Lots to Say: Week 1 Recaps and Fmr Pro Bowl Ben Jones

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Mattcastle is a
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, Just say.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lost.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Just say.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
We're better here and we hope you say because.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
We got lost, Just say, yeah, we got lost.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Just say.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now, here's Bobby in.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
That Welcome to the show. That's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby.
We're so happy we had actual football games.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
By the way, before we get to the NFL slate,
how was a Week number two of the college Week?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Number two was great? I mean we went up to
Michigan State. We were playing Boston College. Got to see
my old coach, Billy O'Brien, got to do when he
comes into the stadium.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I got to interview him, give him a big hug.
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
That was a nice moment. But then the game turned
out to be an incredible game. When double overtime Michigan
State ended. But that's what you love about college football
because you just never know what's going to take place.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I didn't think i'd like Bill o bri I do.
I had him. He was on the show last year,
so I spent half an hour with him. That's a
really cool guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Awesome guy. Great personality, fantastic laugh too, Like I guess
I wasn't that funny to him? No, you never got
laugh Well, we were talking ball. Who knows what you're
talking about. We were talking ball like at the Fighting
Buttchen two. That really brings it home. But I mean,
hell of a coach. We have a special relationship because
when I was in New England, he actually was the
wide receivers coach, so there's a different dynamic there than

(01:32):
when he's maybe your offensive coordinator head coach. So we
spent a lot of time and obviously early on I
was running scout team and he would beat doing the
cards and I'd always throw it to the wrong guy
because they'd circle people in there and make you force
it into coverage. And I was like, I'd never throw
that ball if I was playing, So I just throw
it to who I wanted to and then he would
get yelled at because I wasn't doing the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Then he'd yell at me. It was hilarious, but we
had a good time doing it. Yeah, I wouldn't make
him mad.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
I don't think you're a large hilarious all right. Now,
we're going to go back and forth as we often do,
let's go for threes. I'm still trying to come out
with the name three three things.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is this from last week? Looking ahead? What we're going
to do? Yeah, I think it's always moving forward. Yeah,
moving forward. We're doing like I do my three, you
do your three, my three year three ago. But I
have a good name for it, like three threes, thirty threes,
thirty three doesn't matter. Three for three, you go up,
You're number one? Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I think number one for me looking ahead is are
the Giants truly committed to Russell Wilson? Are they going
to already make the change, because Brian Daball was noncommittal
in his press conference right after and then came out
this week already and was like, yeah, we're going with
Russell Wilson, but that leash is going to be so short.
And it's unbelievable that we're in week two and they're

(02:47):
already talking about making a quarterback change to Jackson Dart.
And I know that Russell Wilson struggled, but why not
start the kid right off the jump?

Speaker 6 (02:56):
You know how I know Russell Wilson really struggled is
because Malik Neighbors didn't want to play anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And not only that, he wouldn't even high five day ball.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Do you see that interaction and Dave All's trying to
come up and like dap him up, and that has
to there has to be something behind that, And I
think that's exactly it.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So two things.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
When you talk about the Giants, I think Dable's probably
going this could be it for me. Right, I've had
the run, didn't work out with Daniel Jones, didn't work.
We could go through the last few years with the Giants.
I mean, he didn't have his own quarterback when he
started working there with the Giants anyway, And so if
it doesn't work this year, it may not work at all.

(03:36):
And as fair as that may not be, because I
think Jackson Dart is the guy, right, he's the future.
You probably want to play him have some success, even
if it's later in the season, so you can show
you're actually building something positive. So I understand why you
want to make that switch, that flip.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now, I agree. And you've got also a defense with
four first rounders. They've drafted, well, they've got dudes, you
said Molik Neighbors. You bring in Jackson Dart, They've got
a pretty good offensive line. But for him, he's got
to win now, and like, you can't let this thing
continue to play out with a quarterback that's not the
future of your franchise. And for as you said, and

(04:12):
I think you hit the nail on the head when
you said, if he wins now and shows progress and
promise that this as we build this into year two,
year to year three, that we might have something here,
then everybody in the organization, the fan base, they feel
better about it. But if you go and wait six games,
seven games and your dead last in that difficult division
and there's not a lot of promise, I mean, you

(04:34):
might get fired.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
I think with Jackson Dard as well, or any rookie
it could be in cert whomever rookie. It's going to
take one, two, three, four, or five however many games
to just get them to baseline, and you need to
get them there so you can get them above so
you can show that there is promise. If you wait
until week four or five, that's going to be three
jacks of our game before he probably feels comfortable starting.

(04:56):
If you do it now, that way, when you get
to week eight or nine, he may actually be in
the groove and you can show that hey we're the Giants,
we are now going to win some games.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
It could be Pa the rescue. Like last year. By
the way they sucked Week one.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're awful. That might change your mind. Yeah, I know
Denver didn't do much better.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Yeah, but with the Giants, I feel like for him
for his job safety, the quicker.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
They can switch to Jackson Dark and the quicker.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
They can have success because they're not going to be
a team that wins a lot of games this season.
But if in that second half they can go over
five hundred, let's say the last eight games they go
five to three, right, I think that's enough to give
him another year because they have a quarterback that he drafted.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Of course, and it's Week one right now, But people
don't understand a lot of times this is a seventeen
game season, so exactly what you're saying, you're going to
go through your bumps and bruises with a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's just the nature of the beast. As he learns
how to be a professional.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
He's got good guys behind him with Jamis Winston, Russell
Wilson who will take.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
On that mentoring role but help him grow.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
The back half of the season is where you want
to see them start to win games, put people away,
and you say.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Wow, look at the development that we've had.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
So I'm going to take years on a rollover to mind.
The Cowboys and Giants are playing this week. Yes, Cowboys
look pretty good. Hell yeah, they look good. The Cowboys
look offensively like a team that could win some games.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Now.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
I don't think they're gonna win thirteen games this season
because I don't think they have the defense to do it.
But the Cowboys, especially Dak look great. I mean, this
is prime Cowboy letdown game though. It's my point because
Cowboys are like a five and a half point favorite
going into this week.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
They should win.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Every part of them should win this game, especially because
we have no controversy in New York with the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Is it Russell Wilson. It's not going to be for long.
This is classic. Okay. We feel good about the Cowboys.
This is their week to.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And that's the thing that they have to guard themselves
against because last week all the different noise on the
outside of the building was about Parsons. They just got
rid of their most prolific pass rushers, which they did,
But where's that take them? They're basically thrown away the season,
not realizing they've got a high octane offense. And Dak

(07:10):
Prescott was hurt last year and he's a guy that
can play this position at a really high level. What
you think about him or not, he wins a lot
of ball games. And then to go out there and
yes they lost the game, but that was a competitive
ball game. And now you get an opportunity to go
back and have another divisional game right off the jump,
and you say you need to go out there and

(07:31):
pose your will on another team and win this game convincingly,
because I think that puts a lot of the other
all the noise, even it quitets even more down.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And that's really what they need to do.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
If they go out and crap the bed this week
and it's a loss to the Giants, now everybody picks
up again in the banter.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
And it's in Dallas, and it's in Dallas.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm not a Cowboys fan, but I'm hoping. I
like to see a team that's told, hey, now that
you made this decision, A is going to happen, and
then B happens.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh one hundred percent that underdog kind of you're idiots
and then go out and prove everybody wrong.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Lamb did not have He had a good game stat wise,
but did not have a good game and when he
needed to make a catch.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
He missed some opportunities. It's three drop balls. One of
them was real bad, could have changed the game.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Pivotal.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
Uh, did you ever a wide receiver that was awesome
but made like a couple inopportune drops and you just
had to go bro like, I know you got it,
then you but we're like, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
As a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's such a hard thing because you know when you
have a number one wide receiver like Cede Lamb, that
he's your dude. You're gonna he's gonna constantly be the
guy that you go to. And unfortunately, you know how
competitive he is, the pride that he takes in his position,
otherwise he wouldn't be where he is. And those things happen, right,

(08:50):
they happen, and sometimes it costs you the game. And
it's just the same thing is if I'm a quarterback
and you're driving late, you miss a throw, you throw
an interception, you feel that Ceedee Lamb feels that he's
going to come back work harder to do all that,
So it's hard to go up and be like, dude,
you got to get that he understands it. You don't
even have to say it. The biggest thing for me
always as a quarterback in those situations is to go

(09:13):
up and be there for the guy and say, hey, dude,
I believe in you. If we get another opportunity, I'm
coming right back to you, because you got to help
them flush that out of their system so that they're
not thinking about it come the next series.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
Were there times he purposefully went back to the person
or your wide receiver that made a drop just to
say that, well.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, Dwayne Bow, we're in Kansas City, I forget who
are playing. Drops a critical third down and so we
go off the sideline. You can tell he's pissed and
coaching staffs pitch and all that stuff. But I'll go
up to him and I'll say, hey, we're gonna get
another opportunity, and right off the jump, I'm coming right
at you. I need to stop saying right off the
jump because I've said it three times now. Right away,
I'm going to come back to you and throw you

(09:53):
the football and that's exactly what we did. And he
goes up and he makes a big play and then
we go down. So that number one wide receiver is
never going to stop be your number one wide receiver.
It's just that well, it's not a lack of focus,
it's just sometimes it happens.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yeah, that was dispunny because he played such a good game, right,
and he found ways to get open all game long.
That drop that would have flipped filled And again it's
been week and a half now, but that that's brutal.
They could have won the game. He easily could have
won that game. Yeah, so they for sure we'll lose
to the Giants. That's just how the Cowboys were. I'm
not a Cowboy lover. I'm not a cowboy hater, but man,

(10:30):
if they don't if they actually beat the Giants and
they win a game, they should win. Possibly we have
a different Cowboys team than we thought. Yeah, and that's
exciting because the NFL needs they need the Cowboys. They
need to get relative Cowboys team because it makes the
NFL more fun. It's like the NBA needs the Lakers
to be in the mix because it makes the league
more fun.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So I'm rooting for the Cowboys. Although I know Davi's
a boy.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Devo's my boy for sure, and I hope that he
does well and has all this success.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I just think they're in a bunch of turmoil right now.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
And it's it's very interesting when you look at their schedule,
their division, in their quarterback situation.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
That division is because the Commanders are gonna be good.
They're gonna be good. The Eagles are obviously gonna be awesome.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yes, and if the Cowboys are okay, that leaves the
Giants to just beat the Little Brothers.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, and that's the thing they have, dudes, to go
out and compete. Now, they just got to go out
and keep but that is a difficult division. All right,

(11:38):
you're up, all right.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I looked obviously we've all watched the Chiefs game right
against Chargers.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Chargers ended up winning that game.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I thought Herbert had an outstanding game, but looking forward,
you also saw two of the Chiefs wide receivers go down,
which is critical because they didn't have much of a
passing game. They didn't have much of a running game
other than Mahomes. And now you're going to play the Eagles,
and so it's another challenge. Right off the start of
the season, where you've got someone say right off the jump, no.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Why change you see that? I thought about that.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Some would say right now, somebody would say that, but
not I not I. I believe it's going to be
a really interesting matchup to see how they overcome one
that those injuries at the wide receiver position. But also
they're going up against the Eagles and it's going to
be a game where Mahomes is going to have to
have some magic. But I do believe that they're gonna

(12:32):
have to get the run game going in order to
help take some pressure off this pass game.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Yeah, Hollywood Brown is gonna be the number one now
going to have to be. Thank god he's healthy. I
mean he missed last year. Uh and she rises to
come back to what week six? So six games suspended
back in week seven? Worthy and you saw the doctor.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Or he malthed it. We saw him going that does
not look good. Yeah, well was it dislocated shoulder?

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, that's that's what it was. Yet they didn't say severe.
It was at least I haven't heard yet, Kevin Beard. Our
severe was because all of her was just thought at
his doctor. Yeah, they just said it's like a day
to day thing, and he'll play.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
With a brace.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Well, he's gonna play possibly if he does, it'll be
with a brace, but Andy Reid said it could be
like a day to day see how the week progresses.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I would say the benefit of that is he's a
burner anyway, So if anything, you can set him out wide,
throw him one or two and he has to keep
the defense. Honest. Look, we're not gonna thready the ball
because you can't reach above your head with the brace,
but run really fast and clear on the on the inside.
Just go, just go. Yeah, rough game Week two for
the Chiefs after losing Week one.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It is I mean this from a scheduling standpoint, to
go out there and play there in Brazil.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, that's terrible and you have to push on those games.
Here's wasn't Brazil, You're not Brazil.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
London and they said that I believe that the Chiefs
were the away team in that game. And so Todd
Blacklynch and no Eagle did that game last year and
they said that the way team stays about an hour
and a half away from the stadium, just so from
a travel standpoint to get the same versus the home
team that's right across the street from the stadium. That's
a big deal. So you're dealing with all these different elements.

(14:15):
And then to go out and lose to a division
rival and come back and play the team that just
absolutely smoked you last year in the Super Bowl. It's uh,
it's a tough scheduling, to say the least.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
I'll go again, I'll go Joe Burrow needs a big
bounce back game. They did win, but that's because the
Browns browned.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, what one hundred and forty total yards or something
like that.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Offensively, he well, Borrow specifically was fourteen for twenty three
for one hundred and thirteen in a touchdown. And I
was talking to kick off Kevin about this, and I
was like, I cannot believe the Bengals won, except for
they're playing the Browns. In the Browns Brown they found
a way to lose miss two field goals. Kevin made
a great point. The Bengals don't win week one or
week two. The stats are mind bogging, Yes when you

(14:58):
look at hom So this is actually big for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, they're always awful, yeah week one or week two,
but sometimes comes back to bite him like it did
last year.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Yeah, so my bounce backs are Burrow needs one. Now
they are playing Jacksonville. I don't know that we have
an accurate measurement of what Jacksonville knows. They beat a
bad Panthers. The funny clip at the Panthers game was
Bryce Young watching the football, like the which helmet is
the one that has the ball in it up on
the screen in the middle of the game.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
They have just watching it, and then he goes down
there's a pick like the next play. It was a
bad pick too.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
Yeah, So I don't think that's what made him throw
the pick, But the timing was terrible because that went
viral and I like Bryce Young a lot.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
And did they have a full weather delay too for yeah,
for like which was often almost two hours.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, and those games rolled into the four o'clock. Yes,
so you know, the big bounce backs needs to be
Burrow against Jacksonville if the Dolphins are going to bounce
back man two.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
It was terrible. It was bad.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
And then you talk about another wide receiver that was upset,
and we had a discussion about him last week, Tyreek Hill,
about why isn't he a captain? He's the most talented
guy in the team. It's stuff like that, the sideline antics,
the screaming at the coach, all that stuff during game
day becoming a distraction.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's why he's not a captain.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, and that's that's something that's going to be continuous
until they start to perform better.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Because that was awful. But how awesome was Daniel Jones?
We talked about him.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I'm a big Daniel Jones guy. I've been made fun
out for being a big Daniel Jones guy. I just
think he can do it all. I think he can run. Again,
don't confuse the pigment in his skin for somebody that's
extremely slow.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yes, he can run. He is athletic as all get out.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
And I don't think week one is the absolute let
must test of what he's going to do all season.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
No good name him comeback player in the year right now.
But how Yeah, he was awesome too? Was not?

Speaker 6 (16:49):
He went fourteen for twenty three as well, for one
hundred and fourteen yards, a touchdown and two interception. Two interceptions.
Now they're playing the Patriots. Patriots, not a great game, Kevin,
those are your boys.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, it was tough to watch.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
What did you think, what'd you think?

Speaker 5 (17:03):
I thought Matt could obviously speak, it's a lot better.
But offensively, he threw it Drake, I believe forty six times,
but it just looked very boring. Still everything looks boring,
and then I watch other offenses and I'm like, dang,
that looks fun. And I know they don't have like
a Derek Henr or anything like that, but it just
looked like offensively, it was a rookie quarterback still back
there that Josh McDaniels didn't trust.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, you know so much of that system too when
I was in it with Josh McDaniels, and you've always
seen it. It's a possession passing scheme, right, so it's
gonna be intermediate routes, it's gonna be screens, and then
you're gonna take your shots. You're not always wanting to
throw the ball forty six times. I think a lot
of that was the fact that they were behind and
they need to make up some ground late, so that
you're kind of put in this two minute mode where

(17:46):
you've got to go throw throw the football. But Stefan Diggs,
I would say, is their number one wide receiver. They've
got Douglas as well, who had a catch for a touchdown.
But Diggs, when you watch him, he's a really good player.
I mean he's a good route runner. He's not the
guy he used to be, and so he's not surrounded

(18:07):
with that one alpha that you need to go out
when it's one on one and you need him to
go win that battle for you at the quarterback position.
I don't think they have that dude right now, and
that's the hard part.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
And then what about the run I mean, the run
game was just.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Non existent, which was the most surprising.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
And Will Campbell had a bad game.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I mean, I get it, Yeah, he's playing.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Hurt, Yeah, and I get out. I'm not blaming him,
but the offensive line just they did a lot of
turnover there and they're week one, just there was nothing
to show for it.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, and that's it's still week one, you know, and
it's still a new system and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And the Raiders came out and played a heck of
a game.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
And Gino smith Man, I love Gino smith I love
how he resurrected his career in Seattle. But to go
out with a new organization week one and play the
way that he did. I think that the Raiders are
going to be a lot better than people give them
credit for.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
So I know we've done too.

Speaker 6 (18:57):
I'm gonna go do my third one before you do
your third one, because I want to roll up from
this conversation to that and that. Brock Bauers, I don't
know where he is injured in George Kettle out for
weeks now.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I was going to say, those are two massive injuries.
What's the latest on Boers?

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Because the last I saw, they were speculating it might
be an ACL, it might be nothing.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Do you see anything Kevin on brock Bauers, No, I.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Just see Carol saying and we're just going day to.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Day with it. Yeah, well Kittle is out, Yeah, Kittle, Yeah,
are now? Yeah? That's Goyah. It sucks too.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Kittle's on ire with a hamstring injury. He suffered a
hamstring injury during Sunday season opener over the Seahawks. He
only played twenty one of the seventy six offensive snaps.
He caught four balls for twenty five yards, and he
will be sidelined for at least the next four weeks.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Now, the good news is this is.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
The forty nine Ers next four weeks, the Saints they
can win that, the Cardinals, probably, the Jags, probably the Rams.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Are going to be a bit of trouble.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, Rams, but I think and also you're looking at
rock Party.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I mean he has two injuries. He has two injuries.
They said Fred Warner was banged up. They also said
Trent Williams was banged up. That's a red amount of
injuries that take place in Week one.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
It's also like last year for them, right, they had
all the last year, everybody was hurt. I think the
good thing about pretty shoulder injury, it's the wrong shoulder,
because I think his left shoulder is what's hurt.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It was the other It was this other injury that
they were worried about.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
So yeah, the forty nine ers moving forward, they have
a favorable schedule if they can, if.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
They can feel the team.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, they only because Christian McCaffery was on the injury report,
they're saying that he might not even go.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Luckily he did. He played really well.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
He played, caught a bunch of balls, ran a bunch
of ball. Yeah, they only need eight guys to beat
the Saints, So give it another week. Cardinals, they could
probably play ten on eleven to win that Cardinals is
a better, better football team this year?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Maybe? Huh maybe what who'd they beat the Saints?

Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Maybe barely? That's maybe. That's why I said maybe this week,
let's see we got the Cardinals.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Who are the Cardinals playing? And the Panthers? Yeah, Cardinals
joined that one the four Panthers. I picked him my
favorite team, and then that's what they do. Of course,
of course that's what they do. But it is going
to be the battle the small quarterbacks. One quarterback will
reign supreme, the battle of the small quarterbacks. Very athletic. Yes,
what's your final point?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I think this week and another intriguing game for me
is going to be Bill's Jets because when you watch
that game the Justin Field's played, he looked like a
completely different quarterback going up against Pittsburgh, and you can
say the same thing about how Pittsburgh looked, but for
that organization for them to come out and play that
way right right away against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, and

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he was making throws, He's doing it with his legs.
I just want to see if he can do it
again against another really good opponent with the Bills what's.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
The best game coming up this weekend? M Seahawks and
Steelers looks interesting. Nobody cares about those teams here, Like
it's nobody's Brandon's wife, that of account.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
She's like secondary. So you know, we're always drawn to
like our teams.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
But I'm curious to watch the Seahawks and Steelers play
just because they both had Seahawks did not win, right,
But I feel like that's a little bit of work
in progress. There's a whole lot of new parts up there,
whole lot of new parts. And how good is Aaron
Rodgers because his arm is still freaking great that first sack.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I was like, Okay, they're about to run him over.
He can't move. He got hit a lot, He did
get a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
He got hit a lot. But I'll tell you what,
the boy can still playing it. I guess it's Commander's Packers.
That's probably the best. I was gonna say, Commander's Packers
would be up there, and I must watch for me.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, it's a Thursday night, so we must watch it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, and the Packers, I mean, let's be honest, that
Packers defense. That front looked good before Parsons showed up.
But he shows up, they can go offensively. They've got
some skill. Jordan Love. I mean he's a good, really
good quarterback in my opinion. So then you got Washington.
When you watch them, they got weapons all over the field.
Jadan Daniels. That guy's a freak of nature.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
He's a freaky looks like they get broken every time
he drops back because he's small, he doesn't he make
Kevin Durant and.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Then he makes everybody mess when he runs the football.
If he can just splat out rip the ball anywhere
he wants.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, he runs around people with with it's like a deer.
He is deceivingly extremely fast, extremely fast, because I know
he's fast. But I was watching him outrun angles this
last week and Devo looks good.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Devo, you saw him of the he looked like he maybe,
you know, maybe put on a yeah box.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I don't know, maybe knows.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, he's got rid pads on, hip pads on. But
I'll tell you he can still run the rock.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
You want to know something happened to me so I
was talking about this on the show today on the
Bobby Bone Show, is that I got a call from
someone and it was a San Diego number, and I
answered They're like, hey, h so mu's trying to buy
four different purchases at home depot for fifty five hundred
dollars this year. It wasn't and so I'm like, oh god, Well,
the night before my card had to be canceled because

(24:08):
someone was using my debit card. And so the night
before I got an email and I said, is this
you using the card? And I pushed no, boom. We
canceled the card immediately. So I get that call the
next day and they're like, someone's trying to buy four
things at home depot. It's not going through.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Is this you?

Speaker 6 (24:22):
I'm like no, except they know a little too much,
meaning they know my bank, they know the type of
card it is, they know my home address, they know
my cell phone number, and they have my card number,
and so they're like, hey, we'll call on from your bank.
All of that is enough to make you think that
it's legit, and so I'm like yep, and they say, hey,

(24:42):
we need to verify that this is your account, so
we're gonna FaceTime you and are you able to get
into your account on your app? Let us know me,
you know, So they FaceTime me I'm half asleep because
I had fallen asleep at like three point thirty. Wasn't
feeling grab My allergies are killing me. So I answer
the FaceTime and they're like, feel just.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
A log on your app. And I'm like there's no way.
And I say to them, you're trying to scam me, yeah,
and there they're like no, so we're not trying to
scam me. And I'm like, yeah, you're trying to scam me.
I'm not going to do this and he gets like
sassy with me, and so all of this has been
running through my head. I'm like, how did they know
my phone number, my home address? Because if you just
get a credit card number or a debit card number,

(25:21):
you don't have all the other information. Just use that
and you have to use the CVV code and you
buy until they shut it down.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
So I just found out what happened. So I went
to buy something online that I buy a lot of
and I googled to get to it Razors something similar
something that I have to buy it, and so it
was a new product and I googled and so I
went to the site and I bought it, and I
remember not going through not going through not going through.
Turns out they had set up a full fake site

(25:48):
and so the reason it wasn't going through is when
you type in your name, your address, your credit card,
it goes to scammers who have set up a fake
site to like mimic what the actual site looks like.
So they had all that information, which is crazy. All
day long, in my head, I'm like, how do they
know my home address? Turns out they didn't know my

(26:09):
home address. They knew my business manager's address because that's
all my bills go, right, But they were like, you're
at this address and I was like, well they do
know that, so my bank does.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
But that's what it was. They set up a complete
fake website.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Wow, it looked exactly and seemed exactly like the other
side that I got there from Google. That's really scary.
It was crazy, and that's what I was doing with today.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, at least you didn't give them all your information,
because that would have been well, you know what they
did they did. They said how much is in your
checking account?

Speaker 6 (26:39):
And I told them and then they were like, okay,
this also could be your savings.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
How much in your savings? And I told them and they're.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
Like, Wow, we've got it, Ellison, we got it on
oh boys like face time now Facetimeum, now, I know
we'll get way more than fifty five hundred from home depot.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
But that was that was scary. I was like, how
do they know all this?

Speaker 6 (27:00):
But it turns out that they created the fake account,
a fake website to look like the site.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I don't normally get the phone call from American Express.
I do, so American Express I do, but all the
other stuff is going to my business managers.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
I was like, I did have to cancel my card
last night, so it makes sense. But it makes sense
because they were using it last night and then they
were calling.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah to verify, Hey how much you have? You should
have been scammed?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Huh No, I've just had well I've had similar situations.
I get a lot of text messages like there's this
amount on this credit card, please call so wee can
and now, and I'd call my business guy and I
would say this spamming's like absolutely, I just checked all
your accounts, nothing's wrong anything like that. But you will
every now and then they'll get a hold somehow of

(27:45):
your credit card and you'll have these random purchases I
forget the last one.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
It was. It was like a twenty six hundred dollars
neal at target. They went hard, They went hard in
the paint. They so hard. Yeah, grab the skateboard. They
from the jump, they went hard. Haven't you ever been scammed? No?

Speaker 5 (28:05):
I haven't, But it's funny you bring this up, because
I think we're in the middle of one right now too.
My wife got a letter in the mail from her work.
She stopped working because the kids let her in the
mail from their work that's like, hey, sorry, we accidentally
paid you like twelve grand over which happens because they
try to figure things out. And then so she was like, well,
can you provide evidence? They've been going back and forth,

(28:26):
and ever since she asked can you provide evidence, we
haven't her backphone because they asked it you need to
pay this within five days.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I'm not gonna Why would they do that.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Twelve grand and five days?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
I spent that vague?

Speaker 5 (28:39):
That sounds like a scam, right, that's a scam. And
then she was like, oh, well, can you what about
this my pto? Did you guys put all this in?
And they're like, oh, actually, it's like nine grand and
She's like, well, can you show me evidence of where
you got the nine grand from having her back?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Scam, scam Brandon, Oh, Brandon's been scammed. Brandon proudly has
been scammed.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well you saw it. It was right away. It was
a heavy nod.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
And then he's like, thank god. Yeah, don't really want
to tell you what I gave away.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Uh, we're gonna come back, all right, Your buddy's gonna
come in.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah. Benny Jones one of my favorite people. Have you
have played together?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
We did a Tennessee funny game, really funny speculate. I mean,
he's got to be six three three. He probably played
at three point fifteen. I think that was what his
weight was set at. But as soon as he would
starve himself the day before weigh in, so he'd make
weight and then he'd meet me in the breakfast area
and he'd have like four plates. So probably jump up

(29:32):
to three twenty pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Big old boy. All right, old boy, we'll come back
and do that. Mat We got lots. We got lost.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
What a better here? And we hope you said because
we got lost, just say.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah we got lost.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Just say.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
Here's that.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
We actually had football? What an exciting week. Seriously. Yeah, yeah,
Football's back. It was an incredible week one. It was,
and we had Ben Jones was I thought we should
clap our hands, Big Ben Joes. Great, Big Ben Jones
is right.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Why don't you introduce your friend Ben here so everybody
can have a proper group.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, Ben Jones one of my best buds. He's somebody
that grew up in Bibb County, Alabama.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Sounds like a wrestler, Yeah, it does, well. He he
kind of was a wrestler, Let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
When actually ended up going to Georgia, All American at Georgia,
gets drafted by Houston the fourth round, gets traded. What
in twenty sixteen, free agent, free agent two thousand, not
even a free agent twenty sixteen comes to Tennessee Titans.
I'm blessed to be there, be his teammate. He was
a Pro Bowler in twenty twenty two and a guy

(30:59):
that's just an iron man. Played through so many different
injuries but was the anchor for every offensive line. But
I'll also say this about him as a teammate and
as a human, he always made it fun. He was
always there for everybody and he's the guy that brought
the locker room together.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
So the great Ben Jones is here.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
My wife saw Ben walk by the window and said,
a large man is here. I said, well, that's my
cue to go down to the studio.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Ben. How are you? Man?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I'm great, happy to be here. And my guy called
me the other day. I was like, absolutely, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
So what's it like when football starts for you?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, look, you look forward to it. It's different now
that you're not playing. I'm like, man, I can sit back,
enjoy it. Look at different schemes, Look at hey, how
they're attacking defenses. Because you still have that in you
as a player. But now you're like, man, I don't
feel bad after games. I don't hurt. I can wake
up the next day. I'm like, man, this feels awesome.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
How many years you've been retired?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
This is going on your three.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Are you missing it less and just enjoying it more?
Are you shifting over there?

Speaker 4 (31:58):
One hundred percent? You definitely the first year out you
miss it. You miss everything, the hurt, the ache, the grind.
I'm just like I can enjoy it with my family.
I coached high school ball, so I kind of scratch
that itch that away, and now I can Thursday night,
Sunday night, Monday night, I can sit down and actually
I'm like, yes, I can enjoy football.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, let's talk about your first year out.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
You were undecided whether or not you're going to go
back and play, and so you were staying in shape,
which is hard to do to stay motivated in the
off season when you don't know the end result is
actually going to be saying, but I remember sitting down
with you at breakfast right where Yeah, We're sitting down
at breakfast, and all of a sudden, Ben says, hold on,
this is my agent. His agent's calling him because Miami
had both of their centers go out.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
So this is what weeks like right around Thanksgiving somewhere
around there, right, they happened versus the Titans center towards
aco first drive, the backup center popped his calf mid game.
They're like, hey, you want to come down this week.
I'm like, let me think on it.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
So this is like, not at the beginning of your
first year out, this is in the middle of This.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Is the middle of my first year. So I've been
training that whole year after I've been out and I'm like,
all right, I'm golfing with Matt like once a week, workout,
three days a week. It has already started, oh like
week twelve, and so it was four games left.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
There's four games left, So I all of a sudden
go on and look at.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Who they're about to play.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
It was like Baltimore Ravens Dallas. I was like, bro,
I don't know if you better tell them to hike
up the money anymore.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I was sit there, going, you sure you want this?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And then having to also talk to your family like
it's a crazy circumstance and how this all comes about
because they obviously need you, but at the same time,
you have a family there that's getting used to having
you home.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Right, no doubt. What was that conversation? Like, honey, maybe I.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Was like, hey, I got a call from Miami today.
She's like she gets quiet you there, She's like, what
do I need to tell about Christmas? I'm like, hey,
it's gonna be all right, let's talk through it.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I haven't said one worst case already.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Oh yeah she was. When I called her, She's like, oh,
he's gone.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is she crying?

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Oh? Never, not my wife.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
She is not a much at all.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
She's just thinking through it and because that's the first thing,
she's trying to make sure everything works. That's what our
wives do. They literally do everything for us when we play.
From everything in the home life Bill's I'm talking about,
they run the show. And she was like, Oh, I'm
gonna have to go back in the grind mode. It
was fin to turn into camp for her, So she
had to get her mind right if I wanted to
take that next steps and take the job with the

(34:26):
Jets or not the Jets. That was pre season. Yeah,
it was Miami from Miami.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I would assume though it's pretty quick, you have to
give a yes or no, especially mid season, because they've
got to make a decision because they're only calling you
because it's quick. We got to find somebody to fill
a gap.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah. They played Monday night and they called me Tuesday
morning while I was sitting in the country club eating
some breakfasts, about to go play around, and they wanted
me on a flight that evening.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And I'm assuming you said no.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I said no. I was like, as it came down
to it, I was like, Hey, what am I chasing?
Can I win a championship with this team. Is it
worth the risk to put my body through more harm?
I just had shoulder, elbow all fixed that off season.
I'm like, do I want to go back there and
risk that? And is it? What is it worth? Like?
Do I need the money?

Speaker 8 (35:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Do I want to go out there? If I'm sitting
there and it would have been the Chiefs or someone
like the Eagles, I'm like, I might have chased it.
I might have tried one more time just to get
that ring, but I didn't think Miami could win it
right there. I saw the four game stretch they had.
I'm like, I think it's better off for me to
stay right here with my family.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Did you ultimately know when you made that decision that
that might be the final time that you slept on
a field, because at that point you kind of you
had that opportunity. But again, it's it's always one of
those difficult situations because you know, maybe maybe this is.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
The I think if they were calling to say like, hey,
we need you to be a backup this week, not
to come in right that week start Week one versus
the Ravens or whoever they were playing that week, I'm like, oh,
is my am I in shape. Have I been training
hard enough? All that's going through your head? Am I
putting myself at risk for it? For my wife and
kids at home?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Is it worth it? And I'm like if this would
have been the Eagles and be like, hey, let's let's
bring you as a swing guy. We want to build
some depth before the playoffs. I've been like, yes, I'm coming,
but right there as a starter, I'm like, I don't
know if my body is physically ready yet for the
ground that I might have to do for the next
four to six weeks.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Let's go all the way back to your high school days.
Did you play center in high school?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Also? What other positions that you play?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, so I've had a crazy journey through the O line.
And so in high school I started as a freshman
at left tackle. My brother was the quarterback. Next year
his senior, I was the center. And me and him
are totally different. He is all ball, all time, mister,
keep me in line, like held everybody on the whole

(36:44):
team accountable. Like I had a bad snap, I walked
to the sideline, I might get punched in the face.
In school, if I did something wrong, I would be
having to call my mom at home, like, hey, I
got to fight school days hand the phone with my brother. Hey,
I got to fight for school today. She's like with
each other. So we fought literally all the way through
college like we were best friends. He was my father figure.

(37:06):
My dad passed when I was ten, so he was
our rock. He was the reason why I went barefoot
before every game because he was so superstitious. And I
carried that on all the way through high school, college
and pros to kind of show him like, hey, you
turned me into a man. You're a guy look up to,
And that was one of the key things. And high
school played everything center guard, tackle, defense, kick, punted I could.

(37:28):
I was literally all right, if you want me to
do it, I'll try.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Pretty good athlete.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
My bad played baseball, basketball, wrestled.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Weren't you a state champion as well? And wrestling.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Can you imagine getting in the ring with this guy
and you're like, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I think I wouldn't the Big Bear wrestling bear? My
kids calling the Big Bear? Did you like wrestling?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I did? I wrestled so ten years old my dad passed.
Now I get hit in the head with a baseball back,
like six months later had a crane anonomy. Didn't think
I was gonna live.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
How that happened.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I was at a high school baseball game. I was
behind home home plate and I went to walk out
to the outfield bleachers to get some money from my mom.
As I'm turning the corner, boom get hit with a
back somebody was swinging as I come around the dugout.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Oh you walked into it, walked into it, never saw it? Oh?
Oh do you remember it?

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Oh? I walked over to my mom crying, and she
told me to sit down and take deep breaths because
she thought I was You.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Didn't go to the hospital from the south. You like,
that's what you do, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Take some deep breaths and passed the concussion test Castle
somehow like shocker past the concussion test. I always get
through that one. Then I started getting sick, throwing up
because I had the blood caught or blood hematoma pressing
on my brain, so making me sick. So I go
in there, I have emergency surgery and the doctor is
like trying to hold me down because I wake up
from anesthesia too early, and they're like hold me down

(38:46):
to hand and he moves his hand. He looks, I'm
cut ear from ear. Little did he know two weeks
before that, I hit a barbar fence on a bicycle.
So I was super glued up that My mom superglued
me up. She didn't want to take me to the
doctor because I had a baseball game that night. Just
a different way of living in the South down there
in the small town. Oh, I think I was meant
to play for ball, not baseball another sport. I think

(39:07):
I think I picked the right sport.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So when you got to Houston, though, your first start
was actually at guard right, Yeah, I started my first
three years ago.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Who was your first start against? And was that a
wow moment for you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (39:17):
First start, a load of nada.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Oh gosh from the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
The biggest human being I lo out the sun who
First of all, I'm like, who is this? I can't
say his name. I wouldn't want to say his name
because I didn't want to mispronounce it. He's the largest
human I remember firing off and hit. Now I'm like
scout only I'm like, who is this guy? I'm like, yeah,
don't mess with those guys.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
Yeah, did you know on tape he was going to
be as difficult and as large as he was or
was that You have to experience it in person to
actually understand it.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, you see him on tape, but they had him
mount Cody Terrell, Suggs, all these guys. They all just
look to you, Oh, he's just normal. Then you walk
up to him, I'm like, that's not normal.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
And they used to line him up off the ball
and give him a five yard head start.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm like, then they were like said, oh, we're going
to formation this so he's not on you. Where do
you think he went? He went to the rookie every
snap for the next six games. I got him Kyle Williams,
na Dominic Sue. I'm like, oh, y'all all just want
to pick on the rookie over here, not the twelve
year pro bowler on the other side, Leave me alone.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Was that a bit overwhelming your first X amount of games?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
You were getting the best of the best, because they're
probably like calling Dibbs like I got to mow you down,
and so you're like, I was there ever a question
like I don't know if I can do this.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Back then, I'm like, I was just excited to get
the opportunity. I was having to block JJ Watt every
day in practice, who had twenty sacks every year. I'm like, man,
if I can somewhat block him in practice, I can
block these guys. So I think going in practice versus
him kind of gave me the confidence that I can
go out there and do it on Sundays.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
So they go ones and ones. You would work out
against him.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Oh So in the NFL it's a little different, Like
veterans get a lot of days off. So I would
come in and take all ten reps of scout team,
then turn around and do I was a starting right guard,
so I would take three reps at starting guard, three
reps at center, three ups at left guard. So all
this could get a break. But I would take twenty
stuck straight plays while they take three. Gotcha in shapefell Oh?

(41:10):
I could play all day. The hardest part was practice.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well, if you were to pick a position, would you
have rather played guard or did you like center more?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So? Oh?

Speaker 4 (41:18):
One hundred percent center. Why I'm a strong guy. I
like making the calls and I don't have to put
block those freaks on the edge, Like I don't. Don't
give me a guy who's six six and can tie
a shoe standing up. Give me the biggest, strongest fat
guy out there, Sign me up.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Who was the bull? Who was the ultimate gap filler
that you played against?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Oh, Vince will Ford because he was I couldn't tell
if he was touching me or the guard, that's how
white he was. He was just three hundred and eighty
pounds in the gap. I'm like, you're not gonna move him,
so I'm gonna it's like dancing with the bear. I
just try to cover him up and not let him
make a tackle. But because you're not gonna move him,
he's that big. He's doing his job. But you didn't
have to worry about hi pass blocking though.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
How pissed were you when they took out the backside
cut cut blocking drill? I mean with that rule where
they said you're no longer allowed to cut cause I
mean I remember back.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
In the day when we first came in the league.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
If you're running outside zone, they just are cutting at
their legs and they're just getting after these guys. And
they hated it, but what it would do is back
them off a little bit. But then all of a
sudden they said no more of that there's too much
risk of injury.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, that's that's probably why I was starting at guard
because I could care less. I didn't watch pro football
growing up. I grew up in the South. Sunday you
went to church and you went to grandma's house and
went fishing. Like, didn't watch pro football at all. Like
I watched Alabama, Alburn, Georgia. Other than that, didn't watch TV.
So I was like, who are these guys I'm blocking?
Didn't know them, and I was like, I didn't care.
I didn't cut I cut anybody. Like some people, Hey,

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you shouldn't be cutting him. I'm like, is it. I'm
just gonna here. I'm just doing my job. This is
cut on the pate. I'm cutting you.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
And some of it was that don't cut them well
out of respect because they're yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
They're like, hey, this guy's in year ten, Like, hey,
you probably don't want to make him mad. I'm like,
make you mad?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I'm trying to win here?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Always mad?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, Like I didn't know the difference between college and
pro and how to practice. Like in college, I treated
every day like a game. I didn't care if you're
the starting nosegar starting lineback. If the player I was
supposed to cut, I cut you in practice. Didn't care
if you did that in pro practice, they would run you,
they would fight you. I'm like, woy, are y'all so
upset like this, I'm practicing like a game. They're like, no, no, no,

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that's not how we practice here.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
So you spent a few years with the Texans before
he went over to or you came over here where
we are to the Titans. You said you left as
a free agent. What like, what was it about Tennessee
that made you come?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Definitely Matt Castle.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I wanted to be there together.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah we did. It was a big selling point. But
the biggest thing was I wanted to be the leader
of the room. I was gonna be the oldest old
lineman in our group at year five. I wanted to
run the show as offensive lineman. And they sold me
the dream of like, hey, we're bringing into Marco Murray.
We're changing the culture here, Like we're gonna run the ball,
We're gonna pound the ball, We're gonna go back to

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being a a tough Tennessee team.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Who's selling you that dream?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
John Robinson and Mike Mularkey, They're calling me. I'm like, guys,
y'all are the worst team in football. Y'all have the
first pick. I just want a division in Houston. And
we always like, hey, stat game versus Tennessee, Like, we're
gonna go down there. We're gonna play hard, We're gonna
win this game. We're gonna run the ball for a
lot of yards. I'm like, why would I want to
go there? But they sowed me that dream and I
was like, man, I want to do something different. I

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want to get back closer to the home. And I
was like, I'm in, let's go.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
And that's one of the things that I always appreciate
about you because a lot of people don't understand how
much goes into playing the center position. Obviously, you take
on those big guys that he's talking about and the
matchups that you have on the inside, but it's the
mental side of the game, especially for a center, because
as a quarterback comes up to line of scrimmage, we're
trying to set protections. But he also was my eyes
and ears at the line of scrimmage where he's communicating

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constantly to these guys, and I remember, Ben, you would
always have your own meetings too, with these guys and
we'd go in for a third down, which is always
the most pivotal down for situational football, to keep the
drive going. But Ben would run the meetings talk about
like was that just something that you knew that's what
we needed or because you took a lot of pride
in that and you were a leader of that room
and that showed every every single day.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah, it's only so much you can hear from a coach.
For me, I'm like, if I made the calls, if
all my guys saw me at there at four thirty
the morning, staying like doing all these extra meetings, they
trusted me with anything. I could have told Lawan or
any of the other guys to do anything. They're like absolutely,
Ben knows it. Like I could have made a check
in there, like no question lines like absolutely because he

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is not there in the morning, Yeah, he's gonna show
up and do exactly what Ben tells me. He's absolutely,
I'll do what anything he says. And I kind of
built that out of respect and there, like, hey, he's
gonna do all this stuff on the tape, he's gonna
be here every day, he's gonna practice every day and
he's gonna play in every game. They knew I was
gonna be there no matter what injury I had, and
I was like, hey, I'm gonna do it a certain way,
and I wanted to build a different kind of culture here.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
You blocked for Derrick Henry. Absolutely, he ever run up you?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Oh? Did he? I think that's why everything got fixed
on my right side and everything else. If you didn't
move your guy, he moved you. And that was the thing,
like you got the way or you were gonna get
ran over.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Back the first time you saw Derrick Henry and you
saw he was going to be playing with you, what

(46:38):
were your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Crazy story. So my brother was a strength coach at Alabama.
I was coming home from my rookie year in the
league and I walk into the baseball strength coach in
the strength department. I see a guy leaving workouts, no
shirt on. I'm like, is that Dante high Tower. He goes, No,
that's that new freshman that we just got here, Derrick Henry.
I was like, oh, he's eighteen. I'm like, that is

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a grown man. Then four years later he's on my team,
the quietest human being but me, and he is like
my brother, like I talked to him at least once
a week, or we're so tight, our families are tight.
And he's literally one of my best friends.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I mean he had two thousand yards that one year.
What was it like being a part of that? And
what kind of gifts did he get you?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Dick? I know he got you out. I know he's
a gift giver.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
He is the man. He takes care of us. He
went to every Old Line dinner with us. He might
be a little late, but I saved this seat beside him.
I knew he's only two twelve ounce pul As I
would get his meal, he'd come in, he'd eat, talk
a little bit and bounce, but he was gonna be
there to eat them steaks every week and just the
unreal guy. But that was special, Like we had goals.

(47:43):
He would set goals like, hey, what do you want
if we get this this year Russian title? I get
two k So every week you never saw Derek get
up off the ground by himself in the game. We
were picking his butt up, know how heavy he was.
We would pick him up, get him back in the
huddle like hey, you got one moe in you And
it was special. Like you're chasing greatness, Like how many
two thousand yard rushers out there are? It's not a

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lot to be able to do that and accomplish that.
That's like an old lineman's dream, and he did. He
hooked us up every year, from rolexes to every kind
of device in your house. I got pac Man machines,
I got it all you name it that. We got
it from him.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
I mean he and possibly Saquon, but he is the
only for sure running back first round Hall of famer
right now in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Will get there. But that's a hall of fame.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Guy, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
How long until you realize one that.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
Listen, he's big and he's fast, but he also would
have the legitivity Like he's talked a lot about spending money,
investing money into himself, and I think that's probably a
big part of his success.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
He is so dialed into his all his routine, from
his diet to is how he takes care of his body,
to what he's how he takes care of a massage
and prep work. It's every single day, Like you can
see him in the off season. Everything is built off
of Hey, when am I going to train? Who's going
to do massage. Who's going to do this? He is
so dialed in that well, and he's been doing it

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his whole career, and a lot of guys do it
when they're later trying to add a couple years left
in their career. For me, I was like a guy
that big, that strong, that physical to really only miss
a handful of games with a broke foot, that speaks
highly of how much he cares. And a lot of
guys once they get paid, they kind of relax a
little bit. I feel like he's been out to try

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to prove it the whole time.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
How excited were you when he finally got that opportunity
to go to Baltimore because it gave him that's that's
not a new standard for Baltimore, just to potentially go
win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Absolutely, that's what you're sitting there wanting. We're talking through it,
and you want to see his career just keep climbing.
And we're definitely Ravens fans at our house. We watch
him every Sunday. He's on my fantasy team like he
is my guy, and he's in the perfect scenario. You
got Lamar Jackson out there, So if you want to
dial in on him. Good luck. You got to stop

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lamar too.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Let me ask you about spitting, because this past weekend
we saw it a couple times change games, the trajectory
of games, because I don't think the Cowboys would have
been able to run as much up the middle had
that not happened, uh, after the after the kickoff, right,
And then secondly we saw in the Florida game like
that lost in the game. I feel like offensive a

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defensive linemen are probably spitting a little more just naturally.
Is that the ultimate insult that somebody spits on you?

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Absolutely? That or a slap, So.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
We saw that too though with slap, but I would
say a spit is just so disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah, some spitting is gonna happen just naturally, right, Yeah,
but but there's an obvious.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Yeah that's uh, it's kind of gross.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
But more than gross, it's like yours, you were disrespected.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, that's pretty bad. Yeah, I ar give you that.
That's that's pretty bad. I've been. I've been, I've been
thrown out the game with him if he spit on me.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Is that does that happen that we don't see offensive
a defensive line because again, your proximity is so close, right, well,
we were able to see with Dak well, there was
a good amount of distance. That was a strong spit.
The camera's on them. It's him going up to all
the Cowboys players spinning on deck. Is that happening though
a little more with the interior offensive defensive lines, and
we just don't see it.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
I think it's more of a respect. Like I blocked
say Aby Jones at the Jaguars for twenty two times
over eleven years from and I knew it's I played
with him at Georgia. I knew his family, like his
whole goal was to get a sack on me. We
fought every single play like we hated each other. But
as soon as a game over, hugging talking about his fans,

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you gotta have some respect this game. You got to
play in between the whistles. You play as hard as
you can, but it comes down to, hey, you're a
good person. You got to respect others because you're setting
example for not owing your family, your kids like you
are a romo. Everybody is watching. What do you want
to be? What do you want to put on tape? Like, yes,
if you're a hard player, that's great. But don't be disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
But who didn't you respect because you know that there's players,
Like you've got respect for most players at least you're
giving them the benefit of the doubts.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, but there's those dudes.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Oh yeah, I'm saying to some people. Yeah, like when
you play, say Sue, you don't wake up the sleeping giant, Like, hey,
if it's you're playing a noon game, like, hey, you
playing against Tennessee and a lot of guys probably ain't
watching Sue, like you're not. You're not doing anything extra.
Hey you good man? You get up off the ground, like,
hey you good. There you good. You're not trying to

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wake that giant up during the game.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Do you remember when he cold cocked Marco?

Speaker 4 (52:32):
He punched the Marco in the face in the game,
and they didn't catch it on.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
It, catch it, I'm sitting Just release the ball. You
saw it too, Like Tom, I gotta block your whole lot.
Leave him alone.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
It's almost like you don't want to get huld Cogan
mad because when he starts shaking his head, Oh yeah,
you don't want that, And when he doesn't feel the
slaps anymore, that sounds a bit like what Sue might
have been like.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Yea, yeah, you don't wake that giant up. You're nice
to certain guys and the thing, but then you know
who to talk to. Like you get a d lineman
who's a rookie and they're trying hard.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I'm like, what who are you?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah you peace, congratulations, I'm glad you made it up today.
So you know how to poke the bear on some
of them.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Aaron Donald, what was he like going against.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
He's one of those guys You're like, it's not the
fact that he's gonna run you over. You just couldn't
touch him, Like you'd go and punch and you'd be
like where do you go? Like how did he possibly
get in between both of us? Like he was like
Houdini out there. I'm like, it's no way he's gonna
fit in between this little crack. He would find a way.
And he was the most dynamic physical freak that you

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ever played. And he could go every play and talk
smack with the best of them, like he lets you
know you're like I know, I know, I know you're good.
We're gonna try to double team and slide slide the
protection to you every play, and you knew like I'm like,
thank goodness, I wasn't the worst old lineman at that
point in my career because he didn't come to me.
I'd get some like some.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Little noseguard who had no business being on.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
The film, like, yes, I'm blocking you. You can deal
with Aaron. I don't block you.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Good luck the physicality of your position.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
A lot of people don't appreciate the offensive lineman because
they're usually not the focal point of what's going on.
But you got constantly play through pain. How many surgeries
have you had and talk about the one bone? Yeah,
your collarbones coming out your chest. Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Yeah. I've had multiple hands, knees, ankles, they took out
my labrum, did everything to my elbows. Collarbone that it's
still it gives me a little trouble. I'm a golf
swing definitely. I get it caught in a twist and
collarbone comes through, sticking in the back of my throat.
All the fans and reporters think I have the stomach

(54:38):
brus because that bone is sticking in the back of
my throat, tickling it making me throw up.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
No way, yes, yeah, story, So.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
They had I come to the sideline. It was on
third down thinking goodness and had to come out. I
come to the sideline, I'm like, hey, my collarboneses out
and they're like, what do you mean it's I'm like
it's poking through. They're like, oh, yeah, it's in the
back of your throat. Let's get this back in. So
I'm like trying to put it back in place on
the sideline and they throw it back in. They're like,
all right, can you snap? So every time I snapped
would pop out and hit me in the back of

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the throat. So I'm like constantly throwing up because.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
It's a gags right, stick your finger down.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
You gonna thought imagine a bone hit in the back
of your It's gonna make you throw up. So I'm like,
my wife's in the stand, my mom's there that game.
She's like, it's been sick, Like, what's going on? I
wish I was sick. I wish I had the stomach back. Yeah,
like so, and I had that point. I had a
streak of starts going on, so I'm not coming out.
So all the next week, a couple of weeks of practice,

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I couldn't snap it practice. I just him the football
and go out there and practice, and I'm like, all right,
I'm gonna tough it out during the games, and it's
gonna just keep poking out, just figure it out during
the games.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Do you ever have a quarterback that's so nervous you
can fill his hands trembling under center. Oh?

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, we had one of those. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
He was like, because I think that's what I would
be doing. I think my first game i'd be like,
oh god, and I want to be to see it.
But with the thing in me that shows when I'm
nervous my hands.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
We had a quarterback was on peace squad, and I
think he was gonna get elevated. He like, I never
took snaps with him in practice, and they're like, how
was he. I'm like, besides him, just give me a
butt message.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
The whole parat you kind of we're excited by it.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Oh what is we guy here? This is new, this
is a this is a new territory. I've been down here,
but yeah, I could. I can see for a quarterback
and center, it's a different relationship. Like how many guys
walk up and just hey, let's put your hands right
up in somebody's butt.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Let's get intimate. Now.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Yeah, so I feel like if some quarterbacks take it
a little different other so I always try to lighten
the mood. No telling what I would say or do
to him, but it always made it the relationship better.
As the years went on, you two played right and
you you We had too many good moments.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Too many good moments.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
The thing that I remember most also is the locker
room and the banter that Ben would create. So he's legendary.
If it's your birthday, he knows it's your birthday. So
what he does is he comes up and he'll go
to great lengths to smash you in the face with
a birthday cake.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Well it happened anything or anything anything basically.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So you could go through countless guys in the locker
room and they all have been smashed by Ben Jones.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Two of my favorite well one was me.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I was walking and I didn't know my wife of course,
text message some of my buddies like, hey, it's mass birthday,
make sure you celebrate. I'm they distract me when I
come in. Next thing I know, I get just mashed
in the face and I'm telling.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
You, I thought I broke my nose.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
My eyes are watering, and none of the cake actually
sat on my face because dummy, here it was a
frozen cake.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
I thought I got a out of refrigerator.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
It was actually, bro you have the ice cake?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
No it was it was one of those public.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Cake that's basically it's an icy It's like, hit me
in the damn face with a brick.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
So I thought, I broke my damn nose. My eyes
are water like, what the hell? He filmed it?

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
And then the other one tell him about Arthur Smith.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
So me and Arthur Smith we had we went at
it like, oh see, Like he's like, you can't get me.
I went links and bounds to get him. I got
him at a low office one year on his birthday
because he was like on a holiday. I schnuck into
his own house when he was Atlanta falcons coat. I
figured out when he was getting back into town. I
had drone footage on different maps. I'm like, all right,

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that's cameras there. I staked it out the night before
to see if he had motion lights in his house.
I'm like, all right, he's he's FedEx man. He's gonna
have some kind of security that's gonna set off something.
I army crawled through the trees through his house. He
had a broken sprinkler head, which he should have thanked me.
I helped him out there. I'm like, there's a sprinkle
head for him, got in there, looked in there, doggy
door in his house. His wife's like, what are you?

(58:33):
So he's sitting on the couch. It's like eleven thirty
at night. I come running full Superman over the couch
and boom hit him right in the face on his
own couch. He was like, how did you know? I
was even in towns like everybody. Nobody is safe, nobody insane, nobody.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Bobby's your birthday? Yeah, no, I don't have one. That's
the thing. I no longer have a birthday. Was it
always Georgia for you? Were you always gonna go to Georgia?

Speaker 4 (58:56):
So that was a big thing, Like my dad went
to Georgia. When once he passed, I was like, if
I could ever go to Georgia, it was a one
hundred percent locked for me.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Well, how many stars were you?

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Three star? So I was literally I had no film nothing.
My senior year, I literally whatever school I went and
took a visit to they offered me so I was like,
I really want to go to play at Georgia. So
I went to Georgia camp and literally they didn't know
who I was. I lined up and went twenty straight
reps in one and at that point I didn't know
who the coaches were, and they were like, you do another.

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I was like, how many damn times you want me
to go? Like you got I've already beat these I
was like, I've already beat all these guys three times.
They were like, all right, we'll take h We'll take you.
Then the next week I went to Alabama and kind
of the same thing happened. And that was the thing,
Like I was like, all right, I got the two
schools I wanted. I'm done. They were like, hold on,
keep it alive for your recruiting stuff. On my Georgia
offered me, I'm going there and I'm gonna be there

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in six months.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah, so twenty two night, When did you go to Georgia?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I went there eight? So I was there? A staff?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Were there? Was staff?

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah? Stafford? Was Rick your coach?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Yep? Marts coach?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Were you there all your years years with Rick? Was
did you ever play with? Uh? Who did you? Was
something if it's the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Ball Geno Atkins, Rashad Jones justin Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Uh, yeah, you guys have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
We were loaded.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Did you love college?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
I absolutely had a blast. It was the best four
years of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And you lived in a house too, with like how
many dudes? It was five of us, five five guys
were they all all on the football team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
All football walk ons. Everything we had.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I can only imagine that place.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Oh, the Mounted Dars, And they always said, I would say,
who won't. I remember trying to do the super Troopers,
Like chug the bottle of syrup at like two in
the morning's one hundred percent fake by super Troops. They
had to be coke cal It's no way you can
there's a rug a bottle of syrup. No, but you
would try.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I tried.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I tried. I tried it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Eight praying man s, eight bugs, eight night crawlers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
That's drink tree ass bumpkin in you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
So my rookie year here go cast So they would
pay the most outrageous amount of money for anything you
would do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You're saying the rookie year in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Yes, oh yeah, I'm like I was dirt broke I'm like,
cheap as I can get. I'm like, you're gonna pay
me ten grand to eat that? Like drink my piss? Absolutely?
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
They're like drafting the fourth round, right, they get a
little money.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, but if you're gonna pay me that, Oh no,
there's a like if somebody offers you ten thousand right
off the Oh you want me to drink hotel water?

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Absolutely? You mean to eat a cot roach and let
it run around my mouth?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Yeah? Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I lived my whole rookie year off of cash. My
financial advisor was like, hey, do you did you lose
your credit card or debit card. I'm like no, sir.
He's like, you haven't spent money. I was like, oh,
I'm not gonna be broke, Guysanna, I'm gonna make this
money last. I'm like, I'm not going back to that
farm in Alabama. I'm gonna make this NFL money last
a long time. Did you do well with saving your money?

(01:01:48):
I've put it away, put it away, and now I
get to spend a little bit, I guess. And he
got married and then kids, and I have Amazon at
my house every day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
So when did you know it was over?

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
For you playing. Yeah, I think when I had three
concussions in one year and you have to come home
and make that, you look at your wife and kids
and like, eh, I could probably keep doing this. Then
I sat down with Rabel in his office and he
was like, I can't be responsible if something happens on
the field, And I got to call your wife because

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he loves my daughter. My daughter was always in his
office and he was like, as your friend, like, I
know you're going to keep playing until I have to
drag you off this field. Like I can't be responsible.
He's like, you need to retire. I'm like, let me
make that decision on my own and let me train
and figure it out. But I respected him for that,
and that was one of the things I'm like, hey,

(01:02:39):
somebody else is telling me this, should I really honestly
be playing. He played for such a long time. I
was like, is he looking out for me at this point?
I'm like at the time, I'm like, I was just mad.
I was like, now I want to keep playing. But
when you think about it through those times, you're like, man,
he's probably right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You were with Verbel obviously as as your head coach,
but you're also with him in Houston. So you guys
had a long, long relationship. And what is it about
him that makes him such a good football coach?

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
I think you can really to him. He cares about it.
He's out there living it with you. He's out there
at practice doing every drill with you. He's coaching you
through it. It's not just like, oh, it's coaches players.
He holds the coaches accountable in front of the players,
the players accountable. It's no question that you can't ask him.
And he's the same to everybody, like he's gonna treat

(01:03:25):
me the same way as the other guy, and he's
gonna rip everybody. So nobody was safe in a meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Did he also love on you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Absolutely, he knew. That's what you give him credit. Like
having family at practice, having everybody there to support you.
He knows when you're having hard times, like say when
my granddad passed, he was like, hey, go get away
from football, Like, go home, see your family, Like you
can take off of ota, like, don't worry about it.
I'm like, no, I really want to be here. He's like, hey,

(01:03:52):
he meant a lot to go home and spend some
time with your family. So he understood stuff like that,
or kid was in the hospital all night. He'd be like, Ben,
you've been in the hospital for all night having slept.
I'm like, hey, how about this. I do practice, then
I leave for meetings. He's like, sure, if you want
to be here, that's fine. I can't technically kick you
out of the building. But he would try to give
you breaks and he understood that, Hey, you have a

(01:04:14):
family at home and it's not always football.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I know that you guys have stayed close too, and
he's even called you and tried to get you come
up be his old line coach. What don't you think
you're Some of his challenges now that he takes over
the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I think it's to build that relationship with those
guys because it takes time, Like you got to trust him,
you got to you got to show them your method,
and it takes winning to show it works, because sometimes
you're like, man, this guy's crazy, Like this method, how
can this work in a week in and week out?
But it takes a group of guys believing in something,
and once you start winning and you're like, oh, this

(01:04:46):
this makes sense. Like he is looking out for the
best of us. He is he is all in for this,
so it just takes a little bit of trust and
know he's got the best interest for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
What are you doing now to scratch the edge, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I'm coaching high school ball at Endsworth, even though he
goes to FRA with me. H yeah, yeah, so I confused.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
So it's basically another school.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Your dad, your daughter goes to one coaching or another. Yeah, okay,
fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
So the reason behind that through that year off when
I was struggling trying to figure out what's the next step,
Tim Hauseback was the guy when that reached out to me,
is like, hey, I know what it feels like going
through this. You're kind of feeling lost. I know you
still want to play and stuff. But he's like, hey,
how about you just come out to spring practice and
just hang out and see if this scratches the itch.

(01:05:33):
So I literally went out to the spring practice just
to help for six practice. I'm like, oh, it was fine.
Didn't think I was on gett into high school football,
went off for the summer with the family at the beach.
Then I came back. He's like, hey, what are you doing.
I'm like, I'm back home. Kids are in school. He's like, well,
I could really love you in the booth to help
out on Friday nights. So I'm like, sure, I'll come
on Friday nights to help out. Then it turned into, hey,

(01:05:55):
you want to help with some run game and give
us some insight on that. Now I'm there every single
day in the box helping Matt with the run game,
and it's just a cool dynamic. Him and his brother
got to work with his father last year passed away
this year, and he was like a rock for me,
like he'd been through it. He knew you seeing a
guy who lives a certain way, how raised his sons.

(01:06:16):
He's out there with his grandkids and it really opened
my eyes up to what a family looks like and
how to do it together and do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It the right way. And you're also now covering. You're
on the radio now, buddy, you're radio personality. Welcome to
the wild side.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yeah. No, I feel like when I played, I've stayed
as far as possible from the media because all I
cared about was winning, and I hated the media, Like
I'm like all they could be is negative, like nothing
good could come from this, Like all I care about
is winning. I don't care about what anybody else thinks
about me. All the people I care about was right
here in this room. Probably would have helped a little
bit if i'd have been They just saw this side

(01:06:50):
of me and got to see how much I actually
enjoyed playing the game and how much I cared about
my teammates. But I didn't care what they thought.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Are you finding it difficult to criticize the times now
that a lot of people are gone, it makes a
lot easier.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Yeah, yeah, you still have that passion because you don't
know what's going on in that building. Like yes, I'm
quicker to say, like, hey, hold somebody accountable up top,
Like hey, I know cush Cushion Berry their center, Like
know him as a good dude, Like I know Jeff on
the other side, I know Luke Stock at their tight
end coach. Like no, I'm not gonna talk bad about

(01:07:24):
those guys. I know how hard they work, But it
comes down to it, like you gotta win games, especially
at the Titans, like you got you got. Something's gotta change,
Like you can't do the same thing over and over
and expect something different. But I hope they get on track.
I think they got a young quarterback there that's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Turn it around. He looked dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I think he's special. Yeah, I think he's gonna be
special for him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Well, then we really appreciate it coming by me. This
has been awesome. I enjoyed it, all right, Ben Jones,
thank you, Jes great appearance the man. All right, thanks
to Ben for coming in. You know, I'm gonna read
a social media he doesn't have one. You have one? No,
I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
I was gonna ask Castle the same.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Uh, he's deaf only on social media's maybe maybe he's
got a burner account or something like that, because I
see him scrolling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
On that stuff. You never changed your name. I'm working
on it. You don't have to.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
I need Tom underscore Castle sixteen. Like people don't even
know it's you. Like if I tag you publicly, they're
just like, I don't know who m cassol is or
if it was a Well that's what most people think
unless they know you. Y, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
So what was what were some of the tags? I
need don't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
It's just my advice to you, as somebody who lives
in this space is have a social media handle, a
name that most people will know it's you whenever they
see it. No one knows m underscore Castle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Is you okay? Is it sixteen? Does you have a sixteen? Yeah? Sixteen?
I don't know. So if I change it, does you
don't lose any followers. Don't lose any followers. I don't
have to get a new blue check mark.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
I would have your person do it, though, because you'll
end up killing your whole site somehow, you'll get scammed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
It'll all be a disaster. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
I have no idea what I'm doing on those things.
Definitely have them do it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Yeah, but this is the last time I recommend it
because I think you're really good at what you do,
and I think that is an element that is being underserved.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Thank you. You know you're looking out for me. I'm
being I'm taking this seriously. I am, even though I'm
smiling at you because you're making fun of my stage name.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
But I do need it whatever the it is. Come on,
I didn't even have social media INTI like three years. No,
I know, and that's my thing. I think some people
would love to follow you if they knew it was
actually you. Like when I tag you and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
Yeah, people are like, I don't know who his partner is,
m underscore Castle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
But if they were like, oh, Matt Castle quarterback, that's it,
that would be cool. It makes more sense.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Let me Matt Castle QB or something like that. Okay,
it is available. Well you better get it again real quick. Well,
I don't know if the have your guy do it
and then before this post.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Oh dangang, Oh yeah, there's charges right now, six thousand
dollars for it so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
That's m Casal sixteen. That's that's Kickoff Kevin. That's Brandon
ray On. Bobby Bones, thanks again, said them for coming by.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
We've had lots to say goodbye, buddy, lots to say
with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of
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Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
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