December 19, 2024 • 39 mins
In This Episode of "Out of Context" Lil Baby sits down for an interview with Charlamagne Tha God.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Gee say why.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, ready, little baby, you doing how you're doing?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Brother? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Man, man, congratulations, you just turned thirty a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Man, ge't up now you feel like the old head.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now for sure?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
What you think? What's what's the difference between turning thirty
and you know, growing up in your twenties.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
It's crazy that might seem like it, but even when
you twenty nine, you don't feel like the same thirty.
It's just something about when you turn in thirty looking
like a steep hill, you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Feel like you got more responsibility.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now you know, I got the same responsibilities I been had.
It's just like, it's just something about the twenties kind
of give you a little leeway or seem like when
you turn thirty, ain't them on leeway?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What do you think made you grow up faster? The
streets of the industry?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I had to say both, you know what I'm saying
his own way. You know what I'm saying the instrument.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Me grow up faster like in like real world, but
I had to still grow up faster in the streets,
you know what I'm saying, being young kid doing grown
man stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So it's like both parts.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
What's manhood looked like to you at this point in
your life, manhood and leadership, because that's one thing I
loved about your documentary. It was like, Yo, you could
tell you as a leader from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Man to me, now it's like own this stuff for
working tours on it to make sure like you and
your family cold ever trying to make sure your family
good fail.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Is it true that your father left when you were
just two years old?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, sounding like I ain't gonna say left my mama.
I left single parent, you know what I'm saying. I
know my dad signed the family well, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But it was just your mom and your two sisters. Yeah,
so you were kind of required to be the man
of the house early.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Right, something aspens. But like you're saying, like you grow
up fast though, you know what I'm saying. So even
when you do see stuff that you aren't used to,
you gotta like get with it quick.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
How does how does that experience impact the way you
show up as a father?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I Number one, I don't want my kids to live
a life out live no sorter kind of way, you know,
and they won't you kind of life I live?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Does the being a celebrity make it hard for you
to be your hands on father.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Definitely, I can't be there as much as I want
to be, you know what I'm saying. We can't do
like the regular stuff. And normally we still try to
do like regular shiit what normal people do. But life,
for the most part, I'm always gone, you know what
I'm saying. If I do see them, it's for a
couple of days. They just not really getting settled. Then
they gotta go again. So it's definitely a So I
advise people to just wait.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You say you're vig.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I advise people to wait. And you got like a
career like mine, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
To have kids? Yeah, work, Yeah, how long would you wait?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Even if thirty is you know what I'm saying, And
like get through your twenty kind of go through that
lifestyle and kind of get away from all that so
you don't even gotta do it later on, you know
what I'm saying, Like get it out of your system.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How strong is that to have a I mean, how
good is it to have a real strong support system,
like you know, to have the right mother, your children
and all of that I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Everything to me, definitely, because you know what I'm saying,
take a vantage to raise a family, you know what
I'm saying, or a kid, so everybody him put matters.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, it took me.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I was I was talking to p earlier man, and
I was saying that I feel like the Internet wants
you to fall off so bad. It just seemed like overnight,
little they had a little baby fell off campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Where do you think that came from?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't ein't care really I'll be saying ship like that,
but I was like where it came from?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And I don't mean that's how I get by, you know,
I don't even get in and shit like that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, I feel like they don't want you to grow.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I feel like, you know, after the bigger picture, everybody
saw a little baby in a different light and they
wanted they wanted more that, but then they wanted you
to do the screen shit too.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, It's like it's like giving a tape. You know
what I'm saying to the point where I kind of
understand it. And what I mean by that is like
I ain't like I really didn't ever take them with
me to transition, you know, what I'm saying, So like
a transition, I don't expect certain people to certain fans
catch up to it, like you know, sometimes you gotta
(04:23):
like dumb it down.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
How do you take them through the transition though? Do
you do it through like interviews? Do you do it
through music?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's the part I'm learning right now?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I'm trying
to that's just giving it being experience, you know what
I'm saying, because of course, whatever I'm doing it, as
i'm doing it, I know what i'm doing.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I know I'm changing.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But if I just drop a song or if I
just do something, you don't know what I done went through.
You don't know the changes, So I can't even expect
you to be up to speed or like what I'm on.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So how to start looking edit from that aspect.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The tricky shit about that though, is if they want
you to be in the street, but then when you
crash out they call you stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, so I ain't gonna get so I always know
I wasn't gonna get up and get caught up in that.
I'd rather sit it out or I got damned be
involved in that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I saw you post.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You posted that the last couple of years, you've been
struggling life wise, maybe even mentally so, so where you
at now.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm in a better state, but like still and then
when I say stuff like that, well I don't even
usually say stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I mean, like far as like that type of shit,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's like a big transition in your head for you
to go from like where I went to like where
I'm trying to go.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And it was like a turning point in the last
two years.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
From being this nigga from the streets or whatever to
trying to you know what I'm saying, actually go the
right path, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So that's like a real mind boggling thing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Was it a was it a dollar amount you saw?
Was it the the company you was keeping?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
What made you realize like I got that A vivoting
a little bit of everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Even just always like even when I was doing shit,
I always live like I don't got none to lose,
Like now I got so much to lose.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's not the same, Well what you've been going through though, Like,
like what have you been going through that made you
kind of like just fall back a little.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Bit saying everything like people like get in trouble around you.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You start seeing people don't really love you for real,
or people might be just coming and do the craziest
things to get a few dollars at you. You starting
to like at first when you when you're first going
through it, it's all new, so it's like a bird
to you. Then you kind of start catching on and
then after a while you're like, damn, I see what's
really going on?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is this why we haven't gotten a lot of music
out of you over the last few years?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Definitely because I rap about like I ain't really no writer,
you know, I finished out, so it's like all in
my head, you know what I'm saying. So in my head,
I ain't in a missal space, right, missr space. I
ain't gonna beat like just rap man, do.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You feel like music? You're vulnerable enough? That's one of
the critiques I hear.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I's not learning with that all that shit. Mean, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
From the way I've been explained, maybe not, you know,
what I'm saying, I can understand why that was more
what I was just saying, like, if you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Don't take them on the journey, they kind of be
kind of lost a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
They don't even really know the aspect of you saying
something doing something.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because when I talk to people, they tell me that
they want to hear more pain in Little Babies music,
And it sounds like behind the scenes, you going through
that just not putting it into music.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Because I had to learn how to like translate when
I'm actually going through into the music. You know what
I'm saying, when it goddamn music. The reason why they
even going through this.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Shit, they want to hear more emotionally scarred shit like that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, all those records hard for you to make.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's super easy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You just don't want to expose yourself in certain way,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and not that I don't want to it, just
I'm accustomed to not doing it. So that's like, you know,
you're getting your feelings every now and then. They gangs
just always, and they feelings, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You think that's like the protective instinct that you just
carry with yourself from being in the street like if
you show too much of yourself, you might be food
to people.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what wolves come.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Up for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But you are artists now though, so it's a balance
of yes.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So it's like that's the transition of the mental state
I had to go through to get that program there reprogrammed.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think after Bigger Picture, people expected you to evolve
into a more mature artist and just make music that
reflected like more of the pain you may be feeling.
Is that what you were looking to do with five
AM and Insecurities?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Anah, I'm looking to do that with like dombin Et album, right, Okay,
I'm dropping the album first call, like wo wow. That's
kind of like trying to lead them up into that
versus just like jumping into it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
What is wayn I'm gonna be more freet music or yes,
in a sense, but I still put like some of
the songs they we're going to Dominie album on whim
because I ain't want them to just wait for long.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And I know, like you're saying, I gotta court audience
for like those emotionally scaring tight songs, those paying tight songs.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So Dominique is gonna be like personal like yeah, more personal?
Does that scare you?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Not? No more?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But like that's the part of the two years what
I've been going through and shit like that, you know
what I'm saying. So I already they kind of went
through the scary part.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You say on one of the records. Now you say,
can't be vulnerable. Who I'm going to talk to when
I'm going through it?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can afford therapy, little baby, all that money you making.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I ain't a firm believer in therapy. Okay, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Have you tried it though?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah? I mean I haven't tried it personally, but in
a since I have. You know what I'm saying. I
got people who I talk to, you know what I'm saying,
who will play as a therapist.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But I feel like everybody like regular people, So it
ain't too much a therapist can real they do for
you and just like have an open ear. But you
being like a celebrity and all that, it get weird,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, Like who does the go to God go to?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, So that's why I never always been like I
ain't saying I'm gonna getst everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't even cross my mind though, who do.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You talk to.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Certain people about certain stuff? You know what I'm saying,
Like I know I can talk to him about this,
I can talk to her about this like certain people
certain stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Another line, you say, how you manage to get everything
you wanted but still ain't happy?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right because it's like the more money, more problems. You
know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So it's like you think, once you get everything all this,
you'll be like happy boy, here go something else. But
it's a part of learning how life goes. You know
what I'm saying, ain't gonna never stop?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Are you happy now?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It ain't happy as I want to be? But I'm
in a state though. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What makes little baby happy at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Is that's how I know I ain't happens I want
to because I don't know damn. I mean your kids, yeah,
definitely like joyful for them.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know what I'm saying, is all of this what
you thought it was gonna be, like just the success
that you was.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I ain't never know what it could be, so I
ain't thinking nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying, like, I ain't never had
a imagination for it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So you never dreamed of this at all.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when you was in the street and then you
started rapping, you even just looking around Atlanta and looking
at all the successful.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Artists, I know what like big was, but I ain't
know how like what really big was? You know, I
ain't really never know nothing about the real music industry,
And like I couldn't think I could get be worth
when I'm worth now reached the levels out I ain't
even know that really existed. I ain't know nothing about
platinum and gold and album seals and.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Being the new thing streams, and I ain't never know
nothing about it.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So even me saying like I know I was gonna
be big, I couldn't even I wouldn't even know what
that was to even think that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, what do you think it is about Atlanta that
makes like dudes from the street become like these international superstars,
Like what is it about Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Fael?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Like, you know, hip hop was already like based off
in the streets and all started from like the streets,
So it's just a land as one of those street
places the same way where they're everywhere you know what
I'm saying. But I just feel like the swag and
the tone there and Land got making more successful then
a lot of other places.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
What don't you like about the game?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They shoot them up bin bin everywhere and everybody. Shit,
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You feel like you always gotta watch you back.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
No, no, just it's just creates a target on everybody,
you know what I'm saying. And that ain't what we're
supposed to be in it for. Well, I ain't. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I forgot what record it was, but you said you
got all of this it's basically PTSD from all of
the all of the shootouts and stuff that you've been
Did you think that once you got into the industry
like that would kind of go away, like you kind
of escaped that.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, But it's because it's like that's what I was
telling people. You put yourself on a bigger scale now
that you're in the industry.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I ain't even have problems when I four hours a rapper.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
The more you get bigger than you get bigger than everybody, though,
not just the fans, not just the girls, not just
the kids, everybody included.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Was it a hard transition for you? Are they are
there still?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm like almost all the ways. I didn't transition all
the way. Like I would never leave Atlanta, you know
what I'm saying. I live in another state, so I
didn't transition all the way. But it's still at times
where you know what I'm saying, it's like they'll fuck
with you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Where'd you get the name wham? I know I stand
for hoo harder than me, But where'd you get.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
That name from from?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Like when wam bitch on the baby? Okay, one of
my guys just started calling me wham and everybody started
calling me whim.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I saw Doug said. Doug said, what what wham says? Goals?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Then you put it up on Billboard? What did that
post mean to you?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Did you speak the Doug a lot when you got
locked up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
His dad.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
His dad said that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
He got at you once for not going to thugs
court dates. Her dad say anything, that's how you felt
about that?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
What's what's the relationship with you? With you and thug?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Now I know he's on the new album their relationship,
say relationship with man?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know what I'm saying, is it hard to make
music because he's under so much scrutiny And I know
the lawyer is probably looking at.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
He's super talented, you know what I'm saying. So really
like he doing with ease?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Mhm? When when? When?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
When he said? What William says goals? What did what
did you say? Or what did you want to say?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And when? Like literally that you know what I'm saying.
It's like a inside.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What's the relationship with you and Gunner right now?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I've got no relationship? Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The internet says the and then that says you can't
you can't make hits without dinner. So do you think
y'all ever make music again?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Any there? Say anything? I mean it hits I got
absolutely So that don't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know how much you pay attention to that tonight?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Man, Like I only see what I gotta see, you
know what I'm saying, And I try my basics just
keep going ship like that. I don't feed into that
comments and all that some shit just be the headline.
You gotta see it, you know, what I'm saying. For
the most part, I don't even get answer shit like that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I know, I know Thug says what Wayam says goes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But if Thug says, hey, I'm gonna get in the studio,
I'm gonna max some music with Gonna Baby, I want
you to participate, would you?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't see that happen.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm just saying like I don't want you to participate.
I don't know what nobody else will do. You know
what I'm saying. But but just as far as me.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You dropped the three fifty record and you said I
ain't never saying nothing about it. Nigga, you know you
was a rat and everybody thought you was talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But everybody's just the Internet where they're gonna create. I
talk about Rat, say every song I had since I
started rapping. So now you know, be like they just
created a narrative and go, I don't even be telling
about it soever a rat?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know what I'm saying, what's your relationship with you? See?
Because I know you just started your own label.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I started my own label, but I ain't signed on
my own label. You know what I'm saying, like I'm
still signing you.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
See, so you still the soldier with QC, the general
with was a glass windows.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You changed your name from from four PF. Wh why
do you change the type change the name.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Ain't changed your name, it's just a whole new company.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, so four PF still still exists.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What was your reaction when you heard Kendrick mention you
and not like us? He said a little baby helped
you get your lingo up and reference to Drake. What
do you think when you heard that?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I ain't really like that side of him.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So, you know, but you and Drake always had a
good relationship, helps.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You a lot great relationship. Yeah, so you know you're
kind of like it's just with any situation, like you
and him was arguing of hell you're gonna say, but
you know, like, don't bring you in it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I don't want be having nothing to do with it.
I got it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'll be having not saying whatever they got going on
there really now, but I'll be like I feel like,
to me, like rapping ship be my work. You know
what I'm saying. It's like I don't I don't want
that type of shit that work you know what I'm saying.
That's what like even you saying, like what's your relationship
with Gunna?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I ain't.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I ain't here it. I ain't in it for that
type of ship. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
on that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I bought that up just just just because of the
music music aspect of it, because you know people y'all,
y'all made hits together, and some people want that to
get right, So you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
One thing I loved about your documentary, man, is it
just shows you know how much you mean to this,
to the city city of Atlanta. So when you have
a city that loves you that much, do you ever
feel like you can just completely completely let let it
go like the street, the street aspect of it, because
you can't.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can't be that person no more.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's just like just different aspects of it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I still be that personal donate millions to the neighborhood,
you know what I'm saying. But that don't mean I
gotta be hanging in the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like I'm still feeding the streets one way
or other. You know what I'm saying, It's just I
got a different way of going about it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Now, do you think it's a culture shock when they
see you like out with the Michael Rubens of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, for sure it's a culture shop.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
But that's more like me very vulnerable, Like you can't
even imagine that type of shit beyond you know what
I'm saying, I don't just hang with people. I ain't
one of them. As you got this city, I'm a
whole man, you know what I'm saying. He actually get
a nigga game. Ren had like real conversations. You can
like talk to somebody on a high level about like
questions that when don't be knowing you know what I'm saying,
they be knowing that shit.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
And I think what the streets don't understand is when
you got relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
The streets saying the Internet ain't the same. So you
you're saying with the Internet saying they ain't the streets.
You know what I'm saying, I'm two different things.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That is that's that is very true.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That is very true.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But so what the Internet don't understand is when you
around people like that, you getting gained, probably getting more money,
and that you're able to get back to the streets
even more.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Turning all the rest of the niggas onto it, like, look,
this is how we do it. That's right, you know
what I'm saying. But I understand that like the internet
want to know their in I also don't break it
down for.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Them to know that either. You know what I'm saying,
So I take it with the grant it's hot, like
I can.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I can see why they'll say that because I already
know I have to dumb it all the way down
for them even understand. You gotta be a cold motherfucker
to keep the ship I be doing. You know what
I'm saying on the on it just as far as
the naked, I ain't telling you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I don't understand why they just don't. They don't respect actions,
you know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Don't see it, you know you gotta do down. You
gotta say it what it is, and you don't do
that directly. They go it whatever they see directly.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Do you do you feel like you gotta tell them
every single thing you do.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
For the hood, Like, hey, I don't even tell them
I do the most or the most the most most.
I don't got a PRBI team behind it, no nothing,
no never, I really the most millions a year.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
How do you?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
How do you handle raising a son and cole parenting
with somebody who's also a public figure.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's kind of hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Definitely, because it's like you always be attached to that person,
you know what I'm saying, even if even it's just
in today's time. The other person don't even have to
be in the line like they gonna automatically be if
I had a child with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So that's like something I'm gonna have to battle no
matter what.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
In a sense, How how you been able to keep
your personal life private?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I just don't go on the Internet about it.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
It's like easy to me, like I don't even need
like cause I don't look at the internet as like
my fans and I look at the internet like the
whole world. It's like certain shot, I'm just not gonna
voluntarily tell the whole world for nothing, or like I
can't get validation from like come in saying that type
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't function like that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You do realize though, the Internet just be fucking with
you because you're successful.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, I don't get into it, you know what I'm saying,
because you know you can't be Then they'll say it's
Scott Green and many keep coming hard day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's right. So I am don't ready to get in
the missing.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because it will fuck you up mentally definite.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
They'll say one thing on the internet, but then you
go and perform in front of thirty thousand people and
everybody's singing your music word for word.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So who's supposed to listen.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
To That's the That's the only thing. You gotta know
what the weave in, what the weave out. Sometimes the
comments could be correct, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes
sit people be saying could be correct, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So you gotta kind of go for what you feel.
Get you a team around who can help you in
those aspects. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What do you feel right now? You should be doing
in the studio, just musically, like if you didn't have
to listen to nobody, you know, not the screeze, not
the internet, just what a.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Little baby now?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay, nobody and I still listen to what people got
to say, Yes to see what they say, you know
what I'm saying. But once you're listening and you get
ten different opinions from ten different people.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's like you throw away it got your here, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
The more successful you got, do you feel like you
got a greater sense of responsibility?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Definitely?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Do you feel feel feel pressure to just release music
because of the high demand that people have for a
little baby They always they always want a little new,
little baby music.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's like a good problem have feeling no pressure though.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But then when you take a couple of years off,
that's when they started. Oh he fell off, he fell off,
he fell off.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
That's how I really go about it life, total honesty.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You said that in the I could in a minute.
You said, blood, sweat, and tears come with each check.
It ain't nowhere easy. So what's been the hardest part
of your career so far?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Share everything from just starting this career.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I jump into her career kind of like big you
know what I'm saying, So I had to adapt from
behind It ain't like I grind it for five years
then got to hit.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know what I'm saying, I grounded five days and
gotta hit. So now I got adjestion.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
God damn, this whole new lifestyle shit, I really know
nothing about.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Do you talk about just like as far as being.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Both union, that's god damn.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I already had a lifestyle of like having money, so
that was the only good thing with just period. People
knowing you, people taking picsures of you. You know, you
can't go to this player public like you hear yourself,
you seeing yourself everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Like
it's a super big, rastic change.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But now it's business.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's I guess that's what you're trying to show people
like I'm doing business now.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Really I was doing business the whole time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And I love for my famis we relate to it,
but it's still the business aspect.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I wonder they would even understand.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They wouldn't. That's why I don't trying to press it
too hard. I understand that they would.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know what I'm saying, is there certain things you
want them to know them, like as far as your
business is concerned, Like I really want y'all to know
I'm doing this, and if y'all knew what I was doing,
y'a would understand what.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I always tell the guys and shit because they want
me to. They always want me to like clear this
up or like he'll know I say this. I feel
like when a day right for them to know, they
gonna know, and then I'm still gonna look like the
bitch in the word, Like damn the whole time, you
could have easily just told us, you know what I'm saying,
where I rather just when day you're gonna see it
is inevitable.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Who are your OG's in the game right now? Like
like what's what's some of the most important lessons.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You learned from them?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Like like in the game on any level, just any
o g's around you, whether it could be P Michael Ruber,
I keep.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I keep ogs, Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like
I ain't never That's how my name I got a
little baby name from being a little boy hanging and
all the grown man.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
So I got five or ten people call my phone
every day from old niggas who are own hundred men
already from real the state, never been nowhere on the scene.
Niggas who rap games, Swiss beats. You know what I'm saying,
Like I'm always having open here. You know what I'm saying,
I want to listen. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I like having a big home on somebody who I
can call it get the game from. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do they understand because I mean it's it's you're still
your little baby the artist, or you might have ojis
who do things business wise?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Do they understand what you're going through as a artist?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Who are the people that you talk through from that
perspective perspect I.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Don't really talk to nobody like that because I don't
really know nobody. But you know, people like Young Thug.
You know what I'm saying that like I can talk
to him about stuff like that, cause I ain't really
even cool with rappers to even really just talk to
a nigga.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean you and Thug go back.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We saw that in the documentary how He's He would
pay you to stay out the street because he just
believed in you?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Did he believe in what? Did he believe in you?
As a rap fel just a person?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like you believe it, just a person if I was
gonna rap me and that's like just the whole everything,
because it wasn't even more so like songs because at
like you hurt me rap no other.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Time rap two three songs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So it can't be like b your bar's immaculate. You
gotta be like what you're seeing me as a person.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
How did that that time influence not just the way
you you saw a thug, but the way you saw yourself?
Because when people see things in you that that you
don't normally see in yourself, like you just start showing
up for yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Different Definitely if you get a little bit for you
invest shot and feed off of.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It, and that one he's one of the closest people to.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You know you credited a long conversation with with Little
Marlow Rest in Peace for being the turning point that
made you take rap serious.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So so how did that impact you?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Not take rap serious? Rap period? This rap period? You
know what I'm saying, Like I get to go to
the studio. You're like, man, we need to make a song.
You know what I'm saying, Man, a song.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The fact that he believed in you?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Does that remain one of the driving forces and what
keeps you even going now?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like and now it's so much give me driving forces,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It's like I had to devote my whole life to
this now because it's like I can't go back to
being a regular person no matter what, you know what
I'm saying, Even if I was a regular, I still
want to be a regular person. So that's the drive
right there, you know what I'm saying. And like I
always want to leave a legacy, like I don't want
to never.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Be a used to be, a could have been. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
People don't talk about that enough.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
They don't talk about how like you know, when you
got people that believe in you in a real way,
whether it's Doug, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's a whole lot, Yeah, that makes a big difference
and everything you gotta just be music. When you got
people who believe it you a little a little dry.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Who do you believe in right now? Because you got
your your label who do you believe in?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You see?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Do you see like one of them next super starts
coming from Atlanta under you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, definitely. I ain't from I ain't from Alabama. I
definitely seeing in them. I got a new Their artist
ain't new.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
But what I see in them might not be with
everybody else seeing them though.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know what I'm saying, How.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Do you how do you still let them grow as
artists even though you are on a different level because
you're seeing things that they haven't seen or or may
not see.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They may not have the success you have.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So how do you just let them be them and
not put too much pressure on them?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
They I don't got no pressure on them or whatever
y'all want to do.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Okay, I still just explaining y'all how I did it though,
because I because I shot up fast, but I took
all the steps too.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I just did it fast, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So like I had to go through everything they going
through already, so I can tell them, man, try to
for them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Do you feel like you put too much pressure on
yourself this as far as who you are, not even
this little baby as far as its being dominique, like
probably taking care of like people.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
In your hood, you know, because I'm as shit like
I ain't never scared to say no, you know what
I'm saying. I know when I can say, you know
what I'm saying, it's like I don't put myself in
that position where it's like I'm sketched out trying to
do for everybody else. Like maybe back in the day
I might have would have been, but like at this point,
my kids and they had my height.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know what I'm saying. Fucking nigga, What was the program.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You enrolled in at Harvard Business School?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Uh? A business class called Launch and Invents.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What made you want to do that?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Swhere?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah? Swiss and kids?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
What they told you?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What did they tell you that made you want to
do it?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Swiss had already been telling me to do it for
about a year and two or three more people told
me like they don't even know I know him, Like
I'm telling you, Swiss been that guy for you to
go away? I think you know a nigga, just see
what I be on, Like I don't really living then,
Like after the third person caught me, I'm like man,
this is a third person talking or I just went.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
On and guy in the class, what do you learn
from it?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like, I.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Already know how to do the basis of a business.
It's just like us. You know what I'm saying. It's
it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
But I learned the exact details and exact terminology and
the exact ways to go about getting a loan or
starting to invest me a pool, Like I know how
to do all that, but I learned the technical way.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And I thought that you uh, you invested in a network?
Was the moovar or network?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
That's something like one of my friends and stuff to
create it, and I just invested with them.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm with everybody trying shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
How many investments you got right now? I know you're
own a lot of property.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I can't even tell you. I try to invest more
than that, speen. You know what I'm saying. That's what
I be on.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Like if they say, when you talk about having a
long music career, do you really need to have a
long music career?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Have you to do it right?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Nah? I know people who live way better than our
most musicians.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You know what I'm saying, you sh do you want
to have a long music career?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Now? My goal?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Your goal always to be Michael Jackson, go out till
you die, you know what I'm saying. But I for
the life, expect to see other rap career and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I always know it ain't that long for me. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't even think I wanted to be that long
unless I was like Michael Jackson, though, you know what
I'm saying. Why it's like you just got to do
your shit.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You know what I'm saying about About five years ago,
you said your ultimate goal is to make sure your
son and any other kids didn't have to grow up
the way.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You grew up. Do you believe you met that goal already.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Here and now?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Because we're still growing, you know what I'm saying, Still
every day cycle should I be saying? And should I
be on? Be on some twenty years from that shit?
Not like coming back into years and ask me. It's
like it's gonna take twenty years this ship.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And I know you are a private person, but when
you got people around you close to you, like the
mother of your child, She's a public figure. A lot
of times parts of your life come online because of her.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Does that ever bother you?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, and be a part of like you know, I
take it good with it bad and ship. You know
what I'm saying, Like we don't really be now you
can do it about it.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't try to put you much energy into it.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Then to pish you off when you see the internet
like the end that be making comments about your children.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know what I'm saying. But I can't go ahead
and come in on every coming though, you know what
I'm saying. I just had to do what I gotta
do behind the scenes. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And what is that? What does that look like? Behind
the scenes?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like telling them like, man, stop posting my family all
the time, and I.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Say ship like that, okay, this talk to my children
really because my children old enough to come ahead and
sit you know what I'm saying, So I talk to them,
M what.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Do you do you want for yourself?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
In twenty twenty five and this WAM album drops, what
do you hope it does?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I'm trying to drop Wham album.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Then a couple more months the album, then I got
like two other situations lined up. I got my whole
twenty twenty five prepared playing out.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Though so so being away these past couple of years,
you just you knew what you wanted to do when
you came back.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
For sure, I just knew I had knew the point
I needed to get to to do what I needed
to do.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
WAM is WAM gonna be like the Discreet album? Or
is just gonna be this good music?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It's like, I don't know the Street album and the
Street saying the same, you know what I'm saying. I
just like I'm one like real music and like street music,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Because the Screech they changed, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
How does Atlanta feel now like when you see things
like you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
With Dog or Yeah, that are totally different from what
they he saying, dramastic change, you know what I'm saying.
But I am thirty now, you know what I'm saying.
It's our generation nice, a whole new generation.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Do you even still like being there? Because it was weird? Right,
It was a weird period. When Thug went away.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
It felt like they was trying to put targets on
everybody like they was opening bad happened to you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's what that's that's like the narrative, that's what that
what that's what the fuck you're mentioned of, you know
what I'm saying. Imagine not doing nothing. You know you
don't do nothing, but its just that's the type of
shit you got to see and the ship you got
to live through that shit. It really fucked you up
and strong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And you have a wonder like why y'all, why why
do y'all want something that?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I mean, I just understand people. You know what I'm saying.
I know it just this shit come with a territory.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So does never make you just want to get the
money and just disappeared it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
All the way out the way they had a thousand percent?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Do you do you think shit like when they see
pictures like Michael Rubin and you know he's a friendly dude,
you like the hug and shit like that when they
see you hugged Michael Ruben hugging you, you think.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
That Michael, like, we were never hugging me. You know
what I'm saying. I was tapping coolsman up and might
happy to see me. He ran over there. We started
like wrestling, like touching it and that picture like like Mike,
one of my real good friends, were in the party
with God damn, two three hundred people. It's now weird.
It could go on all these people in mix.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You know what I'm saying. But I ain't gonna get
on the internet and go back and forth like I
told him, Man, that's a crazy looking picture.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But what it is, so when you see stuff like that,
you don't even want to comment. You just like let
people talk.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I ain't trying to exprame my point and all that,
and you look like you're lying. I ain't with all that.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what I'm saying, what's the best investment he
put you on?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Because when I spoke to them one time and he
said this publicly, he gave me the like the largest
investment he ever got, a borrowy he got back in
his life.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, we don't really got nobody else's gonna give us
them time investments, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know, like people will.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Be like, well, you know, I ain't with the white
boys and all that, but well the black man that
who's gonna help a nigga out?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And you know colored thing me is like, this shit
be for us. You know what I'm saying, I don't
even know white people. Anything I learned I'm gonna help.
I don'tly get better than my people. You know what
I'm saying, No matter where I learned it from or
where I gotta get it from. You know what I'm saying.
And that and the fact that might actually understand it,
that's gonna make us have a bun. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He give you the information for free, free just because
you fuck with you.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Just simple simple shit. They think niggas already know. We
don't even be knowing that ship though.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
You know what I'm saying, what's what's what's your end goal?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Don't got an endgo never stop?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And I might got endgoals, but the majority of it
is never stop. Some mighty got an endo with this,
So I ain't go with this, but I'm never gonna stop.
Like just end hear and keep going somewhere else. You
know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Mean, just never stop as far as just building business,
just whatever.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
You know what I'm saying, Whatever is gonna be, it's
gonna be farming. I'm gonna be doing it every day.
You know what I'm saying, like, just never stop.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Did you imagine your life at thirty, like when you
when you were younger and you was like in the
streets gambling like the little baby that the old dad.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
You can't we can't even you know, you know one
day I'm gonna be thirty. But you can't imagine because
you don't really know what it is. It's like shit,
you gotta go through. But like far as saying like
I don't wanna be thirty one day like here, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So you okay, that's good. So you never saw yourself
not not seeing thirty. Nah, okay, because you know you
got some people.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
My plan I always been to be here. Ship you
ain't trying to do nothing out of ordinary not.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Be here, especially now that you got kids.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You want you want to kids for all time now.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, you want to see your grandkids everything.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
So Dominique albums that gonna drop the summer.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Maybe like three four months after, well.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is it done?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Already done? But you know, like you're still in the
recording process.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I'm saying, if I had it, if I wanted to
drop to them today, I could you know what I mean,
in the midst of it, the way I'm being, I
still gonna like work on little shit and some trick.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Does it feel like you're able to be more vulnerable
in your music or are or on interviews or do
you feel like you might write a book or whether
the documentary like what it what? What do you think
makes you be able to express yourself the most?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
It's just me forcing myself to express myself. They can't
I say anything you say, but I just ain't gonna
do it like now, I just like just answer it,
you know what I'm saying, Like, try to make it
more fun, giving people a different insight on you, and shit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I just feel like that's your disposition though, like you've
always been. You always been like that, Like I remember
the first time when people brought you to Breakfast club
years ago. You just always move like that. So it's
so so forcing you to do it. I don't know
if that's.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Possible, and nobody can't force me to do it. Just
I'm gonna be gradually, do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So when they come to you and say, man, you
gotta make this kind of song, you gotta make that
kind of song.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Nobody never came here and nothing like that, or.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
This is it's just you.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You gotta make this kind of sith. I don't got that.
I ain't never had that.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So if you feel it, then you'll you'll go out
there and do it. That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You have been affirming for me.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I don't got a ten person camp who build a song,
and this is it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's just been like authentic for me.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
You know what I'm saying, Well, man, baby, keep doing
your thing. Brother, you know, appreciate hoo harder than me.
This is like the fourth fourth tape in that series, right, yeah,
so just the last one.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's the last one.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Nah, you know, it's just something that's there or I'm saying,
absolutely sure you brother, thank you yourself.
Gee say why.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, ready, little baby, you doing how you're doing?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Brother? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Man, man, congratulations, you just turned thirty a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Man, ge't up now you feel like the old head.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now for sure?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
What you think? What's what's the difference between turning thirty
and you know, growing up in your twenties.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
It's crazy that might seem like it, but even when
you twenty nine, you don't feel like the same thirty.
It's just something about when you turn in thirty looking
like a steep hill, you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Feel like you got more responsibility.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now you know, I got the same responsibilities I been had.
It's just like, it's just something about the twenties kind
of give you a little leeway or seem like when
you turn thirty, ain't them on leeway?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What do you think made you grow up faster? The
streets of the industry?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I had to say both, you know what I'm saying
his own way. You know what I'm saying the instrument.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Me grow up faster like in like real world, but
I had to still grow up faster in the streets,
you know what I'm saying, being young kid doing grown
man stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So it's like both parts.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
What's manhood looked like to you at this point in
your life, manhood and leadership, because that's one thing I
loved about your documentary. It was like, Yo, you could
tell you as a leader from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Man to me, now it's like own this stuff for
working tours on it to make sure like you and
your family cold ever trying to make sure your family
good fail.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Is it true that your father left when you were
just two years old?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, sounding like I ain't gonna say left my mama.
I left single parent, you know what I'm saying. I
know my dad signed the family well, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But it was just your mom and your two sisters. Yeah,
so you were kind of required to be the man
of the house early.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Right, something aspens. But like you're saying, like you grow
up fast though, you know what I'm saying. So even
when you do see stuff that you aren't used to,
you gotta like get with it quick.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
How does how does that experience impact the way you
show up as a father?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I Number one, I don't want my kids to live
a life out live no sorter kind of way, you know,
and they won't you kind of life I live?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Does the being a celebrity make it hard for you
to be your hands on father.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Definitely, I can't be there as much as I want
to be, you know what I'm saying. We can't do
like the regular stuff. And normally we still try to
do like regular shiit what normal people do. But life,
for the most part, I'm always gone, you know what
I'm saying. If I do see them, it's for a
couple of days. They just not really getting settled. Then
they gotta go again. So it's definitely a So I
advise people to just wait.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You say you're vig.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I advise people to wait. And you got like a
career like mine, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
To have kids? Yeah, work, Yeah, how long would you wait?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Even if thirty is you know what I'm saying, And
like get through your twenty kind of go through that
lifestyle and kind of get away from all that so
you don't even gotta do it later on, you know
what I'm saying, Like get it out of your system.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How strong is that to have a I mean, how
good is it to have a real strong support system,
like you know, to have the right mother, your children
and all of that I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Everything to me, definitely, because you know what I'm saying,
take a vantage to raise a family, you know what
I'm saying, or a kid, so everybody him put matters.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, it took me.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I was I was talking to p earlier man, and
I was saying that I feel like the Internet wants
you to fall off so bad. It just seemed like overnight,
little they had a little baby fell off campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Where do you think that came from?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't ein't care really I'll be saying ship like that,
but I was like where it came from?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And I don't mean that's how I get by, you know,
I don't even get in and shit like that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, I feel like they don't want you to grow.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I feel like, you know, after the bigger picture, everybody
saw a little baby in a different light and they
wanted they wanted more that, but then they wanted you
to do the screen shit too.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, It's like it's like giving a tape. You know
what I'm saying to the point where I kind of
understand it. And what I mean by that is like
I ain't like I really didn't ever take them with
me to transition, you know, what I'm saying, So like
a transition, I don't expect certain people to certain fans
catch up to it, like you know, sometimes you gotta
(04:23):
like dumb it down.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
How do you take them through the transition though? Do
you do it through like interviews? Do you do it
through music?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's the part I'm learning right now?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I'm trying
to that's just giving it being experience, you know what
I'm saying, because of course, whatever I'm doing it, as
i'm doing it, I know what i'm doing.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I know I'm changing.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But if I just drop a song or if I
just do something, you don't know what I done went through.
You don't know the changes, So I can't even expect
you to be up to speed or like what I'm on.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So how to start looking edit from that aspect.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The tricky shit about that though, is if they want
you to be in the street, but then when you
crash out they call you stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, so I ain't gonna get so I always know
I wasn't gonna get up and get caught up in that.
I'd rather sit it out or I got damned be
involved in that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I saw you post.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You posted that the last couple of years, you've been
struggling life wise, maybe even mentally so, so where you
at now.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm in a better state, but like still and then
when I say stuff like that, well I don't even
usually say stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I mean, like far as like that type of shit,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's like a big transition in your head for you
to go from like where I went to like where
I'm trying to go.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And it was like a turning point in the last
two years.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
From being this nigga from the streets or whatever to
trying to you know what I'm saying, actually go the
right path, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So that's like a real mind boggling thing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Was it a was it a dollar amount you saw?
Was it the the company you was keeping?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
What made you realize like I got that A vivoting
a little bit of everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Even just always like even when I was doing shit,
I always live like I don't got none to lose,
Like now I got so much to lose.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's not the same, Well what you've been going through though, Like,
like what have you been going through that made you
kind of like just fall back a little.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Bit saying everything like people like get in trouble around you.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You start seeing people don't really love you for real,
or people might be just coming and do the craziest
things to get a few dollars at you. You starting
to like at first when you when you're first going
through it, it's all new, so it's like a bird
to you. Then you kind of start catching on and
then after a while you're like, damn, I see what's
really going on?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is this why we haven't gotten a lot of music
out of you over the last few years?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Definitely because I rap about like I ain't really no writer,
you know, I finished out, so it's like all in
my head, you know what I'm saying. So in my head,
I ain't in a missal space, right, missr space. I
ain't gonna beat like just rap man, do.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You feel like music? You're vulnerable enough? That's one of
the critiques I hear.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I's not learning with that all that shit. Mean, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
From the way I've been explained, maybe not, you know,
what I'm saying, I can understand why that was more
what I was just saying, like, if you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Don't take them on the journey, they kind of be
kind of lost a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
They don't even really know the aspect of you saying
something doing something.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because when I talk to people, they tell me that
they want to hear more pain in Little Babies music,
And it sounds like behind the scenes, you going through
that just not putting it into music.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Because I had to learn how to like translate when
I'm actually going through into the music. You know what
I'm saying, when it goddamn music. The reason why they
even going through this.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Shit, they want to hear more emotionally scarred shit like that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, all those records hard for you to make.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's super easy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You just don't want to expose yourself in certain way,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and not that I don't want to it, just
I'm accustomed to not doing it. So that's like, you know,
you're getting your feelings every now and then. They gangs
just always, and they feelings, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You think that's like the protective instinct that you just
carry with yourself from being in the street like if
you show too much of yourself, you might be food
to people.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what wolves come.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Up for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But you are artists now though, so it's a balance
of yes.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So it's like that's the transition of the mental state
I had to go through to get that program there reprogrammed.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think after Bigger Picture, people expected you to evolve
into a more mature artist and just make music that
reflected like more of the pain you may be feeling.
Is that what you were looking to do with five
AM and Insecurities?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Anah, I'm looking to do that with like dombin Et album, right, Okay,
I'm dropping the album first call, like wo wow. That's
kind of like trying to lead them up into that
versus just like jumping into it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
What is wayn I'm gonna be more freet music or yes,
in a sense, but I still put like some of
the songs they we're going to Dominie album on whim
because I ain't want them to just wait for long.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And I know, like you're saying, I gotta court audience
for like those emotionally scaring tight songs, those paying tight songs.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So Dominique is gonna be like personal like yeah, more personal?
Does that scare you?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Not? No more?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But like that's the part of the two years what
I've been going through and shit like that, you know
what I'm saying. So I already they kind of went
through the scary part.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You say on one of the records. Now you say,
can't be vulnerable. Who I'm going to talk to when
I'm going through it?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can afford therapy, little baby, all that money you making.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I ain't a firm believer in therapy. Okay, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Have you tried it though?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah? I mean I haven't tried it personally, but in
a since I have. You know what I'm saying. I
got people who I talk to, you know what I'm saying,
who will play as a therapist.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But I feel like everybody like regular people, So it
ain't too much a therapist can real they do for
you and just like have an open ear. But you
being like a celebrity and all that, it get weird,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, Like who does the go to God go to?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, So that's why I never always been like I
ain't saying I'm gonna getst everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't even cross my mind though, who do.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You talk to.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Certain people about certain stuff? You know what I'm saying,
Like I know I can talk to him about this,
I can talk to her about this like certain people
certain stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Another line, you say, how you manage to get everything
you wanted but still ain't happy?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right because it's like the more money, more problems. You
know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So it's like you think, once you get everything all this,
you'll be like happy boy, here go something else. But
it's a part of learning how life goes. You know
what I'm saying, ain't gonna never stop?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Are you happy now?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It ain't happy as I want to be? But I'm
in a state though. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What makes little baby happy at this point.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Is that's how I know I ain't happens I want
to because I don't know damn. I mean your kids, yeah,
definitely like joyful for them.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know what I'm saying, is all of this what
you thought it was gonna be, like just the success
that you was.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I ain't never know what it could be, so I
ain't thinking nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying, like, I ain't never had
a imagination for it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So you never dreamed of this at all.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when you was in the street and then you
started rapping, you even just looking around Atlanta and looking
at all the successful.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Artists, I know what like big was, but I ain't
know how like what really big was? You know, I
ain't really never know nothing about the real music industry,
And like I couldn't think I could get be worth
when I'm worth now reached the levels out I ain't
even know that really existed. I ain't know nothing about
platinum and gold and album seals and.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Being the new thing streams, and I ain't never know
nothing about it.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So even me saying like I know I was gonna
be big, I couldn't even I wouldn't even know what
that was to even think that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, what do you think it is about Atlanta that
makes like dudes from the street become like these international superstars,
Like what is it about Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Fael?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Like, you know, hip hop was already like based off
in the streets and all started from like the streets,
So it's just a land as one of those street
places the same way where they're everywhere you know what
I'm saying. But I just feel like the swag and
the tone there and Land got making more successful then
a lot of other places.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
What don't you like about the game?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They shoot them up bin bin everywhere and everybody. Shit,
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You feel like you always gotta watch you back.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
No, no, just it's just creates a target on everybody,
you know what I'm saying. And that ain't what we're
supposed to be in it for. Well, I ain't. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I forgot what record it was, but you said you
got all of this it's basically PTSD from all of
the all of the shootouts and stuff that you've been
Did you think that once you got into the industry
like that would kind of go away, like you kind
of escaped that.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, But it's because it's like that's what I was
telling people. You put yourself on a bigger scale now
that you're in the industry.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I ain't even have problems when I four hours a rapper.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
The more you get bigger than you get bigger than everybody, though,
not just the fans, not just the girls, not just
the kids, everybody included.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Was it a hard transition for you? Are they are
there still?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm like almost all the ways. I didn't transition all
the way. Like I would never leave Atlanta, you know
what I'm saying. I live in another state, so I
didn't transition all the way. But it's still at times
where you know what I'm saying, it's like they'll fuck
with you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Where'd you get the name wham? I know I stand
for hoo harder than me, But where'd you get.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
That name from from?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Like when wam bitch on the baby? Okay, one of
my guys just started calling me wham and everybody started
calling me whim.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I saw Doug said. Doug said, what what wham says? Goals?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Then you put it up on Billboard? What did that
post mean to you?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Did you speak the Doug a lot when you got
locked up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
His dad.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
His dad said that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
He got at you once for not going to thugs
court dates. Her dad say anything, that's how you felt
about that?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
What's what's the relationship with you? With you and thug?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Now I know he's on the new album their relationship,
say relationship with man?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know what I'm saying, is it hard to make
music because he's under so much scrutiny And I know
the lawyer is probably looking at.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
He's super talented, you know what I'm saying. So really
like he doing with ease?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Mhm? When when? When?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
When he said? What William says goals? What did what
did you say? Or what did you want to say?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And when? Like literally that you know what I'm saying.
It's like a inside.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What's the relationship with you and Gunner right now?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I've got no relationship? Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The internet says the and then that says you can't
you can't make hits without dinner. So do you think
y'all ever make music again?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Any there? Say anything? I mean it hits I got
absolutely So that don't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know how much you pay attention to that tonight?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Man, Like I only see what I gotta see, you
know what I'm saying, And I try my basics just
keep going ship like that. I don't feed into that
comments and all that some shit just be the headline.
You gotta see it, you know, what I'm saying. For
the most part, I don't even get answer shit like that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I know, I know Thug says what Wayam says goes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But if Thug says, hey, I'm gonna get in the studio,
I'm gonna max some music with Gonna Baby, I want
you to participate, would you?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't see that happen.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm just saying like I don't want you to participate.
I don't know what nobody else will do. You know
what I'm saying. But but just as far as me.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You dropped the three fifty record and you said I
ain't never saying nothing about it. Nigga, you know you
was a rat and everybody thought you was talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But everybody's just the Internet where they're gonna create. I
talk about Rat, say every song I had since I
started rapping. So now you know, be like they just
created a narrative and go, I don't even be telling
about it soever a rat?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know what I'm saying, what's your relationship with you? See?
Because I know you just started your own label.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I started my own label, but I ain't signed on
my own label. You know what I'm saying, like I'm
still signing you.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
See, so you still the soldier with QC, the general
with was a glass windows.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You changed your name from from four PF. Wh why
do you change the type change the name.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Ain't changed your name, it's just a whole new company.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, so four PF still still exists.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What was your reaction when you heard Kendrick mention you
and not like us? He said a little baby helped
you get your lingo up and reference to Drake. What
do you think when you heard that?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I ain't really like that side of him.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So, you know, but you and Drake always had a
good relationship, helps.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You a lot great relationship. Yeah, so you know you're
kind of like it's just with any situation, like you
and him was arguing of hell you're gonna say, but
you know, like, don't bring you in it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I don't want be having nothing to do with it.
I got it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'll be having not saying whatever they got going on
there really now, but I'll be like I feel like,
to me, like rapping ship be my work. You know
what I'm saying. It's like I don't I don't want
that type of shit that work you know what I'm saying.
That's what like even you saying, like what's your relationship
with Gunna?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I ain't.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I ain't here it. I ain't in it for that
type of ship. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
on that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I bought that up just just just because of the
music music aspect of it, because you know people y'all,
y'all made hits together, and some people want that to
get right, So you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
One thing I loved about your documentary, man, is it
just shows you know how much you mean to this,
to the city city of Atlanta. So when you have
a city that loves you that much, do you ever
feel like you can just completely completely let let it
go like the street, the street aspect of it, because
you can't.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can't be that person no more.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's just like just different aspects of it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I still be that personal donate millions to the neighborhood,
you know what I'm saying. But that don't mean I
gotta be hanging in the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like I'm still feeding the streets one way
or other. You know what I'm saying, It's just I
got a different way of going about it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Now, do you think it's a culture shock when they
see you like out with the Michael Rubens of the world.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, for sure it's a culture shop.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
But that's more like me very vulnerable, Like you can't
even imagine that type of shit beyond you know what
I'm saying, I don't just hang with people. I ain't
one of them. As you got this city, I'm a
whole man, you know what I'm saying. He actually get
a nigga game. Ren had like real conversations. You can
like talk to somebody on a high level about like
questions that when don't be knowing you know what I'm saying,
they be knowing that shit.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
And I think what the streets don't understand is when
you got relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
The streets saying the Internet ain't the same. So you
you're saying with the Internet saying they ain't the streets.
You know what I'm saying, I'm two different things.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That is that's that is very true.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That is very true.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But so what the Internet don't understand is when you
around people like that, you getting gained, probably getting more money,
and that you're able to get back to the streets
even more.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Turning all the rest of the niggas onto it, like, look,
this is how we do it. That's right, you know
what I'm saying. But I understand that like the internet
want to know their in I also don't break it
down for.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Them to know that either. You know what I'm saying,
So I take it with the grant it's hot, like
I can.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I can see why they'll say that because I already
know I have to dumb it all the way down
for them even understand. You gotta be a cold motherfucker
to keep the ship I be doing. You know what
I'm saying on the on it just as far as
the naked, I ain't telling you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I don't understand why they just don't. They don't respect actions,
you know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Don't see it, you know you gotta do down. You
gotta say it what it is, and you don't do
that directly. They go it whatever they see directly.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Do you do you feel like you gotta tell them
every single thing you do.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
For the hood, Like, hey, I don't even tell them
I do the most or the most the most most.
I don't got a PRBI team behind it, no nothing,
no never, I really the most millions a year.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
How do you?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
How do you handle raising a son and cole parenting
with somebody who's also a public figure.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's kind of hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Definitely, because it's like you always be attached to that person,
you know what I'm saying, even if even it's just
in today's time. The other person don't even have to
be in the line like they gonna automatically be if
I had a child with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So that's like something I'm gonna have to battle no
matter what.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
In a sense, How how you been able to keep
your personal life private?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I just don't go on the Internet about it.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
It's like easy to me, like I don't even need
like cause I don't look at the internet as like
my fans and I look at the internet like the
whole world. It's like certain shot, I'm just not gonna
voluntarily tell the whole world for nothing, or like I
can't get validation from like come in saying that type
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't function like that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You do realize though, the Internet just be fucking with
you because you're successful.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, I don't get into it, you know what I'm saying,
because you know you can't be Then they'll say it's
Scott Green and many keep coming hard day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's right. So I am don't ready to get in
the missing.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because it will fuck you up mentally definite.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
They'll say one thing on the internet, but then you
go and perform in front of thirty thousand people and
everybody's singing your music word for word.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So who's supposed to listen.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
To That's the That's the only thing. You gotta know
what the weave in, what the weave out. Sometimes the
comments could be correct, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes
sit people be saying could be correct, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So you gotta kind of go for what you feel.
Get you a team around who can help you in
those aspects. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What do you feel right now? You should be doing
in the studio, just musically, like if you didn't have
to listen to nobody, you know, not the screeze, not
the internet, just what a.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Little baby now?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Okay, nobody and I still listen to what people got
to say, Yes to see what they say, you know
what I'm saying. But once you're listening and you get
ten different opinions from ten different people.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's like you throw away it got your here, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
The more successful you got, do you feel like you
got a greater sense of responsibility?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Definitely?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Do you feel feel feel pressure to just release music
because of the high demand that people have for a
little baby They always they always want a little new,
little baby music.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's like a good problem have feeling no pressure though.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But then when you take a couple of years off,
that's when they started. Oh he fell off, he fell off,
he fell off.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
That's how I really go about it life, total honesty.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You said that in the I could in a minute.
You said, blood, sweat, and tears come with each check.
It ain't nowhere easy. So what's been the hardest part
of your career so far?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Share everything from just starting this career.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I jump into her career kind of like big you
know what I'm saying, So I had to adapt from
behind It ain't like I grind it for five years
then got to hit.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know what I'm saying, I grounded five days and
gotta hit. So now I got adjestion.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
God damn, this whole new lifestyle shit, I really know
nothing about.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Do you talk about just like as far as being.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Both union, that's god damn.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I already had a lifestyle of like having money, so
that was the only good thing with just period. People
knowing you, people taking picsures of you. You know, you
can't go to this player public like you hear yourself,
you seeing yourself everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Like
it's a super big, rastic change.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But now it's business.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's I guess that's what you're trying to show people
like I'm doing business now.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Really I was doing business the whole time.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And I love for my famis we relate to it,
but it's still the business aspect.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I wonder they would even understand.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They wouldn't. That's why I don't trying to press it
too hard. I understand that they would.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know what I'm saying, is there certain things you
want them to know them, like as far as your
business is concerned, Like I really want y'all to know
I'm doing this, and if y'all knew what I was doing,
y'a would understand what.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I always tell the guys and shit because they want
me to. They always want me to like clear this
up or like he'll know I say this. I feel
like when a day right for them to know, they
gonna know, and then I'm still gonna look like the
bitch in the word, Like damn the whole time, you
could have easily just told us, you know what I'm saying,
where I rather just when day you're gonna see it
is inevitable.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Who are your OG's in the game right now? Like
like what's what's some of the most important lessons.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You learned from them?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Like like in the game on any level, just any
o g's around you, whether it could be P Michael Ruber,
I keep.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I keep ogs, Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like
I ain't never That's how my name I got a
little baby name from being a little boy hanging and
all the grown man.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
So I got five or ten people call my phone
every day from old niggas who are own hundred men
already from real the state, never been nowhere on the scene.
Niggas who rap games, Swiss beats. You know what I'm saying,
Like I'm always having open here. You know what I'm saying,
I want to listen. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I like having a big home on somebody who I
can call it get the game from. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do they understand because I mean it's it's you're still
your little baby the artist, or you might have ojis
who do things business wise?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Do they understand what you're going through as a artist?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Who are the people that you talk through from that
perspective perspect I.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Don't really talk to nobody like that because I don't
really know nobody. But you know, people like Young Thug.
You know what I'm saying that like I can talk
to him about stuff like that, cause I ain't really
even cool with rappers to even really just talk to
a nigga.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean you and Thug go back.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We saw that in the documentary how He's He would
pay you to stay out the street because he just
believed in you?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Did he believe in what? Did he believe in you?
As a rap fel just a person?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like you believe it, just a person if I was
gonna rap me and that's like just the whole everything,
because it wasn't even more so like songs because at
like you hurt me rap no other.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Time rap two three songs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So it can't be like b your bar's immaculate. You
gotta be like what you're seeing me as a person.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
How did that that time influence not just the way
you you saw a thug, but the way you saw yourself?
Because when people see things in you that that you
don't normally see in yourself, like you just start showing
up for yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Different Definitely if you get a little bit for you
invest shot and feed off of.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It, and that one he's one of the closest people to.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You know you credited a long conversation with with Little
Marlow Rest in Peace for being the turning point that
made you take rap serious.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So so how did that impact you?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Not take rap serious? Rap period? This rap period? You
know what I'm saying, Like I get to go to
the studio. You're like, man, we need to make a song.
You know what I'm saying, Man, a song.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The fact that he believed in you?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Does that remain one of the driving forces and what
keeps you even going now?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like and now it's so much give me driving forces,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It's like I had to devote my whole life to
this now because it's like I can't go back to
being a regular person no matter what, you know what
I'm saying, Even if I was a regular, I still
want to be a regular person. So that's the drive
right there, you know what I'm saying. And like I
always want to leave a legacy, like I don't want
to never.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Be a used to be, a could have been. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
People don't talk about that enough.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
They don't talk about how like you know, when you
got people that believe in you in a real way,
whether it's Doug, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's a whole lot, Yeah, that makes a big difference
and everything you gotta just be music. When you got
people who believe it you a little a little dry.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Who do you believe in right now? Because you got
your your label who do you believe in?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You see?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Do you see like one of them next super starts
coming from Atlanta under you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, definitely. I ain't from I ain't from Alabama. I
definitely seeing in them. I got a new Their artist
ain't new.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
But what I see in them might not be with
everybody else seeing them though.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know what I'm saying, How.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Do you how do you still let them grow as
artists even though you are on a different level because
you're seeing things that they haven't seen or or may
not see.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They may not have the success you have.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So how do you just let them be them and
not put too much pressure on them?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
They I don't got no pressure on them or whatever
y'all want to do.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Okay, I still just explaining y'all how I did it though,
because I because I shot up fast, but I took
all the steps too.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I just did it fast, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So like I had to go through everything they going
through already, so I can tell them, man, try to
for them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Do you feel like you put too much pressure on
yourself this as far as who you are, not even
this little baby as far as its being dominique, like
probably taking care of like people.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
In your hood, you know, because I'm as shit like
I ain't never scared to say no, you know what
I'm saying. I know when I can say, you know
what I'm saying, it's like I don't put myself in
that position where it's like I'm sketched out trying to
do for everybody else. Like maybe back in the day
I might have would have been, but like at this point,
my kids and they had my height.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know what I'm saying. Fucking nigga, What was the program.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You enrolled in at Harvard Business School?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Uh? A business class called Launch and Invents.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What made you want to do that?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Swhere?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah? Swiss and kids?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
What they told you?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What did they tell you that made you want to
do it?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Swiss had already been telling me to do it for
about a year and two or three more people told
me like they don't even know I know him, Like
I'm telling you, Swiss been that guy for you to
go away? I think you know a nigga, just see
what I be on, Like I don't really living then,
Like after the third person caught me, I'm like man,
this is a third person talking or I just went.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
On and guy in the class, what do you learn
from it?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like, I.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Already know how to do the basis of a business.
It's just like us. You know what I'm saying. It's
it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
But I learned the exact details and exact terminology and
the exact ways to go about getting a loan or
starting to invest me a pool, Like I know how
to do all that, but I learned the technical way.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And I thought that you uh, you invested in a network?
Was the moovar or network?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
That's something like one of my friends and stuff to
create it, and I just invested with them.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm with everybody trying shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
How many investments you got right now? I know you're
own a lot of property.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I can't even tell you. I try to invest more
than that, speen. You know what I'm saying. That's what
I be on.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Like if they say, when you talk about having a
long music career, do you really need to have a
long music career?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Have you to do it right?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Nah? I know people who live way better than our
most musicians.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You know what I'm saying, you sh do you want
to have a long music career?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Now? My goal?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Your goal always to be Michael Jackson, go out till
you die, you know what I'm saying. But I for
the life, expect to see other rap career and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I always know it ain't that long for me. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't even think I wanted to be that long
unless I was like Michael Jackson, though, you know what
I'm saying. Why it's like you just got to do
your shit.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You know what I'm saying about About five years ago,
you said your ultimate goal is to make sure your
son and any other kids didn't have to grow up
the way.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You grew up. Do you believe you met that goal already.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Here and now?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Because we're still growing, you know what I'm saying, Still
every day cycle should I be saying? And should I
be on? Be on some twenty years from that shit?
Not like coming back into years and ask me. It's
like it's gonna take twenty years this ship.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And I know you are a private person, but when
you got people around you close to you, like the
mother of your child, She's a public figure. A lot
of times parts of your life come online because of her.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Does that ever bother you?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, and be a part of like you know, I
take it good with it bad and ship. You know
what I'm saying, Like we don't really be now you
can do it about it.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't try to put you much energy into it.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Then to pish you off when you see the internet
like the end that be making comments about your children.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know what I'm saying. But I can't go ahead
and come in on every coming though, you know what
I'm saying. I just had to do what I gotta
do behind the scenes. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And what is that? What does that look like? Behind
the scenes?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like telling them like, man, stop posting my family all
the time, and I.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Say ship like that, okay, this talk to my children
really because my children old enough to come ahead and
sit you know what I'm saying, So I talk to them,
M what.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Do you do you want for yourself?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
In twenty twenty five and this WAM album drops, what
do you hope it does?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I'm trying to drop Wham album.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Then a couple more months the album, then I got
like two other situations lined up. I got my whole
twenty twenty five prepared playing out.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Though so so being away these past couple of years,
you just you knew what you wanted to do when
you came back.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
For sure, I just knew I had knew the point
I needed to get to to do what I needed
to do.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
WAM is WAM gonna be like the Discreet album? Or
is just gonna be this good music?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It's like, I don't know the Street album and the
Street saying the same, you know what I'm saying. I
just like I'm one like real music and like street music,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Because the Screech they changed, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
How does Atlanta feel now like when you see things
like you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
With Dog or Yeah, that are totally different from what
they he saying, dramastic change, you know what I'm saying.
But I am thirty now, you know what I'm saying.
It's our generation nice, a whole new generation.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Do you even still like being there? Because it was weird? Right,
It was a weird period. When Thug went away.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
It felt like they was trying to put targets on
everybody like they was opening bad happened to you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's what that's that's like the narrative, that's what that
what that's what the fuck you're mentioned of, you know
what I'm saying. Imagine not doing nothing. You know you
don't do nothing, but its just that's the type of
shit you got to see and the ship you got
to live through that shit. It really fucked you up
and strong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And you have a wonder like why y'all, why why
do y'all want something that?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I mean, I just understand people. You know what I'm saying.
I know it just this shit come with a territory.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So does never make you just want to get the
money and just disappeared it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
All the way out the way they had a thousand percent?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Do you do you think shit like when they see
pictures like Michael Rubin and you know he's a friendly dude,
you like the hug and shit like that when they
see you hugged Michael Ruben hugging you, you think.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
That Michael, like, we were never hugging me. You know
what I'm saying. I was tapping coolsman up and might
happy to see me. He ran over there. We started
like wrestling, like touching it and that picture like like Mike,
one of my real good friends, were in the party
with God damn, two three hundred people. It's now weird.
It could go on all these people in mix.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You know what I'm saying. But I ain't gonna get
on the internet and go back and forth like I
told him, Man, that's a crazy looking picture.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
But what it is, so when you see stuff like that,
you don't even want to comment. You just like let
people talk.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I ain't trying to exprame my point and all that,
and you look like you're lying. I ain't with all that.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what I'm saying, what's the best investment he
put you on?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Because when I spoke to them one time and he
said this publicly, he gave me the like the largest
investment he ever got, a borrowy he got back in
his life.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, we don't really got nobody else's gonna give us
them time investments, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know, like people will.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Be like, well, you know, I ain't with the white
boys and all that, but well the black man that
who's gonna help a nigga out?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And you know colored thing me is like, this shit
be for us. You know what I'm saying, I don't
even know white people. Anything I learned I'm gonna help.
I don'tly get better than my people. You know what
I'm saying, No matter where I learned it from or
where I gotta get it from. You know what I'm saying.
And that and the fact that might actually understand it,
that's gonna make us have a bun. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He give you the information for free, free just because
you fuck with you.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Just simple simple shit. They think niggas already know. We
don't even be knowing that ship though.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
You know what I'm saying, what's what's what's your end goal?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Don't got an endgo never stop?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And I might got endgoals, but the majority of it
is never stop. Some mighty got an endo with this,
So I ain't go with this, but I'm never gonna stop.
Like just end hear and keep going somewhere else. You
know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Mean, just never stop as far as just building business,
just whatever.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
You know what I'm saying, Whatever is gonna be, it's
gonna be farming. I'm gonna be doing it every day.
You know what I'm saying, like, just never stop.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Did you imagine your life at thirty, like when you
when you were younger and you was like in the
streets gambling like the little baby that the old dad.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
You can't we can't even you know, you know one
day I'm gonna be thirty. But you can't imagine because
you don't really know what it is. It's like shit,
you gotta go through. But like far as saying like
I don't wanna be thirty one day like here, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So you okay, that's good. So you never saw yourself
not not seeing thirty. Nah, okay, because you know you
got some people.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
My plan I always been to be here. Ship you
ain't trying to do nothing out of ordinary not.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Be here, especially now that you got kids.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You want you want to kids for all time now.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, you want to see your grandkids everything.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
So Dominique albums that gonna drop the summer.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Maybe like three four months after, well.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is it done?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Already done? But you know, like you're still in the
recording process.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I'm saying, if I had it, if I wanted to
drop to them today, I could you know what I mean,
in the midst of it, the way I'm being, I
still gonna like work on little shit and some trick.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Does it feel like you're able to be more vulnerable
in your music or are or on interviews or do
you feel like you might write a book or whether
the documentary like what it what? What do you think
makes you be able to express yourself the most?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
It's just me forcing myself to express myself. They can't
I say anything you say, but I just ain't gonna
do it like now, I just like just answer it,
you know what I'm saying, Like, try to make it
more fun, giving people a different insight on you, and shit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I just feel like that's your disposition though, like you've
always been. You always been like that, Like I remember
the first time when people brought you to Breakfast club
years ago. You just always move like that. So it's
so so forcing you to do it. I don't know
if that's.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Possible, and nobody can't force me to do it. Just
I'm gonna be gradually, do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So when they come to you and say, man, you
gotta make this kind of song, you gotta make that
kind of song.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Nobody never came here and nothing like that, or.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
This is it's just you.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You gotta make this kind of sith. I don't got that.
I ain't never had that.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So if you feel it, then you'll you'll go out
there and do it. That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You have been affirming for me.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I don't got a ten person camp who build a song,
and this is it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's just been like authentic for me.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
You know what I'm saying, Well, man, baby, keep doing
your thing. Brother, you know, appreciate hoo harder than me.
This is like the fourth fourth tape in that series, right, yeah,
so just the last one.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's the last one.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Nah, you know, it's just something that's there or I'm saying,
absolutely sure you brother, thank you yourself.
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