3109: The Fake Steak

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You got an archive. I don't know if you ever
gonna you're gonna get through them all.

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But we were like, were like, what is that show?
One piece. You know how you jump on one piece and.

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Speaker 1 (03:15):
Thirty one oh four BlackBerry and Melassis was our feedback episode.
We got four comments ipir seys. Cigarettes and alcohol are
interesting to compare. Alcoholism is extremely dangerous and harming a society,
but also a people next to me is drinking, like
on a train. I'm not directly harm health wise, but
the secondhand smoke is directly in my body and does
harm there. When it's a family member, it's more complicated.

(03:38):
I hope Brends. Drinking is just less cool with young
people now. I hope so at least.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
And when you think about it, people say that, But
when you start at and drink driving, this person is
drinking alcohol. Nope, you didn't consume it, you can't get it,
but they can definitely affect you.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yeah, many ways.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean those all kinds of ways that drunk the
alcohol and people being drunk and harming themselves and others
affects affects other people, you know, whether it is like
you said, family members and dealing with that health outcomes,
whether there's people making bad decisions such as fights and
violence such as sexual uh like things people things even

(04:21):
just things people regret, like even if it's like, oh man,
I shouldn't have said that thing to you, Like it
does have its harms. And I mean, at one point,
unlike cigarettes, alcohol was actually outlawed in the United States.
We had prohibitions, so like there was a recognition that
it was a danger to society, but that you know,
they weren't able to stop it because we were more

(04:43):
addicted to alcohol, I think than even cigarettes. Like yes,
like the government basically had to give up that fight.
Like yo, okay, y'all can drink fuck it. Yeah, it's
getting crazy. We got bootleggers and mobsters are becoming like
major figures in the world because of this loophole of
like how to make money selling alcohol, Like it's a
big deal. More period talk. Did you know that tampons

(05:07):
or applicators are an American thing? Our tampons are only
the thing that stays in the body. I wonder why
this is maybe some kind of body phobia, because I
don't think we have different hands. I don't know. Roond
Ravil says it's the artist formerly known as the roun
In here. Your name is Rona Raphael and you can't
change it on the website. I don't know why you

(05:27):
keep doing this. Interestingly, I shared careens of you on
the next presidential election of the DNC, but an event
took place in South Carolina on Saturday, I believe around
the time of your recording, where despite the attempts by
Biden haters to get Nevada, Nevada or Iowa to start
the DNC presidential process, potential twenty twenty eight candidates turned

(05:49):
up to the South Carolina Fair and addressed the crowd.
Noticeable names were Wes Moore, Tim Wallas. The article didn't
mention Newsome, Gretchen or other or the other usual suspects
except up those two being intentional. Kingmaker cly Burne was
in the audience in attendance. I know that David Hogg
must be dying in pain because nobody serious about seeking

(06:11):
the path the presidency is coming to him. I almost
missed the article because his headline was phrased under Biden's
legacy of having South Carolina be the start of the
DNC primary was bad or led to Trump after I
got over to clickbait anger and started reading, look at that,
y'all insulting black people and still acknowledging that DNC candidates
so seeking them at the same time must be a
Bernie broad Roaded or David Hogg. Yeah, I mean that

(06:35):
that was a big move at Biden poll making it
the first one. And what I think is interesting is
it kind of takes away from the horse race of it.
So the media and political fans that like watched politics
like you watch sports, they're kind of being robbed of
like the intrigue and the fun of like cause it's

(06:55):
been the same my whole life. For the Democratic primary anyway,
which which is Iowa ninety percent white people, the white
people pick whoever they pick. Then it starts going around
to a bunch of other states that you know, are
mostly white people states or heavy you know, hot small

(07:16):
small percentage of black people and brown people in them,
and then it gets to South Carolina, and every time
South Carolina and the southern states are the people who
eventually will pick who wins the election, wins the primary
primary election, and so it's been that way since, like
Clinton and Obama, Like, it's just not you know, it

(07:36):
is what it is. And I think Biden just basically said,
in addition to just this being like a thank you
to the black folks down here, it's also just a hey,
can we just stop doing the horse race negative press
for whoever's in second, third, and fourth for however long.
Let's just get right to organizing the party as fast

(07:56):
as possible.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Who is going to win the black vote?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, whoever's gonna win in a state that got black
people and white people in it, that is the person
that we need to get behind. We need to push
them from day one.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
White people ain't throwing the people vote.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah. So it's just, you know, it's unfortunate that it's
framed as like Biden is doing this and that the
real truth of the matter is, and I just don't
think anyone's gonna say out loud, is that people don't
want black folks picking a Democratic nominee. That's it. They
And the thing is they always will because South Carolina

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and the Southern states will always matter. It always will matter,
and you're gonna want somebody that can carry those states
in the primary to even have an outside shot of
carrying any of those.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
States in the general.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know, if you want North Carolina be a purple
state that may go blue, then you have to do that. Georgia,
you want to go blue. You need it matters. And
then every fucking election night it come down to everybody's
him in and hollering and crying and have an anxiety
attack waiting on the last couple of districts in Georgia
to report. Right, that's how important it is that the

(09:09):
southern black vote is united and activated by a candidate.
So let's just get that started right away. I wouldn't
give a fuck if it was Bernie who came down
and won it. I really, I'm not like, I'm not
a petty person, I'm not a vindictive person.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm not a fuck it then I'll just lose.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
If Bernie came down here, started working in the South
and was managing to get black people to support him,
and I looked up and said, oh shit, Bernie won
the primary in South Carolina, then we riding with Bernie.
It's not really complicated for me. No, I don't understand
why it's so complicated for him and his people. It
should not be that difficult, y'all. Should have we have

(09:49):
now twelve years into you should have been down here
doing the work so that you can just cruise to
the fucking victory in the primary. But you don't. You
don't seem no one.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
To do it. No, you know you can't show up
later on and be like, vote for me, bitch, get
out of my face.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, David Hogg too, get your hats down.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
There right because now time that matters.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm not like like I do know a lot of
people that are very much like I don't like Bernie,
I don't like David Hobg.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Fuck them and you know they better.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
You know I'm saying, I don't like the fact that
they won't do what I think they need to do.
If they're real, real, if you're serious, just start working
with black folks in the South now so you can
win and we'll be here. If not, I just feel
like you're going on Bill Maher and talking shit about
the Democratic Party. But that just really means the black
people in the Democratic Party, because those are the ones

(10:39):
that aren't voting for.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
You right, and you know, and I agree, And those
are the things that make me mad.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
Those those those are the things that waste my time.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
And you know, it's one of the things where I
feel like a lot of those type of people, they
they don't take the process seriously as much asy quote
unquote claim they do.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
You don't take the process seriously because you have to.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Do the work and understand, you know, it's generational differences.
But at the end of the day, you have to
do the work.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
If it's not generational matter, it's not even generational differences.
Bernie is old, is young. Yeah, it's still the same
playbook for both of them.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, we gotta go find the white male vote
and fuck everybody else at all costs. And it's not
gonna work.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
No, it's not, particularly when you know, black people vote
and black people matter and black people cownt and like
you said, a lot of white people will never admit
they do not like anything when black people are in control.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
MS. Barnes says, I wroted yes in the poll. The
poe was has our podcast ever made you cry laughing
in public?

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
This was back in twenty twenty when I listened to
for the first time the Blackout Tip legendary story of Bulletball.
I was driving and thought I was going to wreck
when I was listening. I never ever will suggest wheezing
and driving, but this is what happened. I also had
my sisters Doggie in the backseat, and she even raised
her head to wonder what the hell I was listening to.

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Uh Uh. Anyone that pulled up next to me was
wondering what happened me week behind the wheel. No matter
how many times I hear this legendary story gets funny
and funny every time, and that's why we do it.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Love it, he says.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't know if I ever laughed so hard I
cried when listening to this podcast, but I have laughed
so hard my stomach hurt like I did a full
ad workout.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
That happens often.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I laugh all the time when I listened to black
Out Tests because Ryan and Karena hot and funny. Thank
you and uh let's see the YouTube comments for this one.
I think this for the first time in a while.
I think we did five episodes in a week. We
been doing like three to four lately. Dark Not just
just said Saturday Mattinee three for ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
All them the old school days.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
I missed that.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, And Ramsey Deepps done says for the feedback show,
five stars, so thank you very much. The poll was,
have has our podcast ever made you cry laughing in public?
Seventy four percent of people yes, twenty six percent No.
I appreciate the honesty for those twenty six percent, but
I mean and the seventy six you know, all the percentage.
But you know that's funny because I've listened to podcasts

(13:08):
that have had me like crying laughing in public, and it's.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just, uh, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's the best worst feeling where you're just like, oh
my god, I can't even control myself right now. All right,
let's play a beat and then we'll come right back
to cover some more episodes, Psycho.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
All right, The next episode is thirty one oh.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Five Me Me Cherry's Big Bake, where we had, of
course guests Me Me Cherry on the show. Ramsey Ramsey
d Jenkins says five stars for this episode. Thank you
Me Me Cherry for sharing your catfish story. Appa said,
sweet guess the catfish story is really educational. I'm glad
she at least didn't lose money. Maybe I should watch

(14:24):
the social fishing documentary. Always suspicions when of romantic interests
all of a sudden starts talking about crypto, But I
get it. You don't want to believe in it in
that moment, and that's their game. It's good to talk
about it and take the shame away. Yeah. I also
feel like people get scammed in real life too, And
we all know crypto people in real life, you know,

(14:47):
like we all know those people where you're like, I
can't believe you're this into fucking crypto and it all
feels like a pyramid scheme selles spitch to me. So
I can see how online somebody would get fall for it,
because it's like, well, I also know people. And I
had a friend that we will be playing basketball and
he's just start bringing up fucking crypto and I'll be like,

(15:07):
what are you trying to get me to back? What
is happening? Yeah, this has nothing to do with what
we were talking about, So yeah, I can see that
happening in a dating situation. Gaining weight in the US Israel,
when I was in school, it was a known fact
that exchange students and went to the US for a year,
came back at US thirty or forty pounds more. It
was so known that people minding your own business about
someone's body was not a thing. Yet it was like

(15:29):
the nineties, she says, like teachers made comments like, oh,
you got fat fast food every day. I see, never mind,
that's what that US weight game. That's that US weight game.
It will go away on its own in a few months.
And it was true. Yeah, I mean, listen, we got
to serve in portion sizes over here.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
And our food is different and not not your fans.
We don't have the same rules and regulations about food.
Is other positive world shit that we eat other positive
area like that shit is banned.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Rona Raphael says, this is super duper episode.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Get rid and Karen and Emmy right now came through
with all the fire questions that I was like, you
read my ma, I needs to know. Shout out to
mee me Cherry, fantastic guests and what a killer podcast name.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
That's just beautiful. You love to see it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I got catfish plenty stories. The one that always gets
me dyed was during the lowest moment in my visa
struggle gads. While in Lagos, I received an email telling
me that she saw my photo and felt that a
handsome guy like me would be good to her. She
was going to leave her wicked family in Russia and
move in with me. I didn't have my own place,
living with my cousins and forest friends sleeping on the floor.

(16:34):
This so called Russian kept wasting beautiful poetry on me.
I didn't know what catfish was, but we were having
a great laugh at this crazy person, who, after I
explained my living conditions, still wanted to come be with me.
I know my sexiness has a strong effect, but come
on now, I look like them feed African kids commercials.
I got bored before the eventual money requests arrived and

(16:55):
blocked the met email. The cousin was also friends with
a few Nigerian princes. Uh so, when in doubt I
asked them, is this you or your rival? I just says,
I mean, why are you so sure it was a
catfit situation, not a lady who was really into you.
I mean, it's too late now, but maybe it was
some sad Russian lady really in love with you and whatever,

(17:16):
And add some unlikely steps here. This is how we
got pootin.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
She said.

Speaker 8 (17:20):
So I think it's funny because that would be a
good rom calm meet cute premise or something not even
meet you, but a good rom com premise is a
person that was a scammer that falls in love with
the person they've been cat fishing and then hi jinks

(17:41):
and hilarity is and too yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Or what would be even funnier is like let's say
let's say it was a person from Russia who was
really trying to look for people and every time to
hit people.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Everybody thought that they was a scammel type of thing
where there was like.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
No I get out from but I really do like you,
and you come to find out they really did. They
picked they really did like them, but to prep everybody
just keep rejecting until they find like somebody was.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Like, that's what I'll be saying, That's what I'll be saying.
I'm saying. I'm saying I would watch a roum com
starring like, you know, somebody as this actual scammer that
just that they start off scamming, but then they developed
feelings for the person they.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
That's the victim, and then uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Everything that happens from that the FBI gets involved in.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
It's hilarito, as they say.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Ms. Barnes says me, me, Cherry was such a fun guest.
I remember Rid posting on the social as a clip
that he was a guest on her show, and in
my head I was thinking, who is this host with
her girls sitting out on the front porch for all
of us to see. I thank god that I wasn't
catfish when I put myself out into the universe today,
but I came across a lot of fake profiles. You
can pick up some context clues when they are talking.

(18:50):
One time, I was talking to a guy pretending to
be from New Orleans. I asked some his favorite foods
and he said pizza, Hamburger's, Chinese food, and fries. That
gave me some pause, because you're saying that you are
New Orleans and you're not talking about any crawfish, Grannis
E two fat gumbo.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Or chickory coffee.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Or the guy that tried to convince me there was
an army base in Anderson, South Carolina. I was like,
I'm an army mom, and there's no army base in Anderson.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
He really tried it.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Man, scammers don't even be googling.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
That's crazy because that's soon you quote unquote non army
person wouldn't know Evie.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
He says, I really enjoyed me me. I hope you
have her on again.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
She was so fun and I know she would be
hilarious playing all the regular show games. When you guys
talked about scams, I remember there was a time I'd
fucked with scammers when I was bored. One particular time,
some guy messaged me on Instagram to tell me I
was cute. I usually bought those types of messages instantly,
but I was bored, and I looked up his profile
and noticed he was a middle aged white guy and
he only followed women in his boo said single father

(19:48):
in England. Bio said single father in England, and there
was just random pics on his account. I knew this
guy was a scammer, and I had time that day.
I told him thanks, and I know his profile said
he had a kid. I told him that I don't
like kids, and if he wants to be with me,
he has to get rid of the kid. He immediately said, okay.
I also told him that I don't like broke men.
He said he would take care of me. Basically, I

(20:10):
made all these weird conditions he kept agreeing to, and
finally I told him he got to send me a
thousand dollars to finish conversation, and he blocked me.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I had a great laugh.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
I didn't expect you to ask for the money.

Speaker 9 (20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
The new thing I've been getting on my Instagram is
the people are like, this girl has a profile and
she thinks you're cute.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Follow her at her real profile.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
And I'm like, are people falling for this?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I just can't.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I can't imagine there's a high rate of return on
this type of like whatever. This is like, who is
the dummy? That is? Like, oh my god, what this
girl is into me? This OnlyFans model. She's seen my
pictures of food and walks and walked leaving the gym.

(21:01):
I gotta get with I gotta drop everything in my
life and leave my family and kids and all this
shit to be with this stranger on the internet whose friend.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Got in my DMS to say she might be into me.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
That's crazy, not to themselves somebody else.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Mimi Cherry responds on YouTube, thank you for having me
on You're welcome no problem. Dark Knam just says winky
Emoji's CMH eight one eight says CHM eight one eight says.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I love this conversation.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I exclusively watch YouTube and never truly listened to podcasts
in general.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Because of access.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
YouTube makes it easier for me to connect with so
many visual podcasts.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I never would have heard of the blackout toops if
it were not for YouTube.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wow. Jason says, I don't use his word often, but
Mimi was delightful. She has all the energy she was Also,
it was also dope in her to share that cafeh
story with the pot and TKG one says, great show,
as always, thank you everybody. We appreciate it. We do.
I'm sure Memi appreciates all these compliments and stuff. You know,

(22:00):
a lot of times when we have guests, it can
get a little bit dicey because like we'll have a
great conversation, people will enjoy the episode, but it's like
just by the mere fact that we had a guest,
some people will just not leave as many comments. I
don't know why, Like maybe they felt like everything was
said and I don't need to add anything. Yeah, yeah,

(22:21):
but yeah, So sometimes I get a little nervous because
I'm like, oh, man, is anybody gonna like leave a
comment and say they enjoyed the guests? Because what if
the guests listen to the feedback show and it's like, oh,
no comments on this episode. It's like, damn, maybe people
wasn't liking them more or whatever. But yeah, so I
like that everybody had nice things to say about me. Me.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I agree the Paul was happy. You ever been catfish?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Thirty three percent? Yes, sixty seven percent. No, what if
y'all being catfish? Y'all don't know it right now, that's
a true story. You might have an internet friend that's
not a real person. Shit, I might, Uh, episode three
six months is no option. We had six comments j
Jail Covain right sying.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Not the Great Kohen.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
First of all, condolences on Black Panther the video game
not happening. Not every film can inspire a hit video game,
let alone several hit video games. No shame in not
reaching that multimedia mountaintop. Well, technically, this Black Panther game
is not the Black Panther game that we found out about,
the one that is, you know, with Captain America in it.

(23:32):
So I guess there were two being worked on at
the same time, and we will get the second one,
not this one. But I didn't even know about this game,
so I don't even I haven't seen a clip of
it or nothing, so who knows. But yeah, totally understand Now,
I don't know what video game The Dark Knight, which

(23:52):
I assume is the movie you're referring to, has, I
don't think. I don't know what video game that would
have promoted, not that I heard of, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Maybe that's something.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Different that you can hit me too, because I mean,
if there's a specific Dark Night game, I'm trying to
google it and I'm not finding anything online about it.

(24:24):
So I don't know. Because I know the Batman Arkham
City games aren't based off of it.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Arkham Asylum and stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Those aren't based off The Dark Knight, so those are
just Batman games based off the comic book. So anyway,
let's see second on the topic of guests, the race
dictator outers. I remember a week I was in Cleveland
and all my second day there was a white man
who was walking across this bridge with his dick out.
Then on the fourth day and the last day on

(24:52):
the same bridge, there was a black.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Man beating his meat on the same bridge.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's that kind of out racial acceptance that maybe want
to be a part of Kileland community community.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And where if you would have found out that white
man was Irish and that black man was Haitian, that
would have really been You would have been in Cleveland
right now. You would have been living there. Lastly, after
this episode, I realized if I had a podcast in
the nineteen tens, it would have been called the Black
Guy Who tents. Yeah, black guy who talented tenths, the
black guy who won fifths? Yeah, well yeah, well talent

(25:23):
the tens is talented tenths from WB to boys, okay, man,
The Black Guy who tenths would have been hilarious. I
kind of would have liked to see an old Tommy
podcast with some old Tommy Mike's and that old Tommy
voice that people used to have. I think the Negro
problem can be solved very easily in six steps. Uh.

(25:45):
I would I would have I would have tuned in
to see that. And now for some cab callaway and
that just cut to some jazz.

Speaker 10 (25:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Apple says, burn it down. People are in reality not
serious or mature people. They expect that after you burned
everything down, stuff will somehow get built, rebuilt like magic,
only better and fairer.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
But who would be the rebuilder?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
God? The government that is otherwise not to be trusted,
as they say themselves. My favorable answer to that is
the people. And I'm always like, you know who elected
the fucked up people in the first.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Place, the people.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't see them rebuilding anything, And so it can
be that you, it can be that you burned it
out down to sit in a burned building for the
rest of your life. Me personally not a fan. It's
the same with people who think that progress is something
that happens authentically, not because people fought for I remember
them wondering, how do we still deal with this in
twenty sixteen? Why not?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
There are always forces in the world that want to
go back.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
If you think progress happens on his own, you stop
appreciating it and are always just mad that it's not
further along exactly right. And this is a big sticking
point for me because I don't think these people will
see it this way. But I'm like, you are indoctrinated,
and you are foolishly accepting some myths that aren't true,

(27:03):
and you need to read more and think more critically
about our history and not just the propaganda you were
sold because you were so the idea that America is
always bending towards justice and fairness.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And freedom, that's what you were sold.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Those people were saying that and writing those things as
they were literally owning other people, raping other people, killing
other people. So this idea, this undercurrent of it'll get
better because it needs to get better, and it'll progress
because that's what America is, is propaganda. When people are

(27:45):
running for office, of course they say that they want
to win, but that is propaganda. There's no real reason
to believe them when they say that. What the things
I believe when politicians say is when they're like, we
need to fight, we need to do this together. We're
truly gonna get this if we do, if we vote.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
For it, and if people don't want to hear that,
And I.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Don't like how people mock that. Right, when you hear
people that mock Obama for saying, don't boot vote, what
are you talking about, He's right, He's one hundred percent right,
because you're not gonna get guns to take to the streets.
You're not those people. And you do keep acting like
it'll just get better because everything just gets better with time,

(28:25):
and that is not true. That's not what's been happening.
We had, uh, we had slavery, then we had a
Civil war. Then we had eight years of reconstruction. Eight
just eight, right, So hundreds of years of fucking decades,
hundreds of years of slavery, the Civil War, eight years
of reconstruction.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
One hundred years of Jim Crow, one hundred years to
the civil rights movement. Like this shit is not a
fucking game, and it will go back. It is going back.
It is being pulled back.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
If you're not tugg on, playing tugger war and pulling
your side of the rope, you're gonna start going the
other direction. That's how it is. There are people who
are alive, it is not just happening by happenstance, who
are pulling the other direction, and they're not giving up.
They're not going home, and they are vigilant. They are
waiting as long as it takes. They don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
If Roe v.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Wade is passed, they will wait forty years, forty years
to be in a position to take that right back
from women. That is what we are facing, and that's
just they're just people are just not prepared to accept
that reality. So we end up in these discussions about

(29:42):
something something the Democrats as opposed to.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
These people really out here, and it's not.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
And no politician can save us with no there's no
message they can give us.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
We have to do it ourselves.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
We have to motivate ourselves and stop making excuses for
our fellow Americans who are either fucking ignorant, complicit, or
just fucking or just fucking. So they think they're being cynical,
but what they're actually being is so idealistic and optimistic
that they they they've mistaken it for cynicism, this whole

(30:17):
like we'll just burn it down and build it again.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
You've mistaken that for cynicism.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You've taken your ignorance and framed it it's some type
of moral virtue. But really you're just being lazy and
up to and unrealistic, because that's not what's gonna happen.
When you look at what's happening and God's are right now,
this is the worst case scenario. This is not the
better case scenario. And no there's no optimism or hope
on the horizon. There is no well, you know what,

(30:44):
maybe the next president will be more forceful.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
These people won't be here for the next president. That's
the reality of it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
And we let theory and debate put us in this
situation because it's very rhetorical when you're not living in it,
when you're just like observing it through an app you're
not thinking of like, yo, even if it fucking compromises
me morally, whatever the fuck, we need to find a
way to stop this, and it won't happen under this

(31:12):
next administration. Even if we lie to ourselves and be like, well,
maybe if possible, we know it won't and it's never
going to happen because it never works out that way
in America. We don't have the opposite type of example
very often in America where it's like, oh, this conservative
person we thought was the worst actually turned out to
be really good and liberal and progressive. We don't have that.

(31:34):
We really have the other thing more often, which is
this person that we thought was progressive got in office,
saw how hard it is and was like, shit, I'm
not gonna be able to do all this unless people
continue to vote and support me, and guess what, they don't.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Agreed, agreed.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
And it's also, in my opinion, one of those things
where I realized for the populace and mass and just
people in general, when you ask them to work, everybody
finds an excuse not to pick up their tools, whatever
their tools are, and do the work. And like you say,
the theories, the hypothesis and all that stuff, that stuff
is cute because you're in guess what, Normally, when people

(32:11):
do that, they're safe. They're in the setting where the
shit is not directly impacting them. They're they're they're they're
they're somewhere where guns aren't being shooting, their kids aren't
being stolen, their children aren't being forced to war. Like
it's real easy to make these theories. And I think
that's how a lot and this is just my opinion,
how a lot of people treated the war over in
Gods and all that stuff. They treated it like that

(32:32):
over here. This is why they didn't take it seriously.
This is why they didn't go out and vote and
prevent the things from happening. Because it's one of them
things where people go it's got worse y, no shit,
we could have told you that, like and and this
is why I say, uh, not everybody, but a percentage
of those people weren't real because if you was really
about that life, you would be like, hey, dog, like,

(32:54):
let's get somebody in office that's going to do something.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Right, let's see says despite the intro, I every time
guess the race goes into sword ratings, I always end
up trying to guess the race of the sword criminal. Yeah,
me too, I hear Sean says. For the fair guy
was considering Galafrian as Sylvester McCoy, the Seventh Doctor was
known for stuffing Ferris down the trousers. I don't get

(33:18):
that Nordy reference. Don't watch Doctor Hill. He says. Money
is always an option, but that guy probably didn't have
a lot of it. I know most of the gender
wars are set ups, but I'd be on the woman's side.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
If a guy really took her to Starbucks for a
first day.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I can see a meetup at a coffee shop to
see if the two of you vibe, but not to
go out to at night. Well, this was during the
day in the video, so just looked like one of those.
It looked like the first the thing you described of
the meet up to check out the vibes. That being said,
I just don't treat these things like they're serious, so

(33:52):
who gives a fuck?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Really?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Gender Wars is one of my favorite segments because eas
scenarios are always so crazy. They are they really are.
But like I said, I'm not gonna fall for the
less debate what happened shit because I don't trust any
of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Ms barn says, thank you for highlighting older rappers and
newer projects. The thing that's been on my mind is
that I like my older rappers and will support the projects. However,
as I get older, I now have the expectations that
my favorite rappers grow and.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Mature as well.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
For example, I listened to the last ghost Face Killer
album and for the most part it was good, but
there was one song talking about sexting females and I
said to my sir, sir, you sound.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
A little ridiculous at this stage of your life. Where's
your growth.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't mean you have to rap about getting the
gout or stretching before you go to bed. I'm making
shure it needs work, but some growths in music style.
I love Eminem However, we have moved from Slim Shady
and that was highlighted very well in his last album,
The Death of Slim Shady.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
FYI Fuel with jig Goes it really does.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
My best example of growth with my rappers has been
to be The Last Days by Onyx, which was my
favorite Onyx song that was in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
It captured the feeling at the time.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
However, there's a reloaded version of Last Days with Dead
Prayers featuring Onyx that highlights growth yet stating fuck the
system that we are in. Also, don't get me started
with Noads and It's King Disease trilogy. Elder Statesman nods
is the best thing out there. He really it really
is like that King Disease joint is really dope. And yeah,
it's it's cool, good old man rap, but it's not

(35:25):
like you're listening to it and feeling like it's corny
or anything.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right AnyWho, I know this comment is long.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
However, this has been on my mind for the last
couple of months and once she touched on this subject,
I had to get my keyboard ready. Lol. Thank you, no,
no problem, and let's see the YouTube comments for money
is no option, which was episode three one oh six
shit twelve comments. All right, let's see what y'all we're
talking about. Dark Namdja says, I was born and raised

(35:55):
in the South Bronx, but I was sent to North
Carolina in nineteen seventy two. I'm lucky to I've had
brothers from the South who helped me navigate that space.
I volunteered to go to the rok to get out
of there. Ramsey pH Done says, thank you both for
providing history lessons and perspectives about Jim Crow and reconstruction.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
You could tell who reads and who does not.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, man, I hate to be one of those people,
but it's not a joke because reading is really more
of a catch all. For hey man, people need to
be more curious about our history. You need to be
a little bit more inquisitive. You need to be a
little bit more research. There's plenty of ways to find
history that's not necessarily reading a book. So reading is

(36:39):
more of a catch all. You could watch documentaries, you
could learn the goat and trying to tell you. Yeah,
there's all kinds of documentaries and audio podcasts have done research.
I hesitate to say too many things because honestly, once
you start getting out there to this the YouTube and
these like unred regulated like tiktoks and all this, right

(37:02):
that sometimes when people are on point and sometimes they're
just making content and they're not really fact checked or
googled or or whatever, they're not there's no backup behind it.
So you can't just trust any and everything. But there's
a lot of reputable sources that you can trust, and
I wish more people would do that because I really
think a huge, a huge, uh exploit in our current

(37:27):
media landscape is how uncurious the people with the biggest
platforms are and how little they retain and how much
I believe that is actually on purpose.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, that they are blank slates.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think they in addition to maybe being dumbasses, which
could be possible, I think it serves them to act
like every time they hear something is a fresh story
with no new background and no context, because it makes
the best content. I think that's why Joe Rogan's a
king of podcasts because if you look at him, he's
the biggest blank slate. He does. Everything is new to

(37:59):
him every time he hears it, and he's always quote
unquote curious about it while retaining almost nothing. And that's
why it continues to blow up, because he can have
someone come on there and tell him that Nazis are
fake and that and that never happened, and the Holocaust
isn't real, and he can have somebody on that the
next day that's like from the Holocaust Museum and be like,

(38:21):
here's all the evidence.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
He'll treat both of those people the same. Big it's
he says.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Rod and Carraen most underrated part of the podcasting me
is Rodd's book Recommendation and History Lessons.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
As a history enthusiast, I can't get enough.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
I like to recommend A Fever in the Heartland to
you both into the Black autist community. It's about the
Rods of the Klan in the nineteen twenties, but still
so relevant today and so on. The girl on the
other side of the road said, I've read the first.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Chapter of the book. What a good recommendation.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
All right, I'll type that down, A Fever in the Heartland.
Let me put that in my show notes in case
I want to add that to my wish list. And
the heart man, yeah, and don't forget we have an
Amazon wishless so if y'all ever want to get us
a book or something, Kendle books are on there, and

(39:12):
I'll be reading Kendle. That's what I do.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
He reads a uh.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
The Girl on the Other Side of the Road also
said that gender War deserved a ten, but I'll give
it a nine because of the music. They've already told
me which side to be on. Iz left a bunch
of heart emojis. Damien says Redman's Muddy Waters album is
fire bornito on Nita says there are people that don't
believe Harry Tubman was real. I've heard about this loosely

(39:36):
on TikTok, but if I'm being honest, I've heard more
about people correcting those people and being like finding those
people to be ridiculous, and I've heard about people actually
believing that Harry Tubman wasn't real. My understanding is even
the first woman that made the video apologized and said
like she had misinformation or something. I don't know. I'm

(39:58):
very dubious of just this type of full minding that
is happening out here, and I don't know, uh, I
don't know what is being truly gained from this type
of ridiculousness. Other than to just see like who's impressionable
enough or who is going to be triggered enough to

(40:19):
help these people's likes and comments and views go up?
Because who really heard that went oh shit every time?
Wasn't real?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Who really that you respect?

Speaker 7 (40:31):
Who with your respect?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Would you be able to do that too? Like a child?
Maybe like a children falling for I just I don't
know what the goal is, but it just seems weird,
and I try not to give it too much attention
because I feel like the backlash is more than the
original thing at this point, right, Like I've only seen
people mad about people not believing Harry Tubman is real.

(40:53):
I've not seen anyone who's like, no, but for real,
she's not real, Like you know what I'm saying, there'sn't
no podcast as clip, there's no person that you know
like Van Lathan is not like you know, Harry Thomas
not real, Like no one of any import would say that.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I think E forty b legit still hitting.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Says Thomas, and Jason says, y'all said, y'all were not
against old rap. We're not against old rappers, but we
are against these duds. Yo. That burn is all down
left Uh, that burn it All Down Left is mad annoying,
say what you want about to burn it all down, right,
but they at least have a January sixth on that
burn it All down resume they got.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
They got something like we we said it and we
were we were trying to burn it for real.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Ship if you keeping it real about burn it all
down right, They got way more than just January sixth.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
They got.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
They got the current iteration all.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Fifty states probably got to burn it all down in
one of them sitting when the city in your state.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
They tried to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer and this recently. Yeah,
that's that's they were shooting at the FBI, I remember
under Mayor Garland and shit.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
And then yeah, didn' some dude break into what'smen called
the house and attacked her husband.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Uh, they have that burn it
All Down certification. Yeah, and that's before we get into
like Wilmington and Rosewood and shit. The burn it All
Down Left is still studying for the burn It All
Down exam. Yeah, yeah, it was. Minds you of the
last episode of Rick and Morty where the people that
were the rebellion fighting against the Galactic Empire, and they

(42:28):
just kept having like meetings and fucking objections to like, well, no,
we should do this, and then no, well hold on,
we have to do this first, and we can't do
that because that's on such and such and I'm like,
that's that's us and the quote unquote these people that
want to have a left wing revolution in America is
a lot of like, okay, but we can't do it

(42:48):
on Tuesday because that's such and such day, and we
can't do this And what about the people whose children
that aren't really that it's not their fault that it's
like whatever, we're not ready. I wish I could let
it go, but I'm still furious about anyone who didn't
vote in twenty twenty for anyway. That gender wars is
pretty good. I will say, in this climate, we can't
be having too many interracial gender wars. Congress might need
to step in and regulate those. The white girls sort

(43:10):
of resemble old girl from Centers, so it was even timely.
I was also struck by the lack of profanity, but
that had that was also smart because they wanted better
box office numbers. I think it worked. Yeah, I didn't
even notice that. But yeah, though PG thirteen is don't
don't go out the way to rate it r if
you can't, if you can help it, you want to
get as many views as possible. And the poll was

(43:31):
coffee first dates, Yes or no. Ninety four percent of
people said yes, six percent saying no.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
That is reasonable first time I meet you, that is
reasonable because guess what, if it's cool, we could just
sit here talking. If it ain't, it's coffee dog. Okay,
I finished my cup, I got to go.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, I'm with you, Karen. I think coffee dates sound
cool to me.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I'm not obviously not in these Dayton streets, but sound
like a cool, like little medium. Especially you just want
to fill in the vibes of like is are we
good or not?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (44:02):
And then you don't have no obligations and not just
funny people are crazy. And it's one of them things
where ay, if somebody, if either party offers to pay,
is not that much. It's not like you're fucking breaking
the bank, or it's not like I pay for mine,
whatever arrangements y'all decide.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And it's not like sexual pressure, right cause it's like
a coffee day in the middle of day is not expensed.
It's like, no, weird, like, and now we have to
go back to my place, right, I mean you could,
but it's not like you have It's not like that expectation, right, like.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Oh, and now we must kiss at the end of
the you know.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Yeah, nigga, you bought me an eight dollar lot. Take
get up my face?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh. Episode thirty one oh seven Deflated Jail Covan says
it's someone who read the Jake Tapper book on Biden
a few things to defend the book, though I know
Tappa is revealing himself every day to be more and
more of a both sides smug dude. I do think
it's news worthy, important history. Almost everyone only talked to
them after the election, so there was really no way
for this book to be written PubL any faster than

(45:00):
it was.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
You know how I feel about Biden and Trump, etc.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
So I still found it eye open it though for me,
no one seems to credit to Biden's the Democrats' fear
of looking weak in the face of a resurgent Trump
as a reason to protect weaknesses. Democrats has always appeared
to be damned if you do, damned if you don't, Right, Yeah,
and for the record, you've not heard me say it,
and you won't hear me say it, even though I
know it's very popular to say this about this book

(45:25):
and all these tell our books. I'm not one of
the why didn't you tell us a long time ago?
What I'm saying is it is literally too late to
litigate this, yes, and there is nothing to be done,
meaning whatever you feel should be the consequences for Democrats

(45:52):
having let's go to the worst case scenario, having let
Biden stay in office too long knowing he was not
mentally fit for the office the entire time or at
some point, because I still don't know the exact timing
of it, because it feels and maybe I would have
to read the book, but it feels like the timing

(46:13):
has to be weird, just because he was competent enough
to run for president and beat Trump, and then it
sounds like almost immediately people are like and then he
just should have he was not fit for office immediately,
if you believe Jake Tapper and his unnamed anonymous sources.
So if he is telling the truth, and that's what happened,

(46:36):
Biden did step down. He just didn't step down the
first day that whatever was, you know, it was too
fuck but he stepped down when public confidence was like, bro,
you need to step down, and then they lost. So
I don't even know what are we even gaining from
this because his mediator has been Tapper being like these

(46:57):
fucking democrats, right, And I've just found that to be weird.
I think that's not necessarily meaning the moment and it
would have been I think just still a way to
write and promote this book in a way that's like
more sympathetic and understanding of the tragedy of these circumstances

(47:18):
and what it led to a not a these fucking democrats.
Many they dang shit and they said, my son play
video games and want to be a cop. That's the problem.
So keep in mind, and I know, you know, for
what you do, jail, you kind of have to stay
up on all this shit because you know, literally you're
making content based off of this, and I think it

(47:39):
would be a bit of a you know, it would
be a bad form for you to be like I
object to this book. I ain't reading It's like you
should probably read it because what you're doing content based
off this. But that being said me, book buyer book reader,
I'm not His promotion of the book is making me

(48:00):
doubt the premise of the book, right, And I don't
think that's smart promotion. Like coming off like you're angry
at the Democrats and you're gonna get them just feels
like the wrong message because who are you selling the
book to? Probably Democrats who are in dismay looking for
some like way forward and for like some explanation of

(48:24):
how things got here. Well, why would you piss off
all those voters in that way? Because I know the
Republicans are not buying this book. They're not like, finally,
Jake Tapper one of us. He's come to the dark
side and we can all celebrate this. They'll use him
for these interviews, but they.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Don't like media people. They don't trust Jake Tapper anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
They trust anyone else who's not on one American News
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
And they don't need it to be true.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
So they're not like, oh, the proof on March he
forgot he walked in the closet and got lost there
it is. We finally have truth and evidence and we
can share it. They don't give a fuck about that.
They're like we were saying the man pissed on himself
in front of everybody, and we photoshop pissed on his
pants and we don't care that it wasn't true. You

(49:16):
comment on Trump and Israel. Here to be another dims
as a single mom gps dad beat dad's level of expectations. Agreed.
Tapper actually writes briefly that one of the biggest points
of disagreement between Harris and Biden was on Israel. She
would have taken a tougher stance on Israel, but was
in a tough spot because you don't want to attack
your sitting president's foreign policy. I find it so emblematic
of our current politics that right wing people will portray

(49:37):
Harris as the most radical left wing politician if it
can hurt her. But then, on the top of like guys,
the left wing people assumed that she would maintain the
most conservative stance just to not vote for her. Yep,
that's it right there. Everything a nutshell, bro, You publicly
summed it up. And I think it's so interesting too,
because and I really don't feel like I was reading
into this. I thought it was kind of obvious and apparent.

(50:00):
He did not feel the same way about Gaza and
Israel and Palestine as Biden. But it was obviously bad
form and bad strategy to be up there campaigning as
if like fuck Biden, He's I'm the new I'm the
new sheriff in town. It was like, let me get

(50:20):
in office, and I'm going to do what I can
to fix this thing.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Now, maybe she would have got an office and not
done those things and we would all be sitting here
like fuck. I guess she was just like Boden. But
if I don't think you can say certain things out
loud in America, you just have to go do them.
Every time someone gets close to saying certain things out loud,
we see the punishment they received for those things. So
you just have to get in office and do them.
But uh, yeah, that didn't happen.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
That's what Republicans do all the time.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
And some of the things they say they're gonna do,
everybody acts stupid like they can't read between the lines,
and then ask shocked and surprise when they tell you
what they gonna do. And then sometimes they don't tell
you what they're gonna do. They just getting the office
and they.

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Do the shit.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Well, it's just it's like Mary said in the chat,
it's like what Obama in gay marriage. There was never
a point in time where I honestly thought Obama was
against gay marriage.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And for people, you know, listen, I get it. You're
an activist, you're a person who's a private citizen. The
consequences are not big for you to say anything that
the country won't be in a lurch if people get
mad at you cause you're like, I won't gay marriage
tonight or whatever. You know what I'm saying. But for

(51:30):
a guy running for president, if he loses and he
would have been like an ally and a supporter of
gay marriage and marriage equality and all this stuff, he's like,
I gotta do the math so that I win enough
for the percentage of people voting, but also get in
a position where I'm passing these laws and I'm making

(51:50):
this environment so that when it is time for Marriage
Equality Act to pass, I've done all the groundwork and
normalized it in a way that won't be controversial. So
when we're flying pride flags outside of embassies and shit,
I need to make sure that this is a place
where that can happen and scaring everybody In twenty in

(52:11):
two thousand and seven means I'm not president in two
thousand and eight, right, And that's just the politics of America.
That's the game they do have to play, right, And
that's the real cynicism I wish people had instead of thinking, no,
my centicism is secretly this person hates gay people. That's
not really centicism. Cynicism is when you make these calculations

(52:33):
of like na, the centicism is you gonna have a
lot of these people and get an office in and
do what you want to do.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
I have one hundred percent agree.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
And it's one of the things about even Harris when
she was initially picking her VP, and I'm not trying
funnybody was throwing up all these names. I was like, hey, y'all,
ain't nothing of the names gonna work. I get what y'all won't.
Y'all want this to be some radical thing where we're
making a point. But also you need to be elected,
you need to be the entire country.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, it's math, it's logistics, but yeah, I get it.
It's people wanted to just be like a TV show.
You get up there, you say the truth, everyone likes it,
and you win, and it's just that's never been America.
You know, Abraham Lincoln did not run on and even
got into war by saying it's about freeing and slaves. Now,
he may maybe that was his motivation, maybe it wasn't. Well,

(53:24):
we don't. We can never truly understand what's in his heart.
He gets all the credit for freeing and slaves as
people like to talk about it, But if we're being honest,
that's not a thing.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
He ever said.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Nope, So like something like, you can't because he knows
if he would have said that, there would have been
no Civil war. If you would saying we are doing
this to free the black slaves in the South, white
people would have been like, and you expect me to
go die for that? No, you got to turn it
into some other shit. I just says for anyone asking
why didn't she leave earlier talking about Cassie and the

(53:56):
puff daddy stuff, Uh, what's wrong with you? Seriously, a
young woman under a real threat of getting killed as
she left. I was never even in a physically abusive relationship,
but at twenty two I had a terrible boyfriend and
still had a hard time leaving because of my all
the relationships work would be for nothing delusion.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, and you said, and that's not even like.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
An abuse situation. So once you throw some abuse in there,
it's crazy. I've just read this book Grown, not too
long ago, and I think I mentioned it on the show.
But it was really good. It was a really good
book and really smart book. But it was about a
young black woman, a real black girl. She was still
in high school, I think, like seventeen, who is by

(54:36):
Tiffany D. Jackson. But she meets this like grooming r
Kelly like figure. And a big part of the grooming
and conditioning was the idea of making someone fall in
love with you who really had no agency of their
own and no experience outside of you, and you know,
all the stuff that they do that we read about

(54:58):
isolation and you know, uh the love bombing versus the
you know, the abuse, and then the big acts of
like making up and all this stuff. And I love
that the book put you inside the seventeen year old
girl's head because she is like I can fix on.
She is like all the typical things that you know,

(55:19):
we think that would never happen to my daughter me,
They would never People's brains are much more easily conditioned
than folks want to give credit to you, know, so
I just think that's the reason the books have the
same steps for everybody. Like you can think you different
and stronger and better, and maybe you feel that way,

(55:40):
and maybe you are. But in general, if that was true,
we wouldn't need a fucking textbook, and all of them
had the same steps on This is how an abusive
relationship keeps people locked in a cycle of abuse.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Yeah, they all have this.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
They might be different variations, they might use different words,
but but everybody's like, hey, these are the signs.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah right. Ron A Rothfiel says, I was about to vote,
but I noticed your trap not getting the Parabi Kuran
today the poe was hear me out, Janet Reno, yes
or no. Over six years, two of my friends, both
men in the thirty eight to forty nine age range,
ran away from New York City to states and cities
in the Midwest and South to begin afresh. It was

(56:19):
almost two years after each one left that they were
finally comfortable sharing that they were both in abusive relationships.
Both men didn't know each other by the way, up
to the point that they had to cut off friends
and family. I had met one of the former partners.
It was early in relationships, so no alarm bells went off,
But for the fact that two younger military veterans changed
everything from social media to cell phone. It changed my
perspective as up until that I might have sounded like

(56:41):
Bill Martin. The pass and seeing the men it happened
to and knowing that physical size had nothing to do
in that case, as both men were physically fit and
bigger than their abusers, showed me that there's layers to
domestic abuse. If I don't have a clue, it's okay
to be quiet and seek the right info. Oh, by
the way, the abuser that I had met once tried
to use a clone account on Twitter to trick me

(57:02):
into giving her info about the whereabouts on my friend.
I slipped at the last second and realized, Oh, she
slipped at the last second and realized that she had
been to my former place with him. Reply has been
pending since then. Imagine me after witnessing that now reverting
back to I don't believe Cassie or going to fifty
cent route. Nah, shit's too real. Yeah, And I, like

(57:24):
I said, I think the shame of it is a
big thing that keeps people from sharing. And once you
add the genderized ideal of like a man being abused,
I'm sure there's many, many, many men who are abused
in silence like it's like ours. And this is not
a thing where I'm trying to blame women and shit,

(57:46):
because i think one of the biggest slighter hands that
men do these days is they bring up men being
abused and how no one cares, and then they flip
it completely into like women because it's women's and that's.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Not that's patriarchy's fault. And patriarchy is.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
And will always be something that is designed by and
for men. Now, the point is that I'm making and
this is one step, just one, it's just one more
step further than women. So women could beat men, women
can have sex with boys in high school. This isn't
about these individual women. Obviously that is wrong. Anytime someone's

(58:31):
abusive is always wrong. The point that I'm making is
a society that is set up to say you can't
abuse a young boy sexually because all young boys want sex,
so therefore any sex they get is consensual and okay,
and if anything, you pat them on the back and go,
look at you, young stud that's a man issue, that's

(58:53):
not a woman issue. Men set up a designed to
society where we're supposed to not see the humanity in
our young boys. They set up a society where the
sexual abuse that happens to boys goes unseen, and if
it happens in the same sex way, so like a
man molesting a boy, we then go, well, don't take

(59:17):
that's a shame because now you're gay, something's wrong with you,
you're weak, something you know like, so now they don't
want to tell us for those reasons. Once again, a
patriarchal thing. Does that mean women cannot be complicit and
participating in patriarchy? Of course they can. All of us
can participate in it. That part is not genderized, meaning
there are women who think it is weak for a

(59:39):
man to cry, But you know where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
A society to set up by men.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Who say it's weak for men to cry, and some
women buy into it, and something don't I need to
make that distinction because anytime someone brings up men being
victims of abuse, sexual salt, stuff like that, it needs
to be clarified that this is not just because women
just as bad as men fuck them That's why you

(01:00:04):
know that we need to make that clear, because most
men will not take the time to make that clear,
and it will just sound like they're saying and women
are just as bad as men. All abuses bad, period,
point stop. The society that makes abuse possible is a
responsibility we all have to fight against. But is a
society that was set up by a bunch of white men.

(01:00:27):
That's in America at least that's how it happens. F
why for the guests the right segment, Dairy Queen and girl,
Dairy Queen, Grill and Chill, says Pemela, and make are
the full service restaurants where they also serve hot food.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
Oh okay, so we just been to this regular as
dairy queen, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I've had I've seen hot food for sealing dairy Queen.
I don't think I ever bought any, but I've seen it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I remember that one over by like Cotswold that I'm
pretty sure had burgers on the menu and shit not
just like what oh it did?

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
And confue, I was like, I don't want to funk,
I want to burgle a houtout foe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Although Sean says they're good I do have it on
my list.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I was confused.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I have it on my list of burgers I would
like to try.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I only know this because my son got a gift
certificate from his office for his birthday a year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
He ain't gonna eat there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I tried to get a burger for lunch, but apparently
I was at one that just served ice cream. Still
have to use it, even he says, I have an
actual hear me out the Predator. Yeah, he hunts people
for sports. Plus on the plus side, he's a good hunter,
so you know, he always had meat on the table.
He's tall, has a nice body. Sure he's facially challenged,
but if he's on your side, he'll be loyal. I mean,

(01:01:36):
just make him keep the helmet on when you have
said uh. He will always reward you for a job
well done. He's athletic, so he has lots of staminas,
so you know what that means. I can't be the
only one who was shipping him and Sonnihilatan and Alien
versus Predator. I wanted him to kiss so bad. I
was shipping him too, But kissing those mandibles, I just
can't see how it works. I feel like kiss him

(01:01:59):
and then pinchers just like pinch it to your cheeks
and kill you. But I mean, look, I always make
the predators. To me, I always thought that was black
because they got that hair like driads even he says,
I agree with you about checkers and rallies. I've never
seen in a good neighborhood. But you know what in
the good restaurants and good neighborhoods and have good food. Girl,

(01:02:20):
of course we know Applebee's eating good in the neighborhood.
Thank you, She says, Arby's, you can get a good
meal without a side that's hot lead. Lives. Don't care
who telling because you I think if you do opposite
you can get Because I'm not even sure you can

(01:02:41):
get a good meal number one and a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Side of hot lead. I don't even know if you
can do that, not get that? So all right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Ten comments on our next on this episode on YouTube,
and Nad says, good morning's one twenty eight am. You
have become my best friends. Look forward to seeing on YouTube. Man,
you really be on it, because that's one twenty am.
Is like when the episode is allowed to be on YouTube,
I go to bed at night, letting it upload your overnight. Yep,

(01:03:10):
how we I am still full from three one oh
six it was heavy. I'm glad. I'm waiting for them
to start going into European and Asian nclass on the
East and West coast, says dark Namda mcdiala's Golden Arts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Guess the right segment was good today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Thanks for the last. So that's all of him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
The girl on the other side of the road say's trumping.
The Republicans run.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
On Dei's being unskilled, just for him to be the
most unreliable, dysfunctional, underqualified government ever. These people can't even
do the minimum. I really can't believe that someone could
be this bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
At destroyed the government.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
The Heritage Foundation provided him with a step by step
playing and he's still failing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
The worst part is that this will become the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Norm for all future presidents. It will be interesting to
see because I still the only hope I have is
that it will get so bad that the next president
will be a or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
That seems to be the way it goes in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
It's just shit gets so bad only an excellent person
can make it work again. But it's sad because it's
not like it's gonna make everything magically better, and people
will give up on that president within like eight months,
like you didn't get everything right away?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I quit this why I don't vote. Kevin says, y'all
are so right about who gets blamed about what happens
in this Country's frustrating to see everyone blame them for
everything Taco does. People be like, how the damn is
just gonna let him deport families or they're letting him
destroy the economy. I just don't get it. We are dumb.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Populous, yes we are, and we do not know how
government works.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
People do not know how the government work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
We do not have a king, Like just what happened
to I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Just a Bill? Is that why they getting rid of
all the public shit? So people won't ever learn from
songs like that? The kids ain't got no I'm just
a Bill hip hop remixes these days, Damn. Kochrie Enegro says,
always good to find you here if I missed the
live show, and Jason says, y'all are so right. It
was Joe's genocide, then Trump came back, and now it's

(01:05:09):
exclusively Israel's genocide. Damn they're too those two they're two Wait,
there were two stories of fast food workers going off
of burger critiques. Yeah, so be careful. Honestly, I think
this is a Subway's fault once they started calling them
people sandwich artists.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
These fast food workers ain't here for the disrespect.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Now, sandwich artists.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
If you ask pickles, if you ask pickles, but for pickles,
but your burger didn't have any.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
That's just creative licensing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Each your art.

Speaker 7 (01:05:35):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Uh. And then the poe was hear me out Janet
Reno seven percent? Yes, ninety three percent. No, now that's
to hear me out. See what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Hear me out should not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Have ninety percent. Yes, it should be a very low
percentage of some hardcore freaks. That's like, you know what, Yes,
Janet Reno can get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
That's that's that's some perfect hear me out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
And let's go to the last episode, but first a
little music and then we'll come right back.

Speaker 11 (01:06:07):
I turned.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Oh all right. The last episode of the week, thirty
one oh eight, how the dermatology industry is failing people
of color with Doctor T. A. Paul And we got
seven comments. So the guest episodes got comments this week. Yay, Yeah,

(01:06:58):
we love to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Literally, it's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Runner ro Fel says, another award winning episode right here.
I'm glad that doctor Ta tackled that loading up of
so much stuff on the face and that is not
even necessary when you're in your twenties. As someone trying
to raise a multi dimensional daughter, I tried to get
ahead of the game, only to get confused by a
young sister was barely twenty. On one of her videos
that had gotten to ten minutes, she was still applying

(01:07:24):
different stuff to the face. The face was already glowing
more than Adam Warlock, but more stuff kept being at it,
and I just knew that I would fail this test
and unfollowed got me all confused and wondering if I
was toxic for not supporting a black girl glow. I
got my issue separate with the VA handles, but I
am always worried about the kiddo and trying to give

(01:07:44):
her glowing skin because I failed the community if my
kid isn't at glowing skin. Shaking my head. This was
such a much needed episode, definitely following Doctor t on
Ig great work.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Yeah, naturally skinned does not glow like you know, and
I didn't even think about it until they said it.
A lot of that has to do with the light,
like because a lot of times you watching that glowing
skin shit, it's normally.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Through a YouTube video, exactly when you see people in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Real life and regular ass lighting nobody's skin fucking blinds
you like a diamond.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
That's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, Pamela Ma says, how whoever had the question about
Vanit kream and body all, I wholeheartedly support the concept.
I'm not an influencer, I'm not on social media, nor
have I been paid for this endorsement. Assuming you're talking
about lotion and slash cream for the body, I've been
s been mixing oil in my hand, combining it with
whatever lotion is available for years, sweet almond oil for
spring summer and grape seed oil for fall winter. Laureni

(01:08:37):
Eleven says, enjoyed this episode. Doctor Tia touched on this briefly.
But yes, some medical advice comes without evidence based studies.
I did not fully realize this until I was pregnant
and learned that, of course they do. They can't do
controlled experiments trials on pregnant mothers. It will be unethical
most of us will still follow the doctor's orders because
they are the experts and can make safe assumptions based

(01:08:59):
on what they were the research. But sadly, some people
use lack of evidence talking point as a way to
spew miss information online. The only part of the discussion
that felt a little awkward for me were her comments
about people not washing their hair. Obviously understood her basic point. Yes,
the majority of people do need to wash their hair
pretty frequently, but given that we are that minority audience
of people that do benefit from less frequent watchers, I

(01:09:21):
would have been it would have been nice for her
to acknowledge that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
I want and I read this comment.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
First of all, I want to bring up the point
that we were actually talking about YouTube creators and like
like like people online that were saying don't wash your
hair at all, and so that's what kind of she
was commenting on. And even through that statement, she didn't
say don't wash your hair at all, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
So that's what we were saying.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Because the thing about watching a lot of people on YouTube,
a lot of times they just be talking like particularly
like I have natural hair, and so there are things
that I can do with my hair, and I'm watching
the video.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
I was like, oh, this video is not for me.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
And so talk from a doctor perspective, She's like, hey,
you actually do need to wash your is actually healthy
to wash your hair.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
The frequency that varies.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
You know, some people may need to wash their hair
more often than others, you know, and even some black
people actually need to wash their hair more often than
we actually do, you know, kind kind of you know,
you know, depends and so, you know, just for.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
Healthy, clean, scalping, all that stuff, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
But that's what that comment was on, just so you know,
it wasn't like she was just making a blanket statement.
Was actually talking about some of the trends online, and
one of the trends was people not washing their hair
and people telling people don't wash your hair at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Thank you for clearing that up, Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I've just says with the new American administration and their
efforts to end any kind of diversity and even publish
their own state man that the health sized journals, it
will get worse for people of color. They absolutely need
to be represented in clinical trials, especially in subjects like dermatology,
to allow insights for others. Eve says, I've been to
two white dermatologists, but never again. I'm sure they'll find

(01:10:52):
doctors for white skin, but black woman dermatologists I go
to now is own point and we need more black
dermatologists in general. I've learned so much by going to
someone who understands a complexity of black skin. This is
such a great guess and informative show.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
I realized I've only seen two dermatologists in my lifetime,
and the one that I go to now she's a
black woman. And I think also from my experience, the
black woman I'm seeing, she's more detailed and she actually
kind of explains more to me and kind of tells me, a,

(01:11:29):
this is this, and this affects this, and because you,
like you say, she kind of she specializes in everybody's skin.
But you know what I'm saying, It's like she could
pick up on things and actually diagnose me for something
that I've been having for a long time. And so
it's just one of those things where I just, you know,
I appreciate having a dermatologist that cares, you know about

(01:11:50):
you and your skin. It actually tries to find, you know,
out about these things and told me, hey, we found
out that these things you know, affect you more than
others and things like that. And I appreciate any doctor
regardles of the color of skin to be like, hey,
just like you know this infects African Americans more than
any other group. Just keep it real versus just having
you think something's wrong with you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I had a white dermatologist and I went to a
black dermatologist because the white dermatologists, you know, when I
went in there, it was like, oh, the epidermist is
next to the epicarious level of the skin. And then
I went to the black dermatilogists, it was like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Gotta clean these poor motherfucker God damn bitch, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
So I got a black dermatoloist because I need people
talk to me in ways I understand.

Speaker 7 (01:12:35):
I do not believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Better use some of this motherfucker oxy bitch.

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
I think these are false statements you are making.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Well, you clearly never had a white dermatologist, so how
would you I have Okay, well they must not, so
then you didn't find this example. You didn't your white
dermitagist wasn't like, oh look at let me check out
the layer. Did you know the skin is the biggest
organ in the body that you didn't have them say
that to you. And they walked kind of like the
butt was all tight.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
No, that did not have and they pull up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
They pulled up to the to the dermatology building. They
be listening to like what's so wild you work?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Okay Society and then.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
When a black person pulled up, they'd be like, what
them dollars at? What them dollars at? They pull up
in their car with the basis.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
No, this fantasy world is not real that you are
making up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
I mean, they might be listening to that music, but
some of the some of these things on that based
in facts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Well that's what I experienced, so you can't take away
from my experience.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Tanya says.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Doctor Paul was such a great guess is so informative. Also,
all I can think of is a sign for episode
whre Jerry Collins the dormatologist friend doctor pimple Popper b MD,
and then so and immediate came up there and thanked
her for saving his life from skin cancer. Karen, you
mentioned being diagnosed with HS. Isn't that the skin condition
that Serland has has? Thank you for a great episode.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
Hey, I'm not sure, and if it is, it's a
much much more advanced version of what I have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I think it is. I think it is the same.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Though, Okay l has Yeah, because they have like different
kind of levels of it, if that makes sense, And
just hearing Stern Liss to his story, his version is
more advanced.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean I mean, you know, it's
like someone can have uh, you know, different varying.

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
Degrees of stuff, yes, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
But I think it is the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
Okay, Yeah, I mean I just remember having.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
A long ass name and abbreviation man hs.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
And I don't know if he has to get shots anything,
but I know for me, I had to get you know,
shots for reproduction and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
He's talked about that. Yeah, he's not to get surgery.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Yeah, and I haven't had Yeah. Yeah, my doctor she
was saying, like some people get bad with that. They
do they have to have surgery and things to remove it,
and it gets to the point where almost is debilitating,
where they can't move around and things like that, Like
mine has never got to that point.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Shoe Boody says, the way I sent this episode to
the group chat and let them know to hurry up
and listen. Doctor t had touched on so many issues
we are dealing with in a relatable way. We are
so bombarded by medical influencers now that it's hard to
parse out the good advice from someone just trying to
sell us shit. Absolutely great episode, Thank you, and let's
see YouTube. We had nine comments on this one as well.

(01:15:26):
YouTube was blowing up this week. Darkknledger left three comments.
The skin is the largest organ in the body, covering
this entire exists external surface. The skin has three layers epidermis, dermis,
and hydro hydrodermist hypodermist, which have different anatomical structures and functions.
See that's what my white dermatologists told me. I remember that.
That's exactly how you said it too, Like the skin

(01:15:47):
is the largest organ in the body, covering this in
external external surface. And I said, oh man, I gotta
give me a black dermatologist. And he was like, slap
me some skin, motherfucker onf and he like slapped me
on hand. Doctor Paul to take a look at my dermatitus.
Maybe I can save some money or have to use
that Corter zone ten on having to use that quarter

(01:16:08):
Zone ten. All right with fly your ass out there
to California. Play My Mom says this is a very
informative podcast. I guess so knowledgeable and pleasure On the podcast,
great show, c HM says, thank you for this topic.
The question I have would be her advice on picking
up as this esthetician or facialist. What hey, she we

(01:16:28):
gave you her social medias. Go into comedy in the
check in the comments and ask her. I'm sure she'll
make a video if she doesn't already have one. On TikTok,
Jay Ford said, I'm so glad y'all talked about skincare influencers.
These people be acting like that there most qualified, more
qualified the dermatologists with no school in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
The train and speak of right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, And like I thought, doctor Paul was so gracious
because she did not like dismiss or belittle those people.
She was just saying, like, anecdotally, folks have things that
work for them, and it's not always something I can
learn in my school. The stuff I learned in my

(01:17:09):
school doesn't work on everybody. So someone could anecdotally be
telling you the truth that blank thing worked for them,
but it could also not work for you or it
could be like risky or dangerous to have side effects
that aren't really we don't know about because and that
they don't even know about because they're not a doctor
and they're not held to those standards.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Right, Thank you both.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
And doctor Pover is in formative episode regarding our skin,
says Erica, and that says, thanks so much for sharing
this information heart, much needed, great questions, great job. Four
forty eight am. I don't know why they keep putting
the time, but okay, I'm up early, right, Carell says,
oh wait. Joseph says. Carell has a lot of lotions

(01:17:55):
that contain ceremonies, and it has been the best.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
For fine, for for ezema for me, so okay, uh
so there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
All right, let's get into.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
And I am so really glad that people really enjoyed
that guest, because when we were talking about getting her
on any things, I was like, I have tons of questions,
and I appreciate not trying to finding her, not thinking
that questions were stupid, you know, or like dismissing questions,
you know, like very open to even the questions that
the audience had, you know, because like my questions about

(01:18:29):
dangel is the question I've asked I've been a kid.
I was like, you know, can you get Dane you know,
in your eyebrows? You know, I know that might sound wow,
but come to find out, you can get it on
other parts of your body, which I didn't know. So
I appreciate her, like you said, gracing us with the
knowledge and not dismissing anything as you know, stupid, because
you know she knows things that the general mass does not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Yeah, and you had great questions and Kay prepared to
ask questions, and uh, that was a guest specifically. They're
people reached out to us, and you know, I'm like, like,
if it was just me by myself, I probably would
not have chose to have that person on, not in
any dismissive way, but just on something like I guess

(01:19:12):
this is a really what our podcast does and is about.
But I'm like, you know it that our podcast can
be anything about anything, talking to anyone, And I'm like, well,
maybe if Karen is interested in having her on, then
we can do it. And then, you know, I'm always
looking for ways to get Karen active in the show,
especially when we have guests, because a lot of times

(01:19:35):
you kind of like look at It's like looking at
someone played double Dutch and decided not to jump in,
just like just jump in. It's not a formal conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You ask the question.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I can see you over there hesitating and pausing, and
I don't get it. So like when we have a
guest like this, I don't I don't have to worry
about that as much because you really do have questions
for him and are curious.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
Yes, And I didn't even go through all of my
questions like I have.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
We didn't have time because literally had an hour with her.
She stayed over the hour, Yes she did, but which
is very nice of her. But I promised her people
that it was just an hour. So that was why
I was like, shit, I don't think we're gonna have
And the audience asked a lot of questions, Yes they did,
so I had to make an audible like what do
we do? I only asked the questions we did, or
let the audience get they questions in that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
And I appreciate the questions that the audience had because
you know, some of them questions. Some of their questions
were like things that you know, I wouldn't even thought
of and things like that. And also that's actually a
bonus to actually come live, you know, and things like that,
so you can actually interact and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
That's like a plus.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
So for those people that, like I had all these
questioning things like that, you actually could have asked those
questions if you would have been live in the chat.
So shout out to the chat room for actually, you know,
helping facilitate, you know, the questions doing that show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
All right, voicemail time. All right, people call it the

(01:21:31):
voicemail line and left us messages. I think we got five,
so let's see what you guys had to say.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Hey to Telega, I was really disheartened at the possibilities
I wouldn't be able to leave long with investages. So
I'm glad we're back. Anyway, I'm listening to thirty one
or four year feedback episode, and as I do, I
have feedback on the feedback episode, and you're talking about Bernie,

(01:22:03):
and I wanted to just briefly talk about my history
because I was introduced to Bernie maybe like ten years ago,
oh gosh, maybe even fifteen, almost twenty years ago, when
he would call in on Friday to Tom harton SO Radio. Show,
and I was a fucker for what he was saying,

(01:22:26):
because he was talking about the system in terms of
anti capitalism, and I, of course was hanging around my
progressive labor folk and there are aspects of that idealism
that I truly believe in. But he became abundantly clear,

(01:22:47):
like everybody else, like you speak on quite a bit,
it became abundantly clear that he was ignoring certain things
in order to win, which I get that to a
certain extent, but then you're better than anybody else, And
if you're ignoring the blatant parts of America that shouldn't

(01:23:10):
be ignored, then are you really the candidate for America?
So yeah, that's my very abbreviated response and history of
my my history with Bernie. He's not He's like he's
being everybody else. And there was a point where I

(01:23:31):
started calling him Trump of the Left. So yeah, it's
hard to, you know, find hope when he has people
like this. But I do appreciate that AOC and Bernie
are at least getting out there. But I definitely don't

(01:23:52):
want Bernie to run for president. I don't think he
would win. To be honest, that he hasn't so it
would go to shay that perhaps he is not the
right one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Yeah, not being able to win the Democratic primary and
then saying it was rigg to me was just a
it's a very bad look because I think you for
a person like him, he needs to win the Democratic
primary to even convince me he can be president. Agreed,

(01:24:30):
so that you know, I don't know what he's doing
with this, but it's unfortunate. Like I said, I don't
take any fucking joy in it. If anything, at this
point is just making me mad and sad about it.
And I guess, you know, anger is sadness that has
no place to go. So I'm really more sad about
Bernie because I think he has such great potential.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
But at the end of the day, he.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Just willfully allows a certain amount of like racial animists
and animist towards people that aren't white men to exist
in his coalition. And he doesn't really shout it down.
He play case to it and says, you know, like
like we're sitting there with Andrew Schultz Man, it just

(01:25:12):
really crystallize the issues I do have with him. We're
all sitting there with him, and it's just sad. No
I want I would like a present, Like I get
there's certain things you can't say in America, Like it's
why they try to trip like how they try to
trip up presidential candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Where they be like, would you say America is a
racist country?

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Like a debate, and it's like, you know, Kamala Harris
and Barack Obama actually can't say America's a racist country.
You know, Joe Biden can't say that, whether it's true
or not. We don't. We're not electing people to tell
us that kind of truth. We know it would immediately
end their candidacy. So it's not like I'm asking Bernie
to do that. But I think it's different between that

(01:25:51):
and being like, well, you know, our society says or
if you're black, you're great, if you're gay, you're great,
and and I'm like, no, it doesn't the fuck are
you talking about? Why are you sitting there with some
fucking biggots acting like that premise is I'm sorry, next voice,
mail it to the next one.

Speaker 11 (01:26:09):
What's going on, y'all? It's great. So I'm listening to
the show, listen to the feedback show. On the way
to my daughter's high school graduation, shout out Breed Class
of twenty twenty five. Y'all are talking about the Shade Room,

(01:26:29):
and Rod, I'm telling you it's not it's no third
high to be open. That shit is clear as day.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
You are so right.

Speaker 11 (01:26:39):
I noticed the same shit.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
I'm watching these.

Speaker 11 (01:26:43):
These headlines in the Shade Room, and I'm like, these
are like Fox News talking points, these are not These
are not ideas that are from black people, Like it
is a message that is intended for black people, but
that shit doesn't come from us and caring. You were
so right about how it moves people just slowly to
the side. It seems unrelated. But so when I was

(01:27:07):
a teacher, I used to always say, I tell my
students the same thing all the time. I tell these
young kids the same thing every single day, and I
know that they're not gonna hear me, right, because no
kid hears an adult telling them directly this is how
to live your life. Right. But what I'm actually hoping
happens is later on down the line, someone else who
they trust says the same thing, because I know that

(01:27:30):
when they hear it in that second time, it's gonna
mean more. It's gonna be reinforced more and it's that
same shit those right when people are doing with the
Shade Room and them fucking black sites. They taking our
own media hoping that people who are not engaged politically
see a sniffet of that shit somewhere else, and then
they hear one of them say it later on and

(01:27:50):
they're like, oh, yeah, I did know that, because it
makes a dumb motherfucker feel smart to have some fucking
anchor into whatever people are talking about. This is crazy,
that's all. I don't even have a follow up or
a closure. You're just right, and I agree completely, love
you guys, and I always.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Love the show Man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Nah, that is so true.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
I didn't even That's part of the full minded because
you get that second confirmation to the already bad misinformation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
It's like, yeah, I did hear something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
About the measles vaccine gives people autism.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
I did hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And it's like you heard it from two fucked up places.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
You're from the Shade Room, which is not a news organization,
and then you heard it from RFK Junior, And now
you walk around saying that dumb shit on Facebook.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Yeah, and they do think that they're smart, because that's
the thing we live in a society now where smart,
where dumb people want to be smart, and they act
like the smart people are the dumb ones now, and
the smart people don't know what they're talking about. And
when they got their knowledge and their news and everything
is valid, and the people who actually have dedicated you

(01:29:00):
in school got all these degrees, I can easily dismiss
their shit because in my own world, in my own
in my own reality, not the reality that's actually real
reality to everybody in their own reality, they are they're
smart now. And it's dangerous when you live in the
in the society where in particularly it's social media online,

(01:29:22):
you can create your own reality. It doesn't have checks
and balances, it doesn't have anybody testing you. You can
feel good all the time, sad all the time, depressed,
whatever it, angry, whatever it is you want. Social media
says I got you. And whenever you step outside of that,
you stepped outside of that matrix and reality hits you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
You could be like, oh, let me go.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Ahead and take this red pill again. And I know
this steak is fake, but I want this fake steak.
Everybody that's trapped in the quote unquote social media matrix
and online matrix. No matter what platform you use, A
lot of people love being there because you know what,
you know what's outside of that reality. Fear, you know
what's outside of that reality. Shit you can't control. You
know what, it's outside of that reality. Anxiety, sadness, depression

(01:30:08):
is waiting on you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
But you have to face those things.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
And we live in the world that tells you you
ain't got to deal with it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:15):
You ain't got to face it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
You know what, when people tell you that your behavior
is wrong, you can tell them, no, it's not real,
and you will have people confirm what you're feeling. You
have people tell you it's okay. It's like a comfort blanket,
and you can wrap yourself up in your own personal
reality that's not real that it's actually driving you insane
and separating you from friends, families, and loved one and

(01:30:40):
the reality that's happening. And the thing is, it's just
like any other drug. It's a drug. You know you
can't If you don't admit that you have a problem
of not facing reality, no one can help you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
And that's the issue.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
Too many people are trapped in this world and they
will not admit that they have a problem, and when
people come and tell you anything opposite, you run back
to what makes you comfortable. And it's very, very dangerous
to live in a society that doesn't want to face
these things, because you know what, the second you have
to face these things, you will find out now that
it's not hard, not that it's not difficult.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
You will find out.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
That that you can cope through these things. You can
actually people actually care about you. They want to help
you get into the reality of what's happening.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
But as long as.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
You're in the now, nobody can help you. So, baby,
I'm one hundred percent behind you, and I believe that.
And it's dangerous when you don't have to face reality.
And this is why we have a society where everything
got to make me feel good. Don't hurt my feelings.
I don't want to feel bad, bitch. That's not reality.
That's not reality. In the real world. Shit hurts in
the real world. You will be disappointed. In the real world,

(01:31:47):
you will be let down. But we're in this illusion
of social media that tells you that everything has to
feel right all the time, and if it doesn't, you
have the right to reject it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Here, okay, I have to ask how did you get
there from the shape.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
Because he made a comment when he was talking about
the you know, the shade room and the reality of
people dealing with the shade room, and I think and
also when people talk when he was talking about like
the information, how you get your confirmation from the shade
room and then you get your confirmation from this other source.

(01:32:22):
So now you feel smart, you personally feel smart. Okay,
So you feeling smart makes you feel like, since I'm smart,
why do I have to believe the real smart people?
So I can create create my reality. But I'm always
the smartest person in the room, and I can reject
the real smart people and call them dumb because I

(01:32:42):
got confirmation bias that I am smart. And so that's
what led onto that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Okay, Yeah, I see how you got that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
This is very interesting because at the same time that
you were saying that, Bossy was texting me about there's
this woman that I think I may have even played
the video with you in the car went time, but
it was this woman who was clearly having a site.
Oh maybe I watched it by self, but she was

(01:33:09):
having a clear psychotic breakdown. She was not seeing her family,
and she was telling the people in the chat of
her tiktoks like, you know, I called the police. They
called the police and did it well fit wellness check
on me?

Speaker 7 (01:33:25):
Yes, I saw another one with you okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
It was like they did a wellness check on me,
and I told them that these people are not really
my family. They are trying to do this and da
da da and so BOSSI had just texted me literally
like right before the show whatever and was like, you know, update,
and the girl was doing a new TikTok and she

(01:33:47):
was like, I had a mental breakdown, you know whatever,
stopped taking I met whatever she did and was in
the middle of a psychosis, and the comments section was
on my side. She's like, I can't believe y'all. Let
me have experienced mental psychosists, and y'all were saying that,

(01:34:09):
and I thought that was very relevant to what you
were just saying, which is, like I said, I wasn't
really sure that. To me, it's more like the comment
section does the thing where you never feel bad and
everything feels good and they're not really connected to you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
So they tell you that your.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Psychosist is your superpower and your family really is abusing
you and all this shit, But they don't know you,
They don't know any of the information. Why the fuck
would people that raised you, live with you, fed you,
clothed you, helped you, cocked you all the time, them
putting a wellness check on you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
That's the real abuse me, person that just saw.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
You on my feed and when Yeah, Queen, I'm the
real family and supporter, right, that's what it felt like.
You were getting that that idea, and I was Liken,
how does this shaveroom lead to that? But yeah, the
shaveroom in a different ways, just an extension of that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
It's just the same shit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
It's the same Like I always feel good because the
biases that I have are always being like confirmed somewhere,
so and I can find that source somewhere online to
tell me that you know the vaccines are fake or
that you know Kamala Harris isn't a real black woman.

Speaker 7 (01:35:22):
I can reject everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
You know, the transphobia I have towards our wade is
the right way to feel. And I can just find
people that are just always make me feel like that's okay,
that never want me to be a higher or better self.
So I feel you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
He did call back with another.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Message it straight again.

Speaker 11 (01:35:39):
I'm gonna keep this quick because I'm feeding the baby
and I already.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Let the voice know speak.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
I'm listening to the Dermatology episode and bruh, the black
on black sun burned slander is so real.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
So we went to Jamaica.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
The lady who we booked a resort with is telling
us all all the things that we're gonna need.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
She's like, oh, yeah, you should get a tumbler, you
should need this, you should get that. And then she
looks at me, she says, and sunscreen issue went to
that kind of thing.

Speaker 11 (01:36:13):
Bruh.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
I'm like, so now I gotta get burnt up out
here just to prove I'm black.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
Yeah, it's real, you know what, It's real. When I
went to Jamaica, I had sunscreen and I used that
sunscreen and there it might sound wild, but the sun
because of the time of the year I went, it
wasn't like the hottest time of the year the sun hits,
but it don't. It didn't beat you up, but I

(01:36:40):
could do down here. But even with that, Yeah, sunscreen
matters because because you will bake you and you will
bake hard.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
We got two more voicemails from one person I think,
left two voicemails and got cut off at the three
minute mark, which is deliving apparently, and then called back.

Speaker 9 (01:36:57):
There Ride and Karen is Ley from Brooklyn. I hope
you guys are doing well. I finally had a chance
this week to listen to each show this week, so
this voicemail may be a little bit scattered, but I
want to try to stick to what I heard this week.
So first off, shout out to Karen for bringing up

(01:37:19):
the sanitary napkin tampon machine. You know, I'm of the
belief that those machines should not cost people money. Because
we are in a period poverty crisis, there are quite
a few people that aren't able to have those products right.

(01:37:47):
All of those products are supposed to be available in
free to students in New York City public schools, but
that doesn't always happen. But we need to extend it.
And you know, even if, like Karen mentioned it, people
being able to use credit cards or be able to
able to pay virtually, but the fact of the matter

(01:38:10):
is most of the people in the United States are
women and or people who menstraights, and people need free
access to those things. So thanks to Karen for bringing
that out. And then one more thing. I'm forgetting a
whole bunch of stuff, but I wanted to talk about

(01:38:33):
the up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Road is involved.

Speaker 9 (01:38:36):
Can you make the guess the race harder? And I
want you to consider this, just consider it. I don't
think that the clues. I think the clues are good.
What I would suggest is that maybe for the Bonus round,
you don't tell people the name, because I think that's

(01:38:57):
how a lot of people are able to guess the
race is based off of the name. Not always, but
a lot of times. So I know, Rod, You're gonna
probably be like, no, I'm not changing it, but I'm
gonna ask you to consider maybe, at least for the
Bonus round, you just tell the story, you don't say

(01:39:18):
the name, and Karen and everybody else is just gonna
have to get based off of the actions. Okay, So
that's my feel. I may call back, but I really
enjoyed being able to listen to you guys fully this week,
and hopefully we'll be able to do it moving on.

(01:39:39):
I don't know, I always have to take like breaks
from media to keep my sanity, but just wanted to
shout you too out for those things. So okay, Happy Friday.
Can't wait to hear you guys start talking about the
real ca.

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
Hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:40:02):
First of all, if you don't mind me gonna first,
First of all, I do agree with you about the expenses.
A lot of people who don't buy sanitary ship don't
realize that depends on what kind you use, what stalues.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
And all that shit.

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
You could spend hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars a year
just in sanitation shit from drawls to cups, to tampas
and tampons. But they shit, they fly, they got wings,
they got all types of shit on that shit becomes
very very expensive, and most men do not have that expense,
so they don't give a fuck about this added on

(01:40:39):
unnecessary expense quote unquote that you have to deal with
every month. Bitch, it don't stop. It's like clockwork. It's
gonna show up. It's like something you just can't get
rid of it, you know, and not to get off top.

Speaker 7 (01:40:53):
But some dudes. But ain't you used to it?

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
Bitch? Let me punch you into balls every day for
seven days, three to five, seven day straight every month,
and let me see if you be like, get used
to it. No, bitch, you know, and so for me,
it's one of those things. But it gets expensive, so
I think it should be free. And also it's hilarious
that you wrote that article. I mean not you wrote
that article, but you wrote in about the guess the race.

(01:41:16):
The thing is about guess race. Roger is just literally
reading the articles that are given to him and that's it.
Like it's that simple, y'all. It's nothing more complex than that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
They just don't understand my art and what I'm doing here.
It's like if they said, how come will the fortune
can't have some of the letters actually be the wrong letters?
You know what I'm saying. Where like it's say you say,
can I have an ess? And then they give you
a K Like it's like, no, the game, the accessibility

(01:41:49):
of the game is the point everyone can play, right,
and you're just having fun and I'm not. There's no
trick because the trick once you add the tricks, once
you add the like I'm gonna make this a little
harder on this one than the last one. You starting
to hedge, like now it's about reading me. It's no

(01:42:10):
longer about the article or the game. Now that could
be fun, I guess but I just prefer it to
be like everyone's got the same equal playing field and
caring and everyone is just trying to guess and honestly
because race, goddamn it, I have to fucking I cannot believe. Okay, guys,

(01:42:32):
So race is made up. Okay, race is just a concept.
It's not real. Right now, we have to live with
the ideas and the impulses and the consequences that come
with the prejudicial way we view race. Okay, I can't

(01:42:52):
believe I have to say this about this goddamn game.
It's supposed to be fun. I don't wanna give a
fucking I want to give like a goddamn college lecture
on the shit. But race is all made up, and
everything that extends from it as well, meaning whatever stereotypical
actions we would derive, the idea of attaching race too,

(01:43:16):
is also completely prejudicial and made up, as well as
even names, meaning there are going to be times when
y'all hear a name and it has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
We've done three thousand episodes. We've had times when.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Y'all heard the name and you went, I don't know
no white laverniuses, and then you guess and everybody's fucking
wrong because.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Race is crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
You find that one white Lavernians out there in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
The point of the game is to really deconstruct racism
and be like, this shit is nonsensical and yet it
drives us apart. Yes, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
It actually has nothing to do. We honestly could play
Guess the race.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
It don't even gotta be crimes.

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
I ain't got it, ain't gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
There's an episode where I use a Guess the race
and it's just fucking like, uh, so and so bought
a house, and it's like, well, no one ever writes
glowing things about black people buying houses. It must be
white people, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
Sometimes it's a bear, Yes, we guess the race of
the bear.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
And I don't always have the name. Some articles you
just don't have the names. But even not having the
names is a clue. If I find an article that
don't have the name, that that leads you down different
roads of like when do they not name people that
do crimes? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:44:37):
Sometimes you can still be wrong, yeah, but but the
point is it's all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
So no, the game will remain. The game remains unchanged, and.

Speaker 6 (01:44:48):
As me as a guesser and as the audience is
like a guesser. That's part of the fun because it
basically plays on like, right, I say, your own biases,
your own personal experiences, because.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
The layup set you up. That's what they don't see.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
They don't get that the layups are the ones that
set you up to be wrong. Oh, these people with
meth were wearing Trump flags and doing It's like, well,
we know that's white, right, but that's also funny that
we all know that's white.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
But it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Ones where, like, you know, you think you got a
lay up and then it's like, actually, racist fucked up
in America. That was a black man with that Trump jar. Y'all. Y'all,
you got caught up. You know, you didn't ask how
the spelling of the name.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
Was right, And sometimes that be the clue to me.
I don't mean, I'm not that funny, y'all. That's what
makes it fun. Like for me personally, that what makes
it fun. Going off of my own bike, this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Is how y'all fucked up Monopoly and why everybody hate
playing Monopoly because y'all start wanting to play by just
oh what if we made it so you could take
the money out the bank and then no, the rules
already there. Stop fucking with it two weeks now. Then
we're gonna get a bunch of emails later like I
don't like how Rod gets to the bonus rounds and
d he won't say the name, like get out here anyway.

(01:46:05):
Sorry sorry, Yeah, left another voicemail.

Speaker 9 (01:46:10):
Okay, it's Leary again. I got cut off. So yeah,
I was just saying, I can't wait for next week
to hear you guys talk about you know, the real
Wise Housewives ish if that was going on between those
two idiots yesterday, so I mean it was, it's not
anything amusing for about five minutes, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Real quick though, I did want to talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:46:36):
The NPR MPBS, you know, losing their funding, so I
would say ten toes down, PBS for sure, fight back
all that stuff. Definitely on PBS's side. MPR, I have
to say, especially when you listen to their national news

(01:46:59):
shows like the morning show they had and the evening
show they had. What I noticed about them is whenever,
like at least nationally, whenever there are Republicans in charge,
they really treat them with kid gloves, you know, and
they really give a lot of like benefited the doubt
and you know, ol way they said that, oh they

(01:47:21):
claim and but like a lot of cover room, right.
And then I find that when it's Democrats in power,
they are very aggressive. They're just like, you know, acting
the questions that you wish that they would ask Republicans.
So for example, just the other day on the morning show,
there was some Democratic representatives on n He was talking

(01:47:44):
about this big beautiful bill or whatever, and you know,
talking about raising the debt ceiling, and then the moderator
was like, yeah, but Democrats have had run up the
debt ceiling too. They've done that, and it's like, bro,
we are talking about what's going on now. So they
do a lot of I can't think of the words, sorry,

(01:48:08):
they do a lot of what about ism. I find
that they do that a lot, and they're just more
They press Democrats way more than they pressed Republicans. So
you know, they've been to the knee or they've been
to the knee a little bit, you know, not as
big as some of the other mainstream and legacy medias,

(01:48:31):
but they do do it a little bit. And for
all of their posturing and you know, trying not to
poke the bear. The bear still did bear stuff. So
you know, all right, thanks again for all you guys.
Do love listening to your show and peace out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Well, thank you for writing Colin and Leelee and the
thing I'll say about them that I think I find
a little bit different than say so, I have a
phrase performative objectivity. That's what I call that. When you
do the well, we have to be tough on Democrats
and Republicans. And so if I'm going to question will

(01:49:12):
this big bill really worked the way that Trump says
or will his terrorists work to set that way, I'm
being tough on Trump. And when I ask is Biden
really suited to fit sit in the office, I'm being
tough on Democrats. I'm being fair.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
That's my job as a journalist. That's what they believe.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Fine, whatever the reason, I would say, it's different for
NPR than say even John Oliver or John Stewart or
even like a CNN at MSNBC. Their money literally comes
from the government, a lot of it. It's donors and
stuff too, But without the government money they wouldn't be

(01:49:48):
able to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
We only have a democracy when we elect democrats. That's America.
Unfortunately we elect Republicans, we no longer have a democracy.
They do not believe in democracy. They do everything they
can to stayful democracy. They don't want people to vote,
they don't want people to have, you know, be able
to voice their rights. They don't want a representative democracy.
They don't want to even they don't even want to

(01:50:12):
govern for the people who lose the So if they
win with a minority of the voting in the country,
they still rule as if they got a majority of
the vote, as if ninety nine percent of the country
agrees with whatever. Shit they don't go, well, yeah, we won,
but that doesn't mean that women shouldn't have the right
to like health care if they decide to get an abortion. No,

(01:50:36):
they go, we won. That means women don't have rights.
Fuck them, we want. So I say all that to say,
of course, an NPR in the Republican administration, it's gonna
be tiptoeing because of what's happening right now, of what's happening,
and it's not something that always happens under Republicans. These
Republicans have gotten worse, Like this is this massive defunding

(01:51:01):
is something they've been flirting with and wanting to do
but this these Republicans seem like they're going to do it,
or at least attempt to do it until a court
makes them not do it. Right, So I think that's
what you're hearing is fear. And when we don't have
a free media, which is one of the tempoles of democracies,

(01:51:23):
democracies dies. And this is what it looks like if
you let Republicans not you, but we let Republicans be
in charge, and then we're like, oh shit, the media
is afraid. Yeah, yeah, And you know what you're hearing
When it's Biden or Obama, they're just not afraid, right,

(01:51:44):
So it doesn't necessarily make them good people or virtuous.
It just means that they should be able to ask
those same questions of Republicans. They just know that a
Democrat won't retaliate. They know that Obama won't go back
to his office and go, I didn't like that they
questioned me on this thing, and therefore I will no
longer let NPR get government funding.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
But Donald Trump absolutely will do that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:10):
Agree.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
And they're not attack dogs, meaning they don't have they're
not supposed to go into this thing with an agenda.
Of like let's take down Trump. They sopposed to go
into it with an agenda. Let's get to the truth.
And the last thing I'll say is this, most people
who consume media don't always understand the goals of the media,
Meaning there are people who get offended by questions that

(01:52:33):
journalists are asking that are actually trying to put the
subject in a better light. So like, sometimes you ask
a question that people go that was tough question.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
They shouldn't have asked that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
But if the answer allows Kamala Harris to just dunk
on that question, then I'm glad the question got asked,
and we need to know if that person can do it.
So sometimes people think things are attacks that aren't. I'm
not saying that everything that happens at NPR. That's the
landscape we're in. So I can see them being like, yeah,
I questioned Barack Obama for this thing, but then he

(01:53:06):
gave a stupendous answer that we all shared on social
media and told everybody every day. So like, was he
really harmed or was I just doing a good job?

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
I agreed, and so for me, and that's and I agree,
That's why I said NPR is a little different than
the other ones. And also when it comes to it
with the other ones, when the Democrats were in office,
that was the time to be on everybody's ass because
you're in a place where you, quote unquote don't have

(01:53:37):
no fear. This is why I hold a lot of
media to a different standard. Underneath Biden, I was like, Oh,
if y'all gonna be on Biden's ass, be fair, be
on Trump's ass too.

Speaker 7 (01:53:45):
Just just don't be on one.

Speaker 6 (01:53:46):
Side ass consistently. And I got to hear months and
months and months and months and months of fucking articles
about the same goddamn thing, and Trump is out here
doing ten times it's worse, and it's motherfucking crickets, you know,
for me type of thing. And so you know, I
understand now they're in fear, But bitch, when you were free,
you should have stood up.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Yeah, I like I said, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Is my point. When you're free, you question who's in
power because you're free. But when the other people in power,
you actually aren't free anymore. And you know it because
you start being a little less assertive, a little less accusatory.
And of course they exist in America and a lot
of their listener base, or a lot of Americans. Let's

(01:54:30):
not say listener base, but a lot of Americans are
accepting of those propaganda lies I told y'all earlier. So
they make it so that things that are not supposed
to be a third rail become a third rail under
Republican administration, because Republicans will play victim to that shit
and be like, oh, you did, how can.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
You accuse Donald Trump of racism?

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
It's like, well, I was just naming racist shit he did, right,
I'm stating facts, But his feelings and the feelings of
his the supporters are more important than your facts.

Speaker 7 (01:54:58):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
So I don't have to make a living in that
landscape off of listeners supported this and then government funded that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
They do have to do that math.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
So all I'm saying is, if you want to know
why they like, I know you're going PBS is fine,
They're not. I'm just saying to me there, it's more
about the circumstances than the actual like integrity of the organization.
What it looks like under Democrats is actually what it
should look like all the time. It just never will,

(01:55:30):
I agree, as long as we let Republicans be these
kind of people, they will always be afraid of them.

Speaker 6 (01:55:37):
And also, over the years, Republicans weren't always like this.
When you tell people that that, like you're fucking lying. No,
there was a time where they were quote unquote reasonable Republicans. Yes,
they would put Republicans and no I never agreed with them,
But there was a time where Republicans actually want to
fucking government.

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
Now they don't want to govern.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
They won't to talk about bullshit that has nothing to
do with serving the constituentus is that put them in office.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Or serving the ones that they govern over, because not
even the ones that put them in office, right, because
a lot of us don't vote for them, but they
rule as if we don't exist. They're just like, fuck
them people, let's make their life harder.

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
You know a lot of times the people that put
them in office, now they do ship to do people
mad about so now everybody mad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
You know what, Yeah, you're right. Yeah, they wrote they
ruled as if neither part of that matters, right.

Speaker 6 (01:56:27):
So that's why I say, the constituents, these people put
you in office, and now they can't go to their
small townhouw on meeting it say, bit you lied, you
want to cancel everything. So these are the people no,
not mean, these are the people that put you in office,
and you go, well, fuck them niggas and fuck you too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Maybe Rod needs some ride change his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Music like changes changes, brid changes changes mind might every
single time that my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Is changed, Rid changes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
My dad might change.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
We might changes, we might change, we might change. All right,
I did change my mind. Let's go to the emails
and then we'll wrap this thing up. Uh Our girls
seeing right sing Episode three, one oh six, The motherfucker
South got something to say?

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Say that ship again, Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
When it all falls and we rebuild again? And pray
this part. I pray this podcast is dusted off. Embedded
in the history of black theory, the concept of personalizing
survival modality is a huge misstep that I've made personally,
and I see a lot of my peers making it.
Sometimes feels like we got super saturated with knowledge of
what black people have endured but didn't connect with the
humanness of it all right, prime example never seeing our

(01:57:56):
ancestors portrayed as fully realized humans like we see now
on shows like love Craft, Country atl And Centers or
books like Anything Torny Morris Center sky Full of Elephants.
I had a conversation with a first gen immigrant from
Haiti who compare her parents disdain for Black Americans to
my very Northeastern parents interpretation of black people in the South,

(01:58:17):
a wildly accurate comparison. I'm going to have to send
them this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
I think that's one of the things that's so important
about black art. As we get more and more freedom
and get more inclusion and diversity and stuff, it does
matter because there's a lot of stuff black people think
they don't like that they just don't like because black people.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Weren't doing it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
So you don't think you like depictions of slavery on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
No, you just haven't really had, Like you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
See me Shagreen do it? Need you see me Shagreen
doing And you're like, no, this is fucking awesome. And
I think that's the things that are lacking. And yeah,
it doesn't help that we still live in a racist
society that's convinced itself it's not racist.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
And then they're teaching us this old shit to be.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
Like this back when people was racist, but not like
us now, we're not like that at all. And it
makes you feel like, man, these black people back then,
they were getting it tough and they were marching, But
we don't need the march anymore. They got to the
finish line. They got to that promised land that MLK
never made it to with them. So we're the fruit

(01:59:26):
of that promised land. We are the We're on the
other side of the fight. There's no fight, there's no
race there. We're all done. And it's all to convince
us that like it separates us from them, those people's
humanity because we don't see the connection to our own
and how our struggle is related, because they're not teaching
it as a continued struggle. That teaching its like mission

(01:59:48):
accomplished civil rights movement anyway, no racism to be talking
about here today in class and anything that's happening in
the normal current politics. There's no echoes for you to
be noticing in any of that shit. So I think
a lot of that is very related. I like how
you put that together, Karen. We gotta take more time

(02:00:08):
to talk about how brilliant you are and how important
your analysis of how the Southern black experience through time
plays into politics and culture. I work for a literary
magazine that centers the South as a place for black
women's healing and restoration through a restoration through storytelling.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
It's called Histories.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Oh that's dope, name histories Like histories. I got to
design a workshop or interview or something around your commentary
on the South. You are so dynamic. I know we
give you flowers, but you deserve so many more accolades
aside you the Beyonce at this Black podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
Ish, I said what I said.

Speaker 7 (02:00:46):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
Ps Rod, very glad you found grits and eggs even
though Karen found them first. She mentioned them an episode
while back. Oh hold on, now, did Karen find them first?
Or did Karen mention them on the show first? That's
the real question, because I'm not saying she didn't find
them first. I just want to know because I'll be
on the internets, Karen, don't be on there. She'd be

(02:01:08):
on there scrolling looking at stuff, y'all. Don't be looking
like she'd be looking at fun stuff. I'll be out
there beyond. Dude, is this nigga gonna keep talking about
these people like, oh.

Speaker 7 (02:01:19):
Look at this kiddy?

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
So I don't. I mean, maybe she did find him first.
I know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
It's fine. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Because the other reason I bring that up is I
could I think I've been seeing that Gris and Eggs dude,
because he is great at marketing. Deontay Cayle, he is.
He really hit the ground. So the cynical side of me,
the person that makes content, that that part not cynical,
Like I don't believe Deontay Kyle, but I'm saying like

(02:01:46):
people like people that don't really live in this space
and make a living in this space. I don't even
know if they recognize how good he is at this
media shit. I know he was a TikToker first, and
you can feel it. He is polished, he is good,
he is clean. But the presentation is also amazing. Two

(02:02:07):
camera shoot, he has a producer. They switch back zoom
in and out as he's talking. It's a little like
Keith Lee and that zooming thing and how it makes
it better presentation. So it's very engrossing and brings you in, picks,
great topics and all that stuff. So when I saw
the first few videos of him last year, I was

(02:02:29):
just that the ones that I saw, I was like,
oh man, this dude's real like he's gonna hit the
ground running like he's real slick. But also as a
sis had black man myself is a little bit of
a like. I hope that brother is on the up
and up and sticks to the things that I'm like.
The stuff I'm seeing always feel like he making sense.

(02:02:50):
But my bar of like, you're gonna have to keep
at this for a while. You're gonna have to get
pushed back. You're gonna have to react to the pushback
before I can start being like, yo, did you see
what he was saying? He was spending? Because I think
the bar is so low that we'll often like hop
on to somebody and then like milkshaked up two weeks

(02:03:11):
later they saying like, and you know, the other problem
is these females.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
You'm like, god, damn it, son of a bitch. You
seem to have a good point, and now look at us.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Now look like a fucking fool. But now he's been
at it for months now, and I don't think that's
gonna happen hopefully, and he's really handled the pushback on his.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
I was about to say black black men are the
white people, but I didn't even I was like, that's
not what he said. But he's handled the pushback on
that concept of black male responsibility to the intra community,
uh like intercommunity responsibility. He's really handled it well without
like completely crashing out funny jokes. It doesn't. I mean,

(02:03:57):
we'll see if it becomes like a lot of his content,
cause it can really you can get stuck there because
then people, these motherfuckers are relentless and they never shut.

Speaker 6 (02:04:05):
The fuck up, and they won't let you move on
even when you want, right. Yeah, so it has to
be the thing. I'll side. We've learned that doing this
show longer. Though, sometimes you got to be like, we're
not even gonna talk about that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
I said what I said.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Y'all don't misunderstand me, and I know some of y'all
are assholes and some of y'all get it, but whatever, right,
So anyway, my point is, I would I could be.
I'm into people and stuff all the time. I just
don't always mentioned on the show cause like it's been
so many times, I'm like, damn, glad, I ain't bring
that motherfucker up. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:04:38):
So I all upside before a lot of times before
I make suggestions, you know, depend on what the show
is a lot of times I will have listened for
a good while to be like, Okay, y'all can go
back and listen to old episodes, like I kind of
want to do my research a lot of the times
because it's been people that we talked about and and
like later on, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
I'm glad. And we've had situations where we've had guests
on the show, people we've invited, especially back in the day,
and then you just like they.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Be crashing out online a few months.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
Later, and I'll be regretting that I thought saw so
much good in this person, you know, or they just
or like things you thought were like maybe just a
hang up or a joke or something like, oh, they
just be messing with us, and then you realize like, no,
they very much mean that. So anyway, point being, I
be vetting people on the low. So I even if

(02:05:30):
I like would have heard of Grits and Eggs at
which I did last year, I'm not bringing that ship
up on the show because if December he's crashing out
and being like and that's why we do need to
be with white women, I'll be like, I'm glad I
wasn't saying this, singing this niggas praises, but uh not deontay.
Kyle seemed like a real one. And it's been long

(02:05:52):
enough and I feel like, you know, he'd be spending
that that real shit. I was introduced by several of
my sorrows who are officially doctors women's studies as of dismay.
I'll shout out to them.

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
He be scaring me mentioning Umar.

Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
But uh.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
We coalition building right now. See see what you just
did that last sentence. And that's why Karen brought them
up before me, because I don't be known. I'll be
afraid of that shit. Okay, I don't put my building
lamar right like y'all love Karen. So Karen could be
like I love this dude in the six months later
be like yeah, so he said doctor Umar is right

(02:06:29):
about everything. Y'all just gonna love her like, oh Karen,
But me, y'all gonna be like, cis heap black men?
Did they go again sticking together birds?

Speaker 7 (02:06:39):
Nope, because nobody knows I Claire.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Yeah, I'll be scared the internet niggas, especially when they
real good at Internet. I'll be like a please be
a good person because people get this internet power, figure
out these algorithms and use it for bad all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
Please stick to the good side.

Speaker 6 (02:06:56):
Yes, they do, as long as he ain't talking about donations. Donations,
don't nations. I think it would be I I think
it would be all right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
But everything I like that I've seen, from everything I've
seen from that Gris and Eggs podcast, I've liked me
the same. And I really love the way he's pushed
back against these people that are trying to you're pandering
and all that shit. He's just kind of really seen
through that and been like, uh, then call me a
panderer or whatever.

Speaker 6 (02:07:22):
Suck out, Yeah, because that's one thing. When something is
the truth, he can stand on his own and it
really doesn't care what you think about it, and you
can say, well, you're this, you that if you're coasting
enough to say, Okay, that's what I am. You taking
the power away from that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
Y'all need that more than me, right, y'all need me
to be a pandora more than you need me to be.

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
Real that's what it is, and to tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Yeah, like I said when I said that thing, straight
black man or the white people.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
D there were so many people accusing me of shit.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
So I'm like, I love being black, and I love
black people and I love black men too. Like, don't
everything y'all saying about me is just untrue in a
way that can't hurt me, Like it can't hurt me
because I'm not who you think I am. I'm not.
I don't do a show where I need to pander
to anybody like I'm just being myself.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
Now, you might not like me, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
There's plenty of people that had conversations with that don't
arrive to the same conclusion as me. But you never
have to protict you. You can convince yourself I'm fake. Fine,
you might as well just say I'm stupid. I'd rather
you just think I'm fucking stupid, because honestly, I'm not fake,
I really do. I'm just you Just then you just
disagree and we just gonna have to leave it at

(02:08:37):
that because you still can't whoop my ass, Crystal says,
typing from the phone. Sorry for any grammar spelling mistakes.
Thank you for having the dermatologists on your show. It
was so informed by eleven year old wants to be
a dermatallagist.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
She has stated that since she was not that this
is her career path.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
She goes so far to watch medical youtubes and loves
to buy skincats from Amazon.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
That you can pretend to biopsy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
So it was so exciting wow to hear from an
expert in the field. Her discussion about the difference in
African American skin really hit home. As someone who has
several dermat dermatological conditions and biopsies that left scars. I
wish more care went into this more. When my daughter
tells other adults her aspirations, either I am told, oh,
she'll probably change her mind, or I wanted to be

(02:09:26):
an astronaut, like it's some unobtainable goal, which really makes
me mad because I don't know if they are saying
this because she's black, we live in a majority Caucasian area,
or what, but it does anger me or I hear
how difficult and competitive the field is. I tell people
from my career also in healthcare, I knew what I
wanted to do at the exact same age and made
it happen, so I would never discount of child's goals.

(02:09:48):
Others are sending their kids to aeronautics camps and NASA
Space camp every year because they want to be an engineer.
But a child who says they want to be a
doctor needs to be practical. Sorry for my rant, but
it's very frustrating, especially when you have questions is it
because we are black or do you genuinely believe kids
say the darnest things. I had absolutely no idea. It

(02:10:08):
was one of the more difficult specialties to get into
until other stated there's similar to doctment stuffians, which has
helped to shape and inspired whole generation. It's great to
see representation to not only speak the unspoken things.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Our skin is different and will look different.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
It's various conditions than the textbooks taught them, but help
to help to implement change. It's sad that some of
this isn't just playing common sense. Thank you Ryan and
Karen again as always.

Speaker 6 (02:10:33):
Yeah, and as a parent, I know that has got
to be very, very difficult, you know, because like you say,
for people who have these other dreams, like you said,
they could send their children, Like if your child says
and what it's like, is there something that children is
there like a medical camp? You know what I'm saying,
Like a lot of this shit. You almost have to
wait until you get into the field. Like I don't
know why when it comes to like the medical thing

(02:10:55):
that there isn't that you almost got to be like
a middle schooler or a high schooler, you know what
I mean, to even be kind of introduced to things
similar to that where I sometimes I think they need
to have it a little younger where you can send
them to it. It ain't got to be nothing deep, but
you know, just have various different doctors to be like,
this is what I do for a living, this is
what to break it down to whatever level, just so

(02:11:15):
your child can have a better understanding of these things.
And this is also what people dismiss the thoughts of
children because you know what those other fields people are
not try to find out. They assume that they're money makers.
So I don't mind investing in my child now because
I know eventually my child would make money later on
versus a competitive feel why would you, you know, invest
into doing that.

Speaker 7 (02:11:35):
You know there's no quote unquote money in that.

Speaker 6 (02:11:37):
And like you say, because we live in this country,
you go, well, are you also saying this because my
child is black? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
I think that's definitely true, especially that part about are
they just saying it because your child is black and
they should and like this goal is too lofty. But honestly,
when people say stuff like that, a lot of times
what they're letting you know is the limits of their
own imagination and the fears.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
That they have for themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
Because at the end of the day, even if your
daughter attempts this thing that she wants to do and
gets down that road to some point, because you are requiring.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Twelve years of school and she's nine, so.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
It's twelve years plus how long to get out of
high school? I can definitely see what people are trying
to say with this idea of like, it's a child,
and a child may change their mind, and because you
were a mother who didn't change her mind and you're
doing what you wanted to do, maybe they feel like, oh,
I hope you're not gonna be disappointed in your daughter
or hurt if your daughter doesn't make it. So it

(02:12:40):
could be coming from a good place of like, hey,
even if your daughter does change your mind, you know,
kids change their minds and we still love them anyway.
My thing is I would assume that's the default that
even if you're like, like, I don't know. Maybe that's
because you're a black mama. They assuming different. I don't know,
but I or maybe just parents get so caught up
in the hopes for that your children. Uh and it

(02:13:01):
seems to partially reflect the job that you're the field
you're in. So maybe they're like, well, if your.

Speaker 2 (02:13:08):
Daughter don't do it, it's still okay.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
But I would just assume that, you know that, like,
if your daughter doesn't do it, it'll be okay. Like
why would you, Well, you're gonna be like I disown you.
Get the fuck out, eleven year old? You fuck you
mean you want to be an astronaut? Now you know
what I mean? Like, so I'm assuming you'll be fine,
but uh yeah, good good luck to her. And you know,
that is a hell of a journey. And oh and

(02:13:32):
the last thing also many of us experienced it. That's
why because I definitely went to school to be a
computer programmer and that is not what I do.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
Karen went to school and be a teacher. That is
not what she does.

Speaker 1 (02:13:43):
But my thing is like we'll get that when we
get there, right, Like, why would I be telling you
at nine, like, you know, when you get to school,
you might change the like, hey, let the only thing
I would do as a parent in that situation is
let you know that you can do and be whatever
you want to be as long as you put into
work and I support I'm gonna support you and whenever

(02:14:04):
if when you if you ever feel like changing your
mind or something is disappointing or letting me down, you
can't let me down.

Speaker 6 (02:14:14):
Right, do it because it's what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (02:14:17):
Yeah, Like, as long as you are out here being
a responsible person doing the right things, just understand, there's
nothing you can do that will let me down.

Speaker 2 (02:14:26):
Because I do think kids worry about that, and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
It's not always something parents put on them, but it's
something that's good to have a parent that lets you
know that it's that that burden isn't on you.

Speaker 6 (02:14:38):
Sometimes need to be expressed because children kind of internalize
things like that, and sometimes parents don't.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
Realize, right, and they may feel like a pressure to
not tell you.

Speaker 7 (02:14:47):
Like because they don't want to let you do.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
My mom was one of these people that knew what
she wanted to do at a young age. And now
I'm six years into this shit and I'm like, I
actually don't want to do this right? And can I
tell my mom that or she gonna be horribly disappointed
that I did not live up to the same idea
she set for herself. So maybe I'm trying to be
as nice and kind to these people as I because

(02:15:11):
it seemed like you were thinking of possibilities, and I'm saying,
maybe there's some good intentions that aren't just like black dermatologist,
Are you insane? Is that a nigga on a horse?
You know?

Speaker 7 (02:15:23):
What are you doing on the horse?

Speaker 2 (02:15:24):
So maybe it's like that, but I hope it's not
all right.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
Same.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
That's it for today's show.

Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
We have a guest for tomorrow's episode as well, is
an author, Rachel Loria. I hope I'm saying that correctly.
We'll find out tomorrow for sure at two pm. She
wrote a book about black capitalism, and y'all know we
talk about that and we have a section segment on
the show about.

Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
It, so be looking forward to talk to her.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
And then later on this week on Tuesday, we have
Brandon Collins on the show from Drug Black History, So we'll.

Speaker 2 (02:15:58):
Be talking to you guys soon. Until next time, I
love

Speaker 7 (02:16:00):
I love you, Ah

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