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April 4, 2024 88 mins

Heading into Final Four weekend, Bobby discusses which major underdog has a better shot to cover and talks about the games. Plus, for USC QB and national champion, Paul McDonald joins Bobby to talk about his career, why helping athletes with mental health post-playing is so important to him, and much more! One of the creators of Super Coffee, Jimmy and his fiancé are in the studio to give Bobby a gift that Jimmy stole from his brother, so Bobby is unsure how he feels about it. 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is a podcast called twenty five whist talking basketball,
and they all wear a whist so, yeah, it's too bad,
But what did you expect.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a podcast called twenty five Whistles.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Twenty wine, thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Let's go. Twenty five Whistles presented by DraftKings used the
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Stay tuned, you'll hear more about Draft Kings and all
it has to offer throughout the show DraftKings. The crown
is yours. We got a good one. We're gonna talk
some college basketball for sure. We're gonna talk to Paul McDonald, which,

(00:42):
if the name doesn't ring a belt. Initially, it's just
the fact that this dude won a national championship at
USC is a quarterback. The fact this dude is all American,
the fact that this dude was drafted. And this is
like the seventies eighties. I forget that everybody couldn't watch
all the NFL games then. Yeah, and he was like
King Dingling at USC and he's like, I'm drafted by Cleveland. Interesting.

(01:04):
I don't even know. I don't know much about the
Browns because TV was very regional and this was like
the national game. It's so that's so interesting to me.
So Paul McDonald is joining us. We also talk about
some of the stuff too, like what's happening in USC now.
But that's fun. Good get Kevin, Yeah, yeah, that's all.
I mean, most of the guest gets in case somebody

(01:25):
knows they're Kevin. But this one, I was like, I
don't know if that'll be interesting, and Kevin's like, just
trust me on this one, and it was. It was
awesome good. He was the first left handed quarterback ever
for the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yep, and I don't know if they've had one since
it was Quincy.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
He left hand. Maybe he wasn't left hand. Maybe he
was just so bad he seemed like he should have
been left handed?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Were bad times? Were those?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
We probably good times? He's good Georgia, I remember being
awesome at Georgia. He probably wasn't left hand. I don't
know why I thought that though, but yeah, we yeah that.
And then there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Kellen Moore, Keen Kellen Moore, Hey, bad times?

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Oh yeah, I forgot who played for them?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Me too?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Me too? And when you said that first, I went, no, no,
not offensive coordinator, left handed, yeah, corner, but he was
also awesome in college but super system. But I mean,
here's legit boys, stay right. Oh yeah beat Oklahoma. Yeah
said all kinds of records there. Yeah. So the other
thing is, there's a little bit of a half. The

(02:25):
controversy wasn't made by anyone but me about a jersey
that I was given as a gift, but then I
found out I was stolen. Hilarious, and I don't know
what to do. So that's happening too. All that on
the way, but now I'm talking like Seinfeld. It's also time.
What's to do with a tittle title? His name?

Speaker 6 (02:46):
Ever?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
The tittle Tattle?

Speaker 7 (02:52):
After beating LSU and the Elite Eight, does Caitlyn Clark
need to win a title to become the best female
basketball player ever?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I've seen this conversation happen on Twitter and people are
pretty adamant on both sides. I feel like this is
not to you. I know you're just get You're setting
me up to give an opinion. I feel like that's
the dumbest question in the history of questions ever.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
No offense, Kevin, I know, no.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's why I wanted to say that. But you're just
setting me up to talk about it more than you
really have this Ques, I'm just gonna leave guys. No, So, Kevin,
what do you think? Kevin?

Speaker 7 (03:28):
In my opinion, she's already the greatest I've ever seen. Yeah,
I've never been into women's basketball college basketball. I mean,
Diana Tarossi was awesome and Maya Moore was great, but
she's a whole another level.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It was the Oregon girl.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, she's played Steph in the three point shoot she
was great too. I mean, she was the original holy
crap shooter yea before Kaitlyn Clark. This is why I'm
going to say, yes, I got I got a couple
of reasons so we can. We can do stats. First
of all, Right, as far as the stats of shooting
most from the logo, she's number one. I just made
that stat up. But she has to be, has to
be on the stats of me appointment watching women's college

(04:06):
basketball and not Arkansas number one, number one. Those stats
alone put her there. Ratings NCAA women's record with twelve
point three million views on Monday night versus LSU. Not
on the network either way, it was on the ESPN, right,
wasn't on It wasn't on a traditional Big four network,
crazy like ab this. She has pierced popular culture in

(04:30):
a way that no other women's basketball player has to her.
Even if you haven't watched her, you know the name.
There have been other amazing basketball Maya Moore, I mean,
Cheryl Swoops even who There are a lot you could
say if you were going to put them one on one,
or who really was the best? I think Caitlin Clark

(04:52):
is overall the best ever because of what she's been
able to bring to the sport. If I'm matching skill sets,
that's tough for me because they didn't play against the
each other. It's like going Michael Jordan versus Wilt Chamberlain
versus they didn't play against so that we just go
Michael Jordan. He's won championships, he or he's although I
think Lebron's best ever. Honestly, to be that big and

(05:12):
do that much, I digress. Here's my Caitlin Clark thing.
You can't penalize her for not winning a championship because
it's not all even in college sports. It's not like
an NBA where there's a salary cap, where she's playing
with what's around her. That school also I was not
a basketball powerhouse. She has made I what basketball powerhouse.

(05:35):
She's the best ever, She's the biggest ever. She may
not be the most skilled. I think she's the most
skilled Chelder I've ever seen him a whole life. Yeah,
lights out and I'm just trying to avoid the well
this Rebecca Lobo could dunk. I do think Caitlin Clark
is the best ever, But I and I don't think
a championship defines her. If it were a Pro Bowl
and she had more than four years, don't want to

(05:57):
add in COVID year into this. If it were more,
if it were like she could do twelve or thirteen years,
I would then say she needs a championship to some
people to really be the best ever. But she literally
has such a small spot to be able to do
it that, No, it doesn't matter in college because you
could go best college players ever, I don't think that
they've like look at Kevin drant didn't play the long

(06:19):
but he was awesome at Texas. They didn't win, They
lost to Syracuse.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Derek Rose pops in my head.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Memphis. He missed free throws like crazy. Memphis missed all
those free throws that he was so good, but they
just cant shoot free throws. That's not his fault.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, maybe little he missed, but in Mario Chalmers who three.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's true too. Yeah, but if they'd have made the
free throws exactly. My point here is college is such
a smaller scale. It's not fair to judge the greatest
of all time on championships of college because there's only
four years and a lot of times in year one,
maybe they don't even play. She's the best ever. It's
the dumbest question I've heard in my life. Not your
fault though, no offense offense You agree with me, Eddie.

(07:01):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
By the way, Well, it's hard because like you look
at like do you think it Barry Sanders, you know,
like he was one of the greatest running backs ever,
but he never won, got close to winning anything.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So we don't put him at that.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And the question shouldn't even been issue. The greatest ever
he was. Your question was should she have to win
a title to be considered it? Yes, So the answer
is no, she shouldn't have to win a title. She
should be considered in that conversation regardless of title. As
I say, you can pick other people, but it shouldn't
be because she doesn't have a title that she loses.
Barry Sanders, Dan Reno, right, Charles Barklay right, amazing but

(07:39):
never won a title.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
But if Tom Brady never won a super Bowl, we
would never put him as the goat.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
We wouldn't in football because he had a much larger
area to dance.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, so I haven't said all that.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
No, she's she's awesome, and I think everyone acknowledges that
she's awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
She needs to win a title to be considered the
greatest ever. No, I say no to. Also, I don't
think Charles Barkley's the greatest ever, but you can still
be considered amazing without a title. He wasn't the greatest ever,
but he's still top thirty five ever, never won a.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Title, but everyone you say, who is the greatest ever?
Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Michael Jordan all won titles, but
they also had a lot of time to do it,
and they had a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Caitlyn's in college four years. Yeah, all right, next up?

Speaker 5 (08:22):
All right, hopefully a better question here?

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Oh that was Kevin's You were good dude with both
one seeds being heavy favorites this weekend.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Which underdog do you think has a better chance to cover?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know it, I just looked. Yukon is eleven and
a half point favorite over Alabama Produce a nine point
favorite over n C State. Yukon was having the plane
trouble where they were waiting under the plane to pick
them up and the they didn't have a plane. First
plane broke, could play couln't get there. They got get to Arizona.
It was like one thirty in the morning, still couldn't lead.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
You see it all, yeah, yeah, not the details of it,
but I did see they got delayed.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I only saw because we were having our show and
I got home and they were still like playing issues
that was reading about they could affect, probably not.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Throat them off.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Something's gonna have to throw them off. Now we're talking
about covering here, we're not talking about winning.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yes, you know who it is.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Purdue at any point could lose. I think Purdue will win,
but Purdue until Purdue is not Purdue, They're still Purdue.
And I think they have to get to the championship game.
For me, they don't have to win the whole title
to not be Purdue anymore. But if they get to
the championship game, I feel like they've dropped some Purduas
and you don't want to have Purdunance on you. You
don't even want the nest to be named after you

(09:28):
because it was Virginians for all right. I think Alabama
has a better chance to cover versus Yukon because I
think Alabama, if they shoot, if they they are so
so dynamic, that's their thing. If they shoot a forty
percent from three, if they can do that, that's trouble.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
But you know how that goes.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
They also can shoot twenty two percent and there it's
a disaster. But I think Alabama can actually win that game.
I don't think they will, but I think they can
everything goes just right. I think North Carolina State's gonna
have to have everything go right and produce is can
have everything go wrong?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh really yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I think Yukon can play well and still get beat
if everything goes right with Alabama, because they have the
athletes and they have the coach. But I think in
the Purdue game, every it's just a different animal. Anc
State's got to have both things go wrong. I think
had Adue go wrong and they got to go right

(10:26):
Ancy State. They had such a good run they met
the final four. It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I don't think zach Edy has seen a challenge like
he's going to see with DJ version.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
You only say that because he's kind of fast. Yeah,
let's get him. He's also large tall, but he's also
like large.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
You got height versus body.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Zakidi has body too, He just happens to be taller
with the body so it doesn't look as wide.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
If it was like bull bullye, I'd get it well.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the way difference you may look it up. I'm
sure the DJ is weighed a few more pounds still
because but he's six nine and he's got six inches
on him. But have you seen his moves in the paint? Oh,
it's touch, It's like light. It's like light.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's beautiful. Do something nothing but net with a hook.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, don't say nothing but net, because that's stupid. Its bigger,
nothing but the more, nothing but that. It feels like
when you go give me my change and goes he
stops saying give me my change at the why because
nobody says that anymore. That give me my change.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
When I make my three give my change, Give my change.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
You didn't make me, and here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
My kids are starting to say it too now. I'm like,
I don't say that. Give me the change.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's such an old school funny thing.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Is twenty five pounds heavier?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay? But but do.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know here what we're saying. He's got a bigger body.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It doesn't matter. A bully is a bully.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Okay, So you bully a little bit. You're changing, Okay,
i'd say, is a bully that's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Ei is a big giant that, like I can book.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
You're being stupid. It's funny. I would say. Eadie's game
has developed so much it has any year.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
He's got a lot better.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
That we mostly are mad at Edie. I'm not I
bet on him, mad at d because he's fouling too
much and not getting called or the opposite fowls get
called on the person against Edie all the time, unfairly.
I understand the point, but at some point the refs
can't call foul every time, and at some point the

(12:21):
refs have to call foul sometimes. It's almost like in football,
we've had coaches on go Okay, pass interference, We're gonna
do it every time because eventually the rest can't call
it like off the line, so more like illegal contact
off the line Tyreek Hill. Every time, you hold him
until he gets that because the rest aren't going to
call it every time. Eventually there's gonna be a point

(12:41):
where they can't and it'll give us a bit of time.
You can try that with Edie, and Edie can try that,
but eventually Edie's just gonna get to be Edie. And
he's seven foot three or four. He's also developed a touch.
He's pretty lovely, he's pretty lovely playing.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
And he's learned to keep the ball above his shoulders
and once he does that, nobody can get it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Nobody can even get closer to it.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Anyway. I think Alabama has a better shot to cover
because I think they can actually win. Okay, I think
I don't think they will, but I think I think.
I think it's all the money that you put on
Purdue speaking right now, I know, oh, I don't care
about that because it doesn't affect that game.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
The money.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I'm saying Alabama can win if Purdue plays pretty good,
because if Alabama plays exactly right, they can beat Yukon.
NC State needs to play great and for Purdue to
play terrible. But I'm done. All the numbers and weights
are messing up.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Wait, okay, let's go to the NBA here.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
After returning from injury this week, do you think the
Sixers can make a legit run if mbat is healthy
in the East.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
The best thing about the Sixers whenever it comes to,
you know, making the run, being in the playoffs, is
that they don't have James Harden. Harden sucks in the playoffs.
I think Harden is done playing, like his contract says
it's over. And I mean he's notoricuely terrible in the
playoffs and he's awesome. He's actually playing. Hart has been
great with his change of scenery like that whole. I mean,

(14:02):
the Clippers for the most part have been really good,
and I think they're gonna make a pretty good plaoff
roim because Harden has people on that team who can
tell him to shut up. He does it. He's not
the alpha alpha there. He can be one of the
alphas and he can throw a fit. How much fit
are you gonna throw? Whenever you look around at your
other teammates First of all, you got Russ coming off
the bench. And I know this question about the Sixers,

(14:23):
but it makes me think of Harden. You got Russ
coming off the bench. Kawhi is just somebody I wouldn't want
to mess with and anyway whatsoever. I feel like Kawhi
gonna sad that to you, but you go, he's gonna
hurt you and then he'll go. Like I was watching
some old YouTube videos of Kawhi Garden Lebron in that championship.

(14:45):
I don't know what year it was.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Earlier.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, he he gloved Lebron. It's wild to see how
good he was. I think they don't have Harden, so
they're not gonna depend on that. I think if Mbi
is healthy, mbiad is amazing. But he missed eight weeks
and like, and it's also a knee. I'm not an

(15:10):
athlete like that. I know I sprained my toe the
other day and doesn't hurt anymore, but I still worry
about it. Imagine if I eight weeks with a knee
procedure too. Like that's that that is, that's significant. He
did play his first game, what had twenty four points,
six rebound, seven assists, but he didn't. He didn't he
didn't play the whole as many minutes as he would obviously.

(15:31):
But I do think they can make a run. But
I do think Boston is MB to the Sixers, or
is Porzingis to Boston Porzingis if healthy, I think they
win all the East and maybe at all EMBIID. I
think they have a shot to win the East, but
Boston's gonna be tough, and that's your team. I know

(15:53):
they're they're gonna be tough because they have it. They
have it all, they have scores, they have one of
the best on ball defensive players in the league period.
If Porzingis is on, he's just a hard matchup because
he is so big and he can play the five
effectively but can also and a lot of the big

(16:15):
guys can shoot now. But there's just something weird about
Porzingis's ability to play, like all three levels really hard
to guard. It's like Gardnetty because he keeps yelling I
want my change. You know, I don't like Garden you It' annoying.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
He throws you off a little bit.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yes, they can make a run. I don't think they
win the East, even with EMBIID, But I think they could.
Probably they could make the Eastern Finals, depending on the seating.
Is awesome too, man, Absolutely, Yeah, we're not saying he's not.
I'm saying the greatest addition to Philly is the subtraction
of James Harden m Yeah, full circle and as long

(16:46):
as Embiid is there. Maxie's a dog.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, dude, he's awesome.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
MAXI to me is like Brunson and New York, like
you needed the right environment and the right people to
believe that if you can have the ball enough or
you can be the star, you can be a star.
And Max he's been able to do that. It's because
Max he has become a freaking star. Yeah, Bronson is Dowes.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
He carries the Knicks trade.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
He's a superstar and he wasn't gonna be that in
Dallas and they basically traded him for like a low
bread So that's what's up. Yes, they can make a run.
I don't think they can win the East though. Go ahead,
all right, it's go to the NFL here for the
last one. After trading Stefan Diggs this week, where do
you rank the Texans in the AFC next year?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Stacking out crazy?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
The fact they have, they have mixing in the backfield.
You also gotta remember Tank Dell C. J. Stroud, who yeah,
with nobody had a great year. The only thing that
scares me is that, again he was a rookie and
he did play really well. We kept waiting for him
to fail. He never did.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
He was never did.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
But again, there's not that huge sample size to go Okay,
can he can do this multiple years in a row
once there's been a bunch of tape on him, once
people start to really scheme what he's been strong at.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I do think is gonna be really good again, especially
with the weapons. The problem I guess I have with
Digs he just seems like he's difficult. Same thing with Harden.
Like when Diggs was with the Vikings, wasn't the most
loved dude.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
You think he's toxic? Oh yeah, really big time.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Josh Allen probably don't confetti ever, Like, what what's Josh
Allen gonna do?

Speaker 8 (18:17):
Now?

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Be happy? So Diggs is an awesome receiver. I do
think the Texans are strong. They're young defensively and but young,
but like awesome at the same time. Their draft last year,
you know, with two top seven picks Wills Alabama. He's

(18:41):
started to really be a stud at the back end
of last year, a little earlier than even expected. I
think that it's let me rank them. AFC Chiefs are one,
Chiefs lost Tyreek, Will Mahomes be good. Yes, I'm gonna
go Buffalo. They'll do something. They'll supplement the receiving a bit.

(19:04):
Maybe in the draft. There's some good receivers.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
The lost Davis too.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I wasn't a Gabe Davis guy. I felt like,
I'm gonna tell you why, because I had him in
fantasy and he just was existent. I mean it's not
in any way.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Well in the playoffs is when he was the only
time he would show up.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
But he don't get points of fantasy for playoffs, true
fantasy playoffs. He didn't. There's the real playoffs. Yeah, I'm
still gonna go Chiefs, Bengals. T Higgins.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
I even about T Higgins really good.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
It's hard to say if he's a number one, because
he can't be a number one with Jamar Chase obviously,
and even Boyd is good.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I mean, if he goes.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
To the Patriots or the Bills, he'll for sure be
a number one, and we take them all day, for sure,
but number number one like top five, No.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
I agree, really good too. He's really good too. Yeah,
and that if Burrow stays healthy, I'm gonna go. Everybody's
healthy in my mind, just Chiefs, Bengals, Bills.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Now I'm gonna go Texans.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Wow, where's Baltimore in here?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Next?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Where the Dolphins? After all that they've lost a lot.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Then it starts to yeah, I mean then the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I got think about Chargers.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Because Harball's there and they're going to actually run the
ball a lot. It's gonna actually make Herbert not have
to carry the whole team, and he might actually be
as good as everybody thinks. He will be as good
as he is. And Harball's won everywhere. The Cowboys over there,
and they got rid of Eckler, and I think it's
probably a good move based on how Harball wants to
run an offense. Harball doesn't throw. It's not Eckler all
day throwing, you know, swing routes.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Chargers.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Then you get to that second tier. Let's just do
tiers then first tier Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Boom. Second tier.
I'm putting the Texas at the top of the second
tier with the Ravens and the Chargers and the Dolphins.
No Browns not. Yeah, I just I don't believe in.
I don't believe Sean Watson top of the third tier Steelers, Browns.

(21:07):
Steelers can move up for sure, and I think they'll
I'll have much better quarterback play obviously. What'd you say?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Ride them's?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's right, let's right?

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, what's he going to say with the Steelers?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Ride me still, steal me, still steal my heart. Let's
steal still.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Let's still sometimes. But I do think he can really
be good. M Yeah, he's got he's He's probably eighty
one percent of what he was. That's enough over there
with the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
But Russ right, not yeah, not Digs ok at Russ.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Oh yeah, with Diggs. I was just always just ranking
the teams. Once the Eggs is on the Texans, gotcha?
All right? That wasn't the stupidest question ever? Has a
good one?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Good job made it?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
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(22:08):
with this. Alabama covers So Alabama Alabama plus eleven and
a half. I don't think they win. You heard me earlier.
I think they can. But then I got confusing.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Eleven would be the closest win for Connecticut this tournament.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I mean the last year two they and Arkansas had
to play them. I had to go watch them lot
Arkansas Killama or Yukon in Vegas. Yeah, me the wife
Ben Rector and his wife went, We're like, let's go,
We're goetta. Oh god, three minutes of the game is over.
It's over.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, We're like, we just wasted all this money and
time to come out here. But Yukon ended up winning
the whole thing. So I'm gonna go Ala Biama plus
eleven and a half. I'm gonna go Purdue minus nine.
And that's a lot of points to give up. I
get it. I believe maybe biased, but I but I

(23:00):
bought But I wasn't biased. I created that bias because
I thought they would win. Does that make sense?

Speaker 8 (23:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I wait, I bid the money to buy Purdue. I
have to pick three, don't I? Because I'm looking about
the over unders? Do I have to pick three? Is
your over unders? Is you're under theory?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Though count like you have the under theory that it's
all going to be under because they're nervous when the
tournament starts. Now, where are you at with the final four?
I would think the nerves are even more of the
final four for Yukon.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, you can just chill. They just roll up. They
roll up in jeans, we.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Play, We're playing what court?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
They put a quarter down like we're next in jeans.
I'm gonna go the under on the Alabama Yukon game
only because if Alabama isn't shooting at a decent percentage,
they're gonna still shoot and they're gonna score alll that's tough.
And I don't know, I'm aboundand I have no clue
on the I suck it over unders. It feels so tough.

(23:57):
I'm gonna go under on the Alabama Yukon.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Game one, sixteen and a half.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
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I didn't even know what it was, was going under. Yeah,
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(24:26):
I could feel guilty or I could not. This is
a Jersey controversy that happened with me and a gift
that was given to me that was stolen. Here here
is this segment. All right, we're in studio now with
one of my friends and he's one of the guys
that owns Super Coffee. And this is even a commercial
or Super Coffee, but that's how I know him. And
you came to our million dollars show and you gave

(24:46):
me a gift, and still I feel guilty about the
gift because it was a sports gift. Jimmy, would you
say tell everybody the gift that you brought me to
the show?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (24:54):
So we uh, I brought you as signed Alan iverson Georgetown, Jersey,
you know.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Which is awesome now hold on, I want to tell
you why I feel guilty of it, because if it
were just that, like, that's really generous of you and
I that's awesome and that's like old school too. Yeah,
and it's but then he told me where he got it?
Where'd you get it?

Speaker 9 (25:19):
My brother Jake played football at Georgetown. He's a big
AI fan, and I took.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
It off the wall, and you know, he stole it
from his brother.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
No, you did it?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, So like I feel like does he know yet?

Speaker 9 (25:30):
He kind of knows, but he's supportive.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's supportive of it is Bobby's birthday, but it's almost
like not super present tense when he says he's like,
he's supportive when he fully understands.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Where the how long has he had that jersey? I
know it's been ten years.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
I think I think you put it on eBay and
we make him buy it back.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's cool, that's the most.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
That's so funny, Like that's hilarious until somebody scoops in
and pays more that it's gone. Yeah, because I love
but that I feel, I don't know, I'm torn how
I feel. It's so generous of you to think of
me like that. And that I'm very appreciative. But if
I were his brother and I came in and was like, where's.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
My eye jersey, I'd be pissed.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Where's the bit? Where's the answer? Yeah, it's not the answer,
but nobody seems I know it was here. And you
look over and he's like, hey, man, he sees me.
There's a picture of me wearing it that looks a
lot like you should just replace it with a picture
of bones wearing How important was that jersey to him?

Speaker 9 (26:34):
Be honest, I think ten years ago it was cool
sitting on the wall. It was a decoration. And I
think everything you're doing with your memorabilia, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't think it works like that. It doesn't get
it's cool.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's like Grandpa's ashes were cool ten years ago. You know,
they just don't meet as much anymore. Okay, I think
I need to ask somebody with a bit I'm not
going to say better perspective, but maybe be a fuller perspective.
So would you introduce whore sitting beside you? Yes, this
is my fiance Allison Allison. I feel like you'll keep

(27:07):
it real with the Alison, what do you think about this?
I am great, I'm it's so kind. But what do
you is anybody gonna be upset that I have this jersey?
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (27:18):
I mean, I'm I'm a big sister too. Yeah, so
I understand the rivalry.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah so I don't want to be part of it.
I don't want to be a pawn in the rivalry game.
I mean I kind of do that's fun. And the
bit of putting it on because I was I would
never I would have never sold it. I would have
that's awesome. But if the bit was, hey, put on,
make them buy it back and donate the money, that
would be freaking hilarious. But only if, like he really
wants it. What do you think I should do?

Speaker 10 (27:46):
I mean, I've known Jake for three years. I've never
heard him talk about.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay okay, I heard him mention that interest.

Speaker 10 (27:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Can I keep the jersey with no guilt? Because if
you say, yeah, that's what I'm going to do and
I'm going to move past this in my life, yes,
no guilt, no gilt. You kind of squinted her eyes though,
you know it was definitely if I were playing poker
against her, I'd be like she definitely the gift was
for you.

Speaker 10 (28:11):
If anyone's going to feel guilt, like Jimmy has to
deal with that, you know, but I like Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't want you to feel guilt.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay, judges, Eddie, what am I judging on?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
What I need? I mean, it's your gift. I get it,
and it's it's very kind.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
I think it's it's all on Jimmy here, like really
like he's the one that took it off the wall.
He's the only decided, like I'm going to steal it
from my brother, give it to Bobby. It's yours now, dude,
keep that thing.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Kevin.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Yeah, I wasn't very convinced until she said that she's
never heard him talk about it in three years.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Okay, so it can't mean that much.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
But there's stuff on my wall.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But she said Alan Iverson, She's yeah, I've.

Speaker 10 (28:45):
Heard him talk about a lot of basketball players. I've
heard him talk about sports. You know, it's gone and
I've never heard him mention Alan.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Can I call him and tell him we go? Will
you type his number on my phone and we'll have
and he may be super cool because he's like Oh,
because I know him.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I like him, see me? He does? Now, Like, what
do you mean, Like, when did he find out?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Maybe maybe.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
He knows? Three?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay, he's upset.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
But it went to boyemail so quick. He probably dropped
his phone in the bathtub trying to you know, because
he's sad as Jersey's gone. The phone in the bathtub
doesn't do anything. It's like a toaster, you know. Okay, Oh,
we got blocked. I'm gonna record video. This is a

(29:43):
good voicemail, like video voicemail. Hey, it's Bobby Bones here.
I wish you would have answered. I just have something
I needed to talk to you about. Yeah, it's very serious.
It's been on the heart of my mind. But you
you've blocked my call from my phone and now from
your brother, which makes me think we're both dead to you.
And I know why. I know why we're both dead
to you. If you could call one of us back,

(30:04):
that'd be awesome. I just need to talk to you.
Is that him calling? No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Who is that someone else? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, it's post alone.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Get that one.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Hopefully I'll talk to you soon. And this is pre preemptive.
I'm sorry, Okay, I'm gonna send save.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
I don't even know you could do that.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's the new okay that I'll let me push it
boom if he calls back, let me know. Okay. So
that's where I am, that's where we are, and but
it's not that the good causes my personal life the best.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Jimmy just doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm not. I'm not selling it. I'm not unless you
were like, unless you were like donate, I would. But
it's like I was like, this is a nice gift.
I will keep it. Or did you mean for me
to sell it? Whatever you want to do, it's yours. See.
The only way I can think I could find some
solace is if I did put it on for charity. No,
I still I want it to sound. Now I'm getting selfick.
Now I'm getting selfish with it.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Jim is here, younger brother, middle brother. That's right.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, I'm the modest so super coffee. How did you
it's three brothers, brothers. I know this. I'm not to
ask questions like I don't know. Yeah, but it's three brothers.
And how did you guys start doing coffee?

Speaker 9 (31:17):
We all played sports in college and growing up, and
we didn't want to drink a Starbucks that had forty
five grams of sugar in it. So we just started
brewing our own coffee, you know, healthy coffee, zero sugar
with protein it We're kind of just like jocks in
a dorm room putting protein in our coffee and tasted good.
It gave us energy, and we started selling it to
our friends.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
And now you sold you the coffee from your dorm room.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Oh yeah, nice.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
We sold that to Whole Foods.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
We from the dorm room.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
We brewed it in a blender in the dorm room,
poured it into an honest tea bottle, and we went
to Whole Foods and we said, hey, we're super Coffee.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
No way they had a permit for that. There's no
way that. That's hilarious. And so they were like they're like, well,
said you have a name, you must be legit. Yeah,
how did how did you sell it to Whole food
Did you just go and be like where we are there?

Speaker 9 (32:00):
Store manager?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Here?

Speaker 9 (32:00):
Can we talk to him? And there's a store right
on Georgetown's campus. And the guy was like, yeah, if
you can bring your friends into my store, I'll sell
your products. So that's how we That's how we got in,
give us an inch and we took a mile.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
And how did it do well?

Speaker 9 (32:14):
We made sure it did well, Like we stayed there
every day and poured samples.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
And stock the shelf.

Speaker 9 (32:18):
He gave us two little facings in the cooler and
by the end of the day we had we had
twenty facings.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
Like we were very aggressive.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
There are artists that I know that have made it big.
Whenever a record store back in like the two thousands
would be like, okay, we'll stop. We'll give your record
a little bit of space because you're doing okay locally,
but if it doesn't sell, we're not going to give
any space. And they would just have they just have
all the friends go buy it up back back, just
for that investment of they think it's working and even

(32:46):
if it's not, you can you can convince it to work,
that's right. Yeah, And then then the record guy started
to put more out than other people would just see
it and then start to buy it, and then it
became a thing. That's that's that's a really cool story.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
How you got two Whole Foods though for not turning
you guys away. The manager, Yeah, that's not so, I'm
playing the guys works that works there.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Yeah, he's Derek Ruber, that guy without Derek Kruber, the
store manager at George Shown.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I don't think there would be super coffee.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
What what sports did you guys play? Jake and I
played football, little brother Jordan played hoops. How about Jordan?
Does he like Allen Iverson? Because I now feel like
I took it from him too, like I might have
gotten passed down.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
Yeah, he loved Alan like that was gonna be mom.
I know, shorts down to his ankles because of Ai.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, dang, Why Austin, why'd you guys end up in Austin?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (33:33):
We were ready for a change. Twenty twenty. We were
living in New York City. City was shut down, Austin
was open. Whole Foods is based in Austin, ironically, and
Austin's an awesome, creative city, collaborated.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
The greatest city. It's a great city. New York feels competitive, right,
It's like, what do you do for a living?

Speaker 9 (33:45):
Everybody's trying to wine up each other. Austin's like, how
do we help you win?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Austin's like, how many trees are you playing today? Eleven?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You're in you're working today. Don't go to work today.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, just mental health, go walk the woods. It's my
favorite city. I'm biased. Our whole showcame is they're either
born in Austin, from Austin. We all met in Austin,
we all lived in Austin. The show was birthed in Austin.
That's my favorite city. Like, it's my favorite city and
I'm not from there, so I feel like I can
say that. And you're not from Austin either, from Montana.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's like the Austin of the Tanna's.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I have a question about Montana, Like, can you just
go like drive five minutes and then the mic over
there and see like Buffalo's.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, if you I mean, if you're in near Yellowstone,
you're he.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Just means generally anywhere anywhere like your backyard.

Speaker 10 (34:33):
No, not five minutes, but to you know, one two
hours and you're in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Did you basically anywhere you are? Did you hate when
Yellowstone came out? Because everybody's like, is that like your house?
Is that you No? I mean I love it? Okay, good? Yeah,
because when I went we were shooting and breaking bobby
bones in Montana and it was when Yellowstone was like
season two really getting big, and when we had a
land in Bozeman, but then drive like three hours. There
was no cell service where we were for a few days.
But everybody was kind of annoyed then because it was

(34:59):
just just popping and they were just starting to go, wait,
this isn't us. But then then you kind of realize
it's kind of a cartoon version, which is right.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
It's it's like it's it's all sort of a caricature,
yeah itself.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
And people know that did you grow up a guns?
Did you personally? But yeah, yeah, so we I'm in
an Arkansas. We grew up all guns all the time? Breakfast?
What'd you shoot this morning? You know? It was that,
you know, growing up. Then I start to have different
ideas about guns and not you know, every knucklehead should
have one, but I understand them. And it's people that

(35:32):
come from rural areas that also can like see them
as a tool and not just what people who never
had one. Just I can see what people don't think
it's a bad like the only bad guys have guns.
But I just wondered if, like, since you lived in Montana,
it's probably pretty universal. Most people had a gun, and
it wasn't even like you got a gun. It's like, oh,
you got a jack for your car. It was almost
like everybody had it.

Speaker 10 (35:51):
Yeah, the conversation is completely different if you're from a
Montana Yeah, Colorado then major.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Then if you're from either of the coast.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Because neither side understands each other because people on the
coast are like different, why and then people in rural
are like no, no, But you just wish there was
somebody like me who could bring your way together. I
don't know who that would be. That would be just
like me, man. I wish there was like a me
with a retro jersey signed by a superstar. It really
rides from the ashes. Probably it really wouldn't matter. But like,

(36:22):
like he probably was like something that was stolen, but
he wanted to do good. But okay, your brother didn't
call us back. You let him know.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He's upset, man, that's why he's like answer.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Can you imagine that's why he's so pissed right now?
Or he can't find his jersey, so he put his
phone to the side and he's searching all over town.
He supported it stolen to the cops. Really good to
meet you. Hope he had fun at the show.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
It was awesome.

Speaker 10 (36:49):
You know, it's like such a rare experience to see
that many amazing musicians with such different like vibes and talents.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
In one sitting. It's it's for us, it's really cool.
But it's also because of that same thing, it becomes
a bit problematic because you're like, gotta learn this song,
and it's this style, gott to learn this song, and
then sometimes Addy and I go like, we're not learning
this one.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's too hard.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
If you guys were backing everyone up was so impressive.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was like, are they play?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Are they do? They actually know all of these songs?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Most you see sometimes not play. Like sometimes if I
got to a part of a song and I was like, well,
I would just put my guitar. I would just take
my hands up. So people but most of it, and
some of them we were like, we're just hurting the cause.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Like when Edwin McCain came out like I, oh.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, yeah, I took a guitar off and I laid
it there and just went back to the I'm not
going to mess that up. Good uh, good luck with
with super coffee.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You don't mean my luck. You're killing it. It's awesome.
And then I got a jersey and we'll figure out
what the plan is. It's your gift, man, it is
my gift, and I want it. I'll be honest, No, yes,
I just want to. I want to do what's right.
So when if your brother's cool, I'll do what he
thinks we should do. If he's like, I love it

(38:12):
and I will pay a ransom for it, it would
donate the ransom.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I would do that.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
If he's like, he should just have it, I would
do that, and that's all. We'll just leave it to
those two.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
It would be funny if he buys it back and
puts it on the wall.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I could put if you said you should put it
on eBay, and what I would do, this is what
I would do. This is the ultimate joke. I wouldn't
even do a Okay, I'm gonna put it up and
say give you can buy it for a thousand bucks.
I'd put it up as an auction and started at
like fifteen hundred or two thousand to three thousand or
something crazy, and then he'd have to go and at

(38:48):
least do that, and then watch people also fight with
him a bit it's so funny, but also want it.
But I think you tell me all right, we'll follow
up on that work and people get super coffee.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
We're in Nashville, you get it on Kroger, but nationwide
we're on Amazon. We're gonna have a skinny latte summer.
That's the that's the motto this year. What's that mean?
Don't put all that sugar in your coffee. Grab super coffee.
You're a sugar Oh. I thought it was like a flavor.
No skinny lot, it's the whole. The concept is skinny
lot for me.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
There.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I hate coffee. I'm talking with super Coffee.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I hate coffee.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, I hate taste coffee. It tastes like I don't know,
poop tastes like for the rest.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
But you also don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
You also don't know a lot about coffee, Like you
thought coffee cake was like, oh, I thought coffee coffee
flavored cake.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh was that funny to you?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I thought coffee cake was coffee flavored cake, and I
was like, who in the world would eat I hate
the cake taste of coffee. Why would you make cake
taste bad? I mean that's fair though, Yeah, did you
enter the microfuse. Did you not think that coffee cake
was coffee flavored cake?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh, it's cake that you eat?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Whoop coffee nolice? Is that known? Is that like universally known?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think it's no.

Speaker 10 (39:56):
Yeah, dude, that the coffee like the nomenclature confusing.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 10 (40:01):
But like I guess the real coffee cake is Tia Massoux, right,
because that's actually soaked.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, now that's true. Like a dessert, a Tierra Massoux
does have a coffee flavoring too.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Now you know what Tiara Massoux is, Yes, coffee.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I do know what that is because they this is
on the menu.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh, coffee flavored cake.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
And coffee cake says in the title.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
I never knew that's why they called it that what coffee?
Coffee cake? So what did you think coffee?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
What did you think?

Speaker 8 (40:26):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Initially I thought, yeah, like coffee.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I was like, that's the dumbest cane in the name.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yes, a bunch of idiots.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
So my point is, I hate coffee, but I like it.
But I like super coffee for a couple of reasons.
One because it's not that I don't feel like this
when I'm done. And then too. I like the pumpkin
pie flavor.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
And that may be like the most childlike flavor, but
I do like the pumpkin pie flavor.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Fas like Thanksgiving. Yeah, it's actually I know.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I'm a child.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Do you want to know what's funny is Jimmy brought
some super coffee and he brought it out of a
Kroger bag.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I'm like, did you buy it?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
About your own stuff? That's like an artist whose single
comes out or the CD and they going by their
own at the target.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, exactly what that is?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Okay, no coffee, brother, yet he must be like he
must be in a big meeting, like probably making deal.
He's with it on a coffee.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
He's with the cops right now.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
So what I say on the front are said, G
E O R G E. Good to see you guys,
Thanks for coming in for the show. Thank you for
the jersey. We we'll find out what we need to
do with it. And do you know AI, I don't know. Okay,
I mean I do. I'll call it like we could
settle it with that. Thank you, guys. Have a safe
trip back to Austin and we're coming in May or

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so and maybe we'll see you guys in well on. Guys,
been together, by the way, three years. Okay, so you'll
probably still be together in May hopefully. When's the wedding
are you guys? Yeah, when you guys get.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Married September of twenty twenty five in Montana.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
You got to have buffaloes there.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I know, I know the guy that runs Bevo.
We can at least ship him up there.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
All right, right, Beivo the lomoren. We got to do
too much access Evo. That wait, how do we do
too much axes with Bevo?

Speaker 9 (42:04):
You run them out, you silver spurs. You gotta put
the white cowboy pants on and all that.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I want to do it. I want to do it
and be like.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Hv A tol. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, all right, thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Good to see you guys too.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
All right, that was awesome. Now let's get over to
my talk with Paul McDonald. Paul was the quarterback in
the nineteen seventy eight USC national championship team, so that
alone is amazing. Also all American, he was a top
six Heisman. He was draft in the fourth round. He
was the first lietenanded quarterback with the Cowboys. It just

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goes on and on.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Played under Tom Landry.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, and what he's done even since he was also
the part of the broadcast team for USC for years. Right, Yeah,
he stayed it.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
But you're you're missing the most important one the Cowboys. No,
Kevin played football with his son.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
How is that not on the sheet? Read your fire.
It's not your job to fire somebody.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
Yeah, that's the cool part is three sons all played
D one, three quarterback quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah, all quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He's an author and entrepreneur and overall like I liked him,
like I wanted to be friends with him.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh yeah, he's awesome.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Now you can check out his work at game change
nation dot com.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Here he is.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Paul McDonald, Hey, Paul, good to talk.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
To you man, Bobby. Thanks for having me on your show. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I got a lot to talk to you about, you know,
as far as as the book and game Change, et cetera.
But you know, when I was reading a bit about
your story, getting into the weeds a little bit like
I want to go back to that, to the year
that they had the strike and you know you're in
side gets hurt his arms hurt. You go like two
and one. You're probably feeling like, all right, this is

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my big my big spot to make it in the NFL.
And then the strike hits, Like how I mean that
had to be such a terrible time for you.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Well, we were, we were out for sixty days on strike.
It was a completely weird experience, right. It was my
third year in the league. We played a few games,
we weren't playing pretty very well, and Brian Stick was
the starting quarterback. By the way, he won the MVP
in nineteen eighty so he's the best player in the NFL.

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In eighty one, it didn't go so well. So really
an awakening moment was when he was introduced one.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
Game in nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
He got completely booed by the crowd, and at that
point I realized where the term fan came from.

Speaker 8 (44:35):
Fanatics. Right, But in eighty.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Two he was actually starting, and we went on strike
for sixty days, and I was working out, I was
staying fit, and I don't know what Brian was doing,
but it wasn't working. When he came back and then
I got the start. My first start was against the
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
When nice that went well when nice strike kids. Again,
this is is a different time then, and I think
back any strike that I saw when I was younger,
I kind of always held the players accountable not really
knowing how the game worked. Like I was like, could
you guys, they're just being selfish because again, we didn't
have the internet, we didn't have the ability to if

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we wanted to learn more about it. To learn more
about it, we just kind of had to listen to
the forty second bite from the sports guy or the newspaper.
Did you feel like during the strike that people really
didn't know what the strike was about.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
It's a great question, you know.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I've done a lot of interviews, Bobby, and no one's
ever asked me anything about this, So it's really cool.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
We're talking about. I think as the players, we did.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Some things in the community, for nonprofits, for charitable organizations.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
We tried to get the support of Cleveland. Cleveland. Now,
Cleveland's a sports town. I mean, they love you or they.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
And they let you know how they're feeling. But I
loved I love playing in Cleveland. But yes, there was
I think this sense of wait a minute, come on,
let's we just want to watch you play. What's the
big deal and we're we're scrapping for peanuts, you know,
on the on the on the floor back in the day,
compared to what's going on today with the financial structure.

Speaker 8 (46:17):
So what we had the.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Unions behind where we're union collective bargaining agreements as what
it was, and we're part of the NFL Players Association,
which is a union. So we had team stirs, we
had other of these organizations.

Speaker 8 (46:31):
Walk in the picket line. I walked the picket line.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
That's crazy, weird, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I mean even like not to stay too much on
a strike in general, but just being me being an
un educated sports fan. When I was a kid when
baseball struck, I was like, you guys are making a
ton of money. Get back. But then you realize what
the owners are actually making, and you know what, it's
a business, and you everything's relative, and so I was
just when I read your story about the strike hitting,
I was like, oh, man, that's stinks. And then it
just put me on this whole spiral of Man. I

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used to hate strikes and hate the players for it,
but it really is not the players. It's it's on
both sides. But I would just blame the players because like, well,
you're millionaires, you should go play. But then I'm not like,
well you're billionaires. We just didn't know who the owners
were and so we couldn't really vilify them because they
were just a big corporation. But your career has been
so crazy, Like you are a first team All American,
you win the national championship at USC when you're in

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LA in what was that like the late seventies when
you win the national championship seventy eight or so? Yes,
are you famous in LA in the late seventies as
the USC quarterback that won the national championship?

Speaker 8 (47:31):
No?

Speaker 6 (47:33):
No, not famous at all, even though we were on
the front page of the Times most every every day and.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
First team All Americans, you know. But still it's not
like Matt Lioner even was. It's not like we could
go through a bunch of the USC quarterbacks now it was.
You weren't famous even though you were that dude.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
Now, this is pre social media. This is a pre
I mean, all you have with the print news and
when you had you know, you had uh you know, the.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
Weekly news and the daily news that there wasn't much
out there now even the people on campus. There was
a little bit buzz there, but I think people were,
you know.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Staying away.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
They didn't want to hound you.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
No, not at all. I mean I didn't know what.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Fans hysteria was all about until I got to Cleveland.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
When you go and you're drafted, then the fourth round,
what is First of all, what's it like being drafted
in the first round? Back there? Now it's you on TV.
You go to New York or wherever they're having it.
We had a Nashville one year in Vegas. But to
be in the fourth round is that they two, three, four?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
They do it all in one day?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Like what was that situation like?

Speaker 6 (48:47):
All one day? Back back then again? No press, no media,
no nothing. First first time ESPN actually broadcast the draft
on TV. It was cable when no one had cable,
so I didn't even see it.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
I just got a phone call.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
I got a phone call from samartig Leana who was
the head coach, telling me I got drafted.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
In the fourth round.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
I was a little bummed because I was supposed to
go earlier by the Raiders and fortunate unfortunately for me,
but fortunately for him. Mark Wilson was available in the
first round. They took him, and so I had to
wait till the fourth round. At that juncture, I was
just happy to go anywhere, to be to be picked
and have an opportunity to go play and get paid

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for it.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
With the Brown was mister Brown? Was he there when
you were there?

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Paul Paul Brown? Now he was at Cincinnati. Yeah, no
he wasn't, but he started. Art Modell was the owner.
They had a you know, they had a good I
didn't see that much on television, right, We didn't get
that out here in southern California. We got the Rams
mostly sometimes the Niners, but but I rarely saw them.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
I didn't know where Cleveland was. I had to look
it up on a map.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, so you're playing with the Browns. You know you've
you shifted teams a few times. You were in Seattle,
But did you ever actually make the team in Seattle
or on the practice squad?

Speaker 6 (50:11):
There did not There was no practice squad. You made
the team, they sent you home. So I was was
with Cleveland for six years and got to play. I
started twenty two games, and that was a blast. Again,
you reference eighty two. We got the team to the
to the playoffs in nineteen eighty two, so that was
really fun to do that.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
But then I got cut.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
And I had a choice between Cincinnati or Seattle. I
thought Seattle would be a better opportunity, and I was
sort of wanted to get back to the West coast.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
But then I was just in training camp got cut.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Fortunately I had an injury guarantee, and so mid Sea.
It's interesting because you you're cut and you're like, Okay.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
You're looking at the waiver wire who got cut.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Maybe there's an opportunity for me to go to another
team and get picked up and keep playing. I did
that for several weeks and then nothing, no phone calls, nothing,
And so finally I got a call from my old
friend Paul Hackett, who was coaching at SCA. He was
at that time the offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys,
and he called me and I decided he was just

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calling a chat because I had forgotten about it. I
was like looking at like what am I going to
do with my life kind of thing, and he said, hey,
Danny White got injured on Sunday, and that's time.

Speaker 8 (51:30):
I got to Dallas for a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Dan, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, that's great. I love that.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So you you played under Tom Landry. Well, I mean,
I'm a huge, huge Dallas Cowboys fan, but I don't
know much about Tom Landry other than my grandfather busted
Tom Landry stealing Beebies from his hardware store.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I hear the story everywhere.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
Yeah, that is shocking that he would do anything illegal.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah. What what was he like?

Speaker 8 (51:57):
Stoic? He was kind of in his own little world.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Not not a guy you would run up to and
give a hug or even a high five. He walked
down the hall sometimes because he was in his thoughts
and you walked past him, and he wouldn't even recognize you,
wouldn't even acknowledge you, wouldn't say hi to you. And
I thought that was a little strange. We would have
meetings and he would go through these spreadsheets and he

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had all these different categories of measurement. How how the
team was doing, you know, third down conversions, first down,
how many yards on first I mean.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
All this, you know, just detail.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
And I was up on the top row one time
we were doing this, and I mean half the row
was they were sleeping there you know, because he had
this like overhead projector putting.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
Those numbers up on them.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
They could Most of the players couldn't follow the numbers,
but he he obviously was an amazing coach. Would have
loved to play for him longer. In fact, he told me,
I wish I would have drafted you. He was very
loyal coach. When I got cut there on my way out,
he said, I wish I would have draft you because
he was that way. He would he would hang with
you a long time. It's unfortunate how it all ended

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for him, with his career and Jerry Jones coming in
just cleaning house. It's disappointing to see that. But great man,
great human being.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
A couple of questions for you about what's happening kind
of now us he leaves the PAC twelve pactell is
basically two teams now but what what? What the heck? Like?
That's a whole new feeling. If you're an SC fan,
you're traveling to places you'd never been, all the way
across the country. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 8 (53:35):
So weird? It's bizarre.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Good luck at Ruggers, you know, it's for it's crazy scheduling.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
They could really put the knife to the Trojans, the Bruins,
and of course the Ducks and now you dub uh
in the tribal schedule playing playing those games in November
when it's snowing back in the Midwest and Ann Harbor
or you know, the Big House and the Shoe at

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Ohio State. So I think it's gonna be really, really interesting.
I don't know how they're gonna deal with travel. I
think football is one thing, but all these other sports
think about that. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Go
play doubleheader? You miss miss school? I mean you're gone
from school for a week or two weeks with basketball, baseball, tennis.
I mean, I just don't know. And the cost of

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travel is going to be immense. So it's gonna be
an interesting experiment.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
When you're playing at SC Mark s Allen's on the team,
young Mark Sallen. Was he something or was he just
one of the awesome dudes who developed into something even better?

Speaker 8 (54:41):
So here's trivia question. Bobby who is named the modern
day quarterback? And trust sixty six years old, so we
use that term loosely.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Name the modern day quarterback who played in the same
backfield with two Heisman Trophy winners.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I'm gonna go the modern day quarterback who played in
the same backfield with two, But so first, it's got
to be something that is about you. Initially I would
go Heismotrophy, but Thrma Thomas didn't win the Heisman Trophy.
Barry Sanders, they both played at Oklahoma State. I think
of elite running back tandems Jackie Robinson not he played,
was a great football player too. But he asked me

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one more time, who the modern day quarterback? So that
had to be somebody from the seventies on.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
I would say, yes, from the seventies on, Yes, exactly.
So what played in the same backfield with two Heisman
Trophy winners.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
M Okay, it's you.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's you. It's got to be it's got to be you.
It's a great question. Okay, yeah, got it.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
How do we not get that?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
No, less the point. Paul McDonald's my guest.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Let's go boom. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Charles White won it my year in nineteen seventy nine,
and then and Marcus was the starting fullback.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
That's crazy, and so he wanted.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Two years later. So you can win a lot of
money on that beat. In any bar anytime.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I just should not have been an idiot. Why That's
why I didn't have any friends and I lost all
the time he was there, I didn't get there. Okay,
I got three final questions for you, Lincoln Riley. Will
he play with full eleven men on defense this year
unlike last year where he was had like four guys
out there at a time.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
You know, so many of my colleagues, my former teammates,
were just shaking our heads.

Speaker 8 (56:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
To win a title in football, you have to have
a mental toughness. You have to be physical, and that
means running the football. It doesn't mean necessarily.

Speaker 8 (56:39):
Mean throwing it every down, and that means you got
to play great defense. You know.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Obviously championship wins defense. Isn't that the cliche? So it
was so frustrating. Doesn't matter how any points you score,
you keep giving it up out the back door. So
they're certainly getting all the players and recruiting portal got
I think, and enhanced coaching staff.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
We'll see, but you know, it's that.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
You have to have that mindset of physical toughness. The
offense they run does not coincide with that level of mindset.
It's finesse, it's skills, it's fast receivers, it's fun.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
It's you know, it's not their.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Dam three downs on a cloud of dust. It's let's
just make this fun and entertaining. We're like showtime. That's
what their offense is. But to win a championship, they
need to develop a different culture.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
What's difficult If I were an SC fan, Well, my
family's all OEU fans, so the massive OU fan, So
I I'm not. I'm an Arkansas fan, but I got
to I watched Owe you a lot, and you know,
if this was a one off thing, you'd be like, well,
but the same thing happened at OU where they scored
a bunch of points, but they had a bunch points
scored on them. So it's not like he just has
a switch he can flip. So if I were an

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SC fan, I'd be like, dude, just bring somebody and
go with defense as yours and I will not touch it.
Difficult thing to do, obviously, but do you feel like
defensively they're going to actually recruit different types of players
now that they're playing in that conference, Like the Big
going to the Big Ten, it's a bigger, it's a
whole different landscape.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
I hope so, I hope so. I believe that's what
they're doing. I believe that's what their intention is. Hey,
he's a smart guy, Lincoln Rise is a smart guy.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
But you are right.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Your DNA is your DNA. I believe he took a
real step back to look at the landscape and review everything.
I think he's going to allow the defensive coordinator, that
the guy from UCLA to run the show.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
And he's got to run his defense. You can't. And
they did a good job at UCLA last year just
one year being there.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
So hopefully that will be the case for USC this
year that they'll be tougher.

Speaker 8 (58:52):
They can stop and get the.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
Offense off the field, so the Trophans can come on
and score the points that they know how to do.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
All right, trivia question, and I'll end with this, is
it Paul McDonald, Well, he's part of the answer.

Speaker 8 (59:04):
I'll get that one.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
So in the nineteen seventy that the Heisman Trophy voting,
Paul McDonald finished sixth overall. Who finished first, second, third, fourth,
and fifth?

Speaker 6 (59:14):
Well, let's see, second might have been second or third?
Was Arch Sleaster. Wow, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I don't even know the answer. I just wonder. I
just wondered if he knew who finished the five that
finished ahead of him more than I.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
Knew I finished sixth.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's look it up.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Let's look it up.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
So you didn't even know, No, No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
I just want to see if he knew because nineteen
seventy nine heisman Charles White is a winner, obviously, right seem.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Charles White.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
It doesn't have the rest of them. I have me, Okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Who do you have at second?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah? Billy s Oh from Oklahoma? Yeah, go ahead? And
number three Mark Wilson, one of the Beach Boys, go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Ahead, and number four Art Slid.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
That'ston Peyton and Eli Son Art.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
He just said that, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
And then have five Vegas Ferguson, Oh, classic Vegas, Vegas Ferguson.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
Notre Dame running back, good player.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
A couple of things that I wanted to talk about. First,
we're uh, you know, a bit of adversity because I
just kind of want to lead into the book here,
and I feel like we all have a ton of it. It's,
you know, not if we're going to get it, it's
when we get it. How do we react? You know,
what are the tools we've kind of developed? And so
you wrote through the Tunnel true stories of sports and
life that empower your spirit. So is that is this

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book just gonna make me a better person? Because I
need it, Paul. That's why I have you here.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
I need it, Bobby. We all need it. We all
need to improved. We all need to be our best self. Fact,
there's a chapter in there, be your best self.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
I think you know what we tell ourselves all day
long is a reflection of our life. And if we're
not caring for ourselves, how can we care for another.
That's not narcissistic, that's just the fact. That's what we
should be doing. And but we go around beat ourselves up.
Why did I say this? Why do I do that?

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
I better than that? Now, you got to be grateful,
grateful for what you have, Grateful for what you've done. Bobby,
Look at you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Look at your career, I mean music, country music, your
status in the in the world, sports, comedian, renaissance man.
Really focus on all of those great things instead of
what you're not doing, and good things will continue to
happen for you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I'm more like Rent to own mannisances. Yeah, I'm more
like you go and you pay a little bit each
month and by the time you finally get it, you've
paid like four times for it. It's like it's more
like layway those real price. You know, that's the difference.
So tell me about game change, because it feels like
that is a resource that a lot of folks are
able to used to better themselves or at least put

(01:02:02):
themselves in a position to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:04):
We're launching at the end of the summer.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
We're super My partner and I, Jack Barrett, were super
excited about it.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
I met Jack this is a good story through a
mutual friend.

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
We met He is a documentary filmmakers, a storyteller, and
so he wanted to make a movie, a documentary on
the history of the USC UCLA football rivalry. So I said,
I wasn't that interested in it, you know, even though
I broadcast football at SC for fifteen years on radio,

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just didn't interest me. I was interested in bigger things,
different things instead of just football.

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
But then we start talking about, hey, let's attach ourselves
to a charitable cause. Let's do something good for society.
So we found this charity called curate and we made
the movie. We had this premiere. It was awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:02:54):
We had half the side was sc former sc.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
Athletes and football players. The other half side was former
UCLA football players and we watched the film together. I
raised a lot of money for this organization called Cure
for Cancer Research. We've netted that. We've had a dinner
ever since then. That was about twelve thirteen years ago.
We've had a dinner. And now we've got a golf
turn who netted five million dollars for cancer research by

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making that movie.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
So how cool was that? So that's how I.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
Met Jack, and then Jack and I really became friends.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
It was him nudging me, Paul, we.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
Got to write a book. You got to write a book.
My son also nice me too.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
I thought like, what am I going to write a
book about?

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
So we came up with the theme and so the
book Through the Tunnel is really a precursor for game
change and game change. You know, let's be honest our society,
especially the pressure the state of the mental health of
our children. And we're focusing on to start and launch

(01:03:55):
our company high school student athletes. I mean, the pressure
on these kids is immense with social media with what
theirs expectations are to getting into college and getting to
college of their choice. So we're providing inspirational content. A
lot of it's free, but there is a paywall, so
there'll be some subcrision as well. We're going to have

(01:04:15):
mastered class like things classes and web live, web broadcast
chat room for these kids that they can just go
hang out and it's all.

Speaker 8 (01:04:24):
Positivity, it's all empowerment.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
So we're going to not just fire them up, We're
going to provide them tools of how to lead their
best life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
That's awesome, I am mental health is something that this
generation now is actually understanding. It's something they work on.
I mean mine was like the last one where it
was kind of embarrassing to talk about but a few
people were doing it. But now, especially with what you're
doing and you're having something that exists that people can go.
It's a well that people can go get water, Like
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(01:04:53):
can go get the water. And so I think that's
great for athletes who honestly, if you're really good at
being an athlete, people wonn't really focus on you for much. Else.
I think you've seen that too, and there's not a
lot of skills that are developing. I didn't develop being
funny let until I got beat up, you know. And
it's these athletes are always, you know, either the prize athlete.

(01:05:13):
That's all they're known for. That they don't have to
develop other skills until they get to a point where
they just don't have them, and that's really not where
we want them to be. So I really commend to
you for your effort in trying to take care of
these kids and these young athletes.

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
Well, thank you, Thank you, Bobby. We're doing our part.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
It's not just those that are lead either, it's you
look at like ninety five ninety six percent of these
kids will not play in college, and it's that high
school experience that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
We want to maximize for them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
And by the way, the lessons you learn in sports
are just fantastic, you know, like you said, Overcoming adversity,
working with others, being on a team, dealing with a loss,
dealing with a win, how to perform in pressure moments,
how to rise above There's so many different lessons to

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be learned.

Speaker 8 (01:06:02):
So we want to keep them in sports.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
We want to keep them having fun and have the
proper perspective about it, and even if they're not, you know,
the star it's it's an awesome experience. And think about
when you were a kid, Bobby, I mean just playing
in the street with your buddies. That's what sports is
meant to be, and that's what we're attempting to encourage
kids to continue to do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
I like dealing with wins. Did you have buddies, nobody's
and any bodies and didn't win? So you know, I
definitely going to use this. I use this here. Well,
look this is It's been awesome to talk with you.
Congrats on the book and also I'm really looking forward
to seeing game change Nation. Man, this gonna be awesome.
You know, it's a super great idea. I think it's
a much needed idea, and I think it takes somebody

(01:06:43):
who's been through it but has also learned what you
didn't know. Meaning if my analogy as I grew up
really poor, but now I'm pretty rich, and I know
how poor people get screwed over, so I can help them.
And the same way with you being an athlete and
now you've switched your career to go to business, you
now can help athletes had no idea what what what
they were missing out on with business because nobody was
helping them. And so because of that, like I admire that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
I'll leave you with this quote, Our greatest work is
that which we wish had been offered to us when
we were in our deepest pain.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
That's a pretty hard quote to leave me on, because
I got to look it up and see what that means.
But I leave you with this quote.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Oh boy, quote challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
We quote back and forth. Whoever established the high road?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wait?

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
I lost it, dang it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just gonna go
ask where they were going and hook up with them later,
hook up with them later, get fine them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Ah, got it, got it. I took that a whole
different direc Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Let me leave you guys one okaye quote get busy
living or get busy dying?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Right, Okay, I'll leave you one more quote. Here's another one.
All you need is love but little chocolate now and then, Hey,
thank you for the time.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
You should run a book, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Yeah, congratulations, and hopefully we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
Thanks for having me on. I had a great time.
Get best of luck to you and your team.

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Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Okay, picked the big one ready, Yukon. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
I mean, I think that's just kind of it's also simple.
It's like the loser, I know, I know, but it's
not sexy. But I think that's just kind of where
it's at.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
You know, what is sexy? My gold bo Jackson signed
Tops eight of twenty signature.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
That's not sexy. That's sexy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah, Like I tried to have sex with it the
way you did. Yeah, there wasn't. Yeah there was gold.
I couldn't. It's wrong with you, man, But it was
that sexy dude.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
That's so cool, man, that's so so cool at all
those cards are so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
So we opened the box and we streamed it. I
guess we haven't talked about it here though we haven't.
We did so much talk about it on this, I
should do a quick recap and you'll see the whole
episode when we do our series on memorabilia. So we
open this box and get the invitation. Got a Goal
Tier invite? I have to RCP to that, I guess,
but I don't know if I get one or two people.

(01:11:03):
Do I want to go by.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Myself and you want to take me with you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
No? No, No, Listen to what I'm saying. What if I
only have the option to go by myself if it's
not a plus one? Do I want to go by myself?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
You have to? That's awkward.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
It is awkward.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
It's awkward.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
What if they ask you to wear like a masquerade?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Oh? Do I have sex party? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
With cards?

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
I call Jackson, bring your bo Jackson, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
That's a good question, man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I kind of feel like I have to just for
the story. Yeah, it says Baltimore doesn't give a date
and I need an RSVP because I have it, and
it says gold Tier. But I think I think you
guys were dead wrong. I think gold is just a
basic because the box is gold. But I don't know that.
I couldn't find it, Mike anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Nothing about that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
But I do see there are no plus ones?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
What one ticket?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
They want you to go solo, so you buy a
box and then you have a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Hey even Willie Wonka, like even little I only had
a plus one?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Is that for this year? Microp for last year?

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, I'm seeing it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
That's I guess somebody else email them because there's nothing
under the ticket and they said yeah, they said back
no plus ones.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Wow, dang secret club.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I got a minrdy No, that's Usmarinardi Johnny Bench one
on one sign was cool. I looked up the Derek
Jeter because now I've been able to spend a little
time with the cards and you know, we cry together.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Hey are they still all laid out the way we like?

Speaker 9 (01:12:28):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Wereked till yesterday. But I had dorm dudes come over
before they left, and I had them help me sleave
them because I don't feel good about messing up the
cards and they do it all the time. So I said,
would you guys come over and help me put them
in stuff so on a mess the corners up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, they know how to grab all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
And they did. They came over and some of them
were like, you don't want to sleave these, we have
to get order bigger sleeves two by two, little dozzle
point nine six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Illuminardi, get the ID deal and get a bigger card.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
And so I was like, okay, so I ordered some
batter ones but they're so awesome to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Which one?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
It just costs so much, But I don't even care
about costs anymore because it's already gone. Yeah, it's like
credit card money gone. Yeah, it's credit card now. It
sunds play money except not really. It sucks and I
gotta pay the bill, but I do good points. But
even then Dave Ramer saidn't worry about pints. Dave Ramsey says,
you know, points aren't. Yeah, he's so he's exactly what
he said. But I have to go to this thing
by myself. If that's true, I have to go. There's

(01:13:18):
no date, but I am going to RSVP today. If
you want to know a little fun fact. And I
don't know that we're doing it. I was talking with
Zach from Dorm Dudes, and he's the CEO, and I
was also talking with his like first in command. Do
you guys do you guys meet those guys?

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yeah, dorm Dudes, Yeah, yeah, Zach and Shane.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, so Zach and Shane were over. We did an
interview about breaking and Zach's like, man, Zac's like, I
want to buy a box. Probably Zach's a kid. They're
both really smart, extremely ingenuitive. Twenty two year old. Yeah,
he was hustling with a lawn care business before this,
like building out a lone. Like he's he's got a

(01:14:00):
brain as an entrepreneur. It's wild because he's so young
and like risk taking and like doesn't come from like
money or anything. So he was like, we should go
in thirds and buy another box. And I was like, man,
third sounds so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Than another pool. So y'all doing it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I Well, surprises have gone up. They're like thirty grand
a box, now, I know. So I said I would
be in if we could find another twenty well mine
was twenty five. If we could find one between twenty
and twenty five, I would go in on a third.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Do you think you'll make money off this first box?
I don't know, because at least your money back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I don't know. I hope I'm gonna start doing that.
But I looked up the Derek Jeter that I have
because there's like a a something of fifteen in the
same card that's twelve hundred bucks. I have something of
ten that Derek Jeter Patch signed, so I know that
one's at thirteen fourteen hundred bucks. We got a bunch
of five hundred ers. We got that John F. Kennedy,

(01:14:59):
which I'm going to a list on eBay. I'm gonna
start at like ten grand and nobody may buy it,
and I hate to have to get rid of it,
but I'm on my money back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
I didn't do this business man. No, it's actually a stupidity.
It's just for fun and for a series. And if
I lose a few thousand bucks, that sucks. But we
have a show. We're trying to make this show well,
hopefully we get sponsors. It wasn't just me throwing money
at it. I saw some people and I made the

(01:15:21):
joke too, like you give a poor hillbilly money, look
what he goes and buys. True, but also to us,
it's a series and we're out pitching it now for
sponsors and hopefully I'm able to make money and pay
for it. And if not, then I'm just a hillbilly
that has too much money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
And they're right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
It is what it is, just a hillbilly for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I'll be back to that soon if I keep buying it,
don't worry. Uh So, I've been looking at him, but
we've sleaved them up. We feel pretty good about some
of them thinking about doing another one. But then it's
the if they're all three of us, who gets that
other ticket to the party? Oh yeah, yeah, because there's
three of us and I'm is it. I have equal
call to that ticket as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I got it. Is what you do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Get the ticket in half?

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
You know, you put all you put all the names
in in a hat and if whoever draws it goes
to that person. Now, if you get it, I get
a second ticket, and then you get a plus one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
I don't hate that idea. We're going with you, and
that's then we'll draw all your names. Who goes with me? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
And then draw.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
You know where your big coat and just on each
other's shoulders. It's funny that twee. Your mind goes child.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Like sneak in big huge trench coat.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Read let comes out of nowhere with gold sometimes Uh huh.
That's hilarious. So that's that deal. I don't when this Airrs.
It could all be settled. I don't know. Personally, I'm
dealing with the Arkansas Razorbacks.

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Will you look and see I anything's happened, If must
has gone yet, if he's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Not leaving, what do you know? What do you know
about it?

Speaker 8 (01:16:54):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I don't want him to go, but if he does go,
I'm okay with it because that's his mom lives there.
That's how California, Yeah, Southern California especially, that's it will
be like if the head coaching job at Mountain Pine World,
but I leave here to go do that, it's my home.
You would not, I know, because that coach.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
I could not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
But I know he wants to be there eventually and
goes there a lot when he has vacation, and he's
been awesome for ARKTS. So he's elevated the program to
a point where we now can go get a top
tier coach because of the success that's just recently been
had in the last five years to early days of
Sweet sixteen. Anything as of right the second no, nothing new, Okay,

(01:17:32):
So when you have this podcast, who knows what's changed?

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
But I know you though you're not just like waiting
on Twitter being like, ooh, any.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Updates, like have you called it? Have you texted him?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
That's a it's a weird if any of my I
wouldn't say bustling are friend friends, but if any of
my friends or even like buddies in the industry, if
they're like controversy, it's it's weird to even tech somebody music,
unless you, like if you're an artist, if you're like
a super close friend. Let's say it didn't happen. But
let's say John Party uh got arrested for what's something

(01:18:06):
that's not bad, but it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Weird trespassing because he like jumped a fence at a ranch.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I'd probably text loll to him that maybe too close
to him, but oh, bar fight. I don't know that
one too, like how you feeling? Maybe John parties that example,
but it would be weird to text somebody who's been
like a little not a scandal, but something that's really
not my business. So I did text must, but I

(01:18:34):
don't text him. He's not gonna text me like updates,
like live updates, like a like a real friend would.
And I don't feel like I can share what he
has said to me because it's not said to be shared.
And if I want to be somebody who can be
told something and not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, spill it, it's too big news.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Well, I I also don't know, like something could happen,
and I won't know what's happening because I only talked
to him yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
So what I mean, what I saw was that he's
had an interview scheduled.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
So this is what has.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Been said publicly. There have been sources that said Must
have been looking for a new job. What I think
not what I know. I don't know this firsthand. But
what I think is that must is the kind of
guy that's always looking for any opportunity. He's like keeping
his eyes open for any opportunity ever all the time.
It doesn't matter when lose, whin lose. He's always like,

(01:19:33):
let's go, let's look, let's look around. Is there something
that would be more fitting for me? Or is there
something I could leverage to get a longer contract here.
He must have just a businessman, sure, and a really
good basketball coach. So I don't fault him for that
because I would do the same thing. You know, it's business.
There's loyalty, but it's business, so there's not really it's
like our company. I love our company. They've been great

(01:19:54):
to me for twenty years. But I also know the
company tomorrow if something happened. So I'm loyal to them
to a point, but you always got to look out
for Number one. That being said, I know he loves
southern California, and we all have known as Arkansas fans
that that's what we're gonna lose him to eventually. He's
very nomadic in nature. Anyway, everybody's been. We know that's

(01:20:16):
where he wants to go. So you can't be mad
at somebody for going where. Personally, it makes the difference.
And also, if you're a LA guy, you want to
live in La, not Fayetteville. And yeah, attackers are higher
and Steff costs more, but he'll be okay. And also
it's like what fulfills you?

Speaker 9 (01:20:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Yeah, at that point, see a big difference between LA
and FA.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I don't either. I'm just saying that all I did
text with him. Right now, It's twelve twenty on Thursday,
April fourth. This podcast goes up today. Anything could change,
anything could be different. I did text with him, we
did speak about it. Will I'm not going to share
what he said but I do have knowledge, and I

(01:20:55):
hope he stays. People are like, he's already. It's it's irre, irre, irrutable, posible, irrefutable,
one of the eras irritable. That's bowls my bows, Like
they like, you can't fix this. If he's almost yeah,

(01:21:16):
maybe maybe that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Yeah, that's so good Mike, good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Job, buddy, But it is you know what, you know
what changes everything? Winning, That's what changes everything. And he
didn't like stab a kid or kick a dog. I
hope he stays. But if he's gonna go talk to
USC a place where he probably would like to go,
that's not You gotta get over yourself people. I gotta
fight with somebody on Twitter yesterday, which I don't do
a whole lot. And he's like, man, if you're not

(01:21:40):
little at us, get the heck out of here. And
I'm like, first of all, he wasn't a razorback. He
came because a businescision. He may lead because of a
Busines decision. He makes the best decision for himself. And
he's like, I don't even want him here. If he
doesn't want to be here, that's the dumbest thing I
ever heard of my life.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
So if he comes back, then what does that guy?

Speaker 8 (01:21:57):
Do? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
What I mean? If we win, He's like, Oh, I
knew all along.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
No, it's so dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
I'm going to so here we go. I'm going to
campus next week to teach, teaching a couple of days
on campus, and I think it'll be settled by then.
I think, muscle stay or go. May it already happened
by now? And then I think the new coaching search
starts or doesn't. But let's say it does start. That's
interesting because who's it going to be. Is it Chris Beard?

(01:22:25):
It don't Miss reportedly got an extension at all Miss
but hasn't signed it yet. Whatever the heck that means?
Is it Jerome Tang?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
At Kansas State?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
That's our guy, that Jerome Man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Didn't have a great year last year. But you really
can't judge it on one year because mustn't have a
great year last year. But Tang's only been a head
coach for two years, where must has had definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
A bigger But he had a great year first year
as a head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
So we shall see. But hopefully I'm there if they get.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
To announce a new coach, what if they announce you
as a new go, hold on, hold.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
On, would you go to the press conference? Would you
sit at the table like behind must?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
I mean, answer both of those. They announced me as
a new coach. Here's what I would do. I would
take I would be paid except ten grand a years
my salary, but they have to give the other four
million to me for nil money. And I'm gonna get
all the best players. I'm still gonna do this job.
So I'm still gonna be oh god, choking buy baseball cards.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I was like, dude, you're not taking the million, the
four million.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I'm using that to build a championship.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Smart smart, And then if.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I'm there, I'll go to the press conference. I want
it that. I've also been talking to the athletic director
a little bit. I know Hunter, you're a check pretty well.
We met Hunter. We were there, Yeah, I knew I
did them. Yeah I met Hunter, So it'll be like
we met him, already knewhim.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Go, I'm cool and Kevin and Mike and I text.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
With him a little bit too, just kind of getting
the field, that lay of the land. It's amazing how
much respect quote finger quote you get when you're a
big donor.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, they respect you a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Or and now that they know because we Eddie I
went and did that show and Hunter and I don't
think Hunter knew what even I know he knows him
on the radio, he knows whatever, podcast whatever. But Eddie
and I did the show in fab and we sold.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
It out super quick. We raised money, man, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Then we gave them all the money. We'd take any
money raised money. And he watched the show and I
think it was like, oh, this is what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Yeah, people care. It's weird, but they do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
And then we walk off for like I know, we
can't believe it either. Anyway, that's my drama right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Sports wise, I just think it'd be good if like
there was a press conference and I want to introduce him,
and you introduce him, and then you sit right next
to him as he says whatever he's going to say,
and then after he's done with that, you answered the question.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Just then I take questions too direct. Yeah, I would
do that. I would like to do that even with
if mustas exactly what he's saying, our new coach that's
been here before, and we'll take questions and then he goes.
But to ask him a question. You've also got asked
me a question after he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Correct or you don't have a question.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Or you don't get to ask one. Otherwise nobody cares
about me.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Very unselfish of you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Thank you. Yeah, that's really on my mind right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Yeah, I'm sorry. You're going through a lot right now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I don't I'm getting a bit icaracy though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
That's a big word. You might have to define that
for me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Are you familiar with story Vicarus? Uh, refresh my memory?
I probably do a refreshment memory. Chris flew too close
to the sun, and Chris, don't fly too close to
the sun. His mom said that dad maybe maybe also
you may see whose dad was. Oh these are gods,

(01:25:33):
these are Do you think somebody can just fly there?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Man, I don't know, said Licorice. Dad liquor Is told
the son Liquor like, don't fly, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Fly so high, don't fly too close to the sun.
He got too close to the situation close son, and
his wings melted and he fell and died. Oh man,
So where I don't want to get too close to
the sun is I don't want to get too close
close close to the program because if I don't like
somebody like a coach or luckily right now I'm good
like a coach or athletic director. I don't want to
have to feel differently about the program because of a
personal situation. Yeah, so I tried to be I try

(01:26:07):
to make it an inicuracy situation. Good is zus' Dadalus?
Are we sure that's not Justus's nickname?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Like the bar daddy Dedalus?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
So Dadalist said Chares, don't fly too close to the sign,
and then he did and he fell because he melted.
I don't want my wings to mount because I love
I love Arkansas sports, and I never wanted to be
personal where I hate somebody, you know, So then I
like the program last root against him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
But Chris Berre will be interesting, that would be very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
I would hate. I hate to hear what I would
have to say about when he went to that trouble
at Texas. So we'd probably delete all that because I
don't know what I said, because I just don't like
Texas the monkey. No, was he the monkey coach? Yeah,
that's that's football, that's football. He was the one that
got told for for uh, it's domestic. Yeah, it was
white and he he got fired at Texas, right right, right,
right right right, but it all got dropped. Yes, and

(01:26:56):
if he's a Arkansas coach, I'm be like, this is
a misunderstanding. M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So who's a monkey?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I think it was a coordinator at Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
When they went to his house and there was a monkey.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
The monkey that bit somebody during Halloween.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Yeah, he had a party at his house and there's
a monkey and it bits someone.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah, let me google remember this vaguely now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that was in Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Nobody say it. I was gonna google Texas coach monkey.
It is Jeff Banks, assistant football coach. They were sued. Yeah, okay,
you need to be a baller. And I have a monkey.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Yeah, I'm telling my uncle had a monkey bit my mom.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Jeff Banks, Texas special teams coaches girlfriend allegedly bites child
in Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Whatever, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Okay, we're done. By the time you hear this, it
all could be different. That's how my feelings are right now.
Go Purdue read wors are freaking cakes.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna chill a little bit this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
So somebody's getting a freaking cake.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Okay, Oh you already know what kind we.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Like, right, Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna dish those out
one at a time, like one a.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Week or yeah, well I would say we need one,
say Monday. I'd say one maybe Monday. But where he's
gonna be gone with me in Arkansas? They might have
a nice kitchen in Arkansas. You got it? At least
due to the next week, because next week's a maybe
our last week to do the show. Yeah, if you

(01:28:17):
do only do one next week, got to do three
the next week. I'll make it happen. Okay. Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Hey, Also to my son, wants to remind you about
the Caleff battle card.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
I have it. Problem is is he not there right
as of now. But if must leaves, which you don't
know the situation, Caleff may go like I'm transferring. Yeah,
but I text Caleb and said we're gonna come. I
got all. The plan is to go meet up and
get him to sign the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
All right, that's it, Thank you guys, have a great day.
And Eddie below to whistle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
I got you.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Oh my god, it's a crossing guard.

Speaker 6 (01:28:49):
Bye.
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