3094: Y'all Had Something To Say

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because
Rodin Karen Ahut.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey, welcome to another episode of the BLACKOUTILS podcast. I'm
your host, Rod joined us always with my co host,
and we're here to do a feedback show, Guys, feedback show.
That's where we talk about the things that you had
to say throughout the week, about the things we had
to say throughout the week. We did five episodes this week,
so we'll probably have a lot of feedback. We also
are experimenting with our Google Voice voicemail and got a

(00:33):
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of it. That's not the problem. Oh, I had it
set to go to my phone as a backup, and
so I was getting calls all over the night and
I was just like, who the fuck is calling me
at three in the morning, and then I realized, oh,
it's my fault, and so I turned that part off.
But I believe we have voicemails and we will find
out together as an audience, how good the system is

(00:56):
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(02:24):
you welcome to good folks who tied to the black tips.
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a Podcast. They came through and they blessed the coffers
with a little bit of money. No five star reviews. Okay,

(03:10):
we got zero of them since April thirtieth.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That means being and you know what, I too have
been cutting up, so people may have seen them. But
for some reason, y'all, we not getting the international one.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah. If they're international, we haven't seen them. Yeah, and
I don't know how to get them. I tried looking,
and it looks like we would have to have our
podcast hosted on Apple to see the international things. And
we can't do that because we're our heart right now. Yeah,
why would they require that? I don't know. You should
call them and find out after the show. Maybe talk
to Tim Apple. I don't have the answers for you,

(03:42):
no problem, but what we do have is your comments
for episode thirty eighty nine. You never know what the whites.
We got nine comments on this episode. It's gonna be
one of those weeks. I can see are says. If
a man could fight at gorilla and win, it would
be your current president. I've seen his health exams so impressive.

(04:02):
The gorilla wouldn't even have a chance. In fact, I
think he should fight the gorilla, even if it was
a little unfair to the animal. Do it please, Nel
says dang girl. I really thought I was gonna be
at you at the first comment. But you beat me.
Oh beat you the first comment. But you beat me
just as I was typing up my long ass comment. Yeah,
well she went short, you went long. That's what you

(04:22):
fucked up. I gotta be quicker. Nice try Nabs lost
by one minute. Damn about one minute. Nev says, I
recently had a very long flight with the layover, then
a one hour train ride home from the airport, and
decided to download an episode of The Blackout Tips for
the trip, and it was one about the Hookah Lounge
and the car dealership, and y'all had me literally laughing
out loud on planes and trains. God bless you, so

(04:45):
glad that you happened to be the one I doubt
that happened to be the one I downloaded for the journey. Yeah,
that was a very fun episode, and you know, I
enjoyed it a lot too. It wasn't as formatted as
some of the other stuff, but you know, I think
it was just a very fun story.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I went back and I re listened to it and
it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm in a hard meetup group in my area and
we all went to see Centers in Imax as our
monthly weekend movie, and it was a banger. We all
decided it's already the best horror movie at twenty twenty five,
even though it's only May. Honestly, Imax was worth it
just for the enhanced sound system because the music was
too damn good. Yeah. My dad is a big blues
and hard fan and has seen Buddy Guy live multiple times,

(05:27):
so I'm trying to get him to watch it. He'll
love it. Speaking of which, a Buddy Guy, Buddy Guy's
on tour later this year and come into a very
beautiful theater in Seattle, and I'm thinking about going. It's expensive,
but maybe I'll just get through those bleeds. Lots of
older people seem to love seeing him live still, so
one kind of want to see what the buzz is about.
Live music is always fun. The Sinners gave me a

(05:48):
better appreciation for the Blues.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, and I appreciate Sinners because Ryan Coogler did kind
of the same thing that people knocked them for this
but like and like some of these other people do
when they put a lot of people on and introduce
you two people that you may not have heard of
me as somebody who's not who don't really know a
lot about the Blues and things like that, or either

(06:11):
people that were fans were like, oh, so I can
guarantee you when he starts touring, the ticket sales are
going to go up in some places may have been
sold out just because of the connections to centers.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Uh yeah, I agree. I think you understand a lot
of people that you know, had their curiosity peak because
of this. And I think also the reputation and stuff
like that becomes like, oh, it's whitewash when people think
of the Blues now or they think of it as
white music, or they think of it as old, corny
music and not like the building blocks of rhythm and

(06:43):
blues and all the stuff that we appreciate today. But
that's what one of the things I liked about Centers
is that sometimes, like Centers Thunderbolts, like certain movies, there's
certain times where corniness is actually very powerful the cliche thing.
When it's just done earnestly and done well, you really
can't defeat it. So it doesn't matter that this music is,

(07:05):
you know, something that is old. If it is done well,
your audience will have no choice but to be like,
oh my god, I'm in awe of the talent I'm
seeing on screen right.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And you're like, he's like I was saying, it would be.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
For a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Like I said, I didn't even know he was torn
until you said something. So it's one of those things
where for a lot of people, they'll go, like I said,
they're gonna start checking them out and going and things
like that. And I know we're gonna be an experience
for people who probably have never seen blues live before.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Somebody like me, Yeah, I'm sure it will be. Let's
see Apia says, I'm sad you can't see it international.
Oh yeah, your podcast. I'm starting a conspiracy theory right now.
The radical right wants you to think we get a
world out this fantastic content, quality, entertainment and education, and
what do we get in return. Nothing? Only Americans give
us nice reviews. The other countries seem to be just

(07:54):
ungrateful and should say thank you more. The non American
world is ungrateful. We don't like it anymore. Maybe our
illustration is right after all. Luckily you are smart and
have smart listeners who figured it out, but other podcasts don't.
Sean says, I was finally able to re up my
review in Japan. iTunes didn't have an option to review
for almost a month. Yeah, And like I said, I
can't see it. So I'm not saying you got like

(08:15):
I believe you guys. I just literally there's nothing I
can do to see these Internet.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
They did im up an overhaul, and it's like, hey,
we're gonna kind of force people to do certain things
in order to see this, which is you know, it's stupid,
but you know they.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Could do what they want to do. Yeah, I mean,
maybe they did it to make people sign up for
Apple podcast as a host. You know, that's one way
of forcing people into like that ecosystem instead of you
hosting it on some third party platform. Maybe it's just
something I haven't figured out yet. I know they have
some third party platforms that I used to use that

(08:51):
could connect our stuff a little bit, you know, but
they stopped Charterable stop. Basically. I think it either got
boughted or just stopped working. So anyway, well, hopefully we'll
figure it out one day and we'll go back and
read all the international reviews that we missed. Sean says,
I'm abstaining from voting in the poll. The poe was,
did you watch Sinners? I'm so disappointed that I can't

(09:12):
watch it. Dang what running? Raphael says, dang what they
waiting for to release it in Japan? Yeah? Maybe it's
the tariffs. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
It might be you know, if that falling out about everything.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, maybe it's there was like y'all going up the
prices on Demon Wars, so so.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
We gonna stop sentence. Oh my god, ain't it ridiculous?
So I don't know, guys, I hope it works out.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That Demon was Demon slayter. Yeah, I hope it works
out or whatever, but yeah, that sucks, know what I'm saying.
Running Raphael says, finally, I could legally vote twice if
I wanted to hide this comment from the glp ops.
I've seen centers in regular then Imax. My goodness, it

(09:58):
was like I lost my virginity again. I'll never look
at directors to shoot movies in seventy milimeter sideways again.
I repent it of my ignoramis. Immediately I set foot
on the Imax joint. Gonna be seeing a few more
movies in that format now. I'm no longer a virgin.
Thank you Ryan Coogler for the deliverance through the Fire indeed.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, and the thing about Imax, he shot it in
true Imax, not no upraised Ibax, which makes a very
very big difference when you're shooting the only screens, like
when when you're seeing as an audience on these screens.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I could see that. I think there are certain
creators that really do put it into the IMAX format
and they and I think the people that don't really
do that but still greedily try to get the extra
money on the movie tickets so they put it in
Imax even though nothing's really changed, right. That sucks and

(10:54):
it has hurt the Imax brand. That's why I fuck
with James Cameron too, because I know it's gonna be real.
Christopher Nolan's why and now Ryan Coogler where it's like,
oh no, they want it means something when they put
their name on the Imax, it actually means something, right.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
A lot of other people be bullshit and then people
get doup few times and they don't want to see
the same thing with three D. How when three D
first came out, when people actually shot it in a
pure three D you kind of felt that tingle in
the back of your brain. Then I think it was
green wintered or something we saw when they had that
after three D yes and I think we had to

(11:33):
fire or something. And we came back in the movie theater,
I was like, hey, I can see this is just fine.
I was like, oh, y'all just gallup people out of
their money, right.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
So Eve said something I fail to mention in my
feedback that I don't see a lot of people talking about.
Is gorilla versus one hundred man discourses? What are they
going to do? When the gorilla starts throwing d do Uh. Yeah,
I don't. I don't think I think that's monkeys. I
didn't think that's gorillas. But either way, I don't I
think Dudoo will be the LEASTI your problems at that

(12:02):
period of time. You gonna wish she was do. Let's see.
Let's check the episode on YouTube. Three comments. Let's see
what we got here. Hard emojis from Alicia says, dear Diary,
I'm just here for the algorithm. Also, I didn't realize
Michelle Obama Finance was sixty one years old. Such a
classy and beautiful woman. And Rod, let Karen go on

(12:25):
her tangents. We know who the start of the show is. Okay,
all right, Remember y'all asked for that because when one
of y'all right saying, like, really that had nothing, Really, Rod,
that was so long she was out off topic. Yeah,
I'm a host too, and I'm trying to keep us
on track. We actually have shit to do. Sometimes we

(12:49):
have to do shit and be done by certain time.
And Nad says, good morning, thanks for the shout out.
Just say when the whole time you were talking about
buying cars at the rental Place car Max commercial was
playing in my head. I don't think I'm the only one.
Great job, Karen. Thanks again for Karen Hunter for introducing
you both to my family, to the family of the rebels.
Remember me, I'm the one who is always overpacking. Yes,

(13:12):
there was a generation of black, generation of women back
in the day that iron their men's clothes when they
knew they were stepping out. If you know, you know, damn,
that's crazy. That's crazy to be ironing them clothes.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Like.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can't be letting you cheat on me looking out
rinker right. I can't be letting my reputation be ruined.
This jes got to know you was fresh when you
scoop me right and them.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I ain't act like I got no standards.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I just let the commercial keep running all night. It
might help you at your next car. You both are
the best of the best. I see Friday, See you
Friday at three pm on Serious XM one to twenty six,
Foolishness Friday on the House. Peace, Power to the people.
Thank you, Yay, appreciate Rebel Karen Rebel. And the poll
was did you watch centers Yes in Imax thirty five

(13:56):
percent yes, But not in imax forty percent, No, twenty
five percent. That's still such a high. Seventy five percent
of the audience that answered this poll has watched centers.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, because so many people talked about it and.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Just be told, the way the.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Trailers hit, it wasn't promoted like a lot of other
movies were like you've seen it and like you say,
black people and the shit was talking about it because
it's Ryan Coogler, But it didn't get like that big
push that like a lot of the other movies get
where that shit is fucking everywhere on NBA commercials, you know,
like teen like like literally everywhere. It's like that now,

(14:34):
But it wasn't like initially like that when when everybody
was first talking about at least I don't remember it
being like that when everybody initially had talked about it.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, it's just really wild that a movie was able
to do this, you know, like shout out to them.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's why a lot of the critiques and creator
not creators critics and shit are shocked, in surprise, particular
a lot of white ones, because this shit wasn't even
on their radar.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, let me play a beat here so we can
get some money because, like I said, we didn't get
any reviews, so let's get some some beats up in
here and get paid. All right. That was a nice

(15:52):
beat that was called old Flame. All right. The next
episode is thirty nine. Indeed the podcast Mike Conspiracy. We
got three comments on this one. This is when we
had Shawna Christmas on to talk about her comedy stand
up album, which you know, she was an awesome guest

(16:12):
and we hope to have her back at some point.
Yes running around Heel says, I enjoyed Shawna Christmas. I'm
looking forward to not only a special but also her
unexpected podcast. Appia says, I like the idea describing someone
as highly intelligent. Now I'm wondering how tall that person is.
Let's say a woman has to be it's not quite
six feet tall, but almost they're enough asking for myself. Well,

(16:35):
from my understanding of how what she meant from us
talking about it in our discussion, I believe she was
saying that highly intelligent and will have to watch the
special when it comes out, I believe on the twentieth
I believe she was saying that that is a term

(16:55):
that she's using for women who have been sexually assaulted possibly,
and that that's what she meant when she was saying
highly intelligent. Now that was from context clues I was
picking up in our discussion. So we'll have to watch
the special to be sure, but it seemed like she
was saying that when another woman in the crowd was
crying or feeling like emotional about her talking about her

(17:17):
sexual assault. She's like, you know, I see we have
other highly intelligent women in here. Eve, He says. I
enjoyed this guest. I hope Shawna will be back. She
was funny and killed and liked her vibe. I giggled
thinking about being a comedian in the strip club. I
can't imagine going to strip club to see Teddy's instead
getting a comedy show. But I bet that would make
a great material for a show. Yeah, naw, she was great, man,

(17:39):
I really really funny, enjoyable. Yeah, really fit into the show.
And you know, a little behind the scenes. This is
not like it had no bearing on anything that happened,
but it's just it's just a funny story I had. So,
you know, we get gased sometimes and like people like

(18:00):
would you like that? As guest on well, there's only
so much we know about him. And of course I
have a couple of friends in the industry or whatever,
and I'll be like, hey, what do you think about
this person? And sometimes, you know, it's like, like I say,
ninety percent of times like they're cool, they're a good person.
But every once in a while I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
watch out. That person's kind of wild. And then I,
you know, I've declined the request, right, But I accepted

(18:22):
the request because I looked up her social media and
I looked up her like YouTube clisson and I was like,
oh my gosh, she's so funny, uh and she seems
like she'd be a great fit to talk on the show.
And I listened to a couple of episodes of a
podcast she had been on because I try to do
my research. But I hit up my friend after I
had booked it, so I'd already said she's going to
be on the show, and I'm like, yo, what do

(18:43):
you know about Seanna Christmas and or like she's going
to be on the show or whatever, And this person had,
in my mind have replied she's an asshole. And then
at the time I was high Okay, I was on
some edibles so at the so I in my mind

(19:03):
was like it had that in my mind, like she's
an asshole? What like, okay, well we already booked it,
so who gives a fuck. And it's not like I'm
gonna show up to the interview with my arms folded.
Like if a person just because someone else says someone's
an asshole doesn't really mean they are asshole. Could be
a bad interaction, could be a misunderstanding, It could be
a bunch of shit. You know, she's a person that
talks about she's talked about this other comedian and that

(19:27):
sexually assaulted her. And I'm sure that people that's what
people do. They label people like that as bad people like,
oh this is we don't this person's maxing up the
vibe around the scene. It's like, or you're kicking it
with a person that is sexual assault folks, and you
just don't want to stop. So you're making it her fault,
right right, All this went through my head. We do
the show. It was fucking great. She she she's amazing,

(19:49):
She very charismatic, very funny. Everything fit right in. So
I text my friend back, I was like, I don't
know why people will call her ass so she seems
really fucking cool, and she's like, yeah, I don't know
why people. Why why do you think people are saying that.
I'm like, maybe it's because of the you know, people
like what I just explained. And she's like, yeah, I

(20:12):
was like, but then you say she was an asshole.
She was like, I don't know her. I scroll back up, y'all.
The she's an asshole is a reply to a different
fucking comment in the fucking text thread. That's not about
Shawna at all. It's about I think the stylist for

(20:33):
Shannon Sharp who talks about how she could have outed
him or something like that she was and the person
was saying, like, she's an asshole for either like either
out the dude or you know or or don't, but
don't try to like make it seem like you're a
hero for not for helping him be an asshole behind
the scenes. Total misunderstanding, Total misunderstanding. I'm glad it didn't

(20:55):
affect anything, Like seriously, I go into the interviews, I
don't I don't preach judge anybody. I don't take that
with me. I go into the drift with the blank mind,
but a man. I was like, why this is how
I got a stay off the edibles a little bit.
I was like, in my brain, I had been thinking
for five days, like this interview is gonna go terrible.
I hope she really isn't a bad person because you anyway,

(21:17):
she so, she was so great even with that in
the back of the back of the back of my mind,
she's still I walked out of interview like, man, fuck that.
Anybody say, shawna asshole? We gotta fight, right So anyway,
that's a little behind the scenes for y'all. That's hilarious.
Let's see YouTube the podcast Mike Conspiracy. We got four

(21:38):
comments and nad says, hello everyone. Koche Nagwell says, my
stepbrother went to BC two. I think that's what she
went to college. Love SHAWNA. Can't wait to watch the special,
says Christoph. My mom says great show. The microphones get
was hilarious. Oh you're at the end. Yeah, that was
very funny. That segment where we talked about podcast Mike's

(22:00):
in the Hood and Karen said they picked up the
milk crates and put the put the that's feel because
just came out of nowhere. Someone made a photo shop
of that that was hilarious on social media. I think
it was great Uncle Bob or whatever that did us
photoshop of you know what, the pot the milk crates

(22:20):
coming down the mics and but the c I he
putting the milk the MIC's out. It was very funny.
And I love when our audience, you know, gets in
on the fund like that, because it just makes it
better for us. I'll show y'all a picture and is funny. Yeah,
I don't you always keep saying that, like there's a
bunch of people saying you're not funny or something. Yes,

(22:42):
that is fucking hilarious. Yeah, this is the milk Crk Challenge.
But now it's it's got the microphones. That's milk crates
tumbling down, hilarious. All right, let's get into the rest
of the comments. Let's see. Uh yeah, because I think
that was all of them. So we got to go

(23:02):
to the pole. Do you do creative pursuits as a
side hustle? Yes?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Or my creative pursuit is my main hustle. Three percent
of the audience that creative pursuit is their main hustle.
That's I mean, because it really is rare to be
able to do like something creative for a living and
make enough money to do it, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
And also for some people they're the thing that they
because everything because the way society is now, anytime you
are good or halfway good or decent than anything, everybody
has this thing with I gotta make money off of what.
Some people go, No, I want to do this. I

(23:45):
don't want to make no money off of it. I
want to do it for my own pleasure, like just
tap tap into that creative side. I don't want no pressure,
I don't want no stress. I don't want to do
with any of that. So for some people, they do
a lot of creative shits almost like just for them
differends in their family. Yeah, and so they don't want
it to be their main hustle. But I realized a
lot of the younger generation, because you know, it's so

(24:08):
hard out there for them, everything you do got to
be a hustle. And for some people that creative part
it burns them out because they was like, I want
to do this just for fun. I don't want to
do this to profit and make money or whatever whatever
the case may be because you know, because I've kind
of renched articles about this and how some people got
into that hustle thing and they say it killed their
creativity for what they were doing because it's not really

(24:30):
what they want. They didn't want to do it for
a profit margin.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, I think also just as black people, and I
bet this applies to a lot of immigrants in different backgrounds.
But that's just this whole idea of like, only do
this on the side, like, don't do just as a
main thing because it won't work or if it doesn't work,
you won't have money, or even if it is working,
while you're trying to build it up, you won't have money.

(24:54):
So get you a main gig and then you can
like kind of go back and back in full front.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But I just until that side hustle make more money
than your main hustle basically, right.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
So I think that's a big, big problem that that's
that's true too.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, because a lot of people probably are really really
great and like and I didn't even think about that,
but because of that for some people, and they've probably
have had people I probably have told them like, oh,
you'll be really really good at this, but the the
mental gymnastics. You have to do the self deprecation that
a lot of us have about us and our work
and our creativity and things like that. And like you said,

(25:30):
capitalism a lot has a lot of to do with
it because you know a lot of times, even if
you're good or great at something, that's very hard to
get loans and you know a lot of us don't
have family and friends and you're like, here's a few
thousand dollars to start disadventure, you know, mean whatever is
you're trying to do. So that's why a lot of people,
you know, kind of go that route because they go,
I don't have a choice because I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But like this me failing is me failing.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't have a quote unquote safety net to bounce
back and come back and try again.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I think that's yeah. I think that's it too.
And also just you know, fear, yes, and there's yeah, fear,
And people are putting that stigma on you the struggling artist.
You know, like no one wants to struggle, but if
you were struggling and you had a forty hour week job,
people just treat that differently, like there's no like it's like, oh, yeah,

(26:17):
you got a struggle job, but at least you're working
forty hours a week. But if you're like I'm a
musician and I'm struggling, people are like, go get a
fucking job. You know, it's definitely a stigma.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, because people, honestly, people, most the average person don't
respect creativity. Like people will not admit that they don't
respect creativity because anything that's like pure creative A lot
of times they don't really want to pay because it's
not something you could put a price tag or dollar
amount on creativity.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Versus if you come here, we're eight hours.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I can listen to your things you do, and I
can calculate how much I'm supposed to pay.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Someone someone figured that number out, Like there's no what
Like people don't appreciate other people's work just in general.
I agreed, you know how many times you know anyway,
it's just people don't. Yeah, but I just think there's
a stigma around being a struggling artist as opposed to
struggling other shit. It's just like, oh no, that's that's
admirable struggling struggling nurse, admirable struggling rapper. Motherfucker, you need

(27:12):
to go get a real job, you know, right at
any rate? Eighteen percent yes, they do them as a
side hustle, seventy eight percent do not have creative pursuits
as a side hustle, and three percent have actually made
their side hustle their main hustle with creative pursuits. All right,
let's get to the next episode, which was the thirty
ninety one. The Kendrick says a Grand National Tour concert review,

(27:36):
we tired. We had four comments, says, listen to your joy.
I almost understand why people go to concerts. I'm overall extrovert,
but I don't enjoy people in big groups. All right, Well,
everyone's different. Pamela In says, the only word that I
have to describe you for you is breathtaking, like literally
take my breath away. Every so often last year and
this year, I will pull it up on YouTube, close
my eyes and listen to it, bopping my head and

(27:58):
just gasping at the heat and the ventrial. The whether
he gets into it. Like Bomani said on the show
last year, y'all don't understand he hates that man child. Yes,
he just not like that man very much. Appreciate the
deep guys that y'all took last year for those of
us not to know. Glad that the concert was great,
as I imagine, Pamela mar Crowned says, hello, mister and

(28:19):
mister and missus Karenmorrow, I'm glad you all enjoyed the show.
I went a few days before you all, and when
he came to Atlanta, that show was everything. And I
don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say that it
was the best rap concert that I've ever been to.
The video packages of his Disposition, Deposition, Needling, that Drake
were hilarious, especially that last one when it just kept

(28:39):
saying drop drop, drop drop, and then it led to
not like us. If I had any critique, it would
be that he brought out our hometown guy, Playboy Carti.
That part of the show was not for me initially,
but after experiencing Cardi on that stage, I totally get
while people love him any who love you guys peace.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's the same way I felt about the Tyler the
Cree show with it Lit Yachty, Yeah, because like I said,
I don't really know much about Li Yachty anything like that,
but seeing Little Yachty.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Live, I was like, oh, I get.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
It like like like you say, I understand even though
it ain't for me, I do understand.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Why you are where you are. Well. I think the
difference is that Lil Yachty opened for Tyler the creator,
as this seems that he probably had Playboy Cardy come
out and rap during the song Okay that Kendrick does
near the end that is his verse off of that
new Playboy Cardi song. So I think maybe that. But yeah,

(29:36):
generally I agree that sometimes you just need to see
a person in the element to be like, oh, okay,
I get it right, But I don't. I don't. Like
I said, I maybe I have to see Playboy Cardi live.
I just I've tried so many times to listening to
his music. I don't. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's just not for you. We just find everybody ain't
for everybody, even.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
He says, thanks for sharing your experience of the concert.
I love hearing how much you enjoyed the concert. Hearing
you talk about the Kendrick concert reminded me of how
excited Karen was when you went to see Beyonce last year.
I was always a casual fan of Kendrick, but your
recap made me realize I know more Kendrick songs than
I thought, and I love Scissor too, and it would
be a fun concert to attend, But tickets are sold
out in my city and the skypers won't get one

(30:15):
red cent from me. So it's nice living vicarrously through
you too. I do wonder if you try to look
for tickets closer to the day, if you will find
like some sales because my understanding, I don't know much
about the second ticket market, but from what I've heard
is if you wait till like the day of sometimes
because skypurds are basically like I'm gonna get zero dollars or.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm going to get some market value right.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Something, and so sometimes you can get a below market
value ticket that last day or so, but you may
need to like really hustle up, like it may be
a couple hours for the concert before you buy this ticket.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
And I guess that would make sense, yeah, because you
bought them and you go, I want to make something.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Off of this. Yeah, So I've heard that, you know,
I know when we went to Hornets Games, I definitely
heard people that walked in there and they would be
talking very loudly about how little they paid for their
tickets because they had waited till either the game started
to write before the game started, and the hornets were bad,
so it's like, mayn, we got these tickets for four
dollars or whatever, and I'm like, damn. I was like,

(31:19):
but I want to watch the whole game. Let's see
YouTube fourteen comments.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Okay, they had a lot to say, apparently, I guess what.
Apparently us changing the name put the name up front.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
The numbers matter time, I guess. So maybe people don't
know what the hell they was talking about if no
one's written in with apology yet, let's see. Thank you
for doing a review of the concert. I love to
see this tour live. I'm a Day two fan too.
You're so right about people not respecting the art centers
was also amazing. CHM eight one eight says I love

(31:52):
the in living colored shirt Rod, thank you. Ramsey. Eph
Done says the review is filled with all the black
Joy five stars. Jane says, hey, y'all, I went to
Charlotte Shall too. I knew y'all was somewhere vibing in there.
I had floor seats and the range just made me
feel like it was a music festival. I did miss
mis whacked out murals while I was getting to my seat,

(32:13):
but I went crazy for Euphoria two. E looe. That
show was absolutely amazing. The stage design was flames. I
love the stage design. Cheyenne says, I'm so excited to
see Kendrick and Tyler in June. I was hoping he
did the Heart Part five, but God knowing, I can
wrap King Kunta with him life affirming. Thanks for the recap.
I'm glad y'all had a fun double day. Thank you,

(32:36):
You're gonna have a good time. Both of them concerts
are top notching, worth every dollar. Yeah, and I guess
he could have done the Heart Part five, maybe right
before Gloria or something, But I'm just telling you, by
that time it was perfect. I didn't even miss the
Heart Part five and I liked the Heart Part five.
I just it was what a great concert. Cheyenne says,

(32:58):
I'm so excited to see Kendrick in Oh wait, I
said this future proof Prep says, come on with the
was it the braids? What is the braids? We and
this together, brother Rod. Those vocal stems are priceless. Thank you.
Uh Leah says, I drowned before and after the show.
I guess that's what we said. I must have said

(33:20):
that at the one hour mark. Yes we did. I
would do it all over again, such a great show.
Or maybe she she went to I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Know, yeah, but I said if you did, yeah, you
was swimming pool before the swimm pool afterwards?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Can yeah, yeah, I'm glad he did swimming pools right
he did. Cam says May third, the one year anniversary
of Meet the Grahams and The Charlotte Show. YEP Tip
Tip says, I went in atl we was on fire.
Charles says, mister Morale still getting played by me all
the time. Definitely a classic to me. But I'm forty seven. Yeah,

(33:52):
it's a classic to me too, man, you know. And
it's that thing where like because people always say, like,
especially because of how much I listen to music and
how much I talk, like think about music, not talk
about but think about music. Over the last few years,
I've gotten multiple people like, you need to start a
hip hop podcast, you need to talk, you need to

(34:15):
do y'all need to have a spin off that's about
music or something like that. And it's it's not just
that I'm adverse to picking up more work or whatever.
But I really like, I don't think they're wrong. It's
what I'm saying because like, I do find that my
opinion is kind of unique. I don't and I'm not
trying to be contrarian or asshole. Like you look at

(34:38):
these podcasts and you know the ones, so they're going
viral because if something well Kendrick kind of whack, you
know or whatever, like whatever the vibe is that people
are having, they say the opposite so that they'll get
the clicks. You know, I never liked Beyonce in the
first place. She ain't that good. And then you know,
like and it becomes a big thing and you know,
so and so don't like Beyonce. The clip goes viral,

(34:58):
everybody gets mad da da da da da, And even
if years later they admit that they were wrong or
they like, they can't lie anymore more, because like the
wave is so strong that they even they have to
be like, nah, I do like this new I just
find Yeah, I just I do think I think about
music differently than a lot of people. And it's definitely

(35:22):
something I'm considering. I don't know how I would do
it exactly. I would have to think about, you know,
how to do it in a way that would make
it like fun for meun and whether I would have
like guests or if I would just be sitting here
talking or what because I'm not I'm not a go
to a bunch of concert guys or whatever. But like
stuff like mister Morale, I was on it from day one,

(35:44):
is my point. Like, I didn't even have to come
around to it. I heard the slander about it. I
wasn't responding to. I wasn't gonna go back and forth
for people over it, But I said, I remember having
episodes of this podcast where I'm like, people are just
missing the fucking moment, right, They just want to hear
what he had to say at the times, Like some
sometimes genius is in your face and it's fine if

(36:06):
you don't get it. You know, everybody wants to be
simple and stuff. But like how passionate I feel about
likes the miseducation yep, and the context and the framing
of the mis education and how much that was lost
and how much you know, and I get it. Some
people really want to be simple, like the whole thing.
I'll just listen to it and all skipping songs. I
don't like it, and that's fine, but I think there

(36:29):
should be a podcast for people that's not that simple,
that different, a little bit of different tastes that do
want to hear some little stuff a little bit more
in depth. Yeah, And of course my main issue is that,
you know, I, like everyone else, don't like everything, and
so I feel like there would be some artists and
stuff that people would probably you know, I had to
go back and forth for people would feel bad about

(36:51):
me not liking and stuff, and so part of that,
to be honest, is part of my like reticence to
do a show about music is that I don't want
to ship on someone else's favorite art If I if
I can't get into Playboy Cardi, I don't want to
turn it into I'm shitting on Playboy Cardi to run
and joke to me every week when they're when they're
very popular, very you know, people love their music and

(37:13):
it's just not for me or whatever. So that's when
and I don't want to engage in those conversations. The
same way I don't like when I'm listening to someone
and they're just shipping on Kendricks like skip this episode. Agreed,
So anyway, I'll think about it as my point. I
felt his maturity as an artist on that one and
gave him the permission to unleash the dragon on Drake.
Missing Around the Big Step is my favorite album, says

(37:35):
Tip Tip seven oh six. Come on now, listen. I like,
I'm not joking. I get if you want to say
it's not as best artist album. If that's really how
you feel that, I'm not arguing with you. I understand.
It's not full of it's not like gn X. It's
just it's just full of bops. It's simple, full of bops, straightforward.
It's what people claim they want it. But that that

(38:00):
album is just so fucking ahead of everyone else. It's
just so ahead of everyone else. It's it's really insane.
No and people can they just could not process it
or pick it up in that way, and they still
don't hold it to the reverence I believe that album deserves.
I I won't name any names or whatever. You know

(38:22):
what I'm saying, but like how something like rich Nigga,
broke Phone don't hit you like in the like damn,
that's what we all eventually gonna end up is the
let me turn the social media apps and all this
off off and go live my fucking life because the
phone is making me miserable. He was ahead of the

(38:43):
curve with that, and people was like, look at him
trying to usurp responsibility for the hip hop game. I'm
not your savior, like yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Also that album was a lot of self reflection, which
is what a lot of niggas don't want to do.
Then this album come out doing the pandemic, Yes, and
I think with the pandemic and people going through their
own things with him going ay y'all, his album about
therapy and learning and growing and I'm not perfect and

(39:14):
I fucked up and these are the things you know
going on in my life. I think for a lot
of people it was an automatic rejection because they was like,
I'm depressed to nigga, I'm going through shit.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, what bothered me is that he was saying I
Am not your savior, and then they were critiquing him
as like this coward doesn't want to be our savior. Right,
but before when he did have that savior complex, y'all
were like, who does this nigga think he is? Like
it it's very interesting, and especially because he went through

(39:46):
the stuff that people claim they want to see people
go through. He did the therapy, he did the you
know what I'm saying, He did the self exploration. He
criticized himself before you could. He realized he wasn't a
perfect person. You know, he talked about he he talked
about topics that other artists won't fucking touch. When he's
talking about his trans and gay family members, and people

(40:09):
are like, well, he dad named them. You missed the
fucking point. You missed the fucking point. People don't have
perfect language, Like they sit on Twitter all day and
they go learn all the right things to say. He's
giving you the raw. I have a perfect I have
a perfect heart. If you asked my uncle and you
asked my cousin about me and how I how I

(40:33):
stay with them ten toes down, they won't come back
and be, well, you know, he doesn't always get the
pronouns right. They'll be like, no, that's my motherfucking the
one that stood up in church and said, what the
fuck are you doing trying to trying to ostracize my cousin.
That's who he is, right, So it's that type of thing.
So you know anyway, I won't. I'm already doing it. Uh,

(40:55):
Kylie you Bruther says, yes, Sissy is hot brown sugar butter,
she is. Listen, Kelli, bro, Mike, you know me. I
like my women like I like my grits, all right,
Dick chocolate and black as hell. Oh lord. Now I
don't know how to make grips, which is I don't

(41:17):
eat them. Okay, but I'm just junking. And it says
I've seen Kendrick twice, so I chose to see Metallic
at the end of the month. I don't. I didn't
know Charlotte had a train system on coming from Greensboro.
Is there a specific stop I should use to avoid
the traffic after the show. I don't have all of
that information for you because it was our first time

(41:40):
using the train system. I would not call it a
train system. It is a light reds. We did a
park and ride, so I don't know how far from
out of town you can go with that. And the
parking ride does work, but you need to find basically
a parking lot get on the stop. I don't know
how big that Metallica concert is going to be, so

(42:01):
I mean, if it's sold out in the Panthers Stadium.
I'm gonna tell you right now, the closest track, the
closest stop to the stadium is probably like a ten
or twelve minute walk, and the way to get on
the train was probably about I mean, if you wanted
to get on one that wasn't super crowded, it was me,
my mom and Karen. You needed to wait probably an
extra thirty forty minutes before you were going to get

(42:24):
enough people out of the station to where it was like, okay,
now we can take a train home. So just giving
you all that information, but I don't and I don't know,
it would really depend on how big that that crowd
is gonna be, because that determined stuff like parking, yeah
and all that.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And also I would actually just search on the internet
Charlotte Parking Ride and it probably would give you like
a list of the stops and how far they are,
and you probably can like, no, it probably have a
big ass map to show you, so you can kind
of map out and plan out in advance, so you
probably come halfway whatever park and ride so you won't
be fighting at traffic.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, So this is we kind of experimented and learned
there was a big day to do that because honestly,
like a lot was happening compared to like the Love
and Life thing was downtown. So like, if Metallica is
the only thing in town, you'll probably be fine. But
if it's other shit happening, who knows. Yeah, But with us,
it was like two festivals happening that were highly attended anyway,
So it was like we was we was pushing our

(43:24):
luck with that, but it worked out anyway. All Right,
let's see, Paul, do you plan on attendant to Kendrick
Lamar tour this year? Thirty percent the audience said yes.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Seventy said no, And I would imagine part of that
is because many people are like, you can't get tickets now, right,
all right, let's go to uh some music, and then
we'll come back and we will do some more of
the show. All right, let's do let's do this one

(43:56):
psycho music.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Psycho.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I think that one was called It's My Psycho music
called Sey too Low, no title? All right, thirty ninety
two the second worst thing r Kelly has ever done.
Appia says, when people's rights are in danger or they suffer,
I always think it could happen to me, even if
I'm hearing in a good situation. Maybe this is what
doesn't let me fall for demagoguery. I was one night

(44:54):
in migrant housing center with my mother, and I came
to Germany. My father came three months earlier. It was
just one night. But still I'm not above anything. Always
funny to me, how Karen, who is younger than me,
loves to say how very old she is. It is
not possible. You are practically a baby, Karen. The devil
really seemed nice in this one story. Maybe he went
to therapy, worked on himself and change. He has seen

(45:16):
what the American administration is doing and was bored wanted
to change things up. After all, he is a fallen
angel Bible stuff and knows deep down's good. If so,
there's really hope for everyone. Sean says that Guy Derrey
queen learned the hard way. You come for the Queen.
You're best not missed that being said. Dairy Queen in
most locations is at or near the top of fast
food hamburgers in the US. You should try them out sometime.

(45:37):
I did not know that. I don't think I feel
like I've had a dry queen Berger. But I'm not sure,
so you know what sean challenge accepted. I don't go
give me a dry queen burger. I don't remember. Yeah,
I will go give me a derry queen burger one
day this next week and try it, and I'll come
back and tell you guys about it, and you know,

(45:58):
we'll we'll see what it tasts like. Hopefully you're right
and I can tell the audience it was delicious. If not,
then you will have to pay pal me some money
to pay me that. Even he says, I'm a little
confused about what you meant about the type of music
R Kelly made popular. Did you mean the closet style

(46:18):
R and B. Trapped in the closet style R and
B where he's not really singing but kind of storytelling,
or like straight up begging like Keith Sweat. I can't
believe that was confusing. I thought it was kind of
open to sing. It's to sing talking begging. Begging like
Keith Sweat is not a problem. I love begging. I
love it. Keep sweat. I'm not a huge key sweat

(46:38):
guy like that. But I think we lost a lot
in R and B when niggas stop begging for pussy.
It really fucked the whole game up. Yes, it did.
Like R and B, dudes not begging women is one
of the inflection points of R and B. When they
started being like women should want to fuck me because
I'm such a great guy or or you know whatever,

(47:01):
and I will fuck your girl at the concert and
all this shit, it just lost something. It was better
when you would have like one dude in the group
that couldn't even really sing that much, but he would
be doing that thing like three fourths of the way
through the song, like hey girl, you know when I
slept with your sister. I'm sorry, come on, what happened?

(47:21):
I won't I please you?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yes, chah, I love me like like, hey girl, you
special to me.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I don't think Keith on those tracks seem to be
the strongest singer, but he was one of the strongest beggars.
So I thought I was pretty clear in what I
was conveying. But maybe I'm maybe I'm messed up somehow somewhere,
but that's what But I sing, Yeah, the sing talking
shit like Trey Songs does, Chris Brown does. It's just
it's like they're half rapping, half singing. They're not singing,

(47:49):
they're just rap singing. You know. It's I remember he
did it on I'm sure there's a song before this
or whatever, but the one I remember the most of
him being like, I'm not trying to be rude and
baby you mean and I'm like, this is not fucking singing. No,
that's not and of course you sound like you fuck kids.

(48:09):
I want to tune too, and even a beat beat?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Thomas? Yes? Nothing?

Speaker 4 (48:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
What is this? Thomas? Da train fucked that ship? No?
I was agreeing with you. It doesn't the same Yes
you did when you said begging from Keith sweat Han
I heard it beat down. You was liking it either way.
Some of the at the time either way, some of
the latest stuff that passes for RB A straight ass.
I'm sorry, but I think a lot of these guys

(48:35):
like Trey Songs and Jocks are Jock are straight Jack Quaz,
I don't even know how he say his name, are
straight garbage. Give me an old school UK the track anytime.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yes, yeah, because I'm not gonna revise history. Like I
wasn't bopping to it.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I was, Yeah that yes came out. It was very
obvious that you loved it and all I and I
was the point I was making. Is it sounded he
was fucking kids? And he was like yes, oh yes,
it was so good after that time he was fucking back.
Oh take me back there, No, don't take me back songs?
Is count doing one play two twelve player?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I knew what he was doing was talking to fucking kids.
He was you remind me anyway? Uh comments on uh
the second worst thing R Kelly ever did thirty ninety
two on YouTube. Yo, Paul Pierce is too old to
be Damn that damn ignorant, says Lamont. That's the attitude

(49:32):
that limits black men and they end up alone and miserable.
There's nothing wrong with loving a woman. That dude's been hurt. Yeah,
it's some pain. Now. I always wonder, like do they
not know we can see them? They don't care, Like
where are the people in their lives that would be
like brother therapy?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
They the person who said that no longer their friend.
Like like people get to a.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Certain point when I guarantee you somebody was like, hey,
you ain't helping. They like get the fuck out of here,
Like they get rid of all those people before before
you pick up that podcast, Mike, how about we get
you a little therapy. How about so we can work
through this. How about we we how about before you
voice these opinions, is if you have any expertise on
this subject other than just you have lived life and

(50:14):
you've decided that women is the problem. How about we
do a little something different? Isn't in lane already? Four?
I guarantee it's jam packed? Bum Why don't Why don't
you want to be different? Why be the nine hundred
thousand nigga on a microphone being like, you know, the
problem with society is these fucking women. It's not us
at all. They always want stuff, all right?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Did I'm attracted to but I really don't like them?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Why would I ever get married? It's only good for
a woman. It is bad for me as a man
that only wants to have sex with a lot of
different women all the time.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
The girl on the other side of the road said,
people will never be sorry for voting for Trump. It'll
be anything else's fault. But there's because admitting to it
will hurt that ego and make them feel blame for everything.
Thus waiting for an you will never work. People's kids
would die because of Trump, and they would say, but
the Democrats weren't good in messaging correct. Alicia says that
is the crazy part to me. They will find another

(51:10):
reason a person to blame for what he has done.
And I also annoyed because everyone except for the most
most black people can't admit Kamala didn't win because she
was a black woman. Crazy. This is an upside down
for real. I agree with both printers are equal opportunity haters, wireless, USB,
parallel ceial, It don't fucking matter, says wan Ganghi wan Ganji.

(51:33):
He also says ice in your water is a thing.
I noticed why I travel outside of the US. So
now when I establish a rapport with the staff, asked
for American ice and we all laugh. Of course, since
time is a flash circle, folks is back to referring
to themselves as Canadian and international situations now. So I
would advise against this tactic unless you can pass as
not white, unless you can pass as not white, Okay, y'all,

(51:57):
I was gonna say, as a black person, I feel
like if I travel somewhere and I say I'm American,
they not associate me with Trump. So I'm good. I'm
good at any neighborhood, Lisha said, speaking of the music
from the nineties, y'all remember that song Ladies Night with
Missy and Little Kim de Bratt, Left Eye, et cetera. Yeah,
I remember that song. It's like one of the last
times we really had a women's posse cut collective. Yeah, yeah,

(52:20):
I want to say I Want to Be Down remix
was another one. Freedom from the Black Panther Soundtrack was
another one, A Panther The Panther soundtrack, not Black Panther Soundtrack,
but that one, because I think they had an R
and B mix and a rap mix on that one.
That was a good one. Anyway, I love that song,
and I'm praying this new corehre of female rappers do

(52:42):
a remake. Shit, they remake literally everything else. I could
see Flow Millie Lattel Douci of course, Meg and Glow
and maybe Sizza and the Bailey sisters on the course. Yeah,
long as we don't get it's so funny we're saying
all this and we all have the unspoken like, long
as Nicki Minaj don't show up, they might actually work together.
They might work together, But nah, I would love to

(53:03):
see the girls get together. It's so funny because I
think one of the big times that we would get
stuff like that used to be movie soundtracks, and now
we don't really do a lot of original score for
movie soundtrack. It's a lot of like I, oh, pick
this song from over here, or here's a play, almost
like a mixtape, one original song and then a mixtape

(53:25):
of other people's songs. It would be cool if someone
took it back to the old school where we had
like the above the Rim soundtrack or Panther soundtrack, And like.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
You say, it used to be back in the day
where some songs you can only get them on soundtrack.
They didn't come out of nobody's album. They ain't come
out of the cut, nothing like that. Like you said,
you really get it a lot of times, like you said,
if you get a soundtrack, it's a collaboration, a little
bit of everything. A lot of times there's songs that
were made and like the cause we're old, the two thousands,
the twenty ten's and shit like they're like.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Oh you remember that, Yeah, we used to. I mean,
so I'm not saying it will be stuff made back then.
I'm saying, like new movies, it'll be like contemporary songs.
But it's but it's just they're they're not made for
this movie. It's just like here's twelve songs. You see
what I'm saying. Like they make soundtracks all the time.

(54:15):
It's like if you hold no, no, no, let me,
I'll put it in the like if I put it
in a Twitter, I mean Twitter, Spotify, Sinners. It has
an original motion picture soundtrack. So it's it's like they
have this happens all the time. Okay, now this was
probably not a good example because I'm pretty sure it's
you know, Ryan Coogler would not let this be some bullshit,

(54:37):
so so it's gonna be some new stuff. But like
I guess if I put it in maybe Thunderbolts. I
wonder what would happened with Thunderbolts if I put that in. Yeah,
Thunderbolt's original motion picture soundtrack and it's all by son Lux.
So it's basically this is the other thing I was
gonna say. You also have this like this one group

(54:58):
made this soundtrack, Like it's not a collection of what
we used to have where it's like, you know, like
if you put in Above the Ram, it's Tupac, it's
the Dog.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Pound is Queen TV like Jones like love Jones, Like
we don't make example that the song they were everywhere.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
We don't have that much anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Okay that, yes, I see im now that I agree. Yes,
And and some of them songs didn't even make the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah is that okay? Like I'm with you, like we
used to do that all the time, and now, like
you said, it's either like it's either like uh a
mixtape of like remember these songs from the uh the
uh the nineties, or it's like, like I said, a

(55:42):
lot of stuff that is contemporary, but it's just very disparate.
They're not connected. There's not a theme. They're just picking
songs to be like this, this will be a cool song.
They don't have a flow to them. Yeah, like I'm
looking on the accountant to soundtrack. Uh well, actually no,
this isn't that's not right because this one just says
a playlist, So I don't even know if they had

(56:03):
a real soundtrack anyway, you got we're getting I'm getting
on the tangent. I'm sorry, this isn't important. See I
do it to myself, to Alicia, I'll stop my own
tangent dras that self control. Dragon Love from Chicago says,
got me laughing over here. Thanks Cali, Bro. Mike says

(56:25):
January fourth, and this ship is still being broadcasted Man,
this edit, this editing is an eight point seven on
the Gender War scale. Koche Nager says, congrats on a
new car. Jason says, I'm popular, pending opinion, the big
pimping on the above the Rim soundtrack is better than
jay Z's Big pimping. Of course, part of that is

(56:46):
colored by the fact that that's what's bumping when Tupac
and then pull up to the basketball tournament. Yeah, the
shootout which turned it to a shootout the scene. That
scene is hard. Also the fact that the Tupac song
that has played literally all throughout the movie was not
on the CD version soundtrack should have been a class
action lawsuit for everyone who bought that soundtrack looking for

(57:08):
that salt. I used to hate that shit. Well, you're like,
you can't just trick me like that. I've come to
the conclusion that Gender War's featuring a wealthy dude's usually
better than Gender War's featuring a broke dude. You get
the same dynamic of poor white people riding for Trump
fellas will passionately illogically ride for someone who absolutely does
not care what they think. This creates the potential of

(57:28):
maximum ignorance. Good point. Yeah, I don't think about that.
That's about of how they get extra points because of
that too.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Do you prefer room temperature water when you go out
to eat? Now? Eighteen percent does, eighty two percent does not,
which is why I don't understand why any fucking restaurant
will serve it. Ask like, why would you serve it
default room temp? Right, eighty percent of the people are like,
I'm expecting some ice. I'm respecting cool cold water, And

(57:56):
it's actually more work for you.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
So unless you're gonna have ice in the water in
the container whatever you're pouring out of, they're gonna turn around.
A lot of people ain't like you about can you
give me some ice? So now you're actually doing more work.
Just put the icing up front.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Now I'm really gonna have to earn my supper here
because this is the latest episode thirty ninety three Kendrick
Lamar and Sinners and it's us Mike Bossi from the
Idea of Podcast and you guys of course, had a
shit ton to say, So here we go. Who Rona
Rapaiel says, I've stayed from voting in the poe. However

(58:29):
I stayed from saying Karen be knowing the poll? What
was the poll? It was? Should Jacoby in the Big Three? Okay?
Great breakdown by everyone. Fun fact, I felt my comment
was too long. On a sport movie review, I had
written how Buddy's facial scars looked like a Yoruba facial scar.
Then the race because the Blackout Tests award winner here

(58:50):
got to consider my good brother Rod. So it was
glad that BOSSI brought it up in a much better way.
By the way, go see Centers show and watch out
for my blues album. Sin City says, people forget Beyonce
is one of the greatest rappers of twenty ten's. It's
definitely not Ja Cole. Yes, she could be third, who knows. Yeah,
no offense to Ja Cole, but I'm not putting them
into Big Three. Not to me. Julian says, ry you,

(59:14):
my guy, because you said exactly what I've been thinking
about Centers. Some folks are really trying to force this
narrative about Asian identity trying tying into higher education and
proximity to whiteness into the film, but honestly, that feels
like a stretch. From the jump. Lisa is shown to
be super skeptical everyone and everything. That's key. The way
Grace took out her husband stood on business while she

(59:35):
herself caught on fire was her way of saying, if
I can eliminate my husband, then no one can use
either of us to get to Lisa. Yeah, because if
she or her husband shows up at the door, her
daughter is going to let them in. Of course, that's
you know, and I'm not saying it's a full proof plan,
but in her mind, she's like, my daughter's not letting
in a stranger or any of these other people into

(59:56):
the house, so I can eliminate this problem for me
and my family right now. And the what I would
say is the movie doesn't give us any reason to
feel that, in my opinion, that that is an Asian thing,
or that that is a thing that no one else
would have folded on, because no one else is challenging
that way. Right If someone, if Remick, would have used

(01:00:19):
one of those people to be like, we're gonna go
kill preacher boys, daddy and the congregation and your and
your brothers and sisters, maybe we get maybe we would
see a contrast where he's like kill him then fuck it,
or I'm not coming out, and we go, oh, he's
standing ten toes down where where Grace could not. But

(01:00:41):
we didn't get that. So I'm not going to jump
to the conclusion of because of real life shit that
this movie is trying to imitate when Asian people do
that model minority bullshit. I didn't feel that. I feel like,
if they wanted to do that, Lisa and then would
have literally joined up with the vampire, uh, because the
vampire kind of represented that joining in to this you know,

(01:01:04):
this club. Anyway, we watched that movie and ask if
that girl looks like she accepts candy from strangers. So
by removing themselves, Grace May and sure Lisa couldn't be
luurered in. That wasn't weakness of treachery, that was protection.
That was love. Yeah. Out to my girl Reagan, go man.
She said that on Twitter, and and you know she's
I know she got media literacy. That's why I fuck
with Reagan. But she was like, if you look at

(01:01:26):
this through this movie, so many of the decisions that
were made were out of love, love protection. Yes, Julian
three thousand also says, also no one else in that
building really seemed to have deep times with anybody outside
smokest girl was in there with him. I don't think
Sammy likes his preacher daddy that much that the other
ladies out here cheating on her husband and Slim has
all he needs and hair their drink. Well, I think

(01:01:49):
the Sami thing. I think if they would have, if
Remick would have said, I'm gonna go kill your family,
because remember they shall Sammy waking up all his siblings
earlier in the day, I feel like that might have
made at least given Sammy something to think about. But
my guess is whoever, whoever he had absorbed didn't really

(01:02:11):
have that type of deep tie into what Sammy's weaknesses
would be, meaning that even though he had absorbed Stack
at that point, I don't think Stack, it didn't seem
like Stack hung around the family. They were just taking
Sammy for a day out where if maybe if Sammy had,
if Stack had hung around Sammy's family and know the

(01:02:33):
siblings and all that, it would then I think Remick
would have definitely used that to try to get to
Preacher Boy, and we will find out if that would
have moved Preacher Boy or not. I don't know if
it would have right. Jake jail Coven says, I had
asked Rod if there was a closing scene, not the
buddy Guy scene which I did see the first time,
and if I should go see it again for that.

(01:02:53):
He told me I did miss a scene, but it
was not worth an entire rewatch well, in an effort
to support black capitalism despite Rod's claire andaganism and trying
to keep dollars in generational wealth away from the Coogler family.
I saw it again. It's a great movie. Jael Jinks alert,
let's see and he stopped this. I thought it was
the best performance of Michael B. Jordan's career, and I

(01:03:14):
really think there was no weak point in the movie
or cast. Perhaps too heavy with score usage, since I
am smart, much smarter on movies than I am on
Kendrick Lamar, though I did appreciate and learn a ton
from Riod's online course on Kendrick and Drake. I think,
much like NFL fans who kept comparing Mike Vick to
Randall Cunningham instead of the much more clear Steve Young comparison.
I felt a lot of Christopher Nolan influence in his

(01:03:37):
work with Unspoken in the Cooglar Kendrick talk, and he
did advise Coogler on imax technique. Sidebar. Coogler's praise of
The Dark Knight should settle any Black Panther the Dark
Knight debate in quotes, Actually, no, I don't think it does.
Let me tell you why. It's like if Michael Jackson
said one of his influences was a guy who made

(01:03:58):
honky tonk music in nineteen oh five, that does not
make me be like, well, that honky top music is
superior to what Michael Jackson went on to make. No,
I still would be like this, Michael Jackson shit is amazing,
and credit to his source, that guy was good for
his time. We love to see it as well. And
I'm not a person that hates song Christopher Nolan, but

(01:04:21):
that don't make his movie better than Black Panther, That's all.
But I think BOSSI and Mike would have smashed me
in the head with a guitar if I brought Christopher
Nolan into this. Well. You know that's because you bring
him into everything. I think. I think the movie will
be a contender for all major awards, but the early
release will inevitably make it more difficult than if this
had been released in October or November. I agree, I agree,

(01:04:45):
like that the same thing happened with get Out, where
like it did end up I believe, winning some stuff,
but it was very much like if that doesn't come
out in like the beginning of the year, it's hard.
It's just hard to keep it on people's minds as
time continues, because I remember get Out had one of
the biggest critic press like run things, like they were

(01:05:06):
constantly sending us a bunch of shit throughout the year
to be like, hey, don't forget soundtime, here's a book,
here's it, this, here's it that. Like it was like
get get Out, get Out, get Out, because I mean,
how do you keep people engaged for essentially a year, Like, yes,
people think of it like oh, the end of the years,
when no, the end of the year is when the
big push for like the last minute movies to win

(01:05:29):
the award are but like the actual award show is
like another couple of months after that. If I'm not mistaken,
so you basically need to keep people from April to
like February of next year understanding and appreciating this same
thing happened with everything everywhere, all at once. It came
out so early that by the time it came up,

(01:05:51):
it was like, is it gonna win? I remember how
I felt about that movie. I remember thinking it was great.
But now we're ten months removed from that. Can it
keep that momentum? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, and yeah yeah yeah, like you said, and depend
on how things fall and things like that and how
the studios lay the shit out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
It's just some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
They just like, nope, put it up in the earlier
part of the year for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah, so okay, ms barn says everywhere, everything, everywhere, All
the ones came out around Oscar time the year it
was released, but it was heavily it was heavily nominated
the following year. Yeah, so like did it not make
the cutoff? I just remember that. I remember when that
shit came out that it was like, can it keep

(01:06:38):
everybody's like focused on how great it was until it
is time to vote for it? So I don't remember
the exact date that it was released. So yeah, March eleventh. Okay, yeah,
March eleventh, twenty twenty two, and let's see Oscars Day

(01:06:58):
twenty twenty two. Sorry to do this research live on
the air was March twenty seven, which means it probably
was not qualifying for you need to release somewhere around
like December, I believe. So you have to keep that
momentum for a year. Sinners came out in April, so
we're talking March to April, one month difference, so now

(01:07:20):
you need to keep that momentum for eleven months essentially
and make people remember this's great. You loved it. It
was great, and you know, our cynical microwave ADHD society
will be like, but what about this thing? Or here's
a now that everyone loves it, here's a hot take,
what if we didn't love it? You know. So it's
got to go through that gauntlet to make it back

(01:07:42):
to this and I can see that, you know, being
a thing that will lose some momentum, and because some
people are racist in the academy, you'll have to deal
with that as well. So like it's got an uphill
battle to if it's gonna be like BOSSI said, when
she wants to win everything. It's got an uphill battles
my point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah, and this is why sometimes a lot and everywhere,
uh uh, everything everywhere, all at once, And a lot
of these movies that have a tendency to come out
at the earlier part of the year end up getting
re releases like sometimes several times, like a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I hope that helps too, because released in October and
then they said they do right around the end of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
A lot of times, that gets people back into the
theaters to kind of refresh their memories.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
He goes on to say, but my one plessy sister,
Hayley Steinfeld, and everyone else non black seem to be
taking a little extra heat from BOSSI and Mike that
I'm not sure Coogler intended. I also found Sammy's father,
a pretty nice religious figure in the movie, warned his son,
did not shun his son, welcome the son back. Even
the twins spoke of their uncle as a good man,
so I was not sure why he caught more heat

(01:08:49):
during your discussion. Well, here's the thing. Two things, okay.
The first one is BOSSI and Mike be on TikTok
and they be seeing white people dancing to Kendrick Lamar
when he's talking about forty acres in the mules. So
they're a bit more militant than I am about the
guardrails of black art and how much they want white
interlopers to like back down and stop fucking with shit.

(01:09:11):
I don't engage in those TikTok discussions, so I don't
see the I don't see what they see to make
me feel the way that they feel about, like, oh,
these white folks get the fuck out of here. I'm like, whatever,
if you make great art, white people exist and they
know what great art is, they're gonna want to come
in and watch it, you know. So I don't feel that.
As far as the father thing, I don't think he

(01:09:32):
caught that much heat. I think you may be, but
as a religious person, you may be a little oversensitive
to critiques of religion in that way. I know you're
running real high for having a new pope and everything
who is also a jail covan pope. You know what
I'm saying. Okay, the beige rage is up in him. Okay,

(01:09:54):
he might tan a little. He might have to be keramuch.
He tens in the summer. If you know what I'm saying,
But I think what we were saying is two things
about the about the about the father of Sammy. One
put the guitar down, which they emphasized on him multiple times,

(01:10:15):
multiple times, was put the guitar down. Sammy does not
put the guitar down. And but that feeling and that
disapproval he had of not just the blues and SAME's talent,
but of the fact that he's not using it to
serve the Lord is a type of judgment and a
type of historical, especially in the South, black religious dogma

(01:10:41):
that has been in many cases the opposite of freedom
for people. And while I thought we did a good
job of putting how generationally his father was a good dude,
So I think that is definitely in our conversation about
how their uncle, that their father for the twins, was abusive. Yes,

(01:11:04):
sammy father doesn't hit him and seem to have found
religion as the way to break the cycle on his side,
but that does not mean that that made him a
figure in Sammy's life that was extremely supportive of Sammy's
pursuit of music and whatnot. So there is a judgment
that comes from the father in this film and the

(01:11:28):
reason we never see Sammy put that guitar down, the
tool that saved his life, is clearly that as a protagonist,
we are supposed to identify. I believe with Sammy over
his father and going you don't need to put the
guitar down like that is your gift, that is your calling.
He just don't really understand you don't need to run

(01:11:48):
to religion and Christianity as salvation because you had a
heroin experience last night. And if anything, it felt a
little manipulative of the father to now. And I'm not
saying he was being manipulative, but it felt like, oh,
you're at your weakest point. You just saw your cousin die.
You just saw something scary out there. Fold yourself up

(01:12:14):
into what I've always wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
You to be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Enjoin my religion and be use your gift only for
the church and all this stuff. That's how it felt
to me. I thought that was a subtext. So I
don't necessarily think that any of us call him a
bad man. He was understanding the world in the way
that he could understand the world. But I just think
we were also not treating him like he's the hero
of the story. Or whatever. It's like, yeah, he's a

(01:12:37):
good man, he's doing the best he can. But in
the eyes of the narrative, they're telling he's not the
answer or the salvation either. He's just he's trying to
do it the way that he can to relate to
his son. But in that moment, it was more about
getting his son in the fold rather than even asking
the son what happened or trying to trying to like

(01:13:02):
comfort him. It was okay, So now it was like
the prodigal son, now that you have returned about down
to the Lord and you know, follow the path that
I've told you to be on. That's what it was.
And so I can see how as a religious person
that would sound like, oh, he's a great man to you.
But to me, I'm like, no, you still not. You're

(01:13:23):
not seeing your son. You're seeing an opportunity for your
son to join the fold. That's it. Uh. This episode
was a ride Rogan three hours, but well worth it.
Future Race Wars, Gender Wars content Hayley Steinfeld gets the
only nomination for Sinner's next genuard. Yeah that's gonna be
a problem. Oh yeah, if that happens, I'm deleting my

(01:13:44):
social media for like, uh, I'll come back when y'all
are done. Yeah, I'm not gonna get a for ray.
They better not. That's all I'm saying. They better not.
But yeah, anyway, I appreciate you writing in jail, and
I appreciate you taking some shots back. Okay, I know
I take a lot of on side of shots your way,
and now I could take them the back, but I
will defend myself. Okay, I'm not no cook. John Baby

(01:14:09):
John says, I've heard a couple of reviews of Centers Now,
but I don't think i've heard anyone mentioned the cameo
by Chris Stone Kingfish Ingram, who was on stage with
Buddy Guy in the scene after the credits. Kingfish was
a blues prodigy as a teenager, and I've been a
fan of his for a couple of years. I believe
he is from Clarksdale, Mississippi too. Anyway, to me, that
was Coogler showing how Sammy had taken a young musician

(01:14:29):
under his wing and was paying for whatever Slim poured
into him during this short relationship with performers. All Right,
that's dope, Thank you, John Baby John. Evie e says,
I still haven't seen Sinners yet, mainly because of the
time constraint restraints recently, and when I do have time,
the theaters in my area are still for I'm still
super excited to see it and will make a point
to do it this weekend. This review made me even

(01:14:49):
more excited to see it. Sorry to Mike, but I
couldn't name a single J Cole song at gunpoint, and
that is nothing against Ja Cole, but I have heard
a couple of future songs, not saying he should be
in the Big Three either. I'm not sure who would
currently be in the Big three, but Kendrick would be
one of them. Not sure who the other two would be.
At the beginning of last year, most people would have

(01:15:11):
said Arby Graham was in the Big Three, but now
he's a joke. Yeah, I think people would still put
Drake into Big Three of his era. I think Kendrick
is in the Big Three of that same era. I
just don't know about the J Cole thing, and I
mean I don't. I don't think it's a knock on
him to say that. I just don't see him as
I see him as a guy that brags about that

(01:15:32):
type of shit. But I don't see him as a
guy who is that type of shit. And it's no
offense to him. He could not step sell out of stadium.
And because of the style he's chosen to have, it's
not very repeatable or influential in that way, meaning there
aren't we don't have no many J. Coles. We don't
have people trying to be J. Cole. We got a

(01:15:53):
bunch of little mini Drakes. We got a bunch of
people thinking they could be Kendrick or glom on the
Kendrick even though he's a singular time in his in hisself,
but it's more intimidating that his skill level is so
unique that I think people are like, I can't even
try this shit. Well Cole, I just think he's just
in his own lane one and he had but and
he hasn't really tried to do a lot of collaboratory

(01:16:17):
work in that he has his people that he has
under his wing. But I don't see him as a
guy who's trying to like be up out front with
every He's not hopping on everybody else's single and all
that shit, and this, which is fine. I've always respected
that about him. Honestly, nerdy sense, say said senters. Use
of Sammy's drive back to his dad churches be both

(01:16:38):
the opening and the post turmoil scenes was executed so well.
As the opening, it feeled the air with dread and
despair as we watched the survivor find his way home
after their death. When it appeared the second time, as
it naturally occurred in a series of events that came beforehand,
it feeled the airwor relief and comfort. I really loved
how that scene was able to carry so much emotion away. Uh.
Something that made me think about how good Sammy is

(01:16:58):
as a person was that I believe he left to
not only follow his dream, but also to protect his
family from any more potential supernatural threats. He was probably
afraid that some other devil might hear his gift, making
his father warning easier to visualize. Oh that's a good point.
I didn't think about that could have been. I just
says I've watched a lot of movies. If I watched
a lot of movies, I would consider sinners. I'm so

(01:17:20):
I'm so fun my friends, not concerts, too many people,
not movies too long. I swear I'm a good time
just this week, I had a three day bender. I
didn't come home for two nights. Oh well, who am
I kidding? It was a neurology congress. Yeah, that does
sound mad born. I mean, I'm sure you think you're five,
but seem kind of boring to me. Tanya W forty
two says I loved Sinners, but I had a similar

(01:17:42):
experience to BASSI. I didn't know it was about vampires,
but I was so focused on avoiding spoilers, I had
no idea. Michael B. Jordan played two roles, so the
first time that smoking Stacker on screen, I felt incredibly
racist because I couldn't figure out which one was MBJ.
Then I realized, oh, face palm. But what a profound,
beautiful movie, relaxed pace at the beginning, with such a
breath of fresh air. I love the world building and

(01:18:03):
the music and the cast stunning. Yeah, them jump scares
at the beginning, though they let you know some shit
was coming. Sinners was definitely more elaborate, but I did
it did remind me of a bit of Penny dreadful
season of Angels. I really wish this show was. That
show wasn't canceled after the first season. Yeah, I never
saw that one. I love Penny Draftfuld never saw the

(01:18:24):
spin off. Ms Barr says, WHOA Sinners has changed my
movie in music life. I have never spent good money
to see a movie in the theater three times, yet
here I am. I've been at the movies every weekend
since Centers open, and when I saw Thunderbolts New Avengers,
I was trying to figure it out, figure if I
can add Centers as a double feature. But I reserve
my third watch for tomorrow for Mother's Day tomorrow. All

(01:18:46):
of that to say thank you for such a good show,
as I always loved Bossy's input on Kendrick and Centers. Also,
I stand won me mos So well, let's go to YouTube.
We got sixteen comments. Here we go. I had a
lot to say. Karen always says that when we have
you guys have a lot to say.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Yes, I know I'm stating, miss obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
I'm sorry, y'all. It's okay. I understand I'm reading a
lot and I need the breaks anyway. Jeanne says, Oh
my god, Karen, thank you for pointing out that the
sex scenes had no nudity. It's so refreshing. That the
typical hard bear skin shock value a void. I rarely
appreciate it. I really appreciate it. The choices made, the centers,
and I had a great time watching it. It's double

(01:19:29):
triple the fun. The post with post movie commentary from y'all,
as Carter says, Remick and wanted Sammy's gifts so that
he could connect to his ancestors. Sammy's gift was crossing
the top barrier of time. He saw him call forth
the ancestors and junk and wanted his gift to do
that for him. He says it when he is baptizing Sammy,
and it calls back to what and he said about

(01:19:51):
vampires being stuck on Earth and not being able to
connect with the ancestors. I agree completely, except I think
what you're what you're replying, my guess is what you're
applying to is us saying that we believe Remick would
have used Sammy's gift to lure in even more people.
And I just don't think those two things offset each other.
I think both ideas work in concord, meaning that and

(01:20:16):
I honestly thought it was a given that they What
you just explained I thought was obvious. The movie says
it right to your face. Well, we were talking about
something which is a little more subtle and a little
less obvious, which is the gifts of Sammy in the
hands of Remick, who has shown himself to be a gluttonous,
bottomless manipulator pit of greed would not stop at Well,

(01:20:41):
now I get to see my ancestors whenever he plays music,
and I am satisfied. No, it would be like, and
now I use him to get every person, every living
human being to get I will gather as many people
as I can now that I have such a powerful tool.
I mean, he was tow he been taking him out.
He was using that band and Joe Whackass picked the

(01:21:01):
Robin Clean music just because that he could get him
to sing it. Like it wasn't even a anyway he
would have used that gift for.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Bad Yeah, And I think at that time Al Drick
said that was the only too he had because all
Drick side everybody else they didn't have Sammy's gifts. Yeah,
so you know, they wouldn't singers and the performers. So
it was like, well, this is all I got, So
I guess this is what we're.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Gonna do imagine he shows up to that black town
they mentioned in the movie earlier and he had Sammy's
gift with him. Yeah, that's what we were thinking about.
So you're not wrong. I think we all agree on
that point. It was just we were moving a little
past that point. TKG one says, great show. Love of
the discussion in the group dynamic, and Minnie says, what
a great convo. I'd be interested to know if you

(01:21:44):
all notice people's eyes glowing. I noticed that Sammy's dad's
eyes was going when he was pushing religion in the
beginning of the movie. I felt that other characters eyes
glowed when they were trying to convince other characters to
do a thing they didn't want to do. Michelle replies,
now the white again. Interesting, I did not notice the
eye going thing. I haven't seen anyone else bring up
the eye going thing. Not saying you're wrong. I just

(01:22:06):
wouldn't need to watch it some more times before I
to specifically look for that, because I didn't notice anything.
I just thought that was the IMAX making these niggas
look gorgeous, right, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Kendrick and Coogler both worked on The Black Panther soundtrack together,
says eb Nest. That's correct, they did, so maybe that's
where Maybe that's why there their art feels sympatico lately.
Wanganji says great panel dope thoughts new Angles loved it.
Alicia said three plus hours. This is a treat. I love,
love love When BOSSI stops by and hey knew, Mike, Yeah,

(01:22:40):
this was so long. I couldn't get my computer to
convert the foul to add the intro and outro to it,
so I had to actually just upload the raw video.
It was like, here you go. Yeah. So if you
guys don't see the intro on this one, that's what's why.
No one said anything about it, though, which makes me

(01:23:01):
think maybe those who didn't like the intro doth protest
too much. No one wrote thank you Rod that four
seconds of my life that I couldn't stand watching a
new intro is gone. No one said that. Why is that? Everybody?
All right? Jenksville says, to defend Cole, I should stop

(01:23:21):
reading right there, because this is my problem. This is
the problem with the Cole fans. He don't really need defense,
He really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
He is who he is, He's in his lane.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
He's perfectly happy seemingly being in his lane. People that
don't fuck with him don't fuck with him. They're not
required to fuck with your favorite artists period. You know,
they don't get it. Let him not get it. I
get you know what I'm saying, Like, this is what
I was saying earlier when I brought up people not
understanding mister Morale. I wasn't writing in today podcast to
try to explain to them. I was just like, they

(01:23:55):
don't get it. Fuck him. I'm right, they wrong. But okay,
I will read this. I just want you to know
that this only harms the cold sit shit. If I
was J Cole, I would actually be a little bit
embarrassed by my fans and their online just way of
like attacking people that are just like I don't. I don't.

(01:24:15):
He's not my cup of tea. It's like, oh but
let me tell you why. But okay, let's go through
this to the fen cod one. Just because you don't
listen to an artist doesn't discredit their relevance. Not really
a valid argument that you can can't name a J
Cole argument. J Cole, I think you meant song when
millions of people can Okay, then why does they even

(01:24:36):
need to be written into our show? You should keep
that internally and be like fuck Bossy's opinion on that.
That's what I would do if I like, we're doing
a podcast. Let's say be Jings for you had a
podcast and you had to talk about whatever the fuck
let's say, music, movies, whatever. Eventually we're gonna get to
somebody you just don't fuck with, right, don't matter how

(01:24:59):
many other people fuck with. I can't make you fuck
with Wes Anderson or whoever you name the person. There's somebody,
because we all have somebody. It's just a fucking opinion. Okay.
I'm not writing any of your podcasts like, oh excuse me, now,
it's fun. It's to say if like I might, now, look, baby,

(01:25:20):
it's an ugly guy. You don't want to hear it.
But I assume this happens to us all the time
in a lot of y'all's heads, and it's fine. I
would probably just be like fuck them and funck their
opinion and move on like, well they not right about that.
People catch strays from us talking for hours a day
all the time. Day dune just just a random bullet
you're like, goddamn, And I'm sure some of y'all enjoy

(01:25:41):
everything that we don't like and vice versa. So all right,
I'll keep going, but I'm just saying it. I don't know.
And the reason I'm pointing out is because J Cole
fans specifically have this issue. It has been I stopped.
I told y'all, I listened to j Cole in this conversation.
I was telling even Bossy would clown him, and even

(01:26:02):
when Mike would like, in my opinion, almost over defend him.
I felt like I was being really reasonable on saying
something over and over and over there. I don't think
anyone was listening to which is I A'm a fan
of Jaco. I do listen to his music. I do
respect his talent and his skills. I like J Coole music.
It ain't the greatest for me, but I think dude.

(01:26:26):
Dude has a lot of skills. And I've noticed this
happens all the time. If you play something and you
don't tell somebody that's Jaco, all the time you'll see, oh,
what is the song us Jaco? That's Jaco. It happens
all the time. But it's just so interesting because I'm
a fan of his. I'm just not a whiny bitch
about it. Not saying you're a bitch, Jamesville, but I'm not.

(01:26:49):
But over the years, a lot of his online supporters
have been whiny bitches. Like it's just like I used
to go on message boards about music, and his fans
got their own reputation as being fucking whiny ass complainers,
and it's just like, y'all hurt his reputation if anything.
And I'm from North Carolina. I want this man to
be succeed and to have a proper place in the industry.

(01:27:12):
He gets a lot of money back, not just the money.
I just think he's overall. I think dude is a
much better guy than he gets credit for. But a
lot of that is not him. It is his fans
and their need to defend every tucking thing he does
as the greatest, and it's just it's just not it's
just kind of whack because unlike Kendrick or Drake, where

(01:27:34):
they're at the top of the sales charting stuff where
you kind of understand stand culture comes along with that,
it's not really their fault. For Cole, he's not at
the top of the charts like that for people to
be like, damn bro y'all really on his dick, and
so I think that's why you end up with all
this pushback where it's kind of annoying. Even right now,
I'm really more responding to what we're doing to show

(01:27:55):
fifteen years fifteen years of annoyance, y'all. Like I said,
I'm a fan, y'all. Don't ever hear me talk about
Ja Cole on this podcast. Why cause his fans are
overly sensitive. I can't say anything that isn't one hundred
percent flattering about this dude without us getting a comment
about him from somebody at some point. So I stopped

(01:28:16):
talking about him, which you think would be a detriment
if you a Jko Fenn and we're one of your
favorite podcasts. When you want a guy like me being like, man,
I fucking love this new J Cole song. I can't
even say when I love his shit, because if I
say anything off of other than that, it's here we
go with the well you know who he went platinum
with no features? I know, Nigga, Yes, we all know. Anyway, Sorry,

(01:28:37):
James Folt, this is not all about you. This is
just my general Cole this is a collection, Okay, yeah,
because I agree with you. I just don't even think
I would write in about number one like, yes, BOSSI
does not respect or like his music. She can't name
a song. Why does that bother you so much? She
just giveing an opinion? It's just Bossing, It's just her.

(01:28:59):
She the one play on her Spotify playlist, not yours. Two.
Cole has shown growth over the years. I don't know
how BOSSI can make that claim if she doesn't listen. Yeah,
so then why are you right now? Self explanatory? Right,
not saying he's had a growth arc as wild as Tyler. Well,
he hasn't, and that's what we were comparing him to.

(01:29:21):
So that's probably what she's talking about. But there's definitely
been progression in subject matter, at least by general rap
stand especially when you think about albums like For Your
Eyes Only. Yeah. My main problem with that is that
I too feel like Cole has not grown as much
as some of these other artists have grown. But if
that was some sort of like you can't be in

(01:29:41):
the Big three, shit, I don't. I don't think that
would apply to J Cole, because if Drake can be
in the Big three three and has shown no growth.
If anything, he's shown regression. If future can be in
the Big three, he has shown no growth over the
years of his career. I don't think growth is required
to be in the Big three co sation. So Cole
is totally germane to the Big three conversation if you

(01:30:04):
would like to have it. He's not in my Big three,
he's not in Bossi's Big three, but he can be
in your Big three. It's not like, you know, there's
no need to push back. We're all giving opinions. It's okay,
But yeah, I just I'm just trying to help you.
Next time you get raidy to write something like that,
take a breath and just go and fuck that opinion

(01:30:26):
and move on because I really don't know. Yeah, this
did not convince anybody. No one who was like thinks
J Cole's not Big three is gonna listen to this
and be like, yeah, man, I'm glad b Jenks for
defended J Cole. He's now in my Big three. No,
so it's okay. Michelle says Remick chose a chose to
song pick Poor Robin Clean about a person being robbed

(01:30:46):
at his introduction song message Michael was spot on. You
can shine, but you can't. Don't outshine me your mind.
I don't think Remick wanted to declan people because they
did not bring any richness to him. He bent both
of them and could only play the Joe. He wanted
to have the culture. Sorry, I'm talking to the screen.
In the comments, Michelle says, chef's kiss, thank you, Sol replied,

(01:31:08):
Remick is the white person who think they are our lives,
but they are not. Chocolate Lady Cap says, I slightly
disagree with Bassi about Donald Glover. It is not that
he doesn't like people. It's more than he dislikes black women.
We disagree, yes, we do. We just disagree. It is
what it is. It's fine. We've covered it in depth,
especially when we did this too much, and we BOSSI

(01:31:32):
and I used to do at Land to recaps on
every episode. The podcast is still available everywhere. If you
would like to hear our in depth thoughts about Donald
Glover and his relationship to black women, you can find
it there. I also think he's been a victim of
the internet hate campaign. Yes, and it just gets out
of control. They can take something where he said something

(01:31:54):
in twenty ten, and they be like, it don't matter
that he's done a bunch of work for fifteen years
that has shown the opposite of this joke he made
in him standing there special. Fuck it. That's who he
is to me forever. And maybe he does hate black women,
I just know that it's not in the work in
that way. And then the couple of examples that people

(01:32:15):
with cherry pick from his work one that offset by
other examples that show that clearly he either took that
commentary in and and and and and and and put
out work that was the opposite of that. I also
noticed that people like the cherry pick stuff that doesn't
make sense. So like he was behind the what was

(01:32:35):
the name of that Amazon show with let me see
uh give me one second, because he did a show
on Amazon Swarm. He was behind the TV series Swarm,
which people went up for. Okay, and and it just

(01:33:01):
does not matter. People are going to see it one
way the way they want to see it, and so
those people are going to always internalize it as he
hates black women. No matter what the fuck he does.
It doesn't matter what the black women that work with
him say. It doesn't matter what the black women he
empowers to be producers, directors, video video it doesn't matter.

(01:33:25):
Those black women don't count. Only people who know him
strictly from Twitter or whatever. Only their opinions count. And
you know, it is what it is, it's built, is
now something that has become its own thing. And even
with Atlanta, what I find interesting is like some of

(01:33:46):
that stuff he didn't even produce a direct it's just
because people don't know how Hollywood works. Some stuff he's
just a name on and some stuff he's literally behind
the camera directing and show running. So it just depends
on your thing. But I would disagree that it's so
blatantly in his work like that, and if if, and
that's fine. If you don't agree, that's fine as well.

(01:34:06):
But I yeah, I think and I don't. I think
BOSSI disagrees as well. And uh, we're on the record
of breaking down his work and telling you where and
where we think he either fucked up or did good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
And also I think for me, particularly on social media,
and I know for Twitter in particular, I just don't
even talk to him because I don't even talk about
Donald Glove, like like even mentioned his name, Donald Global
and or childish Gambino because like, you know, I like him,
I enjoy his music, I enjoy his work. And whenever

(01:34:40):
you would just put anything out there, you just get
random as bots. And some of these people are real.
They would just come out to whitward. Its probably because
they just search his name and you'd be like, I
don't know you to fuck you over here for like,
so so all just said that hate train run runs
deep with him, and a lot of it, I'll just
I come from community too, and a lot of it

(01:35:03):
comes from people questioning his blackness and all that shit too,
like like I remember these things, like you know, and
I'm like, that's a nigga, you know. But yeah, it
was like the whole time from the beginning, everybody it
was like it was like this train just against him
and he just could not do right. And you know,
nobody's perfect and they fucked up. And the thing is

(01:35:24):
when people do the work, they don't have to do
the work in front of you to for you to
validate them doing the work, because it wouldn't matter because
if you don't like somebody, regardless if they do the
work or not, you're still gonna have a problem. So
I think a lot of the work and the critiques
he had, he internalized, it fixed, it corrected some of them,
because nobody's perfect and his work reflected that, and nobody's

(01:35:46):
looking at the reflection of the work on the back end.
It's like they want to catch him in the bubble
and say you are this forever when nobody is their
worst moment for all time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Yeah, so you know, I get it. It's not you know,
it's not for everybody whatever. But I've arrived at a
different conclusion than a lot of people. And that's fine.
I can't whatever they you know, whatever they think is
what they think about it, and I'm not gonna try
to convince them differently. But I watched all that same
shit too. Me and Bossy reviewed all that same shit too.

(01:36:16):
We arrived at different conclusions. And I would say my
last thought on it is I find it extremely interesting
how many people, how many people excuse and let shit
slide that is directly anti black women all the fucking time,
when it comes from different people, and they worship these

(01:36:37):
people as heroes. And yet Donald Glover, a guy who's
done some complicated, intense work that has kind of run
the gambit and had some great portrayals of black women,
some not so great ones. Same thing with black men,
same with thing with every other kind of character on
those shows. It's funny how they just want to stick

(01:36:57):
that only to him. You know, I've had people but that.
Look up the Snoop Dogg and Anderson Pock and shit
and then be like, but Donald Glover hates black women,
you know or whatever. I'm like, I don't know. Did
he ever carry to around on the chains at the
fucking event? Like, you know, I don't know music is
his music? Just calling them bitches and hoes and shit
or what?

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
What are we talking about? So it's just very interesting
what sticks and what doesn't. But that's why you gotta
staff the internet, I mean social media talking to these people.
Uh bro says, please clip a short of the last
ten minutes you had me in tears. Thank you everybody who.
That was a lot of comments. The poe was should
Jacoby in the Big three? Thirty six percent? Yeah, sixty

(01:37:38):
five sixty four percent no, So like overwhelmingly most people
think he should not be in a Big Three. But
I think thirty five percent is a pretty good percentage.
So that's that's not nothing. To sneeze that you know. Uh,
all right, I'm gonna play a song and then we're
gonna see what this voicemail shit look like because I
have no idea what it's gonna what it's gonna sound like. Guys,

(01:38:00):
we have no idea. Find out gonna be real calls?

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Are there gonna be from the prison?

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
We don't know? All right, it's saying we have four voicemails.

(01:38:40):
Let's find out what they How do you even play them?

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
I'm about to find out together, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Double click it. Oh it's at the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Okay, Hey, Rod and Karen, it's Jen. I have a
few more minutes left on the Sinners recap, and I
wanted to call in before the feedback show tomorrow. I
know this is y'all's first feedback episode with the new numbers,
but hopefully this makes it to you. But I just

(01:39:12):
wanted to say thank you for the recap. I love, love,
love when y'all do a deep dive. I love any
Bossy episode honestly, and Mike was a great addition to
the crew, and I love a deep dive episode. I
think the last one that y'all did was the Kendrick
Drake beef and I was just sad, like love it. Yeah,

(01:39:34):
And I just think that y'all made so many good points.
I'm gonna miss so many of them. But my main
one was just like talking about the love Letter to
the South. You know, I am from the Rally area,
so for me, it's just like you don't really see
that a lot. And I have lived in major cities
for the past fifteen years so and that's like so

(01:39:55):
much of a focus of all of these major movies.
So to see something that was just really beautiful depiction
the South was amazing. And It's funny. I've seen the
movie and like a couple of days later, I went
to go work with one of the one of these
producers and I was like, I don't know if I'm tripping,

(01:40:15):
but I put that to the best movie I've ever seen,
and he kind of disagreed. He was like, I think
it's getting highest. I'm like, I don't know, like casting, cinematography, direction, acting, music,
like you know, I'm just like I want to see
I'm going to see it again. I already got tickets
for the IMAX, but the re release here in LA

(01:40:36):
But like, I'm like, I don't know, I need to
see it again, but I mean it's already it's definitely
going in my top five. So to hear y'all expressed
that opinion, it just felt really good because I felt
like I feel like I'm dripping and like I've talked
to people about really loving it, but they just think
that it's hyped, and I'm like, I don't know, y'all
need to take a step back because this is a masterpiece.

(01:40:57):
So I appreciate y'all breaking it down. I don't know
how much time Playy gives me, but I was just
the last thing I wanted to say was that I
know somebody had written in I think you said it
was syncopathy or something like that. Maybe it was on YouTube,
but they had asked about the the Banter song and
if it was on streaming, and I didn't put like

(01:41:17):
that on streaming because I know with like YouTube and stuff,
if you have music that's released, you could get copyright
infringement if you can get pulled. So I think I'm
pretty sure, like it's what why most podcasts get royalty
free music is because they don't want to get that
to happen. So yeah, anything I give y'all, I'm won't

(01:41:39):
put on streaming because I want you to be able
to use it freely. So yeah, but if they want to,
you know, I can give them a link, or you
can send the link I gave you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
I don't they can have it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Y'all are great. I hope you have a great week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
And I talked, oh so apparently it comes off at
three minutes, but you had got most of what you
had to say out, so but yeah, thank you for that.
I appreciate you. We do. And yeah, I'm glad you
enjoyed the us talking with Bossie. I love talking with Bossie.
I'll talk to her all the time. Sometimes it's you know,

(01:42:13):
I'm sometimes I'm like, man, we're having these conversations that
I'm sure the podcast will love to be privy too.
But that's also why you gotta go check out the
idea of podcasts that she has right now, because she's
having these conversations with Mike every week and I listen
to them. They're they're fascinating conversations about real life shit.
So you know, make sure y'all go support her over there.

(01:42:37):
All right, go to the next one.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Okay, Rid and Karen, this is Simone and I just
wanted to say that I have really, really enjoyed these
episodes where we kind of move away from the segments
and you guys just do all the answer or even
like you know, when you talked about your restaurant experience

(01:43:03):
and stuff like that, you guys always managed to find
the funny. And I just wanted to say, like Rod,
if you are ever like concerned that you did not
kind of break it up and find where to put
the ads, do not stress about where the AI chooses
to place the ad because I don't know if it's
just the ads for me or where they break in

(01:43:24):
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
But the ads are.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Always wild, like they pop in it. The transition is crazy,
but it always cracks me up. Sometimes it cuts you
off mid sentence, but it's always funny to me. So
I mean, because I know eventually we're gonna jump right
back in and I'm gonna go back to listening and
enjoying you guys, But I just find that part so

(01:43:47):
so hilarious. And I'm really been enjoying the guess the
race tiktoks. Even when I watch the episode I'm listening
or listen to the episode, sometimes I'll forget and I
guess it's very entertaining. So shout out to you guys
for consistently being entertaining, funny, and just overall dope of y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Bye, oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that because
that's definitely something I think about when I when we
do these episodes, and I literally we need so we
have to have ads to make money. And also because
we work with the Inflection Network, they need, you know,
like they want us to have ad breaks, and so

(01:44:29):
sometimes it's just easier when they're segments because here's a
segment break, here's a segment music boom, throw a ad,
you know, and I know people probably skip a lot
of them. Whatever. I don't care about that part, but
you know it, it still helps to have the ad
markers there. But we just talk. Sometimes I can get
in my own head because I'm like, oh shit, I
don't where am I gonna put the fucking ad And

(01:44:51):
I'm definitely not going back to listen to every syllable episode,
so I can be like, okay, the thirty second mark.
So they have like this thing that generates ad markers
for you, and you have to wait a little longer
when I upload. It takes like sometimes thirty minutes to
an hour afterwards, and it's like, hey, here are some
potential places you can add ads. I don't really know

(01:45:12):
what the exact thing is being said at that moment,
so I'm just trying to find places that are like
spaced out enough for it not to fuck up the
whole experience for y'all, so that it's not like every
five minutes, here comes thirty seconds of ADS or for
this or whatever. I try to make it so it's like, okay,
we recorded for three hours. Four AD breaks sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
That's like you're getting forty five minutes before you get
an AD, then forty five minutes, you know. So that's
how I'll try to do it. So it's good to
know that it isn't hurting the experience too much.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
It's not as somebody who has listened to the podcast.
Whenever you do the AI breaks and in a lot
of times it will pick like a poll. So sometimes
it does stop missing this, which is fine because, like
they say, when it comes back, it just lead just
picks right up where you left off, so it's not
like big disruption, you know, in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
And I kind of hope that some of the ones
that throw y'all off, I hope those are the ones
that get tricked people into listening to them. That way
we get a little more money, all right. I think
the next voicemail is two parts from the same person.
I think it's dre one fifty five seconds once two minutes.
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Okay, So with the new voicemail system, I see they
have you say your name at the beginning. Maybe y'all
might have fucked up. So if you get a voicemail
from all Shit, it's because I meant to say it
was all shit. I see, we got a new voicemail number.
You know what I'm saying, niggas well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
I want you to know what happened was that I
had this thing. I didn't realize this option was going
to do this. It tells you like, hey, put your
other your real phone number in here for like a
secondary line or something like that. I didn't understand it.
I just when I was feeling everything out, I just
filled it out, and it was sending the these these

(01:47:01):
calls to my phone, and then I was supposed to
pick up the phone and say uh one, sending the
voicemailer to answer the call. I don't want that option.
Everybody that called his number take their ass the voicemail,
and so that's why it's turned I've turned that part
off now.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
And the thing is, I'm glad you did because it
sounds like everybody was calling from jail, because all of
a sudden, it'd be like, no da from.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Hey, it's me from Keisha, And I'd be like, why
are we getting calls from the correction? What's happening here?

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
That is sweet it up. Just so y'all know, I
might have made two mistakes in a row. You know
what I'm saying. This is Ray.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
By the way, in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Case you didn't listen to the voicemails anyway, it's nine
eighty zero because if you do, some dude named Walter
Kramer and ship like that. Anyway, I'm glad the voicemails
are back because when Skype was on his phone, shit,
I left the voicemail, and then the next week somebody says, anyway,

(01:48:07):
I'm a callback from my real voicemail.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Okay, okay, so we got to the next one. Then
here we go for this two minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Okay, drag again. Now this is the real message I
actually wanted to leave. So I've been thinking and all
the talks that we be having on this podcast, you know,
the listeners and you are we talk about the Democrats
for Republicans all the time, and I'm starting to feel
like I've identified one of the core issues that causes

(01:48:36):
you to see Democrats ever ever be satisfied. And I
really think it's just an overcorrection to the cult that
is Maga and Donald Trump. So essentially, what I'm saying
is I think that people have watched Donald Trump's followers
become so like unwilling to think, so willing to actually

(01:49:01):
consider what they're supporting, and they just blindly support him anyway,
and we are all so disgusted watching that. I think
It's caused people otherwise well meaning people to overly analyze
and critique the Democratic Party to prove that they're not that,
to prove that this is not a cult in the

(01:49:22):
same way that Donald Trump is a cult. And as
a result, what they've done is put us in a
position where we can never really have anything because no
one will ever give any credit for anything positive that's done,
No one will ever give any kind of grace for
any any oversight or mistake it's everything has got to
be so critically analyzing. It's always got to be. I'm

(01:49:43):
not really a Democrat, but oh I don't really support
the German crats. But and Republicans just never ever do that.
They never ever qualify their statements. They're like, no, this
is why I support and everything they say is right
and I'm not saying it to give these people like
some excuse. It's just what I think is happened. And

(01:50:04):
I didn't say that to say anything else. There is
no solution beyond that. I don't even know that there's
anything that's gonna change it. But that is what I
think is happening, and I've been wanting to say that weeks. Anyway.
I love y'all. Glad the voicemail. Is that a piece?

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Oh man? That is that is a good ass voicemail. Bro,
I completely see what you mean. Like, I definitely agree.
I agree with you on that. Yeah, it's it's it's
really is that simple for people that where I think
a lot of them are like I don't want to
be I don't want to look like I'm part of

(01:50:41):
a cult. I don't want to be like them over there,
and it's like, well, honestly, you just look weird, like
maybe maybe you should be thinking of it more like that,
maybe you should be looking at it more like, Uh,
we need to line up on our side, and we
need to with the people that we're here with, because yeah,

(01:51:02):
I think we're having a very sad result, which is
that people can't be proud of anything Democrats accomplished because
they don't want to look like you know, I don't
know what they think they look like, you know what
I mean, Like that, whether it's a cold or a
cook or just easily satisfied or not righteous enough or

(01:51:23):
I'm compromising or whatever. Everyone wants their own brand to
be like their thing. And I think you're right. I
think you hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
I agree, And so this is the way I kind
of look at it. I look at democrat the same
way as I look at feminism. And the reason why
I said is because when you said the word feminism,
there are a lot of associations with it, good bad,
in the different when you say democrat there's a lot
of things associated with it, good, bad, and indifferent. And
so when you talk to a lot of women, and

(01:51:55):
I'm speaking for me personally, for a very, very long time.
We just have conversations on I Show about feminism and
I'd be like, yeah, I agree, women shall have the
right of drunk, but I don't want to be I
don't want to be labeled a feminist because I don't
want the bullshit that comes along with that. I don't
want the judgment. I didn't want the arguments. I didn't
want the pointless conversations. I didn't want the opinions that

(01:52:17):
I didn't give a fuck about. You're free to do
whatever the fuck you want to just leave me alone
and let me do what I want to And to me,
it was that simple. But what I feel to realize
is that the foundation I'm talking about me, particularly the
foundation and who I am.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
I'm a feminist.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Because and the thing is, when it comes to feminism
and feminists, everybody thinks that their version is the right way,
just like democrats. Everybody think that their version is the
right way. Everybody else's version is wrong. And this is
why you have all a lot of this internal infighting
with feminists, you know, because some feminists think is feminism
to be a stay at home mom. Some think it's

(01:52:54):
a feminist to work. Some have babies, not have babies.
Truth be told, all that is the choice. The choice
is the feminism part. And people get so bad into
the nuances of where we disagree versus saying, I don't
give fuck what you choose to do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
That's feminism.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
You're gonna have a baby, not have a baby, be
at home, not be at home, work, drive, whatever you
choose to do. That's your personal version of feminism. And
and at the end of the day, I should have
the right to have a baby or not. You should
have the right to have a baby or not. You
should have the right to stay at home, and I
should have the right to stay at home. And all
no man, no lawels should be able to tell us

(01:53:36):
anything different. And that's the fundamental thing about feminism. But
there's so many divisions, there's so many subsections. There's so
much argument that's been going on for decades. Same thing
with the Democrats. So much division, so much argument, so
much things that the past has impact, has has impact.
Racism impact both of these groups, you know. Sexism impacts

(01:54:01):
both of these groups, you know. And so that's kind
of how I look at And I'm like, end of
the day, everybody should have freedoms and everybody should have
rights period and all this subsection, all this other shit,
all this critiquing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
It don't matter. It don't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
And it's very hard to get people to think outside
of themselves and realize none of this other bullshit, it
don't matter. It ain't solving nothing, ain't nobody being free.
You know, at the end of the day, you have
to do work. Feminism, you have to do work. Women
have to fight for the right to vote, women have
to fight for the right to drive, women have to
fight for the right to have bank accounts.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Democrats, you're gonna have to fight. You just can't be.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Spewing words that make you temporarily feel good for a
moment and then don't want to take any personal responsibility
when it's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Time for action. And that's another critique that I have
for the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Too many people have too many steps tools and too
many platforms, but they ain't doing shit. But they're consistently
critiquing the one party that is trying to do something
for them and like. And so that's why I said,
I agree with you when it comes to that, and
as somebody is very frustrating because I don't give a
fuck what your issue is or what your matter is.
You should have the right to be here. You should

(01:55:13):
not be deported, you know, like like like, And that's
the foundation.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Of of of it for me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
So, like I said, all these otherisms and sisms and
all these other ships, these are internal personal things that
our people are bringing to the Democratic Party, and they
want to make the Democratic Party be responsible for their
own shit instead of instead of looking at the bigger
picture of what the Democratic Party is trying to do.
If you want freedoms, we are there for it. You

(01:55:41):
want the right to vote, we are there for it.
You want the you want you want the right to
be lgbt Q, we are there for You want the
right to smoke weed, we there for it, like like.
Instead of them looking at what the Democratic Party can
do for them, they're too busy talking about the ship
that is not doing for them. But the other side
is not doing anything. And anything you want to do,
they're going fuck that. Anything that you want, They're gonna

(01:56:04):
we don't care. Our whole thing is. We're gonna kill it,
destroy it. That's what they're doing. They're tearing it down.
We don't want you to have rights. We don't want
you to have freedoms like like, and they're saying it boldly,
and people.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
I feel like don't fail to realize.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Their epathy is an issue and it's a problem. And
when you put that bullshit out, everybody acting like you're
the problem for saying no, I am not the problem.
I'm going to vote Democratic no matter what. And I
refuse to be ashamed. I'm not gonna be shamed out
of voting for my rights and freedoms and somebody else's
rights and freedoms too. And too many people have been
shamed out of it, shamed out of being Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
They've been shamed out of it, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Ridiculous the party this is actually out here trying to
be sure.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
You don't die in the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
People are going, I don't know, I got feelings both sides, bitch,
they ain't the same.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
They ain't And.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
They've been telling you for decades. If you've been paying attention,
I'm funny something years old. I've been vote logging, ain't saying.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I think also, I agree with everything you just said there.
I think also there's the social media aspect of being
an individual and looking like, oh no, I'm beholden to
no one. And this is a deeper level of thought
on it that I'm sure some people will reject what

(01:57:22):
I'm saying here, and that's fine. I find that to
be a spin off of white supremacy. And here's what
I mean by that. Whiteness promotes objectivity as superiority, meaning
I'm so above what is happening. I don't see it

(01:57:45):
as a moral imperative. I don't see it as a
right or wrong imperative. I'm just saying it's all messed
up and I'm above it. I think black lives matter,
Blue lives matter, White lives matter. I think everyone's being tribalist.
I think every isn't that. I think identity politics is
the problem. That's the thing that people say that are

(01:58:05):
conservative and liberal progressive, like they both say that shit.
Bernie says he don't like identity politics as much as
Trump don't like identity politics.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
That is whiteness. It's John Stewart going on the air
and telling us shitting on Bidens is important as shitting
on Trump, because shitting on both of them equally as
hard is what matters. Reality of one of them deserving
more criticism than the other. That doesn't matter. My job
is to find a way to criticize them both fifty
percent of the time, right, That is what I do.

(01:58:34):
And I have to find a way to praise Trump
sometimes too, because no one else will be as bold
as I am. And that is a very white supremacist mindset.
That is whiteness. That is whiteness telling you those are
the values. And what I see is many black and
brown people repeat that where they go in order to
be either in the spaces of whiteness, to be ingratiated
to whiteness, to belong in order to be correct, I

(01:58:58):
need to be above. And so what we say is
shit like I'm not a Democrat. I'm just but and
maybe you aren't. Maybe that really does apply to you.
But I'm gonna tell you straight up, I know I'm
a Democrat. And the other reason that I say I'm
a Democrat, and I say it on this show, and
I think it's important because the party fucking owes me. Yes,
it is. The party will and should respect and live

(01:59:22):
up to the values I uphold as well because I
am part of the party. I'm not on the outside
trying to influence the party to do some shit and
then not voting or telling them I'm gonna no. I
am here to make sure you are accountable. This like
I get that other people want to be Mavericks, and
it's different depending on where you live and all that

(01:59:44):
type of shit. I'm telling you In Charlotte, North Carolina,
I've never had a moment of flirting with Republicans. I've
never even had a point in my life where it
would have been strategically advantageous for me to mess around
with Republicans and conservative They just have not even allowed
that in our where we live. They haven't allowed that.

(02:00:04):
They haven't given us a day to go. I can
see how we need to get in the Republican primary
this time. It's very black and white here, so I
can only speak for here. You see what I'm saying.
So I had the luxury of other places. Yeah, I'm
a lifelong Democrat. I will always be voting Democrat unless
the parties completely flipped the way they did before I

(02:00:26):
was born. Agree, that's the only way I can see
myself being Like I guess I'm a Republican, but I
cannot like they have left me with not much choice,
and I don't find that exercising that choice just to
prove a point matters. Like when Steven Asmith says, maybe
black people should vote Republican for what so they can
take away more of our rights? I don't think So.

(02:00:47):
How about they do something to game our vote the
way that you demand Democrats gain our vote and earn
our vote. Why aren't you saying those things the Republicans
that they need to earn our vote. I don't understand
that logic. So I completely agree with you on this camp. Yeah,
like I said, it's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
But like I said, I might not know everything, but
there are some things that are common sense. Like you said,
that's one thing about being down the South, we don't
have all these luxuries that other parts of the country have.
And so I'm not bullshiting with y'all. I'm not playing
around with y'all. I don't have time for no and
and and people can feel how they want to feel
about this, but I don't have time for for for
all these parties that ain't gonna impact. We are two

(02:01:24):
party system in this country and I and I forty
something years old, and my family is older, and people
been complaining, Well, then y'all need to do something and
create this other party, do the groundwork. If you're not
gonna do the groundwork, baby, it's left or right and
the other party wants me to stay black and die.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
I vote and I vote Democrat. That's it really that
simple to me. You know, everybody trying to do these
Jedi mind tricks around it. When you see the people
that really really push how much they aren't committed to
either party or either side of anything, I want you
to stop and think about it. Why do they say

(02:01:59):
that is because they'll be okay? Why can't they take
a wild swing from extremely Like there was a comedian
I won't say his name just because I don't want
to start no shit, but there was a comedian I
thought that was so progressive during the Obama years. He
was like, I'm not voting Democrat because I'm so progressive Obama,
drone strikes, whatever, right, something, I don't remember what his

(02:02:22):
exact reason of Wall Street, occupy Wall Street, whatever, it was,
some reason he was voting. He was not voting. Then
here comes Hillary Clinton. He ain't voting again, Hillary Clinton?
What about her emails or some shit or I don't whatever.
He found some reasons maybe ninety four crime bill. He's
a white guy, by the way, but he found a reason.

(02:02:42):
Then here comes Trump found a reason not to vote
that time, or you know, not to fuck with Biden
or whatever. And now this man is a transfobe, right
outspoken transfob, like goes up to the marches, transfob. Family,
don't talk to him, no more transfob Right. Yeah, what

(02:03:03):
a wild swing. But you know what he has in
common in every single one of those elections I just mentioned.
He gonna be okay, Right, he gonna be okay. That's
the thing I'm not. I am not Republicans take over
my state. I guarantee you guys, I won't be okay.

(02:03:24):
We're fighting tooth and nail. We're fighting. We just got
our judge to actually officially be confirmed because the guy
who was who lost her election was challenging her North
Carolina Supreme Court seat even though he lost, because he
was just hoping that enough Republicans in power would be like,

(02:03:45):
you know what, fuck is still the election from her.
We don't care that she won the election. Still it
take it because we have the power. That's the fight
we fighting down here. It ain't the same as New
York and New Jersey and Seattle and wherever the fuck
else people are. Now that being said, it can be
the same. Everybody that think they safe, You ain't safe.

(02:04:05):
You won election, you one fucking rule, you want law,
your one criminal case. You're one Republican slush fund attacking
your city from being one of these places. You think
you're safe, Yes you do. No one's safe if you
stop fighting. The fighting is what makes you safe. Yes,

(02:04:29):
and people just don't have to fight at them. All right,
we got voice emails and then we're gonna wrap it up.

(02:05:04):
That's called Tomorrow by DJ Joffe. I love that one,
Brian Rice, and congratulations on your new car driving in
good health and safety. Careen mentioned that it has a
proximity sensor feature. There are several buttons to get familiar
with for a new vehicle, and you're likely to fiddle
with them. At some point. One of those buttons will
turn off the proximity sensor, so if you come to
rely on it for parking, you may wind up hitting

(02:05:24):
something if you don't hear the beeping you're expecting. Been there,
done that, Best wishes and love all your episodes. I'm
beaming with enjoy your enjoyment of the Kendrick Lamar concert. Well, Brian,
thank you. I don't know what button turns it off.
I ain't touching it. No, don't turn it off. Keep
it on. I need that. I like you to. I
don't rely on it, but I because I haven't had

(02:05:45):
this car long enough, and it's the nicest car I've
ever ownso and I know for y'all, y'all are rich,
and it's not y'all nicest car, but it's nice to me.
And I am not trusting the camera and the beeps yet,
I'll still be looking for you too, looking at the left,
look at to the right, too close to the curve.
I'm gonna try. I'm gonna back it up. I know
it says I have room, but I don't feel like

(02:06:06):
I have the room. Let me do this again. I'm
doing it until I feel like to my feelings brown facts.
You don't want me driving it?

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Be like, why are you at the eat back of
the pockelt Because bitch, I don't trust my parking.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
Until I can do We're gonna have to walk the bath. Yeah,
see it right saying but by no means do you
need to read every bullet point feed every bullet of feedback.
I know the show will be fit to be seven hours.
Where are we at?

Speaker 3 (02:06:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Over two hours? Okay, you aren't You aren't wrong. Uh,
it is long, but you know we thought it would
be long listening to y'all loving loving Bossie. She's my
best friend. No, she's my best friend. Was the cutest,
most wholesome black love. I really appreciate hearing two black
men go up for any of my sisters like that
and then not be sexual. I don't think I hear
that enough. I feel you on that said, but yeah,

(02:06:53):
she is awesome. She the best. And look, Mike is
the j Cole of her, of her Big three Black
Men Friends podcast friends. So I'm cool with that. Long
as I'm the Kendrick. I don't have a problem with them.
It's just big me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
The way y'all talk about future is crazy. As someone
who started college in two thousand and eight, Oh just
call us, Oh why don't you? Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
The Nevadias slander is wild as a musician, not as
a person. Similar as a musician, Future Hendrix, the nigga
that taught us French, he taught y'all French French Montana
didn't do that. It's in his name, uh said. Let
him be the one we call when it's time to
be a freak. Got us thinking about putting thumbs and
butts and fucking real sisters. Well that's the thing, you young,

(02:07:42):
I've been on thumbs and butts, so that's new for you.
But like this is old hat for those of us
that have been around for a while. Digital Underground have
been putting thumbs in butts for decades. By the time
Future showed up, you can't I get how you would

(02:08:03):
be like, whoa that he that's the one. But for me,
I'm like, oh, we just sa on thumbs and butts.
We haven't progressed yet. I guess I have to wait
for this man to listen to some aka Nelly. Oh No,
our March Madness will be the last song play. Oh
March Madness will be the last song players. They lowered
me into the dirt that Nigga reminded us that God

(02:08:25):
ain't never left the trap the King low life. I
loved it. I loved that you love Future and that's
why I had him as I think he would be
in the Big Three over j kevill that's all I'm saying.
But you know what that's I feel like that comment
is more for Mike because I don't think anybody else
was arguing that Future wasn't Big three.

Speaker 4 (02:08:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
I think we were all like he got more acclaimed
to it than Jay Cole got and he was the
one acting like well, I never like, I don't even
listen to Future like that. Nigga is obvioushere. You know
how many Future clones there are. It's crazy when you
think about Atlanta rappers because obviously you got g Z,
got t I like, you got those people. But I
would say Future probably spawned the most clones where it's

(02:09:08):
just niggas that do that like auto tune mumbo rapping
type of vibe. You know, the the the I'm on
some pills and some drink type you just want to
fuck some bitches that that that imprint is heavy in Atlanta.
I don't know how you can't give it to them
as an influential rapper. But okay, uh, that's gotta be

(02:09:31):
like a quarterly or bout Angelo. There's gotta be a
quarterly orbout annual rap episode. Y'all would make an incredible
rap show. This episode gonna be have a million comments.
Uh yeah, Like I said, I'll be thinking about that
with the with the I think I have to find
a way to do something with music. I don't I
don't know how, and I don't want to make it

(02:09:53):
so big that it's involving a million people and ship.
But I don't know. I'm thinking about it because I
do like music and listen to music a lot more
than most of the people. And there's so many people
that talk about music. While I'm like, I could do that,
I don't like and look and I don't think. I'm like,
I'm not super deep. I don't. I can't tell you
like the instrumentation on each person and like this person

(02:10:16):
was the drum on that, Like there's people that know
that stuff way better than me. But like I could
tell you some contemporary shit then be like yo, this, Yo,
have you heard this album yet? That type of thing.
So I'll think about it, though, Goddamn, that was a
perfect segue and the Sinners, because that so the religious
experience is so individual. I think that's what a lot
of people don't understand about Beyonce's art is otherworldly, but

(02:10:38):
it doesn't have to be Beyonce for someone that had
that experience. I'm just glad that Sinners gave us an
example of reference, of reference that when that thing, when
the theme that we find most holy is not something
that relates to Christianity or like religion, that spirit and
spirituality lives anywhere a story can be told. That put
that on t shirt. Quentin. While I'm the fuck ahead

(02:11:00):
because the dynamic of the four y'all is very entertaining
and won't like thirty minutes in, I feel the feedback
show might be long as fuck. Saturday nerd Off question
for quick question for you and Karen. If artists or
specific piece of art. If an artist or specific piece
of art, word Finity stars who slash, what would you

(02:11:21):
collect for your power? Godlet my example beyond Say's renaissance
to film. Kendrick Chufouria whacked out Murals Man at the Garden,
Coogler whole body of work, Tony Morrison belove it mex
Coachella said, oh, like five.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
Things, I don't know, five things, you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
I'm gonna save this for the nerd Off. I'm gonna
I'm gonna put this as a question for the next
nerd Off we do that way. It gives Cared some
time to think about it because.

Speaker 1 (02:11:45):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
I just sprung this on her. Is it music related?
I don't know. She was saying, it can be anything
like what would yo things that you like? It could
be you know five things cowboy bebop Okay, Okay, so
he's a DJ, I'm the rapper or whatever, you know
that that type of thing. So give I think we

(02:12:08):
have a nerd off coming up this Friday, so give
us that. That will give us time to think about it.
So we'll give you a more complete list. Please and
and tune in this Friday. If you're a premium person,
tune in this Friday for our Nerd off and we'll
be answering our infinity stones of pop culture questions. There

(02:12:31):
you go. Uh, John Wright said, sinners, good morning riding Karen,
this a long one.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
Boy has something to say. That's the title episode.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Just go ahead and write it down. I had something
to say because that put that on a T shirt.
That is Karen's ship.

Speaker 1 (02:12:53):
Okay, niggas know y'all be talking.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
This is long. They had something to say, didn't they good?
And Karen really enjoyed Sinner's Deep Dive with Bossi and Mike.
I've already seen the movie twice and absolutely loved a
true masterpiece that had so much interesting stuff to say
about America, whiteness and a black lived experience, cultural appropriation, etc.
All done it an incredibly entertaining way. As a musician,
I especially loved the use of music and the incredible score.

(02:13:18):
Not only were the performed songs fantastic and perfectly integrated
to the film, but the score, with his lush strings
and or other orchestral stuff, always had the move just
right for the given scene. A couple of other things
that stood out to me that I love Kugler's use
of the Irish. It would have been really easy and
obvious for Coogler at some point to have a character
tell the audience that, know, the Irish were never slaves

(02:13:39):
in the same way that black people were, with a
big old message. I'm a moment, but I'm glad he
took a much more interesting approach the Irish culture, and
the music in the film was actually really good, especially
the ballad of will Ye Go Lassie Go, which was
beautiful and just dawned on me could have been a
literal question to marry as the lassie, asking if she
would come over to whiteness with the vampires. Think about

(02:14:00):
the initial song pick Poor Robin Klean, one of the
black characters, even muttered some sort of appreciation of the
performance off camera, though maybe I just imagine it because
I saw an interview with Coogler talk about his appreciation
for Irish music and how at least his family fucked
with it when he was growing up. Did you notice
that when Remick and the Vampires reformed that song to
try to get to the entrance to the juke joint,

(02:14:21):
they used choreographed moves straight out of the Temptations for
Tops and other motow acts, mimicking black moves to try
to get in with black people.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (02:14:29):
Makes me wonder if Remick really is a stand in
for Justin Timberlay. By the way, you want to see
Jack o'conno's Remick's range, check out the incredible Western series Godless,
which was filmed out here in Taos, New Mexico. He
is so different we almost didn't even recognize him in
this role. You mentioned the way the camera illustrated a
love for the South, and there was a little talk

(02:14:49):
about other films that have done that. The first thing
that came to mind was our fave Underground Like Underground
Centers used those incredible shots of the endless fields, gun
and styes and always an eye for the beautiful blackness
on display from the cast. It also reminded me of
Moonlight and that respect. Yeah, that's those two good casts. Yeah,
both of those. I thought the character Grace was really great.

(02:15:11):
It was a really great part of the film, especially
when Remick and the other vampire are trying to goad
her into letting them in. It struck me as a
wonderful metaphor for the way whiteness appeals to white ad
Jason poc And will even threaten them that if they
don't join whiteness that kids and loved ones will pay
a serious price. Pretty brilliant and unexpected. Yep, that's a
good point. And finally, whether Coogler meant to or not,

(02:15:31):
I appreciate the fact that he got my timeline debating
whether the one drop rule is still in effect, whether
it's Haley Steinfeld is black. Lol. I do not appreciate
this conversation. I do not appreciate the one drop being
all on my timeline it was so bad at the centers,
I thought it was still going yesterday, and it turns
out I think it's about the Pope because I was like,

(02:15:54):
why are y'all still talking about this one drop shit?
This is get the fuck off my timeline. The movie
is over, who cares who's passing? And I'm like, oh,
it's the Pope. Okay, well go ahead, I go. I
get that's gonna be another week of this bullshit. But yeah,
Secret Black Pope is just too good for people. They
can't pass that up. We love Steinfeld since her superb

(02:16:14):
Apple TV series Dickinson, in which she absolutely kills it
and I had no idea she had Filipino with black heritage.
She was even better than I expected as marrying this film. Bravo,
mister Coogler. Definitely a top five favorite movie for me. Cheers, John.
One last thing I'll point out about her, and even
like Florence Pugh, Marvel is not restricting these actresses and

(02:16:36):
actors from doing other like fun sexy work, like if
they won't get their titties out or fuck somebody or
do some sexy vampire shit in another film, you have
to be a sexual. You can be hawkey. And also
if they want to go see you, like Rod Michael B.
Jordan on Sinners, they can go see that and you
can still be hawkeye. Right. I'm glad we progressed to

(02:16:59):
that point because I feel like I remember, back during
the Cosby Show, Denise did that Denise? Why can't I
draw that actress's name? Fuck Lisa. Lisa Bonnet did a
movie where she it was like a lot of sexy nakedness,

(02:17:21):
and then like Bill Coley's like, get the fuck out
the show, like you can't be out here with the
Phil Floren Phil, And I'm like, what, they ain't got
nothing to do with each other? Like that's a part
of an actor too. Yeah, so it's good. I didn't
even think of that during the recording, or I didn't
bring it up because we've been talking. But yeah, it's
kind of cool to be able to see, like a

(02:17:41):
Marvel actress get out here and do some sexy, vampire
gory killing shit and then shows be hawkeyed next year
and we'll I'll be like, oh, yeah, go get them.
So all right, that's it, guys, thanks for listening. We'll
be back tomorrow with my mom for Mother's Day. I
believe it'd be ten thirty am. If you want to
tune in live free to ask my old questions. If not,
we're just gonna do a regular episode. Uh So, that's

(02:18:04):
it until next time. I love you, I love you too.

Speaker 4 (02:18:07):
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