September 29, 2025 • 62 mins
Rod and Karen banter about delicious churros, Birthday sex, Karen’s nerdy rant, Facebook birthday hack, Karen’s super hero skit idea, physical stores not having routine items, and Ezra Klein debates Ta'Nehisi Coates.
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
I did a guest spot on Insanity Check, which should
be coming out soon for the Okay, for those of
you that miss Chris doing the Sanity Check, you know
them old.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
School go way back with Chris, Like literally, I think
he was doing his podcast before us. I think I
asked him about how to get the equipment for podcasting,
and uh so without us, I really, without him, it
really wouldn't have been to us because he really helped
us out in many ways. But obviously he's a friend
(01:34):
and friend of the show. We used to be able
to go down the time, but then he stopped podcasting
for a long time. So yeah, you should definitely check
out Caring on that. I actually saved the episode to
listen to today.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Mm hmm. I had a great time and it was
good to to to chop it up with him and
stuff like that, particularly somebody that steps away and comes
back and things like that. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
All right, you got any banter?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I do?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right? Do you have any.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Talks to me?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Do you have any Do you have any banter? Banter? Banter?
Banter banter? Do you have any banters?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Talk to me?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you have any bank banter?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
All? Don't care, I do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We was eating some cheerros the other day and Roger
said that the cheerios he was eating tasted like Santa
claus Is Penis.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's less of a random thought for you and more
of something funny that I said.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But then I thought, if Santa Claus Dick did taste
like this, I think I might eat it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
The charos was like or flavor or something.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
They were absolutely deious. We were dipping them in the south.
I was like, I was like, Santa, you wouldn't make it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I said. I was trying to be shocking to
Karen when I said it, But I stand by my
comment though, I think that is probably what it would
taste like. Uh. You know, I was gonna say, uh,
miss Santa Claus's nipples, but you know, we were in public,
we were in a polite company. Nah. I just thought
it was it was funny, and Karen thought it was hilarious,
(03:29):
so it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It was it was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Cause then you got me thinking m had to do
that gifting.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was like, you know what I'm like, if you
had to blow the gingerbread.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm just saying, come on, oh my turn. Speaking of sex,
you know, I just know what I'm not a fan
of for my birthday. It's birthday sex. I don't like
getting the gift of sex for a present. I don't
think it's I don't think it's kind as a gift.
And the main reason I don't like it is because
(04:03):
it's birthday sex. It's for me.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
If I look down and you're enjoying it too, So
now you just getting off of my gift. Yes, you
got yourself something. I didn't really get me anything.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Really.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
The sex, the that's that's just normal how sex supposed
to go. You're both supposed to enjoy it. Yes, it's
not really a gift. No one's taking on a burden
for the other person. When it's Karen's birthday and she
wants birthday sex. I try to look nonplus, I try
to look completely like I'm not like. This is about you,
(04:38):
not me. Okay, whatever, my pleasure is secondary. This is
all Today is your day. Okay. I'm not even gonna
get off. I'm not even that's because that would that
would be too selfish. I'm just a machine, okay with you.
But I don't like it. Birthday sex is overrated, I
said it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, and then they thing is I really do love
your baby. We had went out to eat to a
restaurant and we was listening to a nerd podcast and
they had said something that kind of struck something in
my brain. I don't know why, but it struck something
in my brain. So why Roger is trying to eat breakfast?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Bless his heart?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
He sat there, unlet's listen to me go about twenty minutes.
I don't know why. I felt like I I had
to get it out my system. Twenty minutes about the
new Xbox handheld steam switching from I was just thrent
and the rimbling, not really renting, but just kind of
expressing them, you know, different ways about how I feel,
you know, about the systems and the and the cost
(05:42):
and you know, and and just really really merdy, like
merdy nerdy shit. And he understood the things that I
was talking about. And so I appreciate being able just
to uh uh when things kind of tick my brain
like that and kind of causes me to, you know,
won't want to express those things that you just wouldn't
sit and listen to me.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Uh that doesn't Yeah, it was fine. I mean I
was trying to read a comic book. But you know,
do you go out to dinner, people talk and or
lunch or breakfast or whatever. And I like those topics,
you know, I care about them too. So we were
having a discussion. You just got very passionate. It wasn't
like I wasn't listening or like I didn't have anything
to contribute. I was letting you say what you wanted
(06:25):
to say. But no, I mean it all made sense.
And uh, you know, I love that I have a
wife that's a nerd. It doesn't you know. I like
that you're into that stuff. I care about those things,
so you know, it was cool to be able to
have that kind of conversation. There's a lot of people
that feel like their nerds, but they alone in their relationship,
right or you know, we're all different human beings. But
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you know there's that thing where like you like something
and the other person either doesn't like it or doesn't care,
and it can give the feeling that they just don't
even care about you or what you have to say.
But you know I was listening because I you know,
I had all those thoughts too. Let's see, Oh, I've
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found a hack for birthday posts on Facebook. I suggest
everybody do it, but I know some of y'all probably
too selfish to do it. Y'all like the extra attention
and it's your birthday, so if you like it, I
love it. But for me, I don't like the extra
attention on my birthday post. Not that I don't like
people wish me have birthday, but my brain goes, oh,
(07:28):
you have to respond to everybody. You need to like
their comment, you need to let them know. And now
that I'm like more popular than I than a quote
unquote average person, I'm not going to respond to thousands
of people on the I'm not gonna respond to thousands
of people on the internet, you know, like even yeah,
(07:50):
you know people text or whatever. So it's cool and
I appreciate it. But what I realized is my hack
is whenever you guys go on Facebook and you go
to your front page, what do you normally see? So
I'm not saying for y'all that go into the notification,
have it turned on to be like let me check
(08:12):
and see whose birthday it is today. I'm just saying,
when you go to the front page, I almost never
see it's my birthday post. Mm mmm. I see them sometimes,
but very rarely what I normally see, and it could
just be me. I see the thanks for all the
birthday wishes.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I see the person respond.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Which is the post you make the day after your
birthday and then people go happy belated birthday because you know,
I mis so now you got another round of notifications
of every and sometimes you get more on that than
the like it's my birthday post. So the hack that
I created, guys, my life hack. I only post on
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my birthday, not the day after. I only post thanks
for all the birthday wishes, and you know, say what
I gotta say that, you know, I appreciate y'all. Blahlah blah,
learn so much. So now people respond and they either
post happy birthday because it is my birthday and they're
paying attention, or like Mike Caplan texted me on my
(09:16):
birthday for the record, and he was like a happy
birthday ish because he thought he had missed.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It all right, right right, because when it's phrase like that,
people assumed that it's like a day or two after.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, he said, he said happy birthday ish, and I said,
it's still my b day, thanks man, And he said,
whoo saw your post thanks for the birthday wishes. So
I thought it might be in the past, which technically
is Mike Caplan. I could have done the whole thing
about how technically everything's in the past or whatever. I said,
(09:53):
I posted it because that's normally the post everyone sees
after you've already had all your wishes the first day.
Then they feel bad for being late, but now they'll
find out they're actually right on time. He said, Hahi,
are you're a wise man? I said, I hear you
get wise? Is you age? And I can't wait for
next year? Yeah, and it's it's like I'm giving them
a gift. You thought you were late, but you were
(10:13):
on time. You were on time, So yeah, that's the
new birthday hack guys.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Or either this wasn't really a hack, but be like me.
When I graduated from college, I made a time and
era in the day in the time when I graduated
from school, I had it an hour earlier than the
event was actually supposed to be and I didn't realize
I had sent it out like that. So most of
everybody showed up like early, and then my family that
(10:43):
was late, they actually showed up on time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And then they was like, you tricked us to show
up on time. I said, I didn't trick on time.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was saying, I'm glad you got to see because
I would have had it for you to miss it
because you was outside the parking lot because you was
running late. So do little tricks like that when when
you know folks is.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Gonna be bele like just.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The time my durm, Yeah, yes, sir. Now this one
it's like a it's almost like a skit that I
came up in my brain and I don't know if
it's gonna make sense or not, but I just.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wanted to share it with y'all.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I wish that I wish I had a skit of
a superhero like you know, Captain America, you know Miss Marveled,
you know, Wonder Woman or whatever. I wish I had
a skit where they do this thing that people do
and they like sit down in front of them signs
that would like prove me wrong type of thing, and
(11:40):
somebody basically challenges them to be a hero without using
their superflowers and the hero does shit like activism. So
they started going to the polls going through the door,
and they were like this shit is hard, like it
is hard as shit, like me just wine over everybody
(12:01):
looking at the bigger picture, punching the punch of people
in the face.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
But like people that actually got to actually do like
the groundwork for the masses. It's different. I'm knocking on doors,
running for.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Local offices and shit like this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I think that that would be an interesting skit, Like,
you know, in my brain, I was thinking, Yeah, that
would be a very interesting skit to have.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You don't have powers, but you just have to be
a different type of hero. Yeah, I actually think. You know,
that's a trope in a lot of comic books and
TV shows that I like is when sometimes they dis
like they take the power away from the hero, meaning
they can't like, oh, you lost your powers, Like Superman three,
I think he loses powers, but then it gets to
(12:50):
the core of why you're a hero, like they did
the Captain America. I just recently read a run of
his book where it has flashbacks to before he had
the Super Soldier serum and then flash forwards to him now,
and they showed how he like foiled a plot, a
Nazi plot back before he even had Super Soldier serum.
(13:13):
But it wasn't but he didn't win a single fight.
It wasn't like he couldn't like it was no espionage,
but like he would go. They had these rallies that
these like Nazis would have trying to recruit people in
America to join the cause, and he went to the
rallies and shouted them down and all this stuff. And
so I like that because it gets to like the
(13:36):
core of a hero isn't the power set. That's what
we get obsessed with, and it's what makes the movie fun.
But I like when you get to the core, like
a hero would try to find a way to help
even if they couldn't flower everybody, even if it was
hard and difficult, and they would have respect for that
work because it takes all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It does. In another kind of little skinny thing I
had in my brain something similar, but like a jubilee
have a hero sit down and it's like one hero
versus like twenty, like people that are kind of anti hero,
you know, coming at the hero and having a hero
(14:14):
quote unquote explain themselves and things like that. And they
would say things like they did their own research, and
they would say stuff like they would demand Nick Furies
a birth certificate and claim that he lied on his
resume and shit like that, and I think it would
be they would say shit like the super serum gave
you AIDS and you know you have like a third
(14:35):
leg and shit like that, And I would find that
just as a waste of time for superheroes, Jubilee, complete
waste of time.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I love that. To sket would point out how much
of a waste of time it is, like you could
be helping people, but you hear talking these fucking idiots,
right Hey, I like.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That too, yeah. Uh and uh the person would uh
you know, be like it in you know the people
we like, well, no, we didn't ask for your help.
You could just you know, you could just you know,
let us, you know die and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know you're doing you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Damage on the buildings when you know when you come
through here, who's gonna pay for that?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
My insurance goes up? And you know, shit like that,
you know, because.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's another superhero trope, Like it's in a lot of
comic books. Spider Man deals with that kind of shit. Uh,
I love Yeah, I like those tropes too, the like
the responsibility to the community that never asked you to
do this extra vigilante justice. But you know, the story
always kind of comes back to, like the theme is
like you're part of the community and you're you have
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a role in protecting the community, and more people than
not will realize that you are doing it for the
right reasons, you know, like like there's so much corny
shit to learn from comic books that just it applies
to life that I think is it's worthwhile, Like even
the ones where you just question, like why does Batman
(15:58):
have authority to do any thing more than just what
a police officer could do. But then ultimately, you know,
you see the need for that in some cases because
we all kind of wish we had people like that
in real life that we don't have to have. Agree
that's it, Okay. I went to office Max today and
(16:21):
I was trying to buy a seat cushion for my
chair because I wanted like an ergonomic support thing, you know,
to just keep my back whatever, keep my butt less sore.
And office Max doesn't sell the cushions for office chairs,
And when I went up there to ask about it,
(16:43):
she was like, oh, we don't sell that. Probably got
to go to best Buy or Walmart. And best Buy
is next door. So I went to the best Buy
next door, walked in and they did have a woman
standing by the front and they had some employees in there.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Which I was a little surprised, right because they normally.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Lately it's been looking like an Amazon warehouse.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
In best right, you better figure it out. That's like
they've been looking at you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I went in and she was like, hell to
help you with something, and I was like, yeah, I'm
looking for like seat cushions for like an office chair. Uh,
you know, it's just shot in the dark. Since you
know office Max told me they don't have it your
office Max And she was like, we don't have that.
You might want to check out like a Walmart or
something like that, or she said you could go online
(17:26):
and order. She said, our online store has it, but
not us like physically in here. Okay, So I went
to Walmart and they did have them in there. But
it was a bit surprising that like places that sell
office chairs wouldn't have that because, like you.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Said chairs, you said a desk like you said, like itels.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Like an office thing. I knew every office I worked in.
I mean shit, a lot of the office I worked
in physically, they would actually be like, would you like
an ergonomic support. We will get you one. We will
get you no charge to you. We're just trying to
keep your back straight.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Right so that you can be here longer.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I was a little spy that right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Like Office max and Office Depot, y'all, whole job is
you got office in the name. I don't understand this.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, like that's a routine thing, and I wonder if
that's just how much Amazon is won. You know, I
don't even keep that ship in stock because if somebody's
looking for it, more than likely just gonna order it
online and get it mailed to them. So why why
would we even keep that here?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like we used to have them in stocked when people
used to look find the one they won't and then
turn around and just order it online. So it was like,
why do we even have that here anymore?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I guess that is possible, that's a part of the
scenario too, But I guess in my mind, it's like
if it was in stock, and it seemed like it
would be better to just be able to get it,
like to something like that feels like you get it
when you get it, Yes, Like if my back is hurting,
why I'm gonna come in your store, shop around and
be like I'll wait. But I guess, you know, but
(18:50):
maybe maybe I'm overthinking it because I guess with shipping
being short now, yeah, you could back in the day.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It was like longer we're going to the store actually mattered.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But I wonder if you're even finding it cheaper than
what it is in best Buy because best Buy is
already kind of you know, like Amazon, like they're not
like the mark ups inside the story. Best Buy isn't crazy,
isn't like, man, the website got a completely different price.
You're not saving money, you know you're not, But man,
I was kind of that was a little surprising, very surprising.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Guess I'm just guy that's like, you're going there and
they tell you they ain't got the little flow masts
that you roll your chair on. We don't have him.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You're like, seem like you would just have anyway office ship,
your office max and depot. Did you have more? You
was done? Okay, I do God, I'll keep going go ahead.
Ezra Klein talked to Tana hose Coats on his podcast
for like an hour a little over an hour yesterday.
The only reason I know because I stopped listening to
(19:46):
his podcast. But same, Randolph Terrence, you know, my brother.
You know, I got so much trouble on my mind.
Confused to lose that his things. That's my man. So
he always you know, he's always ready for the race war,
and he's a he knows I'm a fan of Coats
and he's a fan of Coats, and uh, you know,
(20:07):
we make jokes like my you know, my good friend
Ta he was on Letterman last night or whatever. You know,
we'd like make jokes with each other like that. But
at any rate, Coats was on there, and Coats had
written this response to Ezra Klein's article that basically said
Charlie Kirk did politics the right way and so they
(20:29):
was coming to have like a little intellectual discussion, polite
disagreement about it. And I have many thoughts. The whole
show could be about my thoughts because I actually went
and listed a whole thing, like I didn't just do
online snippets or a minute like nobody can get me
with the well, if you keep listening to context, was
this you don't know I did, though I do know,
(20:53):
but I listened to this discussion, and uh, you know,
I'm a big fan of Coats. Honestly, man, I at
times it made me emotional listening because he was so
on point and so smart and so able to artic
I mean, it's like it's writing, you know, but sometimes
writers don't translate that in person, like live it's is
(21:13):
not as sharp. But he was. He was very sharp.
And it wasn't adversarial. It wasn't like and there and
they and apparently Coach has done that podcast a lot
of times. They are friends, whether that's the working title
with friends or that really friend friends. So what it
made me think was, you know, the deep amount of
(21:34):
respect I have for Coach because Coach wrote that article
that called out clients piece they have a relationship. So
that wasn't just a I'm gonna do this, and you know,
I don't plan to see or talk to you. You're
just some some some person with an opinion. To me,
it's like, no, I'm writing this thing about a friend
(21:54):
who I think is wrong, and we're having this discussion
in public, you know. And I and Ezra Klein's podcast
is the kind of podcast where I think if you
disagree with him and you wanted to come on there,
that I don't think it's bad, Like I think that's
a good place to go have a disagreement. I don't
think it's like Jubilee or even like maybe even like
(22:19):
a Joe Rogan ish or something like. I feel like
that's a good place to have a discussion with somebody
where you should both approach it in good faith and
you can disagree, but at least you know where y'all
stood at the end, and maybe even the mind might
be changed. Although that seems rare and rare these days, right,
But Coach goes on there, He's great. You know, there's
(22:42):
many holes in the klind argument to me, but the
main thing I took away is that, and I don't
sometimes it's just as simple, and you wish it would
be more complicated. I wish I could make it, say
it in a way that everyone would be able to understand.
But I'm the only way I can explain it is
the way that the people that listen to this that no, no,
(23:06):
Tanahasei Coast is a black man, Ezra Klein is not.
And that's really the crux of all of it. There's
just no you know, It's how It's why I say
I'm not debating polity. I don't even I don't find
much to discuss at this point because so much of
this is so obvious to me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's like when you say something like, well, Kamala Harris
actually lost because she's a black woman. A person like
Ezra Klein can't accept that answer, right, because that's not
an answer you can go out and change people's minds with.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You can't say, hey, this like we as black people
are always prepped for the loss because America's had a
lot of losing when it comes for standing up for
black people. Right, We've had way more losing than when
a whole lot. And you can't see that because as
(24:04):
a person, a white person or a person who aligns
with whiteness in a certain type of way, with a
certain type of white political thought, you can't even accept
that sometimes you lose.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's the part of fighting.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You think you can always win, and the goal should
be to always win, and that the goal, and that
you should be like thinking about how you're gonna fix
when you lose by completely doing something different. Like there's
a couple of statements that he said where I was like, oh,
he doesn't even understand how your brain has been affected
(24:41):
by this. Like one of the things he said was
like you know, and then like he like he was like,
I forget the exact wording, but it's something to the
effect of like, well, you know, Obama won, then then
Trump won, then over Hillary, and then Biden barely one,
(25:01):
and then Trump won and I was like, right, but
you know what the truth is, And all three of
those were they were all barely. There was no mandate,
there's no there was no like overarching like oh wow,
one of them it was sixty forty. All the all
the elections in America are coming down to very hairline numbers.
(25:24):
But you feel because you've been so pessimistic with our Democrats,
and you spend a lot of time just talking about
just how Democrats da da da, you have surrounded yourself
in a feeling of loserdom, like like you're you're you
think you're on a team that lost by forty when
you're on the team that lost a heartbreaking overtime, lost
(25:44):
in an uphill battle where you had to switch the
quarterback out in the third quarter, and you're still walking
around like, well, we'll never win again unless we completely
change everything we were doing. We got to throw the
whole team away. It's like you lost in overtime, the
clock ran out, like you can you can if you
played that game again, you could you could win, right,
(26:06):
But he's looking for like some feeling a blowout, right,
he wants a blowout, He wants a he wants a
sixty forty like sixty percent of the country supports Democrats,
and the only way that his mind can comprehend that
is essentially to compromise democratic values and say, hey, maybe
(26:27):
we drop some race stuff. May we drop some some
pro some pro choice stuff. Maybe we drop some trands stuff.
May we drop all these things so that we can
bring people into the party. And what's important about that?
And I'm sorry to keep because I had as much
shorter thought. Sorry to come on here, but what's important
about that? What he's saying in addition to morally being
(26:50):
a bit repugnant in my opinion, not calling him morally repugnant,
but just the idea of like, damn, I don't I
don't think you can really sell all this hope and
change shit and then be like yeah, but not for
gay people. And one of the things he knocked Obama
on in there was kind of plauted for kind of
but we've seen them knock Obama on was gay marriage.
And it's like, you can't knock Obama on gay marriage
(27:12):
for two thousand and eight and then be like, but yeah,
we gotta give up on people's rights, like that cost something.
That cost something with the gay community when that happened.
That wasn't just a harmless thing stance that he had.
Now none of us really seemed to believe that he
was homophobic. We just thought he was scared and we
(27:32):
were like, but we think you're popular enough to get
it past. He might not have been you know, they
floated the research and all that shit, or he might
have been like this, how I get my second term?
I don't know. My point being, you can't be like,
we're going to have these people in the party, because
this is what the thought process is. People that like
(27:54):
Charlie Kirk and people who are Charlie Kirk's, people who
go to Trump, people who went from a Obama to Trump.
The assumption that these guys always make is that it
was a political message that caused a switch, and you know,
Coach brought it up like, you know, they're societal things
that are happening too, Like I like, to this day,
(28:15):
I don't like I say this soberminded. I think Obama
ran up almost damnar flawless fucking run right. I do too,
But to this day, we don't have an economic crash.
He's not president, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Do people not understand.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That if the if the goddamn automobile companies don't need
a complete bailout house and market yet, but if they
don't need a bill out at that time, and McCain
is basically being like, fucking let him go bankrupt, when
Obama's like, no, that's crazy, we gotta save that industry.
That's why he won. I still remember that that was
(28:51):
only a few weeks before it's trying to vote, and
that shit like his favorability immediately swung and like, Okay,
this motherfucker is not crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Crazy person just wouldn't have let everything tank, right, But.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If the economy wouldn't been fucked up, if it wouldn't
have been something that need to be saved, I don't
know that he went agreed Joe Biden, if not for COVID,
if not for the economy coming out of COVID, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That he wins agreed.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We keep acting like that. And the reason I say
it's not fair is because when Hillary loses and Kamma
loses its messaging, but when Boden won, they didn't give
him credit for messaging, if nothing else. Ezra Klein was
writing about how he should have stepped down he was
supposed to win on his messaging and then immediately stepping
down somebody else more progressive. Come run this country, not
(29:45):
not me, the guy who won. You're not gonna it's
And the reason I say that had to point it
out is because if you were talking about messaging, you'd
be like, no, Biden's messaging was perfect, Like I love
what Biden was saying. He was he was the right.
He won because he was right. I knew he was
gonna win from the second he popped up. No, you didn't.
Many of us had him in last many of us
didn't think he was gonna make it right. So all
(30:08):
that to say, it comes back to this question that
this Charlie Kirk thing right. He sees the absolute value
of Charlie Kirk. Look how many eyeballs were on him,
How he wielded that power is sayings morality. The fact
that he had that power is the true morality. And
(30:31):
that's what's admirable. And I feel like only a person
of a certain amount of privilege can fix their mouth
to say that right. It's like it's like saying Hitler
and the Nalge's had good fashions or something. It's like, well, objectively,
I mean the symmetry, it's like, what are we doing?
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Who? Like, you don't even understand. You're so deep into
weeds that the cost of going to get these people
that support Kirk and go to MAGA rallies or you know,
swung to Trump because they didn't like that certain progressive
people online didn't like their language when they were making
jokes or whatever. You never think about what the cost
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is to go get them, because the cost is letting
in the bigotry and giving it up to people. And
more importantly, you don't think that the people here will leave,
and you haven't done that math. And I think, particularly
after Kamala Harris, we're gonna find out. I mean, I'm
hoping it's not a lot of We have no reason
(31:33):
to suspect that everybody that got slapped in the face
is going to stay engaged. I guarantee if we were
to get into like democratic fundraising right now, it's got
to be loved because there's a lot of people who
were the backbone who felt insulted. Yes, and they're not
coming like, they're not just gonna come back because you say, hey,
(31:54):
it's voting time, get back to work. I think you're
gonna see volunteers fall down, You're gonna see your donations
fall down, You're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Your phone banking go down. And and this is something
that I talked about.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Hold one second. I'm sorry. I know I've been talking
a long time, but I just want to finish the point.
But the idea is that bringing in your white guys
who went for Rogan and Trump, bringing them into the
fold will somehow offset that number, or people will just
be so happy they won't mind that with no reconciliation,
(32:30):
with no admission of anything, they will just And I
think that can happen, but only if shit gets so
bad no one cares. But right now, people care. You
can't like people care that you want to bring people
into the fold that were telling us Charlie Kirk was
just a good Christian family man. People care. You just
(32:52):
don't care about us because you think you have us,
so you just taking us for granted. You think our
rights don't need to be respected, because fuck it, your
rights are basically privileged. To me, my rights are inalienable,
but your rights if we can negotiate, I'm sure we'll
get around to your rights get And so that's what
(33:15):
bothers me about that whole discussion. And look, I don't
you know, I don't know ezra kline or any of
that stuff, But this is that negative piece that Martin
Luther King talked about with white moderists like this is it.
This is the moment they shrink. They're not fighters. They
not willing to die for this. They not willing to
stand on nothing. They more willing to court the fucking
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empathy and feelings of the people who Because he kept
talking about drawing a line, it's like, well, what about
us on the left when we draw the line? And
I'm like, what's draw the line? Because he was like,
you know, define that, because he was trying to put
coats on the stand, and I'm like, no, you defined
the line. What's the line? What's the line? Give me
a view, that's the line for you, because what you
(34:02):
will often find is I have not drawn a line.
I've acknowledged the line. So this guy thinks I'm a
nigger and he don't want to be in no party
that would have me, and he don't ever want to
see me be successful, and he would rather he be
unsuccessful as long as I'm unsuccessful. You telling me I
(34:27):
drew a line. I'm not the one unwilling to be
in a party with him. I'm willing to be in
a party where anybody that can drop that racism at
the door. But now you're trying to make it seem
like it's my fault, because I recognize my humanity is
not a fucking negotiable right, not with you, not in
my own party. And there's this lie that happens, and
(34:50):
Ezra Kline trafficked in it, and it's an ego driven line.
They don't lie, they don't know their line. They're lying
to themselves, but they do this thing of like, no,
the people that vote for Trump got their feelings hurt
from the left, and then they went full to the like, well,
I guess I'll just have to stomach voting for a bigot.
It's not that I believe these things, but I just
(35:11):
the left told me not to use the slurf training,
and I can't. Now I have to go over there,
and and and so the reason I call it a
lie because I'm not saying there aren't people that make
that say that. I just don't. I just know that
that's not the fullness of the picture, right, because there's
nothing you can say to me that would make me
a line with a fucking bigot. Nothing right. But what it?
(35:33):
What it? The lie that it has is that it
makes it seem like the left, and I don't mean politicians,
the left, all of us, everyone who is left of
center in America. It acts like the left is not
a place of constant debate, constant pushing of ideas, constant
back and forth. It's the only place where you're really
(35:55):
allowed to have a descending opinion that still stay. They
act like we are kicking people out. That's not what's happening.
You stay, but we let you know. Uh uh. I
didn't like that, and that's it your delicate ego can't handle.
I didn't like that. I'm born black in America. Every
(36:15):
day I wake up. They didn't like that. There ain't
nothing I can do about it, but you could change
your opinion. So if you're transphobic, you could stop being
transphobic tomorrow and I don't have to bring it up anymore.
We can just keep moving the fuck on. Right, But
if I'm black and they've decided I don't like black people,
I can't change that, Ezra. I'm not drawing that line.
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I didn't make that line. I didn't kick them out
of anywhere. They would not have me either, And for
me to let them in and tolerate their racism is
some burden that you don't understand. Defeats the fucking point
of the coalition, right. The goal can't be here's how
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we progress, But let's not progress. Let's just keep it
like it is, because hey, progress is, we'll get around
to it hopefully one day. Maybe. Nah, you gotta fight.
And what I loved about what Coach said is that
you lose sometimes, because that's what I'm at. All this
shit is cyclical. All this shit is cyclical. Imagine telling
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somebody during reconstruction that they couldn't lose again. I'm sure
some people was riding how that first four years of
the eight years, and then black people looked around like, shit,
we're about to lose again. It's about to be fucked
up again until nineteen sixty eight, and we're gonna have
to people gonna die for that to happen, you know.
And so I think that's the point that goes missing
(37:48):
in these conversations, and it's it's sad that it's down
to race, because it shouldn't be down to race. You
should be able to have some empathy for me that
you have for Charlie Kirk. You should be able to
have have that empathy for me and go, yeah, I
can see why that's not gonna work. But they don't.
You know, that's that they're already capitulating because they's so
(38:11):
they think they're ready to give up the ground, because
they think they're gonna lose all the ground. And sometimes
you just have to take that stand to be like,
but nah, not on this and I get it. We
all draw the lot of different places. But that's something
you can only do on the left. The left is
extremely inclusive because the left got Listen, this is what
the left really if you think about it, the left
(38:33):
has people that are all of it. I mean, you
got anti choice, you got transphobes, you got homophobes, you
got racist, you got all of it on the left.
The deal is, though we have more, we look at
what we have in common and go, I'm listen. I
might be uncomfortable with blank, but I'm not uncomfortable enough
(38:55):
to give up you and my rights. That's it. Everybody
ain't gonna be friends or like it.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
That's not the goal.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So when you talk about playing politics, why is it
always the politics of the right wing oppressive bullshit? Why
is it always we gotta play politics when you're making
an excuse for somebody to be a fucking piece of shit.
And I know that he don't really respect how Charlie
Kirk does politics. He say he did it the right way,
but you know how I know he don't know. He
(39:23):
don't really respect that man because I went on YouTube
to see the video of him talking to the tone
Howsee Coats. He was listening, they were thoughtful, he wasn't interrupting,
He adin't call that man no names, and he didn't
title the fucking YouTube video Ezra Kline destroys woke DEI
(39:46):
Liberal affirmative Action writer Tyne Hose Coats right, which is
how Charlie Kirk would have phrased it. What you're saying
is anything that attract eyes is right. That's what you're
saying when you tell me Charlie Kirk did something right.
And if that's the case, then SODA's pulling your dick
out on Fifth Street. I mean, police camera's gonna show
(40:09):
the dude's cameras will show up. I guess I did.
Rod did walking down the street the right way. Millions
of people saw his dick hanging out. It's very insulting
and and like, I love that coach stood steadfast in
thea in the face of that, because I know that's
his homie. But like he didn't. He wasn't mean about it,
(40:31):
but just being like flat footed. That's how I feel.
That's how I am. Like you have to be like,
this is the truth of the thing. It could be
uncomfortable with both of us, but you know the truth
of the thing. I said, the truth of the thing.
You could disagree with it, but you but you will
never be able to say I sat here and lied
to your face and made you feel like I was
(40:53):
to make you feel good. I lied to you. You know,
he called. He said, it's fatalistic to say sometimes we lose.
I say it's realistic and it's historic, and that you're
in denial.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's life.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You're in denial if you think you can the the
country that was founded on genocide and slavery and the
oppression of women to say that that is a default.
You can only win. We should always be winning. Everyone
should be on the same page. Then you didn't understand
(41:27):
the fight because the original fight that came to America,
the bullies won. They won that fight. This is not
a even back and forth. They came superior firepower and
superior whatever in savagery, and they fucking debrutalized people. And
then you want to and then, because I was thinking
about this the other day, but do you understand how
(41:50):
fucking insane the founding fathers had to be to write
that shit that they wrote. What was that discussion like,
was like, we hold these truths to be self evident.
Every man shall uh not? You niggas shut the fuck up.
Every valley has an inablienable bitch. If you don't get no,
you can't have no bank account. Why you keep coming
(42:11):
the here?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Anyway, we all got inalienable rights and we should get
the right to defend ourselves. You you better go to
that motherfucking reservation, bitch. You can't defend yourself.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Is this a is that a hatchet?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
We're killing everybody? Guess what the fuck? Anyway? Back to
the to the peace, I was writing, uh, we all
have the right to liverty and freedom and happiness. Nigga
kicked that fat like you're not fall word like that.
That's crazy. So like it's sad because that racial experiment
(42:48):
has cost us so much, because it should not be.
In my mind, there should be no way that a
right thinking person that claims to be who Ezra Clined
say he is. That should be no way that he
would even arrive to some of these conclusions unless your
experience is so fucking different that you just can't see it.
(43:09):
You read the same history books, you can't see it.
You know, Coach brought up you know how if it's
not for World War two, do you see even the
progress under Lyndon B. Johnson and shit like that? Right,
Clin can't It's like he couldn't hear it. And it's
sad because I think every black person in this coalition
(43:32):
walks around with a little bit of sadness, and I
think everybody of any marginal wized group does. But all
of us feel a little bit of sadness because that's
the homie. Klein is the homie. But to Coach, but
he'll never get it. It's that episode of South Park
where stand Tell's token. I don't get it, But I
(43:55):
guess what I understand is that I don't get it,
you know, because Hok is talking about being the only
black kid and shit, and Stan spends the whole fucking
episode trying to understand and he finally relents with or
I'm not going to be able to truly understand this.
And I think that's the wall that I heard for
that hour that they reached. And you know, I could
(44:17):
make it about Ezra Klein's person but I don't know
that man like that. Honestly, I just know how he sounded,
what it represents, and how is a frustrating discussion that
many of us have felt the need to participate in.
I'm sorry to soap box that because the joke I
wrote was really just about I didn't realize. Yeah, the
joke was really about the YouTube title. But I'm so
(44:39):
sorry to have soap box that character say as much
as you want, I'm gonna drink water.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
No, no, no, you good? And like I said, I
heard snippets and bits of it. I know me and
my personality. I thought about listening, but I do not
think that where I'm at right now, I wouldn't be
able to listen. I'm just keeping it real like, because
(45:04):
everything it's back to I'm mad, I'm angry, and I'm adamant,
and I don't want to hear excuses, and to me, coaches,
from what I heard, Coats is basically coming with these
well thought out, logical shit, and all I hear is well,
why why why?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Why why?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
And see it makes me mad because I'm like, oh,
you're not really listening. You're not really listening.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
It felt like he wanted to win a discussion or
put Coats in some moral quandary, but and shot the
coats man because he really was self aware. And I
think that's something that I don't know if that's something
he's always been and I haven't always been in the
right places to catch it, you know, because like you know,
(45:52):
it's sometimes he were right shit, and I you know,
I'm a fan, like I'm not just a some fucking hater,
but he were right shit sometimes and I'd be like,
I mean, that's a point, but that's not a complete
picture of what you're saying. But this time he was
given a complete picture in a way that I have
so much tremendous respect for people that are that self
aware because he's like he talked about like stuff he's
(46:15):
written about Obama, but also while recognizing Obama's the first
black president, and so some of the things I wish
cast on him are probably things that would not allow
him to be the first black president, right, or he
wouldn't be the two term first black president, or he
wouldn't be as successful.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But I can want things. My black wants are valid.
But I understand that I am always playing the cynical
chess game in America as a black person. When I vote,
I never get a perfect candidate. I never voted for
a perfect message, right. I'm never going to right.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
And that's why I said in my mind, that's why
I said certain things I just don't want to hear.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I understand. Yeah, I respect it, and.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
You know, because it also you're not that funny.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You have to be truthful with yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
And so for this one, I'm actually just being I'm
not saying I'm on ever listen to it, but just
the anger and the vitriol that I have in my
heart against people that don't want to see my humanity
right now, I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I respect it, like I said, I'm not suggesting it
really for you, but I like to listen to these
things in their entirety or not talk about them at all.
I get that because I think too much of our
commentary online is I saw fifteen seconds or something, and
here's thirty minutes of thoughts, and it's like that, and
then it's all covered. When you go look at it,
you like, that's not even what happened.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Agree, So I'm glad you're here to go into that
details things like that, and also to uh and I
know we have to go a little bit, but also
to go back into some of the things you were saying.
I remember when Kamala lass one of the very first
things I said, and I will stick to this, Black
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women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. We vote
at a higher clip than anybody else in this country,
and so in my mind it was it was a
slap in the face to us. So at that period
of time, I said on this show, I was like
a lot of people are gonna get the shock of
their lives when things start happening and they're gonna look
(48:13):
for us and we're not gonna be there. They're gonna
start calling, They're gonna start emailing. Shit's gonna go unanswered,
people gonna step off boards, people gonna be like, I
ain't got time. People, you know, because it's getting to
the point now where people go, oh no, no, no, no,
no no. When I was out here talking and marching,
when I was out here marching on your behalf, somebody
who who who actually don't like me, I was more
(48:36):
concerned about your humanity than you were about mind. You know,
somebody who's actually no understands that when I'm free, we're
all free. If you know, if if I make more money,
we all make more money, the doors open up for everybody. Normally,
you know a lot of people from other nationalities, a
(48:57):
lot of other black and brown people only benefiting, only
get the things that they get is because of black people.
S hear in America's sacrifice. You know a lot of people,
a lot of other black and brown people can get
shipped that I can't even get. And I was fucking
born and raised here, you know, and so as a
slap in the face, and it's in't soafting. So you're
going to get a lot of I'm not gonna give
(49:18):
you no thousand dollars that o a five thousand dollars
that I was because we're the most educated group too well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Also, in the wake of the laws, the message has
been we gotta get less black and less woman, all right.
So it's not just black women responding to like Kamala loss,
I'm mad, it's it's Ezra Klin telling you that you're
right to be in pro choice it should be up
for negotiation within your own party. And if and he's
(49:44):
a nice polite person, but I can do the math.
If you say it about women fifty percent, if not more,
of the party, then you're absolutely saying that about every
other issue because that's the major that's the big minority,
even if they have superior numbers within the Democratic Party, right,
that's the biggest minority group. So you're telling them, yeah,
(50:07):
you're you're right to your own womb is something that
we need to be willing to have you deal with
not having those rights sometimes, right, and okay, where would
you stop?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And that's my thing I feel like and a lot
of people, even a lot of black people, get caught
up in this trope. Whenever you attack a minority group.
I always know that I'm on the list. I don't
have to be your target, to know that I'm your target,
like like like I am also your target when you
start attacking these other groups, I always know that I
(50:41):
am the next in line. And so this is why
I'm always willing to fight and things like that. And
I also I think I have like a fire within
my within my soul right now that I'm like, no,
I'm good, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I think also if a person like Ezra Klein truly
ascribed to the amount of power he gives political figures,
which I think he gives too much power to him.
He's like, but this is how once again they work
backwards the result and then they go write a narrative
and I get it, you're a writer. You have to
come up with a story. But just because you come
(51:15):
up with a story, don't make it true, right, right,
So they work backwards. Obama wins because his is hoping
to change and the messaging not because the economy scared
the shit out of everybody, and a few white people
that would have been like no niggas from me was like, actually,
this time I'll do it. He gonna keep me from
losing my job at the car Plan, right, So, like
we will never give credit to just life life, and
(51:38):
it's got to be something the president did. Same thing
that goes with the economy, Like presidents take credit for
the economy, get blamed for the economy, but often the
time the president doesn't actually determine the economy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Anyway, if he truly believed in political messaging the way
he does some democrat just needs to get on message,
then he wouldn't be telling democrats to compromise their values.
If it's just a message that needs to be wrapped
in a different code of paint and galvanize people. Why
(52:13):
would you ever compromise your value? Isn't it always the
politician's fault for not espousing the values in a way
that changes hearts and minds and makes people emotionally, you know,
value those those things that's right, Like like, I'll give
you another thing about Obama that I thought was interesting.
(52:34):
I'm a pragmatist, I'm a realist. I'm extremely grounded in reality.
It's annoying to people.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
I don't blame you. Rod's and not that gotta float
your conspiracy by you're just gonna tear it apart. Rose
the one that's like, is that what happened is that
the truth?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Rod asks questions.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Rod watches the whole Ezra Kline coach discussion. It just
he I don't want to just go off the handle
if I if I don't you know, if I can
help it right, I just feel like I'm a realist.
So when Obama said everything he said during his campaign,
I listened and I paid attention. And to this day,
(53:17):
I still think the reason I have never been disappointed
in him in the way that some black people are
have been is because I at no point got emotionally
overinvested and assumed anything more than what he was given,
except on I think gay marriage. Gay marriage the only
one where I was like, I think he just thinks
(53:38):
he can't say the truth. But other people took that
with everything. They're like, oh, reparations or you know, being
an anti war or be like like things where he's
I'm like, but no, he said if he had to,
he would be willing to go into Pakistan in the debate.
I just thought he was going to stop all the wars.
It's like, but he didn't.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Ain't never said that that.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I think that he used to be a community organizer.
He used to be an activist, but he's running for president.
He's not gonna be an activist president. I still remember
people being I remember there were black people that were
upset that he said, like during the uprisings of like
Ferguson and stuff like hey man, we gotta be peaceful,
we gotta go back to the house president. And I
(54:21):
remember being on podcasts with a guy who was hot
as mad as how did the fish greez about it?
And I was like, am I fucking tripping? When did
he ever show you the temperament of burn this motherfucker down? Right,
he would have never got the job, and he's president.
I know you didn't expect him to say nothing. Right now,
you get to be disappointed because your black feelings are valid.
(54:42):
But there are feelings. There are feelings and that come
from an expectation that may not be grounded in anything real.
And that's okay that you got those feelings, but they
don't get to for me, supplant reality to where I'm like, well,
if you feel like that, that's what he should have did. No,
I know he's not gonna do it, right. I don't
expect any president to do it except for Donald Trump, Right,
(55:05):
So anyway, all that to say, like, if you truly
believe in political messaging, I think the Democrat that you
want to run is a Democrat that goes up there
and says, we will not abandon anyone. Right. We are
better than this, Our country is better than this. I
believe in our highest values. And maybe you don't address
(55:28):
the deplorables and all that shit, but you but you
get up there and you say, you give the Captain
America speech. You don't give the up to, you don't
give the hey man, look, sometimes you can't have rights.
You get up there and you get all the rights.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Right, We're going to get all the rights, and we
have to fight for it, and we have to demand it.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
And if that message doesn't win, then we just have
to lose. Right.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
That's a part of the process.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Like like it, like I always think it's a part
of the process.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
It's always I'm not It's just I'm not saying as
part of process. It's just always a possibility, agreed. And
if you're not willing to accept that, then you already lost,
because what you're saying is let's just stop fighting for
the rights that we want and just align with them.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
And the last to somebody like me, I'm like, that
means that death to me, No thank you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
And the last thing I'll say too is this a
person like client will never understand how insulting it is.
But the amount of empathy, reverence, love, optimism, hope, commonality
(56:47):
that he sees with people who are racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic,
transphobic Islamah, that is the reason we'll never be able
to trust you.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
I can't have you been on that because that's a
lot of our biggest fears is y'all get in these
rooms together and you put us on the table, you know,
and we're not in any of the seats at the
table either for you, right, And we're not being considered
about shit that you're sitting at a table with us,
but you're longing for them. It's why Bernie Sanders white
(57:31):
working class shit is a trigger for many black people, Yes,
because we know what he's dog whistling and saying is like, oh,
we got your ass where you gonna go? You don't matter?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
You know who matters? The guy who's slurring you. It's
not his fault, it's the economy. I feel sorry for him.
He just doesn't know he's voting against his own interest.
I just need to give a message to him that
he will that will reach him. And it always, it
always takes away their own agency. These people, the ninety
(58:06):
thousand people who got into an arena, and more than
Charlie Kurk, they won't it that you take away their agency.
They're now children, they're babies. They're just out here doing shit. Right.
He couldn't understand the concept of why some black people
eighty percent of black men vote Democrat, twenty percent vote Republican,
And he couldn't understand the concept of just some black
(58:29):
men just conservative and they gonna do that. Yes they
are is It wasn't a message the Democratic Party doesn't
get one hundred percent of anybody, not even black women.
But why we held to the one hundred percent standard
because you don't really care about us, You don't respect
our agency and our autonomy. You don't respect Tanahasee coach,
(58:50):
who was smarter and more verse than this than you,
telling you a truth that you can't handle. So you
had to come up with a fiction. Were these white
people just lost and they don't understand they're not your
real enemy. They just they just need to be told.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
It your real enemy, but they my enemy.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Right, You don't want to accept it. You're saying, I'm
drawing the line when I go, I don't want you
to say racist shit to me? Right? Just why are
we drawing that line? Because it's my humanity on the
line now, it's not yours. You want to have a
debate with the guy about why he's saying the N word,
and then you want to shake hands after no mind's
being changed. You know, to uphold Charlie Kirk as a
(59:28):
guy doing things the right way, and you can't pull
one instance of anybody changing his mind.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
It's very insulting.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
It's smoking mirrors, it's a puppet show and you and
he's got his hand up your ass. You know this
wasn't supposed to get this serious of this long, but yeah,
that's what all that stuff made me think of. And
I'm not saying a guy like as a Klein is
the enemy or Nazi or kicked out of the party.
(59:57):
What I'm saying is he's part of it, and this
is who we're working with now. I wish he would
hear this and think about this. I'm saying, you with us, right,
the people that he's courting are people who said I
refuse to be with them, I'm going to be with Trump.
(01:00:18):
And if he can't see the disconnect that that is
a personal choice they made, personal one that he isn't making.
Like he goes on these podcasts to debate these people,
they're not coming like you're doing the work you claim
needs to be done. Right, are any of them coming around?
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Any of them?
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Like, you know what, I would vote for a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Now they still passing the past policies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Where's your scolding of them then, or where's your go
chastise them about drawing that line. Go chastise them about
kicking people out like they're kicking people out of the country,
you know, go chastise them. Because all of us on
the left, including myself, have gotten a tug from people
more to the left to us. And it's not always
(01:01:02):
a tug that I'm willing to go with, meaning like
sometimes they say something and I'll be like, you got
your motherfucking mind.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that, like like
everybody got everybody got their line, but mine was the
no police.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, but but yeah, it's not the specifics I'm not
trying to debate, it litigated. I'm saying the everyone has.
If you're over here, you done been tugged to the
left with something that you went. No, if you still
over here, that tells you this not an intolerant party. Agreed,
(01:01:35):
you're intolerant to go what. I can't say that I
think women shouldn't be in swimming sports. I can't even
say that. Well, I said that only biological women should
be in there, And we'll go. I disagree. I think
you're being transphobic or I think you know whatever, but
but we're not gonna make you leave. You got your
(01:01:58):
feelings hurt because somebody didn't think you were the greatest
ship on the earth for a second. And then you
went and said, in addition to my point about I'm
against uh anyone who's not born a woman being in
women's sports, I'm also now with taking your fucking freedoms,
taking your rights, taking your your your identification, taking your
(01:02:19):
ability to use the bathroom. And you want me to
go over to that person and go, no, please, I'm nice,
come back, fuck you all right, I gotta wrap up
because that's time to go. But and I but I'll
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
I did a guest spot on Insanity Check, which should
be coming out soon for the Okay, for those of
you that miss Chris doing the Sanity Check, you know
them old.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
School go way back with Chris, Like literally, I think
he was doing his podcast before us. I think I
asked him about how to get the equipment for podcasting,
and uh so without us, I really, without him, it
really wouldn't have been to us because he really helped
us out in many ways. But obviously he's a friend
(01:34):
and friend of the show. We used to be able
to go down the time, but then he stopped podcasting
for a long time. So yeah, you should definitely check
out Caring on that. I actually saved the episode to
listen to today.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Mm hmm. I had a great time and it was
good to to to chop it up with him and
stuff like that, particularly somebody that steps away and comes
back and things like that. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
All right, you got any banter?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I do?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right? Do you have any.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Talks to me?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Do you have any Do you have any banter? Banter? Banter?
Banter banter? Do you have any banters?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Talk to me?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you have any bank banter?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
All? Don't care, I do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We was eating some cheerros the other day and Roger
said that the cheerios he was eating tasted like Santa
claus Is Penis.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's less of a random thought for you and more
of something funny that I said.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But then I thought, if Santa Claus Dick did taste
like this, I think I might eat it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
The charos was like or flavor or something.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
They were absolutely deious. We were dipping them in the south.
I was like, I was like, Santa, you wouldn't make it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I said. I was trying to be shocking to
Karen when I said it, But I stand by my
comment though, I think that is probably what it would
taste like. Uh. You know, I was gonna say, uh,
miss Santa Claus's nipples, but you know, we were in public,
we were in a polite company. Nah. I just thought
it was it was funny, and Karen thought it was hilarious,
(03:29):
so it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It was it was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Cause then you got me thinking m had to do
that gifting.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was like, you know what I'm like, if you
had to blow the gingerbread.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm just saying, come on, oh my turn. Speaking of sex,
you know, I just know what I'm not a fan
of for my birthday. It's birthday sex. I don't like
getting the gift of sex for a present. I don't
think it's I don't think it's kind as a gift.
And the main reason I don't like it is because
(04:03):
it's birthday sex. It's for me.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
If I look down and you're enjoying it too, So
now you just getting off of my gift. Yes, you
got yourself something. I didn't really get me anything.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Really.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
The sex, the that's that's just normal how sex supposed
to go. You're both supposed to enjoy it. Yes, it's
not really a gift. No one's taking on a burden
for the other person. When it's Karen's birthday and she
wants birthday sex. I try to look nonplus, I try
to look completely like I'm not like. This is about you,
(04:38):
not me. Okay, whatever, my pleasure is secondary. This is
all Today is your day. Okay. I'm not even gonna
get off. I'm not even that's because that would that
would be too selfish. I'm just a machine, okay with you.
But I don't like it. Birthday sex is overrated, I
said it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, and then they thing is I really do love
your baby. We had went out to eat to a
restaurant and we was listening to a nerd podcast and
they had said something that kind of struck something in
my brain. I don't know why, but it struck something
in my brain. So why Roger is trying to eat breakfast?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Bless his heart?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
He sat there, unlet's listen to me go about twenty minutes.
I don't know why. I felt like I I had
to get it out my system. Twenty minutes about the
new Xbox handheld steam switching from I was just thrent
and the rimbling, not really renting, but just kind of
expressing them, you know, different ways about how I feel,
you know, about the systems and the and the cost
(05:42):
and you know, and and just really really merdy, like
merdy nerdy shit. And he understood the things that I
was talking about. And so I appreciate being able just
to uh uh when things kind of tick my brain
like that and kind of causes me to, you know,
won't want to express those things that you just wouldn't
sit and listen to me.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Uh that doesn't Yeah, it was fine. I mean I
was trying to read a comic book. But you know,
do you go out to dinner, people talk and or
lunch or breakfast or whatever. And I like those topics,
you know, I care about them too. So we were
having a discussion. You just got very passionate. It wasn't
like I wasn't listening or like I didn't have anything
to contribute. I was letting you say what you wanted
(06:25):
to say. But no, I mean it all made sense.
And uh, you know, I love that I have a
wife that's a nerd. It doesn't you know. I like
that you're into that stuff. I care about those things,
so you know, it was cool to be able to
have that kind of conversation. There's a lot of people
that feel like their nerds, but they alone in their relationship,
right or you know, we're all different human beings. But
(06:46):
you know there's that thing where like you like something
and the other person either doesn't like it or doesn't care,
and it can give the feeling that they just don't
even care about you or what you have to say.
But you know I was listening because I you know,
I had all those thoughts too. Let's see, Oh, I've
(07:07):
found a hack for birthday posts on Facebook. I suggest
everybody do it, but I know some of y'all probably
too selfish to do it. Y'all like the extra attention
and it's your birthday, so if you like it, I
love it. But for me, I don't like the extra
attention on my birthday post. Not that I don't like
people wish me have birthday, but my brain goes, oh,
(07:28):
you have to respond to everybody. You need to like
their comment, you need to let them know. And now
that I'm like more popular than I than a quote
unquote average person, I'm not going to respond to thousands
of people on the I'm not gonna respond to thousands
of people on the internet, you know, like even yeah,
(07:50):
you know people text or whatever. So it's cool and
I appreciate it. But what I realized is my hack
is whenever you guys go on Facebook and you go
to your front page, what do you normally see? So
I'm not saying for y'all that go into the notification,
have it turned on to be like let me check
(08:12):
and see whose birthday it is today. I'm just saying,
when you go to the front page, I almost never
see it's my birthday post. Mm mmm. I see them sometimes,
but very rarely what I normally see, and it could
just be me. I see the thanks for all the
birthday wishes.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I see the person respond.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Which is the post you make the day after your
birthday and then people go happy belated birthday because you know,
I mis so now you got another round of notifications
of every and sometimes you get more on that than
the like it's my birthday post. So the hack that
I created, guys, my life hack. I only post on
(08:56):
my birthday, not the day after. I only post thanks
for all the birthday wishes, and you know, say what
I gotta say that, you know, I appreciate y'all. Blahlah blah,
learn so much. So now people respond and they either
post happy birthday because it is my birthday and they're
paying attention, or like Mike Caplan texted me on my
(09:16):
birthday for the record, and he was like a happy
birthday ish because he thought he had missed.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It all right, right right, because when it's phrase like that,
people assumed that it's like a day or two after.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, he said, he said happy birthday ish, and I said,
it's still my b day, thanks man, And he said,
whoo saw your post thanks for the birthday wishes. So
I thought it might be in the past, which technically
is Mike Caplan. I could have done the whole thing
about how technically everything's in the past or whatever. I said,
(09:53):
I posted it because that's normally the post everyone sees
after you've already had all your wishes the first day.
Then they feel bad for being late, but now they'll
find out they're actually right on time. He said, Hahi,
are you're a wise man? I said, I hear you
get wise? Is you age? And I can't wait for
next year? Yeah, and it's it's like I'm giving them
a gift. You thought you were late, but you were
(10:13):
on time. You were on time, So yeah, that's the
new birthday hack guys.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Or either this wasn't really a hack, but be like me.
When I graduated from college, I made a time and
era in the day in the time when I graduated
from school, I had it an hour earlier than the
event was actually supposed to be and I didn't realize
I had sent it out like that. So most of
everybody showed up like early, and then my family that
(10:43):
was late, they actually showed up on time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And then they was like, you tricked us to show
up on time. I said, I didn't trick on time.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was saying, I'm glad you got to see because
I would have had it for you to miss it
because you was outside the parking lot because you was
running late. So do little tricks like that when when
you know folks is.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Gonna be bele like just.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The time my durm, Yeah, yes, sir. Now this one
it's like a it's almost like a skit that I
came up in my brain and I don't know if
it's gonna make sense or not, but I just.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wanted to share it with y'all.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I wish that I wish I had a skit of
a superhero like you know, Captain America, you know Miss Marveled,
you know, Wonder Woman or whatever. I wish I had
a skit where they do this thing that people do
and they like sit down in front of them signs
that would like prove me wrong type of thing, and
(11:40):
somebody basically challenges them to be a hero without using
their superflowers and the hero does shit like activism. So
they started going to the polls going through the door,
and they were like this shit is hard, like it
is hard as shit, like me just wine over everybody
(12:01):
looking at the bigger picture, punching the punch of people
in the face.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
But like people that actually got to actually do like
the groundwork for the masses. It's different. I'm knocking on doors,
running for.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Local offices and shit like this.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I think that that would be an interesting skit, Like,
you know, in my brain, I was thinking, Yeah, that
would be a very interesting skit to have.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You don't have powers, but you just have to be
a different type of hero. Yeah, I actually think. You know,
that's a trope in a lot of comic books and
TV shows that I like is when sometimes they dis
like they take the power away from the hero, meaning
they can't like, oh, you lost your powers, Like Superman three,
I think he loses powers, but then it gets to
(12:50):
the core of why you're a hero, like they did
the Captain America. I just recently read a run of
his book where it has flashbacks to before he had
the Super Soldier serum and then flash forwards to him now,
and they showed how he like foiled a plot, a
Nazi plot back before he even had Super Soldier serum.
(13:13):
But it wasn't but he didn't win a single fight.
It wasn't like he couldn't like it was no espionage,
but like he would go. They had these rallies that
these like Nazis would have trying to recruit people in
America to join the cause, and he went to the
rallies and shouted them down and all this stuff. And
so I like that because it gets to like the
(13:36):
core of a hero isn't the power set. That's what
we get obsessed with, and it's what makes the movie fun.
But I like when you get to the core, like
a hero would try to find a way to help
even if they couldn't flower everybody, even if it was
hard and difficult, and they would have respect for that
work because it takes all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It does. In another kind of little skinny thing I
had in my brain something similar, but like a jubilee
have a hero sit down and it's like one hero
versus like twenty, like people that are kind of anti hero,
you know, coming at the hero and having a hero
(14:14):
quote unquote explain themselves and things like that. And they
would say things like they did their own research, and
they would say stuff like they would demand Nick Furies
a birth certificate and claim that he lied on his
resume and shit like that, and I think it would
be they would say shit like the super serum gave
you AIDS and you know you have like a third
(14:35):
leg and shit like that, And I would find that
just as a waste of time for superheroes, Jubilee, complete
waste of time.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I love that. To sket would point out how much
of a waste of time it is, like you could
be helping people, but you hear talking these fucking idiots,
right Hey, I like.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That too, yeah. Uh and uh the person would uh
you know, be like it in you know the people
we like, well, no, we didn't ask for your help.
You could just you know, you could just you know,
let us, you know die and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know you're doing you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Damage on the buildings when you know when you come
through here, who's gonna pay for that?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
My insurance goes up? And you know, shit like that,
you know, because.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's another superhero trope, Like it's in a lot of
comic books. Spider Man deals with that kind of shit. Uh,
I love Yeah, I like those tropes too, the like
the responsibility to the community that never asked you to
do this extra vigilante justice. But you know, the story
always kind of comes back to, like the theme is
like you're part of the community and you're you have
(15:37):
a role in protecting the community, and more people than
not will realize that you are doing it for the
right reasons, you know, like like there's so much corny
shit to learn from comic books that just it applies
to life that I think is it's worthwhile, Like even
the ones where you just question, like why does Batman
(15:58):
have authority to do any thing more than just what
a police officer could do. But then ultimately, you know,
you see the need for that in some cases because
we all kind of wish we had people like that
in real life that we don't have to have. Agree
that's it, Okay. I went to office Max today and
(16:21):
I was trying to buy a seat cushion for my
chair because I wanted like an ergonomic support thing, you know,
to just keep my back whatever, keep my butt less sore.
And office Max doesn't sell the cushions for office chairs,
And when I went up there to ask about it,
(16:43):
she was like, oh, we don't sell that. Probably got
to go to best Buy or Walmart. And best Buy
is next door. So I went to the best Buy
next door, walked in and they did have a woman
standing by the front and they had some employees in there.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Which I was a little surprised, right because they normally.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Lately it's been looking like an Amazon warehouse.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
In best right, you better figure it out. That's like
they've been looking at you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I went in and she was like, hell to
help you with something, and I was like, yeah, I'm
looking for like seat cushions for like an office chair. Uh,
you know, it's just shot in the dark. Since you
know office Max told me they don't have it your
office Max And she was like, we don't have that.
You might want to check out like a Walmart or
something like that, or she said you could go online
(17:26):
and order. She said, our online store has it, but
not us like physically in here. Okay, So I went
to Walmart and they did have them in there. But
it was a bit surprising that like places that sell
office chairs wouldn't have that because, like you.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Said chairs, you said a desk like you said, like itels.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Like an office thing. I knew every office I worked in.
I mean shit, a lot of the office I worked
in physically, they would actually be like, would you like
an ergonomic support. We will get you one. We will
get you no charge to you. We're just trying to
keep your back straight.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Right so that you can be here longer.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I was a little spy that right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Like Office max and Office Depot, y'all, whole job is
you got office in the name. I don't understand this.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, like that's a routine thing, and I wonder if
that's just how much Amazon is won. You know, I
don't even keep that ship in stock because if somebody's
looking for it, more than likely just gonna order it
online and get it mailed to them. So why why
would we even keep that here?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like we used to have them in stocked when people
used to look find the one they won't and then
turn around and just order it online. So it was like,
why do we even have that here anymore?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I guess that is possible, that's a part of the
scenario too, But I guess in my mind, it's like
if it was in stock, and it seemed like it
would be better to just be able to get it,
like to something like that feels like you get it
when you get it, Yes, Like if my back is hurting,
why I'm gonna come in your store, shop around and
be like I'll wait. But I guess, you know, but
(18:50):
maybe maybe I'm overthinking it because I guess with shipping
being short now, yeah, you could back in the day.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It was like longer we're going to the store actually mattered.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But I wonder if you're even finding it cheaper than
what it is in best Buy because best Buy is
already kind of you know, like Amazon, like they're not
like the mark ups inside the story. Best Buy isn't crazy,
isn't like, man, the website got a completely different price.
You're not saving money, you know you're not, But man,
I was kind of that was a little surprising, very surprising.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Guess I'm just guy that's like, you're going there and
they tell you they ain't got the little flow masts
that you roll your chair on. We don't have him.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You're like, seem like you would just have anyway office ship,
your office max and depot. Did you have more? You
was done? Okay, I do God, I'll keep going go ahead.
Ezra Klein talked to Tana hose Coats on his podcast
for like an hour a little over an hour yesterday.
The only reason I know because I stopped listening to
(19:46):
his podcast. But same, Randolph Terrence, you know, my brother.
You know, I got so much trouble on my mind.
Confused to lose that his things. That's my man. So
he always you know, he's always ready for the race war,
and he's a he knows I'm a fan of Coats
and he's a fan of Coats, and uh, you know,
(20:07):
we make jokes like my you know, my good friend
Ta he was on Letterman last night or whatever. You know,
we'd like make jokes with each other like that. But
at any rate, Coats was on there, and Coats had
written this response to Ezra Klein's article that basically said
Charlie Kirk did politics the right way and so they
(20:29):
was coming to have like a little intellectual discussion, polite
disagreement about it. And I have many thoughts. The whole
show could be about my thoughts because I actually went
and listed a whole thing, like I didn't just do
online snippets or a minute like nobody can get me
with the well, if you keep listening to context, was
this you don't know I did, though I do know,
(20:53):
but I listened to this discussion, and uh, you know,
I'm a big fan of Coats. Honestly, man, I at
times it made me emotional listening because he was so
on point and so smart and so able to artic
I mean, it's like it's writing, you know, but sometimes
writers don't translate that in person, like live it's is
(21:13):
not as sharp. But he was. He was very sharp.
And it wasn't adversarial. It wasn't like and there and
they and apparently Coach has done that podcast a lot
of times. They are friends, whether that's the working title
with friends or that really friend friends. So what it
made me think was, you know, the deep amount of
(21:34):
respect I have for Coach because Coach wrote that article
that called out clients piece they have a relationship. So
that wasn't just a I'm gonna do this, and you know,
I don't plan to see or talk to you. You're
just some some some person with an opinion. To me,
it's like, no, I'm writing this thing about a friend
(21:54):
who I think is wrong, and we're having this discussion
in public, you know. And I and Ezra Klein's podcast
is the kind of podcast where I think if you
disagree with him and you wanted to come on there,
that I don't think it's bad, Like I think that's
a good place to go have a disagreement. I don't
think it's like Jubilee or even like maybe even like
(22:19):
a Joe Rogan ish or something like. I feel like
that's a good place to have a discussion with somebody
where you should both approach it in good faith and
you can disagree, but at least you know where y'all
stood at the end, and maybe even the mind might
be changed. Although that seems rare and rare these days, right,
But Coach goes on there, He's great. You know, there's
(22:42):
many holes in the klind argument to me, but the
main thing I took away is that, and I don't
sometimes it's just as simple, and you wish it would
be more complicated. I wish I could make it, say
it in a way that everyone would be able to understand.
But I'm the only way I can explain it is
the way that the people that listen to this that no, no,
(23:06):
Tanahasei Coast is a black man, Ezra Klein is not.
And that's really the crux of all of it. There's
just no you know, It's how It's why I say
I'm not debating polity. I don't even I don't find
much to discuss at this point because so much of
this is so obvious to me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's like when you say something like, well, Kamala Harris
actually lost because she's a black woman. A person like
Ezra Klein can't accept that answer, right, because that's not
an answer you can go out and change people's minds with.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You can't say, hey, this like we as black people
are always prepped for the loss because America's had a
lot of losing when it comes for standing up for
black people. Right, We've had way more losing than when
a whole lot. And you can't see that because as
(24:04):
a person, a white person or a person who aligns
with whiteness in a certain type of way, with a
certain type of white political thought, you can't even accept
that sometimes you lose.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's the part of fighting.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You think you can always win, and the goal should
be to always win, and that the goal, and that
you should be like thinking about how you're gonna fix
when you lose by completely doing something different. Like there's
a couple of statements that he said where I was like, oh,
he doesn't even understand how your brain has been affected
(24:41):
by this. Like one of the things he said was
like you know, and then like he like he was like,
I forget the exact wording, but it's something to the
effect of like, well, you know, Obama won, then then
Trump won, then over Hillary, and then Biden barely one,
(25:01):
and then Trump won and I was like, right, but
you know what the truth is, And all three of
those were they were all barely. There was no mandate,
there's no there was no like overarching like oh wow,
one of them it was sixty forty. All the all
the elections in America are coming down to very hairline numbers.
(25:24):
But you feel because you've been so pessimistic with our Democrats,
and you spend a lot of time just talking about
just how Democrats da da da, you have surrounded yourself
in a feeling of loserdom, like like you're you're you
think you're on a team that lost by forty when
you're on the team that lost a heartbreaking overtime, lost
(25:44):
in an uphill battle where you had to switch the
quarterback out in the third quarter, and you're still walking
around like, well, we'll never win again unless we completely
change everything we were doing. We got to throw the
whole team away. It's like you lost in overtime, the
clock ran out, like you can you can if you
played that game again, you could you could win, right,
(26:06):
But he's looking for like some feeling a blowout, right,
he wants a blowout, He wants a he wants a
sixty forty like sixty percent of the country supports Democrats,
and the only way that his mind can comprehend that
is essentially to compromise democratic values and say, hey, maybe
(26:27):
we drop some race stuff. May we drop some some
pro some pro choice stuff. Maybe we drop some trands stuff.
May we drop all these things so that we can
bring people into the party. And what's important about that?
And I'm sorry to keep because I had as much
shorter thought. Sorry to come on here, but what's important
about that? What he's saying in addition to morally being
(26:50):
a bit repugnant in my opinion, not calling him morally repugnant,
but just the idea of like, damn, I don't I
don't think you can really sell all this hope and
change shit and then be like yeah, but not for
gay people. And one of the things he knocked Obama
on in there was kind of plauted for kind of
but we've seen them knock Obama on was gay marriage.
And it's like, you can't knock Obama on gay marriage
(27:12):
for two thousand and eight and then be like, but yeah,
we gotta give up on people's rights, like that cost something.
That cost something with the gay community when that happened.
That wasn't just a harmless thing stance that he had.
Now none of us really seemed to believe that he
was homophobic. We just thought he was scared and we
(27:32):
were like, but we think you're popular enough to get
it past. He might not have been you know, they
floated the research and all that shit, or he might
have been like this, how I get my second term?
I don't know. My point being, you can't be like,
we're going to have these people in the party, because
this is what the thought process is. People that like
(27:54):
Charlie Kirk and people who are Charlie Kirk's, people who
go to Trump, people who went from a Obama to Trump.
The assumption that these guys always make is that it
was a political message that caused a switch, and you know,
Coach brought it up like, you know, they're societal things
that are happening too, Like I like, to this day,
(28:15):
I don't like I say this soberminded. I think Obama
ran up almost damnar flawless fucking run right. I do too,
But to this day, we don't have an economic crash.
He's not president, right.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Do people not understand.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That if the if the goddamn automobile companies don't need
a complete bailout house and market yet, but if they
don't need a bill out at that time, and McCain
is basically being like, fucking let him go bankrupt, when
Obama's like, no, that's crazy, we gotta save that industry.
That's why he won. I still remember that that was
(28:51):
only a few weeks before it's trying to vote, and
that shit like his favorability immediately swung and like, Okay,
this motherfucker is not crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Crazy person just wouldn't have let everything tank, right, But.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If the economy wouldn't been fucked up, if it wouldn't
have been something that need to be saved, I don't
know that he went agreed Joe Biden, if not for COVID,
if not for the economy coming out of COVID, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That he wins agreed.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We keep acting like that. And the reason I say
it's not fair is because when Hillary loses and Kamma
loses its messaging, but when Boden won, they didn't give
him credit for messaging, if nothing else. Ezra Klein was
writing about how he should have stepped down he was
supposed to win on his messaging and then immediately stepping
down somebody else more progressive. Come run this country, not
(29:45):
not me, the guy who won. You're not gonna it's
And the reason I say that had to point it
out is because if you were talking about messaging, you'd
be like, no, Biden's messaging was perfect, Like I love
what Biden was saying. He was he was the right.
He won because he was right. I knew he was
gonna win from the second he popped up. No, you didn't.
Many of us had him in last many of us
didn't think he was gonna make it right. So all
(30:08):
that to say, it comes back to this question that
this Charlie Kirk thing right. He sees the absolute value
of Charlie Kirk. Look how many eyeballs were on him,
How he wielded that power is sayings morality. The fact
that he had that power is the true morality. And
(30:31):
that's what's admirable. And I feel like only a person
of a certain amount of privilege can fix their mouth
to say that right. It's like it's like saying Hitler
and the Nalge's had good fashions or something. It's like, well, objectively,
I mean the symmetry, it's like, what are we doing?
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Who? Like, you don't even understand. You're so deep into
weeds that the cost of going to get these people
that support Kirk and go to MAGA rallies or you know,
swung to Trump because they didn't like that certain progressive
people online didn't like their language when they were making
jokes or whatever. You never think about what the cost
(31:13):
is to go get them, because the cost is letting
in the bigotry and giving it up to people. And
more importantly, you don't think that the people here will leave,
and you haven't done that math. And I think, particularly
after Kamala Harris, we're gonna find out. I mean, I'm
hoping it's not a lot of We have no reason
(31:33):
to suspect that everybody that got slapped in the face
is going to stay engaged. I guarantee if we were
to get into like democratic fundraising right now, it's got
to be loved because there's a lot of people who
were the backbone who felt insulted. Yes, and they're not
coming like, they're not just gonna come back because you say, hey,
(31:54):
it's voting time, get back to work. I think you're
gonna see volunteers fall down, You're gonna see your donations
fall down, You're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Your phone banking go down. And and this is something
that I talked about.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Hold one second. I'm sorry. I know I've been talking
a long time, but I just want to finish the point.
But the idea is that bringing in your white guys
who went for Rogan and Trump, bringing them into the
fold will somehow offset that number, or people will just
be so happy they won't mind that with no reconciliation,
(32:30):
with no admission of anything, they will just And I
think that can happen, but only if shit gets so
bad no one cares. But right now, people care. You
can't like people care that you want to bring people
into the fold that were telling us Charlie Kirk was
just a good Christian family man. People care. You just
(32:52):
don't care about us because you think you have us,
so you just taking us for granted. You think our
rights don't need to be respected, because fuck it, your
rights are basically privileged. To me, my rights are inalienable,
but your rights if we can negotiate, I'm sure we'll
get around to your rights get And so that's what
(33:15):
bothers me about that whole discussion. And look, I don't
you know, I don't know ezra kline or any of
that stuff, But this is that negative piece that Martin
Luther King talked about with white moderists like this is it.
This is the moment they shrink. They're not fighters. They
not willing to die for this. They not willing to
stand on nothing. They more willing to court the fucking
(33:39):
empathy and feelings of the people who Because he kept
talking about drawing a line, it's like, well, what about
us on the left when we draw the line? And
I'm like, what's draw the line? Because he was like,
you know, define that, because he was trying to put
coats on the stand, and I'm like, no, you defined
the line. What's the line? What's the line? Give me
a view, that's the line for you, because what you
(34:02):
will often find is I have not drawn a line.
I've acknowledged the line. So this guy thinks I'm a
nigger and he don't want to be in no party
that would have me, and he don't ever want to
see me be successful, and he would rather he be
unsuccessful as long as I'm unsuccessful. You telling me I
(34:27):
drew a line. I'm not the one unwilling to be
in a party with him. I'm willing to be in
a party where anybody that can drop that racism at
the door. But now you're trying to make it seem
like it's my fault, because I recognize my humanity is
not a fucking negotiable right, not with you, not in
my own party. And there's this lie that happens, and
(34:50):
Ezra Kline trafficked in it, and it's an ego driven line.
They don't lie, they don't know their line. They're lying
to themselves, but they do this thing of like, no,
the people that vote for Trump got their feelings hurt
from the left, and then they went full to the like, well,
I guess I'll just have to stomach voting for a bigot.
It's not that I believe these things, but I just
(35:11):
the left told me not to use the slurf training,
and I can't. Now I have to go over there,
and and and so the reason I call it a
lie because I'm not saying there aren't people that make
that say that. I just don't. I just know that
that's not the fullness of the picture, right, because there's
nothing you can say to me that would make me
a line with a fucking bigot. Nothing right. But what it?
(35:33):
What it? The lie that it has is that it
makes it seem like the left, and I don't mean politicians,
the left, all of us, everyone who is left of
center in America. It acts like the left is not
a place of constant debate, constant pushing of ideas, constant
back and forth. It's the only place where you're really
(35:55):
allowed to have a descending opinion that still stay. They
act like we are kicking people out. That's not what's happening.
You stay, but we let you know. Uh uh. I
didn't like that, and that's it your delicate ego can't handle.
I didn't like that. I'm born black in America. Every
(36:15):
day I wake up. They didn't like that. There ain't
nothing I can do about it, but you could change
your opinion. So if you're transphobic, you could stop being
transphobic tomorrow and I don't have to bring it up anymore.
We can just keep moving the fuck on. Right, But
if I'm black and they've decided I don't like black people,
I can't change that, Ezra. I'm not drawing that line.
(36:39):
I didn't make that line. I didn't kick them out
of anywhere. They would not have me either, And for
me to let them in and tolerate their racism is
some burden that you don't understand. Defeats the fucking point
of the coalition, right. The goal can't be here's how
(37:01):
we progress, But let's not progress. Let's just keep it
like it is, because hey, progress is, we'll get around
to it hopefully one day. Maybe. Nah, you gotta fight.
And what I loved about what Coach said is that
you lose sometimes, because that's what I'm at. All this
shit is cyclical. All this shit is cyclical. Imagine telling
(37:24):
somebody during reconstruction that they couldn't lose again. I'm sure
some people was riding how that first four years of
the eight years, and then black people looked around like, shit,
we're about to lose again. It's about to be fucked
up again until nineteen sixty eight, and we're gonna have
to people gonna die for that to happen, you know.
And so I think that's the point that goes missing
(37:48):
in these conversations, and it's it's sad that it's down
to race, because it shouldn't be down to race. You
should be able to have some empathy for me that
you have for Charlie Kirk. You should be able to
have have that empathy for me and go, yeah, I
can see why that's not gonna work. But they don't.
You know, that's that they're already capitulating because they's so
(38:11):
they think they're ready to give up the ground, because
they think they're gonna lose all the ground. And sometimes
you just have to take that stand to be like,
but nah, not on this and I get it. We
all draw the lot of different places. But that's something
you can only do on the left. The left is
extremely inclusive because the left got Listen, this is what
the left really if you think about it, the left
(38:33):
has people that are all of it. I mean, you
got anti choice, you got transphobes, you got homophobes, you
got racist, you got all of it on the left.
The deal is, though we have more, we look at
what we have in common and go, I'm listen. I
might be uncomfortable with blank, but I'm not uncomfortable enough
(38:55):
to give up you and my rights. That's it. Everybody
ain't gonna be friends or like it.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
That's not the goal.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So when you talk about playing politics, why is it
always the politics of the right wing oppressive bullshit? Why
is it always we gotta play politics when you're making
an excuse for somebody to be a fucking piece of shit.
And I know that he don't really respect how Charlie
Kirk does politics. He say he did it the right way,
but you know how I know he don't know. He
(39:23):
don't really respect that man because I went on YouTube
to see the video of him talking to the tone
Howsee Coats. He was listening, they were thoughtful, he wasn't interrupting,
He adin't call that man no names, and he didn't
title the fucking YouTube video Ezra Kline destroys woke DEI
(39:46):
Liberal affirmative Action writer Tyne Hose Coats right, which is
how Charlie Kirk would have phrased it. What you're saying
is anything that attract eyes is right. That's what you're
saying when you tell me Charlie Kirk did something right.
And if that's the case, then SODA's pulling your dick
out on Fifth Street. I mean, police camera's gonna show
(40:09):
the dude's cameras will show up. I guess I did.
Rod did walking down the street the right way. Millions
of people saw his dick hanging out. It's very insulting
and and like, I love that coach stood steadfast in
thea in the face of that, because I know that's
his homie. But like he didn't. He wasn't mean about it,
(40:31):
but just being like flat footed. That's how I feel.
That's how I am. Like you have to be like,
this is the truth of the thing. It could be
uncomfortable with both of us, but you know the truth
of the thing. I said, the truth of the thing.
You could disagree with it, but you but you will
never be able to say I sat here and lied
to your face and made you feel like I was
(40:53):
to make you feel good. I lied to you. You know,
he called. He said, it's fatalistic to say sometimes we lose.
I say it's realistic and it's historic, and that you're
in denial.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's life.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You're in denial if you think you can the the
country that was founded on genocide and slavery and the
oppression of women to say that that is a default.
You can only win. We should always be winning. Everyone
should be on the same page. Then you didn't understand
(41:27):
the fight because the original fight that came to America,
the bullies won. They won that fight. This is not
a even back and forth. They came superior firepower and
superior whatever in savagery, and they fucking debrutalized people. And
then you want to and then, because I was thinking
about this the other day, but do you understand how
(41:50):
fucking insane the founding fathers had to be to write
that shit that they wrote. What was that discussion like,
was like, we hold these truths to be self evident.
Every man shall uh not? You niggas shut the fuck up.
Every valley has an inablienable bitch. If you don't get no,
you can't have no bank account. Why you keep coming
(42:11):
the here?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Anyway, we all got inalienable rights and we should get
the right to defend ourselves. You you better go to
that motherfucking reservation, bitch. You can't defend yourself.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Is this a is that a hatchet?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
We're killing everybody? Guess what the fuck? Anyway? Back to
the to the peace, I was writing, uh, we all
have the right to liverty and freedom and happiness. Nigga
kicked that fat like you're not fall word like that.
That's crazy. So like it's sad because that racial experiment
(42:48):
has cost us so much, because it should not be.
In my mind, there should be no way that a
right thinking person that claims to be who Ezra Clined
say he is. That should be no way that he
would even arrive to some of these conclusions unless your
experience is so fucking different that you just can't see it.
(43:09):
You read the same history books, you can't see it.
You know, Coach brought up you know how if it's
not for World War two, do you see even the
progress under Lyndon B. Johnson and shit like that? Right,
Clin can't It's like he couldn't hear it. And it's
sad because I think every black person in this coalition
(43:32):
walks around with a little bit of sadness, and I
think everybody of any marginal wized group does. But all
of us feel a little bit of sadness because that's
the homie. Klein is the homie. But to Coach, but
he'll never get it. It's that episode of South Park
where stand Tell's token. I don't get it, But I
(43:55):
guess what I understand is that I don't get it,
you know, because Hok is talking about being the only
black kid and shit, and Stan spends the whole fucking
episode trying to understand and he finally relents with or
I'm not going to be able to truly understand this.
And I think that's the wall that I heard for
that hour that they reached. And you know, I could
(44:17):
make it about Ezra Klein's person but I don't know
that man like that. Honestly, I just know how he sounded,
what it represents, and how is a frustrating discussion that
many of us have felt the need to participate in.
I'm sorry to soap box that because the joke I
wrote was really just about I didn't realize. Yeah, the
joke was really about the YouTube title. But I'm so
(44:39):
sorry to have soap box that character say as much
as you want, I'm gonna drink water.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
No, no, no, you good? And like I said, I
heard snippets and bits of it. I know me and
my personality. I thought about listening, but I do not
think that where I'm at right now, I wouldn't be
able to listen. I'm just keeping it real like, because
(45:04):
everything it's back to I'm mad, I'm angry, and I'm adamant,
and I don't want to hear excuses, and to me, coaches,
from what I heard, Coats is basically coming with these
well thought out, logical shit, and all I hear is well,
why why why?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Why why?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
And see it makes me mad because I'm like, oh,
you're not really listening. You're not really listening.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
It felt like he wanted to win a discussion or
put Coats in some moral quandary, but and shot the
coats man because he really was self aware. And I
think that's something that I don't know if that's something
he's always been and I haven't always been in the
right places to catch it, you know, because like you know,
(45:52):
it's sometimes he were right shit, and I you know,
I'm a fan, like I'm not just a some fucking hater,
but he were right shit sometimes and I'd be like,
I mean, that's a point, but that's not a complete
picture of what you're saying. But this time he was
given a complete picture in a way that I have
so much tremendous respect for people that are that self
aware because he's like he talked about like stuff he's
(46:15):
written about Obama, but also while recognizing Obama's the first
black president, and so some of the things I wish
cast on him are probably things that would not allow
him to be the first black president, right, or he
wouldn't be the two term first black president, or he
wouldn't be as successful.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But I can want things. My black wants are valid.
But I understand that I am always playing the cynical
chess game in America as a black person. When I vote,
I never get a perfect candidate. I never voted for
a perfect message, right. I'm never going to right.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
And that's why I said in my mind, that's why
I said certain things I just don't want to hear.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I understand. Yeah, I respect it, and.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
You know, because it also you're not that funny.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You have to be truthful with yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
And so for this one, I'm actually just being I'm
not saying I'm on ever listen to it, but just
the anger and the vitriol that I have in my
heart against people that don't want to see my humanity
right now, I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I respect it, like I said, I'm not suggesting it
really for you, but I like to listen to these
things in their entirety or not talk about them at all.
I get that because I think too much of our
commentary online is I saw fifteen seconds or something, and
here's thirty minutes of thoughts, and it's like that, and
then it's all covered. When you go look at it,
you like, that's not even what happened.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Agree, So I'm glad you're here to go into that
details things like that, and also to uh and I
know we have to go a little bit, but also
to go back into some of the things you were saying.
I remember when Kamala lass one of the very first
things I said, and I will stick to this, Black
(47:52):
women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. We vote
at a higher clip than anybody else in this country,
and so in my mind it was it was a
slap in the face to us. So at that period
of time, I said on this show, I was like
a lot of people are gonna get the shock of
their lives when things start happening and they're gonna look
(48:13):
for us and we're not gonna be there. They're gonna
start calling, They're gonna start emailing. Shit's gonna go unanswered,
people gonna step off boards, people gonna be like, I
ain't got time. People, you know, because it's getting to
the point now where people go, oh no, no, no, no,
no no. When I was out here talking and marching,
when I was out here marching on your behalf, somebody
who who who actually don't like me, I was more
(48:36):
concerned about your humanity than you were about mind. You know,
somebody who's actually no understands that when I'm free, we're
all free. If you know, if if I make more money,
we all make more money, the doors open up for everybody. Normally,
you know a lot of people from other nationalities, a
(48:57):
lot of other black and brown people only benefiting, only
get the things that they get is because of black people.
S hear in America's sacrifice. You know a lot of people,
a lot of other black and brown people can get
shipped that I can't even get. And I was fucking
born and raised here, you know, and so as a
slap in the face, and it's in't soafting. So you're
going to get a lot of I'm not gonna give
(49:18):
you no thousand dollars that o a five thousand dollars
that I was because we're the most educated group too well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Also, in the wake of the laws, the message has
been we gotta get less black and less woman, all right.
So it's not just black women responding to like Kamala loss,
I'm mad, it's it's Ezra Klin telling you that you're
right to be in pro choice it should be up
for negotiation within your own party. And if and he's
(49:44):
a nice polite person, but I can do the math.
If you say it about women fifty percent, if not more,
of the party, then you're absolutely saying that about every
other issue because that's the major that's the big minority,
even if they have superior numbers within the Democratic Party, right,
that's the biggest minority group. So you're telling them, yeah,
(50:07):
you're you're right to your own womb is something that
we need to be willing to have you deal with
not having those rights sometimes, right, and okay, where would
you stop?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And that's my thing I feel like and a lot
of people, even a lot of black people, get caught
up in this trope. Whenever you attack a minority group.
I always know that I'm on the list. I don't
have to be your target, to know that I'm your target,
like like like I am also your target when you
start attacking these other groups, I always know that I
(50:41):
am the next in line. And so this is why
I'm always willing to fight and things like that. And
I also I think I have like a fire within
my within my soul right now that I'm like, no,
I'm good, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I think also if a person like Ezra Klein truly
ascribed to the amount of power he gives political figures,
which I think he gives too much power to him.
He's like, but this is how once again they work
backwards the result and then they go write a narrative
and I get it, you're a writer. You have to
come up with a story. But just because you come
(51:15):
up with a story, don't make it true, right, right,
So they work backwards. Obama wins because his is hoping
to change and the messaging not because the economy scared
the shit out of everybody, and a few white people
that would have been like no niggas from me was like, actually,
this time I'll do it. He gonna keep me from
losing my job at the car Plan, right, So, like
we will never give credit to just life life, and
(51:38):
it's got to be something the president did. Same thing
that goes with the economy, Like presidents take credit for
the economy, get blamed for the economy, but often the
time the president doesn't actually determine the economy.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Anyway, if he truly believed in political messaging the way
he does some democrat just needs to get on message,
then he wouldn't be telling democrats to compromise their values.
If it's just a message that needs to be wrapped
in a different code of paint and galvanize people. Why
(52:13):
would you ever compromise your value? Isn't it always the
politician's fault for not espousing the values in a way
that changes hearts and minds and makes people emotionally, you know,
value those those things that's right, Like like, I'll give
you another thing about Obama that I thought was interesting.
(52:34):
I'm a pragmatist, I'm a realist. I'm extremely grounded in reality.
It's annoying to people.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
I don't blame you. Rod's and not that gotta float
your conspiracy by you're just gonna tear it apart. Rose
the one that's like, is that what happened is that
the truth?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Rod asks questions.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Rod watches the whole Ezra Kline coach discussion. It just
he I don't want to just go off the handle
if I if I don't you know, if I can
help it right, I just feel like I'm a realist.
So when Obama said everything he said during his campaign,
I listened and I paid attention. And to this day,
(53:17):
I still think the reason I have never been disappointed
in him in the way that some black people are
have been is because I at no point got emotionally
overinvested and assumed anything more than what he was given,
except on I think gay marriage. Gay marriage the only
one where I was like, I think he just thinks
(53:38):
he can't say the truth. But other people took that
with everything. They're like, oh, reparations or you know, being
an anti war or be like like things where he's
I'm like, but no, he said if he had to,
he would be willing to go into Pakistan in the debate.
I just thought he was going to stop all the wars.
It's like, but he didn't.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Ain't never said that that.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I think that he used to be a community organizer.
He used to be an activist, but he's running for president.
He's not gonna be an activist president. I still remember
people being I remember there were black people that were
upset that he said, like during the uprisings of like
Ferguson and stuff like hey man, we gotta be peaceful,
we gotta go back to the house president. And I
(54:21):
remember being on podcasts with a guy who was hot
as mad as how did the fish greez about it?
And I was like, am I fucking tripping? When did
he ever show you the temperament of burn this motherfucker down? Right,
he would have never got the job, and he's president.
I know you didn't expect him to say nothing. Right now,
you get to be disappointed because your black feelings are valid.
(54:42):
But there are feelings. There are feelings and that come
from an expectation that may not be grounded in anything real.
And that's okay that you got those feelings, but they
don't get to for me, supplant reality to where I'm like, well,
if you feel like that, that's what he should have did. No,
I know he's not gonna do it, right. I don't
expect any president to do it except for Donald Trump, Right,
(55:05):
So anyway, all that to say, like, if you truly
believe in political messaging, I think the Democrat that you
want to run is a Democrat that goes up there
and says, we will not abandon anyone. Right. We are
better than this, Our country is better than this. I
believe in our highest values. And maybe you don't address
(55:28):
the deplorables and all that shit, but you but you
get up there and you say, you give the Captain
America speech. You don't give the up to, you don't
give the hey man, look, sometimes you can't have rights.
You get up there and you get all the rights.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Right, We're going to get all the rights, and we
have to fight for it, and we have to demand it.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
And if that message doesn't win, then we just have
to lose. Right.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
That's a part of the process.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Like like it, like I always think it's a part
of the process.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
It's always I'm not It's just I'm not saying as
part of process. It's just always a possibility, agreed. And
if you're not willing to accept that, then you already lost,
because what you're saying is let's just stop fighting for
the rights that we want and just align with them.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
And the last to somebody like me, I'm like, that
means that death to me, No thank you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
And the last thing I'll say too is this a
person like client will never understand how insulting it is.
But the amount of empathy, reverence, love, optimism, hope, commonality
(56:47):
that he sees with people who are racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic,
transphobic Islamah, that is the reason we'll never be able
to trust you.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
I can't have you been on that because that's a
lot of our biggest fears is y'all get in these
rooms together and you put us on the table, you know,
and we're not in any of the seats at the
table either for you, right, And we're not being considered
about shit that you're sitting at a table with us,
but you're longing for them. It's why Bernie Sanders white
(57:31):
working class shit is a trigger for many black people, Yes,
because we know what he's dog whistling and saying is like, oh,
we got your ass where you gonna go? You don't matter?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
You know who matters? The guy who's slurring you. It's
not his fault, it's the economy. I feel sorry for him.
He just doesn't know he's voting against his own interest.
I just need to give a message to him that
he will that will reach him. And it always, it
always takes away their own agency. These people, the ninety
(58:06):
thousand people who got into an arena, and more than
Charlie Kurk, they won't it that you take away their agency.
They're now children, they're babies. They're just out here doing shit. Right.
He couldn't understand the concept of why some black people
eighty percent of black men vote Democrat, twenty percent vote Republican,
And he couldn't understand the concept of just some black
(58:29):
men just conservative and they gonna do that. Yes they
are is It wasn't a message the Democratic Party doesn't
get one hundred percent of anybody, not even black women.
But why we held to the one hundred percent standard
because you don't really care about us, You don't respect
our agency and our autonomy. You don't respect Tanahasee coach,
(58:50):
who was smarter and more verse than this than you,
telling you a truth that you can't handle. So you
had to come up with a fiction. Were these white
people just lost and they don't understand they're not your
real enemy. They just they just need to be told.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
It your real enemy, but they my enemy.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Right, You don't want to accept it. You're saying, I'm
drawing the line when I go, I don't want you
to say racist shit to me? Right? Just why are
we drawing that line? Because it's my humanity on the
line now, it's not yours. You want to have a
debate with the guy about why he's saying the N word,
and then you want to shake hands after no mind's
being changed. You know, to uphold Charlie Kirk as a
(59:28):
guy doing things the right way, and you can't pull
one instance of anybody changing his mind.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
It's very insulting.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
It's smoking mirrors, it's a puppet show and you and
he's got his hand up your ass. You know this
wasn't supposed to get this serious of this long, but yeah,
that's what all that stuff made me think of. And
I'm not saying a guy like as a Klein is
the enemy or Nazi or kicked out of the party.
(59:57):
What I'm saying is he's part of it, and this
is who we're working with now. I wish he would
hear this and think about this. I'm saying, you with us, right,
the people that he's courting are people who said I
refuse to be with them, I'm going to be with Trump.
(01:00:18):
And if he can't see the disconnect that that is
a personal choice they made, personal one that he isn't making.
Like he goes on these podcasts to debate these people,
they're not coming like you're doing the work you claim
needs to be done. Right, are any of them coming around?
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Any of them?
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Like, you know what, I would vote for a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Now they still passing the past policies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Where's your scolding of them then, or where's your go
chastise them about drawing that line. Go chastise them about
kicking people out like they're kicking people out of the country,
you know, go chastise them. Because all of us on
the left, including myself, have gotten a tug from people
more to the left to us. And it's not always
(01:01:02):
a tug that I'm willing to go with, meaning like
sometimes they say something and I'll be like, you got
your motherfucking mind.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that, like like
everybody got everybody got their line, but mine was the
no police.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, but but yeah, it's not the specifics I'm not
trying to debate, it litigated. I'm saying the everyone has.
If you're over here, you done been tugged to the
left with something that you went. No, if you still
over here, that tells you this not an intolerant party. Agreed,
(01:01:35):
you're intolerant to go what. I can't say that I
think women shouldn't be in swimming sports. I can't even
say that. Well, I said that only biological women should
be in there, And we'll go. I disagree. I think
you're being transphobic or I think you know whatever, but
but we're not gonna make you leave. You got your
(01:01:58):
feelings hurt because somebody didn't think you were the greatest
ship on the earth for a second. And then you
went and said, in addition to my point about I'm
against uh anyone who's not born a woman being in
women's sports, I'm also now with taking your fucking freedoms,
taking your rights, taking your your your identification, taking your
(01:02:19):
ability to use the bathroom. And you want me to
go over to that person and go, no, please, I'm nice,
come back, fuck you all right, I gotta wrap up
because that's time to go. But and I but I'll
use the AI to put commercials in this. All right, y'all,
Until next time, I love you,
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