MOVIE MIKE'S MOVIE PODCAST: Mike talks to Adam Stein and Zach Lipovsky who directed Final Destination Bloodlines. They share stories behind the coolest deaths, how veteran stuntwoman Yvette Ferguson came out of retirement to become the oldest person ever set on fire on camera, the films that inspired them to become directors, and the episode of Goosebumps that Zach starred in as a kid! Final Destination Bloodlines is now available on digital and on 4K UHD on July 22! In the Movie Review, Mike talks about 28 Years Later starring Aaron Taylor-Johnson. Oscar-winning director Danny Boyle and writer Alex Garland reunite. It's been almost three decades since the rage virus escaped a biological weapons laboratory, and now, still in a ruthlessly enforced quarantine, some have found ways to exist amidst the infected. Mike talks about what sets it apart in the franchise, why it’s one of the most beautiful horror films he’s watched and why it is what he describes to be as ‘butt drenching’. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Springsteen in Deliver Me from Nowhere which is an upcoming biographical musical drama film about the iconic singer. Are we over biopics, does embody Bruce and is it too soon to tell his story?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I
am your host movie Mike Jam packed episode for you today.
First up, we're talking to the directors of Final Destination
Blood Lines, Adam Stein and Zak Klapowski, all about the
behind the scenes of that movie. We have some movie
news because one of my favorite actors has just joined
the cast of Spider Man four. In the movie review,
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we'll be talking about twenty eight Years Later and why
it is the most beautiful horror film I've seen in
a long time, and how I describe to be a
butt drenching movie. And in the trailer park, we'll talk
about Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Springsteen in the upcoming
biopic Delivered Me from Nowhere, all about the Boss. Thank
you for being here, thank you for being subscribed, shout
out to the Monday Morning Movie crew. And now let's
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talk movies from the dust Trolle podcast network. And this
is movie Mike Movie popas about to get into my
conversation with Adam Stein and zak Lapowski. They are a
directing duo. On the set, they are known as Zadam. Basically,
they are two guys who can finish each other's sentences.
They are that close. They first met seventeen years ago
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as competitors on a Steven Spielberg filmmaking reality show called
On the Lot that started their long lasting friendship and
filmmaking partnership. They went on to work for Disney Universal.
They directed the indie sci fi movie Freaks, and now
are responsible for the latest installment in the Final Destination franchise,
which is a big franchise to take on. The movie
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is about a college student named Stephanie who is having
these reoccurring nightmares and realizes there is something going wrong
and that death is lurking around the corner. So she
tries to track down the one person who can stop
this cycle, which is her grandmother named Iris, and hopefully
her grandma can save her and her entire family from death.
Final Destination Bloodlines is now available on digital and will
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be on four k UHD on July twenty second. And
let's hop into this interview now with directors Adam and Zach.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
H'm Mike Form Movies Mike Movie Podcast Here.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love all yours.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh, I appreciate it. I'm a huge comic book nerd.
I'm a huge fan of your movie. I love movies
that affect my personal life. And after I finished watching Bloodlines,
I was driving home, and I've never driven home more cautiously.
I was paying attention to every red light. When I
got out of my car, I was running inside the
house because I was so worried that something was gonna
go wrong. And this movie just has me even freaked
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out about the things inside my house. So I have
to imagine when you guys are making this movie, does
it start to affect your mental state of like, I'm
getting a little paranoid because everything I'm seeing every day.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's a mix of both. You're completely paranoid and looking
at everything with this weird sort of like is this
gonna get me type attitude, but you're also then going ooh,
that's good. I could put that in the film, And
so you're kind of like having this this kind of
anxious perspective on the world. But it's also your muse,
which is which is an interesting place to be.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I couldn't wear my wedding ring for like two years
because every time I put it on it just felt
a little bit too gip.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I could tell by watching this movie that you guys
went back and rewatched all the movies. Do you start
to assemble like this list of rules of like, Okay,
this is what death can do, this is what death
will do.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, we've probably dived deeper than most people have ever
dove into the final destination sort of rule book. There's
kind of clear things that you see from previous movies
that kind of death can or can't do. But we
also like built this massive spreadsheet of every different set
piece from the previous movies and categorize them and like
exactly how they worked, how many omens each one had,
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if the audience was or was aware of certain things,
if the characters were aware of certain things, how long
they were, and also like how they related to the
different types of deaths next to each other. And by
doing that huge deep dive, it really gave us a
deep understanding of all the different ways you know, that
death can come from people. Often people just think, oh,
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there's these crazy death sequences, but they're actually quite uniquely
different the way that they're structured. You know, some of
them happened very quickly, some of them the audience knows
all this sorts of stuff, and the characters don't. Some
of them, the characters know exactly what's going down, but
they're trapped and so like, there's a lot of different
ways that it works, and we were huge nerds on
that to make sure that we kind of had one
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of each type.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And the producers, Craig Perry and Sheila Taylor, they were
also with us, you know, for the whole three years
we were making this movie, and they've made the other
ones as well, so they were also like great sources
of wisdom on what how death works. So it was
a big collaboration with the whole team.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's really fun as a filmmaker because death isn't personified
in the movie. Most horror films or slasher films have
a bad guy or a monster or a shark or whatever,
and in this case, it's just the filmmaking that's creating
a sense as a sense that there's a presence there
that's making a beer bottle look scary or whatever it's doing.
And that's so much fun as a filmmaker because it
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basically makes us death and so we just had so
much fun building all those sequences that way.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Speaking of being a film maker, what was the first
movie you watched that you saw and thought, man, that
is the movie that now makes me want to be
a director.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Wow. I mean, for me, there's sort of two movies
that come to mind. One, I saw The Jurassic Park
when I was nine years old in theaters and it
was the scariest horror film I've ever seen in my
life and convincement I was going to die in the
theater and have kind of been chasing that feeling ever since.
And then when I was thirteen, the Matrix came out,
and that was when I was making movies, and every
movie I made that summer was a rip off of
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the Matrix, and that that's kind of the movie that
made me want to Then, just the feeling of watching
The Matrix and then wanting to just make the Matrix
over and over and over again. It's sort of been
something I've been chasing ever since.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
For me, it was probably Star Wars, just watching the
original trilogy again and again on VHS, you know, plus
all the e Walk spin offs, and you know, just
like I was the biggest you know, Star Wars kid
growing up, and the magic and epicness of that series
was probably early inspiration.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
All great picks. The movie had me just sucked in
from the very beginning. It was just a monstrous opening
sequence and I think my favorite performance of the entire
movie came in that opening sequence, and it was seventy
one year old stunt performer javette Ferguson, who became has
the world record now for being the oldest actor to
be set on fire. Could you tell me about that
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that stunt and how that went down to day?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, we had an amazing stunt team. I mean the
stunt coordinators. They're in charge of kind of you know,
helping us pick the stunt people that will do specific gags.
So Simon who's our stunt coordinator, and Dustin Brooks who
is his co coordinator assistant coordinator, they know everyone in Vancouver,
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and they were kind of presenting different options and they said,
what about what about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The event here?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like she's she's been on the older side, but would
you guys be open to that? And we were like, yes,
that's amazing and a event for her part. She's been
a long time stunt person, but she was so excited
to do it because she said, my whole family's been
on fire and I've never been on fire, Like, thank
you so much for giving me this opportunity, well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
She thought she would never. She thought, basically, I'm retiring
and I never got lit on fire. I never because
doing a full body burn for a stunt person is
sort of a rites of passage. It's like they all
look forward to having that opportunity because it doesn't happen
that often. And so she was so grateful to get
that ability. And yeah, she ran like sixty feet entirely
on fire. And then what I don't think many people
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realize is she ran on fire through the whole restaurant
and then ran into an actual propane leak that then
exploded all around her with a giant fireball of propane.
So like, not only was she on fire, she run it,
she like lit an explosion. At the end of running
on fire, they.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Cover themselves with this special gel that has been gone
through very different evolution and over the years, but the
latest version of it was invented basically by our stunt team,
this fire protective fire gel that's flammable and also protects
the stunt people somehow.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And they just want an.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oscar, a side tech oscar for the fire jail. This year,
Dustin and Colin won that oscar for the fire jel
that was used in our movie.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That is so amazing. I think my second favorite kill
is probably Julia in the garbage truck, and I have
just questions about the difference between when to decide to
make something with practical effects or when do you cgi
for that scene specifically, how do you decide what are
we going to do like here on set and what
are we going to do in post production.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think our approach is trying to do the practical
gag as far as it will go, and then augment
it with CG after capturing it. So in terms of
how it's built, it's really collaboration with the team. But
for each death we go, okay, so how would we
do this if we were doing this back in the
nineteen eighties completely practically, and the team brainstorms and figures
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it out. For the Julia death, in particular, they built
this amazing garbage truck rig that had this metal plate
with metal rods rubber tips so that it could extend
into her face and hug the contours of her face
looking like it's pressing in, and then in the computer
after they just replaced the metal rods with a flat
(09:15):
metal piece so it looks like it's truly going into
and interacting with her face. And then we also built
a makeup effects.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Fake head.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That was pretty you know, kind of molded these three
D skinned on a Lauri who played Julia, and then
built a fake head that we crushed for real. And
then they take those two elements, the crushed head and
the real on a Lauri performance, and in the computer
it kind of meld them together and morphed them and
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stuff like that. So basically getting the practical elements and
then using the computer to kind of tie it all together.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
My final question is for you, Zach. I was a
huge fan of Goosebumps growing up, and I it was
my dream be on that show someday. But you were
on an episode of Goosebumps. What was your experience like
on that show?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
For me, it was an incredible dream come true because
I was ten or eleven at the time, so everyone
in my grade was reading goose Bumps. That's all we
were all doing. And then to be then it was
also my first time as an actor being flown somewhere
because I lived in Vancouver, but it was shooting in Toronto,
and so flying to Toronto to then be in this
you know, incredible kind of thing that you would read about,
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and r al Stein being this mythic cre you know,
person that actually like created all these twisted tales, and
the other fun weird thing is just for whatever reason
because in the season they were kind of running behind.
We would shoot all night. They would never like we
were shooting nights, even though most of it was inside
and like so it was like living like a vampire
for like two weeks in Toronto and reclimbed the bookcase. Yeah,
(10:50):
the first thing I had the first this is in
the nineties, you know, things were just a little bit
more loose back then. But yeah, the first thing that
happens in that episode, if you go watch it, is
like I'm trying to like climb up a bookcase looking
for presents at the top of this bookcase, and then
it starts to tip and I jump off and it
falls and just like barely crushes me. And we just
(11:11):
like just did that. Basically, They're just like, yeah, just
climb up, and then as you're jumping down, we're just
gonna push it over. And I was pret and I
look back, going that was pretty weird that they just
let us do that.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But safety is like so present these days. And even
though we did so many things that looked like they
killed people in my lascination, the same dy was like
incredibly top notch. It's pretty it's pretty amazing how the
team you know, keeps everyone so.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There's probably no there's probably.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
No fire blasts and everything.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
No worse job than head of safety on a final
Destination movie. I can only imagine the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, who knew the set of Goosebumps was more dangerous
than you guys said? Well, I really appreciate the time.
Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Thanks thanks much.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before we get into this week's review, how about some
movie news because one of my favorite pieces of movie
news came out last week. I was so excited John
Burnhal's Punisher will appear in Spider Man Brand New Day.
That is really exciting to me. I think the Punisher
is one of the most underutilized characters in the MCU.
(12:20):
I mean, even if you go back to the two
thousand and four Punisher movie, which at that time I
don't really hold anything against Marvel, they were trying anything
with the characters they had the rights to. That movie's
not a good movie. But what John Burnhal has done
with the character. I think has done what Robert Downey
Junior did to Iron Man. Where before iron Man with
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Robert Downey Jr. In two thousand and eight, that wasn't
one of Marvel's most popular characters at all. You probably
before that didn't even know his origin story if you
weren't a mega comic book fan. But now what John
Burenthal and his series that first came out on netfl
which was darker and grittier, he is now that character.
(13:05):
There are very few people in the MCU that cannot
be recast. I think John Bernenthal as Punisher is one
of them. Obviously Robert Downey Junior as iron Man, and
the third would have to be Hugh Jackman as Spider Man. Well,
even though Thomas Jane did play the Punisher in two
thousand and four, so there has been two Punishers at
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least on screen. But John Burenthal hasn't been in a
movie as the Punisher yet. And now the plot of
Brand New Day is still pretty much a known but
No Way Home ended on a cliffhanger, and now Spider
Man is dealing with a lot of things and this
is gonna be the first time any actor who has
played Spider Man is getting a fourth film. Even though
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Toby maguire was supposed to get a fourth film it
was on Sody's slate. There's an old tweet that resurfaces
about once a year of them announcing Spider Man for
and that never came to be. So I have to
imagine that this is going to be it for Tom Holland.
I don't know so far. He's not attached to any
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of the Avengers movies coming out, but that could happen later.
Whenever they did the chair reveal, I believe his name
was not on any of those chairs of the cast
announced for those movies. So not a whole lot of
details on the plot. We know John Burnhalt is going
to be a part of it. We know Sadie Sink
is going to be a part of it, which at
the time of recording this, her role in that movie
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has still not been released. Is she gonna be a
Gwen Stacy? Is she gonna be a villain? How is
she going to fit into the storyline? The movie has
a fantastic cast, and my hopes for this movie. We've
had one, two, and three in this series that have
been so attached to what is going on in the MCU.
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I want this one to be completely separate. And when
I look at my favorite characters in the MCU and
the stories, I gravitate towards more. They are the darker,
street level superheroes, and we had that in this last
season of Daredevil Born Again. I think you have to
bring in Charlie Cox in this in some way. If
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you have Punisher there, you gotta have Daredevil two. And
I think that is a fantastic theme. I think Spider
Man needs to go back to fighting crime in New
York City. If they could take the tone and style
of Daredevil and push it into the world of Spider Man,
I think that would be amazing. Some people are even
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speculating that Spider Man for is going to be R rated.
I don't think that's going to be the case, just
because the character of Spider Man has such a wide
appeal as a lot of young fans, I think by
making it R rated, you're probably going to alienate a
big portion of the audience. And I just don't think
an R rated movie is in Spider Man's DNA. But
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me selfishly, as an adult, I would love to see
that to see bloodshed in a Spider Man movie, I
think would be amazing. So I'm curious to see how
The Punisher is going to fit into the story. I
can't imagine Frank Castle liking Spider Man because him and
daredeb will barely get along. They kind of like each other.
They work together, but ultimately their egos just don't work
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well together where they can be friends in some situations,
but he's also an anti hero, so they're not always
eye to eye. I look at Frank Castle and I
look at Peter Parker, and I see two people who
are not going to get along. So I have to
imagine he's gonna be kind of a villain in the story,
an anti hero at least where he might help Spider
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Man out a little bit. But could you imagine the
Punisher going toe to toe with Spider Man. I can't
wait to see it again. It's not coming out till
July thirty first, twenty twenty six. Myself, I kind of
forget what year it is. We are in twenty twenty five.
I was like, I don't want to have to wait
two years for another Spider Man movie. But next year, hopefully,
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Although I have to imagine just the way things have
gone for me when it comes to movies being released,
it's gonna get pushed. So in my head, it's coming
out not in the summer, but they're gonna push it,
probably to fall an inevitably winter. It's inevitably to me.
I'm placing it as another December release for Spider Man.
But yeah, no way, this movie is gonna be R rated.
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Next up in movie news as story number two of three,
Ryan Kugler Sinner starring Michael B. Jordan, is coming out
on Max this Friday, July fourth. What says America in
freedom like Sinners and Vampires and one of the most
I don't think it's an unexpected hit of the year
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because Ryan Kugler is such a just renowned director, But
I don't think people expected it to do as well
as it did because Sinners has now become one of
the top ten highest grossing R rated horror films of
all time Domestically, this movie has been a force to
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be reckoned with. And I knew I was gonna like
it just because it's Ryan Coogler and I am just
instantly drawn to his work. I would probably put him.
I don't know if my top five directors right now,
but easily top ten. I think with Sinners, he probably
squeaks into my top five now. But this is a
movie I would say, if you haven't seen an original
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movie in a while, and maybe you are on the
fence of wanting to go see it in theaters, well
now's your chance. Even though MAX is one of the
most expensive of the streaming services, I think the quality
is always there. So if you already have MAX, it
is a no brainer. Give it a watch this weekend
or the next coming weeks. I think you will enjoy it.
Even if you're not super into horror films but can
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handle a little bit of blood, a little bit of violence,
and just want to see a really great original story.
I say check out Sinners. But even if you don't
have MAX, it is one of the more expensive streaming services,
but I think the quality is there as far as
just for movies with new original movies that come out
in theaters. But speaking of original movies, in my final
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story in Movie News, Dakota Johnson says that Hollywood is
a mess right now because studios just want to keep
remaking the same thing. And I quote she says, when
something does well, studios want to keep that going, so
they remake the same things, but humans don't want that.
She was out doing interviews for Material List, and she
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basically said that Hollywood is a bit of a mess.
She went on to say, I think it's hard when
creative decisions are made by a committee, and it's hard
when creative decisions are made by people who don't really
watch movies or know anything about them. And that tends
to be what is occurring a lot. That is a
spicy take there, Dakota Johnson essentially saying the people making
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these decisions don't care about art, don't care about creativity.
They just see numbers, they see risks. And I can
see that to a degree because it is the movie business.
It is an industry that needs profits to continue. And
if you look at a movie just by the numbers,
you start thinking in a way that is so analytical
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that takes all the heart out of it. And this
is in response to in recent years Hollywood, just in
the last five years specifically, which you could say this
has gone on for more than five years, they have
entered into an ip frenzy. And why do they do that.
It's because those movies are easier to market, and marketing
is expensive. So if you make a movie about something
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that already has a built in audience, it's gonna be
easier to make. It's gonna be easier to get that
McDonald's happy Meal deal. It's gonna be easier to get
a Crispy Kreme donut collab. It's gonna be easier to
get a Cup at seven to eleven to promote that movie.
So it comes down to it being easier to market
a minecraft movie than it is. The movie we were
(20:59):
just about. Sinner Sinners didn't have any fancy collabse. You
couldn't go get the Sinner's Meals somewhere. You also didn't
really have that movie shoved in your face every single
time you turned on a screen or were scrolling through
your phone. But that movie has been so impactful, and
I'm so glad it has done so well because hopefully
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that's getting through to some people saying we can make
movies on original stories. We just have to find really
great directors like Ryan Coogler, which are like one in
a million sometimes. And also speaking on that recently, it
was Amanda Seifred who kind of talked smack about Hollywood too,
and their addiction to sequels, which she said, it's not
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very brave to do sequels. It's just for money and
it's frustrating, which is interesting for her to say, and
I know where the sentiment is. But if you look
at her career, she was in Mom and Mia, Here
we Go Again, she was in Ted two. She's also
currently in talks to make a Jennifer's Bar, so her
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career has benefited from some sequels. She even poked fun
at some of the movies coming out this summer, calling
them Fantastic super Park, four Super Parks, four Dinosaurs, four
Super Dinosaurs. I don't know, she said, I will say
there is a little bit of fatigue with sequels. I
want original content. I think it's really scary and brave
(22:24):
to do it. It's not scary and brave to do
the sequels. It's just for money and it's frustrating. Then again,
I do Mama Mia three in a heartbeat. I feel
a little bit like that takes away from the impact
of what she is saying, because she just contradicted herself
and made the point for the other side of the argument, saying,
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I'm so tired of sequels. I want to see something new.
But if you're gonna throw a pile of cash on
my table, I'm gonna take it to do another Mama
Mia three. That also just adds to the point of
actors just need to work and they wanted take movies
that are gonna be good for their career, that are
gonna make them money. I think sometimes too, we think
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that every actor is just a crazy millionaire, and that
is not the case when you look at the breakdown
of who they have to pay, how much they actually
take away from a role like a MoMA Mea three.
They have to keep working. So it'd be easy to
say I only want to do new, original movies for
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the rest of my career, but also when you start
to look at the numbers, you have to do what
is smart for you. So again, it is a business.
And as much as I want to romanticize my love
of film and say that everything should be new and fresh,
I also think about the people who I've learned from
doing this podcast, maybe only go to the movies once
or twice a year. And I think to those people
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who aren't as tuned in as some of us here
who listen to this podcast, you see the movies that
are fed to you, that are shown to you through
commercials and ads on the radio and social media. And
it is those movies with the big ip that are
gonna be pushed down your throat the most. And I
can see where that sentiment comes of, oh, everything is
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just a sequel to remake, because they're trying to get
to you. They're trying to get to the people who
do know those originals, who have a relationship with them,
and that is gonna be what you're fed. You're not
seeing the movies going under the radar. You're not getting
the Ballot of Wallace Island. You're getting less of the
new Wes Anderson film thrown at you and more of
whatever the Rock is remaking at the moment. So while myself,
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I do want fresh stories, I do want creative freedom,
I do want to have new experiences in the theater.
I also see a movie like Elio come out that
is providing that, even though I don't think what happened
with that movie is all due to the fact that
people don't want to support new original movies. I think
Pixar needs a little bit of a refresh when it
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comes to their character design, their storytelling. I ultimately think
that is what is going on there right now. But
also with Elio, I remember seeing the poster and the
quick teaser probably a year ago, and then didn't hear
that much about it until maybe a week before its release.
So to some people, that movie just came out of nowhere.
So again it comes down to them not putting the
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money in the marketing. And when we talk about remakes
versus new original content, I really think we're really arguing
hardcore fans versus more casual fans. Hardcore fans are always
gonna want the new, fresh thing that's not attached to
any ip even though me like I would consider myself
a hardcore fan, but I also have an attachment to
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a lot of franchises, and I don't mind sequels and
remakes all the time because I still get really excited
for those. And then to a more casual person, they
want to go see something that feels familiar, and that
is why those movies end up in the top five
grossing movies of the year every single year. So maybe
it's just a chicken or the egg situation. All right, Well,
come back and I'll give my spoiler free review of
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twenty eight years later. Speaking of franchises, two words to
describe twenty eight years later butt drenching. This is my
spoiler free review of twenty eight years later. Why do
I call it butt drenching Because I had so much
anxiety watching this movie. It built up so much tension
that I was sweating from the top of my head
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all the way profusely down my body and left my
seat soaked metaphorically, because this was unlike the two previous
entries in twenty eight years later, much more sophisticated. Even
when the trailer dropped earlier this year, I declared it
Trailer of the Year because just the visuals, the sound,
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and the trailer alone, I knew I was in for
something special. And I think because I have such an
attachment to this franchise, because how groundbreaking it was when
it came out. Because if you look at history now,
you think, oh, we've had zombie movies since seventies eighties,
talking about Romero and all of the greats who have
handled the genre and really made it what it is.
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But when twenty eight Days Later came out and where
it started, where you had this group of scientists working
on chimps, chimps went crazy, killed some people. They throw
up blood on other people, and that's how it spreads.
And what made those movies different is the zombies weren't
your typical walking around brain zombies. They were rage filled
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because that's what it was, the rage virus, and they
would go around mashing people's faces, throwing up on them,
and they'd infect another person, and they ran quickly, and
that was something at the time we hadn't really seen before.
Some would argue somebody else did it before, but that
was groundbreaking to see a zombie not moving slowly, but
to be able to chase you down, to turn you
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into a zombie. And it's not even like your traditional
zombie because they don't act the same way. They are quicker, faster,
and smarter. And that was even back in twenty eight
days later, which the first one takes place in two
thousand and six, twenty eight weeks later took place in
two thousand and seven, and now with twenty eight years later,
we are looking at twenty thirty five. The zombies have
now mutated again, where you have these alphas that are
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even bigger and stronger and faster and smarter and are
so sinister like, and what this movie focuses on is
you have a group of people who have moved out
to this small island where for the most part, they
are protected and they are connected to the mainland through
this little strip of land that when the tide is low,
they are able to walk from their island to the
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mainland to go and find you know, wood to burn fires, food, hunt,
and also kill some of the rage filled people who
are living on that island as well. And that is
how they get by because they go, bring their supplies,
come back, and they are able to guard their community
on this island by keeping that border secure. The dad
is played by Aaron Taylor Johnson, who I think is
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a really good actor. He was a great and no swarato.
Was he the best in Craven the Hunter. No, But
that wasn't really his fault. I think he did what
he was supposed to do. That was just a bad
movie all the way around, and he probably saw that
as Hey, I'm finally getting a leading role in a
movie here, I'm gonna take it, much like Dakota Johnson
probably did with Madame Webb. Alfie Williams plays his son Spike,
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which I think it is really his movie. If you
look at twenty eight years later, it is really a
coming of age story because he plays a twelve year
old kid who he's at that age where he's still
a little bit too young to go venture to this
island to kill the infected, but his dad thinks he's ready.
He's really pushing him. He wants them to be what
essentially he is, be the hero of the town, and
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this kid is scared. This kid is not ready for it.
And it starts with their journey into the mainland for
his son to get his first kill, and it's really
focusing on him developing as a human, where I haven't
really seen that in a zombie movie. And I think
the fact that it takes place in twenty thirty five,
so long after the outbreak, is what makes this really
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impactful and what really sets itself apart, because you start
to think, like, how really would this change humanity? How
would us as people adapt to this? You kind of
revert back to the very early days of just building
a society of you have people in these roles. You
have hunters, you have gatherers, you have fishermen, all these
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really essential roles. And something that was stated in the
very first twenty eight Days Later movie was really impactful
to me, and I rewatched both of the movies leading
up to this to get me in that mindset, and
I got really hype going into this one. But there's
a line in the first movie where they talk about
how are we going to build a world back after this,
Like how far away are we to getting things back
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to how they were? And somebody makes the point of
humans have only existed on this planet for a very
very small time, and I think I looked it up,
and the world's billions and billions of years old, and
the amount of times that humans have been here is
like point zero five percent of the lifespan of the Earth.
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And in that first movie they say, well, really, if
things were going back to normal, it would be us
being gone from this planet for how little we have
been here, And that stuck with me because in that
movie they're just trying to get back to the way
things were before the outbreak, get electricity back, get humans
just back living normal daily lives. And when you think
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about it, really having all those things taken away from
us and the Earth just being this place filled with
nature and some other life form inhabiting it that can
survive like that would be the Earth reverting back to normal.
And this movie is kind of going back to the
very early stages of humanity where it almost feels like
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it takes place way back in the day, but really
it's twenty thirty five. We would have to go back
and literally start all the way over. And I think
in doing that and how this movie starts to set
this whole new stage, which it like a totally fresh chapter.
And the thing about twenty eight years later is even
if you didn't watch the first one, didn't watch the
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second one, which is also fantastic, which is also fantastic,
It has Jeremy Renner in one of his best roles
that kind of goes unnoticed. Sometimes you have rose Byrn
in there as well, and that one's about asymptomatic survivor
and their kids who try to get saved by Rose
Byrn and Jeremy Renner. But even if you hadn't seen
part one or Part two, you could just watch this
one and those other two now kind of service prequels,
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because I think they're resetting this entire world, and the
new franchise kind of starts here again because you have
director Danny boyleback, you have writer Alex Garland back, who
did not write or direct the second one. But this
is kind of the new starting point where they're gonna
make more movies. I hope they bring back a lot
of these people because I really got invested in these characters.
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Ray Fines is just incredible to have an actor who
is so next level to be in a movie like this.
It made it one of the most beautiful horror movies
I've ever seen, because just watching it was a visual
treat where you see this movie filmed on location, this
beautiful countryside, and then these really vicious and heinous things happening,
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and there's this big juxtaposition of like, look how beautiful
the scenery is. Look how beautiful of the beach and
the water is. But then you have this alpha running
at full speed wanting to eat your brains out, especially
early on in the movie where when they're first walking
to that mainland, it's almost like this witch enticing you
with a spell to bring you in. And if you
watch just the trailer alone, you might have heard this
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poem that's being spoken over it that's just so haunting
and sinister. It's a poem called Boots, which was all
about British infantrymen, where it's this really repetitive sound and
you hear the boots marching, and then it gets a
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little bit more intense, a little bit more intense, a
little bit louder now, a little bit louder now, and
then it is just all out freaky as crap. That
is how the first act of this movie just kind
of entices you and brings you into it, and it
makes you feel this terror that you don't really know
where it's coming from, because overall this movie is less violent.
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I would say the thing that I didn't like about it,
if there was one thing, is I wanted there to
be more action. But that was only because I was
basically it on the first two movies. If I'd only
watched this movie and I hadn't watched the other two,
I would think it's a perfect movie. But I think
how it fits in the franchise, knowing that the first
two are just more action filled. The first one is
essentially a road trip movie where they go and try
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to find this military base after hearing a message with
just the hope of finding somebody who has a cure,
and then in the second one, where the outbreak happens again,
where they think they're safe and then they're on the
run again. You're not really on the run in this movie,
so it's not so much about trying to escape and
away from all of the infected. It's just how are
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you going to exist in this world now? So overall,
the story just doesn't have that same level of action
that I feel like the twenty eight franchise has kind
of branded itself with. But it's evolved so much where
it's taking on something maybe not entirely new, but it's
not just one of the best horror films of the year.
It is just one of the best films and it's
really starting to set itself apart. Now, would a horror
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movie like this ever be nominated for Best Picture? No,
And that is a travesty because it is that good.
Just because it's a part of a franchise, just because
it's coming out in the summer, and because it's going
to be successful, it doesn't really check all the boxes
of oh, this could be nominated for Best Picture. Ray
find should be nominated for Best Supporting Actor. He just
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should because he is that good of an actor and
is that impactful in this movie that it takes it
next level. This was one of the rare movies that
I've seen this year that left me wanting more. Where
I knew it was starting to get to the final act,
I knew it was about an end, and I thought,
I just need to see more. It is a great reset.
Also just a great introduction if you hadn't seen any
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of these movies, which is a really rare thing. In
part three, normally it's so attached to what has come
before it, but for it being what I would consider
to be the first zombie coming of age movie, for
it not only having great visuals but also great sound design.
I just want to pull the sound file from this
movie and drive around in my car and listen to
it like a podcast, because I think just the sound
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is terrifying in itself. And I've listened to some horror podcasts,
and I think you could pull the audio from this
and also make a horror podcast like that. I also
just love anything that's filmed on location. I'm a sucker
for the countryside at dawn and dusk in a movie.
I just think that is the best time of day
to film a movie like this. So for twenty eight
years later. I give it a four point five out
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of five rage viruses, and that is exactly what I
would rate. Probably all the movies in this franchise, Part one,
Part two, and now Part three are all four point
five at of fives.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's time to head down to movie Mike Traylor Paul.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
In this year is edition of an actor going for
an oscar by playing a musician in a biopick. We
have Jeremy Allen White who will play the boss Bruce
Springsteen and deliver me from Nowhere. It is not a
complete biopick, which I like. We saw this last year
with Timothy Shallo May playing Bob Dylan, and that was
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just a small portion of his life based on a book,
and we kind of have the same deal here. The
movie is about the making of his nineteen eighty two
album Nebraska. It is also based on a book. And
the reason I like it when they decide to focus
on a small part of their life that is very
significant is because a music biopick is a big thing
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to take on, and oftentimes directors and writers bite off
more than they can chew because you have these really
iconic people from musicians we've seen have biopics recently, from
Queen to Bob Dylan to Bob Marley to Amy Winehouse.
The list goes on and on, and they do these
so frequently because when you think about making movies with IP,
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you think about Fast and the Furious, you think about
Jurassic Park, you think about the mcu well. Musicians and
famous people are kind of like that because you put
this movie out and people know and love them. Therefore
they're already attached to it, and you have a built
in audience. So it's a different form of IP. I feel.
But when you try to make a movie about somebody's
entire life, it is way too much to cram into
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a two, sometimes two and a half sometimes three hour movie.
So I instead like it when they focus on this
small little segment of their life to really represent these
people at a very pivotal point in their career, which
we saw with The Complete Unknown last year, and which
is what we're gonna see with Bruce Springsteen here, because
it's after he's had some major success, it's before he
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has an even bigger success. Because if you look at
his albums, the one I know primarily is Born to Run,
which came out in nineteen seventy five. This one is
about Nebraska, which came out in nineteen eighty two, and
Born in the USA was the follow up from that,
which came out in nineteen eighty four. So you're getting
mostly young Bruce here. Alongside Jeremy Ellen White as Bruce Springsteen,
you also have Jeremy Strong from Succession playing his manager,
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Steven Graham, who will play his dad. Paul Walter Hausa,
who I really enjoy as an actor. You might remember
him as Richard Jewel. He's also done a lot of
stuff recently, like Cruella. He's also going to be Chris
Farley in the upcoming bio Pick. He plays his recording engineer.
The movie is coming out in theaters on October twenty fourth.
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Before we talk more about this movie, here's just a
little bit of the Deliver Me from Nowhere trailer.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So three oh five v eight never owned a new
car before. It's awfully fitting for handsome devil rock style.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I do know who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, that makes one of.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Us and boss, can you do Mike Chuck?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's trolling out.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Here's what I want you to understand. This is not
about either one of us. This is not about the charts.
This is about Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
A lot too Unpacking this trailer. The only thing I
fear so far is that it looks a little bit
and sounds a little bit too over dramatic. You hear
it there where you see Bruce Springsteen going to buy
his first new car. He's talking to the salesman and
he's like, uh, maybe you know better than me. It
just feels very like this forced epic noss that you
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always find in music biopics that I just I can't
stand it because they're trying to make all these little
details about them, and these little actions throughout their lives
seem so significant and so impactful, where maybe this was
a big thing. It's like buying this car and then
him struggling with the idea of knowing himself and not
knowing himself. It just feels overly dramatic, a little mellow dramatic,
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and it always just comes across as them trying too hard.
But I think that is just the nature of a
music biopick. They all do it. But I hope through
his performance through the entire movie that I'm not focused
on those little moments entirely. That's probably just what they
decided to put in the trailer, and hopefully there's more
to it than that, because if it's that level of
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acting and that level of this is so important and significant.
Right now we're talking about the boss here, I think
we're gonna have a bad time. What excites me about
this movie is possibly what is deterring some people from
really buying into it, is the fact that Jeremy Allen
White doesn't look like Bruce Springsteen. He just doesn't look
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like him. If you just showed me this trailer and
you took out his name and you took out the music,
I would not know what musical figure he is portraying
up until about the last thirty seconds when he's actually
on stage and you kind of see some of his
stage mannerisms, which I think he has really great stage presence.
And Jeremy Allen White was hands selected by Bruce Springsteen himself.
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He said, I like this guy. He studied all of
Jeremy Allen White's work, probably watched a lot of Bear,
maybe some Shameless back in the day. Maybe he's seen
some of his most recent movies, like The Ironclaw, which
I'm getting pretty big iron Claw vibes from this trailer,
which I really enjoy. I don't know if that's just
the Jeremy Allen White thing. I'm into that. And if
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Bruce Springsteen himself said I want this guy to play me,
that tells me that he probably sees a little bit
of himself in Jeremy Allen White. He thinks it's the
right decision. And I don't always think that the person
has to look exactly like who they are portraying. I
care more about their acting abilities. Can they portray these emotions?
Can they really fit into this character and make me
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believe their story? That is more important to me. If
I look back on some of my favorite music biopics,
it's not the people who look exactly like them. It's
movies like Walk the Line with Joaquin Phoenix as Johnny Cash.
Does he look entirely like Johnny Cash? No, I don't
think so at all. If you get too focused on
the way that they look, you're going to miss the
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big picture here and not find somebody who can actually
portray them. Sometimes you do get the best of both worlds,
like in Bohemian Rhapsody, wherever Remy Malik had the teeth
put into his mouth to look like Freddie Mercury, which
for that movie they did use some of Ramy Mallik's voice.
They also used old recordings and original recordings from Freddie Mercury,
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and the person who supplemented all the other parts was
a guy named Mark Mattel, who just sounds exactly like
Freddy Mercury. So I'm not entirely sure how much of
Remy Mallick's voice they actually use. It could have been
like a few words, a few little portions that they
put in there just so they could say, oh, you
actually hear some of his voice in this movie. But
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not the case with the Bruce Springsteen movie, because Jeremy
Allen White says, that's me, I'm singing in this movie.
Here's the interview he did earlier this year with et.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I'm done singing all the movie songs or I sang
everything everything's in the movie.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's done. No more prep, no more vocal lessons. I
did it. So that is exciting to me, although I'm
not the biggest Bruce Springsteen fan, and maybe the same
thing will happen with me. After I watched Bohemian Rhapsody,
as I was so inspired by that movie, I went
back and discovered their music. And now I wouldn't call
myself a Queen fan. Before a brief period of time
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when that movie came out, I did listen to a
lot of Queen. My Bruce Springsteen knowledge of his music
is really basic. If I made a top three Bruce
Springsteen songs of mine, it's so basic, I'm almost embarrassed
to admit it, because they're probably everybody's favorite Bruce Springsteen
songs at three, Dancing in the Dark, at two Born
in the USA, and at one Board to Run, which
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is actually a song I will seek out to listen
to oftentimes. When I'm sitting here in the studio editing stuff,
working on other projects or other work, I always have
music playing, and that is a song I go to
a lot just because it makes me feel good. I
love the guitars and that the instrumentation. That is my
favorite song of his. But again, that is so basic.
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But you do hear Jeremy Allen White singing that song
in the trailer, and I had to go and actually
look and research and find that clip of him saying
that that was him singing in this movie because it
sounded so much like the recording that paired with his
performance on stage in that scene, I thought, clearly they
just pulled the original song and put it over the
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footage and slapped it on the trailer and got it
out there. Not the case. So that is so much
more exciting to me that we're actually going to not
only see him as Bruce Springsteen, but hear his rendition
of his songs. Now are they duping a song? Did
they just tell them say that? And they kind of
did what they did with Bohemian Rhapsody and just work
in some of his vocals because I don't really know
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him to be a singer, but it looks like he
went through that process and did it for this film.
So that is dedication, and that is what I'm saying.
You need an actor who is going to go to
those links to take on a role and not just
show up like an Austen Butler and just look like
the person and try to embody them by changing their accent.
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I feel like he is still being himself while being
Bruce Springsteen, and I think that is going to make
this story and this movie really resonate with audiences. Will
it get him an oscar though, It's a great question
because last year. I think a lot of people thought
Timothy Chalomeay was really a shoe in to get the nomination.
I thought that was a no brainer. I wasn't going
out on a limb predicting that when I first saw
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that trailer. Here we are again with this biopick. But
I just think overall, his performance wasn't the strongest and
he didn't really deserve the Oscar. Jeremy ellen White, I
feel it's just on the cusp. This would be at
a great point in his career to be nominated for
an Oscar and to win, because after getting snubbed for
The Ironclaw, and how much just great movies and TV
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shows he's been putting out recently. I could see that
just in his career happening for him. With this movie
coming out in October, right before Oscar season, I still
think it would be fresh on people's minds. And if
the movie is successful, I think that would add to
the conversation as well. And who knows, if this movie
is successful, Like I was just saying, maybe they start
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teaming up some of these musicians, because we have Timothy
Shalloway as Bob Dylan, we have Harris Dickerson, Paul Meskal,
Barry Keegan, and Joseph Quinn as the Beatles. They are
each getting their own Beatles movie, and now we have
Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Springsteen. Maybe they form like
an Avengers of musicians and we get like an ultimate
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movie where they all come together and create some fictional
concert that never really happened. But could you imagine that
like a connection between all of these storylines. We need
cinematic universes everywhere. Why not with real life biopicks, you
have them crossing over into each other. So if one
actor plays a musician in one movie, they're just set.
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They're going to play them in any appearance in any
biopick that comes out after it. My other big concern,
not only with this biopick, but with any biopick, if
it comes out when that person is still alive, that
person is probably going to have some influence on the story.
In this case, Bruce Springsteen worked with Jeremy Allen White
on set. He got to talk to him a lot,
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got to get inside of his brain, talk to him
about some of the things in the movie, how he
would do these things. And Bruce Springsteen was very generous
with his time providing that information. But I think also
in doing that him still being alive and having that influence,
even with him signing off on Jeremy Allen White to
play him, he could have some infla. It's the other
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way of what he wants to include, what he doesn't
like in the movie. Maybe I don't want to show
that part of my life, and I feel like that
changes it because that causes the film not to have
the right perspective if there is that influence. I was
pleasantly surprised, though, with a Bob Dylan movie that it
did show his darker side, his mean streak, and didn't
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always portray him in the best light. So it can
be done. But I have a feeling that there were
much more darker things that Bob Dylan was experiencing during
that time that we did not get. So again, I'm
not the biggest Bruce Springsteen fan. I don't know the
lore of his music and his life. I don't really
know how he has inspired so many people, why he
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has become as big of an icon as he is.
But I'm willing to learn, and I think this movie
is gonna be the one to do it for me.
So I'm excited for this biopic, Deliver Me from Nowhere,
comes out in theaters on October twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Gaid that was.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
This week's edition of Movie B Frame or Bar and
that is gonna do it for another episode here of
the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give my
listeners shout out of the week. This week, I'm going
over to TikTok. I've been posting more clips over there.
I've been getting very strategic with what I post from
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(50:19):
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my comments on TikTok and shouting out stay gold x
Darling who commented on my review of The Materialists and said, yes,
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they don't quite make them like they used to anymore.
In regard to me being like, why don't they have
rom coms with really great movie quotes anymore? There was
a big discussion online in my comments of a lot
of people don't even consider Materialists to be a rom com.
I do. I still think it falls into the category.
I think that's how it was marketed towards us. So
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if somebody declares themselves in a genre, I am going
to be respectful of that. Somebody puts out a song
and says this is a country song, I'm not going
to be like, well, really, it feels like a pop song.
If you declare the genre you want a movie to
be in, I am going to abide by that, and
I'm gonna find those elements in the movie that backs
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up your claim. I think it's much more evolved. I
think it is probably more into the romance side, so
I feel like maybe to most it comes off as
a little bit more of a drama and the comedy
is very subdued, not like it was in the two thousands,
where I think most people think like, oh, that's a
rock coming to two thousands where things are very wacky.
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I think this is the genre evolving. So there's a
whole lot of discussion on that. There's a lot of
discussion on movie quotes. So thank you guys for always
being a part of the conversation. That's why I love
doing this podcast, So I appreciate that. And if you're
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Moviemike dat gmail dot com. And until next time, go
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Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I
am your host movie Mike Jam packed episode for you today.
First up, we're talking to the directors of Final Destination
Blood Lines, Adam Stein and Zak Klapowski, all about the
behind the scenes of that movie. We have some movie
news because one of my favorite actors has just joined
the cast of Spider Man four. In the movie review,
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we'll be talking about twenty eight Years Later and why
it is the most beautiful horror film I've seen in
a long time, and how I describe to be a
butt drenching movie. And in the trailer park, we'll talk
about Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Springsteen in the upcoming
biopic Delivered Me from Nowhere, all about the Boss. Thank
you for being here, thank you for being subscribed, shout
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they are two guys who can finish each other's sentences.
They are that close. They first met seventeen years ago
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as competitors on a Steven Spielberg filmmaking reality show called
On the Lot that started their long lasting friendship and
filmmaking partnership. They went on to work for Disney Universal.
They directed the indie sci fi movie Freaks, and now
are responsible for the latest installment in the Final Destination franchise,
which is a big franchise to take on. The movie
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is about a college student named Stephanie who is having
these reoccurring nightmares and realizes there is something going wrong
and that death is lurking around the corner. So she
tries to track down the one person who can stop
this cycle, which is her grandmother named Iris, and hopefully
her grandma can save her and her entire family from death.
Final Destination Bloodlines is now available on digital and will
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be on four k UHD on July twenty second. And
let's hop into this interview now with directors Adam and Zach.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
H'm Mike Form Movies Mike Movie Podcast Here.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love all yours.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh, I appreciate it. I'm a huge comic book nerd.
I'm a huge fan of your movie. I love movies
that affect my personal life. And after I finished watching Bloodlines,
I was driving home, and I've never driven home more cautiously.
I was paying attention to every red light. When I
got out of my car, I was running inside the
house because I was so worried that something was gonna
go wrong. And this movie just has me even freaked
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out about the things inside my house. So I have
to imagine when you guys are making this movie, does
it start to affect your mental state of like, I'm
getting a little paranoid because everything I'm seeing every day.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's a mix of both. You're completely paranoid and looking
at everything with this weird sort of like is this
gonna get me type attitude, but you're also then going ooh,
that's good. I could put that in the film, And
so you're kind of like having this this kind of
anxious perspective on the world. But it's also your muse,
which is which is an interesting place to be.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I couldn't wear my wedding ring for like two years
because every time I put it on it just felt
a little bit too gip.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I could tell by watching this movie that you guys
went back and rewatched all the movies. Do you start
to assemble like this list of rules of like, Okay,
this is what death can do, this is what death
will do.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, we've probably dived deeper than most people have ever
dove into the final destination sort of rule book. There's
kind of clear things that you see from previous movies
that kind of death can or can't do. But we
also like built this massive spreadsheet of every different set
piece from the previous movies and categorize them and like
exactly how they worked, how many omens each one had,
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if the audience was or was aware of certain things,
if the characters were aware of certain things, how long
they were, and also like how they related to the
different types of deaths next to each other. And by
doing that huge deep dive, it really gave us a
deep understanding of all the different ways you know, that
death can come from people. Often people just think, oh,
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there's these crazy death sequences, but they're actually quite uniquely
different the way that they're structured. You know, some of
them happened very quickly, some of them the audience knows
all this sorts of stuff, and the characters don't. Some
of them, the characters know exactly what's going down, but
they're trapped and so like, there's a lot of different
ways that it works, and we were huge nerds on
that to make sure that we kind of had one
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of each type.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And the producers, Craig Perry and Sheila Taylor, they were
also with us, you know, for the whole three years
we were making this movie, and they've made the other
ones as well, so they were also like great sources
of wisdom on what how death works. So it was
a big collaboration with the whole team.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's really fun as a filmmaker because death isn't personified
in the movie. Most horror films or slasher films have
a bad guy or a monster or a shark or whatever,
and in this case, it's just the filmmaking that's creating
a sense as a sense that there's a presence there
that's making a beer bottle look scary or whatever it's doing.
And that's so much fun as a filmmaker because it
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basically makes us death and so we just had so
much fun building all those sequences that way.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Speaking of being a film maker, what was the first
movie you watched that you saw and thought, man, that
is the movie that now makes me want to be
a director.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Wow. I mean, for me, there's sort of two movies
that come to mind. One, I saw The Jurassic Park
when I was nine years old in theaters and it
was the scariest horror film I've ever seen in my
life and convincement I was going to die in the
theater and have kind of been chasing that feeling ever since.
And then when I was thirteen, the Matrix came out,
and that was when I was making movies, and every
movie I made that summer was a rip off of
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the Matrix, and that that's kind of the movie that
made me want to Then, just the feeling of watching
The Matrix and then wanting to just make the Matrix
over and over and over again. It's sort of been
something I've been chasing ever since.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
For me, it was probably Star Wars, just watching the
original trilogy again and again on VHS, you know, plus
all the e Walk spin offs, and you know, just
like I was the biggest you know, Star Wars kid
growing up, and the magic and epicness of that series
was probably early inspiration.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
All great picks. The movie had me just sucked in
from the very beginning. It was just a monstrous opening
sequence and I think my favorite performance of the entire
movie came in that opening sequence, and it was seventy
one year old stunt performer javette Ferguson, who became has
the world record now for being the oldest actor to
be set on fire. Could you tell me about that
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that stunt and how that went down to day?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, we had an amazing stunt team. I mean the
stunt coordinators. They're in charge of kind of you know,
helping us pick the stunt people that will do specific gags.
So Simon who's our stunt coordinator, and Dustin Brooks who
is his co coordinator assistant coordinator, they know everyone in Vancouver,
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and they were kind of presenting different options and they said,
what about what about.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The event here?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like she's she's been on the older side, but would
you guys be open to that? And we were like, yes,
that's amazing and a event for her part. She's been
a long time stunt person, but she was so excited
to do it because she said, my whole family's been
on fire and I've never been on fire, Like, thank
you so much for giving me this opportunity, well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
She thought she would never. She thought, basically, I'm retiring
and I never got lit on fire. I never because
doing a full body burn for a stunt person is
sort of a rites of passage. It's like they all
look forward to having that opportunity because it doesn't happen
that often. And so she was so grateful to get
that ability. And yeah, she ran like sixty feet entirely
on fire. And then what I don't think many people
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realize is she ran on fire through the whole restaurant
and then ran into an actual propane leak that then
exploded all around her with a giant fireball of propane.
So like, not only was she on fire, she run it,
she like lit an explosion. At the end of running
on fire, they.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Cover themselves with this special gel that has been gone
through very different evolution and over the years, but the
latest version of it was invented basically by our stunt team,
this fire protective fire gel that's flammable and also protects
the stunt people somehow.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And they just want an.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oscar, a side tech oscar for the fire jail. This year,
Dustin and Colin won that oscar for the fire jel
that was used in our movie.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That is so amazing. I think my second favorite kill
is probably Julia in the garbage truck, and I have
just questions about the difference between when to decide to
make something with practical effects or when do you cgi
for that scene specifically, how do you decide what are
we going to do like here on set and what
are we going to do in post production.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think our approach is trying to do the practical
gag as far as it will go, and then augment
it with CG after capturing it. So in terms of
how it's built, it's really collaboration with the team. But
for each death we go, okay, so how would we
do this if we were doing this back in the
nineteen eighties completely practically, and the team brainstorms and figures
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it out. For the Julia death, in particular, they built
this amazing garbage truck rig that had this metal plate
with metal rods rubber tips so that it could extend
into her face and hug the contours of her face
looking like it's pressing in, and then in the computer
after they just replaced the metal rods with a flat
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metal piece so it looks like it's truly going into
and interacting with her face. And then we also built
a makeup effects.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Fake head.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That was pretty you know, kind of molded these three
D skinned on a Lauri who played Julia, and then
built a fake head that we crushed for real. And
then they take those two elements, the crushed head and
the real on a Lauri performance, and in the computer
it kind of meld them together and morphed them and
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stuff like that. So basically getting the practical elements and
then using the computer to kind of tie it all together.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
My final question is for you, Zach. I was a
huge fan of Goosebumps growing up, and I it was
my dream be on that show someday. But you were
on an episode of Goosebumps. What was your experience like
on that show?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
For me, it was an incredible dream come true because
I was ten or eleven at the time, so everyone
in my grade was reading goose Bumps. That's all we
were all doing. And then to be then it was
also my first time as an actor being flown somewhere
because I lived in Vancouver, but it was shooting in Toronto,
and so flying to Toronto to then be in this
you know, incredible kind of thing that you would read about,
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and r al Stein being this mythic cre you know,
person that actually like created all these twisted tales, and
the other fun weird thing is just for whatever reason
because in the season they were kind of running behind.
We would shoot all night. They would never like we
were shooting nights, even though most of it was inside
and like so it was like living like a vampire
for like two weeks in Toronto and reclimbed the bookcase. Yeah,
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the first thing I had the first this is in
the nineties, you know, things were just a little bit
more loose back then. But yeah, the first thing that
happens in that episode, if you go watch it, is
like I'm trying to like climb up a bookcase looking
for presents at the top of this bookcase, and then
it starts to tip and I jump off and it
falls and just like barely crushes me. And we just
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like just did that. Basically, They're just like, yeah, just
climb up, and then as you're jumping down, we're just
gonna push it over. And I was pret and I
look back, going that was pretty weird that they just
let us do that.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But safety is like so present these days. And even
though we did so many things that looked like they
killed people in my lascination, the same dy was like
incredibly top notch. It's pretty it's pretty amazing how the
team you know, keeps everyone so.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
There's probably no there's probably.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
No fire blasts and everything.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
No worse job than head of safety on a final
Destination movie. I can only imagine the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, who knew the set of Goosebumps was more dangerous
than you guys said? Well, I really appreciate the time.
Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Thanks thanks much.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before we get into this week's review, how about some
movie news because one of my favorite pieces of movie
news came out last week. I was so excited John
Burnhal's Punisher will appear in Spider Man Brand New Day.
That is really exciting to me. I think the Punisher
is one of the most underutilized characters in the MCU.
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I mean, even if you go back to the two
thousand and four Punisher movie, which at that time I
don't really hold anything against Marvel, they were trying anything
with the characters they had the rights to. That movie's
not a good movie. But what John Burnhal has done
with the character. I think has done what Robert Downey
Junior did to Iron Man. Where before iron Man with
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Robert Downey Jr. In two thousand and eight, that wasn't
one of Marvel's most popular characters at all. You probably
before that didn't even know his origin story if you
weren't a mega comic book fan. But now what John
Burenthal and his series that first came out on netfl
which was darker and grittier, he is now that character.
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There are very few people in the MCU that cannot
be recast. I think John Bernenthal as Punisher is one
of them. Obviously Robert Downey Junior as iron Man, and
the third would have to be Hugh Jackman as Spider Man. Well,
even though Thomas Jane did play the Punisher in two
thousand and four, so there has been two Punishers at
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least on screen. But John Burenthal hasn't been in a
movie as the Punisher yet. And now the plot of
Brand New Day is still pretty much a known but
No Way Home ended on a cliffhanger, and now Spider
Man is dealing with a lot of things and this
is gonna be the first time any actor who has
played Spider Man is getting a fourth film. Even though
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Toby maguire was supposed to get a fourth film it
was on Sody's slate. There's an old tweet that resurfaces
about once a year of them announcing Spider Man for
and that never came to be. So I have to
imagine that this is going to be it for Tom Holland.
I don't know so far. He's not attached to any
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of the Avengers movies coming out, but that could happen later.
Whenever they did the chair reveal, I believe his name
was not on any of those chairs of the cast
announced for those movies. So not a whole lot of
details on the plot. We know John Burnhalt is going
to be a part of it. We know Sadie Sink
is going to be a part of it, which at
the time of recording this, her role in that movie
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has still not been released. Is she gonna be a
Gwen Stacy? Is she gonna be a villain? How is
she going to fit into the storyline? The movie has
a fantastic cast, and my hopes for this movie. We've
had one, two, and three in this series that have
been so attached to what is going on in the MCU.
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I want this one to be completely separate. And when
I look at my favorite characters in the MCU and
the stories, I gravitate towards more. They are the darker,
street level superheroes, and we had that in this last
season of Daredevil Born Again. I think you have to
bring in Charlie Cox in this in some way. If
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you have Punisher there, you gotta have Daredevil two. And
I think that is a fantastic theme. I think Spider
Man needs to go back to fighting crime in New
York City. If they could take the tone and style
of Daredevil and push it into the world of Spider Man,
I think that would be amazing. Some people are even
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speculating that Spider Man for is going to be R rated.
I don't think that's going to be the case, just
because the character of Spider Man has such a wide
appeal as a lot of young fans, I think by
making it R rated, you're probably going to alienate a
big portion of the audience. And I just don't think
an R rated movie is in Spider Man's DNA. But
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me selfishly, as an adult, I would love to see
that to see bloodshed in a Spider Man movie, I
think would be amazing. So I'm curious to see how
The Punisher is going to fit into the story. I
can't imagine Frank Castle liking Spider Man because him and
daredeb will barely get along. They kind of like each other.
They work together, but ultimately their egos just don't work
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well together where they can be friends in some situations,
but he's also an anti hero, so they're not always
eye to eye. I look at Frank Castle and I
look at Peter Parker, and I see two people who
are not going to get along. So I have to
imagine he's gonna be kind of a villain in the story,
an anti hero at least where he might help Spider
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Man out a little bit. But could you imagine the
Punisher going toe to toe with Spider Man. I can't
wait to see it again. It's not coming out till
July thirty first, twenty twenty six. Myself, I kind of
forget what year it is. We are in twenty twenty five.
I was like, I don't want to have to wait
two years for another Spider Man movie. But next year, hopefully,
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Although I have to imagine just the way things have
gone for me when it comes to movies being released,
it's gonna get pushed. So in my head, it's coming
out not in the summer, but they're gonna push it,
probably to fall an inevitably winter. It's inevitably to me.
I'm placing it as another December release for Spider Man.
But yeah, no way, this movie is gonna be R rated.
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Next up in movie news as story number two of three,
Ryan Kugler Sinner starring Michael B. Jordan, is coming out
on Max this Friday, July fourth. What says America in
freedom like Sinners and Vampires and one of the most
I don't think it's an unexpected hit of the year
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because Ryan Kugler is such a just renowned director, But
I don't think people expected it to do as well
as it did because Sinners has now become one of
the top ten highest grossing R rated horror films of
all time Domestically, this movie has been a force to
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be reckoned with. And I knew I was gonna like
it just because it's Ryan Coogler and I am just
instantly drawn to his work. I would probably put him.
I don't know if my top five directors right now,
but easily top ten. I think with Sinners, he probably
squeaks into my top five now. But this is a
movie I would say, if you haven't seen an original
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movie in a while, and maybe you are on the
fence of wanting to go see it in theaters, well
now's your chance. Even though MAX is one of the
most expensive of the streaming services, I think the quality
is always there. So if you already have MAX, it
is a no brainer. Give it a watch this weekend
or the next coming weeks. I think you will enjoy it.
Even if you're not super into horror films but can
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handle a little bit of blood, a little bit of violence,
and just want to see a really great original story.
I say check out Sinners. But even if you don't
have MAX, it is one of the more expensive streaming services,
but I think the quality is there as far as
just for movies with new original movies that come out
in theaters. But speaking of original movies, in my final
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story in Movie News, Dakota Johnson says that Hollywood is
a mess right now because studios just want to keep
remaking the same thing. And I quote she says, when
something does well, studios want to keep that going, so
they remake the same things, but humans don't want that.
She was out doing interviews for Material List, and she
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basically said that Hollywood is a bit of a mess.
She went on to say, I think it's hard when
creative decisions are made by a committee, and it's hard
when creative decisions are made by people who don't really
watch movies or know anything about them. And that tends
to be what is occurring a lot. That is a
spicy take there, Dakota Johnson essentially saying the people making
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these decisions don't care about art, don't care about creativity.
They just see numbers, they see risks. And I can
see that to a degree because it is the movie business.
It is an industry that needs profits to continue. And
if you look at a movie just by the numbers,
you start thinking in a way that is so analytical
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that takes all the heart out of it. And this
is in response to in recent years Hollywood, just in
the last five years specifically, which you could say this
has gone on for more than five years, they have
entered into an ip frenzy. And why do they do that.
It's because those movies are easier to market, and marketing
is expensive. So if you make a movie about something
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that already has a built in audience, it's gonna be
easier to make. It's gonna be easier to get that
McDonald's happy Meal deal. It's gonna be easier to get
a Crispy Kreme donut collab. It's gonna be easier to
get a Cup at seven to eleven to promote that movie.
So it comes down to it being easier to market
a minecraft movie than it is. The movie we were
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just about. Sinner Sinners didn't have any fancy collabse. You
couldn't go get the Sinner's Meals somewhere. You also didn't
really have that movie shoved in your face every single
time you turned on a screen or were scrolling through
your phone. But that movie has been so impactful, and
I'm so glad it has done so well because hopefully
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that's getting through to some people saying we can make
movies on original stories. We just have to find really
great directors like Ryan Coogler, which are like one in
a million sometimes. And also speaking on that recently, it
was Amanda Seifred who kind of talked smack about Hollywood too,
and their addiction to sequels, which she said, it's not
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very brave to do sequels. It's just for money and
it's frustrating, which is interesting for her to say, and
I know where the sentiment is. But if you look
at her career, she was in Mom and Mia, Here
we Go Again, she was in Ted two. She's also
currently in talks to make a Jennifer's Bar, so her
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career has benefited from some sequels. She even poked fun
at some of the movies coming out this summer, calling
them Fantastic super Park, four Super Parks, four Dinosaurs, four
Super Dinosaurs. I don't know, she said, I will say
there is a little bit of fatigue with sequels. I
want original content. I think it's really scary and brave
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to do it. It's not scary and brave to do
the sequels. It's just for money and it's frustrating. Then again,
I do Mama Mia three in a heartbeat. I feel
a little bit like that takes away from the impact
of what she is saying, because she just contradicted herself
and made the point for the other side of the argument, saying,
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I'm so tired of sequels. I want to see something new.
But if you're gonna throw a pile of cash on
my table, I'm gonna take it to do another Mama
Mia three. That also just adds to the point of
actors just need to work and they wanted take movies
that are gonna be good for their career, that are
gonna make them money. I think sometimes too, we think
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that every actor is just a crazy millionaire, and that
is not the case when you look at the breakdown
of who they have to pay, how much they actually
take away from a role like a MoMA Mea three.
They have to keep working. So it'd be easy to
say I only want to do new, original movies for
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the rest of my career, but also when you start
to look at the numbers, you have to do what
is smart for you. So again, it is a business.
And as much as I want to romanticize my love
of film and say that everything should be new and fresh,
I also think about the people who I've learned from
doing this podcast, maybe only go to the movies once
or twice a year. And I think to those people
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who aren't as tuned in as some of us here
who listen to this podcast, you see the movies that
are fed to you, that are shown to you through
commercials and ads on the radio and social media. And
it is those movies with the big ip that are
gonna be pushed down your throat the most. And I
can see where that sentiment comes of, oh, everything is
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just a sequel to remake, because they're trying to get
to you. They're trying to get to the people who
do know those originals, who have a relationship with them,
and that is gonna be what you're fed. You're not
seeing the movies going under the radar. You're not getting
the Ballot of Wallace Island. You're getting less of the
new Wes Anderson film thrown at you and more of
whatever the Rock is remaking at the moment. So while myself,
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I do want fresh stories, I do want creative freedom,
I do want to have new experiences in the theater.
I also see a movie like Elio come out that
is providing that, even though I don't think what happened
with that movie is all due to the fact that
people don't want to support new original movies. I think
Pixar needs a little bit of a refresh when it
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comes to their character design, their storytelling. I ultimately think
that is what is going on there right now. But
also with Elio, I remember seeing the poster and the
quick teaser probably a year ago, and then didn't hear
that much about it until maybe a week before its release.
So to some people, that movie just came out of nowhere.
So again it comes down to them not putting the
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money in the marketing. And when we talk about remakes
versus new original content, I really think we're really arguing
hardcore fans versus more casual fans. Hardcore fans are always
gonna want the new, fresh thing that's not attached to
any ip even though me like I would consider myself
a hardcore fan, but I also have an attachment to
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a lot of franchises, and I don't mind sequels and
remakes all the time because I still get really excited
for those. And then to a more casual person, they
want to go see something that feels familiar, and that
is why those movies end up in the top five
grossing movies of the year every single year. So maybe
it's just a chicken or the egg situation. All right, Well,
come back and I'll give my spoiler free review of
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twenty eight years later. Speaking of franchises, two words to
describe twenty eight years later butt drenching. This is my
spoiler free review of twenty eight years later. Why do
I call it butt drenching Because I had so much
anxiety watching this movie. It built up so much tension
that I was sweating from the top of my head
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all the way profusely down my body and left my
seat soaked metaphorically, because this was unlike the two previous
entries in twenty eight years later, much more sophisticated. Even
when the trailer dropped earlier this year, I declared it
Trailer of the Year because just the visuals, the sound,
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and the trailer alone, I knew I was in for
something special. And I think because I have such an
attachment to this franchise, because how groundbreaking it was when
it came out. Because if you look at history now,
you think, oh, we've had zombie movies since seventies eighties,
talking about Romero and all of the greats who have
handled the genre and really made it what it is.
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But when twenty eight Days Later came out and where
it started, where you had this group of scientists working
on chimps, chimps went crazy, killed some people. They throw
up blood on other people, and that's how it spreads.
And what made those movies different is the zombies weren't
your typical walking around brain zombies. They were rage filled
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because that's what it was, the rage virus, and they
would go around mashing people's faces, throwing up on them,
and they'd infect another person, and they ran quickly, and
that was something at the time we hadn't really seen before.
Some would argue somebody else did it before, but that
was groundbreaking to see a zombie not moving slowly, but
to be able to chase you down, to turn you
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into a zombie. And it's not even like your traditional
zombie because they don't act the same way. They are quicker, faster,
and smarter. And that was even back in twenty eight
days later, which the first one takes place in two
thousand and six, twenty eight weeks later took place in
two thousand and seven, and now with twenty eight years later,
we are looking at twenty thirty five. The zombies have
now mutated again, where you have these alphas that are
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even bigger and stronger and faster and smarter and are
so sinister like, and what this movie focuses on is
you have a group of people who have moved out
to this small island where for the most part, they
are protected and they are connected to the mainland through
this little strip of land that when the tide is low,
they are able to walk from their island to the
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mainland to go and find you know, wood to burn fires, food, hunt,
and also kill some of the rage filled people who
are living on that island as well. And that is
how they get by because they go, bring their supplies,
come back, and they are able to guard their community
on this island by keeping that border secure. The dad
is played by Aaron Taylor Johnson, who I think is
(28:56):
a really good actor. He was a great and no swarato.
Was he the best in Craven the Hunter. No, But
that wasn't really his fault. I think he did what
he was supposed to do. That was just a bad
movie all the way around, and he probably saw that
as Hey, I'm finally getting a leading role in a
movie here, I'm gonna take it, much like Dakota Johnson
probably did with Madame Webb. Alfie Williams plays his son Spike,
(29:17):
which I think it is really his movie. If you
look at twenty eight years later, it is really a
coming of age story because he plays a twelve year
old kid who he's at that age where he's still
a little bit too young to go venture to this
island to kill the infected, but his dad thinks he's ready.
He's really pushing him. He wants them to be what
essentially he is, be the hero of the town, and
(29:40):
this kid is scared. This kid is not ready for it.
And it starts with their journey into the mainland for
his son to get his first kill, and it's really
focusing on him developing as a human, where I haven't
really seen that in a zombie movie. And I think
the fact that it takes place in twenty thirty five,
so long after the outbreak, is what makes this really
(30:00):
impactful and what really sets itself apart, because you start
to think, like, how really would this change humanity? How
would us as people adapt to this? You kind of
revert back to the very early days of just building
a society of you have people in these roles. You
have hunters, you have gatherers, you have fishermen, all these
(30:21):
really essential roles. And something that was stated in the
very first twenty eight Days Later movie was really impactful
to me, and I rewatched both of the movies leading
up to this to get me in that mindset, and
I got really hype going into this one. But there's
a line in the first movie where they talk about
how are we going to build a world back after this,
Like how far away are we to getting things back
(30:43):
to how they were? And somebody makes the point of
humans have only existed on this planet for a very
very small time, and I think I looked it up,
and the world's billions and billions of years old, and
the amount of times that humans have been here is
like point zero five percent of the lifespan of the Earth.
(31:03):
And in that first movie they say, well, really, if
things were going back to normal, it would be us
being gone from this planet for how little we have
been here, And that stuck with me because in that
movie they're just trying to get back to the way
things were before the outbreak, get electricity back, get humans
just back living normal daily lives. And when you think
(31:24):
about it, really having all those things taken away from
us and the Earth just being this place filled with
nature and some other life form inhabiting it that can
survive like that would be the Earth reverting back to normal.
And this movie is kind of going back to the
very early stages of humanity where it almost feels like
(31:45):
it takes place way back in the day, but really
it's twenty thirty five. We would have to go back
and literally start all the way over. And I think
in doing that and how this movie starts to set
this whole new stage, which it like a totally fresh chapter.
And the thing about twenty eight years later is even
if you didn't watch the first one, didn't watch the
(32:07):
second one, which is also fantastic, which is also fantastic,
It has Jeremy Renner in one of his best roles
that kind of goes unnoticed. Sometimes you have rose Byrn
in there as well, and that one's about asymptomatic survivor
and their kids who try to get saved by Rose
Byrn and Jeremy Renner. But even if you hadn't seen
part one or Part two, you could just watch this
one and those other two now kind of service prequels,
(32:29):
because I think they're resetting this entire world, and the
new franchise kind of starts here again because you have
director Danny boyleback, you have writer Alex Garland back, who
did not write or direct the second one. But this
is kind of the new starting point where they're gonna
make more movies. I hope they bring back a lot
of these people because I really got invested in these characters.
(32:50):
Ray Fines is just incredible to have an actor who
is so next level to be in a movie like this.
It made it one of the most beautiful horror movies
I've ever seen, because just watching it was a visual
treat where you see this movie filmed on location, this
beautiful countryside, and then these really vicious and heinous things happening,
(33:13):
and there's this big juxtaposition of like, look how beautiful
the scenery is. Look how beautiful of the beach and
the water is. But then you have this alpha running
at full speed wanting to eat your brains out, especially
early on in the movie where when they're first walking
to that mainland, it's almost like this witch enticing you
with a spell to bring you in. And if you
watch just the trailer alone, you might have heard this
(33:36):
poem that's being spoken over it that's just so haunting
and sinister. It's a poem called Boots, which was all
about British infantrymen, where it's this really repetitive sound and
you hear the boots marching, and then it gets a
(33:58):
little bit more intense, a little bit more intense, a
little bit louder now, a little bit louder now, and
then it is just all out freaky as crap. That
is how the first act of this movie just kind
of entices you and brings you into it, and it
makes you feel this terror that you don't really know
where it's coming from, because overall this movie is less violent.
(34:20):
I would say the thing that I didn't like about it,
if there was one thing, is I wanted there to
be more action. But that was only because I was
basically it on the first two movies. If I'd only
watched this movie and I hadn't watched the other two,
I would think it's a perfect movie. But I think
how it fits in the franchise, knowing that the first
two are just more action filled. The first one is
essentially a road trip movie where they go and try
(34:41):
to find this military base after hearing a message with
just the hope of finding somebody who has a cure,
and then in the second one, where the outbreak happens again,
where they think they're safe and then they're on the
run again. You're not really on the run in this movie,
so it's not so much about trying to escape and
away from all of the infected. It's just how are
(35:02):
you going to exist in this world now? So overall,
the story just doesn't have that same level of action
that I feel like the twenty eight franchise has kind
of branded itself with. But it's evolved so much where
it's taking on something maybe not entirely new, but it's
not just one of the best horror films of the year.
It is just one of the best films and it's
really starting to set itself apart. Now, would a horror
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movie like this ever be nominated for Best Picture? No,
And that is a travesty because it is that good.
Just because it's a part of a franchise, just because
it's coming out in the summer, and because it's going
to be successful, it doesn't really check all the boxes
of oh, this could be nominated for Best Picture. Ray
find should be nominated for Best Supporting Actor. He just
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should because he is that good of an actor and
is that impactful in this movie that it takes it
next level. This was one of the rare movies that
I've seen this year that left me wanting more. Where
I knew it was starting to get to the final act,
I knew it was about an end, and I thought,
I just need to see more. It is a great reset.
Also just a great introduction if you hadn't seen any
(36:06):
of these movies, which is a really rare thing. In
part three, normally it's so attached to what has come
before it, but for it being what I would consider
to be the first zombie coming of age movie, for
it not only having great visuals but also great sound design.
I just want to pull the sound file from this
movie and drive around in my car and listen to
it like a podcast, because I think just the sound
(36:29):
is terrifying in itself. And I've listened to some horror podcasts,
and I think you could pull the audio from this
and also make a horror podcast like that. I also
just love anything that's filmed on location. I'm a sucker
for the countryside at dawn and dusk in a movie.
I just think that is the best time of day
to film a movie like this. So for twenty eight
years later. I give it a four point five out
(36:50):
of five rage viruses, and that is exactly what I
would rate. Probably all the movies in this franchise, Part one,
Part two, and now Part three are all four point
five at of fives.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's time to head down to movie Mike Traylor Paul.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
In this year is edition of an actor going for
an oscar by playing a musician in a biopick. We
have Jeremy Allen White who will play the boss Bruce
Springsteen and deliver me from Nowhere. It is not a
complete biopick, which I like. We saw this last year
with Timothy Shallo May playing Bob Dylan, and that was
(37:29):
just a small portion of his life based on a book,
and we kind of have the same deal here. The
movie is about the making of his nineteen eighty two
album Nebraska. It is also based on a book. And
the reason I like it when they decide to focus
on a small part of their life that is very
significant is because a music biopick is a big thing
(37:52):
to take on, and oftentimes directors and writers bite off
more than they can chew because you have these really
iconic people from musicians we've seen have biopics recently, from
Queen to Bob Dylan to Bob Marley to Amy Winehouse.
The list goes on and on, and they do these
so frequently because when you think about making movies with IP,
(38:15):
you think about Fast and the Furious, you think about
Jurassic Park, you think about the mcu well. Musicians and
famous people are kind of like that because you put
this movie out and people know and love them. Therefore
they're already attached to it, and you have a built
in audience. So it's a different form of IP. I feel.
But when you try to make a movie about somebody's
entire life, it is way too much to cram into
(38:37):
a two, sometimes two and a half sometimes three hour movie.
So I instead like it when they focus on this
small little segment of their life to really represent these
people at a very pivotal point in their career, which
we saw with The Complete Unknown last year, and which
is what we're gonna see with Bruce Springsteen here, because
it's after he's had some major success, it's before he
(38:59):
has an even bigger success. Because if you look at
his albums, the one I know primarily is Born to Run,
which came out in nineteen seventy five. This one is
about Nebraska, which came out in nineteen eighty two, and
Born in the USA was the follow up from that,
which came out in nineteen eighty four. So you're getting
mostly young Bruce here. Alongside Jeremy Ellen White as Bruce Springsteen,
you also have Jeremy Strong from Succession playing his manager,
(39:23):
Steven Graham, who will play his dad. Paul Walter Hausa,
who I really enjoy as an actor. You might remember
him as Richard Jewel. He's also done a lot of
stuff recently, like Cruella. He's also going to be Chris
Farley in the upcoming bio Pick. He plays his recording engineer.
The movie is coming out in theaters on October twenty fourth.
(39:43):
Before we talk more about this movie, here's just a
little bit of the Deliver Me from Nowhere trailer.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So three oh five v eight never owned a new
car before. It's awfully fitting for handsome devil rock style.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I do know who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, that makes one of.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Us and boss, can you do Mike Chuck?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's trolling out.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Here's what I want you to understand. This is not
about either one of us. This is not about the charts.
This is about Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
A lot too Unpacking this trailer. The only thing I
fear so far is that it looks a little bit
and sounds a little bit too over dramatic. You hear
it there where you see Bruce Springsteen going to buy
his first new car. He's talking to the salesman and
he's like, uh, maybe you know better than me. It
just feels very like this forced epic noss that you
(40:44):
always find in music biopics that I just I can't
stand it because they're trying to make all these little
details about them, and these little actions throughout their lives
seem so significant and so impactful, where maybe this was
a big thing. It's like buying this car and then
him struggling with the idea of knowing himself and not
knowing himself. It just feels overly dramatic, a little mellow dramatic,
(41:08):
and it always just comes across as them trying too hard.
But I think that is just the nature of a
music biopick. They all do it. But I hope through
his performance through the entire movie that I'm not focused
on those little moments entirely. That's probably just what they
decided to put in the trailer, and hopefully there's more
to it than that, because if it's that level of
(41:29):
acting and that level of this is so important and significant.
Right now we're talking about the boss here, I think
we're gonna have a bad time. What excites me about
this movie is possibly what is deterring some people from
really buying into it, is the fact that Jeremy Allen
White doesn't look like Bruce Springsteen. He just doesn't look
(41:50):
like him. If you just showed me this trailer and
you took out his name and you took out the music,
I would not know what musical figure he is portraying
up until about the last thirty seconds when he's actually
on stage and you kind of see some of his
stage mannerisms, which I think he has really great stage presence.
And Jeremy Allen White was hands selected by Bruce Springsteen himself.
(42:15):
He said, I like this guy. He studied all of
Jeremy Allen White's work, probably watched a lot of Bear,
maybe some Shameless back in the day. Maybe he's seen
some of his most recent movies, like The Ironclaw, which
I'm getting pretty big iron Claw vibes from this trailer,
which I really enjoy. I don't know if that's just
the Jeremy Allen White thing. I'm into that. And if
(42:35):
Bruce Springsteen himself said I want this guy to play me,
that tells me that he probably sees a little bit
of himself in Jeremy Allen White. He thinks it's the
right decision. And I don't always think that the person
has to look exactly like who they are portraying. I
care more about their acting abilities. Can they portray these emotions?
Can they really fit into this character and make me
(42:59):
believe their story? That is more important to me. If
I look back on some of my favorite music biopics,
it's not the people who look exactly like them. It's
movies like Walk the Line with Joaquin Phoenix as Johnny Cash.
Does he look entirely like Johnny Cash? No, I don't
think so at all. If you get too focused on
the way that they look, you're going to miss the
(43:19):
big picture here and not find somebody who can actually
portray them. Sometimes you do get the best of both worlds,
like in Bohemian Rhapsody, wherever Remy Malik had the teeth
put into his mouth to look like Freddie Mercury, which
for that movie they did use some of Ramy Mallik's voice.
They also used old recordings and original recordings from Freddie Mercury,
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and the person who supplemented all the other parts was
a guy named Mark Mattel, who just sounds exactly like
Freddy Mercury. So I'm not entirely sure how much of
Remy Mallick's voice they actually use. It could have been
like a few words, a few little portions that they
put in there just so they could say, oh, you
actually hear some of his voice in this movie. But
(44:04):
not the case with the Bruce Springsteen movie, because Jeremy
Allen White says, that's me, I'm singing in this movie.
Here's the interview he did earlier this year with et.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I'm done singing all the movie songs or I sang
everything everything's in the movie.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's done. No more prep, no more vocal lessons. I
did it. So that is exciting to me, although I'm
not the biggest Bruce Springsteen fan, and maybe the same
thing will happen with me. After I watched Bohemian Rhapsody,
as I was so inspired by that movie, I went
back and discovered their music. And now I wouldn't call
myself a Queen fan. Before a brief period of time
(44:40):
when that movie came out, I did listen to a
lot of Queen. My Bruce Springsteen knowledge of his music
is really basic. If I made a top three Bruce
Springsteen songs of mine, it's so basic, I'm almost embarrassed
to admit it, because they're probably everybody's favorite Bruce Springsteen
songs at three, Dancing in the Dark, at two Born
in the USA, and at one Board to Run, which
(45:01):
is actually a song I will seek out to listen
to oftentimes. When I'm sitting here in the studio editing stuff,
working on other projects or other work, I always have
music playing, and that is a song I go to
a lot just because it makes me feel good. I
love the guitars and that the instrumentation. That is my
favorite song of his. But again, that is so basic.
(45:22):
But you do hear Jeremy Allen White singing that song
in the trailer, and I had to go and actually
look and research and find that clip of him saying
that that was him singing in this movie because it
sounded so much like the recording that paired with his
performance on stage in that scene, I thought, clearly they
just pulled the original song and put it over the
(45:44):
footage and slapped it on the trailer and got it
out there. Not the case. So that is so much
more exciting to me that we're actually going to not
only see him as Bruce Springsteen, but hear his rendition
of his songs. Now are they duping a song? Did
they just tell them say that? And they kind of
did what they did with Bohemian Rhapsody and just work
in some of his vocals because I don't really know
(46:06):
him to be a singer, but it looks like he
went through that process and did it for this film.
So that is dedication, and that is what I'm saying.
You need an actor who is going to go to
those links to take on a role and not just
show up like an Austen Butler and just look like
the person and try to embody them by changing their accent.
(46:27):
I feel like he is still being himself while being
Bruce Springsteen, and I think that is going to make
this story and this movie really resonate with audiences. Will
it get him an oscar though, It's a great question
because last year. I think a lot of people thought
Timothy Chalomeay was really a shoe in to get the nomination.
I thought that was a no brainer. I wasn't going
out on a limb predicting that when I first saw
(46:48):
that trailer. Here we are again with this biopick. But
I just think overall, his performance wasn't the strongest and
he didn't really deserve the Oscar. Jeremy ellen White, I
feel it's just on the cusp. This would be at
a great point in his career to be nominated for
an Oscar and to win, because after getting snubbed for
The Ironclaw, and how much just great movies and TV
(47:11):
shows he's been putting out recently. I could see that
just in his career happening for him. With this movie
coming out in October, right before Oscar season, I still
think it would be fresh on people's minds. And if
the movie is successful, I think that would add to
the conversation as well. And who knows, if this movie
is successful, Like I was just saying, maybe they start
(47:33):
teaming up some of these musicians, because we have Timothy
Shalloway as Bob Dylan, we have Harris Dickerson, Paul Meskal,
Barry Keegan, and Joseph Quinn as the Beatles. They are
each getting their own Beatles movie, and now we have
Jeremy Allen White as Bruce Springsteen. Maybe they form like
an Avengers of musicians and we get like an ultimate
(47:55):
movie where they all come together and create some fictional
concert that never really happened. But could you imagine that
like a connection between all of these storylines. We need
cinematic universes everywhere. Why not with real life biopicks, you
have them crossing over into each other. So if one
actor plays a musician in one movie, they're just set.
(48:16):
They're going to play them in any appearance in any
biopick that comes out after it. My other big concern,
not only with this biopick, but with any biopick, if
it comes out when that person is still alive, that
person is probably going to have some influence on the story.
In this case, Bruce Springsteen worked with Jeremy Allen White
on set. He got to talk to him a lot,
(48:38):
got to get inside of his brain, talk to him
about some of the things in the movie, how he
would do these things. And Bruce Springsteen was very generous
with his time providing that information. But I think also
in doing that him still being alive and having that influence,
even with him signing off on Jeremy Allen White to
play him, he could have some infla. It's the other
(49:00):
way of what he wants to include, what he doesn't
like in the movie. Maybe I don't want to show
that part of my life, and I feel like that
changes it because that causes the film not to have
the right perspective if there is that influence. I was
pleasantly surprised, though, with a Bob Dylan movie that it
did show his darker side, his mean streak, and didn't
(49:22):
always portray him in the best light. So it can
be done. But I have a feeling that there were
much more darker things that Bob Dylan was experiencing during
that time that we did not get. So again, I'm
not the biggest Bruce Springsteen fan. I don't know the
lore of his music and his life. I don't really
know how he has inspired so many people, why he
(49:44):
has become as big of an icon as he is.
But I'm willing to learn, and I think this movie
is gonna be the one to do it for me.
So I'm excited for this biopic, Deliver Me from Nowhere,
comes out in theaters on October twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Gaid that was.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
This week's edition of Movie B Frame or Bar and
that is gonna do it for another episode here of
the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give my
listeners shout out of the week. This week, I'm going
over to TikTok. I've been posting more clips over there.
I've been getting very strategic with what I post from
the podcast. So if you are a listener of this
(50:19):
podcast and you also want to see well me actually
in this studio recording things from it, you can follow
me on socials. You can always find those links in
the episode notes, or you can go over to my
YouTube channel where I post individual movie reviews. Recently, I've
been getting hit a lot about what was that movie
you talked about that gave you nightmares? That was Bring
Her Back, one of my favorite horror films of the year.
(50:40):
So if you just want to go find that specific review,
go over to my YouTube channel, YouTube dot com, slash
Mike d shro, hit subscribe, hit the bell, comment that
you're a listener of the podcast as well. Do all
that over there, But if you just want clips, I
highly encourage you to follow me on TikTok, which just
go to the link of my profile because my username
(51:00):
is still messed up over there after I got hacked,
so I think if you search TikTok dot com slash
Mike Destro, my profile still comes up, but it still
has a weird username, So just click the link in
the episode notes. But this week I'm going over to
my comments on TikTok and shouting out stay gold x
Darling who commented on my review of The Materialists and said, yes,
(51:22):
they don't quite make them like they used to anymore.
In regard to me being like, why don't they have
rom coms with really great movie quotes anymore? There was
a big discussion online in my comments of a lot
of people don't even consider Materialists to be a rom com.
I do. I still think it falls into the category.
I think that's how it was marketed towards us. So
(51:44):
if somebody declares themselves in a genre, I am going
to be respectful of that. Somebody puts out a song
and says this is a country song, I'm not going
to be like, well, really, it feels like a pop song.
If you declare the genre you want a movie to
be in, I am going to abide by that, and
I'm gonna find those elements in the movie that backs
(52:05):
up your claim. I think it's much more evolved. I
think it is probably more into the romance side, so
I feel like maybe to most it comes off as
a little bit more of a drama and the comedy
is very subdued, not like it was in the two thousands,
where I think most people think like, oh, that's a
rock coming to two thousands where things are very wacky.
(52:28):
I think this is the genre evolving. So there's a
whole lot of discussion on that. There's a lot of
discussion on movie quotes. So thank you guys for always
being a part of the conversation. That's why I love
doing this podcast, So I appreciate that. And if you're
super old school and you want to email me your thoughts,
Moviemike dat gmail dot com. And until next time, go
out and watch good movies and I will talk to
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