Lots to Say: Power Rankings and Super Bowl Champ Lawrence Guy

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Just say.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
We got lost. Just what Becker here and we hope
you stay because we got lost. Just say.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, we got lost. Just say.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hey, everybody welcome. I saw a really cool picture. It
was you and Kurt Gibson. Yes, I do remember him
hitting the home run. I was just old enough. I
remember him hitting the home run. Uh Dodgers was it
off Dennis acresly Dennis Acrius?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, World Series? And I mean it was my earliest
childhood memory of like a sports moment. It was nineteen
eighty eight. I was seven years old, and I remember
watching that game with my my family and we're sitting
there and he walks up and he looks awful when
he walks to the plate. You've seen it, You've remember
watching it. And then it goes like two early in

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the count, and he doesn't even look like he can
swing the bat, and he fouls off a few and
then I just remember him hitting that bomb, and I
mean we erupted, but just watching the stadium and everybody
go interrupt and then the legendary this pump. As he's
going around, I was like, is he going to make
it to home? Because Noble was for real. But the

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coolest part was being able we got to talk to him.
I got to talk to him for about twenty minutes
and it was interesting. A lot of people don't know
his story, right. He played four years of football at
Michigan State, was an All American, like third all time
and wide receiving yards at Michigan State. And he only
played one year of baseball at Michigan State because his

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coach told him, you know what, you should go out
and play baseball. So he goes out there, rakes that's
almost like four hundred hits twenty bombs, gets drafted by
the Detroit Lions his junior year and said, there's one
condition that I get to go back and play my
senior year. And so he goes back and plays and
then he goes on to the Detroit Tigers at that point.
But incredible story. And then the cool part was him

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standing there and he goes, Matt when you used to
come out on the field, was the first thing that
you looked at when you came out on the field
for warmups and I was like kind of cut off
guard because I usually would run out, check the clocks
a little bit, and then just kind of go to
the area He's like, I used to love to go
right there to middlefield because that's where all the dbs were,
and they used to always chirp at me and talk smack, right,
and my dad taught me not to talk smack. But

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that's when I started taking numbers and I said, I'm
going to run through that guy's face. I'm going to
run by this guy. And you could see this competitive
drive out of him. That was such a cool moment
for me just listening to him because it was out
of the blue and he just wanted to talk because
he loved football, and it was Yeah, childhood legend of mine.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
That goes down on my list that I get to
check that box. I didn't know he was a multi
sport athlete.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
I definitely didn't know that he was actually better at
football than he was baseball until he basically started playing
minor league baseball.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Right, College Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, that's crazy, crazy story. How was that you?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Michigan Michigan State. Right, Michigan, Michigan State. It was a
typical big ten fist fight in a phone booth. For
the first half, there wasn't much much offensive production. The
defenses were getting after each other, and then Michigan in
the second half kind of blew it open, but neither
quarterback played impressively well. It was more based on the
run game and who was going to be able to
outlast the other in Michigan was able to do that.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
We went to Fatteville to watch Arkansas and Auburn. It
was basically whomever lost that coach would no longer have
a job, and we have an interim coach, and so.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
You can't fire your interim coach, though, well.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
He has a shot though to be the head coach,
and when they lost, he no longer has a shot
to be the head because it's Bobby Petrina who was
our coach, right and in three years he won ten,
ten eleven games, like success story until you know, he
got caught doing stuff we shouldn't have been doing. So
he came back as offensive coordinator. They fired our head coach,
and then he's the guy, and you know, with four

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games left, five games left, he can win three or
four of these games. I think generally the feeling was
he has a shot to be the head coach next year, right,
and is a bad game and two picks and a
fumble offensively, we lost it. At the end, Hugh Freeze
gets to keep his job at least for another week.
But whomever lost that game was not going to be

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the head coach the next year. So Petrino will not
be the head coach next year. I don't think you
Freeze is gonna end up being the head coach Auburn
next year anyway. But he did last another week, but
we went whether it was crappy, he was kind of raining.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
My so not a great experience, is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
It especially was poor because my in laws were with me,
my wife and her parents, and they had a big
game because they're Oklahoma fans, and so Oklahoma was playing
All Miss.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So we had the game up on.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
We were in the suite, and so we had the
game up on in the suite that game while we're
watching the other game outwardly and oh, you lost as.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, So now everybody's miserable.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It was everybody.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, it's just like this weekend. Saw.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, it was raining and it was sour.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
How about the turnover and college football at the head
coaching position. These buyouts that are taking place, Brian Kelly
gets fired, what is it, fifty four million?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, but he ain't getting all that.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
They're going to get morality clause him and he'll get
By the time this comes out, I'm sure there'll be
a story, but I would imagine he ends up taking
like twenty twenty five million. You're right, though, because James
Franklin got fifty million. Now some of that is mitigated
to where if they take another job, which they will,
because James Franklin's not eighty.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Years old, right, he said so immediately he goes on
game game day and goes, now, I'm still going to coach.
My goal is still to win a national championship at
my next spot, which anybody out there right.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now, yes, everybody right now, I want to get ready.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
It's interesting too, because again you have LSU number one job.
That's the number one job of college football's got to be.
So LSU's open Florida, great job, great job.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
In order.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Penn stayed at three, Arkansas, probably at four, Virginia, Virginia Tech,
probably at five.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
But there's a it's going to be a coach. U
CLA like at seventeen.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, like if there's more people, it'll keep dropping.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I think it goes Kent State. Then UCLA say.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
What's your average attendance? That's your game, like ten thousand,
but we play at the Rose Bolts Iconic, but we
see one hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, so it looks even less than ten thousand, ten thousand,
but it looks like fifty. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
College football is wild right now. But we are not
here to talk college for no or not. We are
here to talk NFL football. And let's go back and forth.
Do you go first this week? Bud Okay, I've got
my power rankings. Yes, I love your power rankings by
for three to two one, and they're not probably in
classical power rank expert formation number five. The Denver Broncos.

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They are six and two, they've won four games in
a row. I think you're seeing bo Nicks mature into
a quarterback who makes, for the most part, really good decisions.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, he's a young quarterback. He's only in a second year.
People don't realize that. And there was some struggles early
on and he wasn't playing as well, but now he's
coming into his own got the run game going. That
defense is one of the best in the league. I
mean they are certains out though certain got hurt what's
right before the end of the half, and that that's
a huge blow.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I think he's going to be out for a minute too,
debably four to six weeks.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
That sucks, but he will be back, which is huge.
So it's not season ending, but that is a huge
blow for that defense because he is a premier shutdown corner,
probably the best in the game at this point. At
that position, there's just well you when you can take
a guy, put him in on an island and not
worry about him and then dedicate another guy to either
the box or somebody else on the other side, it

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is so challenging for an offensive unit, especially when you're
throwing the football.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
I think Boenex is the guy now that he's going
to throw between two forty and two ninety. He might
throw an interception, but he's just a good decision quarterback.
I'm not saying always great decision yet. He's only in
a second year, but he's doing a lot of really
good things consistently. And he's in an offense too, where
getting rid of the ball quick and making quick positive decisions.

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Uh does great things that Sean Payton offense. That's what
that's what you have to do with that offense, right.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And the other part about his game that is special
is his ability to improvise and make plays with his
legs because he's an outstanding athlete and he can take
off and get you yards and if there's trouble inside
the pocket, he can. He has got that escapability where
we can go get that first down or just kill you.
And that really breaks the confidence of the defense. Anytime
somebody takes off, you've got a good defense called, you've

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got the coverage, and then all of a sudden he
squirts through and goes picks up fifteen. That's tough.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
And number four the Philadelphia Eagles. The reason I don't
have them a little higher. They are six and two.
It's I don't know the status of Saque that long run.
When he pulled up little hammy, yes, and as you
know that handy don't heal.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Especially for a guy like that. That is when he
opens it up, he goes and that's not something you
want to mess around with. Now they are going into
a bye week, which was probably a blessing for him,
just in order to get him back healthy quicker because
you can dedicate all that you don't have to grind
through the week. But yeah, that is a concern for sure.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
The wide receiver situation there though, scares me a little bit, yeah,
because it feels a bit volatile.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
It is, and the fact that AJ didn't play this
week and they still went out and performed very well offensively.
They got the pass game going, but the run game
was what everybody's been waiting on. Sae Quan's number has
been crazy down this year, and then all of a sudden,
you see what he's capable of. He goes out and
has a performance like that. You're like, Okay, everybody feels
a little bit better about this offense because they can
do it. But I just don't know what direction if

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AJ is going to become more of a distraction with
more of this type of behavior going on, or at
some point he's going to say the grass is not
always greener. On the other side, we're winning ballgames and
you can get traded to a team. But I'll tell you,
just because you get eight catches and get blown out
by thirty, you're not going to be happier. Maybe you
will be, but I don't think you will be.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It just reminds me of Randy Moss on the Raiders, yep,
because you want to go be.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Awesome on a bad team. That's what happened, and then
you want to go back to a good team. That's
what happened. And I think those were.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
The lost years. Yeah. And it's Devanta Adams too, is
a great, great example of that. He goes to Raiders, and.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Then he goes to the Raiders, then he goes everybody,
then he goes to the Jets, right, and he wants
out of the Jets.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
So in the frustration because these guys have seen the
other side of it and knows what it takes to
be a good football team. And then all of a sudden,
you go to a different organization that's run differently and
you start to go, wait, that's where you're That's where
they get frustrated, and then then they force their way
out and it looks bad on the.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Player number three.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Buffalo, and I think we're going to know a lot
of things about Buffalo after this week. I think we
already know enough about Buffalo because it's it's generally the
same core. It's Josh Allen, Right, and the rest.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, well, I will say that James Cook came out
and had over two hundred yards ran. Yes, And that's
the one thing that you see that has evolved for
this offense for Buffalo over the last few years is
that they are relying more on this run game. And
when they get that run game going, and they're a
two headed monster. And when I say that, I mean
past game run game and they compliment each other, they

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are so difficult to stop. And so if they can
continue that trend, I mean, this team's got Josh Allen
on it, so that alone will help. I know at
Oliver went out with an injury and the entire part
of the defense which will hurt them.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Is he done for the year.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think he's got definitely thorn bysep Right. Yeah, that's
a big hit.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's and they have Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Josh Allen opens it up for everyone else.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. He just I think he just set the NFL
record this week. And I think there's forty six games
that he's played in. He just surpassed Cam Newton where
he's had at least a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown.
That's absurd.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Number two the Colts. I don't have a number one,
even though they have.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
The best record. I respect that.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I really like the Colts. I think it's awesome. I
love to see Danny Dimes. I love to see and
Indiana Jones. I love to see every nickname that you
could possibly think of that's kind of corny, because he's
kind of corny, and I like that. I like to
see the Colts winning, like a small market team winning.
I can't put them at number one, though, because they
really aren't playing folks, because they didn't have they have
a good season last year, which means they're not going

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to have to really play a tough schedule this year.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's a beautiful part about the NFL, and that's where
the parody's created. Which maybe some people don't know on
the outside, But when you finish third or fourth in
your division, your schedule the next year, when you play
outside your division, are playing the third and fourth teams.
You're not playing the number one team from that division,
the number two team from your division. Now you still
have to play your division. Don't get me wrong, but

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it definitely helps when you're a team that's trying to
rebuild that you come in and you get a schedule
that you're like, oh, this looks so much better than
the year before because.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
It also helped in your division. Kind of sucks you
do play your division. How'd you say Mid.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Jacksonville, Mid Houston's even what They've got? Two three wins
now three wins.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
And Jonathan Taylor is awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, he's unbelievable and in the mix.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
For the MVP.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I don't think of running back wins the MVP really ever,
but he is definitely at the Saquon level of last
year when we were talking about, wow, can Saquan be
the MVP. Yeah, it's really cool to see him be
amazing again because remember when he was fighting for that
contract and everyone's like he's washed up anyway, Like why
are we going to give him that money? He's washed up?
And he was sitting out and they're like, let him

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say he's washed. He's washed, And yes, there's nothing washed
about him.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
There's nobody around the ball better than him right now
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's really cool. Number One Kansaity Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Kansas City Chiefs. I thought he they crept. They just
creeping up right. They keep creeping up the addition. Ever,
she ries, Oh man, it's a difference.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
It makes all the difference in the world because now
they got three dudes on the outside or she Rice
being number one, Kelsey's still playing at a high level.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Xavier Worthy's a good number two. He's a savvy route runner.
You got Juju Smith Schuster that fits that number three
role perfectly, and they've got this balance on this offense.
And Patrick Mahomes he's a magician. I watch him. I'm
just like, dude, how do you how do you get
out of so many? Like the play looks broken down,
but he always keeps his eyes down field and he

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finds somebody the way that he's able to create and
just create space between him and the offensive line. But
guys understand it and get open. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I get nervous for his ligaments. He's been doing it
for a long time because he bends and gets hit
and falls and he's doing again all the miraculous magician
type stuff. But with all the falls, it looks like
something is always going to rip.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, and it never does and it hasn't yet.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I just I'm always nervous for him.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
I don't know him yeah, And I'm not particularly a
Chiefs fan, so it's not a rooting interest, but I'm
always nervous for him.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah. It sometimes the way and he's able to contort
his body and then some of the hits that he
takes and how he falls, it just looks different than
anybody else.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Looks like a lot of yoga.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, But then look at think about that defensive side
of the ball too. That defensive side of the ball
is damn good. And Spags is one of the defensive
coordinators in the league. They're playing at a really high level.
So you've got the defensive set of the ball, and
now the offense is healthy watch out.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I think too looking back, you know the play when
Chris Jones was just kind of chilling and they're like,
he didn't even go. It was against Jacksonville, Yeah, and
Trevor Lawrence nept scoring the touchdown and at the time,
not a great look. And I could only be paying
attention to it because of that specifically. But I feel like,
first of all, he's one of the most dominant interior

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men in the NFL in the past ten years, not
even just right now, right just in the past decade.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
But I feel like he's.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Going extra hard now all the time because he got
embarrassed on that play that ended up losing them the game.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, it was that play, and there was a play
a few weeks prior to that. I think it was
Justin Herbert where he was on the edge and they
wanted to try to contain Justin Herbert in the pocket
and he inside released that tackle, he went inside, he
broke contain, went and picked up the first down with
his legs. So he got a bunch of for that
as well. So there was two similar instances near the
tail end of the game that if maybe they get

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a stop or that he was he was a centralized
focus of the criticism, and so I think some of
that is like, Okay, I'm going to show you guys
what's up, which you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Thank you, media, Yeah, you don't want to motivated. Media,
you don't want to motivated. Already motivated, Yeah, all right,
you're up.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
All right. Drake May has officially made himself in the
top three conversation for MVP status right now on DraftKings. Now,
I do think he's playing at an MVP level, and
I think a lot of it has to do with
Josh McDaniels coming in because I played for Josh McDaniels
and I know the type offense and he runs, but

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he's masterful. And the one thing they'll say about Josh
is he's a great teacher. And so you take Drake
May's skill set and then you put him in a
position to be successful and understand the why behind why
you're running these certain concepts and who you're trying to
take advantage of that that just elevates your confidence. That
elevates your play and you can see the guy's playing
with no fear and he's deadly accurate. But he's got

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the skill set, his deep balls down the field, hitting
big plays, and then his ability to take off and
run and make plays with his legs as well. Another
dual threat guy, I mean. And the other part I'll
say about why he's probably up there in the MVP
is just like we talked about with Josh Allen last year,
why he probably was voted MVP was you look at
the guys around him, would you put that skill room

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I'm saying the wide receiver's tight ends, would you put
them in the top fifteen of the league in terms
of guys that you would evaluate and say, oh, well
they got the best duo there with T Higgins Jamar Chase.
I wouldn't. But he's elevating those guys to be better.
And I think that's a big part of playing quarterback.
But that's a big part of being a great quarterback
is being able to elevate the guys around you.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I don't know who one and two are.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
To guess it's Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen are they
wanted to and they betting they've got to be. I
think if you were to remove their names and just
put up numbers, I think Drake May would probably be
the leader right now. But because he's a second year guy,
because he's not a Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, who
they absolutely deserve the Hey, we're gonna give you the

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benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
You're playing great, but we also expect you're going to
be in the MVP race.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
I think Drake May would be the guy leading it
right now if it weren't based on the history of
those other two guys.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I agree. And if you just turn on the film
and watch now game after game after game, the consistency
in which and he's got over a seventy percent completion percentage, right,
and you're talking about Kayshawan Boody is probably his number one.
Then you've got Jiggs Diggs out there, You've got Austin Hunter,
Henry's playing Hunter, Henry Austin, I mean you, So you've

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got these guys, but he doesn't have like a true
alpha out there, and he's the yeah that's pulling the
trigger and doing it week in and week out. And
if say what you will about the Cleveland Browns, Cleveland
Brown's defense is for real. He got sacked five times
in that game, and he just kept coming back and
coming back, and he just dissected that defense. And they're
one of the best in the league in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
My second point was gonna be the Patriots too, and
their first in the AFC East right now, shout out
Kevin you they have the benefit of what we talked
about with the Colts earlier, where they suck last year.
Therefore they get us slightly in theory better schedule the
next year. They really haven't played many folks, right.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yes, would you agree? Yeah, because I mean we can
we can walk it back if you want. But let's
start at do they lose to the Raiders game one. Dude,
imagine if they don't won that one.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Okay, they beat the Dolphins, they lost to the Steelers,
they beat the Panthers, they beat the Bills, they beat
the Saints. The Bills wins. Good, they beat the Titans,
they beat the Browns. Man other than the Bills win
because I don't think the Steelers are that good. Like,
who do we have here?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Is it a good team? Kevin? Yeah, you watch them.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
They're good team.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
They're playing the Falcons. Falcons kind of suck.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
They have a Buccaneers game coming up totentionally interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
They have the Jets, then the Bengals, then the Giants.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
They don't play anybody that's great. Just keep it rolling.
This is a confidence boosting season for us. Just go
out there and keep stacking wins. I think they're pretty
good as well.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Listen, I think you know a Vrabel coached team, regardless
if it's the Patriots, if it's the Titans, they're going
to get better as the season goes, regardless of who
they play.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
But yeah, they ain't playing much.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Can I just say one thing though, Like these defense
they're not very good, but they're blowing them out of
the water.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's not even close. Those are like three score games.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, and it's over by the third quarter. I've been
chilling the last few weeks, been nice.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I like chill games.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
I haven't had to have one of those in a
while because Arkansas we don't get to chill much.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sorry that we have You ever gone into a game
when you're watching Arkansas and been confident.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Ever, Like in the history of my life? Yeah, just like, man,
I feel good about you. Yeah, we play like.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
The University of Arkansas Pine Bluff, or we play one
of those preseason Oh yeah, one of those games before
the conference.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, I felt great about those.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But basketball, yeah, basketball, I don't not asking about bastball. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Football, Yeah, an SEC game very rarely. And I would
say if we were to play Vanderbilt, but now they're
good or Mississippi State, we're gonna play them this week.
The last two conference wins. Our last conference win was
Mississippi State. Their last conference win was Arkansas. So we're
both here fighting for the Mississippi State's pretty good team.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Uh, they've been getting close. They made Arizona State, but
they've been they know, they almost beat Texas. Yeah, and
Tennessee and they almost beat Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
So my point with the Patriots was, I do think
they're a good team, but how good are they? I
don't think we know because you did win a tough
game against the Bills.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's tough to win in the NFL period, both Patriots
Patriots indies the same way New England. It's not the
Kansas City chief schedule by any means, or the Philadelphia
Eagles by any means. But at the same time, these
are all one of thirty two NFL teams with pros

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and with dudes on that team that you've seen week
in and week out, These teams that unexpectedly come in
and just blow another team out, and you're like, how
did that even happen?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I hear you, But you're all Patriots, And even our
guest today's a Patriot. I feel like I'm being outnumbered
here today. We got a Patriots helmet up here. We're
gonna have a conversation about We're gonna have conversation about it. Yes,
I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Okay, that's my second point.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Do I do think the Patriots are getting a lot better,
But let's pump the brakes on the Super Bowl contending
New England Patriots.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's all I'll say. I just said that we're week
by week. You're looking ok, week by week, all right, mine.
We got the trade deadline coming up next week. Two
trades that I think would be awesome to see happen.
Bresee Hall out of New York going to the Texans.
Houston showed some life this last week and I liked
what I saw, so bring him in. Because Britece Hall's

(23:10):
a dude now and he's on a bad team again.
They could get some draft capital for him, but that's
immediately gonna lift Houston Texans up. And number two, I
hate to do this to the Titans. Do it since
we're unloading the whole ship anyway, Jeffrey Simmons to the Bills.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
They just lost Ed Oliver, but they said they're not
trading him. They're like, you can call us for anybody
except Cam.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I know I wouldn't trade him either. I'm just saying
for the Bills, that would be a home run if
you can go get Jeffrey Simmons, who's one of the
most dominant in tier defensive lignment in the league and
put yourself in a position, especially with Josh Allen and
where they're at, and they're ready to go on a
super Bowl run. Hopefully to bring in a guy like
that mid season dude, that would be a game changer

(23:50):
for them.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
There was a little smoke about Max Crosby to the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I saw that as well. That would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
They need it too.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
If you think you think, yeah, yeah, I just watched them.
That was pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
That was pretty bad. That would be cool. I don't
really want the Bengals to trade Trey Andrickson.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Because you think that they still got a chance, because
right now the Steelers are leading the division with.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Four wins and I don't think they're very good.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Then you've got what the Browns and the.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Bengals, Bengals with two, and then you have Ravens have
two or three.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
Now Ravens two, Browns, two, Bengals three.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I don't know that the Bengals can do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
After the loss of the Jets, it was a deflating loss,
especially when Flacco still went out there. They thirty eight
points and then the Jets come out there, in my goodness,
just start scoring.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
At will at the end, and good for Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, Aaron Glenn, justin Fields. I mean what he's been through.
When the owner comes out and says, look, anybody would
have that result if you have the quarterback play that
we've had. That really puts a vote of confidence into
the quarterback that you brought in to be your guy
this year. And then to go out and he was
super vulnerable. You saw the press conference after when he
said he was well. He said he was crying in

(25:10):
the closet during the week and he had to pray
and he sat down and why why am I going
through this? But then to have the game that he did,
he looked outstanding and he's just coming back for more,
coming back for more, and stuck in the game and
then went out and ended up beating the Bengals even
though they who had a pretty pretty steady lead there.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, the Bengals offense as usual did it. Bengals defense
as usual did not, did not do it. So yeah,
I'm with you there, I gotta get it done. It
was kind of sucky to watch this guy, but we
get hurt.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh my gosh, that was a brutal injury too.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Like, aside from the injury itself.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
To see the Giants that were hopeless, like have have
people care again for a minute, right?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He breathed life into that organization, even for the fan base,
everything else going on one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
The Giants weren't gonna win a bunch of games, but
it was fun to watch them because he's fun, Jackson dark,
fun and like even the New York, like the Nick
games when you would say Scataboo up, even like the Grill,
like all the stuff about them that was fun. And

(26:23):
so I feel bad for Giants fans just in general.
I'm sorry you're a Giants fan as somebody who has
a team that never wins.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Also, especially you think about the Giants, they also already
lost Molik Neighbors, which is a huge hit, the best
player by far. Then Skataboo comes in and you start going,
oh man, they got a little running game. It's he
brought an attitude of toughness to this team, and to
lose somebody like that, you feel that in the locker
room when you lose guys like Melik Neighbor, when you
lose guys like Skataboo, where you're like, man, these are

(26:50):
guys that we hope to depend on. But now they're
gone for the season. I remember when I was with
the Kansas City Chiefs is last season, I mean last
preseason game. We lost Tony Miyaki to ACL. First game
of season, Eric Berry are starting safety ACL. Second game
of the season, Charles ACL. And it's just like you're
just trying to come up for air and process everything,
and you're going, man, these are all major contributors to

(27:13):
our team, and they're in leadership roles because of their
performance and also who they are. And you lose those
guys and you guys kind of pick up the pieces
and go, all right, we got to figure this thing out.
But it's it's tough to come back from a situation
like that. All Right, you're out last one. Well, I
mean talking about Sad, I mean jets O lineman Nick
Mangle passed away on Sunday from kidney failure. And I

(27:33):
mean I knew I knew Nick, probably not on a
very personal level, but I respected the hell out him.
He was a hell of a player, a guy that
anybody that went up against them had nothing but incredible
things to say about him, just because of the competitive
nature that he had. And it's just a sad day
because I think everybody around the league realized the type

(27:53):
of person he was and in addition to that, the
type of player he was. So he was lost too soon.
So Mike condolences go out to him as family and
everybody else.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
One other thing I wanted to mention we had nominated
for an award?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Did we? Yeah? Yeah, we did MTV Award.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I don't think it's I don't think it's a moon Man,
but I did put it here best Hug.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
So we were nominated for Yeah, that's just you. That's
not even enough thing. We were nominated for a podcast award,
and it's the ASTRA Podcast Awards Best Sports Podcast.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And we're up again. Pardon my take, New Heights busting
with the Boys, and I sid lots to say.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's a pretty good company right there.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yes, and I'd like to say, first of all, we
humbly except your nomination.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Secondly, I never heard of this award I have.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
It is something that when I set out on this
journey for podcasting, it was one of the goals that
I had at the top of my list.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
It was a cool image to share because the account
that posted the awards had a blue check mark and
it was called the Hollywood Creative Alliance. Yeah, and they
announced the Astra Podcast Awards, and again it's three massive
podcasts in our little startup.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
But did have you looked up past award winners?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, it's I'm pretty sure it's the inaugural year of
the first one. No way, yes, wow, even we didn't
even know we were nominated. I think Kevin found it.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You found it, right, Yeah?

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, somebody from the iHeart team shared it and it
was announced a month ago.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think we didn't even know.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So when did they announce the winner? Oh, I'm That's
what I'm looking up right now. They may already believe
it was on Monday night?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is it a black tie event? Don't don't we get
to go and they have a ceremony, We get to go.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Up to La We didn't even get invited. If it
was two nights ago, No, no chance.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
They're just announcing it right livestream.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yeah, it was a couple of nights ago. You could go,
but you had to pay your own way there.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, did we win? I'm trying to find right. I
would imagine we didn't.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I would imagine maybe not, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
So there's no way anything beats New Heights. They got
the Taylor.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Swift, Yeah, they got the album Break. Yeah. Yeah, they
had Bill Murray on. It was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Did those two come to you back to back? Taylor
Swift's album Break and Bill Murray Yeah, those are the
two reasons.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, we were nominated for that award. And we're looking
at Kevin to see if he finds finish unless he
like pulls a trophy out from under the table like
this is how he tells you.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's a spittoon.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, well you let us know, and yeah I will.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
I'm feeling because it's so hard to find. That's not
a good sign.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah about anything. Yeah uh, but we are honored to
be an Astro no Astra Award nominee.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
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here or no? Are we just going straight up?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Let's just go straight up. It's all three, might as
well parlay. I'm all together.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm going with the Colts. Man, I'm going to ride
the hot hand, I mean Steelers. I like the Steelers,
and I like what they're bringing to the table. But
at the same time, I just think the Colts run game,
and honestly, their offensive line has looked so good. They
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Speaker 5 (31:41):
I'm a believer in the Colts too, but the fact
that they're seven and one, right, this is the NFL,
as you told me a few minutes ago, I sure did,
where every team can get beat by a mid to
bad team every single week, and I think it's now
Pittsburgh's time to win. I don't think that losing to
Green Bay sits well with Rogers.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, it didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I think they're playing in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
I'm going with the steel I don't believe in the Steelers,
but I think the Colts. I'm just playing the odds here.
Of eventually these teams in the NFL have to lose.
The only team not to have to lose is well
you guys until you lost in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah remember that?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Oh yeah, I did remember that. Thanks for bringing that up.
An lose, I go with the steel again.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's fine. Chiefs minus point and a half at the Bills.
That's crazy. The Chiefs are a favorite in Buffalo. Anybody
else think that's wild? Like they know something we don't. Obviously,
I can't believe the Chiefs are a favorite in Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Vegas thinks they're back to the Chiefs too.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I guess we got.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Mmm, Buffalo at home. Chiefs are playing so.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, Buffalo does win these games in season.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Buffalo at home.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'm gonna go with the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think it's a toss up. I mean, you can
flip a coin. I could definitely change my mind, but
right now I'm going with the with the Bills at home.
Josh Allen, big night.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I'm going chief Patrick Mahomes big night.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Battle of the Big Nights sounds like big nights Broncos
at Texans. Texans point in a half favor.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
They are in Houston, Texans are a point and a
half favorite over the Broncos. I'm gonna go with the Texts. No,
I'm definitely going with the Broncos.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
How do you say you're going with the Texans then
you say you're definitely going with the Broncos Like it
feels like such a switch like it was if you're
going to Texas.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I'm gonna go with the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm going with the Broncos. I just think their defense
is outstanding and yeah, that's okay, that's they'll be all
right there because they also for the Houston Texas, they've
had some injuries at the wide receiver position as well,
And I think the Broncos are going to be okay.
It's the pass rush that makes that defense so dominant,
and offensively they're figuring out. We talked about Bonix in

(33:43):
this podcast how much he's improved from one week to
the next. So I'm going with the Denver Broncos in Houston.

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I'll go with you, but I'm not going to go
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Speaker 2 (34:53):
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Speaker 5 (35:03):
Rather results, by the way, put in the code toesday.
All right, now, time for the results. I would think
if I were like setting this up odds wise, I
would put New Heights at like minus three hundred maybe more.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I would put.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Part of my take at plus one ten, busting with
the boys plus two ten, and us at like plus you.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Know how they put so many zeros that kind of
runs out. Hey, well we're on there, boyz. So who won?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Who we thought? New Heights?

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Does it say by any chance we came in fourth?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It does not, just says the other we could be second.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Right, So congratulations we got edged by New Heights.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Shocking, shocking.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
We'll get them next year.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're coming for you.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Do you see a picture, by any chance of the
Kelsey brothers at the ceremony awards?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
I haven't found that yet.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, that's why I think that's on Monday, so that
Kelsey could get there the award for him.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Okay, okay, let's take a break. Let's now go over
and talk to Lawrence Guy. He was honored at the

(36:32):
Patriots game on Sunday. He just signed a one day contract,
held a big press conference.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
He retired with the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
What's cool is he was on the Patriots All Decade
team from the twenty tens. But as you know, and
as we get to in this interview, like he you know,
beat up a few places, like he was grinding around
before he ever really caught on, right.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's why I love about his stories. He's one of
these guys that stuck to it. He faced a ton
of adversity early in his career, was let go, was
on practice squad, never really found his place, and then
he all of a sudden, he gets the Baltimore and
you see him his game to go to the next
level a little bit. And then it's the Patriots that's
put all the belief in him, and he goes out
there and dominates there and really helps them through that

(37:14):
back end of their dynasty to go win a Super
Bowl it's an incredible story.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
As a child, he was put in special ed classes.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
He'd been diagnosed with add hyperactivity disordered aslexia. At Hisscalcula,
he found success in football in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
He played high school boy. He was a four star.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
He was draft in the seventh round, and like we said,
he bounced around from the Packers to the Colts, the
Chargers to the Ravens, and then the Patriots, and then
he retired with the Bengals. And he talks about why
that happened with the Bengals in just a second.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But here he is Lawrence. Got god, Lawrence. What's up man?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
How's it going?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I have a question. I've met a couple of Lawrences
in my life, and neither one of them wanted to
be called Larry. Does anybody call you Larry?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's such a good start. I don't like. I can't
say the reasoning behind it, but I will say it's
only a couple of people are really named Larry, right,
Either your your name is Larry, or it's only a

(38:22):
certain demographic where Larry's appropriate for short from Lawrence. That's
just how I feel about it. I'm not gonna go
too far into it. Me and my Coty twins had
this whole thing about it because the brother's name is Larry.
I meant like Larry for certain people, and ain't it
for me? I said, it says not in our DNA
to hear Larry.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Okay, fair enough, Lawrence, fair enough, Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, you better call Lawrence here. He might come through
that camera and come sack you. H Lawrence, Well, congrats
an incredible, incredible career. We know that you just announced
your retirement this last week. To tell us what went
into that and that was that decision difficult for you.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I knew when I was ready to go, and I
always tell myself to walk away, and I had an
opportunity to do that, and I was just like, hey
in Cincinnati, I said I'm done, and like it was
just one of those things that like you understand it
and when you're able to just go, you're able to
just go. And I said, I got phone calls and

(39:20):
say you want to do this and do that. I'm like,
you know what, I had to spend this time with
my family and joy. I was gone for fourteen years
training away. Because when you're there, you're there, but sometimes
when you're at home you're still thinking about the job
and not Oh, I get to shut it off. You
find ways to shut it off on those days, all
and everything to get it. But once you're kind of

(39:43):
sitting around being around the kids, you realize how much
you truly missed. And I already knew I want to
retire Patriot. It wasn't one of those things that like, hey,
what no, And I tell people if I had ended
my fourteenth year in New England that last year, I
ought to retire right there. But I wanted to get
that fourteenth credit ors to something that I told myself
it for years. And when I god, I was like,

(40:06):
I'm always going to come back and go doing in
New England. I'm blessed enough that No Newing and it
accepted me back to do that and honor me and
honor my family.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
So when you mentioned that you were in Cincinnati and
you were like, hey, I think I'm done. Was it
a play a game or at the end of a
season when you kind of had that moment of yeah,
I think this is it.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
You know what I tell people all the time, I
won't be frankly with Cincinnati. I went to Cincinnati and
I'm like this is how y'all doing here? And again
I'm like, oh, okay, I get it. I've heard and
I never thought in my life I want to experience
something like that ever again. And coming from New England, look,

(40:50):
the athlete is first. In New England, they make sure
we are taking care of, to make sure the family's
taken care of, and we never might not get the
best seats for family section, but you're well taken care of,
your well respected. And when I was in Cincinnati, I's
like you're on your the second hand of it. It's
like it's not like you come first, and like you know,
you come second and everything else. And and at my age,

(41:12):
I've going in there thirty four, coming in there, going
into week three, I didn't appreciate the effort and the
love for the game that it should have been put
in with that team at that moment. I can't speak
to what they're doing now, but at that moment, with
the coaches that they have, and when I was experiencing
out there like like this this, I'm good like I'm

(41:35):
and I went in there straight off the back look
the young guys looking at me, giving the advice, saying
what can I do for you? Anything I can. And
when you realize, hey, not everybody or every situation that's
the same as what you're what you've been used to,
you kind of get an idea like, okay, I get it.
And look, I kept it quiet for a while about
my experiences in Cincinnati, and most people love their experiences.

(41:56):
I just didn't have a good experience. But then to
get out spoiled, New England is spoiled. Let's just be honest.
It's just one of those things. You get food all day,
you get the best treatments you could get, like it's
a spoiled team to the player aspect of it, and like, hey,
it just wasn't for me.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
You know, you talk kind of about the culture of
New England. I played in New England for four years
and I understand exactly what you're talking about, especially when
I had that transition to Kansas City. But you know,
we hear all the time and we a lot of
people in the media use it the Patriot way, And
what does the Patriot way mean to you? And how
would you describe that to an outsider from an inside perspective?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
To break it down in that way, because when people
ask that question, I want you to look at the
person next to you like, hey, if he messes up,
what you make up for him? And in your first
mind and like, yeah, that's my brother. I'm gonna do
everything I can to make sure that he's good. That's
what we start going into the Patriot way. I'm going
not going to do it for myself. I'm gonna do
it a person next to me, the person behind me,

(42:56):
because they're going to make sure that they put me
in the right places and make sure I make the
right decisions. Even if I made the wrong decision, you
make the right decisions. There's been plenty of times when
I'm I'm sitting in there like, hey, bro, I'm going
to stunt this gap. They're like, all right, cool, get
in the film and I'm like, who told you that.
I'm like, he told me in the back to do it.
And we already had understanding that it was nothing there

(43:16):
said if it worked out, it did, if it didn't.
They knew they had my back. The same thing when
Patrick Chunk used to line up behind me, that's the
safety behind me, and I looked down and I'll never
forget I turned my head and looked down in my height,
I said don't worry, bo, they won't touch you. And
I'm only take care of all this. Just go and
make the play. And that's when it comes down to
that Patriot way that we respect the person next to us,

(43:37):
we work for the person next to us, and we
sacrifice to make sure the team was ahead and we
were going to win, because sometimes you could be rolling.
You look, in twenty nineteen, I was rolling at the
beginning of the season. I have a lot of tackle
for loss, a lot of taxos zero game. They looked
at me and said, hey, we need you to help
the team out and do a little bit something different
and it will go a long way. Same thing that

(43:58):
happened in twenty eighteen. They did the same thing, like
I understood, because it was an opportunity for us to
be good, not just me, but us as a whole.
And now we can start getting to the Patriot way
of I'm gonna get my lift in, I'm gonna go
get treatment, I'm gonna respect the person hold it from
that meeting. We're not gonna interrupt, We're gonna do what
it could be done. And if we did have a conflict,

(44:19):
we get dressed out behind the scenes, out the front
of the group, because you're never trying to belittle anybody
in front of your peers. But to the other coaches,
you're like, hey, we could talk about this in private,
and we could sell this because, as you know, in football,
we could get a little bunches, we could have personalities,
got the energy built up. It made no sense of

(44:40):
doing in front of everybody, because all you're doing is
turning everybody's in. That Patriot way is pretty much is
respecting the person next to you. I see you're going
to respect you and you want to grow as a
man on the field and off the field, and uh
and growls of a brother.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
You guys won the Super Bowl. It was McVeigh and
Belichick that Super Bowl. You guys beat the Rams. What's
your favorite memories from that game?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
I tell people all the time me and my daughter
kissing Lombardy. But other than that, Hey, who's the running back?
Anderson was his first name? Oh, I forgot his first name.
But Buddy came down hill and ran straight into my
chest with his helmet and they all sat there and
all got cheered on. I'm like, oh, yeah, you did,

(45:22):
I said, bro, like he just caved. My chest hurt
and then we just got up. But it was this
little moments like that where it missed a lot to
everybody because we were doing something and I was like, man,
this hurt. And it was one of those biggest memory,
like hey one, somebody stole my sat because I got

(45:42):
I got tripped by Dietrick Wise. This phony funny moment
like that. But it was a defensive game. And to
be real with you, hey, when you go in there,
you get to play low score. They're going to try
to run the ball. What they try to do. We
stuffed the run or run stuffer stopper like it is
what it is. They stopped, you stopped to run. You
get to see people make plays like Jason mccordy. You

(46:03):
can see make people make sad column nois is one
of those things that is great.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Talk about the mentality that you have to have to
play the position that you did for so many years,
because a lot of times it's a thankless job. Like
you said, you're taking on two blockers, you're you're opening
up the scene for the linebacker to hit the gap,
doing all those things. But talk about the pride of
the mentality that you have to have playing the position
that you did for so long.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
When you're a run stopper, you understand. For one, I
thought the pass rusher for years, at least so four years,
and trell starts pulled me aside and like, hey, brown Sacks,
you got that's got like four and a half sacked
last year. He's like yeah, I said, I'm averaging eight
to nine sacks a minimum. He said, I'm a pass rusher.
He said, you're a run stopper. I'm like, okay, well

(46:47):
I for kitchen sis, but I get it. But so
when that mentality hit me and I asked what the ravens,
it was a mentality of that person next to you
or in front of you got to feel that pain
of you lining up being a run stopper because all
you're going to do is get hit by two people
or get hit from the side. They have to make
sure that they're going to leave that game like man,

(47:09):
my head hurts or man, my net curse. It's a
mentality of I'm going to hit you harder than you
could ever come to me, and make sure that everybody
else is cleared behind me because my plays will come.
Like I'm averaging forty five to fifty tackles a year.
When it comes in New England, I was like, the
place will come, but understood from my place to come,
I had to make sure that person behind me was

(47:30):
making plays. How to make sure that person on the
line of scrimmage, but going to feel all wrap of
me putting my hand in the dirt and getting hit
by multiple people.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You mentioned CJ. Anderson a minute ago, and now he
kind of ran through you at the super Bowl, and
that obviously hurts. I would assume what other running backs
would bring it where you're like, oh my god, that
dude is strong.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Todd Gurley is like that. He was strong, Derick Hemery
is strong. Marshawn Lynch, we all know what he was about.
He couldn't piss him off. They used to tell people like, hey,
if you make a good play, to say, hey, good run.
I said, just don't piss him. He's go on this
run through it. Mark Ingram was the same way where
he put his head down and you're like, god, like, buddy,

(48:11):
you just hit me. But other than that, you got
those finesse players like Shady Le'Veon Bell. You know, it's
just these certain players, even if they don't bring the boom.
He's just like bro. I told somebody one day I
had Le'Veon bell in the hole. He was at my ankles.
I'm shutting off to my backside foot to make the tackle,

(48:32):
and he jumps behind me and pulls back and runs
to the gap.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was just in.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
I got yelled at on the sideline. I was just like,
I don't know what you want me to do at
that moment, Like that's just a teach tape of this
is what happens when somebody's super athletic, Like I can't
do nothing with that. But when it came down to it,
like I've been hit some good amount of times by
some some really good running backs and end of my day.

(49:00):
But I said that C. J. Anderson. He didn't run
me over, but he put his head in my chest,
and I like, I feeled this one. It's probably one
of those hits. I'm like, hey, I feel this one.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
What about from an offensive line standpoint, some of the
opponents that you had to go up against, was there
a particular guy or unit that you knew, Hey, this
is gonna be an all day sucker here.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Pittsburgh. Yeah, Pittsburgh. The original Pittsburgh group a pounds. I've
been on the way of Gilbert. It was like, hey,
we're going we're gonna hit. And once you did it,
like it was an all day thing. It was like
that going against Donald Penn the other Poundcy was the

(49:41):
same way, Like I got all the really good offensive line,
the same with Toron Smith's the whole Dallas Cowboys office
of ninety. Now you're gonna hit. I used to tell
people when I got to New England and we were
playing Pittsburgh, I said, look, I told Holy Line, I
don't know if you guys played up here before. I said,
this is going to be a long game like this,
ain't You're going to get blindsided, You're gonna get hit,

(50:04):
You're gonna be held. It is what it is, is
the way you're supposed to play football, smashed mouth football.
And I'll never forget. I'm running across the screen and
my buddy Malcolm Brown was running and pouncy blind side
of him in my face this boom, and I just
stared at him like, hey, he ain't gonna get me
like that, bro. And I looked at him like you good.

(50:27):
He said, where do you come from? I said, hey, bron,
He flew across my face and got you. I said,
he wasn't even looking at me like that was personal.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Did you talk back when you're on the interior part
of line? Did you get after it with those boys?

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I said, I said something weird. And whilst I'm not
gonna lie to you like I'm all in, I have
a full conversation with you at TV time out, I'll
talk to you, have a full conversation with you. The
didn't gonna hait you in the next play or give
you a little cheap shot or take out your hit
from my guy, And I'm like, man, why did you
do that. I'm like, I said, well, we're friends, and

(51:01):
we're friends. It's okay, like we've been good after the game.
But it's just one of those things you when you
do it. It's funny, right because I had a good
time playing the game, and I'm not one of those
people that I'm gonna end you. I'm gonna do this now.
I'm gonna have a good time and go take you
out the next two plays, or I'm gonna go sit
there like hey, man, i We'll running this te game

(51:21):
or te game and take out your hit or like
we played until the tackle on double teams. I'm looking
at my OUs side linebackers like this by his eyes
for like two seconds, like watch, I'm won't take him out.
I'm gonna just clear him out, put him on the grounds.
What we did at that time, Like I said, it's
old school D line. I'm not talking about eighties D line,
nineties D line, but those two thousand D lines where

(51:44):
you watch the film you're like, oh, that hurt.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm obsessed with cold weather in a bad way.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
And so when a guy like yourself you grow up,
you're playing Vegas, you play Arizona State, that's opposite of
the cold weather. All of a sudden you're playing in
Green Bay. I gotta think that's a bit of a
culture shock.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
This sucked.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, it was true.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I'll be honest with you. I hate the cold weather,
but co Weather team loved me. I don't know what
it is.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You're gonna have to run the ball again in that weather,
and they need somebody like you to stop them.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
They said in November Deceummer, we're gonna start running the
ball like cool, That's what it was. But I disliked
the cold weather, and I'll never forget it was Corey Redding.
He looked at me, he was like, look, I don't
wear sleeves. I don't expect you to wear sleeves. It
is what it is. We're d lineman when not offensive

(52:38):
lineman offense alignment could look all that sleeve and something
that we go out there and we showed it up.
Are tougher. I did that for some years until I
want to say, was a year niney year ten was
in Buffalo when it was that negative eight, negative nine
degree game, and I was just like, he lied to me.
I don't know what he was thinking. I should have

(53:00):
put sleeves on years ago, but it was one of
those things you put. You put that vasilin on your arms,
trying to clog your poor to keep you more. It
was nothing happening. I'm like, man, this is ridiculous. And
from now, I don't know why one of the teams
don't love me. I'm like, I'm built for the warm.
It's just the teams like throw the ball and warm.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
So early in your career you bounced around a little bit,
were and had to grind right, and you were on
practice squad and all that. When did you feel like
you actually arrived and what was it that turned the
page for you, the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
So when I when I went to Green Bay, I
got i R the first year, Then the second year
they brought in two more people. Coach flat out just
looked at me one day They're like, hey, I didn't
want you here, and I said like, oh okay. I
was like, well, and now that was coming off coming
out of my rookie year, and I was like bro,
I was like that, that's hard for a kid coming
out of college here, and it was just something that

(53:55):
was happening. So I got practice squad for for three
weeks there. Then when I was leaving, his whole way
mold changed. Oh we loved you here. He wanted you this,
and I'm like, no, I I have witnesses of people
hearing what you said to me and had to confirm
with the older people, like it was messed up and everything.
But so when I went to New England, I mean,

(54:15):
when I went to Indy, I saw it was a
fresh new start. But off was Bruce and I Chuck.
So when Chuck came back, everybody that Grayson brought in
kind of just love. Then when I came back, I
sat for three When I came back. I went to
San Diego with Chuck's brother and I was just like,
I don't know how this is gonna really work out.
But I've always been the GM's guy. But all that

(54:38):
being said, I was just put in situations where it
wasn't about talent and it was about you're my guy,
you're not my guy. And I popped my shoulder and
training camp and I played three games in the regular season.
When they released me, the Ravens called on Jared Johnson
and said, hey, how is this guy? And he he said, hey, man,

(55:01):
he's good, he's young, he has a lot of talent.
He needs a place. When I got there, they fled,
looked at me and said, hey, he put his name
on the line for you. Hey, you, this is what
we respect for you. When I went in there, I
started understanding how to play real football. Right. It wasn't
in the Finesse, it wasn't the NFC, it wasn't the
West Coast. I was real small, small football. And Elvis

(55:21):
Duomaville came along and helped mentor me, also with Chris Canny,
and they were like, this is what we expect out
of you. This is what we're gonna do. It, we're
going to make into a really good football player because
you have the talent, and they started clicking with Clarence Brook.
Then they're like, this is what we're doing. I started
learning from Hellodi Terrell, who taught me how to write
a notebook, and I hed, this is how you take

(55:42):
notes from every single person, like with Brandon Williams, who
with my best buddy on the team. They said, we're
going to do this, We're going to grind it out.
And from there I just started going up and going up.
And when New England finally gave me a true opportunity
and say this is what we're doing and we're going
to hone your skills and let you grow, and it
shows them theirs. That's why I said when I when I,

(56:03):
it's not about where you started or how you started,
to choose about how you finish it. And that's the
greatest thing I did. I got the opportunity. I took
advantage of the opportunity like this is how I'm going
to finish the end of my career, and I'm hit
on full fours with everybody's support.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
I had two questions left. So my final question for
you is I was looking through your status. You have
one interception. Tell me about that one interception.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Yeah. So if you guys know about how you got
to know about how New England does the defense. It's
a read defense, like you had to read everything. And
like I said, in twenty eighteen, we went to an
attack defense. We lost a couple of those games, the
first couple of games against the Jaguars Detroit, which didn't
win the rest of the season because who wast attacking everything?

(56:51):
Stats will looking amazing, right, And we came into it
and I got pulled aside like hey, we need you
to be like a two technique And I'm like, why
is it we need you to read? Because everybody else
really can't do it. This is what we are. We
can win a super well this way. I'm like cool.
So all that being said, we go into the nineteen season.
We're now still in that same effort of that read

(57:13):
attack mode, and I'm sitting down was like, look, I'm
gonna get a dack. I'm on the edge. I'm like,
I'm gonna jump the snap. I know the snap call.
I'm gonna jump it. I'm not gonna read nothing. And
I'm like, hey, that person I told the person. I said,
I'm jumping it. I was like, if they hit the ass,
save me, and I jumped the snap get to Cleveland Browns.

(57:34):
I looked at Baker in the face. I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna get a sack. I looked at m and
I was like, Oh, he's gonna throw me the ball.
Like he's gonna throw this ball. So we caught it
right here, and I'm like this, I said this this
he's doing the ball. I said, this is a wild
I said, this is gonna be an epic highlight tape.
But I know this is going to go around in

(57:55):
the league from everybody in the world, like how did
you let this big dude get an interception? You should
have just took it and rain it, or this took
the sack. It ethic because in my head, I talked
had this whole conversation. I'm like, I'm gonna get a set.
He ain't gonna throw the ball. He threw him in
the ball and I think Landry tackled me and I

(58:17):
was said like, hey, bro, I said, we had dinner
like four months ago out to the Super Bowl. Why
why do you talk on me? He said, John, I said,
I could have had a touchdown. I said, it should
have been epic.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
My last question for you, you obviously were there with Brady,
had the Super Bowl runs and all that, and then
you were post Brady and some of those down years.
But now you you watching your watching the New England Patriots.
What are your thoughts of the current team, coach Rabel
and the job that they're doing.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I like them. I got to watch practice on last Friday,
and it was amazing on the chemistry that they're building
there and like I told Rave about, like, look, I
see the brotherhood that you're building and the culture that
you're recreating there, and that's amazing because it's one of
those situations when you're playing in a on a team
that has a very long legacy in his rich history.

(59:08):
You want to keep on with that. And you see
that they're having fun out there. So it was wasn't like,
oh we're going to get you know, the Haric Fund.
They're building it that they make mistakes, they come back
for the mistake. Like I just told somebody, if you
watched the beginning of that game, it was an interception,
those tackles, losses, but they just kept going and like, no,

(59:29):
we're going to keep it going. It Miles had five
sacks that didn't stop the train. They kept going like, look,
it is what it is. We're gonna keep pushing that
gas pedal. And they ranked up the scoreboard and that's
what you want to see. And especially when talking about
their defensive defense is to his flying Milton came in

(59:50):
and it's doing a phenomenal job. But that like the
tongue guy, he's just out there unspoken, which I love.
He's debsrupted. If he's pushing back the pocket, he's making
pressure just by presidence. He might not make the play,
but he's doing it. It needs to be done. And
now you've seen this culture being brought in and like
I said, this is I said the beginning of this season,

(01:00:11):
I see this team going to the playoffs, and now
you can see it coming true because they're like, look,
they had the pieces they need to put it together,
and then putting everything together and then learning every single week,
and that that young quarterback right there, like humble is
what it is. And I've heard nothing but great things
about him, that how he's striving to be better and

(01:00:34):
better every single game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Lawrence, we really appreciate the time congratulations on the honor
getting honored this last week, and just you know, knowing
and being able bodied after your retirement. I think that's
such a big deal too, with so many the guys
that I know that have retired, even like Matt over here,
he can still go a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Let's still go, he can still go a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
I'm two forty.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Though right now. No, that's good nowadays.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Pounds overweight?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Yeah, hey, what are you telling me? Cincinnati? You can
be five pounds over five pounds on there, It's okay, okay, perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'll take the five over Lawrence.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Good to see you, man, Thank you so much for
the time. Congratulations and hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeah, thanks Lawrence, thank you, thank for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
See you later. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
What's interesting to me about what Lawrence was saying, because
he was, you know, very direct about he didn't like
in Incincinnati because of the way that the team treated
the players and you, again, we're an interview, so I
didn't stop it. And you said there was a difference
in even New England to Kansas City. I assume there's
a difference from any team to team. Definitely from an outsider,

(01:01:58):
it just seems like all professional athletes are treated like gods.
There's unlimited food, the facilities.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Are a plus. But the more and more than I
learned is that's just not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It's not the case, and not all these organizations are
made the same. And when I first came into the
league to New England, I mean it starts as he
was saying, it's a player first mentality. So from the food,
to the locker room, to the guys that work in
the equipment room, to our training staff, our weight room,
everything is player first, and so it helps cultivate a

(01:02:30):
culture where you can concentrate on doing your job. You're
taking care of you have the messuses if you need
those to take care of your body. But then all
of a sudden you get to football, and football is
so regimented and it's meticulous in detail and how you
train the off season and what you're watching in terms
of the film, even the off season. Then when I
left there and I went to New excuse me, to
Kansas City, it was completely different how they treated the

(01:02:52):
off season, like we rarely watched film. We installed some stuff.
Then when it was practice time, we'd go to practice
but nothing more than that. And it was a culture
shock to me because I was trained to do it
a certain way, go through certain PROGRESSI and when I'd
ask those questions, like we'll get around to that, I
was like, when are we going to start breaking down
the first game of the year and this is being
the off season, because in New England, we'd start prep,

(01:03:13):
like just subtle prep to watch certain opponents that we
were going to have early in the year, and none
of that took place. And so that was hard for
me to wrap my head around of Okay, I've I've
got to shift my mindset. And then when you talk
to guys like Carson Palmer who was in Cincinnati, it
was the same for him. That's why he wanted to
get traded and held out that year and did all
that because they didn't care as much about the player themselves.

(01:03:38):
They said the food was terrible. The facility that crazy
to me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
The food the most basic, the most fundamental part of
being a professional athlete is fueling and preparing your body
the right right And you're telling me that there are
certain places that just have lackluster food and not all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
From talking to a number of guys that I've been around,
played with against. There are organizations out there that it's
just they're throwing cereal out there in bagels and that
you don't want to eat for breakfast where its continental breakfast.
It's a continental breakfast where other organizations when I was
in New England, they'd have breakfast, lunch and if you

(01:04:17):
stayed late, you could have a dinner. And guys love
that because one, they're feeling their body, they're taking care
of themselves. But you're also putting the athlete in the
best position to be successful physically. So why wouldn't you
spend that type of money on your players? And some
organizations are just cheaper than others.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
You know, they have the grades they put out every year,
and it's everything from how the team treats family to
the facilities, et cetera. I wonder if you looked at
just the food and the offerings each team gave, if
that equated to poorly run overall organizations.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I'm sure for a lot of guys that would be
number one, especially guys that have been at a different
organization that does a certain way and provides food in
the right way. I have to order in food. It's
ridiculous to think about that. Some organizations do operate that way.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
An unnamed person that I I've spoken with played college football,
I'll say, at either Georgia or Alabama, and then they
came to the Titans and they're remarked to me, were
we were treated better in college at said massive school
than when we got here to the Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
It doesn't surprise me. There's certain organization that I've been
a part of. When we were in Eden Prairie for
the Minnesota Vikings, the weight room was downstairs and it
was multiple different rooms that you'd have to walk into
to get It wasn't this beautiful, vast weight room that
you'd walk into and you'd be like wow. And then
you've been to like Oregon, You've been to some of
these universities where you walk in and those are multi

(01:05:47):
one hundreds of million dollar facilities with everything at the
disposal for the student athlete. You walk into some of
these places and I was like, what in the hell
is going on? It was a dungeon, it was underground.
There were no windows in this weight room. Now, the
food was good, but just overall facility. Now, you go
up to the Minnesota Vikings, facility that they've completely redone.
The Wolfe did a great job there and I walked in.
I was like, where was this? When I was here?

(01:06:09):
Like crazy? Even Dallas Cowboys. When I got there, I
was still at the ranch. I told you that story.
It was old, it was decrepit. The weight room was
definitely old school weight room. And then a year after
I left, they built the brand new facility out in Frisco.
And when you see pictures of that, you're just blown away.
So I know that these organizations, whether it's with their
stadiums or with their facilities, are all it's an arms race,

(01:06:31):
and they're always trying to make it better. And I
think that they've definitely improved. But when you first came
in the league, you could take probably the top twenty universities,
if not more, and say those facilities were way better
than anything you saw in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Did you have nice facilities at USC.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
No, it was a dungeon back then, too, his heritage Hall.
I guess they liked me working out in the dungeon
because it was underground. There was no windows again, multiple
rooms for the different weight rooms, and very small meeting
areas and it was not it was not a life
of luck by any means. And now you're looking at
and they're redoing their whole facility. Even though they redid

(01:07:09):
it probably like five ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
It sounds like everywhere you went, as soon as you left,
they then improved the facilities. I think you might have
been the role well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Because I was writing in my yell reviews, I think
this is what we need to improve, Anonymous, please, and
I'd write it fifty times for acting like it was
the entire team that really worked out well for me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Do you watch that eighteen inning Dodger game?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I got to about the thirteenth inning and I had
to call Mercy. It was like eleven thirty at night,
and I was like, oh my gosh, somebody score do something.
And then I woke up this morning and watched the Highlight.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
One of my friends that was watching a clip I
think of last week, and you were on that Dodger's
hat that I liked. I'm not a Dodgers fan, but
I liked the hat. And he said, hey, I noticed
Matt Castle's Dodger hat. I said, yeah, airport, get out
the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, Ondred percent.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
It was an airport Dodger hat right bye too, But
multiple people comment and how they like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Yeah, the hat was rad. Yeah. How about the Dodgers,
I mean, are we watching showy Tony? What he is?
He's going to be the ever played the game we're watching,
like basically Michael Jordan. You can name any of the
goats from any any sport and he's gonna be up there.
I mean, you looked at his stats from the last
two games. I think they said he was seven for seven,

(01:08:19):
five bombs, two doubles, and then they intentionally walked him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
There's no pitching though, you're just I'm not even talking
about pitching.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, yeah, there's no bigger honor as a hitter when
you come up, you hit two bombs in a double
and they go, we can't pitch to him, regardless, we're
putting him on base and intentionally walk him four times.
He was on base nine times last night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
The only time that I saw that ever happen. I
saw them walk Barry Bonds once with the bases loaded.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I did see that too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
So yeah, Otani's unlike anything we've ever seen a little
bit like it's a kind of a tugger warm my
head on the Dodgers because they basically have bought the
All Star team, and so baseball can do that because
they don't have salary caps. And if you love your
team and you have the money, you know, spend away.
Yankees tried at a bunch. The Dodgers have bought the

(01:09:07):
All Star Team. It's awesome. But the problem is is
that I like the players. I wish I wish they
were a bigger villain, Like I like Freddie Freeman, I
like Otani, I like these.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Guys in smoky bets. Yeah, so all of them that
I'm going man. Of course they have this massive advantage
because of all the money that they spent, but I
kind of personally like them all because they look like
fun guys to be around.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
And then just watching greatness happen, right, it's always something
that you're probably on one side or the other. You go, well,
they paid for this, But how many other big market teams,
whether it's the Yankees or any some of these large
market teams, they're spending the same amount of money. But
it's a guy that is a generational talent like showy
Atani comes up in the biggest moments and goes seven

(01:09:51):
for seven in the World Series and our last two
games with five home runs and two doubles. I mean,
even if you're paying some of the other players that
you think are that upper echelon of hitter, they're not
performing at that level at that stage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
No, it's awesome, but it's also annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
So awesome if you're a Cubs fan, though, I am why.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
I say, it's also annoying that I have to like them,
because I do like the players individually.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
I know they're all likable. I mean, that's it. Freddie Freeman,
That's what I'm saying. What a stand up dude. All right,
just gonna want to hang out now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
I'm tired of him glazing the Dodgers that we're Doay, okay, okay, enough,
thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Be sure it leaves a comment. If you're on Spotify.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Sometimes I'll look over in the comment section if something
he likes him you didn't like, leave a comment over that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
We really appreciate that. That's Matt Castle. Let's kick off, Kevin.
That's Brandon Ray and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to
say goodbye, everybody lots to say with Bobby Bones and
Matt Castle. Is a production of the NFL, and iHeart Podcasts.
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(01:10:55):
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