June 16, 2020 • 17 mins
Just about 200,000 of the estimated 3.5 million truckers on the road today are women - and that number represents a 65% increase over the last decade. Today we catch up with one of them, Ingrid Brown, a 5'2" 50-something grandma who's been driving a rig for over four decades. Calling from the cab of her truck, Ingrid, whose role has been deemed "essential" throughout the Covid-19 crisis, gives us insight into what keeps her happily rolling across the country as she surpasses the 4 million mile mark, looking forward to spending time with her family while simultaneously dreaming about her next journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is on the Job. This season, we're speaking with
folks who are finding their professional stride in a tumultuous
job market and learning how to double down on their
skills and their experience to overcome challenges. We'll bring you
inspiring stories of people making themselves essential, an important skill
set in any economy. As Americans shut their doors and
stay home in the midst of a pandemic, truckers continue
(00:28):
to keep the country moving and stocked up on food
as they always have. It's tough, demanding work that can
keep you on the road for months at a time,
but there are a few jobs that come with the
freedom and purpose that the open road has to offer. Hello, Hi,
how are you doing? Super fantastic? How are you? This
(00:51):
is Ingrid Brown. We hopped on a zoom call while
she was at a rest stop. She was calling from
the cab of her truck. I am actually sitting in
the driver's seat and I am in Abingdon, Virginia. I
just delivered cherries yesterday and they came from Stockton, California.
She won't be here long though. She's headed to Wilkesboro,
North Carolina to pick up a load of chickens to
(01:13):
haul those all the way to Arkansas at least in
eleven hour drive. The truck you're driving right now, does
it have a name? Peach of mind, Peach of mind,
peach Oman. This truck is like this, one of a kind.
She's a piece of mind, but instead'll be a piece
of mind. Peach Amon, white teeth. Here of color. She
(01:34):
sends me a picture. It's this amazing peach color with
teal and white stripes along the sides. It is a
very attractive truck. Yeah, and just like most big rigs
have a name, the drivers also have nicknames that they're
known by over the radio. Do you have a call
name on the radio? I used to go by half pint. Well,
(01:56):
I'm five too, and I used to be skinny and young.
But know what I you know? Ingrid, I'm Ingrid, but
I'm a truck driver, That's what I do. Ingrid is
from Zionville, North Carolina, right near Boone on the Tennessee border.
She's fifty eight and she's been trucking for over four decades,
(02:19):
forty one years in December. I love what I do.
I run forty eighth state to own my own independence,
whole owned company, rolland B and I also drive as
a company driver for Flaner Brothers out of Carthage, Missouri.
Ingrid is one of three point five million truckers on
the American Highway. About two hundred thousand of those are women.
(02:39):
In the last decade, the amount of women in trucking
has increased by sixty five percent, and Ingrid is a
huge proponent of keeping that number growing. Here's my thing.
My steering wheel doesn't know the gender that holds it,
and it really doesn't care as long as it gets
safely from point A to point B. There are all
(03:01):
kinds of different ways you can go about trucking. Some
drivers prefer to specialize in hauling one kind of load,
whether it's veggies or lumber, but a lot of truckers,
like Ingrid, become a jack of all trades and know
how to haul pretty much anything. So you may see
me under a conostogo, which is a curtain sided flatbed,
(03:21):
and haulaw machinery and that kind of thing. Sometimes you
might be driving a refrigerated trailer used for transporting anything
that needs to keep cool. These trailers are known in
trucker lingo as reefers. No, I'm not hauling reefer. I
am pulling a refrigerated trailer, and each individual load she
picks up comes with its own completely unique set of
tasks exactly exactly, And my biggest one, honestly is when
(03:46):
I load, I have to make sure that it's loaded
properly and it's loaded to where it's going to ride
across the country. Any product draft right, toilet paper, produce
cows at the loaded something like peaches. She'll make sure
that her route avoids any rough roads so the fruit
doesn't get bruised before it gets to the market. And
(04:06):
a lot of care goes into hauling her favorite load, cattle,
which she constantly checks on make sure that they're hydrated,
and takes corners real slow to make sure that they're okay.
And I've not met many of the haulk cows that
don't do that because you have kids on board. Yeah,
you've got the babies on board, You care about them,
you take care of them. And even though she takes
(04:28):
extra care of the cows that she hauls, it's pretty
clear that she treats all of her loads as a
precious cargo. Exactly. You don't just shut the doors and
drive down the road. Trucking has definitely become its own
subculture in the last century. It's got its own language,
its own conventions, even its own music. Today some people
(04:49):
call truckers the last of the cowboys, lone rangers roaming
the American landscape. It's a job that attracts a certain
kind of person, independent, curious, so lot of ways Ingrid
was born to do this. I had the greatest childhood.
I was adventurous. Imagine that my dad owned a construction company,
and that's how I got into trucks because I started
(05:13):
learning equipment, and I always said, I'm kind of the
other boy that he never had. She's got an older brother,
but ever since she was young, when her mother hoped
that she would have stayed in frills and dresses, she
was much happier playing in the dirt and riding along
with her dad on the job. The philosophy he instilled
in her as a kid is something that she still
lives by today. He said, you know, there is nothing
(05:36):
that you can't do if you want to do it.
She wanted to drive big trucks, so at sixteen in
high school, she got her permit and started driving dump
trucks with her dad's company. At eighteen, she moved on
to bigger ricks and was hauling asphalt. I get out
of high school and I'm thinking, oh yeah, I'm eighteen.
I'm going to work. I'm going to the road. He's like,
(05:57):
you get an education and then we'll talk. If you
want to truck, you get to school. School was not
Ingrid's thing, so she reluctantly went to college and got
her degree in engineering, and she eventually got hired to
do just that. I was going to build roads. I
was going to have a second career. They put me
on eighty five in North Carolina, and you know, I'm
(06:20):
doing construction engineer and inspection and bridges and all this stuff.
And I kept watching trucks go up throad and down
the road. What were you thinking when you saw those
trucks driving by? What am I doing? So Ingrid went trucking.
(06:42):
Her first big hall was from North Carolina all the
way to California. That first feeling, it almost is so
much adrenaline. I was scared to dance and then you
don't want to quit. Her love for dirt as a
kid translated directly to trucking. She took lots of jobs
where she'd be hauling it all over the place. They
call me mudpuppy. No give me asphalt, Give me dirt.
(07:05):
There's so much can be done with it, and there's
there's things, bridges and roads. There's a way to get
that done and get that to happen. Her love for
dirt may seem extreme, but she gets pretty romantic when
talking about anything that she's hauling. I do I do.
(07:25):
I have this passion because you know what, they mean
something to me, because they mean something to people. This
is the greatest thing I've ever dreamed I could ever do.
If you don't have dirt, what are you going to
build upon? Everything has a purpose and you get to
bring that to people. I try more on a good
(07:53):
story after the break. A strong work ethic, takes pride
in a job well done, sweats over the details. This
is the kind of person you need. Express employment professionals
can help. Finding the best people requires more than sorting
(08:15):
through applications. You need to conduct a thorough search. Express
understands what it takes to hire the right person. It
takes real people, real interviews, discovering the talents you need.
We find good people matching their skills with the right
jobs at Express. We find people for jobs and companies
(08:39):
of all sizes and industries, from the production floor to
the front office. Sometimes finding the best new employee really
is about who you know. Express knows jobs. Get to
know Express. Go to expresspros dot com to find a
location near you. Trucking is a way of life as
(09:00):
much as it's a job. Just like a long haul
from the East to West coast, being a professional driver
as a career takes stamina. How many miles him forties
plus years? I have four point one million, four point
one million miles. I mean I have gentlemen and ladies
that I've seen up in the sixes. To put that
(09:22):
in perspective, Ingrid has driven enough to circle the globe
about one hundred and sixty four times. I asked her
if she had a goal she was trying to hit,
maybe get the six million, But she said no, because
you know what, three years ago I was diagnosed with
melana with cancer. So I've had a third of my
throat out, I've had several surgeries. And here's the thing. Today,
(09:48):
all that matters is today. That's it. Besides doing this
job because she loves it. Her philosophy is it's something
that has to be done, and she says a lot
drivers feel the same way. Some do it for the freedom,
some do it because it can be great money. But
she says, the ones that succeed and enjoy their work
(10:08):
are the ones that recognize the importance of their job.
People need you, people need us, but we need them
as well. I asked how it felt to be an
essential worker in a time where the country especially needs
her to keep driving, even when she's realistically putting herself
at risk by doing it. I would want to do that,
(10:30):
whether it's a pandemic, whether the country's closed down because
people have to eat every day. That's not going to change.
That didn't change before, it hasn't changed afterwards. Talking to Ingrid,
you might get kind of jealous. There's a sense of
purpose in everything she says about a job she's been
doing for forty years. And if you've ever been on
(10:53):
a long drive with nothing but the road ahead, that
sense of freedom, she does that for a living. She
says she remembers the first time she really felt it.
I'll never forget it. I was coming down the road
and I was actually coming eastbound. It was the early nineties.
She was just outside Fort Worth, Texas, on a long haul.
(11:14):
It was barely breaking daylight, barely barely enough that I
could see the white lines to my left. But in
my mirror I could watch him go by, and it
was almost like the whole world wasn't he didn't even exist.
(11:38):
The sun was in front of me, it was coming up,
but behind me was just that little bit of haze.
It was the most peaceful time in my whole career.
The whole world just stops. Nothing exists, nobody has problems,
(12:04):
nothing bad in this whole wide world exists. You're just
in that spot. You're succeeding, and you know it. You're
just you're you know, you're accomplishing. That's what it feels like. Yeah,
(12:31):
in my own experience, I've been chasing this feeling for
a while. I felt it years ago and I got hooked.
So I've tried to make a career where I can
work and constantly be moving, exploring, And for the most part,
I got there before COVID hit. I was traveling the
country for months doing radio work in a new place
(12:52):
whenever I wanted to be. It was about as liberated
as I'd ever felt. That feeling is the reason A
lot of people get into trucking too. You're autonomous, you're
free hand out the window with the open road ahead.
A cowboy. It's a romantic way to live, but I've
learned that that does not come without a price. There's
(13:14):
a lot of time where I really especially if I've
been on the road for months, I really crave roots, stability,
a home. I guess that grass is always greener kind
of thing. Do you feel that? Yeah? Sorry, I mean
(13:39):
this is life. This is life. I haven't seen my
grand babies since before Christmas, and uh, I was pointing
on seeing them at the time that the COVID stuff happened. Um,
sorry that they're my world. We FaceTime all the time. Um,
(14:09):
it's still not the same. You such your priorities, and
sometimes you missed some of those, but you make sure
that they're in this industry with you enough to understand
Ingrid also has an eighty eight year old mother, just
(14:31):
two daughters of her own. She knows she has to
keep doing her job, but she also knows in doing so,
she won't risk carrying COVID back to her family. Recently,
she was at a truck stop and called her grandkids
to check in. My grandson was standing there on FaceTime
and said, Grammy, when are you coming to see us? Grammy,
it's been too long. And my granddaughter, my four year
(14:52):
old granddaughter, literally turned around and looked at him and said, Layton,
grammy delivering food to other people. Wow, how does that
feel for you to hear they get it? You know,
I missed her birthday, I missed his birthday, And it
(15:18):
is what it is for the fact of the situation
in the country. But we make the best of it,
just like everybody else is doing the same thing. We
all want a job that puts food on the table.
We want a job that we can be good at.
But maybe more than anything, deep down, we want work
(15:39):
that makes us happy and gives us purpose being the
person that does what needs to be done. People will
always have to eat, and whether or not it's a
time of crisis, if you're the person making that happen,
like Ingrid, at the end of the day, you can
be sure that you are essential. And when a four
year old says, Grammy taking food to other people, that's
(16:05):
pretty strong. That must keep you going every day from
(16:25):
the job. I'm modus Gray. Thanks for listening to on
the job brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. To
see pictures of Ingrid's truck Peach of Mind, go to
Expressbros dot com slash podcast. This season of On the
(16:48):
Job is produced by Audiation and Red Seat Ventures. The
episodes were written and produced by me Otus Gray. Our
executive producer is Sandy Smallens. The show is mixed by
Matt Noble for Audiation Studios at the Loft in Broxville,
New York. Music by Blue Dot Sessions and mont Plus.
Here find us an iHeartRadio and Apple Podcasts. If you
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(17:10):
show on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. We'll see
you next time. For more inspiring stories about making your
self essential as you discover your life's work, Audiation
This is on the Job. This season, we're speaking with
folks who are finding their professional stride in a tumultuous
job market and learning how to double down on their
skills and their experience to overcome challenges. We'll bring you
inspiring stories of people making themselves essential, an important skill
set in any economy. As Americans shut their doors and
stay home in the midst of a pandemic, truckers continue
(00:28):
to keep the country moving and stocked up on food
as they always have. It's tough, demanding work that can
keep you on the road for months at a time,
but there are a few jobs that come with the
freedom and purpose that the open road has to offer. Hello, Hi,
how are you doing? Super fantastic? How are you? This
(00:51):
is Ingrid Brown. We hopped on a zoom call while
she was at a rest stop. She was calling from
the cab of her truck. I am actually sitting in
the driver's seat and I am in Abingdon, Virginia. I
just delivered cherries yesterday and they came from Stockton, California.
She won't be here long though. She's headed to Wilkesboro,
North Carolina to pick up a load of chickens to
(01:13):
haul those all the way to Arkansas at least in
eleven hour drive. The truck you're driving right now, does
it have a name? Peach of mind, Peach of mind,
peach Oman. This truck is like this, one of a kind.
She's a piece of mind, but instead'll be a piece
of mind. Peach Amon, white teeth. Here of color. She
(01:34):
sends me a picture. It's this amazing peach color with
teal and white stripes along the sides. It is a
very attractive truck. Yeah, and just like most big rigs
have a name, the drivers also have nicknames that they're
known by over the radio. Do you have a call
name on the radio? I used to go by half pint. Well,
(01:56):
I'm five too, and I used to be skinny and young.
But know what I you know? Ingrid, I'm Ingrid, but
I'm a truck driver, That's what I do. Ingrid is
from Zionville, North Carolina, right near Boone on the Tennessee border.
She's fifty eight and she's been trucking for over four decades,
(02:19):
forty one years in December. I love what I do.
I run forty eighth state to own my own independence,
whole owned company, rolland B and I also drive as
a company driver for Flaner Brothers out of Carthage, Missouri.
Ingrid is one of three point five million truckers on
the American Highway. About two hundred thousand of those are women.
(02:39):
In the last decade, the amount of women in trucking
has increased by sixty five percent, and Ingrid is a
huge proponent of keeping that number growing. Here's my thing.
My steering wheel doesn't know the gender that holds it,
and it really doesn't care as long as it gets
safely from point A to point B. There are all
(03:01):
kinds of different ways you can go about trucking. Some
drivers prefer to specialize in hauling one kind of load,
whether it's veggies or lumber, but a lot of truckers,
like Ingrid, become a jack of all trades and know
how to haul pretty much anything. So you may see
me under a conostogo, which is a curtain sided flatbed,
(03:21):
and haulaw machinery and that kind of thing. Sometimes you
might be driving a refrigerated trailer used for transporting anything
that needs to keep cool. These trailers are known in
trucker lingo as reefers. No, I'm not hauling reefer. I
am pulling a refrigerated trailer, and each individual load she
picks up comes with its own completely unique set of
tasks exactly exactly, And my biggest one, honestly is when
(03:46):
I load, I have to make sure that it's loaded
properly and it's loaded to where it's going to ride
across the country. Any product draft right, toilet paper, produce
cows at the loaded something like peaches. She'll make sure
that her route avoids any rough roads so the fruit
doesn't get bruised before it gets to the market. And
(04:06):
a lot of care goes into hauling her favorite load, cattle,
which she constantly checks on make sure that they're hydrated,
and takes corners real slow to make sure that they're okay.
And I've not met many of the haulk cows that
don't do that because you have kids on board. Yeah,
you've got the babies on board, You care about them,
you take care of them. And even though she takes
(04:28):
extra care of the cows that she hauls, it's pretty
clear that she treats all of her loads as a
precious cargo. Exactly. You don't just shut the doors and
drive down the road. Trucking has definitely become its own
subculture in the last century. It's got its own language,
its own conventions, even its own music. Today some people
(04:49):
call truckers the last of the cowboys, lone rangers roaming
the American landscape. It's a job that attracts a certain
kind of person, independent, curious, so lot of ways Ingrid
was born to do this. I had the greatest childhood.
I was adventurous. Imagine that my dad owned a construction company,
and that's how I got into trucks because I started
(05:13):
learning equipment, and I always said, I'm kind of the
other boy that he never had. She's got an older brother,
but ever since she was young, when her mother hoped
that she would have stayed in frills and dresses, she
was much happier playing in the dirt and riding along
with her dad on the job. The philosophy he instilled
in her as a kid is something that she still
lives by today. He said, you know, there is nothing
(05:36):
that you can't do if you want to do it.
She wanted to drive big trucks, so at sixteen in
high school, she got her permit and started driving dump
trucks with her dad's company. At eighteen, she moved on
to bigger ricks and was hauling asphalt. I get out
of high school and I'm thinking, oh yeah, I'm eighteen.
I'm going to work. I'm going to the road. He's like,
(05:57):
you get an education and then we'll talk. If you
want to truck, you get to school. School was not
Ingrid's thing, so she reluctantly went to college and got
her degree in engineering, and she eventually got hired to
do just that. I was going to build roads. I
was going to have a second career. They put me
on eighty five in North Carolina, and you know, I'm
(06:20):
doing construction engineer and inspection and bridges and all this stuff.
And I kept watching trucks go up throad and down
the road. What were you thinking when you saw those
trucks driving by? What am I doing? So Ingrid went trucking.
(06:42):
Her first big hall was from North Carolina all the
way to California. That first feeling, it almost is so
much adrenaline. I was scared to dance and then you
don't want to quit. Her love for dirt as a
kid translated directly to trucking. She took lots of jobs
where she'd be hauling it all over the place. They
call me mudpuppy. No give me asphalt, Give me dirt.
(07:05):
There's so much can be done with it, and there's
there's things, bridges and roads. There's a way to get
that done and get that to happen. Her love for
dirt may seem extreme, but she gets pretty romantic when
talking about anything that she's hauling. I do I do.
(07:25):
I have this passion because you know what, they mean
something to me, because they mean something to people. This
is the greatest thing I've ever dreamed I could ever do.
If you don't have dirt, what are you going to
build upon? Everything has a purpose and you get to
bring that to people. I try more on a good
(07:53):
story after the break. A strong work ethic, takes pride
in a job well done, sweats over the details. This
is the kind of person you need. Express employment professionals
can help. Finding the best people requires more than sorting
(08:15):
through applications. You need to conduct a thorough search. Express
understands what it takes to hire the right person. It
takes real people, real interviews, discovering the talents you need.
We find good people matching their skills with the right
jobs at Express. We find people for jobs and companies
(08:39):
of all sizes and industries, from the production floor to
the front office. Sometimes finding the best new employee really
is about who you know. Express knows jobs. Get to
know Express. Go to expresspros dot com to find a
location near you. Trucking is a way of life as
(09:00):
much as it's a job. Just like a long haul
from the East to West coast, being a professional driver
as a career takes stamina. How many miles him forties
plus years? I have four point one million, four point
one million miles. I mean I have gentlemen and ladies
that I've seen up in the sixes. To put that
(09:22):
in perspective, Ingrid has driven enough to circle the globe
about one hundred and sixty four times. I asked her
if she had a goal she was trying to hit,
maybe get the six million, But she said no, because
you know what, three years ago I was diagnosed with
melana with cancer. So I've had a third of my
throat out, I've had several surgeries. And here's the thing. Today,
(09:48):
all that matters is today. That's it. Besides doing this
job because she loves it. Her philosophy is it's something
that has to be done, and she says a lot
drivers feel the same way. Some do it for the freedom,
some do it because it can be great money. But
she says, the ones that succeed and enjoy their work
(10:08):
are the ones that recognize the importance of their job.
People need you, people need us, but we need them
as well. I asked how it felt to be an
essential worker in a time where the country especially needs
her to keep driving, even when she's realistically putting herself
at risk by doing it. I would want to do that,
(10:30):
whether it's a pandemic, whether the country's closed down because
people have to eat every day. That's not going to change.
That didn't change before, it hasn't changed afterwards. Talking to Ingrid,
you might get kind of jealous. There's a sense of
purpose in everything she says about a job she's been
doing for forty years. And if you've ever been on
(10:53):
a long drive with nothing but the road ahead, that
sense of freedom, she does that for a living. She
says she remembers the first time she really felt it.
I'll never forget it. I was coming down the road
and I was actually coming eastbound. It was the early nineties.
She was just outside Fort Worth, Texas, on a long haul.
(11:14):
It was barely breaking daylight, barely barely enough that I
could see the white lines to my left. But in
my mirror I could watch him go by, and it
was almost like the whole world wasn't he didn't even exist.
(11:38):
The sun was in front of me, it was coming up,
but behind me was just that little bit of haze.
It was the most peaceful time in my whole career.
The whole world just stops. Nothing exists, nobody has problems,
(12:04):
nothing bad in this whole wide world exists. You're just
in that spot. You're succeeding, and you know it. You're
just you're you know, you're accomplishing. That's what it feels like. Yeah,
(12:31):
in my own experience, I've been chasing this feeling for
a while. I felt it years ago and I got hooked.
So I've tried to make a career where I can
work and constantly be moving, exploring, And for the most part,
I got there before COVID hit. I was traveling the
country for months doing radio work in a new place
(12:52):
whenever I wanted to be. It was about as liberated
as I'd ever felt. That feeling is the reason A
lot of people get into trucking too. You're autonomous, you're
free hand out the window with the open road ahead.
A cowboy. It's a romantic way to live, but I've
learned that that does not come without a price. There's
(13:14):
a lot of time where I really especially if I've
been on the road for months, I really crave roots, stability,
a home. I guess that grass is always greener kind
of thing. Do you feel that? Yeah? Sorry, I mean
(13:39):
this is life. This is life. I haven't seen my
grand babies since before Christmas, and uh, I was pointing
on seeing them at the time that the COVID stuff happened. Um,
sorry that they're my world. We FaceTime all the time. Um,
(14:09):
it's still not the same. You such your priorities, and
sometimes you missed some of those, but you make sure
that they're in this industry with you enough to understand
Ingrid also has an eighty eight year old mother, just
(14:31):
two daughters of her own. She knows she has to
keep doing her job, but she also knows in doing so,
she won't risk carrying COVID back to her family. Recently,
she was at a truck stop and called her grandkids
to check in. My grandson was standing there on FaceTime
and said, Grammy, when are you coming to see us? Grammy,
it's been too long. And my granddaughter, my four year
(14:52):
old granddaughter, literally turned around and looked at him and said, Layton,
grammy delivering food to other people. Wow, how does that
feel for you to hear they get it? You know,
I missed her birthday, I missed his birthday, And it
(15:18):
is what it is for the fact of the situation
in the country. But we make the best of it,
just like everybody else is doing the same thing. We
all want a job that puts food on the table.
We want a job that we can be good at.
But maybe more than anything, deep down, we want work
(15:39):
that makes us happy and gives us purpose being the
person that does what needs to be done. People will
always have to eat, and whether or not it's a
time of crisis, if you're the person making that happen,
like Ingrid, at the end of the day, you can
be sure that you are essential. And when a four
year old says, Grammy taking food to other people, that's
(16:05):
pretty strong. That must keep you going every day from
(16:25):
the job. I'm modus Gray. Thanks for listening to on
the job brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. To
see pictures of Ingrid's truck Peach of Mind, go to
Expressbros dot com slash podcast. This season of On the
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