him
an example.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I said, Man, I said, you remember when Big came
in for like three bars and was just like your
niggas got some odacy tea.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You sold a millionaire. You have for me, get off
my dick kicking bitch.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And I was like, man, that was like so poignant, monumental,
you know, let him come back in and go crazy.
That was like, bro, And it was in three bars,
you already did the beat. You already maestro this year.
You know what I'm saying, Like all you got to
do is just whatever. And so that's why he has
I don't know, maybe it's four bars at the end
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or something that you know that he you know that
he wanted to get off.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And that was that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
As somebody who raps about, you know what they actually live.
Do you believe life imitates art or art imitate life?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Man, I think that art imitates life. I do.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I feel like it comes from a place, like all
of the art comes from somewhere in life, something in life.
And I just feel like you're pulling from somewhere. You're pulling.
I mean, I am, you know, And that was that
was one of the most impressive things to me about
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It's almost dry because I created this during the pandemic.
I wasn't going nowhere. I was scared to death to
have my first son. I can't go out. You know,
they're telling me that, you know, so on and so
forth with COVID, and you know, my brother got it,
my mom got it, like you know, it's I'm like, man,
I couldn't even move and just I had to really
(25:24):
hone in on my creativity to the best of my ability.
And I think that's where you separate the boys from
the men and this shit with the pen right. Yeah,
I feel like it's like that's our generation that you know,
art imitates life. But I think a lot of the
younger generation was listening to the art and decided this
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is what they wanted to do. That's true, you know,
that's true. And I was only speaking for you know,
for our generation. I do feel like, you know, the
younger generation, it's it's it's it's kind of I don't know,
like I don't want to say this, I don't want
it to sound bad, but they the younger generation looks
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at the business as a hustle.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, and I respect the hustle, but you know, it's
like I feel like that's why.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You know, they'll see something they like and they're like,
oh man, I can put my spin on that, so
on and so forth, and you know, it can it
can blow up, it can go crazy. I can go
viral doing such and such and so and so and
then make it translate back to the sales or not.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And they still just be a hot commodity.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But you know, I think that I think that the
youth it does work the other way around for the
youth today, but they got they have so many other
mediums and means to make money and be successful that
we didn't have. So it's like, you know, I don't
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expect them to be as passionate about you know we had.
You know, it was he was in the street, he
was gonna wrap ballplayer, you know, go to school whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
They can do twenty things, you know, don't have to
be masters at it, you know, and it can work
out for them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So you know, I respect it. I get it. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I wanted to send me for condolences to you too. Yeah,
on the pass your mother and your father. Yeah, how
does a brother like you deal with grief?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh? Man? Dealing with grief? Man?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Well, I think the one thing that's helping me deal
with grief right now. My parents passed four months four
months apart.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh, one couldn't do without the other. Well I look
at it like that. Yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I just know I was good with my parents, both
of them, like really good.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like so I grieve selfishly. Hm, I'm grieving now, but man,
it's they are right, I know it. M hm. What
what does legacy mean to you now?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Like after after losing your parents but having a son, Yeah,
has your understanding of what legacy is changed. Yeah, I
think so, man, I think so yet. Chill, yeah, yeah, chill,
let me tiss you. I can keep moving to you.
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My bad I had I should have some clean exercise
and good.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
At you? All right. Legacy legacy, what does legacy mean?
Legacy is is? Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Legacy is everything right now for me because I understand
that in their passing, I have so many great things
to reference, you know, with a tainted legacy, you don't
you don't have that. And you know, I think about
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my son and he's like, he's gonna be able to
look at the legacy of his dad and be like,
oh man, like he was like amazing, because that's my goal,
because they were amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
When you use somebody to the street, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, when you use a parent, that's different.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that's totally different. That's have you felt what that
difference is? Yes, Like I'm trying to think how to worded.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You know, I think we've been desensitized in regard to
losing people to the street because when you when you
in the streets and you play in the streets, or
you sort of you sort of expected expected. I don't
think anybody's ever prepared for death. But you know that
it goes there when you lose a parent.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Man, you you know, you lose a superhero.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I don't care how old they are, how sick
they are. You can you never ready? You never ready?
Have you you sat down with anybody? Like? Nah? Not yet?
Got to man?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think so, yeah, because you know sometimes we are
response to trauma is to stay busy. Ah, get on
the road, start doing anything, going in the studio, wrapping
one hundred miles for hours instead of like actually dealing
with your emotions. You know, I I probably should sit
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with somebody, But I will say this like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I understand, like you know what I'm saying. I'm not.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Lost, and I'm not lost in grief. I'm selfishly grieving,
you know, like they're gone.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I'm not. You know, yeah, I'm not. I understand it all.
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You think you know your time in the street just
makes you knowing to just things period, like just because
of the things you've seen, the things you've already experienced. Nah, man,
I'm not. I'm not numb. I'm not numb. I can't
even be numb anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like I can't even be No, I feel for everything
now or like I think I feel for everything with
having a son, I feel for everything differently now. And
you know, and I've been a person who didn't give
a fuck, Like I've been that person, like I fuck
and didn't care. I don't even have that in me.
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I don't And I think I think he has softened
me up.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Or yeah, did you have any conversations about as far
as you know.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He lost his mother.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, well my my my brother found my mom the
saying on the anniversary of his mom's death.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
What yeah, people don't know that. He was like yeah, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So it was It was wild because I was actually
going to see him and Austin. We were We're going
to recorded like Elon Muskhouse or something, and I was
in the airport and I just got a.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Light felex by the way. So we were on our
way and I was in the airport.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I'm on the phone talking to my homeboy and I
got the call from my wife and.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I told him. I was like, yo, I'm not getting
on this flight. I'm going back home.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Because he was by himself at the time in Austin,
just waiting on me, and I was like yo, sit
in the hotel. I'm not coming though, and just you know,
we're going to figure out, but just you know, be
out just running around whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
So I went back home.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Luckily I could get right back home on another flight
that was thirty minutes away. I was connecting in DC
and he called me that night. He texts me that
night and was like, man, you know this is happening
on the anniversary of my mom's wow death.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
He was like, you know, and then he just called me.
We just.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
We just talked, man, But let's loos out for a second.
I don't talk about you in a whole man.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what's the conversation like when you're in a whole beside,
y'all gonna do a record together.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I've got one on this necond risk.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, man, I treat the whole situation very delicately. I
only reach out to him, if, you know, in regard
to music. So y'all don't have a personal relationship. But
oh no, no, no, no, I mean yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Like if he if he liked to do some super
flex shit on on you know, if I see something,
I'll be like, hey, you know, what's up with that? Like,
you know, and just ask him about I don't know.
I asked him like business stuff. He never answers directly.
He just laughs it off and tells me whether I'm
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close in the ballpark, you know, yeah, it's about that
amount of money, or maybe it wasn't. But musically though,
I reach out to him. I reach out to him
when I feel like there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Else great I can say on this record.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And the only person who can, you know, give the
record an uptick is somebody who can't who I can't
say what they can say.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I can't speak what hole speaks.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I'm not there, you know what I'm saying, and I
don't want And sometimes records be needed. I feel like
a record needs that sometimes, so a record like Neck
and Wrists, I didn't hear anybody else for it any
But anytime I've ever sent him something as always to
just outdo, I'll do what I've done. I send them
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the record with the vocals, with the hook everything, and
I'd be like you like it, and he'd be like, man,
what I'm supposed to say to this, you know, And
it's like he always goes through that motion and then
like you know, he'll like hit me back and like yeah,
I gotta mean six bars for this, and I'm like okay.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He was like, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
You know, he sort of just walks me through what
he's gonna do with the record. And then finally, you know,
I get one of those calls from Guru or something
like Yo, what's your email?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And I get it. Did he tell you that he's
reference what people say about him? And big?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Now he would not be here. No, he he don't
tell me nothing, man, But it was it was so
it was so great. But if you know him, man,
he's always gonna reference whatever is is sticky in the
media or whatever. Like, he's always gonna he lets nothing slide.
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And I don't care how long, how long the issue is,
he lets nothing slide.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I wanted to ask you, man, what's the difference between
Terence the man father now you husband and Push your Tea?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I feel like, you know, Push your t is art
human are life, you know, like just you know the
art the art of me. You know, Terrence is who
I am, like in there, my soul. Everything that means
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anything to me knows Terrence. You know, Push your Tea
is like way man, He's he's like way more methodic
calculated just whatever. Terrence is the vulnerable one, honestly, So
push your tea protecting Terrence. I don't think so. I
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just think that whoever whoever runs into Terrence is supposed
to you know what I'm saying, Like I don't. It's
not a lot of people that I look at as
family or I'm that comfortable enough with you know what
I'm saying to like to to just be you know,
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my unguarded self with you know what I'm saying. So
it's not just protecting him, It's just that he's Terrence,
a special and he's for us special group.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You feel like your music will ever reflect the growth of.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Parents, Yeah, I think I think my music reflects, you know,
my growth because I feel like my music gives you
the reason why I am the way I am. You know,
I feel like it's it's, you know, very two sided.
I give you, I give you gratuitous you know, fly
(39:29):
ship whatever, but I also give you perspective on the
mentality of like why somebody thinks like that?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And you know, I give you the principles of me.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know, you hit loyalty all through my music, you know,
And that's a very Terence quality.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So it's like I think, I think it's a I
think it's a it's a it's a fair trade and
a fair exchange between both both characters within me because.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I think about all of these layers that they're aready
you as a man, And I wondered, could you ever
who we tell the story of your life and even
the things you've been through, everything from the passing your
parents to follow everything without malice.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I need I need him, I need him now, I
need write.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, is that something you would explore?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, for sure, I think so. I think.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think that we've hit a stride a couple of
times here recently, just musically and just you know, and
and it was it's been really good. And I realized,
I realized what I missed with him. I realized what
the fan miss is. I realize that there is more
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to the brothers when he's next to me versus when
I'm just by myself. And I think it's it's funny
because I'd be like listening and reading comments and stuff,
and you know, of me as.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Soon as as soon as we put out a record.
The other day, it all goes back. I told y'all,
his brother was better than him.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
You know, it goes all the way back there. And
does that make you feel like second fiddle? Does that
make you feel like, oh I can play second fiddle?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Then?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Okay, okay, hell yeah. Listen.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
My brother is the reason I rap. He's the one
who showed me what rap is about. He is the
one who impressed phar Real and Timblin and Chad first
when I wasn't even rapping.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I don't, That's the thing. I don't. I know what
I bring, but I don't got to even be better
than him.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Don't gotta be better than nobody because I know my
powers and nine times out of ten people can't do
my powers.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
They can't. You know what I'm saying. Everybody want to
be king? You know what I'm saying. I don't necessarily
want to be king. I'm a bit night. You know
what I'm saying, Like, no, you don't have to sit
around and guard me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, I'm a warrior, like I'm a god for mine
And I feel like.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
You know it's again, I think you know everybody who
I deal with, We work better collectively, you know what
I'm saying. Every piece to the puzzle makes the masterpiece,
not just push your t's wraps.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Do you get that warrior spirit from your parts? Yeah?
I think so.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
My dad's very like he's a he was a very
hard working, you know what I'm saying, very fair man,
you know, and but his he was fair and if
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he felt something was unjust, then it's you know, it's
like all everything is cut off at that point. So
I feel like, you know, I just interpret that, you know, differently.
He has a way calmer demeanor than I do. And
that probably is my mom leaning in because she's a firecracker.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You know, she's a real firecracker. You're perfect bounce of both,
oh for sure, for sure. Yeah, I feel like I
don't know why I keep having this. I see you
and Malice, y'all could do like a whole album based
on things.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Y'all pops taught you, oh for sure. Like yeah, like
you know, like just a very prince. He's a very
principaled man. So like everything you know, good, bad, ugly
that we probably ever been involved in, always we always
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kept the principles of my dad and my mom as well,
but my dad more so because he was like, you know,
very straight edged.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
How intentional? Are you in keeping your family life? Probably?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't think I am man. I think, you know,
I think I'm pretty open. I feel like I'm pretty open.
I you know, I feel like you see my wife,
you see my son. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I like highlight both of them a lot socially, you know,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I don't know what else there is to do. I don't,
you know, like you know, I don't think i'd ever
do like reality or reality show about our family. I
would hope not. Yeah, Like I don't, you know, but
I just don't know, like how much like how does
I'm not?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
You know, I think I share, you know, and anything
else other than what I'm sharing, Like what else you house?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You want to see it? You know how your wife elemental?
I said, man, oh man, listen, she's the pressure, the pressure.
She's the pressure, man.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
She is the one thousand percent pressure anything she wants.
You know, it's the pressure to make this happen, you
know what I'm saying. And you know, I think we
we we really balance each other out because we have
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like very specific roles and you know, her role for me.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
She the pressure.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
She is she's actually the pressure that just makes you know,
I can't look at her.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I know what she's thinking before she says it.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
When something's wrong, she don't even got her you know.
She she cut her eye at me, and I'm like,
you're right, it's wrong. You know it's time spray block.
But you know, but it's like, you know, she's that,
you know, she's the one who really puts the battery
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in my back, you know, for for everything or yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Only got a few more questions. How is your face
to me? Because the record on the album will pray,
I pray for you, pray for you. How important is
your faith? It's super important. It's you know, it's it's
where I find my piece. Is where I'm finding my
piece today. If I if I didn't have faith, I
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wouldn't Like bro.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I can't do it, like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You think you have snapped already in somewhere. Yeah, I
think so. I think so. And I think my faith
is what keeps me. You know, it keeps me from
reacting versus you know, just sitting back and taking it
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in and like responding yeah, you know, yeah, just like
it helps me.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's calming, it's calming. So you would say your faith
is like your therapy. Yes, so to speak for sure, Okay,
you know you can have God in.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Man, listen, I have nothing you know, against going to
therapy or I just you know, I don't think that.
I mean, we were talking about it in regard to
my parents, so you know, I just don't feel like
I'm like, I'm you know, I'm not confused. I'm just
(47:55):
not confused. I understand you're feeling it at all. Yeah,
I'm feeling it all every morning, every every morning. You know,
I could listen, we about to go laugh, joke, whatever
I'm about to get on the plane might break down
like a rusty shock gun. But it's you know, it's
just what happens.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I know you've got that warrior spirit.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Just I just wonder when you to go to person,
go to person, always have to make sure they got
somebody to go to.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh yeah, but I do, Yeah, I do, man. I
have I have, like really really.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I got you know, longstanding, very important friendships. I have family.
I got my brother, I got my wife. I gotta
I just gotta look at my son and everything else
is like.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
All right. Two more questions.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Is your creative growth right now as an artist just
as important to you as your growth as a man.
Or is it the growth of a man first then
your creative growth as an artist?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I would say the growth my growth is a man first,
because again I'm not I'm not really just living for
me at this point, you know so? And I want,
you know, I want my son, who's like going to
be watching me, watching me every step of the way,
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to see.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
His dad like really just grow, developed, prosper.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
And set a really strong example for him.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's how I know.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Like that, even though I think this is your best
body of work, like you're gonna be one of them
you a hole maybe nas too, It's gonna be the
rapper that makes that hip hop thrill album. The only
reason I said, because you still got so much to
tap into. Yeah, so many other stories to be told,
Like we know, push you too. Yeah, Terrence demands to
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me a whole different individual, Right, I got a whole
other story.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Do you think about stuff like that fifty and making
that yeah personal album?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
No, I really do I think about that a lot.
You know, I was saying earlier that this is it
is our era that is gonna be the error to
show that, you know, you can be timeless in hip hop.
So with you know what comes along with that is
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you know, the quote unquote Thriller album as fifty You know, well,
hopefully it's forty five.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Is that gonna be a push up to your album
or Eclipse album?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Oh well, listen, I'm always I'm always shooting for a
masterpiece in whichever album it would be. I would love
to do a Clips album. You know, I just in
that space.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I don't know. I can't say. I can't say he's
in that space.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean, he didn't gave me a good offerends, though,
I will say that.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, So what does success look like to you?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Success to me is peace of mind, peace of mind
and being able to provide for you and yours and
and you know, just just being comfortable, man, being comfortable
with yourself, like you know you can have you can
have everything in the world, but if you ain't comfortable
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with yourself, none of it matters.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And it and it doesn't even look good, all right,
push you appreciate your tame. It's almost dry, it's almost dry.
Work
Push, what's that? What's up? How are you man making it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
When I when I asked that question nowadays, especially after
the pandemic, like I really be wanting to honest answer,
yeah for just making it. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
I'm making it Okay. The pandemic wasn't so bad for me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, Like my son was born during the pandemic, so
I took that time and looked at that time as
a as a time to like bond with him and
you know, just things that I ordinarily miss out on,
miss out on because I'm traveling, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It was like, no, I'm here for it all. How
is fatherhood changing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Ah, It's made me a lot less, a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Lot more self less.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I feel like I feel like I was like an
extremely selfish person, you know, and now it's like I
don't consider anything without him in mind.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like your time is like they always say your time
as you want vira assets, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
For sure, Like you know, I don't like to leave
for anything actually, And I mean I'm like really very
precious with my time these days, just because like you know,
I miss stuff. You know, you can miss stuff, and
I know how important that is. Actually that helped me focus.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
On this album because I believe it's almost dry as
your best body of work.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, you can you confidently say that, I think so. Why?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, I feel like, you know, I had the best
of both worlds in regard to production and in regard
to people, two people that actually understand who I am
and they like two different things from me. Yes, that
(01:59):
I feel are both really great and so from you know,
just from that aspect, I just feel like, man, this
this body of work is untouchable because it doesn't lean
too heavy on either side. It's like you get the
whole spectrum. Probably my most well rounded body of work.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I wonder why, because you've always had access to Kanye
and both brow Yeah, but I haven't always had time.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I haven't always had the time that I needed with
both of them.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And again, I think the pandemic sort of afforded me that,
you know, like I really was during the pandemic, and
you know, I really went down to Miami and sat
at Pharrell's compound and we would get up at six
in the morning and really try to find a record
and maybe we didn't find a record that day, maybe
we just found a melody and then we go ride
(02:50):
by to noon and then you know, then come back
the next day at six in the morning, and you know,
the process was just very like leisurely, and we took
our time and we found everything we were looking for.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It amazes me that after all of these years, you
and Pharrell still find ways to sound fresh.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. Well, that's the goal. That's the goal.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's the goal that I have just as a as
an EMC.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What you call it adult contemporary, don't contemporary hip hop,
temporary hip hop? You know, being forty four and being competitive,
it's like, you know, I never got to watch my greates,
you know, really get to see it all the way through.
(03:37):
You know, they they were they were great for their time,
and then they spent a lot of time saying that,
you know, saying that like, oh man, we all ain't
do it like this when we was out here, and
I feel like that energy made them, you know, sort
of fall to the wayside, be what we call washed today.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And you know that's you know, that's my that's my
new goal, that's my new race. I feel like, you
gotta hip hop is the youngest genre, and I feel
like my era is the era that's going to be
the one that says, you know, we're going to be
able to.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Tour forever or you know, tour forever.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We're going to be you know, Rolling Stones, Fish, Grateful
Dead back in USA today, how long they've been, you know,
dropping albums you two tomorrow and it be like, oh yeah,
this is still like a viable commodity. This is where
we're going to get to see that in hip hop.
I feel like it starts with this generation.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You said that Pharrell gave you feedback that devastated you. Yeah,
because he said he didn't want you to be a
mixtape rapper for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeap.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
How much did that impact this album?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It impacted it a lot. I feel like that's the thing.
When I'm working with Pharrell, He's all about composition. He's
all about song formula, structure. Sure, he wants steroids in
every part of that composition, meaning cadence, flows, sticky hooks, bridges.
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He wants to beat to be a certain way. He
wants to flow in the melodies to be a certain way.
You know, he uses the word composition like you know,
when he was saying, like, yo, I don't want you
to be a mixtape rapper for the rest of your life.
And I was like, you know, to me, it was
it was bothersome because you know, I was. I came
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up with him listening.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
To those same mixtapes, listening to those same Locks freestyles
or riding around you know, aimlessly all day and at
the time his gs lexus you know, used and we
just were like, man, this is what we you know,
we aspired to. We found the greatness in it. And
(05:54):
when he said it to me, I was like, man,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't know if I like that because I don't
know if you still find the greatness And what is
the to me, the cornerstone of this ship that we do.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I wonder, I wonder does he still appreciate the coaching
on What I mean by that is look at the
look at the verses with Loxton, Di said, Yeah, one
of the biggest moments was in Jada.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Did the who shot your freestyle? Right off of mixtape?
You a mixtape rapper?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
For me, it's nothing, you know, for for real, I
feel like he's always trying to knock things out of
the stratosphere. I get the same satisfaction from like a
super strong sixteen that I get from a you know,
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top twenty record, you know, or something that's spending on
radio all day.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's just the rapper in me. That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But I was still confused though, because he said that
after he heard him me.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Clearly, after him clear.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I know, And that was It's ironic because you know,
all of the all of the feedback and fanfare from
just the snippet of hearing me clearly when we was
out in Paris fashion Week set the tone for everything,
the album that he just executive produced with Ego and everything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But that was what set the tone.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And you know, I feel like there's nothing wrong with
what he wants and what he aspires to like make
with us, because he's only going for what's you know,
the biggest and the best. But I feel like that
record and the reaction to that record also let him
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know how important that very mixtape sound is or you know,
and especially coming from me, you can I can never
neglect that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Ever, I've never been a radio rapper. So what changed
after that? Comic like, like, what did the album sound
like before that?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
No, that the album has been in the album, because
I mean I took a lot of you know, I
took a lot of direction during this album, like that
was my thing.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I did what.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He said in regard to you know, trying records and
trying versus and trying different patterns. He was like, Yo,
I want you to be a character every time. That's
why you'll hear one eight hundred called my bluff. And
I'm just talking matter of factly because I'm you know,
I'm off the fleck in that moment, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm like trying to really.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know, harness the energy of the joker, but the lighthearted.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I can see here and talk to you all day
and then you know, boom, you know, like that's that's
the energy of it. And he was like, yo, we
have to we have to do character type things.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like that for you to take you to another level.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And you know, it was good that we had this
time because you have to go through a process with him.
And one thing I said I wasn't gonna do was
stop his process because sometimes you know, and it gets tense,
like we you know, we argue, like we argue, we
don't you know, it gets we get angry. You know,
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I'm like, man, I don't like that ship. That shit whack.
I'm tired of it, like I just I'm over. He'd
be like, nah, man, listen, all right, let's let's keep going,
and he you know, I'll leave out the studio and
then he keeps hammering away, and then he finds that cord,
you know, and then what was whack to me now
starts looking a little brighter. And then he takes what
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I thought was whack and be like, oh, I know
what you don't like. You don't like this sounds sweet,
so hold on, let me strip that away, let me
keep the one that you do like, and then we
start building. But you got to go through the whole
process to get to that, absolutely, and it's long, and
it's tedious, and it's like bolessome at.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Times when it's working if you're trying to make sometimes
for sure, exactly in order to not be a mixtape
rap arty, not be stuck in that mixtape space when
the content of your music have.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
To change drastically, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, I don't think so, because I feel like, you know,
to me, hip hop starts, and it has always been
the streets first.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
That is where all the credibility.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
All of the validation, all of the heat begins for
an artist. And now with social media and just the
way that hip hop is working, everybody has access to
the streets. Whether you live in it, you understand it,
you can see it, you can go on the violent
you know, sites that you know show everything you know
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that that's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And I don't think the content has to change.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I think that people are getting a bird's eye view,
a real good look at life. And you know, man,
Hard Knock Life was one of my favorite albums. Absolutely,
he won the Grammy for it. That's all I want
to make. You got nominated for dayton Yeah, yeah, nominated
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for Daytona.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know, you compare yourself to Martin Scorsese, which I understood,
But Martin Scorsese makes picture.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Does that mean what you write isn't real? No, not
at all.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And what I'm doing right now, I feel like, is
trying to tap into more of the creativity of that.
All of it comes from a real place, but not
everything is one for one and I feel like we
got to as rap artists, we have to sort of
get out of that too, because I'm here to actually
entertain you, or I'm here to entertain you. I'm here
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to like I want you to, like, say, I said
the freshest ship ever. You know what I'm saying, big say,
I'm trying to push seven hundreds. They ain't made them yet.
He's imagining, you know what I'm saying, still ain't made
him yet. But you know he was imagining then and
saying the fly ship. I mean because it's because it's
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not here. That means what that wasn't the dope line?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Noah? Like, I want to like.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Continuously tap into the creativity of my mind, the imagination.
You know, Scorsese does make fiction, but some of it
comes from a real place and some of it is
just gratuitous greatness.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I want to be that I don't. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm really not here to be the realist nigga in
the room right now.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, as far as music goes, I'm not. I'm
not here for that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It makes me think about, like you see what jay
Z and me are trying to do what they don't
have rap lyrics used, for sure, But a lot of
that is a pop fault because about pride itself on
being real.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Hey man, I mean, you know hip hop does pride
itself on being real.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And it was a It was a music made out
of despair, desperation, poverty, reality, the message you know, like
broken glass everywhere. Somebody came outside and just started like
flowing them and giving rhythm to what they were seeing outside.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean, it's not off.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean, bro, every music is sort of based off of,
you know, reality.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I mean I'm talking about Negro.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Spirituals, right, you know, were based off of that. The
only thing that was stolen was rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know if that was their reality or not
because they stole it, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
One of the realist records on the album Brambleton. Yeah,
very personal record. Yes, probably one of your most personal records. Yes,
what made you feel free to tell that story? Because
I'm gonna be honest, man, I was hurt. I was
hurt watching the TV. I was hurt watching that, Like,
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I was hurt for a couple of different reasons. I
was hurt because I'm looking at somebody that I admired,
you know, have like their name written across their hat.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They're like, you know, they're what do you call it,
their act name or whatever written across the hat. And
I knew at that point where I was like, oh, man,
I don't know who this person is no more, because
that's not that's not where we're from. Then I was
hurt because I felt like, you know, I know him
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very well, and I know that he's not a good
speak he's not a good talker, and he knows that
about himself. And I honest I personally think that he
didn't even mean to put it the way that he did,
you know, and he's sense like you know, said in
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other interviews like oh I didn't mean it like that,
so on and so forth. But it was the fact
that he felt that he needed that attention and he
would play with me and you know, do something to
garner some attention that could they could slight me.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
This is somebody that like my mother loves, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
This is somebody who like you know, kids go to
Bible study with my mother when you where you was at.
You know what I'm saying. And I wanted to do
the song because I think that like it really spoke
(15:58):
to it really speaks to who I am, and like
my mentality and everything, whether it's music, the streets, my
mentality has always stayed the same. I've always been a
team player, I've never been a person who looked at
somebody with more than me and was envious of them,
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or because I always knew what role I played, and
I knew my role was always strong. It always has been.
Like I was hurt, Like, man, you know, I called
the teamwork. He called it working for him. I was like, damn,
you know, I remember times, I mean, just being candid,
like I remember times when you know, we're all we
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all are friends.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We're a group of friends. We tight. We I'm talking
about tight as anything. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Somebody fuck up the count, somebody fuck up the money,
we ain't fucking with them because you you know, we
look at this as a whole thing, you know what
I'm saying, as a whole team.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
We stopped, we stopped dealing with you. We end up
beef and so on and so forth. But it was
never because you know, it was it was all in,
you know, for the betterment of everybody during that time.
And I felt like to do that song, you have to.
I had to do it to put it in perspective
for guys who are outside and guys who play the
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second fiddle, because I was second fiddle.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean I don't. I don't even have no. He
was a hustling bitch. He was got to it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He was I was, you know, definitely not where he
was and at the time, but I still knew what
my role was and I know that in his in
his peak times, a lot of that had to do
with me and the things that he ran across and
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the people he ran across. They were comfortable because they
knew where they could always find who me and my brother.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So, you know, I mean not to go to.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Deep, but that's why it was painful to even see
him act like that and do that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And you know, it is what it is. It's fine.
Does that town help you, help you help you get grounded?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That the town? Yes, Oh, Brambleton is a street. It's
actually the street that like my mother like worked on
for years. It's a street that my mother worked on
for years. She was a pharmacist technician and.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Wow, yes, I yeah, pharmacist technician.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
She grew up across the street in a place called
Young's Park. And in this place is where I would
first be exposed to seeing like sweet Pee Whittaker because
he's from the neighborhood from that neighborhood, and you know,
and I would like go see my mam working.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I could see sweet peer across the street, and it
just was like a just a real it meant a lot.
Do you ever just go through that now? Yeah? Every
day I live in I live in Norfolk right now?
Oh wow? So what's your mind like now?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not not not not off of Branwton, but I do
live in Norfolk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
What memories come to mind when you see that street?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Listen, I drive through it all the time. I take
the Scenic Crew all the time. I just love it.
I love you know it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I was raised in Virginia Beach. So again, my whole
family's from Norfolk. I was actually born in the Bronx
and my parents moved me back to Virginia and my
brother for like a better, better way, and we moved
to Virginia Beach. My mother, my mother's side of the
family was all from Norfolk, and and uh, you know,
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so I've always frequented these areas. My family lives in
every last one of them. While so it was like,
and I guess, I mean, I don't know even know
if that's a bad thing, because when they were older,
I think that's what older you know, older blacks did.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They moved sort of from one project to the other.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And it's hard to get through the moves right, but
you know it wasn't a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
What is what is dyan Coch? Other than the name
of a record, what actually is died coch?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Dyan Coke was like an ill name for a record,
and it is a code name for crack, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Like the News called it crack. I called it die coke.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You know, it's something that we visited on Hell Half
No Fury, Kanye eighty eight Keys did the beat and
Hell Half No Fury is one of Kanye's favorite albums,
which was produced by the Enough Tone. You know he
did that and he that's the thing he likes one
thing for me. He likes just bars. He just wants bars,
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and he just wants me to rhyme for a thousand
bars and he'd be like, give me that, and then
he wants to take it and shape it how he
wants to shape it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And I think it made for a really great record,
one of my favorite records. On the album Dreaming in
the Past. Yeah, that's Kanye then, right, yeah, yeah, how
did that record come about? Stevie Wonder sample? Yeah, what
was that Stevie Wonder? That one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Donnie had the Way, Yeah, that record happened.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I beg for that record. It was already done.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
No no, no, no, I beg for the beat. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That happens a lot, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, you'll have a beat and he'll have a folder
of beats. You know, he'll divvy out the folder accordingly.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Now, sometimes sometimes a beat like that is you know,
he thinks it's phenomenal and he loves it, but he's
like it's for you. And other times he hears it
and he's like he knows this for me, but he'll
be like, no, this is this is mine.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This is good.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I'm working on the album too, because we usually work
simultaneously on albums, And it was just one of those
ones that I just kept going back to him. It
was like, listen, man, I need this, like I need
this record. And I was like, you know what, you
should be on the record. I said, you should be
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on the record too.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's the compromise. Yeah, I was like you and because yo, listen,
you know, he switches.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He flips flops and he'll be like, yeah, I was
gonna give it to you, but you know what, bruh,
I just.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Need it bad and then you got to go through
that whole process.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I was trying to alleviate that quickly by just saying, listen,
get on the record, let's let's do it together. And
I g I did my verses and he was like, man,
I can't rhyn behind this, and I was like, yes
you can.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I was like, man, you have to.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I was like, you got to understand that everything for
you isn't heavy lifting, Like I'm the heavy lifter in
this in this situation, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like, as a matter of fact, and I gave him
an example.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I said, Man, I said, you remember when Big came
in for like three bars and was just like your
niggas got some odacy tea.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You sold a millionaire. You have for me, get off
my dick kicking bitch.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And I was like, man, that was like so poignant, monumental,
you know, let him come back in and go crazy.
That was like, bro, And it was in three bars,
you already did the beat. You already maestro this year.
You know what I'm saying, Like all you got to
do is just whatever. And so that's why he has
I don't know, maybe it's four bars at the end
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or something that you know that he you know that
he wanted to get off.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And that was that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
As somebody who raps about, you know what they actually live.
Do you believe life imitates art or art imitate life?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Man, I think that art imitates life. I do.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I feel like it comes from a place, like all
of the art comes from somewhere in life, something in life.
And I just feel like you're pulling from somewhere. You're pulling.
I mean, I am, you know, And that was that
was one of the most impressive things to me about
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It's almost dry because I created this during the pandemic.
I wasn't going nowhere. I was scared to death to
have my first son. I can't go out. You know,
they're telling me that, you know, so on and so
forth with COVID, and you know, my brother got it,
my mom got it, like you know, it's I'm like, man,
I couldn't even move and just I had to really
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hone in on my creativity to the best of my ability.
And I think that's where you separate the boys from
the men and this shit with the pen right. Yeah,
I feel like it's like that's our generation that you know,
art imitates life. But I think a lot of the
younger generation was listening to the art and decided this
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is what they wanted to do. That's true, you know,
that's true. And I was only speaking for you know,
for our generation. I do feel like, you know, the
younger generation, it's it's it's it's kind of I don't know,
like I don't want to say this, I don't want
it to sound bad, but they the younger generation looks
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at the business as a hustle.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, and I respect the hustle, but you know, it's
like I feel like that's why.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You know, they'll see something they like and they're like,
oh man, I can put my spin on that, so
on and so forth, and you know, it can it
can blow up, it can go crazy. I can go
viral doing such and such and so and so and
then make it translate back to the sales or not.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And they still just be a hot commodity.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But you know, I think that I think that the
youth it does work the other way around for the
youth today, but they got they have so many other
mediums and means to make money and be successful that
we didn't have. So it's like, you know, I don't
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expect them to be as passionate about you know we had.
You know, it was he was in the street, he
was gonna wrap ballplayer, you know, go to school whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
They can do twenty things, you know, don't have to
be masters at it, you know, and it can work
out for them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So you know, I respect it. I get it. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I wanted to send me for condolences to you too. Yeah,
on the pass your mother and your father. Yeah, how
does a brother like you deal with grief?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh? Man? Dealing with grief? Man?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Well, I think the one thing that's helping me deal
with grief right now. My parents passed four months four
months apart.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh, one couldn't do without the other. Well I look
at it like that. Yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I just know I was good with my parents, both
of them, like really good.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like so I grieve selfishly. Hm, I'm grieving now, but man,
it's they are right, I know it. M hm. What
what does legacy mean to you now?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Like after after losing your parents but having a son, Yeah,
has your understanding of what legacy is changed. Yeah, I
think so, man, I think so yet. Chill, yeah, yeah, chill,
let me tiss you. I can keep moving to you.
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My bad I had I should have some clean exercise
and good.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
At you? All right. Legacy legacy, what does legacy mean?
Legacy is is? Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Legacy is everything right now for me because I understand
that in their passing, I have so many great things
to reference, you know, with a tainted legacy, you don't
you don't have that. And you know, I think about
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my son and he's like, he's gonna be able to
look at the legacy of his dad and be like,
oh man, like he was like amazing, because that's my goal,
because they were amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
When you use somebody to the street, that's one thing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, when you use a parent, that's different.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that's totally different. That's have you felt what that
difference is? Yes, Like I'm trying to think how to worded.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You know, I think we've been desensitized in regard to
losing people to the street because when you when you
in the streets and you play in the streets, or
you sort of you sort of expected expected. I don't
think anybody's ever prepared for death. But you know that
it goes there when you lose a parent.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Man, you you know, you lose a superhero.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And I don't care how old they are, how sick
they are. You can you never ready? You never ready?
Have you you sat down with anybody? Like? Nah? Not yet?
Got to man?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think so, yeah, because you know sometimes we are
response to trauma is to stay busy. Ah, get on
the road, start doing anything, going in the studio, wrapping
one hundred miles for hours instead of like actually dealing
with your emotions. You know, I I probably should sit
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with somebody, But I will say this like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I understand, like you know what I'm saying. I'm not.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Lost, and I'm not lost in grief. I'm selfishly grieving,
you know, like they're gone.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I'm not. You know, yeah, I'm not. I understand it all.
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You think you know your time in the street just
makes you knowing to just things period, like just because
of the things you've seen, the things you've already experienced. Nah, man,
I'm not. I'm not numb. I'm not numb. I can't
even be numb anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like I can't even be No, I feel for everything
now or like I think I feel for everything with
having a son, I feel for everything differently now. And
you know, and I've been a person who didn't give
a fuck, Like I've been that person, like I fuck
and didn't care. I don't even have that in me.
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I don't And I think I think he has softened
me up.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Or yeah, did you have any conversations about as far
as you know.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He lost his mother.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, well my my my brother found my mom the
saying on the anniversary of his mom's death.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
What yeah, people don't know that. He was like yeah, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So it was It was wild because I was actually
going to see him and Austin. We were We're going
to recorded like Elon Muskhouse or something, and I was
in the airport and I just got a.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Light felex by the way. So we were on our
way and I was in the airport.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I'm on the phone talking to my homeboy and I
got the call from my wife and.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I told him. I was like, yo, I'm not getting
on this flight. I'm going back home.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Because he was by himself at the time in Austin,
just waiting on me, and I was like yo, sit
in the hotel. I'm not coming though, and just you know,
we're going to figure out, but just you know, be
out just running around whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
So I went back home.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Luckily I could get right back home on another flight
that was thirty minutes away. I was connecting in DC
and he called me that night. He texts me that
night and was like, man, you know this is happening
on the anniversary of my mom's wow death.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
He was like, you know, and then he just called me.
We just.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
We just talked, man, But let's loos out for a second.
I don't talk about you in a whole man.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what's the conversation like when you're in a whole beside,
y'all gonna do a record together.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I've got one on this necond risk.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, man, I treat the whole situation very delicately. I
only reach out to him, if, you know, in regard
to music. So y'all don't have a personal relationship. But
oh no, no, no, no, I mean yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Like if he if he liked to do some super
flex shit on on you know, if I see something,
I'll be like, hey, you know, what's up with that? Like,
you know, and just ask him about I don't know.
I asked him like business stuff. He never answers directly.
He just laughs it off and tells me whether I'm
(35:17):
close in the ballpark, you know, yeah, it's about that
amount of money, or maybe it wasn't. But musically though,
I reach out to him. I reach out to him
when I feel like there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Else great I can say on this record.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
And the only person who can, you know, give the
record an uptick is somebody who can't who I can't
say what they can say.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I can't speak what hole speaks.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I'm not there, you know what I'm saying, and I
don't want And sometimes records be needed. I feel like
a record needs that sometimes, so a record like Neck
and Wrists, I didn't hear anybody else for it any
But anytime I've ever sent him something as always to
just outdo, I'll do what I've done. I send them
(36:15):
the record with the vocals, with the hook everything, and
I'd be like you like it, and he'd be like, man,
what I'm supposed to say to this, you know, And
it's like he always goes through that motion and then
like you know, he'll like hit me back and like yeah,
I gotta mean six bars for this, and I'm like okay.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He was like, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
You know, he sort of just walks me through what
he's gonna do with the record. And then finally, you know,
I get one of those calls from Guru or something
like Yo, what's your email?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And I get it. Did he tell you that he's
reference what people say about him? And big?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Now he would not be here. No, he he don't
tell me nothing, man, But it was it was so
it was so great. But if you know him, man,
he's always gonna reference whatever is is sticky in the
media or whatever. Like, he's always gonna he lets nothing slide.
(37:22):
And I don't care how long, how long the issue is,
he lets nothing slide.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I wanted to ask you, man, what's the difference between
Terence the man father now you husband and Push your Tea?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I feel like, you know, Push your t is art
human are life, you know, like just you know the
art the art of me. You know, Terrence is who
I am, like in there, my soul. Everything that means
(38:05):
anything to me knows Terrence. You know, Push your Tea
is like way man, He's he's like way more methodic
calculated just whatever. Terrence is the vulnerable one, honestly, So
push your tea protecting Terrence. I don't think so. I
(38:27):
just think that whoever whoever runs into Terrence is supposed
to you know what I'm saying, Like I don't. It's
not a lot of people that I look at as
family or I'm that comfortable enough with you know what
I'm saying to like to to just be you know,
(38:49):
my unguarded self with you know what I'm saying. So
it's not just protecting him, It's just that he's Terrence,
a special and he's for us special group.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You feel like your music will ever reflect the growth of.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Parents, Yeah, I think I think my music reflects, you know,
my growth because I feel like my music gives you
the reason why I am the way I am. You know,
I feel like it's it's, you know, very two sided.
I give you, I give you gratuitous you know, fly
(39:29):
ship whatever, but I also give you perspective on the
mentality of like why somebody thinks like that?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And you know, I give you the principles of me.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know, you hit loyalty all through my music, you know,
And that's a very Terence quality.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So it's like I think, I think it's a I
think it's a it's a it's a fair trade and
a fair exchange between both both characters within me because.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I think about all of these layers that they're aready
you as a man, And I wondered, could you ever
who we tell the story of your life and even
the things you've been through, everything from the passing your
parents to follow everything without malice.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I need I need him, I need him now, I
need write.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, is that something you would explore?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, for sure, I think so. I think.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think that we've hit a stride a couple of
times here recently, just musically and just you know, and
and it was it's been really good. And I realized,
I realized what I missed with him. I realized what
the fan miss is. I realize that there is more
(41:01):
to the brothers when he's next to me versus when
I'm just by myself. And I think it's it's funny
because I'd be like listening and reading comments and stuff,
and you know, of me as.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Soon as as soon as we put out a record.
The other day, it all goes back. I told y'all,
his brother was better than him.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
You know, it goes all the way back there. And
does that make you feel like second fiddle? Does that
make you feel like, oh I can play second fiddle?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Then?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Okay, okay, hell yeah. Listen.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
My brother is the reason I rap. He's the one
who showed me what rap is about. He is the
one who impressed phar Real and Timblin and Chad first
when I wasn't even rapping.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I don't, That's the thing. I don't. I know what
I bring, but I don't got to even be better
than him.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Don't gotta be better than nobody because I know my
powers and nine times out of ten people can't do
my powers.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
They can't. You know what I'm saying. Everybody want to
be king? You know what I'm saying. I don't necessarily
want to be king. I'm a bit night. You know
what I'm saying, Like, no, you don't have to sit
around and guard me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, I'm a warrior, like I'm a god for mine
And I feel like.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
You know it's again, I think you know everybody who
I deal with, We work better collectively, you know what
I'm saying. Every piece to the puzzle makes the masterpiece,
not just push your t's wraps.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Do you get that warrior spirit from your parts? Yeah?
I think so.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
My dad's very like he's a he was a very
hard working, you know what I'm saying, very fair man,
you know, and but his he was fair and if
(43:09):
he felt something was unjust, then it's you know, it's
like all everything is cut off at that point. So
I feel like, you know, I just interpret that, you know, differently.
He has a way calmer demeanor than I do. And
that probably is my mom leaning in because she's a firecracker.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You know, she's a real firecracker. You're perfect bounce of both,
oh for sure, for sure. Yeah, I feel like I
don't know why I keep having this. I see you
and Malice, y'all could do like a whole album based
on things.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Y'all pops taught you, oh for sure. Like yeah, like
you know, like just a very prince. He's a very
principaled man. So like everything you know, good, bad, ugly
that we probably ever been involved in, always we always
(44:04):
kept the principles of my dad and my mom as well,
but my dad more so because he was like, you know,
very straight edged.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
How intentional? Are you in keeping your family life? Probably?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't think I am man. I think, you know,
I think I'm pretty open. I feel like I'm pretty open.
I you know, I feel like you see my wife,
you see my son. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I like highlight both of them a lot socially, you know,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I don't know what else there is to do. I don't,
you know, like you know, I don't think i'd ever
do like reality or reality show about our family. I
would hope not. Yeah, Like I don't, you know, but
I just don't know, like how much like how does
I'm not?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
You know, I think I share, you know, and anything
else other than what I'm sharing, Like what else you house?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You want to see it? You know how your wife elemental?
I said, man, oh man, listen, she's the pressure, the pressure.
She's the pressure, man.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
She is the one thousand percent pressure anything she wants.
You know, it's the pressure to make this happen, you
know what I'm saying. And you know, I think we
we we really balance each other out because we have
(45:41):
like very specific roles and you know, her role for me.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
She the pressure.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
She is she's actually the pressure that just makes you know,
I can't look at her.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I know what she's thinking before she says it.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
When something's wrong, she don't even got her you know.
She she cut her eye at me, and I'm like,
you're right, it's wrong. You know it's time spray block.
But you know, but it's like, you know, she's that,
you know, she's the one who really puts the battery
(46:23):
in my back, you know, for for everything or yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Only got a few more questions. How is your face
to me? Because the record on the album will pray,
I pray for you, pray for you. How important is
your faith? It's super important. It's you know, it's it's
where I find my piece. Is where I'm finding my
piece today. If I if I didn't have faith, I
(46:48):
wouldn't Like bro.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I can't do it, like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You think you have snapped already in somewhere. Yeah, I
think so. I think so. And I think my faith
is what keeps me. You know, it keeps me from
reacting versus you know, just sitting back and taking it
(47:17):
in and like responding yeah, you know, yeah, just like
it helps me.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's calming, it's calming. So you would say your faith
is like your therapy. Yes, so to speak for sure, Okay,
you know you can have God in.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Man, listen, I have nothing you know, against going to
therapy or I just you know, I don't think that.
I mean, we were talking about it in regard to
my parents, so you know, I just don't feel like
I'm like, I'm you know, I'm not confused. I'm just
(47:55):
not confused. I understand you're feeling it at all. Yeah,
I'm feeling it all every morning, every every morning. You know,
I could listen, we about to go laugh, joke, whatever
I'm about to get on the plane might break down
like a rusty shock gun. But it's you know, it's
just what happens.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I know you've got that warrior spirit.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Just I just wonder when you to go to person,
go to person, always have to make sure they got
somebody to go to.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh yeah, but I do, Yeah, I do, man. I
have I have, like really really.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I got you know, longstanding, very important friendships. I have family.
I got my brother, I got my wife. I gotta
I just gotta look at my son and everything else
is like.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
All right. Two more questions.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Is your creative growth right now as an artist just
as important to you as your growth as a man.
Or is it the growth of a man first then
your creative growth as an artist?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I would say the growth my growth is a man first,
because again I'm not I'm not really just living for
me at this point, you know so? And I want,
you know, I want my son, who's like going to
be watching me, watching me every step of the way,
(49:18):
to see.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
His dad like really just grow, developed, prosper.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
And set a really strong example for him.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's how I know.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Like that, even though I think this is your best
body of work, like you're gonna be one of them
you a hole maybe nas too, It's gonna be the
rapper that makes that hip hop thrill album. The only
reason I said, because you still got so much to
tap into. Yeah, so many other stories to be told,
Like we know, push you too. Yeah, Terrence demands to
(49:53):
me a whole different individual, Right, I got a whole
other story.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Do you think about stuff like that fifty and making
that yeah personal album?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
No, I really do I think about that a lot.
You know, I was saying earlier that this is it
is our era that is gonna be the error to
show that, you know, you can be timeless in hip hop.
So with you know what comes along with that is
(50:26):
you know, the quote unquote Thriller album as fifty You know, well,
hopefully it's forty five.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Is that gonna be a push up to your album
or Eclipse album?
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Oh well, listen, I'm always I'm always shooting for a
masterpiece in whichever album it would be. I would love
to do a Clips album. You know, I just in
that space.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I don't know. I can't say. I can't say he's
in that space.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean, he didn't gave me a good offerends, though,
I will say that.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, So what does success look like to you?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Success to me is peace of mind, peace of mind
and being able to provide for you and yours and
and you know, just just being comfortable, man, being comfortable
with yourself, like you know you can have you can
have everything in the world, but if you ain't comfortable
(51:28):
with yourself, none of it matters.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And it and it doesn't even look good, all right,
push you appreciate your tame. It's almost dry, it's almost dry.
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