Lots to Say: Fmr NFL Wide Receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh

This week on Lots to Say, Bobby and Matt are joined by T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Matt and T.J. reminisce about the time USC lost to Oregon State, leading to a conversation about the importance of developing off-season professionalism. They discuss the prospects for the Cincinnati Bengals' season, if the sophomore slump is real/how to avoid it, and the Snoop & Housh Flag Football League. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, just said.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lost, Just saved better and we hope you
stay because we got lost.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Just say, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Got lost, Just say.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
They welcome to another week. And what's exciting is we
actually have football, not quite real football, but for the
first time we get to talk about football. Because people
may not know and you may not care, it's been
very difficult for us. Yeah, you should listen to our
sob story. We started with like two weeks left of football.
We've been grinding through non football for like three months.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Seriously, I feel like when we started it was just
getting to playoffs, which was not bad, but then the
Super Bowl ended and then it was all the off
season minutia right looking for septy. Can we please give it?
Give us somebody, somebody get arrested, somebody gets anything to
happen that we can talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Top one hundred and fifteen football movies go. So we're
not doing that anymore. But I did mention it because
I don't wear shoes whenever we do really any show,
and so I'm always checking with Brandon like, are my feet?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, I don't let the dogs in the shot. I
don't let the dogs bark.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
And he's like, not the shot, and then you go,
what's that on your foot? And it's it's a it's
a callous All the work I.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Do all the work right, it's hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
And you said you get it from walking on the beach.
I don't like the beach. I'm not a beach guy all.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
How do you not like the beach? The beach is
majestic water, the waves around a beach. I did grow
up around the beach.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I grew up in Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Oh, Arkansas doesn't have a beach.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
We have no beaches.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
You just have lakes everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
We have late lakes, lakes are you Are you a
lake guy?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I'm very much a late guy, more than an ocean guy,
because I don't know what's in the ocean. Also it's
too salty. Also it's too wavy.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Well that's the whole point. You get a bookie board
or you get a surfboard and you.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Go out there and you get swim against it.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
You gotta be athletic. I mean, look at your shoes,
For God's sakes you. Obviously you do some kind of labor.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
You gotta out there. You got to earn it. That's
from dance. From dance, that's from dance. I bet it is.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I like a lake if I can get on a
boat and do some sort of dragging activity, awake board.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Awake, surf, yeah, even the tubing.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Any of that. Yeah, But I don't like to be
on a beach for any reason. I like to lay
on the beach.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
You know, you don't like to lay out in your
two piece.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
And just youre as ten i've ever seen, do you
know what? Yesterday was a lazy day around the pool.
Laid out my wife. She's got that Mediterranean olive skin.
I laid out just right next to her. We talked
all that stuff. I was a lobster last night. I
literally had to put olive air on my face.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Because I don't burn at all.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
I just hadn't been out in the sun since I've
had this pneumonia thing for like the last three weeks.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
But I went for it yesterday. I definitely got the base.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
What do you do at the pool?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
What do we do?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
What do you do? I don't even know what to
do here. We have a pool. Five minutes in, I'm like,
this sucks them out.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, we jump in.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Plus I've got all the kids right, so I'm throwing
kids around the pool, breaking up fights because every time
they get in the pool with each other, especially my boys,
they're shooting hoops or something like that, it becomes competitive.
It's a wrestling match. It's don't splash each other, it's
it's just it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Okay, it's an activity.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
It's an activity. And I even went So.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
We have this old playground set down by my barn,
and I took the big slide off of it and
I made a stand and I connected it. It's the
most hillbilly water slide you've ever seen. But my daughter
really wanted to get a water slide, and I put
it right by the pool. Dude, it is so ghetto.
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Uh TJ, who's Majordic coming on a little bit.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And so I was a big fan. I was a
Bengals fan growing up because and I've mentioned this before,
Boomerasism was left handed. That was the guy gravitated too.
Because whenever I was very young, much like yourself, we're
very similar. I was a quarterback. Yeah, until like sixth grade.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I was a quarterback, lefty slinging it and always came
out a little different.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, always came out a little different mind week.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
No, but you were but you were on time, you
had anticipation, and you're accurate.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was the sixth grade we ran a lot. That's
probably a wild quarterback. I knew where to hand the
ball to. Yeah, but I was a big Bengals fan,
so that meant Chad Johnson early days.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Did you ever play against him a college?

Speaker 5 (04:17):
We did so in two thousand and one, we went
up to Corvallas. It was the third week of the season.
We were ranked like eight in the country or something
like that, and we went up there and they had
a loaded team. And if you know Corvallis, it is
a small stadium. These people are on top of you,
they're yelling at you, and they rushed the field and
they're all just talking crap to us on the field.

(04:37):
I'll never forget that because I was like, what is
going on right now?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
But they beat us.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
But that's the same year that they went on I
think it was to the Fiesta Ble and they beat
Notre Dame in the Festa Bowl, like forty one to nine.
They had a great team and ended up going way
beyond expectations of what anybody thought in preseason because you
didn't think of Oregon State as a powerhouse. They also
had Derek Anderson on that team as a young quarterbacks quarterbash. Yeah,

(05:02):
he was a young quarterback on that team. But they
I had a loaded roster and they and obviously their
skill was as good as anybody in the country.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
How many times were you on the field where it
was rushed by another team?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Let's see, I mean that was one that I can remember.
I think Washington State might have upset us at one point.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
They rushed it.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Anytime we went somewhere and we got upset, more.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Likely they're rushing the field like it was just weird.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Is it weird to see everybody come pouring in.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
It's crazy because you know it's these obnoxious nerdy fans
sometimes and they're like this, but they're this is before
like the selfies, because now you see everybody, they're running out.
They're all filming themselves. Even when we're on Tennessee beat Alabama.
I had a bunch of buddies go that game with
their kids, and they've got all this incredible footage of
them on the field, running out, storming it and taking

(05:53):
down the goalposts, and I was like, this is such
a different time.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Back then, it was just like a party on the field.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then they're going up, you know, hugging, loving their
players and doing all that.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
So it was it's always wild when you see something
like that. It's chaotic.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
What kind of sucks now because I stormed a couple
of times back in the day with Arkansas, But what
kind of sucks now is that people will try to
get reactions from the other team's players that just lost
because of the phones, right, Like they'll go up and
talk garbage to them and be like, what do you
think now, And it's like, oh, man, don't do that.
What kind of clout are you chasing?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I know, it's it's the most obnoxious thing when fans
come up and want to talk to the players after
a game.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It's a hard fought game.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I'll never forget when remember when le Garrett Blunt at
Preregon and it was boys, wasn't it Boison State or
something like that, and they started to rush the field.
They lost, and that dude was coming up to talk
Smack and he cold cocked him. I was like, like, done,
That's what most players want to do, right, you want
to be like really, dude, check this out. Wow?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Do you play with Blunt at all in New England?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
No? I did not.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
He was after me.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
He seems like a guy that would call anybody.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, he was one of those intimidating figures. I've been
around him.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Due where you're like, you better just kind of like
feel it out with you know, a little feelers, like, well,
dab him up a little bit, get a feel. He
was always really cool with me. But I don't think
he's one of those guys you want to cross.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah I don't either.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of intimidating that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
A couple things. So what we're doing this week we
haven't done yet is we each have a few things
we haven't shared with the other person yet. What we're
gonna bring, Yeah, we're gonna persist. So we'll just go
one one one beautiful for that and who's Mazzada will
come on? We'll probably break it up halfway through. But
would you like to go first? Sure, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
What do you have? Well, I think I'm going to
start with the Giants.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
I thought Jackson Dart he got an opportunity to go
out there and played, and you could immediately see this
kid is going to be pretty something special. I mean,
the ball comes out, he's got a quick delivery. He
made a throw under pressure, the twenty nine yard touchdown
pass the little Jordan Humphrey in the corner, which again,
sometimes these players are going to break down, particularly in
preseason when maybe you don't have your starting line in

(07:50):
there all the time, but you're gonna get pressure. How
do you respond when you have somebody coming in your
face and do you still deliver the ball accurately?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
And I thought he made a great throw.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
It was a precision throw on a go route down
the field exactly where you want to put it. So
I just think that he showed a lot in his
first outing and helped himself, and I think the Giants
are excited about him. He also has that mobility and
he's that dual threat quarterback because you saw it in
college as well. Right, he can make all the throws
and all that, but it's the difference maker for him

(08:18):
is he can get himself out of trouble with his legs.
And you saw him make a few really good scrambles
get himself out of trouble. So all in all, in
these preseason games, you just want to see Number one
from these young quarterbacks, do they have command?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I thought he had great command. Number two?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Is the ball coming out quickly and on time and
in rhythm.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
You saw that.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
And then are you able to withstand pressure, handle the
pressure and still deliver the ball? And I thought he
checked all those boxes, So I think I thought it
was a real good, really good start for him. And
then on the opposite side of the ball, Abdul Carter.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
He only played six naps and he dominated. Did you
see four of them?

Speaker 5 (08:52):
And Dawkins is an All Pro at left I mean
from do you just see the speed and explosiveness of
this kid and you're just going, oh my god, this
kid is a superstar.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
He played literally six naps, literally.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Six naps in every snow, Yeah, he had an impact
on the play.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
He was a factor in all. He dominated four of
them of the six snaps.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
And he wasn't going up, like I said, yeah against
a scrub that's a legit all pro at left tackle.
And you could already see. Look, there wasn't a time
where he got stonewalled. He's got different moves in his bag,
but his speed to power, He's got different rushmans, but
I'm telling you the way he comes off the ball
is just uniquely special.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
So back to Jackson dark and again these topics. What
I like is we don't know what we're going to share.
So two things about Jackson Dart. Number one, I watched
him in a clip look at a penthouse in New York.
You guys seen this clip yet?

Speaker 5 (09:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
No, they're asking him how much he wants to spend
and they're like round ten million, and he's like, yeah,
he's looking at a ten million dollar penhouse. He signed a
four year, seventeen million dollar deal. Now, as somebody who
didn't come from money who now has a lot of money,
I want to shake him. I want to shake him
and go, bro, I get it. You made your first money,
all right, But you're playing foot. If you were playing

(10:06):
baseball or basketball, I think we have a different conversation.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
And you're playing in New York. Yes, well, taxes are
a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Oh. I just want to like take in and run
my hands with a little Hairdbad, buddy, it's it's it's
pop to speaking to you. Don't dump the break big time,
get your get your two and a half three million dollars.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Here's advising you to go and spend basically four years
worth of salary because you're taking half of that seventeen
in taxes.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
And you know, maybe he's betting on himself, but still.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Bet on yourself. With a three million million dollars condo.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Even you know, I'll go to four, right, but a
ten million dollar condo in New York, I mean that.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Let's break the money down. So let's say, and you
may look up the details of the contract. I believe
just from memories, four years, seventeen million dollars, it is okay.
So let's do the math. I've gotten pretty good, a
rough math, because I've been doing this for myself now
for a while. Yep, seventeen million bucks in New York
where taxes are very high. So let's let's take like
fifty two percent of that out.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, because you got property texts too.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And not only that, you have an agent fee of
say two and a half to three percent, right, that's
about nine he's gonna have about nine million dollars, and
that's you gotta eat, buddy, yeah, you're gonna be house poor. Yeah,
and it ain't like right now you're gonna get massive
endorsement deals.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
He's taking the subway just oh my practice.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
He's bringing a paper bag for lunch because he's spent
all his money on his house.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Maybe they've got an Uber deal for all their players
where they get free ubers.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
And again I'm not sure if he bought it, but
he said he was in the market for a ten
million dollar in the one he was looking at. It
was wild. That was number one, number two. When you
talk about Jackson Dart, I think when I think of
the dynamic plays that he made at Old Miss, it
was by foot. Obviously obviously he can throw the ball.
But I think what a lot of people don't know
unless they watch Ole Miss play, Like he can move. Oh,

(11:55):
he can move, and don't let the pigment in his
skin full you. He's a white boy, but he can
move pretty good for a white boy. Yeah, so yeah,
I think, Well, I just don't. The Giants just are
never good. It's that affiliation I have with teams because
I've been so bad that it's like.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
So bad for so long. But I like Brian Dayball.
He was with me in New England. He also was
with me in Kansas City. I think he's a really
good coach. Obviously when he got that job, he came
from Buffalo and he's a coach that understands the game.
He's a really great offensive mind. But when you look
at that defense, they've been stacking players on that defensive
side of the ball. They're just in a very difficult

(12:29):
division with Dallas, Philly, obviously Washington. They're all really good
teams right now, so it's going to be a competitive division.
I hope for his sake that he's able to put
it together and get something going this year, because I
think that they can compete with anybody.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
It's whether or not they can get over the hump
and be consistent.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Two questions I have about the Giants is that one
who's going to start probably Russ.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Russ will start the year yeap.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
And then two, is this a ball's first his quarterback?
Because Daniel Jones was there. Daniel Jones was in the
fifth year of his right and they had to extend
that because he happened to have a one good year right.
So you wonder if DA ball is given because they
know what his ceiling is as not just an offensive coordinator,

(13:12):
which is what he was in Buffalo Josh Allen, right,
but as a head coach if he gets a few
years now because he finally has his quarterback.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, I think that's part of it too.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Always when you're evaluating a head coach, you're like, does
he have his guy? And you saw, if you saw
the footage from the war room this year, he was
pushing that GM to go up and get Jackson Dart.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
He really he did his homework on him.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
He had a relationship with Lane Kiffin going back to Alabama,
so they had a relationship.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
He did he understood.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Of course there were all those rumors like he went
out and met with Shador Sanders, but he wanted this guy.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
He hand picked him.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
And I think that the GM ownership understand that he's
high on Jackson Dart and they're going to give him
an opportunity to see if this is something that's going
to blossom into something special.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Mine are I have three different players that I watched
every snap of and I wanted to talk about them individually.
And number one is I know you're going to say that,
and I'm going to present my bias At first. I
really like Dion as as a person. Worked with him
very close for months and months. We spent every day
together for like three or four months. When I see him,
still love that dude.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
But he didn't play in preseason this year.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Dion, No, it was I know, but I'm just saying
whenever I say nice things about people, especially should yes,
people are like, yeah, but you're just friends with Dion,
So I would just like to put that up front.
He had a good game.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
He killed it.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
He had a good game. Here's the thing, it's gonna
it's not going to end well with the amount of
adulation he received from that one good preseason. He had
a Nike ad after one game holding doing his what
And again, I like Sugar and he had a good
game and he started because Flacco didn't flack. Oh wasn't
going to Dylan Gabriel was hurt. Can he pick?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
It was hurt.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So we'll put Sugar in Snoop Puntley's there. I don't
even know who's like five is five?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
I think they brought in two guys for the preseason.
They did, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
So Shouldar plays really well. I was pumped for him,
but everything that followed the Nike ad him going. I
believe it was to that reporter that works for They
called him out, Yeah, but he wasn't rude about it.
He was like, we do want you ever say anything
good about me? It because it was so positive and
the internet was so divided. People that were saying nice

(15:29):
things are people that didn't want to say nice things
right because it was a great performance. I think it
makes the pendulum when it because it's going to happen.
This is the NFL, you know as well as anybody. Yep,
you don't maintain that and it was against basically the
twos and threes.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
You have to temper expectations when you're.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
There's no tempering with Shuldar and I think it's Super Bowl.
It's going to bite him in the butt. And it's
not his fault so much.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
It's not his fault and the only thing you can
do as a young quarterback when you get an opportunity
like this, because like you said, it all worked into
his favor where Flacco doesn't need the reps.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Can he pick its out?

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Dylan Gabriel, You're not splitting time with anybody, but you
get this opportunity, are you going to maximize that opportunity.
I think he did just that. He showed that he
could play. He made good throws, great great throws. I
mean the throw from the end zone. It was I
think third and eight and there was an end cut.
He threw on time with a guy breathing down his throat,
and I think we can go back to college and

(16:22):
you can watch them every step of the way. I
think that that was one of his superpowers is that
he doesn't flinch. He'll take it right on the chin,
but deliver the football he just and then the ball
that the first touchdown pass, it was a corner route
in the back of the end zone. He layered it
in between two defenders, beautifully accurate, and that was always
part of his game, is his accuracy. I think the

(16:43):
one thing also that showed up that he showed people
that people always talk about. You know, he's not an
elite athlete, but he's got enough mobility to get outside,
scramble and make plays with his legs as well. So
I think all around, it was just a solid performance
and he's got to feel good about it.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
And you can go, well, it was against the twos
and threes, Okay, well, most of that Cleveland side as well.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Were too bad. They didn't play their starters either.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Right, So I was pumped for them, But that pendulum
is going to swing back.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
One hundred percent because they're going to have to get
look at these other guys, whether it's Kenny Pickett, Dylan
Gabriel and see what they're going to do. So you
know there's going to be this side of the fans
that say, well, why is and should.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Our playing more? We need to see more of him.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
At the same time, as the coaching staff, you have
to evaluate all the guys that you have on the
team and give them an opportunity to see what they
can do as well. So it's going to be much
different going moving forward.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Talk to me about what's happening in the mind of
somebody when they're watching a quarterback that they're in a
close competition with play really great, because I got to think,
if you're doing Gabriel, you're like stupid hamstring, I don't
even get a chance.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's tough, man, because the competitor inside of you want
to wants to be out on the field, and when
you're hurt in your sideline and there's nothing you can
do about it. You're at the mercy of just watching
somebody else play, and you hate to see somebody else
doing your job, especially when you know this is an
opportunity for me to get out there, but I can't.
You want to play that happy medium of you're happy

(18:03):
for somebody, and I think that everybody he has a
different personality, But the competitor inside of you're like, god,
dang it, I want to be out there, and now
I know I've got to step my game up.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
But that's what competition does.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
And every facet of sports is are you going to
rise to the occasion, Is it going to make you better?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
And are you going to step up to the competition.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
My other one in this first little segment here is
Cam wore. I watched every snap. The first drive wasn't great,
This wasn't great in general. Right, I hate to say this,
he's awesome. I hate to say it because it's preseason
game one and I don't want to wrap myself in
a tortilla of hype. Yeah he's awesome.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, I was fired up. I mean because you saw
him come back that second series. The first series he
was oh for two, missed a few throws, then go, well, okay,
you're a how do you respond? He comes right back
out and starts seating the ball. He finds Calvin, Ridley's
number one wide receiver, the deep crow route over the middle.
He threw the ball to the sideline to sideline. On
the out route, he hit Calvin, and then the crossing
route was probably his best throw, right right by the

(19:00):
linebacker and right before the safety came down. I mean,
you could see the arm strength, you could see the
pocket presence. It was exciting to watch, just because Tennessee
hasn't had a guy like that to get excited about
in a long time. And again he's been underrated. Nobody's
talking about cam Ward. But to go out and have
that first outing with a team like that, it's got
to give them a lot of excitement.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
When he would drop back, he would drop back twelve
to thirteen year old.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, he had a lot of depth.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So and I remember listening to Peyton Manning talking about
how he didn't like to drop back that far because
it gave the defensive backs.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
The defensive ends coming around that.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
So the ends could get around the edge because you're
back farther right, So it made it easier for them
to get back. What are your thoughts on that, Well.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I think if you're going to take that type of
drop step right, if you're getting to ten to twelve yards,
you have to be ready to put your foot in
the ground and step up in the pocket because what
they're trying to do, you're trying to secure the interior
part of your pocket with your guards and your center right,
and those guys are super important because if you get
pushed back, you feel that in your face right, and
you're trying to work those guys around the edge. And

(20:03):
so when you're getting any more than of yards, are
you're staying at that that's a really hard task on
those tackles to keep them from getting to you at
that point. So you've got to be able to drill
where you get to twelve, but you're going to put
you foot in the ground and immediately get back into
that pocket, that secure pocket of protection. So you've got
to be careful about that because the more you get
back these guys like we just saw, we talked about

(20:25):
a guy like abdel Carr, he's just going to run
around the edge and he's going to beat you to
that spot and that's where the strip sacks and all
that stuff happens. So it's all about drill work and
also the coaching and what you're being told by that
quarterback coach or offensive coordinator of how much depth they
want to get and what they're being drilled on to
step back up into the pocket of protection.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
The other thing that I have here is cam Little.
It's a seventy yard field goal. It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I didn't even see that.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, from the forty five he kicked a seventy yard
field goal. It was four yards more than what the
record is. Although it's not a record because it's the preseason.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Right, I give him the record though.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
It was so and I think he could he could
have been back five more yards.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, it was easy.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I didn't like, barely make it over the crossball.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I messaged him and I said, I was going to
read you this.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
You messaged him. He taught Bobby I had a kick,
but yeah, years ago.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I did a whole Really, he kicked at Arkansas?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Did you did you kick without your shoes on? No?

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I can't kick, you can't No, come on, you're on all?

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Are you a lefty? Kicker.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I don't know that kick with both feeks. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I'm I don't even know what I am.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I am such a bat. I couldn't kick and it
was terrible. And he gave me some notes and we
worked on it. But so I messaged him.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
I, so, did you actually make some field goals?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, but I'm talking about it was like nineteen sixty
style where you take three steps back and then kick
it straight forward like Charlie Brown with your tail. Yeah. Basically,
I said, did that seventy yard or feel like you
were going to make it right off the foot or
did you have to stare it down?

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Because again it's seventy seventy yards, he wrote. He texted
me back he said, I definitely had to stare it down,
no doubt, knew it was straight, did not know if
it had the leg laughy laughing emoji emoji.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Incredible, incredible seven ty yards is a I mean, an
absolutely sonster. It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Okay, we're gonna come back. TJ. Huge Manzada coming up.
We'll talk to him and we'll go back and forth
a little more as well. Right back in a second,

(22:32):
coming up now, TJ. Hooge Manzada, we'll talk his career,
we'll talk what he's doing now. As far as him
and Snoop that have a flight football league, but played
junior college. Is it Crito's college, Torino's that's kind of
your Yeah, that's my neck of the woods. Played junior college,
then went to Oregon State. We talked about that a
little bit with Matt earlier. And then from there, I

(22:52):
went to Cincinnati, played with the Raiders, played with the Ravens.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
He went to I think he signed a big deal
with Seattle but was only there for like a year
and then Ravens. Raiders went back and reunited with Carson
when he was with the Raiders late and I think
that was his last stop. But I think most people
would recognize him for him his days as a Cincinnati Bengal.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
How do you know him?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (23:13):
We used to work out all the time in the
offseason because of the connection. He's a so cow guy,
so we'd go out and throw together and obviously Carson
being out there as well, so we used to work
out a lot and we'd bring wide receivers out and
he was impressive to watch man. He was he's intense
and you'll probably notice it in the interview. He's just
he's an intense guy, but he loves football. He was

(23:35):
one of those guys that was always teaching the younger
guys what to do, working on his releases, all that stuff.
It was just a pleasure to always be around him,
and he always was fun to work with because he
took it seriously.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
What did you call him, TJ?

Speaker 5 (23:48):
But behind his back it was who's your Mama? Because
it was just TJ.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Who's your mama? All right here he is TJ? Whoji Manzada? Hey, TJ.
We really appreciate you coming on. I do want to
start with this because Matt was just talking about playing
you guys at Oregon State when you guys rushed the field.
What are your what do you remember that game when
you guys beat USC and the crowd came rumbling in.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
It was like two thousand and one. You guys had
Stephen Jackson, you Ocho. We played you like the third
game of the season. We came up there. We were
ranked like eighth in the country, and you guys remember us,
and they rushed the field.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I remember that and part of the game that I
do remember was when Carson threw a pick and our
safety intercepted the ball and you guys were going in
the score. And I don't know why I remember this,
do Carson ran our safety down our safety he was
out in the open like it would have been one

(24:48):
hundred years return. Carson called him in like the twenty
or fifteen yard line and I was like, oh, Carson
can't really run. Yes, I do remember that. It was
a great thing because I was on my way to USC.
Obviously that didn't happen. I go to Oregon State and
Oregon Stateium I believe it was twenty twenty seven or

(25:10):
thirty years they hadn't had to win a season, and
so I think once we're able to beat a program
like USC, that's why everybody rush the field because they
were like, oh, this may be something special. And it
wasn't anything special that year, but that was the first
winning season in probably three decades. It was the following
year where we kind of took off.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, that was incredible. Let's talk about that. So you
go to Oregon State, you get drafted in the seventh round.
Preseason just started. Talk to me about your mentality and
how preseason was important for you coming in to make
a name for yourself and earn a spot on the team,
and how important it is for all these young players.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Matt, you know this all too well, man, when you're
draft it's so funny. I don't know why I have
all these stories to tell, right, But I trained a
lot of guys for the Combine, and so one of
my players I'm not going to say his name, that
I've been working with, he felt like he didn't play

(26:09):
well this past weekend. It's like, oh, man, I had
X amount of boss thrown to me. I only caught
half of them. One of them I really should have caught.
I don't know what's going to happen, and I'm really
blunt with them. These preseason games matter so much. I said,
when you're drafted late, all you want is opportunity singular.

(26:32):
We may not get opportunities plural, and so I'm like,
you got to get over you got to take advantage
your opportunities. You may not get another one. And you're
gonna kick yourself and out because you're dropping balls that
you should catch. And yeah they may be fifty to fifty,
but you got to make those catches. These preseason games
for guys like myself and the guys that were drafted

(26:56):
late or you're at the bottom of the depth chart,
you have to take advantage of opportunities. Don't give me
the bs. Oh Man, the coach doesn't like me. Man.
Every coach wants to win because when they win, they
make more money. They make more money, They got to
smile on their face. And so I love the preseason games.
I don't like them. I don't want them to do
away with the games. I want them to keep the

(27:17):
games going because there's always guys that they're just gamers.
They may not look get in practice, but they play
well in the game. And you got guys that are
all American practice players and they can't do in the game.
And so I love the preseason. I love watching it.
It's good for players that just are trying to get
a footing in the league.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Are some of those guys that are going in five, six,
and seven, or maybe most of those guys are They
not only trying to prove they can play their position,
but they're also going, hey, I can also be used
on special teams or any way you need me. Please
let me show you during a game.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Obviously, yes, and I you know, you got to go
talk to the special teams coach. What do I have
to do to make this team? You tell me, if
I got to run through this wall, I'm running through
the walk. What do I have to do to make
the team? Special teams now it's different. It wasn't when
I was playing. It was, Hey, you wanted to on

(28:13):
a wedge. You're splitting them. You're not turning your body.
You're putting your face mash right in the middle of them.
You want to write down and do not turn your body.
It's so different. The safety awareness kickoffs now are going
to the thirty five, so I believe that will entice
more returns. But when you're a receiver, unless you're a
bigger receiver, you got to make it as a receiver.

(28:35):
A donner special teams. I just don't know if it
has as much of an impact now as when we
were playing, just because of the rules and trying to
make sure everybody is safer.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Tej.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I mean, I remember in an off season we used
to work out, and I always was an awe of
how you'd come out in new professionalism and how you
would approach just even throwing sessions right.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
You'd always work in your craft and go out.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Talk to me about when you knew that you had
finally kind of arrived in the league and that you're
going to have some sustainability, because I know that early on,
early on for all of us, right, we're all fighting
for that little crumb and trying to make make a statement.
But when did you realize, like, Okay, I belong, I'm
here for the long haul. Man.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Man, this is gonna sound cocky as hell, Man, I
love it. Hey, after my first practice, Ricky Mini camp, Well,
it wasn't Ricky Mini Camp, it was everybody. It was
right after the draft. After that first practice, I got
in a fight, but that I did get some reps
prior to the fight. And the year before me, the

(29:47):
Bengals drafted Peter Warck. He was the fourth pick, and
in my opinion, this is just my opinion, the best
two college football players that I that I've seen with
my own two eyes are Peter Warick and Reggie Bush.
Those two dudes were unbelievable college football players. And so
after that first practice, I said, oh my god, he

(30:08):
was a fourth pick. Oh, I'm playing in the NFL,
Like there's no question. I felt like I was the
best receiver on the team after that first practice, and
so that gave me the confidence and to know, like, bro,
this dude was a fourth pick of the draft. I
watched this guy on TV go to work against everybody

(30:30):
he played against, and so every off season, I just
I killed myself working out. I've worked with Julian Edelman
and he's another dude. Man, Like, he almost literally had
me kill myself because I didn't want him to beat
me in workouts, and so we're both about to die
because we're trying to prove a point. But yeah, after

(30:51):
that first practice, I knew I was made to play
the league. I could plan the league. I could be
a good player in the league. But dude, I worked
so hard. I didn't even take vacations. Man, me and
my wife would argue, I'm like, you can go on
to vacer I'm not going, and so we would argue
about that. I'm like, you can go. I can't train
on vacation. I need to be out here with my

(31:12):
trainer co C. And so I love football. Then I
love football now it's giving me everything. I just love
the game.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
What do you see with Travis Hunter? Because now we're
watching more than practice clubs. We got to watch him
play both sides a little bit. What do you see
in his ceiling as far as year one?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Man? Now young man. He's so talented. He's so talented,
But I have concerns. I'm not going to sit up
per and act like I don't have concerns. Can he
play both sides of the ball. Yeah, he can play
both sides of the ball. How long do you want
to play both sides of the ball. That's the problem.
It's football and the National Football League. You want to

(31:55):
have longevity. I don't know how long he can play
playing both sides of the ball, because everybody, like the
difference between high school and college is, in high school,
you may have three or four guys that play hard
from whistle to whistle, from snap to the whistle. In college,
you may have seven or eight of guys that play

(32:17):
hard from snap to whistle. In the NFL, all eleven
guys from the snap to the whistle are balls to
the wall. And can your body withstand just that type
of battering. Yeah, your first two to three years, you'll
be fine because you're young. He can be really good
at receiver, He can be really good at corner. I'm

(32:38):
playing receiver because as of right now, the receivers are
making more money than the corners. But he's gonna have
to be careful if he wants to play a decade
plus in the league. Will go on both ways.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Do you think Jamar Chase T Higgins the best duo
in the in the NFL right now? And how would
you compare them to you and Ocho Cinco back in
the day and those offenses.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
To answer the first quar yes, I do believe they're
the best dual. I don't know how anybody can say
otherwise and pick any any pair on a team that's
better to them, not with what they've done the quarterback
that they have. Yeah, I don't think it's close. To
be honest, I would probably say them A. J. Brown,

(33:27):
Davonte c D. George Pickens just off the top of
my head, and now also Puka and Davonte and so
will be my top four. But for sure, for sure,
Chasing Higgins, I T Higgins and Jamar Chase, they're they're
better than me and Chadway And I think Chad would

(33:50):
say the same thing. I don't like to get into
the oh, we were better than them, because you know
we're older guys now. But Jamar Chase is on his
way to being the greatest Bengals receiver ever. So that
means he gonna knock Chad down the number two. He's
gonna knock me down of what I was. And te
Higgins is also gonna do the same thing. And so
the way they've played one thing the Bengals is going

(34:13):
to do. We're gonna have some receivers that can play football,
and they've always drafted receivers and developed them. I'm happy
for them that they they finally got they payday that
they they've earned. We just got to stay healthy, man.
We got one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
We got the best receiving tandem in the league. Defense,

(34:33):
come help us, baby.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Let's talk about that then, because you know you're Sinini's
best defensive player still as of right now not signed.
Where are we with with Trey?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's disappointing, man, it really is. When when you're a
player and I put myself in Trey hendricks and shoes,
you want to be compensated fairly. And this is a business.
And so if you guys meaning management are going to
approach it as a business. Why can't I, you know,
no hard feelings, why can't I? I led the NFL

(35:06):
and sacks last year? The last two years, I've led
the league in sacks. I'm not asking to be the
highest paid defense Avevan just put me in a vicinity,
and so I'm with Trey Hendrickson with that. But I
also get where the Bengals are coming from. Age you're
in the contract, what you're gonna do. You're gonna sit
out and lose money, but you're sitting out to try

(35:29):
to make money, and so it's a tough situation to
be in. They got to resolve this because without him,
it's a.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Wash, don't you think Cincinnati though historically that's been an
issue with this organization, and sometimes they don't pay dudes
that have earned that contract. Even going back to Carson
and some of these guys that have had contract disputes
didn't want to be there any time, but just management
in general.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, man, Yeah, I mean me and Carson we talked
to this day. I'm heading to practice with his alma
monor later this afternoon. They didn't really they gonna pay
their quarterbacks matter. That's one thing the Bengals when they
don't play when it comes to the quarterbacks. When it
comes to the quarterbacks, we gonna pay you. It's when

(36:15):
we tell the quarterback we're going to do this, and
then they don't do this, and then it happens time
after time. I know with Carson that rubbed him the
wrong way. But you can't draft Shamar and not have

(36:36):
you in camp on time when you're going through this
with Trey Hendrickson and so to me, I'm gonna get
this done. I'm gonna make it short term. You're not
gonna get all you want, and I'm not gonna give
you what you feel is less. A good negotiation is
when both parties are satisfied, but they feel like they've

(36:57):
both given up a little too much. But yeah, the
Bengals have done this. They you know that's I was
a Cowboy fan growing up. I'm a Bengals fan now.
I don't know why my mind and my heart I
just when I speak of the Bengals, I always say we.
And obviously because I spent so many years there that

(37:19):
gave me my opportunity. I really feel like had I
gone anywhere else, I probably would have been released earlier.
Because I was I was hurt. I almost played with
you guys with the Patriots. Then happened. I went up
there for a visit. I was like, oh my god,
if I can get with Tom Brady in an offensive
system that is like I need you to be here

(37:41):
right now. I'm like, that's where I thrive in a
system of you can't just do your own. The quarterback
expects you to be here, be there. And that's what
I love about football, man, just being on the team.
But yeah, the Bengals, man, we got to get our together.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
We it bothers me, man because we as athletes or
window is this big, like we don't have Oh we
can do it next year. Oh we can do it
next year. We done playing Matt Like, ain't no more
next year. It's so you got to make it happen
when you got it.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
A couple of things. One, the sophomore slump is that
a thing or is the most growth between year one
and year two, because and I look at like a C. J.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Stroud.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Year one comes out as rookie quarterback, does so much
more than anybody expected because there isn't a lot of
expectation on rookies. However, he has kind of set a
new precedent, didn't have a great second You had a
good second year, but not a great second year. But
then you also hear between year one and two is
when your most growth is What's more true?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It really depends on the player, because there's a lot
of players. Man, they get comfortable after they have success
in your one, they start to really think. I'm like, oh,
I can't be touched. I'm untouchable. And then the league
hits you right in the face that that happens. Where
a lot of guys they don't work going in the

(39:19):
year two like they worked going into year one. That's
number one. Speaking of CJ. Straw, you know he trains
out here with us, a lot of these dudes. I'm
fortunate enough, man, around so many of the top quarterbacks
every single off season, the top receivers every single off season,

(39:41):
and so I'm able to see how they work. I'm
able to see how often they show up to work
and when they don't show up to work. You don't
know me that well, but I'm letting them know, like, Bro,
you ain't done. You had one good year, Like you
better get yours out here and work. Boy, what are
you doing? And so that's how I talk to him.

(40:01):
You know himself may not like it, but that's just
me trying to push them to let them know, Like, bro,
guys are coming in every year to take your spot.
You better take advantage it is. But I don't know
if it's a sophomore slump. You should get better from
year one going to year one. Season ends, you're training

(40:23):
for the combine. You really never get a break. You
don't get a break, so your body breaks down a
little bit as a ricky. Whereas going into your second
year you get a little break. You can rest your body.
Certain things you did that you liked, You continue things
you didn't that you didn't like, you take that out.
And so it's just trial and error, just experience.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
How you think this is going to go for the
Steelers this year with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I mean for the sake of the being because I
hope they play like.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
So spoken, so true from the heart right there.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
If I'm being honest, though, man, that division is going
to be crazy because yall should do it looked great obviously.
The Ravens are gonna be the Ravens and the Steelers
are gonna be the Steelers. One thing the Steelers are
gonna do is play great defense, That's no question. They're
gonna play great defense. Can they create enough offense? I'm

(41:26):
a huge fan of Aaron Rodgers. The quarterbacks up today,
they all mimic him the way he throws the ball.
He's a trailblazer in that aspect. He has set a
precedent of every young quarterback. At least when I'm on
the field with these dudes, they all trying to throw
the ball and trying to make it look like Aaron Rodgers.

(41:46):
Can he rewind the hands of time and be the
Aaron Rodgers of Green Bay and his last great season
I believe was twenty twenty one. Can he do it?
And we don't know because last year with the Jets,
I'm like, boy, that's Aaron Rodgers. They going to the
playoffs and they didn't have a great year, and so

(42:08):
the Jets had a good defense. Offensively, the Jets and
the Steelers offense look very similar on paper right now,
and so if they have a great season, it just
shows me how great of a coach Mike Tomlin is
because the Jets of last year and the Steelers of
this year they looked very similar, strong on defense, one

(42:28):
really good receiver. On offense. We want to run the ball.
But Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh, man. They always a great team,
but I want them to play.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Like what's up with the flag league? You and Snooper doing?

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Man?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I love. So we got started in flag football, my
son and Matt Lioners league, and we started winning so
much that they didn't want us to play in it anymore.
And I mean, when I'm out there coaching, I'm a
little I'm a little crazy, like I played, might get

(43:10):
real competitive, talking trash to the other coaches. Never really kids,
just the other coaches make it, make it fun. But
so I went off and started my own league into
South Bay, and I was just kind of gonna do
it on my own. Talk to the NFL. They gave
me the go ahead do it. I'm gonna have a
good friend that works for the Chargers. He reached out

(43:32):
to me and said, we can partner with you. I said, okay,
that's perfect. I love to do that. So I partnered
with the Chargers and then somebody from Snoop camp reached
out and was like, man, can we can we get
in in with you? And I said absolutely, So talk
to Snoop. He wanted to do it, and we have
been going at it now for a year and a half.

(43:52):
First year we had like two hundred kids, or the
first season. Second season we had like seven hundred and fifty,
and so it's just growing and growing and growing to nonprofit.
So we sponsored last year over one hundred kids. They
couldn't afford, the inner city kids, let them play for free.

(44:13):
I love it, man. It's something that every we play
every Friday. What we're really trying to do now is
get a girls league out that. I don't know if
you guys watched girls flag football, but it's better than boys.
They're the way they the way that they play, the excitement,

(44:36):
the energy, the passion, it's completely different. And so that's
what I'm looking forward to on is expanding the girls
aspect of that. Because I was fortunate enough I went
down to Beaverton, Oregon. Nike flew me out there. They
had a flag tournament of all girls, and I was amazed.
I was amazed at how good they were and how

(44:58):
serious they took the game. And you tell them something
one time, and they were going to do everything in
their power to do exactly what you told them. We
tell some we tell the young boys this, they're gonna
be like, man, should show up. I'm like listening to you.
They're not saying that, but that's the look that they
have on your face, on their face. So the Flag
League has been pleasantly a good thing for the community,

(45:21):
the league. I appreciate the Chargers and Snoop and we're
just trying to continue to grow it.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
We'll put the note down at the bottom of our
notes so that if you guys want to go and
learn more about it, and it's Snooping hooshflightfootball dot org.
They'll put the note down to the bottom for anybody
that wants to go check it out. And grades one
through eight, right, is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, kindergarten through the eighth grade. This past weekend, we
just had a bunch of kids because you know, we
partner with the Chargers, the Chargers inviting them out to
the preseason game. They played a game at halftime, and
so the Chargers have been great with this because they're
letting kids come to training camp, they're getting on the
field with the players, they're doing a lot of things

(46:02):
that otherwise they wouldn't have an opportunity to do you.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Need to cut that kindergarten You need to move that
up Probor first or second grade. And I coach kindergarten
flag football. Oh my god, it's like hurting cats. They
don't have any idea what they're doing. You can't throw it,
you're not running it. You're just you're just out there
watching these kids run around going like they're not even
the right position.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
You know, you know, they don't need a kindergarten league, TJ.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
But you know what, you know what it is though
it's a lot of jets weeks.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
That's the only thing they can do.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Nobody, right, TJ. We really appreciate that. Thank you for
coming on with us, and you gotta check it up
on game. It's Labar Arrington, Plexville, Burus and TJ on
Fox Sports Radio. A big fan and appreciate the time
you gave us today. And yeah, I hope you have
a great rest of week.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Many man, I appreciate you guys. You guys take care,
may have a great rest of your day.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Okay, back over to you give me something else.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Well, I'm gonna stay with special teams though. Did you
see Travon Henderson con the Patriots one hundred yard kickoff
to start the game.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I did see that.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
First time he touched the ball, and I think it
was such a great pickup by the New England Patriots
second round pick. And we know he came out of
Ohio State. He was a superstar there. He was there
with Quinn Shawn Jenkins, and I always thought he was
just an all around back everything from running the ball,
his explosiveness, but also in the in the past game
as well, he's he's an asset. But then now New

(47:42):
England picks him up and he's just another chess piece
for them to play with because the one thing that
they lacked a little bit of was playmaking ability and
also that explosive nature.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Well, he gets the ball right off the jump and.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
House calls it and nobody was close.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
There was not even a doubt it was.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
He hit the seam and then just ran right by
everybody down the sideline. The other fun part was, you
know what he got some He got some played at
the running back position. He took one down the sideline
for a fifteen yard run. He helped out in the
past game as well. I think this guy is going
to be a major asset for the New Engla Patriots.
I thought it was a great pickup for him. So
it was fun to watch that because you just never know.

(48:17):
But you knew about Travon Henderson, but for him to
explode on the scene with a one hundred yard kickoff
return awesome.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
To follow up with the Patriots, I did watch all
of Will Campbell snaps.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yeah, Will Campbell, you saw him get after that dude
down the sideline.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
He's going to be awesome.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
He's just a dog, he is.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah, And again coming out of LSU, he went viral
a few times, right, Like you know, I'm lucky. I
don't have to work delivery. I protect my quarterback like
all these clips that have gone viral. So you're like, okay,
is he more viral bite than real life dominant? And
again it's preseason, but I don't want to say that
anymore because but for you can only beat the person

(48:56):
in front of you, and he's whooping those dudes.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Well, he also has that mentality to him, right, and
you like you said, you heard him talk. But I
think he's one of those guys that just has so
much pride in what he does and being a bully
and protecting his quarterback and doing whatever he needs. And
he's got some nastiness to him, and that's what you
want in your left tackle because it creates this edge

(49:20):
for everybody on that offensive line. And so when you
got a guy like that out there that can go
and set the tone up front, that's a different type
of mentality because normally the guys on defense are the
guys that are talking smack and trying to you know,
bring the energy and do all that stuff. But when
you have somebody like that on your side of the ball,
it fires you up as a quarterback and also everybody

(49:41):
that he's blocking for.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Okay, back over to me, and I have two quarterbacks
that did not fare so well, and I'll go with
Joe Milton, who to see his clips And this happened
with the Patriots, this happened with Cowboys. Where he's throwing
the ball eighty yards in practice. It looks like you
can't throw a five yard pass. He can only throw
eighty yard passes like no touch. I felt bad for him.

(50:03):
I was rooting for him. Well, I think that was
part of his issue. Even going back to college.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Is just surreal talent can throw the ball one hundred
yards probably he's got one of the most powerful arms
you'll see. And last year, late in the season with
the Patriots, they put him in to play the second
half of Buffalo and he shined.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, they didn't want to win, right, so he won a.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Game, and that's really what set him up to be
traded over to Dallas and then you get another opportunity.
But you saw some of those inconsistencies show up, right,
the accuracy the mid level throws, the intermediate passes where
there's just too much on it or it's not as
accurate where especially when you're talking about that intermediate five
to ten yard routes, you have to put the ball
on the guy. Especially when you throw that hard, it's

(50:47):
impossible for those guys to adjust.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
And that that short of a time period.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
So it was something that had been talked about in
terms of some of the faults of his game that
showed up on tape.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I think, especially with Cowboys fans, I think it was
great for Dak Prescott. He didn't go out and blow
the top, Milton didn't blow the top off, because I
think all those fans would have been like, this is
our guy, this is our guy.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
It always happens. I mean the backup quarterback is always
the most popular guy, right. And I say that because
if your first string quarterback struggles at all, everybody's like, Oh.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Let's put in so and so. He's the best.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Hell, he do better than this guy. And then all
of a sudden reality strikes, the guy gets hurt and
the other guy steps in. You're like, oh god, I
forgot how good the first string was and why he
was starting. Right. And Joe Milton's one of those polarizing
figures because he's so physically gifted that people want to
see more and more, and then they realize, oh, he's

(51:46):
still got a ways to go to become a good
professional quarterback.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I can remember viral clips of Joe Milton at every
stop Michigan when he came in, or Tennessee for sure,
the Patriots, the Cowboys, this, Uh, where was he? Where
did he? Where was he first in the league?

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Patriots, Patriots drafted?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Okay, well, then I remember I have viral clips in
my head of every stop he's ever been. Because Manny
has a cannon, but it's like it's only a cannon. Yeah,
there's no there's very little touch.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Yeah, it's it's full throttle every single time.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Another one, another quarterback that didn't perform as well as
I thought he would based upon what I had seen
from practice, was Quinn yours like really had a good camp.
Was really looking at a practice. I think I went
five for eighteen. It was not a good showing.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Yeah, it's sometimes hard. Man. You go in these preseason games,
and I'll say this, there's two different approaches, and most
of the time with these offensive coordinators, you're still in
camp mode, and so they're not putting together a very
elaborate plan. It's very simplistic. There's probably not a lot
of motions. You're running a lot of your base stuff,

(52:51):
and those don't always match up against the team that
you're playing against. Normally, when you go into a normal
game week, you're scheming this team up. You're trying to
make sure that you have plays in answers and check
with mes, but you're not showing your full array of
your playbook, and so you kind of get handcuffed at
times as a quarterback. And also at the other extent

(53:12):
of it, you're not always playing with the top tier
offensive line or wide receivers, and you're not always in
sync with all those guys. So You're going to see
these up and down performances where some guys will shine,
other guys might struggle immensely, And you saw that with
Quinn yours.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
All right, your final point of the day, final point.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Of the day. I'm just happy that preseasons here. I mean,
I will say this, the last guy I thought, Trevor
Lawrence with Liam Cohen coming out, I mean that there
was a lot of hype around Travis Hunter and what
he was going to do. I mean he played, he
played offense, he played defense. It wasn't like one of
these wow moments by any means. But Trevor Lawrence coming
in under Liam Cohm, I think he did a great

(53:49):
job of coming in and executing the offense. It looked
like he had complete command, which is a good sign
for Jacksonville. Liam Comb because I think he had a
lot of success with the Buccaneers. He was brought here
to help Trevor Lawrence. And if Trevor Lawrence can get
back to what he was just a few years ago
where he was consistent, he's got some He's got some
dudes over there on that side of the ball that
they could do some damage, particularly in the AFC South.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
How much it is true about how difficult it is
whenever your offensive coach is changed pretty much every year,
because that's happened with Trevor Lawrence almost every year.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Right, it's very difficult because you have to think about
some of the best quarterbacks in our league. There's consistency,
there's in alignment with your offensive coordinator, with the terminology,
the offensive scheme in general. So by the time you
get to your second year in a system, it becomes
second nature. You know that, you get a particular look

(54:43):
and you know, hey, this is probably not going to
be great getting the ball downfield. I'm going to get
to my checkdown right now, let him make five six yards,
stay ahead of sticks, and you take the thinking out
of it. And that's when it's fun because you're not
thinking so much more so you're reacting and playing at
a really high level. Whereas when you have this constant
turnover of offensive scheme and everybody's got a different way

(55:06):
to look at how.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
You're gonna read this.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
You're gonna read it low to high, you're gonna read
it high to low, or terminology. Just learning it and
having it click in your brain as soon as you
hear it. In your helmet to where you can visualize it,
see it and go out and execute at a high level.
It's difficult. So I know Trevor Lawrence's smart guy. He's
been with a lot of different coordinators, but it is
difficult with that much change over such a small period

(55:30):
of time in his young career.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
My final point is out of football. But UFC just
signed a big deal with Paramount Paramount Plus. Yeah, so
they're going to do starting a twenty twenty six Paramount
play paid seven billion dollars for seven years billion. The
UFC pay per view is no more if you have
Paramount Plus.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yes, idea of Paramount Plus.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You get everything on Paramount Plus. That's the numbered fights,
that's the fight nights. CBS I think is going to
carry five of the big ones all year for free
as well, like on network.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Tell you that work television.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
So UFC, dude, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I mean these UFC just okay, So seven billion dollars,
no more pay per views. I mean you saw this
happen with WWE as well. First going to Peacock and
we just watched we You probably don't I love it.
Peak Summer Slam was on Peacock WrestleMania, so Peacocks had it,
but next year WWE then is moving. There are no

(56:26):
more pay per views because these streaming services are so
much in the game. They're paying the billions of dollars
to get eyeballs over to them. Raw WWE is on Netflix,
which you could watch that every Monday. So if you're
a fight fan, no more paying for pay per views
unless you have to go and buy Paramount Plus, which
it's about what's the pay per view cost seventy.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Bucks eighty bucks a fight?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Eighty bucks a fight and what is there one of
those a month? Oh yeah, at least maybe a couple
the numbered ones.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Yeah, the actual ones that you paid, Yeah, probably one
or two.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
So if you get Paramount Plus then you're saving money.
Actually oh yeah, oh for sure, because it's not one
hundred and fifty bucks a month for Paramount Plus. It's
like eleven to twelve dollars. Yeah, I think I'll pay
like thirteen bucks because I get my little Apple reminder
because I bought it through Apple, so it reminds me.
You can also cancel things really easy if you buy
it all through Apple, because you can go into your
phone and go like, what are my.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Subscriptions, right, I do that all the time because, like I.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Think, I still have a tanning Bed membership from like
twenty three years ago. That I that I don't know
how to turn off. With Apple though, you can just
go and say, all right, you still got a little sickness.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
And you still got a little something.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
You know. Matt's laughing when he's coughing, coughing, I'm laughing.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
So big deal, UFC. I go into Paramount Plus, So
no more paying for pay per views.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Uh, that's it, thanks to TJ Hooja Manzada. That's Matt Castle,
very tan.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Very tank. Look at me.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
You don't even look red. No, I feel better, Yeah,
you look good. Eighty five percent Over the walking pneumonia,
I'd say eighty five percent. I still got a little
rasp now it's like limping pneumonia.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
It's limping pneumonia.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Yeah, no more walking, crawling, cral pneumonia, just getting through it.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Pick off, Kevin Brandon Ray, I'm Bobby gone. We've had
lots to say. We'll see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Five body.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
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