3167: Conversation Vs Conversion

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All right, comments on the episodes that we did throughout
the week. Let's see we did. It looks like four okay,
four go us, I'll see us. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
We had Born and Raised was the first episode, a
feedback episode. We got four comments, the first being from Apia,
who says, I know exactly what the rapture pastor will
say tomorrow. In fact, I was able to get a
copy of his speech, and it goes like this, dear
church community, I did it. I talked to God, I prayed,
I even cried. I was able to convince God to

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postpone the rapture, even if you clearly don't deserve a
second chance, you sinners, But I'm such a good person.
I helped you anyway, and God listening to me. Rapture
as rescheduled for some other time.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
I will reveal later. And now it's your turn. You
have to do better.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Sin Less money is the root of your sins. You
watch sinful movies, go to simful concerts by sinful stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
You get it.

Speaker 8 (04:59):
No more.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Give me and your spare money. This way, you will
not be tempted to send anymore. I will pack the
burden aka your money from you because I'm saying, you
get a person, you can thank me later.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
You are welcome. Okay, maybe that's what he said. That
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Sean says, I'm really looking forward to Rapture. I should
it should help solve global warming and decrease global conflict.
That is the one thing that we didn't get to
see in the Marvel universe for the Endgame and the
Infinity War. It should have been some humans that was
rooting for it, because I think we now have enough
reason to believe that there's a lot of dummies.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, and they would be like, is the key? Let
him kill half of us?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
They was like, see, this is why I ain't had
no kids.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Spider Man is lying. You can't trust big ironed man, y'all. No,
reston in Star he's a billionaire. Take that, then.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Smoke half of us. That is the only solution. I
want him to smoke me. Hustle No Flow says Okay,
I've been looking for one of those peace cheat chickens
ever since you first mentioned it, and nothing just Mojo, Classic, Lemon,
Pepper and Jerk. But today I finally got my hands
on one.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Good stuff. Thanks for putting us on game. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Thank you, it's good the rare.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Thanks for putting us on game. You don't see that
too often anymore. It's way too much. Why didn't nobody
tell me? And not enough thanks for putting me on?
And you wonder why don't nobody be telling y'all ask
nothing becausey'all ain't grateful. You get upset even He says,
no point in leaving America when the rest of the
world seems to be a dumpster fire as well. I'm

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sure there's gotta be some I mean, it's gotta be
places doing better than us, but y'all feel you. It's
all that's certain. Things don't have borders and it's everywhere.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
YouTube we got seven comments. Provocative AF says, what up
Rod and Karen appreciate the great show. You helped me
change my mind about Mike Tyson leading the Democratic Party
instead of Hakeem.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
He seems like the ice cream man.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
He's nice enough to lead the party milk lol. He
said the rapture pastor gonna fake his death and pull
a no call, no shell.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
He that's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Pull a no call, no shell.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Then come back like Jesus to tell the congregation the
most hot sent him to return three days later for
the Return of.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Jesus Part two.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh and at least your reply. And the crazy part
is about that is people will believe even that. And
he said absolutely, that's crazy. That would be funny if
he showed up on like Monday or whatever.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
It's like, Oh, y'all gave up the faith.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
God, let me come back anyway. Did y'all collect the
tides yesterday? I need those dark now? Just says I
have lived overseas since the early eighties. It's not for everyone.
And another good feedbackshow.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thanks, thanks buddy.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I'm not discouraging or whatever. I'm not saying I'm
not saying I can't do it. I'm not saying it's
too hard or anything like that. I'm just saying I
don't want to and maybe that can change in the future.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
I'm not saying it's stuck in stone, but just at
this period of time, that's exactly how I feel about
the situation. And uh, yeah, the way people talk about
it sometimes they simplify it and it's not as simple
as that. Just like you've made and you've thought about
the pros and cons for those people who decided to

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leave I've thought about it too, and when sometimes when
the people talk to you, dek like you ain't thought
about all the different scenarios. Go yeah, bitch, I thought
about it, and I still decided to stay. And that's
all right, just like if you want to leave, you
had that option. Also, the polars, are you planning to
leave America for good? Yes? Or no? Yes?

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Sixteen percent said they are planning to leave America for
good and eighty four percent said no.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
So there you go. Yeah, like I said, no judgment
either way.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I told you get it all right, Let's see next
episode thirty one sixty four Saint Mackenzie Scott. Oh wait, shit,
I meant to check Spotify to see if we had
any on there. Okay, no, no, no, okay, cool, all right,
Sat Mackenzie. Spot Scott is when we had Jail Covan
on and you know we always have a good time
kicking it with the homie and we got four comments

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from that. Dizzy Lizzie Gao says, just checking in to
say jail Selena Gomez was perfect.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Laugh.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
My soft voice doesn't match her face at all, nor
the fact that she's a former Disney kid.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I never assumed the oppression is off because one, Jail
is very good at these impressions, but two he's very
curt to go of himself, so he'll be like this
one's not good, or it's not as good as he
could be, or you know, it's limited. So I assumed,
like when he did it, I'm like, I know somebody
getting the kick out of this.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I'm not the one because I don't watch only murderers
in the building or whatever. RIGHTB just says, jail sounds
happier than on other occasions.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Well, give it a give it a day, that's what
always give.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
You, twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Don't don't get too up, don't get too down. It's jail.
He'll be back. But yeah, you know he was.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
He was also delirious from the lack of rest because
you've been traveling, so he was probably in a weird
sort of the euphoria that comes before the crash, when
your brain is trying to process the lack of oxygen
and everything that it needs to sleep. Samla Agney says, hey,
Rod and Karen black Widow was in fact in the

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theaters in twenty twenty one. You just had the option
to pay thirty dollars on Disney Plus for something Disney
offered if you chose to stay home and watch it.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
It was called Premiere Access.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
It was a program for movies that were in theaters
and on Disney Plus simultaneously.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Films like Kuela, Jungle Cruise.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Milan twenty twenty and the first one on the program,
Black Widow and I Think Riot and The Last Dragon
were also on it as well. One of Media now
WB Discovery had a similar idea for the entire twenty
twenty one slate sends the Premium Searcharge, but you only
had access to the new releases for thirty days before
at least the platform. James Gunn Suicide Squad was released

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theatrically as well as stream via HBO Max. For example,
Disney Then and Now was wrong for how they tried
to low ball Scar Joe, placing the concern under the
severe parameters of twenty nineteen when she's an actor used
to getting paid from theatrical receipts. Boy, that was a
wild time would have Disney fouled that up. Just had
to clear it up anyway.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Piece Thanks Eve.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
He said.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Centators has been the only movie I've seen in the
theater this year because I wanted to support a black
director and mainly black cast. But movies go to streaming
so fast. I don't get a chance to go to
movies because life be life. And I remember back in
the day, it would take almost a year before a
movie that was released in theaters came out on VHS.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Or cable right, sometimes longer than that.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, And they used to do I remember I worked
at Media Play. They used to do a thing where
they would put the movie out on VHS for a
limited amount of time and then take it back, so
like you couldn't even buy the Disney movie anytime you
walked in there. It's like, okay, you can get the
Lion King on VHS for these six months, and then
if you just happen to be outside of that six

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month period, you gotta wait for another time where they
release it again.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And they would do a big thing.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
When they would do it, they would call it like
unlock or behind the Chat and whatever they would call it,
where yes, they would do that, like you said, they
would release it. Then they would pull it literally from
every plan for them, and then you know, five or
six years later they would put it back out and
then they would take it away again.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yes, they used to do that a lot too.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
The only way.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, and I used to remember because people used to
get mad because people would come in for Christmas, especially
the boy stuff for their kids, and if, like certain
movies weren't in the rotation for Disney, they would be like,
but it was just here whatever.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Don't know, it's not like I hear you. You right,
it's been five years. The movie is out somewhere.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But we ain't got it. But in that Christmas rotation
that hit it in July. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
The only way it came out earlier was that if
it flopped. I clearly remember when Vanilla Ice movie Cool
as Ice came out. It was on Blockbusters two weeks later.
Those are the days. That's funny because that meant they
had to start printing them shits before, like they printed
them vhs is while that shit was.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Still in the theater.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yes, they need we.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Already know this shit ain't fitting the work. Let's just
go ahead and get this.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
To the kids in Blockbusting two weeks.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yes, get this to the kids so they can beg
their parents to see this shit.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Because those are the only people that want to see
vanilla ice.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
In a movie, right, but that slow ed is technology
back then?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Yes, zero adults, all the kids.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Zero adults.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Let's see on YouTube comments for this episode.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
We got ten of them. Let's see all right now.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
YouTube premiere Sayskarina, I just hit the button. I don't
even know what it means. So I hit like normally,
I don't hit make it a YouTube premiere. I just
hit the button of like just publishing when it's done.
I don't know the difference between making it a premiere
or not. But apparently y'all see something different, and so
that's all that matters.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Right, It might get in front of a few more
eyeballs or something like that when you do it. Who
dose literally don't know. Yeah, I don't publish it.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Every week I click on the thing that says like,
do you want to do a premiere?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
And I'll go no.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
And I never knew it made a difference, and now
I know it makes some.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Kind of difference. I still don't know what the difference is.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
I still don't know what Corina saw that was like,
oh shit, right.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
What they sallarian?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Provocative, AF says, what's cracking Yo. Thanks for the great show.
Y'all are funny as fuck. What up Jail Rod.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
And Karen, Thank you, Thank you. Laylove says allegedly.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Cynthia's got a little homewrecker in her blood too, lol,
Cynthia Rivo. Yeah, so they got a home wrecker votron
between her.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
And in that movie.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, they both out here apparently, Missus Steele, your chick,
your man. Christoph says, I read that Mackenzie Sky has
giving away over nineteen billions since her divorce. I know
Jeffrey big mad right now. Yeah, because he's about the
accumulation of wealth, not giving it away, right. The girl
on the other side of the Road says, I love
these new thumbnails. I didn't see Wicked last year on Imax,

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but I'm definitely going on it this year.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
And Arianna Grande broke up with.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
That man he cheated and he left his wife just
to be dumped and called a That is funny and yes,
so for those that are on the YouTube channel, the
graphic for the episodes, we have like a different thing
where now I'm putting like some of the actual pictures

(15:17):
from the episode or show art from the episode, or
the topic we talked about once again. You know, it
shout out to Inflection Network and the growth that they're
trying to facilitate with the show.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Just trying out new stuff. It's why, you know, we
tried to.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
There's a different intro, there's different graphics, and you know,
some people will be mad, some people will like it.
You know, we got the people that was like I
hate this, and the people it all. You know, it's
all temporary anyway, some of it's gonna change and we'll
see how things go. But yeah, I appreciate when y'all
point out stuff like, oh, I like that, you know,
because let us know, like, okay, people do notice those differences.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Agreed, Let's see Leonard.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Leonard, though, says they wanted Kamala to come out and
tell them she was gonna push back on Israel, like
they wanted Obama to come out and say he was
gonna he was making laws for black people and pretend
like there would not be any pushback. I'm ignoring anyone
that's talking about our current political climate and start by
talking about what Democrats did wrong, because they need to
direct all that energy towards the people in power.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Love the show, Yes, they do, we're not doing that.
What are we talking about? Don't talk about people that
ain't got no power, ain't and can't do nothing. They can't,
But what are we doing here? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I have to be careful with my algorithm because when
I log onto like Twitter, based on what I'm clicking on, retweeting, liking,
stopping on that day, it reflects what I will be
seen or more of. And I can't really get heavily
into the political like cynicism and negativity and call out

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culture because I'm so angry. And so I'll stop on
something and.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Retweet it because it's like because and it's always right,
like I'm not stretching, it's not. There are things I
believe and things that are true.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
And I don't think I'm helping anybody reminding every fucking body,
But I can't help myself because I'm so angry.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
I couldn't every day I could remind everybody.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
How we got here, and sir, sometimes I log on
and there's just like certain accounts that it shows me
over and over and there are people that constantly are
pointing out like, hey, when Trump did this, you guys
have not been as upset. You guys have not called
it out. You guys have not questioning. You guys have
not called for him to step down. You guys have

(17:36):
not asked any of the people supporting him to resign.
You guys are just going along with this. But when
it was Biden, everything was on the table, no matter
how unrealistic or impractical it was. Yes, everybody had a
list of a wish list of sky high like goals
and lofty things, and when they weren't achieved, it was
like a crushing punishment of get these.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
People out of charge.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Here we go where the economy is getting fucked up,
our rights are being fucked up. Everything that you said
you didn't want under Biden and Kamala is actually worse
under Trump, and it's outage is less and you're not
confronting them, so like, I can get into that spiral
of just sharing that over and over and so I
have to be careful, but it's always true. And that's

(18:22):
what I appreciate. I appreciate about what you're saying, Leonardo.
I feel that way so strongly, where it's like, why
don't y'all who spent all that time eroding the goodwill,
eroding the positive vibes, eroding the the fact that people
felt like, maybe we're on the press of bice of
pushing some real change.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
Why don't y'all spend some time every day waking up
and banging on on these people.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's in charge, painting about like I actually.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Don't like to a certain extent, Well, I think and
oh and actually, let me give them credit, because I
would have shipped on them if they didn't shout out to.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
They got they people in line, they got they people
in order, and they did not capitulate the Trump and
the government is now shut down. I don't like that
the government shut down, but like it's nothing to rejoice about,
but shout out to showing the backbone. It's not your fault. Nope,
they have the numbers. If they don't want the government
to be open, it's because of them. And it shouldn't

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really matter that they're out there telling lies.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
You go tell the truth. That's it.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
If you're gonna make every move like but they'll lie
on us, then you'll never do anything. So just go
and use your pull pit to be Like, for those
who care that are still interested in the American truth,
here's what the fuck is happening. Here's why we didn't
vote for that shit that I can get behind that.
I respect that way more than just when we went

(19:51):
along with it, because if we didn't, they would have
don't let them set the table. So I appreciate them
doing that, and I need to give them credit right
real quick, because I definitely would bang on them if
they would have been up here in our face like,
oh no we had to vote for.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Well what else are we supposed to do?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
So I appreciate that, but yet I still say, people
spend way more time. I see people that I know
spend way more time talking about what Jeffreys and Schumer
do in a way that I'm like, I don't even
know why the fuck that would matter at this point.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Right the anority for a reason.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
There are people who are in charge that we are
not spending enough time rerailing against. And I get it,
you can do both, but there's a lot of people
spending an exorbitant amount of time on one, like people
showing up to you know, still protest Kamala Harris at
book rallies, at book sales and shit, to me, that's
such a waste.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Of fucking time. And now that you got what you want.
She ain't in power you got, so you know, you
get to go. You get to pretend that you were right. Yes, okay,
So then since you you you were right, Now, what
we're gonna do. What we gonna do, doll, y'all gonna
go run up on Trump? Right, you don't want to
hold any personal responsibility for that, And so you know,

(21:11):
for me, you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I did not. I would prefer the government not shut down.
But you know what, I would.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Also not prefer for them to slash billions of dollars
in medicaid and Medicare and food assistance to just wreck
the economy with the bullshit that they was trying to
fucking pass. I would rather them stand their ground and say, bitch,
y'all go vote and pass it.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Y'all pass it.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Y'alln't want to be held accountable. Y'all want to make
us escape goat no matter what? Well, then bitch, if
I vote for it, you gonna make me to escape. Go.
If I don't vote for you gonna make me escape go.
We're the minority, which means at this period of time,
we don't have no power.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Bitch, you go do it. I'm not. I am not
assisting you in this.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
And so y'all don't want to bring the house back
and to send it back because you do you have
to uh sweat people in and shit like that, like
you don't want to do your job.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So you know, if I.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Was in their position, I would be fucking banging every day.
And when people ask me questions to go. If you
want the government open, you need to ask my Republican,
my Republicans constituents, and that would be my words every
single goddamn day. If you want this shit to pass,
tell them to pass.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
It Back To the YouTube comments, Dark Knight just says
good showing guests.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Nathaniel says, wow the Haitian sensation preached the word at
the end, Rob with the touch push analogy and Karen
always brings it to thank you. Jason says, I saw
Jail was the guest and it brightened my whole week.
I think it's dope what he's doing with his new job.
I'm curious to see our Jail jinks factors in, Like
if he's out here advocating for keeping people in their homes,

(22:50):
is being a house going to become all the new
raged I'm hoping it doesn't affect the other people.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
I'm hoping.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
What I hope the jail jinks will be is stuff
like and I look, let's just accept that the jail
jinks is gonna happen. Let's accept that it's gonna happen,
so that it's not me wishing anything negative on jail.
I'm just hoping. I'm saying the best case of the
worst case. I hopefully it won't take anything as strong
as like, oh, the jail jinks means all his clients
are gonna not have homes. No, I think the jail

(23:19):
jinks is something like, jail has a big case, but
also there's auditions to be on a TV show or something,
or he got booked to be on another set season
of Billions for it, but they only can film it
during like the lunch break.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Or something, you know what I mean. So that's the
jail jinks.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't think it's necessarily like his clients will all die.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Like that's that's too that's that's way, that's too powerful.
But if it can fuck him.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, I can see that he get them small cuts.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Man Mackenzie Sky, I was like that, I'm the Department
of Education. Now the Penis Graffiti Man God story was good.
He was out here in Arizona. The supervillain imagery is
all there. The visual of a dude named Penis Man
dramatically shaking up the spray can before releasing is just
too perfect.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Agreed. Let's see.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Nothing on Spotify for this episode and the poets. Have
you been to a movie theater this year? Ninety of
our audience has ten yes, I have. All Right, that's it.
Let's go to a break and we will come back.
And you know after these commercials, all right, we're back.

(25:11):
The next episode is thirty one sixty five. It's cliin
versus Coach. We had three comments on our website. Appia says,
all of the based on the left now are not really
leading anywhere. In my opinion. Now is not the time
to vote, So all the talk is just content.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
For me.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I wonder what will those people do next time? Also
finding something not quite perfect about the next candidate, because
just being supportive doesn't create so much content. Yeah, you're right, man, Listen,
You're one hundred percent right that at this point is
just content. And I think one of the things I
didn't get to say and not we said so much.
But I really didn't get to mention during the Ezra

(25:49):
Kline Coach episode that we talked about. It's still striking
to me how much I know they're friends, and they
both discussed it in good faith, and I don't know
what kind of friends they are.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
They could be industry friends. I don't know that they're.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
They could be hanging out on the weekend friends, or
they could just be we're friends and colleagues in the
way that you know coworkers, the way that people just
call associates friends and industries and stuff. Anyway, all that
stuff to say, it did strike me as so self
serving of Ezra in a way where he just kind

(26:27):
of wanted his conscience cleared because he never really truly,
in my opinion, reckons with the critiques that Coats wrote
in his piece about Kurt. I don't think he does.
I think he spent most of that time trying to
question coachs and he even would say, like, let me
ask you this, and like it was a lot of that.

(26:49):
It was a lot of that, And I found that
to be kind of interesting because I don't think Coats
was there to assuage his guilty conscience. You know, I
think he was there to try to say, like, how
did you get here? And why do we see ourselves differently?
And it's just content, you know, it's I'm in some

(27:13):
ways it was like a nicer Charlie Kirk in that
I would I would venture to guess Ezra Klein was
not there to have his mind change or even to
truly exchange points of view. And ultimately, when you walk
away from that interview, I didn't feel like I walked
away from that discussion and said, Okay, Ezra Klein learned

(27:35):
something from Coats and he sees where he kind of
fucked up. You know, there's a point where I think
Coats even said, how do you feel like that you
like made mistakes or something like that.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
I forget the exact phrasing, but Ezra doesn't really say.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
He says I've made mistakes, of course, but he doesn't
say any of what they were or how.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
I just think that's.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Very interesting, it's very illuminating, because you're right, it's kind right.
I did click on it, I did watch it, and
I don't know that anything was edified. I think most
people walking away walked in how they felt. So if
you were on the client side of politics over everything,
whatever it takes to get these numbers, fucked the black people,

(28:17):
to brown people, to women, whatever, like, if we can
find a way to get the Charlie Kirk fans over
here too, then then maybe we can win. I don't
think you listened to Tai Nazi Coast and went that
was the wrong way to think about that. I see
where Coach is coming from, and I don't even know
that that's a winning strategy, but I know that the

(28:38):
wrong strategy is to keep courting these people that we
know are basically against us. Okay, And if you walked
in thinking Coach was right like I did, I highly
doubt you listening to Ezra kleinin felt a compelling argument
and was like, oh, I see, yeah, okay, we need
to get we need to have more empathy for the

(29:00):
deplorables and bring them over. And I think the other
part that was a huge distraction from it is I
don't think.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I don't think that client never proves his argument.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Now I did bring that up during the show, and
I don't want to reiter rate on it too long,
but just I don't think he proved his argument of.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
That will win an election.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
And one of the reasons that I don't think he
proved it is partially his fault. He does not truly
seem to respect the work of Joe Biden and the
accomplishments of Joe Biden. And that's a huge hole in
his argument because Joe Biden, to me, is a lot
of the ammunition for the client side.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Of this debate.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
But if you refuse to give that man credit, you
can't really use him as ammunition to be like, oh, well,
Joe Biden got the most votes of all time. He
beat Trump, and he didn't beat Trump with a super
leftist agenda. He beat Trump with what people perceive as
a centrist agenda. Now, I might not be true that

(30:00):
it was centrist. We talked about that a nauseum on here,
I think, but I think Joe Biden is such an old,
straight white man to people in America that the second
he hops on board with something, it just becomes it becomes.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Moderate to people, not normal moderate.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Meaning if he says give the student loans back, it
goes from radical extreme leftists to well, that's just the
mainstream democratic point of view. Now that's not true, but
that his green New deal was like that, The gun
legislation was like that. Like none of his stuff was
called radical because it's Joe Biden. Other than like super
hardcore conservatives calling him radical. For the most part, your

(30:38):
average American doesn't think of him as a radical guy.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
And politics is very much.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
About feelings for a lot of people, feelings that are nebulous.
You can't change them just there's no math and science
to just this will change everyone's feelings.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
But anyway, so I thought it.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Was interesting because as I thought about it after we
did this episode, I was like, yeah, it was content,
It wasn't really substantial. Client will continue to feel and
say the things that he was saying before and after
the Charlie Kirk thing. Of course, nothing will be changed
for him, and Coach will continue to do his thing,

(31:14):
and I doubt anything will be changed for him because
it wasn't really an exchange of ideas.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
It was just something that almost tricked us into thinking
that I one hundred percent agree in, you know, And
because I know people don't want to hear this now,
I said it before. I am very simplistic about a
lot of these things. I just want to vote, like
and maybe it's just me and my impatience and me

(31:40):
just wanting to get all this fucking bushit over with
that we're going through. I'm like, nothing nothing matters to
me until you say it is time to vote. Everything
else prior to that is a waste of my mother
fucking time, all the complaining, all the him and it hunt,

(32:01):
all the debates. In my mind, it does not matter.
The Only thing that matters to me are the results
of the elections, because that's when I know if you're
serious or you're bull shitting me.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, Song said, I enjoyed your take on Client's code conversation.
I would love to hear you interview Coats man. I
love that too. I don't got his number, but I
love that too.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
One time I wanted to interview him just because I mean,
he's I'm not saying.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
He's like reclusive or anything, but you know, he don't
be on the internets no more with everybody, And I
don't blame him. I really think I hated the Internet
era of like people harassing Tanazi Coats. I hated it
because a lot of it was pure jealousy, envy.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
A lot of it was people like, you know, bad
faith shit.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
It was and He's a long form thoughtful person that
I love to read his lung. I love to read
his books. I love to read the long form writing.
And he was a big Canarian. The coal mine for
me being like, I don't think this social media shit
is gonna work, because when you take someone thoughtful like
that and reduce it to whatever nitpick you personally want

(33:15):
to have so you can elevate yourself, that's not good.
That's not good for any of us, Like if you
had some thoughtful like and it's not like every time
I've read Coach and heard him speak, I've been.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Like agreed one hundred percent. There's times where I'm like,
I don't know about that when my.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Dude, But even with that, it's the level of like
vitriol towards him the love. It showed me something because
I was like, if you can't take a step back
and be like, I see the kind of work this
man is trying to do, and like I remember one
of the big criticus was a lot of black when
Black Feminism TM Twitter was trying to like get on,

(33:55):
they were treating him like he was a gatekeeper when
he wasn't, and I thought that was really bad, not
and by they not obviously not all of obviously, not
even most, but a few people were really banging on
him like he was keeping people out of the game somehow,
regardless of is whatever real life ways he was putting
people on, whatever real life ways he was showing up,

(34:17):
regardless of who controlled those platforms. It was like, I
don't like that he's there and I'm not. Yep, And
that was a big thing for It taught me. It
told me how to navigate shit, like there was opportunities.
I was like, I don't know if that's for me,
because I don't feel like dealing with the kind of
person that is such a fucking transactional like.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
I want to be on that.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
They looking at me like I'm the problem, you know,
like all I did, I got called, I got booked,
I got like I didn't tell them, and but I
realized like, oh, this isn't really about that. It's just
you look into bio. They got something to sell anyway,
My point being, uh, yeah, I'd love the interview to dude,
but the irony is I want to talk to him

(35:02):
about comic books and shit too, like I think everybody
will probably look maybe he likes that, but I don't, like,
I love to talk to him about some something besides
just I mean, obviously that stuff would come up, but
I want to talk to him about more than just
the politics and voting and shit, because I actually remember
when he used to talk about comic books, and I

(35:24):
mean he wrote my favorite run a Black Panther.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, a lot of people are that running.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
A lot of math said since he stopped writing it,
they was like, it ain't as good, it's not as deep.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
No, no disrespect to anybody after him. I still need
to catch up on some of the Black Panthers, but
ain't nobody doing like him with the like Intergalactic Empire,
Wakanda and the time travel space.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
So anyway, all that shit to say, like.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
There's a bunch of people I'd love to have on
the show that, you know, for whatever reasons, either the
schedules or they you know, And it could just be
them looking at this type of show we do and
be like nah, or it's not big enough for whatever
right or their own personal boundaries, you know, Like I
totally understand people being like I'm only popping up a
couple times a year or here or there, and it's

(36:09):
not gonna be for you because you're not in the lane.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
But yeah, I would love to have him on.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
All right.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
The next comment is from Pamelo says, yes, regarding Karen's
guest spot on The Sandy Check with Chris, that's where
I first found you. I started with that podcast and
Character Corner, and you both guessed it on The Sandy
Check and never had my hoosier from Indiana Ears heard
such country voices. I immediately started with your podcast, became

(36:37):
a Premium member, and I got around one eight hundred
more back episodes nine sixty through seventeen fifty two to
go before him all caught up. Oh my god, you're
still doing that, and wow, oh my god, oh my god,
that's so you're gonna, if God willing, you're.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Gonna have listened to every single episode we've done. That's amazing.
Parallel Wow.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Eve says, I think a lot of these leftists are
not getting it because they don't want to. They don't
want to do the work because it's too hard, and
on some level they know if they do, they will
realize a large reason we're in this mess is because of.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Them, and no one wants to take responsibility of greed. Yeah,
not one hundred percent agree. People don't want to take responsibility. People,
it's easier for you to complain and do nothing that
it is for you to actually do the work.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
This is the lesson that client can't take from coach.
But it's emblematic of something big because it's not just them,
it's kind of white people in general.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
And when black people.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Talk about how just because we're in an alliance with
democratic white folks and they are better than obviously the
conservative white folks, we're always kind of emphasizing, like, but
it ain't.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Perfect, it ain't great.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Now.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Sometimes we deal with racism over here, even though be unintentional,
or it might be hush hushed, it might take a
different form, but we are still dealing with it, right,
And part of it is and it's hard, right, It's
hard for a person of privilege.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Let's take race out of it and turn it into
men women, Right, I have male privilege.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
I'm a man.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
It is hard for someone conditioned in a society to
believe ultimately in themselves and to think that the way
things are set up is while it might be unfair,
I'm not an unfair person.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Individually, it is hard for a lot of times people
to accept in a situation they don't know better because
societies told them they do know better, and they don't
think of themselves as participating or contributing to the patriarchy
or whatever it is that is downtrying other people. So,

(38:55):
for example, it is the WNBA, right, WNBA. I know
so many male sports figures who have never really consumed
or thought about WNBA until Kaitlin Clark was coming, right,
And part of it is they don't feel like compelled

(39:15):
to watch it for whatever reasons. And part of it
is also just they don't feel comfortable talking about it
because they don't really know shit, right, And that's fine.
All of us started a place of not knowing shit.
The problem is is ego right, it's my job and
I still don't know shit. That's not a good look.
I probably shouldn't even talk about it. Cool, So you
have to pick, You have to basically pick your poison.

(39:37):
Don't talk about it and because you don't know, and
then people go you don't even talk about it, Wow,
that's fucked up, or talk about it and you don't know,
and you gotta deal with the people that go in
that don't do no more than you to go that's wrong,
that's wrong, could have said that better. That's fucked up.
You didn't know this. Everybody knows that. And of course

(39:58):
the third option was no in Texas. Start watching the sport,
start learning about the sport, brush up on the history
of the sport. Bring on people that do know about
the sport. Play the back role. It works, It can
work perfectly. Very few people have chosen this option.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
I don't know why not. Well, I do know why.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's male privilege, right, I think it's male privilege. I
think it's almost a shame that because it's content. It's
almost a shame that you'll see more examples of. Let
me bring on Monica McNutt so I can shout over
her from steven A Smith and true like, let me
listen to her, let me accept I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
And you'll watch him.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Do that with other athletes that play like football or something.
When the football player says something that may sound a
bit preposterous to steven A, but he'll even say multiple
times like now you.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Know the game, you played the game?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I don't know, da da da right, But when it's women,
it's hard for people to be like, actually, don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
You know, when they wore those shirts at the at
the All.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Star Game, when they danced with Kat their commissioner Kathy Engelberg,
when they were talking about there might need to be
a work stoppage negotiations, there were so many men who
were like advising them and talking down to them and
I know how to get some money and shit like that.

(41:23):
And the truth of the matter is if they were
to push their egos out of it, and especially with
the fact that they don't necessarily know what is they
don't know those women, so don't really know anything more
than just like the very surface level thoughts on them.
And once Kaitlyn Clark stopped playing, you almost saw no

(41:43):
coverage from those men because they don't watch.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Those games, right, coverage almost they don't care. Disintegrated.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yes, Anyway, if they would have took a step back,
they'd realized those women have been leading the fights that
they are talking about advising them on. So things like
getting that black lives matter on the court, they did
that first, say her name. They did that first.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
When it came to getting.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
A racist owner out of their league, who owned the team,
they did that without a commissioner coming in to intervene.
They didn't need an adam Silver. They were like, we
refuse to work for this racist motherfucker. Y'all gonna have
to do something. And they stood on that. Other teams
still with them, other players still with them. It wasn't
a one person thing. When it comes to the way

(42:38):
they're going at their commissioner now, they don't play that shit.
There's nothing to say to them in an advisory role
for real, because they seem to already have been about this.
They prepared for this, this unrival thing. They prepared for
this for years. If you don't recognize that work, or

(43:00):
you don't really or you're like privileged, doesn't allow you
to truly see them as fully formed human beings who
may know more than you or may not need your
specific help. Maybe you can just call balls and strikes
on it, right instead of being like, hey, listen, ladies,
let me tell you, like it could just be a.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
A I see what y'all doing.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Damn respect, because you know what, if the NFL Union
did this shit, they be kneeling on the field. The
Cabernick have a job, Like if they were like, we'll
shut shit down on the principle of it not just
the fucking because we want some money, but like we'll
shut shit down because.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
We don't like the way you get down.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
You're not gonna make my black body do some shit
that I don't fucking agree with. I don't give a
fuck what the money look like, they would change shit,
but there's not that amount of solidarity.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Amoust have men?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Right so because they haven't had to.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
My point is I mean, but black people have had to.
But NFL players have shut it down before, right, So,
like we've watched Kirk Flood, like we've watched men in
situations where they had to they would, they would find
a way, right, But now they got privileged, they got
some of them did get paid. Some of them have

(44:15):
found ways in the ownership and into the you know,
the white conservative power structure. They are no longer combined
of mind, even though they are still in the same plight.
They don't feel some of them quarterbacks don't think they're
in the same plight with a defensive back. You see
what I'm saying, Yes, and and and and that's why

(44:35):
I made that statement. And I didn't mean that for
the past. I mean right down, Oh, they're talking about
all of it. Yeah, right, as as of right now,
they don't have to do that because of the the
the how people get paid in the structure. But in
reality they are all still employees, yes, you know, and
so like like if they really wanted to stand ten
toes down, they actually could because they are the largest sport.

(44:59):
It's amazing how they the largest sport make all this
got them money.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
But when you.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Look at the players Association, shit, a lot of it
is some of the weakest out there as far as
the men go.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
And you're like, this don't make no sense. Y'all should
have my rights, right.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
My point is when you say they haven't had to,
I just want to reiterate They've had situations in the
past where they put it this way. The WNBA doesn't
have to. They don't have to. They could be like,
just sign the CBA. Let's just fucking get whatever percentage
we can go into the next year, and let's just

(45:34):
keep playing ball. Look look at the ratings, look at
the fucking valuations. We don't want to stop this train, guys,
Let's just keep it going. They're standing on principle because
they are convicted.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
You know what I'm saying. They are like we in
this together other team.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Other players around the league are like, yeah, I'm with Fee,
like we play against each other.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I'm still with Fee.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Ex players, I'm with feed Right, I'm saying, like, it's
not just it's not a matter of even having to
do it as much as it's a matter of the
willpower to do it.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
The men don't have a willpower, the women have a willpower.
I one hundred percent agree, And I in my personal opinion,
I think a lot of that has to do with
and I might be wrong, but with a lot of
the oppression that women have to deal with anyway, I
think a lot of that comes from that. Because it's
ridiculous that as much money as y'all making, y'all make
with eight nine percent of the total profits, like I'm seven,

(46:30):
I'm sorry of the total profits.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Like that don't make no sense.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Right, But what about the men that are black that
have experienced other oppression outside.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Of the sports too?

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Like those to me, those men, those seventy percent of
NFL players, that eighty some percent or whatever it is
of NBA players, they do have some experience with oppression
that should unify And I'm wanting to point out and
I think it matters to point out the will.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Isn't there the will? I think, yeah, yep, yeah, because
because that's an internal thing. Yes, like they have the same,
if not more leveragees I'm with you, Yeah they do.
They have more leverage to shut shit down. Yeah, they do,
like shutting down a business that is even more value
than the w NBA. I put it artist to say,

(47:18):
skip pass it.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
I'm sorry getting so technical. My main point is this,
if they saw the women as a blueprint, they'd be
the ones fucking the NBA in the NFL up right
now if they saw the women as a blueprint. But
I think because of our own privileges as men, we
don't really see women as someone to emulate. That's why

(47:41):
you have men like Steven A, men like mad Dog
who says I don't even watch the league and then
he starts yelling on TV. You have these guys saying
this stuff in almost a condescending manner because in their mind,
all they're thinking is me, big man, listen, latest, let
me tell you women what to do, okay, what you

(48:02):
need to be doing. And maybe they do that with
men too, but they can't see the optics of how
it's different. Right, and if they were, I think if
there were some real ones, they'd be able to sit
back and be like, I'm taking notes, yeah, and y'all
are y'all are fighting in a way that's much harder
than I've seen anybody else fight. I'm not here to teach,

(48:23):
I'm here to learn.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
And also, in my personal opinion, like a lot of
men do, a lot of them are highly offended that
they look at them and be like, whon the fuck
what y'all talking about?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
We're gonna do whatever we're gonna.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Do, y'all can YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, All y'all want
to about how y'all think we wrong and how you
know the man's speech and then tell us these things.
But these are not These are not stupid women. They're
very smart and intelligent, and I think sometimes some of
them people get very offended when they do things quote
unquote the opposite or either they don't go the way
that they think this day should be. They were like

(48:55):
why Basically, sometimes I hear some of them say, why
ain't y'all money hunker? Why ain't y'all out here trying
to get your what's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (49:01):
You know?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
A type of thing, and you don't think that they're
not offended in or upset by the words that are
coming out of your mouth. Yeah, but the thing is
they are fighting for the money. This is how they fight.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
And I say all that to say because that wasn't
the point of my tent. I went on that tended
to say, I imagine that for a lot of those
women in the WNBA, A lot of women that are
fans of the WNBA, A lot of people that are
fans of w may listen to our podcasts, that listen
to these other shows. I'm sure there's a level of
like rolling your eyes, right, Like when you hear somebody

(49:34):
because you're listening to their shows, you're watching their TV shows.
You're doing it because you're like, whatever you're getting, you
want these people to be on point and give perspectives
that you either agree with or that enlighten you.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
And when you see that they're not challenging themselves at
choosing to be low information, when you see they're relying
on these stereotypes and caricatures, when you see they're still
very gendered in their analysis, right, party, you starts to go, Man,
I'm not gonna stop listening. I don't hate this guy,
but on this area, I don't know that they're on point,

(50:08):
and their ego seems to be bigger than just being
on point, like their ego is more important and being like,
well shit, I don't know if laid it out, I
don't really got nothing to say.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
She just did a good job and we'll see how
it works out. We'll check back in. Yeah, and you
know what, a lot of that don't make content, and
like we were talking about before, like it's not sexy.
But but I'm sure they do it with other topics too.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
But my point being being in a party with even
liberal white folks, as a black person, we always feeling
like that. I use gender to make the analogy, but
racially it is still very similar to where I would
not say Ezra Klein is my enemy, even if he

(50:51):
himself seems to have let his ego turn into anyone
who is saying they don't agree with me is drawing
a line and kicking me out of the party. Or
I have literal white supremacists on my podcast and people
say they don't like that, and then they go, I'm
a Nazi or I'm platform and Nazis, Well, my ego
is more important than their thoughts on it because they

(51:13):
can't possibly be right.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
I'm the only one who can be right here.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
I am doing what I'm morally convicted to do, and
they they just don't get it because they you know,
And so a lot of those people that are saying that,
a lot of times it's black folks right that are like, Ezra,
I don't think the way you're moving is good.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
I don't think it's helpful. I think you might be mistaken.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
His ego is more about why why am I being
kicked out the party? Not what do I what happens
to my house when I invite a person that hates
someone else into the house and go we all having
a party together?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
And also sometimes and this goes back to white supremacy
and the things that black people have to deal with,
it's very insulting because it's one of the things where
they're gonna be like it's almost like, well, I ain't
I'm doing this for you people, and you're like, well, bitch,
this is not what I ask for. I'm telling you,
this is not what I'm demanding or asking for. And
like you said, that ego part in them is going,

(52:10):
but I'm doing this for you. I'm standing up you know, no,
you're not. You stand up for yourself. At this period
of time. There is a difference between stand up for
calls and standing up for yourself. Yes, they can intertwine
at times, please don't get me wrong, but there is
a difference. And sometimes when people point out that the difference,
you know, sometimes people get offended by it.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I think the lesson that I would have loved to
see as a client take from that was not one
of I'm right or I'm wrong, or I defeated Coats
with my superior logic, or he defeated me. I think
the lesson that if he would have truly had empathy
for Coats and all the people Coats represents in that room,
there's a lesson of empathy that is, Oh, you never

(52:56):
get to have the perfect candidate.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Mm hmmm, you never have had that. You don't have
the perfect ally, you don't have the perfect friend in me,
you don't like you're always dissatisfied, and yet you've never
given up.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Always dissatisfied.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
That's the that's the lesson that was not relayed there
or communicator. I mean it was communicated but not received.
And I think that's why it's so disheartened. That's why
you're gonna see so many people talk about it that
are black, that are like, yeah, as it sounds like this, this,
and this, because what they really felt was like, you
have more empathy for the idea that someone doesn't like

(53:32):
Charlie Kirk and conservative Republicans. You have more empathy for
people that said lock her up, that said Joe and
the whole gotta go. You have more empathy for people
that said that, that retweet the racist, racist caricature of.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Her Keem Jefferys in a sombrero.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
You have more empathy for what can we do to
be nice to them to get them in the house,
unless for me, who is telling you, I will not
be in a house with these motherfuckers burning it, they
not coming in. And also if they come in, I like,
I have to look at you sideways for inviting them in.
I sure you know this is this is sinners and

(54:13):
you and you letting the vampires in, And you want
me to look at you like we're in the same
fight together.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
We're not, you know, yeah, we're not.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
And and and it's one of those things where it's
like you're looking like, why do you have more empathy
for the people outside of the house on to burn
the house than the people that I'm in here with you.
We're trying to keep the house up and clean and
fixing and repairing. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Like you said, you're defeating the.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
He's like, I want to have the biggest house party ever,
and we're like, we don't want to have the house
party with the people with the torches outside.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
We don't want them at the party.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
And and the thing that he'll never be able to
understand is if you let the people with the torches
inside the house, the house will burn down.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yes, it will.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
He don't understand it because in his mind he's like, no,
we'll get them over here and then it won't be
as bad.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
It's like, no, it'll be worse.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Now our house is on fire from the inside in
a way that it wasn't before.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
Like right, like, maybe we could have put out.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
A few of these fires, Maybe we could have figured
something out. Maybe you wait until the people on the
outside get exhausted and run out of resources and.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Leave until they come back next time.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Right now, it's just everything burning, because now we've let
the fire inside.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
All right, all right, let's see the YouTube comments. How
mean we got none? All right? Anime Prince says.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
In Barack Obama's twenty twelve reelection campaign, all his margins
in every state he won in two thousand and eight
was cut in half. His white support dropped from forty
four to thirty nine percent. He became the first president
in modern history to win less votes than his initial election. Afterwards,
Obama was very open about one of his successive to
be Hillary Clinton, a white woman, and I think most

(55:57):
of us remember how she was treated. I say all
that because I agree with coachs there's a cultural backlash
happening that Ega Klein doesn't want to admit that maybe
not all of us, all of it is cultural, but
the vast majority of it is. I give you the
farmers who voted for Trump three times despite the fact
Peo were in their farms the first time with terrors.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
I think it's interesting too, because like if, like I said,
it's a WNBA. If you can't really accept that maybe
you're in the learning position and not the teaching position,
you can't really say that you're sitting across from an
equal and in some cases sitting across from fromody to
actually know better than you.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
That's how it felt.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
It felt like Clin would have to accept that maybe
Coach knows better than me, and he was not willing
to accept that. So there was really no point in
the discussion, because what's the point of having a discussion
if you want to accept like, maybe they know and
I don't. Let's see lhh in my Nie says high
Rod and Karen. I really appreciated this show so much.

(56:56):
Thank you for saying just saying what it is. The
foundation of this place is a criminal inn applies enterprise.
I watched client Coach talk Climb wants to win at
all costs, like you observe. However, all money is not
good money. He just does not want to get that idea.
Coach had the patience I do not currently possess. I
wanted Coach to give a deep Negro side and say, really, Ninja,

(57:17):
continue success.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
To you, always expect it. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Now Coach did his thing, man, and that's the kind
of thing where like I could do some of what
Coach did in that room. I think all of us
could sit across from people and have that discussion. But
I truly don't know how many of us think it's
worthwhile at this point.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
It's not You're not wasting my time like I think.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
It's almost like some of us are in a position
of just huddling down and waiting this out. You know,
this whole country is a cracker barrel right now, where
it really ain't got nothing to do with us, but
we got to pay the cost for other people letting
their guard down. Yeah, So now just huddled up trying
to survive, and I don't know that a conversationation is

(58:01):
gonna help me anymore than just shutting the fuck up
and letting you eventually hopefully come to the conclusion on
your own as more and more shit arose around you
and you realize, you know what, Kama wouldn't have been
that bad, right, Like, that's that's how every every vote
black people have ever placed in this country has been.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
You know what, they wouldn't be that bad. But Joe
Biden election was one hundred percent Black people in the
South being like, it won't be that bad, that's it.
It wasn't like, God, damn, I love me some Joe
Biden with my Joe Biden shirt.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
For most people he was not their number one candidate.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Yeah, but it was a we get it, y'all won't
take Hillary. Joe Biden won't be that bad, right, My
mom says, excellent analysis a client coach conversation, the cognitive
dissonance that client and people of his mindset are disappointed
and dangerous.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
To black people.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Are other people of color agreed? And a bunch of
other groups too in the party.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
CPJ says.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Morgan says, absolutely regarding your take on client's clin coach's
interview as the things coats and black people generally are
being too fatalistic. When being fatalistic is the way Black
people have always had to navigate America because we have
to see reality for what it is so we can
fight back clearly to make strides in life better for us. Yeah,
and also like realism and fatalism are different.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Once again, even the framing of the argument, it felt
like I gotcha. That was like the out of the
fucking first out of the chamber was like, yeah, I
would say you're too fatalistic. I'm like, what the fuck?
Like you definitely thought about that. I thought that word
would be like, oh damn, got me there.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I'm not saying you don't fight because you're gonna lose.
I'm saying you fight sometimes.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
You still lose.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Agree.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Client thinks he can live in a world where there's
only winning, there's only adding, there's only progress, And I
more worry about people like that giving up.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Yes, I'm not gonna give up.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
You ain't never heard of me and Karen, no matter
what the fuck has happened, we ain't never been up
in here, like, well, that's it. Uh, guys, we're not
voting anymore. We won't be covering politics on this show.
Don't worry about that. Like, none of us have given up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Because if we were giving up because the odds were daunting,
my ancestors would have gave up a long time ago. Right,
we wouldn't exist. Right. And it's also, you know, one
of those things where you know, people like that are
scary because it's like the second their feelings get hurt,
the second you talk against their ego, the second things

(01:00:35):
don't go their way, the second they gotta push a
little bit harder, the second they gotta hear shit they
don't want to hear. The second they got they got
to sacrifice, they got to give up shit. The second
they not in charge, the second they can't tell other
people what to do, they kind of wither and and
and fold and run away and blame everybody else and
won't take personal responsibility for these things. Because at some

(01:00:57):
period of time, you got to have an internal talk
with your because, like for me, right now, I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I'm very.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Angry, sad, disappointed. I'm still heard about Joe Biden, I'm
still heard about Kamona.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I am hurt. But you know what I'm gonna do.
Fight through my tears that I still.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
Do cry sometimes, fight through that bullshit and say I
don't give a damn about how I feel. What matter
are the end results, and I am not going to
give up regardless of what I see right now in
front of me. I have to have faith and I
have to have hope that eventually these people will come
to their senses. I hope we don't have to lose everything.

(01:01:36):
I know we're gonna have to lose something because right
now a lot of people are in denial about the
shit that they see going around them. They would well
to waste time about shit that don't matter instead of
talking about the shit that does matter and holding people
personally responsible that actually have power. Because and my thing
is like, y'all everybody act like they're the only ones mad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
No, bitch, I'm mad too.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
But what I'm also doing, I'm I'm doing what I
can And what I can do is take my black
ass to the poll and vote. What I can do
is talk to my family members, be like, niggas, get
it together. That's what I can do. I'm not gonna
sit around and tell people not to vote. I'm not
gonna sit around and tell you that your feelers are
not valid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
They are valid.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
But once you get through this big ball of emotions, bitch,
you're gonna have to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You can't sit there and do nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
I think the other not that i'm the word thinking,
I'm talking about it again. I think the other thing
that black people picked on picked up on with Ezra Klein,
and I think I know I picked up on it
in politics in general. But it's why there's only so
far you can go with white liberals TM, not individually,

(01:02:46):
but in mass Bernie Sanders is a big turn off
because of this too. It's their worldview is that white
people can't just be wrong that's what it is. That's
what it is, simply that because and I say that
because when I am like oh, Obama lost a certain

(01:03:12):
amount of white support and it never came back after
his first term. I don't listen to the Megan Kelly's
of the world that say he was the most divisive
president ever. I think Megan Kelly's are racist, right, And
I think many of those white folks who decided they
were never gonna support Barack Obama again, I think they're racist.

(01:03:38):
I do too, And like where I would depart from
Coats is where he says he doesn't see people as deplorables.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Or whatever I do, I do too. Individually.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
I absolutely think there are some people that are just
beyond redemption.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
I don't. I'm not beholding to believe in them in
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
And so I think one of the things that holds
us back is that we will not accept some people
are not swayed by a political argument, but they are
actually just going to do what they do and it's
not about how you play the game. Meaning well, if
Hillary would have said this, they wouldn't have been sexist,

(01:04:19):
and then they and or that the set they would
have overcame their sexism to vote for her anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
They can't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
They really truly cannot process because you know, many of
these are the family members, their colleagues, the guys they
argue with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
And because I have a separation, I'm like, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
It's and it's not their identity. So being a white
man who disagrees with another white man in front of us,
like Gavin Newsom did with Charlie Kirk, or like Ezra
Klein did with Jordan Peterson, they see it only as
a value add They don't see it as I do,
and many other people see it as a negative of like,
oh wow, you're not really understanding this this moment. You're

(01:04:57):
calling it fatalism. But I think your internal optimism that
Jordan Peterson is not using you to promote his own
brand and gonna go right back to his people and
be racist and build his build his legacy and build
his his reach. You're you're the frog helping the score
of me across the river. And then you think I'm
an asshole for sitting on the on the side of

(01:05:19):
the river on the bank, going that scorpion's gonna stab
you and it's not gonna work, And you're like.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Wow, what a fatalistic view. That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Okay, all right, let's see back to these comments. This
is my thought, Marvelette says, this is my thought on
the Mom Donnie election in New York. I think this
is the Bernie Sanders test of if it's a progress
if the progressive movement without black support can work. Mom
Donnie was able to win with less of the black votes.
This would be ideal for the white liberals who want

(01:05:49):
to suppress black issues in the messaging. They want a
solid voting base on white, white voters like the Republicans.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I hear everything you're saying, but when I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Tell you, I could not care less right now because
I don't live there, and the voters need to decide,
and I don't extrapulate anything extra out of New York
City because I think New York City is like looking
at Gotham and trying to extrapulate something into the rest

(01:06:20):
of the DC universe, like that shit seen to operate
on his own fucking thing, and I don't really understand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
It, will never know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
And I hope it works out for the people that
live there, cause they're the one that's gonna be impacted
by me sitting my black ass and shot of North
Carolina when I have no impact about the mayor of
New York City. Anyway, We'll see in a month what happens.
I like I have. I don't even like spending time
talking about that election. It's really up to them, And
I don't mean it. I mean it in the way that,

(01:06:48):
like I said.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
How people that don't follow the WNBA maybe just sit
it out, you know, so, like it's silence not an option.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Silence is gonna be my option.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
I don't have nothing against that man, and I really
don't want to get into the shit show the content
factory that that has become, where it's just Cramo putting
out AI videos and fucking mom Donnie walking through the
street and Eric Adams bench pressing. It feels like a
Simpsons episode. It's crazy, and it's so designed for Internet
consumption that it's It does something to my brain that

(01:07:20):
makes me feel sad. It doesn't make me feel good. Agreed,
But good luck to everyone working that out over there.
Donal TiO says, ry you eloquently summed up the whole.
Ezra Klein, white boy state of mind. I wanted to
listen to the episode, but I couldn't stomach someone willing
to disregard my humanity for votes. Yeah, that's fine, you know,
I think that's what's interesting is uh, people will come

(01:07:42):
down on black folks, women, whoever, people that don't want
to listen to that conversation, But like, how dare you
not feel like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Listening to that shit?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
And the whole time that's a conversation about the people
that won't listen to Ezra Kline or Kna House cos
whole conversation. Those are people that are not coming over
to hear that point of view. You know, where are
these stories? Where is this support? Where is this show
me the evidence that you are swaying people? Where's all

(01:08:12):
the people from the Jordan Peterson episode. There's like I
was fucking racist and supporting him, but then I heard
him on your show, Ezra, and now I'm not racist
and I'm supporting you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
It's a fucking fantasy. It's a fantasy. I'm resolute after
that election because I'm like, I can't imagine a more
obvious set of circumstances that we are in a fight
and these are the people on this side and you
just gotta fight them. It ain't gonna be no negotiation.
It's talking times for over. Ain't no more talking. I'm

(01:08:43):
not talking, I'm not discussing. It's one of them things.
But you got to be on site, bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
The grunch of his heart is not growing three sizes
at the end of this chapter. And if we and that,
that is the fatalism to me of this belief and
this hope that it is on the horizon that all
these minds are gonna be change and they'll realize that
they are just wrong for this. No, we can't keep
holding out waiting for that. We got to figure out

(01:09:07):
a way to save ourselves. Someone else put Ezra Klein
in the end of Phony White livel Rough critique of
Cono Coats Climb debate.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
And it's just a link to somebody's YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
So I don't know if it's just them trying to
promote someone's YouTube on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Our thing or something that they said, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Yeah, maybe they're trying to get like someone else to
like go listen to someone else's YouTube. Anyway, I'm not
clicking it because it seems like it's a long ass.
I mean, I clicked it, but I'm not playing it
right now because it's yes, eighteen minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
What am I gonna do play eighteen minutes? So I
guess that's just for people on YouTube. Dark now just
says food for thought, thanks, and then the uh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
On Spotify we got two comments. S love, says Karen.
I swear your description of yourself as a talkative, gabby
extrovert matches me as a person exactly. A story about
you and ride at breakfast and you had to get
out a bunch of words.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
It's me, it's me, Shady Dan, says Karen. I hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I'm tired of fighting. I've been marching, protesting, and voting
since Rodney King. I have a queer black daughter. When
you're threatened, you can fight.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Flee, or freeze.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Most people I know are in the freeze mode waiting
for black women to fight. Well, for the first time,
I'm going to flee. As I typed this, I'm in
an airport headed to Scope countries in Europe with my husband.
I'm looking at this as this as another black migration.
Instead of leaving the South, we're leaving the US.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
That's shady Dan, and I understand why people you know
feel that way and like I said, it's gonna be interesting.
All the all them emails, all them please, all them
We raising money and shit like that, Like you know,
black women, you know, depending on how you're raising, how
old you are, religion and shit like that. We've been

(01:10:49):
talked to give money, like giving money. It's what we
motherfucking do sometimes when we ain't got we a give
And so it's gonna be interesting when you know the
money's not there, the phone calls out there, you're not
getting response, emails back, you knowing shit like that, Like
you know, for a lot of people, Uh, Kamala Lousa
was just lapping the face.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
What are they gonna do because they ain't really been
quantifying it yet. It's not really organized as not an
election year. But I am very concerned what happens when
all these numbers come back and you're starting to see
an erosion and support from black women. Nobody's fucking talked

(01:11:29):
about it yet because they haven't even considered it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Right, they just considered we're just gonna all show the
fuck back up, and we're not. I don't have the
and I have only anecdotal evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Somebody that collects numbers will know better than us, because
it's gonna show up if it's if it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Be a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
And the reason I'm saying that is not because there's
two things here, the first being I don't look at
black women as like.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
These superhero heroes who.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Have no humanity and they just get up and fight
like Superman every day and they don't give a fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
You can beat them down, they'll always be back.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
And I know there are some people that actually revel
in that idea of like the super black woman. I
think when you put super on anybody, you take away
that human Yes, you do, because you make it like
the bullet stots don't hurt them too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Right, Come on, now, we don't feel the impact.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Black women have been fighting for their own safety, and
then we have turned it into they fighting for all
of us. What they're fighting for helps all of us,
but they are fighting for themselves too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
This is not They're not dumb. They don't just wake
up like, let me take care of the world. They
wake up and they go, shit, I'm on the front
row of the world being fucked up. How do I
stop this? Stem this tide? And what we told them
last election was not you not you take all that stuff,
but we won't take we don't want the black woman

(01:12:58):
rapping on it. And so that's the first part. The
second part is this, And this is why I say
I bring it up now, and there's time to be
consulting and trying to like humanize and find a motivation
to shore up that base, to make sure that black

(01:13:19):
women do want to show up, that people aren't disillusioned.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
What are we spending that time doing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Debating how we get the Charlie Kirks of the world
into the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
And think they're gonna be okay with it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
I just I don't know how you're not a bit
concerned that next year, the the off cycle election year,
that everyone's gonna want.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
A blue wave.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
I don't know how you're not concerned about the potential
of a lack of organization, the potential lack of volunteers,
the potential of a lack of.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Just brain and will power, you know, the people.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Because let's say, like the shady Dan said she's thinking
of leaving the country. There's a lot of people that
are going to stand the country, but they're leaving the country.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
You understand, Yes, they are that are like fuck this, Yeah,
and you bought up a good thing for a lot
of black women. Depending on your age and how politically
engaged you are, a lot of these women head organizations,
the president, vice president for you know, CEO of a
lot of these organizations. A lot of these women have

(01:14:27):
a lot of knowledge and wisdom and untruth be told,
a lot of these white people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Run a lot of times.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
They come to these black organizations to do the work
and going to communities that they don't want to go into.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
A good friend told me after the election, we're not
even at the election, but when they were looking to see,
like who's going to replace body on the ticket, and
they were saying, well, it shouldn't be Kamala whatever, and
I was like, it's going to be Kamala. It can
only be Kamala. Honestly, every other discussion is essentially stupid.
And it was Kamala, and it was her. She was

(01:14:59):
really choice and every and it's like and I was like,
because what do you do if you go to the
base of the black of the party, black women and
go y'all the most dependable voters. But we're going with
Gavin Newsome, with skipping over Kamla Harris I said.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
Uh what happens? And he was like essentially where else
they gonna go? And I was like, m y'all don't
get it yet. You know a lot of people think
like that home not voting. Y'all don't get it yet,
You're going to lose.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
You think everybody else are the only people that have
the option to be like.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
Fuck it right this you don't want. I don't know
what you're gonna do in a country where a lot
of the base of the party has said fuck it
because you spent nothing, but the you spent nothing. You
spent every single second of this election loss talking about
how you're gonna get some people that absolute abhor the

(01:16:01):
base of the party and you to come into the tent.
I like anyway, strategy wise, I don't know it to work.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
And I don't want to put this on Democrats because
like the conversations are being had in podcasts and talk
show like, I'm not watching a lot of Democrats make
this calculus.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
So maybe the party's not gonna do it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
I don't know, but some are. Gavin Newsom definitely is
entertaining it. Some of the comments after the loss and
how you know, even uh Tim Walls like some of
those comments were like, very m I don't know that
you're walking away with this without the assumption that you

(01:16:45):
don't have to show up the base. You just think, oh,
now we got to get all these people outside to
come in and uh yeah, like I said, we'll see.
I'm not predicting it yet. I just noticed not enough
conversation or times seems to have been spent about the
idea or the possibility that we may see exodus of
people who just go I don't give a fuck anymore.
I'm not and whether they vote or not. I'm not

(01:17:07):
saying they won't vote, but they might be like I'm
like your hearing said, I'll vote. I'm not giving money,
not knocking on doors. I'm not like y'all got it,
y'all go go get your Charlie Kirks, go get your
go get you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Jordan Peterson, you told me you knew how to run
this shit, bitch, run it right. So I worry about that.
The poll do you like sex as your only gift
for your birthday? Yes or no? Seventy eight percent say no,
twenty two percent say yes, So shout out to those

(01:17:40):
twenty twenty two. Let's get to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
The next episode, But first we got to have us
a bit of a commercial break so we can come
back to this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Let's see, let's go with this.

Speaker 8 (01:17:55):
One, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
The next episode is Law and Order Emojis Unit. We
got three comments UPA says AI didn't get me yet.
But my secret is not engaging with two sensational content
because I know when I'm fearful enough, I can't say
any more of the negative outcome is likely. My brain
fires on ten out of ten. I can get gotten

(01:18:52):
by fear. I know I would get gotten if I
engage more. Maybe it helps that my brain is mostly
very full from the fast pacing work it gets.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
It's all the dopamine there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
I don't need much extra excitement, and the upside is
they pay me as an extrovert. I also enjoy home
way more in the last year's love time to disengage
and just be. My brain also needs this time to
get quiet and keep functioning.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
I think one thing about the pandemic.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Is some people, you know, as much.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
As it hurts and affects negative negative ways too, some
people did find like a little bit more like solace
and like oh wait, being alone sometimes were being able
to like not have to interact out of time.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
It can be good. Yes, it's not always a bad
thing because for some people they have particularly pre pandemic.
For some people, they always felt like they had to
be on and so because of this they could pull away,
they could reshift, recenter themselves, reevaluate their lives. The pandemic
caused a lot of people to do that, and so
you know, because of that, it's like, hey, I can

(01:19:56):
actually not spend as much money, not blow as much money,
you know, cut down on things, get toxic people out
of my life, and things like that. So the pandemic
ain't always a bad thing. And some of that is
actually just staying staying at home. Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Justin says, when you talked about your bevil story and
said we back, I knew exactly who he who shall
not be named was because I heard it in his voice.
And it's ironic that your screen name is Justin.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
He says.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
I personally laugh at Farst because I'm immature and it's
a funny sound. Wig Snatcher will never not be funny
in the most circumstances. And as for falling, I only
laugh if the person isn't seriously hurt. I think those
things just happen so unexpectedly that you can't help but
chuckle a little. Yeah, I'm not talking like motherfucker's falling
on and dying from a heart attack, or like a motherfucker's.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Leg crumpling backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
I think white people laugh and shit like that, but
I don't laugh and stuff like that, but like falls
where no one dies or gets hurt too bad, Like
I don't know why, but they got a hundred out
of one hundred percent people laughing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
It's fucked up, but it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I like a good these jokes.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
I've fallen. I've fallen myself. I remember once I was
leaving a party early.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
It's back when I had white friends and I was
ready to go home, and they was fitting to stay
lit for the whole night, and I was like, you know,
it was cool, but let me head to the crib.
And that meant I was walking by myself, and it
was it started it was snowing or something while we
were inside, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's another reason.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Let me just get home.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Yeah, so you be stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
And I get into the parking lot and there apparently
some ice had formed between two cars. I didn't see
it because some snow was over it, and I slipped
fell between the two cars onto my back and I
just laid there for like i'd say a good sixty
seconds to two minutes, and I laughed.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
I was just like, this is some bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Like this is why I'm thinking of my black ass
on right now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Yeah, it was so cold.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
I was like, I'm not even sure if I'm hurt
or not. I don't think, so let me start real
simple like kill bill, wiggle your big toe.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
And then move on.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Get my body up and then and it's like I
was slipping the stand up because I'm between the two cars,
trying to use them for.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Leverage and all that shit. It was fun. I thought
it was funny. My point is, even in that situation
where I was the one feeling the pain, I was like,
this is objectively hilarious. Though if I was outside of
our outbody experience, I'd be like, oh, look at this
guy falled. That was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Hearing about the AI story makes me so glad I
deleted Twitter. Since Musty took over, it's been pure dumpster fire.
A lot of these stories don't make sense anyway. And
or maybe the AI stories haven't gotten to me yet.
It's because I don't know who half these people are. Yeah,
I'm telling y'all. Sometimes our listeners send me AI shit,
and I'll be judging y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
I'm not ain't gonna lie, Like, can you leave? The
coach got in a press conference and said.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
I'll slap my dick on the ground, Like, of course
I can't believe it because of course that didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
That did not happen. That won't be the number one
fucking story everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
So you think only the Shade room on Instagram got
the scoop pray. You think Mike McDaniels went out on
black and black Face and said Tyreek Hill is a
bitch and Sports Center said, let's not cover that right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Sports Center said not today, But.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
You said, let me send it to ride. He'll understand.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
And I don't be believing y'all because I don't play
with that AI shit. So when I reply back and
be like, this is some AI bullshit, they'd be like, Oh,
it didn't get me.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
I just thought it was funny. You didn't say that
in the description. You sent it to me because you
believe that shit did deep down because you wanted to
believe it. And now you're mad because I'm being like,
you got God, I didn't get got. I was trying
to get you. Oh so you don't respect me, No, nigga,
you was gonna send it to me. I'm dumb without
telling me?

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Is ay?

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Come on, y'all be getting got by that shit saying
same vibe is getting.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Your uh all?

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
They get your news from the memes where it's like,
here's a picture with words under it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Did you know Beyonce killed three people? I'm like, I
doubt it. I doubt it. Where'd you find it? A
picture on the neighborhood without.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
A link on Instagram?

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Okay, and you figure they covered the whole Okay, god
all right?

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Last episode.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Comments on YouTube dark Namja just winky emojis.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
Nicole says the cracker barrel switch up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
It's crazy. I remember when Facebook changed your logo the
first time. People didn't like it at first, but they
kept it everyone and justin kept it moving.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Knowing that we didn't have a bunch of bots back
then that could manipulate any touched one in society probably
made that a little more real. It was probably like
seven people upset instead of pretending to be seventeen hundred.
Let's see, Jason says. Man Rod's story about Bevelin the
unimpressed store clerk had me rolling. It reminded me of
the Martin episode when Martin everyone knew him and the

(01:24:59):
angry man said, man, and sit your ass down. That
is funny. I remember one time when I was like
twenty one or so, I got a job, and a
job job like forty hours a week, put on a
suiting tie type job. And I remember I've been you know,
I all my business. I'll be in the cafeteria or whatever.

(01:25:20):
I was going to get some food and this black
woman who was a coworker WHI if'e seen around, walked
up to me and just started talking to me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
We're just fine, you know, people talk. I was like,
oh yeah, blah blah blah whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
And I'm like taking to my head, like why is
she so pressed to talk to me? Like she was
all smiley in my face.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
And shit, yeah, a questions in the back of your head.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
And I was, you know, and I'm and you know,
I'm polite and kind and nice and all that stuff.
But you know, sometimes you can feel like I don't
think I'm having a conversation. I think it's her just
talking at me smiling yep. And then I'm in my
head I'm supposed to process it into oh, this is
a nice, friendly person that likes me and they just
want to have a conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
And I want to say maybe like two three minutes.
And she was like yes, and that's why I have
prepaid legal Have you heard about that? You prepaid the cost?
I got a card for you. I was like, oh,
this is a sales pitch. Like what, No, Now I
feel disrespected cause you think I'm the kind of sucker
that will fall for the fucking pyramid scheme. Yep. This
went from like oh, maybe this lice lady is mistaken

(01:26:24):
and thinks that I'm single, or she's nice and you know,
she just needs to make some friends at work or whatever.
It went from all that, They're like, oh, now you
think I'm a fucking sucker.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Get out of here, Like no, no, thank you, I
don't want dance.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
But that's how I had a bevil situation felt because
I was like, oh, I have something to add to
the com Oh this isn't a conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
This is a sales pitch for Bebel. Okay, got it, Yeah,
that's what it was. I actually didn't know you you
knew the creator, so I really am impressed. Yeah, m h,
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
I don't know if the whipping of the slave touchdown
dance with in celebrations. I think it would, especially depending
on who you have do it. Like if you get
like say the Raiders get an interception and then they
get that white mega dude to whip one of the
black defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Backs, I think everybody lose their mind.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
I think it was celebrations.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
I think they will pass the rule there are no
celebrations allowed period. Because the reason you'd have to pass
the rule is not that for all of us who
would denounce it, it's for the ones who would supported.
They don't like us pointing out the division. They don't
like me, can't ignore the division. They don't mind there
being a divide. They just don't want anything that we
have to talk about it. I think if it wouldn't

(01:27:35):
like I said, it would be the supporters that would
be like, well, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
Is?

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
It was in a movie. I know because I feel
like this, if you don't stop in next thing, you
know they're gonna be picking cottony getting whooped and they're like, ah,
we can't be having this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
And then you're gonna have black people that's gonna retaliate.
You're gonna have all the people imitating on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yes, yes you will, all the memes and tiktoks.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
In this environment that might get you to the Pro Bowl.
I can't our challenge called.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Kenttaan besides Kentin, besides that damn Trump dance ended celebrations
for me. I feel especially bad for the person who
got ambushed at the churches. They did what they were
supposed to do. Staying in your car rather than going
to the walk up window usually lowers the chance of
an incident from fifty percent to ten percent.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Sometimes ten percent is all it takes. Though agreed, Tammy says,
a great episode. This is Timmy b from the chat.
I had to listen back and I can't with y'all
and Aaron took longer than expected.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
Also, I am self employed, so no coworkers.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
However, I do suggest the podcast when asked for my
favorite podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
I appreciate everyone being concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
We was concerned, You're just disappearing.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Everybody was like wait a minute, you've been going for
too long, she said, she would be right back right.
I'm like, what happened to ten?

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
What happened Timmy? Are you okay? Are you okay?

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Search party?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Let's we were looking for you and on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Spotify we got two comments. Deflay says, tell me why
when I read this episode description about falling, farting, and
wig coming off, I thought you meant all those things
happening at one time, and our vision Eddie Murphy's aren't
falling down the steps, And.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
I just couldn't stop laughing at myself once again that joke.
That joke will forever be classic because it had all
of them happened at the same time, and they're all
so funny, like that might be the silliest joke in
the set, and yet it was one hundred percent laugh rate.

(01:29:27):
Patty says, your observations about social media algorithms, bubbles and
comment sections are one hundred percent correct. Me and my
fiance share tiktoks and often watch them together. Our comment
sections are always different and tailored to us. Crazy. That's
so crazy that, I mean, I get it, but damn
we really living in separate reality sometimes. Yeah, it's amazing.

(01:29:47):
We don't have and nothing is standardized, and even your
Google searches and shit like that is not even standardized
because depends on what part of the country and where
you're from. Sometimes we will determine what your algorithm tells you.
It's just scary because like you wouldn't know, right, Like
none of us like you should know. I'm not saying
you're incapable of knowing, but it's we're our singular experience

(01:30:12):
is unified by the fact that we're all having it, right,
So it wouldn't It doesn't register to me right away
to be like, oh, I should verify that what I'm
seeing on my social media is what Karen seeing or hers. Instead,
I'm like, did you see what happened on TikTok? Like
I'm talking about on NBC or on ESPN, where ESPN

(01:30:33):
is the same for every single person watching it, so
we all know if the WNBA game is on, we
saw the score, we saw the highlights if we watched it,
Whereas what in reality what's happening is I ain't watching
the game, and my camera angles are different, my broadcasters different,
my announcers are different, And then I'm talking to Karen like,
did you see the game? And she's like the game

(01:30:55):
you mean the one where they started fighting each other
And I'm like, right, it was browling. It wasn't a
fight at my game, Like that's what social media has
done to us. Yes, and even I think one time
you had exd me recently like what do you have
on your Twitter? And yeah, me and you have two
different experiences, like you said, I feel my shit. I

(01:31:15):
mean I do get some political stuff, but most time
I don't mostly not time. Funny how most of my
shit is look at these dog is, look at these
puppies and a bunch of Beyonce shit, and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
They got us because our brains and unwillingness to accept.
It's such confirmation bias that we have an unwillingness to
accept when it's going against something that we believe or
think would work. Like I saw a listener who listened
to our podcasts and so they were adding or using
the hashtag or whatever, and they were saying, I don't

(01:31:46):
think the Kawhi Leonard thing is about the algorithm, like
they were saying, I don't think it's the timeline of
the algorithm. I just think it's like a much bigger
it's a big story, and it's bigger on social media
because nons fans are like fascinated by this billionaire scammer thing.
And I was like, I hear what you're saying, but

(01:32:08):
I can't speak for you. I know it's my algorithm
because when I stopped clicking on it, I get something
totally different. And I'm not saying it's even better, it's
just something different. Like, for example, it was like politics yesterday,

(01:32:30):
what was the other thing? If there was another one
of these fucking things. Oh, a whole lot of hornet
shit now a whole lot because honest, preseason startup right
and it's not boll counts. I follow I'm on the
four you tab not following because I do want to.
I'm like, what is it going to show me? And
uh so, like when I it's not like Kawhi Leonard

(01:32:51):
news or tweets stop happening. Pablo's continually putting it out.
If I were to click on it, I guarantee you
when I go back in, I'll see the first three
or four things. Is like this cup was story. It's
not going away, but it also isn't I think it's
not the hugest story because I have to compare it

(01:33:12):
to everything else on my timeline. Uh, A lot of times,
here's the newest anime. That's because that's what I kept watching.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
I get a lot of anime stuff, yeah, and stuff
like that. And on top of that, which algorithm, A
lot of these apps they listen to you talk and
all that stuff, so they might pick up on words
that you're saying, because like for us, I know it
was wild, but I know last season, periodically we would
go by the one this game and it would be
just this one particular sign. I don't know if it
was GPS oriented or what, but whenever we passed it,

(01:33:38):
a lot of times it would change to something cornets oriented.
And it's kind of like that because that just might
be our experience whenever we passed that sign.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Yeah, it's just it's just interesting because I won't I think,
and maybe it's because I'm reading Digital Madness or whatever,
but I will not discount the algorithms. And I know
that this is not what it used to be. There
used to be a time when you go to UH,
you could go to Twitter and you could click on
trending and it would straight up give you like what

(01:34:10):
are the top ten things that are trending right now?
And now they have a thing where it's like trending
for you, kind of like it's like, no, this is
what we think you care about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
This trending, right not what's actually trending.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Yeah, and it varies depending on the platform. My mom.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
On my phone, it's almost completely tailored to me. But
if I do it right now on my desktop, it
looks like it's these are the top things that are
just happening possibly today, but I don't really know, Like
right now, if I go to trending, it's hashtag double
up college.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
Game day, the lot lemons something about sports. All my
top ones are sports.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
How do you go to trending on the on the app?

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Yeah, you go, there's like a to me, there's like
a search bar and explore and then when you go
to search the underneath that is trending for me.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
But I mean, you don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
To die, but okay, go ahead, So you doing it now?

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm just okay. It was it safe
for you? It says lightning fast a I'm on the
deck stop and it says double up college game day. Okay,
so this must be the old school, this is what's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Trending, right, I'm saying there used to be a time
where if this is what's trending and I went to
my first like tab for like my feed, it would
reflect that. It won't now, So I actually don't know
what is the number one thing that they're talking about
on Twitter. I don't see the number one thing. Double

(01:35:36):
up isn't on any of my things. College Game Day
is not on any of my things. Oh I know
what it was that took over my feed, WNBA Wnba,
Cathy dub that took over my feed for a couple
of days.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
Could it be the number one story? Possibly?

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
But it could also just be today. No, I'm interested
in WNBA. So there's feeding whatever it takes to keep
me on. There is our refusal to accept that that
is the manipulation is real and it is happening constantly
all the time, because everybody's a hindrance to the bigger point,
which is that we are being manipulated.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people don't want
to accept that they are being manipulated.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Day.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
You know, the truth be told, if you own it,
that's what happens. Y'all know, they've been two steadies. It
came out like they've told y'all we are doing shit
on purpose.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
I want they know my brain goes I would like
the things I care about to be the most interesting
topics in the world to everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
So that's my default, so I should be on there
like No, you understand everyone cares about the pheesia talking
about Kathy, and it's like, I'm sure they care. I'm
sure a lot of people care.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
I don't know that they care about it more than
the government shut down. I don't know that they care
about it more than college game day. My feed says
they do, but I can't trust my feed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
All right, let's get to some voicemails. I'll play another beat.

(01:37:30):
I already got more voicemails than usual today, which means
I should also open up my other browser. Let's not
go through the mute.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
I thought you'd like to do that as part as
a comedy routine.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
Yeah, life for you guys to hear it the first.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
The first time versus that's replaying it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Uh So let me make sure that I have it right. Okay,
I think this is right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Okay. The first one from dre.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
What's up y'all get drag. So usually I call in
I have something to say about the world or my
life or what the fuck ever I don't. This is
actually literally just for the other listings. If you are
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a week after the feedback show, so if the seven

(01:38:17):
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(01:38:38):
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If you need more rioting Karen, if you miss Justin.

Speaker 9 (01:38:49):
If you like movies, if you a nerd, if you
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Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
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Speaker 9 (01:39:09):
The water is fine.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Do you hear what I'm saying? The pregame is a
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is a two and a half hour podcast. It's more
than worth your money. The Patreon is smooth with it too.
You play good on your phone. You know what I'm saying,
Android or Apple real compatible and shit, y'all don't get

(01:39:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
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Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Be a great ad for premium, but it's one. Yeah.
Roger found out that if you're on't Patreon, you can
do a seven day trial for both levels, the five
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Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
You don't have to sign up if you want to see, like,
is this worth it? What do I get there?

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
You go? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
We got this one from a Legra, but it doesn't
have a transcript and it's the full three minutes, so.

Speaker 6 (01:40:11):
Hie you to Telegra. Warning this might be two messages,
but I'll try to be brief.

Speaker 9 (01:40:18):
Famous last words.

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
I know. I just got through listening to Chris and Karen. Yay,
what great conversation. It was so lovely and it's gonna
mirror some of the stuff that I am about to say,
I've just got I watched the Klein and Coats YouTube

(01:40:41):
video three times now, wanting to really see the body
language and hear and understand all the bits and pieces.
And what I took away was the phrase whiteness TM.
It's a phrase that I've been sort of bantering about,
and I'm pretty sure I got it from you guys,
is probably you rad I believe that it really sums

(01:41:06):
things up perfectly. Uh. These folks are allowed to believe
that they can intellectualize history of America and racism and
bigotry without feeling the effects. But now that the scorpion
has stepped stabbed them in the back, they are left
hurt and having a crisis of identity. Whiteness TM created

(01:41:31):
a delusion, and being black in America and other is
the reality. It's a hard to to swallow. It's a
hard to to swallow for whites who are now walk
waking up to this and feeling the stain directly. People
like Ezra want to find a thing or a person

(01:41:53):
to blame because it's easier, it's the American way to
do that, right, But they're realizing that, like truly realizing
it's the machine, the system, the institution. It's harder to
wrap your brain around that when you are a part
of it, when you're part of whiteness TM. And this
allows you to have privilege, to be able to have

(01:42:16):
deep disagreements with people that and then still try to
work with them. But what happens with Coats and black
folks is we never had that privilege, right. We were
never able to like, uh, put our humanity to the
side because it was us, We were the ones who

(01:42:39):
were having to deal with whiteness TM, the effects of it, right,
the negative effects of it. We've also known that the
site was bigger than individuals. And that is why when
Coats is doing his activism, When Coats is doing his writing,

(01:43:00):
he's going in front of Congress, or he's writing about
policy and law, he's trying to address the larger problem.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Not Now she got cut off and she did call back.
But the thing I was gonna say is you ever
noticed a question you've never seen asked from white people
to black people is how do y'all know not to
vote for this shit?

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Never because they don't care and they don't want to
hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
They just they assume a certain level of like, y'all
just got to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
You don't need to be convinced.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
You don't have a choice, And like either in that conversation, right,
they don't respect us as equals, and that conversation even
in that coalition, black people have never not been working
with racists to try to get advancements. Right, Like to
hear Ezra Klein say, you know, this is weird, almost

(01:44:00):
like an unspoken assumption of like, well, we have to
go work with these people to win. It's like, I am,
what do you think? What do you think Coach is
doing here? I'm not saying you're as bad as these
other folks, but.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
This is outreach. We're saying, if you reach out over there,
you're gonna lose everybody. We're just letting you know. You
don't got to agree, but you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Obviously and you obviously don't agree, and you obviously don't
really care, and you don't think there's a possibility that
Coach is right and you're wrong. But we're already doing this.
Black people are compromising every day when you're the new
deal that is, that is black.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
People working with a racist society and framework knowing that
we're gonna probably get stabbed in the back and get
cut out of the deal, you know the GI bill,
Like that's we we do do that. So you're telling
us to do something we're already doing as if that's
the solution, and we're telling you yeah, and you still
lose when you do that. So we've done that in law.

(01:45:00):
Now what that's fatalistic? You know she did right back?

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
Yep, it's the like again, I knew it. So I
just want to finally say, you can see the stark
difference right, you can see whiteness TM versus being black
in America. And Coats even said it within the interview.
He was like, I'm not looking at the individual. I'm
not even trying to throw individuals away. I'm focusing on policy.

(01:45:26):
And I think this gets lost with people like crying
because he thinks he can go one person at a time.
You know, I don't hate Ezra. I was even following
and listening to Ezra up until recently. That last interview
he had with Ben Shapiro kind of said it made
it very clear where he was headed in what he

(01:45:49):
was doing. And yeah, I just feel very frustrated when
people are not realizing what's right in front of them anyway.
That's all I have to say. I look forward to
hearing from what you guys have to say further on it.
And yeah, thanks for always tapping into my brain. And

(01:46:15):
again thanks for you know, speaking up and being honest
and you know, vulnerable in these times.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
Thank you, thank you, thank you for calling in again.
Let's see we got another but yeah, I agree with
pretty much everything you said. I think we reiterated on
this episode. All right, here's another.

Speaker 9 (01:46:35):
One, hey, ro.

Speaker 10 (01:46:39):
First of all, Ron, thank you for bring that your
new dial in number is because I had the old
number and I'm trying to figure out why it wasn't
so anyway happening into it. When I watched the video
of Y and E, I was waiting to see if
you guys are want to talk about it, because I
really wonder what you know was I totally spout your hearing.

(01:47:00):
I don't want to listen to it, but just to
like reiterate what Rod say and what kind of havotes
said is like the whole emphasis behind Ezra flying article
that he wrote, and everything he said was like, you know,
that's moral said He's taking against political violence, and I'm
like dealing with political violence is just a part of

(01:47:23):
being black, Like it's a party of everyday life, like
men harassed by the cops. That's political violence. Having your
vote the press, that's political violence. Your school's then undefined it.
That's political violence. Dying at a higher rate than white women,
that's like all of it is political violence. And so
I just what he for seeds to be political violence
is the most like on the edge end of the

(01:47:47):
session of political violence and everything that he's saying, he's
basically saying like, oh, and also you should deal with
more political violence because I want to invite these people
into the party for what You're not going to have
any long same thing political women these people because they're
not going to give up anything that they feel entitled to. Right,
there's no point of having the Party of the big

(01:48:07):
pants if to invite people in you want to require
that their needs be met first. Actually you don't get
their needs that Like, nothing that he.

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
Said we need to give up is anything he needs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
To give up.

Speaker 10 (01:48:21):
He's not having his birth control restricted, he's not his
access to nothing restricted. He's not having his vote surprises
like in a word where he could be anything else.
Why could you believe just be fucking career anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Hey, you know what, that's such a great point about
how every right he's negotiating and someone else's rights. And
in addition to that, the thing he would have to
give up is his ego because many of us would
no longer see him as the white hat that he

(01:49:00):
wants to be seen as. And he's not even.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Capable of giving that up because that interview, that article,
and the sit down with Coach, it was greed.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
It was greed. He was greedy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
He was like, I want you to still think of
me as a good guy. Your article about me made
me feel like, maybe you don't think what I did
was good, or maybe you don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
That's why he invited him on the show, because they
felt a certain way about how he had wrote about him.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
Yes, if we can sit here for the hour and
say we're having the conversation, that will be proof in
itself of something and.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
Nothing a certain type of.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
White liberal values, actually white people in general, but nothing
they value more than the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Right, And And the thing is maybe for me, that's
just one of those bust words. As soon as you
say that, I tap out, because I'm like the fuck,
we're talking about conversations about what what is it gonna change?

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Is?

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
What are the end results? Like, like, like what are
your battle plans?

Speaker 6 (01:50:06):
Are?

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
We just fucking putting words out in the universe just
for content, you know, you know, because if you're a
person has been oppressed or your people have been impressed,
after a while, you know what, you'd be like, fuck
a conversation, It's time to fight, bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
You know. After while, you go.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
Like, there's nothing you can say to make me change
my mind. Now we gotta go fisticuffs, you know. Now
I gotta go out here march and protests and shit
like this. There's no words you can say. No more
conversations they can be had unless we're passing motherfucking loss
and Bill's bitch, that's a conversation. Just randomly talking about
it ain't gonna change a motherfucking thing in my life.

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
I think conversation is important, but if it doesn't lead
to conversion, then it's really then it's then it doesn't
really lead anywhere. Just to say you had it is
not the end goal. And I think for people, like
a certain type of person in America, the end goal
is that the conversation was had not you know, like

(01:51:10):
he kept alluding to these conversations. We need to be
having these conversations. And it's like, okay, but what will
be changed? Because the conversation, as you alluded to, cannot
be the end game. It can't be what we We
can't go home celebrating that we had a conversation. We
need to be celebrating the impact. And if the impact

(01:51:31):
isn't suing up our rights freedoms that I don't really
have time or care or have any value for just
the idea that we sat down, that means nothing to me.

Speaker 5 (01:51:43):
Right And on top of that, guess a lot of
a lot of people woul probably like to have conversation
because they don't have to invest anything in the conversation.
The conversation does not require and not tell me funny
anything on their part other than their hypothesis. There their
their scientific words and big words. That's all it's doing. Yes, Yes,
because you're not directly impacted by these things. Because because

(01:52:05):
when you have somebody that's being directly impacted by these things,
they're quote unquote conversation that you have.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
When they bring the shit up, you fucking dismiss it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:12):
So what is the purpose of this conversation When people
have valid anger, their their anger is valid. They're smart,
they're intelligent, they're breaking the things down, they're telling you
these things on on on an intellectual level, and they're
still being dismissed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Bitch, I don't want to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
Yeah, I just think at the end of the day,
a person like client feels validated in that he had
Jordan Peterson on his show, and he also had Coats
on this show, and in that way he is a
neutral good and and that and those two things show
his virtue, and that is a value system issue that

(01:52:53):
I would he would not understand how many of us
look at that and go, we don't value that, and
if anything, that's kind of a mark against you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
And he don't like that. He's like, you're drawing the line.
You're kicking me out. I didn't call your nase. I'm
not kicking you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
I'm not kicking out.

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
I do not have to put you on a pedestal.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
And I don't have to accept like your content is
the bridge that you think it is. I can think
it's just wrong and bad and the same way that
I'm sure you do it people.

Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
And also the biggest part you why do I have
to respect your opinion when you don't have to sprink
mine like like like you can come in with all
these opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
I gotta respect that though, because it's you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
Why do you think he doesn't respect the opinion because like,
like doing the conversation, the part I heard when Coats
was coming out with things, it was like, yeah, he
was talking about it, and end of the day, you
don't respect it. You don't respect it because you just
want to have a conversation. So in my mind, when
you just want to have these conversations, you're not trying
to get You're not giving anything that will actually fix it.

(01:53:51):
You're not giving anything that will actually really add to
what I'm saying. All you're doing is you're consisistently rebutting
what I'm saying and coming up with excuse. So my
thing is you want me. You want to put out
this long guess article and you want me to pat
you on the ass and say it's all good and
love your words and to not be offended by anything
that you say.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Okay, you don't want me to be offended by That's
why he want to talk to if coach came out
and said.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
I don't like what you said, so because he didn't
respect your opinion, all of a sudden, your ego pops
up and we have to sit and respect your opinion.
But you don't have respect my No, I have the
right to reflect what you say.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
The only thing I would push back on is I
don't think he was trying to express a lack of
respect for coach's opinion. I don't think that's what's happening.
I think his measure of respect is the idea of
sitting across from somebody, them saying something, and then you
saying something back. I think that's how he measures respect.

(01:54:49):
I think I'm with you in that. I felt he
was basically a brick wall who was there to say,
look at me standing in the same room as this
that we don't agree with. But I will not budge
or come off of anything. I will not learn from this.

Speaker 5 (01:55:06):
I will not come out of this and say, damn,
you know what. Coach pulled my card. But he was right.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
I went too far. I shouldn't have said it that way.
It's like, no, I'm going to smile, I'm going to nod.
I'm not gonna yell, I'm gonna wait my turn to speak,
but when it is my turn, I will continually to
steadfastly say, regardless of what your opinion is right, my
opinion is just as valid. And so that's why I

(01:55:34):
would say. In his mind, he wasn't I don't respect
your opinion. In his mind, respect is the same way
he respects Jordan Peterson. Like we both sat in this room,
we both exchanged ideas. We didn't raise our voices, we
didn't cut.

Speaker 5 (01:55:46):
Each other off.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
I have as much respect for your opinion as I
have for ton of hose Coach's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Opinion, right, and I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
So yeah, So I'm just I just wanted to point
that out because I know there's gonna people like, well,
you mean they're friends that he does respect his opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
He hasn't want to show more than anybody else. I
hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
I I just think his measure of respect is different
than mine. Mine is one of taking things in considering,
but it doesn't mean you have to agree.

Speaker 5 (01:56:12):
Doesn't but mine, I don't know that. I think there
are sometimes where only one of you gets to be right.
And this felt like a conversation where uh, true person
who was taking in what Coach was said had said
would have had to have been changed fundamentally, and I

(01:56:33):
think Coach went into that conversa, Klein went into that
conversation with the goal of not being changed fundamentally agreed,
and maybe that's how he went into the Jordan Peterson
conversation as well. But that's there's a there's a I
don't know what the right word is, but there's a
commodification of respect. I don't know what the right word.

(01:56:53):
That's not one hundred percent the right word, but like
there's a certain sort of like commerce that's a t transaction.
There's a transactional respect that is happening, and that they
would call it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
It's like I respect Coats because I let him exchange
ideas and I didn't shut him down, so I respect him.
And to me, I'm with you caring and that it
doesn't feel like respect. To me, it feels like you're
just you know self. You know, you're just jacking off
on the fact that you both that you're both in
the room together. But I don't know that I would

(01:57:26):
call it respecting his opinion, because if you really have
respect for it, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
It's almost impossible not to have some level of like, shit,
I was wrong, right, And also I think for me
you're right because about you know him, resent version respect.
But for me, Coats was to stand in for me.
So you don't respect him, you don't respect me. And
so as far as I'm concerned, you don't respect his opinion,

(01:57:52):
you don't respect my opinions.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Respect for you would have been you would have measured
it as him taken in this opinion, entering it, and
it haven't been changed by it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:03):
Or at least willing to have some form of listening
like like like it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
It's almost like.

Speaker 5 (01:58:08):
You came in with your points and regardless of what
was said, it was nope, check, nope, check, nope, check,
no check, no check, no check, no check.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
So I listened to the whole thing. There were times
where he I don't think it was just no. It
wasn't like maybe that's what the clips that Chris played
for you. But I don't think the whole thing was
just nope, nope, nope. It wasn't like that to me.
But the general tenor of the of the thing was
I will not be changed by this, right, So I mean,
there's enough to pick up off the vibe like it

(01:58:36):
wasn't adversarial. And I think the way they measure disrespect
in that type of lane is one of average, like, oh,
you're cutting him off now. All that to say, though,
another huge point against crime.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
If you had so.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Much respect for the work that Charlie Kirk was doing,
if he was doing it the right way, you probably
should have been cutting off tannehis coats, right. You probably
should have had, you know, a subtitle to your YouTube
video climb slams coats destroys DEI liberal.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
It ain't doing no people you claim you want to
go for if.

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
You you know, if the set up shop outside of
you know, some racist area or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:59:25):
I don't believe he has respect for Charlie Kirk's work
just because he says it. You, oh, y'all was envious
of what he built. Thedn't go build it, right, You're
not doing that work. This is very You're just sympathizing
with people that sympathize with a racist because of the
way he was taken out. Yeah, and and and and

(01:59:46):
you don't and you don't have to yell for it
to be I don't want to say ever, cereal. But
you don't have to yell in order for somebody to
be like, hey, dog, I don't like the way this feels.
And I feel like I'm not being respected. No, we're
not yelling, we're not screaming. But like I said, I'm
very because I'm personally very sensitive to those types of things.

(02:00:07):
Me personally, I'm kind of picked up on from what
I've heard, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Like and like I said, for a lot of times,
for me, I heard, well, why wan want want and
it's a smack turn off, like what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
And while we wasting our time?

Speaker 5 (02:00:20):
Okay, yep, all right, next words, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
Oh yeah, right, whatever you see, Karen, I heard what
you said about probably not listening to Kamala's books or
reading Kammala's books, or maybe only kind of diving in
a little bit. I felt the same way. After the election,
I did the same I deleted all my social media apps.

(02:00:46):
I couldn't even stand to see people talk about that
shit anymore. Agreed, So I really felt like it might
be a little triggering to get into this book.

Speaker 8 (02:00:55):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
How much I needed this book.

Speaker 9 (02:00:58):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
I don't know. It's a really good fucking reading and
that's it. I started the audio book yesterday. I'm sixty
three person done with the book already. It's really fucking good.
And I don't know, you know yourself better than anybody,
so you don't think you're ready, then you're not ready.
But I felt the same way, and I'm like literally

(02:01:25):
in love with this book. But anyways, that's it. Love
you guys, peace.

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
Thanks, yeah, and I understand that I'm glad you said that.
Like I said, is one of the things where you know,
a lot of times you have to be truthful with
yourself and kind of kind of where you are.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
I know I.

Speaker 5 (02:01:44):
Probably will eventually do it. I don't know when, like,
like not just funny. Maybe it's just I feel like
I have to be in the right frame of mind
because I think, like I said, right now, I'm just
very angry. I'm super super super angry and super but
super hurt. And I do not know when I'm gonna
get over it, y'all. I'm not even gonna lie, and

(02:02:06):
and every and and everything that's happening right now just
reiterates and and rekindles that flame of why I'm mad
and justify my.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
Reasonings for being mad.

Speaker 5 (02:02:20):
And I know it's probably a great read, a great book,
like everybody has raved about it. Everybody says it's good
and things like that. Like I said, I know I
will eventually when. I don't know, but but I will
eventually do it. I don't know when, but like I said, when,
my mind will be at the right place or spot
to be able to receive that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:37):
All right, Next, Uh, let's go to the next segment,
read all's emails, and then we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 5 (02:02:42):
These extremists want to take us back, but we are
not going back back.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
We are not sewing bas.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
Then we went back, all right, Uh, emails the blackout
tips at gmail dot com. Stephanie says, not me getting
laughed at on this pod. When I said y'all were
gonna take off, I didn't mean to say it was
for Charlie Kirk. Sometimes when a lot of stuff happens
in a week, some pods take off to catch up
with the news.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Now, girl, Stephanie, that's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (02:03:38):
When have we done it? We got thousands of episodes.
When have we been like guys, the news was too much?
We need a break. If anything, we probably didn't need
to take the time off, but we mean, like, you
know what bench is the holiday, we will.

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
Can't do a show.

Speaker 5 (02:03:52):
Yeah, when I take time offics because I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Tired, right right, one of us is tired.

Speaker 4 (02:03:57):
Yes, it's not because uh whatever the fuck like it's happened,
like the news is crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
It's because I'm tired. I'm going crazy. Laugh, minds off.

Speaker 4 (02:04:05):
I didn't mean y'all were sad for him crazy a
few weeks. Stephanie, It's all good, you know. We make
fun out of the stuff that comes in.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
Yeah, that's our love language.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
I can't just take every email one hundred percent face
value serious, because if not, then this will be a
boring show that you wouldn't want to listen.

Speaker 5 (02:04:21):
It would be so some dings. We gotta we gotta
joke with y'all.

Speaker 4 (02:04:25):
Charlene says, how your right As a belated birthday anniversary gift,
I took the liberty and running your show art through
Google's AI tools. I've been a little busy these days
teaching AI for Google and them. But just know that
while I'm up late playing with the latest AI tools,
you and car are my coworkers talking about the news
and keep me company. Enjoyed this little vid, and if
you want to send me some clip art, I can

(02:04:45):
make it do whatever you wanted to do. I've got
lots of credits to burn through, so I'm up for
just about anything.

Speaker 5 (02:04:50):
Enjoy and keep up the fantastic podcasting. Y'all know.

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
I don't mess with the AIS, Okay, I don't, especially
with how it steals people's work and take credit for
it and all this stuff. But I'll make an exception
in this case, not because it's us, but because I
saw the what she did with it and the thing
that she did with it.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
It's not taking anybody's work.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
It's from I'll show you guys, it's not taking anybody's work.
It's actually from a bit moji.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
So it's just it's just animating this bit.

Speaker 4 (02:05:25):
Moji, as opposed to like taking somebody, some human beings
work and being like, right, uh, let me let me
steal it.

Speaker 5 (02:05:33):
So this is the bit moji and she animated it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
Oh that's adorable.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
Karen hasn't done anything yet.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
This is just bit moji. This is just the show
art that I used. You haven't even seen anything yet.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
I just like it's adorable.

Speaker 5 (02:05:49):
It's the hard all right. Well that's not her work.
It's my point.

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
I'm about to hit play and show you what she did,
what got to deal with. So I guess the heart
starts moving and jumping up and down. Then it disappeared
and wrapped us up in the heart and said happy anniversary.

Speaker 5 (02:06:08):
So that was cute.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Yes, that was like thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:12):
Like I said, I normally gonna fuck with the AI,
but since this is no human beings were harmed by
this ad human beings.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Integration of this AI.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Uh, let's see Sid said in Homegirls defense at Ota,
you told her you are a podcast host, black man
podcaster has come to mean.

Speaker 5 (02:06:30):
A lot of things. Also, I'm locked.

Speaker 4 (02:06:33):
Oh and then I help her because I did some
on the website and she wasn't able to get in
and I fixed it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
But it's hilarious. I ain't thinking about that, but it
can mean a lot of different things.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
That was literally the first thing I thought about, and
was like fair, But also I realized she was just
pitching their thing.

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
She didn't care about what, She didn't care about me
at all.

Speaker 4 (02:06:49):
It's fine, say, oh, she know I'm not gonna be
back in there for it to need some more shaving crank.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Right, they gonna like he ain't gonna king coming back.

Speaker 5 (02:06:56):
Conspiracy theory on cracker barrel says Crystal Hell and Karen.
I'm listening to your conspiracy theory regarding the cracker barrel
and it being bots. I'm so glad that you're covering
the story, and your conspiracy theory is what I have
observed as well. I will have plastered on my timeline
about woman goes viral or my man goes viral for
blah blah blah, and my first question is always gone

(02:07:17):
viral where I've never heard anybody speaking about the story
or who are these people? Or that sounds like an
issue between the two of them and in their families.
These are not celebrities. Why would I care?

Speaker 4 (02:07:27):
But what I can tell you is always there's fighting
but underneath these types of stories. So then it's almost
like you're creating it to go viral by simply putting
that is the first few sentences of the story. And
there's always some random picture of somebody, whether it's AI
generated or these butt stole somebody's picture. I do feel
like it is insidious. I'm not sure if it's some

(02:07:49):
type of psychological experiment that is being done with social media.
But I scroll and keep going, and I'm always shocked
that the people in the comments don't realize that a
this is either a fake story or something that's just clickbait.

Speaker 5 (02:08:01):
Yeah, man, and it gets all of us. It's very hard.

Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
There's been times where something's made it through all the
way to the our podcast where I'm like reading something
and realizing them like, wait a minute, no, this can't
be true.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
It don't sound right.

Speaker 5 (02:08:12):
But it's because it's cleverly designed to stick our biases,
so they know that I feel a certain way about
shit from everything I've clicked on and read and wrote,
and they're like, he'll believe it's bullshit. Let's show it
to him, and it works.

Speaker 4 (02:08:27):
I've also had an inclination about this new Mandela effect
and wondering if this is a way to.

Speaker 5 (02:08:31):
Get people to question their own memories.

Speaker 4 (02:08:33):
If you tell somebody something never happened and it was
a figment of their imagination, and people will start to
believe that, especially when it comes to other things that
did happen but they pretend did not. There are several
things that supposedly were the Mandela effect where people were
able to debump because they had photos of the actual
product or whatever it was, to prove that this is
not a figment of their imagination. But it did get

(02:08:53):
me thinking that this is some type of social experiment
to erase certain things in history by pretending you just
misremember it, misremembered it, especially now that everything is digital
we don't have hard copy encyclopedia or state. I don't
know if I go so far as the man they're
gonna Mandela affect us, but who knows. What I will

(02:09:13):
say is you're one hundred percent right, and that these
tools can be utilized that way, and the people in
charge of them clearly do not seem to give a
fuck about us as people, so I wouldn't put it
past them to try. I don't know if they specifically
Mandela effects something like let's make everybody forget the submarine imploded.

(02:09:34):
I don't know if they could do that, but I
think the idea of something like that we see already
where people create fake pictures and shit and be like, oh,
DoD you know Ted Cruz was at the march for
Selma and it's like it's a black and white AI
photo that's him. It might not get me, but it's
gonna get somebody. You know, there's people out walking around

(02:09:56):
thinking Trump wrote them a check during the pandemic, right,
so yeah, they do know. You put the lie out
there enough, it can it can happen.

Speaker 5 (02:10:06):
At least.

Speaker 4 (02:10:08):
Write saying an email that's really a voicemail. It says, hey,
Rod and Karen, it's under three minutes. I can try
to leave this message on your phone line if it
works better, Leelee from BK All right, oh wait, they're
not gonna be able to hear it. Hold on, yeah,
call the voicemail if you can.

Speaker 5 (02:10:27):
I prefer the voicemail. It's it's just easier for us
to deal with that, And we have a voicemail segment
for that reason, you know, so please do that. But
here it's in the show notes. Here's the voicemail.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
I guess hi, Rod and Karen, this is Lee from Brooklyn.
I want to thank you all for the nice things
that you said about my did we forget segment idea.

Speaker 1 (02:10:55):
Maybe podcast so amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
First off, I have to tell you I did not
even listen to the episode where my voicemail was featured.
I actually read a transcript of the show because I
don't like to hear my voice, and also keeping in
a buck. I was a little nervous that you guys

(02:11:19):
would give me some not nice feedbacks. So not because
of it's just the first time I reached out to
you all.

Speaker 5 (02:11:28):
It was about Joe Biden and that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
I thought he shouldn't have run for a second term.
And you know, Rod kind of got at me. It's cool,
you know, difference of opinion, no big deal. But I
was really nervous to listen. And it actually wasn't until
the next week when I was listening to the feedback
show and someone said, Wow, she sounded great and it

(02:11:53):
was a good idea and she has a good memory,
to which I say, I literally walked in a room
and can't remember what I'm there for, but I can
tell you some shit that happened like in the nineties
so and actually before. So that was like just really

(02:12:14):
nice to hear. And also that that caller called me
a girl. She was like, oh, that girl with.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
The voicemail blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
I was like, girl, Wow, I haven't been called that
in a really long time. So shout out to her
and to the listener who said I was cheating with
six minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
My bad.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
I did not realize that I had recorded for six minutes.
I just was trying to get out to think about
Karen at the funeral, the thing about not forgetting the
three people I wanted to and I was not paying
attention to the time.

Speaker 1 (02:12:50):
I'm looking at the time now.

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
I'm a little over two minutes, so I don't want
to cheat anymore. I just wanted to say thanks, and
I probably will be responding to some of the show segments.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
But I will do it in an email.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
So thanks you guys. Love you guys, love the show.
And yeah, I gotta work on that. Did we forget
the girl or.

Speaker 1 (02:13:15):
The woman from Jane the Virgin?

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
Okay, keeps out y'all, Love you guys, Bye.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
Bye, And yeah, you should do that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:24):
I'm not joking. I think it'd be a great podcast too.
And maybe that could be the solution for the email
before you who was talking about the Mandela effect. Maybe
you can anti Mandela effect and be like, no, that
did happen.

Speaker 5 (02:13:39):
Yeah, And the thing is, at least you know you're
very understandable, because the thing is, when you guys right in,
we have opinions and things that. No, we're always not
going to agree on everything that y'all you know right
in about So I appreciate you, you know, not because
sometimes when when ne Or Rogers says something that somebody
doesn't agree with, some times people take it as a

(02:14:00):
personal attack. It's not a personal attack. It's just we
just don't agree on this particular topic. And I'm just
I'm glad that you listened, and I'm to the people
come in about you and I do.

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
I think it's a great idea if that's something that
you choose to do.

Speaker 4 (02:14:15):
Yeah, and yeah, you know, uh, we put out opinions
that I'm sure y'all disagree with. The feedback show is
for that, you know, And I try not to take
anything into a personal realm that's not personal already, but
I'm human. We get passionate. I'm sure you are very
passionate about uh, you know, whatever you wrote in about

(02:14:38):
and so you know it's but it's not like some
default like Ley wrote.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
In oh hell or not, you know, it's not baby.

Speaker 4 (02:14:44):
Yeah, I hope people don't feel that way, but yeah,
I do want people to know that we will one
hundred percent keep it real. Like I don't want people
writing up thinking that like we don't give a fuck
and anything goes.

Speaker 5 (02:14:55):
But yeah, like that, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:14:59):
Glad you understood or gate gate took a chance and
submitted something else, because I don't want this to be
the place of well we.

Speaker 5 (02:15:07):
Disagreed, that's it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
Yeah, it's not dictatorship, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:10):
I'm not spending every like the one woman I can't
remember what was that was like, you know, I don't
mess with trans people and she just kept writing in
every week.

Speaker 5 (02:15:17):
I'm not doing that shit. I'm not Ezra Klein will not.
You know. Most I got for you is a good
like well you just got to work on.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
That good loss, a personal thing.

Speaker 5 (02:15:27):
But I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
Yeah, I'm not finn to be debating somebody's writes with
you every week.

Speaker 5 (02:15:30):
But I don't think.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
I don't remember that being what you said, So I'm good,
all right? Last one she wrote in again this time
and write for him, hey riding?

Speaker 5 (02:15:40):
Can't writing written for him? Right?

Speaker 8 (02:15:42):
For him?

Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
What? And written for him? Hey riding?

Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
Karen, I really appreciate when you gave an in depth
analysis ride like you did on Ezra Klin Town Coacht Conversation.
I'm always interested in what coach has to say. But
Klin is so himself that I thought I was skipping
and just read transcripts for the outtakes. However, I may
give it a go after hearing your critique, which was
pretty spot on both of them, and your takeaways from
the conversation like you and Karen. I used to listen

(02:16:07):
to klin show mostly when Kamlo was running, But when
that mofolk started Monday Morning Quarterback and the Reason she
lost while also blaming Democrats as a whole, I started
checking out. Then I noticed that all of his guests
were white people, mostly men after the election as well.
In fact, the only two people of color he had
on when I was listening with some guy color who
worked for Bernie, who was basically co signed all of
Bernie's gripes and coats, who was talking about his latest book,

(02:16:29):
the one where he talks about his books being banned
here in South Carolina, his time in Senegal, and his
time in Palestine and Israel. I guess which part they
spent the whole show discussing. What really set me off
was Klein was when he was pushing his own book
called Abundance. I think where he and his co author
basically said Democrats weren't creating enough housing and that's why
they were losing. And that's when I legit said enough

(02:16:51):
of this guy.

Speaker 5 (02:16:52):
Me done. And I haven't listened since. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:16:58):
You know, And I think in his mind and it's
got to be an ego thing. He feels like that's
drawing a line and you're taking me out of the party.
It's like, motherfucker, I don't have to listen to everybody
that votes the same as me. We not always gonna
be in lockstep. And that's okay. Plenty of other shit
to listen to. Do you listen to everything?

Speaker 7 (02:17:17):
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:17:18):
Have you heard this podcast? No? You you're an opinion giver.
Other people give opinions based off your opinions. You're putting
it out there. It is not No one is beholden
to be gracious to you about it. You know, it
is what it is. You can respond in kind, but
just understand that, like the job isn't one of universal approval.

(02:17:39):
You're not the politician you're supposed to be covering Itian
But he kept saying we like he was part of
the fucking democratic like election apparatus, and maybe that's what
he really envy about Charlie Kirk, like, maybe that's really
his thing. Is I like that he was able to
get his own people into the Trump administration. That's what
I want to do.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
And maybe that's where his envy truly is and not
and that's why he thinks he did things the right
way regardless of how it turned out.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
Oh, it's something I wanted to bring up for the
person that wrote in and said just because I didn't
listen to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
Oh now, I did not read their comment, and I
did hide them from the YouTube channel on purpose because
I knew that comment would just be another one of
these like asshole comments. But but but I just wanted
to let you know. The reason I didn't read it
was because I was just like, oh, care, probably it's
just why give that person energy or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:18:38):
But if you want to respond, I don't mind. I
just want you to. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:18:42):
I didn't get rid of the comment hoping you wouldn't
bring it up. I got rid of it because I
was like, it's a garbage comment. You might as well
just ask. You know, I've never listened to a day
of fucking Charlie Kirk's whole shit I don't like.

Speaker 5 (02:18:54):
Can you imagine some well you didn't read all his
I got to just bitch.

Speaker 4 (02:18:59):
I think I'm good Aerin on the side of I
don't need to hear more of this, but go ahead.

Speaker 5 (02:19:03):
No, I'm commenting just because of the conversation we just
had for that person that says that I didn't listen
to the podcast, so I shouldn't have an opinion. When
we was talking, I said something that was not valid
on the show, and Roger corrected me because he did
listen to the show and he put out the facts
that that was not a valid thing. So you know,
I can voice opinions and be wrong because and the

(02:19:24):
thing is a lot of people consume a lot of
shit and have a lot of opinions that a lot
of shit to date that they don't actually listen to,
you know, because people have opinions, and we do a show,
and we do a show together, and I'm allowed to
voice my opinion. Yeah, of course. And that's a world
where I would have not listened to it and still
would have wanted to talk about it, right Like, I don't. Okay,
we like as long as we're upfront about it.

Speaker 4 (02:19:45):
I don't even know what the gripe would be, right, Like, Hey,
I didn't listen to this. If you want to disregard
my opinion, you do it. The onus is on you. Listener.
I'm telling you, as the amount of information that I have,
I didn't listen to the whole thing. I'm giving my
opinion anyway, I'm right in like you should have listened. Well,
get a fucking time machine, bitch.

Speaker 5 (02:20:03):
I'm not going.

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
Back and I'm not going to listen to it.

Speaker 5 (02:20:06):
Yeah, and I'm surprised. You know, it's funny because you know,
and this is the reason we stopped reading those emails,
because if in another world where you don't say anything
the whole time because you're like I just didn't listen,
then people go, well, Karen didn't even say anything. Rogers
talked the whole fucking time. She didn't even give it
a pine, like, I want to hear Karen's opinion on things. Okay,

(02:20:28):
you got that. Let's say we do this thing.

Speaker 4 (02:20:30):
I don't correct you. Someone right saying Karen was wrong.
She didn't listen and that's why she was wrong, and
you should have told her that she did it wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:20:38):
Right, Okay, I correct you. Normally we get another motherfucking
sensitive ass motherfucker out there to write an email. Ron,
you should not be correcting Karen. Just let us be
wrong and say what she wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (02:20:50):
Hey, man, we can't win. Y'all do it and that's hilarious.
You do it.

Speaker 5 (02:20:55):
That's the only thing I got. Go be better than us, then, yes, please,
He's gonna be better than us. That's all I ask,
you know, because this is a bit, you know, a
lot of hard work. So I you know, go out
there and do a much better job to catch out
the errors. Be the change you want to see in
the world.

Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
Ain't got the truth, And when you get more than
five people listening, then you'll start to feel the pressure
of like, oh, I can't be perfect.

Speaker 5 (02:21:19):
I'm a person. I wish you had stayed in Brooklyn
when you were working in New York because then you
would have had a clear understanding of what I'm about
to say. Ezra Klein is so fucking Carroll's Garden Park Slope.
These are the two neighborhoods that have been solidly gentrified
for decades. He's the typical of the most recent resident
to Carroll Garden, who thinks he's progressive but moves it

(02:21:40):
to the neighborhood that takes over to public school of
black and brown kids to make it better, until suddenly
it's a school for their kids and the others disappear.
Check out the podcast Nice White Parents. Ezra Klein is
a political podcasting gatekeeper who sees the importance of someone
like Charlie Kirk, but not the importance in black women
who are the base of the Democratic Party period. Yeah,
it is telling.

Speaker 4 (02:22:01):
Like I said, I stopped listening, but even at the
time I did listening, did listen. It's very telling because
when you're the gatekeeper of your own podcast, you already
I mean, look, we're podcasting.

Speaker 5 (02:22:12):
We pick and choose.

Speaker 4 (02:22:14):
This is not a public platform. Just because you write
me an email, can I be on your show? There's
a very small chance that you're getting on our show.

Speaker 5 (02:22:22):
Very little.

Speaker 4 (02:22:22):
Honestly, we reject way more people than we accept cause
I don't know you, and I don't necessarily want to
do The toinn of work I want to do on
this show is the kind of work we want to do.

Speaker 5 (02:22:33):
It's not like, oh yeah, this is the blackout. Tips
for everybody it's the blackout tips for Rod and Karen
first and foremost. Ain't that's the truth. We'll through every
episode with nobody if we want to, we show and
we could so.

Speaker 4 (02:22:44):
My point being as a creator, I understand that he
keeps his platform. Now it's the New York Times. I'm
sure blah blah blah. They probably got a bigger reach.
He probably could get anyone just about to be on
this show if he wanted to. But my point is
it hell's a story who he has on, you know,
and not to be too cynical, but I'm about to

(02:23:06):
be too cynical, you know, Tan Coast.

Speaker 5 (02:23:08):
If you listening, turn this off, Okay, to skip past
like five. Matter of fact, this is about to be
the end of the shew, so just go to the
next episode. I don't know that that man is Ton
of Hasie's friend.

Speaker 4 (02:23:21):
I don't know that cause it to me, I don't
I don't know what kind of person has the platform
like that, And it's just a more of a problem.

Speaker 5 (02:23:32):
With the industry.

Speaker 4 (02:23:33):
But there are very few people that have a platform
that feel like a platform is somebody that would disagree
with them, which he to his credit, he did with coach.

Speaker 5 (02:23:44):
I thought that was actually.

Speaker 4 (02:23:46):
Putting that out was not just risky, but also some
could argue almost foolish because how many people walked out
of that, Like, God damn, that was a one hour
of visceration, right, But also like the steadfastness of not
really listening to the dude is not the flex that
I think he thinks it is. And so even if

(02:24:07):
he opened this platform to have more black women, which
would be awesome, I don't know that, Like the idea
would be awesome, I don't know that the execution would
be awesome because it just turns into a dude not
listening to black women either. I won't say the name
of the podcast with those that have been listening to
a long time, y'all already know the name of the

(02:24:29):
podcast I'm talking about. I just don't want to bring
it up because I'm not trying to be shady. It's
about the bigger point.

Speaker 5 (02:24:36):
But there was a podcast I listened to during the
election cycle for Hillary Clinton versus Trump, and the podcaster
was a dude, and he had a bunch of black
women that would be co hosts that sometimes would rotate,
sometimes be the same people, but it was almost like
typically this dude and then like a black woman that

(02:24:59):
was basically dynamic whoever the black woman will.

Speaker 8 (02:25:02):
Happen to be.

Speaker 4 (02:25:03):
And he spent basically a better part of a year
or two just shitting on Hillary Clinton from the second
she was announced to the fucking election, and it was
a lot of reasons why he refused to vote for her.
It was a lot of reasons why she needed to
earn the vote and if not, she was gonna lose,
and why he didn't need to even vote because he

(02:25:25):
lived in a place where it was blue, so if
he voted, it didn't matter. And a lot of the
people that listening showed were black women who were very
politically inclined, politically active though, people you're shouting down, disagreeing with,
refusing to listen to every single episode for months on end,
were black women who were politically active, informed, intelligent black women,

(02:25:48):
people you put on that step on that platform because
they were so well respected, reason and smart, and there
was never a thing they could say that could move
you in any way, not even an inch. And when
you listen to somebody do that for months and it's

(02:26:09):
not necessarily adversarial, meaning they're not yelling they're not or
sometimes but not, you know, like it's not disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (02:26:17):
And like fuck you, you're dumb, motherfucker. It's not like that.

Speaker 4 (02:26:21):
It's just you could basically be crying begging me, like
you have to wake up.

Speaker 5 (02:26:26):
This is a big deal. She could lose and it's
and part of this is that we need to ensure
that that Trump has not come to power, and he
would just basically be like, well, that's him, you know,
like she need to do better job, she need to do.
It's like the only thing, by the amount of critiques
by the end, the only thing Hillary Clinton could have
done is not be Hillary Clinton. There was literally nothing

(02:26:49):
that she need a time machine to what she would
not even be Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 4 (02:26:53):
That's the only way this guy was going to vote
for her. And this is a pretty liberal, progressive show.
And I don't know that Ezra Kleine would be any different.
I feel like he'd have a black woman on, but
he's gonna do what he did with Coach.

Speaker 5 (02:27:08):
He gonna like.

Speaker 4 (02:27:11):
Those black women aren't there because I think he doesn't
truly value their opinions. And I don't know that he
truly values Coach's opinion.

Speaker 5 (02:27:19):
Is what I'm like, it.

Speaker 4 (02:27:21):
Felt very like you're here for the objects of at
least you were here, and the conversation is important, but
not an actual conversion of thought is important. And that's
what that podcast that I was talking about earlier ended
up feeling like, it's like his brother who has black
women there so he can say I had him here,

(02:27:43):
like they here.

Speaker 5 (02:27:45):
It's like, well, are you listening to him?

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
Not?

Speaker 5 (02:27:46):
Really? Can they change your mind? Impossible? You know, it's like, oh, well, damn.
Do you wonder why people don't feel good about this? Anyway?

Speaker 4 (02:27:56):
She goes on to say he could have had Jasmine Crockett,
Katanji Brown Jackson, or Texas State Representative Nicole Collier, who
was locked in the Texas State Capitol for refusing to
sign the paper saying she would comply with the directors
of the permission slip from the Republicans on his show
to discuss a.

Speaker 5 (02:28:12):
Number of topics.

Speaker 4 (02:28:13):
There are any number of black women he could have
on the show, and there's been nothing but the monotone
dromes or white men just like him, born and very unprogressive.

Speaker 5 (02:28:21):
Well, the other thing.

Speaker 4 (02:28:22):
I would add to my guess is that if a
guy like that does reach out to black women, it
won't be the black women that you named. No, So
if he did, it would end up being like I said,
probably they come on and then he basically don't listen,
or he pretend to be cool and then they leave
and he go back to being him, or he brings
on your Brianna that I forget her last name, but

(02:28:45):
that that woman who.

Speaker 5 (02:28:48):
Brianna enjoyed something.

Speaker 4 (02:28:49):
But the woman who was like a burning person then
went so progressive and extremists that she basically ended up
being like a Republican who said she's a progressive, Like
I think these guys select the people on that platform,
is my point, the same way we do, you know.
So the reason you're not gonna hear certain opinions on
our show is because I'm pretty sure we don't respect

(02:29:10):
them and wouldn't allow them on our show. So unless
somebody wants to surprise us with opinion.

Speaker 5 (02:29:16):
We'll be a surprise and it will basically make you
hear that record scratch what's happening now?

Speaker 4 (02:29:22):
So I imagine that he's not gonna just have people on
there that have the ability and the wherewithal to stand
in his face and be like this is where you
fucked up.

Speaker 5 (02:29:35):
He don't want to deal with that. That mean that
means the conversation. You don't want to have that conversation,
and the people that listen to him probably don't want
to see him have that conversation, agreed, because it makes
everybody all of a sudden, everybody feels uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
Right anyway, I'm mad, So I want to stop talking politics.

Speaker 1 (02:29:56):
It's always one hundred right.

Speaker 5 (02:29:58):
I appreciate it, Lea, thank you, Lee appreciate it. Yeah. So,
And what's what's funny is that like Lee listened to Klein.
Leely was a fan of Cline.

Speaker 4 (02:30:11):
Klein was one of the main drivers of Biden. Shouldn't
have run that second time? You wrote it into us
to be like he shouldn't have run that second time,
y'all was kind of can y'all must have been at
least some way ideologically aligned at that point. And I'm
not trying to dunk on you. I really just feel
this way. I feel like Klein proved my point about what.

Speaker 5 (02:30:33):
I was saying. Like he will say he proved his
point they shouldn't have ran Biden. I't think he's proven
my point. Look at who he.

Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
Has become in the loss. Look at how you can't
listen to him anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:30:44):
The people that were propagating that idea really did not
know what the fuck they were talking about. Because I said,
standing behind Biden and then standing behind Kamala was a
sign of we're to fight. It's not about it's not
about them being perfect or the best candidate. It's I'm
not giving ground to you.

Speaker 1 (02:31:06):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:31:07):
And now, in the wake of it, what's the first
solution he's had for the Democratic Party?

Speaker 4 (02:31:12):
Let's give ground on all this stuff. So you not
bonding for not being progressive enough. You knocked Harris for
not being progressive enough. You not Democrats because they don't
they're not progressive, they don't want it enough.

Speaker 5 (02:31:23):
Their messages is strong enough. And then your solution is,
let's soften the message so we can get Charlie Kirk
in here. That's I knew that would happen. And that's
what I was upset about with the suggestion of like Biden,
we can't run him, he shouldn't run my suggestion, I
guess I was more offended at the idea that these

(02:31:44):
weak ass niggas was sitting up here trying to make
it somebody else fault that they some weak ass niggas.
Everybody else understood the assignment. I know how to vote.

Speaker 4 (02:31:54):
You knew how to vote, caring you how to vote.
If it would have been bidden, I would have voted
the same way.

Speaker 5 (02:31:59):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:31:59):
An whoever the Democratic person was, that's who I was
gonna vote for.

Speaker 4 (02:32:03):
I knew they wouldn't understand the assignment, and the lesson
they took from it is let's go get some Charlie Kirks.

Speaker 5 (02:32:08):
All right, y'all. That's it with no show tomorrow. Thanks
for listening. We'll be back possibly throughout the week. Also
could be a good time to take a week off
because so much news is happening. I can't keep up
a deal with all this. I'm so tired news news.

(02:32:28):
Gonna just keep having it. All right, y'all, We'll talk
to you later. Until next time, I love you.

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