#374 - BERNER - The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, Man Boulet Camp podcasts all the way in
the Bay Area.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Keep out here to fuck.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
With my got Burner Man Special Edition special edition at
your first of all, it's new compound you have. It
is a man I wish well listen, We're gonna do
a tour on the YouTube channels. People will be able
to see it. But man, this shit is crazy, dog like.
This is is some real like as you would like
to say, some real mafia shit.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's life ghost shit, dog like shit.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
We built everything you've seen today from the house on
the couch in the front room, pacing in the house,
and so you know, landlords could be a pain in
the ass.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
So I wanted to wait to build something like this
until I was a.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Landlord, until I could buy the building and kind of
decide what I want to do. I want to do it,
you know, and just not have to answer anyone. I've
seen a lot of big businesses, even in this area,
being pushed out by their landlord.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, and that shit. I would never do that. Ever.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I was gonna say, like you've always had like like
you know, you're always diversified, to say the very least, right,
But in terms of like the content space.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
You've always you know, I think back.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
To the days where you were like going viral on
World Star, you know what I'm saying, like for wild
Things all the way to now Wh're like, you know,
you had a show like Burners Round Table that was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't know if you're bringing that back or not.
Are you planning bringing them? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know, like podcasts for me is like a little tough,
Like it's just like it's kind of like you have
to be really consistent, and you've been super consistent, so
I give you props on that. But for me, it's
like I think the cookings were the hearts at not
for sure, Like and I really like a lot of
people like, you know, he's just doing a cooking show,
and I see a lot of people doing cooking shows
and doing cooking content.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
But I grew up in a kitchen. My father had
a restaurant growing up. You know that that's a beast
of a cook. He's a good cook. And then but
I feel like, besides the cooking show, I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Like we want to build like the Urban Food Network,
and that's what I'm trying to do over here. That's
why I see this building completely empty. The warehouse you
saw is completely empty. I'm trying to get some capital,
some serious partners and understand the vision to kind of
create like what we'd like to watch on the Food Network.
I mean, the Food Network is dope. We all get
stuck watching it for hours, but it's repetitive. It's the

(02:16):
same chefs, its sky Fieri shout out to him, and
it's for a certain crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's a certain crowd.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
But like there's a whole world out there, like viral Instagram,
chefs killing it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
There's a whole world of like you know, just.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
The black and brown community doing their thing, and just
in the food world, it's being ignored by the mainstream television.
So our goal is to build a network. And so
I said, just like podcasting is cool, but I'm in
the Bay one. Not many people roll through here, and too,
I don't really know if I want to share this
place with that many people. Kind of want to keep it, yeah,
do you have too many people coming in and out?
Like you said, like this is a special place. It's

(02:50):
pure right now, right, you know, I got to keep
a little yah, know what I mean. I'm like here,
but that's good with me, Like I don't want to
have food security out and not be able to sleep.
But I like it the way it is now, and
I think food content is pretty pure.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You guys gonna say with the food shit.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So the goal initial, like really is like to eventually
try to have a channel that's on TV.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, you know, either like a channel on TV or
like building my own network that consists of like a
food segment of things, like a like a true crime
series kind of you know style content, short films that
we debut.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I really want to build.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
My own network really, yeah, And I got some good
things going on.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
We spoke about I don't know the last.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Time I haven't scripted series, and it works a really
big network and it's a big budget, and I think
it's going to do really well.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And I feel like.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
While I'm in those doors, you know me, I'm a wiggle.
I'm gonna get to know people. I'm gonna be able
to shake hands, rub shoulders with the right people. And
I feel like if I have a portfolio content that
ranges from like the food space to true crime documentaries,
documentary yeah too, you know, the short film that could
be proof of concepts for real films and maybe there's

(04:03):
like a network partnership, or maybe there's a partnership with
like a bigger network or something like that. So I
just kind of seen what fifty did, and I respect
the fuck out what he did, but I don't want
to have to rely on like networks the whole time.
I would rather kind of build my own portfolio in
the background and do a partnership with the network of
content that I own and produce myself.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I was gonna say, I think we had talked about.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You maybe doing a movie or something that kind of
covered the bitpin aspect of the Bay Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Actually, my partners in that the script is done. It
called it's called a Splash City.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
They're coming here. They'll probably be here in like thirty mans.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So as soon as we're done with our interview and tour,
then I'm gonna sit down with them or view this script.
But that script's ready. There's another script ready as well,
so it just you know, take them on time to
fuck what it do.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I feel like, you know, that is like one
of the things that like is so Bay Area specific
that when I talk to people like they don't know
even they've never even heard the word BIP and the
fact is that it's how.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
They get here and they get their ship hitting.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I feel like it's gonna be like the New School
in New Jersey drive almost and it's gonna be dope
because no one's a really covering the Barry. And that's
kind of my goal. I feel like, all right, I
made it to a certain status. I feel like I
put on hard with the music as much as I could,
and I'm gonna still fuck with it. But I feel
like my ultimate goal is to kind of put the
Bay in my back in the sense of telling some

(05:22):
of these stories, tapping into some of this untold content,
like no one's ever attacked to the Bay, Like all
the crime films and movies are based on New York, LA, Chicago, Boston,
you know, like where's the barrier stories at?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right? And so I.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Feel like I'm trying to get into a position financially
hands you know, just Respectilise where people will trust me
with those stories.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
That'd be hard, dude, I haven't we haven't talked on
camera since you made the Forbes magazine. So I just
want to say congrats, thank you. That shit is pretty
gnarly to like be like, yeah, my boys, like my
friend is on.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
The cover of Forbes.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
The cool thing about that, it's like there's people that
are way richer than me, and there's people that built
way bigger businesses. But to touch that cover is like
every businessman, entrepreneur's dream.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I have guys that worth like hundreds of millions
of dollars. They gave me like, oh, you did it,
And I'm like, bro, you did it, mother, you did it.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
For real, you got it, got it right now? Liquid.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
But I just think it's a it's a really cool
thing to come out of cancer and then touch that
cover and then get the Age Award and get a
couple other things that we got, Like it's just really
cool and it's just good morale for like the kind of.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Industry I'm in.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was gonna say, how does that change your life
being on that cover, because I'm sure it makes people
look at you in a lot different Two ways.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, No, I mean one, people put more respect on
the business conversations.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
But two, everyone thinks.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
You just got it, got it, got it, Like they
just seen that word like four hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
You could tell me, let me get a half a meal,
let me get let me bo man like, manvest is
two mil behind my company. I know you guys's like
bro like yo, like this this this evaluation that they're
putting on me as a person, you know kind of
like relies on the businesses performing, executing and like you know,

(07:13):
exiting one day, right, that's what the value of my businesses.
And so it was kind of put a lot of
things in perspective. You see even the rich rapper list
that shit was trippy to that's just crazy because that
fourth or fifth I was in before crazy. And then
you put yourself next to rappers like yeah, Doctor dre
jay Z, Kanye Diddy and like people like well, man

(07:37):
Bird's not really rapper. I'm like, wait a minute, hold up,
I do got forty nine albums out. I've been rapping
since two thousand and six. People are saying, well, he
got other businesses, wall so that.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Everybody else, everybody else got, you know, at the times
to rock and you know roten Nation and I mean yeah,
all kind of different.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
A whatever you call it, same thing.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
It's the same exact thing, except differences in Mexican and
a fucking low key underdog and so it's it's cool
as fun to see that they recognized me on that list,
because that list. I always dreamed about about being on
a list like that, and I always said that that
people are overlooking what I built. And I just remember
one day kind of throwing a fit on Twitter, like, man,
I wish they would look at my ship. And so

(08:20):
when I actually was like, well, i'd beat down to audio.
And that's a really deep audit. They have to look
at everything that you have, your assets, your businesses. It's
like a real They can't just put that ship out
to make the.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Cash, isn't They call it not just just hip hop's health,
you know, wealthiest whatever, maybe.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Top five wealthiest, you know. So they did that and
yeah that ship hit.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So they like really like they turn over all the
pages and look into your ship for real, for real.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, they do, like a real AUDITIVI for sure. Oh wow,
it ain't no for gazy ass number going out here.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, no, hell no, No, that's that's a real number.
It's a real situation. It's a real it's just all
around like they're not gonna they're not gonna play you
on that like they're not gonna play themselves. It's real
publications with real credible writers and just you know, they're
they're not playing they're not playing no games with that list.
That list is very strategic, it's very they do a

(09:13):
good job of due diligence.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I had to have them talk to like business managers
and the people that do my taxes, and yeah, that's
just real.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
They're like talking to CPA and all that.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
CPAs are looking at like properties, they're looking at the
actual like are you say your business sport this Like,
let's let'sten to the actual audit of your businesses to
you know, let's get it proper.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
What what did you.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Raise at last time you raise? You know, like it's
it's real as fun.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's crazy because you've obviously, you know, we've kind of
seen cookies go from like you know, I remember the
first time I smoked cookies was with two chains and
probably two.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Thousands ten shout out to ty.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
That was around the time Yoko was getting played on
the radio out there when I was on the That
was that was around that time. And I remember you
be coming out the Vegas kicking with Franny and shit,
and I kind of had.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Like really got hit to you.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
But it's just wild to see like the like, was
there ever a point in time, let's say in twenty
ten eleven, where you ever could imagine that you'd.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Be turning down some of the exits.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm sure you've already been offered and you'd be on
the cover of a publication like Forbes.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Did you ever see it? Nah?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
But I always knew too, Like at the end of
the day, it's all about how much work you put
into your craft, right, like if you stayed dedicated to
your craft. Man, Like even last night, Dude, I got
home last night and I just passed the fuck out
hard nine pm, out like dead body.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
My girls will goodness, Morney, do you remember how you fell? Steve?
I'm like, nah, Like, man, you were fucking out.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
And just because I just work all day long, so
I never a pictured be in this position because I
was always an underdog. I felt like I always had
to prove myself to somebody. I always had to work
harder than others. But I also knew that like one
of my first true believers and what I do, like
one of my first actual investors and partners, and you know,
he told me, he's like, bro, Like I don't really

(11:07):
quite know where you're trying to go with the rap.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
But I do know one thing.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
He's like, Bro, you don't stop, and people that don't
stop and no queer are the ones that hit. So
I'm gonna stick with you. You should just stick with the pack.
You're good at selling pack. I want bags from you,
and I think that you'd be better. I've just focused
on selling bud But like, man, you just won't stop
with this rap shit, and so I have to stay
behind you. I'm gonna keep pushing you because that's what
motherfuckers like you aren't gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And that's stuck with me. I'm like, you're right.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Even the current state of cannabis right now, like the
wee game is fucked up, a lot of people falling out,
a lot of people suing each other, a lot of
people hating each other, a lot of businesses going under,
a lot of grows failing, a lot of stores failing.
You know, but we're still relevant as hell. We're still
going because we still put that passion into it, Like
we still care about this shit.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do you think it's awesome?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Because you guys have a dope business model I think too,
which is not necessarily dependent on any because I'm sure
where if people don't understand, like you guys will part
Like you guys have partners all over the country. Right,
It's not like if you see a cookie store in Detroit,
it's the same as.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
The cookie store in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, and I'm sure some places it is the same partnership, right,
But for you guys, like you guys have kind of
like put put together such an incredible business model on
the storefront side, at least where you know it's a
quality control situation where you obviously have to vet whoever
you partner with. But at the same time, it kind
of puts you guys in a position where you know

(12:31):
people are buying into the name and the brand because
the brand is so prestigious.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's like it's an asset light business model. We're not
raising hundreds and millions of dollars, which allows me to
stay in control. A lot of other people that raise
hundreds and millions of dollars in the skin, yeah, they
lose all their equity. I've maintained a lot of equity
bro a lot. And but what it does is like
it does three things.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
We're able to.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Say asset light, we're able to expand faster anyone else.
We're also able to cherry pick the best operators and
in each market as they open up. So you know,
albert Querque, New Mexico, we opened up eleven three right
November three. That's probably one of our best menus in
the whole country that we looks almost better than some

(13:13):
of the weed in California. The menu is extensive, thirty
genetics on the menu, store fully built out like we
got cherry picked those partners that were dedicated us Nirvana
and Arizona.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm gonna say it took you a very long time
to get the Arizona and that was a passionate.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, we fucked up the first time we did
a deal with the only players in the game, and
they pretty much just shelved they fucked the weaed up,
but they also shelved our growth. But now we found
some independent guys that you know, the team in Nirvana
that understand what this brand means. They put the quality
and we turned down enough badges until it was time
to go, like, bro, it's not hiding, it's not boom.

(13:48):
You got it and they doubt it, and they doubted
it even more from the opening, and so it allows
us to partner with the right people all around the country.
And a lot of people say it's like a franchise.
It's not like a franchise because anyone can open up McDonald's. Yeah,
you guys are being selective on who you're gonna let
We're being selective on who we're gonna fuck with. We're
being selected on which markets are mature enough to open up.

(14:11):
And we're also just really understanding that, like, there's nothing
easy about managing hundreds of partners, right, It'd be easier
to raise the money and to build out your shit
yourself in theory, because then you're the one.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Controlling all that.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
There's a lot of egos, there's a lot of there's
a lot of politics, there's a lot of personal you know,
interaction you have to do when you have that many partners.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I like that shit.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, And it also kind of removes the like bureaucracy
that you would have to deal with in each city
and market because at the end of the day, like
you said in the week Game, unfortunately it's full of
like a lot of cool people, but it's also full
of like on the corporate side, bro.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Like this trash bro.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like I missed the medical days so much. You know,
when it was medical, it was a big risk till
when people were having to put their neck on the
line and it just was a lot more pure. As
soon as it went legal, A bunch of people that
had no business being in this business got in this business,
and they started getting in you know, partnerships with legacy
guys and kind of changing the way that they think.

(15:11):
And what's really the real goal. I mean, if you
look at the two things I'm truly passionate about food
and weed, it's there's two things that really bring people together.
No matter where you're from, no matter where you're at
in the world, you can connect over food or we right,
so like, I'm in it for a bigger purpose.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I know the brand has value.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I know there's going to be some money associated with this,
with this position later on life. But for right now,
it's a struggle to maintain, to stay relevant, to deal
with all these different partners, make sure everyone's happy, everyone
feels like they're getting the attention in need. But I
wouldn't change our business model or the situation we have
over anything. It's cool to connect with people all over

(15:50):
the world. And you said it not just in the country.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
But all over the world.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
From Thailand, we got Thailand. We're about to open up London,
you know, medical side of London. We're in Spain, We're
in Amsterdam, We're in Israel. We're selling weed in Germany
right now. Like it's cool to connect with people all
over the world over something you created.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
From you know, the ground up in your house. It's
cool es, it's wild. Man.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You obviously went through like some public disputes with some
old partners that were coming out trying to sue you.
Did you end up getting any of that?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Resolve? Was the latest with that? Nah?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Those things take years, and those things are like mentally
training and financially training. But like you know, I said it,
and I can only talk very little on it, but
like I know one hundred percent that we're in the
right and that when everything comes to life, people will
be like, damn, that boy went through all that for
what right? And so I feel very confident where we are.
No one's gonna come take cookies for me. I am

(16:47):
cookies right. No one's going to remove any of the
partners that helped me build this along the way, And
I think that's part of the unfortunate thing about building
something big is when you build something big, people will
try to come take that shit. But growing up, I
didn't give up my lunch at school. I'm not going
to start doing it now. And I'm also not going
to jeopardize what we all build together as a community

(17:07):
because a lot of people feel attached to Cookies and
I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
A lot of people got tattoos.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
There's a man in Tucson right now with your portrait
and the Cookies logo.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
On his belly. Yeah, that's real, right, that's a real
human being. I sold my own eyes.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, And so the easy way out would be just
to bow down and take something from them and just
step But like, no, dude, people are fully invested in
this vision and this brand and what we built together.
It's not just my shit, it's our shit. All these
operators around the world, they believed in what we built together. Right,
So I'm fighting for it, bro, and I feel like
we're gonna win at the end of the day. I

(17:41):
feel like we're going to come out on top. It's
just going to take a lot of mental strength, It's
going to take a lot of capital, right right. That's
why I stay grinding and it's gonna just take dedication
and loyalty.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
From me and my partners. That's it. Man.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
How do you deal with coming out of getting through
cancer and then having to deal with just a whole
another hurdle. Obviously you got, you know, stuff in your
personal life going on as well. You know, you're you
it just you know, you got to have some mental
fortitude to really get on the other side of a
battle with cancer.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, the fucked up thing is that that lawsuit started
as soon as I got sick, so that so they
were both happening at the same time. Yeah, I was like, well,
when I found out I was sick, the kind of
conversations kind of happened when I was knee deep in
chemo and I.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Was really, really, really sick. It's ain't a sympathy card
at all.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
It's just like, you know, people could relate to what
it feels like being sick and thinking you're going to
die and also having the threats of your business being
taken right like it was on purpose, hey man, wild
timing on their end, right, right. Maybe they didn't plant
it that way, but that's the way it worked out.
And so it was kind of tough but like it
really put everything in perspective for me. I'm like, well,

(18:47):
first of all, I really got to stick around, right, like,
I'm really not gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I can't go nowhere now.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
And it's really really made me realize like the good,
precious moments, like you know, with pure things outside of business.
And so, you know, for me, that's why the cubs
that Forbes cover felt good coming out of that ship.
It was like a band. I'm being recognized. I'm getting
my flowers while I'm here. That's why the Adage Award,
the Klio Ward, these are all big, you know, big

(19:15):
fucking globally recognized platforms that recognize what we're doing. And
so it just was the motivation I needed to keep fighting.
But cancer was really really hard on me. I have
major PTSD from that shit, and I'm noticing more and
more people getting colon cancer at a young ass age
and it's just scary, bro. It's just like really really
and like a lot of men don't go and get

(19:35):
checked for that shit, no, because the symptoms are so
I didn't have zero symptoms. I had early sagetree colon cancer.
That means another six months of letting that ride. It
would have took my ass out, So I probably would
have had a year or so. If I would have
waited six months or more to even get checked, I
probably would have had a year or two years at most.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
The hardest thing for me.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Watch was like the brother, you know, a shout out
to his whole family, his kids and his wife. He
but you know, seeing the inky boys go through that
we found out at the same time, you know what
I mean. And I'm just like, damn, bro, like that
shit hurt and it hit hard because I'm like, damn,
everyone's gonna have a chance to make it through this.
And so I just take a lot more calmer approach

(20:18):
on life and like stress and I just I feel
blessed to even be here, bro. And that's why I
try to tell people when people get stressed out about
money and things that's going on. But today's world, I'm like, bro,
like it's just stuff with You're alive, man, Like you
can't you can't even downplay how big that is right now?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Brother, that is I think that some people forget that
what was the like what made you get tested for it?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Was it just like a.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Normal run of the male doctor's visit, nah, because I
was with the doctor already that wouldn't even have ever
looked for that.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
It was like some weird, like universal gut feeling I
just had. I just woke up one day, was looking
at my window. I'm like, damn, I actually got a
good life here. Things are going good. I'm successful. I
feel like Cookies is going to be something incredible that's
going to live forever. Like what am I actually missing
in life? That where am I missing at?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Maybe health, Like I'm you know, I'm losing a little weight,
I'm not as big as I used to be. But
maybe I should like get myself a private doctor to
really look into what I got going on, because you know,
I just want to make sure I'm good. It's crazy
because five years before this, I had a fear of
having Summit cancer like my mom. I went and got
a kolonosk be one hundred percent clean. Wow five years.

(21:32):
So in five years, in five years that cancer developed
and got to early stage three.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And so I picked a random mass.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I picked a random ass day to call my partner
or Parker and asked them, do we know any concier doctors,
any private doctors that could actually care about me as
a human and really looking at me. And we found
a doctor that was not only you know, willing to
take me on, but he's also an investor into our business,
and he's the only doctor in the country that did

(22:00):
does this test, the gallery test. So when I went
to go see me, it's like, yo, we can run
you know, all your blood work and make sure it
could But like this new test came out two months ago,
I want to run on you and test for cancer
for fifty types of cancer student blood. I'm like, let's
run it. That's how you find this shit. And an
article came out like maybe like three weeks ago. I'm
kind of like one of the first people that publicly

(22:22):
took that test, found that I had cancer, addressed it,
and made it through the situation. So there's a big
debate about this test right now, and not a lot
of doctors want to take it on because false positives.
That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life.
I saw a work for me, saved me. That's why
I'm here right now. And I appreciate about this. Every

(22:44):
time I get a chance that that test should be available.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean, it feels like an easy test to take too,
Like in terms of like do you think, like, yeah,
it's a blood test, blood test, and I would rather
get a false positive and think I'm going to have
cancer for a week and a half until they go
look inside my body and then find out them.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Good, right then like not know anything at all.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, because you got doctors that are doctors are I mean, man,
you got good doctors. You got doctors are just getting
checked like teachers doctors and teachers kind of it's like
anything in business, doctors being a doctor's business.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
And you know, some of the institutions like even though
they're good doctors, they just don't have the bandwidth. Like
if you're at Kaiser Permanente, you're seeing four thousand patients, right.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
How could you actually truly keep up with one of
those patients?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Facts like, even if you're a really good person, even
if you don't have a hidden agender, you're not getting raid.
Yeah you can't. Your bandwidth is going to be done.
You're not gonna be able to keep track of average.
And so you know, for all my people out there
with money that got money that care about their health,
you know, the new flex is getting concer doctor Yeah,

(23:50):
all the rad cats out there living fast on the road,
not eating so well, Like, you know, fuck that Gucci belt,
fuck that fuck that new whip, you know, fuck that
new chain.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Get yourself a concier doctor and make sure you pay
attention to your health. That's the new flex. Really, that's
some real shit.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And so you've you've made so much money over the years,
what are some of the I always wonder when people
because I started to make like money, where I need
to figure.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Out every year how to not pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
What are some of the tips the tidbits you've picked
up in the last decade or so since you've been
dealing with you know, certain quantities of legal money.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
The thing is, I know a lot of shit you
could do, but I'm just too stubborn to change my lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like you could live in Miami, you could live in Nevada,
you could live in places where state tax.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
You could live in Puerto Rican pays zero tax. But like,
do I want to change the quality of my lifestyle
to save a little bit of bread after cancer?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Especially?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Hell no, Yeah, I'm just gonna pay. You know, it
is frustrating. You get a million dollar check, you got
to give over a fifty percent of that to the
government right up the top. Like if I got twenty
million dollars right now, I'm a to give over ten
million dollars to the.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Government right now for what right, But I'm not going
to use in those tricks now.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
The one thing I just learned recently is that you're
allowed to gift up to X amount of money a year,
you know, without it without it being taxed, you know,
to someone you love. So I'm gonna start making sure
every year I put X amount of money as a
gift aside from my kid as tax free at least
you could have that.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
So that's one thing I learned, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
But otherwise, like it's really all about like where you
live and where you reside and like things you could
write off. And the fucked up thing is because I'm
burned because I'm cookies. I get audited every year anyway,
so I'm sure they just find it.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Your has to be like super buttoned up. But you know,
if you get a tour bus, like your bus, that's
a big ass right off.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know. Yeah, No, it is for the business. It is.
It's a good way to travel.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's a good way to brand your shit too, So
you know, I would just say, like, look, man, just
pay attention to your ship. If you go out eat,
take pictures of your receipts. If you're paying cash. You
can write off a lot of things as it entertainer
your outfits.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know, some of the things you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yo, I gotta ask you.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
You're a big alien guy.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And recently things have gotten like it feels like, for
whatever reason, the last like twelve to eighteen months, they
keep kind of just like sprinkling little like breadcrumbs, preparing
us for the inevitable.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
In my opinion, you know, whether it's the.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
That hearing with that dude who blew the you know,
the pretty much said that we're in possession of alien
aircraft or whatever the hell. And then there's the Mexican
to look. I don't know, I don't know how legit
that one was. I believe that shit.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I believe it too. I believe it.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I mean, look, if you go back, like maybe seven
or eight years ago, there was that guy who was
in the Canadian Parliament talking about it. But yeah, man,
like this shit is crazy, Like we used to all
the Mexican aliens, like what were your thoughts? Because they
really bowled them out like an official Mexican government.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Like, now that shit's official. Here's the problem with the world.
We've been lied to and fucked with us for so
long that every single time someone posted something, it's just
memes and and people.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just social media jokes, and that's what they want.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't want us to think, like, you know, there's
a there's a bigger purpose out there. There's something that
we totally don't even know about. There's not there's something
that maybe higher people in our civilization actually communicate with
and get game from.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
If you look how fast the world grew.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It went from fucking riding horses to whips and iPhones
and shit for in a small amount of time.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's coming from somewhere.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Some geniuses just wake up, like I can fucking make
it till we can bomb them. Now we're getting gained
from somewhere, right, And so I believe that shit. I
also believe that they're never going to tell us what's real.
They're probably just trying to prepare us for some kind
of bullshit agenda. But there's a lot of truth in
some of that bullshit as well. So I if it's
me talking, I know there's a bigger purpose out here.

(28:04):
The gut feeling I got that day to go find
a conc here doctor Brom.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like that was bigger than just like me thinking that
I should get a private doctor. There's no reason why
on that day I even felt that in here, in
your gut, your second brain, right. I've been watching like
a lot of near death experience stuff because obviously I
had a near death experience in my opinion, I didn't
just die and wake up, but like I came close
to it.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
So in watching all that stuff, I just.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Understand there's bigger purpose as as conscious as like the
universe goes.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And so I believe that little alien was real.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I believe that Mexico was the first one is actually
so something they've been holding. I feel like all these
civilizations are uncovering, like and and you know in the
Jungles and ship, all these different pyramids were seeking man
and no humans built that shit.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Bro fuck out of here, bro. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Like it's crazy too that like some of them are
so they match up other pyramids that are so.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Far apart, well, they align with the stars perfectly.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
They're all like in strategic guys, you know places in
the world that like will line up with like the
universe perfectly.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
And I mean whatever. Also, I know.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
That humans have dumbed down hard since back in the day.
It's like and that's what they want. Like, they put
so much bullshit in propaganda, and they've created the word
like conspiracy theories and all that stuff so that way
that things that are real, Like look at all the
people in my seeing UFOs back in the days, it
made them seem like fucking looney bins, dude.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean I think they're like just like if you
were to go back twenty years and if some of
this news would have broke, how big of a deal
it would.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Be compared to now.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And now it's like no one cares because no one
gives a fucking whatever bullshit.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
They're worried about like how to make the next dollar,
who's bitch cheese on who? Or fucking what Kim Kardashian
is doing. Yeah, they're worried about some shit that's like, Yo,
my man, they just showed an alien from.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
A thousand aliens.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's a thousand years ago proofs were not alone a
little motherfucker look real.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
As fucked and like they're happy seeing them comments right now.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
The thing is is, like I think once people really
like have to realize, there'll be a moment where they
have to really like be like, oh, it kind of
like it, you know, for me, I know it's gonna
make a lot of people who grew up super religious,
who grew up believing certain things. It's gonna kind of
poke a lot of random holes in the dude. Besides
on that, have you ever seen Judah in the Black Onside?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
All right, Like, look how the government did them? Bro,
Look how they did the panthers? Right, Like, Bro, they
will do things to fuck you off, right, Like, I'm
not gonna say no names. I don't want to know
smoke with nobody. But I think there's people in our
in our culture right now that cause a lot of
trouble on the end, on the internet and with other celebrities.
I believe they're working for the CIA. That's that's my

(30:48):
honest being. I'm like, Yo, there's no way this guy
is constantly trying to tempt people and throw people out
their game and get them to say or do other
things that might put them in jail. It's been their
agenda against minorities for a long time.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I think like there is some sort of like and
like you said, that word conspiracy theorist has gotten. It's
gotten to the point where like you can't question anything
without being called crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Do that have fact checkers doom? Well?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
And to me, it's like, you know, I remember when
conspiracy theories were like.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Nine to eleven and you'd be like, oh, you know,
let me look into this.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
But now it's like if you question anything, they put
you in that box. Like I look at you know,
RFK Junior, who's somebody who I think it's dope. You know,
I've watched his interviews and I don't think he's said
anything crazy, you know what I mean. I just think
he's just a curious dude who's wants to question shit.
But they are so they just put him in that box.

(31:48):
And then people who don't do the work or the
like my mom, Like I told my mom, I was like, hey,
I fuck with RFK, and she.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Was like, he's a fucking kook, he's crazy. And I
was like, have you ever heard him speak like.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
He's asking he's at least addressing the real world issues. Yeah,
he's addressing the fact that like multiple corporations really run everything.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's a concern which should be the number one thing
everyone should be worried about.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
That's a concern. Monopoly sucks. Yeah, the Guard, the Black Rock,
and State Street.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Are like kind of running your entire life and no
one's talking about it. But but but that also might
be the reason why he's he's getting boxed out, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I mean, he's the only presidential candidate that doesn't have
secret service at his disposal.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
And someone trying to just run a bom. Yeah. So
you know, the world is full of hidden agendas.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
The more older you get, more money, you touch some
more bull should you deal with like this, Shaw, I'm
jahn with with these lawsuits and powerful groups and big
money guys. You realize that, Yo, this shit's real dog
Like it's different. Like it's different, It's definitely different. You
mentioned having forty nine albums. I always say this.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
When we talk about just consistency as an MC, as
a rapper, as an artist.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I feel like you're one of the most consistent guys
in the game.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
You've always been extremely I mean no matter what was
going on in your life, you always have the time
to you know, hone in and create and make an album,
more collabor with an artists to make a project for you.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Like you know, obviously it's a passion thing.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
But like for whatever reason, is it's still bother you
that maybe you don't get the acknowledgement or the accolades
or the.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Flowers as a rapper that you do for all the
other shit.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Nah, because I knew if I put one hundred percent
energy behind music, it'd probably be a lot bigger, right.
And I argue with my DJ, you know tep on
this too, about changing our setup and trying new things.
I just told my I said, bro, it's a bandwidth issue
at this point. Like I'm running cookies, clothing. I'm running
cookies and we business. I'm running vibes, papers, I'm running
you know, this compound and our media as you know

(33:57):
company that we're trying to build, and I have so
much time for music. I told the music is my therapy, bro,
Like I don't really look at like it's my business.
If I treat it more like a business, I probably
make way more money, I probably get way more respect.
I've had people like to chains to be like, bro,
like why don't you be like our like Mexican version
of Rick Bross, Like you got that talk, you got

(34:18):
that respect, Like people fuck with you, but you're not
putting enough respect on like your image and the way.
I'm like, Bro, I'm just a real dude. Bro, I
don't really be tripping off, like really trying to build
myself as this big old facade. Yeah, like like you're
not a character. No, I just feel like music is
a good it's a good therapy for me. It's a
challenge for me to still to try and stay relevant
after all this time. It's a it's a way for me,

(34:41):
like to be creative outside of like all this other stuff.
I have fun doing it, but I don't treat like
my number one priority. I feel like if I did,
I could be like a French Montana or something like that. Right,
Like I could be looked at as like a bigger artist, right,
I could wear jewelry every day and glasses and be
fitted up. But like, I'm comfortable in this rest shit
right now. I'm rich, motherfucker. I don't need to show it, right,

(35:02):
Like for what, Like my new flex is not the flex.
I got a pair of earrings on, but I'm not
worrying my you know, twenty different rings. I'm not wearing
big old chains or I'm not really worried about my
outfit so much. I don't give a fuck. All the
billionaires I meet look like fucking bumps. They pull up
looking real humble, and some dress down that shit. And
that's how that's what I want to be like at

(35:24):
this point. Like, bro, if you've seen the whip I'm
driving in right now, I gave the mayback truck back.
I'm like, bro, fuck all this flashy shit.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
There's the world knows I got it, so why even
try to prove it anymore?

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Let's get back to the interview.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Now, I feel you I'm on that safe shit when
I mean, obviously I'm much lower over lower level, but.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Like, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
You know, I have ow a nightclub now and Scott's
still you bet you were there. But my partners man,
they love the beamers and they.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Get that's just oh I feel like that's just you're
just rubbing that shit in people's faces.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Care Yeah, I don't care. My wife is a nice whip.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I drive my car that I don't mind driving to
the band and putting miles on, and you know, my
wife is sitting nice.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
And I feel like I feel like right now we
learn a lot like recipes to P and B bro
like and recipes, so all these other situations, all these
other people that are losing their lives, But like, I
feel like, right now, the world's in the most fucked
up position we've seen it in our generation. Besides two
thousand and eight, people are broke, people are hurting.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
It feels it does feel though the energy is not
the same in terms of like literal loss that's happening
in a wait, but it feels almost like like you
could feel it.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
The amount of calls to get every day for people
trying to get money or trying to figure out ways
to make money, or people feeling the loss of motion
is crazy. And so I don't want to be the
one to be rubbing no shit in people's faces right now.
Rather just stay okey, do my thing. But as far
as music goes, I'm gonna keep trying like I'm gonna
keep doing my thing, having fun with it. I know,
me and O Jeezi are locked in for next month

(40:04):
to knock out a EP, which will be dope.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Brings some good young energy around for sure. You know
you let him use the bus before.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, that's my little bro right and and I think
he's super dope. And I'm like, let me get next
to O Gz and just kind of soak up some
of the energy real quick. I already got the beats
picked out, you know. Rory called the other days like, Bro, like,
do we need some man? They pick beats I'm like, bro, Bro,
you are great. You are there's one thing you do well.
You picked fucking.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Beats man for me and no JEZ project. I got
some ship. You are great.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
You're great an r Yeah, that's why I told Roy. Yes,
I said, Bro, I don't like to say this too often, but.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I got us that record you dropped, one of my
favorite records you dropped recently.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
It was you, Conway Jayda. Who else was on that record?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It was me, Conway, Mazi Mazi uh styles P.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, it wasn't Jaya styles and styles P And that
shit was crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, sh it was hard, but I got the me
and O g Z project lined up. I got me
and Larry June want to do another one, but I wanted.
I told them I want to take the time and
have all live music being placed and we could performing
that ship with the band Me and Mazzi got another
one coming. I already got individuals too. Yeah, I already
got the beats picked. Me and Bureau, got a full
album already done, produced by Scott Storch. I just need

(41:17):
to find the time to like added like two more hooks,
maybe like three features.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
You would be real.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Haven't done anything for a while, I mean at least
what it's been like six seven.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Years, no four now Lost Meadows was the last that
was a great album.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Just happened during COVID and we've got you know, yeah
we got discouraged because the album was so good. But
then for COVID, we just got fucked on the promo
for it. But yeah, man, I got me and o
g Zy, I got me, and Mazi got me, and
Larry June, I got me, and be real, I'm gonna
bring one back with my brother and Pacino, you know,
for old school purposes, just old school mob sound. But

(41:55):
I'm going all group projects right now for a while.
I feel like I've done a good amount of solos.
I'm just let me just go group projects and just
bring different energies out.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Have you had the opportunity to tap in or meet
or at least check out Mexican Ot?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, I mean I was supposed to be involved in
this project. Something fell through the cracks. But I got
a call by like, you know, potentially helping the A
and R hist project and like sitting with him and
helping pick beasts and come up with just like features
and things like that because someone else recognized Chinese ships,
recognized the talent for the year, but something got lost
in communication.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
But he's a good kid.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I still want the opportunity though, because I feel like
he's a Doe Baz artist. He has a lot of potential.
He's blowing the fuck up, and I feel like, you know, shit,
if I just sat with him for one album, I like,
I'll bring on some shit. He don't even know what
he got yet. And I feel like he's got a
good sound, he's got a good look, he's got like
a good momentum. But shit, ot, I know the first project,

(42:52):
things slipped through the cracks. I'm running a billion dollar business.
It wasn't on purpose. If you hear this sit down
with me for one project us, I bring a whole
different world out for you brothers, just on some just
whole different vibe with the production, with the features, with
the rollout, like and you know, I think that.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Kid's got a lot of potential.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I wonder like you sitting back and kind of seeing
because we're talked about how like you know, for whatever reason,
the Bay gets overlooked when you're thinking like.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Stories and how you know, it gets covered.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I mean, I think lately, unfortunately, most of the stuff
we hear about the Bay and the news world like
nationwide is real negative. You know what I'm saying, It's
fucked up out here, whether it's the smashing grabs or
the bippin or you know, whatever the case is. For you, Like,
what do you think is you know, because because if
you go through the city, if you go into San Francisco,

(43:43):
it's a lot of different place than it wasn't five
years ago, four years ago, you know what I mean?
Like for you, what do you think is the remedy?
And what do you think is the cause of kind
of all the chaos in the.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Bay right now? Man, it's gonna be a touchy subject. Bro.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I'm just gonna be real, bro, because at the end
of the day, I'm not I didn't make it as
far to stay is about things. I think they just
let the city go to shit on purpose. They gentified
the fuck out of San Francisco. They moved all the
people that are from there out of there, so the actual.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Care and love is not really there anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
From people that grew up in neighborhoods like Hunter's Point
or Lakeview or the Filmore District or the Mission. They
just moved everyone out. They brought big tech in. Big
tech got spoiled, they got you know that, they start
turning the city into what they want to. Even the
neighborhood I grew up in on California and Feelmore. My
dad's restaurant used to be on top of our on
the bottom of our apartment complex, and then there'd be

(44:31):
like a movie store, there'd be a pizza shop, there'd
be a coffee shop, there'd be this Mexican restaurant. It's
all boutie clothing stores around. I was like, who the fuck,
what the fuck? This ain't the neighborhood no more. This
is something like I in techie shit and so I
think the biggest problem with SF is that I got
gentrified and they got way too liberal. Like, Bro, I
like how liberal the barry is. I grew up getting
money because of the laws of how liberal it is.

(44:53):
But Bro, they smash and grab shits some some chump
ass shit. Bro, And like the fact they just let
it ride like that, like the in fact you could
walk into Walgreens and just take whatever you want and.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Walk out and not worry about going to jail.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
It's bullshit because at the end of the day, Bro,
we got kids, and I want my kids to feel
safe when they go do their thing in the city.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
You like, if your daughter was eighteen nineteen, because she's
getting there right sixteen, you know, you would not feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
With her going shopping by herself in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I send somebody with her because I know what it is.
I know that there's a risk for her car to
get broken into. I know there's a risk for someone
to steal someone out of her hand and just move.
And so this is the bear area, y'all. We grew
up selling packs, getting money out of the bitch. We
grew up, you know, doing what we had to do.
We're real hustlers with this home of the independent blueprint
for sure. Forty JT. The bigger figure. We own our

(45:42):
own masters. We were taught how to hustle from our mouthpiece.
I feel like that's where I am.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Where I am in life.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
It is because I was bred by the real ones,
were real game. Bring it back to that, dude, go
pick up, go go get back with this shit.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Go hate to say it as a father, if a
teenage we go break a bitch, Go go go sell
a pack, Go go build an independent fucking portfolio of music.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Go do something dope. Man.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
All this other shit is hell a petty It just
it's trash, and like, that's not what we represent. I
see some big players speaking out on it, some real
ones that did a lot of time out of the
Oakland area shout to little d and shouts the real ones,
the real players. We're players in the Bay area. We're
go getters, we're independent husters. We're a different breath than
anyone else. Just put that respect back on the area

(46:31):
because right now we look like a bunch of little
petty ASTs and that's not what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I have just talk all the time, because you know,
I'm a fucking pretty liberal dude. You know, like I
voted Democrat most of my life, my whole life, me too,
And you know it's like it's like, at what point
in time, It's like, yo, what do they do?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I feel like they're getting too liberal, bro, They're letting
this ship fall and this is.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
My belle shit, Like it's like that's coming to La
to first. I'm like, y'all think LA is bad right now? Yeah,
but let me tell you why.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Though I'm a preach man, I feel like they're doing
this shit on purpose so they can implement other laws
that weighs supersede any of this shes so y'all can
get away with some bullshit right now. Keep sucking up
our program, keep making us a look crazy, and they're.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Gonna come They're gonna come in and be like.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
You know what, due to all this problems, we're going
to put in this law right here that's boom boom
boom boom boom running by WHOA, so everyone's to show
you're scan your.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
ID before you even enter them all soon.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
It just I feel like China is leading the way
for like the social credit score ship and they're leading
the way for like this non real lifestyle, like they're monitoring.
They're the real big brother right now. And I feel
like what they're doing in the US, especially in democratic areas,

(47:50):
is they're letting this ship fall apart on purpose so
they can implement bigger laws that just affect and take
all of our freedom away. That's just my opinion. I
could be high.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Maybe guys have been smoke a little too much fun.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
There is something to be said about like that social
credit score ship, because it already kind of feels like
it's happening.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Like look, yeah, it's happening. Look at Instagram. Dog, you
act wrong.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You speak about something that I don't want you to
speak about. You get shadow man. They tell you we're
only showing your content to X. My Why who's designing
this ship? That's that big brother shit. That's why you
should join Social club.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Motherfucker. Sh how social Club doing? It's too tough, bro,
I mean bro.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
We built out an app that allows you to upload pictures, videos,
text posts. You could put your whole menu if you're
a trapper or if you have a story, you can
put your whole menu of products in price for free.
Attached to your profile or putting audio comments and audio
caption right. No other platform has it, but doing we'll

(48:48):
fuck with the platform. I'm burnt out on it. I'm
thinking about giving up on it again. That's the one
basics second fare out, which is tech.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Because you're competing with like I mean, but think about this, though,
we're competing with a platform that doesn't give a fuck
about any of us.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
All shit shadow band.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
So when a Facebook tell me, yo, you got two
million followers, you should be at thirteen million followers. But
all the ways you've been in search for, all the
stuff that you've done, the accomplishments you've made, there's no
way I was stuck at one point nine million followers
for two years. You mean to tell me I was
on the cover of Forest magazine and my followers didn't
go up one hundred thousand at all.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Fuck that.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
She's like, you should be at thirteen million at least,
but they're capping your growth.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, I think what it is, man, is unfortunately, like
everyone's gonna go where the attention is, right. So if
you're like a fucking business owner, you want to be
where everybody's at.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It just is what it is.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
So it's like in the same way that like, you know,
like YouTube. Unfortunately, you know, there's other YouTube competitors that
have popped up that like Rumble and shit like that.
But you know, it's like if you got to if
you got a content channel, you kind of have to
depend on YouTube in a certain way because you want,
if you want your shit to scale for real.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's where the eyes are already get people to switch
from Instagram.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I've offered other celebrities equity and social club to help
me build.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
It's like, nah man, it's not gonna work. You know.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I'm like, bro, I put you know, over like two
point five million dollars in.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
A social club toll.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I'm trying to give away equity to people, just help
me build it.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Like, nah man, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
It's just tough because you're you're competing with these guys
in Santa Clara and the Silking Valley, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I mean, at some point people are gonna get sick
having their posts deleted, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
So I think I think.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
What's gonna happen hopefully is once we probably becomes federally legal,
there will be probably like a need for like a
real platform like Social Club, because it's gonna be such
a it's gonna be It's just I feel like there's
there's there's.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Gotta be it. There's gonna be a weed platform.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Twenty years for well, if you sell weed, if you
smoke weed, if you post weed. You should know this
one hundred percent. Mark Zuckerberg fucking hate sweedes, not want Yeah, yeah,
I mean I've heard it from the top. I'm from here,
I live in the barrier. I know people that work
with the homie and so basically he just doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
We keeping keep wet off ig, don't want your pay.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Or just join Social Club and post your weed there, Like,
don't be a fucking pussy start up at the count.
If you really claim you trap or die, ship, you've
put your menu up for free right now on my ship.
Yeah you know ship fuck with me, hey man, Social Club,
I got a profile, will follow me on there? Now,
I got a profile doing really interacts on there. That's
I'll be honest place. It's gonna take us to build it, man,

(51:28):
because I don't even like going there and getting like
no response. I get like forty comments and ship, but
like at the end it's a good platform.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
If we all move over there, then it's you know,
ship is what it is.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yo, You've been so good at building brands. I just
saw Vibes clothing launched. I got a pack shot to
Helmie Luck sent me some gear. But you've just been
so you have a knack for brand building, and that's
the talent.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Cookies obviously is one of the most recognizable brands in the.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
World at this point. It's getting bootlegg everywhere to go
to the santy alleys. There's so much fake cookie shit.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Man, fuck it, let them be cheer right right right, Yeah,
it's like a fucking billboard for you.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
At the end of the day, you go to the
guy that whatever liquor store.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Shady just empty bags for sale for a dollar a piece.
You can get you your cookie bag and stuff whatever
bullshit weaed in there.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Shadiest fun you've seen those, right, Yeah, they even have
like fake grinders and fink like fucking There's been some
cool blue Legs Ship I've seen, but like, yeah, we
we're probably like one of the most number one bout
leg brands out there.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
But when the weed stace, you're definitely number one.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, for sure, but even like on the clothing accessory side,
like I'll see like fake bongs and all kinds of cages.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
But you know, at the end of day, it's like fluw, dude.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
That makes me feel good because if people really want
to take their energy to kind of boot leg what
I'm doing, then it's like that means you're doing something.
If the brands are not getting bout legs something to
worry about it.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
They should worry about that.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I was gonna ask you though, in terms of like
brand building, what are some of the things that like
you could give some game on in terms of maybe
if somebody is starting a new business, maybe it's a
coffee shop, maybe it's a pastry line, maybe it's you know,
what are the kind of the general things that you know,
would you would say are important?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, I'll give you guys like three and then the
rest you gotta buy the book.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I got a book on the way.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
But pretty much like first thing, first, you got to
find your identity. You gotta find your logo and your identity.
You see, cookies got that circle ce and we got
to find on my hands. You want to find your script,
You want to find your identity. I think second thing
that's important is like, find a colorway that sticks out.
We can paint that building blue and you know what
it is. Even in markets where like they won't let
us call the building cookies, not just painted blue. You know,

(53:41):
if there's a medical market we opened up West Virginia,
we couldn't put no signs.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
In there, but that bitch is blue. I know exactly
know what is.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
So find your identity, find your script, find your color way.
And I think the third thing is like you better
be hands on with your shit, because if you're not
hands on with your shit, you're never going to actually
really own and understand your shit. You could pay agency
to build this for, you can do that for. You
can pay people to do marketing. But if you ain't
really on the ground building that shit, then it's not real.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
That's the real shit. Most people like you said, though,
I feel like a lot.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Of people will settle for whatever shitty design to get
back from the graphic designer they paid the first time.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Even deeper.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Now I got hundreds of employees, and some of their
jobs will be like to go see quality and common
in quality. But like when I see something, I'll be like,
can you step a call with the partners from me,
so I can call and be like, Yo, this looks
really good and it burns pretty good, but I feel
like we can do a little better, and I feel
like we do abcfg that can really bring a whole
new product out and yeah, but I don't really know

(54:40):
like if I even have time for that, but I
do it, and by calling them directly, they respect the
fuck out of it and they're fired up that I'm
even paying attention to what's coming out of a random.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Market, right.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
And so I just feel like when you put that
work in yourself, then people will respect you as as
that brand and you'll actually know what's going on all
with your brand. I could be clueless sitting in this
building right now, but yeah, Cookies is great.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
We're fucking the biggest and the best, and yeah, fucking
rock on. Or it could be the way I am
antal about everything. Let me see it, Oh man, we
could change this, or this store feels good, but we
should do this, or like, are are they doing sales
every week? Are they you know, are they engaging with
the customer. I'm so hands on with everything from like
design to flower new products to launches, or products to

(55:25):
partners to you know, drama going on here there. That's
why the business is still what it is is because
I know what's up. Yeah, lose touch your shit, You're fucked.
That's some real shit.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I was gonna ask you in terms of, you know,
you've had a journey that we've all watched very closely,
but there was like a point in time where you
were still probably very much like one foot in, one
foot out on, like still being the guy sending packs
and trapping hard and and and and also the guy

(55:59):
trying to build a business in a career as an artist.
A lot of those things parallel with each other. Do
you remember kind of when was the first time you
kind of got like the peace sleep of like I'm
out of that life, like because at the end of
the day, we're still you're still in the weak game, right,
So it's still the weak games. You're still gonna kind

(56:19):
of be involved in certain type of around certain people
and shit. But in terms of just like really being like, man,
I got through that shit.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
You know what I mean, Like, yeah, when it hit
that ten year mark, yeah, ten years right, I mean
I think it's statue limitations, like seven years maybe it's
ten years. I don't know, but after ten years, so
like not being fucked with for anything ident the past,
I felt good. I mean, we still get targeted and
still get profile, still get questioned and have issues with

(56:48):
banks and stuff like that, but like from the little
shit I did prior in the very beginning of my career. Yeah,
after that ten year of mark, you know, probably.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
You're like, hey, I ain't heard about it yet. I
ain't gonna hear about it, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
But I just chose to walk away at the right time.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
My mom died.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
There's gonna be no one else that could look after
love my daughter the way I would or she would. Yeah,
and I was like, I'm out. It's it took a
lot of dedication. But that again, that's why I feel
like the brand is what it is because I put
it all onto that you could have one foot in
and one foot out, but like you're only giving that
one foot in half attention. Like, bro, I could be

(57:26):
the brown bag boy right now. I could send packs.
I could get more money for weed than anyone else
I could be I know everybody.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I could be killing it, But like, why would I
do that when.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I have cookies potentially being you know, one of the
biggest canvas brands in the world as far as like
being recognized everywhere, right, Like, why did I jeopardize that shit?
And it's tough, it's tempting, and I missed the brown bag,
and I missed hustling and whatnot, But like I just
hustled a different way.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, what would be your advice? Because we see guys
like jay Z popped up.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And had to be a brand and I don't know
what happened with it, because I think it's called le
came in.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
But we kind of see that a version of that
happening a lot with artists, especially artists who don't necessarily
even smoke with right, what would be like, you know,
because because I do feel like there is a misconception
that if you just get it, get your own strain,
you know, man, you see it.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
All the time. We don't even got to say names.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
But there's so many rappers out here who have gone
in and out of just strained deals and hoard themselves
out to so many different guys, and they're on Instagram
talking to doing posts for people about boxes and you
see these terrible It's fucking crazy. There are these like, Yo,
you're getting paid by the trapper in downtown LA to

(58:44):
shout out their fucking telegram, like.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
What are we doing here? Like? Well, the first thing first,
like if I if I was still sending boxes, I
wouldn't pay anyone to shot me out at all. That's crazy.
That's it's crazy. Yeah, you're snitching on yourself.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
So that's just I see that, and I'm like what,
I'm like, Well, it's a commercial for them to come
and get you, brother.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
So you know, it's one thing to shout out like
a different type of weed. Hey I'm smoking this, Like
that's cool, but to say, hey, my guy guarantees touchdowns
and boom boom BOMs.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
You need your boxes.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Make sure you follow so and so bro like they
always touch down, trust me.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
I know.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
So three things.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
One, if I was still trapping the Golden Rules, you
don't even talk about that shit like that, right.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Two, you don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Who the fuck you're validating. You might be validating someone
that's got some crazy shit.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
So one can give you twenty five hundred dollars and
a half a pounds a week for you stamping, who
knows who the fuck they are?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, so you know, artists find deals that are a
little more pure, like maybe you get paid to stamp
a different genetic or you get paid to.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Endorse some brand.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
But like going back to a whole strained thing, like
a strainer is only good if you have someone that
can consistently grow good and could you know, help make
it tangible in other markets.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And I think but the problem is that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Of people get in the week game have one never
sold weed, two don't understand the weat industry, and three
don't really have enough patience to see it through. They
get paid a little bit of bread the biggest thing. Yeah,
they get paid a little bit of bread. They put
their brand on the shelf, they get a line for
the first drop, and then they're not following up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
And a lot of artists are so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Fucking get seated with their Instagrams that they won't even
post the shit the way they're supposed to. They're like
want to post like pictures of their chest and their.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Their jewelry, fucking worried about their Instagram you know. Personestic Yeah,
like you're a static bro. You got a brand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
It's like, dude, like all right, So you know, I
feel like if you're going to try to get in
the we game. Understand what the week game is. First
of all, Right, like I've been smoking weed forever. I've
been in this game legally for like twenty one years already,
so I have an unfair advantage of understanding what's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Work and what won't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
You know, the perfect idea of a celebrity brand that
worked is air Cup I do, and I'm gonna tell
you why it worked because one, she took her time.
I tried to approach her many years ago. She wasn't
ready yet. She took her time to learn to understand
the weed business. She took her time to understand the
weed culture, right. She took her time to wait for

(01:01:14):
a genetic that stood out, that made sense, that was different.
She told me what kind of genetics she wanted. I
told her, I said, Sis, we can give you something
that's ready already. We can start breeding and try to
find something that's that's really gonna check those boxes for you.
She said, take your time, I'm in no rush. And
so it took two years and we present her with Flour,
which is like, is a lemon Cello cross that I

(01:01:35):
really really really like?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Right? So Erica has a real genetic right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Erica took time to understand the business, understands, you know,
the culture. She took time to develop her genetics right.
She also is hands on as fuck, and that goes
back to what we talked about earlier. She's on every
single call, every single creative call. She's a part of
the design process. She's engaged. She's part of the store drops.

(01:02:01):
She's part of like coming up with, you know, new
products and new names for products.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
She actually gives a fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
As a matter of fact, we're supposed to go live
one day and promote one of the drops in the
new market. She said, burn it and fucked around and
he stop my live and shadow band my ass for posting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I said, you're Erica a bad dude. She said, I know.
It ain't that a bit. It might be know what though,
you're putting in the work.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
And so Erica's brand worked because she understood the purpose
of it. She understands it's a medicine actually really connects people.
She loves her, she loves her audience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
It's not a lick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
It's not a lick, but it's a lick. It's not
about money for her at all. We've never I could
be honest to say I've never discussed money with Eric
Abadu about her we business all everyone once. All we
talked about is it being great and resonating with the
people and it being everywhere that we can put it.
And that's all she cared about, right, And so her
brand's going to continue to work, right, And we have

(01:02:54):
some really cool products with her outside the flower, we
got the mushroom tea with her, we got we got
this crazy ass other flower formula that's kind of like
a I think it's like a blue lotus or something
like that that gets you feeling super trippy. She's the
truth and like she took the time and put the
respect for the culture and for her audience to educate

(01:03:16):
them on what this actually is that she's selling anyone
else doing that shit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Did you ever anticipate the Gary Payton thing becoming such
a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
No where people were like wrapping about a smoking out
like Gary Payton, Like it's like was just a real
like staple.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Now it's just a bomb ass weed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yeah, And Gary just made it like even cooler and
you know the whole story how And that's again, it's
an organic situation he's from Oakland, right, He's from Oakland.
But like he didn't like, we didn't plan that out.
That was just like happened random and organically as fu.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, and then you see, I mean every basketball player
has got their own strain now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah, but like again when Gary, he just trusts the process.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Has like anybody, like a guy like Kevin Durant reached
out to you to try to kind of get some game,
because I do see he's trying to get to the
week game a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I've chilled with Kevin hell of times. Yeah, yeah, you know,
like and I've smoked bubble Kevin. Now he's openly talking
about that, right, Yeah, he's openly talking about it because
now players can smoke.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I've gotten big high with Kevin Durant and I fuck
with him a lot, and we have a game plan
for something to do. It just depends whether he still
wants to do it or not. But like I've sat
with him, I've smoked with him, I've kind of presented
a plan for him, and I foke with him because
he actually really smokes big Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah for Haiti gets big high.

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to King Pom.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
I'm about to smoke up right now after this podcast.
All right, let's get back to the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Big I just saw him recently and he was smoking.
It was like in public too. I was like, oh,
you know, it's a give a fuck. I'm glad of you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Actually, that was one of the coolest people I've got
highway that I couldn't say it before, but yeah, I've
got a big.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Who's the coolest person you've gotten with? This has got
to be. I mean, you probably got on with everybody
at this point. Somebody sticks out where you're like, Wow,
I smoked with this person. That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Dude, Dude to me, still be real, dude, Like I
almost gonna be honest, like be real.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Is a guy?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yeah, and he gets he gets really high, and like
when I see him, it's like a reunion of like,
here's the flavors I've been fucking with, here's the flavors
he's been fucking with. We're just rolling back to back
and you know, I just this childhood goal ship. It's
also like he's a legendary weed man too, you know
these years, so like my favorite person.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You know I've gotten high with this be real straight up?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, be real? Obviously tell me how because you was
this Snoop Wiz tour. Was this your biggest tour you've done,
or one of them. At least it felt like one
of the biggest. I think it was still because everyone
was canceling their tours and the tour dates.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Yeah, no one wanted to mention that the Snoop Dogg,
Whiz Khalif a two short, More and G and Burner
tour sold out in every.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Market like and in a time where nobody was selling
out shows, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Was everyone was canceling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
And the coolest thing about this tour for me was
I got the opening slot right. It was DJL shout
to DJ Drama. Drama was there, Drama was there. He
put on, but like it was DJ Drama than me
and then be worn too short with Snoop. And when
I first got offered this show, I was like, fuck,
I got the opening slot about to be fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I'm like, fuck, yeah, because those opening slats of those
ampitheater shows could be they could be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Bro, I've seen it a hundred different ways too, I've
seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Yeah, But the best thing about this show was that
it was never like that. That bitch was eighty five
percent full every time I went on. There's videos the
whole tour. I go on to seven pm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
That bitch is full rocking, nice grown, mature crowd getting
there early, young and grown. But they were there early
because they liked the lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
They didn't want to miss They don't want to miss you,
they didn't want to miss me, they didn't want to
miss Warren g. They didn't want to miss too short.
They wanted to see the whole show. And so you
know that that tour was life changing for me. I
thank Snoop so much for hand selecting that that lineup,
because he didn't hand select that lineup, and I feel
super grateful for that. I got a chance to bomb

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with some of my you know, mentors and some of
the guys I grew up listening to and looking up to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Got chance to show with the tailor game. You know,
that's family.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Me and Snoop got some deals coming out that that
tour that are pretty big. We got cookies by Cookies
coming soon under his food umbrella.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So word cookies, buy cookies.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yeah, just snacks, good snacks like that non confused Palmart.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Baby yo for Snoop, like I feel like have you
because because when we think of weed and hip hop,
we think I think it's Snoop and then I think
it is, and I think it'd be really I think
of you. But in terms of just like the general public,
everyone thinks a Snoop dogg Right, you've done some weed
stuff with Snoop.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
For whatever reason, it feels like Snoop hasn't fully.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Cracked off into space in a way that you would
expect him to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I know you guys have done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Stuff, but have you have you like helped Snoop out
at all in that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
In that space we launched, we launched something together, did hella? Well,
the doggy bag killed it. I mean when we dropped
it and in LA the lines are down the block.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
We dropped it. In other markets, people loved it, was
a good genetic.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
But I think the thing with Snoop is that he's
way bigger than just focusing on a weed brand. He's
he's an international fucking icon. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
I think he's I mean, always tells the people he's
the most famous rapper in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I think he's like famous people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
He's like the closest like and I say this this
may be a weird say he's like the closest guy
to Michael Jackson out there, Like he's knowing like Michael,
everyone knows who snooped dogs everybody. I don't care where
you go, you know who the dog is. You know
who the dog is. So I think that the dog.
I think that Soup loves weed. He's a fan of weed.
He loves smoke good weed. I've gotten high with him

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for years. He's a multiple brands. I think that he's
just so much bigger than trying to focus on a
weed brand. He's focused on like the food category now
with the ice cream and the cereal. Like, I think
he's focused on just like bigger plays that he didn't
really think he'd be able to do. You know when
he was younger, Snoop and I think that Walmart, Yeah,
like that. Yeah, I mean he's not only getting the Walmart,

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he's opening the doors for other people, Like he didn't
have to open that door for me. That's why I
bought him the Rolex at the last day of the tour,
because I was like, you know, I don't even know
if he'll ever wear this watch, but like, I'm so
grateful that he opened up the door for me to
help normalize my myself as a household name, and by
introducing that partner to develop create cookies and to and

(01:12:26):
to actually distributing into places like Walmart. That's big as
fuck for me, and I'm grateful for that. And I
think that I told him that day. I said, you're
the only artist I know that gives back like this. Yeah,
you share your platform, you don't want nothing back. He
told me, Burn I'm simple. You could have brought me
a little bag, and we say, I know I could have,
but like, I wanted to give you this from the
heart because this is what you know in my world,

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Like this is what I've always dreamed about being able
to do something like this, and like this tour a
bought a lot of happiness to my life in a
really dark time. And this tour gave me motivation to
keep making music. And it showed me that around the
country I'm respected all in different markets. I never thought
I would be. And shit, bro, like you opening up
big doors for us. So shout out to Snoop. He's

(01:13:08):
the only guy that actually really shares his platform and
gets back and gives opportunities to other artists when he
ain't got to do that shit at all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
That's that's my role model, really, no Soup.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
I always see him popping up on up and coming
artist shit too, Like just like just randomly, you'd be like, yeah,
Snoop's on like a Zoeld Simmer remix, so he's on
a Scarlet record, like and it's just like, oh he's
not only is he like you know, he's just tapped
in and I feel like he's generous with his energy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Man, Man, that dude ain't gonta do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Dude's caked up for sure, Suop Dog is caked up,
liquidly caked up, and like his money's not in equity wanted.
He's caked up for real, for real, and he don't
have to do none. That shit he's doing, he's doing
because he loves it. And that's the dope thing about
the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Have any of the like you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Know, like when we think of a guy like Diddy,
or we think of a guy like oh, have you
had any discussions with those guys are all about maybe
just kind of gaming them up in terms of the space,
because it is a space that you know, like you said,
it helps to be somebody who came from that life,
you know what I mean, someone who's a smoker, someone
who cares about the culture of cannabis, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I've sat down with Diddy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I had like really really cool like sit down with
him and had a good relationship with him personally. Dude's
a fucking legend, bro, He's an iconic dude for sure.
We actually had the opportunity to talk with jay Z
as well, and you know, it was a very it's
like a thirty minute call, but it was like goalshit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Talk was that just about just about just like cannabis
and like where cannabis is going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
And he gave me a lot of game.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
You know, We're just were sharing thoughts about things and
that's kind of told them that, you know, like my
goal with this business is to leave it to my daughter,
but I would like to find a way to exit
one day and get some liquid. He actually get some
real cash, a couple hundred million bucks. Be cool, and
he gave me some more game on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
How to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I'm grateful for that. I gave him some game. We
talked about doing something. He just never really moved like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
But like I was on the fucking zoom with jay Z.
It was pretty cool. It's crazy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Like I'm pretty cool, you know, talked the whole salute
to him. I'm grateful for the game he gave me.
I hope that he found the game. I gave him valuable.
I'm here if they ever want to chop it up again.
You know, like gave Diddy some good game. He gave
me some good game. You know. So I feel blessed.
Like it's one thing to be on that list. I

(01:15:33):
even just sat down with doctor Dre belt before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Really yeah, like face to face. Yeah, what was the
to face Dre meeting? Like crazy, because that's really for
someone to grow up with that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I told you, I told you I would give you
gems on this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
I fuck with you. You're very consistent with like caring
about my story. But like, yeah, shout out to Slim
the Mobster Man. He made a call back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
In the days yo, Slim the mobster fuck. He went
on aftermath.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
He was in jail and he made a call and
from jail was on the phone, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
You know, I went and went to go sit down
with Dre. They was like not man here, man here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
It was like shooting me away. I was like, Slim,
I'm here, bro, I ain't tried. He said, hold on,
boom boom, boom, and I get let in and I
go sit down, and uh Andre sat down with me
and I and I showed him a jar of what
we wanted to call the Chronic and it was by
far the best looking weed we've ever produced. It was incredible, beautiful.

(01:16:29):
It was orange, purple, funky, stanky.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Just budd looked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
It was like it looked like it was out of
a fucking movie. How good is we looked? I showed
him the Chronic and he was just like, yeah, I
fucked with it. And I appreciate Slim putting this play together,
and you know, we'll think about it, but like, I
don't know if I really want to kind of put
myself in the industry. And I got you know, he
told me, I got money money, and I don't really
want to play with that until you know, maybe it's

(01:16:55):
federally illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I just don't want to risk it. I'm like, what
year is this?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
This was like like three or four years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Oh shit, so not too far not too long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, And I said, I respect that, and I said,
kind of leave this with you for yourself, for those
who smoke. He's like for sure, And I got like
a nervous picture with him. Fred Reck took the picture
for me because he was there. Shott to fred Reck.
But yeah, I think it's cool that like being on
that hip hop list. I think it's cool because like
Dre saw me, he had to see you, like, oh,

(01:17:25):
let's I remember that guy he pitched me on this week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
It's well, yeah, I guess it worked for him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I think it's cool because I got a chance to
share moments with Diddy and I got a chance to
share moments with jay Z and the top four. Yeah,
and I didn't get I've never met.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Kanye, you know, I don't know whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I have no opinion on that, but I'm just saying
it's cool because I've ran into all those guys and
I felt good for them to see me up there
because I told them what I wanted to do and
what I was building at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
And now they see they see the list.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Oh shit, because the same guy that does their evaluation
and it's kind of making sure that you know their
their their network.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Is credible and relevant is doing mine. So it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You know, I was gonna say, when that happens, what
is the whether it's the FORB or that list, what
is like the influx in people just in your DMS
or bothering you or all of a sudden trying to
fuck with you, it's got to be crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
It's crazy, bro, it's crazy. I'm not the answer to
anyone's problems. I promise you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
We're just like I would just see people like like
posting that would just never ever like post about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You or like even like acknowledge your music or what
you're doing, and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
It's like, oh, now you know, now you know this
guy's on the cover of Forbes, and now you know you're.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Fucking I mean, it's kind of cool. You Obviously, the
more successful you get, the more people are gonna come.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
To They're gonna come, They're gonna come and like recognize game.
But like again, for me, it's just it's life goal shit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Because I grew up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Looking up to jay Z, I grew up looking up
to Diddy, who didn't right, grew up looking up to
Doctor Dre. Kanye is fucking No matter what anyone says
about the guy, he's a fucking He's a legend, bro genius.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
He's he's a smart guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
He built he built out easy, hard, and so like
his school sitting next to those guys. It's cool to
like be acknowledged by the same guys that acknowledged him
on a wealth, you know, side of things. But like, fuck,
I just felt good when I came out. I was like, damn,
I was talked multiply these guys. I told what I
wanted to do. I think the coolest thing is, bro, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Just getting started.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, like we just I can't say what, but Vibes
just locked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
In something so big. No, the Vibes papers are going crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I feel like it's I mean, I feel like it's
very hard to take off the top dog, and I
feel like you guys have done a really good job
of like like if I go to any smoke shop
it used to be if I went.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
To a smoke shots shop and I saw Vibes, Oh
you guys got vibes, that's fucking sick. You know, Burner's
my friend. That's cool. It's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Yeah, But like the play we just locked in for
Vibes is so next level, bro, Like and you know
you as we'll see it two years from now because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I probably won't be able to talk about it for
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
But like it's one of those plays that like goes
down to history, bro, and so like I'm just getting started.
So if I made that list now, right, it's crazy
because this alone, yeah a beast of a business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah, mibes just about a hit hard.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
So like you know what, I feel like, Cookies is
nowhere close to where it's going to be, especially because
we haven't really added international as much as we could
possibly in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
So it's crazy because you've dealt with so many uphill
battles in every single one of these spaces you're in,
Like especially like I remember when you had the public
falling out with Josh Raw because it feels like if
I'm a guy who has a company that depends on
weed users and Burner comes into that space, I'm freaking

(01:20:54):
the fuck out because I know it's gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Yeah, well, especially like if by coming to that space,
I getting next to key players that actually make that business.
What's about to be? Because I started getting next to
everyone real quick, yeah, real quick. Like I didn't just
say white label of a rolling paper for me. I
went and found the best rolling paper producer. I went
and found the best specialty I them producer, like the

(01:21:17):
Cali the could you could have been lazy and did
with a lot of people would have then just white
label some ship. Yeah, yeah, we ain't doing none of that.
And so the fact that we start getting close to
real people I think made other rolling paper producers feel
their threat. But that threat shouldn't have been felled till
today because the document that came through my meal today

(01:21:37):
it's serious. Yeah, motherfuckers better feel that threat because I'm
coming for the top space and rolling paper business. And
I say that with confidence when my balls hanging down
to my feet right now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Where do you feel like the shrewd game's going?

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Because it feels like, at least on the black market,
it's the new packs, it's the new it's the new
way to get margins, it's the new way to make
some fucking serious money. Is out extremely illegal to psulicibin,
but in certain places like Oakley. I think San Francisco
now legal or decriminalized. I don't oh yeah, they don't
give a shit about that. I think Strooms is about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
To be a big wave.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
I think it's gonna be just like the cannabis swen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Seems like the next thing that's about to get hoord
out quickly, get corny quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
You know, there's obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
High medicinal purposes for it, especially for therapeutics space.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Like even without psilocybin, mushrooms are good for your body,
that good for your for your for your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Because you have caps.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
You have caps, which is legal mushrooms that you could
go buy at any I mean, I'm assuming any cookies dispensary.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
We actually got like a some kind of like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Some kind of like not a war, but like some
kind of like some kind of acknowledgment in men's health
about caps. But I planned that seed where early caps.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Right, because whenever psylicyber comes to be a thing, you
already have caps.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
I already have caps, and you know, fucking I'll tell
you and whatever. But like we already have a bunch
of different like R and D going on with like
really you know, psilocybin style mushrooms and like just finding
the best, you know, the best type of mushroom and
you know, just kind of like doing our research on
a very small level in the background. So when that

(01:23:17):
time comes we cheat just like genetics, like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, it's nothing, it's nothing different because there's penis envy, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Tidal waves, there's I mean there's a different strains that
do different things that hit you differently that'll give you
different emotional you know, reactions and visibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
And so you know, we're just we're slow playing that.
We got the legal side of mushrooms already on deck.
And they're really good for your sleep and really good
for your daytime, you know, I level, man, Yeah, they're
good for you know, for like the mind and being
sharp and when you know, recreational hits for psilocybin weren't
positioned to introduce it to be ready and in a
very good way with like purpose and like with good

(01:23:53):
quality products. But I think that psilocybin would just be
just like the canvas industry, All these chats.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Are going to come in and try to fuck it up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
They're kind of a I think that's actually happening right
now because I I saw I just watch a YouTube
video that someone's trying to trademark or copyright like psilocybin therapy,
which is a weird thing to try to like, it's
it's some weirdo shit going on already in that space.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Fuck all that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I'm crazy, like like in your position right being in
so many different cities, so many different markets.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Do you ever have to deal with like any cause
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I know right now there are lobbyists that are trying
to get the psilocybin shit passed through.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
But do you ever have to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Deal with like politicians or anybody who's like it, because
that's it feels like it feels like there's definitely gotta
be uh a agenda or lobby on both sides to
make it federally legal and or illegal, And it feels
like you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Might have some sort of insight on what only like
im like in s certain markets, like when they're holding
back our license to open and store.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I'll talk to like certain uh politicians and kind.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Of just say hey, like what's going on, Like we'd
love to build you and woo whooping get a chances
to say hello.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
But I mean, bro, if I've ever invited to the
White House or if.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
I'm ever invited somewhere around some of these lawmakers, I
would love to give my input.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I'm gonna say, do you think federally it's gonna happen soon?
In terms of no, no, five years, ten years.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I feel like I don't know why one of these
fucking cocksuckers running for president doesn't just fucking say, guys,
I'm gonna make weed league.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Because there's too many old people. Position presidents are just puppets.
It's just fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
You would think, like you you probably win the election,
just run that you're making weed legal and you get
a free fucking marijuana prisoners.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
It's crazy. They don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
There's too much money behind keeping people locked up, and
there's too many old people with old thoughts and old
agendas in position. We need some of these guys to
kind of phase out and let the new generation take office.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
I give it ten years. I think ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
I would love to be optimistic and say we can
go legal students, I can really build my business away.
It should be built, and we can get really these
weird ass laws like two eighty and ship. But I
don't see it happening anytime soon. That's why I spread
my wings really hard and stay relevant and many other ways.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Give me your top five rappers ever. Pock Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Bone Thugs is a group Crazy Bone trying for crazy
Bone right now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Definitely Ship. This is tough. I'm biased, man, I'm fucking
I'm an old school dog.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
I mean, snoop, you got pock Bone Snoop. I mean
biggies in there for sure. And fuck, dude, this is tough.
I'm so old school man, I'm so old school when
it comes to music. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Fuck, I don't get ridiculed for this list. Fifth person bro, DMX,
DMX and you got to work with DMX Yeah for
the best, which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
I related to his ship a lot. Now there's a
bunch of people I should have said politically and whatever,
but that's just what comes to my head right out
what I'm listening to right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
You didn't do the political Bay Area rapper of throwing there.
That's his own list, you know, that's his own list.
Fuck you know the jacka.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
The jacka Mac dra for sure, E forty san Quin
and I mean, bro, you got to give two shortest.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Probably too short. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
I feel like people who aren't from the Bay will
never quite understand Mac.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Dre or san Quinn Quinn or even the Jack of
the Jacker.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
That's one number one Bay Area You know, I'm one
of his biggest fans, but the sand Quin is probably
one of the best rappers out this out the Bay,
I think out the West Coast. He just never got
a chance to sean like that on a very very
major level, but like Quinn showed that heat to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah for sure. Now I think it's crazy because I
had that talk with.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Somebody else from debate that I won't mention, but we're
we're kind of talking about how like, like I understand
why mac dre is important. I understand, you know, I
also understand from what a lot of people told me
that people didn't really in terms of the streets funck
with him and like like at least his error shit

(01:28:32):
until he passed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
It was more like some Berkeley ship.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
And then once he passed, people kind of really truly
appreciated what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
All right, man, Well, hey before we go, can you
give me the last time we hung out?

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
You gave me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
O G. H.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Burner in the in the what I figured? What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
You're afraid you were gonna get robbed in the mountains
of Humble County. That shit went super viral. Let's dive
back fifteen years, twenty years. Burn give me the another
random just storytime with Bernard. Give me a crazy story
about a situation that might have been dicey back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
It could have been in Humble County. It could have
been in the streets in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Give me, give me a little ancdot, a little tidbit,
man before we go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Well, I guess a good one would be I let
someone handle something for me one time. And you know,
I just I felt to him my gut, that wouldn't
be the right move. I said, bro, like, be it
very attentive. These guys are kind of like, these guys
are kind of shifting, and I don't think they're gonna
rob you by gunpoint, but I feel like some's gonna

(01:29:43):
go wrong. So you know, I'm gonna let you handle
this because I'm not around, but like, be very attentive
to what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
He's like, for sure, I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
So he goes to meet up with this guy in
the hotel and he gives him the bags in a
double bag, and the guy gives him the money.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
The money's vacuum.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Sealed, and you know it looks right, hundreds on top
and whatever, and there was two vacuum seal bags. And
kind of made a joke like what you don't trust
me want to count here? You really want to count
it out here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
I got to do, I got to move.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
I gotta go boxes up and get him out of here.
And was like, yeah, you know he's a bro. At
least bus open one, you can count it real quick.
And the dude opened up for him with the vacuum
seal back and hand him a stack and counted through
the whole stack.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
It's all hunters. Boom boom boom.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Cool put it back and he's like, bro, I gotta go,
I gotta move, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
My boy takes off, gets where he's going, opens up
the vacuum seals and the rest of all the stacks
are just one hundred on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Top of all ones. Oh, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
He calls me and tells me, like, bro, you really
let this man pull out the stack and count it
for you. Like I mean, he didn't count it for him,
but you really let him open that pack up and
probably you let him give you the right corner stack.
He didn't go through anything else. He's like, bro, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Moving so fast. He was nervous. It was just seems shady.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
He was opening up the packs and starts smiling the room.
I just want to get out of there with all
that bread. And I was worried about getting robbed when
I left. I might, but you're worried about getting robed
when you left. But you got robbed right there. He's
calling the Dukes phones for DU's phones out of service?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
How much? How much money we're talking. I don't even
remember at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
It was like probably like sixteen years ago or something
like that, but I just know my boy got fucked
big time and it fell on him. I'm like, bro,
you were there to handle it. You were there to
count the bread. I told you what to do. He
didn't do it, So that's all you got to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
That fucking hell. Yeah, he never claimed me back for it.
But that was a random one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
So for all them bad boys out there, if someone
comes with a neatly stack of hundreds, all flattened out,
perfect in the vacuum self, go through it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Yeah, you should never just take the vacuum seal of money.
Just open it up, make sure it's that it's.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
I mean, you're already somewhere doing the deals. I mean,
you're already invested in this situation, counted out. So you know,
that's just a good old story that happened. Someone pulled
a slick one of my little homie and a little
homie is supposed to make.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Me back, but he did not.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
The crazy shit is like right now in downtown La
It's it's it's the wild wild West. Like, if you're
downtown and you live in a high rise, I guarantee
you there was a trapper on your floor. And if
you see guys moving around with tons of luggage all
the time, they're not traveling.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
LA is wild right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Now, Rappers, stop shouting out these these trap guys, man,
let them, let them build it or getting following. This
shit is crazy, fucking snitching dude, dog, It's like, yeah,
it's crazy man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Well look man, obviously, uh people can go.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
I mean you got When's in New Mexico opening a
November three, So November third, that's coming, new music coming,
collap project with be Realong the Way, Mazie, Oh Jeezy,
Larry Cookies, clothing is going crazier than ever. Yeah, I
feel like you guys probably, I mean keeping Zoomies alive.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
At this point, Zoomie's has been a great party talking man,
you guys are fucking front and center. Yeah, they've been
a great party.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
We got two shoes coming out year with somebody. I'm like, Ia, Yeah,
like sneakers are they fly?

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Hhmm okay, I keep coming at you know, I keep
coming with it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Man, A cookie sneaker coming.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
They try to write me out, man, it's not happening.
Cookies slides, Yeah, slides is good. But I'm talking about
like a partnership with a bigger company, like a collab sneaker,
a collapse sneaker.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Yeah, it's not just that's putting out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
No, it's a collab with a pretty big brand, relevant brand.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
And why do you guys stop doing denim? Or is
it you guys not do it as much because you're
a big gene guy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. It's just just tough.
Focus on business. Yeah yeah, focus on what works man. Well,
cookie shoes on the way. So much going on? Oh
real quick? Uh? I know you're a big Maui guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
I had to be tough to see what happened in
Maui because that's when I go to Maui, I stay
like that's where I'm at. I'm always in in the
of eating food, and you know, I go to that
big ass tree and eat gold like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
It's a terrible situation. Shout to everyone on the ground
putting in that work out there in Maui. A lot
of people are making sure that they're taken care of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
I know that's kind of like you're like dream like
if I retire, you always talk about like going to Maui.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely want to be in Maui
or Kawaii. But like, yeah, shout out to everyone in Maui.
I've checked in, I've helped out. You know, I'm not good.
I'm not one of those guys at publicly just post
what I do for things. But you know I've helped
out in the ways I can. And I know that
there's good people on the ground making sure people are
good out there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Man, Well there it is, Big Burn. I appreciate you,
really appreciate you. Bro. Yes sir, yes, sir. Hey what up? Man?

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