3111: America Needs An Ethan Hunt

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
And speaking of guests, we have one today.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Today's guest is the host of Drunk Black History and
medium popcorn writer actor comedian friend bring In Collins.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What's up man?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Here you go? Hey? I mean, after is a stretch,
but I appreciate the intro we did. I'm just behind
in the background of law and Order as the episode.
You know what I mean, But I'm still out here
making some money.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
You're still acting in me.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Listen, we did a table read of one of your
high school uh moves.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
College Yeah, oh oh wow, that was college.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh wow, I was old enough to know better.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh damn, I was giving you extra credit in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
High school was the movie. Remember. I don't know if
you were part of that live stream, but like I
should have movie that I made a high school that
was like a forty five minute insane tribute to boondogs.
And the script you read is a script I wrote
the screenwriting class in college.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh oh okay, Well, you know I was trying to
give you a little extra credit on that.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
But you know, it's all good. It's all good. You know,
we stay in the integrity king, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
We love transparency and honesty, and you are nothing if
not that.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Man. What's been going on with you?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Bro on that? I just you know, prepare for these
drump By history shows coming up. I've been writing a lot.
I made an ambitious goal to write a feature script
every month. Low key, I'm losing my mind and I
actually have to change it now because everyone voted. I've
been doing like some polls for people to vote in
my next script, and everyone voted for the nineteen thirty
sports dramedy I've had in my head for a while.

(02:20):
But because it's about the Negro leagues and a very
specific time period, I have to do like a lot
more research and so I'm not gonna be able to
write this in a month. It's just no way. But
I'm incredibly excited about it. Yeah, and I've been covering
Tribeca Film Festival this week, so I'm doing a lot
man well.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
And then if you do write that script, it'll probably
be a race from the annals of history because our
current administration is not allowing us to talk about it
was flagged before times. Okay, America was great, it is
always great. It's gonna be great again. It's never not
been great, but just to let people know it's gonna
be great when we don't talk about things like nineteen

(02:57):
thirties sports drama tis well.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's also like you know, black centric stories, you know.
And I'm not trying to be pessimistic because it was
just one meeting. I've several I've had that were very
like positive and stuff. I did have one meeting a
general with a production company where they said they weren't
looking for black centric stories. They were looking for like
universal kind of like especially in the action genre, universal

(03:21):
fast and furious type stories where it's like it's organic,
you know, it's not in your face that these are
people of color. And it was like, but like people
of color address that stuff usually, especially if they're like
an hiden action situation, like there's not gonna be a
black person say yeah, we're going to space in this,
in this little rocket, you know, or in a car
like they got a they got comment on it. It's
gonna be insane. Well I like them.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I like that they gave you those notes because I
would just write the most sellout script and just return
back and with with no just someting pelet the taste,
nothing but kumbaya messaging and all that bullshit, just to
see what happens, you know, like if they go you
know what this, you know what like this. I like
how the main character says, we if we drive fast enough,

(04:04):
we can outrun the racism. And I think that's a
good message to give to all the kids because everyone's
car it finished this finish line at the same time,
because everyone is equal and it didn't matter what.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Color the cars were. They were all the same speeding.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, colors have been on the fucking car line and stuff.
You know if it's just like now I think about it,
that's such a crazy thing to say to me, because
especially crazy comp because fast and furious. These motherfuckers started
off like boosting cars and DVD players. Yeah, and they
weren't even like ethnic, you know what I mean the
worst movie, they're all like supposed to be white, I think, yeah,
And so for them to never become like Brazilian and

(04:42):
ship or like whatever that's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Vin Diesel got the same note that first script. It
was They were like, can you not be so black
and the black? And he was like, yeah, no problem.
I can play Italian, I can play Puerto Rican. WHI
y'all need, bro, I can do anything. I'm I'm Vin Diesel.
Nobody really knows what I except for Paris, they do not.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah. It was a dark Yeah. I remember like in
the late nineties when he was blowing up and I
remember he was like in Saving Private Ryan boiler room.
We were all like what is he? Yes?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Who is this guy? I know?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I listened shake that tree. Okay, somebody gonna follow out
that family tree.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Brother, Have I ever shared the Vin Diesel story about Universal?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Share it? Brother? You a monk family?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I was. I was. I was leaving an exec meeting
at like the big building in the Universal Lot, and
me and another writer from the Universal program we were
walking towards the gate and I see this big suv
and like some you know, bodyguard looking dudes and this
little white woman talking to a dude who's ball from
the back and wearing a Fast nine jacket. Mind you,

(05:43):
this is the Universal Lot. I'm like, there's no way
that this has been Diesel wearing a jacket. First key
franchise at the like they know who you are. And
then of course we're walking closer and closer into me here. Yeah,
you know, I was talking to uh Georida Brewster and
I was like, why has been Diesel wearing period? That's
like insane. It's like when Neil was standing around a

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country store.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
And Fast nine like like that's not even like new money.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's he's he's been around the block and he's still
rocking the fact his.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Own merch That's wow, it's crazy. Yeah, that's yourself.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's like the time I went to South Park mall
and I saw a young wide receiver with his own
jersey walking around the mall with two women.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Uh, and it was Ray Caruth.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And I remember thinking to myself that man is gonna
kill somebody one day, and I was right, okay, because
only a serial killer would where their own fucking jersey
in the around the mall, like you want to be
seeing brother was of course you got found in the
back of that trunk, like you're not a smart man.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then recently you did some.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Drunk black history like live shows and uh.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Shout out to the black fan man. They came out
in Boston. We took a few pictures. Yeah, it was.
It was great, like, you know, seeing a lot of
people that have been like, you know, dance my appearances
on this podcast and yeah, man, that Boston shit was incredible.
I'm so excited for the upcoming shows. Like, but that
was a real nice price because that was also one
of the first shows I hosted by myself, and like,

(07:12):
it's just a lot of audience and engagement and interaction
and the guests had books were fantastic. Yeah, that was
so much fun. So I can't wait for next week's No.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I love to hear that because to you know, obviously,
I love to hear any time my fans show up
for people, because you know, I love when people support
good people.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's that's always dope. Agree.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
But in addition to that, Boston's one of those cities
you wouldn't think of globally as like, yeah, you should
do a drunk Black History here because you know, racism
and so. But but like, I'm from the South, so
I get it, Like there's black communities everywhere and they
show up, and then of course there's white people that

(07:52):
want to hear this stuff too, so it's not like everywhere. Yeah,
it's not like the doors colors only or whatever, like
you can come in and hang out. But like it
makes it seem like because of the reputation, like oh,
this would not be the place for this, but it's like, no,
people are thirsty for this. People want to show up,
people want to celebrate, people want to learn, have fun support.
So like that was really dope. And when you put

(08:13):
those pictures up and I recognize some of the fans
and stuff, I was like, Yo.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
This is this is fucking cool.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Like, even for me, it makes me think about like
whenever we decide to do like blackout tips towards something
like I'm not gonna mark cities off just off some like.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, nah, man, you know, ain't nobody there.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's like, nah, black people will show up, or people
will show up, but black people specifically are the people
I'm thinking about. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not marking
off a big city that's where we live normally.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah. And also like it's just like you know, finding
a central hub in the area like that, like you
know people can get to like on public transit or like,
you know, that's not gonna be too trying. I mean
there's some cities where like I've done shows from like
I love this city and I want to bring up
but I may choose a different venue that's closer to us. Yeah,
you know, I mean it's a little bit more convenient

(09:04):
for us. But it's also like, because the show is
getting so big now, it's to be mindful like the
tech requirements and like other other factors like making sure
talent can get there, you know, and things like that.
So but if you like, folks have ever you have
a city that you want me to come to, like
bring the Drump by Kissy to please please hit us
up an official drum Black history on Instagram. I'm open
to all places and we're looking to hit the row

(09:25):
in the fall. We have a few dates locked in
that I'll be announcing soon. And then also twenty twenty six,
we're already putting some things into calendar. So it's it's growing, man,
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now where's the next show and when is it?

Speaker 5 (09:39):
So?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
But you have two shows celebrated June tenth versus Thursday,
June nineteenth at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn. Tickets are available
a drump Black issue dot com for that, and then
the following day, I'm back in my home state of
Michigan at the Detroit House of Comedy. That's gonna be Friday,
June twentieth, And I got homide Justin Williams from Newark
go be there. The homie Dylan Stevenson, who I used

(09:59):
to do sketch com and actually was in that screen
writing class you know, uh that you talked about Rod
He's gonna be on it. And then I have my
sister on the show. So that's gonna be a huge
moment for me because it's also the first time I'm
producing and hosting an event in Michigan since my first
ever production. Yeah, it's like a real from it.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You're like returning home.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, man, it's it's it's wild. It's yeah, it's like,
you know, it's a full circle moment for me. And
I'm really like, uh, you know, I have a few
other projects the rest of this month, like you know, uh,
producing the Homie Chris Lambert's Comedy Special and things like that.
But after June twenty seventh, my birthday, I'm taking a
little break. I'm gonna go a beach, take a chocolate mushroom,

(10:43):
just watch the water for a few hours, and then
just reset.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Now that's valid, please, Yeah, that's valid. You've been You've
been working hard for a minute. Bro, So I totally
get that, dude. Yeah, congratulations, and I know it's gonna go.
I know it's gonna go well, but yeah, get take it.
If y'all listening, where do they get tickets from.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Drump black history dot com? Come out. It's gonna be
a lot of fun. Both shows gonna be incredibly different.
So if you're like, I mean, it be insane if
you did both New York and Detroit. But like you know,
I love you if you do that. But yeah, every
show is different. Like a lot of people are like, oh,
if I go to an R show, it's gonna be
the same format. It's like, no, it's it's different every time.
I try to make sure it's a unique experience for
people every time they come a drunk Black history, which

(11:25):
is you know something I can't say for other people
that try to imitate the show, but it's yeah, it's
it's incredibly you know, hard work. It's a lot of
attention to detail, but it's really important. And again, I
want to make sure the audience has an incredible time
and you know that allows them to tell people about
the stories that they heard and you know, spread the

(11:45):
education because that's what's most important. It's not just about
the laughs and you know, people getting to see some
celebrities or awesome people on the lineup. It's also like
I want them to learn something. I want them to
share that knowledge and these stories with other people, because
that's the only way we can keep this stuff alive.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Not no, that's dope, bro, And I'm you know, we
always rooting for you, but we're also look forward to
it because I know it's gonna be help and I
know you do good stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
With good people.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And also like it's also interesting because I've been to
a couple of shows and it like it really is
different every time.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
You really do not fucking know, And I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I guess you don't know because that everybody covers
something different and not trying to be funny. You don't
know what level of drunk the gas is gonna be,
so I'm not trying to be funny, so that might
dictate how to show flows.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, yep, yeah, I've seen them. There's guests that get
drunk in the middle of their segment and I'm like,
I see something that happen in their eyes. I'm like,
oh ship, I gotta take the wheel. We know we
or you know, there's times when like the people don't
know what they're talking about, like they like maybe research
a different topic. Since we've rectified the process so that
happen anymore, but sometimes they're like they blink, you know

(12:55):
what I mean. That's when I got step in, Like
that's why I have to know as much as possible
about all these subjects. And you know, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
But when I was when I was there, I knew
what I wanted to talk about, and I knew the facts.
But obviously you're drinking all that stuff as well. Uh,
you're nerves, you know, for me, nerves. You know there's
gonna be people there. People are drunk, and the crowd
is you know, depending like they're very vocal, so like
so and I don't mean like hostile vocal, but like

(13:23):
they're interactive, yes, so like they're they're like in the
best ways for me because I like a reactive crowd.
But uh, when Brandon gave me like the stuff like
other stuff like documents or just documentation I could use.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's two three.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Pages just from mine, like like it's like you like
if you just really thought, like and he knows it.
So it's not like, uh, you're up there and you're
gonna fail, Like you're not. You're not gonna fail even
if you're nervous and you fuck up because your real
job is to be funny or entertaining while the informations
being relayed.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
But like I knew my ship and I was still like, oh.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Damn, like like, oh he really did. Okay, damn, there's
another page on each city. Okay, I'll see what you're
doing right now.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
And I tell like guests that are on the show too,
like you don't always have to know everything, and you
don't have to try to make it funny, you know
what I mean, Like I think about d Woods. She
actually came out with the print out of like all
the information I had for her because she was just
so nervous and she didn't want to miss anything. But
I was like, Okay, don't worry about making jokes or
anything like that. It will just come naturally or whatever,
because she was talking about Lake Lanier, and you know,

(14:32):
that just naturally led to a lot of engagement with
the audience her like talking about her personal connection with
and what interested her. And it was so good that
no one even echoed about Diddy or any weird shit
like that, you know what I mean, Like if it's
just dope, like you know what I mean. To be
able to talk to her about the subject that's not
related to her music career and stuff like that, and
that's the stuff that excites me as a producer and

(14:54):
booker of it. It's like I can through these people
to talk about something that they usually don't get to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
And we're also in the middle of you know the
cinematic uh peak of the year, like all the movies
are coming out of summertime is blockbuster time. I just
got my early tickets for Superman for the screaming screening.
If you have Amazon Prime, you can watch it on
like a Tuesday instead of a Thursday. Let's go, although

(15:19):
I'm not I'm not sure if I'm going because it's
the theater that got the seats you.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Hate care Oh the ones that don't move. Yeah, the
seats don't recline, they don't do yeah, and tough it out.
I don't know. I commission impossible because I can wait.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I can wait and do to two days later and
we can go see it at like you know, forty
X or some ship or whatever.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
But but I'm really kind of this is when I'm
really kind of early.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay, all right, I keep the tickets.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I just I'd rather have them and get rid of
them than to not have them and be like, damn,
I should have got them tickets.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Right, Yeah, so says give yourself options.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, you know, but I'm looking forward to James guns Superman.
Are you looking forward to that?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Brandon, I am? I am. I you know, like I'm
just curious how this is all going to work with
the DC reboot, because I was one of the people
that I was really surprised him pleasantly so by Peace Baker.
I thought that was actually really good show. Really, I
was like, oh, John seen it can act if he
has good material and a good like filmmaker behind him.
So I'm curious to see what James Gunn does. I
think it's the first time the trailers where I'm like,

(16:25):
I kind of get Superman. I know, some medium popcorn
fancer in the chat, and I know I've been like
skeptical a little bit because I never got into the
whole Superman Clark Kent thing and how people just didn't
see that. I think Mystery Men in nineteen ninety six
had a great like joke about it, like where they
were just like he just takes off glasses, Like how
do you not see that? That's the dude. Yeah, So
that's always bumped with me, Like I've always been frustrated

(16:46):
by that. But yeah, Rachel Brosnan as Lois Lane incredibly
inspired casting choice, Like I love that white Starlett. James Gunn.
I just love his dialogue. I liked the style of
it and whoever the actress I think she's Brazilian is
playing the what like she she's clearly from Krypton. I
think they're calling her like the engineer. I was like,

(17:06):
there's there's some scenes where they close up on her own,
you know, ups like yeah, I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
The other thing.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
The other thing I think it's so interested is that
trailer shows a lot of a lot of DC characters,
but there's like a lot like James Gun isn't going
for the like we need to make this super real,
we need to go steer away from these characters that
look kind of goofy and ship. He's like, no, give

(17:35):
him a fucking dog. Put that one motherfucker in there
that got like seven different colors on his outfit, Like
just do it.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Get hawkm in in there.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yes, yeah, mister fantastic is a Marvel But yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I think for me, Jane's Gun is somebody where I
trust his work for what he did from Marvel, and
he can make me cry about it. Not real raccoon
and a tree that just says I am grouped.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I am like for me, what's interesting is Karen hasn't
watched Peacemaker or but she did watch Creature Commando.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Pretty Commandos was good. Yeah, And I'm like, well, you
should watch Peacemaker. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Peker, you like the Guards of the Galaxy stuff. Karen
like the Peacemaker had a lot of heart and that's
what he does really well. It's like he needs to
care about people that are pieces of ship. Yes, and
like you know, like it's it's kind of smarty and
sarcastic a lot, but there's always heart behind it. There's
always a lot of the.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Opening dance, it feels like something out of anime, like
the opening dance number.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I never skipped that ship. By the way, do you.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Think there's gonna ben opening dance number to Superman? Because
Guardians had one right when Chris Pratt like after like,
you know, we had to cold open with the abduction.
He's dancing listen to that, you know player and then
Peacemaker we have the great intro and stuff. So I'm like, oh,
I wonder he's just gonna do some Superman.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I do want a musical element, but I do wonder
if if if it'll feel forced if it's for Man.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, he's got great soundtracks, though I heard I've heard
about his process with putting music in this movie and stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It might be something else.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
And also when it comes to Superman, I personally didn't
have any issues when I when we seen the first
trailer and I seen the dog, because we have never
seen the dog live action.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Like I watch a lot of the.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Cartoons, and the dog is periodically in cartoons and sometimes
the dog is kind.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Of with his friends or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
But that's what I was like, Oh you care. And
then like Roger said, it's mister terrific.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Thank you whoever said that. When you look at all.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
The characters and that's somebody who kind of learned about
DC through the CW universe with like the Flash and
the Arrow and all that type of stuff, it kind
of makes me just excited as somebody who read the comics,
even though I didn't get the same information.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
In the same way, I know who these characters are.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I also think if you do something fun and you
do it well, there's a time where people will start
letting go of some of the like uh, I can't
believe this, or what about how this didn't completely match
up with this thing. If it's done well, you'll forget
because MCU shit happened.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That happens all the time in MCU.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But when something is good in the MCU, we don't
spend a bunch of time being like, well, hold on
if Andrew Garfield is in it, and like we're like, no,
this shit is fun. Who gives a fuck about that
movie at this moment? And I think, uh DCU. Obviously,
you know, even with Jay's gunn carving out like this,
the new direction all that, it still has a lot

(20:35):
of different things it's gotta deal with.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
And I think if you make.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
It fun, no one will care if what's what's my
man that play Aquaman Jason Momoa? If Jason Momoa shows
up as Lobo, the audience won't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
If he's killing it as Lobo, they will not.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It won't like you can make a joke about him
being akamand er you cannot.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
You cannot even acknowledge it.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
If he's kicking ass as that character on that screen
at that time, people will find a way to just
enjoy it. And I think that's what's missing from a
lot of our like movie discussions, a lot of our
fanness and all this shit is this idea of like, no,
I can't enjoy it until I pick it apart. It's like, no,
the shit is when shit is fun, your brain kind

(21:20):
of turns off the picking apart and and and it
enjoys it in the moment.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I will say, though, and folks have heard like us,
you know, Justin Brown my coast medium popcorn and I
talk about this a little bit. I do think there
are some things that are happening, like whether it's society
or like even in the movie theater itself, that sometimes
dilute your experience and your ability to have fun watching
the movie, you know, Like for instance, you know, I'm

(21:46):
not gonna speak for for what Justin is going through,
but that kind of stuff, like a lot of the
stress has been impacting his ability to have to feel
a joy when he's watching movies, you know what I mean.
Like we watched Panton three and he was like, I
just don't get it, man, I don't like this.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
But as a as a creator, you can't think about that, like,
because each individual is bringing something to the theater, but
the one thing each individual is bringing to the theater
that they have in common is themselves, right, So like
the fact that you left your house, you want to
have an experience.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It may or may not reach you.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Obviously won't be for everybody, but like at some point
you just have to make it. I think if you
make it fun and make it good, especially these kind
of movies, like comic book movies are supposed to be
fun and good. So like there were people that were
kind of like shitting on the trailer and I was like, oh,
it's Superman, isn't And I was like, no, Superman is corny.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, he's called that's thea.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like it reminds me of when Chris Evans nailed Captain
America and it and like you under because I never
really was a fan of Captain America but when I
saw Chris Evans do it in that movie, I went, oh,
oh no, no, no, he's like the dude that is
like he believes all the ship that America says it
could be right, and he's low. He kind of mad

(23:05):
at America himself, like he's like he's like, but that's
not what the fuck we said? Why can't the black
soldiers fight with me? What's wrong with it?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Like he's that.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Guy and that makes sense in this in this and
I'm enjoying it, So I would like to see a
Superman be that guy. I don't want to see cynical
Superman who's like, oh god, I gotta say people again.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I want to see Superman who's like up for it.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, And that reminds me of the Harry cavill one
with the crazy Kevin Costaer as Papa Kenny's like, well,
maybe just let them die, right, like Jesus christ.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Man, how did you miss that? Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
But to your point though, Ryan about like you know,
like Chris Evans and like the way he was able
to play portray Captain America. That's the one thing that
was frustrated about Brave New World. I was like, the
creative team clearly want to do like some black ass
shit about this character and like his view in America,
and they were like no, like it just became such
a oh, such a different thing than what they probably intended,

(24:02):
like went out to do. Yeah, that was what was
frustrated about that, because the guy plays Isaiah phenomenal acts here,
phenomenal character, and the fact that he just is sidelined
after the first act.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It was like, honestly, that's what the writing is for, dude,
That's what they gave you the money to write the shit,
because like, I know what they wanted to write, and
I think every black person knows what they wanted to write.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But we also know.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
That you're not getting a fucking Marvel check to write
that unless you're Ryan Coogler, So like you just gonna
have to make some sacrifices to get your vision out there.
And then like, this is what I've been saying about
the MCU that I feel like people aren't discussing enough.
They got hit with like three major fucking curve balls.
You got the pandemic, which everyone got hit with. But

(24:46):
still this is the studio that was like we're gonna
put out four movies a year. That fucked them completely up.
Writer Strike that fucked them up. Chadwick Boseman dies a
huge one, and I forgotten before yeah, and I forgot
number for Jonathan Majors, So Lathan Majors really derailed. Like
everyone's like, why aren't these movies as good as they were?
I'm like, bro, they're reshooting the shit out of movies now.

(25:08):
They're they're like moving movies off the slate, they're pushing
things up, they're dropping things on the TV shows like
all at once, like their plans are they're scrambling because
shit started happening that they couldn't control.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I remember Kevin Fire, he was forced to do the
TV shows. He was all like he was forced to
basically make like to ramp up the output of Marble
and it's more about quantity than quality because of the
previous dude before Bob Iger came back. But I'm so
glad you brought the Chadwick thing because a lot of
people don't know. I don't know if it's Tom Holland
or Brie Larson who said it, but they one of
them talked about how on the set of Endgame, basically Chadwick,

(25:46):
Tom Holland and Bree Larson had a moment together where
they were like they were basically told by Kevin Fiey
and scept you guys gonna be like the new faces
of the MCU going forward, right. And when Chadwick died,
I think it threw up a lot of shit because
I think he was gonna be looked at us like
the new Iron Like you know, Tony starts to beat everything,
you know, the Voice of Reason all that stuff, and yeah, man,

(26:06):
I mean it just but it's a big machine. It's
not a stop.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's like a sport, but it's like a sports team.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
If you root for like a sports franchise, their ship,
that you know, you can be winning championships, Like the
Lakers are winning championships. Everything seems cool, everything seems fine.
Next thing you know, Shack demands a trade, Kobe gets
a sexual assault trial. Uh, you get a trade for
Jason Kidd. The league rescinds it. Now you ain't want
to ring in ten years. And everybody's like, what the

(26:33):
fuck happen to Lakers? Like a bunch of shit that
was beyond the control of like you know, the coach,
the GM like the it's like, this is about life.
Life happens to everybody and everything, and it's to me,
it's still amazing they are ever managing out to put
out anything that is good, like right, like because it's
just been so long. This is unprecedented. Everything they do

(26:56):
from the last like five years is unprecedented. Right, So
like the fact that you can even have like Captain
America Braveney world, We're like, I don't know, man, and
then follow it up with thunderballs why I walked out
that they are like fuck man, that was good, but
people aren't gonna people are gonna see them in the
same amount that they see both fell like it won't
be like, well, Captain America wasn't good. It only made

(27:17):
two hundred million. Thunderbowls made a billion because it was.
It's not happening that way people are day.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
People are just like not expecting this to be great
like they used to.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, the whole movie going industry is just in a
weird place. I mean things are picking up though, for
like movie stel tickets. I think how trade or Draggon
we just saw it last night. I think that that's
gonna do really well, you know, following Leland Stitch. I
think there's like a huge demand for like family entertainment
and stuff like that. And you know, Superman is solid.
I'm hoping Jurassic World is at least better than Dominion

(27:50):
because that was an abomination.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Is good.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
But I'm gonna go see it. But I ain't no
fucking way.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I know. I know, but Mahearschlaw isn't it again? But
that's how they get us well, you know what's so
but frustrats me every time I see rehearsal in a
Jurassic World trailer I'm like, how the fuck did he
make this before? A blame Moviega, what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (28:11):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's not just him, by the way, I'd be looking
at Scargo the same way.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yes, I was like, you left Marvel for this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like I know she ain't like I know that she
didn't like that they didn't put her shit out in
the theaters or whatever, you know, Like I get that,
but she did get her money.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
She was right, she was right. She was right for that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But it's still funny because she was like shitting on
them out there on the way out the door, and
you're like, oh, I guess the next thing she's in,
She's gonna be in like some really like indie film
high dramas showing her chops. It's like, no, I'm gonna
be chasing cgi dinosaurs and like, huh.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I mean, to be fair, she did act in sort
of dance her ass off in Merriage Story, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I saw that. Yeah, yeah, but it was jealous.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's just a weird time in the industry, like it's
all about IP and like uh, but like you know,
there is there is a growing demand for like original features,
which is exciting, especially for someone like me. But the
only thing is, like I said, like there's like less
of a focus on it being overtly about like race
and culture and just more of a human story.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Because we definitely, we definitely don't want more centers, guys.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's definitely not what Hollywood wants is a massive success
at the box office.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Like Sinners, ain't Center's gonna lose money. It's gonna have
to do all these things and make it to well.
Of course Ryan Coogler could do it, but only Ryan
Cooler could do it. We're back to the it could
only be one of us again, that's what we're at.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
It was so funny with Sinners because it was like
it was, first of all, it was not on white
people's radar, and you can tell, which was funny because
like I didn't know any black people that weren't gonna
see it. Yeah, Like that was like that from announcing
from the announcement, like not even from the like trailer.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was just like, oh, Roan Cocu got come out. Yeah,
him might be Jodaning, Okay, let.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Me that's how you had I didn't at first. I
didn't even know what was about. Like I literally went
blind and then.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
We saw the trailer and it was scary, and Karen
was like, I'm still going to see it. Yeah, that's
a big thing because Karen doesn't necessarily see scary movies.
And then of course the next thing was, hey, man,
if you're gonna see it, you need to see an imax.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Black people was paying them imax prices. Yeah, it's like
forty five dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
It's so it's.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So crazy to think about how many times we have
had this happen yep, in just the last probably decade
of just Hollywood doesn't see this black thing is being successful.
They they don't put invest in it, or they don't
you know whatever, they don't cover it. Then it's successful,
and it's like how did how was this successful?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
And then it's what wasn't really successful?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean when you add up the catering budget and
when you're adding like the marketing, like they start moving
the goldpost like, well.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I guess it.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I guess it had to make a hundred you had
to make a billion dollars to make a private And
then when it eventually makes a private, like this is
the most successful independent movie in fifteen.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Years and no one saw it coming.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
What a blockbuster breakaway hitting like, bro, we saw this,
we did we were anticipating this.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's it's it's incredibly frustrating. I mean I did like
a lot of uh. I had some interviews and stuff about,
you know, my perspective on the way that the media
was portraying the successive centers and overlooking him, Like Ryan
Coogler is in the Goat Conversation of film directors. He's
in the top five.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
And the rest of them, yes.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yes, Like come on now, what Like the fact that
people were trying to deny that. I'm like, that's what.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's stuff like that that makes me question, like whether
or not I want to be in this industry. But
of course I do. I love films, I love creating
and stuff like that. But you know, as a black
aspiring artist and director and writer producer, I'm like, he's like,
he legit is one of the best to ever do it.
And he's still young. He's only done six movies, right yeah,

(32:01):
And I'm like, and the people are just say, oh wow,
I mean, I guess Ryan cooor is pretty good. I'm
like his mentor is Christopher Nolan.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
That's all I about to say.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
And like mentor in the and I know JL Coved
is listening and he will probably write in about this,
but mentor in the way of like if Michael Jordan
mentored Lebron and you're just like, e Zach, wait a minute, no,
no offense to him, Jay, but this nigga might be.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Better than you.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Like that's how that's how like that early like when
when Lebron won like his the ring in Cleveland and
You're like, I don't think even mj could have did that.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That That's how it feels watching Centers, So I'm like,
I don't know who else could have made this ship,
but that motherfucker did that exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
And like Ryan is such a he is such a
cheerleader for the people he works with, for the people
that he collaborates with. And that's something that I always
keep in mind when like I'm putting, you know, people together,
and I'm like thinking about who I want on projects
because that's important and I'll see what those people to shine.
Like the fact that he had his college roommate love
Wig like on all the stuff to the point where

(33:05):
I think it was black panther. Chris Nolan was like,
who did the score of this and then he's been
Chris Nolan's composer ever since then too, Like he's he's
hooking up, you know, and he's giving people opportunities to
get oscars, and he elevates women creatives and DPS, costant
design all these things, and it's just like that's just
so insane that like he just now recently was getting recognition.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And low key, oh go ahead here, I'm I say yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
And and the thing I love about Ryan Coogler is
the fact that he pays attention to details, because something
you can never say about his movie is that he
doesn't shade us right like like like and we could
be in the bright and we could be in the dark.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
But you but but but but but you're.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Going to get us in our true tone and you
don't have like that casting and all that stuff, like
and I think it's a white lady.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
This is his person that does that. Yeah, it was.
She does an outstanding jobs, is it too?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
With the lighting and all that stuff? Because for years
they would say, like, you just can't do this like this,
goddamn it, there's a cat outside my window sill looking
in here.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
What the fuck? Sorry, we had one to do that
years ago was the get.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Out, get cats all the time outside the house, says
is a bad omen It's not. It's yeah, I guess
if cats that gather outside your house, it's not the best.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's one cat and he just keep coming back. I'm
not going to feed him.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's definitely not going to feed its gray white.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, it's a white white with brown spots.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Going back to the owner anyway, what I was gonna
say is before that.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Cat is what the white double in your house run?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Right, So it's like the vampires and centers and ship
if you let it in and.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Now it now owns your house telling you what to do.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
But yeah, the lighting thing is interesting because ever, even
the way he like hires people that work with him,
it reminds me of the NFL and Detroit.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
There's his coach.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
He's a white dude, daaning something, and he had his
staff is all black dudes, and and like not all
black dudes, but like young up and coming a lot
of black dudies, and people always like, yo, here a
real down dude for that, I'm like, yes, But also him,
Bruce arians did the same thing. Where else you're gonna
find the most talented people that keep getting passed over

(35:28):
despite being fucking talented that what they should be, Like,
they should be head coaches. Y'all's racism have them being
assistant coaches. Well, let me go get all the head
coach assistant coaches I can gather, and let's like be
the best team we can. And of course as they
show improved, they all of a sudden you start signing like, oh,

(35:49):
his offensive coordinator got hired to be the Bears coach
or whatever and like. But but the point being, like
there's a loophole that has been they they're making it exploited,
like and I think Ryan Cooler is very similar to
the same thing with women in the industry, where he's like,
y'all are the ones fucking up. These women should have
been in the prime time. So I'm gonna put them

(36:10):
there because they can handle it, not if anything, I
know I'm getting an advantage.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, Also Ryan Cooler when he talks about collaborating with
his wife and like the women on set and his productions,
it's something that I actually take very like to heart
as well with my wife and like the advice that
she gives me because she's always looking out for me,
right and he's like, these women save me for myself
because you know, sometimes we get like you know, especially men,
we get crazy ass ideas or we're like short sighted,

(36:37):
or we're not seeing nuance, we're not seeing enough nuance
or making sure that we're being mindful of how things
can be interpreted, especially especially if we don't have any
ill intent or like you know, we don't want anyone
to be offended or anything like that. It's like it's
so important that women around you to kinda check you
a little bit, you know what I mean, And so
for sure, and also I love that vulnerability.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, and also like the same thing happened with Rick
and Morty's writer writer's room.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Dan Harmon talked about it.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
They didn't have a lot of women in the writer's
room for the first few seasons, and uh, under like
pressure or just criticism or whatever. He was like, Okay,
we get some women writers, you know, everybody. We don't
want to like have any complaints and shit. And he's like,
I wish I would have done it from beginning.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Because because the seasons you could tell a difference in
this The jokes are funny. I all jokes aside, like
particularly with Beth in Summer like, and they talk about
more women, more women issue.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
You know, I think the mistake that so many people
make is they think of diversity and as a thing
where you don't have the same goal, right, So like,
for example, if we're here to make a funny TV
show and I'm hiring you as a comedy writer and
you're a woman, I'm not, I don't your only job

(37:57):
is not to come in and be like, uh uh uh,
that's not funny.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
You wanna be funny, Yes, you want to join in
on the.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Fun and you're gonna be You have experiences that will
make it smarter for our comedy, like you, especially with
something like Rick and Morty that's established so like you
know the kind of humor they're doing, even the stuff
you don't like your it's not like you go, I
don't like that, so we just will take those jokes out.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
No, you're thinking, oh, no, it would be funnier.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
If you did it this way, because that's that's the
next level of funny. Like there's a joke about the
h I think it's called the Bechdall test or whatever
that they have where it's like we need a scene
where two women are talking about something that's not like
about a man or whatever, and Morty has to like
imagine like Summer and Best talking about something and they
at first he fucks it up and it's like if

(38:45):
it like barely counts, and like stuff like that. Later
seasons you have like the episode with the like the
sperm thing and the egg and like bet, like Summer
has an idea that she gives the president at the
round table and he he's like, treata like she's crazy.
And then a man repeats the idea basically verbatim, and
it's like, yes, that's what we need to do. And

(39:07):
then Beth comes over and goes, welcome, you just became
a woman today, And I'm like yet, little stuff like that,
but it's still funny.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Some of my favorite episodes of television, especially comedy, have
been written by female writers. I mean Francesca Sloan, who
was a showrunner of Mister Mister Smith. She wrote the
Goo who Sat by the Door episode of Atlanta, which
I think is one of the best pieces of television.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, low key lo key.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's another thing too, is like because of his reputation,
but Donald Glover does a lot of the same shit,
we're talking about putting women in positions of like control
and and empowering them, not just on Atlanta but swarm.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Same thing. Like, but he just got like, I.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Don't know, I feel like the rep has gotten worse
than the than the truth at this point.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I like, you know what's funny is like Tati's
always like, do you worry about getting too famous where
you might like be like not like necessarily in a
Donald Glover situation where like you you know, you alienate
some people or something like that, or like you like
you might do something or say something that gets you
in trouble. It was like, I don't know, because I know,
like sometimes I like I, you know, I speak before

(40:15):
I think and some of that or sometimes my you know,
my writing could be kind of like crazy. But I
was like, I got you. You keep me in the man.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I think it's I think it's just it's a lot
of stuff. But like, especially in comedy, it's just, uh,
there was a there's a subjective that and there's a
period of time where I think people were making content
out of getting like hating on people, yes, and like
getting as many people as possible to hate them. And
I'm not saying like some of the stuff Donald Glover

(40:45):
didn't say it wasn't off, didn't say it wasn't a fence, right,
But like there's a level of like this person is
a piece of shit for the rest of their life.
There is where you're like, I don't think we agree
to that contract. Like and so anyway, I say all
at this, like I'm sure all of us we've done
so many hours of podcast. If someone wanted to just

(41:06):
be like, here's the five minutes of the worst possible
out of context things I could find, and this is
why this person is a terrible person. The rest of
the universe is not going to go seek the context.
They're just gonna go here's five minutes of offensive jokes
that they told and boom. There's a certain segment of

(41:28):
population that will hate you, even if the real reason
they hate you is.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Like you're big, You're making it. See you got you're
getting too much.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I mean, that's what in the New York comedy scene.
That's kind of what happened with Shane gillis. I mean, like,
you know, I can't speak for his role, like the
Joe Rogan Verst and all that stuff, but I remember
that s and no controversy came out. I remember like
reaching out to a bunch of my comedy ferences, like, hey,
I don't really know Shane, but like, yo, what's this about?
You're like, yo, Like Shane's mad, funny, Like I've never
been offended like in any conversations I've had with them.
Blah blah blah blah blah. And this is both men

(41:59):
and female women, because you know, there's sometimes when guys
get into their own bubble and it's like, oh, yeah,
this dude's cool, and then you talk the female comes
like that guy's a piece of shit. He's cry blah
blah blah. And so I like bet it, and people
are like, no, he's he's going to like because I've
seen some of this video stuff and it's pretty funny
it is. And so like you know, like with the comedy,
seem like you kind of like have to bet people
before you fully like not back them, but just like

(42:21):
you know, form your own opinion. We can be.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I saw a similar I'm sorry, care you go first,
I was gonna say.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
And also Brandon is one of those things too, where
you were talking about the conversation she was having with tati.
I feel like as long as you are true to yourself,
all do like like like that's the fact. Regardless of
what else happens around you, you can control the can't control.
I think being trueful to yourself and your comedy and
who you are would keep you grounded because the thing is,

(42:49):
no matter what, people just ain't gonna like you, period,
and and and and and that's it. And the Internet
just kind of amplifies those voices. But these people don't
know you.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
People are hating you that don't know you. So I'm
not gonna give them me personally. I don't you don't
know me. Why am I pouring my energy over here
to negativity? That really doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
The other thing too, it is when things like that
blow up, even the love isn't real, like you gotta you.
You have to go into the fucking void, into the
drift with no attachments.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
You cannot be out there like.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
The people on the internet are my friends, and you
shouldn't be on there like they're my haters.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And I wake up every day to prove them wrong,
like you have to.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
That's why go ahead. I've never want to influencer lifestyle
because that's your that's your whole life. Like yeah, like
I love I love the way that I create. I
love what I can create. And you know I got
shout you two like especially because you know there was
an episodes of media podcorn I'll say, damn, like I
feel like we should apologize and like trying to change things,
and you were like, yo, you're gonna have some bad episodes. Yeah,

(43:50):
seen some stuff that people don't agree with, Like, you're
not gonna please everybody. I mean, I spend one hundred
and fifty dollars a week with my therapist still, like
who reminds me this constantly? You're not going to like,
not everyone's gonna love you, Like, stop trying to be,
you know, the guy that everyone likes because you're at home.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
That doesn't.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I don't think people make the best work when they
have when they're doing that, because you're not really being yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Because you're just worried about and its creativity.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
You're thinking about who's gonna be mad about every fucking
thing you do and say.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
And then the other thing is like.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
That getting attached to that feedback loop that like parasocial relationship,
it can be so destructive because when someone knows they
have a little bit of power, most people are cool,
but some people are going to manipulate it on purpose
to be like, oh you care what I think, Well,
you're a piece of shit, Like and that's gonna make

(44:44):
you talk to me more, and that's gonna make you
talk about me more. You're gonna go on your show
and you're gonna do this, and all that stuff does count,
meaning like even if you had a like, oh man,
this like I remember we had a show where this
I didn't even understand at the time the definition or
understand what like transgender meant, like the concept and it

(45:07):
was like a new concept of me I did. So
it was not just that I didn't understand it, but
I think they were talking about a person that was
in prison and it might have been like I can't.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Remember, it's like they were snowed in or Chelsea Manning
or something.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It was someone who was like trans and they were
like they had done okay, Chelsea man and they were
like going to jail, and it was like in jail
they're not giving.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Her her hormones and her treatment and all this stuff.
And I was thinking, like, well, that's why you don't
go to jail. What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Like da da da, And then like a very nice
person to live your road in the next episode on
our feedback show to be like, hey, so if we're
saying it is a human right, blah blah blah, we're
saying this is not like a privilege, it's just this
is what, this is, how your body is. Like going
to jail doesn't mean you don't. That's like saying you

(45:57):
go to jail, you don't get insolent.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
At some point you just if we've recognized this as
this is a condition or a state of being as
a person just is or is it sends the prison
bars or on the outside inside. And I was like,
thank you that you're right. I didn't but I didn't go,
oh god, I'm going to delete Wednesday's episode because.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
I was like, people need to hear that too.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I want them to hear because I want you to
hear that I got corrected, and I want you to
hear that. From that point on, I was like, nah,
I remember that shit, and that's not how that works.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So I think it does. You know, I think that
all matters.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Right, And also because you like us, Brandon, you have
a long archive, Like people can go back and listen
to hundreds of episodes and so guess what is the
evolution of you?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
And nobody nobody stays the same.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
And I actually think that it shows you as a
well rounded human being because actually, for most people, they
don't have years and hours of them evolving recorded somewhere,
not time fun So they either have to go about
it or based on their own memory, based off of
the stories that somebody else tells them versus with us,
people can go back and they can see those moments.

(47:09):
Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it's still
a moment it happened. But it also challenges you to
grow and be a better person all that stuff. And
that's why I say the foundation of that is fine
because like ro just say, if you go back and
listen to an older episode, you can tell we have grown,
evolved and changed and things like that, and.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You should you know what I mean, Like, that's the
thing is that you should embrace growth. I think a
lot of people, for whatever reason nowadays, not a lot,
but you know a decent amount of people like refuse
to grow. They're like probably like I don't need to
learn anything I need to know. I don't need to
know a new skills set. I need to you know,
make sure that I'm constantly pushing myself to be a
better person and more well rounded person. That's it's a

(47:50):
very disheartening, especially as someone that's like a student of history,
that loves people, that loves community, that loves collaborating, you know,
like I worry about that when we go to society
that like you know, is dropping that, dropping the ball
in that and refusing to embrace that.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
But yeah, a big part, I think a big part
of this, like post election cycle has been watching people
almost proud that they're not going, they're not growing. And
it's been very interesting to listen to people talk about
like what Democrats should do in this in climate because
depending on who.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
You listen to, there are very different answers.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Like like we're acting like there's this unifying message they
can give where like sixty percent of the country comes
together and votes for them. And I've been listening to
people not even like interacting, just listening listen to podcasts,
listen to you know, to day, I listen to a
YouTube Michael Steel's YouTube show These Answers are all over
the place, and and if I feel like no one's

(48:48):
taking the time to recognize how different the answers are.
Because some people are like, you know, we need to
go as liberal as possible, progressive as possible, and that'll
bring us all together. Other people are like, we need
to like talk about football and Christianity and that'll bring
us all together. Other people are like, we need to
just be conservatives. We need to be we need to

(49:09):
get rid of these trans people and all this black
defund the police bullshit, and be as conservative as you can.
And all three of those groups are not really recognizing
their They have three different solutions.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And it's very weird because.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I was listening to a podcast and they had a
person write in, and this guy writes in every week
or whatever, and every week it's ay, the Democrats wouldn't
let men basically be fucked up, and so therefore they
deserve to lose. And that's why they keep losing it
because men aren't getting to be like misogynistic and homophobic

(49:47):
and all that, and they've decided that. First of all,
I'm not even sure that that's what the Democrats did, right, Like, like,
I don't think that's the message Kamla Harrison is doing.
I'm not saying she's not inclusive. I just don't think
her speed. Just were like and man, you've got to
stop talking like that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Like that's like they heard right.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But the point being in this post mortem, people's like, uh,
prescription for like how to fix it are completely different.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
And there is that group that you're talking about, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I don't know how many people is, but that's this
group that's like the reason they lost is because I
refuse to grow and they need to stop trying to
challenge me to grow or they're gonna keep losing exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
That's why there's the pushback about the the me Too
movement in or like a and you know, the DEI
and all this stuff, because white men felt that they
were being marginalized and felt like they were like tired
of being held accountable because they are in positions of
power and they were tired of people comp planning. And
now that Trump's there, they're like, oh cool, yeah, shut
the fuck up now, yeah, shut up, Like he's in

(50:48):
there now, Like even if I don't fully agree with
what he says, shut the fuck up. Yeah, Like that's
how it feels whenever. That's why, like you know, people
in Hollywood aren't saying anything about what's going on in
la right now. That's why business CEOs aren't saying anthing.
They're keeping them moum shut. That's why all these Hollywood
studios are capitulating to Trump's demands. Like this is so
out of pocket, just because white men were so aggrieved,

(51:09):
because their mediocrity was foinally becoming like well known o
sonxiety and like they were getting tired of brown people
excelling and doing burtering. That's why, don't get a twisted folks.
That's why these colleges are under fire. Yeah, anti simitism,
it's because they want to cut off access.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
If they're not they do not want you to go
to these schools. It's exactly what they were doing to
us back in slavery. They don't want us to learn anything.
They don't want us to know any better, so they
can keep us docile and work in these factories that
they're trying to open up in twenty fucking years right
where there will be no materials to source. It's it's
such a fucking their feelings so blatant.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Their feelings had to become facts. You know, like the
rest of us have to live in a world where
their feelings are just like treated like the truth. And
it's so obvious that it's about feelings, right, because why
are you taking rows of Park's name off of a ship?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
But why are you taking Harriet Tubs name off the ship?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Like these are not Yeah, this this doesn't make it right, Yeah,
but this doesn't make us safer, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
It's not like it's not like we go to bomb
in another country and they're like, don't worry, guys, it's
the Harvey Milk. Were gonna be all right, like they're
they're like they're like, oh, it's a bunch of bombs
and planes like there. But the fact that you need
that taken off says something about your feelings, like you
felt it shouldn't be on there because it meant something
about you.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Well, that's what's so interesting about the Hollywood climbing right now. Right, Like,
for instance, Tom Cruise and the Latest Mission Impossible. It's
like save us White Man, right, and Tom Cruise can
run the fuck out things, he can swim, So it's
like that's par for the course with this franchise, right,
but he's doing a movie with Eno Rito, who did
the the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio and Burnman and things
like that, where he's playing a billionaire who basically creates

(52:54):
like a world collapse, right, economic collapse, and then he's
the one that can save us, right, So it's like
and then Mountainhead. I don't know if y'all saw that
on HBO Max Whater, but it's about these rich white
dudes who basically like like have a lot of power
to control like the you know, the way that the
world works, right and like go global economists or even
talking about buying up small countries and shit. Like. It's

(53:16):
just very interesting how Hollywood's also depicting this, and it's
not quite clear what they're trying to say.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Well, but Hollywood doesn't have one message anyway. There's so
many people in Hollywood that have different things to say
through their films like this. These are the same companies
that will put out centers and shit, so like they're
like so psyche Press, yeah exactly, and like low key,
like I thought the last mission impossible. I thought the
message was actually kind of fucking dope, which was like

(53:44):
this AI bullshit wants humans to give in and betray
each other. I'm given to our weakest impulses and and
that's exactly what the fuck is like. And and yes,
Tom Cruise was the white man who has saved us
every time, but he's been the white man that saved
us for nine times.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
It was just a hard cuts with Angela Bassavers, Madam President,
we have to make a moving Her lips are quiver
and shit, just give it a minute.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I'm like, I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I'm glad you brought that up, because that's the other
thing I about about this movie that was so fucking
I love the movie now, and the reason I love
it is because it is all that d y'all shit.
It's right there. Every fucking character is just like it's
a woman or it's a minority of some type, and
it's they're all coming together, trusting each other in this

(54:33):
world that is divided, full of misinformation from an artificial
intelligence that is trying to destroy us, and the only
way we can come together is to be like, man,
fuck that artificial intelligence. I'm a trust in you, you
human being, don't let me down. And the entire crux
of that mission comes down to every fucking person puts
aside whatever grievance they have, which all of them have

(54:56):
a legit grievance, to be like, nah man, American nukes
work day, nukes, don't too bad, playboy, Hey man, you
shot my partner, not hey buddy. My dad said you
was a bad dude, and that's my daddy. So I
got to fucking kill you. And every single person was like,
except for of course the Gabriel the bag guy. Every

(55:16):
single person was like, I'm gonna fuck with you one
last time, Tom Cruise, Bro, don't fuck don't fuck.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Me over, Bro me over. You got me fired from
my job twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm in fucking Alaska with a with a with a wife,
Indigenous wife.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Hey you know what, brother, I.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Ain't even mad at you go save the fucking world.
What do we need to do to make the world
get safe? And the reason I think that's app is
because we are fucking right there, right now, right people
are fucking in la They are arresting people, and people
aren't fucking on Twitter talking about hey man, it ain't
happening to me. I'm gonna unbothered because if everybody's on

(55:55):
this like, hey man, look, let somebody else handle it.
And Tom cr we don't have a Tom Cruise in
the world, for real, for real, I wish you did.
Tom Cruise is like, I'll be the person to handle it.
Just help me, just give me a little bit of help.
And I wish we had that because we are missing
that tremendously.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
I hear you Ride, and I absolutely understand why you
like Mission Impossible Final Reckoning, But I think I speak
for everyone who's listening for saying I think we would
rather you break down the whole movie with that passion
than see the three hours that we saw. I would
love to hear Ride transcribe the mission a possible movie.
I'm sorry if it's just so long. It was three hours,

(56:33):
it's so long.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Let me see. I'm about to look up the rating
for this ship because it ain't no way. Everybody think
it's bad.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Eighty nine percent on fan Dango. Nah, nigga, you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Hey, now everybody gonna like to meet. We still get
death threats over elvis and pattitation.

Speaker 7 (56:50):
Also, also, I believe that if you don't have an
oxygen just suit and you four hundred meters below the water,
you could do that.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Shit you just believe in.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Listen, listen, when.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
You get Peggy Carter to rub them tennis up on
you for three hours, your damn's card look a defeat decompression. Okay,
I believe how tennis can reoxygenize your blood.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Brother, You need to wake up.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
It is wild that I was complaining about like everything
that happened the eighth one when the second one he
literally is flying off a motorcycle slamming into another person.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
By now, you you you either end or you're not.
I didn't have hard to tell you because he saw
it earlier.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
He dm me about like how he didn't like it
and stuff, and it was like it's got some meg
like level, like ridiculous ship in there.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
That was level.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
It's fine. I didn't have a hard to tell you
at the time. I was like that's what I'm yeah,
that's what I'm now. Yes, I can't get out of
ridiculous ship. I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna yum,
you're yuck. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Like like you, I'm like, he didn't like it, I
haven't seen it. I'm not gonna like be like I
doubt it. But I was like so you're telling me
he did some impossible shit in this mission.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Is that what you're telling me? Because that's why I'm
he running twice as long. Yeah, you know why I'm
here anyway. I fucking love that movie.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But yeah, so uh, speaking of movies, man, everybody's talking
about the economy. We don't got no money. It's struggling
out here. Okay, it's struggle city. But people do keep
going to movies.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
And the thing that's making me wonder, like, are we
really broke? Are we just playing? It's stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
This is the new popcorn bucket collectible for the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
How much you think this costs? Care? Oh it's on
the screen, never mind eighty dollars. That's more people gonna buy. People.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
That's more than a video game somebody gonna pay for
because it's collectible.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I'll get one of these. I'll let y'all know if
I get one of these with the with the screen,
because they gave me that that bone wolf ringing bucket,
so I'll let y'all know. If not by maybe you know,
I sell it to audience.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
We got some AMC bucks so that that might come off.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I get it. I could get it on sale.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Okay, Brandon might give it to you for a half
all forty dollars, eighty dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
On top of the movie tickets. Are we talking out?
We just playing? I don't know. I know they do AMC.
They do. They did Like and Stitch, but I think
they were like twenty five dollars. Yeah. Nah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
The collectible popcorn market is so weird to me because
I'm like, when you're gonna use the game.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah, that's the We never use that bucket. It's just
since on our shelf.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
It's the nerd thing. Yes, yeah, but like but how
many Anyway, It's not for me.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's like you said, Rod, it's like you don't want
to yuck. Anyone's young. But you know what I mean,
if you have disposable income, like and it's not that
much and that thing brings you joy, do it, man. Like,
I feel like so many people are holding back that
makes them happy because maybe they're like embarrassed or they're
just like, you know, I don't want to do that
because I don't know what's gonna happen in the future.
Just live in the moment, because honestly, that's the way

(01:00:08):
that the people running this country, are like, do what
makes you happy, as long as it's not hurt other people.
Because man, as a student of history, this stuff looks bleak.
And so I'm just like, I'm gonna write what I
want to write. I'm gonna do what I want to do.
I can't keep holding myself back because no one else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
But mean Bagan jokes about popcorn buckets makes me happy.
So I have to do what I do. Well, I'm not.
I just make sure you're cleaning to get the all
off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Eighty dollars is wild though. I like that is wild business.
That shit better be like bigger than like three popcorn bake.
It's like you better not be able to see the
movie you like you should have to hold the bucket
and be like, well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Can you get it on a firm though or klarna,
you know what I mean? If you can do that
with groceries.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, popcorn bucket lay you lay away, you keep walking.
You keep going to other movies, walking by your bucket,
like to more payments. Baby, you won My galactus is
all mine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
It's pumping the air.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, it's such an interesting time. Man, this is a
I was talking. Uh, well, I didn't even I wasn't
even talking. I shared something on Facebook about how Thunderbolts
lost money somehow, yeh, like it's one hundred something million
dollar budget and then it made like three hundred and
something million, but somehow that's still a loss because of
some other costs that I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Don't marketing and stuff I missed when we.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Didn't know that. By the way, no did we care,
Like I just missed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
When we weren't shareholders in the movies we saw and
the discussions we had back because this is a fairly
recent thing in my lifetime, probably like and then probably
with the inception of it, not even the inception of MCU,
but like maybe two years into the MCU, the way
people talked about movies just turned into line almost what

(01:01:53):
happened with sports, where like if you you can't just
like your sports team, you got to know the contracts
and the fucking like yeah, the GM and the salary
cap and the second apron.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I feel like that's what's happening with the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And the last thing we're really getting to discuss is
was Thunderbolt's a good movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I think that started, like you know, I remember,
like you know, in the nineties. That was a big
thing with like James Cameron, like The Titanic. That's like
the first time I remember hearing a lot about budgets
and stuff. Well, no, the lies before that, it was
water World with Kevin Coy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Because they lost.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
They're like, yo, this movie is crazy. It cost like
so much money.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But it was also like those are the outliers. Yes,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Now, Now it's every the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, like we used to like the outlier one way
or the other, right, like Massive Bomb was an outlier.
We would I'm not saying we never talked about budget.
I still remember fun what was the John something? Uh
the dude goddamn Taylor Kish something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
On marsh oh John Mars, Yeah something Mars Carter, John.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Carter, Yes, that movie was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
But I also do I remember the budget discussion because
it was like, yo, they spent a lot of money
and this shit didn't make and like, but that was
the one for the year, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I'm like, it wasn't my year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
The next week a movie came out, we was like,
now let's talk this budget. Now, I feel like we're
just talking budgets. That's like we're we're all fucking we've
we've completely given into the movie exec shareholder algorithm, and
now we're not fans anymore as much as we're like,
uh fucking h fantasy owners or yeah, like we're managing

(01:03:30):
our fantasy football team or something like, oh, guys, look
at this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Yeah, And I'm the type of yes, And I'm the
type person I'm gonna tell you right now. I love
basketball and I love football, but I don't give a
goddamn about none of them numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Half the time, my eyes glazed over. What is we talking?
Can he play? Can he not? Do you like the movie?
Or do you not like?

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
For me, that has nothing to do with it. But
I understand the budget makes money and all that type
of stuff. I get that, but I think that shouldn't
be the foundation of conversation about a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Think it's also a gent like it's also based on
people's agendas, yes, one way or the other, Like you know,
people pick up We all are in our own social
media like silos and shit, like we all have different
things walking into theater not walking in theater.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
And I find it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Because, like I posted that thing about how the thunderbolts
apparently did did not? It lost money. It was like
and the title was like flop you know which is
you know? But I'm like, damn, okay, it didn't make money,
but good movie whatever. You know, It's not like it's Marveled.
They'll be coming out with another one. I'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
They have be Thunderbolts too somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
So then a person in the comments was like, well,
it's weird these articles never mentioned the boycotts. And I
was like, boycotts, okay, what's going on with the boycotts?
And it's like, well, you know there's people most there's
boycotts going on for for Marvel movies or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I was like, oh, or no Disney movies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
And I'm like, okay, so this movie got I guess
boycott it. Captain America got boycotted. I'm like, which side
of the boycott?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Because?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Right, because one getting to my point, you getting to
my point. So there's a couple of things, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
The first one is that if people are boycotting, which
side is boycotting? Because there's also these people that are
like I don't see woked, I black anything, and I
don't want this. This ain't my Captain America. Are they
counting us.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
As a win too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Are they somewhere being like, told you go walk, go broke,
Get Anthony Mackie to fuck off my screen, get the
the god. What is that actress's names, Florence pe Get
Florence Peugh off of my screen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Get cat Bree Larsen off of my screen because that
the YouTube guys are claiming wins too, when these movies
they're not making that face and being like captain the Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Piece of ship and they're not to catch them, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and so I'm like, I don't want to see
ground to give them a win, but I have to
be fair and honest. I don't think it's like even
a divest movement thing because at the same time, Leland
and Stitch is making money. And the person was like, well,
those are family movies. I'm like, but how would that
boycott make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Like, let's talk about it and be honest with each other.
If you were boycotting somebody because you think they're contributing
to genocide, you gonna take a day off because it's
a family movie. That don't even oh, you can have
this twenty dollars, but not this twenty dollars, like they
it won't matter if it's Marvel or Pixar. It should
like it should be zero boycotts are zero. I don't

(01:06:31):
buy anything from Target right now. I don't be like,
well that Target got a Starbucks in it. That's different,
Like no, it's nothing. So I'm like that doesn't make sense.
The other thing is, wasn't that, like snow White movie
a family movie?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, that shit flop, That shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Flop and the I hate woke d All people took
credit for that, and I'm like, what just happened?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Sometimes people don't want to see a fucking movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Yeah, they're expensive, they're time concerns, and they're coming this
right and they're coming to streaming in three in six weeks,
you know what I mean. And even with snow White,
like maybe they thought they had a spark when it started.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Because you know, it take a long time make a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Maybe they thought they had something and I and I look,
it's a crapshoot. Because if you would have told me
snow White wouldn't have made no money, but Lelo and
Stitch would have, I would have been like, why would
one make money and not the other. But that is
what happened, and I can only explain it in hindsight,
but at the at the idea the conception, I'm like,
y'all gotta animated Leland Stitch. What the fuck y'all doing?

(01:07:31):
Just make some new original ship. Nah, it's gonna work.
I'm like, oh, if y'all think so, And then bam,
I'm looking now. I feel I went to see it myself,
and I'm like, na, shit, did make that money?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
They did that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
So it's injo at our press scrinting for Leland and Stitch.
They had a little animatronic Lelo I mean Stitch driving
around a little car.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
So cute, man, y'all, y'all, I have forgot how cute
Lelo and Stitch work.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
They're so great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
They're both.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Play incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It was so good and like this, And so this
is my bigger theory, right, even a little deeper than
what I just was saying. I think we're so inundated
with content and not enough time and obviously not enough money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I think a lot of the negativity is driven by fomo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yes, because like the the thing about people hating on
Lelo and Stitch. If you see the movie, I'm like,
that's a good movie. That's a good message. Like it
didn't violate or offend in any way in my opinion,
like in the in the reality of the movie they
made not forget the cartoon, don't bring that with you

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just I haven't seen that cartoon a long time, so
maybe it's easy for me to say. But like, just
as in the world they set up, I'm like, that's
a beautiful movie that like it made me emotional, it
made me feel all the things about family. I actually
thought it was a really dope mess about the sister
getting to like have a life and not be a
mom like and have her life basically be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
On the podcast, I talked about that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
And I thought, but I thought it was unique.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I thought they took a chance, which they normally don't
do in these type of normally.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Keep it safe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I thought they took a chance, and I said, fuck, man,
you did it. You guys did a good job, and
it still was very faithful to the culture. I see
more people shitting on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It who just haven't seen it, and they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
This is why you shouldn't see it, and I'm like,
I did see it though, so I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Ghostbusters all over again. Yeah, just insane, But yeah, I
mean the cultural aspect, Like, you know, I think a
lot of people that were complaining about the Nanni character
and like the way her story arc plays out, especially
at the end. You know Tati and I talked about
in our review, is that I think that one, it's
a cultural thing. So if you're not part of a
culture that's like about like, hey, it's a community, we're

(01:09:52):
going to take care of the children and support so
other kids, Like you know, the older sibling isn't sad
old with having to like be the primary guardian for
this child, blah blah blah. But also, like you know,
Tati and I had taken her god kids, so we
know what it's like to have temporary guardianship and work
like through the system and all that stuff. So it's
like we had a different connection to like what they
were doing and how they were portraying the story. And

(01:10:12):
I think, you know, again going back to going back
to people being willfully ignorant and not being like like
open to being like okay, like so there's a different
experience than mine. So hey, maybe I don't know everything.
It's just like, no, you're wrong. That's not my experience, And.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Like another part of that is we're constantly going like,
why are you remaking blank?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Why just do something new?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
But part of the reason I don't mind people remaking
and revisiting ideas is exactly this, Like I like Nerds
calmed down, but I like a lot of the Star
Wars shit after George Lucas got his hands off of it.
Not that he's a bad director or anything, but just
like some of the stuff was not gonna happen under him,
Like we weren't gonna get black people doing the stuff

(01:10:56):
they're doing now in that universe was not gonna happen,
and or it does not happen if George Lucas is
in charge. It's just all like kids toys and people
talking like jorj ar Binks and shit. So I'm like,
and I respect like the tiple that he made, but
the beauty of that world is that everyone gets to
visit and like influence it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
And the same thing. That's what Lelon and Stitch made.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Me feel was like, oh they changed it a little bit,
but like in a new direction that still has the
same like homage to the idea of family and all
that stuff. It doesn't need to be beat for beat
the same, but the hate campaign. That's why I'm like, wait,
y'all just don't want to spend twenty dollars to go
see a movie. You don't got to do all this,
but like, you don't have to turning it because I

(01:11:40):
saw the same thing happen with like Velma, and to
this point, I'm honestly sick of watching shit and being
like these motherfuckers was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
This shit is fun. Yep. I'm sick of it at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
And you know, because we do it for a living
as being critics and shit, it happens to me a
lot where I'm like, oh, man, they said this movie
was fucked up, and then and then I'm like sometimes
I'll even wait and be like I'll see it when
I get a screener, I watch it, and I'm like,
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
A good movie. I hear what y'all saying, but damn yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
I've actually been actively like avoiding just reading other people's thoughts,
whether it's film Twitter, general audiences on social media about
thoughts on movies, and I all see, I don't really
even mess with other critics thoughts on this because folks,
I'm gonna tell y'all something at press scrintings. Critics are
worse than general audiences that take out their phone to
be talking. Film critics, especially the white ones that see

(01:12:32):
every diverse movies, they're not good audience members. They're talking.
It's all about them. And if you hear film critics,
especially like hoity toity ones, yeah, talk about actors, creatives
and stuff. That's why those people hate them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, I used to listen it's so weird. Those are
a podcast I won't name the name.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
It's been over a decade probably now, but I used
to listen to my podcast about film religiously because they
would review like the new movies every week, and I'd
be like, oh, let me check this out. And then
I realize over time of listening for a couple of years,
and I was talking to I think maybe Chris Lamborth
about it, and I was like, hey, you ever noticed
that these guys don't seem to review a lot of

(01:13:11):
black movies. And he's like, yeah, well, they're just trying
to get like the more like our house, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I'm like, I hear you. But sometimes they'll watch like
an Adam Sandler movie, but not a Tyler Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Movie, right, And I don't need them to like it.
They could like shit on the Tyler Perry move if
they want to. I'm not like that kind of black
where I'm like, you better like it, white man, Like
if it's a bad movie, it's a bad movie called
just be honest. But not seeing it is a weirder
choice than seeing it and not liking it. And I've
noticed that, and I never went back and listened to

(01:13:41):
that show again. But that is a there's that blind
spot in the criticism, which is I think why black
people do get the fensive of our art in those ways,
and why us as critics sometimes feel like we have
to carry a torch because we're like, oh this, we're
not fighting a fair fight, right. You know when whenever
someone mentions like a black movie, uh winning or being

(01:14:02):
nominated for an Oscar, all of a sudden they're like,
and I don't even know, I never even heard of this.
One's like, you didn't hear of it because it's black,
and you didn't go you didn't seek it out, and
you didn't watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
What the last thing you need to do is be
dismissive of it. This is your fault. You didn't see
it like, this is like, uh, don't blame us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
It's like when I listen to sports people talk about
a basketball team, they're like, I don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Know these guys, nigga, it's your job to know them.
It's one tell me they sorry. It is one thing.
Like if you want to be like, y'all, watch them
and he's sorry. Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
You telling me you didn't do the homework is not
the flex you think it is. That's just you being lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
And so anyway, I say all that to say like,
criticism is very much the same.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Yeah, And to go back to what you were talking
about before about people in the remakes remake, I feel
like this we make all this shit you want is
gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Bad, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
I don't want to hear people talk about remakes when
it's forty five hundred World War two movies, eighteen thousand
Holocaust movies, somebody in the mother fucking playing somebody up
in the goddamn air all the goddamn time, and you
remake it and you twist it, and you sometimes you
name the ship the exact same goddamn thing. So I
don't want to hear people complain about fucking remakes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Stop making them goddamn ships.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Then I think there's no there's people just focus on
what they're not happy with. So like there's a new
ip that comes out that sometimes flops, you know, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
All I think it was like, fuck, what is the Jonathan?
What is din that Washington Sun name?

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Oh Jonathan H.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
John David Washington or something like that. Okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
John David Washington was in I think called the movie
called The Creator or something.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Like Creator Creation or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Yeah, we went to go see that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah yeah, now people are saying it might be a
cold hit. Anyway, we went to go see it. I left.
I thought it was all right. I did like, I
didn't really like it, but I didn't hate it. I
was just like, oh, they got a big budget and
they made a movie that I think is okay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
I actually your budget was even that big. That's what
impressed me the most about it, Like you right, Like
I wasn't the biggest fan of it, bum say, visually
giving like their budget, I think it was like fifty
or sixty mili okay, but that was pretty damn good.
Like District nine kind of level exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
And when and when I read the other day like oh,
this movie was coming to co hit on streaming platforms,
I was like, that makes sense because those are the
kind of movies I when I was a kid, I
used to love The Last Starfighter, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I like, I don't know nobody else that loves.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
That movie like I did, But I love that movie
and that's what that movie was there for. And I
never gave a fucking it made money in theater or not.
I didn't know that shit. I just loved that movie.
The creator could be like that. But the problem is
like people will say, like, we don't do any new
original IP and the You're like, but when the creator
came out, where was everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
You know what I mean? Time you ignore the shit
out of it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, But if they would have said that shit was uh,
I don't know, Total Recall seven or some ship like
this or the remake of such and such, like people
would have made there's some people who would have left
the house that didn't you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
And this wasn't a shitty movie, meaning like the Total
Recall remake.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Was shitty, like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
It was just like throw the name Total Recall on
some ship and then get people to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Ain't that the movie lost it? They turned up the sound.
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
But my point being like, that's the that's the the
bullshit that that's why people keep recycling I P. Is
that yes, is that if people's true thirst for I
just always want something new and original was strong like that,
and it was stronger than the movie has to be great,
because it's not fair to say I'll watch something new,

(01:17:43):
but it gotta be great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
That's not what we do with these shitty I P remakes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
You're going to see these shitty movies because they got
slap Transformers five on the ship. But if somebody says like, hey, uh,
this is a new director with this, we're like, I
gotta see some reviews like Sea and we won't go
see this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
So yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
We make it hard as an audience, and then we
complain like it's the studios only, like only the studios
doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I'm telling you, studio execs want to do original stuff.
They don't want to like just recycle old ideas. It's
just that they think that the audiences that's what they
want because they're so complacent, right, and they don't like
to have to stretch their thoughts too. Like for me,
I think it's just a lack of creativity. And I
think that like comes to what we were talking about earlier,
which is like, you know, a drop in interest in

(01:18:31):
education and focus on education and also learning other different worldviews.
I think the more you diversify your thoughts and your
experiences and like read and learn about and have like
you know, build your imaginations and stuff, that's when the
original stuff an ideas resonate, right, Like that's when like
you can connect with stuff that's outside of your personal experience,
outside your personal worldview. And I just think that we're

(01:18:53):
becoming more and more siloed because of social media and technology, and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
We're just inundated with content, yes we are, Like a
lot of this stuff is us.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Complaining because we got too much.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Like it's like it was easier for people ironically before
everybody was getting a green lit, like and now Hollywood
scaled back obviously, like after the writer strike, especially, like
it's almost impossible to get some.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Shit green lit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
But we had like a good seven eight years where
you can walk in the studio and fart and people
were like, hm, eight episodes, see what you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
With that reminded me that my time was off again
in the Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I was rooting for you. I was like weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
They're like yeah, like we're like, you know, definitely pictures
your ideas, but like, you know, have you ever thought
about working on missus doubt fire? Like why listen?

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Brandon Collins was a fortnight away from startle Okay, not a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Fortnight like the writers strike happened.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Like writers, they were like, they were like, you know what,
let's give them a seven picture.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Oh the strike songs? Oh say this I can said.
I can't say the production company. But I did have
a pitch meeting scheduled for the monday that the strike
happened that was going to be a murder mystery that
was focused on Lil Wayne and Diddy. Dang, So I
definitely dodged the bull.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Yeah, thank god, thank god.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
To be fair, it was gonna be about Diddy being
killed by a bunch of like basically, he was having
a dinner party with all the bad boy record artists
and stuff like that because he was gonna give them
back their masters, because he like, you know, was trying
to make himself whole at the time. I didn't know
why he was doing that kind of stuff, right, And
Lil Wayne was invited as like a mediator or whatever.
Lil Wayne is like a big Attica Christy fan. And

(01:20:41):
so Diddy ends up dead at the dinner party and
it's gonna be about him trying to figure out what's
the locks was a Mary j like who killed Diddy?
And so I was gonna do a whole pitch and
everything like that there track.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Honestly, man, God was looking out for you on that one.
Good thing. You missed that one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, it would have been Imagine that shit would have
just been coming out like this month.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I'd be on this podcast for voting it. I'd be like,
all right, listen, everybody, listen. I know I didn't know,
and you know what happened to me too, Like all right,
listen to everybody. I know it's weird. Go see this
movie I needed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Please support me like here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
For that and baby Oil please, the Baby Oils potform please.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Everything we rolled in like here like here is home,
so you wouldn't have no problem promoting it here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
But I'm just picturing you on like fucking good morning
a marriage trying to explain, like, can you explain what
you were thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
At the time, because this is this is insane.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
I'm not I don't see you going on. Joe Rogan,
I said, you like on the big shows.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Or a Van Lathan and his cowboy hats, like thinking, listen,
let me right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
So let me get this right. You think what happened
Cassie is hilarious. No that I don't think that. I
didn't know that happened. That's not just before that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Like it's gonna be worse than a lot explaining. Yeah,
it's gonna be worse than oh god, I can't even
remember his name is Benson.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
It would be an epic breakdowns. Y'all know what ye
do well under extreme pressure, Like I can handle Blake,
but Blake. If I'm going to the unknown and I'm
getting like Pepper like with some crazy oh, Joe spasically said,
this is straight breakfast club. Oh they would eat me up. Yeah, yeah,
that would be a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Honestly, it would be worse than when Nate Parker was
trying to promote that movie. Oh no because him, Yes,
because with the trial going on right now, like dude,
they're gonna be like, so Diddy, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
What you thought.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
You thought normally that situation, right, you would put like
the star right, maybe Wayne or the rector of that film. No,
because they trying to DoD some bullets, they put the rider.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Yeah, they're gonna have to put you out here. You're
gonna do You're gonna be out there the press run
whoever you got to play Diddy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
It's gonna be like like Jamie Fox refuses to come
out as he's not gonna do that, he said, he
said he's doing no interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
He actually his people are trying to shut the movie down.
Brandon so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Needs you to go explain this to Michael straight hand.
Uh today, Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
What do you want audiences to take away, given like
you know, the current climate tribulations literal trial of Puff Daddy? Well,
you know, I want people to laugh, ye, I want
people to have a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I actually think nothing about this is funny, even though
it is a comedy movie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I actually it was to me fair he does diet,
yeah exactly, I killed him right away.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I mean it's in the trailer, not even the whole
ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Oh god, that would be such bad time for me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Yeah, man, that that's that's true. Uh true, Brandon Collins
timing right there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Uh we'll jump like he She's doing well. So I
got that too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
That's what matters, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Okay, And we just gave you an hour and a
half of not having to think about out you know everything.
I looked at this, I looked at the news before
we came on to day and yeah, let's let's get it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Let's get it at tomorrow. Let's it's gonna be there,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
They firing journalists, They you know, motherfuckers is stealing people's
wives in the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Damn it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
They're trying to get people back. Today fied They was like,
oh yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
You like your old YD back, CDC getting rid of vaccine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
That for experts. You know, we don't need to think
about that. Guy, think about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Why do women not women?

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Females? Brother, why do these females? Go ahead and finish
the sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
He would like a villain from Invincible, Like why is
what I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I like nobody took a worse than Cheryl for being
married to him, because like I thought so much of
that lady before for uh I found out she was
married to R.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
K Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
And then when he was cheating on her during the
presidential campaign, I said, okay, so finally she got the
reason to leave him, and then this will be her
escape hatch where we can still consider her a good
white lady.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
And she stayed. And I was like, she did my
bad in for a penny, in for a pounds, You
bad too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
When I see stuff like that, John Everard should just
stayed in the rates back in the day, right, you
know what I mean? At this point, like if I'm
sure he's like, what the fuck what he see things
like that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
He's still around, right, And you know, and I joke
about this every time Roger bring that up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Man, if kurb was still on, the next season would
be all jokes about her and the whole thing. Man,
the next season would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Great, all this bullshit with Trump. He had a ball.
RK Jr. Must be he really gotta be slinging some pipe.
He giving her that dangling because nothing doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
There's no way to make this make sense unless he's
just dicking her down nightly, Because what the fuck are
you doing, ma'am?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
This is embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
If that's his voice as he speaks. I can't imagine
what he's grunting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
You can't go to the to the Harrison line with
them knowing that's what did he be talking to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
You like that? Who make me?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Apparently? Apparently there's some Republican based like you know, restaurants
in DC, And I'm like, that makes sense because I
imagine if you're a politician, especially Republican out there, there's
all the people are spitting in your food. There's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Yeah, and can't you ordered door dashing your name?

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
They probably be like or if they do, come in
and sit down, and this isn't a pleasant experience.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Joe said. She reaching for whatever power, brother is Dick power. Now, listen,
I've seen you don't make no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
She's not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I'm not I'm not an expert in everything, but we've
all met somebody that's clearly just getting dicked down and
have just decided that they are riding this out for life.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
And that's the only way this RK. Junior thing makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It just because he ain't really got no real power.
He ain't gonna be president.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
It was always a joke to the rest of us.
He just got to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Be going home and just knocking it out the frame,
and then she'd be like, I guess I'll give him
twenty four more hours or some shit. Cause even all
them other women that he was cheating with and shit,
they was even on some like like none of them
came out and was like RFK JR. How could he
take advantage of me? They was all like, no, I'll
let him dig me now. Yes, I left my husband

(01:27:34):
and I told the world, Yes, that's what happened. I'm like,
only good Dick could make you do that. Only good Dick.
All right, let's do one game with Brandon before we
wrap this up. Okay, let's play a little bit of
guests to race. Okay, we've been very nice and anti racist,
but people are gonna they need to have clips to
cancel us over when we blow up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
It's hard to catch the race. It's time to race.
It's time to catch the race. It's time to catch
the race.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Guess the race.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
We go around the globe, find different articles, guess the
race of the people evolved. Today's contestants care and of
course Brandon Collins all right, armed door dash dope, busted
over tip demand, angered that he had not received a
cash tip the night before on one hundred dollars order.
A door dash driver returned to a Washington home with

(01:28:35):
a loaded gun on his hip to seek the gratuity.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Oh no, and your contuit, it gonna be jail time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
First of all, the fact this man waited a full
twenty four hours to come. He was thinking about that
thing that that was second clocked out. He's like, okay, okay,
I'm gonna get my ten percent.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
The investigators alleged that Robert Delahunt fifty nine, showed up
last Thursday morning at the Vancouver residence of Keana Corindakov.
We're not guessing her race. She's nineteen, he's fifty nine.
He showed up to demand the tip. Delaqant was loud
and mouthie. After Corinakov's father told Delahant to leave the

(01:29:17):
family's property, the men got into an altercation, during which
delaha allegedly reached for a hosted Ruger firearm. Anthony Volino,
fifty five told cops he grabbed the gun and pushed
the drivers the driver down onto the driveway. Bolino stated
that he smelled liquor on Robert's breath. He thought anything
could have happened, cops reported. He said he feared for

(01:29:40):
his safety when Delahunt reached for the gun. After driving
away from the residents in his Kia Soul. Delahant called
police dispatch and advised the house cheated him out of
a tip, so he returned and was pushed, So he lied.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
I mean he was pushed, But you returned to my house.
That's the motherfucking problem.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
You're not a yeah door dash is not gonna have
your back. When you were like yeah, I came back
to get my tip. A day later, they're like what
so he smelled the booze. He admitted to drinking at
home before returning to the house the client's residents. I
shouldn't have come back, he told the police. He also
claimed that he had only lifted his shirt to show
he was armed.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
After being confronted.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
A home security camera recorded the men wrestling over the firearm.
The footage also showed him holding the gun after he
had been this Veolino, I'm sorry the father holding the
gun after Delaha had been disarmed and shoved to the ground.
Delaha was charged with the salt harassment, driving under influence.
His blood alcohol level was measured at more than twice
the legal limit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
He was blitzed. So how did he drive there? That's
what I want to know. How did he drive home?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Well, when we talk about the race, we'll we'll find
out because you know what I mean. Yeah, we're in
a racist second handle drinking and driving.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
So they said they have now the company has let
him go there him he's not allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Don't say yeah, you hate to see now he's driving. Yes,
all right, Well guess the race of mister Della Hunt.
I'm going white, cares going white?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Brandon, yep, I can't take an old white.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
All right, Let's check the chat room. See what they believe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
G t a style driving white, falling down the gig
economy story white, the white guy who didn't tip the
white the white guy who demands sorry that that sound
was playing problem from an article, The white guy who
demands tips.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Someone said.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
White cousin niggas don't get up that early, and Della white,
the correct answer is white.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Nobody missed it. And then the pictures are Let.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Me pull up the picture for him, because it's two
different pictures. One is like the the dad holding the gun. Uh,
that's when the dad pushed him down and grabbed the gun.
But the guy who did it is in the black shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Uh, he pushed a ship out of him too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
First, first of all, your old ass showed up there
with the gun, got disarmed and pushed down and told
to get the fuck out like like every and you
didn't get no tip.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Everything didn't go right for that man that day.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
That's it has been going right for a while, Rod, there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Was some other things going wrong in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
That's a good point. You guys are right, all right,
Let's go to the next.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
One woman. All right, that was fucked up. They put
that in the article too. Yeah, they didn't, you know, right,
they did everything itself.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
That man, little bitch, he drove off in his Kia soul,
little bitch, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Next one woman.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Charged within bezzling more than five hundred k from church.
A church's financial secretary has been charged with in bezzling
over five hundred and seventy thousand dollars from the congregation.
The now South County Sheriff's Office has arrested Melissa Gainey, English,
forty four, on charges of in bezzling more than five
hundred and seventy thousand dollars from Amelia Baptist Church, where

(01:33:30):
she served as the financial secretary for approximately eleven years. English,
formerly known as Melissa Gainey, Rodin, was accused of using
the church's credit card for personal expenses from January nineteenth
to October twenty twenty four. That's a lot of expenses, yes,
that is. That's like one hundred thousand dollars a year.

(01:33:51):
The investigation began when two new members of the church's
financial committee noticed discrepancies and bank accounts at records that
they have.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Somebody was like, I do this for a living, and
they was say, hey, this shit look o.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
I know. She was like, we don't really need to
hire nobody. I got it, y'all. You know she fucked
them too for nail, right. They was like, nah, we
need to get a couple more people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You know, church is growing and honestly we having some
money issues. It seemed like we're not making as much
as we thought we would from the door.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Now, I got it. I could like to look at
I'll fix it. I'll fix it. Don't know how nobody
you shore.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
I mean some of that musli umule is gonna cover
a summer school about Bible study.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Some of Bible study here and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Upon reviewing credit card statements issued to English, they discovered
hundreds of thousands of dollars have been used for personal expenses.
She was terminated from a position following these discoveries. The
Church higher contracted the review all financial transactions from twenty
nineteen to twenty twenty four, uncovering numerous discrepancies and fraudulent charges. Man,
that's sad too, because like she should just be like

(01:34:52):
the Lord was providing for me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
That works I needed more, right, Jesus works in mysterious ways.
We say it all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Then Johnson opened up my wallet and my routing number
doesn't mean that there's nefarious things, right, Come on the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Now South County Sheriff's Office investigative revealing that English and
bazil Nelli forty twenty nineteen ninety and twenty twenty one,
hundred thy twenty twenty one, one twenty five, twenty twenty two,
one twenty three in twenty twenty three and more than
ninety thousand and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Twenty twenty four. So she must have said that must
have been when they hired them people. Yeah, she's like,
I gotta drop a little bit about two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Her personal expenditures include the Amazon purchases, travel.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Expenses, and entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Now look, ohas listen, that might be fine if you're
the pastor, but that is wrong if you are just
the secretary.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Okay, shit, what kind of entertainment were talking to?

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Was she going to the strip blood?

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Probably probably making it rain up in chipping Dale's. This
is a significant breach of trust. Doablar blah, said the sheriff. Anyway,
guess the race of.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
What was her name?

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Uh, Melissa Gainey English, Black, Karensys black.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Gainey.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Game, I'm going with the Lord is going to bless
me with these funds.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Black at the chat room. Let's see what they have
to say about it. Where my church fan at hit
me one time? Black cat audacity faith works without faithful
not works is dead? White white because no black deacons
would allowed est and Marvin SAP's voice never would have
stole it without you white white. Thank you Jesus for
helping me steal white and black. She outside the club

(01:36:36):
a NITA invite picked poor Robin clean white.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
So this is the guesses are white and black, and
they're all over the right. These are the people that
be showing up the drunk black history. Don't be surprised.
He's the same people anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
I never would have crossed y'all. Jesus, I don't want
to be against the race story, right, please, And you
see my name on one of these articles, just call
me something else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Uh, well, you guys both went white. Oh no, you guys,
all right, the correct answer is white.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
So the name kind of sound black, and it sounds black.
And when you gave like their original name, it was
like rolling into something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
I was like, oh, that's definitely black.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
And they was from the church and it was a
Baptist church. God that that ping don't for me too.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
But this her, oh oh yeah, she got I'm surprised
you didn't take more.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Ain't that the truth?

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
A blond white woman? Yeah, she probably would have been
the millions if she played the cards right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Now, many of you did get it correct. So let
me give you your applause real quick. And that's why
I never cheat with the game.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Everybody that be writing up here like ride they too easy, Rod,
You should change some of the details. Don't go with
two white people back to back ship like that. Y'all
don't know what the fuck y'all talking about that was
more fun because they were so sure.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
I was sure. Even the name of the church sounded black.
I would listen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I I would have guessed black if I didn't know, right,
it just be like that race is funny. All right,
we're gonna go to the bonus finally, and uh then
we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
So bonus round, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Time to guess the race. It's time.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
It's time to guess the race.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
It's time to catch the race.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
All right, bonus round.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Everything's worth triple the points, triple to racism.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Uh hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Actually it says it's race in the fucking first sentence.
What the fu or its nationality?

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Mm hmm. Know, all right, we'll go to the second one,
different because I don't even know how that works in
that type of race. H let's go with this one.
How about.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Incorrect fast food order, sparks, fight at local dairy queen.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Oh wait, you know what we did this one? We
did this, this, oh this, okay, so yeah it was white.
It was white, dude, but oh.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
All right, just a wild stuff happened with black people
with Derry Quinn.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Listen, it do be crazy out here, Okay, let's keep it.
Let's keep it fast food. Though this one's Orlando.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Now it's a YouTube video.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
If I play this sound, I need to know if
you guys can hear it in the chat. So I'm
gonna play like ten seconds of stopping the check.

Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
He is accused of using a customer's credit card to
add money to a prison inmates account.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Okay, did y'all hear that? Because uh yeah, okay, okay,
and chat room? What are they saying here here?

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Okay? I know sometimes? Yeah, take it here? All right,
here we go, I start it over here we go.

Speaker 9 (01:40:10):
Pompey's employee is accused of using a customer's credit card
to add money to a prison inmates account. And that
is our big story tonight at five point thirty. This
all happened in Flegler County.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Yeah, this woman is accused of tapping the card to
buy an order of chicken and then tapping another charge
on a cell phone. Fox Rety five's Chris Lindsay is
live for.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
US tonight at the Popeyes and Palm Coast, and Chris,
she was arrested outside of her job.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
Yes, detectives showed up here to the scene of the
alleged crime to hauler off in cuffs, and as you'll hear,
when they read her her rights, she couldn't believe it.
A Popeyes employee caught with some sticky fingers.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Man, let me read your rights.

Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
You have the right to remain soign. Then we don't
serve chicken in a jail. So she's not gonna be
eating Popeye's chicken.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
A customer swiped her card for a meal, and when.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
The cops try to get one off, see, man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Was she black. That's gonna be real fucked up. That's
gonna be a real fucked up common right.

Speaker 10 (01:41:17):
The drive through at the Popeyes on State Road one
hundred in Palm Coast. Later on, she spotted a three
hundred dollars charge posted to her account and.

Speaker 8 (01:41:26):
If you see some that doesn't look right.

Speaker 10 (01:41:28):
Investigating detectives traced it to the woman behind the counter,
forty eight year old Sinikwo Ridgeburg. She allegedly charged the
woman for the order before tapping the car to her phone.

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
She thought she was being slick.

Speaker 5 (01:41:42):
And later sending the money to a friend who's behind
bars for.

Speaker 8 (01:41:46):
Phone calls or cookies and crackers whatever they sell on
the commissary.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
She was charged with fraud.

Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
Well, she found out she's not that slick, and she
got to join him, not in the same jail, but.

Speaker 10 (01:41:59):
In a Staley says it's unlikely she was caught on
her first try.

Speaker 8 (01:42:04):
If she was, then you know she should go play
the lottery instead of committing crime.

Speaker 11 (01:42:09):
And he's asking people who went to that restaurant to
check their bank account. Her rest was about a week
and a half ago, so you should be looking out
for any transactions here at this restaurant before then. She's
since been released on a seventy five hundred dollars bond.
Reporting Live in Palm Coast Chris Lindsay Fox thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Hey man, let me tell you something that's not a
smart crime. And here's why.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Nobody eating Popeyes has three hundred extra dollars. Right, if
you are in a Popeys, you are definitely gonna know
three hundred dollars went missing from your account. It's impossible.
If I had three hundred dollars, I'd be eating somewhere better.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
That's that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Yes, Yeah, like KFC, come on, come on now, I'm joking.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Yeah, we all know you're a monk's family. We don't
fuck with the KFC parent. Guess the rice.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
I'm going I'm going black, all right? Uh, Chika rich bird,
guess the rice?

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Right? I mean black? But like, Yo, all the commentary
from the police officers that is so out of pocket.
But that too at the end, He's just like, and
that's the story down here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Yo, what is that low key I kind of do with?

Speaker 8 (01:43:27):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
The sheriff would have let me punch up the jokes.
They weren't that funny. That's that was my main problem.
I just needed him to be like, it's gonna be
more than a fifteen minute white.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Can we see what the sheriff looks like?

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Not yet, I'll show you at the end. I got
the whole thing. You guys got some bots. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Uh popeyees just call him. Uh trying to get her
baby daddy some extra rhymen. Negress trying to make a
dollar out of fifteen cents. You missed, you missed black
African Americans. Uh, this is some deep dark nin just
getting ramen for the block.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Black gold teeth, gold chain wearing fried chicken damn song.
I ain't never used old grease black.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
They are black the correct everyone said the same thing,
and you got it right. She's black, and I will
show you her, and I will show you the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Uh so her is here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Yeah, And she looked like she knows she fucked up bad.
That's not a smart crime.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Man, Not three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
I wonder if that's what I wonder, if that's what's happened,
Like it meant to be three dollars or some shit.
And she just she's like, nobody's gonna be mad about
three dollars, but three hundred, like I got you got
to go to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Yeah, that's an OPRA draft feed for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Yeah. And on this up that's like, yeah, of course
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Depends on a credit card company. They'll be like, did
you make this purchase?

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
You know that. When he got off that zoom, he
said the most racist ship. He already was saying like,
you know, aggressive stuff to the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And then this is when she found out she was
going to jail with some sticky fingers.

Speaker 8 (01:45:22):
You have to write, we don't serve.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
She really tried to ask, surprise, man, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Up on her with cameras and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
It's not a it's not a good crime.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Also, cookies and crackers, what kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Like oatmeal cream piles.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Man. Okay, you got to do what you gotta do.
Keep Diddy off of you in there. Let's get to
the sword ratchetness. Uh And that's the last thing. So

(01:46:12):
I think it was last year maybe where we talked
about it. I think this happened overseas where a guy
like killed a school boy in northeast London. He just
like went on a rampage and he attempted to kill
like four other people. It was a twenty minute rampage,
but he did kill boy. And it was a little

(01:46:34):
black boy too. They got killed by this. Uh, I
guess white dude, it looks white anyway. So now they
got more details coming out because he was on trial.
He's on trial, and they said he smiled after slashing
a man in the neck like so like he cut
him and then did the anime smile ship.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Oh no, right, there's some other things happening here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Jersey shown CCTV of the first alleged
attack showed Monzall's great Ford transit mounting the pavement and
hitting the not to E Woula, a co Op security
guard on his way to work. Footage capture mister Woolay
screaming in agonies he was struck by the van before
it collided with a house. Manzaou was seen next to

(01:47:17):
the vehicle, walking after him while brandishing the sword.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Mister Woola said, I thought I was dying, he told
the cord. He tried to escape it to a nearby garden,
but was struck on his knee and face and shoulder
and knocked to the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
He said.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Manzo got out of the van, pulled out the sword
from a cover right in front of my face. I said,
I don't know you. I said it multiple times. He said,
I don't care. I'm going to kill you. Mister Woolay said.
He tried to defend himself raise his arms, but Monzo
swung the sword, catching him on the neck. I saw
blood coming out of my neck. I pressed my thumb
to not bleed out. I shot at God his Greatest
in Arabic because I'm Muslim. When that happened, he was

(01:47:51):
smiling like it was something he was happy about. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
They said, Mozoa became distracted.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
And that's when mister Woolay jumped over a fence escape. Later,
the dude was shouting at the school boy believed to
be Daniel, and he told him to go back inside.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
But I think that's the boy who got killed.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
And other information about the same guy, the same sword guy.
He's a flat earth conspiracy theorist and a fan of
Eli Musk. Oh no, and y'all wonder why we'll be
trying to tell y'all about these people.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Bro Listen, you get the swords out of your house. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
You don't know who walking around thinking the Earth is
flat and thinking that Elon Musk makes making sense out here.
The last thing you need is to have sharp instruments
around these people. They should never have access to that ship.
To cut him off as much as fast as you can, Okay, Brandon.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
I'm trying, man. I know Jessica his size. I try
to get those of his house every every time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
He's already starting with it. I can't enjoy movie shit.
Next thing you know, he's flat Earth. Keep tell everybody
where to come hang out with you and watch black
Drunk Black History.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Yes, folks, please come up to drunk Black History. I
have a June team show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn
on Thursday, June nineteen. Tickets are available for that show
at drum Black History dot com as well as if
you're in the Detroit area on Friday, June twentieth, I'll
be a the Detroit House of Comedy. Both shows have
incredible lineups. You can get tickets for them at Drunk
Black Hisstory dot com. Come out hang out with me.
Toddo will be at the shows to say Hi. You're

(01:49:26):
gonna learn a lot of incredible Black historical stories events.
You're gonna learn about some incredible contributions that our people did.
Every gonna have some jokes and some drinks while we
talk about it, and as always, can follow me at
proto Underscore Blackens on Instagram or official Drunk Black History
on Instagram as well. Make y'all always.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Man, always mass all love man and make y'all show
and tell Tati we send our love to us hard
out here.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
I saw today, before we got on the show, I
saw a Marie just file for divorce right right. I
don't know if it was the Tiny Desk concert, it
probably was.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
What it was just one thing and they've.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Been together for twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Wow, It's probably just one thing that had her tripping, all.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Right, y'all, we'll be back. What's wrong with y'all? Home
throughout the week until next time. I love you, I
love you too. Wow.

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