November 5, 2025 • 44 mins
Country artist Tyler Hubbard joins Brooke Taylor and Pastor Mark Evans on The Upload to share how faith carried him through seasons of loss, change, and renewal. From losing his father in a tragic accident to rebuilding life and purpose after Florida Georgia Line, Tyler opens up about the moments that tested his trust in God—and the peace that came when he finally surrendered control. He also reflects on how fatherhood has deepened his understanding of grace, how he now views idols and success through a biblical lens, and the scriptures that continue to anchor his journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, I'm Burck Taylor. I'm a radio host and a
mom and just someone who's trying to live out her
faith every single day.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Mark Evans, I'm a pasta, I'm a dad
and Brooke and I We have conversations with people who
live their life in the spotlight. How do you steward
your faith when you're on a pedestal? What does it
look like to stay ground it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Faith fueled Conversations for life. This is the upload.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I'm Tyler Hubbard. Everybody raise a cold beers and let's
sing a worship song.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I was just like, WHOA, Like this is Jesus.
What would he do today if he were me?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Country music artist and a songwriter, dad and a husband
living in this culture. It felt like the world kind
of fell apart overnight. It happened in my backyard. It
was a helicopter crash and it was super graphic and
I was just shook. And this is the upload.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tyler Hubbard is on the upload.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. Excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm excited to chat with you. We on this podcast
really just like to have like faith fueled conversations and
not necessarily talk about the accolades and things that are
happening in our lives, but just talk about our faith.
And I just want to start with knowing what if
a fan came up to you in a meet and
greet and they're like, you know, what is what does
faith mean to you? What would you tell them?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I would say that's a fairly loaded question.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
But ultimately, to simplify it, I mean, I think it's
just believing in something that you don't always see, you
know what I mean, or maybe can't always touch. But ultimately,
for me, it's it's more relational based, you know, it's
a more uh, it's it's just about relationship, you know
what I mean, and relationship with Jesus and and uh,
for me, that's what's grown my faith.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know, you do see him, you do hear him.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know at times you can almost touch him where
it feels like, you know, through through life experiences and
through you know, different scenarios and prayer and all the things,
there's just uh, He's everywhere. So it's it's Uh, I've
grown a lot in my faith over the last definitely
the last five years or so. But yeah, faith has
always been a part of my life.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I was really fortunate to have parents that pursued Jesus
and taught me ways and you know, showed me his love,
and you know, grew up kind of reading the Bible
with my parents and going to church and doing those things.
So I had a really strong foundation that kind of
of faith. You know, that really kind of set the
stage for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Ultimately, when you say that within the last five years
your faith has grown so much, what was that turning
point for you where you're like, this is just different now.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Multiple things.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I would say, having children and getting to experience that
kind of love when you understand that that's how God
loves us. I mean, it's just, you know, it really
gives you a new perspective. My wife and I have
been on a journey lately, I would say, where she's
just passionately pursuing her faith and pursuing Jesus, and it's
been really cool to sort of watch her journey but
alongside her, just be there with her and support her,
(02:45):
which has helped me grow in my faith. Even done
with the practical things, like I made a goal this year.
I wanted to read the whole Bible. And I've never
read the whole Bible, and like I said, I grew
up in church and I'm not much of a reader
at all, to be honest, So it's always intimidated me
a lot. But at the end of the year last year,
it showed up in my clause at the one Year Bible,
and I said, I'm gonna try this for a couple
(03:06):
of days, even before the year starts, just to see,
I'm gonna ask the waters to see how about this
would be. But I did it, and I really liked it.
And so yeah, January one, I just decided, all right,
this year, I'm gona read through the whole Bible. And
so ultimately, like even just sitting down twenty minutes in
the morning with my coffee and just reading through the
you know, the way it's divided up day to day,
it just gives you probably twenty minutes of being in
(03:27):
the Word. And some of it's really just off the
wall stuff that you're like, this is, you know, I'm
just reading words.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I don't even know what this is talking about. Yeah,
some of.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's really really good fuel, you know. And but through
the process, I've just really like got to know Jesus more,
you know what I mean, and got to know his
ways and ultimately kind of been able to carry those
those readings throughout my day.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it's been, uh, it's been pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I feel like reading the Bible, you're like going through
genealogy and you're reading like six hundred names and you're like,
all right, who's this first.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Year theology part? I'm like, Okay, I need another cup
of coffee.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But when you're reading through the Bible, have there been
any moments that have like stepped like stood out to
you because I feel like you memorized scripture or like
you know, certain verses or stories, but then when you
actually read and like all of the context, I feel
like sometimes those stories just change a little bit for everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, totally, there's a lot of there's a lot of
common Like I feel like throughout the Bible there's a
common theme and and you know, it depends on what
there's several things for sure, But the one that's really
been sticking out to me lately especially is how serious
God was about having no other idols, you know, having
you know, worshiping Him alone.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And uh, you know in our world.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I'm like, well, I'm reading this from two thousand years
ago where they built, you know, statues and worshiped, uh,
you know, and prayed to certain man made statues and
those things. And I'm like, well, what's what's my idols today?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And I think for me, it's it's a lot of
what we all face, you know. It's it's you know,
even my material things. It's my comparison, it's the you know,
it's this and that, and I'm just you know, it's
just been a good reminder to not that any of
those things are bad, I think, but I think just
having the perspective of like what am I worshiping?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What am I devote my time to my energy? Is
it YouTube? Or is it Jesus?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So sometimes it's really kind of like a wake up
call to be like, all right, you know, as simple
as it is, is my phone my idol? Or is
you know, am I worshiping my phone? Or am I
worshiping even my children more than Jesus?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And so yeah, it's been it's been a learning process.
But ultimately I've just been praying for just ultimately to
even get through the Bible. I'm just going to be
proud when I get finished with it. But ultimately that
he would show me, you know, what he wants me
to learn through it. And I think right now that's
kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I love that man so much.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The Word of God, it says, is a double edged
swords sharper than that, and it divides between solemn spirit.
It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart and
the whole idea of idols and anything that you place
in importance above God, like in front of God. The
application when you're reading idols, you're thinking, man, I am anytues.
(06:00):
I don't, dude, I'm not. I don't have I don't
walk up. Yeah, but exactly. But the application of like
shifting an ash or a pole or an idol that's
written as you're reading to like applying the word of God,
I think is so so important.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And I think that is a lot of the discanct.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
When people read, they get stuck in the genealogies, they
get stuck on the knowledge versus applying. Like if it
is a double edged sword, it divides it. It is
useful to me a lamp unto my feet, you know,
so that I'm not just stumbling through life, you know, wondering,
kind of tripping over everything and kind of like getting blindsided,
but with the word of God as a lamp, like
(06:41):
idols is one thing that you really feel like, Man,
God's shone a light on this applies to me today.
What are the other things that you feel like, just
specific even to the music industry, you feel like some
of the applications as you've been reading, like this has
been a real like lamp moment that's helped me, Like,
not just like I think life beats you up totally.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I'd say for me, it's been really interesting because I
feel like there's been a lot of I've been praying
for direction and discernment a lot because there's just been
a lot of I don't want to say doors closed,
but ultimately I've been praying for God to open the
doors that he wants me to run through and close
the ones he doesn't want me to, you know, and
sometimes that's hard. I think the whole through the FGL
(07:23):
breakup and through that whole twenty twenty saga of such
a polarizing time and so divisive and so confused, you know,
and myself included and hurt and you know, just kind
of a time of unknown I think really helped me
lean into that a little bit more and just say
all right, yeah, like what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like what do you want from me? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Please hurry up and show me, because where I'm at
right now is not much fun, you know. And but
even the very practical stuff like making sure my you know,
my team is the right team that God wants around
me at the time to take my career and and
everything I'm doing to the next level and to glorify
Him at the same time, you know. And uh, and
right now I'm doing I'm doing some some mixing up,
(08:05):
some mixing up some things in my business and in
my career. And so yeah, there's a little bit of
like there's a lot of fear in that of letting
go of some things that you're comfortable with, you know,
some people that you're comfortable with, and say, man, this
has been great, But I think God's calling me to
really like explore who else is out there and who
else can come alongside me and my journey, which is
ultimately hopefully His journey for me, you know. And that's
(08:27):
really been my prayer because I've walked I've walked the path,
and I've taken an exit off a time or two
to see like, well, maybe this this is where they
tell me I need to go, or this is where
I'm feeling kind of pulled to maybe this is the
Holy Spirit, and then maybe it's not, you know, And
so there has been times where I where I've kind
of took an exit off course a little bit, and
I think for me, I just now I just really
(08:47):
pray that I know the fulfillment enjoy is being on
course and doing what He's kind of set out for me,
and so I just kind of pray that that that
can be clear, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Scold me.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I think there's so much growth and uncomfortability, and
it's such a hard place to be in, especially like
you said, the FGL situation where you're like, this is
all I've known my whole life and then all of
a sudden, bam, doors closed, and you're like, hello, can
you give me a little something?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
No, I mean we were we were all kind of
faced with that, you know. I mean my situation was
within a band, and you know, going from playing four
shows a week for ten years to not plan any
shows and you know, not knowing what the future holds.
But we all face that during that time, and I
think probably in life in general, we've all kind of
hit that dead end road.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We're like, well, what's next? What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
What's what's what's God kind of teeing up, you know,
and when you don't see it right away, it can
be it can be a bit challenging for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And what a beautiful thing too to be able to
kind of navigate and answer questions that are just not
for a group of people but just for you and
your family and what's the best for you. I think
that's such a huge blessing in disguise at least maybe
that you don't feel at first, But I feel like
being in such a big spotlight, it all always kind
(10:00):
of like your your vision's a little blinded sometimes where
you're like, man, I feel like you just you need
to lean into something else, like Jesus is that lamp
into our feet, like you were just saying. And I
feel like in you know, mainstream country music or just
just the music industry in general, I feel like living
out your faith publicly is such a hard thing to do.
(10:20):
For some people. Do you feel like there's tension in
the industry at all in that way where you feel
like living out your faith on a you know, public
level is harder to do than not.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think there's probably aspects of it that are difficult,
you know, and you might you're going to face the backlash,
or you might you might become you know, labeled as
a certain thing, or you know, persecution in some capacity
if you will. But I think ultimately, I've always felt
really comfortable with my faith, you know. I think it's
it's a big piece of who I am, and if
(10:51):
I want to be authentic and genuine, which I do,
then I would be selling everyone short to dismiss that
part of who I am, you know. And I think
I think in our genre specifically, it's kind of embedded
in our morals and values and country music and I
just feel like it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Kind of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So there is that lane, you know what I mean
that you can feel comfortably in without feeling like you're
really having to go against the grain. And obviously there,
you know, there's a little bit of challenge there. But
I think for me, I've always felt really just comfortable
and able to be myself. But I will say to
your point, when you're in a band, it's not individualized
(11:29):
as much. You know, you kind of become an image
or a brand that you may have labeled yourself at
one point, or the Internet may have labeled you as,
or just the fan base may have labeled you as.
And instead of saying I want to get to know
Tyler Hubbard and Brian Kelly, they might just say, yeah,
I know Florida, George Line. I know those guys. This
is what they are and who and what they do.
And maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, maybe it's false
(11:51):
or true, But at the same time, you can pretty
casually just throw off it. I don't need to go
super deep with my fan base or you know, they
know me and BK, and I don't want to overshadow
BK or doesn't want to, you know, get super personal
with the fans because we're a group. You know, we're
a pair, you know, we're together, and so so yeah,
kind of stepping into this solo thing is really not
only allowed me to evaluate who I am, you know,
(12:13):
and what I want to leave, what kind of legacy
I want to leave as a person.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Instead of a band.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's really allowed the audience to step in and get
to know me, like on a deeper level, and for
me to be more genuine and be more authentic and
really like showcase who I am and lean into who
I am and hopefully connect and a vulnerable and a
cool way with the audience that they don't they didn't
get before.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What do you think is that legacy that you want
to leave behind?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I mean from a thirty thousand foot view, I want
to be a guy that was that loved Jesus, you know,
that love music, that love life, was passionate about my
wife and my children. You know, I want to have
the story that's a little bit untraditional for the guy
that you know, at one point was in the spotlight
or you know, playing stadiums. You know, I want to
have something to come home to that's bigger and better
(13:00):
than music, and you know, leave something that can really
make an impact for the better for people individually and
as a community.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And forging a identity as Tyler as an individual, you know,
touching on that you talked about the band factor, but
then really forging an identity as an individual, like in
this you seem really a piece like just from a
spirit perspective, you feel settled. You feel poise is the word,
like there's a there's a really unique and special poise
(13:31):
about your spirit in this journey twenty twenty to twenty
twenty five the whole like things you've walked through wrestled
with for that poise. Has it always been like that?
Have you always just been you know, you said a
man out of chill morning, I'm like in a good spot,
like I'm reading the Bible in a year, like I.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Just feel there's a balance.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What's been the process to just even just find that
poise in yourself?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Has there been a wrestle with that? Has it been easy?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
What's de pens on the day? You know what I mean,
some days I feel I love that word. I'll take
that any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Poised. I'll tell you this, But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Would say, you know, from day to day, I mean
some days it's a real battle.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You know, some days I want things to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Now, and it's just not it's just God saying be patient,
be patient, be patient. And that's also been a word
that's just like you know, okay, I am like how
long you know? And you know, whether it was the beginning.
I mean, I've just it's been nice to go through
some some hard times, you know what I mean, whether
it was I know it sounds silly, but I ruptured
my achilles and broke my ankle and was down and
(14:35):
out at the end of September, which was basically the
middle of the pandemic in twenty twenty. September twenty twenty,
just had our third baby, or when this happened, we
were three weeks away from having our third baby, so
we would have had we had three kids under three
years old.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I BK kind of dropped the bomb on me that
he wanted to be a solo artist in the midst
of all the unknown already. So it was it was
a super tough season for me. You know, it happened
like it all It felt like the world kind of
I fell apart overnight for me, and so uh, I
think being forced, if you will, to lean on Jesus
more and just say, man, I don't I am so
(15:08):
lost right now, Like I don't know up from down.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know what I thought you were. I thought
I was in my calling? Am I in my calling? Like?
What what are you doing? You know, and what are
you trying to teach me?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And so, And honestly, it wasn't like a smooth path
even after that got you know, after the I guess
the fog kind of settled a little bit, but it
was a constant like, Okay, he's got me. I can
feel it. I can feel it. It was a little
reminder here and there, little reminder all right. As I
lean into him, he just really I mean, I know
it sounds a bit cliche, but man, he gives you rest,
he gives you peace, he gives you refuge, and sometimes
(15:38):
when you have nowhere else to go, it's like, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I'm going to lean in. And when you feel that,
and you know, it's really you're just like, all right,
this is where I want to This is where I
want to live. I want to live in this peace.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And when I feel a little off helter or off balance,
I always know where to go.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I think that's like a key, like I don't always
go there for sure, and I definitely want to try out,
you know, let me I think today.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Will go better like this. And then it's like let me, man,
let me.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Go back to what's that lyric and that Thomas Right
something that's like you make plans and you see God laughing. Yeah,
It's like, yeah, I get ready for this.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, I can relate, dude.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I love that the Bible says make every effort to
ender my rest. And that's why I ask the question,
is like it seems like contrary thoughts, make every effort
to enter my rest, and it's like there's an intentionality,
but there's also a wrestle. Like you know, I just
think of as you were sharing that journey and the
September Achilles ankle, the stuff going on personally, like Jacob
(16:35):
wrestles with God. There was a shift in him that
happens in that moment all night, like in the midnight hour,
it's dark.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He's like fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But what started out as like in my own strength
like let me like kind of like man, I'm going
to give this all my got turns into like a limp,
a clinging, like it's more of a I'm going to
fight like And I just have been thinking through this
process of like God picked a fight with Jacob in
our lives. God, out of love and kindness, picks a
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fight where we've got an opportunity. You know, there's some
of the tension things and you said it's been a
gift or what however, you said, it's been a good
thing for me to go through this. And you can
see that, you can feel that in you. You know,
I've just met you today, But like there's like a
poise there it is again, but there is and I
think that comes through a wrestle. And I'm hearing that
(17:27):
in what you're saying. And so if anyone listening, it's like,
if you're in the middle of a wrestle, if they're
in your September twenty twenty, what would you have wanted
to hear in the midnight?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You don't know, there's no light at the end of
the time you're wrestling. You didn't know who you're wrestling,
what am I fighting? Which way's up?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like you said, what would you say feeling like, what's
the formula for poise?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
If there is one man?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
There's a lot of power and gratitude, you know what
I mean? Yeah, And I feel like I keep seeing
that come up where it's like it's easy for me
to look at what's not working right or what I
need to fix or what I need to do better
or you know, kind of talk to myself that way.
But when there's always something to be grateful for, and
I forget the exact you know, quote or the exact thing,
(18:09):
but essentially there can't be a lot of things can't
live within gratitude. Anger and certain emotions can't live within gratitude.
So if you can just channel gratitude, look around and say, man,
even if it's just to be alive today, like man,
I'm grateful, you know. And so there's a lot of
power in that. And there's a lot of verses in
the Bible that can back that up. But I've just
(18:29):
lean tried to lean into that, you know, and God
has been so good to me, and even on the
worst days, like I can look around and say, all right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So grateful, so.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Even for the hard days, and so that's gotten me
a long ways. And yeah, I definitely was kind of
leaning into that during those seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I was just thinking about you know, as human beings,
we all go through so many things, and I feel
like being in the spotlight, a lot of people say like, oh,
he's this big country artist or he's you know, whoever,
and he's just got it all together. Everything online looks amazing,
his family's great, his marriage looks amazed. You know, all
the things are happening, but you talking about you know,
like you said September of twenty twenty, and just like
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one thing after another, you're like, I'm getting hurt, which
you know that stinks because of what you do for
a living, but also just on a human level, you're
about to be another dad, Like you're welcoming new life
in and then getting this news that you're no longer
going to be a group. All these things come crashing
down on you. What are some of those tangible ways
that you did seek Jesus in those moments? Do you
(19:26):
remember any of those moments and how they felt?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean desperate, you know, I would say at times,
you're just desperate. You're just like all right, like I
want to feel the peace, I want to feel the joy,
and I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So just sort of desperation. You know.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I think there's a time where God, let's us get
to that point. Maybe there's no other way that we'll
lean on him, you know, And so I feel like,
you know, that was a season. I don't know why
I keep going back in my mind to even when
I was twenty and lost my dad, I had a
moment where it was it was I was at home,
it was very it happened in my backyard. It was
a helicopter crash and it was super graphic, and I
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was just shook and I'm just like I remember instantly,
almost like as I was walking away from that, like
just standing there and talking to God and being like
all right, like I know how this story plays out,
Like I can get mad at you right now and
I can go down this road, or I can lean
on you and trust you, and this is I feel
like that was the moment where I've been almost training
(20:20):
for my whole childhood, you know what I mean, how
strong is your faith?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Are you gonna?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Because this didn't seem fair.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You know, Dad was forty three, I was twenty, and
it just felt like, man, we were just getting to
like a cool spot in our relationship, and so to
watch him pass away in front of me, you know,
in an instant, like very unexpected, I was just like,
all right, I gotta make a choice. And sometimes you
just got to make a choice. And I think it's
uh for me, Like the second I made that choice,
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like I felt the embrace and I felt the peace,
and I was like, that makes no sense. I went
back to school a few weeks later because I was
in college at Pira Belmont and a lot of my friends,
did you know, it kind of shook my whole my
whole circle pretty good. But I had this unexplainable peace
that the word talks about and I had prayed for
and I had it, and I was just like WHOA, Like,
this is Jesus, this is all I mean, this is
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incredible and things you know a lot of times just
made sense when it was pretty quol I mean, it
was pretty raw steel, and really, you know, there could
have been a lot of resentment and anger, and there was.
There was definitely days where I was able to have
that and.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Let that out.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But at the same time, like I chose to trust God,
you know what I mean, and chose in that moment,
all right, I want to be I don't want this
to end to end badly, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So the paradox hearing that of watching my dad die
in front of me and having joy and peace, I
feel like that's something that even listening sounds not real, Like,
you know, for people that don't know God personally. You know,
you talk about a relationship. I think it just sounds crazy,
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bro like, but but the truth is if you read
when you're the Bible and you experience these things personally,
all the paradoxes of the of the Bible, the upside down,
kingdom of the first shall be last, you know, the
a crown of thorns, even like a king born in
a manger. There's so many paradoxes. Beautiful, Like James says,
consider it pure joy when you face trials on many kinds,
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because do you know what it's doing in you? And
I'm hearing scripture like come out of your your story
in mouth so beautifully, and I just think, like, you
can't underestimate the personal testimony of that piece, like people
have a choice, Like it's confronting honestly, It's like, man,
is this guy making it up? Or is this real?
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And I think that's so cool to hear a testimony
like that. I'm like, yeah, it creates a confrontation in
me of like, man, I want that experience. I'm gone
through hard stuff. I want that peace. I want that joy.
And I think, yeah, the paradox, let me throw another
one at you, Holy ambition, this idea of ambition not
being selfish, like not just pushing things for myself, but
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like living to serve others. You know, what is that
in a music industry which is a lot about my name,
my stage, my you know, my gift, which you have
a phenomenal gift, but like, how do you balance the
holy ambition paradox?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
No, that's great question, and I wrestled with that. I
wrestled with it for quite a while with n FGL.
I'll go back to that. Let me just say this,
this quote that keeps coming to mind that I think
my friend Judah Smith says. He says or somewhere I
read this where and I go to this lot. I mean,
we've all heard like what would Jesus do?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And that's a great mindset to have, but but we
don't think about what Jesus would do as much.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I like to phrase, what would Jesus do if he
were me living right now? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And if you study Jesus's life, there's examples where you'd
be like, Okay, what would he do today if he
were me? If he were a country music artist living
in Nashville, Tennessee and a songwriter and a dad and
a husband and living in this culture.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And that's an interesting thought.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
We could have a whole podcast on that, but I
think that's kind of like, that's kind of part of it.
You know What I mean for me is how would
he approach his conversations? How would he approach his day
to day walk? Would he hurry through his day or
would he? Or would he take his time?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know what I mean? Would he?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And I'm having like a wash of thoughts right now,
but I feel like but leaning into that and then
forget I forget the second part. But yeah, so also
knowing like I don't know how this really answers the question,
but I just remembered a season where I felt like
music was my calling. I felt like, all right, God,
this is a gift that I've been given, He's going
to use me in this way. And in my mind,
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I thought, well, this is going to be in church,
because actually that's where I started falling in love with
Jesus and falling in love with music, was a.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Leading worship and singing worship songs.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
And that was kind of like what I how I
grew up learning to play guitar and you know, write
songs and obviously love country music as well, but for
me personally, it was leading worshiping.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So I thought, well, this is what I'll do.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And you know, fast forward six years later, I'm you know,
booking myself at all these dirty clubs in the Southeast.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And MENBK Are going every weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And playing, playing all the clubs and doing all the
stuff and kind of in a dark space, like a
dark world, and You're just like, man, I don't I
think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, but
this doesn't feel like I envisioned it, you know what
I mean. But still kind of having that ambition to
like use my gift to serve God and to point
to Him, but not seeing it at the moment right
And then it hit me. It was probably five years later,
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where we're all of a sudden a big act and
we're playing these big amphitheaters, and all of a sudden
it kind of hits me that God this whole time
had been teeing me up to be in front of
a different audience than First Baptist Church Logan Bille you
know what I'm saying, and putting me in front of
people that needed to hear his word, but not through
the lenses or perspective of a church.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know, maybe it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Was was horible, like Jesus, Yeah, exactly, just exactly everybody,
everybody raise your cold beers.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In this single worship song, you know, I mean it
was some of those moments.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And I think now it's been fun to see a
lot of guys, especially in our genre, and leaning into
that and using their you know, using their gift to
glorify God outside of the space that maybe the traditional
mindset would think that you're going to be used.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You know, that's the lamp stand, bro, Like that is
literally the destination for the calling. And I love to
hear that, like God has put you and called all
of us to be a light on a lamp stand
to give light to the whole room. And often we
think the room is the four walls, right, But the
church and the calling is to go into the world.
And so you know, I think there's a lot of
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like the church wants to make people feel like, oh,
like you know, the feeling of like that this space
and am I supposed to be here?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And I just want to like, I love that it's
not so much like that anymore, and I think it
needs we just need to keep pushing into that because
really God has called us to not yeah like, let's
have our kumbais, let's get filled up, but then we're
called to the lamps end, bro Like, that's that is
well done, good and faithful servant. Totally, that is how
we rando those words, and it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
So I had to get over the fact that I
had to get over the shame because I grew up
in a church culture that was all based on fear
and shame, and so I couldn't walk around with my
shirt untucked without somebody saying you need to take your
shirt in, and you're just like for who, for Jesus
or for you, you.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And like a lot of these things, even just like
the image of being in bars would be like, oh,
you know, that's worth you know, And so I had
to get over that took a while.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But I think a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Came from an upbringing and super you know, super conservative
and super rule based and super I mean, it was
less about relationship and more about dos and don'ts, you know,
and so I got to learn that for myself as
I I mean, I moved to Nashville when I was eighteen,
so I'm still figuring out who I am, you know,
at that age, and figuring out what my relationship really
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does look like, where's my convictions instead of my church's convictions,
you know? And so that was also an important part
of my process and finding that like, okay, like God
actually works outside of the Baptist box that I grew
up in.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
This is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, and I think so many people listening or watching
this can relate to the you know, the to do
list or the boxes to check or like you said,
that shame and that guilt that you feel sometimes and
like you said, developing your own relationship and how that
kind of changes your relationship with God and your relationship
with church and literally everything take us through. So if
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somebody's listening to this and they're like, okay, me too,
that's how I felt. What are some of those ways
where you kind of steered your own journey or where
you your faith shifted a little bit, or your relationship
with God shifted a little bit and you found that yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's different for everyone,
and I think that's the key. You know, I had
to feel my personal convictions, you know, I had to
understand what's right and what's wrong for me instead of
what's right and wrong for my parents or for my church,
you know, and what's right What does Jesus say about this?
Does you know, how would Jesus approach this?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
And I think that took a little maturity and little growth.
And there were times where I was certainly exploring things
where I knew, like, this isn't exactly what Jesus asked
for me, for sure, Like you know, we partied, we
you know, at one point I was way off track, probably,
But at the same time, like I said before, like
I always knew he was there, and I always knew
where to come back to, you know, ultimately, and I
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always felt protected. And looking back in hindsight, he really
had he really had his protection around me even in
those times, and he was there. I was learning and
growing even in times it didn't look like you know,
your typical church visual would look. And so I feel
like it's about the personal conviction, and for me, like
those convictions got pretty pretty loose for a while, for sure,
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I'm just like figuring out, figuring things out. But the
closer that I got to God and even through my journey,
you know, it is a journey.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Some day it's like any relationship.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Some weeks you're like, ma'am, me and my wife were
locked in, like we're feeling good. I can almost read
her mind. And in some months or weeks you're just like, wow,
we need like we need a date night.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Bad, you know what I mean, Like where are you? So?
I feel like it's like that with Jesus too.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Some days and weeks you're just locked in maybe months
or years, and then some months or years you might
really feel like we need a date night. You know,
we need to get I need to make some time
to hang out with you. And so the closer that
I get to him and the more I lean in,
the more I study Jesus as a person and how
he handled life, the more my convictions also evolve and
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change and shift, you know, and something that maybe maybe
didn't even speak to me at all two years ago,
I'm like, man, this is actually really kind of bothering me,
Like I should address this and figure out where my
morals and values stand. Like this year, you know, what
I mean with this topic go and so right or wrong?
I feel like this kind of in a journey for me, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Good the stumbles. Like we talked about the trials, you know,
and everything they produce and like have enjoyed through. But
as another verse says, God will permit the righteous to stumble,
but he won't let him fall.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You talked about always feeling protected. He talks about.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Man, I add some moments, you know, where I felt
like I'm not in the I'm stumbling, right, But I
think the enemy's plan is to make you feel shame,
you know. To says he's the accuser. You know, that's
one of his name is he wants to make you
feel disconnected, not good enough. That God says he'll permit
the righteous to stumble, he won't let them fall. And
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I think that's beautiful, shame chain breaker kind of language,
and just seeing that in your journey, it's like, well,
if the trials are producing a maturity, completion, lacking nothing, man,
surely the stumbles when I feel not good enough, when
I feel Paul says, I'll boast in my weakness because
in that when I am feeling when the enemy is
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trying to say, man, you're this You're a bad dude.
God's saying, like, man, my power is made perfect in
this moment, in under grace. In this the closeness of
grace and the relationship of the father's arms. At the
end of the road, as the son comes home, I
was like the tightest hug and it's like you just
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you know, you wake up and the son who stayed home,
you know, gets a hug every day. But man, I
tell you this something special about the hug at the
end of a long road that God not only is like,
oh well, at least you came back, you know, it's
like he permits. And I think about as in this
is an interesting father question when any of my kids
mess up and learn a lesson, my father's heart is like,
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I'm so like more love, but like I'm so grateful
that that stumble happened because of what I'm so proud
of my son. You know, I'm so I feel close
to him. I just embrace him and I'm like you
he's like, feels bad. I'm like, dude, I just I
love you. Like this is how this is path of
the course. This is what it looks like to live
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under grace. So what is that, how has that been
speaking to that a little bit? And maybe even just
encourage people, like I feel like you've got so much
depth in you to just like encourage people in that
space of like your experience with living under Grace you're
experiencing with the stumbles someone's feeling, like the guilt, the shame,
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the accusations.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
What's your encouragement?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I mean to put it simply, I would just say,
there's always a place to go, you know. I mean
I think when I feel my when I'm having my
worst days or feeling super down or not myself, like,
I'm so grateful that I have that reminder of like, Okay,
I know where to go for this.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, I know where to I.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Know who to talk to, and I got a lot
of great friends, a lot of great therapists and all that.
But ultimately, when I talk to Jesus and lean into him,
it always helps, man, it really does. You can really
genuinely feel what he talks about and the peace and
the joy, and and it's not always easy, and it's
not always immediate. And sometimes I fight my own you know,
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my own thoughts and my own uh, just the world
that we live in.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You know, it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So I don't want to take away from that, but
I would say anytime I'm going through a hard time
or for anyone who is, like, that's the that's the truth. Man,
Like there's a lot of freedom and knowing where to
go home to.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, I feel like we always love to hear just
tangibly like things that God's teaching people. Is there something
happening in your life right now where God is just
He's showing up and He's teaching you something that you're
just like, your mind's just blown a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, this is so funny and it sort of answers
your question. But even going back to what you just
said about stumbling and leting God permitting us to stumble
at times like and the connection between us as parents
and then Jesus as a parent or a father figure.
And yesterday I just posted it on Instagram just I
don't post that often, but I thought this is pretty funny.
So like I started doing this thing with my boys
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where they want to run through the house all the time.
They just run in our house, hitting that big and
it's you can hear everything and it just sounds like
a hurricane half the time upstairs, so they want to
just run. So yesterday, or I started doing this a
few days ago, I just told my wife, I'm like,
all right, they want to run. I'd say, boys, come here,
and they come down.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I say, get your shoes on, We're going outside, and
we'd go and I'd just run them up and down
the driveway and I'd sit on the back of my
truck and just watch him run, watch them run for
like twenty thirty minutes until they.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Were so tired.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
And literally yesterday, one of them falls down and he
could you could tell he like falls on the concrete.
He like kind of scrapes his elbow up and he's
looking at me like like, what.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Are you gonna be?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
But I could tell he was okay, he wasn't super hurt,
and so I just kind of sat there let him stumble,
and then he slowed he got up, and I'm like,
you got this, buddy, And then he got up and
came and it was like that moment that you talk about.
We're like, all right, I want to I want to
discipline you guys and make sure that you understand certain
things and the importance of doing what I say, and
I'm going to allow you to wear yourself out and
do something that's not fun and even fall. But like
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you know, that embrace afterwards was that much sweeter, you
know what I mean, And they had that much more
respect and uh and you know, just there's so many
like analogies between the way God loves us and even
that little silly story from this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But I don't know if that answers your question. No, Yeah,
that's all that's good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I keep hearing like the word fruit, and I just love,
like tangibly the fruit of you teaching your children, you know,
lessons and you know about Jesus and things like that.
I think that's such kind of talking about what we
talked about earlier, like a legacy that is so sweet
and tangibly seeing that fruit and knowing that you know
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you're passing these things down. Have you had any other
encounters where maybe a fan has said, hey, listen, I
heard you talk about Jesus one time and I decided
to go to church, or those moments of like teaching
your kids just like tangible fruit that you've seen.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, I mean speaking of fruit, you know, like literally
are we homeschool our kids, and they have this song
they sing this. I didn't teach it to them, to
be honest, they learned it somewhere else. But it's the
fruits of the Spirit song. So they sing it all
the time and it's pretty you know. At first, I'm like,
this is obnoxious, but then you're like, this is actually
really great. Like they know all the fruits of the
spirit already, they're like, and we're talking about them, like
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what does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
You know, and even like currently, like one fruit of
the spirit that doesn't get talked about a lot of self,
you know, And so with them, I can really say like, hey, guys,
I know your body in your mind wants to do this,
but you have the spirit in you, which means you
have self control, which means you can control yourself.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I'm gonna need you to do that right now.
But uh, even for me, like like this week.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I'm doing this cleanse with my wife. It's really quite honestly,
it's fairly extreme, and it's just very limited on what
I can eat, and you know this and that, and
I'm so used to a culture in the world that's
you want it here it is. You know you want
to you know you want it now all right here
it is now, And sometimes like a little bit of
practice in that self control. Like I told Haley, I'm like,
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this is so hard for me because i feel pretty
good even before we do this cleanse and I really
don't want to do it, but I'm just doing it
because i know I'm going to feel even better and
I want to just do it.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
With you and this and that.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But the main thing is like I'm like, it actually
feels good to like really practice like real self control,
to be like to.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Really say no. And so I know that's the last of.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
The free to the spirit, but to me, it's one
of those things that in our world, especially as a parent,
self control is something that resonates with me all the time,
even with how I'm parenting, I'm like, control yourself. I
know you want to go crazy on these kids right now.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
But may Yeah, So anyways, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Self control is one of those I feel like that
we all, like you were talking earlier about like convictions
and like idols right like this right here, talk about
self control. It's the first thing you pick up in
the morning, and I'm like, if I would just move
it and put my Bible next to my bed, would
I pick up my Bible first? Or would I get
up and go across the room and pick up my
phone first.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's just like such a it's true.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Wow, Yeah, dude, there's a really interesting new study human
Andrew Hubman, if you know, he was talking about it
and I was like, dude, that's because I really believe,
you know, keep coming back to the Bible, and so
we should. But I really believe, like there's so many
things that we were just reading like yeah, yeah, cool,
like principle, but like the way that it's knit into
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science and it's tethered into truth, like ultimate truth is
you know, one of the verses it talks about, like,
you know, obeying my commands you'll live a long life.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Obeying his commands are hard.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You know, you're talking about self control, doing things you
don't want to do, like you know, it's like it
feels good, like because you can feel like what it's doing.
But the study basically talks about in people who live longer, statistically,
there's a part of their brain that's larger, you know
than normal people, like slightly larger on a consistent basis,
so long life tied with this area of the brain
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which grows by doing things you don't want to do.
So people who have a stronger part of their mind
in this area physically have a bigger part of their
brain but also has a longer life. So you take
that scripture and you're like, that's not just an idea
of like you thought, that's a literal can prove it study,
So like to hear you say that, like, that's exactly
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where I've been. It's like, man, I want it. What
can I do that I don't want to do that?
I can practice self control practice like that, you.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Know, even if it's a silly thing like the ice
bath or whatever, is like making your life.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I know, something that you don't want to do, all right,
I can do it. That's me in the gym.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm like I have to do it three to four
times a week. That's that's something hard. And then it's
like nine pm and I'm like, I said I would
do it today, So yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
That's what encouragement. It's like I'll do it with someone.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's harder for me that like you're doing it with
your wife, you know, it's like that, oh yeah, like together,
and it's like encouragement. And that's where I like, we
need to encourage each other, just like, yeah, let's do
it together, like that hard thing. Let's read the Bible
together in the you like I.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Had a smash burger yesterday. If my wife weren't sitting.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
With me, for I did have a smash burger, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And I think in this community too, like as we
as we connect the dots with like you know, Nashville
and country music and the music can be and in general,
it's really nice when you have a community around you
that's working for the same goal, you know what I mean,
and can somewhat be without using a Sunday School like term,
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but like an accountability partner, you know what I mean.
In a sense, we're like, yo, my homies might not
know everything about me, but they but they know who
I am and what I want to reflect and I
need to make sure that I'm you know, staying on course.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
You know, it's the Jesus model.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
It's like he sent him out to the world like
sheep among wolves two by two for a reason. All right,
it was like, why did you choose that model? It's
like the disciples. It was like, hey, you ever run
off on your own, It's like he sent them out.
So accountability partner, man, is like so real and practical
and part of the model the blueprint God's given.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's having a partner to do life with you.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
That's what Believers is about.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
In the music industry, it's creating a space for people
to not feel alone because you weren't meant to.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was like Jesus never sent out anyone out of line,
encourage shop and equip accountability because it's really hard to
do hot things, which were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Right man, that's so good. Well, as we wrap up,
I always like to ask, just personally in your life
right now, how can we be praying for you and
your family or your career or what are things that
you're believing for you.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Know, I'm still praying for discernment.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I'm making a lot of decisions in the next two
months three months, all the way from creative you know,
my music, to more business side of things and the
team and the infrastructure. So that's what i want more
than anything right now on the business side. And then
I'm always also praying and I can always use more
prayer for just balance your work life balance and being
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a present dad and present husband.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, all right, well I'm going to pray us out
if that's all right.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Thank you, dear hearnly Father, Lord, thank you for this day.
Thank you for these microphones to allow us to use
them to glorify you.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
God.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
And we just we're paying over time today and his
family Lord, as he continues this cleanse that you would
just continue to give him that self control, that you
would just give him the discernment that he is yearning towards. Lord,
and that you would just speak clearly to him, that
the noise of the outside world would just continue to
be a little bit quieter, Lord, and that your voice
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would be louder. That you would give him that discernment
that he's asking for, and that you would help him
to continue to find balance in his workspace and his
personal life. Lord, that you would just bless his family,
That you would watch over Haley and his three children. God,
that you would just continue to give them, just keep
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giving them fruit. That you would just give him the
discernment he needs, not only in his career, but as
a father and a husband to Lord, and we thank
you for this podcast, and we just thank you for
all the people that are behind the scenes, and we're
just coming to you with a grateful spirit today, Lord
and your heaven lean it. We pray Amen man, thank
you of course many.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
M m
Speaker 3 (44:09):
M m hmm.
Hey, I'm Burck Taylor. I'm a radio host and a
mom and just someone who's trying to live out her
faith every single day.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Mark Evans, I'm a pasta, I'm a dad
and Brooke and I We have conversations with people who
live their life in the spotlight. How do you steward
your faith when you're on a pedestal? What does it
look like to stay ground it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Faith fueled Conversations for life. This is the upload.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I'm Tyler Hubbard. Everybody raise a cold beers and let's
sing a worship song.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I was just like, WHOA, Like this is Jesus.
What would he do today if he were me?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Country music artist and a songwriter, dad and a husband
living in this culture. It felt like the world kind
of fell apart overnight. It happened in my backyard. It
was a helicopter crash and it was super graphic and
I was just shook. And this is the upload.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tyler Hubbard is on the upload.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. Excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm excited to chat with you. We on this podcast
really just like to have like faith fueled conversations and
not necessarily talk about the accolades and things that are
happening in our lives, but just talk about our faith.
And I just want to start with knowing what if
a fan came up to you in a meet and
greet and they're like, you know, what is what does
faith mean to you? What would you tell them?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I would say that's a fairly loaded question.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
But ultimately, to simplify it, I mean, I think it's
just believing in something that you don't always see, you
know what I mean, or maybe can't always touch. But ultimately,
for me, it's it's more relational based, you know, it's
a more uh, it's it's just about relationship, you know
what I mean, and relationship with Jesus and and uh,
for me, that's what's grown my faith.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know, you do see him, you do hear him.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know at times you can almost touch him where
it feels like, you know, through through life experiences and
through you know, different scenarios and prayer and all the things,
there's just uh, He's everywhere. So it's it's Uh, I've
grown a lot in my faith over the last definitely
the last five years or so. But yeah, faith has
always been a part of my life.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I was really fortunate to have parents that pursued Jesus
and taught me ways and you know, showed me his love,
and you know, grew up kind of reading the Bible
with my parents and going to church and doing those things.
So I had a really strong foundation that kind of
of faith. You know, that really kind of set the
stage for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Ultimately, when you say that within the last five years
your faith has grown so much, what was that turning
point for you where you're like, this is just different now.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Multiple things.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I would say, having children and getting to experience that
kind of love when you understand that that's how God
loves us. I mean, it's just, you know, it really
gives you a new perspective. My wife and I have
been on a journey lately, I would say, where she's
just passionately pursuing her faith and pursuing Jesus, and it's
been really cool to sort of watch her journey but
alongside her, just be there with her and support her,
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which has helped me grow in my faith. Even done
with the practical things, like I made a goal this year.
I wanted to read the whole Bible. And I've never
read the whole Bible, and like I said, I grew
up in church and I'm not much of a reader
at all, to be honest, So it's always intimidated me
a lot. But at the end of the year last year,
it showed up in my clause at the one Year Bible,
and I said, I'm gonna try this for a couple
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of days, even before the year starts, just to see,
I'm gonna ask the waters to see how about this
would be. But I did it, and I really liked it.
And so yeah, January one, I just decided, all right,
this year, I'm gona read through the whole Bible. And
so ultimately, like even just sitting down twenty minutes in
the morning with my coffee and just reading through the
you know, the way it's divided up day to day,
it just gives you probably twenty minutes of being in
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the Word. And some of it's really just off the
wall stuff that you're like, this is, you know, I'm
just reading words.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I don't even know what this is talking about. Yeah,
some of.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's really really good fuel, you know. And but through
the process, I've just really like got to know Jesus more,
you know what I mean, and got to know his
ways and ultimately kind of been able to carry those
those readings throughout my day.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it's been, uh, it's been pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I feel like reading the Bible, you're like going through
genealogy and you're reading like six hundred names and you're like,
all right, who's this first.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Year theology part? I'm like, Okay, I need another cup
of coffee.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But when you're reading through the Bible, have there been
any moments that have like stepped like stood out to
you because I feel like you memorized scripture or like
you know, certain verses or stories, but then when you
actually read and like all of the context, I feel
like sometimes those stories just change a little bit for everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, totally, there's a lot of there's a lot of
common Like I feel like throughout the Bible there's a
common theme and and you know, it depends on what
there's several things for sure, But the one that's really
been sticking out to me lately especially is how serious
God was about having no other idols, you know, having
you know, worshiping Him alone.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And uh, you know in our world.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I'm like, well, I'm reading this from two thousand years
ago where they built, you know, statues and worshiped, uh,
you know, and prayed to certain man made statues and
those things. And I'm like, well, what's what's my idols today?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And I think for me, it's it's a lot of
what we all face, you know. It's it's you know,
even my material things. It's my comparison, it's the you know,
it's this and that, and I'm just you know, it's
just been a good reminder to not that any of
those things are bad, I think, but I think just
having the perspective of like what am I worshiping?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What am I devote my time to my energy? Is
it YouTube? Or is it Jesus?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So sometimes it's really kind of like a wake up
call to be like, all right, you know, as simple
as it is, is my phone my idol? Or is
you know, am I worshiping my phone? Or am I
worshiping even my children more than Jesus?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And so yeah, it's been it's been a learning process.
But ultimately I've just been praying for just ultimately to
even get through the Bible. I'm just going to be
proud when I get finished with it. But ultimately that
he would show me, you know, what he wants me
to learn through it. And I think right now that's
kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I love that man so much.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The Word of God, it says, is a double edged
swords sharper than that, and it divides between solemn spirit.
It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart and
the whole idea of idols and anything that you place
in importance above God, like in front of God. The
application when you're reading idols, you're thinking, man, I am anytues.
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I don't, dude, I'm not. I don't have I don't
walk up. Yeah, but exactly. But the application of like
shifting an ash or a pole or an idol that's
written as you're reading to like applying the word of God,
I think is so so important.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And I think that is a lot of the discanct.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
When people read, they get stuck in the genealogies, they
get stuck on the knowledge versus applying. Like if it
is a double edged sword, it divides it. It is
useful to me a lamp unto my feet, you know,
so that I'm not just stumbling through life, you know, wondering,
kind of tripping over everything and kind of like getting blindsided,
but with the word of God as a lamp, like
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idols is one thing that you really feel like, Man,
God's shone a light on this applies to me today.
What are the other things that you feel like, just
specific even to the music industry, you feel like some
of the applications as you've been reading, like this has
been a real like lamp moment that's helped me, Like,
not just like I think life beats you up totally.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I'd say for me, it's been really interesting because I
feel like there's been a lot of I've been praying
for direction and discernment a lot because there's just been
a lot of I don't want to say doors closed,
but ultimately I've been praying for God to open the
doors that he wants me to run through and close
the ones he doesn't want me to, you know, and
sometimes that's hard. I think the whole through the FGL
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breakup and through that whole twenty twenty saga of such
a polarizing time and so divisive and so confused, you know,
and myself included and hurt and you know, just kind
of a time of unknown I think really helped me
lean into that a little bit more and just say
all right, yeah, like what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like what do you want from me? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Please hurry up and show me, because where I'm at
right now is not much fun, you know. And but
even the very practical stuff like making sure my you know,
my team is the right team that God wants around
me at the time to take my career and and
everything I'm doing to the next level and to glorify
Him at the same time, you know. And uh, and
right now I'm doing I'm doing some some mixing up,
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some mixing up some things in my business and in
my career. And so yeah, there's a little bit of
like there's a lot of fear in that of letting
go of some things that you're comfortable with, you know,
some people that you're comfortable with, and say, man, this
has been great, But I think God's calling me to
really like explore who else is out there and who
else can come alongside me and my journey, which is
ultimately hopefully His journey for me, you know. And that's
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really been my prayer because I've walked I've walked the path,
and I've taken an exit off a time or two
to see like, well, maybe this this is where they
tell me I need to go, or this is where
I'm feeling kind of pulled to maybe this is the
Holy Spirit, and then maybe it's not, you know, And
so there has been times where I where I've kind
of took an exit off course a little bit, and
I think for me, I just now I just really
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pray that I know the fulfillment enjoy is being on
course and doing what He's kind of set out for me,
and so I just kind of pray that that that
can be clear, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Scold me.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I think there's so much growth and uncomfortability, and
it's such a hard place to be in, especially like
you said, the FGL situation where you're like, this is
all I've known my whole life and then all of
a sudden, bam, doors closed, and you're like, hello, can
you give me a little something?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
No, I mean we were we were all kind of
faced with that, you know. I mean my situation was
within a band, and you know, going from playing four
shows a week for ten years to not plan any
shows and you know, not knowing what the future holds.
But we all face that during that time, and I
think probably in life in general, we've all kind of
hit that dead end road.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We're like, well, what's next? What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
What's what's what's God kind of teeing up, you know,
and when you don't see it right away, it can
be it can be a bit challenging for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And what a beautiful thing too to be able to
kind of navigate and answer questions that are just not
for a group of people but just for you and
your family and what's the best for you. I think
that's such a huge blessing in disguise at least maybe
that you don't feel at first, But I feel like
being in such a big spotlight, it all always kind
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of like your your vision's a little blinded sometimes where
you're like, man, I feel like you just you need
to lean into something else, like Jesus is that lamp
into our feet, like you were just saying. And I
feel like in you know, mainstream country music or just
just the music industry in general, I feel like living
out your faith publicly is such a hard thing to do.
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For some people. Do you feel like there's tension in
the industry at all in that way where you feel
like living out your faith on a you know, public
level is harder to do than not.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think there's probably aspects of it that are difficult,
you know, and you might you're going to face the backlash,
or you might you might become you know, labeled as
a certain thing, or you know, persecution in some capacity
if you will. But I think ultimately, I've always felt
really comfortable with my faith, you know. I think it's
it's a big piece of who I am, and if
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I want to be authentic and genuine, which I do,
then I would be selling everyone short to dismiss that
part of who I am, you know. And I think
I think in our genre specifically, it's kind of embedded
in our morals and values and country music and I
just feel like it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Kind of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So there is that lane, you know what I mean
that you can feel comfortably in without feeling like you're
really having to go against the grain. And obviously there,
you know, there's a little bit of challenge there. But
I think for me, I've always felt really just comfortable
and able to be myself. But I will say to
your point, when you're in a band, it's not individualized
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as much. You know, you kind of become an image
or a brand that you may have labeled yourself at
one point, or the Internet may have labeled you as,
or just the fan base may have labeled you as.
And instead of saying I want to get to know
Tyler Hubbard and Brian Kelly, they might just say, yeah,
I know Florida, George Line. I know those guys. This
is what they are and who and what they do.
And maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, maybe it's false
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or true, But at the same time, you can pretty
casually just throw off it. I don't need to go
super deep with my fan base or you know, they
know me and BK, and I don't want to overshadow
BK or doesn't want to, you know, get super personal
with the fans because we're a group. You know, we're
a pair, you know, we're together, and so so yeah,
kind of stepping into this solo thing is really not
only allowed me to evaluate who I am, you know,
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and what I want to leave, what kind of legacy
I want to leave as a person.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Instead of a band.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's really allowed the audience to step in and get
to know me, like on a deeper level, and for
me to be more genuine and be more authentic and
really like showcase who I am and lean into who
I am and hopefully connect and a vulnerable and a
cool way with the audience that they don't they didn't
get before.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What do you think is that legacy that you want
to leave behind?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I mean from a thirty thousand foot view, I want
to be a guy that was that loved Jesus, you know,
that love music, that love life, was passionate about my
wife and my children. You know, I want to have
the story that's a little bit untraditional for the guy
that you know, at one point was in the spotlight
or you know, playing stadiums. You know, I want to
have something to come home to that's bigger and better
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than music, and you know, leave something that can really
make an impact for the better for people individually and
as a community.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And forging a identity as Tyler as an individual, you know,
touching on that you talked about the band factor, but
then really forging an identity as an individual, like in
this you seem really a piece like just from a
spirit perspective, you feel settled. You feel poise is the word,
like there's a there's a really unique and special poise
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about your spirit in this journey twenty twenty to twenty
twenty five the whole like things you've walked through wrestled
with for that poise. Has it always been like that?
Have you always just been you know, you said a
man out of chill morning, I'm like in a good spot,
like I'm reading the Bible in a year, like I.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Just feel there's a balance.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
What's been the process to just even just find that
poise in yourself?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Has there been a wrestle with that? Has it been easy?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
What's de pens on the day? You know what I mean,
some days I feel I love that word. I'll take
that any day of the week.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Poised. I'll tell you this, But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Would say, you know, from day to day, I mean
some days it's a real battle.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You know, some days I want things to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Now, and it's just not it's just God saying be patient,
be patient, be patient. And that's also been a word
that's just like you know, okay, I am like how
long you know? And you know, whether it was the beginning.
I mean, I've just it's been nice to go through
some some hard times, you know what I mean, whether
it was I know it sounds silly, but I ruptured
my achilles and broke my ankle and was down and
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out at the end of September, which was basically the
middle of the pandemic in twenty twenty. September twenty twenty,
just had our third baby, or when this happened, we
were three weeks away from having our third baby, so
we would have had we had three kids under three
years old.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I BK kind of dropped the bomb on me that
he wanted to be a solo artist in the midst
of all the unknown already. So it was it was
a super tough season for me. You know, it happened
like it all It felt like the world kind of
I fell apart overnight for me, and so uh, I
think being forced, if you will, to lean on Jesus
more and just say, man, I don't I am so
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lost right now, Like I don't know up from down.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know what I thought you were. I thought
I was in my calling? Am I in my calling? Like?
What what are you doing? You know, and what are
you trying to teach me?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And so, And honestly, it wasn't like a smooth path
even after that got you know, after the I guess
the fog kind of settled a little bit, but it
was a constant like, Okay, he's got me. I can
feel it. I can feel it. It was a little
reminder here and there, little reminder all right. As I
lean into him, he just really I mean, I know
it sounds a bit cliche, but man, he gives you rest,
he gives you peace, he gives you refuge, and sometimes
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when you have nowhere else to go, it's like, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I'm going to lean in. And when you feel that,
and you know, it's really you're just like, all right,
this is where I want to This is where I
want to live. I want to live in this peace.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And when I feel a little off helter or off balance,
I always know where to go.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I think that's like a key, like I don't always
go there for sure, and I definitely want to try out,
you know, let me I think today.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Will go better like this. And then it's like let me, man,
let me.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Go back to what's that lyric and that Thomas Right
something that's like you make plans and you see God laughing. Yeah,
It's like, yeah, I get ready for this.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, I can relate, dude.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I love that the Bible says make every effort to
ender my rest. And that's why I ask the question,
is like it seems like contrary thoughts, make every effort
to enter my rest, and it's like there's an intentionality,
but there's also a wrestle. Like you know, I just
think of as you were sharing that journey and the
September Achilles ankle, the stuff going on personally, like Jacob
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wrestles with God. There was a shift in him that
happens in that moment all night, like in the midnight hour,
it's dark.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
He's like fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But what started out as like in my own strength
like let me like kind of like man, I'm going
to give this all my got turns into like a limp,
a clinging, like it's more of a I'm going to
fight like And I just have been thinking through this
process of like God picked a fight with Jacob in
our lives. God, out of love and kindness, picks a
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fight where we've got an opportunity. You know, there's some
of the tension things and you said it's been a
gift or what however, you said, it's been a good
thing for me to go through this. And you can
see that, you can feel that in you. You know,
I've just met you today, But like there's like a
poise there it is again, but there is and I
think that comes through a wrestle. And I'm hearing that
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in what you're saying. And so if anyone listening, it's like,
if you're in the middle of a wrestle, if they're
in your September twenty twenty, what would you have wanted
to hear in the midnight?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You don't know, there's no light at the end of
the time you're wrestling. You didn't know who you're wrestling,
what am I fighting? Which way's up?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like you said, what would you say feeling like, what's
the formula for poise?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
If there is one man?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
There's a lot of power and gratitude, you know what
I mean? Yeah, And I feel like I keep seeing
that come up where it's like it's easy for me
to look at what's not working right or what I
need to fix or what I need to do better
or you know, kind of talk to myself that way.
But when there's always something to be grateful for, and
I forget the exact you know, quote or the exact thing,
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but essentially there can't be a lot of things can't
live within gratitude. Anger and certain emotions can't live within gratitude.
So if you can just channel gratitude, look around and say, man,
even if it's just to be alive today, like man,
I'm grateful, you know. And so there's a lot of
power in that. And there's a lot of verses in
the Bible that can back that up. But I've just
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lean tried to lean into that, you know, and God
has been so good to me, and even on the
worst days, like I can look around and say, all right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So grateful, so.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Even for the hard days, and so that's gotten me
a long ways. And yeah, I definitely was kind of
leaning into that during those seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I was just thinking about you know, as human beings,
we all go through so many things, and I feel
like being in the spotlight, a lot of people say like, oh,
he's this big country artist or he's you know, whoever,
and he's just got it all together. Everything online looks amazing,
his family's great, his marriage looks amazed. You know, all
the things are happening, but you talking about you know,
like you said September of twenty twenty, and just like
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one thing after another, you're like, I'm getting hurt, which
you know that stinks because of what you do for
a living, but also just on a human level, you're
about to be another dad, Like you're welcoming new life
in and then getting this news that you're no longer
going to be a group. All these things come crashing
down on you. What are some of those tangible ways
that you did seek Jesus in those moments? Do you
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remember any of those moments and how they felt?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean desperate, you know, I would say at times,
you're just desperate. You're just like all right, like I
want to feel the peace, I want to feel the joy,
and I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So just sort of desperation. You know.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I think there's a time where God, let's us get
to that point. Maybe there's no other way that we'll
lean on him, you know, And so I feel like,
you know, that was a season. I don't know why
I keep going back in my mind to even when
I was twenty and lost my dad, I had a
moment where it was it was I was at home,
it was very it happened in my backyard. It was
a helicopter crash and it was super graphic, and I
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was just shook and I'm just like I remember instantly,
almost like as I was walking away from that, like
just standing there and talking to God and being like
all right, like I know how this story plays out,
Like I can get mad at you right now and
I can go down this road, or I can lean
on you and trust you, and this is I feel
like that was the moment where I've been almost training
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for my whole childhood, you know what I mean, how
strong is your faith?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Are you gonna?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Because this didn't seem fair.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You know, Dad was forty three, I was twenty, and
it just felt like, man, we were just getting to
like a cool spot in our relationship, and so to
watch him pass away in front of me, you know,
in an instant, like very unexpected, I was just like,
all right, I gotta make a choice. And sometimes you
just got to make a choice. And I think it's
uh for me, Like the second I made that choice,
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like I felt the embrace and I felt the peace,
and I was like, that makes no sense. I went
back to school a few weeks later because I was
in college at Pira Belmont and a lot of my friends,
did you know, it kind of shook my whole my
whole circle pretty good. But I had this unexplainable peace
that the word talks about and I had prayed for
and I had it, and I was just like WHOA, Like,
this is Jesus, this is all I mean, this is
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incredible and things you know a lot of times just
made sense when it was pretty quol I mean, it
was pretty raw steel, and really, you know, there could
have been a lot of resentment and anger, and there was.
There was definitely days where I was able to have
that and.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Let that out.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But at the same time, like I chose to trust God,
you know what I mean, and chose in that moment,
all right, I want to be I don't want this
to end to end badly, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So the paradox hearing that of watching my dad die
in front of me and having joy and peace, I
feel like that's something that even listening sounds not real, Like,
you know, for people that don't know God personally. You know,
you talk about a relationship. I think it just sounds crazy,
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bro like, but but the truth is if you read
when you're the Bible and you experience these things personally,
all the paradoxes of the of the Bible, the upside down,
kingdom of the first shall be last, you know, the
a crown of thorns, even like a king born in
a manger. There's so many paradoxes. Beautiful, Like James says,
consider it pure joy when you face trials on many kinds,
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because do you know what it's doing in you? And
I'm hearing scripture like come out of your your story
in mouth so beautifully, and I just think, like, you
can't underestimate the personal testimony of that piece, like people
have a choice, Like it's confronting honestly, It's like, man,
is this guy making it up? Or is this real?
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And I think that's so cool to hear a testimony
like that. I'm like, yeah, it creates a confrontation in
me of like, man, I want that experience. I'm gone
through hard stuff. I want that peace. I want that joy.
And I think, yeah, the paradox, let me throw another
one at you, Holy ambition, this idea of ambition not
being selfish, like not just pushing things for myself, but
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like living to serve others. You know, what is that
in a music industry which is a lot about my name,
my stage, my you know, my gift, which you have
a phenomenal gift, but like, how do you balance the
holy ambition paradox?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
No, that's great question, and I wrestled with that. I
wrestled with it for quite a while with n FGL.
I'll go back to that. Let me just say this,
this quote that keeps coming to mind that I think
my friend Judah Smith says. He says or somewhere I
read this where and I go to this lot. I mean,
we've all heard like what would Jesus do?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And that's a great mindset to have, but but we
don't think about what Jesus would do as much.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I like to phrase, what would Jesus do if he
were me living right now? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And if you study Jesus's life, there's examples where you'd
be like, Okay, what would he do today if he
were me? If he were a country music artist living
in Nashville, Tennessee and a songwriter and a dad and
a husband and living in this culture.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And that's an interesting thought.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
We could have a whole podcast on that, but I
think that's kind of like, that's kind of part of it.
You know What I mean for me is how would
he approach his conversations? How would he approach his day
to day walk? Would he hurry through his day or
would he? Or would he take his time?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know what I mean? Would he?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And I'm having like a wash of thoughts right now,
but I feel like but leaning into that and then
forget I forget the second part. But yeah, so also
knowing like I don't know how this really answers the question,
but I just remembered a season where I felt like
music was my calling. I felt like, all right, God,
this is a gift that I've been given, He's going
to use me in this way. And in my mind,
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I thought, well, this is going to be in church,
because actually that's where I started falling in love with
Jesus and falling in love with music, was a.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Leading worship and singing worship songs.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
And that was kind of like what I how I
grew up learning to play guitar and you know, write
songs and obviously love country music as well, but for
me personally, it was leading worshiping.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So I thought, well, this is what I'll do.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And you know, fast forward six years later, I'm you know,
booking myself at all these dirty clubs in the Southeast.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And MENBK Are going every weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And playing, playing all the clubs and doing all the
stuff and kind of in a dark space, like a
dark world, and You're just like, man, I don't I
think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, but
this doesn't feel like I envisioned it, you know what
I mean. But still kind of having that ambition to
like use my gift to serve God and to point
to Him, but not seeing it at the moment right
And then it hit me. It was probably five years later,
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where we're all of a sudden a big act and
we're playing these big amphitheaters, and all of a sudden
it kind of hits me that God this whole time
had been teeing me up to be in front of
a different audience than First Baptist Church Logan Bille you
know what I'm saying, and putting me in front of
people that needed to hear his word, but not through
the lenses or perspective of a church.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know, maybe it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Was was horible, like Jesus, Yeah, exactly, just exactly everybody,
everybody raise your cold beers.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
In this single worship song, you know, I mean it
was some of those moments.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And I think now it's been fun to see a
lot of guys, especially in our genre, and leaning into
that and using their you know, using their gift to
glorify God outside of the space that maybe the traditional
mindset would think that you're going to be used.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You know, that's the lamp stand, bro, Like that is
literally the destination for the calling. And I love to
hear that, like God has put you and called all
of us to be a light on a lamp stand
to give light to the whole room. And often we
think the room is the four walls, right, But the
church and the calling is to go into the world.
And so you know, I think there's a lot of
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like the church wants to make people feel like, oh,
like you know, the feeling of like that this space
and am I supposed to be here?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And I just want to like, I love that it's
not so much like that anymore, and I think it
needs we just need to keep pushing into that because
really God has called us to not yeah like, let's
have our kumbais, let's get filled up, but then we're
called to the lamps end, bro Like, that's that is
well done, good and faithful servant. Totally, that is how
we rando those words, and it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
So I had to get over the fact that I
had to get over the shame because I grew up
in a church culture that was all based on fear
and shame, and so I couldn't walk around with my
shirt untucked without somebody saying you need to take your
shirt in, and you're just like for who, for Jesus
or for you, you.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And like a lot of these things, even just like
the image of being in bars would be like, oh,
you know, that's worth you know, And so I had
to get over that took a while.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But I think a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Came from an upbringing and super you know, super conservative
and super rule based and super I mean, it was
less about relationship and more about dos and don'ts, you know,
and so I got to learn that for myself as
I I mean, I moved to Nashville when I was eighteen,
so I'm still figuring out who I am, you know,
at that age, and figuring out what my relationship really
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does look like, where's my convictions instead of my church's convictions,
you know? And so that was also an important part
of my process and finding that like, okay, like God
actually works outside of the Baptist box that I grew
up in.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
This is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, and I think so many people listening or watching
this can relate to the you know, the to do
list or the boxes to check or like you said,
that shame and that guilt that you feel sometimes and
like you said, developing your own relationship and how that
kind of changes your relationship with God and your relationship
with church and literally everything take us through. So if
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somebody's listening to this and they're like, okay, me too,
that's how I felt. What are some of those ways
where you kind of steered your own journey or where
you your faith shifted a little bit, or your relationship
with God shifted a little bit and you found that yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's different for everyone,
and I think that's the key. You know, I had
to feel my personal convictions, you know, I had to
understand what's right and what's wrong for me instead of
what's right and wrong for my parents or for my church,
you know, and what's right What does Jesus say about this?
Does you know, how would Jesus approach this?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
And I think that took a little maturity and little growth.
And there were times where I was certainly exploring things
where I knew, like, this isn't exactly what Jesus asked
for me, for sure, Like you know, we partied, we
you know, at one point I was way off track, probably,
But at the same time, like I said before, like
I always knew he was there, and I always knew
where to come back to, you know, ultimately, and I
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always felt protected. And looking back in hindsight, he really
had he really had his protection around me even in
those times, and he was there. I was learning and
growing even in times it didn't look like you know,
your typical church visual would look. And so I feel
like it's about the personal conviction, and for me, like
those convictions got pretty pretty loose for a while, for sure,
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I'm just like figuring out, figuring things out. But the
closer that I got to God and even through my journey,
you know, it is a journey.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Some day it's like any relationship.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Some weeks you're like, ma'am, me and my wife were
locked in, like we're feeling good. I can almost read
her mind. And in some months or weeks you're just like, wow,
we need like we need a date night.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Bad, you know what I mean, Like where are you? So?
I feel like it's like that with Jesus too.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Some days and weeks you're just locked in maybe months
or years, and then some months or years you might
really feel like we need a date night. You know,
we need to get I need to make some time
to hang out with you. And so the closer that
I get to him and the more I lean in,
the more I study Jesus as a person and how
he handled life, the more my convictions also evolve and
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change and shift, you know, and something that maybe maybe
didn't even speak to me at all two years ago,
I'm like, man, this is actually really kind of bothering me,
Like I should address this and figure out where my
morals and values stand. Like this year, you know, what
I mean with this topic go and so right or wrong?
I feel like this kind of in a journey for me, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Good the stumbles. Like we talked about the trials, you know,
and everything they produce and like have enjoyed through. But
as another verse says, God will permit the righteous to stumble,
but he won't let him fall.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You talked about always feeling protected. He talks about.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Man, I add some moments, you know, where I felt
like I'm not in the I'm stumbling, right, But I
think the enemy's plan is to make you feel shame,
you know. To says he's the accuser. You know, that's
one of his name is he wants to make you
feel disconnected, not good enough. That God says he'll permit
the righteous to stumble, he won't let them fall. And
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I think that's beautiful, shame chain breaker kind of language,
and just seeing that in your journey, it's like, well,
if the trials are producing a maturity, completion, lacking nothing, man,
surely the stumbles when I feel not good enough, when
I feel Paul says, I'll boast in my weakness because
in that when I am feeling when the enemy is
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trying to say, man, you're this You're a bad dude.
God's saying, like, man, my power is made perfect in
this moment, in under grace. In this the closeness of
grace and the relationship of the father's arms. At the
end of the road, as the son comes home, I
was like the tightest hug and it's like you just
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you know, you wake up and the son who stayed home,
you know, gets a hug every day. But man, I
tell you this something special about the hug at the
end of a long road that God not only is like,
oh well, at least you came back, you know, it's
like he permits. And I think about as in this
is an interesting father question when any of my kids
mess up and learn a lesson, my father's heart is like,
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I'm so like more love, but like I'm so grateful
that that stumble happened because of what I'm so proud
of my son. You know, I'm so I feel close
to him. I just embrace him and I'm like you
he's like, feels bad. I'm like, dude, I just I
love you. Like this is how this is path of
the course. This is what it looks like to live
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under grace. So what is that, how has that been
speaking to that a little bit? And maybe even just
encourage people, like I feel like you've got so much
depth in you to just like encourage people in that
space of like your experience with living under Grace you're
experiencing with the stumbles someone's feeling, like the guilt, the shame,
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the accusations.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
What's your encouragement?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I mean to put it simply, I would just say,
there's always a place to go, you know. I mean
I think when I feel my when I'm having my
worst days or feeling super down or not myself, like,
I'm so grateful that I have that reminder of like, Okay,
I know where to go for this.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, I know where to I.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Know who to talk to, and I got a lot
of great friends, a lot of great therapists and all that.
But ultimately, when I talk to Jesus and lean into him,
it always helps, man, it really does. You can really
genuinely feel what he talks about and the peace and
the joy, and and it's not always easy, and it's
not always immediate. And sometimes I fight my own you know,
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my own thoughts and my own uh, just the world
that we live in.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You know, it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So I don't want to take away from that, but
I would say anytime I'm going through a hard time
or for anyone who is, like, that's the that's the truth. Man,
Like there's a lot of freedom and knowing where to
go home to.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, I feel like we always love to hear just
tangibly like things that God's teaching people. Is there something
happening in your life right now where God is just
He's showing up and He's teaching you something that you're
just like, your mind's just blown a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, this is so funny and it sort of answers
your question. But even going back to what you just
said about stumbling and leting God permitting us to stumble
at times like and the connection between us as parents
and then Jesus as a parent or a father figure.
And yesterday I just posted it on Instagram just I
don't post that often, but I thought this is pretty funny.
So like I started doing this thing with my boys
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where they want to run through the house all the time.
They just run in our house, hitting that big and
it's you can hear everything and it just sounds like
a hurricane half the time upstairs, so they want to
just run. So yesterday, or I started doing this a
few days ago, I just told my wife, I'm like,
all right, they want to run. I'd say, boys, come here,
and they come down.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I say, get your shoes on, We're going outside, and
we'd go and I'd just run them up and down
the driveway and I'd sit on the back of my
truck and just watch him run, watch them run for
like twenty thirty minutes until they.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Were so tired.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
And literally yesterday, one of them falls down and he
could you could tell he like falls on the concrete.
He like kind of scrapes his elbow up and he's
looking at me like like, what.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Are you gonna be?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
But I could tell he was okay, he wasn't super hurt,
and so I just kind of sat there let him stumble,
and then he slowed he got up, and I'm like,
you got this, buddy, And then he got up and
came and it was like that moment that you talk about.
We're like, all right, I want to I want to
discipline you guys and make sure that you understand certain
things and the importance of doing what I say, and
I'm going to allow you to wear yourself out and
do something that's not fun and even fall. But like
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you know, that embrace afterwards was that much sweeter, you
know what I mean, And they had that much more
respect and uh and you know, just there's so many
like analogies between the way God loves us and even
that little silly story from this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But I don't know if that answers your question. No, Yeah,
that's all that's good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I keep hearing like the word fruit, and I just love,
like tangibly the fruit of you teaching your children, you know,
lessons and you know about Jesus and things like that.
I think that's such kind of talking about what we
talked about earlier, like a legacy that is so sweet
and tangibly seeing that fruit and knowing that you know
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you're passing these things down. Have you had any other
encounters where maybe a fan has said, hey, listen, I
heard you talk about Jesus one time and I decided
to go to church, or those moments of like teaching
your kids just like tangible fruit that you've seen.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, I mean speaking of fruit, you know, like literally
are we homeschool our kids, and they have this song
they sing this. I didn't teach it to them, to
be honest, they learned it somewhere else. But it's the
fruits of the Spirit song. So they sing it all
the time and it's pretty you know. At first, I'm like,
this is obnoxious, but then you're like, this is actually
really great. Like they know all the fruits of the
spirit already, they're like, and we're talking about them, like
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what does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
You know, and even like currently, like one fruit of
the spirit that doesn't get talked about a lot of self,
you know, And so with them, I can really say like, hey, guys,
I know your body in your mind wants to do this,
but you have the spirit in you, which means you
have self control, which means you can control yourself.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I'm gonna need you to do that right now.
But uh, even for me, like like this week.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I'm doing this cleanse with my wife. It's really quite honestly,
it's fairly extreme, and it's just very limited on what
I can eat, and you know this and that, and
I'm so used to a culture in the world that's
you want it here it is. You know you want
to you know you want it now all right here
it is now, And sometimes like a little bit of
practice in that self control. Like I told Haley, I'm like,
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this is so hard for me because i feel pretty
good even before we do this cleanse and I really
don't want to do it, but I'm just doing it
because i know I'm going to feel even better and
I want to just do it.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
With you and this and that.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But the main thing is like I'm like, it actually
feels good to like really practice like real self control,
to be like to.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Really say no. And so I know that's the last of.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
The free to the spirit, but to me, it's one
of those things that in our world, especially as a parent,
self control is something that resonates with me all the time,
even with how I'm parenting, I'm like, control yourself. I
know you want to go crazy on these kids right now.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
But may Yeah, So anyways, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Self control is one of those I feel like that
we all, like you were talking earlier about like convictions
and like idols right like this right here, talk about
self control. It's the first thing you pick up in
the morning, and I'm like, if I would just move
it and put my Bible next to my bed, would
I pick up my Bible first? Or would I get
up and go across the room and pick up my
phone first.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's just like such a it's true.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Wow, Yeah, dude, there's a really interesting new study human
Andrew Hubman, if you know, he was talking about it
and I was like, dude, that's because I really believe,
you know, keep coming back to the Bible, and so
we should. But I really believe, like there's so many
things that we were just reading like yeah, yeah, cool,
like principle, but like the way that it's knit into
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science and it's tethered into truth, like ultimate truth is
you know, one of the verses it talks about, like,
you know, obeying my commands you'll live a long life.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Obeying his commands are hard.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You know, you're talking about self control, doing things you
don't want to do, like you know, it's like it
feels good, like because you can feel like what it's doing.
But the study basically talks about in people who live longer, statistically,
there's a part of their brain that's larger, you know
than normal people, like slightly larger on a consistent basis,
so long life tied with this area of the brain
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which grows by doing things you don't want to do.
So people who have a stronger part of their mind
in this area physically have a bigger part of their
brain but also has a longer life. So you take
that scripture and you're like, that's not just an idea
of like you thought, that's a literal can prove it study,
So like to hear you say that, like, that's exactly
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where I've been. It's like, man, I want it. What
can I do that I don't want to do that?
I can practice self control practice like that, you.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Know, even if it's a silly thing like the ice
bath or whatever, is like making your life.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I know, something that you don't want to do, all right,
I can do it. That's me in the gym.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm like I have to do it three to four
times a week. That's that's something hard. And then it's
like nine pm and I'm like, I said I would
do it today, So yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
That's what encouragement. It's like I'll do it with someone.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's harder for me that like you're doing it with
your wife, you know, it's like that, oh yeah, like together,
and it's like encouragement. And that's where I like, we
need to encourage each other, just like, yeah, let's do
it together, like that hard thing. Let's read the Bible
together in the you like I.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Had a smash burger yesterday. If my wife weren't sitting.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
With me, for I did have a smash burger, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And I think in this community too, like as we
as we connect the dots with like you know, Nashville
and country music and the music can be and in general,
it's really nice when you have a community around you
that's working for the same goal, you know what I mean,
and can somewhat be without using a Sunday School like term,
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but like an accountability partner, you know what I mean.
In a sense, we're like, yo, my homies might not
know everything about me, but they but they know who
I am and what I want to reflect and I
need to make sure that I'm you know, staying on course.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
You know, it's the Jesus model.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
It's like he sent him out to the world like
sheep among wolves two by two for a reason. All right,
it was like, why did you choose that model? It's
like the disciples. It was like, hey, you ever run
off on your own, It's like he sent them out.
So accountability partner, man, is like so real and practical
and part of the model the blueprint God's given.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's having a partner to do life with you.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
That's what Believers is about.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
In the music industry, it's creating a space for people
to not feel alone because you weren't meant to.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was like Jesus never sent out anyone out of line,
encourage shop and equip accountability because it's really hard to
do hot things, which were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Right man, that's so good. Well, as we wrap up,
I always like to ask, just personally in your life
right now, how can we be praying for you and
your family or your career or what are things that
you're believing for you.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Know, I'm still praying for discernment.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
I'm making a lot of decisions in the next two
months three months, all the way from creative you know,
my music, to more business side of things and the
team and the infrastructure. So that's what i want more
than anything right now on the business side. And then
I'm always also praying and I can always use more
prayer for just balance your work life balance and being
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a present dad and present husband.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, all right, well I'm going to pray us out
if that's all right.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Thank you, dear hearnly Father, Lord, thank you for this day.
Thank you for these microphones to allow us to use
them to glorify you.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
God.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
And we just we're paying over time today and his
family Lord, as he continues this cleanse that you would
just continue to give him that self control, that you
would just give him the discernment that he is yearning towards. Lord,
and that you would just speak clearly to him, that
the noise of the outside world would just continue to
be a little bit quieter, Lord, and that your voice
(43:21):
would be louder. That you would give him that discernment
that he's asking for, and that you would help him
to continue to find balance in his workspace and his
personal life. Lord, that you would just bless his family,
That you would watch over Haley and his three children. God,
that you would just continue to give them, just keep
(43:41):
giving them fruit. That you would just give him the
discernment he needs, not only in his career, but as
a father and a husband to Lord, and we thank
you for this podcast, and we just thank you for
all the people that are behind the scenes, and we're
just coming to you with a grateful spirit today, Lord
and your heaven lean it. We pray Amen man, thank
you of course many.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
M m
Speaker 3 (44:09):
M m hmm.
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