December 7, 2025 • 62 mins
Rod and Karen are joined by J-L Cauvin to discuss his long shot bid for congress, gathering signatures, raising money, rules around debate, bridging the political divide of the left and sacrificing comedy for politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I listen to the black Gyo Tips podcast because Rod
and Karen. Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackoutis Podcast.
I'm your host, Rod, joined us always by my co host,
and we're not alone. You have a special guest. You
(00:21):
may know him as a friend of the show, may
know him as a stand up comedian, writer, actor. Uh,
but I know this man as a politician, a person
who was running for the Democratic establishment. Now the guy
we know him as Jail Covin friend of the show
(00:43):
and now wants to be your congress person if you
live in a certain district of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
A lot is going on a lot. It's this is
kind of a perfect Thanks for having me on this
is This is kind of the perfect fight for somebody
like me. Uh. It takes perseverance, It takes wanting to
fight the system, It takes caring about people, and it
(01:13):
takes expecting to take a big.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
L I can see it.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Like, listen, I feel I was thinking today, like what
if comedy has been you know, just your to set
up for the training ground, you know, much in the
way that that Daniels didn't understand wax On wax Off
like he was.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Just like this some bullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But then when it was time to hop into the
ring against Johnny, all of a sudden, wax On wax
Off made a lot of sense. I feel like you
having to get five hundred signatures is the ultimate bringer show,
the ultimate barking. You were basically barking on the side
of the road, like, hey, uh, y'all, y'all like y'all
(01:57):
like politics, y'all, y'all want to come to a politician show.
Jerry Seinfeld not gonna be there, but I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Sign this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it was this experience. It's a baptism by fire.
And I think New Jersey politics has like a particular
reputation because you know, in other parts of the country
it'll be like he's a fisherman who just said he
was tired of the establishment, and now he's polling at
thirty nine percent. And with us, this is like basically
(02:30):
a you know, a suburb of New York, this district,
and so it's a big media market. It's a lot
of heavy hitters, a lot of experienced people in different fields,
whether it's local politics, national politics, or activism. And you know,
my argument in a broad sense for this is you know,
(02:52):
the main leaders in this candidacy are a sort of
local machine politician, you know, who's bided his time and
has been endorsed by a lot of the power people,
and maybe isn't somebody that will inspire or or help
help because I think there's two things you have to
be concerned. Of course, with local politics, you're writing for Congress.
And if Congress work the way it's supposed to, you know,
(03:14):
the people are supposed to be in charge. That's the
branch of government where you're supposed to be most responsive
to your district. That's why you can have a Marjorie
Taylor Green for all all the problems that causes us.
Each community gets their say. So it's very important that
that the congress person be first and foremost focused on
their district. But what we have now is a Congress,
especially in Republican hands, that has kind of given up
(03:36):
all of their power. So it's what use is it
having a congress person who's responsive to you if the
whole body isn't even doing what the founders sort of
intended at the most base level. So I think there's
a component of yes, must be responsive to the to
the locals, and you know my answer to that is, yes,
(03:56):
I may not be a twenty year congress person, but
I don't view this as like my natural stepping stone
or my birthright. So you tell me what you want,
and I have my red lines, I have my conscience,
I have my own plans and ideas. But first and foremost,
I'm going there as your messenger, not as I'm not
running for president. Like you know, you have some people
who it's like I'm going to do this, this, that,
(04:17):
and it's like, you tell me what you want, and
I'll tell you what I believe in and who I am,
and if these things mesh, then we might have a
good arrangement. Right, But there is a component now of
every you know, they also to say all politics is local.
We're at a point now where like also all politics
is national? Yes, And is there somebody in this race
(04:40):
who cannot just be a hey I got propped up
by the local system, or hey, I'm a fighter because
I'm part of the Bernie the Bernie movement, and I'm
just as concerned with fighting with Democrats as I am
fighting the opposition, because I feel like at this point
in time, I mean, this is I mean, I made
(05:00):
this analogy with you before it's the end of Game
of Thrones. It's like, are you serce, are you still
going to be fighting for your own thing? Are you
just going to be like this is too big, We'll
fight our intra party battles later. We have to find
a unified voice. And as the person with the biggest
social media following, that's the one thing I can hang
my hat on in the race. That's not nothing because
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I'm not arguing that I'm going to be telling jokes.
I'm arguing that my usage of media and communications is
a value and an asset in politics today. You know me,
in a perfect world, this shit wouldn't matter, but it does.
You run for office in the country you have, not
the country you think you wish it might have been
(05:43):
in a perfect world. And so that's kind of my
broad case. I have issues that I obviously care about,
but the broad case for me is.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
That, yeah, I think also, like we watched this happen
with I'd Say, Mom, Donnie AOC, Margie Taylor Green, the
online presence kind of trickles down into the local presence, right,
Like it's like, oh, I sell this person on my
TikTok oh I saw this. I saw a clip of
(06:12):
their and I'm you know, and I'm the reason I'm
bringing up Martie Taylor Green too, is like it's kind
of a political with that, Like fame and celebrity and
following and social media charisma and all that stuff is
kind of a political where it's just like, Oh, that's
a person that I know, and there's something in the
human psyche that's just happy to have somebody that's a
(06:33):
celebrity in a way representing them. Even if the message
is the exact same as the next candidate, it's like, well, yeah,
but this guy's going to get that word out there
because look at what he's been able to do through
social media. Now, when it comes to like getting the signatures,
though there's no online cheat code for that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You got to go out and get that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What was that experience like And how long did you
have and how many signatures did you get to get
on the ballot?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We had? We had ten days. It was over Thanksgiving week,
so it included you know, days like Thanksgiving. I got
exactly zero signatures, as you might imagine, so I really
had nine days. We ended up getting six hundred and
nineteen signatures. Which was the lowest in the field. But
I can say firsthand I witnessed people cheating and there
(07:24):
was one experience where they didn't know yet. I think
that I was that they were showing up to a
show I was doing, Like, what are the odds a
comedian on this show will be running for this office?
Pretty low?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, pretty low?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And you know they were getting I witnessed multiple candidates
skirting the rules, and to me, I know, people will
sometimes think, you know, the comedian, who's taking him seriously.
I'm also been a lawyer. I'm also a highly ethical person,
right and I'm not if I'm I did comedy the
right way, and you could argue I've had some wins,
but overall we had a losing record. I think in comedy,
(08:00):
you didn't tak no, you did not I did not cheat,
I did not set.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
All your pars. You didn't do a major trade.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It was it was an ethical tank. Like how the
Horness get injured every year?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yes, you like, we're injured, so I guess we're gonna
take these AELs.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I am. I am the the LaMelo Canipple. But I
I thought to myself, I was like, I'm I'm getting
into this because I think I have something to offer
and I don't do like I would. I would rather
lose get zero votes than than or not qualify then
(08:38):
then take a shortcut, like how do you start a
political career on like a dirty note? It would be
would be my thing. So the first people I went
out with and and to be honest, I I got
like half of the city. Now I got like thirty
five percent of the signatures. Friends and some fans just
took petitions, like one one guy, Billy, was a teacher
(08:58):
at a local school. He's not even in the but
he got like seventeen teachers who live in the district
to sign it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
A friend of mine from college and law school got
like seventy six signatures in his town.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because these are people who kind of know me, believe
in me, want to see me in this race. But
also I think got a little motivated by how tough
a barrier they made it for people to enter. I
felt like it was a little like five hundred signatures
was tough. Over that week was especially tough. And as
somebody who I'm joking with, one of the lines I
(09:32):
sort of joke with is a lot of all the
candidates want to say we're grassroots, we're grassroots. It's like,
and I learned that lesson from comedy. Everybody would say
I did it myself, This is a DIY special, this
is all me. And it's like, well, but you do
have an agent, and you do have like a national
show with somebody that you do, and you do have
a manager, and like you got to a place where
(09:54):
you could then do it yourself, but you're not really
doing it yourself. So I said, my campaign is I
guess dirt base. If these are grassroots, I'm I'm soil.
My campaign is soil.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Alexots yes.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
To Covan, but yeah, it's it's betting. The Stagings was
the first people we went out with, and Laura was
out with me several times and and I joked on
Rain on your parade, I said, it takes a real
scumbag to be a comedian or a politician, right, because
you end up bringing these like this work and this
emotional burden into the relationship when you're doing something so
(10:35):
personal and so tough, and you know, I I recognize
that for any flaws I have, I am deeply touched
by anybody, including my girlfriend who you know, has like
a moral obligation to support me. I guess, like anybody
who who is out there. It is very touching and
at my level, oddly enough, it's like my comedy. You
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you have more of a connection because you don't have
some army of like paid professionals and volunteers and staff
who are like all thinking you're the horse that's gonna
get They want to give me a shot.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
They're not doing this because they think I'll win. They
hope i'll win, they hope I can pull off a miracle.
But they're doing this just to give me a shot.
And that's very touching and and and profound in a way.
And so the first people we go up to Laura
and I the night the day the petitions were available, legally,
I should say, I.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We go to this theater in Montclair. There was a concert.
It was like a laser light show, like Grateful Dead
type concert. So she was like, it's probably going to
be liberals, Like, it'll probably be like liberal people who
go to this concert, right, I go, Okay, let's try.
Now I get there. It's all white. That doesn't mean
it's not liberals. It's a it's a you know, the
district is majority white, majority Democratic, but I just had
(11:51):
a feeling, you know, It's like, I feel like you
can judge a Maga book by a Maga cover.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I walk up to these three people and I say, hey, uh,
just just curious. So you guys happen to be registered
Democrats in the district, and the question I got from
one of them was liberal or conservative? And I was like, okay, well,
I know already where this is going because I just
said Democratic. So I said, well, I'm running for the
Democratic primary. And the second guy in the group of
(12:20):
three said, yeah, I don't vote for baby killers. And
I said, well that's okay, because I haven't killed any babies.
I just said, all.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Right, he said, I said, I don't vote for baby killers.
I vote for pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay. It's a big difference, and Megan Kelly know the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Between a nine and a fifteen year old, but yes,
that was it was like, and I thought to myself,
I was like, sir, I don't think you've ever done
anything pro life in your life, Like you don't say
I didn't say this. This is the lesson I learned
when you have a clipboard. It's like you're wearing a
sign that says I'm a bitch.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah kick me. You can.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You can talk to me like you wouldn't talk to
another person or a guy who looks like a retired
WWF wrestler. Yeah, you can talk to because and that's
a that's an interesting lesson where it's like, oh, I'm
trying to do something positive, right, so feel free to
insult me.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And and you're how tall again?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Six seven two ninety though I've lost like fifteen pounds
in two weeks because I'm not eating.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I wasn't gonna talk about your way. You know
that isn't either here nor there. But I just want
to point out your six seven right. And I'm sure
he was like, hey, I don't both of no, right,
It's like, uh, that's only because of the power to clipboard.
It's almost like being online on social media tonight.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It's kryptonite for me, right, it does the reverse for them.
It makes them supermans.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I'm like, oh, actually, now that you need something.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, And I joked on I said that like
when I approach people, I start to feel like Ben
Stiller and Happy Gilmour, like hey, mayor are you a
Democratic voter?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is that my voice?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Going to do some food? I have a moment of
your time. That's why I say something rude. It's like,
how about I give you a cup of shut the
hell up to you?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, well, now your fingers are gonna be hurting alone
with your face right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But it's but you know, most what I what I've said,
and I mean it is that for every eight people
who react either rudely or awkwardly, like there's a lot
of like awkward like I said something very strange to people.
You know, it's that's alarming in and of itself, but
you'd get a good conversation or somebody who'd give you
the time of day, and that recharges you and you
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feel like, hey, I you know sometimes people wouldn't even
sign up. And I said on Karen Hunter's show, you
know she she came out to my Starbucks for an
hour just to hang out and to try and get
a few people to show up. And one or two
people came up, came and could sign, and then they
were like half a dozen people who showed up who
couldn't sign but were trying. And you just said even
that it felt good. That effort and that reach out
(15:03):
was worth signatures to me because it gave me a
little bit of extra emotional boost because this is it
was a very and I will say this, the comedy
experience prepped me for this, because it's very lonely doing this,
you know, maybe not for some of the other candidates.
For me, it felt very lonely and very cold because
You're standing outside all day in cold weather and I'm
(15:24):
not in like a parka because i want people to
see me and not look like a snowman when they
meet me, and you know, so it's it was. It
was physically intense and and a little emotionally draining, but
we got there and I just felt complete gratitude. I
didn't feel like, yeah, I did it. I really felt
like we did this. You guys helped me so much
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and were like believed in me and just wanted me
to have an opportunity, and that that was that was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It seemed like you kind of did it the way
that you know, the story of politics is told. You know, oh, yeah,
you just one man wants to change his town and
you get involved and you get you go out and
you meet people and yeah, much like comedy. When you
get involved, you see like, wait, no, motherfuckers get signatures beforehand.
(16:13):
They got a whole team. Uh you know, they got
they got these ties of people, phone banking. What would
it take for you to get a team of people? Like,
is that a thing that you're aspiring to have or
you're going to try to go you know, grassroots solo
all the way we're got.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I mean, I have I have if if if my
team includes my website guy of almost twenty years, okay,
who built a website in about three the website I have,
which is really nice. Uh he built it in about
three days of the non stop work. Damn. I have
a campaign manager and I have two friends in d
(16:52):
C who are like heavily advising me. That's it. That's
that's the team. It's it's literally, you know, an a team.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is that something?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is that something you want?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Like that's just keeping lean and mean? Are is this
something where you look around these other candidates like, okay,
how do I get the apparatus you have so that
I can you know, not have to do so much
by myself?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Right? I think I think the key and here's you know,
the first ask of the black guy who tips fan,
I think away brother raising money because this is such
a shortened experience, like it's we have. We have two
months till the primary. Okay, so raising money allows your
hire people, allows you to.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Look man having the tip shape.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Go ahead, brother, raise that money.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Ask that plate till the brother jail pass around.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It is a like the money sends a message. And
and there are people I won't be able to compete
with in this race. There are people who have a mass,
like you know, they came into this race with like
four hundred thousand dollars ready to go right. But the
more money I get just to just so it appears
viable and will allow us to make the ad I
want to make, get like a mailer or two to
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to targeted homes, because that's that's an expensive, relatively expensive operation.
Every donation counts Like if if every one of my fans,
and this will make you laugh, because we already once
I say every one of my fans to do anything.
If I said every one of my fans, if they
could just ignore my work, you'd be like, I think
they can do it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I think they can.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We got we got this, We got even we have
been practicing.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
We have been waiting for this moment.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But if I said every one of my fans, every
one of your fans that could, that is able because
I know the trust me. It's but everyone who could
gave ten bucks. Obviously if you can give it more more,
but every you know, then we'd have a big chunk
of change for this Like initial this is it's like
a startup, and everybody says, like I just took a
(18:56):
million dollar loan from my parents and created this billion
dollar company. Now that doesn't mean you didn't do work,
has an idea, et cetera. But when you tell somebody
who is locked out of that initial burst, it doesn't
matter what your idea is. In the cases, and this
is an example of like, if I can get to
X dollars just for this, like next be pre Christmas,
(19:19):
pre Christmas, get to a certain amount where I can
make an ad, get a mail or out, that may
be enough to shift and get me in the conversation.
Because right now I'm in the conversation as a novelty,
not as you know. I know the few events I've
been to so far, people come up to me after
and they say, if you don't win this which I
know it's you know, we both know is not likely
at this point because you're a dark horse, underdog candidate.
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We want you to stay involved because we see that
you are somebody with passion, with with with communication skills,
with a desire to strengthen the Democratic Party in a
way that these other candidates don't represent. You know, everybody
always wants John Stewart, Stephen Colbert to get involved. They're
not getting involved, right and all these other peop people
who talk on politics, they're not leaving their their ten
(20:02):
million dollar patreons exactly actually do something. I'm in a
sort of weirdly sweet spot where it's like I've built
up enough of a name, but I actually care more
about this than I do about the jokes that mock
Trump after the fact, right, I care more about trying
to do something at this point preemptive and helpful and
so money and like signing up for you know, at
(20:25):
my website just for updates and being able to share
the website if you know people in Jersey say, you
might want to check this guy out, but right now
adding you know, getting people to sign up for the
website just for updates and to build a list and
then any donation, like if anybody was a Patreon subscriber,
anybody ever tipped a YouTube video, anybody ever bought a
ticket to see me. Pretend like I'm coming to your
(20:46):
town and the tickets are twenty bucks, right, and you're
you're not you're Rod fans who are fans of mine.
You're you're Karen fans who are fans of mine. You're
not my fans, right, you are the good fans who
have them and love me as by my relationships them.
You would be at that show. And this is real.
This is not a gimmick, This is not this is
I really believe that what I can bring to the
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table can help and I want to be in it.
It's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
To give money.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yes, oh yeah, good, good good. My my manager would
be very mad. I haven't already said that donate donate
to the number two or t o either one, but
donate to j L dot com and uh, volunteers. I
think if you go to the webs if you send
your email and you can contact you can contact the
(21:37):
the through US and just send an email to the
campaign like I, uh, you know, I'd like to volunteer
or help if you could keep me on a list
for when you know there's a call to action. My
campaign manager will collect those those signatures not signatures, those
those emails and sort of, you know, put them together
for for when there's a call to action.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ay j L.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What is yes?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
What is it between what you thought you was getting
into in the reality of it? Because you know it
once you started, you know, you have all these ideas
and all that stuff, and then you get into it
and you realize it's something completely different. Like what was
the two biggest difference between what you thought in the
reality of it?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It's the feeling. I think it's like they tell you,
I wasn't let astray, Like man, when you get in,
it's gonna be like, like awesome, and it's got no
people are like it's a grind, and when you get
those signatures, it will become more of a grind. But
there is being told about it and there's experiencing.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's it's I think for me, the difficulty is there's
only so many days before February fifth, and do you
reach enough people both changing people's minds Because a lot
of these candidates come with locked in bases already. They
come from a political community, they come from like a
(22:59):
lot of the candidates have their own packs, their own
like Bernie Sanders endorsed a woman who worked for him.
That's a big right get when you're running in that
kind of outsider TM lane if I can, if I
can quote Rod in terms of using the TM and
then there's a lot of deeply inside candidates and with
this amount of time, our strategy has to be a
(23:21):
hybrid of who can we convince that is leaning not
as locked in, but is leaning somewhere, but that you
need to send someone different in twenty twenty five to
fight for you. You need somebody with it, with a little
bit of a different skill set, a little bit different energy.
Because if you want me to come with a presidential platform,
you know that's all. That's all great, and that's good,
(23:43):
but you need a heat seeking missile. You need somebody
who can broaden the party but also be a forceful
voice for what you want, right And.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So I think also, I think that energy is out
there now. I think when you look at I forgure
get the ladies' names, but those two blonde women who
are podcasters who like cussed.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Out rome of my Emmanuel.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
There's a type of energy that I don't think is
being served by the Democratic Party, that I don't think
is being served even by these outsider voices that are
like both parties are bad, and there's this voice of like, no,
I'm proud of the accomplishments and the aims and the
goals of the Democratic Party. I'm not running from this.
I'm not afraid of this. I don't think it's wrong
(24:29):
to want the things that I want, and I'm forcefully
saying these are the right things, as opposed to what
I believe is a constant apology from the Democratic Party
that in large and I think it leads to, honestly,
instead of a rallying cry, it leads to like more like,
let's just be critical.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What they're really inviting is critiques.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What they want to hear is feedback for what they're
doing wrong, as opposed to like what I think rallies
people is a strong Sometimes it's a strong like no, no,
this is the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We should just get behind this.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Like it doesn't mean you can't improve or whatever, but like, uh,
instead of being like you didn't get every student loan. Uh,
and then you turn and go, well, yeah, we're gonna
try to get every student. We're sorry about that, instead
of being like, no, we got the majority of student loans,
like people were paying bills and then they don't you know,
housing where you.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Could say if you said with student loans, just to
leave that. It's like, well, Biden tried, he came, he tried,
and the Supreme Court that wouldn't have been like this
if Hillary Clinton was president, right shut it down. Yes,
so and nobody. It's almost like one of those things
where democrats, as we've discussed, have to do this thing
like what but you don't don't lecture the voters, teach
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them about democracy, but cowtow to their every whim and don't.
And to me, it's you know, at this point, like
my argument and I made this on your show maybe
maybe the last time I was on is democrats, and
I've said this. Somebody at the at a town hall
said to me, I've never heard it put that way.
That was very good where I said, we need democrats
(26:08):
who are going to engage people, but can also begin
a long march towards not undoing what Trump did. And
we have to take a page out of the Republican playbook,
which is we want Tom Brady throwing an eighty yard
touchdown pass to Randy moss Yay, what we did it,
Medicare for all. We did it. We got the We
(26:29):
got the big, unbelievable, tremendous victory that we all think
is right, and we got it. I look at it,
and I say, I've broken down certain things where I say, like,
elder care is an area of deep importance to me
and to like a lot of my friends as their
parents are getting older. I've seen it with my own parents.
I say, what if we took that Bernie energy and
either put it into a public option instead of medicare.
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Let's let's mobilize for the public option, or let's mobilize
for a Japanese style in insurance system for our elders
that is comprehensive so that there they they age with
dignity and their kids don't go emotionally or financially bankrupt
right with the stress. What if we took that energy
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and said, you know what, let's fight like hell to
pick up eight yards on this play right, and then
celebrate the shit out of that pick up the way
the Republicans every time some trans kid gets banned from
a little league baseball game. It's on Fox News and
they're going, look at what we're fighting for. Yes, we
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treat everything but the biggest victories as a piece of shit.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Right jail, And it's memoralizing it, and it makes people
feel like what's the point, And it's like you can't
complain about everything. It's like, you know, when you watch
any sports, particularly football, you have four times to make
ten yards. You don't get all ten yards you first
tried most of the time.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's very ironic Karen saying this because the way Karen
watches sports, which we watch a lot of sports together.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that every no it's not that, it's when we go.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
To the basketball game we watch football, every play should
be a positive play, as if the other team is
not even out there, as if like why didn't we
score the basket every time? You know, And I rationally
try to tell her like, hey, you know, the other
team is good too, and they are attempting to stop
us from doing things, and sometimes players fuck up like
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it happens, like she says famously, free throws are free points.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They are, She's correct, and that they should be.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But she also says as a person that's never run
forty minutes in a row and then tried to shoot
a free throw.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So when we are watching sports, she becomes the Democratic nasay,
she is the person that's.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like, why didn't body get the Green New Deal? Immediately?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Different? But in politics rooting for Biden, I'm not and
give up.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But those people also think that too, and they didn't.
They give up and go home, and they'd be like,
I'm never watching this team again.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I'm saying back next week, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Biden gave us. Biden gave us big victories, and then
we didn't celebrate them. We trashed him, We trashed his administration.
And then Trump is undoing the things that we never
even highlighted to begin with.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, yeah, every day you're finding a new error program
that is just gone.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But one of the things I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Though, is have you thought about, like, what are the
rules around money in this campaign?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because I know the rules very different districts and stuff,
So what are the rules to money? Is there limit
on who, how many people can donate, how much a
person can donate?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
If I'm not mistaken, it's I think it's I want
to say the max is like five thousand. I was like, uh,
I think, and of course that's you know, yeah, I'm
asking for small donations from lots of people or versus
big donations from a few.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
But if you could get.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Americans, are you gonna turn it down? Are you gonna
be like, I'm sorry, that's too big a donation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Oh no, no, no, because I'm not taking any like
organized pack money. So it's like yeah, And I joked
on another show, uh the other day, I said, and
if you are you have to be American to donate,
that's it. You could even live in a foreign country.
If you're American, you can donate. If you are not American,
you can't donate. And I said, and I guess now
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that Trump is like pardoning narco terrorists. I guess if
you're a horrible criminal, but you're American, you can donate
to my campaign. And I'm just I'm just trying to
be like, played by the rules as I see them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think, Uh, I think, uh is it Henry Kuehler
is how he says his name. The I think he
may have fucked it up for everybody because he got
pardoned by Trump and then announced that he's gonna run
for office again, but as a Democrat still, and then
Trump got mad. It was like that's it. No more
missed the nice guy. And I'm like, well fuck, maybe
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that was how jail could get in. Was he could,
you know, finesse the system and then run.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
No, no, no, no Trump. I'm actually we're still on
the same side. I'm just going in as a d right.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It is. It is funny though that when you look
at Trump, it's like his only bipartisan issue is corruption.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
He's like, I will I don't see party lines when
I see somebody abusing our system for self gain.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Right, He's like, listen, what side you on? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I don't care if you're black, white, purple, if you
a corrupt, or you a pedophile, I got you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, that's covered. We need to come together as America.
The criminals. What about what.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
About like some unorthodox like type of people to get
money from? You know, have you looked around. I mean
you're in New Jersey. I've seen sopranos.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You thought about any of those bars? You know, see
see what you can do.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe you can make the change the laws for strip
clubs up there or something.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
For him, maybe bought a being for j L.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Woke up this one.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's this is all all all kidding aside, and I
like to I like to keep things light. But it's
like the raising money part is the part, Like it's
the one thing I'm comfortable talking to strangers. I'm comfortable
talking to people of the other side. I'm talking, I'm
comfortable arguing or debating with people, but asking for money
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it's still it's like an it's like an uncomfortable thing
for me.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Well, that's what you really struggled in your comedy career too,
like that, like this this is a through line for
life for you.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Because I just I just want people. I want people
to I want people to donate. But it's it's it
is one of those and they they'll they'll laugh and say,
well you better get comfortable doing it. Yeah, And and
it is one of those things where you say, on
a personal level, you're like, I wish elections weren't weren't
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like this this money grab telethon, but they are, and
you just I just hope that I can people can
sort of see what I'm selling.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, what sucks is that we need the people who
are the most comfortable being like money, money, money about
the ship are obviously the people that we are the
most worried about when it kills.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, and if you don't like fundraising you just do
the job, then you can't do the job, yes, Zach bo,
you might not be the type of person we want doing.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The job exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So like I wish, we do need to find a
hybrid that can turn it on and be like, hey man,
when it comes to the money part, I have to
be comfortable with that because I can't serve you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
In a in not a capectity.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I think Mom Donnie was a great example to a
lot of people because the fervor behind him was you know,
the money, boom boom boom, and then he's making as
like he's putting out videos like that's we got the money,
like we made, we made the money, made our goals.
This is enough money to run for mayor if you
want to help, now get feet on the street, volunteer
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like this is a different removing the campaign. And I
thought that was really endearing too, because a lot of
people I believe who are who understand money is a
demand of the job, like you can't be a politician
in America and went office with no money. But it's
refreshing to have a politician be like, oh no, I
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was it. You know, we're not gonna keep sending you
text messages like you know, you know Senator Shoeing needs
your help, or you know they kidnapped NESI Putlosa's baby.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You got ten dollars, we can get out.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It has slowed down a little bit, but they still
come in.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's a little scary. So what about crypto?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Have you thought about maybe crypto some bribes, I don't know,
maybe some sort of like you know, shady like, oh,
you're buying a watch, the watch costs a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
People.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I've had a few. I mean, I've had a few
foreign people. Not to quote Stringer Bell from the wire,
but I've had a few people basically just write to
me on social media like, is there any way a
foreign fan can circumvent and donate jumbo what? I was like,
first of all, no, what, and why, like A no,
(35:25):
that's just no, right, and also this is public, right. Yeah,
I've had people send I've had a couple of people
send me private messages and they were kind of joking.
They're like, what if somebody like bought a bunch of
cameos from you and left you generous tips? And I said,
I said, don't even joke about it, Like I'm getting
cameo orders still, but I don't want to see anything
out of the ordinary, right, Yeah, I just once again,
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it's like I'm gonna lose fairly like on my terms,
like I'm not and I don't you know, if if
I don't want to say, like if I were like
some twenty year politicians and this was like the last
stop of my career, I still wouldn't do it. But
at least then I'd be like, well, I know why
that dude was corrupt. He was like, this is all
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I got me. It is my first race.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's also it's also interesting too because like the Elon
Musk runs Twitter, I feel like at any point the
d m s could be exposed for all of us.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Like I feel like, turned out the jail was very corrupt,
putting him. We're going to release the jail files today.
What he was doing, Like basically his might be the
most corrupt politician. And this has nothing this this has
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nothing to do with the fact that he was doing
a very nasty impression of me, you know, about corruption
and getting it.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Did you see the video of him on Rogan trying
to tell us that Rock is a good idea for
Thanksgiving is to have Rock roast your family.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
He's like, it's the funniest thing ever. It's I'm gonna
pull it up. But it was so It was so
interesting because there's a thing that is missing in a
person like Elon Musk what he wants to be liked,
and he really wants to be funny.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yes, Like I don't know, he's not. He's terrible at both.
People don't like you and you're not funny.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I don't know why he wants that exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
What I do feel like you would represent a a
certain type of threat to his ego if you're like,
if you're on his radar, I feel like you being
funny doing the impression of him. Uh, when it's clearly
something he wants to be Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know, money can't buy It can buy you people
who will laugh at you, but it can't buy you humor.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
It really agree, either you're funny or you're not right.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, I will say this. I just have to say
without revealing anything. You know, in my legal career, I've
seen you know, correspondence among millionaires and billionaires, and man,
do billionaires get treated differently? Like you can see it
in you can see it in correspondence where it's just
like fawning over the most insignificant thing, like, my god,
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it was an incredible honor. You're such great conversation. Everything is,
and it's I would hate to It's like when Seinfeld
did his documentary many like twenty three years ago or something,
and he would just get up on stage that is
like the height of his powers. Just after Seinfeld and
he would get up on stage and they just be
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laughing at everything he said. And you could tell it
irked him because it was like, yeah, but I got
I gotta learn if this is good, right, I gotta
know if this is good. So he cared about the
objective truth of his jokes being funny or not. And
I feel like a lot of these billionaires they drink that.
I would hate that. I would be like, do you
think I'm funny? Right? Like like like watch this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm gonna put this clip up real quick, the well,
look at this, this is crazy?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Uh, how bad.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
This is let's try unhinged.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh this is an n hingebone.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Okay, heyah, oh my god, Elon Fresh, hell, are you
stirring up today?
Speaker 7 (39:28):
I'm here, I'm here in Joe Rogan's studio, and we're
having a conversation about how crazy the news is.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Pull her up to the microphone.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Okay, and we're pulling you up to the microphone. People
can hear you?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Hilarious?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh fantastic?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Now I can yell into the void about how the
news is a total dumpster fire. It is.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Like, oh, that's bad, that's real. Bad.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Is probably worth like a hundred million, right, it's still
more is Rogan to Musk in terms of finances, and
so there's still that Oh man, now he might you
could say he's being a gracious host, but he likes
Elon like they're boys, and it's just like.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But also, Joe Rogan is missing.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Joe Rogan is a guy who called like Mark Marin
a hack and people calling people calling professional comedians unfunny
because they don't agree with like going to Saudi Arabia
or something. Right, this guy is not Elon Musk is
not cracking Joe Rogan. But Joe Rogan is letting himself
appear to be cracked up. And one of the things
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I thought was funny in a different clip is Elon
Musk is like, well, you know, it's uh, it's so funny,
it's so a hinged.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Crock is so good.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And then Joe Rogan keeps saying, like five times in
a row like yeah, and it just keeps getting better
and it's just good. And that's the thing. I keep thinking,
it's gonna keep getting better. And I was like, you
know what that is code for? He's really saying it
sucks right now.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
What you're really saying is it's not good now. But
it's just the promise of AI is that it will
be good one day. And that's what's really fascinating is
that it won't suck eventually. For you to waste three
minutes on my show doing this hacky bullshit that's not funny,
and me having to pretend that it is gonna fucking
sell out.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
He was looking like, I wouldn't even let you be
my opening act. What is this?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Are they gonna be like like debates and stuff in
this race that you're in, or is it just kind
of like you.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Run your race and then boom, it's time to vote.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It depends I think what probably the front runners are
hoping for, you know, the top three are probably hoping
people drop out people, you know, and then there's a
big question of okay, if we are if eight of
us or six of us or ten of us make
it you know past Christmas? Is there a debate scheduled?
And then you know, they can, I assume set the
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rules for how to qualify, which is why donations, so
that you hit certain thresholds of money raised or number
of donors, and then using that money as fast as
possible to do Like I have this ad that I
wrote that'll be like a YouTube video, but you know,
we've used that the production of it would not be
too costly, but then the money would go towards like
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get everybody in Jersey to see this video, send it
to the media, like let it, let it go viral
as we sort of poke holes at like the three
front runners and make the case for a normal, proud,
progressive democrat, progressive but not annoying, right, you know, like
kind of kind of kind of lane and then you know,
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so so and then that gets you on the radar
of maybe undecided or people who are low propensity voters.
Maybe they go I kind of like the comedian guy,
like if you so, it's it's that's what we're I
want to say, afraid of. But that's what we're trying
to fight early is like donations, name wreck ignition, so
that if they pull something like January second, say the
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day the one debate will be January tenth, and if
you haven't reached x dollars or x donors or x
percent in the poll, you are you're excluded. And then
you can basically probably bury your candidacy if you're not
at that point in the conversation. So that's why this
this kind of urgency now to sort of be prepared,
and like I said, when I meet people, when they
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see me, they can see, you know, one of these
is not like the other. You know, and my credentials
as a lawyer, as a as a democrat or are
sort of solid. It's the comedian thing that maybe makes
me memorable. And then you sort of try to meet
as many people and let them know, like the comedy
stuff is a plus factor. It's not why you vote
for me alone, but those skills are why you should
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consider me.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Is it hard to hold back from because I see
how you treat the fans that try to punch up
your jokes or punch down as we refer to. But
when you're running as a candidate, as a politician, I
feel like the punch ups are kind of the kind
of part of it, right, the idea like, oh this policy?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Have you thought about this thing?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Are you able to control the evil inside that would
that would just you know, seize on a person and
strangle the life out of them comedically?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Are you able to keep that in check?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
And well, here's and yes, yes I am. And here's
why I consider myself a comedy expert. I'm not an
expert on your town, like, uh, when I come to
your town, and and the people who show up to
these events are sort of high interest voters. They skew older,
they care, they that many of them seem to know
their stuff or at least know their concerns. So it
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would it would be wrong of me to sort of
be like, well, no, no, no, you can't. Like it's
more like, no, I'm here to listen to you. I'm
here to make a case for myself, but listen to
you and I know this sounds like I'm doing petitician speak,
but this is the truth. This is what government is
supposed to be. You look at me as a person,
you look at my qualifications, if you think I am
worth considering. Now it's time for you to give me
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your ideas, your concerns, and we have a conversation. I
take them in and we see what we can do.
You know, on the man on the street stuff the signatures,
that was more more alarming because you ran into a
lot more people, even in affluent areas where you respect,
like on average, i'll see more educated people, I'll see
more in tune and people. Many people were really really
(45:35):
tuned out. And it's not my place to tell them
how to live their lives. I get it some people
tune out because it's too stressful, But you can tell
kind of a tuned out because I'm tired of it
and tuned out because I never paid attention, right and yeah,
and so that was a little more frustrating, But that's
not the time to be picking fights and arguing when
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you're trying to gather signatures. But now I think a
lot of the people I see are our concerned citizens
who in some cases will know more. They know more
about their concerns than I do. Of course, you know,
so I can't just go, uh no, you're wrong to
be worried about.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
That, right, Yeah, I do wonder what I having it because,
like Karen Hunter when I was on the show, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Somebody tells me how to write a joke, they'll catch these.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Verbal Have you thought about changing this line in your commercial?
I think it's funny because, like Karen Hunter, like will
suggest or pride to be like, maybe you know, we
need good people around, profice you should run, And I'm like,
I don't want to. And I really do think I
don't want to live a life where I can't be like, well,
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that's stupid, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Like the other day on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
They show this older this clip of like man Trump
has really lost a lot of ground with young voters.
He had this percentage of support in February and now
it's down this small percentage in December, and I was like, yeah, well,
young people were acting stupid, Like to me, that's an
objective fact, Like if these are the things that you
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want and then you voted for, you thought this man
would this man would bring about the progressive ideals. That
you want because you saw enough tiktoks or whatever. The
fucking reason is not my business, but I like the ability.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
To say that.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I don't think a politician should or would say something
like that, because it's probably not productive to talk about
a large swath of the potential voting.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Base as stupid everybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But I find myself in those other moments that I
actually like certain politicians. Right it's when Obama says people
cleaning the guns and bibles.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I went, yes, that is what is happening right now.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
No one wants to talk about it. Hillary Clinton, some
of this guy's voters are deplorable.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
I'm watching them be deplorable and do deplorable things. So
how do you navigate that line of like, man, because
you know, we're friends, we talk. It's weird. Politics is
so weird because there's these there's these like these invisible
lines that like in real life, if you weren't running
for office, or you weren't trying to be a politician
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to get a vote, it's like, oh, that's the reasonable
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's frustrating, and I see why you said that.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
But as a politician, it's like you can never really
show that level of frustration what you are on with
with the people you hope to court as voters.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
And I think for me, I'm sorry, I think for me,
what's frustrating about it on the outside looking in?
Speaker 4 (48:37):
And and I know, uh, jail's on the lawd level.
Speaker 5 (48:40):
When you look at Trump, Trump goes, I don't give
fuck about your normals right like like like he says
the ship out loud. If I don't like you, I'm
putting you on the list, like he verbally says these things,
and there's no outraged, there's no backlash like like for
for most normal politicians like about to say they have
to most of.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
The he's written.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He's written the prominence based on doing the opposite of
everybody else.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yes, yes, so with everybody else.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
They have all these rules and regulations and you can't
be emotional, you can't do this, you can't piss these
people off. Whatever, and Trumps like, fuck it, I'm gonna
say it was on my chest.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah yeah, Well, I think I am trying to be
myself and knowing that my strength. You know, if I'm
trying to be one of twelve candidate who sounds the
same and within the bounds of normal politics. What I
told people at a town hall, Wow, time is blurring.
(49:34):
What's today, Sunday, Sunday, Thursday. I believe it was Thursday,
might have been Wednesday, might have been Friday. It wasn't
Friday anyway. I told them, if you've been with Trump
for ten years, we've been doing this this dance as Democrats,
where the centrist Democrats say, you know, we need to
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we need to find a middle ground. Most people want
a middle ground, right. And what I say to that
is and once again with Joe Manchin as a good example,
even though he's no longer in Congress, Joe Mansion is
a perfect example where I say, if Joe Manchin is
the difference between Democrats controlling the Senate or not, please
give me Joe Manchin right, agreed, if we can get
fifty six Democrats get rid of the filibuster, we can say,
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Joe Manchin, you can come on board. You can be
the sort of like moderate Republican that you kind of
want to be right, but you can have to control
different right. And we have to know the difference between
if Joe Manchin is vote fifty and the other choice
is a Republican, Please give me Joe Manchin for fifty
so we can control the power in the Senate. That
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is a value, a huge value in and of itself,
because you see what they do when they have power.
They stifle, They don't want government to operate. But as
far as speaking truth in a plain spoken way, you know,
I say what I really believe. Now, obviously I may
phrase it differently in comedy, but I say, if you're
a Maga voter in twenty two twenty five, I don't
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consider you part of the middle ground that I need
to seek. I consider to you on the fringe that
if this were a European country, you would be that
thirty percent marine La penn party in France that we
get scared when you approach thirty five percent of the vote,
where we say, everybody, let's get together. We have to
stop this, this anti diversity, anti democracy party. And we
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aren't a normal functioning democracy anymore, unfortunately. And what I
think and my message to the party, you know, as
a as a rep for this county, but like I said,
for this district, but like I said, also in the
sense of all politics is local, but all politics is
now national. Also we need somebody or some people. And
(51:47):
I'm arguing not that I am the savior, but that
I can be a voice that does this. We need
people who can say, Okay, Bernie, love the passion, love
the goals. Not the biggest fan of the all or
nothing politics, Chuck Schumer, love the experience, Love that you're
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on the side with the good guys. Don't always love
the half measures. Hey, everybody who's a Democrat, you know
what we should be doing. Let's find the middle ground
between kind of left and very left. Then we all
get on board because if we do that, we make progress.
And some people may be disillusioned. But you know what, Bernie,
(52:31):
if you actually put your back into telling your supporters
this is progress, Yes is progress, they will go, Okay, Bernie,
we trust you, we value you, We know where you
want to get, and we know this is a step
in that direction. But if it's ola gawks and Medicare
for all and that's all you keep saying, the rallies
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will be big, the energy will be big, the legislation
will be small. And I think we need to say
and we need voices. And if I can be the
regular voice, the guy who talks like regular people who
people can listen to. Because I've shown it, I've grown
a big fan base across the political spectrum, at least
the center right to far left have all consumed what
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I do. We need to say, we need to come
together as a family, as a party, and then come
up with a message that we all just say, fuck it,
that's our message, that's our team. And then maybe those
seventy million people who don't vote not the maggot. If
you're a ten year Trump guy, what am I? My breath,
(53:37):
my time, my energy cannot be used for you right now.
If we can get eight million of those seventy million,
we win, We win, and we crush because fifty two
percent of sixty percent of the races is a lot. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's my broad political approach is like, we need
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people who aren't going to be consumed with I want
to even if you got to do it with tough love.
How do we bring the Democratic Party into cohesion the
way the Republican Party brings everybody to fucking heal? Now?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
What about local are you being? Are you like when
people come up to you, are they more excited by
that like broader national message or are they you know
are they just like, listen the fountain in the park
on Seventh Street. It ain't been working right, and I
just I'd be walking my dog and it's not getting
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taken care of jail, Like what what? What are they
turned on by?
Speaker 3 (54:41):
I think still when I was getting signatures, some people
ask questions about issues, whether it was Israel or things
like that. Okay, I you know, I gave my honest take.
But a lot of people wanted just a fighter. They
were like, I'm tired of the book. Like you're a democrat,
let's go. We need tough democrats. I like the fact
that you're a comedian. I like, we need something we
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need we need people.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Who will have you thought about rolling up on your
opponents in the race, like Rocky yes Lang.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yes, yes, yes, that's it, Yes, yes I have Hey, Hey,
why don't you give me a shot to bake me
blubber lang as a debate?
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Me bro.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Showing up at colleges.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Uh, just to have a debate like it was Charlie
Kirk or something.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Uh. But but what I have seen in the in
the meetings that I've been to so far is that
I think especially the higher knowledge voters that show up.
They know that it's a They know that you are
running for national office. So of course there's how will
you get more money to our district? How will you
do these things? And there are local issues that I
(55:57):
am like briefed on, you know, and I go, so
come from the like I'm a renter, Like I could
represent the renters. I think everybody else seems.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
To the rent is too damn huh.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yes, it is okay that dude walks, so mom, Donnie
could run dude.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Right, But it's but there is like I think, it's
how can you affect national issues to help locally? So
I think the people at least that I'm seeing understand
that it's not a you know, they understand the difference
between what local politicians do and what what national politicians do.
But national politicians can you know. It's the money. It's
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how much money can you get for our district? Is
like the blunt sort of local aspect of it. The
other stuff is the kind of national The party is
a little weaker, and I want to make the case
that we can send somebody who can who can who
can do both, who can do both.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well, Look, man, we wish you nothing but luck obviously
keep us updated on the progress.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Obviously welcome.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Ringlight really is hiding the bags under my eyes. I am.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
I just thought you put the ring light on because
you're like, listen, I need these votes.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, the lighter I look the better in this district.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Okay, I went out, I met the grateful dead conservatives
and I need some help. Okay, I need to look
less baby killer more of a diller. JL tell them
where to go to donate and the support and to
raise the word and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Thank you so much. Yes, Uh, you go to j
L for NJ dot com, just the word for but
I think if you put the number four also, so
j L four NJ dot com is information where you
can sign up. There are donation links, but if you
just want to go right to the donation link, it's uh,
donate to the number two or the word t o
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donate to j L dot com. And every donation counts.
And if you've got you know, Jersey people, if you
happen to be in the district, you know, those count
extra because then that's that's your local that's not just
how much money, but that's like showing showing local support
as well. So this is going to be a two
month sprint. It's going to be exhausting. But I just
if I can just get in the conversation beyond hey,
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you're the comedian guy who's running. I really think I can.
I can do some things like I don't. I wouldn't
be asking people. I've always been conservative in my asks
because I want to give people what they what they're
paying for. And so I'm asking a little bit on
faith to say, get me in the conversation. And I can,
(58:27):
really I can shake things up because I'm a one
of one in this in this contest, and and uh,
you know, I think it's I think it's worth it's worth,
it's worth a shot. So I hope people will will
take a chance.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
And I just donated right now we're talking.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Good luck to you out there, brother, I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Are watch your J L Gold watches on the way.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I'm expecting some favors in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
I need these podcasts regulations to kick in.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay, we got too many people with MIC's out here.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
But I'm no tips, no tips for black guys who tip,
no tax on black guy.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
I'm moving districts tonight and and like comedy wise, are
there still stand up dates for people to come see you?
Speaker 2 (59:22):
As you know?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
And that's the thing I need to tell you. I
I haven't. I emailed he was on vacation, but I
emailed Charlotte that I said, thank you for giving me
the spot. I just have to I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
I was gonna say, how can you do both?
Speaker 3 (59:35):
And I wanted to. And I'm paying several deposits in
Toronto because of my late cancel for that with those.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
It's it.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
But it's just there's just no way, like if I
if people are donating to me, people are taking time
to donate, Like.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Any you looking up and you went Toronto doing stand up?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
They might fill away? Yeah, I see Trump.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
I love Toronto. I feel like I should be somewhere
else straight and I love donuts in Canada. Thank you,
thank you. Yeah. I just think it's uh, those are
golden opportunities. Those are I need to start planning events
and meeting guys and shaking hands and calling donors. And
if people have already you know, given, I've already made
(01:00:19):
some some nice amount for a nobody who hasn't made
the hard ask of right and that's and if you
the money is an act of faith, and I assume
reward that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I assume you have to plan as if, hey, I'm
in this thing to win it until like until you're
not basically like right, like, so you can't be like,
I don't know, maybe by the end of December, I
can be doing gigss Like.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
To plan as if this thing is going to keep
progressing and now I'm gonna have to be in this fight.
So I think that's a tremendous sacrifice to make. I
know you would say, no, it's not. It's just my
comedy career and it was never that great. But I
disagree because I feel like when it's it's like when
you got something is and you got to give it
up and you used to have an abundance. That's that
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means something as opposed to like if you were just like,
I'll just get those gigs back and we know how
how places hold grudges.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeahline MSG next year.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah exactly, we know we got there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
There's there's comedy clubs that that didn't want to call
you back. I think that one club only called you
back because they heard you were running.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
They was like, we gotta get this guy off the ballot.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
We were he said some Manta trump ship one time,
and we got to make sure he's not a voice.
Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
But look, and you know what, the jail jinks they'll
lose the tape of the record where it won't he
be right, Yo, won't count anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
So the train, the train was gonna derail all the
way to don't even. You saved yourself headache, It got
your cover, but you saved Lauren's life. All right, man,
Well good luck, get out, get out there in the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Make sure y'all support Jail Coven.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Follow them on social media's jail comedy jail Van.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You might be jail politics at some point. Uh, this
thing keeps going And yeah, man, we're rooting for you,
We support you, and we love you.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Until next time, I love you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I love you too.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Bye.
I listen to the black Gyo Tips podcast because Rod
and Karen. Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackoutis Podcast.
I'm your host, Rod, joined us always by my co host,
and we're not alone. You have a special guest. You
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may know him as a friend of the show, may
know him as a stand up comedian, writer, actor. Uh,
but I know this man as a politician, a person
who was running for the Democratic establishment. Now the guy
we know him as Jail Covin friend of the show
(00:43):
and now wants to be your congress person if you
live in a certain district of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
A lot is going on a lot. It's this is
kind of a perfect Thanks for having me on this
is This is kind of the perfect fight for somebody
like me. Uh. It takes perseverance, It takes wanting to
fight the system, It takes caring about people, and it
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takes expecting to take a big.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
L I can see it.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Like, listen, I feel I was thinking today, like what
if comedy has been you know, just your to set
up for the training ground, you know, much in the
way that that Daniels didn't understand wax On wax Off
like he was.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Just like this some bullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But then when it was time to hop into the
ring against Johnny, all of a sudden, wax On wax
Off made a lot of sense. I feel like you
having to get five hundred signatures is the ultimate bringer show,
the ultimate barking. You were basically barking on the side
of the road, like, hey, uh, y'all, y'all like y'all
(01:57):
like politics, y'all, y'all want to come to a politician show.
Jerry Seinfeld not gonna be there, but I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Sign this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it was this experience. It's a baptism by fire.
And I think New Jersey politics has like a particular
reputation because you know, in other parts of the country
it'll be like he's a fisherman who just said he
was tired of the establishment, and now he's polling at
thirty nine percent. And with us, this is like basically
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a you know, a suburb of New York, this district,
and so it's a big media market. It's a lot
of heavy hitters, a lot of experienced people in different fields,
whether it's local politics, national politics, or activism. And you know,
my argument in a broad sense for this is you know,
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the main leaders in this candidacy are a sort of
local machine politician, you know, who's bided his time and
has been endorsed by a lot of the power people,
and maybe isn't somebody that will inspire or or help
help because I think there's two things you have to
be concerned. Of course, with local politics, you're writing for Congress.
And if Congress work the way it's supposed to, you know,
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the people are supposed to be in charge. That's the
branch of government where you're supposed to be most responsive
to your district. That's why you can have a Marjorie
Taylor Green for all all the problems that causes us.
Each community gets their say. So it's very important that
that the congress person be first and foremost focused on
their district. But what we have now is a Congress,
especially in Republican hands, that has kind of given up
(03:36):
all of their power. So it's what use is it
having a congress person who's responsive to you if the
whole body isn't even doing what the founders sort of
intended at the most base level. So I think there's
a component of yes, must be responsive to the to
the locals, and you know my answer to that is, yes,
(03:56):
I may not be a twenty year congress person, but
I don't view this as like my natural stepping stone
or my birthright. So you tell me what you want,
and I have my red lines, I have my conscience,
I have my own plans and ideas. But first and foremost,
I'm going there as your messenger, not as I'm not
running for president. Like you know, you have some people
who it's like I'm going to do this, this, that,
(04:17):
and it's like, you tell me what you want, and
I'll tell you what I believe in and who I am,
and if these things mesh, then we might have a
good arrangement. Right, But there is a component now of
every you know, they also to say all politics is local.
We're at a point now where like also all politics
is national? Yes, And is there somebody in this race
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who cannot just be a hey I got propped up
by the local system, or hey, I'm a fighter because
I'm part of the Bernie the Bernie movement, and I'm
just as concerned with fighting with Democrats as I am
fighting the opposition, because I feel like at this point
in time, I mean, this is I mean, I made
(05:00):
this analogy with you before it's the end of Game
of Thrones. It's like, are you serce, are you still
going to be fighting for your own thing? Are you
just going to be like this is too big, We'll
fight our intra party battles later. We have to find
a unified voice. And as the person with the biggest
social media following, that's the one thing I can hang
my hat on in the race. That's not nothing because
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I'm not arguing that I'm going to be telling jokes.
I'm arguing that my usage of media and communications is
a value and an asset in politics today. You know me,
in a perfect world, this shit wouldn't matter, but it does.
You run for office in the country you have, not
the country you think you wish it might have been
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in a perfect world. And so that's kind of my
broad case. I have issues that I obviously care about,
but the broad case for me is.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
That, yeah, I think also, like we watched this happen
with I'd Say, Mom, Donnie AOC, Margie Taylor Green, the
online presence kind of trickles down into the local presence, right,
Like it's like, oh, I sell this person on my
TikTok oh I saw this. I saw a clip of
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their and I'm you know, and I'm the reason I'm
bringing up Martie Taylor Green too, is like it's kind
of a political with that, Like fame and celebrity and
following and social media charisma and all that stuff is
kind of a political where it's just like, Oh, that's
a person that I know, and there's something in the
human psyche that's just happy to have somebody that's a
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celebrity in a way representing them. Even if the message
is the exact same as the next candidate, it's like, well, yeah,
but this guy's going to get that word out there
because look at what he's been able to do through
social media. Now, when it comes to like getting the signatures,
though there's no online cheat code for that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You got to go out and get that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What was that experience like And how long did you
have and how many signatures did you get to get
on the ballot?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We had? We had ten days. It was over Thanksgiving week,
so it included you know, days like Thanksgiving. I got
exactly zero signatures, as you might imagine, so I really
had nine days. We ended up getting six hundred and
nineteen signatures. Which was the lowest in the field. But
I can say firsthand I witnessed people cheating and there
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was one experience where they didn't know yet. I think
that I was that they were showing up to a
show I was doing, Like, what are the odds a
comedian on this show will be running for this office?
Pretty low?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, pretty low?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And you know they were getting I witnessed multiple candidates
skirting the rules, and to me, I know, people will
sometimes think, you know, the comedian, who's taking him seriously.
I'm also been a lawyer. I'm also a highly ethical person,
right and I'm not if I'm I did comedy the
right way, and you could argue I've had some wins,
but overall we had a losing record. I think in comedy,
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you didn't tak no, you did not I did not cheat,
I did not set.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
All your pars. You didn't do a major trade.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It was it was an ethical tank. Like how the
Horness get injured every year?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yes, you like, we're injured, so I guess we're gonna
take these AELs.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I am. I am the the LaMelo Canipple. But I
I thought to myself, I was like, I'm I'm getting
into this because I think I have something to offer
and I don't do like I would. I would rather
lose get zero votes than than or not qualify then
(08:38):
then take a shortcut, like how do you start a
political career on like a dirty note? It would be
would be my thing. So the first people I went
out with and and to be honest, I I got
like half of the city. Now I got like thirty
five percent of the signatures. Friends and some fans just
took petitions, like one one guy, Billy, was a teacher
(08:58):
at a local school. He's not even in the but
he got like seventeen teachers who live in the district
to sign it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
A friend of mine from college and law school got
like seventy six signatures in his town.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because these are people who kind of know me, believe
in me, want to see me in this race. But
also I think got a little motivated by how tough
a barrier they made it for people to enter. I
felt like it was a little like five hundred signatures
was tough. Over that week was especially tough. And as
somebody who I'm joking with, one of the lines I
(09:32):
sort of joke with is a lot of all the
candidates want to say we're grassroots, we're grassroots. It's like,
and I learned that lesson from comedy. Everybody would say
I did it myself, This is a DIY special, this
is all me. And it's like, well, but you do
have an agent, and you do have like a national
show with somebody that you do, and you do have
a manager, and like you got to a place where
(09:54):
you could then do it yourself, but you're not really
doing it yourself. So I said, my campaign is I
guess dirt base. If these are grassroots, I'm I'm soil.
My campaign is soil.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Alexots yes.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
To Covan, but yeah, it's it's betting. The Stagings was
the first people we went out with, and Laura was
out with me several times and and I joked on
Rain on your parade, I said, it takes a real
scumbag to be a comedian or a politician, right, because
you end up bringing these like this work and this
emotional burden into the relationship when you're doing something so
(10:35):
personal and so tough, and you know, I I recognize
that for any flaws I have, I am deeply touched
by anybody, including my girlfriend who you know, has like
a moral obligation to support me. I guess, like anybody
who who is out there. It is very touching and
at my level, oddly enough, it's like my comedy. You
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you have more of a connection because you don't have
some army of like paid professionals and volunteers and staff
who are like all thinking you're the horse that's gonna
get They want to give me a shot.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
They're not doing this because they think I'll win. They
hope i'll win, they hope I can pull off a miracle.
But they're doing this just to give me a shot.
And that's very touching and and and profound in a way.
And so the first people we go up to Laura
and I the night the day the petitions were available, legally,
I should say, I.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We go to this theater in Montclair. There was a concert.
It was like a laser light show, like Grateful Dead
type concert. So she was like, it's probably going to
be liberals, Like, it'll probably be like liberal people who
go to this concert, right, I go, Okay, let's try.
Now I get there. It's all white. That doesn't mean
it's not liberals. It's a it's a you know, the
district is majority white, majority Democratic, but I just had
(11:51):
a feeling, you know, It's like, I feel like you
can judge a Maga book by a Maga cover.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I walk up to these three people and I say, hey, uh,
just just curious. So you guys happen to be registered
Democrats in the district, and the question I got from
one of them was liberal or conservative? And I was like, okay, well,
I know already where this is going because I just
said Democratic. So I said, well, I'm running for the
Democratic primary. And the second guy in the group of
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three said, yeah, I don't vote for baby killers. And
I said, well that's okay, because I haven't killed any babies.
I just said, all.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Right, he said, I said, I don't vote for baby killers.
I vote for pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay. It's a big difference, and Megan Kelly know the difference.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Between a nine and a fifteen year old, but yes,
that was it was like, and I thought to myself,
I was like, sir, I don't think you've ever done
anything pro life in your life, Like you don't say
I didn't say this. This is the lesson I learned
when you have a clipboard. It's like you're wearing a
sign that says I'm a bitch.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah kick me. You can.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You can talk to me like you wouldn't talk to
another person or a guy who looks like a retired
WWF wrestler. Yeah, you can talk to because and that's
a that's an interesting lesson where it's like, oh, I'm
trying to do something positive, right, so feel free to
insult me.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And and you're how tall again?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Six seven two ninety though I've lost like fifteen pounds
in two weeks because I'm not eating.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, I wasn't gonna talk about your way. You know
that isn't either here nor there. But I just want
to point out your six seven right. And I'm sure
he was like, hey, I don't both of no, right,
It's like, uh, that's only because of the power to clipboard.
It's almost like being online on social media tonight.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It's kryptonite for me, right, it does the reverse for them.
It makes them supermans.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I'm like, oh, actually, now that you need something.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, And I joked on I said that like
when I approach people, I start to feel like Ben
Stiller and Happy Gilmour, like hey, mayor are you a
Democratic voter?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is that my voice?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Going to do some food? I have a moment of
your time. That's why I say something rude. It's like,
how about I give you a cup of shut the
hell up to you?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, well, now your fingers are gonna be hurting alone
with your face right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But it's but you know, most what I what I've said,
and I mean it is that for every eight people
who react either rudely or awkwardly, like there's a lot
of like awkward like I said something very strange to people.
You know, it's that's alarming in and of itself, but
you'd get a good conversation or somebody who'd give you
the time of day, and that recharges you and you
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feel like, hey, I you know sometimes people wouldn't even
sign up. And I said on Karen Hunter's show, you
know she she came out to my Starbucks for an
hour just to hang out and to try and get
a few people to show up. And one or two
people came up, came and could sign, and then they
were like half a dozen people who showed up who
couldn't sign but were trying. And you just said even
that it felt good. That effort and that reach out
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was worth signatures to me because it gave me a
little bit of extra emotional boost because this is it
was a very and I will say this, the comedy
experience prepped me for this, because it's very lonely doing this,
you know, maybe not for some of the other candidates.
For me, it felt very lonely and very cold because
You're standing outside all day in cold weather and I'm
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not in like a parka because i want people to
see me and not look like a snowman when they
meet me, and you know, so it's it was. It
was physically intense and and a little emotionally draining, but
we got there and I just felt complete gratitude. I
didn't feel like, yeah, I did it. I really felt
like we did this. You guys helped me so much
(15:46):
and were like believed in me and just wanted me
to have an opportunity, and that that was that was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It seemed like you kind of did it the way
that you know, the story of politics is told. You know, oh, yeah,
you just one man wants to change his town and
you get involved and you get you go out and
you meet people and yeah, much like comedy. When you
get involved, you see like, wait, no, motherfuckers get signatures beforehand.
(16:13):
They got a whole team. Uh you know, they got
they got these ties of people, phone banking. What would
it take for you to get a team of people? Like,
is that a thing that you're aspiring to have or
you're going to try to go you know, grassroots solo
all the way we're got.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I mean, I have I have if if if my
team includes my website guy of almost twenty years, okay,
who built a website in about three the website I have,
which is really nice. Uh he built it in about
three days of the non stop work. Damn. I have
a campaign manager and I have two friends in d
(16:52):
C who are like heavily advising me. That's it. That's
that's the team. It's it's literally, you know, an a team.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is that something?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is that something you want?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Like that?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Like that's just keeping lean and mean? Are is this
something where you look around these other candidates like, okay,
how do I get the apparatus you have so that
I can you know, not have to do so much
by myself?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Right? I think I think the key and here's you know,
the first ask of the black guy who tips fan,
I think away brother raising money because this is such
a shortened experience, like it's we have. We have two
months till the primary. Okay, so raising money allows your
hire people, allows you to.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Look man having the tip shape.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Go ahead, brother, raise that money.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Ask that plate till the brother jail pass around.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It is a like the money sends a message. And
and there are people I won't be able to compete
with in this race. There are people who have a mass,
like you know, they came into this race with like
four hundred thousand dollars ready to go right. But the
more money I get just to just so it appears
viable and will allow us to make the ad I
want to make, get like a mailer or two to
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to targeted homes, because that's that's an expensive, relatively expensive operation.
Every donation counts Like if if every one of my fans,
and this will make you laugh, because we already once
I say every one of my fans to do anything.
If I said every one of my fans, if they
could just ignore my work, you'd be like, I think
they can do it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I think they can.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We got we got this, We got even we have
been practicing.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
We have been waiting for this moment.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But if I said every one of my fans, every
one of your fans that could, that is able because
I know the trust me. It's but everyone who could
gave ten bucks. Obviously if you can give it more more,
but every you know, then we'd have a big chunk
of change for this Like initial this is it's like
a startup, and everybody says, like I just took a
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million dollar loan from my parents and created this billion
dollar company. Now that doesn't mean you didn't do work,
has an idea, et cetera. But when you tell somebody
who is locked out of that initial burst, it doesn't
matter what your idea is. In the cases, and this
is an example of like, if I can get to
X dollars just for this, like next be pre Christmas,
(19:19):
pre Christmas, get to a certain amount where I can
make an ad, get a mail or out, that may
be enough to shift and get me in the conversation.
Because right now I'm in the conversation as a novelty,
not as you know. I know the few events I've
been to so far, people come up to me after
and they say, if you don't win this which I
know it's you know, we both know is not likely
at this point because you're a dark horse, underdog candidate.
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We want you to stay involved because we see that
you are somebody with passion, with with with communication skills,
with a desire to strengthen the Democratic Party in a
way that these other candidates don't represent. You know, everybody
always wants John Stewart, Stephen Colbert to get involved. They're
not getting involved, right and all these other peop people
who talk on politics, they're not leaving their their ten
(20:02):
million dollar patreons exactly actually do something. I'm in a
sort of weirdly sweet spot where it's like I've built
up enough of a name, but I actually care more
about this than I do about the jokes that mock
Trump after the fact, right, I care more about trying
to do something at this point preemptive and helpful and
so money and like signing up for you know, at
(20:25):
my website just for updates and being able to share
the website if you know people in Jersey say, you
might want to check this guy out, but right now
adding you know, getting people to sign up for the
website just for updates and to build a list and
then any donation, like if anybody was a Patreon subscriber,
anybody ever tipped a YouTube video, anybody ever bought a
ticket to see me. Pretend like I'm coming to your
(20:46):
town and the tickets are twenty bucks, right, and you're
you're not you're Rod fans who are fans of mine.
You're you're Karen fans who are fans of mine. You're
not my fans, right, you are the good fans who
have them and love me as by my relationships them.
You would be at that show. And this is real.
This is not a gimmick, This is not this is
I really believe that what I can bring to the
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table can help and I want to be in it.
It's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
To give money.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yes, oh yeah, good, good good. My my manager would
be very mad. I haven't already said that donate donate
to the number two or t o either one, but
donate to j L dot com and uh, volunteers. I
think if you go to the webs if you send
your email and you can contact you can contact the
(21:37):
the through US and just send an email to the
campaign like I, uh, you know, I'd like to volunteer
or help if you could keep me on a list
for when you know there's a call to action. My
campaign manager will collect those those signatures not signatures, those
those emails and sort of, you know, put them together
for for when there's a call to action.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ay j L.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What is yes?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
What is it between what you thought you was getting
into in the reality of it? Because you know it
once you started, you know, you have all these ideas
and all that stuff, and then you get into it
and you realize it's something completely different. Like what was
the two biggest difference between what you thought in the
reality of it?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It's the feeling. I think it's like they tell you,
I wasn't let astray, Like man, when you get in,
it's gonna be like, like awesome, and it's got no
people are like it's a grind, and when you get
those signatures, it will become more of a grind. But
there is being told about it and there's experiencing.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's it's I think for me, the difficulty is there's
only so many days before February fifth, and do you
reach enough people both changing people's minds Because a lot
of these candidates come with locked in bases already. They
come from a political community, they come from like a
(22:59):
lot of the candidates have their own packs, their own
like Bernie Sanders endorsed a woman who worked for him.
That's a big right get when you're running in that
kind of outsider TM lane if I can, if I
can quote Rod in terms of using the TM and
then there's a lot of deeply inside candidates and with
this amount of time, our strategy has to be a
(23:21):
hybrid of who can we convince that is leaning not
as locked in, but is leaning somewhere, but that you
need to send someone different in twenty twenty five to
fight for you. You need somebody with it, with a little
bit of a different skill set, a little bit different energy.
Because if you want me to come with a presidential platform,
you know that's all. That's all great, and that's good,
(23:43):
but you need a heat seeking missile. You need somebody
who can broaden the party but also be a forceful
voice for what you want, right And.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So I think also, I think that energy is out
there now. I think when you look at I forgure
get the ladies' names, but those two blonde women who
are podcasters who like cussed.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Out rome of my Emmanuel.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
There's a type of energy that I don't think is
being served by the Democratic Party, that I don't think
is being served even by these outsider voices that are
like both parties are bad, and there's this voice of like, no,
I'm proud of the accomplishments and the aims and the
goals of the Democratic Party. I'm not running from this.
I'm not afraid of this. I don't think it's wrong
(24:29):
to want the things that I want, and I'm forcefully
saying these are the right things, as opposed to what
I believe is a constant apology from the Democratic Party
that in large and I think it leads to, honestly,
instead of a rallying cry, it leads to like more like,
let's just be critical.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What they're really inviting is critiques.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What they want to hear is feedback for what they're
doing wrong, as opposed to like what I think rallies
people is a strong Sometimes it's a strong like no, no,
this is the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We should just get behind this.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Like it doesn't mean you can't improve or whatever, but like, uh,
instead of being like you didn't get every student loan. Uh,
and then you turn and go, well, yeah, we're gonna
try to get every student. We're sorry about that, instead
of being like, no, we got the majority of student loans,
like people were paying bills and then they don't you know,
housing where you.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Could say if you said with student loans, just to
leave that. It's like, well, Biden tried, he came, he tried,
and the Supreme Court that wouldn't have been like this
if Hillary Clinton was president, right shut it down. Yes,
so and nobody. It's almost like one of those things
where democrats, as we've discussed, have to do this thing
like what but you don't don't lecture the voters, teach
(25:46):
them about democracy, but cowtow to their every whim and don't.
And to me, it's you know, at this point, like
my argument and I made this on your show maybe
maybe the last time I was on is democrats, and
I've said this. Somebody at the at a town hall
said to me, I've never heard it put that way.
That was very good where I said, we need democrats
(26:08):
who are going to engage people, but can also begin
a long march towards not undoing what Trump did. And
we have to take a page out of the Republican playbook,
which is we want Tom Brady throwing an eighty yard
touchdown pass to Randy moss Yay, what we did it,
Medicare for all. We did it. We got the We
(26:29):
got the big, unbelievable, tremendous victory that we all think
is right, and we got it. I look at it,
and I say, I've broken down certain things where I say, like,
elder care is an area of deep importance to me
and to like a lot of my friends as their
parents are getting older. I've seen it with my own parents.
I say, what if we took that Bernie energy and
either put it into a public option instead of medicare.
(26:52):
Let's let's mobilize for the public option, or let's mobilize
for a Japanese style in insurance system for our elders
that is comprehensive so that there they they age with
dignity and their kids don't go emotionally or financially bankrupt
right with the stress. What if we took that energy
(27:13):
and said, you know what, let's fight like hell to
pick up eight yards on this play right, and then
celebrate the shit out of that pick up the way
the Republicans every time some trans kid gets banned from
a little league baseball game. It's on Fox News and
they're going, look at what we're fighting for. Yes, we
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treat everything but the biggest victories as a piece of shit.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Right jail, And it's memoralizing it, and it makes people
feel like what's the point, And it's like you can't
complain about everything. It's like, you know, when you watch
any sports, particularly football, you have four times to make
ten yards. You don't get all ten yards you first
tried most of the time.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's very ironic Karen saying this because the way Karen
watches sports, which we watch a lot of sports together.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that every no it's not that, it's when we go.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
To the basketball game we watch football, every play should
be a positive play, as if the other team is
not even out there, as if like why didn't we
score the basket every time? You know, And I rationally
try to tell her like, hey, you know, the other
team is good too, and they are attempting to stop
us from doing things, and sometimes players fuck up like
(28:32):
it happens, like she says famously, free throws are free points.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They are, She's correct, and that they should be.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But she also says as a person that's never run
forty minutes in a row and then tried to shoot
a free throw.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So when we are watching sports, she becomes the Democratic nasay,
she is the person that's.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like, why didn't body get the Green New Deal? Immediately?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Different? But in politics rooting for Biden, I'm not and
give up.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But those people also think that too, and they didn't.
They give up and go home, and they'd be like,
I'm never watching this team again.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I'm saying back next week, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Biden gave us. Biden gave us big victories, and then
we didn't celebrate them. We trashed him, We trashed his administration.
And then Trump is undoing the things that we never
even highlighted to begin with.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, yeah, every day you're finding a new error program
that is just gone.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But one of the things I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Though, is have you thought about, like, what are the
rules around money in this campaign?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because I know the rules very different districts and stuff,
So what are the rules to money? Is there limit
on who, how many people can donate, how much a
person can donate?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Like how does that work?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
If I'm not mistaken, it's I think it's I want
to say the max is like five thousand. I was like, uh,
I think, and of course that's you know, yeah, I'm
asking for small donations from lots of people or versus
big donations from a few.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
But if you could get.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Americans, are you gonna turn it down? Are you gonna
be like, I'm sorry, that's too big a donation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Oh no, no, no, because I'm not taking any like
organized pack money. So it's like yeah, And I joked
on another show, uh the other day, I said, and
if you are you have to be American to donate,
that's it. You could even live in a foreign country.
If you're American, you can donate. If you are not American,
you can't donate. And I said, and I guess now
(30:27):
that Trump is like pardoning narco terrorists. I guess if
you're a horrible criminal, but you're American, you can donate
to my campaign. And I'm just I'm just trying to
be like, played by the rules as I see them.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think, Uh, I think, uh is it Henry Kuehler
is how he says his name. The I think he
may have fucked it up for everybody because he got
pardoned by Trump and then announced that he's gonna run
for office again, but as a Democrat still, and then
Trump got mad. It was like that's it. No more
missed the nice guy. And I'm like, well fuck, maybe
(30:59):
that was how jail could get in. Was he could,
you know, finesse the system and then run.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
No, no, no, no Trump. I'm actually we're still on
the same side. I'm just going in as a d right.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It is. It is funny though that when you look
at Trump, it's like his only bipartisan issue is corruption.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
He's like, I will I don't see party lines when
I see somebody abusing our system for self gain.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Right, He's like, listen, what side you on? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I don't care if you're black, white, purple, if you
a corrupt, or you a pedophile, I got you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, that's covered. We need to come together as America.
The criminals. What about what.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
About like some unorthodox like type of people to get
money from? You know, have you looked around. I mean
you're in New Jersey. I've seen sopranos.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You thought about any of those bars? You know, see
see what you can do.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe you can make the change the laws for strip
clubs up there or something.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
For him, maybe bought a being for j L.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Woke up this one.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's this is all all all kidding aside, and I
like to I like to keep things light. But it's
like the raising money part is the part, Like it's
the one thing I'm comfortable talking to strangers. I'm comfortable
talking to people of the other side. I'm talking, I'm
comfortable arguing or debating with people, but asking for money
(32:25):
it's still it's like an it's like an uncomfortable thing
for me.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Well, that's what you really struggled in your comedy career too,
like that, like this this is a through line for
life for you.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Because I just I just want people. I want people
to I want people to donate. But it's it's it
is one of those and they they'll they'll laugh and say,
well you better get comfortable doing it. Yeah, And and
it is one of those things where you say, on
a personal level, you're like, I wish elections weren't weren't
(32:57):
like this this money grab telethon, but they are, and
you just I just hope that I can people can
sort of see what I'm selling.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, what sucks is that we need the people who
are the most comfortable being like money, money, money about
the ship are obviously the people that we are the
most worried about when it kills.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, and if you don't like fundraising you just do
the job, then you can't do the job, yes, Zach bo,
you might not be the type of person we want doing.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The job exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So like I wish, we do need to find a
hybrid that can turn it on and be like, hey man,
when it comes to the money part, I have to
be comfortable with that because I can't serve you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
In a in not a capectity.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I think Mom Donnie was a great example to a
lot of people because the fervor behind him was you know,
the money, boom boom boom, and then he's making as
like he's putting out videos like that's we got the money,
like we made, we made the money, made our goals.
This is enough money to run for mayor if you
want to help, now get feet on the street, volunteer
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like this is a different removing the campaign. And I
thought that was really endearing too, because a lot of
people I believe who are who understand money is a
demand of the job, like you can't be a politician
in America and went office with no money. But it's
refreshing to have a politician be like, oh no, I
(34:27):
was it. You know, we're not gonna keep sending you
text messages like you know, you know Senator Shoeing needs
your help, or you know they kidnapped NESI Putlosa's baby.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You got ten dollars, we can get out.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It has slowed down a little bit, but they still
come in.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's a little scary. So what about crypto?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Have you thought about maybe crypto some bribes, I don't know,
maybe some sort of like you know, shady like, oh,
you're buying a watch, the watch costs a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
People.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I've had a few. I mean, I've had a few
foreign people. Not to quote Stringer Bell from the wire,
but I've had a few people basically just write to
me on social media like, is there any way a
foreign fan can circumvent and donate jumbo what? I was like,
first of all, no, what, and why, like A no,
(35:25):
that's just no, right, and also this is public, right. Yeah,
I've had people send I've had a couple of people
send me private messages and they were kind of joking.
They're like, what if somebody like bought a bunch of
cameos from you and left you generous tips? And I said,
I said, don't even joke about it, Like I'm getting
cameo orders still, but I don't want to see anything
out of the ordinary, right, Yeah, I just once again,
(35:47):
it's like I'm gonna lose fairly like on my terms,
like I'm not and I don't you know, if if
I don't want to say, like if I were like
some twenty year politicians and this was like the last
stop of my career, I still wouldn't do it. But
at least then I'd be like, well, I know why
that dude was corrupt. He was like, this is all
(36:07):
I got me. It is my first race.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's also it's also interesting too because like the Elon
Musk runs Twitter, I feel like at any point the
d m s could be exposed for all of us.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Like I feel like, turned out the jail was very corrupt,
putting him. We're going to release the jail files today.
What he was doing, Like basically his might be the
most corrupt politician. And this has nothing this this has
(36:42):
nothing to do with the fact that he was doing
a very nasty impression of me, you know, about corruption
and getting it.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Did you see the video of him on Rogan trying
to tell us that Rock is a good idea for
Thanksgiving is to have Rock roast your family.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
He's like, it's the funniest thing ever. It's I'm gonna
pull it up. But it was so It was so
interesting because there's a thing that is missing in a
person like Elon Musk what he wants to be liked,
and he really wants to be funny.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yes, Like I don't know, he's not. He's terrible at both.
People don't like you and you're not funny.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I don't know why he wants that exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
What I do feel like you would represent a a
certain type of threat to his ego if you're like,
if you're on his radar, I feel like you being
funny doing the impression of him. Uh, when it's clearly
something he wants to be Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know, money can't buy It can buy you people
who will laugh at you, but it can't buy you humor.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
It really agree, either you're funny or you're not right.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, I will say this. I just have to say
without revealing anything. You know, in my legal career, I've
seen you know, correspondence among millionaires and billionaires, and man,
do billionaires get treated differently? Like you can see it
in you can see it in correspondence where it's just
like fawning over the most insignificant thing, like, my god,
(38:25):
it was an incredible honor. You're such great conversation. Everything is,
and it's I would hate to It's like when Seinfeld
did his documentary many like twenty three years ago or something,
and he would just get up on stage that is
like the height of his powers. Just after Seinfeld and
he would get up on stage and they just be
(38:46):
laughing at everything he said. And you could tell it
irked him because it was like, yeah, but I got
I gotta learn if this is good, right, I gotta
know if this is good. So he cared about the
objective truth of his jokes being funny or not. And
I feel like a lot of these billionaires they drink that.
I would hate that. I would be like, do you
think I'm funny? Right? Like like like watch this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm gonna put this clip up real quick, the well,
look at this, this is crazy?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Uh, how bad.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
This is let's try unhinged.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh this is an n hingebone.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Okay, heyah, oh my god, Elon Fresh, hell, are you
stirring up today?
Speaker 7 (39:28):
I'm here, I'm here in Joe Rogan's studio, and we're
having a conversation about how crazy the news is.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Pull her up to the microphone.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Okay, and we're pulling you up to the microphone. People
can hear you?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Hilarious?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh fantastic?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Now I can yell into the void about how the
news is a total dumpster fire. It is.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Like, oh, that's bad, that's real. Bad.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Is probably worth like a hundred million, right, it's still
more is Rogan to Musk in terms of finances, and
so there's still that Oh man, now he might you
could say he's being a gracious host, but he likes
Elon like they're boys, and it's just like.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But also, Joe Rogan is missing.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Joe Rogan is a guy who called like Mark Marin
a hack and people calling people calling professional comedians unfunny
because they don't agree with like going to Saudi Arabia
or something. Right, this guy is not Elon Musk is
not cracking Joe Rogan. But Joe Rogan is letting himself
appear to be cracked up. And one of the things
(40:45):
I thought was funny in a different clip is Elon
Musk is like, well, you know, it's uh, it's so funny,
it's so a hinged.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Crock is so good.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And then Joe Rogan keeps saying, like five times in
a row like yeah, and it just keeps getting better
and it's just good. And that's the thing. I keep thinking,
it's gonna keep getting better. And I was like, you
know what that is code for? He's really saying it
sucks right now.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
What you're really saying is it's not good now. But
it's just the promise of AI is that it will
be good one day. And that's what's really fascinating is
that it won't suck eventually. For you to waste three
minutes on my show doing this hacky bullshit that's not funny,
and me having to pretend that it is gonna fucking
sell out.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
He was looking like, I wouldn't even let you be
my opening act. What is this?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Are they gonna be like like debates and stuff in
this race that you're in, or is it just kind
of like you.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Run your race and then boom, it's time to vote.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It depends I think what probably the front runners are
hoping for, you know, the top three are probably hoping
people drop out people, you know, and then there's a
big question of okay, if we are if eight of
us or six of us or ten of us make
it you know past Christmas? Is there a debate scheduled?
And then you know, they can, I assume set the
(41:59):
rules for how to qualify, which is why donations, so
that you hit certain thresholds of money raised or number
of donors, and then using that money as fast as
possible to do Like I have this ad that I
wrote that'll be like a YouTube video, but you know,
we've used that the production of it would not be
too costly, but then the money would go towards like
(42:20):
get everybody in Jersey to see this video, send it
to the media, like let it, let it go viral
as we sort of poke holes at like the three
front runners and make the case for a normal, proud,
progressive democrat, progressive but not annoying, right, you know, like
kind of kind of kind of lane and then you know,
(42:42):
so so and then that gets you on the radar
of maybe undecided or people who are low propensity voters.
Maybe they go I kind of like the comedian guy,
like if you so, it's it's that's what we're I
want to say, afraid of. But that's what we're trying
to fight early is like donations, name wreck ignition, so
that if they pull something like January second, say the
(43:03):
day the one debate will be January tenth, and if
you haven't reached x dollars or x donors or x
percent in the poll, you are you're excluded. And then
you can basically probably bury your candidacy if you're not
at that point in the conversation. So that's why this
this kind of urgency now to sort of be prepared,
and like I said, when I meet people, when they
(43:25):
see me, they can see, you know, one of these
is not like the other. You know, and my credentials
as a lawyer, as a as a democrat or are
sort of solid. It's the comedian thing that maybe makes
me memorable. And then you sort of try to meet
as many people and let them know, like the comedy
stuff is a plus factor. It's not why you vote
for me alone, but those skills are why you should
(43:48):
consider me.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Is it hard to hold back from because I see
how you treat the fans that try to punch up
your jokes or punch down as we refer to. But
when you're running as a candidate, as a politician, I
feel like the punch ups are kind of the kind
of part of it, right, the idea like, oh this policy?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Have you thought about this thing?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Are you able to control the evil inside that would
that would just you know, seize on a person and
strangle the life out of them comedically?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Are you able to keep that in check?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
And well, here's and yes, yes I am. And here's
why I consider myself a comedy expert. I'm not an
expert on your town, like, uh, when I come to
your town, and and the people who show up to
these events are sort of high interest voters. They skew older,
they care, they that many of them seem to know
their stuff or at least know their concerns. So it
(44:48):
would it would be wrong of me to sort of
be like, well, no, no, no, you can't. Like it's
more like, no, I'm here to listen to you. I'm
here to make a case for myself, but listen to
you and I know this sounds like I'm doing petitician speak,
but this is the truth. This is what government is
supposed to be. You look at me as a person,
you look at my qualifications, if you think I am
worth considering. Now it's time for you to give me
(45:11):
your ideas, your concerns, and we have a conversation. I
take them in and we see what we can do.
You know, on the man on the street stuff the signatures,
that was more more alarming because you ran into a
lot more people, even in affluent areas where you respect,
like on average, i'll see more educated people, I'll see
more in tune and people. Many people were really really
(45:35):
tuned out. And it's not my place to tell them
how to live their lives. I get it some people
tune out because it's too stressful, But you can tell
kind of a tuned out because I'm tired of it
and tuned out because I never paid attention, right and yeah,
and so that was a little more frustrating, But that's
not the time to be picking fights and arguing when
(45:57):
you're trying to gather signatures. But now I think a
lot of the people I see are our concerned citizens
who in some cases will know more. They know more
about their concerns than I do. Of course, you know,
so I can't just go, uh no, you're wrong to
be worried about.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
That, right, Yeah, I do wonder what I having it because,
like Karen Hunter when I was on the show, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Somebody tells me how to write a joke, they'll catch these.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Verbal Have you thought about changing this line in your commercial?
I think it's funny because, like Karen Hunter, like will
suggest or pride to be like, maybe you know, we
need good people around, profice you should run, And I'm like,
I don't want to. And I really do think I
don't want to live a life where I can't be like, well,
(46:46):
that's stupid, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Like the other day on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
They show this older this clip of like man Trump
has really lost a lot of ground with young voters.
He had this percentage of support in February and now
it's down this small percentage in December, and I was like, yeah, well,
young people were acting stupid, Like to me, that's an
objective fact, Like if these are the things that you
(47:12):
want and then you voted for, you thought this man
would this man would bring about the progressive ideals. That
you want because you saw enough tiktoks or whatever. The
fucking reason is not my business, but I like the ability.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
To say that.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I don't think a politician should or would say something
like that, because it's probably not productive to talk about
a large swath of the potential voting.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Base as stupid everybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But I find myself in those other moments that I
actually like certain politicians. Right it's when Obama says people
cleaning the guns and bibles.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I went, yes, that is what is happening right now.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
No one wants to talk about it. Hillary Clinton, some
of this guy's voters are deplorable.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
I'm watching them be deplorable and do deplorable things. So
how do you navigate that line of like, man, because
you know, we're friends, we talk. It's weird. Politics is
so weird because there's these there's these like these invisible
lines that like in real life, if you weren't running
for office, or you weren't trying to be a politician
(48:17):
to get a vote, it's like, oh, that's the reasonable
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's frustrating, and I see why you said that.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
But as a politician, it's like you can never really
show that level of frustration what you are on with
with the people you hope to court as voters.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
And I think for me, I'm sorry, I think for me,
what's frustrating about it on the outside looking in?
Speaker 4 (48:37):
And and I know, uh, jail's on the lawd level.
Speaker 5 (48:40):
When you look at Trump, Trump goes, I don't give
fuck about your normals right like like like he says
the ship out loud. If I don't like you, I'm
putting you on the list, like he verbally says these things,
and there's no outraged, there's no backlash like like for
for most normal politicians like about to say they have
to most of.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
The he's written.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He's written the prominence based on doing the opposite of
everybody else.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yes, yes, so with everybody else.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
They have all these rules and regulations and you can't
be emotional, you can't do this, you can't piss these
people off. Whatever, and Trumps like, fuck it, I'm gonna
say it was on my chest.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah yeah, Well, I think I am trying to be
myself and knowing that my strength. You know, if I'm
trying to be one of twelve candidate who sounds the
same and within the bounds of normal politics. What I
told people at a town hall, Wow, time is blurring.
(49:34):
What's today, Sunday, Sunday, Thursday. I believe it was Thursday,
might have been Wednesday, might have been Friday. It wasn't
Friday anyway. I told them, if you've been with Trump
for ten years, we've been doing this this dance as Democrats,
where the centrist Democrats say, you know, we need to
(49:55):
we need to find a middle ground. Most people want
a middle ground, right. And what I say to that
is and once again with Joe Manchin as a good example,
even though he's no longer in Congress, Joe Mansion is
a perfect example where I say, if Joe Manchin is
the difference between Democrats controlling the Senate or not, please
give me Joe Manchin right, agreed, if we can get
fifty six Democrats get rid of the filibuster, we can say,
(50:20):
Joe Manchin, you can come on board. You can be
the sort of like moderate Republican that you kind of
want to be right, but you can have to control
different right. And we have to know the difference between
if Joe Manchin is vote fifty and the other choice
is a Republican, Please give me Joe Manchin for fifty
so we can control the power in the Senate. That
(50:40):
is a value, a huge value in and of itself,
because you see what they do when they have power.
They stifle, They don't want government to operate. But as
far as speaking truth in a plain spoken way, you know,
I say what I really believe. Now, obviously I may
phrase it differently in comedy, but I say, if you're
a Maga voter in twenty two twenty five, I don't
(51:01):
consider you part of the middle ground that I need
to seek. I consider to you on the fringe that
if this were a European country, you would be that
thirty percent marine La penn party in France that we
get scared when you approach thirty five percent of the vote,
where we say, everybody, let's get together. We have to
stop this, this anti diversity, anti democracy party. And we
(51:26):
aren't a normal functioning democracy anymore, unfortunately. And what I
think and my message to the party, you know, as
a as a rep for this county, but like I said,
for this district, but like I said, also in the
sense of all politics is local, but all politics is
now national. Also we need somebody or some people. And
(51:47):
I'm arguing not that I am the savior, but that
I can be a voice that does this. We need
people who can say, Okay, Bernie, love the passion, love
the goals. Not the biggest fan of the all or
nothing politics, Chuck Schumer, love the experience, Love that you're
(52:08):
on the side with the good guys. Don't always love
the half measures. Hey, everybody who's a Democrat, you know
what we should be doing. Let's find the middle ground
between kind of left and very left. Then we all
get on board because if we do that, we make progress.
And some people may be disillusioned. But you know what, Bernie,
(52:31):
if you actually put your back into telling your supporters
this is progress, Yes is progress, they will go, Okay, Bernie,
we trust you, we value you, We know where you
want to get, and we know this is a step
in that direction. But if it's ola gawks and Medicare
for all and that's all you keep saying, the rallies
(52:54):
will be big, the energy will be big, the legislation
will be small. And I think we need to say
and we need voices. And if I can be the
regular voice, the guy who talks like regular people who
people can listen to. Because I've shown it, I've grown
a big fan base across the political spectrum, at least
the center right to far left have all consumed what
(53:16):
I do. We need to say, we need to come
together as a family, as a party, and then come
up with a message that we all just say, fuck it,
that's our message, that's our team. And then maybe those
seventy million people who don't vote not the maggot. If
you're a ten year Trump guy, what am I? My breath,
(53:37):
my time, my energy cannot be used for you right now.
If we can get eight million of those seventy million,
we win, We win, and we crush because fifty two
percent of sixty percent of the races is a lot. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's my broad political approach is like, we need
(54:00):
people who aren't going to be consumed with I want
to even if you got to do it with tough love.
How do we bring the Democratic Party into cohesion the
way the Republican Party brings everybody to fucking heal? Now?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
What about local are you being? Are you like when
people come up to you, are they more excited by
that like broader national message or are they you know
are they just like, listen the fountain in the park
on Seventh Street. It ain't been working right, and I
just I'd be walking my dog and it's not getting
(54:36):
taken care of jail, Like what what? What are they
turned on by?
Speaker 3 (54:41):
I think still when I was getting signatures, some people
ask questions about issues, whether it was Israel or things
like that. Okay, I you know, I gave my honest take.
But a lot of people wanted just a fighter. They
were like, I'm tired of the book. Like you're a democrat,
let's go. We need tough democrats. I like the fact
that you're a comedian. I like, we need something we
(55:03):
need we need people.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Who will have you thought about rolling up on your
opponents in the race, like Rocky yes Lang.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yes, yes, yes, that's it, Yes, yes I have Hey, Hey,
why don't you give me a shot to bake me
blubber lang as a debate?
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Me bro.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Showing up at colleges.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Uh, just to have a debate like it was Charlie
Kirk or something.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Uh. But but what I have seen in the in
the meetings that I've been to so far is that
I think especially the higher knowledge voters that show up.
They know that it's a They know that you are
running for national office. So of course there's how will
you get more money to our district? How will you
do these things? And there are local issues that I
(55:57):
am like briefed on, you know, and I go, so
come from the like I'm a renter, Like I could
represent the renters. I think everybody else seems.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
To the rent is too damn huh.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yes, it is okay that dude walks, so mom, Donnie
could run dude.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Right, But it's but there is like I think, it's
how can you affect national issues to help locally? So
I think the people at least that I'm seeing understand
that it's not a you know, they understand the difference
between what local politicians do and what what national politicians do.
But national politicians can you know. It's the money. It's
(56:32):
how much money can you get for our district? Is
like the blunt sort of local aspect of it. The
other stuff is the kind of national The party is
a little weaker, and I want to make the case
that we can send somebody who can who can who
can do both, who can do both.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well, Look, man, we wish you nothing but luck obviously
keep us updated on the progress.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Obviously welcome.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Ringlight really is hiding the bags under my eyes. I am.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
I just thought you put the ring light on because
you're like, listen, I need these votes.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, the lighter I look the better in this district.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Okay, I went out, I met the grateful dead conservatives
and I need some help. Okay, I need to look
less baby killer more of a diller. JL tell them
where to go to donate and the support and to
raise the word and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
Thank you so much. Yes, Uh, you go to j
L for NJ dot com, just the word for but
I think if you put the number four also, so
j L four NJ dot com is information where you
can sign up. There are donation links, but if you
just want to go right to the donation link, it's uh,
donate to the number two or the word t o
(57:42):
donate to j L dot com. And every donation counts.
And if you've got you know, Jersey people, if you
happen to be in the district, you know, those count
extra because then that's that's your local that's not just
how much money, but that's like showing showing local support
as well. So this is going to be a two
month sprint. It's going to be exhausting. But I just
if I can just get in the conversation beyond hey,
(58:07):
you're the comedian guy who's running. I really think I can.
I can do some things like I don't. I wouldn't
be asking people. I've always been conservative in my asks
because I want to give people what they what they're
paying for. And so I'm asking a little bit on
faith to say, get me in the conversation. And I can,
(58:27):
really I can shake things up because I'm a one
of one in this in this contest, and and uh,
you know, I think it's I think it's worth it's worth,
it's worth a shot. So I hope people will will
take a chance.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
And I just donated right now we're talking.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Good luck to you out there, brother, I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Are watch your J L Gold watches on the way.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I'm expecting some favors in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
I need these podcasts regulations to kick in.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay, we got too many people with MIC's out here.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
But I'm no tips, no tips for black guys who tip,
no tax on black guy.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
I'm moving districts tonight and and like comedy wise, are
there still stand up dates for people to come see you?
Speaker 2 (59:22):
As you know?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
And that's the thing I need to tell you. I
I haven't. I emailed he was on vacation, but I
emailed Charlotte that I said, thank you for giving me
the spot. I just have to I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
I was gonna say, how can you do both?
Speaker 3 (59:35):
And I wanted to. And I'm paying several deposits in
Toronto because of my late cancel for that with those.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
It's it.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
But it's just there's just no way, like if I
if people are donating to me, people are taking time
to donate, Like.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Any you looking up and you went Toronto doing stand up?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
They might fill away? Yeah, I see Trump.
Speaker 3 (59:57):
I love Toronto. I feel like I should be somewhere
else straight and I love donuts in Canada. Thank you,
thank you. Yeah. I just think it's uh, those are
golden opportunities. Those are I need to start planning events
and meeting guys and shaking hands and calling donors. And
if people have already you know, given, I've already made
(01:00:19):
some some nice amount for a nobody who hasn't made
the hard ask of right and that's and if you
the money is an act of faith, and I assume
reward that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I assume you have to plan as if, hey, I'm
in this thing to win it until like until you're
not basically like right, like, so you can't be like,
I don't know, maybe by the end of December, I
can be doing gigss Like.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
To plan as if this thing is going to keep
progressing and now I'm gonna have to be in this fight.
So I think that's a tremendous sacrifice to make. I
know you would say, no, it's not. It's just my
comedy career and it was never that great. But I
disagree because I feel like when it's it's like when
you got something is and you got to give it
up and you used to have an abundance. That's that
(01:01:08):
means something as opposed to like if you were just like,
I'll just get those gigs back and we know how
how places hold grudges.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeahline MSG next year.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah exactly, we know we got there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
There's there's comedy clubs that that didn't want to call
you back. I think that one club only called you
back because they heard you were running.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
They was like, we gotta get this guy off the ballot.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
We were he said some Manta trump ship one time,
and we got to make sure he's not a voice.
Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
But look, and you know what, the jail jinks they'll
lose the tape of the record where it won't he
be right, Yo, won't count anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
So the train, the train was gonna derail all the
way to don't even. You saved yourself headache, It got
your cover, but you saved Lauren's life. All right, man,
Well good luck, get out, get out there in the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Make sure y'all support Jail Coven.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Follow them on social media's jail comedy jail Van.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You might be jail politics at some point. Uh, this
thing keeps going And yeah, man, we're rooting for you,
We support you, and we love you.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Until next time, I love you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I love you too.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Bye.
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