25W: Harbaugh Accepts Slap on the Wrist + Bengals are Done + Fox Sports Radio's Doug Gottlieb + ESPN's Betting Expert Joe Fortenbaugh + A New Game!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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(00:40):
Now please blow the wishle Please let's me go. Uh.
The game last night was very interesting, and I'll talk
about my betting situation in a second. Not that you
just care about my bets, but it's just I was cooked.
My goose was cooked immediately, and then I had to
walk slowly wade out of the cooked water. Oh my god,
it was just nuts. So that being said, Joe Burrow

(01:04):
and the Bengals, I guess are done. Yeah, because we
were recording this Friday morning before we do the radio show,
so it's butt crack early. I don't know. I haven't
seen anything at risk. His finger was last week. I
think his risk was last night. He couldn't hold onto
the ball I saw him play. I changed the channel

(01:24):
because my wife and I were watching a couple shows
last night too, and I kind of I can't. I'm
on the road tonight, and then I want to watch
college football Saturday, watch NFL Sunday. So if she wants
to watch something on Thursday, I don't fight that. You
gotta do what you gotta do. I don't. I don't.
I used to, or I used to put up not
a fight, but I'd be like, I need to watch
it from my job. But then I realize, I'm slowly

(01:48):
realizing that I'm not gonna use the word compromise. But
marriage is about knowing that you will win some battles.
You will lose some battles, but it's better for the
ones that you win, just fully win on having any guilt. Yeah,
I don't. I could I have said i'm watching the game, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
And you probably would have won that one, and I would.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Have won it and she wouldn't have held it against me.
But I wouldn't have felt good about it, and then
I felt like I would have ordered something else on
like Saturday, which I wouldn't have. But so it's just
not worth it. Smart dude, good job, I'm kind of
getting there. You're early in marriage. I've been single for
way too long, right, I mean I was single for
forty years. Man, that I was two years old in
the dating scene. I never thought this was going to happen,
that you were that that street was a baby as

(02:27):
a baby, Like I was a two year old just
picking up chicks. It was like, I'll always be single
for everyone. Yeah. Uh So a couple things about the game.
Number One, I guess Cincinnati's done. I can't imagine because
they fell behind so quick this year, h that they
kind of needed to have the run that they were
about to get on. So uh, probably not going to

(02:47):
make the playoffs. Yeah, especially in that division, especially in
that division. Yeah. Secondly, man, the Ravens are good. They're
real good except for they are so when they're hot,
they'll be They can be anybody. I think even San Francisco.
Fully loaded, they give San Francisco a real, real great

(03:09):
matchup because offensively well Mark Andrews out for the year. Yeah,
that sucks. That's brutal. And I only saw Hiss out
for the year this morning. I knew he left the game.
H That sucks for them, But I still feel extremely confident.
But even Odell Beckham left the game last night, he
did come back with no pads on. He was holding
his shoulder. Yes, so, as I say, they're so hot
when they're hot, but they also lamark get hurt any point.

(03:31):
He kept falling on his ankle.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
He was tripping on turf.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
But at the same time he would go around the corner,
no limp, all in butt. They would still run quarterback
design runs with them. What I did like about it though,
is that he would he would purposefully drop at times
when he's about to get hit.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's what you want.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I thought he tripped again, he did some, yes, but
then he would also go down, So you're right.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I did see one where even went backwards, Yeah, just
to make sure he didn't get hit.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, what's crazy is Logan Wilson, the linebacker for the Bengals,
was involved in all three.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's wild, so that I want to mention that before
we move on with the show because it's fresh on
my mind the Mark Andrews things sucks. Baltimore has the
potential to win the whole thing. They also can lose
the first round. Like they're the highest ceiling, lowest floor
team I think in the NFL where they can win
it all, and they can also lose in the first round.

(04:22):
And either way we're like, oh yeah, not super surprised.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
And now Hardball probably wants to win it for his brother.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
You know, I don't know that that's the thing, Eddie
he's wearing. They're wearing a decal in the helmets Michigan. Yeah, Michigan.
Dat guy on the sidelines of the Glasses. He's hired
Stallion to work for Baltimore brother. He starts crying. Yeah,
the post game, he's cursing like the other coach. So

(04:47):
that in Cincinnati just sucks. I like Joe Burrow. I
just like Joe Burrow. He's kind of old school, kind
of new school at the same time, really good quarterback,
like stays in the pocket for the most part. Like
he's old school in that way, but new school. And
how he communicates, how he arrives at games, kind of
his attitude. Yeah, and he's a winner and he turned

(05:09):
that Cincinnati program program. It's out of college that organization
from just a joke to somebody that was competitive enough
that they had to not be a joke and invest
more in their team. Yeah, which is what we've seen.
It really sucks.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
It does suck. It doesn't They need to stop calling
him Joe Cool though. That's that's that's Montana. That's a cigarette,
the cool cigarettes. Joe Cool is like the not the camel.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
I think when they had the yeah the AD's going.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I think Joe Cool initially was the camp Like when
you look up Joe Cool, I'm gonna tease the show.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Because that's what they called Joe Montana.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I know. But I think Joe Cool was the Campbell
that smokes cigarettes O G.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
And that's where the name then went to Montana.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Didn't you guys smokers? No, it's the name of the Campbell.
What I thought that was Joe Campbell. I think I
remember being a lawsuit or They can't use cartoons for
cigarettes or alcohol because it supposedly attracts kids to it. Oh,
I know it from that. It's also listed as a
Mendela effect that he was never called Joe Cool who Montana.
No Joe Campbell. Oh, but I feel like he was,

(06:11):
so I feel like I live in an alternate timeline.
I might be right on this one. Boys. Well no,
if it's listed, though, it means a lot of people
called him Joe Cool in my timeline that I lived on, Eddie,
you must not have been there.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Hey, on that same note too, just a random fact
that I saw I saw some documentary on Yogi Berra.
Do you know Yogi Bearra was No, Yogi Bear was
named after Yogi Berra. Yes, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I didn't know that the baby Ruth Candy bar was
after Babe Ruth.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well that one makes more sense, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yogi Bear. Well maybe because Yogi Barra wasn't that famous
the baseball player. Yeah, like at the time, yes, and
for baseball fans yankee, but like he's not somebody who
has you know, transcended generation.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Sure, like my parents don't probably don't know who.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
That is Yogi Berra. Yeah probably they probably, Oh because
he's a big back then Yeah, okay, I would say, like,
read doesn't know Yogi Bear? Is I know who Yo Bear? No? No, no,
Yogi Bear?

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Oh yeah no.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Everybody? Yeah, yeah, he was like a catcher for the
for the Yankees, and yeah, he'd say say funny sayings
all the time. That was his thing.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
But see Reid thing now thinks that Yogi Bear was
the No.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yogi Bear is the catcher. Yeah, the bear he just
hurt No, okay, saying look, this is the thing coming up.
We got Doug Gottlieb. Doug Gollib's awesome Fox Sports Radio.
He played basketball at Oklahoma State, and we talk about
his playing days because I'm super interested. I don't hear
him talk about that a whole lot in his show,
and I listened to him a lot. I think Doug

(07:41):
Gotlib's awesome. But the fact that he's still top ten
all time and assists in the n C Double A.
I'd be leading off the show with that every show,
but I've always got to be like and now starting
the show, top ten assists in the n C Double A,
Doug Gottlieb, it's a big deal. So we talk about that,
but we also get into the Michigan scandal and more,

(08:01):
and then also ESPN betting expert Joe Forton balls On
talk about his journey from Pennsylvania to Vegas and moving
to Vegas to be like a gambler. That's crazy, that's crazy,
and how to end up losing streak and how Taylor
Swift can influence a game. So all that's coming up.
Glad you guys are here, Why don't we go over
and do the tit tat go his name?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
What do you think is more likely to happen after
this season? Jim Harbaugh going to the NFL or Dan
Landing taking the Texas A and m job.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't think either. What happened now I think less
and less the Harball is going to go to the NFL,
mostly because I don't think that Michigan would have just
dug in as hard as they have with him. If
and I don't think you would have accepted the penalty
that he did. You know, he said, okay, i'll take
the three games. Well one of them he already did,
so I'll take it too. It's like a judge, go, yeah,
it's going you get credited for time served. I don't

(09:02):
I now don't think he's gonna go to the NFL.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
That had to be like a hey, just take this
gym and let's move on, right.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know. My theory, My theory is it was worked
out to where they've agreed up on I'm gonna just
sit out three games because I know it's probably gonna
be a lot worse. But if we look like we're
being proactive, maybe we'll get less type thing. Because remember,
they were gonna like go and file a restraining order
and make it not happen. Well they're not doing that now,
I wonder why. But they needed to raise a stink

(09:29):
to make it seem like, oh, the world's against us.
That's still my theory. I've not heard that anywhere else,
so that's why it's probably really stupid, but that's still
my theory that they were in on making that punishment.
Because the Big ten's also like, we're good. Now you
see him. Yeah, we're all good. Now you did three,
we're all good.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Yeah, he's not involved, but we're good.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So my theory is it benefits
the Big ten for them to win games obviously, and
for him to not be sitting out, But how can
they do the least but make it seem like the
most and make everybody go it's a good punishment that's suitable.
I feel like that happened. I don't feel like he'll
go to the NFL now because I think he'd had
to give him like a private word, like, hey, guys,

(10:09):
get my back here because I'm staying. Yeah, Dan Lanning,
I cannot see leaving Oregon at all. Just can't see it.
You know, we Dan Campbell said he was not taking
the A M job. You see that? No, can't. Yeah
from Detroit. I didn't even know they. Yeah, he's like
he's not going to textan'. He's like, I'm not going

(10:30):
to tex Who interviewed for it? Guy interviewed, interviewed? Or
I don't know who my guy is? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Who from from last year? We had him on whistles utsa.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
He interviewed? Or they're just talking to me. I saw
a reportless as he interviewed for the job.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's cool. That'd be a huge jump in me texting yeah, coach,
how did the interview go?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just say that? What do you think? Do you think
i'd have him as coach on my phone?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Or do you think or do you think I have
him as like coaching?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
His name? Yeah, it's just a trailer coach. Don't have
his coaches have Jeff Jeff, I have I have Jet
just Jeff Well, I have Jeff parentheses? U t s
a coach?

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Okay, they talked to Jeff trailer is what it says.
Now another report?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, I'm gonna text him a coach. He was
awesome last year. Remember, I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Uh, next time we're around Central Texas, we should we.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Want to come by. Uh was in Austin.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
The charity show and almost called to see if you
were available.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But not too much. Right a paragraph there? Hey, man,
are you overdoing a little bit? Shut up? A short story.
He's gonna wake up and be like what I thought
about you the other day? Well sleepy? I mean, if
you can get us some tickets? Do you like turkey?
Thanksgiving's gonna be fun. Let's see next time, I gotta

(12:21):
have to create a conversation. No, I get it, but
I mean it's out of nowhere. You know what I mean? No,
it's not because I was in Central Texas.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
And then you're gonna end it with like, how did
the interview go?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
In conclusion? Next time? But you uh? Nah? You do
you dude?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I mean you talked to him. I don't talk to him.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Hey, this worked for Jerry last year, isn't it true?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I can't tell you what some of the final part
of writing.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You're like, san Antonio is cool when we whimby's awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, I can't.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The river walks so awesome to go to this time
of year in backspace.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Stop it.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, this is cool though, this is an inside look
and how you communicate with people.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, still going, all right? And sent nice? Yeah it's
two paragraphs.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, that's good. So there was a part in them
that you couldn't share.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
It wouldn't be in my best interest, and I wouldn't.
He doesn't know. I mean, he doesn't even know I'm
texting him, not yet, but it's definitely me asking a
couple of questions. Yeah, that's all, okay, all right, there's
a chance I can let you guys know what I
wrote at the point that he has to enter the chat.

(14:16):
All right, but yes, that's so. I'm gonna say Harball
though more than Landing, although I don't think either one
of them are going. But if I had to pick,
I would go Harball.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Okay, playing in the third straight rank matchup this I
gotta text back already you didn't it's from him? No,
it's not sort of.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Got come on, let's go.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Uh, you're the best.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
We'd love to see you holler whenever you're clothes. You're
like question mark, question mark.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Not doing that. I'm just establishing, Oh, you haven't asked
the question. No, I did, and I said a couple
of things that he's not supposed to. I don't want
him to respond to got you, just to know got you?
Dang he get he's a quick texture. Well yeah, when
a moderately known media personality and rule America messages here,

(15:00):
you answer right back, yes, sir, Okay, go ahead, okay.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
And they're playing in their third straight rank matchup this weekend.
Do you think this is the weekend that Washington loses
for the first time?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Nope, And I'll tell you why. They're Oregon State. They're good,
you know, But I think people now are going I
think Washington's gonna lose, and that's usually when they don't like.
I think Washington maybe just looking ahead. And when people
say that so much, it actually reminds people not to
look ahead. When people are like, oh, this is a
trap game, but they say it's so much, it becomes
not a trap game. No. I think they win and

(15:33):
handily easily state favor too. I know I think that,
which again is motivation because it's at Oregon State. So
whatever amount of points, what was it a two point?

Speaker 8 (15:41):
What?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think one and a half last time I saw it, Yes,
so I saw it too, so maybe it's shifting back
mm hm and three points. In the NFL, they really
don't do three points anymore. I was listening to a
guy talk about betting. It's more like a point in
the NFL for a home away because it's not that
big of deal unless you're LA, and it's nothing because
nobody LA fans don't care. There are more Packer fans

(16:03):
in an LA game when they're playing the Packers than
a ram or Charger. Yeah, but three points is usually
still what it is in college. So if it's a
two point spread, that still means I think that Washington's
a better team. They're just getting those home field points.
But I think Washington probably runs it. I'm gonna bet
Washington on that, Okay, yeah, I'll bet them all right?
What else?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Going to the NFL, which current seven seed do you
think has a better chance to make the playoffs? The
Texans or the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I know c J. Straud is like the dude, but
he's got a big couple rookie games coming out. In
my fuel, he's still a rookie and they're still the Texans.
Those are two things you can't fully shake. It's funny.
It takes a long time. It's like it's like I
got sprayed by a skunk when I was like eight

(16:50):
or nine and not direct, but I was right by it.
When it's sprayed. I think he was scared and my
grandma would like put me in tomato juice to wash
the smell off. That was what the move was. And
so but the smell, it went away mostly at first,
but it just for like four days, it just slowly
went away until it was gone. It never just left.
That's crazy. That's what being a rookie in a Texan is.

(17:12):
You gotta it's gonna take a long time for that
smell to tomato juice off of you. So until that's
all the way gone, I'll just not believe it's all
the way gone. So I think that it's the Vikings.
I'm a believer. They've they've they're like five and hour
six over without Justin Jefferson. That's crazy, just crazy, which
is hilarious and crazy. Uh So, I'm gonna go with
the Vikings, even though they have a much harder schedule.

(17:33):
I think they have the hardest or the eleventh hardest
trick the schedule, where the Texans have like the twenty
ninth hardest. But I still Shroud's a rookie and he
hasn't looked rookie like. But rookies usually revert back to
rookie at some point.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Rookie get a rookie, you would think, right, yeah, no,
I agree, I think it's a what do you think, Eddie?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I I mean, I like, I don't know. The thing
dobs over in Minnesota is crazy, and I think they're
on a roll. And if they can just keep up
what they're doing, which is crazy to just go in
to a brand new team and act like you've been
there forever and play the way that they played last week.
I mean, to me, I think that's the story right there.
Right Josh Dobbs goes like he's gonna be a legit

(18:14):
quarterback if they make the playoffs, he will be a
legit quarterback, no question.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Uh. But CJ.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Stroud, Man, I mean, he hasn't showed rookie. He did
a little early in the season, but I mean, you know,
he has show rookie.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
They show Texan that's what I well, you know, because
they Texas suck generally. And he didn't throw interceptions. Remember that,
even though he was a rookie, he didn't throwny interceptions, right,
he had that reck.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, so and he still doesn't have Justin Jefferson or
anybody even close that.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But he has a guy named Tank. But but he's hurt, now,
is it? Yeah? Tank Dell or yeah? Yeah, I think
he's hurt.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I think Robert Woods comes back. What Dalton Schultz
is there so that's kind of his dude lately.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Damian Pierce, I think he's back this week too. These
are a bunch of people that average. For any other team,
they would just be back up totally. But you're going
with Minnesota. I would rather have CJ. Stroude long term
obviously with Yeah, but I think that the Vike Oh
but the Vikings are that's a choking organization too.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Do you think the NFC and AFC have something to
do about it? Like being the AFC is harder because
they're stacked, and the NFC a little easier to make it.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Maybe I feel like I think I feel like it's
shifted about during the season.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I think the Eagles and the Cowboys kind of even
that out.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Yeah, to get the Cowboys and somehow here.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think it's legit. I give you one more.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Last one at five and five and currently out of
the playoff picture. Do you think the Bill's Super Bowl
window is closing. I don't think the window forever is closing.
I think it's the season that door's almost shut.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
They have to win. They can. There's still enough game
for them to just win. They have a good quarterback.
Do you think the door's still opening a little bit?
I think the door is not locked, but it's closed.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I think you're at Okay, so you're at a hotel
and the door is closed. However that latch on the
inside and make sure it's housekeeping cant come in. That's
not up yet. Okay, so it's not. So there's still
a way to get in if you have a key,
and a lot of things have to happen to get
a key, though. I think I have to win everything,
don't they. Well, their next three games, the Jets they'll win.

(20:11):
I do feel like they'll win that game. I think
if they can go two and one in the next
three because they're playing the Eagles and the Chiefs after that.
I feel like if they can go two and one
and then win the other, I feel like they have
a shot. But Josh Allen's there until twenty eight. Digs,
he's the old school Prima Donna wide receiver in a

(20:33):
place where they don't really like it's that culture does
not it's not warm to that. So and Digs is
there untill twenty seven. He signed that deal last year.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, twenty twenty two, yeah, yeah, so or what a
year we have season.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Four? So I don't think it's closed all the way,
but I think it's going to be very difficult for
them to But listen, Cincinnati is a team now that's
not going to be in the way when you're talking
about all those in the hunt teams that go up
on the screen, the teams that made it. But then
also in the hunt, Buffalo is gonna be there. I
think they're going too. Out of three, they got it.
They have a chance to actually do it all right,
there you go. That's the title title. Thanks the title

(21:11):
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I don't know we've hit one all year, have we? Yeah?
I think week two early of this whole whole show.

(21:32):
Like last year, there was a point where I was
ten weeks in a row is unbelieved. I'm getting average out. Yeah,
some years are better than others. Man, It's just that
that's a terrible Michelobs slogan. Rice Is it better than
some days some day? So No, I don't know. I
just think that I looked over it. We're all going

(21:52):
to pick one game. Yeah, don't be the weak link.
That's the goal. I'm saying it to myself too. Don't
be the week link. Allright, Kevin, we're doing three games here.
What is your game?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
My game is Michigan the Hardballs going out there against
Maryland at Maryland minus nineteen.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Man, that's the game of the week. That's a tough one.
I just hate I hate gambling on the game of
the week because why is it the game of the
game of the week. Is it Michigan Michigan Maryland? Oh,
that's not the game of the week. I'm one week behind.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I thought next week, I'm gonna that's crazy. Yeah, so
Michigan minus nineteen, Yes, Maryland, I'm gonna go Kansas State
in that point five, which we've learned is a massive deal.
They're minus seven and a half at Kansas, and Kansas
is pretty good. However, we've been there. Kansas just lost
our coach. What the Michigan State is he doing it?

(22:43):
I think, oh, yeah, you're right that actually you're right,
so smart. Kansas State really good team. Anyway, rivalry game,
Kansas doesn't have their coach. If I were Kansas, no,
he's still our coach. We suspended a priestill and science.
Come on, guys, get mad, That's what I would do.
But I got Kansastate minus seven and a half at Kansas.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Eddie, I'm gonna go Oklahoma State money line over Houston.
For some reason, I think it was Oklahoma State my
minus seven over Houston. I thought that was, like, I
don't know, it's a little weird because Houston's not that
good of a team. They did what they beat Texas?
They almost beat Texas. How did that go?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think that almost be they played they played Texas close. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, it's something like that. So I think that drives
the line a little bit. But I mean, I'm not
worried about it.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Let's just go. Well, you bet you're betting the money
line on a seven point game?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeahah yeah, yeah, I think that helps us a little
be the weaklink. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right, I gotta win some here, right, I.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
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and wire text oping four six seven three six nine.
Now let's get to our interview with Fox Sports Radios
Doug Gottlieb Great Show, Great Podcast. He played point guard
at Oklahoma State. He holds all of Oklahoma State's assist records.
He's top ten in the NC double A still and assists.
You can listen to a show daily on Fox Sports

(24:20):
Radio from three to five Eastern follow him at Gottlieb Show.
Here is Doug Gottlieb. Doug, what's up? Man?

Speaker 8 (24:26):
All good man?

Speaker 7 (24:27):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I was looking at the Wikipedia for all time assists leaders,
and I had known that you were one of the
top ten NC double assist leaders of all time. I
would just be obsessed with making sure that nobody was
coming up on me. Do you look and see who's
approaching so you don't get knocked off the top of
the list.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
It's like the guys that are good enough usually go pro.
You know these COVID year guys. You're worried about guys
getting fifth in six years coming up beating you. Oh yeah,
last year, Noel whatever from Kansas State. Huh Marquis Nowell, Yeah,

(25:04):
he was getting really close to my single season in
the Big twelve, and had they won in the Elite eight,
I was cooked and he was like really close. I
think he finished like three short of me. So I
hadn't been in that position before. But I was like, yeah, dude,
like anybody who says they don't give it about their
records is fully you know, like you want something for posterity.
I used to be seventh, and the guy who's sixth

(25:26):
is Greg Anthony. I was literally three short of him.
He played a whole bunch more games than I did
because they went to they won a national championship, and
they went to the national semi finals. Right, But like,
I'm still bitter because my junior year, when I led
the country and assist, I was in the doghouse for
eight games. So I actually, in overall average, that was

(25:49):
the fewest minutes per game I played in my career.
And so obviously had I not been the doghouse, or
my coach just like benched me for a game or
not played me for a game like you mentioned me
just like one game, Hey, you don't play, it wouldn't
have hurt my average, but it would hurt my average
but when or my average, but my overall total would
have been lower. But I went through a stretch for

(26:10):
I was playing like eight or ten minutes anyway, So
then you're like, if he hadn't done that to me,
I would have been like third or fourth all the time,
you know, so there's a yes, I definitely pay attention
to it. I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I saw Gary Payton as below. That's pretty cool. You're
above Gary Payton.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
Yeah, but he did all kinds of others.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
It doesn't matter. I just see a list and Gary.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
Payton that's true.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Who yeah, who cares? So a big fan. Been listening
to you forever. Obviously we've established kind of a personal
relationship as well, so I really appreciate you coming on here.
A couple of things I wanted to talk with you about.
First of all, as being an assist guy, did you
ever feel like teams knew you wouldn't shoot, like they're like, yes,
it was just back off. And do you feel like
you had to then have games where you would prove

(26:52):
you could still put up fifteen to.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
Twenty Yeah, but I couldn't. There was like three games,
So I mean, it's really interesting because like forever in
the Big Twelve, all being known as a guy that
could make every pass, but you know, couldn't throw it
in the ocean. And my last Big Twelve tournament game
we played Iowa State. That Iowa State team was probably
the second best team in the country that year. They

(27:13):
lost to Michigan State in the Elite Eight, who ultimately
won the national championship, and Iowa State AIRYU. Stacey was
the coach and he tells everybody to this day, and
there's other guys that are head coaches who are assistants
on that staff. But I'll tell you that their whole
game plan was not just to let me shoot, but
also when I drive, they'd fake and then make me finish.

(27:35):
Because I got to this point where like all I
did was pass, you know. It was like it was
like the Yipps at first, and then it just kind
of took over my game and it was it was
literally playing without a jump shot. It was really hard,
and there were a couple of games where it went away,
where the like anxiety of it went away, and like

(27:56):
I had nineteen against Southern Miss. I had my last
home gome against Oklahoma. I had two big threes. We
played at Kansasite a couple of big threes, but generally
I just mentally, emotionally couldn't get myself to relax shooting,
and everybody in the league knew it. So it was
really it's actually like you ask people like what I

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was able to accomplish, especially like my senior year is
kind of gratifying, because literally played without a jump shot,
and that's hard. It's like living without one of your senses.
So all the rest of your senses become heightened, but
that one sense is really really hard to play without.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do you feel like you lost your shot as you
got older and specialized more meeting in high school? Could
you fill it out better?

Speaker 8 (28:42):
Oh? Yeah, yeah. I mean I wouldn't have been recruited
and been rated as highly as I was if I
couldn't shoot. I mean I was never step Curry, but
I pattered my game after Bobby Hurly, and you know,
he got to be a better, better shooter. In college,
I was a I scored, I was the ultimately scored
in my high school. I had forty four in a game.

(29:04):
I could shoot and score well enough, but I'm ultimately
a bit of, I think, a control freak. And so
part of what happened early in my career and then
at Notre Dame and then at Oklahoma State was, you know,
I wanted to control who got the shots and kind
of be the hero by creating opportunities for my teammates.
And I also I got big and strong, and I

(29:28):
think I lost some of my touch. And then when
I lost some of my touch and I was trying
to control things, you know, then your shooting percentages go
down and down and down, and then you just kind
of get in this mentality of Okay, if I just
do what I can do best, and if I don't
miss a shot, I'll never come out of the game.
I hated coming out of games, and it worked against

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me because I figured if I don't miss, well, you
can't take me out. So if I don't shoot, I
can't miss. So I just wouldn't shoot, and then ultimately
people would dare me to shoot, and then it became
really difficult.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
If I'm making sense, would they ever talk trash and
be like you can't shoot? He hey, you can't shoot
shoot it? Shoot it every game?

Speaker 8 (30:06):
Really every game, every game, and it's you know, you
sit there and literally the hardest thing to do, I
think is you're wide open every time you get It's
like Ben Simmons, how they is like, you're open. You
can shoot the ball anytime you want, and it's technically
an open shot, you know. And again this is also

(30:26):
remember this is in like ninety nine, two thousand. So
what my so, like my coach at the time, like
taken in a good better shot, Like it's actually a
better shot to shoot a three where you can make
if you make you know, three out of ten, it's
it's equally as good as making you know, four out

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of ten or five out of ten two's. And so I,
you know, if I can go back and do it,
I would have sat down my coach and be like, look, man,
you gotta let me. Just let me do. Let me
shoot what I'm open, don't take me out out take
me out when I turned down open shots, and if
I make a couple, everything else will open up. But
I didn't, you know, I was intimidated, and I was

(31:08):
in my own head, and you know it, it became
really really hard, and I take a personal sort of
pride from it. You know. The way I tried to
work it in my mind was if I sucked athletically,
or if I sucked at others, they wouldn't they wouldn't
play off me, right, There'd be no fear of me, period.
But the reality is it's hard for me even to

(31:29):
go back and watch or show my kids my kid
that the way I played, because it's kind of embarrassing
when guys playing five feet offee and you don't shoot.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Could you go back and take tape and appeal and
be like, no, this was an assist. You guys did
not count it. I need to move up the layers
two assists from this game because I'll be doing that crap.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
It's a great question and the answer is one time.
So we played against UNLB and a really a guy
who's become a really good friend of mine's thing is
Mark Dipple. Mark is Australia and Mark was there point guard.
And so we played them my junior year when we
stomped them, and that was when I came out of
the dog. I was in the doghouse. I was going
to leave the team. And I had a great game

(32:09):
in Vegas, and as as chance would happen, we played
them again my senior year, also in Vegas, and so
we get down. We mollywomped them, and I remember I'd
always gotten a statue half time and after the game and
I grabbed a statute and I had like four assists,
and I was like, what the you know, this is

(32:31):
some bowl and our other our assistant coach was my
coach's son, his named Sean Sutton, who was also point guard.
And he's like, oh, there's some you know. Like so
we actually went back and I was and I know
in my mind about how many I had, Like I
was like, I think I had thirteen or fourteen. And

(32:52):
we went back and like literally by definition of assist
it was like twelve. And I was trying to you know,
I was trying to lead the country again. I was
trying to get the all time mark, which is Bobby
Hurley's mark, which is probably out of reach. So we
sent it BA, We sent it to the NCAA and

(33:12):
they get I think they gave me nine gave me
nine A sists. So that was the only time we
ever did that. And really, like here's here's how crazy
in what a small world Oklahoma State is. And you
know this from your time with your TV show and
go into all these small college towns. Right is the
guy who kept stats at Oklahoma State is named Lee Manser.

(33:37):
Lee's son Brendon, played there. Lee was my marketing professors.
Matter of fact, my last course that I had to take,
I took correspondence my senior year. I had three hours
left and it took me four years to complete it.
But like he was a hard ass, not just like
literally correspondence courses. He could have just gave me a
CEA or whatever. I had to do all the work.

(34:00):
But it's the same way with statting. Like I my
stats weren't great at home all the time they weren't.
It wasn't like they pumped up my stats. I had
my marketing professor who was screwing me with my stats.
So I know one would you get screwed on the road,
but at home, like lead Manser was, buy the book
an assist and assist. I'm not giving you extras. And
so if you go back and watch tape, there'd be

(34:21):
passes where I turn and I point to my marketing
professor who's keeping the stats for our team. That's a
real story.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Just to remind him, Hey, leap, don't miss that.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
That's exactly what I do. That's an assist. He'd be like, like,
that's an assist.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
Doug Gottlieb show directly.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
To a basket.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
That's the definition of the podcast is really good. It's
all ball with Doug Gottlieb, and you can listen to
it on iHeartRadio wherever you listen to your podcasts, or
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio three to
five Eastern. So a couple of things I wanted to talk.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
I ask you a question, you know, Okay, come on,
let me just ask you one question.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Okay. So I've said this like voy Seat is the
best city that you'll never visit? Yes to a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
And there's Charleston's like that. There's a lot of places
like that. And you traveled this entire country. Heck, I
know you traveled the book. So here's here's a legit question.
All these college towns you've been, you've been to? Where's
the place you're like? I kind of wish I would
have gone here. This is if I could go back
and pick a place, this would be the past.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's funny you bring up Boise because Eddie, what do
I say about Boise? Boise, Man, it's wonderful. What do
I say? It's better than Oh, it's.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Another country, which is no Hawaii, Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That's right, that's right, it's another country.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I said, if I got to pick you feels like
another country.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I when I spent time there when I was doing
my that Geo show. I had no idea how versatile
that city is. It doesn't matter what you want to do.
There's some cosmopolitan part of it, there's the outdoors part
of it, there's the traditional sports part. Boise was awesome,
a little too cold for me, But I often am like,
Boise is better than Hawaii to me, cause I've been

(36:00):
to Hawaii a bunch and I don't even like the beach.
I know you're from California. I like, I grew up
in Arkansas. We didn't have beach. I don't like the beach.
I don't even know what you do. You sit there
in the sand. Okay, what do I do now?

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (36:09):
I mean Lake, Honestly, Lake in many ways to be
better than beach. I'm not gonna lie to you there.
Yeah it's warmer. Yeah, there's there's a a lot of
these plus like super fear of dying for me in
like waves. So I'm the guy who grew up in
Orange County and I suck at surfing. My son laughs
at me and says I'm the worst, But I'm kind

(36:32):
of with you. I mean, Hawaii does have incredible hikes.
You know, and and different topography than than we.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Have times out of time zones off in Hawaii can't
work there.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
Yeah, the time zone is really hard.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
So Boys is good. I think Madison was. Content's awesome
if it just wasn't so cold.

Speaker 8 (36:50):
I think it's it's it's so freaking cold there.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, we went really did a show at the
or Film there once and it was winter, and we
had winter in Arkansas. We had seasons. However, we didn't
have lakes that froze over and jeeps would drive on them.
We pulled over the car and Eddie wanted to go
walk out on the lake because it was just frozen.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I'm from South Texas, man, I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
That to me was bizarre. It was awesome. So Madison
is a really cool town. I like passion. I like
almost rabid passion Athens, Georgia, and I'm not saying it
because Georgia is good. I like the climate and I
like the music scene. I think Athens, Georgia obviously is
my favorite, but Athens, Georgia is probably number one with Boise.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
You and I've been so many places urban ones. The
most underrated urban one I think is the University of
Washington because Seattle feels like a different country land. You're like, man,
this is really far from the rest of the country,

(37:49):
but it's close enough to the city. You have the
water right there. It's a cool look in campus. That's
I think my most underrated urban one in terms of
like college town or place that I could I could
totally dig. Like I love Austin. I don't think I
could go to school in Austin. I just feel like,
I don't know if there's so much other stuff going on.

(38:11):
I love at Oklahoma State how it was just all
about the school. New Mexico's kind of underrated. To be
totally honest with you, I like Utah State in Logan,
Utah that that's actually a super the Cash Valley again,
I know you don't like cold, actually very hot, warm
in the summer, and kind of smoggy. It's like, I

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think it's the smoggiest place in the country.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Warm me up, let's go global warming baby.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
It's it's really But if I was gonna pick one
and I was like, man, if I could do it
all over again, I think it would probably be Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
No way, You're out of your mind. You're out of
your mind.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
Well, I took a visit to Tuscal Lusa when this
is before they were really good in football. I had
I trained for from Notre Dame and I was sitting
out of junior college and I went there and uh,
they had I'm Jewish and they have the Jewish training.
The Sammy's through me a party just for me. I
have my own female escort to the party. It was.

(39:16):
It was so cool, like just the South. I don't
know how they do it in the South is really cool.
The only issue I have with schools in the South
is that they care about basketball and the big games,
but they kind of don't give a crap most of
the year, Whereas when I was at Oklahoma State, like
we kind of ran the school and that was very
very cool.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Maybe Tuscaloosa for both of us, is just associated with
an emotion. I just associated with getting the crap kicked
out of me every time we go down and play football,
Like I have to go stand within amongst the statues
here the place.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I'm gonna switch. I want
to switch full miss.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, all miss is awesome. Boxer is awesome.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
I just because like you go. It's like going back
in time when you go to their little town square.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
It's a little rich. It's a little rich for me,
not like cake, like money, and like I didn't have
money for most of my life and it was like
all rich people and like fraternities and sororities. But yeah,
it is.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
It definitely is. I will point out, Bobby, I don't
know if you know this, but you are rich now.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Now, yes, But I still I still feel like I'm
not for the most part.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
He's not talking about cake either, No, right, yeah, no.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
No, Look, I get it.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Like I remember when I was to Notre Dame my
freshman year, and you know, people can google. It's not
hard to find like I screwed up, but it's stupid,
stupid stuff. But I loved some of the spirit of it.
But I did feel like obviously I had never been
to a private school, I wasn't Catholic. But more than anything,
there was a lot of affluence there and I was

(40:48):
just a kid from Orange, California, and it was I'm
not I'm not saying like I walked uphill to school barefoot,
but naked in the snow. You know, it's up both ways,
but I didn't come from a ton and I just
felt like, I remember they had j Crew catalogs that
got delivered to our entire dorm, and dudes who get

(41:09):
the jqu getalog and the others go through and they
this is what I want, and they would tell their
mom whatever and they ordered, and it's like, I didn't
even know what Jake Crew was. Like literally had one
pair of jeans and had my mom got me this
horrendous LLBean parka green Llllbean parka, and that was like
my warm my winter coat, and I anytime it was
below fifty. You talked about Madison and weather. What people

(41:31):
don't know about being by the lake, especially on the
other side of Lake Michigan, is it's not just lake
effects snow. You get lake effect overcast weather. So I mean,
I remember not seeing the sun for the entire month
of November, like literally the sun never came out late
October November and in December and then it got cold

(41:54):
and snowy and it really kind of affected you mentally.
So that's that's the part of that, that side of it.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
That's why I didn't play football in the Big Ten. Oh,
that's it, because it was just too cold for me.
I just didn't feel like for me, that was you know,
the ingredients weren't there. So, speaking of football, a couple
of things here, because I listened to you, and you
have no fear, which I admire in just giving your
opinion and if you're wrong, going hey, you know way

(42:21):
back then, that's kind of wrong. But so I like
that because sometimes I struggle with saying I'm wrong. I
just forget ever said it. I'm like, no, never heard
of it. So let's talk for a second about c J. Stroud. Now,
what did you think of c J. Stroud when he
when he was drafted by the Texans, and then what
do you think of him now? And what's the difference
in your mind on what he can do his ceiling?

Speaker 8 (42:42):
Okay, so we all carry like biases right against guys,
and the problem is you went to a high state
and how many O high state quarterbacks have we seen
that they're throwing the guys thro are wide open?

Speaker 7 (42:56):
You know?

Speaker 8 (42:56):
So like how much skill does it take when you
have It's like the back when USC was rolling and
Carson Palmer was great, Matt Lioner wasn't a good college,
wasn't a great pro quarterback. Why because like in the pros,
you've got to throw guys open. You don't have better
players than everybody else. So I think part of the CJ.
Stroud thing was like the quarterback. The two quarterbacks before

(43:19):
him had both put up ridiculous numbers and weren't good pros,
And you're watching a guy he didn't move around a
ton and he was just kind of okay, again based
upon the billing last year. Meanwhile, Bryce Young I saw
playing high school. I live close to modern day at
friends that are there, and he's always been seen as
this like quarterbacks savant, can read defenses, can move around

(43:42):
and throw, and he's tiny. He's he's by NFL standards,
he's an oompalloomba. You know, he's not part of the
lollipop lollipop game. And I thought, okay, well, outside of
him being small, and there's been small guys Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray,
Drew Brees, maybe he can do it because he has
all these other things. C J. Stroud is bigger, stronger,

(44:02):
But like, does he move that well? Is he really
that good? Is it just that Ohio State has way
better players than everybody else's Ohio State has this like
it's like Alabama. They have all these great wide receivers
and they're just better than nine of the ten opponents
they play. So I carried that against him and I
was like, I don't get it. I don't see him
being star. And then you kind of watch and look.
Last week is the is the perfect example. They had

(44:25):
a big lead, he did throw a big pick, and
they did nearly give away a ten point lead on
the road. But this is I think two weeks in
a row that he's led him on a gigantic drive
and made big plays. What's his ceiling? I mean, I
don't know if he can be a superstar, but you
can't do anything in the NFL unless you have a
dude back there, a guy you can count on, a

(44:48):
guy that can play, can deliver the mail. He doesn't
have to be Aaron Rodgers, he doesn't have to be
Pat Mahomes. But he can't be one of these guys
that stinks. He can't be Zack Wilson. He can't be
a guy that in the real magic to building a
team in the NFL is you got to do it.
During years two, three, and four of their rookie contract
because they don't make much money, and then you can

(45:08):
build a whole roster around them. Houston has that. So
that's where I I do two things, though, Bobby, I
want to make sure I point this out. I will
say that I'm wrong, But I also don't hate saying
when I was right. You know, everybody was like, you know,
I don't want to be that guy.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
No.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
I like being that guy. I really like being that
guy that says yet no, I like to say I
told you so, what about that? That's why it works
for me.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
The situation in Michigan right now, is this going to
get worse before it gets better? Or will we just
look back at this and laugh in three years.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
I think we'll look back and laugh three years. It's stupid, stupid,
you know, I mean, look, was there Hubris? Is that
why they sent some ex marine out on the road
to go? And yeah, and like he put everything under
his own name, like they weren't even trying to hide it.
But like this idea of a dance scouting, I mean,

(46:01):
I don't know if you know this story. Mike Leach,
the late Mike Leech, who of course was at Mississippi State,
Washington State and Texas Tech, and there's a story you
can google and see it online. He was the offensive
coordinator at Oklahoma Bob Stoops's first year nineteen ninety nine
two thousand and they beat Texas and the famous story
was they left a scatter report mistakenly on the field

(46:23):
at the Cotton Bowl before the game, and then they
knew Texas thought things were coming and they did the opposite. Right,
this stuff's been happening. Like I played football growing up,
and I remember like we used to line up with
our backs to the other team in case they were
spying on us. High school football teams think somebody's spying that.

(46:43):
So everybody assumes somebody's looking and trying to find your signals.
You know, basketball teams they used copy or they go
to a tournament and they find your hand signals and
your calls. They wouldn't have three different signs and guys
you know, you know, doing the Larry Moe and Curly
if they didn't think somebody was saying I just I

(47:04):
think part of it is people don't really like harball.
Part of it is there is some a ton of
arrogance there with Michigan, and part of it is like
we've crept in this era now where everybody has a
cell phone, so there's no real secrets, right, and we
knew this was going on, and there's counterintelligence going on

(47:27):
as well. It looks bad they're holding harball out and
I'm only interested in what happens against Ohio State if
that somehow changes the tenor of the game. I don't
think he makes play calls. I don't think he does
a ton game day outside of that one decision. Do
we go for it, do we not go for it?
Do we punt here? Do we go for it? You know,

(47:47):
like the last and final word you're missing and the
adjustments at halftime for a guy who you know played
at every level and played well and then has coached
at every level and coached well. So I think those
things you are missing. But yeah, we're gonna look back
and go really, you know, it's like you know this,
the SEC was buying kids long before nil, like that's

(48:08):
the best advantage you can have have better players than
the other team, whereas the Big Ten like this is cheating.
The SEC has to be laughing at the Big Ten.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Speaking of the SEC, my final question here is Texas
A and M who I understand who would take the job,
somebody that wants to get paid. But I mean the
expectations for that program seem now to have outgrown actually
what that program can do. Your thoughts on that job,
who who will? Who would be good there? And why
in the world would they take it?

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Nothing says college football more than Texas A and M. Okay,
Because if you were to write down what you need
to be successful in college football, right, Okay, you need
to be in a location close to proximity where players are.
Can you get any better than an hour and a
half from Houston? You cannot. You need to have resources.

(48:58):
They got everything, got money. They're paying a dude's seventy
six million to not coach. Oh what what you know?
You need resources, financial resists, you need facilities, You need
a passionate fan base. You need some history. They don't
have much recent history, but I mean they had Manziella, Hell,
they had Kyler Murray, like they had dudes there. You
need all these things, and yet they still are the

(49:21):
exact same program they were in the decade plus they
were in the Big twelve. Right, they're like eight and
five every year. And it's one of those things where
it feels like the more they want it, the tighter
they grip it. And look, let's also be honest, that
place is it may not be a cult, but it

(49:41):
feels a little like a cult, right, it just does.
Like am I am I an alternate universe? And you
asked about places that you would go, Like, that's kind
of a place where it's not really my jam, but
I can understand if it was your jam. Like, no
one loves their school and loves their thing more than Agris,
but they just have two many meddlers. You know, they're
like the high school. They like the youth football team

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that has all the players, but all the parents are
trying to coach from the stands. That's the only explanation
for why they can't get it right is they have
so many people meddling that the second they lose, it's,
you know, the world is crashing down on us. Who
wants that job? I mean, look, it's a you can
you can retire on that money. But it feels like

(50:28):
in every sport there's a job like this. In the NBA,
it's the New York Knicks. How many guys have taken
that job? Like I can fix the New York Knicks.
If I win, They're going to have a ticker tape parade.
You know, in the Valley of champions everybody thinks they
can do it, and no one's done it, you know,
And that's college. This is the college football program that
there's no reason that they can't have their moment to shine,

(50:51):
you know, because they have everything everything. There's zero reason.
And they've hired like that's a guy that's won a
national championship and won a national championship when he was
at LSU as well on saban staff, Like he's not
an idiot. Like his ego might be out of control,
but he's not an idiot. Dennis Francioni he won everywhere
when he got there, couldn't win there, and they had

(51:13):
dudes when someone was there, they could never figure it out.
I just think it's one of those jobs where it
looks really really good because it checks all these boxes,
but when you kind of get down to it, you're
like kind of a cult. Everybody's got an opinion. The
second things go bad, people bail on you. I don't know,

(51:34):
I get why. And here's one other thing. Nil has
changed one thing in college sports. It used to be
about location, location, location. You can't win a national championship
at Oregon because there's no in state players. Well, now
doesn't matter because players can fly their family in, fly

(51:54):
their girls in whatever. And the Big Ten is a
national conference. Every game's on TV, and as long as
you play, you know they'll probably find a way to
play a game of year. In the state of Texas,
I think you'll be okay. So it's look around the sport.
Location matters less than it ever has before. And so
a lot of these other coaches are like, I don't

(52:15):
know what I like to get paid, sure, but do
I want to put up with all that crap where
I have to worry? Because remember, you're not just dealing
with boosters. Now with nil you have to deal with agents, parents, players,
transfer portal stuff. As the second you see a kid,
he wants to leave administrators. And it's even political. In
the state of Texas, you got governors that want to

(52:36):
meddle with what you're doing in football. So it's a
complicated gig. That's why it makes a lot, and somebody's
going to take it. But I don't know if anybody's
found that kind of cure for football cancer, because that's
exactly what an M is.

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We're gonna go down talk with Joe Fortenbaugh. ESPN's Joe Fordenbaugh,
who is a betting analyst for ESPN bet Live that
was known as Daily Wager. He's also a co host
on ESPN Radio's daily radio show, It's Carlin Versus Joe.
You can follow Joe on Twitter at Joe Fortenball. Here
he is Joe Fortenbaugh. Hey Joe, how's it.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
Going, Bobby? I'm well today? How are you?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Hey? Good? I was, I've been following you for a while.
But what's to me to move to Vegas and live
the lifestyle in Vegas and tried to learn from others
that are our sports better people in the know? Is
there actually an in the no in Vegas? Like what
is the in the know?

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Sports betting wise? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Like no, like sports betting? Like who how when they're
set in these lines? And I'm sure when you're living
there and you're in the mix, who's set in the
lines and who? And how do they know?

Speaker 7 (55:14):
So you've got well, it depends on what type of
sports book you're talking about, right, Like you go to
a sharp book with smart guys, the Westgates one of them,
Circus one of them. Those are two examples. They've got
teams of guys there that talk these lines out, they
originate the lines. They'll say, this is what we make
it they'll post it and they'll go from there. Other
places will just copy what they do and they'll let

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that number get beat up a little bit by professional
betters and all that, and when it rounds in the form,
then they'll post it so that they won't have as
much liability. But the guys who do it are very
very bright. They sit in a room, they have their algorithms,
their models, their opinions, and they talk it out and
they post. Sometimes they get hit, but for the most part,
like with the guys that work at the Westgate, those

(55:56):
guys are very very bright.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I always feel like they know somebody they call like
the backup center and they're like, Yo, how's Joe's ankle?
Like is that part of the process too, like actually
knowing stuff?

Speaker 7 (56:07):
I mean they Okay, here's an example. Right the Deshaun
Watson news breaks. Now that point spread is sitting everywhere
at about four and a half. The Steelers are four
and a half point underdog Browns are four and a
half point favorite. Totals around thirty seven and a half.
The second that happens, there's two ways you can go.
Some places pull the line off the board so nobody

(56:27):
can bet it. Some places adjust their numbers, and we
saw it move all the way through three down to
about two or two and a half. Total comes down
from about thirty seven and a half to thirty four.
That moved through three is a very key number. Three
is the most important number in all of football betting
because more games end on a differential of three than

(56:49):
any other number, like twenty four to twenty one, twenty
seven to twenty four. So you want to make sure
you're on the right side of three when a game
is dancing around that key number.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So, oh is it important? Because I just picture it
like TMZ or Harvey Elevan's got people everywhere he has,
you know, he's like given a valet a few bucks
here to always watch. He's got a nurse somewhere. So
I pictured like they're inside people not doing anything nefarious,
but are just in the know that you can call
and be like, hey, you're close to the situation because

(57:19):
they're not making the bets, but they're just trying to
set it up to where it basically it's even on
both sides. So theoretically they would just get the big
the betting money, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
The Jews if you look ideally for a lot of
these places. If you could hang a number at seven
and a half and take a million dollars on the
favorite and a million dollars on the dog, you take
your ten percent, which is one hundred k, and you
walk away risk free. That's a great spot. Some books
like to take a position. They might offer a different
price than everyone else, and they'll say, look, if you
like this side, come bet it here. We'll give you

(57:50):
the best price because we believe it's going to go
the other way. But it's the professionals that are the
ones that have ties to you know, perhaps teams, trainers,
doc guys of that nature are very valuable in terms
of whether or not a guy is gonna play, or
if he is going to play, how healthy he's actually
gonna be.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I know a guy in college ended up being a
weather man, I guess a meteorologist, and people will get
so mad at him when he wouldn't be right about
the weather. And he's like, listen, it's not an exact
I can't tell you exactly what's going to happen, but
I can give you based on all the indicators, all
the knowledge, all the so I would imagine here you
are and now it's ESPN bet Live. You guys have
changed in like five or six days ago. Guys changed it, right,

(58:28):
like rebranded it.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
Yeah, we launched the book. Yeah on Tuesday, So ESPN
bet now you can go to the app and you
can make bets. The TV show rebranded last Friday. It
went from ES it went from Daily Wager to ESPN
bet Live. So that's all rolling out this month. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I love Daily Wager, but now it's ESPN bet Live.
So to make sure audience knows that's that. But are
people ever mad at you if you're like, I feel
pretty good about this game and then maybe it doesn't
happen like you think. Are your buddies like Joe that
you're this freaking specialist?

Speaker 7 (58:56):
Oh oh, are you kidding me? First of all, if
you get it right general, everyone goes, well, yeah, of
course you got it right. I knew that too. If
you get it wrong, that's where it's all on you.
Last night, it's a perfect example. Maction college football really
liked Western Michigan plus the four and a half. They
lost twenty four to nothing. Terrible result, and you wake

(59:16):
up and the mentions let you know it. The thing is,
what are you gonna do. Are you gonna dwell in that?
Are you gonna let that stuff bother you? No? You
got to sit there and realize, Look what went wrong
with this game. Was it my process that was flawed?
Or did I have a good process? Did I get
a good number and I just ended up getting a
bad result? You work through it, You constantly strive to
get better with it. You got to understand you're not

(59:36):
gonna go one hundred percent. That's the one thing a
lot of people they might see you're making six picks,
they jump on one of them, it loses, they get mad.
But if you went four and two, what are you
supposed to do there?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Right?

Speaker 7 (59:46):
Like, long term, you're just trying to focus on getting
the best numbers and putting yourself in the best possible
position to win.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So here's what I'll do. If I'm gonna a losing streak,
and that happens from time to time, I'll be honest
with you. I will bet but a heavy just to
break the streak. I will bet a heavy favorite money line,
and I really won't make much money, but I'll be
able to flip that momentum. In my mind, right, I
believe this is a momentum based sport betting. Yes. And
so the problem is I did this this last week

(01:00:15):
where I bet Buffalo. I bet pretty heavy on Buffalo
just to win, just to win, cause they were the
heavy favorite. They freaking lost. When that garbage happens there,
it makes me not want to bet for a whole
other Like six hours.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Had you thought so when you're looking for the old slumpbuster,
it's only gonna be a favorite, right, You're just gonna
play the money line favor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I'm just trying to get a W. I've had so
many l's. I just need a W. And that's what
I was doing with Buffalo this past week. And I
was like, you know what, because I was like, I'll
put a hundred on it, and then I'm like, you
screw it, the Buffalo's gonna win that. I'm also put
way more up so I can at least make a
little bit. Oh my god, what an.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
Ugly, stupid game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
They end up firing the offensive coordinator Dorsey afterward, But
that to me was a sure bet. There's no such
thing as a sure bet. You have any sure bets
that you were so sure about that didn't work out
for you?

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I mean most recently. It's probably it might not
be the it's probably not the worst one, but it's
the most recent one was Tyson Fury and Francis and Ganu.
Right like Tyson Fury is supposed to be the biggest,
baddest boxer on the planet, Francis and gan who is
not a boxer. My mindset is saying, well, I've got
a great boxer against a guy who doesn't box. I
think the great boxer should win that fight. So I

(01:01:24):
go out there and I'm not gonna lay, you know,
minus eighteen hundred because it's boxing. One shot goes the
wrong way and I'm gonna be in a tough spot
like we're just talking about. But I did go heavy
on Fury to win that fight by a stoppage. Whether
it's Kotko or DQ, that's a prop you can play.
So I end up betting that he gets knocked on
his ass early in that in that fight, and then

(01:01:45):
you can tell very quickly he didn't take it seriously
and he wasn't in great shape, and I just watched
that money go bye bye. So I thought that knockout
was as close to a shirt thing as you're gonna find,
and it was anything but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
And that was a decision, right, you know the decision.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
He wont a very tight this yeah contested decision.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, it looked like to me lost the fight, But
I get it. Listen, boxing protects their jewels for sure, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, so Joe, So do you hear about these sharks
that live in Vegas? Is it possible to have a
long career as a gambling shark or is it just
short lived?

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
Yeah? No, there's I moved there in twenty eleven. I
was living in Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is where I'm from,
and I was writing for a football website and I
wanted to write about sports betting. I had been doing it.
I always love betting. I didn't know anything about it
anything at all. So I decided, you know what, I'm
packing up. I had no life, no girlfriend, nothing, I'm
living at home. I had virtually no money. I had

(01:02:41):
a two thousand dollars credit card that was maxed out.
I said, I'm going to move to Vegas. I'm going
to get to know all the bookmakers in town. I'm
going to get to know all the professional betters in town.
I'm going to learn how this works. And one day.
If it gets legalized, maybe I'll have a shot at
working for a bigger network. A lot of things happen
in between, but it eventually does lead to that. But
the point is when I out there, I was meeting
as many of these guys as I possibly could. Some

(01:03:04):
of them you can obviously find on Twitter social media.
They're also out there promoting their stuff. They're making money
that way. Some of them love to operate in the shadows.
But the thing is they do this for a living.
I was in a meeting once. I don't think they
do it anymore, but it was called the Tuesday Meeting.
During football season, every Tuesday, at a specific restaurant, fifteen
guys in the industry would get together and they'd go

(01:03:25):
around the table for three hours talking about every college
football game and every pro football game, and they'd be
sharing notes. And I remember a guy in that meeting
when it was done, going to the airport, getting on
a plane flying an hour and a half north to Reno,
specifically to bet one game. Because the point spread at
a sportsbook in Reno was half a point better than

(01:03:48):
any sports book in Vegas, it was worth it to
him to get on a plane fly to Reno and
bet up there for that half point. That's the type
of mindset and discipline you have to have if you're
gonna win long term.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
That's crazy. Yeah, before social media and the ability to
sell or have people subscribe to you, I think it'd
be really hard to make money because you're only actually
making money by well betting or beating people up.

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
Ah with the betting. It's there's a couple things that
come into it. There are guys that are really good
at understanding that the point spreads are off. Whether it's
golf is becoming very popular, whether it's football point spreads,
hockey money lines, whatever it may be. There are guys
that are really good with their models in terms of

(01:04:34):
finding that the numbers that are off. The thing is
they also need outs and they need to be able
to get down large amounts of money, and that's a
game within a game. You know a lot of these guys.
Once you get good at this, sports books will either
ban you or limit you. Not all of them, but
a lot of sports books will say, you know what,
you're too good for us. We don't want you playing here.
It's like guys that know how to count cards as

(01:04:56):
soon as a casino understands you're gonna beat them at blackjack,
They're going to ask to leave, They're not gonna let
you play, so you need to be able to get
that action down. Billy Walters, who just released a book,
one of the most famous sports betters of all time.
There was a whole network of beards, individuals who would
never be looked at or second guest placing a two

(01:05:17):
hundred and fifty thousand dollars wager because they might be
a celebrity, they might be a famous movie star, something
of that nature. So the sportsbooks would allow it. Billy
would partner with these individuals. You know, there's a book,
Michael Koenik wrote the book, The Smart Money. It's basically
about that, and there are rumors as to who some
of the individuals were, but Hollywood stars that would come
in that befriended Billy and they would place bets on

(01:05:38):
his behalf because he wasn't allowed to he was too good.
But he needed to get, you know, f one hundred
thousand dollars down, so he'd used people like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
That's crazy. Final two questions for Joe, which, by the way,
ESPN bet Live, that's what it's called now. If you
guys used to watch Daily Wager, which I did, it's
now ESPN bet Live. Also Carlon and Joe on ESPN
Radio Midday. Okay, final two questions. If someone like Taylor
Swift or specifically Taylor is at a game, and I
know there probably aren't a lot of betters who are
Taylor fans, I don't think that vin diagram is a

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massive circle coverage.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
Could that ever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Change a line though, because everybody's like, let's go bet
for Taylor. Where it would actually move it a half
point or a point.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
Points spreads highly unlikely. Props, Yes, and we've seen this
with Travis Kelce. Props. His number says receiving your yardage total.
I mean, don't quote me on this, but it might
be in the neighborhood of seventy four and a half
something like that for a specific game. Once you start
hearing that Taylor Swift might be there, you'll see that
number generally go up. Whether it's Travis Kelce to score

(01:06:36):
a touchdown, over receptions, over receiving arts, all the positive stuff.
You won't see it going the negative. You won't see
it going the other way. You'll see it going up
for a couple of reasons. Number one, I think sports
books know they're going to take more Kelsey money, so
they might try to get ahead of it, or they
do end up taking a lot of money and they
have to adjust as a result. But she's not I
haven't seen her effect the point spread, but I have

(01:06:57):
seen her effect props.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Hilarious. It's just funny, and I would think, based on
he really wants it, So let's go, let's bet the yards.
Final question for you, Joe, I.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
Mean, imagine, imagine if the Chiefs get to the Super
Bowl and they're still dating and she's there. Like we
already get thousands of prop bets, the amount of Taylor
Swift prop bets will have specifically pertaining to her. I
can't even imagine. It'll be outrageous.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, that'll be annoying and awesome at the same time.
Final question. I know you're a big ten guy, Penn
State guy, but I do want to talk about Michigan
briefly in that in just the betting space. So Harbaugh
is not able to be on the sidelines obviously and
be at these games. He can be there for practice.
First of all, does that affect the line Secondly, do

(01:07:41):
they ever go like, well, they're probably really mad, so
let's make the line even bigger, like emotional points spread.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
That'll affect the public betters, I think more than it'll
affect the sports books. So sportsbooks have their number and
then they adjust.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
The Penn State game came out somewhere around five. They
were a five point favorite at Penn State. It went
down to four and a half four, but that was
more short money coming in because they like Penn State
to begin with. It wasn't so much the Harba all
news because there were two factors working at play there
that favored Michigan. Number one, Harball was there all week
to help install the game plan, so it's not as

(01:08:15):
if he wasn't around the team. And number two, he
had a self and post suspension the first three games
of the season, so they've already been through this. I mean,
if there was ever a team that was uniquely qualified
to handle playing a game without their coach, it was
them because they had done that three times at the
beginning of the season. So as it moves forward, I
think now that they've proven it against Penn State, you
won't see it affect them in Maryland. The Ohio State

(01:08:37):
game is interesting. We have a look aheadline right now,
Michigan minus five and a half against Ohio State. Mark
that down and then let's see what happens a week
from now as the betters get involved in that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
But they're never like they're extra mad. Let's make it
a little they're so upset.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
That affected petters, Like like I, as a Penn State grad,
knew Penn State was not going to win that game.
They just don't win big games. They don't beat all
they don't beat Michigan. That's just the jaded Nitney lion
in me, and that's my angle on that game. But
when you saw that plane land and all the kids
on that team started tweeting the word bet yeah, and
Tom Brady Bettett, you know that, it's galvanized them. So

(01:09:15):
I don't think the books have taken that into account,
but I think a lot of betters like betting Michigan
because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You guys followed Joe at Joe Fortenbaugh on Twitter. Hey
love what you do. You're your great personality. I don't
know what you off camera, but you're the best on
So congratulations and everything. At ESPN bet Live in ESPN
bet and thank you for the time. Joe.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me. Thanks so much, all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Right, Joe, see you buddy, all right, thanks to Joe
Fordenball appreciate that. Let's talk about some odds and stuff
real quick, guys. MVP odds ready, yep, do you know them? Ati?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
No, Who do you think is the favorite MVP in
the NFL? The favorite would be probably Jalen Hurts. You're right, okay, Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I did not. I wouldn't have gone Jalen Hurts. I
don't went Mahomes again. Just prove me, prove otherwise. First,
but it's Hurts Boom, Mahomes, second, Lamar third, two of four,
Borough five. That's gonna drop significantly. Now you didn't put
that on that shut out about Dak.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Now just move him up to that spot because I mean,
you're Christian McCaffrey plus eighteen hundred?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Which team wins? So where's that he didn't make the touchdowns?
Which team wins the Super Bowl? Odds? Eddie?

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Who is the favorite the favorite to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Let's go Eagles. Eagles are not the forty nine Ers
and the Chiefs are both plus five hundred. Oh wow.
The Eagles are plus five fifty, so their second. The
Dolphins and Ravens come in third. The Lions and Cowboys
of plus one thousand like that that would be two
three so six. That's good money. Cinnati plus fifteen hundred,
that's gonna drop significantly, and the Jaguars plus two thousand.

(01:10:57):
There you go. Patriots are around there. We didn't have
enough room for all the zeros.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
It's a million dollars to one. That's crazy. I mean,
I haven't seen the Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
What happened since Deshan you know, his shoulders out for
the year. Like, what a terrible, terrible, terrible decision they made.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
And you see they're starting a DTR not PJ.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Walker, Yeah, TR down to what do you think that means?
Eddie down to run? D TF? Is that where that's
going from? Who do you think? Who do you think
d TR is? Give him Give them the T, Kevin Thompson,
Thompson as a quarterback, Give him the D. Kevin Dorian, Oh,

(01:11:42):
I don't know who is that. Give him the R.
Kevin Robinson. I don't know my dad, all the other
Thompson Robinson been there all day last night I was
watching the Bengals and Ravens and bet anything on the game,
watching shows my wife. I don't need to bet just
for the sake of betting. But so I stopped watching

(01:12:04):
the games and then I saw that it was going
into halftime. I did not see Burrow leave the game.
I changed it before he changed it, like I changed
a channel. I switched off of Amazon, and we started
watching some show called Spy Best Friend or something I
don't know, and I look over and the Bengals are

(01:12:24):
plus fourteen and a half at halftime, and they're only
down fourteen points, and I'm like, wait, how in the world.
So I'm like, oh, I caught it at the right time.
Burrow's not gonna lose by this many points.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
You're like, I'm getting a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Let's go. So I throw a thousand dollars on Cincinnati
with the points and I'm like, let's go. And then
I'm like, well, if I feel like they're going to
score these points, they're easily going to cover the fifty
and a half. So I'm like, let's go. I'm all in.
I'm putting another thousand bucks on the over. We finished
the show, I turn it on it ain't Joel Burrow.

(01:12:57):
And I'm like, oh my god, what did I do?
And so I text Eddy and I'm like, I'm done.
You said I'm an idiot. I didn't even look. I
blindly jumped on because I thought Burrow was the quarterback
and I would have lost both bets had they not
had a miraculous junk touchdown at the very end that

(01:13:18):
allowed me to cover and then allowed me to hit
the over. So I won both thousand dollar bets.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
It's crazy. All on the last drive. This a junk drive.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Yeah, a meaningless like a back door junk drive, garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Two thousand dollars. That's crazy, dude, it's pretty good. I'm like,
it never works out for me that way. And you
never bet for the sake of betting. No, it was
just random. I just saw I thought, well, these are
just great. Let me jump on real quick because Burrow.
There's no way Burrow is gonna lose. Then I then
I go, oh, that's why I am, because he's not
even in the game. Of a couple other things. I

(01:13:57):
have one team in myminator that's left. There were ten
thousand entries. It's like a million dollar prize. They're only
eight hundred and forty two left right now. Wow, started
with ten thousand, over ten thousand. Now they're eight hundred
and forty two left. So I have five favorites this
week that I can pick from that I haven't used.

(01:14:18):
There are a bunch of underdogs as well. But of
the favorites, I can have Washington, who's playing the Giants,
I haven't used them yet, Detroit or I find I'm on
the list here, Detroit who's playing Chicago. Nine and a
half point favorites, Houston, which we talked about earlier. No,

(01:14:41):
the Chargers, which god dang, I don't think they I
never have many Packers, or Denver, which they're better, but
they're playing Minnesota, right So those are the five favorites,
like there are all the other games, all the other
teams because also on my list that I could pick
any time if I stay live, the Rams, Minnesota, Philadelphia,
Green Bay Sincin Now which I didn't pick them now
they're dead, Arizona, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, the Jets, Chicago, Carolina, Tampa,

(01:15:07):
Bay Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
You saved Philly, huh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I still have Philly left. Yeah, So I'm not gonna
pick them this week though, because Philly is they're a
dog of the Chiefs and they're playing the Chiefs and
I just yeah, so who would you take Lions?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Really yeah against the Bears, but Justin Field is back. Yeah,
but still they just gotta win, right, not cover, just win, just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Win, Yeah, just win, just win, baby Eddie. Commanders.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I think that's what I'm taking Commanders because against the Giants.
They're against the Giants, and Commanders, I mean, you don't
know how they're gonna I don't know, and they're all
all season they're just like all no.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
But it's a giant I know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
But this this week I can say I know, got.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
It, got it all right. Let's let's walk through them
real quick. Weekend preview and c double A. Michigan at Maryland.
We feel like Michigan's gonna run with that one. Yeah,
we won't do spread. Chattanooga at Alabama, that's an easy
game for Alabama. I don't know, might pull going on.
The Louisville Miami game is interesting. Miami is a one
point favorite. Louisville's a top ten team, super interesting. I

(01:16:11):
haven't seen him after that Notre Dame game, so I
don't know. But just they're a top ten team. Yeah,
and they're a point underdog. Yeah, the team with four
team Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
And but we've talked about this, like when when the
odds are like that, like, yes, they know something's up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Florida State playing North Alabama, there'll be nothing there. Georgia
and Tennessee is an interesting game that might be the
one of the games of the week here, although I
think that Georgia will probably hand elite put it to them.
But Tennessee got embarrassed last week. Yeah, so that would
be a reason. I think they could come out. They're
gonna get mad. Maybe you see drink witz uh half
after the game, shaking hands. Yeah, like we're staying on business. Yeah.

(01:16:46):
I liked it. I wouldn't have liked it as my team,
but I liked it. It's fun. Yeah, Ohio State's gonna
what Minnesota Oregan's gonna whoop bearers on a state that's
not a game. The Washington Oregon State game is probably
the other contender for the game of the week, which
I think right now it looks like it's two point five.
I think Washington runs with it. I'm taking Washington, even
though there's supposedly a dog Texas Iowa State, Texas should
win that. Missouri and Florida, that's one of those games

(01:17:08):
that I could definitely see Florida winning, even though they're
not that good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Yeah, I'm surprised Missouri's eleven point favorites. Now, it's like
everyone's on that train.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah. And then Kansas State and Kansas is a good game.
They're both top twenty five teams. They're in Kansas. I
feel like Kansas State hopefully win's that. Let's go baby
and covers Ema. Thank you NFL preview. You guys want
to pick the games, let me did last time real quick?
All right? Yeah, we talked about the losing the one. Yeah,
last bib did we paid up? He paid up? Last person?
Who are finished? Last? Gotta pay an extra ten dollars?

(01:17:37):
Good to go Steelers and Browns. I go first. God,
the Steelers suck and they keep winning. I'm gonna even
the Browns are the favorite. That's crazy. I'm still gonna
go with the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Steelers terrible tell Steelers, Yep, Steelers, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
So no, nothing lost the man, all right? Bears and
Lions read h I'm gonna go Lions. Lions on Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
We just picked the same team, so nobody loses.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I'll go with the Bears, oh, even though they're big,
dog getting cute.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I hear you. Chargers and Packers Eddie, Oh gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I don't know why I keep believing in Jordan Love.
But give me the Chargers. I'm done with that. Oh
you're done with it? Okay, Packers for me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Chargers Packers, Raiders and Dolphins Yahn, Dolphins read Dolphins, Eddie, Dolphins.
Giants and commanders want commanders, commanders come in. Everybody on
that one. Okay, Cowboys and Panthers, anybody not a cowboy.

(01:18:45):
We're all staying on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
I mean we're all fans now, so Titans and Jaguars,
Jags for meag all Jags Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Okay, we'll see. There's only a few games you gotta
keep track of here. Yeah, I know. Bucks and forty
nine Ers read. I'm gonna go forty nine Ers. Niners. Yeah.
J What are you doing? Oh man, you're a bigger
guy though. The Jets and Bills. Anybody going Jets? No, Hey,

(01:19:16):
I'll go Jets. Okay, I'm going Bill gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Be cute, I'll go I'll go Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Okay, let's go. Let's go Seahawks and Rams Seahawks at
one point, favorite Seahawks and Rams. I're going Seahawks. That
Stafford's back though, Yeah, I know where are they playing
La Ram? There'll be more Seahawks fans.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I'm Seahawks, Rams, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Let's go Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Yeah, give me Seahawks. And then finally Vikings and Broncos.
Josh Dobbs, Baby, Yeah, Vikings, Viking, Vikings, Vikings. I'll go
Bikings too. It's only a few games to keep up
with there, Okay? Cool? And our final segment, we call
this by the numbers. Number one the jersey number of Tua, who,

(01:20:00):
by the way, debut a new hairstyle this week. Have
you seen it? He's rocking the braids? Oh? People say
it looks like Drake. I thought to myself, what if
I come back after Thanksgiving in my hair is in braids?
Think please do that? I would love that. Here you go.
Number two touchdown score by Gus Edwards last night as
the Ravens beat the Bengals, Are they the AFC favorite?
In your mind? I still go? Kansas City? Is you

(01:20:22):
got to be the man? You gotta beat the man.
But I do think they can win it. But I
don't think they're the favorite. But they're running three running
backs now Baltimore is, yeah, which is pretty Gus Dwars
is basically the goal line back. But are they the favorite?
Anybody think that Baltimore is the favorite in their mind? Okay,
are they close? Yeah? Yeah, they're right there. Number three
games that Jim Harball will officially be suspended from the

(01:20:44):
sideline of Michigan because he's accepted as punishment, he'll miss
Maryland and Ohio State. But I also feel like he
was involved in both doing it and the punishment, Like
you got to kind of pick as punishment. It's like
go pick your switch and you go pick it and
you get what buy it. I feel like you got
to pick a switch in that. The number four the
current Saints seed. If the playoffs started today, they'd be
a four seed in the playoffs. Wow. Five and five shocking.

(01:21:08):
What's the Saints ceiling first round loss? Yeah, oh they're out,
So your their ceiling is getting there? Getting there? Yeah? Yeah,
I think their ceiling could be winning one game really well.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
The good thing is they will get it at home
because they're gonna win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I agree. If they win the division, so I say
they can win one game. So what's the ceiling, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah, I'm with you, guys. I think they get in,
but they lose the first game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
The number five the max number of games Arkansas can
win if they win out, which sucks. I f IU
this week and Mazoo after that question is well they
have a new coach. I'm thinking no, now that they're
not gonna fire them. This really my intel says he'll
get another one more year, okay, and I'm good with that.
It's not like they're signing him a new five year deal.

(01:21:52):
I'm good with one. I'm fine with either way. I
don't want to see him fired. Honestly, I think we
need a little stability, even if it has not been
fortunate fortunate for us last couple years. Is kJ a senior,
he could play another year if he wanted to, Okay,
because of COVID, I don't know if he's going to,
but I'm going to say now, I don't think they're
going to hire a new coach from what I'm hearing,
but I heard differently earlier in the week. So the

(01:22:14):
number six six months from now, the PGA Championship at Valhalla.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
We played there, we did, and they talked about that
the whole time we were there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
The number seven Texas ranking in the latest College Football Poll.
Will this be their best chance to make the playoff
since they're gonna head the SEC next year? I say yes, yes,
I don't know. I think it's a lot harder next
year for them. Sure. Big twelve is where you got
to be right now, be perfect, Beau. It's the hard
our our team could win that. The bybone show, suit

(01:22:44):
up and win the Big twelve. Number eight the number
of losses the Patriots have heading into their bye week
on a scale of one to eight. Eight being the hottest,
How hottest Bill Belichick's seat right now? Kevinnar, the Patriots fan, go.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
I'm gonna go with the six. It's hot, but it's
still Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Everybody's act like he's already going to like Washington next year. Yeah,
I go, I like Alex six. Yeah, you're the expert there.
We'll go with that. Over under The number is nine
for the amount of times Taylor will be shown during
the Eagles at Chiefs. Ooh over over overnight. I'm gonna
go under under nine. Yeah, I think she'll be mentioned
a bunch, but I don't think she'll be shown. I
think she'd be shown probably like one and a half

(01:23:19):
times a quarter. What did I read?

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I read that she that Oh, Kelsey's meeting her family
now like parents?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Yeah? Is that it? The parents are meeting their parents.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Oh, the both parents are meeting each other.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Hey, that's a big step. And then number ten the
Jersey number of the best players in soccer. Who's the
best wide receiver to wear number ten the last ten years?
Tyreek Cooper Cupp or de Andre Hopkins Tyreek Hill? I
want to say Tyreek, but DeAndre. Man, I'm gonna go
Cooper Cup. I like it just from production. Sure when
they won a Super Bowl with his production. So I'm

(01:23:54):
gonna go with that. All right, there you go. Do
we need to do our promise? Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
Promise is promm?

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Does mine in already? No? Okay? Cool? All right, that's
so our promises them. We'll get the heck out of here.
Read us to pay for one. But you have a
broken promise? Now, okay, all right, let's get it. How
about Eddie go first?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Man, you know me?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
The Cowboys ten and minus ten and a half at Carolina.
I promise you, guys, we're on a roll. Just keep
rolling with the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Reid promise you something.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Yep, that's the same one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
I'm going with somebody. It's been me for like a
few weeks. Okay, so that's that's reads. Okay, go ahead, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
This one scares me. We've talked about it. But I'm
gonna go with the Steelers plus one against the Browns.
That's that defense is gonna tear up DTR.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
And I'm gonna go with because you are, oh got
Eddie DTF and I'm gonna go only because texting buddy.
I'm gonna g and the game is today tonight, but
it's not gonna be our parlay, so we can I'm
just gonna pick it for fun uts A minus sixteen
Verst South Florida, my boy trailer. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Oh hey, did you come into this episode already picking that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Or is it changed? I changed? Interesting? Can't? The state
was gonna be my deal because I but I gotta
you know. He texted back so quick. I was like,
how can I not like it?

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
I love it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
All right? Thank you guys, we'll see you have a
great weekend. You too. Man. Please follow us at twenty
five whistles and we'll see you. See you soon.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Any blood whistle, Oh yeah, I got you along here,
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Bye body,

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