3102: The Lohannessaince

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Don't talk to me nicely, Talk to us nicely.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
The official weapon of the show is the folding chair
and the unofficial sport and bullet ball extreme extreme extreme.
Lots of stuff to talk about, but first I'll just
ask do you have any banters?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I do? All right? Do you have any? Do you
have any talk to me?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Do you have any answer? Answer? Answer, answer, answer? Do
you have any banters?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Answer?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Talk to me?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Do you have any banter? Banter? Banter, alca.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
My first thing is this might be a thing. I
don't know. I just never have seen it before.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Why we're in twenty twenty five and people use pads
and tampons. I've never seen a pad or tampon machine
that doesn't require that requires coins, and I've never seen
one where you can like tap the pay. All the
machines are normally like on a wall or something like that,

(01:52):
and it's normally like twenty five fifty cent. I was
thinking a lot of people don't carry cash like and
coins like on person. So if I'm somebody and I
have an incident and I'm in a bathroom and I
don't have change, how.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Am I supposed to get your product?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And I'm wondering how many how many of those things
do they actually sell? Because I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Thinking, y'all don't have something on this machine, something on
this contraption that allows me to just boot and fifty cent,
you know, twenty seventy five cent a dollar or whatever,
and it just rolls out every single one I've seen
in my lifetime. Like I said, y'all might be living
in the future, but I've never seen one of these
machines and this put out business if they even have

(02:37):
them in the bathrooms anymore, that actually allow you to
pay electronically. And it's very confused because in my personal opinion,
those should be free in public restrooms because things happen
and everybody doesn't have the money, and sanitation, particularly menstrual sanitation,
is extremely expensive. Men don't give a fuck because men

(02:58):
don't have to pay for the shit, But it's expensive
and it happens moughly, and it cap is consistently, and
that shit adds up. It depends on your body and
things like that. You know, it's different, you know levels,
different types you have to using things like that. It's
it's and I know it could be very frustrating, particularly
for people that are unhoused or homeless. It is it

(03:19):
could be very frustrating because just because you ain't got
no where to live, it don't mean the shit don't
happen to you, just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So what what is the name of the machine? Like,
what's it called? I don't know anything about this because
obviously they don't have a men most men's bathroom.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
I don't think they have like a machine. I don't
think they have like a quote unquote brand of machine.
It's just like when you go into most women's bathrooms,
it's normally like bolted to a wall, and you see
it like paths and tampons.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So sometimes it's.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Just you said, it's a vending machine or something.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
That well, it looks like a vending machine, but but
it's not actually a Vendom machine. It's set up similar
to a Vendom machine. It's like you stack them in
there and you twist at the bottom and it falls out.
So that's why I said, like a Vendom machine.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
But they only take change.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yes, they normally take change. It's like fifty five cent
you know.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I've in my lifetime, I've never seen one where you
can just tap to pay on them. And I was
thinking about that the other day. Oh dispenser, thank you.
But in my mind, I'm like, well, if I'm somebody
and I don't have the five And the thing is
I've been in some particularly.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Some like fancy places. Well them shits is like candy.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
They everywhere you could just go, you know, and that
they're not locked up or or anything like that. Do
you go to other places and it's just like you're
gonna pay out of pocket for this?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Uh, let's see what was I gonna say. I don't
know how to follow that.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Anecdotally, Diddies influence in hip hop media scenes very apparently
apparent from just my limited Like I said, anecdotally, I
haven't done a study on this, but just for my
limited search of article and stuff for the show I'm
subscribed to, you know, a few hip hop blogs just

(05:07):
to get like the email that's like, here's the news
of the day. And because he owned so much media
like Revolt, and so many people were so friendly with
him and had some ties in the industry, it is
honestly a little bit disheartening and maybe even embarrassing to

(05:30):
see the way a lot of black publications are covering
the Diddy trial. Like I said this on my Facebook
and I was like, you know, it's kind of sad
to see how they're like in the bag, you know.
And I know that a lot of these blogs, no
matter how much affection people have for the mess and

(05:50):
the shit on them, I really soured on them in
the last few years, mostly because I saw the disinformation
they pedaled for Trump and during the conspiracies they promoted
and stuff, because ultimately they don't give a fuck about
us as people, and they are there for what gets clicks.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
They're not there for what hells the community, and.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So spreading transphobia by showing like Dwayne Wade's child and
being like and knowing that people are going to be
transphobic into comments and just kind of allowing it because hey,
people are clicking and they're arguing in the comments. But
every time they argue, that's more views for me. The

(06:33):
vaccine information, giving Trump credit for stimulus checks, like I've
seen it all. So it's not that I hold these
places in high esteem, but you know that this is
the news for black people in many cases, or for
hip hop culture in many cases, and a lot of times,
you know, they're a reflection of the culture. Many of
the men in hip hop and that are rappers and

(06:55):
bloggers and talkers and whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I have a lot of misogyny.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So it's not like I expect the blogs to be
better than academics Joe Butten and Charlemagne, the people that
are like bigger than you know, the biggest voices in
hip hop media. But it is a little disheartening to
see like how obvious the spin is. Like they'll cover
something from the Ditty trial as if it favors Diddy

(07:21):
and then skip other stuff. So like today I think
it was like Ditty's assistant was testifying in the courtroom,
and it was she talked about you know, abuse and
being kidnapped and watching him abuse Cassie and stuff like that.

(07:42):
And then when you go look at like the headline
from All Hip Hop, it's Diddy was strapped over a
problem with fifty cent according to ex assistant. Now, that
may be a thing she talked about, but in this
case about Cassie, the headline would probably be something about

(08:05):
how his assistant says she was kidnapped, how she said
he had a gun and was threatening to go kill
kid Cuddy, How he didn't pay her, how he abused her,
how he locked her in a hotel room or in
a room at one point for five days, and make
it take a lot of detective tests to see if
she had stolen some jewelry from him and threatened to

(08:27):
kill her and throw her into East River, stuff like that. Right,
you would think this would be the headline, and instead
it's some like bullshit, And.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I know people go, well, this is just one article, guys.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I've been looking at these articles for like weeks now
to cover the cover on the show, and it's like
I go to the AP to get my news about
Diddy and shit, because so much of the salacious details
are the ones that they're deciding to cover are just
crafted in a way that's like to it almost lightens

(09:02):
the case. Like oh, Diddy's assistant says he had bottles
of baby oil and cameras in a bag, and I'm like, well, okay,
but that's not what the like. I think if you
were covering something he kicked Cassie while she was in
the fetal position several times in front of me, would
be a bigger headline than Ooh, he's a.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Freak, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And I just it's just, you know, it's not funny,
but it's just one of those like, man, it's really sad.
And I've seen you know, other blog spaces and stuff
kind of cover it similarly.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I mean, he's in jail, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now maybe they think he's gonna get out and there
like when he gets back, he's gonna certain control of
the media or the iron Fist, and we don't want
to be the blog that you know, said anything bad
about him. It could be that simple, but man, it
was really uh, really disheartening.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, I could see that, and also this, in my opinion,
I'll will continue to say this. This is what happens
when the media is it's not for education, the media
it becomes entertainment. This is what happens when people don't
want to pay for news that they don't want to
pay and they expect everything to be free. Well, these

(10:11):
platforms still have to make money in order to exist. So,
you know, particularly as everything shifted from like from the
offline to online, the requirements lowered because.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
They was like, hey, we are here in the wild
wild West.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Which is the Internet, and everybody's trying to learn, and
everybody wants everything for free, and nobody wants to pay
for anything online.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, I think it's not just paying, right, because like
the AP is covering it differently, the uh the thing,
and I think this trial is so salacious they can
get clicks by saying what happened, Like, I don't think
they were making the decision. It said, you know what,

(10:57):
the biggest most interesting detail is he had a gun
in case fifty cent ran up on them. I'm pretty
sure if you ran a headline he kicked Cassie in
front of us here at a birthday party, it's probably
gonna get some clicks.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like It's like, I don't think people are like I
ain't clicking on that.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I think they are one hundred percent making an editorial
decision to not put be to.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Damning to him.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Meanwhile, there are places that I do know do shit
just for the clicks, right, like the New York Post,
which I'm also subscribed to them, and they'll send out
an email Diddy's Exorcist. I was just looking at one.
Diddy's uh Sean Diddy comes exorcist. He tells Jerry Mogo
kidnapped her to help kill Cuddy. They're not this is

(11:44):
the New York Daily News is not some like man
with just a bashing of journalism.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
They won't clicks. They know that that will get clicks.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So I think these blogs actually for going clicks to
be like we look like we going in on Diddy.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
They're afraid of their comment section, but you know they
got When.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
You build a brand on like this weird ass like
black conspiracy, weird shit, when you build a brand on that,
When you build a brand on discrediting Megan thee Stallion,
when you build a brand on you know, discrediting Cassie
just you know, discrediting.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Victims of people.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
When you build a brand like that, or the people
that run you uptimately at the top either have relationships
with or are abusers themselves. I feel like you create
a comment section that is ready to go off on you,
like while we always sharing the negative about the and
so people don't want to deal with that smoke. So

(12:42):
maybe they're just not publishing it for that reason too.
I don't know, but it's just it's a sad state
of affairs.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, And I think it's a collaboration of things you did,
bought up a good point to where, like you said,
you've cultivated this audience in your audience's reflection of you.
So I mean, so if you could putting trash out there,
you're gonna have a trash ass audience and basse and
shit like that. You're gonna have a very homophobic, a
very misogynistic fan base of people that abuse people and

(13:10):
all types of shit. And so the thing is, and
you're gonna have enough food mining where people are like,
don't be talking about no black man period. That's some
people's point, and they don't go they have no critical thinkings.
Gives beyond that point, I'm gonna fuck about what did
he did? They're a black man. He's a black man,
so I gotta depict defend him, and give a fuck
about what kind of abuse that he did to our
own community that I claim that I love and I

(13:33):
care about, bit you don't, and some I do agree
with you to where like you said, any of the
time that shit, I agree with you. Any other time
that shit would have been front page blasting everywhere, and
it had been the shit that everybody would have been
talking about. But like you say, because of his influence,
because of his times, because of his relationships, he's been

(13:54):
doing this shit with thirty forty years whatever, like for
a long ass time, and so people don't want to
lose access, access to him, access to people that fuck
with him, will have relationships with him, and shit like
that too. It's like we don't want to lose access
to I don't know, but it might not just be human,
but like we just we just don't want.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
To lose access.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I don't know if it's supposed to be like some
black solidarity. I don't know if it's supposed to be uh,
we were covering for this man. All I know is
that it's a real sad coverage of it. And like
I said, it's it's so obviously slanted towards let's let's

(14:30):
give almost his perspective or just the most non damning
perspective on Ditty in these headlines. Another one freak off
sex worker, the punisher breaks silence, thinks he helped Ditty
with testimony exclusive. Diddy's lawyers snap on expert witness, won't
junk science testimony tossed. You know what I'm saying, Like,

(14:51):
those those are headlines that make it seem like he's
you know, another thing they'll published. I saw a lot
of times over the last six months looking at different
publications that were hip hop, black base win for Ditty
as this is thrown out or as women do have
to say their name but not they won't like cover
the losses for Diddy that are obvious as well. So

(15:12):
it's just it's just something I've been noticing. Some other
people say they noticed it too, and I saw them
say stuff like I'm gonna this is why I go
to TikTok to get my coverage or Twitter, and I'm like,
I just want to go to like the AP or
USA today.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I'd rather I really would.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Like journalists who have sources, who talk to people who
have editors. I really prefer their coverage of it because
even these bloggers and stuff, a lot of them are
cloud chasing. A lot of them aren't experts, a lot
of them don't really have any insight into anything.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And the trial is over to the public.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
So if you want to wait in line long enough,
you can get in there, get in the overflow room
and say, hey, I was at the trial, right, But
that's not the same as you know, to me being
an expert who's covering it.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, and in my opinion, and maybe this is the
way of it was so fucked up. The way that
they're doing this a lot of times is the way
a lot of white media covers shit about white people,
and some of these same hip hop articles, and she
like it would be outraged, be.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Going, why ain't y'all telling the truth? Why an't y'all coming.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Out with all the details, like like like would he
listen to you talk? So it's just a reverse of that,
it's still wrong. My thing is, I'm gonna type.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I want facts.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I don't want shit filtered. I don't want shit slanted. Who, what, when, where,
and why and how reports And so I'm like you
when it comes to it, I want a real source.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't mean no harm like the TikToker child. No
people ain't no experts.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Most of them don't have degrees and they're not experts
in something you know.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
And so my thing is I want.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Facts so that so that when these things come out,
you can listen and make educated decisions based off of
what really happened. And it's not being filtered and you're
not actually getting the truth or everything is slanted because
the thing is slanted. News also stars this conspiracy theory
bullshit because you're not actually getting the truth. Okay, My

(17:08):
next one is hold on, I want to set my phone.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Shit, damn. My next one is me and Rondick went
to an AMC.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
And child, I don't like a ghetto ass AMC mm hmmmmm.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
And when I mean ghetto.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Ass AMC movie theater, the AMC movie theaters, I don't
like an AMC moved theater, but she's don't move. Me
and Roger went to the MOO theaters and the seek
didn't move. But I had to sit up straight. I
was like, bitch, I gotta sit up straight to the
whole movie theater. What the whole movie?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
What is this? I couldn't move, I couldn't recline.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I guess I guess I'm bougie because I'm I was
looking at them like, ooh, child, the Ghetto, the Ghetto,
and it.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Was like a three hour movie. I was like, what the.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Hell is this?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It bothered me, the fun bombing me.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
That's valid.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I definitely uh. I thought it was like, uh, I
was not used to that. I thought we had done
away with those, right. I thought AMC had basically went
and refurbished all that theaters, and I thought that was
one of the newer ones. I thought they had refurbished
all of that theaters. We went to AMC North Lake

(18:21):
for those in Charlotte that that care.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I thought maybe it was just that room or whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But it was Imax, so you would have thought like
Imax is where you get all the.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Best seats and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
But yeah, you're right, it was not. It didn't even
like recline your defeat park didn't come up. I don't
even really use that thing that often, but I definitely
noticed that they didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, I do, because it's just a little comfortable.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
A lot of people use it, most people do, and.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
So you know, we sat down.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
I'm looking then I realized, oh, this is just like
a regular ass old school movie see, And I should
have known. I should have known someone's wrong when I
walked in there and it was more ceased and average
because a lot of times those those cushy seats, they
actually got less seats like in the theater compared to
like the old school.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And I was like, damn, there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Of seats in here, and something shit have triggered, Like
there's a lot of seats in here because the seats
are like half the size, so they can't pack bitches
in here like they used to back.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
In the day. But I'm I'm like, no, I like
the space.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
This is not the I'm not paying dollar theater prices,
so you know, this is not the I like the space,
you know, because now you're not like up on somebody
with like an inch room and shit like that, you know,
with a cup holder. Now I'm used to the plushness
and so you know, things like that. And so when
we when we went in, everything went forward and the

(19:42):
people acted counter that was ringing was doing your popcorn
was also the people.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
That was scanning in your tickets. I was like, oh, okay, guess.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well that was that was different.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
That was because we came to a special showing that
started at two okay on a Thursday, instead of four
o'clock like they normally do, so I think we were
there earlier than they are used to having ticket taker people.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
When we left, they were there okay. At any rate, though.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I definitely feel I did that was not an enjoyable experience.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I saw a trailer for a movie.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I think it was like Freaky Friday or Freakier Freakier Friday,
I think it's what it was called, and Lindsay Lohan
was in it, okay, And I went and looked up
her like im dB, because I feel like I've been
seeing her a few places lately, and I noticed she

(20:45):
had like she had stopped, you know, she went through
some stuff mentally and all this stuff, she had stopped
acting so much like I saw, like you know, twenty
you know, twenty two thousand, nineteen ninety five, in two
thousand and four, two thousand, you know IMDb, it's like
work work, work work, and then at some point of
course it like slowed down, you know, pretty tremendously when

(21:07):
she was doing like less than a project a year,
like in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
She did through two movies.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Twenty fifteen, she did two movies, and in twenty eighteen
she did TV show you know, like it was just
and then twenty nineteen one Thing, twenty twenty one one Thing,
twenty twenty two two Things, and now in twenty twenty
three and twenty twenty four, she's done.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Like seven or eight projects.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And I just want to know, are we calling it
a Lindsay lohannaisance yet, because I feel like she done
came back, y'all. I feel like the Lindsay condacience. I'm
here for it. I feel like it has begun, and
I think we need the coin thiss if no one
else has done it yet, be cause you know, we
we love to see it. I think a lot of

(21:52):
us were rooting for her when she was going through it.
So I'm here for the Lindsay Locana lehonnaissance. And now
I wonder if we'll see the uh you know, I
might even go see Freak Your Friday.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh that's a good one. I call myself.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
I bought some flaws and I don't I've never had
this happen to me before. Normally, regular flows is like thin,
like really thin, wiry, and I don't like it because
you have in my opinion, with regular flows, you have
to work so fucking hard to get in between your
teeth because it's so thin, because some of my teeth
has like a little bit of space in them. So

(22:32):
I get like thicker flows so that I can actually
get in between my teeth, and I actually get a
lot of the crap out in between my teeth, and
like one or two spikee versus me like digging to
the left, digging to the right, Like all that fucking
digging to me.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
This two time consuming.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
And so I don't know how I did this, but
I bought some flaws, some thick flaws, and baby, I've
never had flaws that felt like plastic. I like was
like okay, and I put it in my teeth, baby,
and it was just like.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Rubber like plastic in my teeth. It was the worst
floss my life. It wasn't comfortable. And I threw that
bitch in the trash.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I was like, who's the flows They teeth with plastic?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
This is terrible. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Flows.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
People don't want to floss with plastic, like it was
a plastic bag.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I haven't had that issue is it cheap flass or something?
Where'd you get it from?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I ordered it online because I like the I like
the glide as it glide of glade glide glide flows
because it's thicker, and then it is you don't have
to it gloss between your teeth easier, so you're not,
you know, fighting on hard.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
And so I'm like, was it glad or is something different? Why?
Why is it different than the flash you had before?
It is my question?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh and uh? And when was called?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Like I think that one was called like the regular
one and then almost like some kind of deep uh
like deep thing whatever, like like deep flows, and so
the regular one it just felt like I took a
plastic bag and was trying to floss with it.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It was terrible. And I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I don't know. I don't know what is being lost
in the question I'm asking.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Okay, I'm sorry, but what what?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Why? Like was it a reason you bought a different
one if you already.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Liked I thought it by mistake.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
I thought I was because because they both was like
we we thick flows. So I just bought it thinking
it was like regula ass thick floss, like the number
one I normally find, and I.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Guess I think it was the same brand or it
is a different brand, that's my question. It was the
same brand, just a different type of thick.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
And I did not realize that people like to floss
their teeth with flastic bag.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Shame on you. That's a terrible idea.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was nasty tasting, and nobody wants to floss with
a plastic.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Bag, Okay, understood.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Uh, now that I think about it, I'm not sure
what BlackBerry molasses had to do with anything that them
kids was singing about.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
And that's so.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
I was an adult when I found out what my
lasses was, because my mamma, I know.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
What BlackBerry my lasses is. Is that what the song's about?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's not like ingredients or how to cook it or
how to make it now? And I don't know when
the last time you heard that song, but that song
is fucking depressing. And I don't mean because it sounds sad,
like everybody knows it sounds sad.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
That don't mean shit.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm talking about this ten year old in nineteen ninety
six in this group. Mister, there's no way he wrote
this song. Ten year olds don't think like that.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
If a ten year old thinking like that, God damn baby,
what you've been through?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Like this song sounds like it's about suicide. It's an
old Negro spiritual type song. It's it's very like, what
was going on in this little boy's life and why
didn't we put him in some sort of like oversight
from like a foster care person, send social service, house,
welfare check, something.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
That maybe got adult problems at ten.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Woke up Sunday morning. Got a little bad news today.
They say my life ain't worth living and time is
slowly taking away.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Nigga, you are twelve? What and who is giving you
that bad nigga?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
What kind of bad news you got? I gotta see today?
The fuck is dance?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Hey, your life ain't worth living? News alert, breaking news.
Don't think I'm going crazy because starts keep running through
my head. I know I gotta be strong, gotta hold on.
Sometimes I'd rather give up instead sometimes like seems like
I'm better off dead.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
That is suicidal ideation.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, something they had this little kid singing and shit,
some adult was going through something.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
It was like baby singing this song.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
And the choruses BlackBerry molast is one of the things
that never changed. What do you mean, never change? It's
gotta get better than this.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I hope so, baby, I hope you found peace when
you got older.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Thet them little boys was not living this kind of lane.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Right That baby sounded like he had working bills, had
a fall one k and work for the union.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Now is this?

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Don't tell me how to live my life after all
that we've been through. Don't want to live out your
hardships because I've been there myself a time or two.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You are a time or two already.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
WHOA? What kind of life of it? What kind of
life of you live? Baby?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So many things you'll survive once you realize there's no
such place as.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Paradise, at least in my eyes. And then the rest
of the chords is just singing BlackBerry molasses. That the
rest of the fucking song.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's just black beerry molasses, rest of the song?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Why did they lie let this happen?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
This is not okay.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It is not okay for kids to be singing this song.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Is mister Steel with us?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
The group that's I doubt it like that was part
of their only hit.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, I'm worried these kids did they just drive
the tour bus off the side of a fucking clip
a bridge And like y'all, we was crying out for
help the whole time.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Y'all didn't know nobody paid us any attention.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Listen to the words we're telling you we need help.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
We was up there with City High as far as
depressing songs go.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
When y'all just laughed, y'all.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Just thought it was so funny. Yeah, they gotta They
got a picture on Facebook. Uh, let me see if
I can share it with y'all. Mister was an American
R and B group blah blah blah. And then look
at these kids.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
These are baby they was children.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Ironically, when they grew up, they like i'd say, a
good two or three out of the four looked like
they the song applies.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
They them been through some shit.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
That that is I was. I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
What made me listen to so I think I just
couldn't get out of my head one day and then
I was just like, wait a minute, did.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
What those children singing?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
And ship?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
What is happening with people? But yeah, so that was
that was my last.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Thing, no problem, my last thing. Uh, it's kind of
it's kind of bittersweet. And one of my family members
had called me, uh the other day, and they thought
they and they have a slight from a dementia, and
they thought they was talking to my mom and my
aunt de raised me and Uh. I just talked to

(29:31):
them like normal and had a great time with them,
and and and and was glad to hear their voice.
But I just let them talk. I didn't stress them out.
I just went with the flow. Wherever they took the
conversation as well. I took the conversation.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
And it was just.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Wonderful just to sit in and talk with them. And
I put it online. I was like, I didn't want
to stress them out or be like, no, you got
the wrong person and it's not me and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know what's interesting is I they don't I've heard
you're not supposed to do that. So I don't even
know what the rules are for that, but I've seen
people say like, no, you are supposed to correct them,
and it's you're not supposed to just go along because
it adds to the confusion and all this stuff. I
really don't know what the answer is on that, but

(30:19):
it's just you know, to me, It's just one of
those unfortunate things. And I don't know how you handle it.
And obviously you're on the phone, you're far away, right,
But you know, I don't know what, like why you
are supposed to you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I don't know no, And it varies per person, but
I know I'm not doing that. It's to me, it's
not worth everybody getting frustrated, them getting frustrated, me getting
like to me, it's my personal opinion, it's not worth
the correction, particularly dealing with people like that because a
lot of times it's a reset, because my mama had dimension,
it's reset. They remember things sometimes sometimes they don't.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You never know where they're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
And my thing is, I want to enjoy the moment
with my family member who want to be fun with somebody,
even if they made an error, they make mistakes. It's like,
don't about want me fussing and holling and yelling at you,
and you don't want it either, And so in my opinion,
and so for me, it was just really really good
just to hear their voice.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And just to talk to them.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
And so I had called my mama and I would say, Mama,
just want you to know your brother called me by
any error, just in case, you know, somebody says something
about you know, him calling me.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I just want her to be informed.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
But it was, like I said, it was a very
happy time because you know this particular femindment. They don't
really call me that office. So that's why I say, oh,
you calling for my mama, and we was talking. They
never used my name, so.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
You don't know that they didn't know it was you
or you just suspect they didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm suspecting they didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
They assumed that the person that picked up what was
my mama, just because of the way they was talking
and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well it's I did look it up while we were talking.
Alzheimer's dot org dot dot UK does say not to
correct them, so it says you don't have to correct
every mistaken but leaf it also said you don't need
to remind him like your brother died ten years ago,
you know, uh, try not to get frustrated and say

(32:10):
stuff like I just told you that.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So there you go. It's so, yeah, you did that,
you did good.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, so and and I think I did too.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I just didn't know the rules, and I was
like hoping, honestly, when you start talking and bringing this
up on the show, I'm like, please, God, don't let
some motherfucker write in and then be like, I don't
know what Karen was doing because then I'm you know,
it's gonna be ugly, but but you know it sounds
like this, Uh, this is the advice that people are

(32:38):
giving that are professionals.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Right, and particularly with my biological mama before she passed,
my mama's sister before, yeah, my mama's sister before she passed,
she went through these facees and so that's kind of
how I got adjusted to it, because she would call
on and sometimes she wouldn't know exactly who I am,

(33:00):
and then sometimes she would think I was her sister
and things like that. And so for me, I've just
realized life is too short, and so why am I
fussing at you?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Why am I raising my blip for what? For who?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
For Why you're you're talking somebody. You're talking to somebody
who isn't like a their brain isn't normally functioning. And
so for me, you just adapting to just and like
I said, and enjoy the moment. You do not know,
if it's going to be your last and last thing
you want to remember, it's fussing with this person, particularly
if they're a family member or a loved one. So

(33:32):
I just I just, you know, I thought about that one.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, no, that makes sense, and uh, you know that's
I think, like I said, that seems like the way
that they want people to handle it. All right, So
this is not really a random, a banter thing, but
it's been well, I guess kind of is banter. But
there's this dude that's been going viral on social media

(33:57):
lately with his podcast Grits and Eggs.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I was to a couple of episodes. I think it's
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Whenever I see clips, I always think he's spitting good ship,
and but when I listen to him, I also am like,
it reminds me a lot of just things we've talked
about in this show, reminds me a lot of things
I've talked about that we've read.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Not that I agree with every single thing.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
No one can agree with everybody's whatever if you have
a podcast, right.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
So it's not that.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
But his name is Deontae Kyle, and I mean his
show is blowing up like he's really good at these
clips they sharing on social media, like like this is
going viral all the time. It's him and a couple
other people that I see kind of like blowing up

(34:43):
in that lane, which I'm very happy for them, and uh,
you know, rooting for those dudes because I feel like
we do need people like this, and I feel like
not enough people are like this, and there's a social
pressure as a black man to you need to conform,
you need to be quiet, don't say it that way,

(35:04):
you hurt my feelings, right, Sometimes sometimes black men themselves
will and I'm not saying fuck your feelings, I just
want to be clear, but sometimes black men themselves will
weaponize hurt feelings in the way that you know, like
a white woman will do sometimes where it's like, well,
you didn't say it right, like RG three just did.
RG three is like, you didn't say it right, so

(35:27):
you need to apologize, and was.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Considered right, Yeah, Ryan Clark did apologize, right.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
So he had this clip that went viral, and it
was one of those things where like I felt this
coming this moment because I remember when I tweeted black
men are the white people black people and the reaction
to that and just you know, I remember arguing with
niggas and shit, which is you know, in hindsight, it's

(35:54):
mostly embarrassing of just how much I let it get
to me, to amount of push back and try and
explain it to people and convinced them like I'm not
a bad person. I just think of this and not
what I'm really talking about is male privilege even within
a group that is oppressed and blah blah blah, And
it just wasn't worth it, mostly because it wasn't worth
the mental headache for me. Now, not that I disagree

(36:15):
with the sentiment. I might phrase it differently, but I
but privilege, of patriarchal privilege is a real thing, even
if it is not a one to one like I'm
not calling you white. I'm saying you're a white person.
But but you know, motherfuckers, when they can weaponize, they
hurt feelings.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
You know, there was people making blogs about me.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Somebody left a I'm in this comment on a picture
with me and my knees, right, you know. So it
was like, so basically I've been on the side of
the object to these people, like the person they're deciding
to target. Oh, I just realized it might not let

(37:00):
me know if this plays the audio.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Guys, the final frontier for us in this community, we
have a host of issues.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, I'm gonna stop it right there. Did it play
the audio this time? If not, I'll switch it to
a different app, a different different browser, because okay, yeah,
it's been doing that late.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And and like you say, iron put like this.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
When it comes to things like this, I guess my
thing is, if people are determined to be offended, there's
nothing you can do, nothing you can say, there's no
way you can phrase it to make them change their minds.
And so that's why I say, for some of them,
people fuck your feelings, because it does, it does, It
does not matter.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I was not saying you can't say that. I was
clarifying that that's not my stance. I'm not a fuck
the feelings of black men person like I think. Uh,
the part of the gender war thing is to make
us I feel like the paint with broad swath swaths,
forget our real lived experiences, forget the outliers.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
The outliers become the norm, the and and then.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
The hyperbole becomes what gets the most like response.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
So you're saying things in a way. That's hyperbolic, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And I and my goal is always to communicate clearly
and authentically, And so that's why I wouldn't like, there's
there are niggas that I feel like, fuck their feelings,
for sure, but at this point I would when we
were just talking, we weren't just talking only about them,
but just in general. Yes, like, no, I do understand

(38:46):
your feelings are valid, they matter. It does matter how
people talk to you. It does matter is you're not
no one's no one period likes to be talked down
to as a group.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
How people are expecting something front.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I agree, agreed.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
So that's the only reason I wasn't correcting you or whatever,
just saying, Okay, you can feel that way.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Other people can feel that way.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
When I said that, I wasn't thinking fuck y'all feelings.
I was thinking to myself, like, no, y'all understand what
I'm saying right Like, like we all have been We've
all experienced this as men. There's certain things in our
community that aren't okay. And if we're gonna have this
patriarchal privilege, we should also be using it to protect
each other, to look out not just for not just

(39:32):
for women, not just for children, not just for LGBTQ
people in the community, but also your your fellow straight
black man, because he's a little love and and and
kindness too. It's not just a I'm shitting on us
type of thing. But anyway, so he put this out.
It's three minutes. I don't know if I played all thing,
but obviously you can guess the response after hear this.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
The final frontier for us in this community. We have
a host of issues. We have a host of issues,
but our biggest issue is this perceived gender war because
it divides us in half. It literally splits us right
down the middle. Black men, the qualities that you have
that will make you a success in the street, a

(40:18):
success in athletics will also make you a success in education.
But we're putting all we have to get it quick,
and I get it. I get it. Women ain't gonna
fuck with us if we don't got the money. If
you put the phone down all your information. First of all,
be honest about this. All of the information you're receiving

(40:40):
from the world via the Internet, it's being pushed to
you through an algorithm, not the natural path of things.
Your mentality is not the same mentality as mine, because
I got my experience in the world with actual people,
so I know the shit that you're saying just isn't true.

(41:01):
And if a girl your age is trying to tell
you to get money and do all these things, she's
receiving the same information as you. You're both being lied to,
and you're both believing in the lie, and the lie
is being reinforced by the music, and the line's being
reinforced by the algorithm.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Now, one thing I'll say too, it actually sounds like
he's talking to younger people, not necessarily even his peer group,
even though a lot of the people I saw it
took offense with people in the peer group.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Also, because it is.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
The Internet, when you say stuff like this, those people
you're talking about will get it'll get back to on them.
Oh and those people aren't gonna be reasonable. If you've
been red pilled, if you've been if you're one of
these people with the free Tory lanes ask people and
shit like that, you're you're not gonna receive this in

(41:57):
a genuine way. You're like, Oh, here this panderin ass
lame blah blah.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Blah, no matter how soft, no matter how gentle, and
so that's it's a small percentage of people.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
You go, Okay, I can't be worried about you.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You should never let them dictate how you communicate. Like
I said, I communicate. I try to communicate honestly, authentically
and to be understood. I don't try to communicate with
just like trying to be like angry and ra rah
and get the most likes and retweets, because I realized
that's not who I am, right, and I always try.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
To be me.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
So I need to be comfortable with everything I said
in hindsight to be like that was exactly what I meant, right,
And that's a lesson I had to learn because I
felt like the algorithm and the internet and social media
was definitely fixating my language, was warping it towards a
certain way because that's what I was seeing around me.
And I was like, oh, that's how you have to talk.

(42:52):
But I don't believe in that thing. You know, It's
like when people do the blank our trash. You know,
white people are tryingsh men are trash, such and such
as trash. And I remember thinking one day like because
I was it was just I was forget who I
was talking to with de was like, because you know,
we all know, you know, white people trash or whatever
or such and such as trash. And I was thinking like, actually, man,

(43:14):
I don't really believe people are trash. Like I don't
believe they have to be like trash, irredeemable, whether you
call them recyclables or whatever. I actually don't need a
brad sweeping termed for humans. I hear what you're saying,
and I'm not telling you you can't talk like that,
but I'm good.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I don't need to communicate it in that way.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Agreed.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
This phenomenon of men of women only seeking men for
money is a very new concept. My parents was married,
my dad was broke. How many First of all, what's
up with this black community that we've had to overcome
all this financial poverty but we only will get with
men that they got money. That doesn't make sense. Nigga,

(43:53):
how were you born? If we've always been financially in
this country in last place, but our women will only
fuck with niggas who got money? How are any of
us here? How does that make sense? It just doesn't
make sense. Because they want you to aspire to degeneracy,

(44:15):
and now you're seeking equity and degeneracy. Gotta get your
mind right, man. All this shit is systemic. The algorithm
is being pushed to you to push an agenda because
the second that you start hating women and you start
getting into that red pill content, all the white red
pill niggas are also racist. You think that's you think
that's a mistake. They're trying to push you into conservatism

(44:38):
because the more conservative you are, the more you more
likely you are to fall for religious dogma and to
follow orders blindly. And then you might as well just
go ahead and call yourself mega. You don't question authority.
You exalt people just because they have money. You think
because they have money that they're more intelligent than you.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It's and so it's very funny because this is low key.
I guess Hockey what I was talking about when I
was talking about food minding, Like he's just saying it
in a different.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Way, but it's the same concept.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Like it's it's the slippery slope of like, yes, we
got you on the fact that we can get you
because you hate women, so we can get you to
start saying certain things that just lead you down that
pathway And the next thing, you know, you're over here
telling me, you know, Andrew Schoss ain't that bad, or

(45:36):
you know, like whatever, maybe comedy is your way in.
And now some of these conservative ideas that people are pitching,
they're not that bad or the real problem is the Democrats.
So the real problem is the social media, the people saying,
don't call people the R word or what it's something other.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
That's the kind of shit they say over there.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But it's something other than these people that are causing
the issues. I've seen it, ironically, us talking about this,
thinking about the shave room in some of these blogs
where they're hip hop blogs, but you look up and
they're covering things with a right wing slant, and it's like,
because you're so addicted to calling Zarrow Wade misgendering her,

(46:21):
because you're addicted to that, it's one The next article
is Donald Trump gave us stimulus checks, Joe Biden didn't
do anything.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
That's the next article on that page.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You know, the article after that is gonna be some
you know, they trying to cancel such and such, and
you know, like it just don't take much before you're
like you're over there and That's all they care about
is getting you over there and you'll do the rest.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, that's all they care about.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
And also that the thing is a full and maybe
and this is me on the outside looking in for
and anybody that actually stands for anything and like, actually, hey,
y'all know what's going on here, Like they're looking around
and they're realizing that there's something wrong with the system
and things like that. That is a very lonely road,

(47:09):
and people don't want to admit. Most people don't go
that route because they like the peer being accepted by peers.
They don't like being called down. They don't like their
manhood being questioned, you know. And a lot of men
going to homosexuality and all this stuff the second you
got feelings all of a sudden, you know, you acting
like a bitch, you know, and like that versus the
reality is that might not be you. And so a

(47:31):
lot of people will actually a lot of men will
actually and what's so sad It takes men from my perspective,
it takes men getting older, like much much older, before
they start speaking out and before they start actually bro
I love you and hugging their friend like like like
it takes years of fucking deprogramming for you realists, I'm

(47:53):
a fault as fucking human being. I can actually cry,
I can love my wife, I can love my kids.
It don't make me a bitch, you know what I'm saying.
To actually beat this thing. But some people, some people
just have that peer pressure. Everybody has it. But if
you learn I don't want to do that, this is wrong, y'all.
I'm not following the group. You are ostracized, and nobody
wants to be ostracized. So this is the biggest reason

(48:15):
why most people don't do that bullshit.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Also he put out another one that this is the
one I saw that made people pissed, But that was
like the general tenor of his podcast or something like that.
You know, it's like a it's anecdotal, it's you know,
it's his life, it's his opinion. It's not necessarily scientific.
He didn't go out and do a pole or whatever.
But you know, it's like if you can relate to

(48:40):
you can relate to it. You know, when these other
dudes are doing shows and they're you know, coming down
hard on women and shit like that, there's the level
of outrage from the same group of dudes is not
gonna be there.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
But here's here's what he talked about. He talked about
intersectionality and accountability.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Harass women. You may know how to take rejection, the
majority of men that most women deal with do not,
and you are accountable for that as well. Because I
don't got time to figure out which white people are nice,
which white people aren't racist, or da da da da dah.
I have to go on the actions of the group.
The group as a whole, and the history of that
group as a whole tells me that they are a

(49:18):
danger to me and they are not to be trusted.
And if you can understand that as a black man
and your stands towards white people, then you should absolutely
be able to understand women's stands towards you. It's not
a war on you waged by women. Actually, the war
get a little thicker when we start talking about it
from the perspective of women and the greater society of

(49:39):
racism and white supremacy being waised against black people and
then the patriarchal society being waised against women. So they
have to deal with two elements. One of those elements
we don't have to think about and honestly, we're perpetuated
and it's perpetuated against us young to look at women
as objects, you know, to look at women only through

(50:00):
the lens of a sexual desire and not as the
human being that they are. And when you understand how
to deal with women on a human level, you understand
how much women will enrich your life.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Amen, And I just want you to know, this got
four point eight men views, But there's like a lot
of people are acting like what he's saying is crazy.
There are people, of course who shared it that agreed,
a lot of people will you know. And honestly, it
was kind of that was kind of cool to see
people finally share somebody that was talking sense the way

(50:35):
they would share somebody that was saying something fucking insane,
Like if Joe Budden was yelling at Melissa Ford on
his podcast like that shit gets five men views and
it's like he's wrong for that or whatever. But to
see somebody be like, you know, because they're always like
where are the men that are talking like this, but
that they're not going viral, they're not sharing their podcast,

(50:55):
they're not giving showing their clips and stuff like that.
So it was it was like that, that's what's been refreshing.
There's some level of balance, But unfortunately with that balance
comes people pushing back, right, because they're so used to
being served it one way. Yes, you know, I've talked
about these things in depth on our show before with
the like my he said, white people. But my comparison

(51:17):
was the police, because the police have a certain level
of authority. Now, police are supposed to help you, right,
I'm a man, I'm in your community. If you I'm
part of your community. If you need something that you
should be able to go to me. But the fact
that every once in a while one of these cops
is hitting you upside the head, or one of these

(51:39):
cops is doing and I just tell you, like, well
he's not a real cop. Oh no, no, no, that's
he's a bad app or whatever. Okay, Well another cop
is are rapists, and another cop is stealing money, and
another cop is Eventually it's like the cops are not
to be trusted, and what do we do.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
We don't go I need help, officer.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
We started thinking like maybe I just try to solve
this without the cops, right, right, And I feel like
that's the same sort of analogia like I don't have time.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
A woman's not gonna have time for all that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Well, you supposed to be a good dude, but damn,
I guess not. Like if they can do it, you see,
many women say if I can just do it by myself,
I just do it by myself. I don't need no man.
They didn't wake up and say I hate men. Like
things happen to make people get to that point. Yes,
it may be exaggerated on the internet, it may be
exacerbated by social media. I definitely understand that people's real

(52:33):
lives don't always align with what's happening online, but also
we respond to the most extremes of these things. So
like like people, it's not necessarily a conversation that is
being had about like the general middle of the road experience,
because if you anecdotally sit down and talk to like
most women, they're gonna tell you like, no, I have

(52:55):
men in my life that have helped me and been
nothing but kind of me. But I've also had some
shit men in my life that have fucked me over
and done.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
All kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So like both things have existed. I know that when
I walk out the house, I know that it's not
just all one way, but I'm also just not taking
a lot of chances, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And also a lot of men think that women are
not complex creatures, and we're very complex, probably in some situations,
more complex than the men are when it comes to
like situations and navigating things. And so a lot of times,
like you say, when people come up with these strategies
and these ways that they, particularly women, the ways they

(53:34):
navigate life, like you say, it didn't happen out nowhere,
and it happened from personal experience, and a lot of times,
because a lot of men don't look at women like
you said, I got full fledged human being. It's like, well,
she's streaming like this and she's doing this instead of
asking why or instead of saying, I might not be
meeting whatever her standards are, and things like that, and

(53:55):
a lot of times a lot of stuff reflection and
shit like that. And people in general don't like to
self reflect, but a lot of men, particularly egos, everybody
has them, but particularly men egos, they don't like to
self reflect and be like, hey, I might need to
change things, so I might not be I might be
looking at this differently. I may be wrong or whatever
the case.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I think a lot of it is just the conversation
is happening in a place where people are very defensive,
like there's not trust in the community, and there's definitely
not trust online on social media. So like when people
see this clip, they're gonna take it as an attack
on black men. They're not gonna take it as this
is a brother who cares about us as a total
sum of all our people, and he is just encouraging us.

(54:36):
And the reason I'm saying is because I've been here,
I've said this and then dealt with the backlash and
the nigga shitting on me and some nigga name like
mister Doctor Hotel or some shit doing a video and
my picture in front of the house he probably lives
in with his white wife, Like I remember that kind
of shit, and like it's that was years ago and

(55:00):
it's sad, but how we haven't come much further because this,
to me, this guy is not doing an attack. I
understand people who are like, so y'all telling me as
a black man when people attack us, we just got
to sit there and be like.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I'm not like them, niggas. No, I get it.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
You if if someone were to say all black men
are rapists and you were like, fuck you, that's not true.
I totally understand that, but that's not what's happening here.
Even framing this as an attack on you says a
lot about what your sensibilities are.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
And they're gonna be men who.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Will take this guy as attacking them. And that part
is sad, you know, I remember, Yeah, it's just sad.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
Amen, you want to turn it up or not? Yea,
Get you a good woman and get you a good
black woman in your cornermen, man, you want to see
your life turn up hey and see. This is the
thing though, that's a It's a privilege, bro, it's a privilege.
You know what I'm saying. We we often disregard the
power of our black women, the spiritual essence that they're

(56:01):
gonna bring to things, the knowing, the seeing, you know
what I'm saying. Also, to imagine it, imagine it. They
have to be hyper vigilant because they have to be
constantly scanning the room making sure that they're in a
safe situation. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. When we
think about these kids who were clearly in Louisiana having
the time of their fucking life because they graduated. And

(56:22):
we think about white people's reaction to black joy. It's
not about civility, it's not about the current. They don't
like to see us happy.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Now. How often are women just having a good time
and here come a nigga trying to ruin their fun.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Yeah, let's just be honest.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
You can call it pandering. But if I was up
here caping for white women, you wouldn't even mention that word.
If I was up here caping for Hispanic women, you
wouldn't even call it pandering. Only when we take take
pride and show love to black women, do you call
it pandain get your motherfucking mind right? You yall got

(57:06):
a bad sign? Yeah, I mean I think that's facts.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's also like it reminds me of that incident where
there were black women on the train and like they
were taking a wine tour and they got kicked off
the train and it was like everybody turned into cause
you know black women, they be loud and they was
probably in there doing this, this and this, and I'm like, well,
the women said they weren't. They're suing like.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Like they didn't get off and just go like, I'm embarrassed.
But it was so easy to believe these.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Black women deserved whatever happened to them, you know, even
as they were saying, no, this was racial discrimination. We
weren't doing anything that anyone else on the train wasn't doing.
It just reminds me of those things anecdotally, like I
just think of those small things because.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
It is so easy to just boom, it's.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Y'all's fault and this and as true to form as
he said, they are calling him pandering, they are attacking
his credibility, they are calling him an op.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
They're saying the government send him here to he's.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Talking about the gender war divide and trying to bridge
it and say hey, there's accountability we can have on
our side and we just handle our shit as men.
And they're like, clearly, this man is a CIA plant.
This is the podcast Mike's we need to get rid of,
not the not the people doing those yeah, not the

(58:33):
thoughts podcast And what would you do if your woman
came home and she you.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Know, not those shows that we need to get rid
of him.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
It's crazy, right, Yeah, going back and sitting and thinking
also and so when you're dealing with people that are
in the matrix, they don't like to hear the truth,
and those people will never admit at the end of
the day, they like being in the matrix and they
like taking the red peel even though they know this
shit ain't real, even though some of them know, they

(59:04):
know the algorithms till like they some people are over
there and they absolutely positively they know.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Some people.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
You know, you do have some people that got tricked
and be like, hey, wait a minute, I'm in the matrix,
but some.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
People don't know. I wake up every day, I know
this is bullshit. They know this is bullshit.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
I decide to drink this fake orange juice because this
is where the fuck I like to be.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, and it's easier to believe that kind of shit
than to sit back with you know, like complex thoughts
about it.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
But yeah, man, it was just you know, I wanted
to talk.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
About that just because I really did think, Man, this
reminds me so much of what I've been through. And
he seems built ford like he's on Twitter being like,
you know, essentially I said what I said, and you know,
it probably also helps that you know, it's blowing up
like it's getting so many views and stuff. But you know, honestly,

(01:00:02):
I think about that, and I think about the attacks
that or online uh pushback that I got, and I'm like,
it's just gonna be even bigger it's got because I
didn't have four well I don't know how many of
you I had because I fucking turned everything off at
that time. But whatever the amount of views is that
he's getting for this, there are people that are in

(01:00:25):
that red pill in cell culture that are going to
talk about his family, that are going to say things
on his social media, that are going to write his podcast,
that are going to harass him or try to dock him.
That's the world that we're living in. If anything, that
part has gotten worse, not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Better, it has. It has. And as somebody who.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Particularly, the thing that hit the most was when black
women are having a good time, how you know, a
random ass niggas just pop up out of nowhere. I
remember this happened years ago. I don't remember it was
album a, Beyonce's birthday or something like that. This happened
years Agoing on Facebook, I was like, yeah, i'ma post
a bunch of Beyonce pictures and even the caption. I

(01:01:10):
was like, don't come up here, Styn, no bullshit, and
like seconds later and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Like, nigga, why are you over here?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
And they was like second later what.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Somebody somebody came in there and was just say, I
don't like Beyonce. I didn't ask you don't care, why
are you here? And I specifically in the caption nigga,
it said, don't if you don't go fuck, keep it going.
Nobody asks you to be in the goddamn room. And
so that's the shit I'm talking about. You know, It's
just something niggas I don't like beyonda nigga, I don't care.
I don't care, you know. And it's one of those

(01:01:39):
things where it's because they're frustrated and very irritating for
shit like that, because it's all entertainment, you know what
I'm saying, Like, and and what's so sassin about up
at the point? Y'all got time to argue with this, nigga,
But you ain't got time to fucking vote.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You got time to waste time and energy, dock.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Somebody investigate, go go go go, go go be a
fucking journalist about shit like this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But you don't know who's running your state, you don't
know who to vote for.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
You don't want to find out truth about that, And
that's the shit a lot of issues, the goddamn distraction
from the reality of you don't want personal responsibility for
what's happening in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
You feel like everything's out of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Control, and so instead of you saying, hey, I need
to get grasp on this, I need to figure out
I need to place my feet on the ground and
fucking stop spiraling, you do shit like this to continue
to waste time because you don't want to take a
personal accountability and responsibility and look around and be like,
what can I do to make things better? You havether

(01:02:36):
waste hours online arguing with him about something at the
end of the day that doesn't fucking matter. I'm telling funny,
He's not a goddamn politician, he's not a licted official.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
You know, there's other more important shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
That you can waste time arguing about shit that would
actually impact your life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I think another part of this equation that's not being
discussed is that a lot of the commentary back at
him is also at this point been essentially monetized. So
when I said this. There were people that probably genuinely
disagreed and stuff. But then there's people like doctor Hotep

(01:03:13):
or whatever that I'm sure was like, I'm going to
use him for content. He just wanted to use what
I had to say to try to get some views, right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
He didn't really give a fuck about me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
And it was so amazing because because I had muted
or whatever, I didn't see that conversation at the time,
but I remember something happened. I don't know if Elon
must changed how blocks work or something. I don't know,
something happened, and I started seeing people still like replying
to that tweet, and I since.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
I've been deleted or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
But what was interesting is that dude, mister doctor Hotep whatever,
that dude had added me so many times sharing his video,
meaning I was only content.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
He didn't give a fuck about what he was like,
oohs I got some bytes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Some people like this and reply to this, and all
these people are replying, and they're tagging me and saying,
vow shit to me. He can't give a fuck about
me as a black person either, you know. But it's
just interesting because it's content. So now when you look
at Deontay Cow's replies, it's a lot of blue check
black men who are doing stuff like this for content,

(01:04:24):
and of course blue checks go first. Under replies, blue
checks send Eli Musk a check a monthly fee so
that they can get that higher engagement.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
And when I tell.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You, you look under here, and it's just some of
the people that are just trying to get as much
traction out of pushing back as they can. Yeah, you know, so, Yeah,
it's just been interesting to see because I don't think
you can have this conversation online.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Like the clip is the clip. If you agree, you're
gonna share.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
If you don't like it, you're gonna share, and we're
gonna argue until it gets more and more attention. But
I don't think it's possible to have these discussions anywhere
but a long form situation like our podcast or something
like that, because if you put it in a clip form,
it's just feeding into the same algorithm that you're hoping

(01:05:19):
would change something, and it's not going to be seen
as educational or understand it's gonna be seen as an
attack and just part of the gender wars and stuff.
And I think that's what's ultimately gonna happen to him
is brothers that don't want to hear this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Are gonna ultimately group him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Indeed, you're just part of the gender wars, uh, whatever
whatever it takes to dismiss him, and they're not gonna
listen to content or what he had to say, which
is what I found when when when when it was me,
very only people that already agree with me really was
coming like to be like, let me share this. And
then there were a few people who listen to the

(01:05:55):
podcast long form who are like, oh, I see what
you're saying, Like, oh, I didn't get it when I
read the tweet, but when you explained it on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
The show, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
But that was few and far between compared to the
amount of people that were like, just you know, it
only takes a second to call me a motherfucker, a
bitch or a simp or whatever, and so they just did.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
That instead, right, and a lot of times at the
end of the day, there's no good faith and so
because of that, that's the foundation of the whole conversation.
And like you said, a lot of people make money
off agenda wars. Like you said, they make contents off
agenda wars. Like it's whole podcasts off agenda wars, and
so when you look down there, you're attacking the foundation
of how a lot of these people make their money

(01:06:35):
and make their living. So they feel like, hey, doll,
you can't be out here because guess what you talk,
somebody will actually listen to you. It might not be
a small or large percentage of people, but somebody might
actually listen to you. All of a sudden, they unsubscribed,
the unclicked, like all of a sudden, they unplugged themselves
from a matrix. And I need every single follower, I
need every single view. I ain need be every single click,

(01:06:56):
and I can't have you quote unquote sucking up my coins.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, and then, like I said, I appreciate dude, I
appreciate what he's saying. I don't know everything about his
show and everything about him. I'm sure that there's something
he said that people probably do disagree with, or you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Know, some.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Language or something he hasn't perfected or said the right
way for other people to like it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
But I'm not one of those people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I'm totally fine with like you communicate how you communicate,
And I think his heart seems to be in the
right place.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Every time I've seen a clip in him, I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Like cool, and I think, if nothing else, if you're
listening to sound of our voice and you're one of
these people like this motherfucker right here, he's making it worse. Fine,
Here's what I would ask you, though, do you not
appreciate the balance? Because if nothing else, how can you

(01:07:53):
not be sick of the representatives of us as black
men in the media space having such vitriol for women
in general, but also very often.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Uh trafficking and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Extreme like not just misogyny or like massage noirs like
extreme like you to me, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
If we live in a world where people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Can say free Tory Lanes, then this, this dude three
minute clip of his podcast is not a problem, right,
Like if that's if that's like because the one thing
is existing and always getting the views and there's not
enough pushback on it, you know it. That's when everybody

(01:08:54):
wants to turn into I'm not a lawyer, you know,
when the hip hop blogs are covering Diddy like he's
winning that try, you know what I mean, Like, I
don't see how you have an issue. I don't see
how you have as equal an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Here when.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
One, two, three, three of the top black hip hop
blog podcasts and probably more if I think about it,
are held by men who have legitimate issues with women
in the way they handle their business, but also legitimate
accusations that have been leveled at them, talking to like

(01:09:33):
sexual assault, physical abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Sexual harassment at work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
And these are our representatives who are talking about our music,
and people don't seem to have as nearly as much
a problem with them because they it's like the longer
they stay around, the more we're just like, I guess
it's okay, right, And somebody who didn't name any names,
didn't call on anyone personally, just comes in and says, hey,

(01:10:03):
when you're looking around and you're seeing free toy, when
you're seeing Cassie just like doing drugs, she was into
that shit. When you're seeing that type of rhetoric and
you're not questioning it and it's coming and the people
that are co signing it and big upping it and
agreeing with you are the same people think George Floyd

(01:10:26):
died by car exhaust fumes and telling you they need
to free Derek Chauvin. That's what that congress woman believes
that said free Tory Lanes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
That's what she believes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
So like that bigotry puts some strange bad fellows together
and to have a voice that's questioning that, and that's
the guy we want to harass or put on the
summer jam screen or accuse of being an OP.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
It just feels weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Man, Like I'm not saying I'm for the record, I'm
just making a jail or observation. This is not how
I feel. But popped the Balloon is more of a
OPT than this dude to me, And I'm not saying
popped the Balloon is like something like we can't fuck,
but like we're just talking about exacerbating gender wars and
norms and making.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Us fight each other. Like there's a lot there's a
lot of people I had to go down the checklist
before I really get to this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
But you know, maybe those are my biases talking because
I tend to agree with a lot of what he's saying,
and you know, I think I think he's making valid
points and I just hate to see that we haven't
really gotten further in the social media space in the
ten years since I said that shit or so, and
if anything, it seems like it got worse, Like I

(01:11:43):
probably would have got it worse if I said that
shit today.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Of course, you know, of course, and back then it
was a lot and as somebody who it didn't happen
directly to me, but I was impacted by my perspective
on these things. Like on some of those things, I

(01:12:06):
have a very hardh stance because all looks at the average person.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I'm not trying to funny, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Y'all don't have enough followers, You're not really online, You're
not really nobody, and so nobody really cares about you
blocking one of your one hundred followers. Nobody really cares
about you know, something go viral and make get a
hundred retweets or likes. That's like a big day for you.
Nobody really cares. Nobody's following you, nobody's actually looking for you,
Nobody actually really cares what you have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
The average person online, So you never.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Understand why people do what they do because you think, well,
I'm just one person versus the millions of people that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Are going at one person.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
The brain and just people aren't designed to have a
lot of people coming at them at once and being
able to decipher who's good, who's bad, who's not, who
has good faith and who doesn't. You know, that's what
the algorithm does, is what the internet does. And so
you know, for me, it's like fighting water. You're not
gonna wear the water will eventually drown you. And that's

(01:13:08):
something that I had to learn. And so for me personally,
I'm online, but nothing like I used to be because
I've realized all aside, it's just a cess pool. And
so when you realize it's a cess pool, but it's
a cess pool that you're in and you're never actually
gonna get out if you have a social media account
any and if you learn, you're still in a cess pool.

(01:13:29):
And so you know, you have to figure out how
deep do I want this cesspool to go out?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
All my ankles, my toes, do I want to completely
consume me? And it varies to you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Like I said, it's a little bit of drugs or
a whole lot of drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
At the end of the day, is still a drug.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
And so because like sitting back and thinking of some
of the things that would happen in the you child,
I wanted to burn the world down because I love
you very much, and I'm like, how dare you for
call my husband?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
How dare you misinterpret my husband? My husband never do
these things.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
But I had to learn, you know that it's not
worth the time, the energy, know the effort. And at
the end of the day, nobody's mind was being changed.
And just like I don't know them, They don't know
me nor my husband.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
What what does this say about the fragility of our.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Of the story?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
We tell ourselves that one brother getting off message is
enough to cause this much backlash, you know what I mean, Like,
it's just his fucking opinion. The same way it's just
the opinion of Kevin Samuels, right, But there's people that
will go out of their way to bend over back
to be like, well, you know, Kevin Samuels, not everything

(01:14:42):
he said was bad. You know, you got to hear
him out. Some niaz these women do be blank. But
it's kind of funny that, like this dude went off
message on a couple of clips that you saw because
people do not push back on him this hard when
he talks about white supremacy or racism and the government
and shit like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
But as soon as he started talking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
About some something that benefited or at least had empathy
for black women. It became like this man needs to
be excised from the community. Now, I'm not saying everybody.
Obviously many people support shared it love and right, you know,
and honestly, like so there were a lot of black
women who were just thankful for like somebody sounded like

(01:15:25):
they made some fucking sense, right, you know. I always said,
like the shits and gigs dude showed how thirsty and
starved black women are. For just brothers that aren't pushing
toxic shit about black women.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
And it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
That they ultimately were like these great dudes. I always
always say, used this phrase doing the reading. The vast
majority of people of privilege do not do the reading, right, like,
and I think that's everyone that that's if you are
privileged in most areas there, I guarantee you you talk.
Even if you're a good person, if you're an ally,

(01:16:02):
even if you speak, whatever it is, you probably still
ain't trying to turn it into work, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Right, And I get it. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
This is not me chastising people. This is just facts
to me. So I don't know that he's done the reading.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
He may have. I don't know that he's done the reading.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
I think on one of the books on his shelf
was Mama Mentality, Kobe Bryant accused of rape. Like this
is like, so I'm not And this is not me
calling him out. This is me saying like, I don't.
He seemed like he just got a good heart and
his mind is in the right place.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
That should not be a threat to people. But we're
treating it like it's a threat. And when I think about,
you know, like I read I just finished reading that
God Say the Queens about Black women and hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I finished this book yesterday called Grown by Tiffany D.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It's about a seventeen year old aspiring singer who based
gets like an R Kelly figure that comes into her
life and tries to like and just abuses her and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
But obviously the message is about, you know, the community
that allows an R Kelly to exist, not just the
R Kelly or just the girl or whatever. It's the
whole of it, all, the industry of it all there,
you know, there's I've made a conscientious effort to read
certain things about black women specifically because I want to

(01:17:30):
know it. I don't want to just like I think
that's why you get into these platitudes where dudes talking
generalizations like black women don't have thoughts of their own,
like they didn't write them down, Like you can't read
them and find out yourself, Like can't listen like can't
listen to a podcasts talk about it or something without
the defensiveness, without the hostility, without the I need to
shut this down. It's making me feel bad. And in

(01:17:52):
that way, that does remind me of privilege. And when
you think of privilege, it always goes back to whiteness
in America, and white people don't like to be feeling uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
That's why they attack.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
They don't like when we're saying black lives matter, they
have to come up with a slogan equal in opposite,
and yet we would interrogate that in them, but they
don't interrogate it in themselves necessarily not in mass And
this is an area where I think it is not equal, but.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
It is parallel.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Related, this idea of like, well, I don't need to
actually read anything about these black women. I don't need
to like examine myself with my biases. It's the people
making me feel comfortable that are wrong. He's wrong because
I feel uncomfortable about what he's saying. He's saying men
can be better. That's not love, that's an attack, you know.

(01:18:48):
And I'm like, I guess I just was raised a
little bit differently, you know, because I don't. I think
part of not just correction, but part of love is
to be like I can see better in you than
you can see in yourself. Sometimes I'm not telling you
you're the best when you aren't the best, but I

(01:19:10):
always see the potential for you to be the best.
And I'm not just using this as a cudgel to
beat you down. I'm not moving a goal post on you.
Some of these things are such simple things, and if
you're doing them, congratulations, I'm doing them too, and I'm
hoping that we continue to do them, Like I'm not like,
I'm here out of love for you, But I just

(01:19:30):
don't know that that gets communicated online, so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
I'm not go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
And also it's one of the things for me and
just us having this conversation that's making me think it's
funny how just a lot of people, you know, how
we talk about MLK and how great of a man
he was and things like that. Sometimes I think about
people in history and if these people are around now,
how people would shoot their ideas down, and how people
would would basically tear a lot of the things that

(01:19:58):
they were doing for the good greater the community apart.
I'm pretty and I know, you know, there's books and
things like that people didn't agree with, you know, m
okay and all these things about you know, how they
did things. But with the way it is now, a
lot of the things that these people accomplished they would
not have accomplished in the age of social media because
people would not have even allowed them to do these
things for the betterment of the people, because everybody thinks

(01:20:21):
that they know what's best for the people. When the
average person is so selfish and so self centered that
the community is the last thing they actually think about
when they you know, when they think about and not
all you know, those reasons say this, But it's very frustrating
when something happens and then the man goes, but I
love my mom, I love my sister, I love we
go okay, nigga, but they related to you what what about? What? Not?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
So funny, what about the bitches it ain't? What about them?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
What about the bitches that ain't exactly because we respect
these women.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
No, but seriously, I think it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I don't want to talk in circles about it, but yeah,
I think it's a real issue. And I think it's
kind of interesting to see like what is allowed to
exist for people because what happened, what I notice happens,
and I think a lot of brothers noticed this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
If I were to be like, yo.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
This person beat up this woman, they go, that's not
a real man, or that's just him.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Why are you looking at me? Or whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
If I go, okay, well, statistically, these stats for intraracial
domestic violence are astounding. Black women are targeted more than
any other demographic in America.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Well, I don't be hitting no black women. I don't
know nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Okay, so what are we saying? This don't exist? We're
just gaslight these women. Now you didn't really, because that's
why people are to me, that's what leads people to
be not trusting. That's when it's us saying, hey, the
cops are sometimes doing wrong things to black people, and
then people going, I don't know no bad cops.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Well, it's a force full of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Somebody got to know somebody right, like maybe if he
ain't trusting you with it, but somebody doing something right.
They don't keep making the headlines because it's not happening, right,
So what do you do with that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Like I said, nobody has a rapist, but these people
keep getting raped.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Come on, Yeah, that make it make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
But yeah, anyway, I appreciate it. It's late. We're not
going to do any other segments. I'm gonna let the
AI put the ads.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Wherever it wants to put on whatever it may.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Yeah, I took a nap, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Sorry I was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, but you know, I kind of did want to
talk about this because I just hadn't really because I
know other podcasts going to talk about this, and a
lot of them are going to go in on this
dude or dismiss him or say he's pandering, or act
like like it's an attack.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
And so I would like y'all to hear another perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
That's not that me and and and and that's the thing.
People act like pandering only supposed to happen to certain
groups of people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Panda to me. You know, that's just like when it
comes to voting, pander to me. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I guess I think I don't want to label him
as that, but I hear what you're saying. It It
is interesting that people that our culture decided that serving
black women was somehow corny and bad and wrong and
the easy way out. And I feel like that conversation

(01:23:35):
goes a little further than just a podcast and the
radio and shit. But our culture definitely did decide that
at some point, like like even R and B motherfuckers
sing more about the like to dudes than they're singing
to women. And I don't mean they sing like I
want to fuck the dude, but they're singing to you
like I'm gonna take your girl.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Like that's a weird thing to sing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I came to the concert with my girl and you're
not trying to sing to her, tos aeducer and all
this shit you're wrapping to me and whatever. So something
did change in our culture in my lifetime where it
does feel like it has become.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Bad to to to see women as.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
An audience, right right, So I don't say I don't
think you're wrong there but I'm just saying I wouldn't
even group his what I'm hearing. I'm hoping it doesn't
even sound like I'm just pandering, because I've heard what
I would consider to be like dudes that pander, And
once again, nobody does the reading. You can tell, like
when it's to me, it's easier to tell when somebody's

(01:24:36):
just pandering because they are saying the platitudes and repeating
like what they see online, and just like it's just
let me go find a black feminist Twitter feed and
just read y'all what she wrote and pretend that I
came up with it, you know, so I would hope
he's not doing that. But I definitely understand your point,
which is if and I was thinking about this too

(01:24:58):
as a podcast, it's crazy people don't see that as
a good business model, just even as a cynical capitalist idea.
Black women spend way more money, they're way more supportive,
they're way more likely to listen to you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
We're trained to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
But the pressure on black men, from black men and
society at large to fit within a certain box and
have a certain attitude about women is more overwhelming than
the potential of making money. Just even if you were
pretending to like black women, it is more important for

(01:25:32):
them to fit into this box of like, nah, I
keep it real and I'll tell these women some negative
shit about them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Right, and before we go, let's take it back to Target,
because I look at this now, targets have Black people
spent a lot of money at Target, and when that
audience left, Target is feeling to burn. And the thing is,
racism is the irrational and logical. This misogyny stuff is
in logical because, like you said, the potential to make

(01:26:02):
more money, you don't care about that target's potential to
keep their money and make more money. They didn't care
about that. The racism calls or the misogyny calls or
whatever was greater than the potential of you making more
money off of an audience that is underserved.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And the thing is, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Always shocking, particularly with like black and brown and other
people were always underserved. And then when we're overserved most
of the time by people by by by people within
the own community, everybody is shocked.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Everybody's always surprised. Everybody's always like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
My gosh, this blig, this blig new thing, and people go,
this is shit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
We do on our community agrease I had all the time.
We always wear head rats, but because you ignore us,
like with Rihanna. When Rihanna came out with Venting, all
of a sudden, everybody got fifty five hundred different colors.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
But before her, it was you. You had to be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
A home chemist for makeup and shit like that, and
it becomes very frustrating. It's amazing how people can see
the difference in target, but they can't see that difference
with like like like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I know brothers that to this they have not found
a way to truly succeed with their content and their
podcasts and stuff, and they try every trick in the book,
but at the end of the day, it's like, look
at how you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Talk, Look at how you talk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
You think black people are just black men, that's it,
and that's who you want to serve, which is if
that's what you believe, that's the gambit you want to
the gamble you want to take. That's fine, but understand
that you're at that point you're talking to a small
percentage of black people, and not small.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
But you're talking to half of the black people.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Then you're cutting that down by probably because if you
don't talk nice about women, probably don't talk nice about
gay people. Then you got children. They're not listening to
your adult content. So now you've cut it down even smaller.
And then on top of that, you're cutting it down
to a group that has some of them not going
to agree with the shit you be having to say.
And lastly, they don't support shit, so you don't have

(01:28:00):
a lot of these dudes are not going to support
a sea of dudes that are just shitting on women.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
They can go get that for free anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
So now obviously I'm talking about a cynical point of
view where people would just be pandering and they wouldn't
really believe any of the shit they're saying anyway. Right,
But like, I think one of the secrets to the
success we've had is that this is a place where
black women can listen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And I don't say it in any like pat me
on the backway.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
I just mean I'm actively thinking of black women as
part of our audience when we do a show, and
you're thinking it because you are a black woman. And
and I don't think we're the most like left wing,
most progressive. I don't think we're the most like trigger warning,
we're gonna like, I don't think we're I think we're

(01:28:49):
just two niggas talking, right, So it isn't isn't this
like space of like pandering and all that stuff and
saying the perfect thing?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
And you know the film this Proxy that I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Read, it's not that we're just actively trying not to
be toxic towards black women, right, and people be like,
how y'all been making the how you That's part of
the reason when you go look at our demographics on
our stats, Yeah, it's like fifty percent women, one percent
non binary slash other, forty nine percent men. And I'm

(01:29:23):
proud of that, not because I'm like proud of on
some like, I'm just proud of that because it shows
a balance to what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Shows a balance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, if you make a cookout where everybody can come
and enjoy themselves, that everybody gonna come and eat.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
But if you make a cookout.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
That's only designed for one or the other, you're gonna
get people.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
But it's not gonna be the same amount of people,
and they won't be able to coexist with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
I love when we do a live show in that
space of people that is all kinds of people.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
But when I see how many black men black women
are in there hanging out together, and it's just the
opposite of what it is online, and they're not coming
there to listen to us, like try to find some
way to ship on somebody, like they're just hanging out
having a good time. That's the space I always picture
in my head when we do this show, and I
think it's come to fruition. So if you're a content

(01:30:16):
creator or something and you're not getting those results, close
your eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Who is the person you see yourself talking to? That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
That's a big part of why and how you talk
to them and what you have to say and how
you value those people. But yeah, anyway, the long tangent
but worth talking about. I don't even know what we'll
name this episode, but shout out to Grits and Eggs,
shout out to the people in the chat for this
late night edition, and I guess shout out to the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Pacers for taking care of the knicks. They three to
one now looking like Pacers thunder y'all right, who saw
this coming? But yeah, until next time, I love you.

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