THURS PT 2: Gretchen Wilson On The Masked Singer, Redneck Woman And Making A Comeback + Amy Called Out For Being Late

Gretchen Wilson recently won season 13 of The Masked Singer as her character Pearl. She stopped by our studio for the first time to talk about that experience, first dropping on the country music scene with 'Redneck Woman' and how her time on the Masked Singer has inspired her comeback. Bobby shared stories about a Pacer fan who stabbed a Knicks fan and why you may be able to buy a cheaper house soon. Bobby also talked about why he put needles in his body yesterday.  Bobby talked about the last time a person was late and how he’s been holding onto it for a long time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get your Bobby Bulls on Bobby Bone.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, So Gretchen Wilson was in the studio and
we'll play that interview in a second. She was fantastic,
and then afterward we'll go for another thirty minutes or
so on the podcast. So don't want you to leave
after that's over all. Right here she is Gretchen Wilson.
They will go on the Bobby Bones show now.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Gretchen Wilson, Gretchen, good to see you. What do you
have with you?

Speaker 4 (00:22):
What do I have with me?

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Is that from Pearl? It is.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's a little part of Pearl that I brought. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Is that a glove?

Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's both of them. Yeah, these were my These were
my hands.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Don't they look smooth so funny?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah? And they're off, they're kind of dirty. I was
surprised at but they sent them to me just so
I could have them for things like this, so that
I can really bring them around and show a little
piece of my other self. They want them back.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I have to They want them back.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
We have to FedEx them back. Actually, my publicers like,
don't forget the gloves, they were asking me about them.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I would make fake ones and send the fake ones
back to look like that.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, you know, I have four dogs at home, and
my mom this morning was just like tell them that
the dog you know, I mean, actually probably happened.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, So ABS some questions about that show, specifically, who
can you tell that you're on the mask singer?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
You can't tell anyone. I mean, I actually am so
surprised at how how they keep the integrity of the
secrets and the hush hush Like the whole time I
was there for a month long work days, very strenuous,
and you have to wear this hoodie and this visor
that's taped. It's even taped on the inside, so you
only have two little tiny squares that you didn see
through gloves. Can't show your hair, your skin, your ankles,

(01:33):
your fingers, nothing. So the whole time I was there,
I had absolutely no idea who I was competing against.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Oh, you didn't even know who you were? Absolutely not
thought about that.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
No, I had to watch, just like the viewing audience
at home, to see who was being unmasked. Every The
only one I knew was who came in second place,
Andy Grammar, because they let us unmask in front of
each other. But that was it. I didn't know anybody
else the whole time. It was a guessing game.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
What about your family?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Though, so very few people. My publicist knew hair and
makeup artists, who's been with me for over twenty years.
She's the only one that went out there with me.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Wait, why did you need haar a makeup done?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, there is the unmasking at some point.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh oh, so there just in case, because you could.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Get unmasked at any at any given moment. Every time
you go out there, it could be your last performance,
so you have to be ready to oh see as
good as you possibly can underneath them. And I mean,
if you saw it, I was pretty dang sweaty. I
looked like I looked like a regular old, middle aged
woman who just worked her ass off.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
But that's funny.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
But I mean we did the best we could under
the mask. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
When I did Dancing with the Stars, we had to
take our suitcases fully packed every show because you might
be going because.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
We might be going home. I never thought about that.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Like, yeah, So, I mean, I guess it's probably a
lot easier for the guys. They don't do as much styling,
but you know, some of the girls take that mask off,
and it's like, did they just spend an hour and
a half doing hair and makeup before they took that
head off?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
When did they come to you? How far ahead before
you left? Did they come to you and say do
the mass singer? And what did they say to convince
you to do it?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
They had been asking, I think they asked several times,
and I was just you know, I was just like me,
you know, dancing around in a costume. I just didn't
make sense. But then a few years ago, I was
one of the first in I think town, early in
twenty twenty to get COVID, and it threw me for
a loop. I'm a long hauler, I've gotten now, high
blood pressure as these are all things that I didn't

(03:27):
have before. And then I fell dancing with the six
year old boy doing ring around the rosie. I fell
and just demolished my left leg ankle was just you
know when you see on YouTube videos sometimes the foot
hanging the wrong way. That's what I did. And so
I had like about a solid year and a half
of just I don't know if I'm ever going to
get back, you know, get back to walking wearing these shoes.

(03:49):
My health was so bad. It took forever to get
the right medication. So this time when they asked, I
was on the rebound. I was getting healthier, I'd finally
found good doctors and all of that. To myself, I
was scared. I was scared to go back out on tour.
I was I didn't know if I could still do it.
And I thought, well, if I can go out there
and I can do something that's so outside of my norm,

(04:10):
something that pushes me to my limit. I mean hard
rehearsals for choreography and just stuff that I'm not used to,
if I can do that, then I can keep going
for a while. And so for me, it was really
about testing myself and proving to myself that I could
still do this for another You know, however many years.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Wow, I didn't know you hurt yourself so bad.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
It was and while you're sick, it's also like you're
dealing with long COVID and you also can't get your
body in.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I gave like sixty five pounds, so.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's broken and your whole systems. I was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, I was in a wheelchair for like almost eight months,
casted from over the knee all the way down to
the middle of my foot.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yes, and it was just yeah, and it was just
a long recovery and then depression, like I was one
of those you know, I'm an old fashioned redneck from
out in the country. I'm like, depression, I don't believe
in that, and then it happens to you, and then
you're like, dang, this is real, you know, like I
really my everything just felt bad for a while. I
just I didn't even feel like I was inside of

(05:09):
my own self, like I thought I was in someone
else's skin. And it just took a lot of determination,
a lot of prayer obviously, and a lot of hard
work and believing in myself. But yeah, the Mask Singer
definitely gave me that. That just kind of that push.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You seem so energetic and even magnetic right now. Are
you feeling good?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I feel good. I feel like that. In my life,
I have had so many things working against me, and
I've always sort of just just I don't know if
it's just the way I was raised by the women
around me just being such strong women, but I've always
just been you know, you're not gonna get me down
kind of a person, but there was definitely in the
last couple of years, there was that moment, especially at
my age. I'm you know, I'm no spring chicken. I'm

(05:49):
coming up on fifty two years old. So I was like, well,
maybe it's just time. Maybe this is God's way of saying,
slow down, just be an old woman like you're supposed
to be, you know. But then, you know, with all
the prayer and everything, it just made sense to me
that God actually has a much bigger plan for me.
And I know this sounds crazy, but it is not singing,
even though that is like a miracle that I came

(06:11):
from where I come from, and you know, the things
that have happened to me weren't supposed to. But I'm
determined and I'm sure that this singing thing is still
just a path to something else that I'm supposed to
be doing, or I think I would have been hanging
it up. You know, a couple of years ago, is.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
That suit heavy?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It's very heavy, very heavy.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because I'm thinking about your foot, yes, and you're testing
your lungs obviously singing you're having to move around in
that thing a lot. And if it's heavy, it was,
it very uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's it's mostly hot. I mean, I would say it's heavy,
for sure, but there's just the heat and the kind
of costume that I had. There was not even a
little bitty sippy hole for like a straw to take
a drink. So in long rehearsals and long, you know,
dry blocking sets, that would get kind of uncomfortable because.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
You can't just pull your head off, but people around.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
You, no, you can't. Sometimes they'd let you do the
rehearsals with the visor, but that was still hot. You know. Yeah,
it's heavy, it's it's hot, it's but you know what
a lot of people don't know is that underneath it's
it's a it's like a bicycle helmet that they just
crank tighter and tighter and tighter, and then you wiggle
and if your head starts to go over. But I mean,

(07:23):
it's heavy enough that one of the performances they had
me squatting down and inside of this little box and
then when the music starts, I step up and I
had to practice it three or four times because just
lifting that head it was like lifting another person on
my back to stand up straight, and I just thought,
I'm not gonna get all the way up or I
might go over backwards.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
When did you start to feel like you could win it?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Who I didn't think I was gonna win all the
way till the end. I thought for sure that that
Boogie Woogie had it. He was my favorite character. I
mean the first time I heard him, seeing because we
were in the same group. We started in the same group,
and I was like, Oh, this guy's got it. Whoever
he is, he's fabulous. He's just got the charisma. He
played the character parts so well. And we actually kind

(08:06):
of we were really high five in each other through
the hallways, still not knowing who each other were. You know,
we'd just call each other. I just called him Boogie
and he called me Pearl. That crazy, but yeah, we
had kind of a little character romance thing going on.
And then yeah, I didn't. I was determined to win
it when I got there, because I didn't fly all
the way out there for nothing. You know, I wasn't
gonna do all of that just to go home right away.

(08:29):
So yeah, I was. I was in it to win it,
but I didn't think I had it, And not even
until the end.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
What happens right after the show after you win, you
go sleep.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
You go to sleep, you try to get the cramping
to stop. You hydrate. I mean, seriously, the hydration was
probably the biggest thing for me, just being out there,
not used to California really that I don't go that often,
and just the wear and tear. So yeah, I mean
there was twice that I had to have medics come
and give me IV in my hotel room.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Wow, it was.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
It was not an easy show.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Are the contestants always singing live? Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, we sing live every time and there now they
do they do do some vocal recording. They're not really
it's not that important, but I think they they do
the vocal recording in case, you know, like a it's
a live TV show with a with a live audience.
I mean, what would happen if I fell and broke
my leg again right before I was supposed to go on,

(09:28):
you know, and they had to just sit me in
a seat, or what happens if I got laryngitis, you know,
all of a sudden. I think that they have it
as a backup plan. But everybody from what I was
listening to was live, and I'm pretty good at you know,
if you hear no flaws at all. You have to
question it. But you know, sitting back in my little
pipe and drape, listening to the other performances, it all
seemed really live to me.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You talk about where you came from, Pogonas, Illinois. Yes,
what's your hometown?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Like small? There's like seven hundred and eight hundred people there,
like a little wick shop, really no traffic light. There's
Poconnas is a little bit bigger than pier On Sea.
I had to pick a place when I got signed.
They were like, you have to have a hometown. I
was like, I really don't, though, I just lived everywhere.
You know, I'm here for three months there for three months.

(10:16):
I was born in Granite City, but I never lived
in Granite City, you know, it's just as it was
a weird childhood. So I had to pick a place.
And my favorite childhood memories were in Pocahontas, and I
did live there in two different spots there, but all
around there they're all little towns of like five hundred,
six hundred, seven hundred, mostly bars. There's really nothing to

(10:37):
do but go to the tavern. You know, everybody's mom
and dad and grandma and grandpa and aunt and uncles
are all a member of some kind of bush pool
league or you know, some kind of sand volleyball where
everybody's just getting drunk and fighting. I mean, it's just
it's just a lot of a lot of ignorant, drunken stuff.
I mean, and it's still the same. I go back
and I'll walk into the bar and there's the same

(10:58):
old man with the same cigarette with the long curved
ash hanging off of it. He's still drinking the same
mugg a bush, you know, and it's like nothing changes
around here, you know. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Why did you move to Nashville?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Because I was had big dreams, you know, just like
everybody else that moved to Nashville. I wanted to I
wanted to be Lauretta Lynn.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You know how old were you when you moved here.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I wasn't that young. I had had a pretty good
deal going back home. I was in three different bands
at the same time, playing every night. I was kind
of the big star back home, and moved down here
in probably ninety four and had to get a job
ten and bar right away because it was you know,
now little fish. So yeah, and I got a job

(11:42):
in the one place in all of Nashville that prides
itself on never playing country music, which was really strange,
really Bourbon Street Blues and Boogie Bard.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah. I used to live right over there on Prayer's Alle. Yeah,
so that's where you went to work.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's where I went to work. And I was making
really good money. You know, worked five a week. They're
going at three pm to open and stay there until
three am to close.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
And were you singing at the bar?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
It all so not at first, but then after I
was there for a little while, I made friends with
Stacy mitch Hart and Blues you can use band who
he still plays there, and we're pretty good buddies. And
he would start calling me up, and you know, I
was like the singing waitress and he'd just call me up.
And but again, I didn't get to do any any
originals or anything that was country. I was singing, you know,
Patti LaBelle and Aretha Franklin.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Were you writing that?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
So when I worked at Bourbon Street is when I
first met John and Kenny. John and Kenny just happened
in there one night. I was behind the bar and
they heard me sing and made their way up to
talk to me and.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Was it like big and Riches here? Was that the
thing was? Or did you know they were?

Speaker 4 (12:43):
They were still up and coming. Nobody knew them as
big and rich. John had a solo thing that was going,
and Kenny was trying his hand at the solo thing.
But they had really first met right around that time
and started writing together. So the music mafia was just
beginning at that moment, and so that's when that's when
they just asked me. You know, John said, how come

(13:04):
you got a record deal? And you know, me, being
who I am, I just kind of looked at him, like,
why you got one in your pocket? Because if you don't,
you know, order a drink and get out of my face.
I'm busy. So that was kind of our first meeting.
And then I got invited out to a music mafia
at the Pubble Love, and the kind of the rest.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Is history, and you just that just became your Your.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Group, became my family. It became my musical my musical home,
and my musical family. Yeah, we were all a little
bit different, but we were all good and we were
all good enough to hold an audience and that was
kind of what our motto was. It doesn't really matter
what you play, whether it's electric guitar or a fiddle,
or if you're, you know, a painter, or if you're
a sword swallower. We don't care. As long as you're

(13:42):
good at what you do and you can hold an audience,
then you're welcome at the Mafia.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I saw you at the ACM Awards. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I saw you too.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think it's talk to you because everybody, you know,
everybody's moving all around. But I thought it was super
cool because you got on stage with other new artists
when it was you, it was a whole bunch of
you guys.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, other female vocalist artists that have won.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Passed yet and it was twenty years since you won
the award.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, that was really it was a really cool moment.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
It was it was neat to be standing up there
with the likes of one owner and you know, just amazing,
amazing women in the industry. Crystal Gale, Yeah, Sarah Martina,
who's my Martina. I had to tell her a crazy
story about one time I was going under for a
surgery and the last thing I saw on TV as
I was going under was Martina McBride. She was on

(14:26):
one of the morning talk shows and when I came
out of anstegia, I was screaming at everybody, don't you
mess with my Martina and I told you I told
her that story. That's a pretty funny story.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I had a weirdo show up at my house looking
for Martina and had to call her and be like,
there's a weird too looking for you.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, like lock every door because they were tend of aces.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I had issues with a television show filming my little
girl back in the beginning of my career, and they
were asked not to, and it was actually in the
contract that they would not film the kid, but they
were doing it anyway, and I was losing my mind.
I called John and John was like, I don't have
any kids yet. Called Martina. So I called Martina and
she was just really really calming, very very cool about

(15:07):
the whole situation. Gave me great advice. She's just a
she's asist.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
What do you say to new artists if they're like Retchen,
I'm twenty two and I just signed.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
A record deal, what do I expect?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
What what kind of advice do you give them?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Not to expect anything, because it's never what you expect.
I don't think anybody when they come to Nashville following
their hopes and dreams, really know what they're getting into,
because no one, no no deal is the same. Everybody's
going to have a different kind of experience in it,
especially now. Like I was, I think among one of
the last to have like the real major record deal.

(15:40):
Things really changed after that. Nobody goes to Walmart parking
lots and does in stores and sign CDs anymore. You
know that was still going on, you know, for me
when I was a breaking artist. So it's so different.
I don't know that I would have great advice because
the world and just how you market yourself and how
you present yourself is so different. I probably have to
call my daughter and say, what advice would you give
someone your age? But I mean, honestly, I think just

(16:03):
try to stay true to yourself. But remember that in
every business, regardless of what it is you have to
there are some concessions, there are some things that there's
some give and take. If I could speak to my
younger self, I would tell myself that be a little
less nitpicky and demanding and be a little more open minded,
you know, like my first album, I really there were

(16:24):
three songs that I just did not want on that record,
and I really fought and fought and fought, and of
course the record label won. But now I look back
at those particular songs and I'm so glad that they're
on that record because they show a side of myself
that I wasn't gonna show anybody. And you know, the
producers knew better, and so be open minded. I think
that's the best advice I can give.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
How much did Redneck Woman change your life?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Redneck Woman was it? I mean, it was the whole
People will tell you there are a lot of really
talented people, but it takes the right voice, also the
right song, and the right time. Those things have to
kind of come together for you to have a really
monster hit. And that's what happened with Redneck Woman. And
it was just the perfect time. Women like me weren't
really being spoken to or sung about, and you know,

(17:11):
when I turned on the music channels, all I saw
was beautiful women like Faith Hill rolling around in silk sheets.
You know, I can feel you breathe, and I'm like,
who the hell looks like that? At six o'clock in
the morning, you know, not me or anybody that I know.
So it was just the time. It was time to
write a song for women like me that were happy
to be like me, that thought that their whole world

(17:33):
was fulfilled living in a mobile home and driving a
pickup truck and raising kids and dogs, you know, and
going to the football game on the weekend. Not everybody
wants the same thing in life. And if that's what
your life is, and that's what you're happy with, and
you should be celebrated too.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Did you and John just write that together? Yes, when
you finished writing it, did it feel special? Did it
feel like it had texture?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
It felt special to me because it felt like my home.
You know, it felt like I'd finally truly written a
song that really represented me. But now I think are
honestly our feeling was nobody's going to play this. It's
you know, we were in a moment in country music
where that pendulum was swinging more towards the slicker sound,

(18:14):
and we just thought that we might have missed missed
our window, or that the timing wasn't right, And you know,
girls weren't doing what I was doing at that moment.
So it really that's the reason it worked, but we
were afraid that it could be the reason that it wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Did it work immediately once they committed to it.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
No, the fans loved it. Yes, the fans loved it.
And if it hadn't been for the fans calling the
local radio stations and demanding it, I'm not sure that
it would have gone the way it did. Program directors
didn't really love it that much. I mean, we got
we got phone calls back at the label that I
was hearing about, you know, some of some of them
saying things like, we've been working for twenty years to

(18:55):
get this redneck word out of our listener's mouth, you know,
and it was really kind of up to me to
define redneck. It's like, you know, you guys have just
decided all across this country that it's a bad word
and that it means racist. But that's not what it means.
It's not at all what it means. I mean, being
a redneck has value. It's about where you come from,
and it's really about being out in the field farming

(19:17):
all day and coming back in the house and having
a red neck from being out on a tractor all
day long. That's what it's about. It has nothing to
do with racism, and I became kind of the face
of having to explain that to the world, and even
the radio stations didn't want that word, and so to
present myself as the redneck woman kind of took a
lot of you know what I.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Saw that you're doing the show with Blake Shelton, The
Taylor Sheridan Show.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
You're the tour manager. Yes, that's exciting. Tell us about
that show.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
It's really cool because in this show, I get to
show my face.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
You don't have to wear a really heavy costume.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yes, yeah, this is a really really cool opportunity. I
think a lot of people are thinking that's just going
to be another run of the mill, you know, talent competition,
but it's really very different than any of the ones
that I've seen anyway. This is this one moves across
the country. It's a live audience in kind of a bar,
like a large honky Tonk sort of situation. The audience

(20:12):
that comes in every night is an audience that's coming
to see Keith Urban. So all of these contestants really
are an opening act for you know, an amazingly talented artist.
Who goes out there every single show and just just
nails it. I mean, I'm super huge fan of his
now if I wasn't before, I'm just amazed by how

(20:33):
professional he is. And yeah, my job was really just
to prepare these kids for what it's really like to
be on the road. It's not all the glitz and glamor.
It's a lot of bus life. It's a lot of
parking by dumpsters. It's a lot of making sure that
you don't party too hard, get plenty of sleep, don't
talk all day, you know, take care of yourselves. What
songs are you going to sing? How are you gonna
beat the girl that was just up there before you.

(20:54):
It was that kind of thing. I didn't have to
take care of the buses in the hotels, thank goodness.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I just didn't have a early tour manage, No I did.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I did what a tour manager does on site. Yeah,
but not the logistics.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
No merchant into the night, none of that.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Oh, thank goodness.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
The show is called The Road and it's this fall,
right on fall.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, I don't have an exact date yet, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Are you re recording here for the party?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
I am, Yes, that's what I've heard, so I'm going
to go in and re record the first album entirely,
but I'm going to do it different. I'm gonna I'm
gonna get guest artists on each on each song, and
I've got a few in mind already, but I I'm
kind of keeping my I'm keeping it open right now
because there are a few people that I really think
haven't had the opportunity to be in the spotlight yet

(21:38):
that should be so some of the names, I think
you'll recognize. Some of them you might just should have
recognized already.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
And did performing again on the Masked Singer, because obviously
you're a performer and a singer. But it'll make you
feel comfortable with the committing just to getting on the
road doing a bunch of shows.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Now, well, yeah, I mean that was definitely one of
the one of the things that I had to prove
to myself. If I could do that, then I could
get out there. I'm not going to say that it's
easy to be on the road at my age. It's not.
It's hot.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
You act like you're a hundred is the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You look great, you sound great, You're acting like you're
walking here on a walker.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, well I was, I was ago, Okay, I guess
I don't know. You get that close to it all
and you just maybe I'm just still in that fear mode,
you know that, like every step I take. As you
can see, I'm wearing really short boots now, I'm just like, yeah,
I don't know about the high heels anymore. So yeah,
I mean, I'm I'm definitely I'm not as young as
some of them, you know, so I have to be careful.

(22:34):
But I'm having fun on tour. You know, I've already
done probably ten this year. I've got fifteen or twenty
more on the books, and I'm actually having a lot
of fun a new band together. You young kids in
the band got a lot of energy and they jaff
They make me have a lot of fun on stage.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And a bunch of the shows and a lot of
the places that we're in Indiana, California doing Nashville, Detroit, Lakes, Minnesota, Tulsa, Oklahoma,
Ocean City, Maryland, and so you guys can catch gretching out.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
On the road. Yeah, it's super cool to talk with you.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Thanks for having me. It's cool to be here.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I really appreciate you coming at congratulations on the wind.
I know how much hard work it is actually do that.
It looks like to people it's like, oh good, but
it's hard work.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
No, No, dancing would have been way. That show was
like an absolutely no for me from word go.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Both both their own difficult, but one of the most
difficult parts just being away from home.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, like just living in a hotel.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, well, you know what it's like to wear a
lot of hats, you know. And also I saw you
too at the award show. You were also wearing a
lot of jackets, didn't I see you change jackets.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And there were times where like things were breaking and
they were like, just get out there and fit, and
I'm like, all right, I do it. So yes, yeah,
I was being versative, being versatile and just doing it
is my only talent.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah, you just got to trust in yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Just got to do it. Well, it has been super
fun to talk with you. Congratulations to Pearl. Thank you
is you but not really you.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
I'm going to add a couple of those songs to
the show.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I think, really, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's fine that.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
If I could keep the gloves, I'd wear them, but
they won't. They won't.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm telling you, I would send back fake wins a
look just like that, good idea, and they would never
know the difference. We had the opportunity to buy our
stuff on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
So I think this stuff all goes into a museum
of some sort and then they put it out on
display for a museum. A museum.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Where's that museum?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
DC?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Smithsonian? Right next to the Smithsonian, you guys? Followed Gretchen
on Instagram at Gretchen Wilson twenty seven. Gretchen, thank you
for coming in. Congratulations and hopefully we will see you soon.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Come.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
This is the Also, an Indiana Pacers fan was arrested
after allegedly stabbing two New York Knicks fans after a
fight broke out because they're playing each other in basketball
right now, I mean now. It faces three felony charges,
including all the things you would think. He claimed self defense,
saying he was pushed and punched, but multiple witnesses identified

(24:54):
him as a primary aggressor. The incident happened after the
Pacers defeated the Knicks. If you're the judge, you got
a little lighter on them. If you're a Pacers fan.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, you'd have to, like, I get it, buddy. Yeah.
Was this in Indie? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, making sure Yeah, Carmel, Indiana in a brewery.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
They were under the influence.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Shocking from NPR. Economic uncertainty has led to sluggish home
sales and slow construction in the housing market. Some home
prices are how to reach from any potential buyers. Mortgage
rates are on the rise. Builders are also now facing
challenges due to uncertainty around the rising cost of materials
and the uncertainty around tariffs.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
This fuels This is.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Not advice, but this feels like it's about to be
more of a buyer's market and not a seller's market.
Because any time there are sluggish home sales, that means
homes aren't selling. So they have to do things to
get them to sell. So what do you do to
get them to sell? If interest rates aren't dropping, you
have to lower the prices or have yeah, you know
other elements in the throw in some mudflaps.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, why can't.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
They just lower the interest rates.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's not that easy.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I know it's not.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
But like, and it's not political at all.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I know, I'm not making it political. It's just like,
what I don't know why that has to fluctuate so much.
It's so crazy to me that, like in twenty twenty,
interest rates were like three percent to my house and
now it's like eight.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
What makes it fluctuate? You know the answer to that?
So there is the FED. You familiar with the FED,
the federal government FEDS. If you do it too fast,
or you do it or too even too slow, it
conrect the economy.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
But just don't don't do it.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Can't we just have It's kind of like the I
like gas, it's like a thermostat.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
It's like the economy's thermostat.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm going to give you a very simple, probably bad
description of why interest rates can't just be thrown around
and just always lowered.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Okay, the FED is the federal government. Close. The FED
is the.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Federal ext Exchange close?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
No, any one more shot FED? No, I don't know
the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh that they're just they're called FED for short, not like.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
FED, feder.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Federal.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So why they don't lower them?

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Now?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Inflation is still a concern, and inflation has cooled a
lot since twenty twenty two, whenever it was peaking. There,
prices are still higher than ideal, and so lowering rates
too soon could cause inflation to spike again. And then
you get into the stuff that I just get bored
with and stop. It's not that I don't care, but
I'm like, okay, I'll just have to let somebody smarter

(27:50):
figure it out and tell me the answers. But that
happened in like the seventies, and it was a mess.
It like ruined the economy.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
For a long time.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Switch it to quickly.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, they want to avoid the yoyo effect.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh yeah, so if they cut too early, they have
to well, if they cut too early, they have to
raise them again later. And so that also is uncertainty,
which Wall Street hates any sort of uncertainty. And you
can be like me and be like, well, why do
I care about Wall Street? I don't have a bunch
of stocks. But that does affect everything else, Like if
you're hiring a contractor and he's buying things from a bit, Yeah,

(28:22):
wall Street does affect everything.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I get it. I guess there's more of a think.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
About it like if you were and again I don't
even do this right, but think about it, like you
were stopping antibiotics early. They don't work well, you're like, oh,
I'm good, I'm gonna stop, but then see it.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Through to completion. So they have to see this high
rate through to completion.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
The job market is still strong right now, so that
the job market also affects it. If the job market
wasn't as strong, they would lower interest rates.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
And that means that strong means that that you can
get jobs high rates.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
So what is it eight percent?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think it's somewhere between. I don't know exactly where
it is at this day, but between seven and eight maybe.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
High rates slow down hiring and growth. Does that am
I I just heard? If I'm communicating it properly, I
hate sand Does that make sense? Because, uh, the job
market has stayed resilient for the last three or four years.
If companies are still hiring and consumers are still spending.
The FED which means the the Federal Reserve, they see

(29:28):
no need to cut because everything is still going in
a way that feels healthy. They need a soft landing,
so they don't. If they do cut, the last thing
they want to have as a recession. So they got
to be very differ and it's always like a half
a percent. It's never anything like crazy like they will
never go eight to two, yeah, because then it would
just be a massive rush to buy everything. But you're right,

(29:51):
there was a time and what you already think it
was like three percent?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh, I know it was in twenty twenty. It was
a three percent because about a house that year.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, I say like three years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So and then probably that was was like coming off
of COVID after a very well so.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
COVID had started in March and we bought in like
June or something, so it's right in the middle of
like nobody who.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So I don't know that specifically timeline, but it makes
sense as to why something would be like that around
that time. If they make things too cheap too fast,
people rush to buy everything all at once, and if
people spend more, demand goes way up because there aren't
there just aren't as many of them. And if demand
goes up, prices rise again, so they have to kind

(30:34):
of balance it so there is no extreme change based
on the Like I said, now I'm checking out, you
know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I asked the question, Yeah, but why don't people
why don't they want more?

Speaker 5 (30:48):
People to buy more?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
People are starting to, Yes, but if everybody goes and
buys every house because it's cheap. There are no more
houses then, and then once there are no more houses,
the price of houses.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Go way up, which is what happened.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Since there's no demand and the market just goes, well,
there are no houses, so we can make this house
now one hundred and forty percent of what it was before. Oh,
that is a bad explanation of very confusion.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Rates makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It is the lowest than twenty twenty one. I'm looking
at a graph now. Twenty twenty one was very low.
I don't know what the rate was, three point one
five percent, and right now it is at six point
nine percent.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
The average thirty year fixed.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Rate so someplaces is a little higher.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
When my parents bought their first house, it was fifteen percent.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
What but also you could work a full time job
one and have enough money to go buy a house.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
I'm just saying like it's great, Like we're like, oh
my gosh, six point nine is so high, and my
parents like, man, it was fifteen percent when we bought
our first house.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think it's like giving a child a bunch of
sugar at like nine pm. It's fun for a second,
but then it's just total chaos. And that's what lowering
rates would be. Like got it, Like everybody's like, this
is awesome, let's go buy. But then once everything's bought,
anybody else who wants to buy that didn't buy right
then can only buy something. But it's like double the
price now, so values skyrocket.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well I've been waiting for it to lower so I
can refinance.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
And that is what happened. Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, so that
is a bad explanation but makes sense.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Thank you, not bad because I feel like sometimes you're
our dad and we're just like I.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Never feel that way. I never feel that way like that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Why did you call me daddy in private?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
I never feel that way.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I've heard you call him, Yeah, dare.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Now that I understand my money or I'm trying to
get involved in it because I wasn't my entire marriage,
and so now that I'm taking some agency over my life,
I'm like eager to try to work towards paying down
my mortgage, like I want to like see action. And
then I was advised like, oh I would to don't
add more to because you have an eight percent or

(32:51):
whatever mine seven something percent.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Loan.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
So don't pay towards that, put that money somewhere else,
and then when you can lower, when you can refinance
the lord, then you can start paying off your house
because right now you're just be paying towards interest. And
so now I'm putting money somewhere else, waiting for the
day that I get to, like maybe put a bigger chunk,
which this is how my mom was, and I'm like
sweet cool. Finally, at forty four years old, I started

(33:16):
to like figure out how my mom operated because she
was just very diligent about paying things down, and I
never really understood that about her, but now I'm like, oh,
I get it, so smart because when she passed away,
she made our life really really easy, and then when
my dad passed away, it was really difficult, which was
hilarious because growing up, my dad was the one that
always seemed to have more money than my mom. But

(33:38):
she was just she operated in a smarter more She
wasn't like, yeah, more frugal, more diligent, intentional way, and
my dad was more like living life.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I felt that, yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I don't have a lot of experience with interest because
in my whole life I've never bought anything I couldn't
pay for in full cash anything.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I literally was thinking about that sleep last night.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Anything. Never had a mortgage.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Why was I thinking this?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I was thinking about not legit because I bought the smallest,
tiniest thing I could possibly buy that.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I because I'm scared to have to.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh, I'm scared to oh And so you know now
it's like wow, all of cash. But yeah, but when
I was buying stuff with cash when I first started,
it was like I couldn't afford anything but the smallest.
I remember the first time I bought a house, I
went to our general manager and was like, Hey, look,
I'm about to buy a house. I think the house
was like eighty eight thousand dollars and I'm going to

(34:35):
buy this house, and uh, you're not going to fire me,
are you? What's you supposed to say to that? Looking back,
because if he was.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Said he was like, I feel like it's a pretty
good time. And I'm like, you're not really giving me
an answer. Yeah, but yeah, why are you thinking about that?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I have no idea. I didn't even remember I was
thinking about it till just now. But I I don't know,
maybe because I was listening, Who knows I listened to
my money meditation, So maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Listened to a meditat about money, told you guys, that's meditation.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, it's more subliminal messages like I'm more so here,
I'll play you some I'm more so listening to like
you know, water flowing or bird chirping, and then underneath
there's someone's whispering you are good with yours.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
That sounds like to say by the Bell episode where
Zach Morris wanted to get a ready.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
To fall great, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
There are a couple of things I can bring up
that you guys listen to that I find to be entertaining.
And I didn't know this, but to play your money meditation,
I'll play.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
You So this is what it sounds like when I'm
listening to it, right, that's all you hear, Okay. So
then towards the end, it gives you a peek into
what you've been hearing underneath the sound.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So they are playing stuf underneath the sounds like subliminally.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
This is how you know I'm getting close to the
end because it starts to slow down and then you'll
hear a whisper it's coming. Can you hear it? I'll
have to turn it up. My daughter did this thing
where she like.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
What does it say? You need to tell us what
it says.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Ah, I'll tell you specifically what she says. It says
to listen with headphones. But okay, she's whispering you are
money magnet.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, keep going.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
You were grateful for the ways money finds you. You
manage your money.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, yeah, that's funny that they're subliminally putting that in
and then finally at the end admitting what they've said
to you.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
And what if what if you were to hear it
and you listened for like two hours at the end,
it was like, kill three people, kill three people, And
the whole time it's been saying kill three people, not.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh yeah, you got it. They say to when you're
listening to something subliminally, like right now, I'm just listening
to it through my phone, but you have to have
the headphones in so that you hear it. Says listen
with headphones to receive the benefit of the binural beats.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
The word uh by neural b I N A U
R A L E.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Would you spell out see it?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And then it gives you affirmations you can read through Okay,
let's see.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's an audio stimulation where two slightly different tones are
played into each ear, so it's playing to h creating
an auditory illusion of a third tone.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Perl Jam has an album called that Dude, What the
heck are you into?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Any No, I'm not. I think I had such fear
of money, so who knows if this is.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Really talking about the money.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm just saying, like, you found a thing that's like
playing two different voices in your head that sounds like
a third and it's you're not even hearing it. You're
hearing a water but they're secretly playing. What if you
don't even know what they're secretly saying? And they never
admitted at the end, But it's like subscribe to our program,
but that part never.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Is shared therapy. Cap makes fun of me because she
said that because I pay money for this.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
More for money on our program.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, She's like, you pay monthly for this app that
like gives you. But I can do that's just under
wealth and prosperity. I can do self development, relationships, business
growth and expansion, health and wellness, Like you can pick
a category, but that one's I like to listen to
the money one because I had such a fear of
money for so long, mostly because of my dad, and

(38:39):
I'm trying to unlearn a lot of my subconscious thoughts
about money. So this is one of the ways. And
I listen to it like when I'm going to bed,
like when I'm in a state of sleep, because they
say when you're winding down, your brain goes into more
of a delta mode, and that's when you want subliminals
because it can it's a different wavelength your brain is on.

(39:00):
That's that part of science that I know. This sounds cuckoo.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
But no, not cuckoo. I just about thirty seconds ago
checked out.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Oh yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
But mostly no, mostly you kept us going okay, So
then yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Just letting you know. I don't know. I'm just trying to.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
That particular one is called money magnetism.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
The other thing that somebody listens to is Eddye. He
listens to like hip hop Bible.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
It's a Bible app and you can do different kind
of versions of it, so you can have like traditional like.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
It sounds like an apostle, like do you have it?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, Because because Eddie was listened to the other day
and I was like, what are you listening to?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
And he was like the Bible. And the guy was like, yo,
to check it out. You had Rick Joseph. Not that bad.
It's not that bad.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
But they use normal words, right, like normal words like yeah,
Jesus was bored, so he like hung out the river and.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
He got bored.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
He's just he's it's exampling example example.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Rivers of Babylon. He set and wept as we thought
of Jerusalem. We put away our harps.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
I mean this Old Testament, it's probably not going to
be so let me see.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's what I was listening. I was listening to Old
Testament test with a beat. Yeah we need a little
more possessed was spoken word. Yeah kind of, but like yeah,
I did. I did have one that had a beat. No,
I know that's the one I heard. I don't know
where that was. You know who was right? You know
who was wrong? It wasn't Matthew, Mark, Mark Luke or Dawn.
And I was like, dang, dude, play that.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
It started with like that's what Eddie's listening to. Yeah,
I can't find it right now.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But and then also sublimely, it goes spend more money,
spend more money. I went to acupuncture yesterday because I'm
trying to do anything possible to sleep and sleep better.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I don't sleep well.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
This has been the worst season two years of my
life when it comes to sleep, and sleep is so
important and I've done everything. I have the perfect bed.
I'm trying to my sleep hygiene. That's now a thing.
And so I went to get acupuncture yesterday. And I
also I can sleep in the daytime, it's just nighttime.
And so it's a couple of things. One, I think
it's anxiety because I wake up in the middle of the night,

(41:05):
like because I don't feel I have anxiety in the daytime.
I never felt I had anxiety. I'm like, anxiety, I
don't have that, But I think it manifests itself at
night because I'm so focused, worried, dedicated to what's happening
the next day. But anxiety is like trying to predict
the future, which you can't do.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And so I'm like, I got that.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
And then I kind of have some still PTSD stuff,
some safety stuff from back.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
In the day.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I got jumped at work, I got you know, held
at gunpoint at a work event. If I have a
house broken into, so a lot of that stuff, the
safet stuff still happens where I've got to go.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And then I take pictures.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Now of when I lock the door, so I don't
have to like go back and retrace it, because I
have pictures on my phone every single time I lock
all the doors. So all my pictures in my phone
at night are like nine door locks. And so cause
I used to have to get up if I couldn't
remember me locking every single door, because I would go
back to my head and go remember, remember, remember, Now
I take a picture every single time I lock the door,
so I know, I look my phone, all right, got
nine there, They're all locked.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Don't have to get back up.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So I'm doing all this stuff because it's anxiety meets
kind of PTSD.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
There's a lot of letters.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And so tried accupuncture yesterday, and I've tried acupuncture for
injuries before, but never Eastern medicine for uh, you know,
psychological issues.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And so I go in, we have a little talk.
I lay down.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
She puts a couple of needles in my foot, a
couple of needles in my side. She does like she's like,
pull your shirt up, and I'm like, oh man, I
want to touch my stomach. That's not my that's not
my grossest part.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's like and also have a scar there with scar
tissue and so but I whatever I'm in don't need
to be self conscious.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Uh. So she puts those in me and then she
shuts three in my ear. Let's hurt, no, but but
you feel them going in a couple, but they don't hurt.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
You're like so le little holes. Like when they take
them out, like you don't have.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
A little like it's so temy.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah. So they're long because they don't want to lose them.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Oh that's probably good.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, And they have little things on the end of them.
They forget to take one. It was like a ribbon
on the end, so they know it is.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So she's like, okay, she put like seven in me.
Seven eight, I'm not sure. And then she's like, okay,
I'm just gonna leave you here for like thirty minutes,
and she walked out and then she walked in like
thirty seconds later, and I was like, wait what, I
fell asleep like that.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
You see remember that one time I missed a podcast
because I was at acupuncture. Now you see how easy
that happened, but.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
You already have no problems sleeping during the day.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yes, and I would have had an alarm and I
wouldn't have gone if I had something right afterward. Yeah, okay,
I finished a podcast. We had just finished the podcast
with John Morgan.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Well, good for you.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
You went after I went responsibly, and.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I think you forgot about your podcast. It wasn't that
you overslept it.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I just had no idea I was going to lay
there for two hours, but he said that he thought
my body needed it, and I was.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Like, well, okay, that's not of that person to just
to go. Your body needs two hours, even though we
haven't discussed two hours, because who knows.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
What you have whatever. So I feel like that story
probably isn't super accurate.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It is accurate.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
He just let you sleep for two hours without you saying.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
All I know is like you went to sleep like that.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Well, she walked back in.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I was like, that was it. She was like, you've
been asleep for thirty eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
That's crazy.

Speaker 9 (44:10):
Yeah, so that's great.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I fell asleep in fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
So can she come over and do that to you
right before bed? Maybe that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Your wife would like that.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't know, don't I don't know. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh well, because it sounds like it helped you fall
asleep quickly.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Also went to her office, so but no, yeah, I
fell asleep. I laid there.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
She was like, you can turn on a podcast or
she goes a lot of our people listen to money meditation.
But I was like, no, good, I'm just gonna lay
here for a minute. I needed to like get my
I had.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Some thought working to do anyway about work.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Literally, I remember going, yeah, we do that, and then
she's walked back in the room and I was out.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I don't know if that was it, if I was
just super tired or a mixture boat or what it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Was, but yeah, well that's awesome. Sounds like it did
what it was supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I've had acupuncture before, we get mostly for injury, and
I didn't have the greatest exp with it. It wasn't
a bad experience, but I didn't really feel like it
had helped. But I probably didn't do it as much
as I should have.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I think you have to be consistent.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
So anyway, that was it. Is there anything we can
do for your therapy your.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Trauma absolutely in my life easier. Yeah, Like, well, come in,
greet me with a smile, maybe some breakfast, Okay, a
little shoulder rub, like after each segment, one of you
guys go back to me, a little neck rub.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Individual you could take time, Okay, start with lunchbox, We'll
do that.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
I'm out on that.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
So uh because like I'm doing therapy with my son
or whatever, and the you know, the therapist is like,
let's work on the parents first, because I'm like, no,
but I don't have the problem.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 7 (45:39):
That is the problem, right right, So that was my
first reaction, like well but he's like no, no, no, like
you you have to work on how you treat the
person with trauma because you may be doing the wrong things,
you know, to trigger certain things.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
And I'm like this is amazing.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
And the whole time he's talking, he's talking about my son,
but I'm thinking about Bobby. So I'm like, all right, like,
what can we.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Do that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
That problem? No, because his hit your son, I'm assuming
your adopted son, Yes, had a lot of similar issues
very child that I had as a child, so very.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Similar and you know what they were. They were unfair
and making that joke about it here.

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Yeah, you walk with you, man, So what can we do?
You think tell to me not the back row? Like, yeah,
what else can we do?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Because it's not based on you guys, but we are
your people now. But there's a reason my therapist says, hey, bro,
be late, and I'm like, I'm like no, He's like,
be late because you will realize if you're late a
few times, the whole world doesn't come crashing down. That's
the first step in all of your struggles. You think,
because you've had success regimented, the only way you can

(46:41):
have success is regimented success. And you have built such
a regiment that you think that is the only way
to do it, and you have built an unhealthy regiment
because you must stay to it regardless of how your health.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Is well since you've been advised to do that. How
many times have you been late?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Zero? I've tried.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
I got here.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I got here once only like five minutes early. But
that's late early still. But that was pushing it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I know. But don't you think if you're paying a
professional to give you advice, you should try to try it?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Out and it's resonated with me, and I've thought about
it and I haven't not tried it. One morning, I
was like, you know what, I'm gonna set my alarm
a little later. The problem is, my alarm never wakes
me up. Maybe once every two months do I make
it to my alarm because I wake up forty five
minutes an hour before my alarm like this, Yeah, oh god, Okay,

(47:29):
well I got it today. What's today the time? Okay,
we're gonna be scheduled this, okay, got it's.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
And then I'm up.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So I set my alarm later, even though I never
got to it, as a gesture to myself of I'm
going to in case it happens, give you a little
more lead weight. So yeah, I'm taking small steps toward it.
But yeah, there's nothing you can do because it's built within.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, you don't want us to be later or anything.
We can be late for you, you guys, being late will
make it worse.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yeah, I'll give me anxiety, anger, upsetness.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
But you'll also know that the world's not going to
fall apart if you're late.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I'm fine. I could do the whole show with none
of you here, right, right, but I can do that. Oh,
but you think that if you're late the show will
not go on.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
But you said if we're late and it makes it worse.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, if you're late, I'm like, why are you freaking late?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
You're well, yeah, I don't want to be late.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I'm definitely not gonna be late. There's only been one
person that's been late at all the past two years.
I mean sure, are you sure?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Are you positive? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Okay, Morgan?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Is it you?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
There was one day I got a time wrong, but
I don't think I was late.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Ever, that's correct.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
I know it wouldn't me so.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
So I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
But I don't know Abby.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I know of Ray probably tomorrow now had a boy
definitely not Ray though, definitely not right.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Okay, who do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (48:50):
It is?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
One person?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Do you know this?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Bobby? How do you know?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I've been attached to it and I've been trying to
not attach myself to it.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Who what is it?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I've been attached to it, and I've been trying to
release it and not care about it.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And this has happened in the last two years.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
You've been thinking about this for two years man.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
And you've been trying to release it. We can have
a ceremony. You could release.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
It, because I don't think it's fair to everybody else
when someone else doesn't do and isn't I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, of course not. I mean, but I don't think
anybody here is ever No. I intentionally trying to.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Okay, Mike, I'm gonna write this down, okay, and I
want you to see it. And you're looking at you.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
He's like, correct to mine, I feel like it could be.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Correct. Correct.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Ah, oh, I know what it is?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Is it you?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
No, it's you?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
What I do you?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
It was Amy?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I'm not saying who it is. And I'm just trying
to release it's what time? How do you release it?
If you don't say it?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Wait, you've been holding on to something I did for
nobody said, he's saying it? What did I do?

Speaker 5 (50:08):
It's Amy?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like?

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Amy?

Speaker 1 (50:11):
What did I do?

Speaker 5 (50:12):
You know?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
I don't challenging her to find it.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Yeah, I'm challenging you to find it, Amy, Like I'm.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Not saying it was I'm not even saying it was you.
But if it is, you find it.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Yeah, maybe you need to release it.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Maybe you need to.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Address probably had to release it already because otherwise it
would keep me up at night.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So I'm not even saying it is you, by the way,
but if it was.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Me, I'm telling you I would have to release it
because it would loop in my head over and over.
And I do a lot of brain therapy too, and
I probably was like, hey, there's this one thing I
was late. I need you don't wipe it from my
brain because I would feel horrible about that.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Are you sure it's Amy? Would you bet money it
t is?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
But like, okay, this seventy dollars up here? Would you
bet seventy dollars?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Oh wow, he's confident.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
So was that a bet?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Where was it?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I mean, this is your task. I don't think he
wants to say anymore. Is your I will say this?
It was Amy?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
And you've been.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Holding mike when I said it time? Now you remember?
Oh yeah, yeah, think about it. I remember, Amy. I
remember the three times I've been late, like clear as.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Day, but in the last two years, like I haven't,
I know that there was a time where I was
late ten years ago, real bad, and.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I shouldn't be as fixated on somebody being a little bit.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Late, that this was in the last two years. He
said that, Yeah, I know, you're like I. The one
I can.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Remember was okay, it was in the last year.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Where Amy maybe don't tell her, don't tell her.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Morgan, do you know?

Speaker 5 (51:58):
No, you don't know. How do you guys not know?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Was it in the studio?

Speaker 7 (52:04):
I don't worry about other people's like, okay yet problem,
that's good opp buddy's release.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
There's there is something I'm thinking of.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
But I don't know that this will make you.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
When she got locked in her room, No, no, I
didn't know.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Because if you're late, you have a flat tire. If
you're late in your yeah account, like life is okay.
If life happens, it's absolutely okay.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
That's the only one I could think.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
About with me getting locked in my bedroom. That was
life happening, tire.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
So, Bobby, are you ready to let it go or no?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I've mostly let it go.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, I would like to talk through it so we
can let it go.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
You're gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You're gonna have to remember, though, because I don't want
to bring it and present it.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Why because it's not worth it.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Do you know, do you want me to.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Present it wouldn't give me a hint. If I knew,
I would say, honestly, guys, this is one of those
things that maybe I had to be like.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
And I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Maybe I like this too, shall pass? Like I certainly
you know what?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I released it? Hold on, release sick it? I can't
really it could America Americans?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Okay, what what can you tell me this? What was
my reason?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Or was it?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Like I didn't have a good one. I love that
it wasn't a good reason because I know exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Everything behind it, and it was not a good reason.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
Yeah, I'd say it wasn't a good reason either.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Release. Ay, you can do this?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
No, I can't.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
No.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
I'm like, I'll never forget the time me and Lunchbox
thought about bailing his car on the bridge because we're
gonna be late.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Like you gotta remember.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
That one time I got a flat tyrant and called
you Eddie and I'm like, have you hit the highway yet?
And You're like no, I said, pull over, pick me up.
I got a flat tire and I just left. I
abandoned my car on the side of the road so
that I wasn't going to be late.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
Literally, me and Eddie We're going to run to the
convention center. It was like a C C M A
faster or whatever.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
And I was like, did we just got to leave
the car? There's too much trying the bridge.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I'm getting nauseous. So can you just tell me, like,
just tell me it's making it? No, it's not, okay,
you literally said not.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
In any way.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I've just been attached to it a bit, but I
haven't been like holding it. It's not in my guts
and I'm not. I'm not upset about it. I if no, No,
if anything, I'm trying to allow myself to grow beyond it,
which is kind of why it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
So was I just like later or did I give
you a heads up?

Speaker 5 (54:37):
You were just late? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Heads up?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Man weird.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
He knows for sure how he's talking about it.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
He knows was in an event.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
We shall say nothing nothing more.

Speaker 8 (54:52):
Nomber he's not there, heard start talking about it.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
He was out, Okay, gosh, just say this is we
do have to go though, this is amazing.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
We have to go where I have to go from this.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Oh, you don't want to be late.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I don't want to be late.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Okay, well, now now I need a book acupuncture because
now I have the anxiety years ago.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Good myself releasing it because it doesn't matter. Let me
let me work through my own problems.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Okay, can y'all just say what it is? Please?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Hey Eddie, let me tell you what it is. Okay,
Maybe maybe my memory will come yeah, oh I remember this?

Speaker 4 (55:33):
What? Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I remember this?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Where was this?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Maybe it's weird? And do you remember going? Like what
the Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Yeah, I ain't scuba remembers.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
But I feel like she's gonna have an excuse.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I know for a fact. Excuse does not work. Okay,
if there is an excuse, but it doesn't matter to
me because a maybe tomorrow think about it.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay, so you don't mean to sleep tonight.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Cool, you get a bonus if you think it. If
you're remember it tomorrow, you're going to sleep tonight. All right,
thank you? Everybody. We do have to go. Uh do
you have an episode of your podcast up today?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
What is today? Yes?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Thursday?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yes, we have a couch Talks. A listener wrote in
because a male supervisor said she probably shouldn't do part
of her job because she's a woman, or he didn't
want her to be assigned to because he is a
woman and she didn't know how to talk with him.
So Kat, my therapist co host, she gave her some
advice on how to have a confrontation with him.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
A carefrontation. That's what we're having, a confrontation because that.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Doesn't feel like it feels like more of like a subtle.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Literally no no, no, no conversation at all. It literally does
not bother I'm attached to it, but.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It doesn't bother me on.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Something for release.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
All right, we have to go. We will see you
guys tomorrow. By everybody,