Out Of Context: Kevin Hart and Charlamagne Tha God

In This Episode of "Out of Context" Kevin Hart sits down for an interview with Charlamagne Tha God.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We gotta do a countdown check the mic.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Everything good, Kevin Set one, Sex, five, ten nine.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Kevin Hart, You listen. Before I do these out of
context conversations, I like to set my intention. So my
intention for this combo is to properly shine the light
on the historic career of Kevin Hart, the entertainer, the mogul.
I want to put who you are and what you
have done in its proper context for people.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay. Now, you once said in an interview, you said
life is a book, and you determine how it ends.
What would you title this chapter of your life.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Understanding? I would say understanding forty five years old, and
I understand the purpose, I understand the value, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
The real reward.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
So I think, yeah, this is about this is about clarity.
This is about having a bigger and better vision based
off of my now understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Twenty years ago, when you was twenty five, how would
you define success?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
What did it look like to you success at twenty five?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, just when you were twenty five, Yeah, what did
success look like to you?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Success at twenty five was.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
No free weekends because you were booked, whether it was
comedy clubs or colleges, the stand up calendar was full.
The only thought was comedy, right, and I think you
know the opportunities for acting that came and sprinkled in
here and there. It was cool moments, but the stand

(01:57):
up and being a headliner in state end up, nothing
was bigger and better than that. So how do I
get a full calendar?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
How has achieving the success you've achieved reshaped your definition
of what you thought success was twenty years ago?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I mean it's completely different. You know the success success
is like.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's layered because you think it's financial, and then after
that you think it's material once you get financial, and
then it makes a weird shift where it turns into
like happy, right, And what level of success do you
have to reach for you to understand that happy is

(02:41):
always it should always be the first thing. And how
do you get that? How do you get to that?
The success is like it's a journey. It's a journey
that you embark on and go through all this stuff
to get there and go, I was I was this then?

(03:02):
Like I was I was happy and I was vibrant
and that was fun. And as you obtain more your workload,
your stress, you want your need, Like everything starts to
come into play a little differently, So it boils down
to how do you get to the role of happy
and understanding the value of a circle, your friends, your family,

(03:23):
et cetera. Like that's that's where your thought process starts
to drive more towards as you get older. So the
biggest thing is happiness. Man, at the end of the day, like, are.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
You doing what you love?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Do you do you absolutely find joy and that thing
that you're dedicating yourself to on a day to day basis,
And does it make you better? Does it bring the
best out of you? Does it bring the worst out
of you? Like you gotta you gotta start to do that.
So my joy now comes in helping and creating opportunities

(03:58):
to see other people get to the place or.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
To help position of the people.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Correctly to do the thing that they want to do,
or to find the happiness and a thing that they
are thriving towards.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's my new that's my new happy.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Have you have you always been happy through through every
stage of this business and this career of yours? Have
you always been happy because you always present very happy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm not a I'm not an unhappy person, right like,
I'm I'm a good person, good energy behind me, But
my patience isn't you know, my patient. My patience isn't
as long as it should be. My patience is extremely thin,
because you know, the the more work you take on,

(04:45):
the more you're dealing with it on day to day.
So I think I've definitely been spread thin. And in
being spread thin, you because of your your your training,
you got one track that you're on in the the
only thing is this everything else in the way that
kind of has to be pushed to the side. So

(05:07):
my happiness at one point was coming on just trying
to achieve the goals. And I think during that time
I probably overlooked a lot of things that were real
definitions of true joy and true happiness. But because I
had the tunnel vision, I was focused on this thing.
So I don't think I don't think I've never not
been happy. I think that i've I think I've definitely

(05:29):
been absent minded at times.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I don't think people realize that you always haven't had success,
right like when you think about twenty years ago, you
got a shot in the industry, you had to sitcom
on ABC, the Big House, major motion picture Soul Plane,
And it was once said that you already had those
deals when you came to LA, and no one had
ever heard of a comedian who came to LA and
his first year in LA had all of that. People

(05:53):
never heard of that before you are since you. So
my question is, how did you achieve all of that? keV?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean, that's nuts. It's just it's insane to assume
that somebody came and was given anything, like I think
for those people to really follow my career and then no,
like I don't. I don't think there's bigger definitions of
hardship and work and success and takeaway. Right, So, early

(06:28):
stages of my career, doing the comedy festival, just for
last comedy festival, Oh my god, went there, killed it.
Holy shit, this is this is it. This is where
everything's going to come. Getting a deal at that point
in time was a big deal. I think there was
like two hundred thousand dollars. I got a dealtval Well.

(06:50):
I got a deal coming out of the festival because
basically I met with studios, Networks, et cetera, and they
said we're gonna do a development deal with you.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
People forgot about those.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Development deals don't exist. No more talent development deals. This
is when comedians and the prime of their career got
opportunities coming out of these comedy festivals. And the Just
for Last Festival was like the biggest, the new faces.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's like a showcase.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, so agents, studios, et cetera were all there.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I get this deal.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I believe it might have been with NBC, NBC or
ABC at the time, and you know, this is it.
I got the money, life change. I can do some
stuff for my family. Whatever money goes, nothing comes out
of the deal. Nothing. Well that was short lived. Later
I get the opportunity to develop a series, create a series.

(07:41):
This is the Big House. And the opportunity came for
me learning how people were developing, writing and pitching. So
I was like, I can go back and the same
people I met with with my deal, I can start
pitching too. I want to pitch shows or pitch ideas
and doing that, we pitched a Big House. Big House
gets picked up. Finally I got a sitcom. This is

(08:04):
gonna be great. We shoot, we shoot the Big House,
We shoot the pilot. Pilot gets picked up. Time for
me to go to New York do the upfronts announce it.
Before I take the stage to announce my show is
going to be on ABC and this is the biggest
thing ever. They pulled me back and they said they're

(08:27):
deciding not to pick up your show. Wow, get right there.
Uh are you serious? I'm here like I flew the
cast in we all this is exciting time. Yeah, no,
we're not. They're not gonna do it. Can't stand over
there that fast. It's over.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I gotta go home. I'm on a plane.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
No show. I get a call probably six months later,
we're gonna pick it up mid season. Oh my god,
the joy. Finally it came around. They air one episode,
maybe maybe two episodes, not even that many, maybe three,
I don't know, maybe two or three. Pulled it, canceled it.
No sitcom. Okay shit, I'm back back on the grid,

(09:04):
back on the grind.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm in the world of auditioning.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Nothing's coming out of ith. Soul Playing came. Holy shit,
got another opportunity, booked the audition. Tons of people audition
with Soul Plan. Jessice Terrero was like, that's my guy.
I want him.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Soul Plane his bootleg, biggest boot leg ever.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
My success came from the bootleg and give soul playing
because people started to remember me and my success came
from Paper Soldiers and that underground movie and in the
bootleg circuit up so the memorable, the memorable side of understanding.
Oh that's the guy from Oh shit, that's the comedian from.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I just started doing comedy clubs.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So I said, all right, fuck the acting stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I'm just gonna go focus on the comedy.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So I went, I just did a comedy grind like
nobody's business.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was a little Wayne Mixtape level comedy ground.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I went. I went. I remember so when I tell you,
I was so adamant about the comedy clubs. Stand up
any stage, any room, New York. Get the people, get
the fans, Go get the emails, go back, tell them
I'm coming back to the city again.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
City Chicago's Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Since then, you name it. I did that ship for
about I want to say I probably put in like
five years of non stop comedy club work, and over
that five years gathered the audience, gathered the nice amount
of emails.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
This is when.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Speak speed by that because you were in these comedy clubs. Yeah,
I remember this. You were you were getting everybody's.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Email email and you had a newsletter that you yes, yeah,
I would, I would. I literally got Dang Cook is
one of the first people to like really embrace his
fans in the development of the relationship with the fans, right.
Dang Cook was one of the early early people that
I heard talk about this. And at this time, Dang

(11:14):
Cook was like, boom, I mean HEU. So I'm like,
I gotta get emails and I got to talk to
the people. So I would do these newsletters for the
cities and I would, I would send them. I was
sent them out as a blast Like MySpace had a
feature at the time where you could basically like geotag

(11:34):
I'm coming to Cincinnati, and on your midspace you can
look for the people in Cincinnati. And I would personally
send out messages I'm coming to the Cincinnati I'm performing,
Come see me perform. I mean you're copying, pasting the
same messages over and over again. Some people came, some
people didn't. But at the end of the shows, I
would know who came, and I would know the result

(11:57):
of me individually telling people to come out because I
would be able to match the emails addresses help with
things that I saw on the MySpace paids, So I
was like, between these things, if I stay true to it,
it'll work. So me and my guys, the Plastic Cupboys,
we would go to the city land, go to a mall,
pass out flyers, tell people about the show, get emails.

(12:20):
Then we would go to the show perform as people
were walking out getting emails. I used to have cards
and I would have cards on the table. People would
fill out the cards. I would take them. So then
at the end of the weekend, everybody that came, hey guys,
when I come back, I'm gonna make sure you all
know thanks for coming out. I built the rapport for

(12:41):
five years maybe more. I was very consistent with that
raport colleges. I was performing at showcases for colleges and
gathering that personnel. I didn't give a fuck where people were.
If it was people there, I was going to go
and I was going to personally make sure you knew
who I was and that I knew who you were.
So when I did Shacks All Star Comedy Jam that

(13:08):
that dropped. After I did Grown Little Man and I
was about to do seriously funny, I forgot the order
of it. But I was doing these comedy specials, and
it was for Comedy Central. It's gonna be my specials,
all right. It was like a little bit of knowledge,
a little bit of a little bit of steam off
of them.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
The comedy club is getting a little full.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
After the Shacks All Star Comedy Jam, I don't know
what happened, but that shit, that shit hit harder than anything.
And then I did Seriously Funny, so people were like,
whoa Shacks Star Star Comedy Jam? And then I did
different material, seriously funny, Okay, after seriously funny. Well that's
when it was it was okay, shit, this guy's like

(13:53):
the real deal. So it went from comedy clubs to
theaters real fast. I mean, right now, you're witnessing it
with Matt Rife, Like I remember that, like Matt Rife.
It's a weird thing that happened where Matt was in
comedy clubs and he was doing his like little things,
and the TikTok thing hit for him, and all of

(14:15):
a sudden, Matt Rife is doing shows. It arenas Matt
Rife sold out and he's It happened so fucking fast.
So when that happened, I said, well, I don't want
to run away from the thing that I was doing.
I got to tell people, I am now going to

(14:35):
the theaters, right, the theaters. I'm gonna be at the theater,
not the comedy club. Well, theater's selling out so fucking fast.
So now I don't have to do the email ship
no more.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I don't have to turn the social media too.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
This when social media just started, right, this is when
all of the ship look out of the time was
getting past. Oh man, the tickets are selling, so we're good.
I don't I don't have to do this like I
once did. Twitter.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Twitter is now so now Twitter I learned.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
What that is, and I'm like, oh wait, I can
talk directly to my like to the people that follow me.
Go back to the world of emails. I'm on Twitter.
Here's my act name. Make sure y'all follow me.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I remember all of it.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
So all the people that I gathered from all of
these cities. Name of city during that time, Detroit name
A fuck, I don't give it. Every city. I don't
care if it's an A market, B market, C market.
I went everywhere. Once I said follow me on Twitter,
all right, well I'm out the gate. I had like

(15:41):
three hundred some thousand followers.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I'm like, you were the first person we knew what
a million followers. I was like, oh shit, you got
a million followers.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I said, I gotta talk to them. So now the
emails that I was sending that people were on privy
to are now a person of person conversations. Now the
shows are getting bigger, the theaters are getting bigger. We're
adding shows. We're going from two thousand seaters to five
thousand seaters. And just like that, as a headliner, I changed.

(16:14):
I changed the way I looked at how I developed comedy.
I said, I need to have a system in place
that allows me to stay on the road and come
off the road. I shot two specials as The Grown
Little Man that is seriously funny. The Shocks All Star
thing was like a favor. I was like, Shacks said, keV,
you want to do this thing. Jeff Clanning Kingo's my partner, especially,

(16:34):
was a favor. All these things hit. I was like,
all right, well, I can't fuck this up. So now
I said, I'm going to go and I'll do a tour.
My tour should always last a year and a half
and I'll end my tour with the filming of a
comedy special and then I'll develop another set through the
course of a year and a half to maybe maybe

(16:58):
close to two. So I had an own season offseason,
but it always gave a two year gap in between
stand up, so I never oversaturated myself in the market.
So toil this date, there's always a two year window
in between my specials. But during that off year, I'm
developing the new material. So when I come back and
announce a tour, while I'm coming back with new material
in the new road, and by the time I filmed

(17:19):
the next special, It'll be two years past before the
last one step repeats that repeat. So I built the
process based off of hard work, understanding, and commitment, and
that commitment came from the failed opportunities in Hollywood. They
threw my TV show back at me, the movies that

(17:39):
I had the opportunities to start and did not work
in a successful template of working in the business. Paper
Soldiers wasn't a box office success, it wasn't a theater released,
it was a straight to DVD. Soul Plain was supposed
to be a box office success, got bootleg basically another
straight to DVD if you ask me so, because I

(18:00):
mean the rest part from you talking about we got two,
you got something like a business, and you got thirty five. Right,
So these are all of mine, These are my big opportunities.
At that time, none of this shit was huge successful.
This was all These are all culture culture like cultural

(18:21):
fucking pieces of IP that we grabbed on two and
supported and loved. So because of that, the fan base
got better with stand up. But I went back to
stand up. I was like, I'm out this la shit.
I'm sitting here waiting by the phone. I'm out. I

(18:42):
went back and hustled stand up and was just in
the grind of stand up specials until.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Will Packer came to me.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
This was after laughing my pants is I want to say,
I don't know, maybe my third or fourth special And
Will came over and think, like a man, we're talking
in two thousand and nine, I don't know, maybe third
or fourth.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
The reason I'm glad you're having this conversation when you
think about all of these opportunities you had, I see
you doing that for other black creatives. Now, so when
Rush Paul had the opportunity he puts you in something
names had the opportunity he put you in something. Will Packer,
he puts you something, Shack, he put you in something.
You're doing the same exact thing for people. Now.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know. The realization though, man, is like the people
are putting you in something because they have something to
put you in. Right right, We're in a time now
where it changes because the expectation of what you're supposed
to do doesn't match the energy of what you're actually doing.

(19:40):
And I think you know that line has blurred a
little bit. Like Shack called me, Jeff called me. I'm like, yeah,
of course, it just so happened that that was the thing.
But they were doing a thing at the same time.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
It matched up.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm trying to create more things that can hopefully be
the thing.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
For someone else. Now, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I don't have it. I don't have a strong grasp
on the business to go. This is gonna launch you.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
You can be a star. Get ready, here it come.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I just know, like, hey, man, I got some dope.
IP I want to create some movies or mine. Some aren't,
but hey, here's opportunities. Here's a blender of opportunities that
I can put people in and continue it and grow
within it. I mean, when you look at just what
we're doing at Heartbeat in the scripted and unscripted space.
It's all based off of the new version of our

(20:39):
generation acting, comedians, writers, directors, etc. I'm saying, if I
can do three to four projects a year and we
got new faces in them, I'm doing my part. If
I can say, hey, man, we're gonna shoot forty comedy
specials and we're gonna have those comedy specials on our
fast channel and on this distribution platform, I'm not only

(21:01):
giving them a stage, but I'm also giving them visibility.
I'm doing my part, right Like, at this point, what
is my part?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Where is my.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Value best served? And I feel like it's best served
in creating the opportunities for others. And you know, if
somebody pops off of something that I put to the table, man,
I think that's the dopest story ever. To just be
a part of the early stages of the next person's
the next person's journey, I would be fucking beyond blessed.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
How does it feel knowing that you have achieved so
much success that people think you're an industry plan.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, it's the biggest compliment ever, right you when
you hear things like that. You just you got to
give a nod to common sense versus lack thereof. You know,
I had a conversation with my daughter one day and

(21:56):
she was asking a question and like debating off of
the hype emthetical of if something was real versus not,
And I said, you know, everything is researchable if you
really want to know it, if people really care, you
really want to know things, it's very easy to go
do some research. And actually beyond easy, it's like it's

(22:18):
dumb proof today, like Google has. It's so dumb proof
that you can actually type in the dumbest version of
a question and Google will correct your question and give
you the right side of your question with the options
for you to go find the thing that you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So if you really give a shit, you can go
and see.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, the industry plant conversation is what is it?
What does that mean? Like when you when you really
break that down, it means.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It means that's why I want you to tell you
a story, And I'm glad it's the story, Like you said,
the stories out there people want to know. It means
that somebody puts you in this position. Yeah, and press
the button yeah, and that's the god.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
So when I say, what does that mean? Like, what
are we talking about? So if that's the case of success,
is that easy? How many different versions of that would
you see to day? And by the way, wouldn't those
be the stories that were highlighting because they're all false?

(23:24):
Like if that's the case, I mean, some things get
so ridiculous that catch on.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's astronomically insane to process. No, I could give two
ships like I mean, that's why you don't hear me
address shit or fire bag of shit. It's like you
got time to address and talk and come back at
people when you have time. I don't. I don't have
the time like I and not because yeah, not because

(23:56):
I'm an asshole, but I'm actually I don't. I don't
have the time. I don't have the time to give
a rebubble that or the energy to give that any
type of outside thought. And like I said, if it's
if it's something that people are really curious about or
people really wanted to know, it's great researching.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I got a list of things that are taking up
your time. Correct me if any of these things have changed.
One people think you're in the Illuminati, because you're not
just a comedian, you're a businessman. Yeah, let's just listen
to these things. Heartbeat Productions, Lol Network, We're serious, Grand
Carmino Tequila, SPH Productions, which is our audience company, Fabletics
Active Where, Heavenly Heart, which is a health and wellness

(24:38):
brand named after your daughter, Harthouse, your plant based food chain.
You partnered with brands like Chase Bank, Nike. I was
told you invested in draft Kings and you're invested in
Hydro which is a rowing machine company. There are plenty
of comedians who are just comedians. You are a businessman
who are what contributed to that business actimen.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Early stages of growth Jeff Clan again, Jeff Clan again.
I want to say, is an asset that sparked my
entrepreneur side of thinking and just from him saying or suggesting,
hey man, instead of us going this way, why don't
we do this ourselves? So taking the money from tour
and using that money to fund I stand up Special

(25:21):
and then taking my stand up Special and distributing it
through a AMC. And when we did that the big win.
It just made me understand investment and return right or
all out the return on your investment. We took seven
hundred and fifty grand shot our comedy special, released it theatrically.

(25:44):
It did like nine million theatrically. Theaters take their cut.
After the theaters take their cut, we get back. I pie.
I walked away with like close to two and a
half three million dollars. Right, Oh shit, seven point fifty
turned into three.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
That's investing. So like, how does that work?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
How do you grow businesses in a manner where you
can invest and then ultimately see a return. Well, you
got to have businesses, You have to have ideas. More importantly,
you got to own shit. I started to understand the
importance of owning shit. I realized that how many people
that do the same thing that I do that don't
own shit. There's no shot to any of them. But

(26:31):
once we're done, right, once we once we say good night,
and we're done doing the job that we've chosen to
do forever, you got to look back. And when you
look back, what do you see? Early on, I saw
that studios had these amazing catalogs. These catalogs are so dope,

(26:53):
they're great, And the value of these catalogs for studios
is significant because it's the talent attached to them. Allow
some studios to leverage that talent that IP to go
out get more money so that they can go out
shoot develop more IP of the same ultimately to build
that catalog so that that catalog is a definition of

(27:14):
representation of their value. Their value continues to grow and
jump based off of star power and work for hires
that are fined with receiving the dollar at the early
stage but not being a part of it at the back.
All right, So how do I fix that or be
different in that regard? Well, I'm gonna own the one

(27:36):
thing that I can at the early stage that I control.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I own.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I own my live entertainment business for myself. If I
decide to do comedy, I own this entity of comedy.
That entity shoots a comedy special, I'm gonna own it,
and then I'm gonna license it, step repeat, Okay, Well
I can do this with other IP. I got to
create the companies Heartbeat, laugh out Loud, Okay, the studios

(28:05):
are partners, but make sure that we own a piece
of the company with the studio.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, we can't do that.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Why not have we ever asked? Have we ever asked
for an unconventional deal. If we do ask for that
unconventional deal, let's see what the return is. Let's see
if they jump up and say okay, because you're a
good partner. We actually had some good partnerships in the
early stages that weren't afraid to take those jumps. Lionsgate
was a great partner with laugh out Loud. We did

(28:33):
great business. Lionsgate then allowed me to buy lef out
Loud back and full when they didn't want it, I
took laugh out Loud merged it with Heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
All right, I got one big entity. Now wow, So
now let me.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Start to push things under the machine. I want to
push and shovel anything I do under the machine. It
all has to come through Heartbeat, and through that, Let's
see how much I can own versus what I can so. Now,
any deal, any unconventional deal, it has to come through
my pipeline and the relationships of others. Now, respect the pipeline.
So let me hire the people. Let me get the

(29:07):
right team, right execs, right presidents, right coos, CFOs, heads
of SVP's EPs. Well, now I got the money to
pay them, because I'm taking the money from all his
lives entertainment, and I'm just going to bring it over here.
So until I get a return, I'm a funding machine,
because that's an investment. I'm investing in this personnel, I'm

(29:28):
investing in these works for hire. I'm investing in the
idea of this company.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
When you were in these comedy clubs, did you ever
think stand up comedy would lead you to these opportunities
that have created all these other companies and got you
at a network of four hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
No, but that's the fucked up part, right like you,
stand up comedy is the gateway into everything, and entertainment,
entertainment in general, is the gateway into everything. And you
don't have to do it right. You don't have to
knock it out the park and fucking walk away with

(30:05):
the biggest bang, with the biggest win. The closer you
get is best and better for the people that are
gonna come and do the same things behind you. So
there were a lot of peoples that didn't necessarily do
it right, but they cracked the door enough for me
to go through that door and get a little further
than what they did. Understand that the likeness that I

(30:27):
had can bring the value of private equity partners or
investors or companies or bandwidth. I bring value to different operations,
so in return, you're giving me something for my value.
So stand up comedy was the asset and still is
the asset that acts as the gold nugget to fucking

(30:47):
greatness because the meetings that you're able to obtain, the
rooms that you're now able to be in, is all
based off of Man, that got so funny and so cool.
So don't downplay the fun an early thing. The early
thing is the most valuable thing. Oh man, I want
you to go see that guy. He was funny and shit.
Then after the show it was nice. You gotta meet Doug.

(31:12):
Doug works over at Amazon. He does X, Y and Z.
I don't know if there's a partnership here, man, but
you should meet him. A lot of people don't have time.
I don't mean no fucking weird weird ass dude named Doug.
I'm good. Well why not? Doug just so happens to
be in front of content and creative. So meeting Doug,
you done put yourself in a situation to get some

(31:32):
knowledge and information, and you tell Doug I'm gonna come back,
we should meet again, speak.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
To that more. Does your humility play a role in
how far you've been able to go?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Absolutely? I did not. I did not put myself on
a on this crazy pedestal of expectation of how you
should perceive me. Right, I think really having an even
kill and understanding of like level set at all times.

(32:03):
Like businesses, business partnerships are partnerships, opportunities opportunity And if
you shake your hand, it's two sides to a handshake.
So if you shake my hand and I'm shakier's back,
that means that we should both get something from whatever
we're deciding to do together. It shouldn't just be about me,
so it shouldn't just be about you. And I think
to date, my relationships with my studio partners, the representations

(32:25):
of that, you know, I've never tried to kill them.
I've never came in and front loaded any of my deals.
And this is my partner's are universal to Netflix, Apple, Amazon,
I mean I can go warners, I can go down
the list of them all.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
What do you need for this.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
To be a win for you? All right? So I'm
gonna do this on my side. I'll take this and
I'll play with you on the back half. So in success,
we all have success. And as a partner throughout the years, well,
my work has been consistent because they value me as
a guy that's coming to the table at all times
with the best interests of this and myself. I've never

(33:02):
been to give me all mine now and y'all figure
it out. If you lose, I should lose too. And
that's that's that's a real like, that's a real thought
that I have in any in any aspect right. And
the best partnerships that I have, like in Fabletics, Fathletics,
and I decided to do business because I was with

(33:24):
Nike and I get with great partners. We developed the
sneakers together, we were doing great activations. I mean some
of the best relationships came out of Nike of just
personnel and understanding that business. I had an opportunity of
Fathletics to help grow a brand and be responsible for
men's They said, Kevin, we don't want you to come

(33:45):
in and just like do it and just be a phase.
We want you to develop it with us.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
We want you to be a real partner. We want
you to be creative.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I had an opportunity to go and create a
man's line with a brand that didn't have it yet,
be responsible for elevating, amplifying. I'm the business now that
didn't exist that does well, I'm gonna do that because
if I do it right, all of my partnerships that
I do Afterwards, I now got a resume with a receipt.

(34:13):
A receipt says Kevin Hart can do this for a company,
for a brand, for a entity. Kevin Hart did this.
So I took that ran with that. And now when
you talk about the other partnerships that have come to
the table, well, here's what I am as an incubator,
Here's what I am as an amplifier. And the words

(34:34):
that I'm able to use now, I didn't know these
fucking words.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know, how much do sales shoot up when you're
putting juice skin coys and not in the fabletics?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
H you know, it's crazy? Like that was such a genuine,
authentic moment. So they had just they had just sent me,
uh like we got we we have new product and
always get stuff first. And Kyle was joking around like
the sleepover man, you know we gonna be late. I
didn't know what to expect, so I still had the box.

(35:04):
I had the box with me with the fact that
lot of stuff. So just in genuine authentic moment during
that loud stream, I'm like, I got you a gift, Kai,
and I didn't have a gift.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I just gave you one of my sweatsuits, me the
same size.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
You want me to believe that you had Drew Sky size.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's the second one, me and Kai.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
That first one.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I just gave Kai the gift like as a sweatsuit.
So Kai, we put along. We're just playing around. It
was my sweatsuit coming back. I go, oh shit, that's
dope as fuck.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's dope because it's just good energy and it's a
real reaction.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I'm gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm gonna do the same thing because the Kai and
the juice give it all. Well, it's really about me
and powering them. I went to their world. I didn't
change that world to fit me. I want nothing to
do with your world.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I want to fucking be.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
A part of your world by showing how dope you are.
So I didn't come there as Kevin Hart to start.
Let's talk about all my shit I got going on.
I came in and said, well, what does it mean
when you do all this shit?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
What we do?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Now?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
What?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
What I gotta do? Money train, hype train? What?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
What?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
The business has ignored the fact that these guys are
the new business?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
What it fits you though? Because your brand is fun,
his brand is fun. It's easy.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's an easy, seamless fit. But what I'm trying my
best to do is show show the business, the studio business,
that the opportunities for them that we should be thinking
about exists where they're already succeeding. You.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Don't try to break and create a new model.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Try to figure out what they want to do and say, okay,
well how can I help you? How going to be.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Accessible for you and to you?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
So for Kyle Drewski just because of the love the
sweatsuits and all this is funny. Well, I didn't ask
Kyle what you make from this and how you get
your money?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I want none of it, dude.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I liked it. I came and fucked with y'all. Did
you have some success?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
More people came agree with your ship, Jusky. I love
that people know how funny you are. Man, you too,
I'm gonna fuck with y'all more, We're gonna figure it out.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
You was EP and the show for Juski before this.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, I'm trying to develop the Juice shovel Juski for
a minute.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Still are still are like Juicy.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think Jew is a star. I think Kai is
a star. I think you know when you look at
Mr Beese and what he's doing, like you're looking at
people that are creative minds and have figured out another
route to economic success. They have They have found a
way to say I'm going here, and I'm going here.
Mister Beaese's whole business is not just content but product commerce.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like, are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
You're talking about a talent that has figured out how
to bring commerce to his audience through a platform. That
guy's doing the right. Guess what I'm gonna do. Guess
what I'm gonna do. Hey Jimmy, I need to talk
to you. I don't want to control. I want to
know and I want to learn, but more poorly, I

(38:03):
want to partner.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
How do we sit? How do we talk?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Hey Kyle, Hey Juice, how do we sit? How do
we talk? Collaboration is the best form of success. You
can't collaborate. It's a it's a real lonely world, man,
And that whole fathletics thing and just me doing started
off as just a fucking real, easy, genuine thing because
I had it juice skin Kai came back.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Hey man, we're going to throw these on again.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Got you?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
keV is love. It's nothing forced.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was a it was a thing that worked because
of the authenticity and the brand.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Of course was happy.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But as a guy that controls the brand and operates
on this behalf, people associate me with the product seamlessly,
so it's never forced.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, I want to I want to talk to you
about fatherhood. Right as a father, I'm sure your family
motivates you to keep working and do more, but you
also want to prioritize being present. So how often do
you face the conflict of choosing between work and family
and how do you maintain the balance?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I got a lot better. I've got a lot better, man.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I think the engine in the early stages is an
engine dedicated to I'm doing all this so that they
don't have to, right Like, I'm thousand miles per hour
because I want to have this or that they can
have this or that we can do this. But then
you start to realize that that time can't get that
time back, and you start to miss real shit, real

(39:26):
shit the matters. Kids get older, they drop some shit
on you about what they wish you were at that
you wasn't, but it's okay, and you want to make
those changes. So I think because I've had such an
open relationship with my kids, a comfortable one where we
can talk and be transparent, I've been able to adjust
in real time and make things better. So I think

(39:48):
today I'm way more present than what I was in
two thousand and nine, two thousand and eight, twenty twelve.
You know, I'm a good dad, Like I'm I'm, I'm there,
and I make sure I'm there cause you I'm breaking
the ground in what fatherhood looks like from my family,

(40:09):
like me and my brother, our dad wasn't theirs, so
it was it was cool, but it was hit and
miss in and out. So me and my brother prioritize
how active we are with those kids, like it takes
the village. Like literally, my brother is the best asset
that I have outside of my wife. Like, hey man,
I gotta go on a road and I'm gonna be
going for set time.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Go and make sure the kids are good.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Pop in with them for like four days, give them
some activities, some stuff to do. I know they got classes,
blah blah blah. You're you're. We have a very nice
rapport of how we operate, and the kids love it.
They they see the efforts. They respect it. I think
they also see how I kill myself to get back
to them, you know what I mean, Like I'm I'm

(40:54):
out on tour buses, I'm back and forth, back and forth,
laying two days. All right, I leave one day, come
back to night. Like it's it's a lot, but it's
worth it.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
What is what is losing? Both your parents taught you
about parently, it's very.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Important to to understand, like this ship is a gift.
This this this game of life is a luxury and
you you don't have to be a part of that
luxury loan.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Scary thing about death is the next day.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Life still goes on right, Like you lose people that
you love, but the next day you still have to operate.
You still have to figure out this thing. You still
have to pay the bill, you still have to do
the work. You still have to figure out. You still
have to raise the kids. You still have to like
it doesn't stop because of your moment of mourn. So

(41:55):
what I what I definitely have been an example of
is strength. You know, when my mom and my dad passed,
I think my kids seeing how I handled both of
it from a realistic standpoint, is it's something that was
a value to them, right because rather than feeling the

(42:18):
death at the saddest level, I celebrated the life at
the highest and that was a I think that was
a thing that that they both kind of my two
older kids, my younger ones were a little my dad
passed away, it was sad, but my two older ones
kind of like understood my way of thinking and my

(42:39):
reason for why. And you know, I was like, It's
okay to be sad, but I'm making a conscious choice
in this moment to just think about the celebration, the
life that they lived, what they did, the great things,
And it was more about the storytelling on that side
of it than it was about the crime.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
How did you have to adjust your last stand up?
Because I told you I saw you with the garden
when you it was what became reality check, And I
told you, I feel like that was your best at right,
and you had a lot of you know material in
there about your father being sick. But by the time
the special came out, passed had passed. So how did
you have to adjust?

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I mean I went your you put it in the
past tense, right, like, you know, when my dad was
I think one of the biggest memories was my dad
would or you know, I mean, it's crazy that my
dad's not here because these thoughts like that I'm having
are all based from my dad. Like everything. I kind
of just put it in in the past moment and

(43:36):
the set became more of a dedication to my father
than than what it was in the in the beginning stages.
But my dad passed away in the middle of that tour,
know that tour, so I had to finish that set. Actually,
you know, it's crazy. Where were we at he just
passed away? He had just passed away. We were doing

(44:00):
the Uh I was doing the set when I'm thinking
about it, like, I'm like, yeah, my dad, and it
hit me on stage. Damn, that's the first time I
felt that, Okay, that's it's in there. At some point
it's gonna come out. Like I've just told you. My

(44:22):
way of handling it was celebrating the life or whatever.
And during that set, that's why I felt like a
little I felt the thing, that emotional thing and talking
about him as if he were still here and knowing
that he wasn't. And at the end of that show,
I told the audience my dad passed away. Wow. And

(44:44):
that's where it hit me.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I little.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I had to get off stage at I mean, grief
is okay. And I'm not saying you don't have it
when you shouldn't have it. I'm saying it hit me
in that moment. And to date, I don't think that
I've I still probably haven't grieved correctly over my mom
like I think I I accepted it. I knew what

(45:10):
it was because I knew it was coming. But I've
never had like a thing like a spiral fallout of thing.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You know, they say staying busy is a response to trauma.
So you stay busy so you don't have to the
the boy dealing with what you probably should be dealing with.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
So that's kids, I'm probably dealing with a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah I'm not going to fight that because I don't
know that. But if there was something to deal with,
it could step from that. But I'm also addicted to work,
like that's a work as a drug for me.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I remember you tweeting back in twenty thirteen, you said,
if you are afraid of failure, you don't deserve to
be successful. I think he was quoting Charles Barkley or somebody.
When I hear you say you're addicted to work, and
we watch it, we watch you, Are you afraid to fail?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
No? No, because I fail all the time.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
But at this point, I mean, what what is failure?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Like?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Like, right now I can go belly up the money,
the money could go away whatever, Like I'm never not
going to be okay.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I know how to get to the money.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
My confidence on my ability to get to the money, I'm.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Going to be okay.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Like there's like in the beginning stages of life, the hood,
et cetera, like there's a there's a real fear of uh,
I don't know where I ain't gonna be able to
fuck you, I don't know, Like there's there's a real
fear there because you're at the bottom right when you've

(46:48):
been when you've been to the top, And is it
really a fair at that point, like, Okay, you're saying
I had it all and I lost it, so now
my journey is getting some of it back.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Like, it's not a fear, that's it's a moment.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
And in business and entrepreneurship, things don't always go the
way you want. So if an investment didn't work and
I over committed, or if this went belly up and
I didn't have like, it's that stuff is very much possible.
I think for me, the lack of success or moment

(47:27):
where unsuccess like presents itself, that's dope because there's so
much information in that. There's so much information you gained
from the thing that didn't work, the thing that flopped,
the thing that fucking was supposed to Like, there's information
value in that. So it's about how you It's about

(47:47):
how you take it. I don't. I don't take it.
I don't take it with it like a negative grain
of salt. I'm I'm pretty well with receiving that. I
just think I need to be committed to something me
to make my life feel like it has a driving
source of energy that won't die.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Like I like this because it keeps you from being petty.
But you're still a cancer KIV. Yeah, I'm a cancer
is a cancer. We're all busy people. We still find
he's different. If you find a little time to be
petty with the people that throw shots, that you different.
You don't never what's the most pettiest thing you've thought
about doing.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I've done it, just people would never know, like like
people would never know it like I don't. It's like,
you know, people like the public here, Okay, this is
something I said. I was talking to somebody man, And
you know, it's really not hard if you have if

(48:51):
you have real problems with people, and your problems are
like serious, it's not hard to ever get to a
person and really like address the problem.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
The problems that people have of me, they aren't my problems.
So the idea of being petty or going back and forth,
it's so beneath me because I don't have the problem,
and I feel like if I engage, it makes it
look like I got a problem. I don't.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
All Well, things get taken out of context too, though,
because even when you think about Cat Williams on Club Sha,
a lot of people thought you threw shots at him first,
and he was replying.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Back there's I think there's probably one moment where I've
actually talked about Kat publicly, and this was when Timmy
and this was like we were we were promoting night
School and Tiffany was affected by some of the things
he said, and it was more of a like support

(49:55):
for her in that moment and like some shots at him.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Do you regret that?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah? I shouldn't even God, I should never address him
at all. I don't have to, Like why what will
it do for me? What will I gain?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
There's no gain.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
So I look at everything from a business and economic standpoint,
like if I'm investing in something, well, what is my return?
What's the return on my investment? What's the return on
my time? Was the return on my energy? Was the
return on my investment? So that investment of self words
dialogue brings me what what? What? What? And if I

(50:46):
can't answer that question, or if people around me can't
answer that question, then it doesn't get an in an
inklet of energy. So it has nothing to do with
people feeling like they're above, people feeling like they're better. Oh,
it has to do with a strong understanding of you
and like yourself level of awareness, like I'm i can

(51:09):
check all these boxes, but to some they want to
take it or misconstrued or twist it as it's not.
It's not my problem, it doesn't become my problem.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Is that a part of acting my age, acting my
agees is so dope and you can have I know
you said fifteen, you have more of you want you
can do'n like twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I want make sure you get your shit.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Oh great, I'll say.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
The better side of acting my age and the understanding
of what this special is is like, it's so dope
to understand what the idea of old age is. It
should be older, older, should be wiser, it should mean
like fucking wisdom. It's life lived. The older you get

(51:57):
your representation of life lived. And if you're lucky enough
to make it to fifty sixty seventy, that means you
were one of the few fortunate people and not only
made it to the other side of life, but got
to see other lives make it there as well. Grandkids, kids,

(52:22):
have kids, homes, families, whatever it is, neighborhoods change, fucking
the inclusion of the merge between. If you're a person
that got to witness and was around and I remember
when man, what's better? I just worked with Samuel Jackson

(52:44):
and dopes thinking about Samuel Jackson when we do a
fight night as every day, Sam had a story about
the shit that happened during that time because he was there.
He was there. Oh man, right here, y'all see this
right here. This wasn't this spot. This used to be
raise and what they would do here? You just sitting
listen the joy that Sam found and telling us the

(53:09):
moments of life that he lived that none of us
could fucking relate to because.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
None of us were around.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Sam was the one lucky, the one lucky individual from
this time that can still talk about it. Some other
people might not be here, other friends from that time
may be there, may not. But he was so happy
at telling the stories. That's joy. That's fucking great. So

(53:37):
the age forty five, I'm embracing the concept of getting
older and being the thing that you're becoming instead of
running away from it. Everybody's running this way. Everybody's trying
to get younger, pulling the skin back and taking this
all for doing that.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But what does aging look like in a realm where
the goal is to remain relevant? That's why everybody's doing
this skin stuff, the tucks and whatever else the Olympic.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Like I don't I don't know what other people are
going through, So I would never speak on.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Another person's behalf. I would say that.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
If more, if we saw more people celebrate the cool
shit about ages ages, I think that aging would be
highlighted differently, right, I think the conversations attached to it
or one side that you hear, we only hear one
side of it. And when you're talking about saying relevant,

(54:43):
it's it's it's all subjective. You just said you had
L L L here.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Elle's dropping the album been doing it for forty years.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Is he dropping the album to be relevant or is
he dropping an album because he's like, hey man, I'm
mis rapping. I'm about to just rap. Yeah, I want
to rap and just rap. Show my fuckers I still
can rap.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Oh, Lebron Lebron twenty one years in?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Is he playing because he's trying to be still relevant?
Or does he just love the game of basketball? Like what,
it's subjective as as to how you want to view it,
you know what I mean? Like, there was a there
was a time where before all the ship had happened,
when I was in Uh, I was in Montreal and

(55:32):
Bill Cosby was performing, sitting on the stool performance. It's like,
you still love comedy, granted, like I said, it's before
all the shit. It's like if you love something and
you just want.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
To be old and do the thing you love cool,
It's I think it's subjective as to how you view it,
and I think you can find so much joy and
happy and being what you are, doing what you love
and getting older while doing it and embracing the younger
environment of people that are doing it.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Well, absolutely embracing the younger generation. Like I have nothing
but love for this dope ass new wave of comedic
talent that we're witnessing today.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Like there's no competition.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
You home to me, like there's no competition, Like when
when I see the Drew Skis, the KUIs, the the
Desi Banks, the b Simons, the just hilarious, uh, the
pretty v fuck Man, Carlos eighty five, all these guys
and there's so many to name. Matt Rife, who.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I just talked about as well.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I mean, I can I can go down a crazy list. Uh,
Mulaney who's doing great, Ryan Davis another funny one like
there's so many funny people out out there, and the
world of stand up comedy has gotten so big Andrew crushing.
It's dope as fuck to watch people crush. It's dope

(57:11):
as fuck to watch people find success, and guess what,
it does nothing to mine.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It doesn't hinder.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
My level of success in any way, shape or form.
And I think like people have a hard time realizing that.
Right you don't ever see me Chris and Dave fight.
Let's see his are you right? Me and Chris and
Dave are actually so fucking close. Chris wal call me
and go, keV you going on tour and I'll go, ah,

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not yet. He's like, don't lie, bitch, because I'm about
to put these dates up and don't you announce it? And
then we know, Chris, I would never. Okay, I got you,
see what you're saying. Chris will always make sure it's this, Dave,
what you're doing. I'm working on some shit. I ain't
got nothing yet, but I will. All right, I'm gonna
go up around this time. We make sure we communicate,
We we coexist because we're not against one another, like

(58:05):
we want to see each other flourish.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
That's why it should be people at the topic, collaborating,
people at the bottom of compete.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
It's and by the way, when we go and we're
down here with the younger generation, it should be nothing
but embracing.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
You said you wanted Kay to play you in a movie. Ye,
Are you were any of your son's pissed off about that? No?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
No, although my son, my son is in uh this
next fathletic spot that it did, he's showing his acting chops.
I'm put him in a fat letic spot. I told
Kyle that because everybody says like Ky and I have
the same energy, and you know, Kyle wants to Kyle
wants to act. He's saying like, at some point he
wants to get into it. And I love that. I
love that he's already looking at bigger pictures. I love

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that he's making his money. I love that he has
his thing, and you know, I'm gonna figure out ways
to do that thing with him. And you know, even
even when I talk about comics, right like the Plastic coupleoys,
when I talk about Spank, I talk about Naim, I
want to talk about Joey, Like these guys have been
headlining for a long time and being established in comedy.

(59:07):
That's a very hard thing. It's a very hard thing
to be established in stand up comedy like this is
you're talking about uh a contractor like mentality at work.
It's you know, you gotta eat what you killed. So
without audiences, you got no got no revenue. You got

(59:30):
to figure out where to go and where to hustle
up to get the money. We're talking about a bunch
of people who have figured it out. I applauded that
at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Speaking of eating right, it's fight night. Was the strange
doing that sex scene with Trog and was baby Boy
in any inspiration behind it? No, it was what I
did you study Tyres and baby Boy when he did that?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
No, they really they really didn't sex scene. They really
like Tyrense and t really did a sex scene. Like
they had a lot of ship to do in that scene.
The story of that scene told so much. You had
flashbacks that she had to go through. It was a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
There was a lot that went into that. I mean,
tease my sister.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So I minimalized it to where you know, we don't
we don't have to get that active and we don't
have to do that much and I think you know.
And in any project, it's all about the story that
you're trying to tell. And if men Taraji had to
tell a different side of a story for the purpose
of the the IP and and to set up the

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future thing that's gonna happen, Okay, yeah, you can go there.
But the relationship between Viv and Chicken Man is one
of her being this down ass chick and has rolled
with him and will ride with him for anything. Our
sexual relationship isn't the highlight. It isn't stronger than you
saying I got him and I know he got me.

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So how do we how do we make sure we
told that line?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
And that's also within.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
The creative I haven't had to do anything crazy like
that and any project that I've done to date, And
if you don't have to, you don't. You don't need to,
right It's like, once again, I'm the creator. I'm on
the side with the writers and the stuff, and they.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Do have something in there. If they're seeing keV this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
When you got to eat eat ass, why you don't
have to Anyways?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I love the Chicken Man character. Is it fair to
label the Chicken Man character a bad guy? Or is
he just a product of his environment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
He's not only a product of his environment. He's a
he's a definition of a real entrepreneur. And sometimes as
an entrepreneur, your vision as a visionary can't be seen
by everybody is everybody doesn't do what you do. So
Chicken Man can be seen as a guy that makes
bad decisions. But the people that are part of all

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of his decisions know it's hard. They know they know
his won they know it's real, his real initiative and
what he's willing to do to get there, and why
some can be a part of it and some can't,
And why some can know this and some can't. Like
if you know him, you're gonna love him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
If you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
You hear about him, you're intrigued to know what it
is and why he's been Like, I found a lot
of similarities with Chicken Man, which is why I wanted
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
The road to greatness is the road that everybody can't
be on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And a lot of people got left behind on Chicken
Man's road, and those that fucking stayed and made it
through the storm, they all saw the value at the
end of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Did Terrence, how will try to explain any of his
math to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I told Terrence, I love them, but I'm not I'm
not your customer. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I love terror.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I think there's one of the most talented people to
ever goddamn touch that acting stage like he is a
bad mother when it comes to action and cut Terrence
will do whatever it is that you needed to be done.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Uh stand character. Yeah, we know why he was wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
To win everybody else. Yeah, but you know when he
when he starts to talk about the stuff, he's really
into that ship like that's his that's his ship. But
you have to You just gotta be honest with people
right out the gate. And I'm I'm not just customer.
I'm not going to retain this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
So what are you say. I'm not trying to tell
you nothing. I'm just trying to explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
He said, Kevin, you're still gonna listen. I just had
to sit there and then when he got done, I
was like, yeah, I see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Last question, do you think you were born already destined
to be who you are today or was this version
of you molded and crafted along this amazing journey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
You molded crafted?

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I would love to to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Sit the fairy tale and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Do the traditional live absolutely Scott's I think.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
I think I'm beyond blessed to have the support and
family that I had in coming up, the mother that
I had, and the support came from like me not knowing.
A lot of people, a lot of people come down

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on that younger child that don't know. I don't know, man,
school ain't for me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
What you gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
A lot of people call it that guy or that
girl loser, or you know, you ain't doing it right.
You ain't taking life serious, you ain't thinking everybody has.
Everybody has a different legenda when it comes to time
and when things click versus when they don't. If you
take my mom's level of support away from me not knowing,

(01:04:53):
I would have never discovered the thing that I fell
in love with. Like I didn't go to school with
the purposely say I'm stopping because I'm about to start comedy.
I discovered it. It was it was an accident, it
wasn't on purpose. In conversation, care you should do it,
should try to amate you to night. Okay, the discovery
I fell in love with the new idea of the

(01:05:14):
thing that I could do I love this thing. I
love this feeling. Now that I'm excited, all of the
energy and effort that I have it can go into
something that I actually am excited about. Without that excitement,
without that light bulb, A lot of people struggle with
the first step. It wasn't until I got my light bulb.

(01:05:35):
I hit the ground running. And then after that and
seeing your result of hard work pay off, well, you
attach that same effort and energy because you know what
it feels like to put one hundred percent into something
and then see it work. So what I am and
who I am today and where I'm at absolutely not.
But now that I am here, I do feel like

(01:05:58):
it's my job to be as best of an example
as I can be for the next generation to do
more and surpass right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
This shouldn't be it for who's to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Come and what's to come next. I'm just a version
of new I was able to do. Like, here's what
I was able to do. But when I'm fucking fifty five,
god willing in sixty, I would love to see the
next version in position to do more or prepared to
do more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Well, you're making it easier for the next generation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Kevi, I appreciate you man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Keep growing my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Great talk, great great dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yea