3160: The Absolute Value of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 4 (04:52):
This is.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
This is just a question. All right, We're back. Thirty
one fifty seven. You can always get angry later was
our feedback show. We had eight comments, and because of

(05:22):
the guest that we had, this was kind of the
only episode we really talked in depth about the Charlie
Kirk assassination. And not much has changed since we talked
about it, other than I think and I already said
this on Wednesday show or Tuesday show, I think, but yeah,
or shit, maybe it was Wednesday for premium people they

(05:42):
got an extra episode. Yeah, but the pregame and everything.
But you know, we've since found out that this dude
that assassinated this man, he doesn't even really seem to
have a political ideology. He did text his roommate slash
possible lover slash right know, yeah, like something about like

(06:02):
being sick of Charlie Kirk's hate, But then they're like
his whole he's Republican or his family's Republican or something
to that effect. They dressed up as trump as for
Halloween one year, but I don't know that that means anything.
You could be dressing up on as Trump to make
fun of him.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
He was a gamer and he had comments on Discord,
but his friends and families said he was pretty much
a political So I think we just go back to
what we do know, which is that it's the guns.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's been the problem from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Only country that got this problem. And I know what
people want to say, and I'm not completely dismissing it.
And I'm reading a book about some of these radication,
radicalization on social media, gamers and game culture in cells
like a bunch there's a bunch of stuff happening. The
problem is those things do not only exist in America. No,

(06:58):
they do not. This is literally the only place is
where we to have this rate of shooting. Yes, And
it's the guns. It's the it's the access to the guns.
It's nothing else is going to change. And it's why
I'm hesitating every time one of these. You know, I
remember after the Trump thing where he was they tried
the dude tried to shoot him, and there's just conspiracies

(07:20):
and there's he did it himself and he set it
up and not this. And I know what y'all want
to do, and I know everyone wants to make the
world make sense and make it make sense in their
political dogma so that the world you know, you you know,
so you're on the right side of things. I just
think the way we let guns get out of control,
there's no right side, even if it were to be

(07:42):
the causes that you espouse, like, oh Luigi really did
that because he's a burning bro type person that we
if we don't get progressive movements, we're gonna start killing CEOs.
I just truly don't think people are stopping to look
at the commonality that we have mass shootings. We have
murders and shit literally all the time every few minutes,

(08:06):
and the common thread is just the guns and the guns.
You you could try to act like there's some movement starting,
but there ain't been another Luigi Manngon since you know
what I'm saying, Like that didn't start anything. Everyone was
hoping they would get us somewhere as far as like
and then the politicians and the companies will have to
bow down to the people. The people are not rising up.

(08:27):
The people are not brave, the people are not savvy,
they're not principled. So this is where we're at.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
And like I said, for they're not built like that.
A lot of that a lot of that rhetoric is
to make themselves feel good and quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Pat themselves like there's somebody coming to save us.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yes, but the reality is you person you putting out
the tweet of the post, you are not going to
do anything. It's a lot of youths out there. It's
just spew and shit just because and no, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do it. Somebody else is gonna do it.
No no, no, no, I'm not gonna start revolution. Somebody
else gonna start. Everybody looking at everybody e start a revolution,
but the revolution ain't gonna start then.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, all I'm saying is just that's the only real
update I have on the Charlie Kirk thing. Everything else
is just I mean, I'm sure we'll get to it
in time, but everything else is just kind of like
par for the course.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
We'll talk about some of the censorship and the fallout,
I'm sure during the next few weeks. But anyway, Opia
says I had to reduce social media because I noticed
that the fear and anger stay with me for a
long time. They are very strong emotions. Obviously motivate people
to stay on line more. They have nowhere to go,
and if I would engage more, they would only grow.
I can't just shut them down. I don't think most
people can. I don't think most people can either. I

(09:40):
think a lot of people aren't denial about that, and
I think also a lot of people prescribe stuff for
other folks that they truly do not think of for themselves.
Every single time you ever heard somebody tell a celebrity
or somebody they need to get off of social media.
If you were to tell them and you do too,
most people would be like, what, No, I'm fine, I

(10:01):
don't have a problem with it, and I'm sure and
I'm sure that celebrity would tell you that. Fine, But
those are just the people with the highest, biggest stage,
on the biggest stage, with the most spotlight on them.
So we can all look at them as examples and go,
this thing is bad for this person, but very few
of us stop and go, this thing is bad kind
of for all of us, and so we just find

(10:21):
ways to navigate it, you know, because to a certain extent,
I don't think it's I think it's highly unavoidable for
most of us, and that either we're addicted to it
or we need it for whatever aspects of our lives
that we need it for, or we've come at uting

(10:42):
to it, whatever it is, it's not going to go away.
So now we're all just managing different ways of accessing it,
because it's not even just social media at this point,
it's kind of everything. Right, you're listening to our podcast digitally,
you downloaded some app, you're on the phone, you're you know,
we're texting each other where you know, we're all kind

(11:02):
of tied into this ecosystem together, and there's no real
getting out of it without kind of letting some things
go and so and reforming your ideas of connection and relationship.
And I think that's a very difficult thing for everyone
to do.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, it is a very difficult thing for everyone to
do because the reality of it if you were to
actually and some people have done this, but like you said,
most people won't, include myself, won't completely leave for various
different reasons. And the thing is, if somebody really makes
a stance and says, you know, when I'm completely getting
off of social media, it will let you. You will

(11:38):
realize who how many these people are truly your friends
and how many people are not Because once you turn
that thing off? Can they still contact you? Can they
still reach you? Will you still see them? Answer to
their question is probably no. So you know, people don't
want to accept that reality. They build community, they built lively,
like they build these things digitally that once you leave

(11:59):
this app, that means all those things have to end,
Like like if you really take a stance on these things.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Quite possibly. Yeah, like I said, everyone got advice for
everyone else, but none of us is taken our own advice, right,
But yeah, I feel you, like, reducing social media is
definitely something that I think most of us should either
consider or yeah, you should at least think about it,
because least think about it, Like, just the people running

(12:27):
these platforms do not have our best interest in mine.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
They don't care about your mental health. They don't care
to distressing you out. They don't care to just make
you mad, sad, depressed. They don't care.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm not an angry person in general. I always think
I have to be selective about what angers me because
I don't want to be an angry place all the time.
I'm very much the same, and I think partially because
I'm not necessarily an angry person in general, but most
of my anger comes from like this hyper vigilant type

(13:04):
of feeling of like this person, this is hypocritical. We
should have you know, people should do this people. And
in a lot of ways, it kind of erases people's
humanity to think of people that way, because we all
have our moral dilemmas in our you know, like our
pathways of like oh this, this is what's gonna work

(13:26):
for me, but da da da Anyway, all that to say,
like I totally understand, like sometimes the answer is just
to not be around people as much, you know, so
you can kind of just be like, all right, cool,
I don't need to see all my friends like political
opinions and where we agree and disagree, because because it's

(13:48):
not always good for me to know that, and it's
not always good for them to have, you know, to
know what my shit is.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Bomani often talks about how, you know, social media just
grolling it just makes him think about like end up
looking and thinking how many of his friends are like
stupid or something, And every time he says, I'm like,
I might be one of those friends. I don't know
what his politics aligned with mine all the time, and
so we all feel very strongly, And that's what the

(14:19):
algorithm's point is, to make us all look at and
feel strongly and keep scrolling exactly why about other things
also have a side effects and an extreme died of
any kind, Think about strange diyes of the past. What
have side effects, even if it's feeling dizzy from hunger
and being able to concentrate less. Yeah, it's just so
interesting because like, yeah, it's just so interesting because we're

(14:42):
doing I don't know if it's coming from a place
of like we all want to feel like what we're
doing is the right thing, or we all want to
feel like or just you know, so much of it
is about bodies and judging and fat phobia and and
all this other stuff and societal pressure, and so maybe
we we all just looking at each other, so we're

(15:02):
not looking at ourselves or something. But I think you
just got to look at your cell phone. Shit, it's
you really don't know. And even when you think somebody
is quote unquote goals, you don't know what they're putting
their body through to be those goals, right, you know,
I think about this all the time when you look
at like either athletes or and I count this person
as an extreme athlete, but like Beyonce, Like whenever I

(15:25):
remember watching her behind the scenes of how she did,
I think her Coachella performance and all the rigorous practic
scene and the dieting and all that stuff to look
like Beyonce, which of course she looks amazing, and you know,
who knows what other things she's had to have done
to her body or done or whatever, you know, because
I know it's a lot of pressure to do that,

(15:47):
and that's her business. But you know how mean people
look at her and say stuff like goals or that's
what I want to be, And I'm like, do you
want to work out forty hours a week goals? Or
it's you know, like do you want to but you know, drink,
you know, just liquids for you know, a month to
lose a couple of pounds so that you can be

(16:09):
in the exact perfect shape you need to be to
do this thing, like you never want to have a
carb again type situation, you know, Like it's all that
to say, like there's sacrifices that come with all that stuff,
and I don't even want to know what kind of
mental strength and rigor and uh and whatever other things
come into it to make you feel like I need

(16:30):
to look like Beyonce all the time, because I'm Beyonce
to everybody all the time. That's a tremendous amount of pressure,
and that by the same token, you know, I know Rihanna,
whose weight can fluctuate and all this stuff, she seems
less and she's almost like rebelled against because she was
like everybody's like the sexiest woman on earth. And then
she's like, I'm just gonna be pregnant and not necessarily

(16:52):
be toring, not necessarily be working out all the damn time.
I'm gonna be living my life and being Rihanna. And
we all still think she's goales, but you just know
that there's I'm sure people are saying all kinds of
nasty shit to her about her body and feeling this
level of entitlement. So like, everybody's going through it, no
matter how they make it look easy or hard or whatever.

(17:12):
Everyone's going through it. And yeah, sometimes it's not even
anything about a medicine or a doctor or whatever. Sometimes
it's just stuff like I'm going on the blank diet,
and it's like, Okay, you just hope people do the
right thing, because everybody could advise against. I mean, name
any diet, there's gonna be somebody to tell you what
the downfalls of what you're doing is. So even if

(17:34):
I don't take weight loss medication, I don't judge anyone
who does. And all the data that comes out about
that them was very positive. There was new data on
positive effects on the heart recently published for example. Yeah, people,
but that's the thing too. People will take like an
extreme case or like this happened to point oh one
percent of people, and because our fat phobia and our
fear and our judgment will be like, but this one person,

(17:57):
this one person, what about that? And it's like, so
all the good that has come from these medicines we
gotta throw it at yes, But you won't see you
won't see Serena Williams talking about that one person. It's like,
who would talk about that one person? You won't see
a person that who says us the paleo diet talk
about the liver. King like, obviously that person is an

(18:18):
extreme example. That is is not the average result, you
know anyway, sober King says, I'm only now just getting
the episode thirty one fifty four, and I'm not on
social media. So this is the first time I'm hearing
about the past and the kocu Enegra. I became a
fan of hers listening to her and p Funk on
molecules and shit. But MTR network doesn't really have a
feedback show or even an email line. So I'm writing

(18:39):
it to y'all and hopes that you will extend my
condolences to her online family. Sorry for your loss. Absolutely,
let's see. This one's from annors person. Hey, Ryder Carroll,
I'm listening to the feedback show. You can get mad later.
That was a title she's not telling us too. I
think it's what it's called. When you were responding to feedback,
you're mentioning about people being radicalized online. This is honestly

(19:01):
something that I've been waiting to hear others talk about.
And now you're discussing about the clear men being relatiized online. However,
I've noticed in my personal life black men as well.
With this red pill movement, I honestly think it's all
under the same umbrella.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
It is. It is, and it's something that we've discussed,
Like we've discussed about, you know, a lot of black
men being in intels, you know, Uh, it's it's it's
several intel kings out there, just out there and you're like, hey,
these brothers are trouble.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, the hotel movement to me is similar. People like
Tarka and Sheet are using these guys. Yeah, a lot
of a lot of the FBA they are ship that's
a lot of it for black folks. And yeah, there's
i mean just the future hive type dudes. You know,

(19:50):
these guys. And you constantly see under the comments section
in the gender Wars and there's there's entire accounts that
just look for examples of women behaving badly towards men
to be like, you know, look at this shit. And
there's men that are radicalize by that. And it's not
even just extreme men. I mean, I just know men

(20:10):
just general, Black men who we've already had issues with
misogyny within and without the culture because it's America. I'm
not saying black men are like a standalone in this obviously,
but I'm a Black man, so these are people I'm around,
and whether it be through our music and stuff like that,
our culture, our art that sometimes is disrespectful to our

(20:31):
own women and women in general. There's also a lot
of like galvanizing of that angst online the same way
that is for insults.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
The difference is, I don't know, like maybe because black
people are black in America, there's a lot less of
the like crash out shit where it's like go shoot
up a school, you know, like, don't you don't see that?
But this idea that like we that we are entitled
to women to have sex with us and to be

(21:00):
romantically interested in us, and that women are bad and
women are using their sexual whatever like that. Black men
ain't immune from that at all. That's not just an
in cel white boy thing. I've seen otherwise decent sounding thinking,
reasonable men go into these weird places of like, you know, basically,

(21:25):
these women are out here being sexy, and god damn it,
that's their fault whatever is happening, if they're being sexual assaulted,
if they're being killed, beaten, abused, like somehow they're playing
a part in it by being sexy, knowing they're sexy,
just existing and not and not bend into the very
whims of what I consider a good woman to be.

(21:46):
It's very, very prominent. I often see it amongst the
discussions about women like ig models dating athletes and or
women that get divorced and get a settlement, or men
that cheat on women and then don't take care of
their kids and stuff. You would think most men would,
and most men probably are either minding their business or
being like, yeah, I can see why that woman would

(22:09):
go get child support or why that woman would need
ali money. But there's a ton of men and women
to be to be honest, but there's a lot of
men that are black and still kind of like this
anti woman agenda, this red pill shit.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And for a lot of women, that's the scary part.
You said a word when you would say like otherwise
normal rational men, which means when these women a lot
of times are introduced to these men, they're not showing
you that side of them and that part of them.
And a lot of times it isn't until you get
deep in a relationship and sometimes even married with children,
and then that shit slowly pops up and you were like, well, nigga,

(22:46):
you would have showed me this before we met. I
would have never wasted my time with you if I
know that you had these feelings you don't like women.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and this isn't really the podcast of like where
a man does something, and y'all hear me talk about
how they're not really a man or they don't count
somehow they just a boy or whatever. You're an adult.
That man's a man, he has all the rights and
privileges of being a man in America, and they still

(23:18):
chose to do something horrible to women. They still count
and a woman wouldn't know the difference, Like it's just
a way to blame kind of low key blame a woman,
Like you couldn't tell a boy from a man. It's
just like that person whatever they're doing, and then that's
not even counting. Like the if we just made this
podcast about crimes, like Guess the Race was just if

(23:42):
we did more of the darker stuff, which we typically
stay away from the darkest stuff, but that's dark stuff
all the time. But if we did more of the
darker stuff that men do to women, we literally would
never have a different type of article to cover because
I have to go look up these articles to cover
them for our show, and so I'm constantly looking at

(24:02):
crimes and funny stories to be like, guess the race?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Should we do this?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
When should we not? Which means I'm just inundated with
just every day, multiple articles about just a man killed
his wife. A man killed his wife, man killed his girlfriend,
man killed the woman's dog and shot out and killed
the police.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Killed his mother, killed his sister, killed the kids.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, so yeah, it's you know, I get it. It's
I'm not saying I never when we're talking about these
mass shootings. That is a very white man type of thing,
meaning that the only ones, but they're the vast majority,
which is why that came up. But yeah, I know
that brothers are not immune to being indoctrinated from the internet.

(24:44):
These men are somehow becoming doctrinated. I can't really find
much information regarding others experiences, but I would have noticed
in my own personal life is how my exignificant other
It started variously innocently, various innocently, with him laughing and
joking about certain things he was hearing people talk about online,
saying how crazy it was, and then the rapid progression

(25:05):
of him embracing those same ideologies, listening to Jordan Peterson
literally all of this time to all listening to the
Red Hill ideologies, and it completely rewired his brain. He
essentially almost became a conservative state. And how it wasn't
so bad and they never did anything to him. This
is a black man, which is insane. Yeah, I know
so many black women that have a similar story to you.
I don't know, and I'm sure I'm sure there are

(25:28):
avenues for a radicalization for all of us. Meaning, yes,
I'm sure there's people with hard stories about black women somewhere.
I don't know what the percentage would be, but I'm
sure there's somebody right now getting mad typing save the
fucking email. Just ain't really about that. Not trying to
blame anyone particular group or people, but what I am
saying is social media is there to get us all

(25:50):
going down a rabbit hole. It looks different for each
of us, but they extreme keeps us scrolling, mid does not. Again,
there's definitely something going on in this algorithm. Somehow started
showing him all of these things, and he, for whatever reason,
embraced it. I remember our daughter giving me a girl's
rule bumper sticker and him becoming so enraged, asking about

(26:11):
what about boys, And that's when I really knew he
had gone on the deep end. Kevin Samuel, Andrew Huberman,
Andrew Peterson. It's a dark, dark rabbit hole that leads
to the man sphere, and I think a lot of
people are coming brainwashed essentially. Yeah. Yeah, that's what the
algorithms are there to do too. They keep showing you
more and more extreme things. The book I'm reading Digital Madness,
one of the some of the stories I'm reading, like

(26:34):
they'll like, I'm on the part where they're talking about
the radicalization of men online, and not black men but
just men in general. But I'm at the Elliott Roger
chapter and or what example, and I remember, and I'm
only bringing this up because I know I normally do
this just to like make fun and shit on him,

(26:55):
but this is like a more serious, like like point
that I'm making. I remember listening to Jail Covan's podcast
back in the day when it's like righteous Prick, And
this is right after the mass shooting, and Elliott Roger
had written one hundred and eighty page manifesto, he had
put videos on YouTube in his car, he had been,

(27:16):
you know, very vocal about why he did what he did.
And he's of course not mentally well. So the logic
isn't necessarily the cojing. It's not necessarily the logic you
like in a court of law, you wouldn't apply this logic, right,
But his logic was very much women are not having

(27:39):
sex with me. I am an involuntary cell of it.
I am old sex by these women, and all these
horrores are having sex.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
With these guys.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Because if it's the truth or not, all these.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Horrores are having sex with these guys at these fraternities,
and one fraternity in particular that he had contempt for.
So when he drove down the street red shooting women,
he also shot some men. And I remember it was
trending on Twitter because everyone's just the fucking living in theory.

(28:11):
It's all Devil's advocate shit over there, and everybody's going
not all men and not and not all men going.
All men aren't like La Roger. But saying literally he's
shooting he didn't just shoot women. He shot some men too. Therefore,
maybe his motives of being a woman hater, his motives
of he just wants to kill women, maybe that's wrong

(28:32):
because if he just wanted to kill women while he
killed men, and he was telling you his own self
multiple times in many different avenues, I'm killing men because
the men get to have sex with the women. I
want to have sex with right, he didn't. His problem
with the men is that they that the women wouldn't
fuck him, and his perception was that they were fucking

(28:52):
these other guys. And I remember people debating and you know,
and right, just prick. This was the point of the show,
was let me go to something contrarian. But it was like, well,
we can't really say because he was doing. And I
was like, but then, what what does that mean? What
are we saying? Because to me, it's ken to saying like,

(29:15):
this white guy killed an interracial couple because he hates
black people. And then we go, but then why he
killed the white husband? Think about it, clearly, that's not
what the motive is, you know, Or like then he
would have just only killed the black wife and the crew,
He would only killed the black men in their marriage,

(29:36):
and he would have let the white person live. It's like, well,
that's not how he works, and we know that. So anyway,
I say all that to say, like, there are people
that worship and call him Saint Elliott and all this shit,
and they still exist on the Internet, and a lot
of times we still see the remnants of that movement

(29:57):
and out here whenever we do see a mass shooting,
and we've just decided to live with it in America
because we're not gonna stop people from getting guns, right uh.
Sean says in terms of Charlie Kirk, while it's not
acceptable that he was assassinated more than him is not necessary.
Some people deserve a eulogy, some people deserve a h
for eulogy. Oh fuck eulogy. Okay, that's hilarious term coined

(30:21):
by and Dissoltment. I think that is pretty clear with
the category truck Kirk falls in. It's difficult balance to
acknowledge the world is better off place without him while
also acknowledging the world will be a better off place
without political assassinations. However, it should also be acknowledged that
everything Ice is doing this political violence and should be
condemned as harshly or more harshly than assassination of a
nazy piece of Shitia says, I absolutely see your point.

(30:44):
I thought about political violence a lot this last week.
My conclusion is pretty much, no political violence. It's the
best amount because it is normalized. Someone we might like,
we like, might be next, as it already happened in
the past.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I feel like a lot of this is thoughts and prayers,
but like the liberal version, yes I agree, and I'm
not trying to be a contrayering or jerk about it.
But like, guys, none of this is something me, you
and the people that are on the side of like yo,
we didn't agree with Charlie Kirk. None of us are

(31:22):
controlling any of this. We don't have the guns, the bullets.
We weren't telling this kid what to do. There's no
politicians that were encouraging murder of this guy. And I
find it interesting because now it's been over a week
and when we say the term more right, like mourning him,

(31:48):
I don't think anyone's mourning him, and by that I
mean not even his quote unquote supporters. What I'm watching
is a weaponization of his brand. I'm not watching a mourning.
I'm not watching I'm not watching these people cry about

(32:13):
the injustice. I'm not watching them try to solve the
conditions that led to him being murdered. What I'm watching
is a denial and and some sort of like Okay, now,
let's use his name to raise money to terrorize black communities,

(32:35):
to go after colleges and kids, to attack trans people,
to to to to They're not to make barista's at
Starbucks write his name down as if Starbucks hires people
straight out of the fucking you know, uh uh the

(32:55):
high school, uh, Liberal association groups or whatever like they're
making these they're just motherfuckers with jobs making minimum wage.
Nobody in Starbucks has a political agenda. They don't put
you through. It's like if you go to chick fil
It's like when people went to Chick fil A and
they kissed in front of the Chick fil A people
that work there. I know what they were trying to
say as far as the sign of protest, but it

(33:15):
also is like nobody that works at the Chick fil
A had to pass that I hate gay people test.
They just got a job. Most of those people just
in the community in Chick fil A is a good
paying job of that type of job. So they don't
and they so, yeah, they don't really have anything to
do with this fight. It's all just symbolism. Yes, it's

(33:36):
all that. Charlie Kirkiz is a symbol and what he's
become a symbol of has been like can we make
you bow down? And what you're watching is something that
Karen and I have talked about many times on this show,
and I hate hate to be right about it. I
don't want to be right about it. This sucks, but

(33:57):
we were absolutely right about it. I'm not gonna play
the song, but come on, we were right. But y'all
are watching this people bow down. Everybody thought everyone's gonna
be so fucking brave.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
When people were saying that, I was like, no, bitch,
you better vote y'all. Y'all.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, the moments that looking around, the moments that require
a connection to the truth that is grounded and radical,
is not what is happening right now. And I don't
mean like I need my politicians to come. I don't
like this Twitter bullshit that people want performative politicians to

(34:33):
sound like Twitter. I hate that shit, y'all know. I
hate it from the bottom of my fucking soul. I
think it's so stupid. It's why I'm reticent to hop
on board with Gavin Newsom. I don't need him to
sound like Twitter. I know some people think they need that,
we really don't need that. That's not gonna be the
solution to get us out of this. In my opinion,
maybe I'm wrong, but these are also the people that

(35:00):
are going to end up unanimously voting to honor Charlie
Kirk because they don't want to be in a situation
where later on someone goes, well, when we've voted for
a day to be against political assassinations, you couldn't even
vote against that because they know it's a gotcha. So
they're already thinking like, either I gotcha by voting yes

(35:21):
we should put the Charlie Kirk Memorial Day up, or
I go no, God was pretty much a bad guy.
I don't think what he did was good, and I
don't think we should enshrine him, even while I also
think political assassinations are bad. And someone's gonna be like, Nope,
that's not what your stance is. You are okay with

(35:44):
political assassinations of Charlie Kirk. Did they make them do
this when those Minnesotans were a politicians were gunned down? No, no, no, no,
there was no no. They didn't have the numbers for
Democrats to try to pull off this ridiculous move, this
this completely uh optics move. But the point being like,

(36:07):
doesn't really matter, but nobody's gonna stand by the truth,
or like no, and I don't and I had to
come from a hateful place to go. No, I'm not
okay with that. This this guy is not a good guy.
His death doesn't erase his life, right, you know, Like
that's and and and yes, if some people decide they

(36:28):
don't like me or they won't vote for me because
of this, I guess I'll lose my seat. But I like,
I don't even know if this wi't matter in a year.
But yeah, it's so anyway, all this to say, like
they're not talking about who this man was. I saw
an AI video a church may put in using his
voice to do like I'm in heaven now, and they
won't AI with the Just play a clip of what

(36:50):
he actually used to say. Ezra Klein wrote a whole
fucking op ed obituary like worshiping him, talking about envying
what he built. Check out the if you're premium, go
check out the pregame from last this week, because I
did talk a little more in depth about why I
found the Ezra Kline and Meddi Hassan thing to be

(37:12):
so troubling. When Ezra Klein would say he envied what
Charlie Kirk built, that tells you way more about not
just Ezra Klein, But about our media economy. That should
tell you a lot about our media economy. That Ezra
Klein is like man, that Charlie Kirk what he built
though now I couldn't use one word or what he

(37:34):
said in his eulogizing of him, couldn't use a single
quote of Charlie Kirk that matters. But he just built.
He just the media platform is the following of the
media platform is a value unto itself that exists above
what you use the platform for. In our society right now,

(37:57):
Joe Rogan is the best because he got the most
right and how he uses it not, that's not the
issue they're writing about Andrew Schultzen the New York Times.
They're not. They're not detegrating him. They're they're uplifting him.
Why because look at how he used his platform. He's
got Trump on there. He's getting this many clicks, this
many views. The clicks are sayings negative or positive value,

(38:22):
their integers or whatever like whatever that and I forget
the exact math turn, but they're these they just only
hold positive value, meaning we refuse acknowledge minus two, we
just go two units added to the pow. It's like, well,
I think what Andrew schol is doing is added negative
a million units a million. That's a lot. That's that's
where we're at right now. And so that's why Charlie

(38:45):
Kirk becomes a saint in this climate, because he was
able to take a platform that even people that that
think he did a bad thing and used it wrongly,
they're like, but how did he get that platform? And
they're now not talking about a man who died, they're
talking about a platform, a platform which is essentially up
for grabs. Is why his wife is taking over when

(39:08):
she was married to a man who said women need
to stay their ass in the house. Women don't need
to be leaders like that. Women just need to listen
to the man, raise the babies and that'll make them happy.
But what is she doing. She's gonna carry on his work,
whatever that means. And they were already raising money off
of his death twenty four hours later, man like he

(39:31):
ain't even in the ground yet. It's an all formality.
I don't know that their mourning him, is what I'm saying.
They're just weaponizing rage and attacking people. They're trying to
get people fired. That's not mourning, you know. And not
to both sides it, because I don't think it's a

(39:52):
both sides thing, but I think the Internet is a
once again integers with no negative or positive value, just
all just it's all taking up space. What they think
they're doing is getting revenge for when people did this
stuff where it was like, oh, this person said a
racist thing on Twitter. Let's go make them lose their job.

(40:14):
Oh this person said something negative about George Floyd. We're
going to, you know, get them fired or whatever. They
don't they don't care whether you thought you were righteous
when you did that. They only look at it as
you took the chance to use the will of the
public to seek and grab power and take it away
from people and get them kicked off their jobs, make

(40:37):
them apologize on the news whatever for being you know, racist,
big at it, in articulate, whatever that power hunger of
just we're gonna fucking go get you. And yes, liberal
people did that as much as as not liberal people
for a time period. Right, that's just I mean, we've
all seen it. We've all seen you know that mother,

(40:58):
We're gonna lose that job. When she get off that plane,
she is done. You know, that kind of thing to them.
It never was about right or wrong. It was just, oh,
they have the power to do that. One day, when
we get the moment to grab that, we're gonna do
it to them. And that's why Jimmy Kimo ain't got
no job, you know what I mean. It ain't about
right or wrong. It's just here's a moment where society

(41:21):
is weak towards our side. They're having empathy that we
don't really care or want, but we will use because
we don't even display empathy. This man's own words don't
display empathy. But this is a chance to get Jimmy
kim off the air, and we don't like how he
been talking about Trump and conservatives, so we're gonna use that.
Here's a chance to get somebody fired from their column

(41:43):
for the Washington Post where they We've been trying to
let this make this person leave the whole time, anyway,
But now Karen Attia doesn't have a job. There's no
black person that works at the Washington Post right now,
and then editorial or any of the like oversight boards.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
That's on purpose.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
And this was just a moment to do a power
and that's all his death. It seemed to be it's
not me. That's I saw a human being get killed.
I didn't like seeing that video, But I'm like, did
y'all see a human being get killed? Or did you go, Oh,
here's our chance, because that's what it feels like, it's
our chance to go denigrate and harass people instead of
like memorialize this person. Why are you worried about a

(42:20):
fucking Starbucks cup? You know what, I've never done going
to Starbucks and been like, uh, hey, man, put George
Floyd on there? Why what would that do?

Speaker 5 (42:29):
What is it helping?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
What?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
What?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
What?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
What? What change am I seeking? So it's just I
don't know that Dave warned them. It's my point. I'm
sorry for that long ass monologue.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Careen, go ahead, Oh no, no problem. When I kind
of seen it and kind of the aftermath and people
losing their jobs and stuff, I just seen a leaderless
cult that people are will kind of like floating around
like vultures. And now everybody's trying to pick their pieces

(43:02):
and pick their parts of it to see what they
can get off of it. Like they really don't care
about the carcass itself. They just want to meet, which
is the views and the people and the listeners and
all that type of stuff, because you know they continue
this podcast and all that type of stuff. It's like yeah,
because they know that these people are particularly people that

(43:24):
were heavy in those circles, are going through their process
of grief and they're like, what can we do to
benefit from it? And it shows them various different ways.
And I also want to say, when you was talking
about people fighting and things like that, like you know,

(43:46):
the democratic side fighting and things like that, it always
go back to the things we said before. If you
can't fight with the simple tools, you aren't gonna be
willing to fight with the hard tools and the simple tools.
Voting it didn't require a lot and it didn't take
a lot. So if you're not going to just vote,
which is the basically the simplest thing you can do.

(44:09):
I do not look for people in the masses to
have this revolution. I just don't because they're just not
built for it. Now, something may happen and somebody really
might shock me, but from what I see around and
for social media, most people have the luxury to sit
at home, and they got a home. Basically sit at

(44:30):
home and theorize and put out the put up, put
out there their hypothesis on how these situations should be handled,
when in reality, they're really not willing to do anything.
They're not really to put their name on it. They're
not willing to put their neck on the line. They're
not going to lose their jobs. They're not willing to
stand up for anything. And like I said before, all

(44:53):
of a sudden, the Democrats have we follow the rules.
So whatever fuck up rules they make, we're gonna go okay,
and we're gonna fucking follow them. Most of us are
not really built for that life when we're really designed
to challenge the system because most of us have been
taught it's a bad thing to go to jail. You
are terrible if you go to jail. If something happened
to you, it's your fault and you should be punished.

(45:15):
A lot of people feel like that, But what happened
If he's standing for the right thing, do you still
feel that same way or is it other people can sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Like that but not you. Yeah, they are a lot
of good trouble stuff that we like to throw that
quote out there, But yeah, I just think the other
thing about it that I think in the way of
the Charlie kirk Thing and other people I'm sure have
made the point, but you know I make it all
the time, but.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
I took it to level deeper this week.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Remember when we had the shooting at the school and
Obama gave a he met the families, and then he
addressed the nation and a couple tears roll down his cheeks.
You know, he wasn't blovering, but they were just like
dignified ticks tears, you know. And obviously, you know, that
was the moment that I thought something's gonna have to

(46:10):
happen with gun control. And to the Democrats credit, they
pushed as hard as they could, and Republicans did not budge.
They said, even in the wake of these children, white
children dying, we will not budge as politicians, okay, but

(46:32):
also societally culturally the type of Republican UH supporter, the
media of republic Republicans had a complete fucking spin out.
They just crashed out. It was these kids, this is
this was not a real murder shooting. These kids didn't exist,

(46:54):
their families aren't real.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Alex Jones went to fucking court. But the fact that
he never would admit because he could have stopped it
at any time by being like, you know what, I'm sorry,
y'all right. And I don't know whether he believes it
or not. I would assume he doesn't, but I don't
know that because he wrote the lieout so hard and

(47:20):
we know it's a lie. But it makes you think
to yourself, is he lying to himself or he's lying
to us? Because what I've come to believe is that
people that can't believe Obama had genuine empathy in the
face of such tremendous tragedy cannot have empathy. They have

(47:47):
to believe that empathy is some sort of fake emotion
that the rest of us are pretending to have. And
so that person can't even consider that a man who
just looked in the faces of families who lost innocent

(48:08):
children could be emotionally affected by it, because they can't be.
So to them, getting him all emotion is performance. And
I think even this that they're doing for Charlie Kirk
is performance. They're performing for each other. They're not experiencing

(48:30):
real emotions, or they're in such deep denial about the
emotions they are feeling. Because one would think if you
were emotionally moved by what happened to Charlie Kirk. You
wouldn't be saying, well, he last texted me that we
should send the National Guard into Chicago, and that's what
we need to do to honor his memory. You wouldn't

(48:53):
be saying that. You'd be saying, we need to do
something about people getting guns and killing people. You wouldn't
be saying that. You wouldn't be saying, we need to
use this to get black people fired from jobs, or
we need to do this to get teachers go to
teachers boardroom, school board meetings and an act of fool

(49:13):
and record it for Twitter. You wouldn't be saying, I'm
gonna you've really woken up a beast. I'm gonna get
all of you that we're gonna really get them now
for Charlie. You wouldn't be saying that to them. First
of all, that guy is still alive, who did this,
the you don't even care why he did it. You're

(49:33):
already just like now it's really time for us to
weaponize this white supremacy. So it just made me think
like maybe you don't have the ability to truly connect
to other human beings or to even to even consider
this The tragedy that just happened to the guy that

(49:54):
you claim to like, Like, you know, it's just crazy,
Like it's this response. It hasn't made sense unless you
truly consider that they are incapable of saying, I'm hurt.
I missed this guy. I don't quite feel like doing

(50:16):
anything right now, Like there's no one to get the
guys in custody. Uh, he didn't do this on behalf
of anyone. It's just a sad tragedy that will always
exist in a world where we just have so many guns.
That hasn't been a response. It's been we're gonna get
Democrats somehow, We're gonna get Democratic voters. We're gonna get

(50:41):
people that aren't from here, you know, stuff like that.
It's been a very and like I love to say that,
you know, the politician from Utah, forget what his exact
role was. But the guy who said I was just
hoping it wasn't one of us. I hope it wasn't
somebody from here from Utah and all the you know,

(51:02):
I'm sorry he's a Republican. They have not earned a
benefit of the doubt for me to be like, well,
he would only mean this in the most correct, like
just a completely unbiased way. I'm not expecting him to
call me a nigger for me to think this guy
could have some racial sentiment underneath this. I agreed, if
you feel like the Republican Utah and have acquitted themselves

(51:25):
in some way that other Republicans haven't, But I don't
feel that way, and you have to show me much
more work to earn that benefit of the doubt. But
that was a very honest moment he had. But honestly
can be ugly. But it was basically I was hoping
it wouldn't some white kid from Utah. That was just

(51:46):
some normal fucking kid that could be any of our kids.
That's it. That's what he was really saying. Now, the
ugliest part is he kind of let slip and I
was hoping it was one of them. Now, who to
them is someone from outside of the countries, someone from
outside of state, someone from outside the racial group, someone
from outside of religion, something like that, probably, But the
general point is that's the ugliness in them because it

(52:12):
was one of y'all. Now, what you're gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do to save your white boys
from what you have? Indoctrinated them, well from what you've
let run them up because you want guns and unfettered
access to guns and NRA lobby money. What are you
gonna do nothing?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Right, You're gonna do nothing.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
And this is my.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I guess, my philosophy of kind of open up my
third eye on this one. When you were talking about
the empathy part white people and white supremacists, in my opinion,
learned what white people empathy gets you the civil rights
laws past. What does empathy get you? It gets you

(52:57):
devoting rights at this empathy gets you, It gets you
making it easier and not punishing people. That's what empathy
gets you. So they learned, I think that they learned
from that, and they said, we're gonna raise it. We
have to raise the generation with no empathy. We have
to raise the generation with no heart. We have to
raise a generation where you turn on the TV and

(53:20):
all of a sudden, white people are crying because you
have black people getting water holeses and dogs sicked on
them and you're making the country look bad. So we've
forgot to raise a generation that does not care anything
about that. The hatred in their heart and just disdain
in their heart. Has got to be so enrooted. There's
not gonna be an image that's gonna change their mind.

(53:41):
There's not gonna be a video that's gonna change their mind.
We have got to raise a generation without empathy.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'd even go so far as to say it's not
even hatred. They want to raise them to not care, right, Like,
not even hatred. Hatred is almost put in too much work.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, And also not caring gives you plausible deniability because
you can watch an injustice and go, well, I just
don't care, and you go, well, that makes you complicit,
and like, I'm not racist. I just don't care, Like
I don't hate these black people. I just don't care
that bad shit is happening to them. I don't feel
that there's any obligation for my country to do something.
I don't hate brown and people. Hey I didn't vote

(54:21):
for this, or are you gonna do anything to stop it? No,
I won't speak out against it either, you know, And
the last thing I'll say, and then I know we
spend a lot of time on this, but this is
our only real time to talk about it this week
with our guests. We didn't want to like, fuck up
their day. I keep seeing people push back against this,

(54:41):
and I know I'm coming from a different angle, but
hear me out because it's gonna sound like shocking, but
it's not. Charlie Kirky is their MLK.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yes he is.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
You know why I say that, Well, I have my
feelings why because I think they they equate him being
assassinated the same way they equate Martin Luther King being assassinated.
They equate somebody that was was vocal and was out
there and was seen and was quote unquote carrying a
torch and all of a sudden got taken away from

(55:15):
them too early.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
If you just take away and that's very close to
what I'm saying, if you just take away the values
once again, back to that, and once again, I'm probably
fucking it up. It's been a while since I've taken
that math class. I'm saying integers, but I can't remember it.
I just know that there was a concept in math
where it was like these numbers were not counting. There's

(55:38):
no such thing as a negative blank like maybe i'll
google that, like, but I remember learning in math that
there's no such thing as a negative integer or something
like that like just some uh whatever, but I can't.
I can't remember what it was. So I'm sure there

(55:59):
were there's negative integers.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Yeah, I'll just google.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
There are negative integers. But there's like one concept where
there's like, we're not looking at negative numbers, so you
can't take away. It's only added. My main point being
absolute value. Thank you. That's it, MANGANGHI. Absolute value. They
look at this equation, it's absolute value. Meaning we're not
saying what Charlie Kirks did for none of us are

(56:25):
gonna use his actual words. What we're gonna say is
he was a father, he was a Christian, he was American.
He was a free speech enthusiast. Not that last one
is very dubious because it's not necessarily true. He had
a blacklist of people that he wanted to not have
free speech, that he did want to attack in silence,
So he's not actually a free speech absolutist. But the

(56:50):
absolute value of Charlie kirk and the inflection point that
he represents is the same thing that is MLK died,
and suddenly we get some political laws to protect black
people's rights to vote. They want that, but to pass

(57:13):
legislation that is obviously anti all that. Yes, and that's
when they so when they say he's their MLK, that's
what they mean. They don't mean what he stood for.
They can't use what he's stood for. There's never gonna
be a I have a dream speech that they can
show on loop on Charlie kirk Day, right.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Agreed, And if they people, I'm gonna say this right now,
and I hope it never comes to pass. If they
get their way, he will be a national federal holiday.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah, like they want a Dad remembrance already for him.
They're using the fact that people have empathy and decorum
and goodwill and common sense, and they use to put
people in a corner to where they're like, if you
don't acknowledge that this was bad how he was killed,
and then you essentially saying that it's okay to kill people,

(58:02):
and it's like, okay, well, obviously I don't agree with that.
And by the way, we're never gonna mention what he
stood for, and we're never gonna and we're gonna say
that if you mention it, you're actually disrespecting him by
saying what he was about. Right, And it's working. We're
watching it work time, and so in that way he's

(58:23):
their MLK, meaning that at the time that MLK died,
there was a lot of silence that had to be
had by even his critics, because all of a sudden,
this is the first time those racist people had to
shut the fuck up. It was like, no, what happened
to this nation is terrible. People are very upset, they're shaken.
They don't believe in a foundation. We have to do

(58:43):
something to show up the foundation of this country, and
we need to pass some laws. This is obviously gone
too far. This is now their way of saying, when
you guys were honest and critical of whiteness and white
supremacy and the gun a minute you guys were taking
this is the result of your hatred. You have taken

(59:06):
it too far. We have to now pass up laws,
pass laws, make remembranses, do something to shore up this
I and I'll and this is the last thing I'll say,
and I'll move on. But this is to me so
damning of America in this moment, because I think for
many of us who have lived long enough or have

(59:28):
read enough history or aware of enough history, it took
UH at least eight years after the Civil War uh
for them to throw away the experiment of reconstruction eight
years and even then the southern white traitorists Confederate was

(59:53):
not held in esteem. So it took at least eight
years for them to allow lynching and mob rule and
terrorism on black people who are just existing in the
South again. But it took into the early part of
the nineteenth century for them to have the daughters of

(01:00:15):
the Confederacy who then erected monuments to those same traitors,
people who then named the city streets and town streets
and highways at the Roberty League marks and William Bedford
Forest and all these people to turn these people who

(01:00:36):
are slave owning tyrants into heroes into tragic heroic figures
who fought a lost cause. It took them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Decades.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It took them less than twenty four hours for Tarley Kirk.
That is much worse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That is that is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
That is not like if if if they were moving
on horseback back, then they are now moving at the
speed alight, right, And and to to erase or to
attack anyone who would say, hey man, this dude has
some very wild views, some very problematic views. To attack

(01:01:21):
people for just saying that is Uh. It shows you
the depth of the depravity and how much it's not
really about this man, and it's just about attacking these people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
In his name, right, And you know they wanna call
him their emilk, But the shit ain't the same. I
got family members that are alive and will and kicking
when Martin Luther King died, and they have told me
stories about the day that he died.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You know, they was was killed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, the day he was killed.
And you know they was telling me they remember, you know,
hearing and seeing family members getting beat by white people,
going where is your king? Now? You know what you're
gonna do? Now you know your savior is dead? Like like,
So it's not the same. It's not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
It's so obviously not the same unless you're looking at
it as absolute value, right, The absolute value of Charlie
Kirk is the same to them. Here's a moment of
inflection that we can use to galvanize the will of
the people that support our causes and to mute the
will of the people who fight against it. And many

(01:02:32):
people are are balanced down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yes, But for me, I'm until the day I die.
I refuse to lose my fighting spirit on this because
I just can't. I have too many people to sacrifice
too much for me to get to the point now
for me to just lay my sword down and give
up all my freedoms, I refuse.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, as people that give truthful opinions, I mean that
be honest with ourselves and our audience on here. It's
a bit of a scary time because you're watching people
that say innocuous things who are much more protected. Jimmy
KIMLLL is much more protected. He'll be fine. He'll be
fine ultimately wherever he lands. He does not He's not
entitled to an older night time talk TV show that

(01:03:18):
loses a bunch of money. I get the symbolism of it,
but no one's entitled to that. No one deserves that,
you know. But if they can get him, the point
is they can get any of us green you know,
want the martyr. I'm not saying so I'm gonna say something.
I'm not saying this to try to like scare anybody
or raise money or get you guys support.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
This is just facts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
It's something I think about the time. But you know,
in this current economy, a lot of people lost their jobs,
a lot of people don't have as much. Every day,
I log on and I check our our you know
what our premium account, people our you know, we have
to look at the business side out of this and
the money and I go on you know, PayPal or

(01:04:03):
whatever it tells you, like, here's your trends for the
last x amount of time, and like people are canceling
because you know, people going through it, you know, whether
you know it could be other things too. I'm sure
people cancel all the time. Just offer like I don't
like what they said. It's port, but people cancel all
the time. People can't renew, people have to adjust their
budgets and stuff, and of course we're feeling the effects

(01:04:24):
of that because we're people sponsored. Right, This isn't brought
to you by FanDuel or some shit. This is the
people that we get a check from y'all at the
end of every month, and that and that month is
a different day for each of you, right right. That
one is that support. In that way. We might get
some some clicks from ads, but the ad revenue is
not huge, like this is not a huge platform in

(01:04:46):
that way. And there's things that we say on here
because we're free people and we decide to live that way. Man,
I don't know. I like tomorrow somebody could try to
be fucking with us. I don't know. And even with
those numbers dwindling down, even with you know that the

(01:05:12):
collective pain that we're all feeling economically right now, I
never hesitate to come on here at least be honest.
And maybe that means, you know, we be facing somebody
trying to target us one day. But the truth of
the matter is, I believe in y'all the people listening
to the sound of our voice that much that I am.

(01:05:34):
It's a bet that I'm making that we could be
wrong and we could turn out and be like, damn,
I guess they both work at Starbucks, right and Charlie
Kirk's name on cups now. But as of right now,
I just truly believe our audience would they would have
a reaction if we were targeted, Like if somebody would
came to fuck with us and they were like, you know,
Rod and Karen, they not on our heart no more

(01:05:55):
or something for some shit. They said that it didn't
seem that bad to me but for me, and I
might be wrong, but I truly believe that we will
put out the bat singal like, hey man, we need y'all,
like we're down bad. We don't know what we're gonna
do with it. We might not have a show like
I think. I really do think people would step up

(01:06:15):
to make sure we don't go away, because I think
to some people what we say still matters and that
we exist in our autonomy and that you know you're
getting honesty and you know you're get in realness, so
that even when you hear something on here, you don't like,
you know, we're not faking it. It's not it's not contrarian.
We're not trying to like make a splash or go viour,

(01:06:36):
you know the shit that we're saying. We're just saying
because those are the people we are. I truly do
believe that's how we have to move. And I'm I
think I'm watching how many people can't move like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yes, it's a lot of people that can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
So when you see something like, man, they didn't even
talk about this on the view because they.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Can't move like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I understanding this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
They can't, but I'm saying they don't. They probably don't
want to move like that, but they also can't move
like that. On the view, they will not survive in
the way that I feel like we've set up a
free so there's a freedom while you know this will
I always talk about I don't look at other people's
platforms and envy and shit because they didn't build their

(01:07:18):
shit the way I wouldn't necessarily want my ship built.
I want my ship built. I want my ship built
in a way that it doesn't sink because one person
didn't like it, right, you know, even when one of
y'all right saying it, I ain't like this, I quit
the show. You still we have not made a We
didn't make this a one person sinks the ship operation.

(01:07:41):
And I truly do believe that if people ever did
see the ship start sinking, they sell out and lift
us up our hope. And I think a lot of
people you can tell can't move like that, and they
on these major platforms with huge checks shouldn't be worried
about a check for the rest of their life. And
they're out here to pitch and already Michael says, this

(01:08:03):
was an amazing episode. Thank you both for two and
a half hours of greatness. Both of your reactions to
that email from Stephanie that implied you might take Tom
off because of Charlie Kirk had me crying. I needed
that laugh today. Much love and gratitude of you both. Yeah,
come on, you, come on, dog Eve, he says. I
like to clarify my statement about Southern grocery stores. I
still think they're elite, but the more I think about it,
there are good grocery stores up here as well. I'm

(01:08:25):
surrounded by Wagman's and shop Wright is pretty decent depending
on the location. I just think grocery stores in general
cater to the area they are located. Up here, they
wouldn't have a peach heat chicken. I'm from the South,
so I love Southern cuisine. I live in a pretty
white neighborhood, so if I want to get the good season,
and it cuts to me, I like I have to
drive to the city where more black people live. That's
an underrated thing, but that's true because, like, you can

(01:08:48):
go to a white restaurant, but the people making it
is black. Sometimes you'd be like, you know what, they
did something to this macaroni cheese. That's not happening at
the other Red Robin location.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, if I go to red ropping and nobody speaking
English in the bag, I was like, you know what,
this is gonna be fine? I know, I man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
We used to add Mexican cooks back there, man, and man,
it was different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I was like, I was like, whatever y'all cooking, I won't.
I was like, I don't want I god damn breakfast.
Whatever y'all cooking, I won't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah. They would just tell me to put in certain
things for my breakfast, and they'd be like, I'll make
something else, but yeah, just put in an omelet and
then I'm gonna hook you up with some fucking wavos
friend cheryld or some shit. I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Like this shit ain't even known to me and never
will be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I remember last year around Thanksgiving, I was looking for
turkey next to make dressing, but none of the stores
in my area had it, so I had to drive
to the city. I know they would have been in
a social and grocery store no matter what neighborhood. Plus
I miss boil peanuts. I feel you. I'm not sad
that Charlie Kirk died. I from keeping it one hundred.
I don't think a lot of people. A lot of
these people are publicly more than him, do either. Okay,
we're kind of on the same page. I'm finding a

(01:09:52):
lot of this online carrying on performative and Dump is
definitely using him to keep us distracted from the Epstein files.
Donald Trump didn't go to his memorial, and when asked
about him, brought up was They were like, how are
you holding up in the wake of your friend Don
And he was like, they just see the extension on
the White House we're doing. I don't believe Donald Trump

(01:10:13):
has empathy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
He doesn't, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Donald Trump's another one of these people that I know
is a terrible person because when you ask people to
say something good about him, they normally say, shit, that
is uh neutral, meaning like he's a father, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Know what I mean, Like what he's a husband.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's not a that's not a I'm sorry to tell you.
That's not a value statement. That's a fact. It's like
you say, hey, man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
What do you think about describing anything?

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
It's like, what do you think about rod He drives
a Nissan right, well, yeah it does d she wears glasses. Yeah,
well shit, I guess we can't say nothing. Yeah, rest
in peace, Come on man, And a couple of weeks
his pass and will we be buried under another cycle
of news And in a few months, no Harley's beg
his name. I think that's another reason, never rushing to

(01:11:02):
try to get as much as they can, and this
little bit of time before people wake up and go,
what the fuck? What do y'all want us to? Wait?
What are we remembering again? Remember Rushlingba He was once
lined I as conservative and I brought him, brought him
up to a friend to prove my point. She didn't
even know he died. Yeah, he got that metal of
freedom too before he died. Forgotten because he had absolutely

(01:11:22):
nothing society. But hey, in the fact that no one
who is supposedly more than him can quote anything he
said or stay anything of work that he's done, he'll
be forgotten too when the media and content credits can
no longer get clicks of views from his name. It
does say a lot that he didn't think or either
he didn't think to do it, or the people that
are memorializing him having brought it up. Did he not

(01:11:46):
do any charity work at all? He's kind of crazy
if he didn't, right, Like, you just get a fake
ass charity. Throw a couple of dollars in there, and
then people can at least pretend like, well, he did
have of the you know, children of such and such.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I know he didn't because if he did, they would
have bought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
It's just interesting, Like, like I said, this is interesting
because you can't even use that. All right, let's get
to the YouTube comments. Let's see, we got eleven on here.
I love y'all both, y'all killing it. Thank you for
awesome feedback. Show y'all dope at fuck. I agree everything
y'all said about Charlie Kirk situation, says vocabus. Fuck Damien

(01:12:28):
says I would totally love if Gavin Newsom was culturally
aware enough to know showing Charlie Kirk too much love
makes you look like a soft white nationalist. I guess
that's why they call it privileged, because I doubt Gavin
even considered he might receive pushback for trying to be magnanimous.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I mean, if he really just thought that was the
right thing to do, then I'm okay with him thinking
that was the right thing to do. I just think
it's incongruent with the brand he's been trying to take
on for the last month and a half. And you
can't be mad at people for pointing it out right.
You can't be mad at people. People aren't fucking stupid.
They just watched you be on some light. No fucks giving.
They go to low, I go to hell. And then

(01:13:05):
something happened and you go, well, remember the time I
had him on that white spremise is on my podcast? Yeah,
that's different. He my boy, and we need to keep
up his work. What what can you say? What his
work is givin and I guarantee you he'll reduce it
to an absolute value. He had people talking. He was

(01:13:27):
not scared of conversation. He was a truth teller right now,
I wouldn't even say truth teller. No, that's that's a value.
I wouldn't even give him that. He gonna just he
he he believed in freedom of speech. They gonna use
they gonna use ship like that. And then when you go, okay,
well freedom of speech to say what Gavin and what

(01:13:49):
does it mean when he had blacklist for people? What
does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Dog?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Oh, we don't wanna talk about that, Okay, continuing his work?

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Who who?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
And how would you continue his work. His wife says
she gonna continue his work. What do you think she means?
Gavin right, Like, it's just interesting, man, because it's something's
always gonna happen, and you can't play that game for
four years to be president. It's just not gonna work.
People now gonna use this moment whenever he goes I'm
running for office, and we'll remember how he felt about

(01:14:19):
Charlie Kirk and it's is like, oh god dark Namer says,
they tried to make everyone feel bad about the death
by flying the US and r Okay flags at half
staff over here and are okay, I don't know where
r ok is. Damien says, why the f were they
flying flags half staff for a guy wasn't even a
government official. Also, this is on nine to eleven. He

(01:14:41):
wasn't important. So were they saying we deserve the WS
deserves reverence because most of us think not. And I
almost it almost makes you forget to not go in
on the dead guy, especially when the person was such
a dirt bag. The last government official to pass away
and have flag lord Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump was

(01:15:02):
mad because it was during his inauguration, so he had
them lifted.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Yeah, well they're telling you what they believe. Jay Harris says,
maybe Karen had bird blindness too, blue hair on pigeon,
humming bird, they all the same. Or Karen doesn't watch,
doesn't watch Pey, doesn't watch Peacemakers, so she won't get
your joke one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
But I do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
JJ says what I heard y'all read what knew some
said about Kirk. I was like Gavin, No, I don't
know why these politics are so insistent on trying to
palle around and comfort these evil ass people when they
know the sentiment isn't shared. These people hate a multicultural, progressive,
vibrant society, and nothing you do is going to persuade
them to change their minds. Yet that's one of the

(01:15:45):
reasons I don't I cannot honor these people who keep
saying this man dedicated his life to good faith debate.
He did not right. You can go look at the
titles of his own video. The caption is he destroys
this person. He you know, eviscerates this person. It's mocking

(01:16:07):
the people he's having discussions with, He's using them as fodder.
It's not there was never a time where he was like,
fuck man, that's a good point. And I actually see
how you can feel that way, and and and and
like maybe my solution is different than yours, but you
I hear what you're saying that that's not what his
job was. It's not what he made a living doing.
You can never give them enough because there's always someone

(01:16:28):
wanted to do more and go further than new some
types II Trump, they need to put money and effort
into their base and getting people out to vote. Kim
Doc says new diamonds and pearls, New Hay girls, it's crazy.
Wait till she is today, right?

Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
D M A T two says there shall be no
sugar in dying grit slander allowed and the grit slander
allowed hashtag candy hord to hashtag both are great. Listen,
you're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I was saying, how that slippy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
You're not gonna Charlie Kirk grits. You're not gonna use
just come out here and say lies, and then I'm
supposed to be like, well, at least we both had
good faith discussions. No restaurants don't even have sugar grits
on the menu. Shut the fuck up. Joseph says, I
remember a lot of stuff too, and I've just accepted

(01:17:18):
the fact that everybody has done some stuff that I
don't like remember Gladly most of the stuff is not unforgivable,
but it's very frustrating when it is unforgivable over there
as a pattern and I'm the only one who remembers.
That's the hard part for me. I know what you're
talking about. Yeah, like we're talking about did you did
we forget or that you know that concept of uh,

(01:17:38):
you know the idea, But yeah, everybody's done some shit.
I'm thankful for having a brain that can compartmentalize, because
I know people swear they don't have those anymore. But
I do, like I can absolutely be like, no, this
I like this movie. This person is probably a bad person, yes,
and not take it in and be like and I'm
supporting them be a bad person. I'm like, No, Can

(01:18:00):
was a great character. Jonathan Major's possibly being an abusive
person is not the thing that I can fix, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I understand everybody is different, but I'm gonna tell you
right now, I'm not giving up everything because there's a
lot of eight shit people out there. So I'm not
gonna be like, I guess I won't be going to
the movies. I guess I won't be going out to eat.
I guess I won't be. No, I can't do that.
I live in a functioning society. There's gonna be shit
that I buy from races, homophobic because and all these

(01:18:32):
other people like, because we live in a functioning society,
you know, And I know everybody's levels on these things
are different than everybody has their bars. And I understand
people go, well, I'm not supporting this and supporting that,
that's cool, But I personally realize that I function in
a society and my money is going to go places
that I don't want it to go, and I have
to feel comfortable with that, Like I just have to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
The poll, well, actually you know it for this one. Yeah, yeah,
let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
The poll was, Uh, why am I a blank on
the fucking pole?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Oh? There it is, Okay. Did Charlie kurs death make
you sad? Ninety seven percent of our audience says no,
three percent says yes. And I don't think there's a
wrong answer here, honestly, don't. I think I think it
is sad and I think also, I I know people

(01:19:29):
are going to go in on people like Jamie Lee
Curtis for crying and all this type of shit. I truly,
I think that's just us trying to be like conservatives. Yes,
I think seeing someone get murdered, regardless of their beliefs
cann't make you feel sad. I don't necessarily think you
need to perform for me. I don't need to always
be on task. And also, my emotions aren't like slaves

(01:19:52):
to my will all the time, like I can rationalize something.
But when I like, someone tagged our Twitter account to
that shooting, so I did not know or think I
would see that video. I was just doing my job
of like, let me peruse our mentions, and it was
like something something guessed the ray. So I clicked on
it and it was Charlie Kirk. Literally within seconds a

(01:20:13):
bullet going. It took my brain a second to see
to even understand what I just had witnessed, and I
was like, fuck, I think I'll just watch someone die.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Right, And that's not normal. We have normalized that shit.
It's not normal to watch people die on video.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
So I'm not here to judge the Yeah, I did
feel a little bit sad or it did make me
cry a bit. Yeah, And whether you agree with them
or not, this is definitely an inflection point another in
a long line of political violence. I think it's kind
of sad because in that way, those people who said

(01:20:48):
Obama had fake tears, they kind of won. And that
way they did win because they normalized all of us
going we feel nothing. I am numb and I do
feel numb a lot of the time. That was just
one of the ones that I went, oh, but in general,
I'm so numb to violence at this point because we've
been watching violence a long time. And you know, it's

(01:21:11):
January sixth, It's Josh Shapiro's house being put on fire,
it's Nancy Pelosi's husband being beaging with a hammer, it's
the politicians in Minnesota. Is Donald Trump being attempted assassination
on him?

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
And now Charlie Kirks the latest one, and we know
there'll be more. All right, time for another one of these.
Break's been along. We talked a very long time this episode, but.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
We'll be we'll be back. So yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
And like I said, not judging anybody's reaction, I really
does no right way to fill on some tragic shit
or just some shit like that. It's so crazy where
we're living. Whatever's making helping you get to the next day.
So what we got the next episode is a given
Heart project. We had Glenise and Kevin Ugh. Karen's cousin

(01:22:31):
Glanise Apia said, it's great to hear from people care
and actively help others. It's sad that Christians in America
are often so Unchristian. I used to be a Catholic,
now don't follow an organized religion. I still think many
of the Christian values are good, but people don't really
follow them even if they claim to follow the religion. Otherwise,
how could you support deportations of other similarly hateful stuff. Yeah,

(01:22:53):
and it's such a catch twenty two being from the South,
especially being a black person, because like there's a relationship
with church that those white people will never understand it
for black Southerners because the church in uh It's foundation
was obviously this white man's religious, that religion that was

(01:23:13):
handed to keep us docile and all this stuff, but
it also was the one time of the week where
they weren't watching black people, and so the church ended
up becoming like not just a symbol, but an actual
tool of organization and resistance against slavery and oppression. Right,
And so there's a radical part of the Black church
that does not exist in the white church. That people

(01:23:36):
have to live those raps and those values, and they
help people on the underground railroad, and they helped organize things.
Martin Luther King was a preacher. Jesse Jackson was a preacher.
Al Sharpton was a preacher. Even to this day, that's
still a Lexi Cornell West, Michael Eric Dyson. These are
preachers like our religion not the same as their religion.
And I'm not saying that on some like because everything's

(01:23:58):
so racist. I just think that's the fact, actual thing.
You just don't know the history of the churches. So
all that to say, like a black person being a
church person to me is not always a red flag. Now,
there are still conservative values and conservative leaning things that
happen within black churches. That what's the problems One of
the reasons I don't go. But I've seen a lot

(01:24:22):
of people that were progressive and helpful use the Black
church to organize or use the values that they learned
from church to help people and so it is this
conflicting thing of like, uh. While I think the end
mass white Christian nationalism has really hurt America, I think

(01:24:44):
Reverend William Barber is probably one of our foremost courageous, righteous,
moral people that we have in existence in America.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Rally and their asses.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
So I don't you know. So I don't know, Sean says,
handles looks delicious. I mean not, it's delicious Osins and
Chippewa far Wisconsin. But next time in Charlotte, I may
try them out. Wait, no licorice? How can they not
have liquorice ice cream? I don't know. I've never had that.
Can't speak to whether it's good or that, Sean says.
Love the conversation. This episode had great pacing and flow.
Not to mention interesting, gas Ke up for her work

(01:25:16):
even he says, these guys sound like truly wonderful people.
In this episode also highlighted what we already knew that
Karen is a wonderful person. I love how highly her
cousin spoke of her. Karen, you inspired your cousin, and
now she's helping so many people. Oh and then on
YouTube for this one, we got eleven comments let's see
dark damnja weak emoji's Ria says, excellent shaw. I love

(01:25:39):
that what the fam is doing to serve the community.
I was not the least bit surprised hearing how Karen
came alongside her cousin. This is another example of how
something small has a big impact on someone's life. Thank you,
Karen for being everything that you are. CPJ Morgan says,
it was such a pleasure to hear from your fam
doing such amazing work for the community and sharing their stories.

(01:26:00):
I work at healthcare philanthropy and it's remains very white
and conservative, especially the board, so I love seeing us
helping us with integrity and true compassion. Just thank you.
But I think is so interesting is that their charity
is just about helping everybody. Yes, but at the same
time as Charlotte and a lot and we already know
the statistics and disproportionately affected community. So you end up

(01:26:21):
helping us disproportionately because we're disproportionately in the people that
need help, but helping us everybody. It is so interesting
how you know that's that it's helped them to not
explicitly be about that provocative af says up Riding Karen,
this shell tech to my heartstrings. Is very enlightened and
made me want to take my five oh one seat
to the next level. It's a family affair. Shouts to

(01:26:43):
your folks, Karen, They're very impacted empathy, empathetic and selfless.
Bruh A Brief says, really enjoy the guest you had recently.
Thank you. I know it's been a little more positive
leaning with some of these guests we've had. It's not
on person, it's not like mental health September.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Everything just feel like that right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Ramsey pah Done says five stars for doing what you
do do best authentically. Thank you. Nine East ninety nine Street.
This is a Bomfuers and homey residence reference. Man. I've
been listening'll on Spotify for a few weeks then I
heard Ryder. Karen says something that prompted me to check
the YouTube and yes, I am here now subscribed and

(01:27:25):
wrecked to go all right, hit us with that hype button.
Kim Docs says, so amazing to hear about the work
they're doing and the passion behind it. It makes a
world of difference. Even when you feel like you're losing
strength and hope is in the vision. You're so needed.
I know in my work all the word goes out
the window when we are teaching kids about STEM. All
the planning and hours of preparation is worth the one

(01:27:45):
hour fun you bring to their lives. Blessing to y'all.
Keep going. Yeah, and I love her Kim docs videos
on social media where she posts her and the little
kids learning science so always. Daniel says, great guess, great show, guys,
thank you, t tkj One says, thank you for another

(01:28:06):
great show. I love the vibe between you and your guest.
And lastly, Jason says, I won't when the when the
first when the episode first started? Oh, I guess, I
don't know if it's when the episode first started. For
a second, I thought y'all had hired some stand ins
for the show. Yeah, because I had to split the screen.
The show mostly them, and that's on the side because
they were together, and it was the only way to

(01:28:27):
get the camera to show oh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
So and the thing. It didn't split us up. It
just basically had us off on the other side when
it rolled over something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Yeah, it kind of has to, Okay, it's the only
way to get them both in frank, right, because they was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
On the main screen and so so you and YouTube.
It just sounded like we were just talking like like
off on the side somewhere. Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
I just sort of ended up looking like me and
you to the left and then them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Together on the right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Okay, I'm with you, now, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
But so he's like, did y'all hire new Roding Karen?
That would be funny if like that's how y'all found
out we got rich and quit the show, that we
hit the lottery and hired two actors to beat us,
because like y'all do the scramp close enough? All right,
So don't say nothing too glowing about Republicans. Try to
keep it light on the Democrats, okay, because the country

(01:29:17):
is going to head and then throwing a little racist
when it's the highlights. But great show. It's amazing how
at the time, when it would be so much easier
for people to go doll, those two are out here
trying to do for the community. Yeah, that Gender Wars
was not much of a war. That woman had Nomo
the title alone was going to be an l for her.
A single mother with bad kids was only once ever

(01:29:39):
embraced by the public. And that was in the nineties,
classic baby kids, and I would even say they weren't
really embraced by the public. That was us embracing Robin
Harrison to deal with them badass kids. Let's see the Paul,
have you given any money to charity to a charitable
org this year? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Sixty seven percent? Yes, me included thirty percent. Now yeah, well, also,
it's about that time, right, I feel like now is
when we start going outside and it's like what girls
scout cookies or that it is about to see that
salvation army bell. And I feel I would not I
wouldn't count it against you if you decided to count it,

(01:30:16):
but also like I kind of don't count When they
be like you, would you like to round up for
the kids, I'm like, no, No, it's not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
No, it's not y'all get it right off, y'all not.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Getting that y'all not getting that same energy, all right,
Because we didn't have any breaks before for a hour
and some change. Here's another one of these breaks so
we could put another ad in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
She was talking, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
All right. Through the thirty one to fifty nine driving party,
we had d on from the Bad and Boozy podcast
and of course of the Marrying House. We had four comments.
Appia says, I am in the age where I could
very well be premenopausal. In contrast to no one talking
about it. I have a feeling that I'm faced with

(01:31:31):
it everywhere. The as I get want me to be
in it. But I really don't feel no new symptoms yet.
Mood swings, of course, only the ones I always had,
and that you can blame on puberty being a woman
in this world, here's pregnancy postpart on. The swings and
me are old friends. Otherwise, I haven't noticed anything yet,
but when I look up what could be a sign,
it's practically everything. Just existing in breathing while being a

(01:31:54):
woman at after forty is enough? Do you eat a lot?
Mental pause? Do you very little? Mental pause? And so on.
As my mother about menopausea, she said she had one
about one half flash in her fifties and then the
period just stopped the end. So I hope for those genes. Yeah,
I don't know what the rules are, and I do
know in America we live in a medicine like a

(01:32:19):
pharmaceutical economy, meaning that they sell us our medicine. There's
commercials for our medicine. So yeah, I can imagine. I
don't know what it's like in Germany, but I can
imagine that the algorithms and the social media is and
your phone and everything. They know you're of a certain age,
and they know you're a woman, and so you probably
do get I mean the same way that everything I
log onto is like you want to get your dig hard. Yes,

(01:32:43):
it don't matter what it is. It don't matter what
it is, like, hey, hey arectidysfunction? You want to dig hard?
Is how you dick doing? You want some dick? You
need to dick get hard right now. I'm like, I'm
just trying to shop for clothes. Well, I do you
want you dick haard on them closed? You don't want
them gens just laying down flat. You want them genes
to dick up like a let people know what you're
working with. I'm like, oh my god. Colin J. Says,

(01:33:04):
I said, I'm sad no one took the opportunity to
call Casper Caucasian in this first guest the race Eve.
He says, being pre min apausal is no joke. I'm
someone who is usually always cold but these hot flashes
make me want to take a cold shower. One minute
I'm under a blanket, the next I'm pulling out my
face fan. But on the upside, no period, So I

(01:33:25):
guess a win is a win. Good for Queen Lativa
speaking out on issues for US middle aged ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yeah, and also the thing about pre minopausal because they
don't really study it like they should. Everybody is different,
like literally everybody is different, like they have signs and
things like that. And I also think when it comes
to this, it can last, particularly pre menopausal can last
up to ten years and sometimes even longer than that,

(01:33:54):
do you know, depending on who you are and how
your body adjusted to these changes. And also my personal
opinion for some people they are actually going through premenopause,
maybe in menopause, and some women are just in denial
or people that are going through this process are just
in the now. Because if you admit that you're having this,
you also admit that you're aging. And you know, we

(01:34:15):
are anti aging society. So if you admit, hey, there's
something wrong, I'm losing hair and it's not alopecia, you
know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, you know all of
a sudden, I put clothes on and my skin is
it you? And I don't know why, like all of
a sudden, You know, these small things that we just
think quote unquote goes on with aging and because when

(01:34:36):
they run out a test, they gonna look at you
and be like, you're fine. The test doesn't say nothing's wrong,
but it does not mean that you're not going through
the process.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I got to read a book,
Gotta consult with your doctors, Gotta something. I don't know.
You know, everything is so foreign to me because I'm
a man of privilege and it's not something that happens
to my body that I don't feel comfortable giving any
level of like this is what is happening to people.

(01:35:06):
I'm sure some people that's happening to And I also
don't know what you do if you truly are like
I'm not experiencing these things and people are like, yes
you are. No, you just didn't denial you do you
going through it? I don't know. Everybody's body is different
in the grade. Yeah, I wish everybody comfort.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Evie says. Another thing I think it's worth mentioning is
the forgetfulness. The other day, I spent five minutes looking
for my phone, only realized I was talking to my
girlfriend on the phone the whole time. Hilarious. Yeah, let's
see comments on YouTube. Nasty Knack says, this must be
Lisa from TAMCCLA from Saturday Night Live, cook My Meat,
and it's at the fifty six minute thirty three second mark.

(01:35:49):
I don't know what we was talking about at fifty six.
It must have been a guest story. So no, it
couldn't have been a guest stories. Oh it was the
It was the lady with the gender war where she
said she ate me off the table, the state straight
off the table. Rath says, had to come to the
tube to so I can hype this video. Consider me

(01:36:10):
a black eye to the blackout tips Nation hype g now,
great show is always thank you for the hype.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Thank you now says I know what the hype is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Ramsey says, this brings me joy, love y'all. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Ms.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Rohl says this gender wars lady and Kwan Mills, author
of the Ho Gouy Roaches and passes Et Porssy two
would have a time. She's a yeah, she's out here.
Damien says, another great show and another great guest, and
Jason says, great show. Y'all did is a boss? CFO
always seems like the hardest out of all the c
sweet jobs numbers make your boy nervous to be a CEO.

(01:36:45):
All you need is a suit. The guest the race.
You don't even need a suit now, the guest the
race about the dude who killed his roommate over the
remote was wild, But I guess like the remote is
one of those more likely household appliance that could lead
to homicide. It's right up there the thermostat in the PlayStation. Definitely. Yeah,
It's definitely this top five and it ain't number five. Yeah,

(01:37:06):
because the remote thing, the remoter make you want to
kill somebody when it's nobody foult with yours right good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
You're like, the fuck is this goddamn remote?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Like when you lose the remote?

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
I remember one time I lost the remote for like
five minutes in my house and I was already on
Amazon looking up remote replacements because I was like, I
don't know where the fuck is that fucking I'll find
it one day and when I don't need it, you know,
it'll make it pop up. When the new remote get here,
you all out of the ceiling onto my face and
be like, why did it get up there?

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
The only people who got sprayed with the bugs pray
probably got off light.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Whenever I grabbed the bugs forray, I'm empty in the clip.

Speaker 7 (01:37:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
We didn't see exactly how much he gave them, but
I'll imagine any out of bugspray sucks. Yeah, that's I mean,
that's a petty, petty, thoughtful crime. Like I might keep
some bugs praying my car now, just in case niggas
want to act up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
They wouldn't maze. No, I didn't make.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Some people are gonna accuse me of being colorists. I'm like, no,
I'm not doing it because they brown skin. I'm calling
them roaches because I'm using bug spray. Stop trying to
make everything twitter the part do you like your steak
well done now shooting rubber?

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Or I don't eat steak. Seventeen percent of y'all do
not eat steak. Shout out to y'all, y'all. I definitely
wanted to make that part of the category because much
like people that don't eat pork, yell love to tell us,
yell love it, you love to eat. You love to
tell us you don't eat pork more than you love pork.
That's what I think. But yeah, uh no, seventy eight

(01:38:42):
percent do not like their steak well done, and six
percent do like they steak well done.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
How about you gotta smother it in sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
I just like that, y'all weren't ashamed to tell us that,
because I think there's a little bit of shame attached
to well done steak now, because I feel like social
media has judged folks who like the well done steak
pretty fucking harshly. So you it's brave of you to
now tell me you you like your steak well done,

(01:39:13):
because I'm like, oh, everyone knows that's the wrong answer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
You enjoy it. I ain't got to eat it, but child,
I'm not knowing two minutes a bite.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
All right, let's get into the last thing because we
have no emails. We got two voicemails, so let's do
voicemails after this break.

Speaker 6 (01:39:32):
Okay, it's called deep in the font.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
I like that one. I don't know if I played
it before. All right, got two voicemails. The first one
is from Dre.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
What's going on Round and Karen's Dray. I'm listening to
the feedback episode.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Then.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Karen was talking about how like you don't need a
perfect candidate, and I feel that so much. I think
even Son of a Bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
I do this every week, guys. This is part of
it now. I like to play for only the people
that can hear in this studio. I like to play
the voicemails just from me and Karen to test them first.
Then after that I play it for y'all. That's exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
I'm listening to the feedback episode. Then Karen was talking
about how like you don't need a perfect candidate, and
I feel that so much. I think him beyond not
needing a perfect candidate, I think as far as for
black people who are politically active for real, I don't

(01:41:08):
even think it's that we don't need a perfect candidate.
It's that we know that that's not how politics works
in the sense that we're never gonna get what's our
idea of a perfect candidate. It's not that Joe Biden
was my perfect idea of a candidate. It's not like
it's not necessarily like Kambelo was my perfect idea of
a candidate. Though I thought she was a great candidate,

(01:41:30):
think ahead of time, I'm saying it wasn't. I didn't
have the vision, I didn't see it ahead of time.
In practice, I was actually highly impressed. Anyway. The point is,
I'm gonna take whatever the fuck the Democrats put up
because it's gotten so bad that that's really the only.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
Option right now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
And I think that's what causes the like such a
strong divide, especially when it comes to Black people between
voters and voters, where it's almost like, as politically active
black people, we have like it's not the same. It's
not the word, it's not like, but it's like it's
an utter frustration because you are actually working in opposition

(01:42:14):
to both your and my success right now because you've
bought the bill of goods that it's all really the
same and it doesn't really matter because there's a group
of people telling you it doesn't matter because it doesn't
matter that much to them, but to us, it matters

(01:42:34):
a lot. And the more marginalizing community is it's like
the more the margins hurts you. I don't think people
don't realize it is the margins. It maybe they're not.
They are world's apart, but maybe in what they're able
to get accomplished, it's not worlds apart even though it is.
But for the argument, we'll say it's not. We're all

(01:42:58):
so far at the margins that even changing things a
little bit hurts us so much. But anyway, that's all.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
Love you guys to buddy, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
The one thing I would even add to that is
because I absolutely agree.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
Like I.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Had a thing that happened on Twitter this week and
where I was like, that's something terrible that Trump did
or something, and I was like, man, we really got
to get to a point where the first reflex to
a Republican with a Republican controlled Congress and Senate doing

(01:43:43):
something horrible isn't something something Democrats that that gets on
my nerves. I think it was a pretty simple, pretty
simple statement. Don't think what I said was controversial or
very inflammatory, but I was like, you know, we have
to get to a point where the reflex isn't somehow
this is the Democrats fault and it's well, what are

(01:44:03):
we gonna do to solve it? Me? And you like,
what are we gonna do? Like, what are what's what's
the solution gonna be because being able to blame somebody.
It's it's it's for those of us who play organized sports,
and I mine is basketball. The worst You know what,
the worst teammate is. The worst teammate is not the

(01:44:26):
guy who misses the last shot. It's not the guy
that makes the turnover past but and you lose the
game or misses his defensive assignment or whatever. We all
do that. Everybody who's played basketball knows it is impossible
to play perfect all the time and occasionally missed the shot.

(01:44:48):
You you know, you you fuck up the past right now.
The worst guy, to me, the guy that just doesn't
take any fucking responsibilit does not believe in the concept
that we're all in here for ourselves and we're all
playing for each other. That's the guy that's the worst teammate.

(01:45:12):
He's the guy on the sideline that after you lose,
he's just bitching and complaining about everything everyone else did wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
He's the guy that when you even sign up together,
he's already acting like we're all gonna lose. And that
is one of our that's a portion of our teammates
online when it comes to this stuff, but what happened
to me was when I tweeted that some black avatar guy,
I don't know if he was black for real and

(01:45:42):
know if he's a bot. I don't know if these
people are real social media. I typically don't even really
go back and forth with people because I don't even
know if you're a person, and so I did not
go back and forth with this person. I think it's
important to say here because I want people to understand
I'm trying to be consistent about that this was not
an exchange of ideas that we had. I truly just
saw what they said to me and blocked them and
moved on with my life. But it was some guy

(01:46:03):
who goes, I'm from Britain and I followed you for years.
Where are you gonna wake up and stop going easy
on these or stop defending these democrats? They didn't do
enough for Gayza and this is their fault, and da
da da da, and I just didn't even I just

(01:46:24):
blocked them because in addition to you not living here,
if you're a person, if you're real, in addition to
your black ass not being from here, meaning you, this
is this is all theory for you, right, You don't
have to live with the realities of what a Democrat
loss means to me and my peoples in the world.
You just living in a theory of like that'll show them.

(01:46:47):
But I also know that these folks that would live
under a Trump regime are not brave people.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
You know they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
They're not gonna fight back the thing that you said
was gonna happen. The Democrats will learn the lesson, and
we're gonna end up with some super progressive bounce back.
Wouldn't that have happened the first time Trump was elected?
Why would it take to Trump elections? If they were
built like that, we would have been built like that.
Joe Biden wouldn't have been the president after Trump. If
we were built for some we need a radical change.

(01:47:14):
That is not this country. There's nothing in the history
of this country that shows that we are that type
of country. But mostly I'm not just going back and
forth with you in theory about my the worth of
my life and all the people that I care about
in this country because because you just want to get
some political points off and say you went back and

(01:47:35):
forth on Twitter with some guy that you been following
for years that don't follow you back because they don't
know who you are and don't really necessarily have to
have much stake or value in what you think about them.
So anyway, it just as you said, it's frustrating because
they're not to be swayed. I don't know, go back

(01:47:56):
and forth with people, even when they are real people
a lot of time, because they have access to all
the information I have access to. Yes, they do, so
I don't believe that they are mistaken. And that's the
hard part right now, is to walk with that knowledge

(01:48:17):
and not have contempt for people, even people that are
just one degree away from me. So I don't like
talking about it because I don't. I'm too angry and
I'm too rigid. My job is not the bridge of
the vibe. My job is not to make us compromise

(01:48:38):
and bring everyone back to the table. There's leaders who
do that, you know they. But it could be Gavin Newsome,
it could be Kamla Harris, it could be someone whose
name I don't even know yet that's gonna try to
attempt to bring us all back to the table and
get us to work together. But that is not my
job or my role. I'm just gonna tell you how
I feel. And I feel so rigid right now that

(01:49:01):
there's an anger towards people who are just one degree
off of me. That's not that's not good. I should
be more, a little more something. I recognize that, but
I can't be. I literally can't be. People be saying
shit that's like one cent they could say ninety nine
centens I agree with they say one sentence, I'm like,
what a fuck they make you at That's where that's

(01:49:24):
not rational or reasonable for me. So yeah, in this
with this case where you're like, man, black people kind
of understand and accept this, some of us do. But
even when it's another black person and they say something
I find to be just like what fucking country you
think we live in? I have to turn it off.

(01:49:45):
I mean, you know, I don't even really talk to
my friends about politics sometimes because I'm just like, like,
there's certain things people say and that they're givings and
their platitudes and their their standards that people believe, and
I just don't believe them anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Yeah, I knowso I think that that same as you
we said this before. I'm very mad, I'm very angry,
I'm very upset, I'm very hurt. I'm very sad, mad, depressed,
all bought up in one and so a lot of
times when we talk about these things, I'm a person
and I'm very sensitive, and so when you start tapping
on tapping at those things, You're gonna make me spew

(01:50:21):
these things that I'm feeling. Because everybody is under the
illusion that they are the only person mad and you're not.
There are other people that are mad, and guess what,
they are madder than you. And I'm happy to be
one of those people. And so for me, no, I
don't won't talk about it. No, I don't want to
hear both sides. No, I don't want to hear. No,
it's because you're going through the process that I've already

(01:50:43):
gone through and I've lost my trust and my faith
in a lot of the systems and all that stuff.
So for me, I don't have I don't have this
conflicting thing. I don't have this back and forth. Like
for me, I've nipped that in the butt and cut
that off and said it is what it is. And
I'm not gonna lie to myself and I'm not going
to deny myself the reality that I see, you know,

(01:51:04):
And so for me, I'm like, there's no talking down,
there's no compromising, there's no backing up. I'm not giving
you a goddamn mench because you have showed me if
I give you an inch and take a mile like
like like you know. And the thing is, I don't
know all of history, but I know enough history and
I've seen the tactics before. There are books out there
that tells you strategically what they're doing, and if you

(01:51:26):
are aware and alert, you will go ain't no motherfucking wiyh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Not on my watch.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
You would not be hemming, you would not be hoeing,
you would not be going back and fuck, You'll be
absolute and resolute and how you felt. And I'm to
that point right now. And when you feel like that,
you not try funny. You don't want to hear other
people's opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
And then there's a couple more things too, like I
recognize I'm not the problem, right, You just want to
argue with me because it's something to distract you. I'm
not real to you. I'm not you're not recognizing my
my realness meaning I can't do but so much. My

(01:52:07):
Twitter account, my podcast, if it was as effective as
you deem it to be. Then the world would have
listened to us and com lash be president and we
be arguing about whether or not she's good enough on gaza.
On gaza and whether she's good enough on poverty, and
whether she's good enough on the economy. We wouldn't be
arguing what we're arguing now. And so I'm not in

(01:52:31):
it for the argument. I'm not in it for the
content of it. I'm a person. I'm just giving my opinion,
but I'm not This is not We're not equals. We're
not going back and forth. It's not a game. To
me and for me these folks, it is a game
because you're you think that this to you, this is
like arguing is Michael Jordan better than Lebron with some
American And to me it's much more serious than that,

(01:52:53):
and nothing you can bring up as these rhetorical points
it's gonna sway me, mostly because everything thing that you're
saying is something that I was on the side of.
Meaning if you're going, well, I wanted the best for God,
and no, I think I wanted the best. I think
I wanted more than you did. Because what you're doing
right now where we're all sitting here watching these people

(01:53:15):
be eradicated, and there's literally you're they're still running up
on democratic people that don't even have the funck because
they're afraid of the Republicans who have the power. This
is what I thought would come to pass is what
is coming to pass. And I don't see anyone going
back and going shit, I should have listened. You guys
are right. They're sending Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio over

(01:53:36):
there to oversee the genocide that is much worse. No
one wants to admit what this is worse. So therefore
we can't even have a discussion about what would be
better as a solution. And then I could That's one example.
I could go through every example. So whatever you want
to talk about poverty, immigration, I can always point to

(01:53:59):
what I wanted. It was better than what the result
that we got. And I don't think politicians learned the
way that you think they learned. Where they go, we lost,
let's double down on radicalism. I think they go, we lost, Well,
what did the people who beat us deal? Or they
were way more conservative? I guess we should be more conservative.
That's what they learned. Typically, So yeah, at any rate,

(01:54:22):
I'm not gonna go back and forth with people like
that because you listen to me, I don't listen to
you like that. That's just the rules. It's not trying
to be like a dick about it, but like, this
is not an exchange of ideas, and more than likely
they don't even listen to our podcast. It's just a
guy who reads my tweets and I guess doesn't like them.
And I alleviate you of not liking those tweets. You

(01:54:44):
are now free to go being someone else's mentioned arguing
about a country you don't live in, and what this
black person who does live here and has had to
deal with these folks who are in charge on a
daily basis and the information that comes. You know, it's
like what I told Apia when she was, you know,
talking about stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but in Germany,

(01:55:06):
I don't know, right, and it's just difficult for people
to accept. But I know my experiences, but I don't
know that they apply to your experiences. I don't know.
It's like being a woman, you know, I don't like
I can have empathy, I can have theories, but I
don't want to insult you with my theories because you
probably thought of every fucking possible thing I could think of.

(01:55:27):
You know what I mean, Like, you live this, So
if I come over and go, what did you think
about it? Like you fucking dummy? Of course I thought
about that. You know, I thought about that when I
was twelve. So you know, when someone anyway, it's all
content and entertainment online for people. So to me, I'm
just to this guy, We're just a guy, a passing distraction,

(01:55:49):
and he's already stopped living and thinking about us. The
second after I don't respond to him, he's already somewhere
going who's the next black person I can argue with
on Twitter?

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
And so for me, I'm like, it's not worth my
time and my biggest thing, I'm not going to argue
about my humanity period. I've given that up. I have
the right to be here just like everybody else, and
so when it comes to my humanity, I will fight
for my humanity. I will fight for your humanity. But
what I'm not gonna do is argue against somebody who

(01:56:21):
doesn't care about my humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
And lastly, if you could accomplish what you wanted to accomplish,
I would support it agreed. That's where everybody always gets
this fucked up. And that's why I don't see the
value and arguing with me. If you were like, listen, man,
we need Democrats who are way more radical. I would
vote for way more radical Democrats. So how am I
the problem get them in office? I can tell you why.

(01:56:44):
I also would vote for the Democrats we have based
on the choices we have. But also, if you like,
if you were like, well this mom, Donny Yade, like,
let's go with him too, fuck it? What you think
I'm the problem? Like, no, you haven't caught up to
me yet anyway, last one.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
About to say, And I also I wanted to comment
on the the voicemail when you were talking about me,
when the person was talking about me not saying that
the candidate doesn't have to be perfect. And the thing
is he talking about like the swings, and the thing is,
it doesn't take a heavy swing to be devastating. That's
what people fail to realize. It doesn't take a heavy

(01:57:25):
ripple in the water for somebody to be drowned. And
people don't understand that you have people that are barely
surviving and all it takes is one cut one slice,
one thing of them not qualifying, and before you know it,
they're in poverty. Before you know it, you know they're
living in their cars, you know. And I will still

(01:57:47):
say this, most Americans are under the illusion that they're
going to be okay, even a lot of black people.
That's why a lot of us say some crazy shit.
Don't wine when it's like, nigga, if you you know,
if you lost your job for a whole more, you
will be out on your ass. You are not above
you know, these people online because everybody thinks that they

(01:58:07):
will never be homeless. Everybody thinks that they won't lose
their house like And that's the illusion, that American individualized
illusion that if something happens to you, it is your
fault and it's not the government's responsibility. It's not society.
We're not supposed to put in safety nets to help
people when things go wrong that are out of the control.

(01:58:27):
And so you know, that goes back to why I
don't want to argue and talk to people because at
the end of the day, I blame the people. And
because I blame the people, everybody wants to blame a
lot of these people you talk to, they want to
blame everybody but the populace, and I blame the people.
So when I'm like, no, bitch, is your fault. You
should have voted, you should have did this, you should
have did that. I don't want to hear anything else
outside of that. We can't talk about certain things because

(01:58:49):
you all I hear from you is excuses why the
people didn't do what they wanted to do because guess what,
like like Roderick say, if we would have had it
Joe way, we wouldn't have been here in the first place.
But since we're here and this is the reality that
we live in, it's the people's fault. And I don't
want to hear anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Yeah, I would have supported y'all if y'all got the
Green Party in a position to win. Y'all didn't agree,
you didn't, y'all not doing y'all job, and then you
just getting mad that the Democrats aren't just moving out
the fucking way. It's it's stupid. But anyway, last voicemail, Karen.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
Uh, it's me. You mind also down to catch up
episode and miss the call about the sea sweet heat Chicken. Yeah,
I'm just now getting to the episode and I was like, oh, wow,
there's new. I've been in public and I haven't seen it,

(01:59:41):
so maybe public got it first. But what I have
had is the peach chicken tinger subs.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Oh that sounds I had those peach heat sweet chicken
tenders before. They also sell them just like on the
where you can just woman back up or whatever. Uh,
but you can get them as a sub too. But yeah,
I tried them before, and uh yeah, they they are good.
But because of changes, I'm trying to make them my diet.
I was, so I was more excited to see a

(02:00:18):
peach heat peach heat rotisserie chicken than I was the
fried chicken tenders because chicken they use the same they
I don't get the sub really, but the chicken fried
chicken tenders are them. Chickens are the same chickens from churches.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
The Delicious though them are.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Chicken saus chickens. Chickens them is not there's no animal
that is that size. That is no, that's a that's
a velocent raptor anyway.

Speaker 7 (02:00:55):
Which is really as well.

Speaker 4 (02:00:58):
I enjoyed that as I am.

Speaker 7 (02:01:01):
I set up episode because I had a volunteer hours
to complete for I do the children's confinement sell things
so keep the costs of children's clothing down.

Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
So you have the volunteer so you can get those peaks.

Speaker 7 (02:01:19):
Shopping hours so you can get all the really good stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:01:22):
But anyway, I have, I had peble ships to do.

Speaker 7 (02:01:25):
To volunteer for, and I stacked up episodes so I
could just see down and as their at the consignment seal,
doing my work and minding my business and laughing and
myself I listening to this podcast and it was great,
and I'm happy anniversary to some point on that as well.

(02:01:47):
But I hope you guys well, it sounds like you
guys had a great time. I did see it all
Facebook University again. But also y'all are so great and
I love just how young has bloomed and blossomed because
before it's like sometimes about you know, her puns and

(02:02:09):
the jokes and getting into.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
There and speaking up. It's been so fat and I
love it.

Speaker 7 (02:02:15):
It made emotional last.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Week and I was like, why I get so serious,
Like it's so beautiful. You said something that was so funny.

Speaker 7 (02:02:23):
It's like I am jiggas niggas.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
I think that was it, and I just I was
like I.

Speaker 7 (02:02:29):
Was laughing I'm like, oh, yes, I love hearing, But
all right, y'all have a great one.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
Bye, thank you, thank you, bye bye. That's huh hilarious.
But I wouldn't admit for those of you that's been
listening for a long time, I have really my voice
has grown. I have grown. I went from what the
fuck is the podcast? Where the rules of regulations kind
of owned this. You know, you can get rid of

(02:02:59):
me at any time. I literally told Roger Dad. I
was like, well, I'll be a producer, like somebody in
the background, Like, ain't I ain't trying to be out
there with you, you know, because initially I was like, well,
this is your vision and your dream. I didn't realize
I was gonna be a part of it. And so
now it's our vision and our dream.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
Now it always was I My dream included you being
part of it. So it was never a time where
it was considering that you wouldn't be here for me.
I just you know, if that's what I have to
allow you to believe to keep you coming, that's fine.
But I think you know, a few three four thousand
episodes later, we probably got a pretty good groove going,

(02:03:38):
and yeah, we're always growing every day and changing every
day and trying to get better every day. It's one
of the reasons that I decided that you know, you know,
with obviously with Karen's approven that we weren't ever gonna
cover any more of these people that write in about like,
you know, how do you talk to each other? How
come you did this? Why didn't you say it that way?

(02:03:58):
Because it just at the end of the day, we're
we're trying as hard as possible to make it good
and work, but we got to be ourselves. And no
one's ever had a conversation about Karen speaking up more
than me and Karen, period, none of you. There are
zero people that can ever write in and be more
I you know, it's to that point where I'm like,

(02:04:21):
it didn't interrupt.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
Me, Yeah, you gonna tell me to be more comfortable,
cut the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
Person off like it's okay with like conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
His biggest thing was be more aggressive, because you know,
because of me and my personality, I don't want to
be mean, I don't want to be rude, I don't
want to interrupt. I want you to get your complete
thune out there. And you know, it's like it's not
gonna be a good timing. And I will admit another
really really good training ground was being on three Guys

(02:04:49):
on I'm not gonna lie because you know, it's it's
like playing jump rope, you know, you just you just
jump in with you jump in and if you fumble
it up, that's okay. The ropes will keep going and
you just and well, you know what, you're back on
rhythm again.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
Yeah, so you just yeah, And of course you've been
doing great. I think I was saying last week, you know,
like the interview stuff. I love how much you bring.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
In questions, effort more aggressive.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
Yeah, and you know, the innertime like putting chiming in
with jokes and observation and quips. Even if I don't
catch it, we have an audience. The audience is gonna
catch it. You know. They might be mad that I'm
not catching it, but they also don't know what the
fuck my job is, so they don't know what my
like the hundred other twelve things on the screen to

(02:05:33):
keep this motherfucker float. But yeah, so uh yeah, of
course you're killing it. And uh I always love to
see y'all giving her flowers because.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
My bad puns and stuff earn those flowers.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
All right, y'all, thank you for the flowers. Even though
y'all didn't give us any five star reviews, that's fine,
that's fine. Hopefully next week we won't have to throw
in the extra commercial recerd too. And that's it for
this episode of Feedback. We'll talk to you guys throughout
the week. I may take my birthday off, which I

(02:06:10):
think is a Tuesday, so I may take Tuesday. We'll
see how I feel. But you know, you guys know
we'll play it by here and yeah, we'll talk to
you guys soon. Thank you so much for supporting us.
Thank you for everybody signed up for the Patreon. Thank
you for everybody that goes to the Black Eyed who
took slash Premium becomes a premium listener. Thank you to
everybody that donates. Like I said, I'm not that was

(02:06:31):
not a cry for help. That's just facts. Like I
log in the PayPal it's like revenues down twenty percent
this month, and I was like fucking tramp.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
Too.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
So yeah, man, So for y'all that continue to like help,
and I know you're getting something for it, but still
there's a lot of people asking for money, a lot
of different things providing different content, and everybody ain't got
the five. So thank y'all, Thank y'all, and shout to
everybody that's that's putting in on this.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Allow us to really be confident, say what we say
with our whole chest and never feel bad about it
and uh and come back and do it again the
next day. All right, y'all, talk to you later until
next time. I love you, I love you.

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