3157: You Can Always Get Angry Later

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Yes, and you know what, I man, this is kind
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it because you know I do love being right, even
when you know I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Anyway, here we go, yepy what was that? A? Yeah,
it was right? Brug was so.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Charlie Kirk got killed in front of a bunch of
white people in Utah or college campus, got assassinated by
what appears to be a person who was even more
right wing than Charlie Kirk and was in part of
this group of people that thought he wasn't right wing enough,
and he was a fan of like Nick Fuintes, who

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is like, you know, variantly racist, and I'd say, like
openly variantly racist, and I think Charlie Kirk was like
variantly racist in a more acceptable public way. He's not
going to say the N word in public, but absolutely
brings that energy. Anyway, they was all the left wing

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did this, blah blah blah what anyway they It turns
out there was some right on right und some white
supremacists on white supremacist ound.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Which is what most people thought. Well, no, that's what
I thought.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, you may have thought that, But I think the
general narrative was before they even knew who the shooter was,
it was we.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Need to tone down the rhetoric on the left and
the right.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Everybody's fault. Honestly, it's the Democrats. They shouldn't be calling
people NASEI.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Now, y'all, Now, y'all understand, Now you've got compassion word.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I actually saw Talking Point in USA. His organization posted
comedy has Consequences, and I said, oh, I'd love to
do a search for what y'all thought about Dave Chappelle's
anti trans jokes. I'm sure it was just jokes then,
But anyway, that's not my point.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
My point is this man dies. I think many of
us were not mourning.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Him, many of us keeping the same energy he kept
about us when he was alive. And I won't be
bullied in the having to pretend that this guy was
a good person. Just because he got killed, right, it
doesn't mean that anybody that we're celebrating his death, doesn't
mean we're co signed his death. Doesn't mean we're encouraging

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violence just uh, but we can be like, yeah, I don't,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
But Gavin Newsome, who we've talked about, he.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Did a podcast episode with Charlie Kirk a while ago,
you know, and that was before he made his pivot
to sassy, tweeting like, you know, I'm talking shit about
all y'all and one of the and I think this
is important. You know, some people are gonna trivialize it,

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but I think it's important because this is my point
about playing to Twitter, because he's been playing the Twitter for.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Over two months now.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I remember one of the things he got into
was talking shit about Steven Miller, who's rights a white
supremacist who's in charge of a lot of things in
the government.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right he's the advisor to Trump.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
And a lot of these racist policies on immigration and
law enforcement and stuff. It is literally him, it's his
blueprint project twenty twenty five shit. And so Gavin news
some talk shit about him on Twitter, you know, he's
fuck this guy, he's a cup you know, blah blah
blah whatever. That's why your wife fucking elon type shit.
And people was applauding it because they're like, oh, this is.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
What we need on the left when they' that nasty
talk that shit.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And and I was reticent at the time because I
was like, politicians playing that Twitter is a is a
losing game just because Twitter don't really vote. Twitter is
a silo, meaning they'll encourage you to say something that
doesn't play well with America but it plays well on Twitter. Meanwhile,
have these motherfuckers when it's time to vote for you

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are still going to be like, ah, you're not good enough,
So I don't. I never and it was it's not
a Gavin Knew something. I felt the same way when
it was ALC.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I'm not to say it with any of the consequences
of the ship that you say.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm consistent on this. I know people think it will work.
I don't believe it will. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm open
to being wrong. And the day that gavinknew Some takes office,
I'll be like, well, shit, I guess I was wrong.
You could play Twitter for three four years and and
if you play it right, you can we can win
the presidency.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
But I don't think you can. That's just my opinion anyway.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
So he posts about this after Newsom dies, saying that
it was reprehensible about it, I mean Kirk, Charlie Kirk,
Dow the attack on Charlie Kirk is discussing violent reprehensible
in the United States of America. We must reject political
violence in every form. You know, I don't think anything

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is really controversial, and in.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Your position, I could see you had not trying funny
you having to say a statement like that.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yet I don't agree. I don't even think that he's
wrong in that. I don't think that. I think that's
the tone that you would want a president or presidential
candidate they to set in America.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You don't want him celebrating it. Now.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Could he have just said nothing, Probably, But I'm sure
he's there in his mentions and there's some pressure on
him to say something. And once again he I believe
he had Charlie Kirk on his podcast, so like this
was Gavin Newsome's, like.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
This was his guy that he.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Would attempt to have a conversation to bridge this divide over.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Now, what's that conversation going to really be about.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I's gon to probably end up with Gavin Newsome doing
a lot of you know, well, you know, these trans
people are you know, kind of a problem and we
you know, we shouldn't really be fighting about that. But
Charlie Kirk is like, these trans people basically shouldn't exist.
They're mentally ill and blah blah. So I don't like
it because I don't think I can't trust the politician

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who will do that.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I don't think they should do that. I actually don't
think that's a way.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
No, I don't don't. I don't like it because somebody
like me, bitch, you planning my mother fucking face. Like like,
as far as I'm concerning, and like I said, I
don't have a problem with you having a podcast. I
don't have a problem with you out here trying trying
to be the pop star of Twitter. I don't have
a problem with that. The problem that I have is, bitch,
run shit, do motherfucking policies. I won't results. And you
pressing the you pressing the old mic and speaking into

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that thing and to these races and these white supremacists
instead of uh, going around your big ass state and
inviting Democrats, uh, on your big ass platform and say hey,
this is this is the senator of the governor or whatever,
or the mayor or whatever from this town. Their election

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is coming up. This is like like, like, do your
civic duty because other than that, you're wasting my mother
fucking time. Educate the public. That's also your job too.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah. So all of that to say, he caught.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hell on from the same people that have been enthusiastic
and very like impressed by his like trolling of the
of Trump and Republicans showing this, you know, even if
you want to just say fair, this rising above, you know,

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this isn't when they go low, I go to hell.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
This was a I go higher situation.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
It is.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
He's now taking a lot of flat for that.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And this is my point. This is what I'm saying
why I say I was right. You can't play Twitter
for four years. Like his strategy of I'm going to
navigate this for three to four years is you can
play it, but you're just gonna have to take some else.
We'll see how if he comes back bounces back. But
there's a lot of people he lost with this who
are like, well, then, what why are you even talking

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shit about Steven Miller? Like why so why Steven Miller's
policies are Charlie Kirk's policies.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Charlie kirks beliefs are Steven Miller's policies. There's like to us,
there's a zero sum game.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
You don't you don't play around with this, You don't
capitulate to this.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
You don't make it seem like.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
It's even right, because it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, Cause he says the best way to honor Charlie's
memory is to continue his work, engage with each other
across ideology through spirited discourse and a democracy ideas attested
through words and good faith debate, never through violence.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
But he didn't, so what are we talking about here?
Like like like that's the end of the discussion. Everything
he said was anti everything that you tell me that
you represent in the Democratic Party, Like this is a problem,
like like if you want to run for president in
the country on the Democratic side, will black folks vote
for you? And we've seen the things that he said,

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and particularly black women talking about how stupid we are,
and you think that we're we're gonna vote for you
you've got something else coming. And that's the thing. You
be doing shit and saying shit to tenalize and tast
these white people. But these white people ain't never gonna
vote for you. They never gonna come to your side
like never.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That's that's the thing I keep wondering is.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
And for those who think like he set the right tone,
he did the right thing, let's take a step back cynically,
as strategist, politically, can y'all tell me whose vote he
gained with this?

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Right?

Speaker 4 (20:30):
You?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Satisfying nobody?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I just would like to know for y'all that think
this is just the right thing to do. I think
the right thing to do is to stand up for
trans kids. But he don't do that. So now so
now we when it's trans kids.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
We political strategists, we savvy.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
But when it's actually like some real shit like this,
where I think is a moral stance as well, now
we're back to h Well, you know, I just gotta
say the right thing. There's not a right thing to
hear think they gained some votes. I don't think you
have Charlie Kirk sympathizers who are now Gavin Newsom open
to Gavin Newsom as President.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't think you. I don't think this is going
to work. Like I said, I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Maybe y'all see a change in these people out here,
but I've seen the people who are Kirk fans and
the things they're saying.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
They're not, Thank you, Gavin Newsome, they're not. You're right.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Discourse is the most important thing. That's not what they're doing.
And honestly, it was a sleight of hand with with
Charlie Kirk. Discourse was not.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
His point, m M.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Trolling was his point, right disguised as a conversation. But
this man never relented, gave an inch. It was a
dunking booth. It was essentially a man walking around with
a kick me signed on and someone finally did it.
And I don't applaud that, but I mean it's if
you don't look both ways on across the street, I'm like,
you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Hit by car eventually.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And that says a lot about the content economy, a
lot about what it takes to be an influencer. On
the right over there, and he's alone, Nick Foyenttaz Candae owns.
All of them are doing the similar things of just
being public assholes to people and being like, this is debate,
this is politics. Give me a trans person, I want

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to make them feel bad in their face. Give me
a black person. I want to say something racist, but
not on the N word. That's And there's people out there,
like Chris Pratt and others who privately were supporters and
fans of this guy, but his death being so public
it shocked them out of the privateness and now they're,
you know, openly being like, oh, bless his family, play

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for him as a father, as a Christian, which to
me is also a red flat because you're bringing up
father and a Christian because you don't want to bring
up what his beliefs are.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
You don't say like, you don't want.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
To say like I agree with his beliefs on black
people and on women and on trans people, and so
what you say is I don't always agree on everything,
but just pray for him. Well, what do you agree on?
Let's talk about it. Remember y'all wont open debate. What
happened to free speech? You know, y'all wire y'all trying
to get everybody fired that didn't like them, right, Like,
it's not free, The speech ain't free.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
No more. Now you're docsing people.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So yeah, it's kind of interesting what's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
But yeah, all that to say.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Apia, this idea that Gavin Newsom is going to even
be the candidate in three years, it's still a long
shot because it and it's not just him, I'd say
it of all the candidates. We're just such a far
way out and such an attention starve, short attention span economy.
I don't know that you stayed the focal point for

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this long, even if you're just doing a pale imitation
of Donald Trump on social media. I'm not even sure
that people there's a certain type person that think they
want that.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
On the left, I'm not sure they do.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I don't think they have the will power for it,
because the thing about Donald Trump and anyone else, they'll
stick by Donald Trump when he's wrong. Liberals are not
liberal progressive Democrat people will. Left leaning people will not
stick by Gavin Newsome through being wrong over and over
and over again, even if it's just once in a
while like this where he did two three good months

(24:09):
and now he had one moment of people being like man,
fuck you. A lot of these people don't come back.
They're not loyalists in the way of like, well that's
what he said, leave him alone. There's gonna be some
people like that. There's gonna be a lot a lot
of people that are also like, man, fuck him, Man
fuck you. Whether you think it's fair or not, that
is the side that he's navigating.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yes, And it's also one of the things, like you say,
it's a long time away, And so for me, maybe
because I've been through enough elections and things like this,
I don't care until they start getting on TV debating,
we starting arrow on the field down like, let me
know when it's time for me to cast my vote
in North Carolina. Like, I've gotten to the point, and

(24:53):
I don't want to sound meaning the crew, but I've
gotten to the point that everything else prior to me
casting my vote is fucking pointless. I mean, I hate
to be like this, it's mother fucking pointless. I'm listening,
I'm paying attention, but all the podcasts and being online
and I don't give a fuck. Let me vote, make
a decision and then we can move on. Like like,

(25:14):
everything prior to that is a waste of time. But
I know a lot of people, like I said, you
have political junkies's day jam like like like this is
their shit. I get it. I'm not that person because
to me, it is exhausting, it's tiring, It gives you anxiety,
it makes you mad, it makes you upset, it sends
you down. All these fucking roller coaster rides that's happening

(25:35):
while you're seeing the world motherfucking burn while instead of
people stand up for that, you rather talk about shit
that don't fucking matter or not or that's not going
to matter for a fucking few years. Nobody knows who
any of these He might not even throw his hat
in the ring. Nobody knows what's gonna happen in the
next few years. So until it's time to narrow this
bullshit down. And maybe this is just me and how

(25:56):
I feel. All these people that claim they wanted all
this diversity, We're gonna see how diverse this field gonna be.
We we gonna see how many white men we gonna have.
We gonna see how many lgbtq's gonna throw their hats,
hats and the rings this time. This is gonna be
some white, stale ass motherfucking wonderweek bread. We getting ready

(26:17):
to fucking get and everybody gonna complain and be mad.
But you know what, the populist told them. That's what
we've wont it because we did not vote for Kamala Harris.
We told them that. So what what do you expect
them to do when when when the public rejects diversity?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, I think it's interesting because that's three years from now,
and I feel the same way about that that I
feel about Gavin Newsom. I don't know what the fuck
people gonna be on in three years, Karen. I don't
feel comfort like maybe diversity will be back.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Shit is gonna keep getting worse, is my point. So
like all the predictions that we have, I don't know.
That's why I'm not playing the game of this candidate
is in the lead right now.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
This one is the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Three years from now, people might be like, fucking man,
Kamala Harris, it's been so bad, she was right about everything.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't know whether we was tripping.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Three years from now, they might be it's gotta be
Joe Biden again.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I really don't know. I truly do not know.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
And I also, as you kind of pointed out in
the and I don't mean this in that.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I don't care about humanity or politics. I won't be
following it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean I don't care whoever it is. That's not
Trump I'm voting for, agreed, And it's not me.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
That needs to get with it. It's everyone else.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Right, everybody else has excuses.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Do you remember that Donald Trump didn't even participate in
the Republican candidate show and was the candidate in the end? Anyway,
I do remember that didn't even do the primary debates.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
We don't know what will happen in three years.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Maybe the aliens I'm awaiting anyway will come and cancel
the election and start a mighty alien mothers president in
this case long lived the next president a bunch of numbers.
As least this way we will have the first American
female president.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Ramsey D.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Jinging says five stars because of the world feel with
disinformation lies in Boomboo Ride and a lot of community
to have fun to laugh at the bullshit shoe Boody says,
thanks for the community you've curated. It really matters and
makes a difference. There's a distinction between needing to be
in an echo chamber of like minded folks and hearing
voices of kindness, humor, and intelligence speaking truth to what
is actually happening all around us, and y'all continue to

(28:16):
be a touch point of staying grounded in this wild world.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
That means a lot to me, and especially because I
don't think, I mean, obviously, anything you listen to all
the time with the same people become somewhat of an
echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like I'm not fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I know that certain opinions y'all can mostly depend on
us to share.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I think through being.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Transparent about how we arrived here, I think through being
open minded to considering other things, and through y'all's feedback,
I feel like we do a pretty good job of
at least staying on point or being considerate of things.
And I think one of the sad parts about, you know,
the Charlie Kirk community and the people around it, it's

(29:00):
how closed minded they are, you know, how just you know,
and it's not just him as all that conservative talk.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's just so closed minded.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
You know, you have decided vaccines aren't good because you
just feel that way, right, and it's never gonna be
any evidence or anything that will change your mind. Because
you just decided it's vibes, it's feelings. Even this idea
that Charlie Kirk has was a great person who you know,
was a beautiful Christian in the MLK at the right.
It's just closed mindedness masquerading as some sort of altruism.

(29:30):
But it's just closed mindedness. You decided because you like
this man. Nothing the fucked up that he said or
did counts nothing. So yeah, anyway, I'm glad that this
space isn't necessarily like those spaces, And you know, sometimes
I'm shit. I'm sure there's a lot of times people
disagree with us about all kinds of things. I actually
appreciate the amount of you who stopped writing in to

(29:51):
be like, I don't always agree, because honestly, who the
fuck would ever agree with anybody for twenty hours a week?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Not right, nobody.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, so that doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I appreciate y'all just accepting that this is a
space where, uh, these are our opinions. We don't know everything,
we don't pretend to know everything, but what we do
know we be knowing. Okay, I'm just saying a few
of us are in discord where I make sure to
note the books you mentioned on the show's open all
fans of the show.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So I'd just like to put.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
The link here for anyone interested, and it's the discord link.
I'll put the link in the in the crowdcast chat
as well.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I'll try to remember put in the show notes matter factlink.
Pull up my my document which I should already have
open for this show. Well, let me pull that up.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, discord link so people can look in this particular
episode show notes and if they would like to sign
up for the discord, they can go do that, because
I'm sure it's separate. Yeah, I'm sure you guys are
participating in that, and yet just understand it ain't you,
it's me. I'm not in the discord, so and it's not. Yeah,

(30:58):
it's nothing personal or whatever. I personally know my boundaries
and I can't. I don't want to be in there
when we do have an episode that somebody don't like
and now I got to read all the comments.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, and it's better than this fan ran anyway.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, So just letting y'all know. In case y'all like
I don't see Rodey caron here, that's.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Why, right, And you will not I need.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I do not want.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
To be the most accessible nigga on the planet. I
would like to have some moments.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Where it's just me.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Ain't that the truth?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Dale Marvin says, just wanted to thank y'all for the
wonderful remembrance of my friend Quoqui, my friend Koquie. I
know she would have enjoyed hearing the con words and
genuine feelings. Thank you both for creating such a wonderful
community that brings so many people together to laugh, cry,
get our lives to Karen going off and get mad
at missing the obvious context clues and gets the race.
You all are a bright spot in a very dark

(31:45):
time in a very dark place. Thank you, love piece
and soul to the Black Autips Nation. Thanks Dale Marvin,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah. And a few people hit me.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Up privately too, and like direct messages or emails that
they didn't mean for us to read on the show,
and I try to reply, know, I replied to everybody
and stuff and uh, yeah, man, touched a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
She left uh memories.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Uh with with a lot of us for good and
yeah man, it's just you know, she'll be missed, and uh,
I think this community and the twelve community and a
lot of places that she touched. You know, the reason

(32:28):
you miss her is because she was such a beacon
of light and such a fun person and an understanding
person that also had like principles and was upfront with it.
And she was an educator you know period.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
You know, like like I said, man, she she was
just an awesome person. And uh yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
We at least have a space to to more her together,
you know, as as as a community. Eve E says,
I was so sad to learn of the passing the Koche.
I only knew her through this podcast, but I remember
her COVID episode a couple other episodes she was on.
I remember interacting with her in the chat room a
few times. She was intelligent and seemed really sweet and funny.

(33:07):
She touched so many people.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Sean says, goodbye, quoke we koch Wee you are miss.
Keith says, I guess there's kind of an online community
that exists parallel to or predates the blackout tips. And
because my Twitter feed was curated for black American centric
democratic politics, I followed it was mutuals with some people
who were the Blackout tips listeners before I discovered the
podcast itself. Koch Wee was one of those people. So

(33:32):
when you said she was a literal day one, I thought, ah, yeah,
that checks out.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
She had a really.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Sharp mind, and at some point during Pete COVID time,
she saw one of my tweets where I was venting
about so many people falling from misinformation and just plain
old bullshit with regard to the vaccines and the virus itself.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
How we ended up with rfk Jr.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
And she DMed me to offer advice on things to
show skeptics and the people I was venting about. My
thought was, there's no way this is actually going to
help me get through to them, because the issue isn't
a lack of credible and information. But I also thought
it was very admirable that she chose to spend her
energy this way and hadn't given into cynicism. Yeah, man,
I mean she was a scientist.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
You're right. So she was like, what I'm not gonna
do is let y'all do this bullshit. This this is
what I have to do, because you know, she would say,
like some of the stuff that she worked with, she
was like, this shit is really really scary, y'all, Like
he like, this is not a game.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
And she also wasn't about giving up, right, you know.
That's why you know, like it's that thing where maybe
it was James Bonder, I can't remember who said it,
but somebody was like asking this person who was talking
about how fucked up race and all this shit is
in America can be.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
And I was like, have you given up hope? And
a person was like, every day I wake up, So
every day I wake up, I have hope.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
As long as I continue to do that, I'm gonna
have hope. And I think that's kind of the thing,
you know. I think that's why she was on my
ass with that Metal vote shit, because she was like,
this sounds like you're giving up something, right, And the
other side never stops the intensity of their fight, even
when it's quiet, even when it's private. They are relentless,

(35:09):
as you just said. And I think that message was
so important and I'll take it to the day I die,
because that is she's right. You don't give up, you
don't show weakness, you don't fold. I'd rather look like
an example of that than the more popular thing, which is,
you know, banging on the Democrats, not holding Republicans to

(35:33):
any real standards, you know, always looking towards the perfect,
as if that is attainable, while the better is somehow
not even wanted. Right that that is something she taught me.
And like I said, I've been embracing that for years
and I can't ever see that changing for me.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Agreed. And also I think for me when people go
match their energy, I really truly do believe this. If
you are willing to wait fifty years to reach your goal,
so am I. If you are willing to do whatever
it takes to take your country back, so am I.

(36:15):
I lift it to bitch. If you want to say
that you're angry, I'm mad too. Why do I have
to be quiet? Why? Why is only the Republicans anger
the only valid anger that that matters. Why they're feelings
the only feelings that matter, and anybody else's. I'm supposed

(36:35):
to be quiet. I'm supposed to be walked over. I'm
supposed to shut the fuck up. I'm not supposed to
have any feelings. I'm supposed to say what they do
when it's okay. I'm supposed to go talking violence. I'm
supposed to, you know, just act like this shit that
I'm seeing does not matter the hell I will. They're
the ones out here spouting all this bullshit. They're the

(36:56):
ones out here that want the fear. That's like, that's
what they want. They want you to be quiet. They
want you to give up hope. They want you to
think it's hopeless. They want you to think that there's
nothing else you can do, while the whole time they
are fleecing you for all the power that you have.
And I'm like, bitch, you will not. And so I
realized that for me and on this platform, I will

(37:19):
fight for the for the people that can't fight. I
will fight for the people that have to work eight
jobs and over time and and uber and all that
shit to go. I can't get off work to go vote.
I will fight for your behalf. I will vote on
your behalf. But you know, and things like that, because
I am I have the luxury and I have the
ability to because every time you raise your voice and
you say something, you're not only speaking for yourself or

(37:42):
your family and your friends and your loved ones. You're
speak You're speaking for the voiceless. People don't realize that
when I say I'm mad and I'm angry. There are
other people that are much worse situations than me, that
are being much more heavily impacted by the bullshit that
get ready to come, that will drown way before I will.
And so so I'm like, no, I don't I don't
want to drown, and I don't want them to drown either.

(38:04):
So as relentless as they are, I'm going to be
just just relentless.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I just think, yeah, we have to stay that way,
you know, we have to. And I think it doesn't
mean you don't criticize. It doesn't mean you don't, you know,
try to push for more change. It's just but this
idea of giving up is so intrinsic to the left
that like they just want to go home so bad

(38:29):
when it just isn't going right, you know, when you're
down in the in the in the in the in
the first quarter, they're like, what's the point of the
rest of the game. And they think that's a function
of the politicians. They think that's a function of a
bunch of other shit that's not but internally it's.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
That's the real truth.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Your power comes internally, It comes from you refusing yes.
And I think that's the lesson that I believe people
on the left, not the politicians people people on the
left refuse to take.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
They refused to see that.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
The real lesson of even what's having with Charlie Kirk,
this is a lesson to be learned here. They are
refusing to acknowledge what this man was because the myth
and the narrative and the live of what he was
is much more powerful. Myth in the life of who
killed him is more powerful than the truth. For them,

(39:21):
they were they before they found out who killed him,
they were like, it's war with the transgender people. Did
this liberal ideology, dig it up shit, leftists did this,
we're gonna fight back when we're there's gonna be more violence.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You fucked with the wrong people. And then they found
out it was one of them.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
A kid that was raised Republicans, parents were Republican, only
went to college for one semester remote, not even in person,
in Utah or whatever, like you know, white people like territory,
and turned out to be even more hard right than
Charlie Kirk was thought Charlie Kirk was too soft. They

(39:59):
have not said, well, now let's have a conversation. What
they did is go, we need peace. So they did
switch because now they don't want to go to war
with the other right or right wing people.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
They would like to recruit them.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
But most importantly, if you go to Fox News, are
still saying left wing people kill Charlie Kirk, of course,
because and that's the lesson. I'm not saying the liar
is the lesson. The lesson on the left is why
the fuck are we ever giving in as if there's
some sort of well intentioned good exchange that's happening of ideas.

(40:32):
It's what I don't like about Gaven Newsom having Charlie
Kirk on agree.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's what I don't like about it.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's because it pretends to act like there is some
sort of good faith, and that's what they rely on.
That's how the scorpion gets on your back across the bridge.
It depends on you accepting a.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Bit of the lie. No, Charlie Kirk's a good gun.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
It's very important to know how he rose to prominence
and he genuinely believes these things, and maybe we can
have an exchange of ideas that we can find a
middle ground on that. That's part of That's how they
start getting you. But the truth is what's gonna take
I believe to get through this shit is some level
of like refusal. It's it's honestly and this like I know, people,
this is one of those roy your eyes ones. Well,

(41:12):
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I truly believe this.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's Joe Biden studying it. That them debating. That's going y'all.
I don't care, Yes, yes, I don't care. Yes, like
I get that you care, that that bothers you. And
I mean I'm on record, Karen's on record. We said
this a million times and not just bringing it up
just to bring it up. I don't want to do
with you.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
But that's the example. Right, you already know how we feel,
so I want to elaborate more, but just.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Right, it's like you said, it's it's going to take
a turnover at a crucial moment in the ball game,
and people don't throw up their hands and pack their
bags and go home like like.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Like Donald Trump was just literally in public with half
his face drooping. Yes, these are photos from the APDs,
were Gatty's photos, These were not doctor AI photos. And
his half his face was drooping like he had had
a stroke or that Gillion Barr syndrome or whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Right, You know what I saw, zero of calls are
in the resign.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Calls them and step down incompetent handed to JD Van
where you at podcast?

Speaker 6 (42:11):
What?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I didn't see a single call for you know, no
one's interviewing sources deep inside the to to get anonymous quotes.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
None of that.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Pablo Toy is not on the case. Pablo hop on
this man.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
We need this nobody like.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
No one wants to.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
It's not even a thing to be considered right, And
that's my point because this is how you went.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Motherfuckers don't want to accept that on our side, But
that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
The truth is you look at Joe Biden fall off
his bike and go, I don't know, still breathing funk
out of here, right.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
See you and November bitch. You know it's so we'll
run two corpses against each other we have to.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But I'm not backing down. That's the relentless that they
have over there.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yes, yes they do. And is one of the things
for me is like I say, I'm going to match
your energy. I'm gonna have that same relentlessness. You know,
I don't need a perfect candidate. I don't need somebody
that's gonna check off all of my boxes. I just
need for you to care, and I need for you

(43:19):
to be out here advocating on other people's behalf like
like like that's your job to do that. And that's
what I voted for, you know. And the thing is
most people vote selfishly, which I do too, because if
you say brown people in this country, you say this country.
And that's very hard for these for people in this
country to understand. Because if the black and brown people

(43:43):
are are are able to survive, everybody's able to survive.
If we're healthy and striving and out here going and
having our own business. You know what the ell so
benefiting them farmers out there just getting ready to lose
their land, you know who also is benefiting them places
out there and tim but fucking know where they're also
benefiting their hospitals wouldn't be shutting down and shit like this,
Like we all benefit from this and we all need

(44:06):
each other. So I'm voting for not only for my
best interest for the but for the best interest of
the country. And so just like they think that they're
voting for the best interests of the country. Bitch, I
do too. I want to be able to say I
want to take a marrior, I want to take my
country back, you know. I want to be able to
be proud to be an Americans. You looking around and
you're going to fuck y'all doing the rest of the

(44:26):
world think were a goddamn laughing stock.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
She was a good egg and it's sad she's no
longer with us because the world needs more people with
that mindset.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Thank you, Keith.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Appreciate the comments on YouTube. We got how many comments
on this episode?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Nineteen? Wow?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Okay, nineteen comments on this episode on YouTube. Let's see
what up can folks? Saint Louis and this bitch is
so depressing here. I'm glad the black out tips is on.
Thank you provocative. Af V Nell says, always enjoyed watching
the show. Keep up the good work. New Shoot four
times eight says, thank you for actually reading my comment
on the air.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
It was a first for me. No problem. Happy anniversary.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Thank you doctor or doctor d r Agan or doctor Egan.
Dark Namber says on Liam Niese and I caught your
inside joke. Thanks Doc Namba. It's always interesting when people
write in and explain my own inside my joke to
me and be like, I think that's what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, bro, there's a hype button that we can push.
It gives y'all a thousand points every time I push
it. It helps y'all in the rankings on the podcast one
to one hundred. So hit the hype button when you
see it.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Oh okay, I don't see the hype but at least
I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well, you're not on YouTube right now watching us, so
how would you see it?

Speaker 3 (45:45):
That's true too, So this is only YouTube.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Ramsey pah Done says you can only use the hype
button via your cell phone, So you got to watch
the YouTube on your cell phone that hit the hype
button for.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Y'all that watch us via YouTube.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Provocative AF says bars spit that ship about Commlin dnc Rod.
That's really bruh. Way to break it down, one hundred,
one hundred, thanks buddy. Kim Doc says I love the
new paid new money l O L. That's all Tom
feedback staple, Oh new pay new money Okay, Oh you're
talking about when I say the thing that changes every week? Yes,

(46:21):
uh uh Kim Docs has recipes to coch wey Negro.
Uh yeah yeah she was put spelling, but you know
the heart we get it, sending comforting energy to their family. Wow,
rest in power, cooch we hearst to hear, I too
have been listening for a long time, says Yo she
w p a z hy or I I too have

(46:41):
been listening for a long time. Back when Rod was
a Rod was a cubical Negro calling in the twelve Negro.
That's what Eli used to call me, which is like,
how the fuck did this guy have a job, which
is how I found a blackout Tips Cochey Negro was
one of those chat room voices like June from Harlem
Yes eight Big nit Ju LP, Professor l H so

(47:03):
many others have kept me laughing and educated over the years.
Grateful to have beene heard her voice and thank you
guys for making that happen. Sure this is our parasocial
and whatnight, but it does matter, Nah, absolutely, And I
think it's interesting because I because to protect my own
mental well being, my brain does a trick where when

(47:25):
you guys write in it like the next week, it
resists a zero.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
So I never expect to.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Hear from anyone, because I'm just trying to protect my
brain so it won't feel like hurt or abandoned or
lonely or sad whenever y'all don't write in, or whenever.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
You move on from the show, like which is totally
You're right.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
We've all listened to all kinds of things and watched things,
and sometimes you just move on, right, And so I
think my brain does that to protect itself so that
I'm not constantly like nobody.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
My brain recessed like every episode of The American Day
and The Family Guy.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
But yes, sometimes with moments like these, you know, some
of our live events, like places we get to see people,
sometimes you can't step back and think about it, and
it's like, yes, man, it's really been dope to be
able to have all these people that fucked with the
show for however long they fucked with it. And and yeah,
going all the way back to before we had.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
A show, Yeah, it used to be known as Roddy
and Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Hugh says, great feedback show.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Kim Doc says, apparently I can't hype y'all up again
on YouTube since it's three per week limit.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
For the for the okay, the hype button.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, Karen says, I keep sending my hype points see
you my hype points add up, but literally had no
idea what it was for.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I've just been ignored the notice.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Damien says, true friendships thriving to face a conflict. Shout
out to all those that would tell you you're wrong
because they love you.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. I think that's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And it's and it's it's not the same as the like,
asshole old people who are like, I'm your friend because
I say mean things to you because I just had
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I could be honest or I could be lying.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And it's like, no, no, honesty doesn't have to be
brutal in me. No it doesn't because I feel like
I'm honest with all the friends and relationships in my
life and I don't feel like I have to come
up there and cuss them out.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I ain't that the truth.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
So you know, same thing with our podcast feedback is
allowed talk.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
To me, nice, talk to me, nice, talk to me.
You won't respect I won't respect.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
To yeah, so like, but but like that was the thing,
KOCHI never like, there's so many, man, there are so
many people that when they don't like something or they
disagree with something on the show or somewhere in life.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm quitting the show. I'll never listen again.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Fuck you, you're terrible, you're trash, You're never being funny.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
It's like that's friends the worst enemy.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
They ain't nothing between, and especially something where people are
adamant they thought about it. I was adamant about that
man the vote shit, I was like, I thought about this,
this is a through line that is logical and reasonable,
and it fits with the moment.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And no, she talking to me out of that shit,
and she was right.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
And the thing is like, it does help to have
a person that will admit when they're wrong. But yes,
even if I would have never admitted I was wrong,
it wasn't that. She never put it as like this
is the this is like an ultimatum, right. It was
just like, I'm just trying to give you some game.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Young but I'm playing the seed and we'll see where
it goes.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, I'm just trying to tell you, as as as
a big sister in this situation, this ain't it.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
And she was right, it wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
But yeah, I appreciate Honestly, that was when I started
being like, Ohka was really cool. It was before that
she was cool and supportive, and that's nice and I
love support. But it was that moment that I was like, no,
that's fair, and I actually appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Sticking to your guns.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Right, Damien says twenty three years of black love is
such a beautiful thing. You guys remind me of that
one photo of Lebron and d Wade.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Karen carelessly throwing up a subject because she knows she
can depend on you Rod for a fantastic, high flying finish.
Put that on the shirt.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Ain't that I knew? I knew? I just fit saying
shit sometimes that's hilarious. That in the shirts with the tanks.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, you need to commission both of those. That d
Way Aliu's shirt.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
That's a pretty good that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Red Lotus Diva says rest in Power cocal Negar. I
remember her from Twip listening to Molecules a couple of times.
Yet she had a shell called molecules, and shit, she
was a ridiculously smart woman in the kind of spirit.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Agreed, man, agreed, all right? The pole the poe.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Was should ride and Karen keep responding to commenters who
disliked their dynamic.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
This is an interesting result.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Okay, eighty three percent said no, seventeen percent said yes,
And I wonder if that yes, it's more of a
we like when you go off and defend it and
really get into the minutia of the show, and like
our relationship and how we talk to each other. Whether
they I mean, some may even agree with these people,

(52:13):
but I would imagine that seventeen percent is more like
we like the navel gazing of the show, discussing and
defending yourself.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And I can see that I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Like there's podcasts I listen to where they get an
unfair criticism and my ears perk up because I'm.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Like, oh, they want to go in on this motherfucker.
I can see, y'all.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I think, just for my own mental whatever, I would
prefer not to even encourage these motherfuckers by responding, because
I think what they're doing is so we've addressed it
so many times. I can't imagine that there's a thing
that is going to change for them or us. Like
I can't imagine being like, oh, you know what, nah,

(52:53):
I do see it. You're right, I do hate my wife.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
What the fuck? I hate hurt this whole. I don't
want to avoid what's crazy. I was like, shut up
inside here?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Then why am I even?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I want to do the show completely by myself only
talking for two hours?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
When you called the black eye hoo TEMs bitch, why
are you here?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Don't really put me onto something today? All right, y'all?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Speaking of which, we got a new beat from DJ
Joffe that we're gonna play for this break.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yay stuffing black Yes, coming here along.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Your guess what you've seen.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I was a little living out, that's it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yes, absolutely, it's funny, right, all right, all right, that
took a little long to start. Next time, I'm skip

(54:03):
thirty seconds in because I like when the drums did it.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
But thank you DJ jof Beat.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Episode thirty one fifty five, Be Well Cis Well we
had Cassandra Dunbar Professor Cassandra Dunbar on the host of
the b Well cis podcast. We got four comments on
our website. Let's check them out. I just says, great guests.
After I understood what therapy was, I enjoyed it a lot.
I had one therapist because luckily the first one was
a great fit for me. I liked her and respect

(54:30):
to her. I went for depression prevention and to work
on catastrophic thinking. During the therapy, I came to work
on emotional eating, and I don't do it anymore. I
learned to use other tools for the intertention I used
to ease with emotional eating. Also, I was always it
was always great to tell her something that I thought
was a catastrophe. Catastrophe and her not being impressed or

(54:50):
at all, or yelling this is the worst thing I've
ever heard of my life, and running away. She didn't
even run away once during our sessions. I'm not on
social media a lot. I just I must. I cut
way back. I realized that it made my mood go down,
because of course it wants me to be angry all
the time. It really do like it's crazy. I feel
like I could do an experiment on this show. Right now,

(55:13):
I'm logging into my Twitter. I'm looking at the for
you page.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
And seeing like the completely off that page.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I know I hear you, but I'm just I'm trying
to make a point about what, like what it would
show me.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I just want to see what it's going to show me.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
It's Ben Simmons, apparently, and everyone's mad at Ben Simmons
because he's possibly retiring at twenty nine and he rejected
a contract from the Knicks and everyone knows he's not
good anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
He refused to work on his jump shot.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
So that's like a specific basketball type of anger for
me to be like, what the fuck fuck being Simmons.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Let's see Rihan Wilson.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Oh, well, that's an ign I do follow them.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Let's see. I don't even know what this one is.
It's like a lot of right.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Now, I must be listening. Mind's a boy the country
road demon slayer.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Not in theaters you've trained yours?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Oh my mind is mine? Is like kid is showing
how how gently they all around.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Baby Charlie Kirk shooting. Let's see Charlie Kirk shooting.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Charlie Kirk shooting Tyreek Hill, which is another touch point
of anger for sports people. Y'a also just got accused
of domestic bones pose ex wife. Anyway, My point is
like a picture, and especially the ones I don't follow,
that is showing me like this guy if a democrat
was assassinated, because you imagine what he what would be

(56:35):
going on right now, And it's a guy replying to that,
and it's a screenshot of that and someone going this
facts point is I'm supposed to see that retweet it
right wait, it's just it's I'm repeating it out of anger,
like yeah, that's how I'm supposed retweet it anyway. That
is a quick experiment. Also, it was always great telling something, okay. Yeah,

(56:56):
she says, being here is probably the most Internet thing
I do.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I fe'll come hang out in the chat and everything
sometimes and it's good. I love the community here and
it feels safe. I will never forget how I was
once targeted and people all were so nice and supportive
to me here.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's a great community. That was a cool moment. Yeah,
I remember that person left that voicemail or something.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
We never in from them again, did we once?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Again?

Speaker 3 (57:20):
That's one of them things. And y'all wonder why. I'm like, y'all,
y'all don't ever come back. You don't ever explain yourself.
You just come open the door, throw a goddamn grenade,
shut the dough and then leave and don't care nothing
about the aftermath that you calls.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
That's one reason why I just ignore you.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
They just throw a fucking grenade in the room they like.
I think I could get with the idea of.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Someone like having criticisms of the show that was like, uh,
you know, involved listener or or a person that has
some level of relationship or they will be back, or somebody.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Some of the engagement.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, or just even if just like one out of
ten times somebody came back, was like, oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I didn't know that. Zero they never come back.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You're right, I don't even remember that person that talks
about appya coming back. As far as I know, they've
never listened to the show again. Right, we don't like
or they only chime in with something negative.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Who knows? Evie says enjoyed the guests.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I reminded how important community is and how we need
to lean on each other these days ahead. One good
thing for me is that I've been reconnecting with old
friends and family I haven't talked to in a while.
Times like these make you realize what and who is
really important in your life.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Oh, absolutely for show.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Speaking of the nosy neighbor, they can be irritating or
a blessing us sometimes a little of both.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I literally live next door to a Karen Well, that's
actually her name.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
The downside of being her next door neighbor is that
she's in everybody's business and will talk your ear off.
But the upside is she's in everybody's business. She knows
all the neighborhood gossip. If I want to know the
latest neighborhood yeah, I asked her, because she be knowing.
Maybe it's the name Karen, because they all seem to
be knowing. Karens do be knowing.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
That's a good point. I heard. They even have their
own song the Yeah. Now, why is it not showing?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Isn't that show? Oh?

Speaker 4 (59:09):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I was right about something.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Damn this should be a shirt too. God, I'm getting
all these shirt ideas today. All right, all right, let's
get to the next comment. Shoe Boody Professor Dunbar was
such a lovely guest. I'm going to have to go
check out her podcast because her vibe is just one
hundred percent on point without any toxic positivity. Yeah, man,

(59:52):
And I've listened to her show since, you know a
few times since uh, her people contacted us about her
being out here. Because I always try to do my
due diligence, and yeah, I like the vibe, man, I
really do. My social media has been cut down so
much and I only focus on engaging with things that
actually feed my well being. Staying mad all the time
doesn't serve me. The news in the world is burning,

(01:00:14):
but I don't have to read the comments section about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
The simple act of being outside helps a lot. I've
seen some folks referring to their little walks as land snorkeling,
where they just walk around and look at things, especially
stud of their environment. Is cute.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I be on a mission, like I try to
stay walking, but like then I take like maybe a
ten minute break halfway through and then turn around. But yeah,
every once in a while, I'll do some like oh,
let me go look at these fish.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
You know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Birds and stuff. We see some stalks and stuff and
I'm storks. I'm sorry, you know, oh the blue hair, yeah, okay, yeah,
with the legs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Oh, don't get that name wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
My mad I didn't know what kind of storm not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
For you, because some asshole on Twitter when I was like, oh,
what kind of bird is this, They're like, you don't know,
blue handing. It's like, suck my dick. Of course, I
don't know. Why the fuck would I be asking Twitter.
I must have missed bird class that day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I missed that class about the murder.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You can't just know something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But I'm being a dick about it, right, you know?
Do you know what comment works just as well? It's
a blue hair.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
That works just as well as without the condescension.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Sean said, it's great guests and I always great to
hear about other podcasts about the Poe. The Poe was,
do you think social media has affected your mental health?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
About the Pole?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I've been off social media for almost a year and
I don't miss it. I stay connected and interact with
people I actually know, but I don't look at fees
or anything like that. Spending an hour on Instagram reels
and feeling like it would have been more satisfying to
have spent that time staring at a wall, I realized
it wasn't for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I don't think I will ever go back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I can't blame you, I like really, and I think
for me, the bigger issue is not just that our
algorithm are making us mad. It's when I realized how
much of our algorithms were so specifically tailored to each
of us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yes, everybody's getting a completely different experience.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
And that's not That is not how it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
No, it used to be very collective. Are It's very important.
It's just very important.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It's very important, this distinction because there was a time
where I could get off of Twitter. And our brain
has not adjusted, by the way, But there was a
time where I could get off of Twitter and say
that experience that I had was most of what other
people were having, and whatever happened, there was a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
More universal experience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
So there was a time when the trending topic was
just the trend whatever people were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yes, and then it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Started being curated and pushed and oh, you have this
political ideology, Let's show you some people you agree with.
Let's show you some people you disagree with. Let's show
some people fighting. And it's gotten so specific. Now goes
on hers and it's anime. I go online, it's sports
and politics.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Someone else here goes on theres. It's gonna be fool like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And but our brains not having truly adapted to this.
When we talk to each other, we all talk like
we're seeing the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Still.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and we're not. And I noticed this with my friends,
and these are my friends, These aren't assholes. These are
people I love dearly, and they're saying like man, every Like.
I saw one that was like, man, all these black
people going up for Charlie Kirk, and I was like
what I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Did not see that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I'm like, what, what? What?

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Black people are not going up for Charlie Kirk. And
it's like a couple of screenshots of a couple of people.
One of them turned out to be like a crazy
black lady who's like a maga troll like conservative person,
so she ain't nobody right. Another one was just somebody
with no followers, no retweets, but that's what their algorithm
showed them, which makes you think your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Oh my god, black people love Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
He was rasist, No, black people don't love Charlie Kirk,
but my and my algorithm ain't showing me that. My
algorithm is like black people love Drake whatever would make
me mad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I don't know black people love sugar grits. What the
fuck they but they know that'll get me to stop
scrolling anyway. That's hilarious YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
We had a couple of comment ten comments, all right,
let's see what we got here, and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Na's heart emojis.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
My mom says a very good and interesting conversation about
mental health and to impact the Internet on society.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Thank you, mom. Vesta says very good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Ramsey pH Done says five stars plus the hype button
on my phone for this episode. I would definitely add
doctor Cassandra to my Spotify list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Be well, Cis.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
This is from Cassandra herself under her podcast you Know Channel.
Thanks for having me. I had a ball chatting with you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
With y'all. We gotta do lunch slas dinner sometime soon.
Smile emoji. All right, let us know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Uh mail Lean says you have the greatest talent, responding
to Cassandra, the ability to just listen. You didn't talk
a lot in this podcast, but when you did, it
was a soothing, effective presence.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You could all we could all learn from.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
This myself, mainly why you read yourself. Cassandra said, oh
my god, what a beautiful compliment. Thank you, and then
uh Meelen responded back, well, it's a very real observation
in Jordan, and you know what, she is right, because
I felt a little like, man, I hope we're not
doing too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Much talking, because we were very You know, Karen, you've
just been killing it with the interviews lately.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
You've been really on your grind, you've been aggressive, You're
jumping in with your questions much better. Yeah, And you know,
I've always encouraged that, and I'm adjusting to it as
because I never know when it's gonna happen in real time,
so I always prepare, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
And sometimes I might ask a question that you might
already have written.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I don't care something, okay, but I have to The
main thing is I have to adjust the rhythm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It's like double dutch, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Sometimes you're doing double dutch, and maybe that person gonna
jump in, maybe they don't, And I'm looking over to
the side, like is she jumping in? But you've been
jumping in lately, and it's gonna get better and better
as we have more guests and you ask more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
But you know, part of it makes me think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Like, oh wait now, is the combination of me and
Karen talking a lot making the guests not talk or
the guests feeling that come. But every every time I
felt that way, she would chime in, with something. I'm like, Oh,
she's listening, she's taking it in, she's contributing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
The still said that when people talk, they kind of
just soak stuff in there, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, So I really did appreciate Cassandra as a guest.
We'll definitely have to have her back when we can
just do some fun pop cultures and games and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yes, but yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
She was a great guest and and I like that
she didn't mind that we had opinions and stuff like.
It wasn't like an argument. It was like, Okay, I
hear your perspective. What about this perspective? And you know
we're thinking ass overthinking ass podcasts, And so she was
fitting right in. Yes, none of your bi says. For disclosure,
I didn't listen to the for Tabitha Brown message to entrepreneurs.

(01:07:10):
After listening to black Out Tels, I read an article
written on the Grill and watched the video clips share
at her site at their site, her spoken message was
on point, However, she didn't recognize a large majority of
people are simply financially ignorant.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
They don't know what they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
She would have served herself better had she spoken about
gaining financial literacy rather than focusing on entrepreneurship and employment.
I'm gonna tell you something, Biz, I hear what you're saying,
and I think a lot of this is a function
of like us not having the audience of a Tabitha Brown.
So like you, right, you're not a content creator who
does what she does. But I promise you if she

(01:07:46):
would have said that, there would have been people that
had a problem with that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah, Like, it wouldn't matter if I don't know what
it is. But once you get to a certain level
or stardom, like I don't know what it is, regardless
of what you're saying, you're gonna have a subsection it's
gonna be mad and angry no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
What it is is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
What is what I said, It's that the internet is
for being angry. Yes, she puts her content on social media,
no matter how nice she tries to be, no matter
how nuanced, no matter how much context needs to be
in there that I listen, I'm not a I know
I don't absorb about her content.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Well, let me just put it this way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
As of yet, it may maybe something will come out
later and I'll just have missed it as of yet,
I have never seen a cabit the brown controversy that
made me be like, yep, she fucked that one up, agreed,
And I know y'all thinking like, but what about the targeting?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Even that when we talked about it on the show,
every single thing she says.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
When I go to see it for myself and I
always leave going, yeah, what she's saying is making sense.
I just think trying to make sense on the internet
is a losing proposition. Yes, everything that happens to her
could happen to me and Karen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
It ain't right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Any of you could take thirty seconds out of context,
throw that shit on Twitter and be like, look what
these motherfuckers said. You know, just take the middle of
Karen being like doing the kind of angry yelling rant
that she does, and there's gonna be a response emotionally,
the wisest woman yelling at me about voting for Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris is a war criminal some shit. And you

(01:09:22):
could take this show yep it would you know?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Take it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Or you put an extra context that wasn't addressed in
the original clips, such as well, three hundred thousand black
women lost their jobs. Those two things if you think
about them, have zero overlapping a vent diagram or what
she was talking about. Agreed, those two things are things
that are happening that aren't things she didn't say. Become
part of the pushback, right, yes, Oh so you're just

(01:09:48):
saying women need to just go get a job. They
can't get jobs. She didn't say that. That wasn't her comment.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
And so rather than take that conversation that face value
and attack it on the same grounds of whether Tabitha
Brown is a good or bad person? Do I like
her or don't like her? Do I want to defend
her or not defend her? I just think the much
better conversation is sir by taking a step back and
being like, why the fuck are people always mad at

(01:10:14):
her when obviously that's not her content. There's Plink, there's
people like Charlie Kirk, There's people like candas owners. There's
people who honestly every day wake up hoping you get
mad to help them go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Right, right, that's who you need to point your anger at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
But Yestead, I mean I'm not even no, no, I
mean I'm not saying they need to point Daran Adel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I think that's why they blow up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
That's all they they would like you to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I think they should starve them motherfuckers too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Like, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I ain't never shared a Charlie Kirk clip in my life,
and why I didn't know who that was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I'm like, yeah, so there you go. So but my
point is they rely on the anger. It makes sense
when their ship blows up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Anger is the currency.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yes, And look, maybe Tabitha Brown is much more cynical
than I would believe, and so there's always that possibility
in it. Like so maybe she's like, I'm gonna say
this nice, but what I really want is everyone to
get mad at me. But I don't believe that, you know,
But you know, I could be being naive, but I
just really.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Think she just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I don't get mad at a lot of her stuff
because I know she truly seems to mean well, or
at least not be actively trying to harm people. I
really think there's this thing inside of me that is
so forcefully like about staying grounded and true to who

(01:11:34):
I am. I don't want to be led anywhere by
to anger.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I don't like when people present to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
A false picture or an angled picture and then go,
I'm gonna lead you down this road to an emotion
that you weren't gonna have unless I lead you down here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I know some people like that. It feels like community
to them. I think I'm smart enough to arrive to
it on my own. I need to be led to anger.
I'll get there if it's I can.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Always angry later.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
That's the thing. I can always be angry later.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Why are you telling me like this person's the worst person?
And also like, there's another part of me that does
get angry at being lined to. Yes, I hate when
people present to me a half picture and then later
I have to go because I don't trust you anymore.
I'm like that, that's not what really happened. Why would
you make that up? And it's happened so many times

(01:12:33):
I've lost count. So yeah, anyway, income streams, regardless of origin,
our core necessity of financial literacy. Has she simply focused
on improving financial literacy, she probably could have saved herself
a lot of stress.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I don't think so either. Regardless of what she said,
somebody somewhere would have been highly upset.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I wish, I really wish that would work. I don't
think it would. But also, to be fair on the
other side, part of the reason is that what she
does is a sort of by by definition, Like it's
not I'm not calling her these names. I'm saying there's

(01:13:09):
no way to do advice on the internet without it
coming off like this because we don't know each other, right,
so it is going to feel condescending.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
The people, like you're talking at or down to people, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
It doesn't matter that she's trying not to. It doesn't
matter how she frames it. If she was sitting across
the table from me as a friend, it wouldn't bother me.
But there's something But if she's sitting in a room
of one hundred people that paid to be there, it
wouldn't bother them. But once that message goes out to
the world, there's a group of people or bunch of
people out there that's like, who the fuck you think
you're talking to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yep, I'm not saying that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I actually think that's kind of like that's an internal
thing we should work on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Agree.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I feel the same way about the whole thing with
Serena Williams and the GLP ones like, if she ain't
talking to you, slot, okay, yeah, if you not, if
you think she's not the person be giving you advice,
then move on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Lin said, you don't have to like the anger part
is weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
You don't actually need to be mad. You can just
be like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. You're a
tennis player.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Not a doctor, and I don't want to do that, right,
move on. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
But you know, anyway, thank you for you, Thank you
and Karen for hosting such an informative podcast while keeping
truth and knowledge at the forefront. Y'all get six stars
plus the hype button for me. Thank you, none of
your big and yeah, and like I said, I'm not
even saying I just think there's there's this trick that
happens where and especially like on the internet. A narcissists

(01:14:36):
in real life uses a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
There's this idea of like there was a way for
you to navigate this, but you fucked it up. I
promise you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
The way we are on the internet, Tabitha Brown could
just she could go all the way back to day
one and stop talking about anything helpful other than hey,
my babies, How y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
You gonna be okay?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And I think we're at a point now where as
Karen's she's crossed the gap into they gonna find a
way to be mad at that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Right because the thing I realized about social media that
it has a cycle. You make us splash. You're new,
so you're brand new, so you make us splash, and
everybody fucking loves you. You're the best things. I'm gonna retweet,
I'm gonna share. You got to hear this thing and
ask more and more and more and more people get uh,

(01:15:28):
you get in more and more people's faces. Eventually there's
gonna be this side to go, well, they ain't all
that from internal things or the jealousy whatever. And then
something happens, or you say something, or you have a
quote unquote controversy. Then all of a sudden, these saying
people that was praising you will completely turn on you.

(01:15:48):
Tell you ain't shit, Tell you ain't never being shit,
Tell you why they didn't support you, Tell you why
they you know, they kept quiet because everybody like you
and they ain't won't be looked at as a hater.
You go through you know, you kind of go through
that phase and it's a rebound. Not you funny, well,
you know you kind of quote unquote come back. Uh,
some people never come back quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I think it's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
The best thing about Tabitha Brown is that she doesn't
really seem too obsessed with everyone loving her no, which
is which I wouldn't have guessed from her inception. I
would have thought, Oh, she's gonna be one of those
people that is gonna crash out when people start being
unquote unquote unfair less than kind, And she's done a
good job of like I said, what I said, She's

(01:16:30):
not even like doubling down to fight people most of
the time. It's just I said what I said. Some
people are gonna read some people's not see you on
the next video. And that's probably about as healthy a
space as you can be as a creative, because almost
every single person complaining is a person that just don't
have the same audience, and if they did, they'd be
crashing out at the way people talk to them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Agree, Yeah, a lot of them as some of the
most sensitive people. Some of the loudest critics are some
of the most sensitive almost all the time. And I've
just kind of realized that. And so also the thing
is Tabeth Brown was old when she dropped in not
turn funny, so she's lived a full lass life. So
when her thing, she was like, I will do this,
but but bitch, I got other shit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
To it helps to have a life first and then
be like this internet shit like because especially the way
she came in, because it was during COVID things were
going viral and popular. That really would not have worked
even six months before, right, like like needing a black
lady to tell you some positivity and smile in your
face and that that shit was not fitting to be

(01:17:30):
It would not have worked at any other time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
But people did need that shit at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Yes they did, and and they and they and they
were looking for it. And you know, for me, I'm like, okay,
So for me, I think that that's probably why it is.
But it is, like you say, you know, because it's
just something about just aging. And you've even said, like
some of the kids from Game of Thrones and things
like that would talking to the kids from the Harry
Potter new series, but like stay your ass off the
Internet because they've lived a life long enough to go

(01:17:57):
ay this shit impacts you if you allow it to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, yeah, Jason says, Yo, Cassandra was dope.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
She out here working.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
It's crazy, y'all are and Charlotte, it's pretty new to
just tap of the brown thing. I really only came
here became aware during the target issue. I definitely admire
all that she's been able to accomplish. I believe she
is learning on social media what I learned in real
life a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
There's nothing more overrated than giving advice. Bruh. The risk
will slash reward.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Ain't worth it the best very best case scenarios that
you get to thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
To be honest, I don't even like advising people in
my life, Like I like, if you really do want
my advice, it's not that I'm unwilling to give it,
but I'm okay with you just needing to go and
learn shit on your own. Like sometimes people will come
to you for advice for real, and I will absolutely
give it. Like that's not it's not I'm not sting

(01:18:46):
you with advice, but this idea of just you got
some problems. Hey, we can talk about your problems without
me being like, you know what you need to do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Yeah, sometimes people, I've realized it. Sometimes people just want
to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
It's one event.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, they just want to be heard. And I know
sometimes the situations where even when me talking to you,
me just talking out loud will help me mentally map
it out to by the time we're in the conversation,
I got the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
And unsolicited advice, oh that's even worth I mean, that's essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
The unsolicited dick pic of life. You, no, one, there
are people that want some dick pics. I'm sure they
would like to look at some penises, but what people
normally do not want is some just a penis popping
up on their phone. That's how unsolicited advice is. And
I know that at this point, the expectation is for

(01:19:34):
Tabitha Brown to always be talking to her audience.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I mean, that's kind of what influences do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
But yet it once you blow up, it starts getting
to a point where it's unsolicited because these aren't even
your followers anymore, I would I would venture to guess
a lot of the pushback comes from people that don't
really fuck with her, agreed, So it's like they weren't
looking for and now it's on their timeline, well, something
to be mad about. And it's not, like I said,

(01:20:00):
I'm not just saying it's about Tabitha Brown. Some people
are gonna write this off and dismiss what we're saying
is like, you guys are just huge Tabitha Brown fans.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
It's not that I feel this way about all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I feel this way about when we talk about Lizo,
when we talk about Summer Walker, when we talk about
Cardi B, when we talk about like all these people
that end up in these online situations where it's almost
unfair to them, I feel this way about them that way,
like it's not a just this person thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Kevi on stage whenever people come for his neck, I
always feel like, what the fuck's wrong with evil?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Same it's like lighting the fuck up, move on. It's
never as bad as y'all think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
And it's almost like when those.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
People that do uh, the people who now go to
like Democrats offices and protests. Part of the reason y'all
do it is because you actually, deep down think and
know Tabitha Brown. keV on stage, Liz O, y'all know
these are good people that actually care about and seen
as good people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Yes, and you know that if they were truly the
scum that y'all say they are, they would just say
what the fuck they say, and they would never even
fucking give y'all a time of day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I agreed, y'all know that, y'all. Y'all, that's why y'all
ain't really like y'all not doing the same energy. For sake,
Candice owns who we expect to be terrible. You know,
there's no point in torturing her. She enjoys the torture.
So anyway, next time someone asked her for advice, she
needs to borrow from our Republican brothers and sisters. Whenever
a school is shot up, thigs, some prayers, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Thys, some prayers. Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Anyway, let's see the poe. Do you think social media
has affected your mental health? Eighty two percent? Yes, eighteen percent.

Speaker 6 (01:21:40):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
I wonder if it's just I'm not on it or
you know, I'm curator or deniw like I think some
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I think I used to be in denial like that.
I used to be one of these like I can
handle it people. Uh, you know, as I joke with
oppy about these alerts on my phone. But I used
to be like I can handle it, but nah, it
was affected me too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
I just wasn't in minute.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
All right, let's go to another one of these beats
and we'll come back from break and finish the last episode.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
The next episode is thirty one fifty six NFL PTO
seven comments. Ophia says, I realized that some people who
have always been thin are mad at people who lose
weight with the drugs now, as if they are afraid
that when more people are thin, they are less special. Now,
oh you said a word with that, I do, because
the animosity isn't oriented.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
No, it don't make sense like if.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
You like, it's not even like an empathetic like if
you have the body you care like, if anything, you
think they will be mad at society for putting all
this pressure on people to make people feel like they
need to be thinner or something like that, and instead
it's like, wow, you dummies really gonna take this medicine, like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Right like like that, now I have to fucking fight
you in the market now, like you know what you do?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
You know what you know why they take the medicine?
You know why right. The transparency is also that the company,
not mine, we are not making them, uh, has to
record every side effect, even the super rare ones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Uh, yeah, that is true. Like that's see, that's the
problem I had with the Jamila Jamil shit. I've now seen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
The commercial for Serena Williams ad. It's clearly an AD.
She's upfront and transparent about it being an ad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
The ad has.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
All the side effect. The AD tells you to contact
your doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
What are you exposing?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Right, You're telling me what she told me and acting
like it's insidious, like you figured it out. And I
was thinking about this a little further, and I was like,
you know what else has side effects and doesn't always
work for people? And diet and exercise, uh like uh,

(01:24:29):
the such and such diet, the other medicines. You know,
no one right saying about blood pressure medicine and be like, hey,
don't be taking your blood pressure medicine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Funck with your doctor said, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Be taking out high cholesterol medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
If you do that, we'll be like okay, doctor Sebby Right.
And also I'm living in a world where that has
been a possibility and I haven't done it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
So should I just die of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
A heart attack while y'all cribble over like, well, he
will definitely don't do this to help at all.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
It's like that weird thing that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Everyone's health is kind of their own business, even as
we're all public, like fat is the one public thing
we all get to see. Yes, so like people, so like,
if my kidneys were fucked up, y'all wouldn't say shit
because y'all wouldn't notice. But if I'm drinking myself to
depth or whatever, that's my business, I guess, because at
least I look a certain way. But if I'm telling you,

(01:25:25):
like my kidneys are fucked up, my doctor told me
my kidneys are fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
And one of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
The things this this this GLP one or this type
of way, what I fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
What is businesses of yours? You just shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
You just want me to still fucking exist tomorrow, whatever
steps I'm taking to try to make that happen, And
we also do this thing where we act like it
exists in this bubble of like you're only doing one
thing even in the ad I saw for a Serena
Williams thing, now that I saw it, it's this combined
with diet, this combined with exercise, it'll help you do this.

(01:26:00):
Like anyway, I just think that Jamila Jamal shit felt
a lot like concern trolling, Like when people used to
say the shit about Lizzo being fat and it's just
because I'm worried about her health. And it's like, but
you're not, though, but you don't like that she's a
fat public person in public who seems to be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Fine being fat, yep, and happy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
You think she should be miserable and should tone it
down to make you feel comfortable, right, And you're just
acting like it's about health, that's it. Jillian Michael, Jillian
Michael's there there, Jillian Michaels or whatever. That fucking lady
is from the biggest, biggest loser. That woman's not worried
about Lizzo's health. No, that woe's not even worried about

(01:26:39):
white people own their slaves anyway. Hello, rang Goon says,
it's the same shitty energy around student loan forgiveness crabs
in a fucking bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah, because I always hear people say do it the
right way. It's like, what's the right way.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Right, what's the definition if I go pers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
The Paleo died. If I go, uh no cards if
I go, uh you know, strength training? If I go? Whatever?
Is that your right way? What's the right way? Everybody
got a right way? Just don't eat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I don't know, drink water, sandwiches, uh, blim you you.
I don't know what the fuck right way is for everybody.
It seemed to be a different definition for everybody. So yeah,
maybe just stop being so fucking concerned with other people's body.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Worry about yourself, you know, No, just.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Chab by the time I tell people, by the time
you I know for you, by the time I get up,
go to work, take everything here. I'm tired. I just
you know, like time and funny, it's time to you know,
do the podcast. I'm ready to go to bed, So
I don't got time to be thinking about you and
your body. That's your business.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Yeah, so it's just interesting Byina says love y'all. Highlighting
voter suppression and that you vote early is great, but
it'd be dope if you share when voting deadlines are
coming up, links and notes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
For instance, now, in Florida, if you have mail in
voting status, you have to renew it yearly and that
the deadline is fast approaching. I'm gonna tell you right
now byena no extra work for me and most in
which I'm I don't want to add extra work to
what we're doing. We already worked hard as fuck, especially
me with the show notes and all that shit too.

(01:28:10):
But the other reason I don't want to do it
is because we are showing you we are active, engaged
voters through an example.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Be like us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Go to your local websites and minicipalita go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
None of the ship we're doing is magic. You don't
have access to any information. You don't have access to right.
We are very If someone's listening to this show and
they're met and they're like, I would have voted, but
Rod and Karen didn't tell me the deadline in my state,
Honest to god, you wouldn't gonna vote. No, Cam, I'm
taking further. Okay, you don't. You don't want to co

(01:28:45):
sign this, you don't want to take it with it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Okay, this is just me speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I'll back out the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, I'm trying to save you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Okay, I'm ejecting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Fuck them, cause you ninjas insult me and Karen's work
that we do here you and so yourself you're saying
fuck you, not you, byena, but these people, if they exist,
who are like I hear what Rod and Karen keep
talking about with this voting and staying engaged and civically

(01:29:14):
active and knowing your local deadlines and your politicians and
you can.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
But uh, they didn't put a link in the show notes. Man,
fuck you, then.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
You didn't learn shit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
You still letting this country burn because you can't be
asked to look at a local paper, to google some shit,
to go to one of these ballot websites or something
like niggas, stop being that motherfucking lazy and find it
out for yourself. Damn not you, but just that fictional
person that they exist.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
That's insane, right, because the thing is you know about
you even gave information about your local distric because you
are engaged and you are involved, and you and you
want to keep other peoples engaging involved. Go to ballotpedia
dot com, Google voting near Google winner is my primary.
These are easy fucking layups. Yeah, and I don't believe,

(01:30:06):
if I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Us putting a link in the show notes is going
to add even one vote to anybody. Either you're either
gonna do that shit or you're not gonna do it
at this point, agreed. And if not, I don't even
know what you're listening to us?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Why are you here? Don't like every day we banging
on baking. Vote bitch, vote vote, vote bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
That would be insane today.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Vote matters us every day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I'm offended on the behalf of the people that probably
don't even exist that need these notes right right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
I don't even know who these are listening.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to make them stop listening
just for the fact that you brought up that they
might exist.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
I don't even know what they exists.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
But if they do, you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Lazy motherfuckers, we are about to lose democracy. And you
out here like, well, they ain't put it in the
show notes, Nigga, what it's fifty states, not the municipalities
that are within the states with other different rules. Come on, man,
you got to do this. You gotta get in gain.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
It's one hundred different counties just in North Carolina alone.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Right, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Also, if Karen hasn't checked out, the final Coral Island
update come out. It's a great break from all the
nacense in twenty twenty five. Oh, I have yes, check
out the nerd off by. You might not be behind
the paywall as a premium listener, that's not jam, but yeah,
definitely if you get a chance to be premium or
listen to us, you know somewhere, you know whenever we

(01:31:34):
put something from behind the paywall. We talk about this
stuff all the time. And Karen, there's two things you
ain't never gotta worry about Karen being up on. One
of them is cozy gangs and the second is Isakai.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
So I'm not gonna lie y'all both of them. The
way the world been going is my motherfucking jam cozy
me away and send me to another world.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Tanya says. Tanya W forty two says I was not
ready for Karen's vegan on the toilet cleaner rant, laugh
mass out thanks for the huge last star.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Because it didn't make no sense. I was like, who
the toilet ain't vegan? I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
It was very funny, she says.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Is it surprising that a man who raped his first
wife supports domestic abuse? It's almost hard to believe that
a second generation NEPO baby whose grandpap he made the
family fortune on the backs of women, quite literally, as
he ran a corethouse, treats women like property.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I'm shocked, shocked, well not that shock.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Hello, rain gooone says, So you too might know if
if I've mentioned it on you. But I've been on
weekly Manjaro injection since March. About ten years back, I
got severely diabetic, Like I went for a routine panel
and they called me two hours later, like, sir, are
you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Your sugar is six hundred?

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
I didn't know sugar? Sugar can get six hundred?

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
What is the average? I just know that's the highest number.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
I don't. I don't, I don't know. I'm I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Was it pure sugar game?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I know, Like, yeah, I don't. I don't know what
this it was to be. I just know I didn't
know it could get that high. That's like a I'm
sure it can noo. I mean, but damn. Anyway, I
was almost three hundred I guess pounds. My youngest Calvin
was about to be born. I got scared fuckless. Through
lifestyle changes, I've managed to get down to like two forty,
and I plateaued while my A one C kept bouncing around.

(01:33:19):
Finally my doctor said bullshit and gave me the Manjaro.
I'm two hundred right now, so you lost forty more pounds.
My last A one C was five point seven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Okay, five point seven. I feel good better. I am
not rich. I got right, because that's the thing that
Jamila Jamil did. It's a slighter hand. They do know
that we have like a hatred for rich people.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Serena Willis is a rich athlete, so they do the
like regular people can't even get this, and if they do,
they'll And it's like, maybe that's true, maybe that's not
check what your insurance provider. But obviously if you can't
get it, then why are we even having a fight. Agreed,
she didn't say pawn your baby to get Manjaro or
whatever thing she's on. Like, anyway, I've got regular rat

(01:34:04):
fuck insurance through my wife's employment.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
You know me. I'm telling you the shit works. No
one's paying me. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
And once again, I'm not even saying you gotta like
it's not about endorsment or not endorsing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I just think everybody go get with your doctor. If
you have a doctor, you trust.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
If not, keep looking until you find a doctor you trust.
And even if you're like I don't want to do that,
find your doctor's gonna help you with not doing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
That, right, that's what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
It's like, take some agency in your own health on
this shit, because it do matter, you know, So yeah,
I think advocate for yourself the same way I feel
about like Serena Williams endorseing Nike, is how I feel
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
It's a product. I know it's a commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
It's up to me to decide if I want to
rock those Nikes or not because Serena got them. But
let's not act like everyone's fucking stupid, Like you just
wake up and Nikes are on your feet and you're
like how.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
They get you?

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
And something that over the years I had to learn
and kind of is I am still learning. I'm a talker.
I talk, I got opinions, I got feelings. I tell
you know, I tell people how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
The same.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Feelings. And as adamant as you are about your own
personal feelings, be that adamant when you go into the doctor.
But a lot of people, you know, depend on how
you raise. You go to the doctor and you just
kind of just flow by. You know, you don't really
tell them what's wrong with you. You don't really ask
proper questions and understand, Like you know, if I don't understand,
we gonna get through this. I understand you rush, you
got shit to do, But bitch, I'm not leaving here

(01:35:42):
unto until I can explain to somebody or have a
better understanding or leave me in the right direction so
that I can make better decisions for my personal health.
And this is one reason why I'm very adamant about
getting my mammogram, getting my pap smear, getting my annual,
my eyes checked, getting my ears checked. And I know

(01:36:03):
that's a lot, but I do that because as you
get because my shout out to Rogack's mama, because one
thing she was like, as you get older, your body changes,
and you don't know how your body's going to change.
And so because of that, I was like, well that
I need to take better care of my health because
what I realized, particularly going to the eye doctor and
the ear doctor, a lot of them say people don't
come to us until they basically blind or something wrong.

(01:36:25):
They can't see or they can't hear. But I try
my best to go at least annually about annually every
other year, because bitch, play this, it's something wrong and
I get glacoma or my ear drum busted. I'd rather
we find out now and I can save it, versus
I'm fucking around and I've been playing around and now
all of a sudden, I lose everything. So for me,

(01:36:46):
you know, I'm very advocate about that because, like I said,
I got pinions about everything else. I need to have
that strong pinion about everything else, just like I do
my health. And the thing is, you need to take
personal responsibility for your health, and I think sometimes you know,
people say they do, but in reality, they don't take
as much as tough.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
It's tough and it's up to you and no one's
gonna save you more than you. And I like, I'm
not saying, uh, it's so easy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
I'm saying it is scary.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I'm saying it is difficult, which is why it's not
about a ad you saw on Instagram. We like, we
shouldn't even reduce it to that. That's that could just
be Jamela Jamil hating on Serena. I don't know what
that's about for real, right, you know, Like I said
that she also posting this ship when Serena tells you
to get some nikes, like, come on, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
And and I know, like I said, the biggest thing
for me, it is scary because that's your fun. That's
kind of a thing about being an adult. That's actually
really scary when you go, oh shit, I'm accountable and
I'm responsible. I got to make these decisions. I got
to educate myself and it's a process. So you know,
I'm very proud of you, baby. I'm glad you got
your numbers down. I'm glad you're still here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
And like, like you don't have to be transparent and
tell us all that stuff. I appreciate testimonial, but like,
it really is your business, like because part of it
is also like black and motherfuckers out because there's just
somebody that thinks everybody's doing it the wrong way. I'll
tell you a big one for me is once I
got a nutritionist and a trainer.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
There's people online. This happens every time I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Post an excise video or whatever, and y'all can see.
You know, it's not this is not no overnight shit.
For me, Like, this is clearly like and I mean overnight,
meaning like you didn't just look up and go, wow, Rod,
I lost one hundred pounds, like you see, I'm trying
to do this shit like stick to be disciplined out
of my ups and downs in life, but just my

(01:38:41):
general like, let me like focus and do this shit
the right way quote unquote the way and the right
way is the right way for me. I agreed, meaning
I ain't never tried to advise none of y'all. Some
of y'all write in and ask me that I can't.
I don't know you. I don't know your doctor, I
don't know your situation. I don't know your I don't
know what trainer you will get. Sometimes you gotta go

(01:39:02):
through multiple trainers. Yes, sometimes you know, like it's a
lot of shit, you know. So anyway, my point being,
I've had people be like, no, you gotta do the
you gotta lift that this way. No, no, no, try
try doing this instead, and every single time I either

(01:39:24):
don't reply or I go I'm only going to do
what my trainer tells me to do. And the reason
I'm only gonna do what my trainer tells me to
do is because you can't possibly know that my hip
is hurt in a certain areas, so she don't want
me doing hinges this week. So she's taught me a
different way to do a certain type of exercise that
doesn't involve me further hurting my hip, which might put

(01:39:47):
me out of commission or make.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Push back my ability to do other things.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
You don't know that, you know, the squad is a
sumo squad this week, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
You might not even know that move. I know it,
I'm learning it. You might not, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Like, so it's a lot of stuff that none of
us fucking knows. You don't know what my doctor told her,
told me, what my nutrition has said I need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
I don't none of us fucking know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
So that that would be a healthier place to be,
Like that's what Serene worked for Serena.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Maybe it'll work for you, maybe it won't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Maybe you'll go ask your doctor about it, maybe you'll
think about it, maybe you won't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
And as far as.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Stupid people or risky people, or people that just don't
give a fuck about any of that, none of us
can say. People that don't give a fuck, I ain't
that the truth?

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
The kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Person that's like ooh, Serena Williams said it, I'm gonna
just do this, no questions asked.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Is not going Thank god, Jamila Jamil made that post.
I was gonna do some stupid like it's just it
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Even he says, here, you guys talk about the peach
heat chicken at Publice made me so jealous. Southern grocery
stores are so much better than the ones up north.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Listen, I agree. I'm not even gonna lie child.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Actually, you know what, that's not fair. That's not fair.
Let's take it down a notch. I'm only thinking New
York City. Yes, I'm only going I just realized that
that's not right because there's other places up north that
got good like they not everything is the bodega true,
So let me take that back that I was about
to say some wild, reckless wrong shit and I'm literally

(01:41:23):
only thinking of like the bodega's in New York didn't
have these options because they don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
The space space.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
You know, that's like a just living in New York
City thing. So yeah, I was about to shoot on
them for no reasons. But I know Wegman's got it
up like that up north I heard. You know, I
think there's some publics up.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
North, and shit, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Every time I go down south to visit family, I
love going to grocery stores that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Peach heat chicken sounds so delicious it is. I actually
warned up a piece this morning. I was like, let
me see if it's still hitting.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
It is still hitting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I'm so glad Megan the Stallion is holding these bums accountable.
I don't follow Adam rob but I've seen chip clips
of him saying derogatory stuff about Megan with black people
sitting with him and giggling along. Yeah, that's the part
of the podcast we don't talk about enough. We all
talk about the Athlete podcast. They always had a one
random white boy that probably owned the studio or some
shit that did the LLC paperwork, and we'd be like,

(01:42:18):
what the fuck, Why the fuck is he on the podcast?
He don't play basketball or nothing. He just like Carmelo's
homeboy or whatever. But we never talk about the opposite enough,
which is the black and brown people surrounding these racist
white guys who just be there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Like yeah, like, oh you got him. We getting real
flagrant today, like damn you Kendrick was right. I think
that pisses me off more.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
These cones that hang out with him and co sinas bullshit,
and both of him say to say these things. Yeah,
and it's that common privilege bridge of being a man
and you're talking about black women and I hate that shit.
But once again, we all keep that same injury energy.
We need to be vigilant. We need to be vigilant.

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
They talking about your sister, They talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
You, ain't they are?

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
And I understand there's intra conversations as but these are
not intra conversations. These are white people entering our space
to detegrate blackness, whether they're talking and they and you're
giving them the illusion that their opinions are valid or reasonable,
or that they even should be talking about us, as
if they know, like the way that people like Andrew

(01:43:29):
Schultz are just white dudes, right, meaning like, yeah, he
might have dated a black woman, but his his black
culture experience is through the lens of a bunch of
black people that benefit from being around him.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Right. That's different.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
It's not the same. It's not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
And maybe it used to be different, but it's not
like that now Now everybody's like here hoping to make
a buck off of the fact that they were in
proximity to you. That ain't a real room agreed, Like,
these dudes don't hold each other accountable. They can't really disagree.
You know the dude who's that do get fed up?
Just leave the show quietly?

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Yeah they do. You never see him again?

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
And now that he's being sued to try to play
it off at first, but now the ship is getting real.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
He wants to play victim.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Fuck this guy, academics play stupid games when Steward prizes.
All right, let's check the YouTube for Baraka bay Fuck says, Hey, yo,
shout out to the two of my favorite folk.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
What's happening? And fuck John Roberts that got They give
more me violent mood swings.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
He thinks is racism is dead because he's white and
the racist mofo being weak since Trump, the revolution will
start with them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Darknn just says good episode. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
I'm awake, says the customer is always right in the
matters of taste.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Said, I guess Harry Selfridge is who came up with that. Well,
Harry selfwish can suck a big dick. He ms roll says, second,
guess the race black stronghand Latino. All right, getting the racism.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
I'm playing the game too.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Hopefully don't get banned over there. I don't. They don't
know about the game. None of your it ain't a
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Rod Hell, Yeah, that revised job reporter straight bs lives
from Donald. Sorry, Ash, you're not tripping, Damien says, I
can't say I disagreed to go back. A whole year
is a wild stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
That's why the whole it don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
They depend on us to try to normalize their own
shit and then they go back and and like I
get it because I want to be rational and living reality,
but like the people at the top are capable of
doing this shit. Now, now the conspiracies are in play
because these are conspiratorial people. I'm not with the like
conspiracy for entertainment shit that people do, like what if

(01:45:35):
Karmalok poison Joe Biden And you're like, why are you
doing why are you being stupid? Why are you injecting
that as if we should have a conversation about something
that we both think is stupid. But like, now you
put someone that's like anti vaccine charge.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Of vaccines, nigga, we talking conspiracies.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
No, I don't think all them people got fired because
they were bad at their job.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Now I am in a place where do I trust
when whoever the loyalist is that eventually gets the CDC
spot when they come out and say, guys, actually vaccines
are bad. What we need to do is all go
get COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Do I get to go? I don't care if that
person works for the CDC. I don't trust them because
now I'm in that place where that's a consideration. And
it wasn't before.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
No, it wasn't before, And it's very very frustrating. Like
I said, we didn't have to be here, and for me,
they weren't perfect. But it used to really infuriate me
when very logical, well educated people would turn around me
and look in my face. These doctorates, these people who like,
actually I do this for a living, would like be

(01:46:41):
working with shit in real time, Like science is, it varies.
What I know today might change three days from now,
might change next week. So when they consistently give you
different information, there was some things that were the same,
like you know, but people try to act like them
the variations of them updating the public was just so

(01:47:01):
madly swinging to the left and swinging to the right
that it didn't make no sense. When tooth Feet told
a lot of people just didn't want to keep up
with it, like like you didn't want to keep up
with it so that you ain't funny. You just quote
unquote said, well, I'm confused. I don't understand. I don't
know what's happening. Fucking listen, listen to what this person
whose whole job it is to keep the populace alive,
it's telling you, and y'all look me in my face

(01:47:22):
and told me the CDC is not trust We can't
trust them. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Now we are really in a situation where the CDC
can't be trusted. They don't know what the fuck they're
talking about. Where are you now?

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Alicia says, hmm, y'all got me looking forward to the
next lip smacking good. I pray I can secure one
of those peach heat chickens. I'm gonna make some fun
with it, and who knows what else.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
M damn that do sound like it will be banging,
Alicia says. The last guest.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
The race had me dying and prepare and perpetrators defense.
Some kids are excellent escape artists. When my dog got out,
I'll just be like, can't catch his fast ass, and
he know his way home. He'll come when he's done exploring.
Maybe that's what that one guy's logic was, who took a.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Nap, they're figure out, get tired to come home.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
That's what you should be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
His lawyer, Keenan says, I don't know if you're gonna
talk about it tomorrow or not, but I was thinking
about what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
The writer is really good at forming narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Since Wednesday night, I guess talking about and we did
talk about it, yeah, talking about Charlie Kirk. We probably
won't talk about it much tomorrow. We have guests that
are gonna be promoting, like, you know, some stuff that
I'm sure they don't want to have political uh takes on.
They don't need Charlie Kirk takes getting their fucking charity canceled,

(01:48:40):
So right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
I'm sure we won't talk about it as much tomorrow.
Jason says.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Whenever our witness an intense public phone call, the person
on the other end is clearly winning the argument I
can't even hear what they're saying, but they must be
making some points.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Trump has made it so we can't believe anything coming
from the federal government, whether it's job date or CDC stuff.
And that's gonna lack even after he's gone. He's politicized
stuff that wasn't political, even since, ever since the biggest,
biggest liar in history, question of legitimacy of President Obama.
He has permanently ruined this country. The war on truth
began beating someone up for telling people that your dad

(01:49:15):
is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Imagine that ass whooping. He's good. He gets for Brian,
his son's birthday. President right for dad. Don't never know
what to do?

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Right? Happy birthday son?

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Out?

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
Oh oh, I mean a stranger. I don't know the poe.
Does it matter to you if your cleaning spray is vegan?
Yes or no?

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
If long as it's clean. I went here, was vegetarian
you cleaning? I'm good?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Well, Caaring, You're in the majority eighty nine percent do
not care, but that means a good like about eleven
twelve percent the Mike Caplan's of the world, they do care.
So somebody, I guess that's who it was for it
that eleven percent of our audience is like, yes, let's go,
so shout.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Out to them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
All right, let's do another, uh, another one of these beats,
and then we'll hop into uh some voicemails, because we
do got a couple of voicemails.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Fraudulent activity on a bank account is a federal offense.

Speaker 7 (01:50:19):
Fraudulent activity on a bank account is federal offense.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Fraudulent activity on a bank account?

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
Doctors?

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
You went from cat America in the pan handling preaching
from the cool pick the doc dot class sacon knowledge
than the term set the chest, my sharper than the
dagger trumpets had the truth pulls meet the hated saga
sea slugger than the now slow until the school's plan
seas where the months grow. He the put some plan
breaking mental change of prints for the culture running through

(01:50:52):
his veins.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
All right. Two voicemails that I see here, let's see
you think. The first one from Jada and Karen.

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
It's just Jada. I just wanted to comment about the
I think it's been a couple of episodes now about
private equity. I was listening to a podcast I believe
it was Wall Street Journal. They just did an episode
on a private equity firm that took over a hospital
in Pennsylvania and now a hospital's having to close, and

(01:51:26):
it was like it took over this hospital and this.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
God damn it. I do this every week. Sorry, y'all,
I always forget you. Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Can't hear it if it's in the son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Let's start over, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Jada left for message, So now y'all can hear Jada
take it from the top.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
All right, y'all, let us know.

Speaker 6 (01:51:48):
Thank you, Karen, It's just Jada. I just wanted to
comment about the I think it's been a couple of
episodes now about private equity. I was into a podcast.
I believe this was Wall Street Journal where they just
did an episode on a private equity firm that took
over a hospital in Pennsylvania and now the hospital is

(01:52:11):
having to close, and it was like it took over
this hospital, and then they made it into a chain
I think, where different hospitals within this like real across
like this rural community was a chain. And then yeah,
they just like gutted this ship. And then now people

(01:52:32):
in that community don't have any health care. They said
that there is this nonprofit that their whole goal is
supposed to be to provide emergency services, but now because
they don't even have so little healthcare that people are
having to go to the emergency room for like things
that normally would be like you you know, the doctor's

(01:52:55):
office to like me, were even having trouble like getting
their prescription still me, they can't get a doctor's visit
into like a year out. So it's a whole shit show,
and the private equity is blamed that, oh, this only
happened because you know, the hospital is having trouble paying
their bills because of COVID. But the hospitals are saying
they had trouble with that before, like they even had

(01:53:15):
to sell the land the hospital was on, so now
they're paying like an incredible amount of rent and that's
why the hospital is not having a file for bankruptcy.
So I agree with all that that should be more
in place. I think even the governor came out and
forget what the laws that he's trying to pass now
about private is and take us of hospitals that certain

(01:53:36):
things have to be in place in order to do that.
So that it won't affect people's health care access. So
it it's a shit show, guys, but all right, love
the show. Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Yes, And this is why voting matters and voting counts,
because if you have people in office, you can make
a mandate that, hey, these private equities, we need boundaries,
we need checks and balances. Y'all just can't buy shit,
and good it, like that should be a thing. If
you buy shit, you are not allowed to gut it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
There's gonna have to be eventually some sort of federal
intervention in this because it's taken away necessities. And yes,
it sucks because our healthcare system is privatized and it
shouldn't be. But like it's the way our democracy has
always worked is that the government is put has put
provided guardrails for stuff like this, so that, yes, we

(01:54:27):
live in a capitalistic society, but it's not just a
completely freehand libertarian capitalist society. Some parts of it borrows
from socialism and other things, and one of those things
is typically been healthcare, where it's like, well, we're not
letting a fucking hospital just go out of business because
y'all want to bankrupt it and get the shares and
the values and depth and resell the brand later or

(01:54:49):
sell the land or whatever. And now all these people
in this rural area have no health care. So yeah,
you're right, But does it feel like that's a thing
that can happen right now? Like on the federal No,
maybe your local level out You said that governor's trying
to do something right, So maybe locally people can show
up and just by hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
But if you live in a red state, you can't
feel like that's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
Ain't that the truth? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Last voicemail, Hey Rod.

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
Hey Karen, this is Seed. This isn't Jay actually the
impossible White Man Jay. Oh okay, it's the feedback for
the girl that called in Lee with a six minute message,
and it's funny, Rod. Before you even said that she
should have her own podcast, I was immediately thinking, I
wonder if this girl has a podcast, because.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
I would listen to it. I at first was also
afraid of the six minutes, but I enjoyed her and
I was like, oh no, the six minutes is up already,
I was ready for more. I definitely tuned into her podcast.
She had a great cadence. I didn't hear any likes
or and it flowed amazingly. I don't know what you

(01:55:56):
do for work, Lely, but I hope it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:58):
Involves someone listening to your voice. Then ride with your
suggestion of you already got a podcast, you about you
got about a good five minute podcast, just throw it
up every week?

Speaker 8 (01:56:09):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Done?

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
Easy pas I agree, And then over time, if she
wants to add new segments, she can, because that was
a very creative segment. I think when she was like,
on the second did we forget? I was like, her
memory is amazing. She remembers all of those backstories. I
would not want to mess with her because her.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
Receipts got receipts.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
This is probably my second feedback and like my tinish
years of listening, but here I am. And that's it,
the impossible white man Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
Bye, Thanks Jack, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
It's funny because Jay will text me all the time,
stuff like just randomly, because once again my brain to
protect herself. If I ain't heard from you in a while,
just like, oh, maybe she moved on with her life. Listen,
it's an impossible white man life. She's skining, she's jumping
out a plane, she's fucking shooting elk or something. I
don't know what she's doing. She's hiking in Africa, you know,

(01:57:05):
riding lines and shit. She always doing something crazy on Instagram,
so like I'm like, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
She moved on.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
And then just randomly, every so often, I'll just get
like a text from her it's like this thing or
this was funny or what was this guest thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Or did you hear this? And it's like, oh, yeah,
you still listen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
So my point is, I know it's only your second
time feeding back possibly, but we know you be listening
just from the text and stuff. And yeah, I did
mean that that I should start her own podcast. I
actually just google while we were talking. There is not
a podcast called Did We Forget? I'm looking at I'm
looking like I'm looking to see if there's and you know,

(01:57:43):
it's so many podcasts to have one where the name
ain't taken already.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Girl, you should get on that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Go ahead and start that show. Your equipment was great too.
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Yeah, go start that show.

Speaker 6 (01:57:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
I think it's a very interesting hook and I and
it's a thing where, if I'm being honest, I could
do the Did We Forget? I have a memory a
very good memory of people getting in shit because just
the nature of how we've had to do our show,
you know, Like I'm the one who finds the articles,

(01:58:14):
and so I'm always remembering some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
But honestly I'm trying to not remember.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
I just don't. But like this, my brain has a
lot of shit I don't care about. I'm just gonna
tell you that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
That's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
But my brain has like a limited capacity. And if
you tell me something and my brain don't think it's
worth holding on to, you can tell me the same
thing tomorrow, I'll be like who because my brain just
kicks it out. It just wouldn't. I don't know, I
just be like, fuck it, don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
I have hyper vigilance, for sure, and so I remember
shit that people did all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
I just try my best not to constantly bring it up.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
And honestly, I try my best to like do like
a compartmentalize it in my mind to where I'm like,
I need to be able to exist in this world
without constantly looking at everybody, like the one time they
were not consistent with their morals, but one time they
forgot this day, the one time they offended people every
and at this point, because of social media, we have
so many things that so many people have done, or

(01:59:18):
so many stories and rumors. I can't I can't possibly
navigate a world where I'm like I can never see
a movie again, I can never listen to music again
because it is getting that bad, because it don't even
have to be major.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Shit in anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
It's like this one person had a bad time when
they were introduced to this guy at a party, and
I'm like, I guess I can't watch the movie. What
what are we doing here? So I don't want to remember,
and I and honestly would like for a lot of
people to forget any time I've made some small faux pas. Agree,
need a little grace, all right? Next voice, man, I mean,

(01:59:51):
next beat, and then we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
Do some Emailska, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Beyond by infrared crypto. That's a dope one. Uh, says
Miss Cryscipal Rogering Before I have a squirrel moment, I'm
gonna say this. Leeleigh from Brooklyn out here cheating trying
to be slick and send a voice note to override
the three minute voicemail rule on her segment was cute,
but yes, she needs her own podcast, Stop this now

(02:00:48):
before a precedent is set. Also, Happy double anniversary to
us baby Mama, Daddy hus and Kissing Miss Cristal Oh
and recipes cook with such a brit and con Queen.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
I like that you and Jay both agreed that she
need to start her own podcast, just separately, y'all. Y'all
didn't have a meeting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
Y'all, just came up and was like, Yes, this one
is just a little note from our girl Mary. He says,
a little belated anniversary gift to you too.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Happy anniversary. Writer Karen loved Mary, and it's.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
An Amazon gift card which I immediately applied to my account.
We'll try not to use it all on sex toys, guys.
But I can't make any promises.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Can't make any promises.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Wanted to be involved in this relationship.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Had my eye on that jumbo loop.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Ria says feedback, Hey Karen, Hey Rob, this is real.
I'm the tipper who wrote in to ask you guys
if you were wearing matching green shirts intentionally over his
a coincidence. I hope it didn't sound like a weirdow.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
No, it was cute and if well, it made.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Itself it lent itself to a great point that I
wanted to make about being detailed oriented on the show
and how you know, sometimes it's like the shit that
some other fan is like, why are you even explaining
this is exactly the thing that we other fan cares about.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
Right, and why sometimes we're going to extra details to
overexplain things.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Right, I chalk it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
I only know this because my husband I sometimes show
up coordinated unintentionally. I chalk it up to win. You're
with someone for so long, sometimes you share a brain.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
The other thing I wanted to say is I noticed
the green shirts because I'm trying to incorporate some color
into my wardrobe where mostly wear black, white, and gray.
The people are saying green is the new eye color color,
So that's all shit. That's another reason that it caught
my eye.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
I didn't know, girl. You know, I don't know nothing
about no fashion.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
The most I do is I'll try to wear a
shirt with a logo or something on that I think
is funny.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
That's the most. I don't know nothing about nobody's fashion.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
As all right this I'm trying to figure out the
point for right then, Lol, I guess it was just
to make sure you knew I wasn't some kind of
weird though, as I've said many times for you guys
my favorite podcast, I wish you all the best. Real
it never crossed my mind that you were being a weird, honest.

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
To god, fancy in details, so if you know some
people do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
I thought it was cute and harmless. It really didn't
mean I was. I didn't even think about us wearing
the same color. And the fact that you noticed is
like a good reminder that people be noticing shit. I mean,
listen of all the things people have noticed and written
in about us. That's bottom one hundred.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
It's at the bottom of the bottom of the barrel.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
It's way worse shit where It's like, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
If they were all like that, life would be good.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Wow, I said, Stephanie, hope y'all are doing great.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
I'm not sure if y'all gonna be taken off because
of what happened in all, but I.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Thought i'd send an email anyway taking off.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
What one thing I noticed about this whole thing is oh, oh,
this must be about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
Ma'am.

Speaker 2 (02:03:47):
I don't know who we are. If you thought I
was gonna miss a day of work, Charlie Kirk, I
might miss a day of work, but it won't be
because Man, I can't believe what happened to Chuck, you
know what I'm saying, Like, uh, and I'm sure he
wouldn't have took a day off of something if something
happened to me. Yes, I don't know that, man, and uh,

(02:04:08):
I didn't. I wasn't a fan of his work, So yeah,
it has nothing to do with me. And honestly, our
show we talk politics, but I don't consider our show
to just be what's going on with politics. So yeah,
I would never take a day off because that like
that shit ain't got nothing to.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
Do with me.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
And honestly, I'm not obligated to have to feel bad
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
I am.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
If they would just listen to me, nobody would have
fucking guns and he'd be alive to say the bulls
should he be saying?

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
Ain't truth?

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
So they and.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
They refused to accept that as a solution, So they
gonna just be mad at black people, brown people, gave people,
trans people and everybody except the people that's pulling the
trigger of these right wing white people that apparently, uh,
he's not right enough for and they and now we
need piecing togetherness and harmony.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
But they was ready to go to war second ago. Man,
this is cracker barrel.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Yes, that's what this whole thing is to me, cracker barrel,
a whole inside fight that has nothing to do with us,
but we keep getting blamed for it, right right, Not
a single black person was out here advocating for something
that happened.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
To that man. None of us, he existed, None of
us was starting the war with his clique of people,
and there was I don't even I never know what
a graper was until yesterday, and I still barely know.
I just know the word. And Karen will never remember.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
No, I will not.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
She loves to not know. So you know it ain't
our business.

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
So no, I didn't. I don't feel guilty. I didn't
feel shaken.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
I didn't lose a wink of sleep. I don't feel.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
I'm not even in a sad, solemn mood of like,
this is where our country is. The political violence that
been started a long time ago. When the people ran
up on the capitol, that was political violence.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
When they were shooting at the faz that was political violence.
When they burned down Jos.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Shapiro's house, that was also political violence. When they beat
up Nancy Pelosi's husband tried to kill them, that was
political violence. When two Democratic lawmakers got a try, one
got assassinated along with her husband, and the other ones
attempted to be assassinated and put in the hospital, that
was also political violence. So no, I'm not going to

(02:06:23):
act like this is some tent pole inflection point moment
because they're not having to come to Jesus meeting and.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
That's what they need to be having.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Right There's nothing for me or us to do on
our side because there's nothing we did to cause this.
I agreed, it wasn't violent political rhetoric from the left,
It wasn't encouragement to violence. It wasn't a leftist person,
it wasn't None of this shit got nothing to do
with me. I would also appreciate if they toned it
down and weren't killing people. The fact that it was

(02:06:55):
them the shot was coming from inside the house.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
Is their issue to deal with in their house.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
But they too worried about sending the National Guard to
cities that don't want them.

Speaker 3 (02:07:05):
Did git next for them to be there?

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Maybe y'all should have sensed the security out there the Utah.
I don't know that was y'all boy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
And for the record, Donald Trump don't really seem the care.
They asked him about it and he started talking about
the renovations to the White House.

Speaker 1 (02:07:18):
I'm not joking. You could look the clip of yourself.
It's not Ai. These people are very transactional, and it's
fucking crazy. And this is the country we live in.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
And the part that doesn't get said enough is and
I'm saying this because that's just a truth I've had
to accept. When they didn't get the Sandy Hook legislation passed,
and because the Republicans right, because Democrats did push as
hard as they could.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Obama pushed hard as could. It wasn't you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:49):
And we did get gun legislation since then, we got
Joe Biden, the only person's past guns and legislation since then.
But when that shit didn't happen, when they said Obama's
fake crime, when they said it wasn't when that shit
did not happen, I have to admit, in hindsight, I
didn't realize it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
But a piece of me died too.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
Yes, I did not realize it until I started thinking
about this Charlie Kirk thing and why.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
I wasn't shaken.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
You know, I've had to learn to accept this is
the country these people want to live in.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
It I don't get to have a say.

Speaker 3 (02:08:24):
Apparently apparently not.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
Apparently they just feel like this is normal and it's
the only country where it keeps happening. Apparently this is
just what's okay to them. It's worth it, as he
said himself, to have guns. To them, I don't have
a gun, it's worth it to them to have guns.
This is the cost of the freedom of having a
gun is people dying. And so I don't have to

(02:08:49):
have an argument for or against that, because I'm firmly
on the side if it's not worth it. You'd be
alive if you just listen to me and let me
make the rules. So what the fuck I'm supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
Good luck, And no, I'm not gonna miss it. I'm
not gonna take the show off for missing show because
of him. If we missing shows, just some other shit happened,
it definitely had nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
To do with him.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
So you know, now I'm not I don't even at
this point you even have emotional.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
Like, I'm not angry about it, I'm not sad about it.
I'm nothing about it. I'm numb to it. I think
part of me died when I realized America had given up. Yes,
we did not even to protect our own babies.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
We've just given up. This is the cost of some
people need to have guns.

Speaker 6 (02:09:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
And the thing is, even though it had been happening
prior to that, but that right, there was a big
start of a whole new generation going through school shooting
drills and things like that, you know, and terrorizing the
children and impacting the children and frightening the children because

(02:09:55):
basically they're going, we can keep you safe, we don't
know how to keep you safe because because of the
laws we have here. So I guess you can go
and get a bulletpoof book bag, a bulletproof coat, bulletproof
shoes like you know. Now we gotta meet the doors
bulletproof and the windows butterproof and shit like this versus
fucking common sense, right, versus common sense laws. Because other

(02:10:18):
countries have people that's mentally ill, Other countries have you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Know, political disagreement. They have everything.

Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
Yes, they video games the same shit we have, but
for some reason. I know we're number one. Our numbers
here are fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (02:10:34):
Yes, anyway, one thing I've noticed about this whole thing
is nobody plays that man's videos on the news.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
Almost everyone just a solid picture. Everyone in the company
is posting about this for some reason. You know, it
is crazy that you don't like when MLK died. I
know they were playing that I have a dream clip
a million times. I bet I wasn't even a live
for that, but I bet you was everywhere. There's not
a single clip that can show.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Him that is it? That that that is.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
Why he was famous, that is also relevant in his death.
That that what they can steal more in him. Agree,
So they can't be like Here he is talking about
how George Floyd had it coming. Here he is saying
that this is just the cost of our freedom. Here
he is saying empathy is just uh is is bad.
Here he is saying our us uh saying MLK was good,

(02:11:21):
it's hurt the country. Here he is saying the Civil
Rights Act actually hurt hurt America. You you can't play
that and pretend he's just a Christian father who just
died tragically and we should all more.

Speaker 1 (02:11:32):
Right, so they can't face he was a YouTuber.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
Nobody mentions the anti blackness all the other hateful stuff. Yeah,
if anything, they get mad. I was on a podcast
on Keith and the Girl last episode. You guys should
check it out. I think it's called Charlie Jerk is
the title. I didn't come up with the title Keith
It anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
I was.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
I was on this podcast, and so Keith of course
post to social media whenever he posted a new show,
like we all did, and I saw some people in his.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
Comments that were mad. Now, Keith and the Girl.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
While you know I would consider to be a progressive
or at least on the right side of a politics show,
you know they's it's still a show hosted by a
white dude. So you're gonna have people that are like,
I'm gonna listen to this white dude because we both white,
but I might be not the same type of white.
But it's it's Gavin Newsome and Charlie Kirk, right, They

(02:12:24):
Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsome have an understanding of we
don't agree, but you know, we both white dudes, so
like we can kind of still listen to each other.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
Hear each other out, whereas.

Speaker 2 (02:12:33):
If if one of them was black, saying that, you know,
if Gavin Newsome was Gavin h knew some to blood,
the black dude, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Is ain't coming on the show.

Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Right, So my point is like they might not agree,
but there's like a gentleman's agreement. 're like, we both
have a certain amount of like privilege. And I'm glad
when people use that privilege in that way because maybe
they'll reach that person that's a listener, Not the Charlie
Kirk thing, but the like someone that listened to Charlie
Kirk will listen to Keith and be like, oh, there's
a whole other way to think about this. Okay, this

(02:13:08):
guy seems pretty cool, he gets it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
He's saying Joe Rogan's wrong for this bullshit. Okay, it
might wake him up, right, so I would read.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
But my point being, there were people in his mentions
that were like, this episode, I can't believe you even
will say you don't know him.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
He wasn't racist, he wasn't sexist. This is just lies.

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
And I'm like, that's how powerful the shit is. They
can't even pretend that, they can't even be honest about.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
Who he was.

Speaker 2 (02:13:36):
Right, they're mourning him and turning him into somebody he
wasn't because they can't.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Who he was is not to be mourned to them.

Speaker 2 (02:13:43):
Who he is pretending who they can pretend he is
now that they can share to the rest of us.
But what they're really mourning is who he was they
but they know to be ashamed in public of that,
so they just show a silent picture talk about him
being a Christian and a father. But they're not gonna
come out and be like, like, you know what, I
really like the way that he said that, you know,
black people's culture is.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
The real problem, and that's why I support him. Chris
Prad ain't writing that, No, he not.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
The thing that really gets me is just how many
people do not mind racism? Oh he was a man
of God? Yeah, which God? This is coming from black
people here and abroad. I do wonder how many of
those black that's that algorithm thing I told you about earlier,
because I don't I'm not seeing a deluge of black
people talking about this, but I bet you they exist.
But in your algorithm, I would imagine it's hyper focused

(02:14:32):
to show you an over representation of those black people,
because how many can there be?

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
Six?

Speaker 3 (02:14:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:14:39):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
I didn't agree with him at everything, So what did
you agree with him?

Speaker 4 (02:14:41):
Or?

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Shaking my fucking head? And the videos by his wife,
what the hell was that? I'm not watching y'all be
watching shit. I would never watch. Why are y'all taking
it into your brain? What what could be gained from that?
It's not healthy. I'm telling you right now, man, I
know it's unsolicited advice, but I'm saying this.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
Because I really feel like it could help y'all.

Speaker 4 (02:15:00):
It could.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
Let me put it this way, let me take back.
It helped me, and I can only tell you I'll
call me Serena Williams and Jamel Jamil gonna just have
to have a problem with this. You's gonna have to
write along post on Instagram. But honest to god, these
the following people like him and Candice Owns his wife,

(02:15:21):
sharing these clips, watching these clips, it has not.

Speaker 1 (02:15:25):
Done anything to help my life.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
And it is not like because I don't watch it,
I think these people don't exist, or I think it's
not a problem.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
I still know it exists. I still think it's a problem.
I don't need to be subjected to it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
I don't need to know the I don't need to
put my face in the trash can to know that
the chickens spoiled.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
I knew it spoiled when it went in the trash. Yes, sir,
I'm good. Put a lid on that bitch. It's going
out Monday. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
I feel like part of what is hurting our mental
health is to absorb these things, even if we think
we're Oh, I can take it. It's fine you're writing
into us because it does bother you. But think about
how much of a different representation you are having than
I am because I don't absorb it. So I'm like,
it's black people that fuck with him, fuck them too,

(02:16:13):
and it can't be that many of them. Now, Look,
maybe I'll walk out in the world and I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
I walk down the street everybody and Charlotte got a
Charlie kirkshut on.

Speaker 2 (02:16:19):
But I doubt that. I think right, most black people
know not to fuck with them. And I don't even
want to start being I don't even want to start
knowing the black people that do.

Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
I agreed, and I bet it's a substance you like
me going.

Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
Who Yeah, of course you love not knowing.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
But I'm just saying that's not your role on the
show is different than.

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
My You have to know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
Yes, yeah, you have a privilege of not knowing. If
we both shut up not knowing, the show would suck
really bad.

Speaker 6 (02:16:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
And the Trump talking about the barroom, and the reporter
asked how he was feeling. What all those people making, Well,
we'll get the liberals this mean war videos.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Even before we than who it was just planning for
a race war. How did black people get into this? Yeah,
they don't need us, same way we got in the
cracker barrel. And that man in Utah saying he was
praying it wasn't one of them. I did see that clip.
That was funny that he wanted to be a foreigner
or someone from another state. I always knew it was
a white kid that was a doctrinator online they was
hoping it was a brown.

Speaker 3 (02:17:20):
Yeah, white ass state being able.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
To just be boss hog races in public is probably
like the fact that that's all the way back is wild, right,
Like this is like how far are we from segregation now,
segregation forever? We can't be that far.

Speaker 3 (02:17:34):
We are not far.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
I don't know what else because keep in mind, it
don't have to involve us, right, so like we could
be one more white on white tragedy from some Republican being.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
Like segregation now, segregation forever.

Speaker 2 (02:17:48):
I'm like, black people didn't do this anyway. Back to
the lunch counters.

Speaker 3 (02:17:52):
Right, gone back to the back of.

Speaker 1 (02:17:53):
The bus again.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
I'm not saying anyone deserves to die that way, but
he had no empathy at all for black people. Anyone
else is just like I just just hate and rage bait.
Nobody wants to talk about these white kids getting radicalized online. Yeah,
a Colorado school shooter, I think it was Colorado happened
the same day that this school shooting happened, and he
was radicalized online much like the other kid that shot

(02:18:16):
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (02:18:17):
Like he was a right wing I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:18:19):
They got a problem that they don't want to talk
about culturally. They too busy talking about our culture and
our problems and all and sending in the National Guarden.
All this shit put the National Guard in schools. Apparently
y'all a must need that. But he says, I wanted
to be optimistical. She says, I want to be optimistical
about this country in the future. But my god, everyone
is just so bigger than hateful. Thank you for reading.

Speaker 1 (02:18:41):
Sorry to be a bummer, h Steph.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
I don't know how to tell you this, and maybe
you thought it was being a You're not being a
bummer to me, and it's not that I don't care,
but you can't bum me out. I knew all this
shit and my bind is strong. I'm not like shout
out to no joke. Thank God for therapy. Thank God
for therapy. As a natural impath, this shit has been

(02:19:03):
a god say because I don't have to absorb y'all
can be going through it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
That's not for my ministry.

Speaker 3 (02:19:10):
I agreed.

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
I'm gonna put this episode up today.

Speaker 2 (02:19:14):
I'm gonna go to the gym, work on my fitness,
you know, fitting all this into a shirt, and then.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
You know, do something with my.

Speaker 2 (02:19:27):
Wife, or watch a movie, TV, come home, watch sports.
Like I don't know, man, we gotta we need to
shrink a little bit, like, especially with this internet shit,
we gotta shrink. I think, at least for me. Let
me stop telling what y'all should do, because I don't
really know what y'all should do. But for me, it's
been very helpful to not constantly be inundated with a

(02:19:49):
deluge of negativity. I have friends that in the text
groups and they'll just text shit all day that's just
rage bait, or look what this guy said, and you
you know what, I'll be thinking, why are you friends
with that guy? Delete that person? Stop looking at that shit.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
It's not good for you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:20:08):
Like, you know, it's like smoking a cigarette that you
think is going to solve cigarette smoke. Like if I
smoke a cigarette, I won't feel like I need to
smoke a cigarette.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
It's a fucking cigarette. You don't want another one.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
It's addictive. That's the Internet for us. We're all scrolling
through that shit. We gotta stop absorbing it. I don't
watch the fucking cable news.

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
It's not my fault. Cable news decided to be content.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
Yep, Cable news decided to be not news anymore. So,
you know, it's one of the things where I'm gonna
wind my hearing.

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
I still read long form novels and books. I think
that's very important for me. I know a lot of
y'all don't get it, but this shit is very It's
a great way to learn about shit without it just
being content, being just somebody looking at a phone and
saying what comes to their mind. Or even listen to
a podcast like ours. This isn't scripted, this isn't researched

(02:21:00):
all the time. We don't have twelve different editors and
shit that went through this with a fine tooth.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
Come. We're just giving you our thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
It might be more thoughtful the most podcasts, but it's
still a podcast, as limits reading books, reading.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
The whole article.

Speaker 3 (02:21:13):
Yeah, the whole lot of it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:15):
You know, when I decide to care about something, going
to the source it's helpful.

Speaker 1 (02:21:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
It's why I don't end up being mad at Tabitha Brown.
I don't mind going to the source. And once I
go to the source, I'll be like, I see how
you got there. I can tune the rest of the
bullshit out. I don't getting rid of the need to
be angry is the need, it's so It is so
helpful because what the anger convinces you is that you're

(02:21:43):
not sad. But the truth is you're just sad, and
we're all sad because sad things are happening and life
sucks and it's hard, and we're losing things and we're
watching other people lose. So sadness is real and should
be like thought about, should be considered. Like I'm not
telling you don't be sad, but being angry is kind

(02:22:04):
of the avoidance of sad, or being angry is the
thing that leads you back to sad. It's just a loop,
and so I try not to participate in that if
I can. Sometimes y'all write us and it's more like
a journal entry. Sometimes yours are like that. There's other
people that do it too, these long form journal entries,
and it's really more about your week than anything we

(02:22:25):
talked about on the show, Like we hadn't talked about
Charlie Kirk yet. So you wrote in to be like, well,
y'all gonna take a day off. The only way you
think I'll take a day off is if you really
don't know me. If you what that felt like is
maybe you thought, man, this sucks, this is so bad,
I wouldn't even want to talk about it. That's how
you felt about it. And sometimes I feel like that
about stuff. But I'm saying increasingly I don't. Increasingly I'm like, yeah,

(02:22:51):
that don't have shit to do with me. You know,
I wasn't rooting for the man to die. I wasn't
encouraging death or violence. I don't even do that kind
of shit. But motherfuckers are dying every day and we
don't really seem to be doing shit about it anyway.
This is just a late to me macro latest gun
violence death. Another one is happening right now. I don't

(02:23:13):
know where, but it's happening. We leave a house, it
be happening. We went to a panda fest yesterday, and
I remember thinking to myself at one point, like when
we were standing in line, like, oh yeah, it's a
lot of people who aren't white who are going to
be at this event. I see they're scanning for guns

(02:23:33):
and shit. But I just hope nothing happened to us.
I agree, that's crazy. That's a thought we have to
have in America. I'm enjoying a cultural festival. I hope
nothing happens. I hope Ice doesn't show up. I had
that thought yesterday. That's sad, but it's true.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
But you know what else, I still went and enjoyed
my food, and.

Speaker 2 (02:23:52):
We'll talk about that another time. Guys, you say, do
not mix your drug is what I'm saying. Guys, Oh
my god, that's a whole story. Maybe loops making good
behind the paywhild but anyway, Uh, we'll talk to you
guys throughout the week. Tomorrow we have.

Speaker 1 (02:24:12):
Karen's cousin and her husband are gonna be on the
show from a Given Heart Project, and we're going to
talk about, you know, what they do there with their
charity and their work, and try not to get them
in too much trouble, you know, So we'll Karen's like,

(02:24:34):
not my cousin, uh, but yeah, So we're gonna have
a good time tomorrow and so come on back. You're
here until next time. I love you, I love you.

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