December 9, 2021 • 50 mins
The Black Effect Presents Charlamagne Tha God and Travis Scott in his first interview since the tragedies at the Astroworld Festival. During this open conversation, Scott goes in depth about the events that occurred on November 5th and how he wants to ensure it never happens again.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Travis Scott, what's up, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What to do?
Speaker 1 (00:02):
How you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Uh? You know, as you I've been on about like
different type of like emotions, you know, emotional roller coaster.
I mean it gets so hard because you know, I'm
so I always felt like connected with my fans, and
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you know, I went through something, you know, and I
feel like fans went through something and people's parents went
through something, and it's you know it really you know,
it hurts. It hurts the community, hurts a city. It's
just been a lot of thoughts, you know, a lot
of feelings, a lot of grieving and just you know,
trying to get you wrap my head around it. You know,
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I really just really wanted to be there and just
you know, wish you could just kind of like hold everyone,
you know, kind of just held them, talk to them,
have conversations. H you know, it just it's just, you know,
it really hurts me.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What's what's your intention with this conversation? Like, like what
do you hope to get out of this? So what
do you hope to get out?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't personally have an intention. I just feel like
something happened and I feel like it's just I needed
just a way to kind of like communicate, you know, one,
you know, the families a grieving you know, it's fans
that experienced something, as fans that came to a show, uh,
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you know, And I feel like I just have like
a I've always been that person that always see things
through with the people that shared experiences with me, and
you know, it's just things happening, you know, I just
kind of you know, it's been such a such a
time and I've just been trying to just really figured
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things out. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I know you I'm sure you're experiencing remorse, But was
there any hesitation to have this conversation because of the
litigation you may be facing.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I mean, yeah, of course you got people it's
just like, oh what like you know, but it's not
about that, you know, it's you know, you're an artist,
you whoever people think you are about the end of
the day, You're a human being. You know, you have emotions.
You want to communicate them emotions, you know, and trying
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to find the best way to communicate, you know, how
you just feeling, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
How have you been coping with the aftermath of everything?
Just just just emotionally, just you as a human.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I've been just in a room for a while, you know,
a lot of thoughts and luckily, you know, you have
people around that you kind of outsideas but it's just
been you know, I've been doing this for such a
long time, and you know, you nothing like this ever happened,
you know, so it just kind of like you just
kind of figuring out and at the end of the day,
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like these fans of your family, so you just feel
like you lost lost something. You just like you go
you do these shows honestly, the you know, for people
to have the best experience, you know, and just to
think that something like this happening. You just try to
figure out, you know, you know, just wrap everything around.
And so even just for the first couple a couple
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of weeks, you know, it was just be sitting down,
but I have to really channel these emotions to just remember, like,
you know, if no one's going to be a voice
for these people, I got to like kind of step
up and kind of like be a voice to just
figure out that, you know, just just having in the
future the shows period, you know what I'm saying, or
figure out the bottom solution of what's going on and
just try to ensure's people, you know, safety and what
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they're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
You know, you said you was in the room, but
then people saw you at the golf course. Yeah, Michael
and Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It was just Thanksgiving, you know, and they were there.
You know, it's just good people to have around in
the community, and you know, that was just more like
a personal time, just trying to get around. I think
like some fan came and asked for a photo.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But yeah, now let's talk about that night. Man.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
When when did when did you find out things got
as bad as they did?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's that's the question everybody wants to know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it wasn't really until like minutes until like the
press conference, until I figured out exactly what happened. You know,
even after the show, you know you're just kind of
hearing hearing things, but you don't know. I didn't know
the exact details until you know, minutes before the press conference.
And even at that moment you kind of just like wait,
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you know what, like you know, you just went through
something and it's just like wait, what you know, So.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You didn't know people that actually passed away, wow, until
minutes before you know, it was just yeah, you know
and the thing is like, you know, people pass out,
you know people, you know, things happen at concerts, but
something like that, it's just like, yeah, people said they collectively,
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they collectively hurt folks screaming help every time you stop
the song to get your attention.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Did you did you hear any of those screams?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Man? And you know it's so crazy because I'm not.
I'm that artist too. Like, you know, anytime you can
hear something like that, you want to stop the show.
You want to make sure, you know, fans get the
proper attention they need, you know, And anytime I could
see anything like that, I did, you know, you know,
I stopped like a couple of times to just make
sure everybody was okay, and I just really just go
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off the you know, the fans energy as a collective,
you know, call a response. And I just didn't. I
just didn't hear that. You know, I got music in years,
but I just didn't. I just didn't hear that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, break that down a little more, like nobody
knows what it's like being on stage except for other artists,
or speak to us from that perspective of what you
can see in here.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It was like, what fifty thousand people.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean you got like a a Vedo, you know,
feel like fifty thousand people. But it's like, I see,
you got lights, you got sound, you got pyro, you know,
you got your in ears, got your sound, got your mic,
you know, got the music, you got band. It's all
type of you know, stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it's hard to tell excitement from from from dangers,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Of course, everything kind of just sounds the same. And
at the end of the day, you just hear music,
you know, and when you do, you just hear a
monks of things, you know, But you just when you're
in the show, you just into the show. And anytime
you can feel anything closer, you know, you try to
like definitely get to that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So so as an artist, how much can you actually,
I guess help in that position.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You can only help what you can see, you know
what I mean. And then, but you know, whatever you told,
you know what I'm saying, whenever somebody tell you to stop,
you just stop. But just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It wasn't It wasn't that night, huh. You know, raging.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Raging has been a part of the culture, you know,
of your shows. You know you didn't on this night,
but in the past you've been encouraged. I guess the
kind of energy that could have led to something like
this happening. Do you think that contributed to the energy
of this night.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, nah, I think you know, it's something I've been
working on, you know, for a while, of just creating
these experiences and trying to show like the experiences happening
in the safe environment. You know, us as artists, we
trust you know, professionals to make sure that you know,
things happen and people leave, you know, safely, you know
what I'm saying. And this night was just like a
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regular show. You know, it felt like to me as
far as like you know, the energy people, it didn't
feel like it was like you know, people didn't I
don't people didn't show up there to just be harmful.
People just I think showed up to have a good
time and then you know, something unfortunate happened, and I
think we really just got to figure out, you know
what that was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You know, does raging make it harder to identify when
something is going wrong in the crowd?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, I think, you know, raging is just a you know,
they have a textbook you know definition. But you know
in the concerts, we've grown it to be just the
experience of having fun. It's not about just oh harm,
It's not about that. It's about just letting go and
having fun, you know, help others, know, love each other.
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It's not about just you know, harm, That's not what
it's all about. The show isn't just rambunctious for an hour.
You know, that's not what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Trust me, I grew up on crunk, so you know
I understand. You know, you just don't. You don't want
it to get two out of heads.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, but you know the code. You know, energy is high,
you know, and you know, and that's why you want
to just make sure that, you know, people are surrounded
to make sure that people are just having the best experience,
you know what I'm saying. You know, I can't say
the energy is high, but you know, you want to
make sure that people are there for people to have
like the best experience in lead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You want people to have a good time. You want
people to get hurt at all.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah yeah, and you know, God forbid passed away, and
you know it's typical for you to stop the show
to make sure fans in the crowd get to help,
you know, they need they even footge that night of
you doing that during the set where you unable to
sense like a difference in urgency this time around.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean yeah, because you know, you stop the show,
but you know, you know, if something's gonna happen, if
it's something detrimental, somebody's gonna let you know, you know,
or you know, the show just stop. And you know
that's just wasn't the case. You know, I just kind
of stopped the show. You know, you just asked, you
have a call and response to the fans. You try to,
you know, generally get a response, but you know, if
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you don't get like a hard stop, you know, it's
just you can't. You just don't you just go off
of what's going on, you know, which makes it so
like so crazy because like, you know, if I feel like,
if you know, anyone would have known, it would have
just been like it wouldn't have gotten far.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You know, what headspace were you in when you posted
that initial that initial response video.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean it was I think it had to been
the night of you know, so I was just in
a headspace of just trying to get a communication out
to my fans, you know, and I had little to
no information, you know, so I was just trying to
figure it out and just communicate to them, you know. Yeah,
I was just reacting, just literally just to get some
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to the fans. You know, it's people that showed up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Do you regret that initial video.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Do you regret reacting in that way or not, like
not having all the information before you said something.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean yeah, because you know, you just don't know
what's going on. But at the end of the day,
I don't, you know, I just wanted to get something out.
You know, how my message came out, I can't you know,
I can only go off what I you know, what
I know, but my true and titters of it, you know,
was really just trying to get a message across, and
you know, I really wanted to just touch the fans,
touch to the families. You know that we here, we
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grieving and we will get through this, you know, through
this process.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So what did you know in that first video?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I mean, at that time, I think we just knew that,
you know, people passed. You know, we didn't know how
you know that it was you know, the news. You know,
I think police came out and said something. You know,
you're just going off with what you're seeing in the
in the in the news. You know, you don't really
know nothing. And then as it did, is go on,
you start collect a little bit more information.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
They said there was a there was like chaos and
trampling being reported since the early afternoon, like like hours
before the show even started. Were you informed of any
of that ahead of time? Well, no, like and you
know the police.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
He came, he came in to my trailer and you know,
he congratulated me on you know, the event and you know,
having something like this in Houston. He let me know
that this it was, uh, you know mishap at the
Merging Grove earlier. You know they shut it down, but
they opened it back up. They seem we got it
under control. You know, he was going to step out
and just let us know if we need anything, you know,
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have a good show. That was it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You know a lot of the criticism, you know, from
the tragedy, they say is in the poor planning and
understaffing of the of the event.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
As an artist, do you have any involvement in any
of that?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, I mean we just as an artist, you just
do the creative and for this been my festival. You know,
I got you know, bring artists you know, creatively produce it,
and you know we're just trusting you know, the professionals
to kind of just make sure that you know, people
you know taken care of and you know, leaving safely.
You know, I just can control what I can on
the stage and then you know you have the professionals
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control what they can in the crowd. You know, it's
just hard because as an artist, you know, you want
to have like the best shows and you want to
have the best experiences, and you you know, you link
with professionals to handle that side of it, you know,
and you know you want to know what's going on.
I think that's what we got to figure out, you know,
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and figure out what happened there, how that happened.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know, you spoke on the Houston Police chief. His
name is de Troy Finny. He came to you and
he said he voiced concerns over the crowd energy. So
what did you and your team like do with that
information we got, Well, I think that's what the media.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I think that's what the media said, but I think
I think it read to more so that he wanted
us to. He knew that our crowd was, you know,
the type of crowd that comes it crumbs, a heavy crowd,
so to communicate with him if we were doing anything
outside of the week's our itinerary. You know that week
we were doing like a lot of charity stuff prior
to the festival, so you know the security at most
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of the events. But you know, he was just letting
us you know, I guess in that statement, he was
just saying, if we do anything outside of what we
had on our tenerary or our tenerary, let him know.
But you know, we didn't even get to that point.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It was crazy, just you know, being kicking it with
you for a little bit, Like I can see that
you know, this is weighing real. So how much do
you do you feel a sense of responsibility for what
happened at well.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You know, fans come to have a come to the
show and have a good experience, you know, and I
have a responsibility to to figure out what happened here.
I have a responsibility to figure out the solution, you know,
and I gotta and hopefully this takes the first step
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into you know, us as artists, you know, having that
more insight of what's going on, you know what I'm saying,
and you know, the professionals to kind of you know,
surround and figure out more of an intel, whether it's tech,
whether it's you know, more of a response, whether it's
whatever the problem is, you know, to figure out that
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and in the future and moving forward and concert safety
make sure this never happened again.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let's talk about those professionals, like how much how much
responsibility do you think like Live Nation and score more
the promoters having all of this, I mean, you.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Know, they do their job of you know, setting these
things up. So I mean I think you know, they
they when we dial into what you know specifically happen here,
I feel like, you know, even they can kind of help,
you know, figure out what happened in the sense, you know.
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But at the end of the day, I think collectively
everyone needs to just figure out the bottom line solution.
But you know, especially in concert safety, you know, definitely
got to have you know, make sure that you know
these things are you know done right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You think these festivals are too big, man, fifty dollars
people is a lot of people for anybody to their
festivals that are bigger, you know, way bigger, and you know,
I just think it's.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Not about the maximum of it. I think it's about
the attention to what's going on and how it's going on.
And as long as that's handled, I feel like, you know,
things can be you know, it can go okay, We'll
be okay, you know. But if you look at it
through the history of festivals, you know, this isn't the
first time happening. It's been a long history of this,
you know. So I feel like if you look at
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the overall you know, view of that, and you kind
of like dowaling, Okay, what could we do better to
fix this overall for general concert safety, I think we
figure out the problem, you know, and make it better
for people to have better live experiences.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Live Nation reportedly agreed to end the concert early after
the Houston PD and the Fire Department declared it a
mash cas of the event, but the concert continued for
another forty minutes. Was there ever any communication that you
on stage that you should in this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, yeah, I mean it just told me right after
you know, the guests get off stage, you know, we're
going in the show, and that's what we did, you know,
other than that, there's no other communication. So after the
guests what you mean, Yeah, after the guest comes out,
we're gonna We're going to end the show. But it
wasn't a communication on why, you know, it was just
you know, that's what came through my ears.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So they didn't say stop now, gotchay. Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You feel like people are forcing more responsibility on you
because you are the front man because it was Astra World.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm gonna you know,
I'm in the face of the festival. You know, I'm
an artist, you know, so yeah, you know in the
media is you know, they yeah, they want to, you know,
put it on me in But at the end of
the day, it's like, I don't think it's more so
about that. I think it's more so about stepping up
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to figure out what the problem is. And I could
take that. I could take you know, stepping up to
figure out what the problem is. I could take stepping
into figuring out the solution that never happened, because that's
what I generally want to do in general, even just
for my communit. You know, the whole idea for why
I brought this festival to the city was to you know,
show that Heaston is something different, you know, and show
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that there's all different types of lives, there's all different
type of energy, and just bring that morale to the city,
and just bring that energy to the city. So I
definitely want to, you know, step in to figure out,
you know, how can we fix this in the future,
what can we do to you know, change these things?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You know, do you feel like you did everything you
possibly could to help in that situation?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yes, yes, anything I physically can't sure, Yes, you know,
and it and it just you know, if knowing you
know what's going on, you know, you would just wish,
you know, you know, if you you know, could have
something better, you know. But standing there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Thousand percent, you know, we know that the families of
the people who passed are definitely watching this right now,
and you know, there's nothing you could say. The hill,
the trauma these families who lost loved ones are you know,
are going through. But being that you know they're watching,
what would you what would you say to them?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Directly?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'll say to them that I'm always here and that
you know I'm you know, I'm I'm in this with
you guys, and I love you. You know, and I
always you know, be there to help you guys, heal
to this. And I understand that they're going through you know,
they're grieving right now and find understanding right now, and
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you know, it's not just like a right now thing.
It's for everything. And these people that came to the show,
they are my family. And I've always had that connection
to the people. I feel like they listen to the
music or came to my shows. And that's why I really,
you know, it's really hard on me even just you know,
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to even like, you know, man, even because you know
they end up they they they lost they they lost
their loved ones, you know, so it you know, it's
it's tough, and you know, I just want to always
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just be there for them and just always just be
able to just know that I'm gonna fix this for
the future people, you know, and and fix the solution
and fix this problem man, you know, and find a
solution to make sure that this doesn't happen in the future,
and definitely be the number one voice for this, you know,
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because that, you know, I feel like that's like one
of the what we what we got to figure out,
because other than that, it's like you know, the show
goes on tomorrow, you know, something goes How does the
how does this get fixed?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
This could happen again? What's happened before?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, you're you're you're a father, you know, God forbid
when your kids are of age, if they're in a
situation like this, you know what you do, put yourself
in those parents shoes right now? What would what would
you want to see come of this situation? If you
I will want to see people put their hands together.
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I want to see people really figure this out, not
take this lightly, you.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know, and really act on it. And that's you know,
that's one of the main things that's important. I feel
like they got to just act on it. It can't
just be like something that happens and and just roll over.
We gotta be something that's taken serious and address seriously
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and things formed around it. Time and a lot of
a lot of time and a lot of you know,
thinking power spent on this, you know, and really fixing
you know, whatever system needs to be fixed, you.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Know, from the lawsuits to the media coverage. Do do
you feel like you're personally under attack?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, you
see a name in it in it and ship and
it's like, but you know, at the end of the day,
you step in these you know, you step you want
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to do a festival, and you know, we want to
do things, and you want to build up. You know,
it comes with certain things, right, So I think it's
all about how you respond to it, and think it's
all about how you react, right So I could feel
that way, but I think more so about it's more
about how I feel about the response that I that
I that I'm that I care about more so, which
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is you know, actually, you know, trying to step in
and you know, really step up to really fixing what's
happening and and really step up for the safety of
concert goers people in just live spaces period.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I wonder, I wonder, is there a way to even
prepare for this, because nobody, like you said, when you're
doing the planning for a show like this, nobody is
planning for this to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So how do you how do you even prepare for
something like this that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't know? And I feel like when we get
I feel like, when it comes out a little bit more,
how this could have happened. I feel like that's how
we can kind of attack that. But even I was
thinking a way, It's like tech solutions. You know, people
come into these festivals with these bands that only scan
you in right, you have you know, you have all
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types of tech now that can track your heart contract
your you know, oxygen levels contracting to be sick. You
can put things now if you're going to be you know,
get lost. It's all types of ways now. I feel
like that can be the band that only gets you
access to entry, or to the food line or to
food trucks. Can now be soluble to help and save lives,
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you know, can now be more of a respond to
people that are now on site and on ground. I
feel like that could be a way, or you know,
even just figuring out what the exact solution of what
the exact problem of it was and dialing more into that.
I think you can kind of I feel like there
is a way. I just think it needs to be
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time spent on figuring that, figuring that out.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Have you been able to have any personal conversations with
any of the families who lost levels.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was able to, but you know, I just want
to dis respect that, you know, the privacy of the
conversation and I'm thankful for them for even allowing me
to have the conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
How did you feel when some of the families rejected
your offer to pay for the funerals?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All things are understandable, and you know, at the time,
they're grieving and they're trying to find understanding, and you know,
they want answers, and it's not about it's not about that.
You know, I'm always going to be here, you know,
to want to help them, you know what I'm saying,
And it's not gonna you know, I got to continue
to show up for that. You know. I just wanted
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to make sure that they knew that I was there
for them, you know what I mean, and continue to
be there for them. I think that's just more so
what it's about for that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, some people say your your your music played a
role in this, Like I've seen them, you know, cite
lyrics you know that encouraged just kind of behavior. I've
seen him say your music is demonic and this was
a satanic ritual.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You think your music is the blame?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I mean no, I mean one, I'm a man of God,
so that's the first thing first, and you know, so
it's just yeah, that's that and you know, your music
is just like self expression, you know what I'm saying.
And at these shows, I feel like people kind of
(26:29):
like look at things. And if you've been to a
Travis shows, it's been different layers of shows. You know.
I think people are just you know, misconceptions and taking
them sing and you know, all types of things, you know,
And I've took pride in trying to you know, grow
from where I was when I first recorded music. So
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now when I'm going to music, so yeah, I just
think people gotta and that's one thing with me is
just people gotta kind of you know, experience it sometimes.
And I think that's what it was. You know, people
were kind of like even before people were hearing about it,
to come and experience it and taking away their own thinking.
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It's always going to be an outside opinion. But you know,
for the ones that you know really believe in me
and you know understand what you know, what I'm about
and what I'm doing. No, that's not that's not what
I'm you know, I'm preaching. I always preach like love,
I always preach understanding, always preach you know, take care
of your loved ones, love each other. You know what
I'm saying, get out your ideas, never let never let
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yourselves be stopped, you know, love one another and step
into that, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I mean I think that's a part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But the music does encourage people to be violent at
these shows.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Mean, that's what the rage is about.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean, most of the music is me sometimes talking
about what I see at the shows, you know what
I mean. If I'm talking about the shows, you know,
and so it's just that's just you know, the energy,
you know what I'm saying. But the energy isn't to
come and start, you know, being ultra violent and just
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being violent and hurting each other. That's not it's not
what it's about.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So it's more so supposed to be entertainment.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Everything is, you know, and it's about what your experience
you know, at the shows and what you see.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
You know, what has changed the content of your music
moving forward? You think.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know what happened, you know what happened here wasn't
off Travis Scott music. It wasn't. That wasn't Oh now
you need to like switch up. No, I mean I've
made all different type of music music in the first place,
you know, I'm never was just like one laying or
one genre in the first place. So I just think
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it's all about experiences and I feel like, you know,
you know, it could be music to come out of it.
Lyricism just emotion. You know, music is emotion, you know,
and music is healing, and you know, you can just
find healing and find emotion, and you know in that,
you know, and just more progressive. You know, everything I'm
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trying to do is just more progressive.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You said you're a man of God. And when I
even said that, you know, they say your music is satanic.
I saw the face that you made. What do you
what do you think that even comes from Travis Scott
is satanic?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Travis Scott?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I just think it's just things people collect. You know.
People look at the Internet and they just collect and
they look at things, and they look at visuals, and
you know, you have all these theorists and people just
thinking they're looking at visuals and don't understand, you know,
just the idea of like what art may be or
what what you're trying to do. You know, they're just
making up your own message, especially when you're not out
there like yelling the message all the time. No, it's
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just yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And when they say this is a community event astro world. Yeah,
so they say community event is a Satanic ritual.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How does that?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, it's like it's it's crazy because you know, it's like,
I do this for people to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We have rides, we have games, you know, it's things
for people to get off, creative experiences. It's not you know,
the show is at the end of the day. You know,
it's like you know, and that show is just something
based on on what's you know, just it's things. You know.
It's not like like while we wake up one day
and just trying to this just that's evil. It's not
what we're a part of. Not trying to be a
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part of that. We're trying to be a part of joy,
trying to be a part of light, trying to be
a part of full blown happiness, love, you know, understanding
people taking care of each other, you know, community, people
to leave from these experiences and want to go out
and do good. It's literally what we want, you know,
we want to show them these things. You know, we
put everything into the you know, this is you know,
this festival, you know, this is our third year, you know,
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so we try to put you know, we every year,
we put everything into the festival so people can enjoy it.
You know, it's not about even just come perform that
not that you know, it's things for them to do
all day, and different artists from the experience.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Too, have the trauma of this tragedy impacting your desire
to perform in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I've always seen performances of art of healing for me.
That's why I've always been so into it. You know,
I don't know if you like, you know, looked at
like some of the growth from where I've tried to
take performance. I've always tried to I feel like it's
the ARTI of feeling. I feel like it's a moment
where people have a mutual understanding, you know, And I
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feel like the first things first before anything is that
we address you know, a lot of safety concerns. I
think the first things first is that because not even
just for me, you don't want other you know, artists
to have to go and take a part of that trauma,
take a part of that experience, take a part of that,
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you know, that fear. You don't want concert growths to
still be a part of that fear. They want you,
you want them to feel safe, you know what I'm saying.
So I think that's just the first things first. And
I think once we take major steps into moving in
that direction, you know, I feel like, you know, it
can be cool for people to practice that healing again,
you know, and understand that. I don't think people should
(32:07):
run away from it and shy away from it. I think,
you know, it's a former healing, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, no matter what you do at any of
your shows in the future, regardless of how much security,
how much safety you put in place, you cannot control
human behavior. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, you can't control forty fifty thousand people doing whatever
it is they do. Is that scary you?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean yeah, But you know you also put trust
in the fans too, to you know, just have a
good time. You know, you just reinstill that, and you know,
you continue to practice, you know, when you're on stage
to just remind them, you know, and even when they're there,
to just constantly have messages to remind them like, yo, look,
you've had to have a good time. We're not here.
If you see somebody, you know, help another, you know,
(32:51):
I think it's just continue to reinstill that message I
think help that mindset if Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
So after a world was one of you know, several
ways you gave back to Houston, you think you've you know,
lost that privilege to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
To be honest, I haven't really like thought about that
because I've just been thinking about just community healing and
you know, the family's healing and you know, all those
things kind of building back up.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
That's that could take forever.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Though, you know, I don't know if you ever truly heal, yeah,
from these type of situations.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And you know, but you know, through these things, you know,
like I said, music is part of healing. And at
the end of the day, I don't I just don't think,
you know, the Travis Scott show or you know, an
astro or show, you know, wasn't the bottom line factor
of what happened, you know, And I think we just
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got to figure out what that was what happened. But
you know, having a Travis Scott show and we've done
shows you know, all over that wasn't the you know,
what happened here. You know, something that happened, you know,
And that's why I want to fix it because it
can happen anywhere, you know what I'm saying. And I
think once we get further along in that, I think,
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you know, you know, it would be more a little
bit more receptive.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I feel, just just you as an individual when you
perform again, what precautions will.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You take moving forward?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Just you just based off what you can personally control,
what precautions would you take moving forward?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'll do the same thing I'm you know, been doing,
just double you know, making sure everybody is on posts
and you know, I'll do the you know, double down
on just making sure that everyone is locked in, everyone
is aware, everyone is on response, everybody is on you know,
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on it, you know what I'm saying, and look out,
try to you know, if you felt like it wasn't
there more push for it to be more push the
call responsible with the fans, like what you mean, like
you yell okay, you know, like you know, try to
have some sort of color response with the fans while
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still being smooth in the performance, because at the end
of the day, it's still performance, are right, you know
what I'm saying. And that's why the whole general, whole
idea about this is you want to make sure that
is all these factors are are done before we even
go into these things, you know, because you want to
just when you go in, you want to have the
mindset that, Okay, people are going to be okay, we
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can have a good show. If anything's going down, people
are gonna be right there to be the first one
to get to them, you know, and if it's gonna
be in the communication, it's you know communication. But you know,
I think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
When you did stop the show, how did you see
that one person?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean he was right there. You know, you had
like you have people like just spread it out, you know,
And so I'm looking and I'm like, oh, so I
just called down and you know, the medics just came in, responded,
got them out. You know, that's that's the only one
you saw that, Yeah, that's only one I saw. And
then you know when I've seen the lights in the back,
(36:08):
you know, I just double check make sure everyone's okay.
You know, I got a response to everyone's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
How normal is that to see ambulances and everything else
at these specials?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Well, it was it was lights. So you know, an
ambulance don't really have like red and blue lights. You know, Oh,
if you thought, I don't you don't know, you just
you just looking at his lights. That's why I asks,
I'm just like, yo is an ambulance, Like what's going on?
You know, know if it's like somebody got to lights up
there doing you know, doing some turn you don't know,
(36:39):
you know, but you know I didn't get a response,
so you know, you know, you got a response for
the fans. You know that I actually wone to put
her hand up, and then you know, didn't get a
response from anything else, so just carried on.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Did they make you feel judged when you see videos,
you know, circulating the other artists stopping their shows, like
the check on fans. Since since as the world, it's
almost like the insinuation from other artists is that like
you didn't do enough, So we don't want to be
like travel.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'll take it as you know, they're just taking extra precautions,
you know, because it might not have been something that
you know was running through their mind at time before,
and they're just taking extra precautions to you know, make
sure they don't run through the same same problems. And
(37:29):
I can commend them for that. You know, I've always
done the same thing. You know in my prior shows
and at this show, so you know, I feel them,
you know, I just think it's been a little bit
more people are more capturing now, like because of what's
going on. I think that's just how the media works.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Do you feel like your team right now is allowing
you to do everything that you possibly could do and
as far as what just as far as like anything
REGARDSS to this situation, you know, speaking out well, reaching
out to families whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, yeah, you know, you know, it's a lot of
legal into it. But at the end of the day,
I'm you know, I'm human, So I want to do
so much to try to like help and heal. And
you know, you want to give time for people to heal.
You want to give time, but you know, I want
to be able to like go and start taking these
steps too, you know, addressing these you know, these problems
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and you know, getting to the solutions, you know, addressing
the solutions and addressing ways to fix these things from
happening in the future. Like and I think that's the
main thing. And I've always took a I've always sicked
pride in trying to lead things and go and attack things,
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and you know, be the first to jump out and
go do it, you know. So I'm I'm I'm more
than you know, happy enough to go.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But but then there's the person Travis Scott. But then
there's the business of Travis Scott. I'm sure there's a
lot of people around and you're trying to protect the business. Yeah,
so for you personally, like you know, how much do
you want to protect the business as well?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I mean at the end of the day, like
people haven't understand these businesses aren't built because you know,
you Charlotte Mane and I'm Travis. So it's like I've
always cared about, you know, the fans. I don't give it.
You know, it's about them, you know. So it's like
(39:36):
obviously it's like business in this, but I've always been
the one that's like pushed back on vocally, like, yo,
you know, we gotta you know, this is about you know,
the fans, and you know the team has always felt
the same way, and so any time I've ever done
anything corporately, that's just how I've always been. It's just like, yo,
we want to go do things to make sure that
the people that are experiencing this product is having the
(39:58):
best experience. It's not a about you know, what we
could do, like the numbers, like you know, that's not
what we chase here. We chase for people to have
the best experience. You know, we want people to have
enjoyed ourselves. We want people to walk away with like
just ideas like well, it's is like.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know, they said that there's no prominent friends our
enemies in business. So you know, if anybody decides to
back away from Travis Scott on a corporate level, do
you care.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I've never jumped into things with people that didn't
know me, so everyone else surrounded myself with you know,
It's always been you know, a backbone and you know,
supportive to anything I you know, I want to do
to help fix anything that could be a good cause,
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you know. So you know I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know, if the families are the victims, never forgive you,
Will you ever be able to forgive yourself?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Can you live with that?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Mhm? Nah? It's tough, you know, it's real tough because
I want them to really know that my intentions, you know,
it wasn't you know, it wasn't the harm and their
family at all. It's for them to come to have
a good experience, you know. And yeah, like you know,
(41:33):
I've always feel like I have a connection with my fans,
you know, through the music. I feel like when they
come to see me, it's not just like oh they're coming,
they're coming to It's like a connection and you know,
sometimes not knowing, you know, people are not understanding like
artists and where we come from. That it could be
a disconnect and you know, I would love to you know,
(41:54):
instead of understanding and you know, for them to truly
know where my heart's from. You know, it didn't come
for them for me to horror and it wasn't about
a show to keep you know at all. You know,
it's you know, it's about for them to have you know,
one of the you know, a very good time, and
it's just charged that it didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You know. Do you feel like you're being villainized?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I mean I feel like it comes with being in
a seat, you know, and I feel like they pointing
the finger at me because it's my festival or they
want to you know, it's I am who I am,
you know, and it maybe not a lot of like
understanding about like what's going on. But you know, like
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I said before, I feel like I can kind of
like take that in a sense because my whole career,
I feel like people have been trying to do that
and I feel like I've shown through actions that that's
not my character, that's not you know, that's not who
I am. I'm shining through positive you know, and I
feel like, you know, with understanding and with everything, I
(43:02):
feel like people understand that what my heart wasn't there
to be the villain, you know, it was there to
be like a hometown hero.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
The day before Astro World, there's footage of you discussing
the importance of giving back to your community and how
much it means to you to be able to do that.
Do you think people have forgotten, you know, your heart
and all this and what Astra World was truly about.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
You know, I think people are, you know, grieving, and
it can get it can get you know, misplaced with
you know, who cares about that what's going on right now.
But you know, like I said, I just want to
continue to, you know, stay on those stepping blocks and
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continue to doing the charity I've been doing it, and continue
to doing the community work. I've been doing for Houston.
You know, I was doing those things before and not
looking for people to pat me on the back for them.
You know, I was just on them, just simply just
to make a change. And so you wouldn't be surprised
if people don't, you know, pay attention to some of
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those things throughout whenever you are doing them, but that's
not what you're doing for really, So I feel like
at the end of the day, you continue to do
those things regardless.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know, you think you'll ever be able to recover
from this emotionally.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know, my grandmother, my dad, my mom, They've always
told me to, you know, put your faith in God
and high behind his wing. And at the end of
the day, I think you gotta. I've always told myself,
you know, things are not gonna get hard. You know,
things can be feeling amazing sometimes and things can get
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real hard, you know. And I think how you respond
to things and where you channel your emotions is very important,
you know, especially at a time like this, and and
I gave you know it was it was hard for
me to really because it was the first it was
for time anything like this, I've even seen anything like
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this hurting me and happening you know, to this whole community.
You know, it just it just you know, you kind
of just you want to be able to channel that
emotion to just respond and you got to be strong man.
Stepping in and doing the things for the community doesn't
come with being you know two weak. You got to
(45:31):
be able to you know, step through these things and
show people that you really, you really care. You know.
This wasn't just to get to the point to do this,
but it was really to create active change, you know.
And I think you know these are you know, it's
these moments right now where you got to really show,
you know, where your heart is in this thing, you know,
(45:53):
and I think you know that's what I've always you
know one wanted to do and you know, don't want
to just continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I'm glad you're missing your face because that was one
of my one of my last questions, like how important
is family been in this situation?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You know, it's been important, you know, you know, you know,
all my family was there too, you know, so it's
been important. But to be able to have them and
bounce back, you know, ideas and you know them grieve
with you know for those families as well. Pray for
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those families as well, continue to you know them also
being to help in hand as well, you know, which
gives me more hands to help. I feel like which
is more important? And you know, you know, them always
having my back to support the idea want to create
(46:50):
this change. I think, you know, at least gives me
more confidence that you know, I'm not in this salone,
you know what I'm saying to help fix this, you know,
for this, for the families, for the community.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
As a superstar.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
It's weird, right because these same outlets that report on
this tragedy with something like the w couple leaks and
now they want to get back to your relationship and
whether you and you know.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Coylie or together or not, is that not strange to you?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I mean, yeah, so I don't really like do only
do magazines? I like, you know, but you know, magazine's
gonna try to like figure out what the fuck they
want to figure out, you know. I just I've never
(47:44):
did anything for a relationship for you know, anybody to
try to figure out put a label on what they
want to put it on. You know, you know what
our relationship is, and you know it's so I just
stand strong on it.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
So I guess my final question, man, who does who
does Travis Gott ultimately, I guess think is responsible for
this tragedy.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know, it's crazy because something tragic happened here. And
what's what I've just been trying to, you know, get
to the bottom of, is just what happened here, how
it happened here? And you know, I think the families
are old, you know that I feel like, you know,
(48:30):
the community is old that I feel like we're old
at to just know what happened here. And you know,
I don't want to I don't want to just speak
too soon. I just want to figure out, you know,
what happened. You know. But you know, we, like I said,
you know, as an artist, we just leave this up,
(48:51):
you know too, you know, to professionals to make sure
that we you know that fans are having a good time,
you know, people or protected and can you know, leave
and have the best experience ever.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know they're going to pick this interview apart.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
So is there anything you want to say, you know,
to your fans, to the family of people who lost
loved ones, you know, before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
I mean, I just want to I want everyone to
just continue praying for the fans. I want to continue.
I want people to continue praying for the ones the
fans that was lost, you know. I want people to
continue praying for the families. I want people continue just
reaching out for healing. I want people to continue to
just be there for each other and remember that you
(49:39):
know that love is just you know everything, and with that,
you know, we can try to cure everything, you know,
and take steps into you know, healing. And I think
the more we try to, you know, continue to let
people grieve and continue to beat there for people and
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you know, checking more people and you know, checking on
your loved ones and just you know that, you know,
I think that's just like one of the most important things,
you know, staying strong through this while we you know,
figure out what's going on, you know, and bring understanding
to these families and to the community.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
That's what we're gonna We're gonna send healing energy to
everybody involved, the families, you know, those who were lost, yourself,
because nobody wants tragedies like this, not at all, so
preventing them moving forward is the only thing we can do.
Appreciate you, brother man, Yes, sir, absolutely
Travis Scott, what's up, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What to do?
Speaker 1 (00:02):
How you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Uh? You know, as you I've been on about like
different type of like emotions, you know, emotional roller coaster.
I mean it gets so hard because you know, I'm
so I always felt like connected with my fans, and
(00:26):
you know, I went through something, you know, and I
feel like fans went through something and people's parents went
through something, and it's you know it really you know,
it hurts. It hurts the community, hurts a city. It's
just been a lot of thoughts, you know, a lot
of feelings, a lot of grieving and just you know,
trying to get you wrap my head around it. You know,
(00:48):
I really just really wanted to be there and just
you know, wish you could just kind of like hold everyone,
you know, kind of just held them, talk to them,
have conversations. H you know, it just it's just, you know,
it really hurts me.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What's what's your intention with this conversation? Like, like what
do you hope to get out of this? So what
do you hope to get out?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't personally have an intention. I just feel like
something happened and I feel like it's just I needed
just a way to kind of like communicate, you know, one,
you know, the families a grieving you know, it's fans
that experienced something, as fans that came to a show, uh,
(01:38):
you know, And I feel like I just have like
a I've always been that person that always see things
through with the people that shared experiences with me, and
you know, it's just things happening, you know, I just
kind of you know, it's been such a such a
time and I've just been trying to just really figured
(02:00):
things out. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I know you I'm sure you're experiencing remorse, But was
there any hesitation to have this conversation because of the
litigation you may be facing.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I mean, yeah, of course you got people it's
just like, oh what like you know, but it's not
about that, you know, it's you know, you're an artist,
you whoever people think you are about the end of
the day, You're a human being. You know, you have emotions.
You want to communicate them emotions, you know, and trying
(02:35):
to find the best way to communicate, you know, how
you just feeling, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
How have you been coping with the aftermath of everything?
Just just just emotionally, just you as a human.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I've been just in a room for a while, you know,
a lot of thoughts and luckily, you know, you have
people around that you kind of outsideas but it's just
been you know, I've been doing this for such a
long time, and you know, you nothing like this ever happened,
you know, so it just kind of like you just
kind of figuring out and at the end of the day,
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like these fans of your family, so you just feel
like you lost lost something. You just like you go
you do these shows honestly, the you know, for people
to have the best experience, you know, and just to
think that something like this happening. You just try to
figure out, you know, you know, just wrap everything around.
And so even just for the first couple a couple
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of weeks, you know, it was just be sitting down,
but I have to really channel these emotions to just remember, like,
you know, if no one's going to be a voice
for these people, I got to like kind of step
up and kind of like be a voice to just
figure out that, you know, just just having in the
future the shows period, you know what I'm saying, or
figure out the bottom solution of what's going on and
just try to ensure's people, you know, safety and what
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they're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
You know, you said you was in the room, but
then people saw you at the golf course. Yeah, Michael
and Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It was just Thanksgiving, you know, and they were there.
You know, it's just good people to have around in
the community, and you know, that was just more like
a personal time, just trying to get around. I think
like some fan came and asked for a photo.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But yeah, now let's talk about that night. Man.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
When when did when did you find out things got
as bad as they did?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's that's the question everybody wants to know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it wasn't really until like minutes until like the
press conference, until I figured out exactly what happened. You know,
even after the show, you know you're just kind of
hearing hearing things, but you don't know. I didn't know
the exact details until you know, minutes before the press conference.
And even at that moment you kind of just like wait,
(04:45):
you know what, like you know, you just went through
something and it's just like wait, what you know, So.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You didn't know people that actually passed away, wow, until
minutes before you know, it was just yeah, you know
and the thing is like, you know, people pass out,
you know people, you know, things happen at concerts, but
something like that, it's just like, yeah, people said they collectively,
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they collectively hurt folks screaming help every time you stop
the song to get your attention.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Did you did you hear any of those screams?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Man? And you know it's so crazy because I'm not.
I'm that artist too. Like, you know, anytime you can
hear something like that, you want to stop the show.
You want to make sure, you know, fans get the
proper attention they need, you know, And anytime I could
see anything like that, I did, you know, you know,
I stopped like a couple of times to just make
sure everybody was okay, and I just really just go
(05:44):
off the you know, the fans energy as a collective,
you know, call a response. And I just didn't. I
just didn't hear that. You know, I got music in years,
but I just didn't. I just didn't hear that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, break that down a little more, like nobody
knows what it's like being on stage except for other artists,
or speak to us from that perspective of what you
can see in here.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It was like, what fifty thousand people.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean you got like a a Vedo, you know,
feel like fifty thousand people. But it's like, I see,
you got lights, you got sound, you got pyro, you know,
you got your in ears, got your sound, got your mic,
you know, got the music, you got band. It's all
type of you know, stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it's hard to tell excitement from from from dangers,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Of course, everything kind of just sounds the same. And
at the end of the day, you just hear music,
you know, and when you do, you just hear a
monks of things, you know, But you just when you're
in the show, you just into the show. And anytime
you can feel anything closer, you know, you try to
like definitely get to that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So so as an artist, how much can you actually,
I guess help in that position.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You can only help what you can see, you know
what I mean. And then, but you know, whatever you told,
you know what I'm saying, whenever somebody tell you to stop,
you just stop. But just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It wasn't It wasn't that night, huh. You know, raging.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Raging has been a part of the culture, you know,
of your shows. You know you didn't on this night,
but in the past you've been encouraged. I guess the
kind of energy that could have led to something like
this happening. Do you think that contributed to the energy
of this night.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, nah, I think you know, it's something I've been
working on, you know, for a while, of just creating
these experiences and trying to show like the experiences happening
in the safe environment. You know, us as artists, we
trust you know, professionals to make sure that you know,
things happen and people leave, you know, safely, you know
what I'm saying. And this night was just like a
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regular show. You know, it felt like to me as
far as like you know, the energy people, it didn't
feel like it was like you know, people didn't I
don't people didn't show up there to just be harmful.
People just I think showed up to have a good
time and then you know, something unfortunate happened, and I
think we really just got to figure out, you know
what that was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You know, does raging make it harder to identify when
something is going wrong in the crowd?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, I think, you know, raging is just a you know,
they have a textbook you know definition. But you know
in the concerts, we've grown it to be just the
experience of having fun. It's not about just oh harm,
It's not about that. It's about just letting go and
having fun, you know, help others, know, love each other.
(08:27):
It's not about just you know, harm, That's not what
it's all about. The show isn't just rambunctious for an hour.
You know, that's not what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Trust me, I grew up on crunk, so you know
I understand. You know, you just don't. You don't want
it to get two out of heads.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, but you know the code. You know, energy is high,
you know, and you know, and that's why you want
to just make sure that, you know, people are surrounded
to make sure that people are just having the best experience,
you know what I'm saying. You know, I can't say
the energy is high, but you know, you want to
make sure that people are there for people to have
like the best experience in lead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You want people to have a good time. You want
people to get hurt at all.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah yeah, and you know, God forbid passed away, and
you know it's typical for you to stop the show
to make sure fans in the crowd get to help,
you know, they need they even footge that night of
you doing that during the set where you unable to
sense like a difference in urgency this time around.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean yeah, because you know, you stop the show,
but you know, you know, if something's gonna happen, if
it's something detrimental, somebody's gonna let you know, you know,
or you know, the show just stop. And you know
that's just wasn't the case. You know, I just kind
of stopped the show. You know, you just asked, you
have a call and response to the fans. You try to,
you know, generally get a response, but you know, if
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you don't get like a hard stop, you know, it's
just you can't. You just don't you just go off
of what's going on, you know, which makes it so
like so crazy because like, you know, if I feel like,
if you know, anyone would have known, it would have
just been like it wouldn't have gotten far.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You know, what headspace were you in when you posted
that initial that initial response video.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean it was I think it had to been
the night of you know, so I was just in
a headspace of just trying to get a communication out
to my fans, you know, and I had little to
no information, you know, so I was just trying to
figure it out and just communicate to them, you know. Yeah,
I was just reacting, just literally just to get some
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to the fans. You know, it's people that showed up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Do you regret that initial video.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Do you regret reacting in that way or not, like
not having all the information before you said something.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean yeah, because you know, you just don't know
what's going on. But at the end of the day,
I don't, you know, I just wanted to get something out.
You know, how my message came out, I can't you know,
I can only go off what I you know, what
I know, but my true and titters of it, you know,
was really just trying to get a message across, and
you know, I really wanted to just touch the fans,
touch to the families. You know that we here, we
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grieving and we will get through this, you know, through
this process.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So what did you know in that first video?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I mean, at that time, I think we just knew that,
you know, people passed. You know, we didn't know how
you know that it was you know, the news. You know,
I think police came out and said something. You know,
you're just going off with what you're seeing in the
in the in the news. You know, you don't really
know nothing. And then as it did, is go on,
you start collect a little bit more information.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
They said there was a there was like chaos and
trampling being reported since the early afternoon, like like hours
before the show even started. Were you informed of any
of that ahead of time? Well, no, like and you
know the police.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
He came, he came in to my trailer and you know,
he congratulated me on you know, the event and you know,
having something like this in Houston. He let me know
that this it was, uh, you know mishap at the
Merging Grove earlier. You know they shut it down, but
they opened it back up. They seem we got it
under control. You know, he was going to step out
and just let us know if we need anything, you know,
(12:07):
have a good show. That was it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You know a lot of the criticism, you know, from
the tragedy, they say is in the poor planning and
understaffing of the of the event.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
As an artist, do you have any involvement in any
of that?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, I mean we just as an artist, you just
do the creative and for this been my festival. You know,
I got you know, bring artists you know, creatively produce it,
and you know we're just trusting you know, the professionals
to kind of just make sure that you know, people
you know taken care of and you know, leaving safely.
You know, I just can control what I can on
the stage and then you know you have the professionals
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control what they can in the crowd. You know, it's
just hard because as an artist, you know, you want
to have like the best shows and you want to
have the best experiences, and you you know, you link
with professionals to handle that side of it, you know,
and you know you want to know what's going on.
I think that's what we got to figure out, you know,
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and figure out what happened there, how that happened.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know, you spoke on the Houston Police chief. His
name is de Troy Finny. He came to you and
he said he voiced concerns over the crowd energy. So
what did you and your team like do with that
information we got, Well, I think that's what the media.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I think that's what the media said, but I think
I think it read to more so that he wanted
us to. He knew that our crowd was, you know,
the type of crowd that comes it crumbs, a heavy crowd,
so to communicate with him if we were doing anything
outside of the week's our itinerary. You know that week
we were doing like a lot of charity stuff prior
to the festival, so you know the security at most
(13:44):
of the events. But you know, he was just letting
us you know, I guess in that statement, he was
just saying, if we do anything outside of what we
had on our tenerary or our tenerary, let him know.
But you know, we didn't even get to that point.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It was crazy, just you know, being kicking it with
you for a little bit, Like I can see that
you know, this is weighing real. So how much do
you do you feel a sense of responsibility for what
happened at well.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You know, fans come to have a come to the
show and have a good experience, you know, and I
have a responsibility to to figure out what happened here.
I have a responsibility to figure out the solution, you know,
and I gotta and hopefully this takes the first step
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into you know, us as artists, you know, having that
more insight of what's going on, you know what I'm saying,
and you know, the professionals to kind of you know,
surround and figure out more of an intel, whether it's tech,
whether it's you know, more of a response, whether it's
whatever the problem is, you know, to figure out that
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and in the future and moving forward and concert safety
make sure this never happened again.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Let's talk about those professionals, like how much how much
responsibility do you think like Live Nation and score more
the promoters having all of this, I mean, you.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Know, they do their job of you know, setting these
things up. So I mean I think you know, they
they when we dial into what you know specifically happen here,
I feel like, you know, even they can kind of help,
you know, figure out what happened in the sense, you know.
(15:32):
But at the end of the day, I think collectively
everyone needs to just figure out the bottom line solution.
But you know, especially in concert safety, you know, definitely
got to have you know, make sure that you know
these things are you know done right.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You think these festivals are too big, man, fifty dollars
people is a lot of people for anybody to their
festivals that are bigger, you know, way bigger, and you know,
I just think it's.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Not about the maximum of it. I think it's about
the attention to what's going on and how it's going on.
And as long as that's handled, I feel like, you know,
things can be you know, it can go okay, We'll
be okay, you know. But if you look at it
through the history of festivals, you know, this isn't the
first time happening. It's been a long history of this,
you know. So I feel like if you look at
(16:22):
the overall you know, view of that, and you kind
of like dowaling, Okay, what could we do better to
fix this overall for general concert safety, I think we
figure out the problem, you know, and make it better
for people to have better live experiences.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Live Nation reportedly agreed to end the concert early after
the Houston PD and the Fire Department declared it a
mash cas of the event, but the concert continued for
another forty minutes. Was there ever any communication that you
on stage that you should in this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, yeah, I mean it just told me right after
you know, the guests get off stage, you know, we're
going in the show, and that's what we did, you know,
other than that, there's no other communication. So after the
guests what you mean, Yeah, after the guest comes out,
we're gonna We're going to end the show. But it
wasn't a communication on why, you know, it was just
you know, that's what came through my ears.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So they didn't say stop now, gotchay. Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You feel like people are forcing more responsibility on you
because you are the front man because it was Astra World.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm gonna you know,
I'm in the face of the festival. You know, I'm
an artist, you know, so yeah, you know in the
media is you know, they yeah, they want to, you know,
put it on me in But at the end of
the day, it's like, I don't think it's more so
about that. I think it's more so about stepping up
(17:47):
to figure out what the problem is. And I could
take that. I could take you know, stepping up to
figure out what the problem is. I could take stepping
into figuring out the solution that never happened, because that's
what I generally want to do in general, even just
for my communit. You know, the whole idea for why
I brought this festival to the city was to you know,
show that Heaston is something different, you know, and show
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that there's all different types of lives, there's all different
type of energy, and just bring that morale to the city,
and just bring that energy to the city. So I
definitely want to, you know, step in to figure out,
you know, how can we fix this in the future,
what can we do to you know, change these things?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You know, do you feel like you did everything you
possibly could to help in that situation?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yes, yes, anything I physically can't sure, Yes, you know,
and it and it just you know, if knowing you
know what's going on, you know, you would just wish,
you know, you know, if you you know, could have
something better, you know. But standing there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Thousand percent, you know, we know that the families of
the people who passed are definitely watching this right now,
and you know, there's nothing you could say. The hill,
the trauma these families who lost loved ones are you know,
are going through. But being that you know they're watching,
what would you what would you say to them?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Directly?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'll say to them that I'm always here and that
you know I'm you know, I'm I'm in this with
you guys, and I love you. You know, and I
always you know, be there to help you guys, heal
to this. And I understand that they're going through you know,
they're grieving right now and find understanding right now, and
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you know, it's not just like a right now thing.
It's for everything. And these people that came to the show,
they are my family. And I've always had that connection
to the people. I feel like they listen to the
music or came to my shows. And that's why I really,
you know, it's really hard on me even just you know,
(20:05):
to even like, you know, man, even because you know
they end up they they they lost they they lost
their loved ones, you know, so it you know, it's
it's tough, and you know, I just want to always
(20:34):
just be there for them and just always just be
able to just know that I'm gonna fix this for
the future people, you know, and and fix the solution
and fix this problem man, you know, and find a
solution to make sure that this doesn't happen in the future,
and definitely be the number one voice for this, you know,
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because that, you know, I feel like that's like one
of the what we what we got to figure out,
because other than that, it's like you know, the show
goes on tomorrow, you know, something goes How does the
how does this get fixed?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
This could happen again? What's happened before?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, you're you're you're a father, you know, God forbid
when your kids are of age, if they're in a
situation like this, you know what you do, put yourself
in those parents shoes right now? What would what would
you want to see come of this situation? If you
I will want to see people put their hands together.
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I want to see people really figure this out, not
take this lightly, you.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know, and really act on it. And that's you know,
that's one of the main things that's important. I feel
like they got to just act on it. It can't
just be like something that happens and and just roll over.
We gotta be something that's taken serious and address seriously
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and things formed around it. Time and a lot of
a lot of time and a lot of you know,
thinking power spent on this, you know, and really fixing
you know, whatever system needs to be fixed, you.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Know, from the lawsuits to the media coverage. Do do
you feel like you're personally under attack?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, you
see a name in it in it and ship and
it's like, but you know, at the end of the day,
you step in these you know, you step you want
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to do a festival, and you know, we want to
do things, and you want to build up. You know,
it comes with certain things, right, So I think it's
all about how you respond to it, and think it's
all about how you react, right So I could feel
that way, but I think more so about it's more
about how I feel about the response that I that
I that I'm that I care about more so, which
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is you know, actually, you know, trying to step in
and you know, really step up to really fixing what's
happening and and really step up for the safety of
concert goers people in just live spaces period.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I wonder, I wonder, is there a way to even
prepare for this, because nobody, like you said, when you're
doing the planning for a show like this, nobody is
planning for this to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So how do you how do you even prepare for
something like this that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't know? And I feel like when we get
I feel like, when it comes out a little bit more,
how this could have happened. I feel like that's how
we can kind of attack that. But even I was
thinking a way, It's like tech solutions. You know, people
come into these festivals with these bands that only scan
you in right, you have you know, you have all
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types of tech now that can track your heart contract
your you know, oxygen levels contracting to be sick. You
can put things now if you're going to be you know,
get lost. It's all types of ways now. I feel
like that can be the band that only gets you
access to entry, or to the food line or to
food trucks. Can now be soluble to help and save lives,
(24:28):
you know, can now be more of a respond to
people that are now on site and on ground. I
feel like that could be a way, or you know,
even just figuring out what the exact solution of what
the exact problem of it was and dialing more into that.
I think you can kind of I feel like there
is a way. I just think it needs to be
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time spent on figuring that, figuring that out.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Have you been able to have any personal conversations with
any of the families who lost levels.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was able to, but you know, I just want
to dis respect that, you know, the privacy of the
conversation and I'm thankful for them for even allowing me
to have the conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
How did you feel when some of the families rejected
your offer to pay for the funerals?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All things are understandable, and you know, at the time,
they're grieving and they're trying to find understanding, and you know,
they want answers, and it's not about it's not about that.
You know, I'm always going to be here, you know,
to want to help them, you know what I'm saying,
And it's not gonna you know, I got to continue
to show up for that. You know. I just wanted
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to make sure that they knew that I was there
for them, you know what I mean, and continue to
be there for them. I think that's just more so
what it's about for that.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, some people say your your your music played a
role in this, Like I've seen them, you know, cite
lyrics you know that encouraged just kind of behavior. I've
seen him say your music is demonic and this was
a satanic ritual.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You think your music is the blame?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I mean no, I mean one, I'm a man of God,
so that's the first thing first, and you know, so
it's just yeah, that's that and you know, your music
is just like self expression, you know what I'm saying.
And at these shows, I feel like people kind of
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like look at things. And if you've been to a
Travis shows, it's been different layers of shows. You know.
I think people are just you know, misconceptions and taking
them sing and you know, all types of things, you know,
And I've took pride in trying to you know, grow
from where I was when I first recorded music. So
(26:50):
now when I'm going to music, so yeah, I just
think people gotta and that's one thing with me is
just people gotta kind of you know, experience it sometimes.
And I think that's what it was. You know, people
were kind of like even before people were hearing about it,
to come and experience it and taking away their own thinking.
(27:11):
It's always going to be an outside opinion. But you know,
for the ones that you know really believe in me
and you know understand what you know, what I'm about
and what I'm doing. No, that's not that's not what
I'm you know, I'm preaching. I always preach like love,
I always preach understanding, always preach you know, take care
of your loved ones, love each other. You know what
I'm saying, get out your ideas, never let never let
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yourselves be stopped, you know, love one another and step
into that, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I mean I think that's a part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But the music does encourage people to be violent at
these shows.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Mean, that's what the rage is about.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean, most of the music is me sometimes talking
about what I see at the shows, you know what
I mean. If I'm talking about the shows, you know,
and so it's just that's just you know, the energy,
you know what I'm saying. But the energy isn't to
come and start, you know, being ultra violent and just
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being violent and hurting each other. That's not it's not
what it's about.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So it's more so supposed to be entertainment.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Everything is, you know, and it's about what your experience
you know, at the shows and what you see.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
You know, what has changed the content of your music
moving forward? You think.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know what happened, you know what happened here wasn't
off Travis Scott music. It wasn't. That wasn't Oh now
you need to like switch up. No, I mean I've
made all different type of music music in the first place,
you know, I'm never was just like one laying or
one genre in the first place. So I just think
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it's all about experiences and I feel like, you know,
you know, it could be music to come out of it.
Lyricism just emotion. You know, music is emotion, you know,
and music is healing, and you know, you can just
find healing and find emotion, and you know in that,
you know, and just more progressive. You know, everything I'm
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trying to do is just more progressive.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You said you're a man of God. And when I
even said that, you know, they say your music is satanic.
I saw the face that you made. What do you
what do you think that even comes from Travis Scott
is satanic?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Travis Scott?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I just think it's just things people collect. You know.
People look at the Internet and they just collect and
they look at things, and they look at visuals, and
you know, you have all these theorists and people just
thinking they're looking at visuals and don't understand, you know,
just the idea of like what art may be or
what what you're trying to do. You know, they're just
making up your own message, especially when you're not out
there like yelling the message all the time. No, it's
(29:43):
just yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And when they say this is a community event astro world. Yeah,
so they say community event is a Satanic ritual.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How does that?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, it's like it's it's crazy because you know, it's like,
I do this for people to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We have rides, we have games, you know, it's things
for people to get off, creative experiences. It's not you know,
the show is at the end of the day. You know,
it's like you know, and that show is just something
based on on what's you know, just it's things. You know.
It's not like like while we wake up one day
and just trying to this just that's evil. It's not
what we're a part of. Not trying to be a
(30:18):
part of that. We're trying to be a part of joy,
trying to be a part of light, trying to be
a part of full blown happiness, love, you know, understanding
people taking care of each other, you know, community, people
to leave from these experiences and want to go out
and do good. It's literally what we want, you know,
we want to show them these things. You know, we
put everything into the you know, this is you know,
this festival, you know, this is our third year, you know,
(30:40):
so we try to put you know, we every year,
we put everything into the festival so people can enjoy it.
You know, it's not about even just come perform that
not that you know, it's things for them to do
all day, and different artists from the experience.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Too, have the trauma of this tragedy impacting your desire
to perform in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I've always seen performances of art of healing for me.
That's why I've always been so into it. You know,
I don't know if you like, you know, looked at
like some of the growth from where I've tried to
take performance. I've always tried to I feel like it's
the ARTI of feeling. I feel like it's a moment
where people have a mutual understanding, you know, And I
(31:25):
feel like the first things first before anything is that
we address you know, a lot of safety concerns. I
think the first things first is that because not even
just for me, you don't want other you know, artists
to have to go and take a part of that trauma,
take a part of that experience, take a part of that,
(31:45):
you know, that fear. You don't want concert growths to
still be a part of that fear. They want you,
you want them to feel safe, you know what I'm saying.
So I think that's just the first things first. And
I think once we take major steps into moving in
that direction, you know, I feel like, you know, it
can be cool for people to practice that healing again,
you know, and understand that. I don't think people should
(32:07):
run away from it and shy away from it. I think,
you know, it's a former healing, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, no matter what you do at any of
your shows in the future, regardless of how much security,
how much safety you put in place, you cannot control
human behavior. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, you can't control forty fifty thousand people doing whatever
it is they do. Is that scary you?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I mean yeah, But you know you also put trust
in the fans too, to you know, just have a
good time. You know, you just reinstill that, and you know,
you continue to practice, you know, when you're on stage
to just remind them, you know, and even when they're there,
to just constantly have messages to remind them like, yo, look,
you've had to have a good time. We're not here.
If you see somebody, you know, help another, you know,
(32:51):
I think it's just continue to reinstill that message I
think help that mindset if Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
So after a world was one of you know, several
ways you gave back to Houston, you think you've you know,
lost that privilege to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
To be honest, I haven't really like thought about that
because I've just been thinking about just community healing and
you know, the family's healing and you know, all those
things kind of building back up.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
That's that could take forever.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Though, you know, I don't know if you ever truly heal, yeah,
from these type of situations.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
And you know, but you know, through these things, you know,
like I said, music is part of healing. And at
the end of the day, I don't I just don't think,
you know, the Travis Scott show or you know, an
astro or show, you know, wasn't the bottom line factor
of what happened, you know, And I think we just
(33:47):
got to figure out what that was what happened. But
you know, having a Travis Scott show and we've done
shows you know, all over that wasn't the you know,
what happened here. You know, something that happened, you know,
And that's why I want to fix it because it
can happen anywhere, you know what I'm saying. And I
think once we get further along in that, I think,
(34:09):
you know, you know, it would be more a little
bit more receptive.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I feel, just just you as an individual when you
perform again, what precautions will.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You take moving forward?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Just you just based off what you can personally control,
what precautions would you take moving forward?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'll do the same thing I'm you know, been doing,
just double you know, making sure everybody is on posts
and you know, I'll do the you know, double down
on just making sure that everyone is locked in, everyone
is aware, everyone is on response, everybody is on you know,
(34:47):
on it, you know what I'm saying, and look out,
try to you know, if you felt like it wasn't
there more push for it to be more push the
call responsible with the fans, like what you mean, like
you yell okay, you know, like you know, try to
have some sort of color response with the fans while
(35:08):
still being smooth in the performance, because at the end
of the day, it's still performance, are right, you know
what I'm saying. And that's why the whole general, whole
idea about this is you want to make sure that
is all these factors are are done before we even
go into these things, you know, because you want to
just when you go in, you want to have the
mindset that, Okay, people are going to be okay, we
(35:30):
can have a good show. If anything's going down, people
are gonna be right there to be the first one
to get to them, you know, and if it's gonna
be in the communication, it's you know communication. But you know,
I think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
When you did stop the show, how did you see
that one person?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean he was right there. You know, you had
like you have people like just spread it out, you know,
And so I'm looking and I'm like, oh, so I
just called down and you know, the medics just came in, responded,
got them out. You know, that's that's the only one
you saw that, Yeah, that's only one I saw. And
then you know when I've seen the lights in the back,
(36:08):
you know, I just double check make sure everyone's okay.
You know, I got a response to everyone's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
How normal is that to see ambulances and everything else
at these specials?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Well, it was it was lights. So you know, an
ambulance don't really have like red and blue lights. You know, Oh,
if you thought, I don't you don't know, you just
you just looking at his lights. That's why I asks,
I'm just like, yo is an ambulance, Like what's going on?
You know, know if it's like somebody got to lights up
there doing you know, doing some turn you don't know,
(36:39):
you know, but you know I didn't get a response,
so you know, you know, you got a response for
the fans. You know that I actually wone to put
her hand up, and then you know, didn't get a
response from anything else, so just carried on.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Did they make you feel judged when you see videos,
you know, circulating the other artists stopping their shows, like
the check on fans. Since since as the world, it's
almost like the insinuation from other artists is that like
you didn't do enough, So we don't want to be
like travel.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'll take it as you know, they're just taking extra precautions,
you know, because it might not have been something that
you know was running through their mind at time before,
and they're just taking extra precautions to you know, make
sure they don't run through the same same problems. And
(37:29):
I can commend them for that. You know, I've always
done the same thing. You know in my prior shows
and at this show, so you know, I feel them,
you know, I just think it's been a little bit
more people are more capturing now, like because of what's
going on. I think that's just how the media works.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Do you feel like your team right now is allowing
you to do everything that you possibly could do and
as far as what just as far as like anything
REGARDSS to this situation, you know, speaking out well, reaching
out to families whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, yeah, you know, you know, it's a lot of
legal into it. But at the end of the day,
I'm you know, I'm human, So I want to do
so much to try to like help and heal. And
you know, you want to give time for people to heal.
You want to give time, but you know, I want
to be able to like go and start taking these
steps too, you know, addressing these you know, these problems
(38:25):
and you know, getting to the solutions, you know, addressing
the solutions and addressing ways to fix these things from
happening in the future. Like and I think that's the
main thing. And I've always took a I've always sicked
pride in trying to lead things and go and attack things,
(38:45):
and you know, be the first to jump out and
go do it, you know. So I'm I'm I'm more
than you know, happy enough to go.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But but then there's the person Travis Scott. But then
there's the business of Travis Scott. I'm sure there's a
lot of people around and you're trying to protect the business. Yeah,
so for you personally, like you know, how much do
you want to protect the business as well?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I mean at the end of the day, like
people haven't understand these businesses aren't built because you know,
you Charlotte Mane and I'm Travis. So it's like I've
always cared about, you know, the fans. I don't give it.
You know, it's about them, you know. So it's like
(39:36):
obviously it's like business in this, but I've always been
the one that's like pushed back on vocally, like, yo,
you know, we gotta you know, this is about you know,
the fans, and you know the team has always felt
the same way, and so any time I've ever done
anything corporately, that's just how I've always been. It's just like, yo,
we want to go do things to make sure that
the people that are experiencing this product is having the
(39:58):
best experience. It's not a about you know, what we
could do, like the numbers, like you know, that's not
what we chase here. We chase for people to have
the best experience. You know, we want people to have
enjoyed ourselves. We want people to walk away with like
just ideas like well, it's is like.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know, they said that there's no prominent friends our
enemies in business. So you know, if anybody decides to
back away from Travis Scott on a corporate level, do
you care.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I've never jumped into things with people that didn't
know me, so everyone else surrounded myself with you know,
It's always been you know, a backbone and you know,
supportive to anything I you know, I want to do
to help fix anything that could be a good cause,
(40:54):
you know. So you know I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know, if the families are the victims, never forgive you,
Will you ever be able to forgive yourself?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Can you live with that?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Mhm? Nah? It's tough, you know, it's real tough because
I want them to really know that my intentions, you know,
it wasn't you know, it wasn't the harm and their
family at all. It's for them to come to have
a good experience, you know. And yeah, like you know,
(41:33):
I've always feel like I have a connection with my fans,
you know, through the music. I feel like when they
come to see me, it's not just like oh they're coming,
they're coming to It's like a connection and you know,
sometimes not knowing, you know, people are not understanding like
artists and where we come from. That it could be
a disconnect and you know, I would love to you know,
(41:54):
instead of understanding and you know, for them to truly
know where my heart's from. You know, it didn't come
for them for me to horror and it wasn't about
a show to keep you know at all. You know,
it's you know, it's about for them to have you know,
one of the you know, a very good time, and
it's just charged that it didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You know. Do you feel like you're being villainized?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I mean I feel like it comes with being in
a seat, you know, and I feel like they pointing
the finger at me because it's my festival or they
want to you know, it's I am who I am,
you know, and it maybe not a lot of like
understanding about like what's going on. But you know, like
(42:41):
I said before, I feel like I can kind of
like take that in a sense because my whole career,
I feel like people have been trying to do that
and I feel like I've shown through actions that that's
not my character, that's not you know, that's not who
I am. I'm shining through positive you know, and I
feel like, you know, with understanding and with everything, I
(43:02):
feel like people understand that what my heart wasn't there
to be the villain, you know, it was there to
be like a hometown hero.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
The day before Astro World, there's footage of you discussing
the importance of giving back to your community and how
much it means to you to be able to do that.
Do you think people have forgotten, you know, your heart
and all this and what Astra World was truly about.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
You know, I think people are, you know, grieving, and
it can get it can get you know, misplaced with
you know, who cares about that what's going on right now.
But you know, like I said, I just want to
continue to, you know, stay on those stepping blocks and
(43:49):
continue to doing the charity I've been doing it, and continue
to doing the community work. I've been doing for Houston.
You know, I was doing those things before and not
looking for people to pat me on the back for them.
You know, I was just on them, just simply just
to make a change. And so you wouldn't be surprised
if people don't, you know, pay attention to some of
(44:09):
those things throughout whenever you are doing them, but that's
not what you're doing for really, So I feel like
at the end of the day, you continue to do
those things regardless.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know, you think you'll ever be able to recover
from this emotionally.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know, my grandmother, my dad, my mom, They've always
told me to, you know, put your faith in God
and high behind his wing. And at the end of
the day, I think you gotta. I've always told myself,
you know, things are not gonna get hard. You know,
things can be feeling amazing sometimes and things can get
(44:49):
real hard, you know. And I think how you respond
to things and where you channel your emotions is very important,
you know, especially at a time like this, and and
I gave you know it was it was hard for
me to really because it was the first it was
for time anything like this, I've even seen anything like
(45:09):
this hurting me and happening you know, to this whole community.
You know, it just it just you know, you kind
of just you want to be able to channel that
emotion to just respond and you got to be strong man.
Stepping in and doing the things for the community doesn't
come with being you know two weak. You got to
(45:31):
be able to you know, step through these things and
show people that you really, you really care. You know.
This wasn't just to get to the point to do this,
but it was really to create active change, you know.
And I think you know these are you know, it's
these moments right now where you got to really show,
you know, where your heart is in this thing, you know,
(45:53):
and I think you know that's what I've always you
know one wanted to do and you know, don't want
to just continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I'm glad you're missing your face because that was one
of my one of my last questions, like how important
is family been in this situation?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You know, it's been important, you know, you know, you know,
all my family was there too, you know, so it's
been important. But to be able to have them and
bounce back, you know, ideas and you know them grieve
with you know for those families as well. Pray for
(46:30):
those families as well, continue to you know them also
being to help in hand as well, you know, which
gives me more hands to help. I feel like which
is more important? And you know, you know, them always
having my back to support the idea want to create
(46:50):
this change. I think, you know, at least gives me
more confidence that you know, I'm not in this salone,
you know what I'm saying to help fix this, you know,
for this, for the families, for the community.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
As a superstar.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
It's weird, right because these same outlets that report on
this tragedy with something like the w couple leaks and
now they want to get back to your relationship and
whether you and you know.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Coylie or together or not, is that not strange to you?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I mean, yeah, so I don't really like do only
do magazines? I like, you know, but you know, magazine's
gonna try to like figure out what the fuck they
want to figure out, you know. I just I've never
(47:44):
did anything for a relationship for you know, anybody to
try to figure out put a label on what they
want to put it on. You know, you know what
our relationship is, and you know it's so I just
stand strong on it.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
So I guess my final question, man, who does who
does Travis Gott ultimately, I guess think is responsible for
this tragedy.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know, it's crazy because something tragic happened here. And
what's what I've just been trying to, you know, get
to the bottom of, is just what happened here, how
it happened here? And you know, I think the families
are old, you know that I feel like, you know,
(48:30):
the community is old that I feel like we're old
at to just know what happened here. And you know,
I don't want to I don't want to just speak
too soon. I just want to figure out, you know,
what happened. You know. But you know, we, like I said,
you know, as an artist, we just leave this up,
(48:51):
you know too, you know, to professionals to make sure
that we you know that fans are having a good time,
you know, people or protected and can you know, leave
and have the best experience ever.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know they're going to pick this interview apart.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
So is there anything you want to say, you know,
to your fans, to the family of people who lost
loved ones, you know, before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
I mean, I just want to I want everyone to
just continue praying for the fans. I want to continue.
I want people to continue praying for the ones the
fans that was lost, you know. I want people to
continue praying for the families. I want people continue just
reaching out for healing. I want people to continue to
just be there for each other and remember that you
(49:39):
know that love is just you know everything, and with that,
you know, we can try to cure everything, you know,
and take steps into you know, healing. And I think
the more we try to, you know, continue to let
people grieve and continue to beat there for people and
(50:01):
you know, checking more people and you know, checking on
your loved ones and just you know that, you know,
I think that's just like one of the most important things,
you know, staying strong through this while we you know,
figure out what's going on, you know, and bring understanding
to these families and to the community.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
That's what we're gonna We're gonna send healing energy to
everybody involved, the families, you know, those who were lost, yourself,
because nobody wants tragedies like this, not at all, so
preventing them moving forward is the only thing we can do.
Appreciate you, brother man, Yes, sir, absolutely
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