July 12, 2024 • 109 mins
Interview with Sauce Walka on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oi, Hey, my insight man as the kid it did
Saucewalker Man. Right now we on bootleg Keill splashing and
high fashion and dripping and never slipping.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
OUI yo Boutlet Cavs show Man special guests in here.
I would like to give this man his flowers because
I do feel like there are very few artists who
have heavy influence on culture, of heavy influence on some
of the biggest artists in the game, but don't get
their credit. I would like to say softwalka one of
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the most influential rappers the last decade or so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He's here the h town legend.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Uie.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I appreciate those flowers. Those are very truthful words, you
know what I'm saying. That's a different side of the
truth that some people don't want to, you know, reciprocateor
acknowledge how many huge stars that like have actually built
the whole makeup off of, you know, the Saucewalker legacy
and my style and my indifference.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And your slang slang fashion fashion.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It'd be funny sometimes because I hear some people say
it'd be funny, like I hear like the fans of
the coming they'd be like, you look like an older
version of so and so, and they'd be funny, like
they just don't know that they're really looking at this
artist reimulating me. You know, they know you mean that
they're like a younger version of me, is what you're
trying to say.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, because you've been doing this shit for I mean
dog years at this point, Like I think I just
told you. I think the first time we worked I
DJed for you at a show randomly was maybe like
ten years ago, nine years ago, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I've officially like been is a successful superstar artist
for like ten years. I've been rapping like the TSF
things starting like twenty thirteen. I blew up twenty fourteen.
It's twenty twenty four right now. Yeah, that's a full
decade like on paper, but you know, the battle in
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the fight for the success it has been allowed lifelong journey.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I think about like, you know, so many people
have came to Houston and gotten and you know there's
guys like Drake giving back to Houston a lot, and
like Mad made it a point you out of his
way to kind of like still be there for Houston,
show up, do events, and you know, but I just
feel like Houston is like one of them markets that's
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kind of like the Bay Area in California, where so
many people have like taken from it, but for whatever reason,
the credit has never really necessarily like attributed to it
as much as it should be.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I feel that it's a it's like a fifty fifty
stake and responsibility for that truth like which that is
one hundred percent the truth of like the the legacy
and the lineage of Houston has been appropriated and uh
recycled without Houston getting the recognition and the flowers or
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the opportunities that come from the ideas and the culture
and the instance of Houston. But I I blame fifty
percent of the responsibility of that on the industry. I
blame the other fifty percent on the city of Houston, Texas,
because we have become more of a consumers market than
a seller's market. And that's not the original, that's not
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the origin of Texas sound, not even just Houston, Texas
as a whole. We're known for being independent artists, whole
sellers of coming from by these CDs out the trunk,
you know what I'm saying, Self distributed, self distributed selling US.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Wrap a lot records.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
What do we chop a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Records, A solemn markers, a screw up click workers, switcher house,
swave house.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It goes on and on, dope house, it goes on
and on.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
All of these are independent, millionaire, multimillionaire record labels and distributions, so.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So South distributions. I can just keep going on.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's uh so so many different pillars in the state
of Texas that have been even in DSR, and that
nothing just cut them.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Off the dsorry. Remember DSR, right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's so many different Texas pillars who have been independent
and made mellions and millions of dollars nothing less than
six figures high, six figures a year off of being
independent and representing, being engulfed and like overly loving and
appreciating our sound. The Internet kind of fucked it up.
The Internet broke that up. Like people from the Bay
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will never get out of enjoying and representing the cultures
and the fruits of Bay Area ways like the hairstyles
having a duct tail or the long dread, something like
that if one part of the Bay, if we're doing
this in sact that we're gonna do this in Vallet ho.
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If we're doing this vlayo, then we're gonna do this
in Oakland, right, you know what I mean? Versus to
where in Texas is like if and before I get
thuggling to the point when these their styles or these
lingos way up talking way of dressing, whatever they y'all
do this Bay Area shit, when it hits the internet
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and the Internet doesn't necessarily agree with it or feel
like like like that's cool, like they was like that
shit look weird, that shit lane that ship, then the
Bay Area is not gonna not continue to act the
way that they act because it doesn't fit in with y'all.
It doesn't fit in with the white people addressing in
New Orleans or the whiteople dressing in New York with
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the drill saying y'all don't know Debay doesn't give a
fuck about that.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
The Bay is going to be the bait.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If we this, and we this, and if we you
know what I'm saying, whatever we own pimping, whatever style
of music that we own, they own it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Versus to whereas in Texas, like you have a.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Large amount of our community that wants to fit in
with what they see on the internet more or less
than continue to create and be indifferent on the Internet
and own and own your identity. Like when you go
to Florida, they own their identity. The gold teeth, the
dunk cars, all of dressing, the weak hairstyles, the the
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Haitian culture, like all of this ship is things that
empowers the culture and empowers their music. It empowers their
their economy as well, because there's certain essence and things
that you have to go to their market to buy
if you want it done correctly. So it's like with Houston,
if you want to correct I stock grill permanent in
your mouth, You're gonna come to Houston. If you're a
rap artist and you want your teeth to look and
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you want to compete with the teeth that's going around
in the world and the jury that's going around the
world and not look like you you spent less money
or got some bullshit, then you're gonna go to Texas
and you're gonna go to the right people. That's the
best they're doing it. Plug Geo Johenna Dane, you know
what I'm saying. So it's the when it comes to
the essays of music and screwed and chop culture or
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dressing a certain way that that represents.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Even the cars.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The cars.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I was like, even we think about that in the
last decade, Softwalker is the only Houston, Texas rapper to
have swinkers on this car and vocalize and then publicizes
to the world, I'm the only nigga that did that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, Yeah, it is interesting to think that's weird because
when I was like, obviously shot to Paul Wall and
all those guys like that was like the first time
I ever saw those fucking rims.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, and salute the Powerwall, Like, the legends are legend,
like Jones slimped our legends. They keep the fruits of
our culture, you know what I'm saying, dump like and
people face prominent, they keep it like existing, they keep
it like you know what I'm saying to the forefront,
we're talking about the younger generation. The younger generation and
the current generation is who plants the seeds to the future.
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So if the people that's between the ages of.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Thirty five to twenty five is not.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Doing it, did that mean that the people's from the
ages from twenty five to fifteen are not going to
want to do it?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know what I'm saying because between fifteen and twenty five,
these are the young adults who are on the TikTok,
who own all the toucial media platforms. They playing sports,
they still in high school, they're still in middle school.
So whatever information they downloading it to their brain that
represents they city and they culture. They're going on the
internet and making a thriving force. That's why the drill
scene has lasted so long, because it's not about the
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rappers that running around shooting each other and dancing and
fighting and representing the hoods. It's about these children that
we see on the internet constantly programming our brains with
these dances, constantly programming our brains with these skits and
these tiktoks. And then it goes global. Now we got
people weigh in the UK making drill music and drill
dances and altering what's the biggest wave of style in
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New York.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So therefore.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You don't see how that creates money, and it creates wealth,
and it creates an identity, and it creates a respect
factor in the music industry where the companies and the
powers that be when they want to utilize that sound
in a commercial because it's going to bring sales, it's
going to bring engagement that if they want to utilize
the settings or one of the stadiums in your city,
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they still have to incorporate the music scene and the
culture that's in that city within those events. Houston missed
out on that for a ten year span while we
were still having like huge events happening in the city.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
We had Super Bowls, we had.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
All Star Games, We've had NCAA tournaments final fours. We've
had all of these different things and go on in
the State of Texas along with our annual stuff like
the Rodeo. Rodeo lives exactly said, you know about this
type of shit, but none of the ten fifteen young
dominant artists from the state of Texas are ever involved
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in these things.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I mean I thought it was interesting. Like obviously
don't know the politics of the Houston Rodeo. It's huge
for people who don't know. The Houston Rodeo is probably
the biggest annual event in Houston, period period.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's at the Football Stadium absolutely all weekend long. It's
no it's such it's a month it's a month long event.
But the main the main ship the week shows is
a weekend or two. It's like a weekend or two,
Like it's like a country weekend. But you're still gonna
have some some some good souls thinking all this good
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r and b artists and stuff like this, Like you
will have some other artists who not necessarily rappers, but
they make like alternative music.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, being that part. And then the next weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Is the rapper Like recently it's too it's a rap
weekend and it's like a singing weekend.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I was gonna say recently because like obviously when
we're thinking of like rodeos, you're thinking like country music,
fucking rednecks whatever, right, right, But it's like very much
a part of Texas culture.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's ranches all over Texas, Like it is what it
is for.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sure, Like I grew up and riding horses in my
hood and you write where you're riding a horse, you
will see a Lamborghini or Porsche Ferrari or Rose Royce
drop right past.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
This is part of the culture, just a part.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Of the life that But like I know, recently, was
it bun be that put together?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like the Yeah, for the last four or five years,
be been like like maybe three years four years just.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Putting together like the All star teeah yeah, yeah, who's who?
I think Drake came out of the last one. Yes,
this last one, I know ot came out, which was
big for him.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Shout ou yeah te that was that was the That
was like a little ray of sunshine for us.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Like why was it gonna say, like, how do you
feel about it? Though? Could you ask you about Houston?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, just the the the rodeo and the line up
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I thought I thought I thought it was dope because
I mean, look like I remember when I think the
first time I'd seen Bunby doing it, at least to
my peripherals, because I just start I watched Yellowstone, that
show with Kevin Costner, so I started pay attention to
rodeo shit, so so like not this not this last
time at the time before because I was telling my wife.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I was like, yo, low key, like we should go
to the fucking rodeo because we're watching Yellowstone and ship
you know, and uh And I was like, yo, bun
Bee's putting together a fucking lineup and it was like
the h Town All Stars and they was like everybody
was that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I thought it was dope.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But I think that, like, it's funny that you said
what you said earlier, right, because, like I said, I'm
a big like Scarface is one of my goats.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I love Scarface. I love the switch of House movement.
I loved all that shit, all the color changing and
click shit when I was a kid. I used to
sell those mixtapes at high school and shit. And it's
funny that, like some of the biggest artists, I always forget,
not necessarily I always forget, but when I'm talking about
Houston artists, I always forget to mention the biggest artists
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from Houston. Does that make sense because it's not necessarily
like the front of their imagery or branding. So like,
you know, we'll talk about Houston artists all the time,
and I'll be like, yo, max O Cream and fucking
ot and and you know, Payso pay So or Saltwalk
or whatever. I always forget, like, oh shit, don Toller's
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from fucking Houston.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Is that Megan's from Houston?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You know, we don't have.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Travis is from Houston, you know. And this is a
guy who's has done astral World in town and.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Is working these people at the Rodeo that's fair, or
any of these people at the rodeo, or any of
these artists performing at the road, any of the last
ten artists that you just named, except for one.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Lt that's real. That's weird.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But love and respect to bun Bee and everything that
he does for Houston in the state of Texas. And
it's probably some things that's out of his hand, out
of his control. But at the end of the day,
if you was to compare that to will, what you
would say is the.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Summer Jam in New York.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
If you was to compare that to a the Birthday
bash in Atlanta, you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Could say, the who's who of any of those artists
from those cities. They would never They've already been there
and done.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They were never in the history of niggadom. They were
never in the history of music allowed these type of
events to go on and not have the young artist
were talking about this, right, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Care If forty one Jen Carter and Kyle Rich and
those guys just this summer.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Jam, okay, then forty one mess mess exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
That shit right there.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That's what makes sense, that's what keeps there, that's what
keeps them at the top of media. That's what keeps
them at the top of gatekeeping. That's what makes it
to where when the artist blows up, you have to
touch the New York market, you have to touch the
California market, because they understand recycling the power of their generations.
We don't have that right because we have so many
people that wants to hold hold the gate when and
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all you're doing is you're making us obsolete to the
rest of the competition around the world.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Around the world.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It does not make sense to have a rolling loud.
Just what you're basically just saying is that our Houston
Rodeo is to the equivalent of a rolling loud a
Coach Eeller birthday bash. These type of events where it's
going to be sixty seventy thousand people in the arena,
why would you not and up these sixty thousand people.
Seventy percent of these people are within the age group
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of the artists that are the existing artists right now,
from thirty to twenty five years, from through thirty, from
their thirties to their twenties. None of the performing artists
are in the thirties in their twenties, though every performing
artist is in their forties or their fifties. True, that's
to say that's a problem, that's weird, that doesn't make
sense that I've talk just period though, But it goes
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bigger than the I'm not trying to make like this
whole interview about no for sure, about the what is
it called again, the rodeo? Right, that's why the rodeo
is not It's important to the to the older people,
but it's not that important to the youth in Texas.
It's not as important and powerful as it could be.
And there would be other events that would come circling
around that as well, because then the world will see, Oh,
(15:40):
it makes sense for rolland Loud to come to Texas.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It makes sense for us to make it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, there should be a Rolling lou Texas.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That will make no sense. We're talking about the third fourth.
We're talking about the third biggest state, fourth biggest city,
third biggest state, fourth biggest.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
City, the second biggest state, right, isn't it Alaska in Texas?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's the other one. I think it's New York.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I've you were talking about land masks.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
No land masks, we number two. You know what I'm
saying that on all scales which were Trump and ship
is when you you add about population, we're number four,
uh Houston in America by population, we number four by
land mass, were number two.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
By state, we're number three.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So it's like you know what I mean, and you know, uh,
if you look at the just just the demographic of everything,
we got two of them. We probably have one of
the biggest sports markets in America period. We have every
team that you can imagine period. We have all of
the basketball teams in three multiple out of one.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
State, San Antonio, Dallas, Houston.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Come on, bro, like, just make it make sense. We
have all the exactly so how can y'all not create
the lucrativeness and the funds and the finances off of
bringing concerts and our in our state.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
That doesn't make sense. It's to be huge, immensive.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Concerts in the state of Texas with all of the
big artists from outside of Texas and the artists inside
of Texas. We don't get those moments because it's not
enough trick, it's not enough traction coming from the state.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
They don't see.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Enough concerts and enough venues and enough heard ticket sales
within the state.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Do you think Travis tried to do.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
It with Astro did. I ain't never tried to do it.
He did it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, you gotta give it to Travis. Travis is the
only person that did. There's like me and Travis is
like that's why we like the god like legends that
we is. Like, no matter what, the screw cannot take
shit away from Travis because at every different level did
Travis reach, he comes back and do something great for
the city. So it's like, you can't take that from bro, Like, no, ma,
sure what. And I'm one of them people that be
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like behind closed doors on his ass about this shit,
like that's our relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I would like to see I see.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just feel like there's like this crazy moment in
Texas hip hop happening where you know, right now two
of the Freshmans are from.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
State something three three OT and who else?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Four bats?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Four bats?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, ship, you see what I'm saying, That type of
ship that pissed me out like this, there's just stop
it right.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
There, That's what I'm trying to say. It's ship like that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You should know without a shoutou of a doubt off
the rip four batses from Texas.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But to be fair, he hasn't done a ton of media.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
He's done enough.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
He's done way more than even though the way he know,
the way he came out, the way he blew up,
he blew up on from the block, from the block
said that the man was from that is every time
that he was on there from the block, showed that
he blew up on his street. If you go to
here from the block performance, the gall the barrier, the
border that's around it, it shows Strawberry Street, Dallas with.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
The woo Texas. It's not enough.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Texas is not putting enough emphasis on Texas.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
We're not We're not grasping this.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
This this character and this artist is saying, that's another
representation of us postalone, that's another riveration of us. So
we will see big extra club, big ex of plug
Toss Walker and in Mexican ot shoving it down your throat,
were shoving the Texas like you Texas mother.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's crazy. Yeah, no, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's and that's for every artist should be doing it,
not just like this is our co community. The fans,
the people should support it. They should support the slow
of shit. They should support all Texas music listen to.
They should wane to even the promoters and the promoters
in the club being used and like that. They got
to stop trying to underpay. Like I'm one of the
few artists. I get paid what I want to get paid,
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whatever I get, even if I'm going to an event
or a place in my city, I'm getting twenty five
thirty thousand, fifteen thousand. If I'm just doing some walk
through shit around the world and getting paid twenty five
thirty thousand, whatever. But it's so many people in the
city and part of promoters try to make the attempt
to undercharge or underpay. You know what I'm saying, and
I know that everybody else that's what they're getting. That's
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why you don't even see our super duper stars making
a Stallion and Travis Scott doing events and parties in
the city a lot, because the city don't want to
pay them what they deserve, so they have the coming
do events on their own. Coming Atlanta exactly. Atlanta in
New York is not gonna allow that. California is not
gonna allow that. Once Blue Faces blue Face, we're paying him,
Kendrick is Kendrick, We're paying him once? Why gus Y
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g we're paying him when uh the little baby is
a little baby. We're paying him whoever it is, whoever
in Atlanta, we're paying him. Who the new nigga that
is singing, just do it, just making all the singing songs. Uh, yes,
I don't know about names that he got. A he
just popped up on the internet with all the red cars,
the tile nigga hunh nah, he's from Atlanta, about the
new Atlanta harderst bro. I forget about name he got
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the twenty two times I see him on in and
all the time. I just don't know about name like
that because I'm you know what I'm saying. But regardless,
they're supporting this man. The nigga they be singing. He
like the Atlanta. He finna be. He on his way
to be in Atlanta, Rod Wave. He's doing a great job.
Whoever the nigga is, y'all know him talking about he's
doing a great job. And he got he got to
pop that ten red cars rapped up. He just did
a concern everybody in the city show up.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Who the fuck is he talking about? What's his nigga name? Bro?
He just gonna come onuncho.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I forget who he did the concert with somebody, very
successful tour. He said, he's doing great, he's doing good,
but it's a compiny. He's making great music, yes, good image, yes,
but it's a combination of his city in his state.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
It's pushing him. We are pushing him Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
They're gonna push Kodak, They're gonna push whoever is that
who we is having.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
My young nigga is doing his thing right now.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Uh, Simmy, Like, whoever is the nigga that's that's emerging,
that state and that city is gonna push that.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
We love this culture, we love this sound. We don't
care how different.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Even though even let's talk about this kid. This kid
is a perfect example in the embodiment of what I'm
trying to explain, when you have home court advantage of
your city and your state supporting what you do. I
don't know this kid name either, but you knows that's
going to the Jewish kid rapper that's from Florida. I
never knew what the his name was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Culture that bop culture kid.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Look how he is dissected.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't I have to say it like this, but
just black culture, even though he's he's of it. Like
just because he white and me Jewish, that don't change nothing.
You are up the culture. You are proving that you're
not opposer like you really this is your lifestyle. But
marketing wise, as a product, we're talking about business from
a business standpoint. He made his module off of black
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culture and re emulated it and still kept I'm a
white Jewish kid involved. Yeah, he's still winning the hat
comple that you see Jewish. You see now how I
broke it down to you. That's coming together and making sense.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's like the little things that like, hey, what I
am is in.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Your face, and that's what matters. I try.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I think wicks like a Florida person, So death for
everybody in Florida. There's like why he rapping like us?
And he got the he got the hasties in the
videos with him, these hors everyday friends, and now this video,
this is who I genuinely be with. I share the hairstyle,
i share the rap style, but I'm different. I'm white
and I'm Jewish, but I'm not gonna act like I'm
not white and I'm not Jewish. And it's the beauty
of all of these different greens.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, big Ax's first hit record, that's the platinum
bit y'all from Texas from Texas?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Like what as simple as that, But that's what I'm saying.
It takes OT.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The songs called Johnny Dang and Paul Wall's on it,
Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Understand?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But understand if like me, Big X and OT all
us was able to like explain the same shit, like
we all are kings and guards and superstars in Texas.
But the way we all loved and appreciated outside of
Texas versus Texas by the powers they be the fans too,
but the fans are not always in the position. Where
(23:42):
the fans powers come at is the streaming, the post
and the play and the representation of us being them
like a sports team.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And you've always done a good job of like bringing
up your crew. Obviously shout to pay So, pay So
and Sauceman and all those guys. But you know, I
think that the two people were talking about OT doing
the same thing with Drodi and shout out to the Sixers,
Shout out to two big as.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
We're doing our job, the all them good great artist
Hard Hard the other brother that's with us.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Young Hood. Uh the freestyle for like twenty minutes on
the show.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, his other artist, his name's young Hood. I was
doing something. I call him he Fey.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I know him like before, he's hardy been around, but
he been like I did a song feature with him
years ago, like good great artists. My point is is
that it's a problem that so many Texas artists who
bring up these great groups of artists, who bring out
these these these coalitions of artists, these record labels of artists.
(24:41):
It's very rare, like this is probably gonna be one
of the first times in a second that were starting
on the second decade period, Like after me being who
I've been in the rap game and opening this door,
like I'll open these doors for these people. Me and
say cheeze TV try to say cheese together, we created
what Texas is today. Like that's what I shout of
(25:01):
it out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But he's got his label too, I know he signed up.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah he's doing a great job. Saun Cotton is that
boy him? But again, like I was saying, like it's.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Be the Pac manage we signed you, right.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's the fact that all of these not just
the superstars, the best friends supposed to be household names,
like how these other cities and the other cities both.
It would be a main artist friend that ain't even
a rapper. He getting shout outs from these other big
rappers on songs, he getting endorsements, he uh he in
the he's in the other artist videos that's from another city.
(25:37):
Why their main artists is not there? All of this
shit matters product placement. This is what programs the brain.
This is what programs the brain to see who is
who and who's not, Who's famous, who should I be following?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Who should I like?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And to be honest, it's enough Texas superstars and artists
for us to do all this shit on our own,
but everybody got to put that bullshit in their egos aside.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Just like hell of women that are doing and ken
of man as though I think Lieber Joe Lee's from Texas.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
So look this on.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I said, I love when you bring up all these people.
Name when you which is all tasted superstar? Now tell
me the songs and videos that we all got together. Right,
where's the kender Man song with Little Kiki uh Sus Walker?
And I don't fucking know kirk up maxing no Tea
Kirk like just pid Like if you go to another
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city and state, it's you could go grab just one artist,
like you can go grab a fucking Jadie Kiss and
then grab all the new artists that they out of
did a song together and they didn't mix it up.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
With the kiss has been on. Griselda Ship really ship,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And I spice she gonna come straight out, Oh I'm
fresh man telling over him.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
This person on this person.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like they they is passing the ball and then they
shooting a video. Then they going to the radio and
they pressing the radio. From both ends. We got the
label pressing the radio. We got the young community artists
pressing the radio. We got the O G artist pressing
the radio. So therefore we get the result. That's all
I'm saying is this in in Texas, there's like a
huge flaw in its fifty percent of the artists and
(27:02):
the people dis in position the powers. The promoter is
the radios all that shit, and then the other fifty
percent is the fans and the supporters because they take
the like they type the motor, they they taped the
wheel power in a fight out the artists they can't
tape the fight.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Out of me because I'm a god.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm I'm I'm him with music or not with music,
and there'd be a lot of young artists that then
lift the trail.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, I feel like too, Like I think what's dope
about Texas is there's been guys like you, guys like
Trade the Truths, guys like Bud b who have like
at the very least, just been very instrumental to like
there are leaders coming out of Texas like whether or not,
like you know, the stuff is going on that we're
talking about is happening or not. At the very least,
(27:41):
there is like, Yo, if you're in fucking La and
you're going to Texas, there's like two or three people
you're like, well, I gotta fucking see what sauce Walk
is on, or I gotta go tap in with Trade
with Trade A, or you know, I got to go
fucking go to Trilburger or some shit.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like this pillows, it's pillars
in the city. You know what I'm saying, People that
you're gonna fuck with them or space with it. If
you if you coming to the town and you just
know what I'm saying. You're trying to be all the
way green light, you check in and just be with
the people. You gonna come to JAYL. You're gonna come
to Sauce. You canna come there, Prince, I gotta say, Prince,
(28:14):
you gotta say j You're gonna go to us t yourself.
You're gonna go to rapp a lot, you know what
I'm saying. But on some coming through the city in
and join the city in, you feel me like going
to uh like landmark places of landmark artists and all
of those we ought to trades, the zeros, the key
key bun b. You know what I'm saying. Everybody is there,
everybody play. We're from a city full of legends, you
(28:38):
know what I'm saying. And I love all the legends
that we have in our city. It's just I feel
like we all should do more, Like we all could
do more.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
We all should do more.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And I'm not like the same way how I say
what they shouldn't do And as much as I do,
like I do a lot, but I still try to
do more. That's why I got the saucepect, is why
I bring all the young niggas together I'm bringing the
rappers from out of town with the young niggas again.
I'm bringing these niggas in their studio session.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They ain't got nothing to do with it, you know.
For sure. I'm just getting ready together.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Doing whatever I can to make everybody. You know what
I'm saying, resty potential.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know what I'm saying. I feel like we just
need more of it. But you talk to me, man,
because want ship to talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Then for sure there's tons. I'm sure they're Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The one thing that I always appreciated about Texas is
I remember the first time there was like something. It
might have been an MTV video or something, but when
Slim Thug came out, he said he was already platinum.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
He was.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He was right, he was sold a million, he was
living at that he was living.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
He was doing big, big ship before we even knew
who he was.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, I was gonna say I feel the same way
about you because I remember seeing videos of you and
I would be like, Yo, how's this guy so fucking
rich rich like Jesus, And this is not like recently,
this is like eight nine years ago, Like Yo, this
guy saw squaking, got ship moveing.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I'm on a ball of shit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And and the other thing that you I want to
break down because like there's rap hustling. When you're an
independent artist and you know how to kind of you're
a fucking all time great rap hustler.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I gotta be like top two. I really think I'm
the number one bro.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
When I tell you that you've you've DM so like
like you're like break down the rap hustle in general,
because I've had you.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I put it to you like this, like okay for
number one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Like what I've always felt like is that rappers or
like people in position of power with social media presences
that use their social media they look at their social
media platform like their baby mama's vagina, like I cannot
share this with the world, like this is my yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
This is my esthetics. I don't want to mess up
my social media.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
On social media aesthetic in it. I look at my
social media page like Walmart.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
This is a place of digital business, a place of
digital real estate.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Excuse me that I have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
A fluent flow of customers going in and out of
it every second of the day.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Now, the amount of traffic.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That I have going through this digital real estate that
is determined by the amount of activity and the amount
of marketing, promotion and lights and special shit that I
put on my location. But at the same token, if
I can make the same money that I would make
doing a concert or the same money that I would
make selling albums by letting a thousand of my customers
(31:30):
give me.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Five hundred dollars for a service.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Deck in their mind, this service is worth two thousand dollars,
three thousand dollars. But I'm still talking about letting a
thousand people give me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
What would that service be. That's an example, a verse
or a repost, A repost okay.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Or me shout or not me.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's because then it's level too, because like some of
this shit I'm doing for forty fifty thirty thousand.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
When when it came to monopolizing and optimized and it's like, Okay,
I don't have to get this part like I do.
I do a whole song with this person for twenty
five thousand. Okay, you pay me twelve five for the song,
twelve five for the video, and then you do sales too.
All I'm doing says not that that's what I'm saying,
this is how we get into the tiers of the
rap hustles, like we get it to the tiers of
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the rap hustle. Okay, that's just doing the song and
the video with you. Then it's the you want the
problem of it. Okay, you want the primary artists? You
want to fuck you are a primary artist. That's another price.
I'm a cook of the song, just on the g
that we are in independent. But then you want to
put it on my YouTube. That's another three thousand and
twenty five hundred to put it on my YouTube channel.
You can put it on your YouTube channel. You want
me to post it on my main page. You won't
(32:42):
post it on my story. I posted on my main page.
It's another five thousand. You want to post on my story,
that's twenty five hundred. You know what I'm saying. It's
all the different levels. But then that's that's me doing
a whole song with you're shooting a whole video. I
might charge you ten whatever. You might want to do
a package to do a multiple multitude of the songs.
But instead of doing all of that work, I can
make the same fifty grand by just charging one thousand
people five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You see what I'm saying, And of course of thirty days,
and the.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Course of of course of thirty sixty days, I done.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Just made.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Something that took two minutes of my time to something
that I'm gonna repost for a shoot that I like
for free, and I'm gonna get this person in marketing
a funny video that I like on Instagram for free.
I'm gonna repost it to get some laughs and to
talk about it in my DM with my friends or
somebody say an affirmation of some fucking quote that you
think it's so important, and you're gonna repost that the
shittest information. I could be reposting somebody else's business idea
(33:35):
and get paid twelve hundred, fifteen hundred, two thousand dollars,
And then I can do that one thousand times because
I'm getting thirty thousand likes fifty thousand likes. If I
can get fifty thousand likes twenty five thousand reshares on
the video, I could make two three four thousand people
give me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
For sure. I'm not aiming at.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Getting two three thousand people to get me thirty thousand,
forty thousand.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I just want you hundred dollars. I'm still making millions
of dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right If I get ty thousand people to give me
five thousand dollars in the course of a year, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Then now you multiply that by doing multiple artists.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And then the other thing is is like element, here's
one huddle. I'm in this city tapping. If you need a.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Diverse city, you need the verse, you need promo, what
you need to your party. You need me to come
to your store. You want me to listen to your music.
This shit go deep to just constentation or listening to music.
You want me to listen to your song. Brother, I
will not listen to your song on my own person
on the song. But if you want me to listen
to your song, give you my personal opinion on what
you should do. Bactually, I'm being a consultant thirty three
(34:31):
thousand dollars, thirty three thousand dollars, but I'm sity there
with your smoke and blount which toll, listen to your song?
Tell you what I FaceTime whatever, FaceTime video. All of
these are different properties that can get sold because Jesus
running it up. I can sit up Hell with my
motherfucker phone in my hand, bob my head. This ain't
even a real I'm not even listening to your song.
I'm bobbing my head. I sell you the video of
(34:52):
me boy my head for four thousand dollars. You could
put your song on three different version of it is.
I can send you three different angles, three different shirt songs.
I'm just bobbing my head.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Now. You just throw to your music sound on top
of you know what I'm saying, right, that's crazy? How
can I ever run out of millions of dollars? When
I understand?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I want to get into.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
How from your perspective, and we won't get into why
your perspective matters in this field, but you know, when
I was growing up, we had a track in my
town of Phoenix on Van Buren in which there was
always it was where you went, there was holes on
the street. I want to know, from your perspective, being
in Texas and you know, living the life that you've lived,
(35:35):
how did the Internet and only fans change what we
know as the.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
UH it's a red box for the exotic industry? Is
Hulu for the exotic industry is because.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You still have tracks everywhere, Like you go to Figure.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And there's women that's checks all around the world. But
like I said, with anything and life levels. So just
like in a double game, you got selling little crack rocks,
you got people that are selling half of zips. You
got people that are selling megatons and using planes and
jets marijuana. You there was a point of time where
fucking Burner, who is just a regular trapper and.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Rapper, and now he's now he's on the cover for US.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Now he's on the cover of for US as being
a fucking businessman and genius entrepreneur through cannabinoids in cannabis.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So I felt that not even about what I felt,
because before I felt this was was already happening without
my power or control. I'm just not an idiot that
wasn't going to evolve with the timing. If everybody's playing
PlayStation five and Xbox and they seeing the maximum graphics
(36:48):
and they getting the maximum download and gameplay, why would.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
You still play a fucking game before?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Why would you still be on the sixty four Now
you're still taking the risk of your game breaking your
game overheating motherfucking cords busting with all the orders of problems,
with the way of.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
The old way of doing something, came with an old
way of problems exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I don't got I'm on a whole another level of
life as a human being, not just a lot more
usual of the game. I have a lot more to lose.
I have a lot more knowledge and information. So it
doesn't even make first the first level of this. It
doesn't make sense for me to have people that I'm
associated with walking up and down the street and doing that,
because that's already the low tier of this game that
my mind has already passed. That you got this girl
(37:30):
walking up and down the street for four five hundred
dollars two three thousand dollars, bro, I'm putting this girl
in the air conditioning for twenty or thirty it did.
That was a level that I succeeded. That was a
strip club. Once I succeeded, they ended went to the internet.
Now we're talking the same thing that we're talking about
with the Instagram promotions, and now we're talking about pictures.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
There's no physical contact.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So now these these women who are my girlfriends, the
people that I'm associated with now you're putting them in
a position where they keeping all of their dignity, keeping
all of their sanity. They they they leave their house,
they don't have to leave their house. They don't have
to be touched and talk to anybody or deal with anybody,
have no physical and comes with any other man besides
(38:08):
you or who who they personally choose that they want
to be around.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
If you really think about it, you saving these people.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You give and it's something that they want to do
because at the end of the day, is I could
make the same money that my body has to physically
move and make actions to make by just taking pictures
and editing it and then posting it.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I've hit the Eureka mark.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I've I've cracked the cold of life.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, you don't even have to do give a lap
dance anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Exactly why would you want, Like, think about all the
things that the girl had to go to drive to work,
have a gun on her to protect herself, leaving and
going to work, about the drive, locker room drama, care
locker room drama, fighting the club. The managers want this,
they want this potent. All of these are real. Added
this dude's on cod This dude is drunk. This dude
(38:58):
got too aggressive in or did in the back, the
back room or on the stage, and.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
When they're standing feet away from a fight, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah, whatever, get hit? What abouttle? It touts you inappropriately?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Now you're putting all of these things up here, and
that's just the strip club.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
We ain't talking about being out on the streets.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Now, that's just the club.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
That's just the club.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You saying that that makes more sense or it's more
feasible than and then's that's another thing to about, Like
I said, levels, the level of beauty or the level
of women that you are dealing with, or the woman
that beauty that the woman possesses herself, or how much
investment does she put in herself, whether it's financially going
to the gym, dying right, all of those things.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Matter matter because your best bet might be the strip club.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right, But don't get it twisted. There's a niche for everything.
They got, the women on there making money, ugly women
making money, ages. The Internet has a space and a
place for everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
So it's the day shift.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
So so my whole, my, my, my whole perspective of
how I felt about it is like, the goal of.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Life is to work smarter and not harder.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I'm pretty sure you love being the DJ and and
something that you might still do from time to time
because it's a passion of something that you love in y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, but it's but like you said, it's smarter, not harder.
That's why I had bought a club. I'm like, man,
why I trying to do good? I bej for two
grand in the night? If I could stay at home
and make that money just from the crib, you know.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Why why be a DJ on the radio station?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's like, why that be my number one main source
of income when I can go home and set up
my own setup and sell my opinions and my visions
to the entire world and get paid off that well was.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It going to say for you?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Because you know, there's like when you manage girls on
only fans. The benefit of that is you have your
network because you you have a very successful onlyfan. Unfortunately,
I have seen your dick many times on accident, not
on purpose. I never sought it out.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Hey, it's a part of the It's a part of
the game. You know.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
On porn Hub, you'll click on something and then there
was one time I'm watching Pornhub and I was.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Like, man, I did my thing.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I was like, there is that?
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And I had to google.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I said, Sauce Walker, I just take you like this,
this motherfucker right here Exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Because you want to know why. Because I come from
a place where niggas go to jail for doing this. Ship,
I've been doing my whole life, and niggas don't come
home for doing the shit that I've been Ship. I've
grown up around and expanding my hard life and fucking
bitches and taking pictures of my dick and sending it
to hold.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I've been doing that shit for free stock and middle school.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Why the fuck would I be ashamed and fright to
do it on the fucking camera because I care about
what somebody else who gives it. I don't give a
fuck about your opinion. I probably beat you up. You
probably not a gangster. You probably are not a better
pee than me. I don't just regular elite just game.
You have not accomplised. You have not checked the traps
that I've trapped A checked at one time. Bro, You've
never seen nine hundred thousand dollars at one time in
(41:50):
one day and I've done it multiple multiple times. Bro
likes the money that I've made and the things that
I've done in this world and still having my fucking
freedom and my sanity. Nigga, I kissed the ground that
I walk on every day, and I would be a
damn fool to go to jail or it's already everything
that I do with risk doing getting on these motherfucker
platforms and talking about my passes. Why I'm okay to
(42:11):
talk about that because this is my past, because I
have the only fan. You know how many years I
didn't do interviews because I knew how deep out in
the game I was in.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
No, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You know You've been trying to get me everybody. But
I know what I want to ask me. I know
what you'll want to talk about amongst the beef and
the shit I had going on. Then that's gonna be
the next thing I want to ask about, which I
already know that. So at the end of the day,
I had to make one hundred percent in fact sure
that I'm so far away from my past and that
lifestyle and that I've converted it over to something legal
and legitimate to where I can feel comfortable to speak
(42:41):
on my past and what I did and what I've
been through and what was what's the cost that I
was there because I come out of hole pussing. My
mama was a hole. My mama was the game. My
uncle was p sixteens. You know what I'm saying. I
was born in this shit. My daddy was an athlete.
It wasn't meant for me to be an athlete, but
it was meant for me to be an entertainer.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
My daddy was a was a football player in a
wrestling Uh he wrestled, Yeah, my daddy.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Like I'm a diehard wrestling Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Ye see, my daddy never made it to that.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
But still but Texas is India route to say.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's why you know how they say tim and Peace
himself that the applet on fall too far from the tree.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Like I'm an independent legend. I just have the Internet. Now.
Did you watch the Weapon of.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
The movie about the Vaughan Erics, about the family of
the brothers who like are all from They're all from
like Dallas and Houston and they ended up for us
crazy great wrestling movies about Texas.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, No, I never seen it. But Texas has a
huge independent wrestling scene. This ship out that and my
dad was like dominant in that space. He made it
to the w W from the w w E. But
on it's like a side person like you never was
like he no, that's still, that's still. He never was
no funster. He never was on the video game. He know,
we never was. But you know, I'm saying, you just
got to clear that ship because when you say my
(43:53):
daddy was a wrestling mofuckers automate, think, oh.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
This nigga was rich's whole life. How could he come from? No?
There was First of all, First of all, you where
did the money come from?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Honda? I got this trying to cut you off, but look,
you just explain it to these people. Where does the
fucking money come from? When you a wrestler. It comes
from being on motherfucker Walmart with the toys on the
on the stands. It comes from having t shirts, it
comes from being on the video games. It comes to me,
you know, w Wrestle Inia and and all of them,
the chapers, letters and chairs.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
My daddy ain't never did none of that.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Ship everybody else on to come up, y'all, never played
my dad in the video game. You never went to
Waldmart seeing my daddy on the shirt. You never and
everybody watching this show, you all have been a wrestling
fan at some point in your life. You never seen
whose house Walker Dady was. My daddy ain't Booker t
It ain't Mark Henry, ain't none of them niggas. My
dad name is Al rays Walker. My daddy really whoop
all of them niggas. But the point that I'm making
is is that my daddy was inspiring wrestler. He was
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inspiring businessman, entrepreneur, but he did not make it till
the top because motherfucker's hated on him about his difference
and a lot of people stole my daddy style too.
My daddy had a very unique style, is how he
dressed and how he It's like some like one of
the biggest wrestlers to ever live, like, stole my daddy
complete image. But I'd be wanting him to tell that story,
like I don't because I already going through this shit.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
My sevnigges. I think I'm crazy with my daddy.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I really got to prof of that shit, like he
got to put for videos and they was all because
he had his chance, he had the time he was
around that shit. But the point that I'm making is
that like I grew up a special type of way,
so my mind is already throwed out and fucked up.
So it's like I just knew and understand, like, Okay,
if there's the opportunity for me to utilize the Internet,
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utilize video, film, photography, pictures, to stop taking the risk
and the chances that I was taking to make money,
the same way how I used it with my rap career,
because I chose to do it the hard route, not
get a record deal, not go through the major labels.
It's the same thing with the game, if you choosing
to not take the sleazy way out that a lot
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of six teams do, a lot of players take. That's
why I'm a different level than them, because they have
no fucking integrity.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
They would let.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
A woman do anything, and they would do fuck with
any type of woman for some bullshit As money. I
don't need a bitch to make no money. I'm the
money a bitch need me. I've never needed a bitch.
I've never lost a woman that I wanted to keep.
You know what I'm saying, I'm the prize, not her.
So at the end of the day, when you have
that that that alpha male mentality, you have a certain
level of principles and certain level of respect factor about yourself.
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That what he thinks that it's through disrespectful. He thinks
it's not playing not disrespectful to begin on camera and
fucking bitch on camera when nigga be and fucking holes
and taking pictures with hose and fucking hose your whole life,
it's a it's a regular street nigga. I don't think
it's I can't even say on this microphone the things
that people do in this game that I don't agree
with and that I will never do and I will
never be au and they and they do it front
(46:40):
and center, you know what I'm saying. So with me
understanding that fuck with somebody opinion is how they feel
about getting on the only fans of doing the only fans.
This is the smartest way out. This is the most strategical, smartest,
safest way out. Because you can't say neither per party
doing this, only fans force each other to do it.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
We both on camera, fucking yep. You can't say I
forced to do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And only fans makes you upload all kinds of forms, and.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's everything in needed necessary to protect your safety and
still make the money. Why the fuck would you not
do that for sure? So therefore, you want this girl
to be trashed. You want this girl to be filtered
and scumming, or if you want her, you want this
guy that only got twenty five hundred dollars or thirty
three hundred, four hundred, two hundred dollars to be having
an intimacy with this girl that you that you be.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
You smoke weed with this girl.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
You sitting cars and hang around this girl that don't
make if you have the ability to to take this
girl and put on pictures and posters and credit cards
and motherfuckering lighter leash lighters and ship like that and
make quadjupiit the amount of money that she was.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Making doing this other shit.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
We're not gonna do it just because of the opinions
of some niggas because you're shiny, see, because of your pride.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Because your pride. No, it'sin't even about pride.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
It's about the motherfucker's worried about the opinions of other niggas,
other players. It's like it's like if Steph Curry ketter
about the opinion of everybody else saying that he shot
too many three?
Speaker 3 (47:57):
You shoot too many three? How the games beat it? Yeah,
repeat it, repeat the game.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Revent the game.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
It's like you mad at James Twyton for the step back,
and they did they changed.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
That's that's and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's despicable, that's horrible. Like, that's that's not fair, that's book.
Don't be mad at somebody who has the intelligence and.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
To find a loophole.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I read change, didn't read.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Don't be mad at me because you did not read,
You did not study, you did not analyze, You did
not look at all of the motherfucker constentuousies of this
game that we both are playing.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And what are the proceeds? What are the.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Pros and the consequences? What are the cons what are
the pros? You didn't look at that and you didn't
take a deep dive into it because you just was
about making a couple of dollars and being accepted by
some other niggas. I already know I'm greater than these
niggas before even come and get in y'all ship. The
average P, the average P and the every person of
the game want to be a rapper, right, the average P,
the average that the average person is in any form
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of the streets want to be a celebrity. The average
d boy want to be a rap, or the average
P want to be a rap. For the average whole
want to be a model. The average like, let's be
fucking real. All these people wish if they was fucking
six six and coun dump and run fast and be
an athlete or a football player or after the musical mind,
the creativity, the willingness that I don't give a fuck
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nature to be a YouTube personality, whatever it is. Everybody
wish they had star power. If you did not wish
you had star popper, why the fuck do you like stars?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
You? Why do you worship us?
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Why do you sit up at twenty four hours a
day while these platforms even exist? You could be motherfucker
learning about science. You could be learning about health. You
could be learning platforms. Yeah, you could learning how guns wear.
You be learning about the financial, financial literacy. It's all
other types of shit that you could be filling your
brain up with. And y'all want to fill your brain
with entertainment because you want to be entertainment. You want
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to you want to reflect what you like. You are
what you eat, You are what you wear. You wouldn't
wear a shirt you are. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Same shit.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I can't say what you said. You're not gonna wear leticious.
Let's just say this a known evil. You can't even
say that because people what search with serial killers on
it and people accept.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, people wearing wild Days come on like people wearing
all ship.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
All this contradictive. But that's why I don't give a fuck.
That's why I live in my own world, live in
my own reality, in my own video game. I don't
give a fuck nobody thinking about how I do it,
what I do, make more money than me or do
better than me, and what I do. And also I
have the option to be both. Y'a don't even have
the option to be both. You're forced to be a sixteen,
You forced to be a three or four, You forced
to be a travel for I was forced to be
those at a period of time. And I got out
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the game the point and I'm still I beat the game,
I'm still using the game. I beat the game and
still playing with it the same way. Burner doing I
just made the game legal and boom, I'm a genius.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Don't be mad at me because you're still a food.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Can you tell me how many projects you have on DSPs?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Do you have myself or like as a tall together
own like if I go to my own.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yours and then the TSF.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Okay, So my catalog I probably have maybe like.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
It's between twenty seven and thirty albums or something like that,
and the ten in the ten year span from the
Sauce Twins to Sauce Walker, I have between twenty seven
thirty albums almost and especially but by the end of
this year is gonna be for sure full thirty. It
might be a full thirty, and I mean it's kind
of I just know for shure it's somewhere. What about
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just as as the collective as the label I probably own,
I don't know, maybe uh, maybe one hundred and twenty
one hundred and fifty projects like albums because like all
of my friends, I got fifty artists, fifty artists signed
(51:50):
to my distribution in my record label. Ten of them
are producers and they make beats and stuff and they
still have in the they still have albums as well,
like about this of work as well. And then I
got forty some of our artists. It's a little bit
over for it's a little bit over fifty three, but
ten of producers and the other forty artists are like artists.
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And some of the artists that signed to me, people
don't even know that they signed to me, or that
they are autists, or that we have business with each other.
But I still have in on their catalog. So if
you incorporate everybody that's signed to me that have a
fifty fifty split with their catalog on, I probably got
like one hundred and fifty albums.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
One hundred and fifty albums.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Would you say that if you look at that by songs,
each album got like fifteen to twenty songs on it,
So I probably own I don't know, two thousand and
three thousand and four thousand songs.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I have a follow up question for that, but I'm
about to piss my pants.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Can we can? I tell you break?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's break, I'll be back to your catalog.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, so yeah, the catalog. Shit.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Well, I had a question though about the catalog because
you said you said we got we got the vast number.
Recently you linked up with Empire, and I'm wonder were
in like because obviously when you when you link with
the company like Empire, it's a distribution situation, it's label services,
but it's still being independent. But what was the timing
(53:10):
for you to like make the decision to kind of
link up with a guy like Ghazi and bring what
you got going on in Huson and TSF together, what's
going on in the Bay Area Empire.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's a fun story because guys have been trying to
sign me since the beginning of my career. It was
just I was doing business with people at the time
who just didn't see fit for us to do business together.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
And at the time.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
I've always had control over my career, but I was
trying to allow people to have management and have opinions
and things of that like that, and it just it
never worked out for us in the beginning. And when
I finally found distribution, it was before God, I found
a distribution on my own, without guys that having any
or empirement anything doing a part of it. I found
(53:59):
I found distribution in California when I was hanging with
Famous Dicks. I met this guy named Wayne and I
started working with Correct Music vide right, and.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
The guys who scraped the internet.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
They made me million, They made me a more of
a millionaire. I can't. I can never take that from Create,
like d made me a multia.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm saying them, dudes don't have to scrape the internet
for money, like money that's out there that don'tbody.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
Know even this.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, when I first got would Create, just like eight
years ago, and they like, you know, they fell to
my whole catalog and went throughout my YouTube videos and
all them, just the bodies of work that I own
that I allowed them to facilitate, and they came back
with like eighty rax or some shit like that.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
You didn't even know what was out there.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
For I ain't even know that was out there, and like, yeah,
you know, from what you're looking at right now, you
could be making somewhere between eighty two, one hundred and
ten thousand dollars a month just right now.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
And that was like eight years ago. So you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
I got would Create, I brought I brought my whole
label over to Create, and I left my catalog there,
like but I still have probably like a sixteen or
thirteen or twelve album catalog. That's not with Create too,
that's with tune Core. That was like from the very
super getting at premature, premature to yourself stuff, you know
(55:19):
what I'm saying. So when I got to Create, I
start making nothing less than five to six figures a
month for the rest of my life. From that point
from seven years ago, wow, every month, every twenty fifty
every month, I've been getting a six figure to seven
I mean a five figure to six figure check and
that could be anywhere from sixty thousand to two hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
I've never gotten no more.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Than two hundred thousand so far, Like crazy, My goal
is to get like a quarter million a month. So
every point I'm making them, yeah, independent, it's just off
YouTube videos and songs is on the shit. So like
if someone uses your song on a YouTube vide pay
and to use my name right if you use my
artist's name, if you drop a video right now you
put payso name in it, I'm getting paid off of
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it pays.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
So getting paid off of it, that's just period.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
It's like a it's like a nil deal name likeness
and it's the same ship anything that's associated with my name,
even in YouTube.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Even in the Instagram videos.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Like when I go vi all on Instagram and then
then go over to YouTube, I get paid for it
and create just you know what I'm saying, they open
that door to like just really make me my record
AB with me and my friends an actual company, an
actual business to every single of my friends and associates
and counterparts on my record AB. But I'll get a
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check on the twenty fifth every month, Like well, domn
gotta call me or ask me or we don't argue
about like of course, we still got to do business.
And you know what I'm saying, filter shit out of
consolidate shit, make it smaller, or like do audits on
our shop just to make sure everything correct. But like
you know what I'm saying, all of my friends, if
you dropping music and you're shooting videos, then you making money.
(56:56):
We all getting checked. You don't have to do a
concert to get paid. You don't don't have to perform
or do a feature or you know what I'm saying,
You don't have to be on these festivals to get paid.
You getting paid ten bands if my eight bands, if
it's my twelve thirteen, fourteen thousand a month. You know
what I'm saying like some of my lowest tier artists
getting six thousand a month.
Speaker 4 (57:12):
Crazy, You know what, I'm saying this on some cool.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Shit that's so obviously create was great for you, That
was great.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
So when now when you talk about the Empire shit,
it only made sense for me to sign a deal
of any sort with any company. That was only only
if they was going to allow me to not bring
my catalog with.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Me because most companies, so you got a catalog like you,
They're like, yo, we're gonna need to bring that catalog.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Period if you want some millions of dollars from us,
if you want us to do business.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Because if whatever we do together don't work, the catalog
is still going to bringing that bread we're gonna recoup
long term.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah, I wouldn't go in for that because that's not
to me. That's not fair business and music when you.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Probably had nothing to do with what I did back then.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
Absolutely, but y'all want to eat and.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
I was with you, if I want a motherfucking NCAA
championship with UCLA, they had nothing to do with before
I came to the Raptors. And then if when I
played for the Raptors, I went to the playoffs with them.
This many years, I sold this many jerseys, we won
one championship.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
Got you to do I get traded the Blazers.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Has nothing to do with me going to the Blazers.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Brother, y'all shouldn't own what I've done at the Raptors
and what I did that you you u c la
just for me to play for the the what you
said the team you said Blazer Blazers.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Me to play for the Blazers. That don't make sense
done so.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
In reality, Empire was the only It was a few
of them that Connor respected it with Empire like guys
that he actually respected my business mind, he respected my
business module and he he he respected the numbers that
I'm able to pull up put up on my own
without a company, without resources, without an engine, without a machine,
(58:44):
without the being serviced correctly, I'm still creating. I'm generating
six figures of income every month with your annually on
my own. So much is annually I'm generating millions of dollars.
I'm annually every toil much, I'm generating millions of dollars
and then not a small one, like a nice amount.
So if I can do that for myself without having
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all of these weapons that y'all have at Bay, would
I why would me and you just not to build
a new neighborhood together. Why don't we just build a
new catalog together. Because I'm willing to give you that work.
I'm willing to give you five ten, seven, eight nine albums.
If you willing to pay for these albums and put
me in a position in and give them the label
services and the opportunities that they need to work and
the attention that they needed to thrive, then I can
(59:29):
do the same catalog I've created for myself. I can
create that for you. I'm only I signed to the
Empire a year ago. So I was like, I was
just turning thirty three, you know what I'm saying. I
was thirty two turning thirty three, and now I'm thirty
three turning.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Thirty four right now.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
So you know, I'm still at a great position in
my career. I'm in my prime. I'm young, I'm stilling,
you know what I'm saying. Some of my best biggest
artists had their biggest hits from Jiji, The Charge, The
dogph Ross, Lwayne, This is this is they golden eras
in their thirties. You know what I'm saying, they the
initial stage of the of their careers in their twenties.
(01:00:05):
But most of those guys really career started at late twenties,
really thirties to be real. Now we're living in a
new generation where it ever starts in their teens in
they twenties and shit like that, right, but.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Not for sure, not, I just think I just thought
it was interesting. So I was like, yo, like, if
you're an independent juggernaut, Gouds, he's an independent juggernaut, and
I'm a.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Small empire kind of like I'm nowhere near with empire.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Right, But but TSF is a very small.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I'm a small indie major.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Like well, I got a staff, a back office, I
got two commercial places of business, two compounds where my
company is ran and facilitated. And you know, guys, it
was just the only person who was like, you know what,
I see what you got going on.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I respect it, and I'm willing to fund it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I'm willing to give you more and more finances, more weapons,
and I don't want to own your catalog. If you
feel comfortable at one place at a period of time
where you're willing for me to give you x y
Z man the millions of dollars for your catalog to
bring it over here, that we can do that. But
I kind of, you know, like really made it clear
with him. I just don't want to sell my cattle.
I just want to live off of Well, that's something
I can go to getting whatever, going to life.
Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
I can live out there forever. I think.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I tell people, it's like, obviously, depending on what that
catalog number is, certain people been getting like twelve x
what their catalogs worth. I ain't mad at it if
it's like, yo, two hundred million dollars, you know that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
But still like for me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
It's like but but like you said, it's like it's
like that long money.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It's like, we're humans, bro. People go through shit.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
We get in trouble, we go to jail, we wrecked cars,
family get sick, family, Mamaee called Mamanee house, auntie, little cousin,
just graduated. Business ideas, opportunity, spending, habits, having fun, drugs,
just whatever you like to do. Investing all of this
shit takes away from finance. It takes away from your
(01:01:46):
liquor cash, It takes away from your capital. Having a
catalog that you are in the green and you don't
owe anybody recruitment. That's like you own a Chick fil
A two three four Chick fil Ais or you own
some Walmart. So soon hard dealerships to something after all
the bills is paid your And this is the thing
with the music shit too. It feels like it's all
(01:02:08):
profit because you Ben did the work. I Ben did
the music. I been shot those videos, I been did
the mixing, the master I've been released these projects that shit,
been paid for it, but I'm still getting paid for
it right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
It's like owning the movie company. It's it's a huge difference.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, So I don't have to famous TV show goes
into syndication. You're gonna get us.
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Syndicated your risk forever. Whoever the fuck owns Fresh Prince
of Bell Level Martin any of these type of shows
will smith. We don't know if they did the correct
business where they have a grandfather clause where they still
getting paid. But those properties are still making brand new
money in twenty twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, the
same way it was making the ninety five, if not more.
(01:02:45):
Because syndication didn't exist, you couldn't have the same property exists.
And what you have to realize is that the Hulu
is his own universe.
Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Instagram is his own universe.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
It's people that use tiktoks that don't use instagrams, wother
use face the same thing as people that I like
Amazon prompt I don't like Hulu. These are all different universes.
It's to the Boys, great show, right. I love the Boys,
homelanders Homelander. He's crazy and the fast dude. Homelander is
a motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
The greatest greatest villain ever. Like, he's up there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I think Omni Man got him, Omni Man from I
think Omni Man got him.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
But I like, I definitely like Homelander.
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
But Prime got the two Villains zone.
Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
You ain't lying, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So you got people who are like I like what
I like and I just want to watch this talk
about wrestling when w W was WWF.
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
You have people.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
That exactly exactly. So if you have the blessing type
of property that's a streaming property means that it makes
an infinite amount of money. You never have to resupply
it with water. You have to resupply these water bottles, food.
You have to resupply agriculture with a streaming property. Once
it's there, it's making the same money as water, food, oil,
(01:03:58):
and gas. But you don't have to rep we don't
have to replenish it.
Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
It's just there. It's streaming.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
So if you have something that does well there, you're
making money there forever, no matter what you're doing. That's
why we're doing this right here, because once you upload
it and you put it out there, over there forever forever.
So when you own your catalog, you own your music,
you are in that space. You're in that spectrum of
people who live a lifestyle of like a person that's
won the lottery or something and you chose to do
(01:04:27):
it cash.
Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Out, but you get that that bread every month.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Got a fat ass check.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
So that means I can never go bro I mean
I could whatever amount of money that you get, let's
just say you get three hundred thousand dollars a month
for the rest of your life, you can spend the
entire three hundred thousand dollars down another three that's impt
like that doesn't that's crazy, it's crazy, but that's what
owning your catalog as an independent artist is like, if
you're successful, for sure, you're getting a guaranteed ninety thousande
(01:04:54):
twenty one fifty one forty one hundred and twenty five
thousand guaranteed every month. I can flush a hundred TI
And this has nothing to do with all the extra
money I make. And I'm getting two hundred eighty one
ninety But this I had nothing to do when I'm
going to get twenty thousand out of here for this song,
this show, I'm getting eight thousand for this post. I'm
getting ten thousand away these clothes.
Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
No, it's like it's like, at the end of the day,
the streaming is one thing, but if you think you're
just gonna drop one album, like.
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
You got the numbers, so you got the catalog to
where it all makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
But like you gotta you have.
Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
To use the mute compound interest. You have to put
the work.
Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Well, you have to, and you have to once you
put the work in, you also have to understand you
have to use the music as a vehicle for monetization
on all of the fronts because you're really selling a brand,
You're not selling your music.
Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Well, it's interesting because I feel like early on you,
at least from a fans perspective, I feel like somebody
who's not from Texas, someone who wasn't like all the
way plugged in with what you were doing. I feel
like when you would pop up on my algorithm, it
would be usually for negative stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, it used to be used to be that would
like be my thriving forces controverrass.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
And it was always controversy.
Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I wasn't an initiating but I was gonna say, do
you feel like there was a negative aura when your
name would get brought up that you you had to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Absolutely without a shot of a doubt. I am the
guy that beat the black ball. I'm the black nigga
that came out balling.
Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I mean, shit, that's a bar.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
They threw the black ball at me and I came
out blackballing.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Would you said, the industry trying to blackball you.
Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Whoever threw the ball it missed?
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
It was an actual thing though, whoever threw the ball
and it missed, That's all I'm saying. And but that
comes through having catlike legility, matrix like reflexes, and extremuous
work at any missive amount of talent and understanding the
splematics of what I'm going against, the strategy, the game
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plan had making the money buying the calls.
Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Like you know what I mean, I understood.
Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I was gonna say, like, I think back to you
doing the BT site for two years ago. That's about
two years all right.
Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
I think so at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah, and that was like the first time I was like, oh,
ship like coming.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
The powers that be are finally And the crazy part
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Was and that was before Empire too.
Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yes, it was the funny part about that, and not
to laugh at anybody situation, but the fact that BT
did not come on have the wherewithal to know that
they put you on that they knew what they was doing,
that they put you on that beat.
Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Nah, hell no, I'm finna clear the era. No, they
knew what they was doing.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
When I first got the it was it was it
was young Thugs hot listen brother. When I first got
the email, they sent us a Biggie Smalls beat. Everybody
was supposed to be on a Biggie Smalls beat. But
I never confirmed that I was going to do it. Okay,
you know what I'm saying, because you know they was
they was they was doing right by all. I said
like this, I don't know if I can say this point,
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but basically, they they gave blessings to all the artists
that was a part of the freestyles, right, and I
was like, I was like the last I was the
absolute last person that they added on. But they they
was really pushing for me to be on there the
whole time. But they know how to contact me. So
when they finally got into contact with me, they already
had a particular blessing that I there couldn't disagree with,
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and they was like really pressing for me to get
on it because they heard the ghetto.
Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Goys for freestyle stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I've been doing it, Like, man, this would be a
good thing for you to do, and we know you
do good on New York Beat. So we got this
Biggie Smalls beat, so that we're gonna we give you.
I give you a couple days of pressice I think
like a week a week ahead of the time they have.
I gave the pressures, but they've been trying to contact me.
When I sent signed the contract and everything was solidified,
and I sent them the contract bait and I'm gonna
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do it. Next day, they sent the pushing P beat.
Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
He was pushing P That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
The next day, Yeah, when I like, we had been
talking about this the whole time, and then sent the
Biggie beat. And you have to understand this, it's five
at this of course, the decapitation, mutilation, decampitation. But they
made all thirty of those artists that went freestyle that
year get on that one beat just for me.
Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Just to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Okay, Okay, Well, I was gonna say, like, uh, you
know you you had a very huge feud with those
guys for some years now.
Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
I don always not bad on none of these guys.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I was gonna say, it feels like you're obviously very
much I'm too rich, bro.
Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
You know we kind of discussed earlier. You have a
lot to lose and.
Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Disappointment about it.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It's just like I made it, bro Like, And at
the end of the day, I stood ten tolls on
every situation I ever been in. Ain't nobody ever played
at me, Ain't nobody ever shot at me, Ain't nobody
ever did nothing to me in this music industry that
you know what I'm saying. The questions my character me
ain't nobody. I stood ten tolls. Anytime any rawbread attempts,
anything ever of any sort, I come out on top
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and I don't even have I don't even have them
type of situations happened to me. It be about other
people I'm around. The point blame, period, is that I
stood behind my legacy. I stood behind my respect. I
stood behind my work at it and everything that I
achieved than obtaining this game.
Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I did everything I could, blood sweating tis to keep that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
So when it comes to the end result fact that
like where we are now, it's a thing of people
just under in respect the fact of what I've been
able to accomplish the way I did it. They know
I took the long while. They know I didn't take
no short cause they know.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
People were taking credit for shit that you did, words that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
You come on. They know people stole my style, they
know people stole my image. I used to fight and
argue over that shit, but it's like now it's to
the point where I've done enough accomplishments. My accomplishments are different.
My accomplished is are not these platinum pleques on the wild.
My accomplishments are not the awards and shit like that
are being on the choice that people like you know
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use on the stats margin to compare the two. My
my status is being a multi mean and independent owning state,
owning my catalog, on having fifteen all this, I mean
fifty all the time of my shit, fifteen quarter million
dollar calls and up, the accumulating the biggest level features
that the rap industry has, the artist accumulating the biggest
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co signs that the rap game have, the artist independently
being on major platforms, major major features, as myself is
like the BT Awards, the No Jump whatever, just whatever
I do, just in like the biggest period. You know
what I'm saying, the Billboard Awards, all the shit that
I've done in life doing this independently, you know what
I'm saying. Accumulating over a billion streams is a multitude independently.
Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It's crazy people respect me for that, you know what
I'm saying and being.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Then you gotta think how many rappers they came out
in twenty and fourteen, twenty and thirteen that if they
call and they got platinum records, if they called you
right now ask for an interview, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Be interested in doing it. Depends on who it is.
Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
But yeah, maybe right, but I'm saying I love that
era of music. But right, but you're right. I mean, look,
if if the longevity, if the click value is not there,
you're just doing it for a nostalgic just for the
nostalgia the section. I appreciated you a period of time
as artists, and I want to be on my shoulder
to to to dissect your brain, to ask you some
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questions that I personally want to know that I feel
that if youwers want to know. But as far as
my minium algorithm and engagement to your views, you're gonna
pick artists who it makes sense, you know what I'm saying.
And a lot of artists because some of them it
was because of their music, but a lot of them
is because they may pour business business decisions early on
(01:12:26):
in their career. They're not able to make a second breath,
like they say in sports, I got my second breath.
Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I mean, you know the one guy I always think
about it, I was like rich Homi Kwan. He got
in that fucked up record deal. He couldn't drop music
for all those years, and then it was like by
the you know, he was one of the ones, you
know what I'm saying, but the artists so a lot
of your beat, Like I wonder like you kind of
seeing what someone like Thug is going through because you
guys had a very serious slime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Even though I don't fuck with slime and I don't
fuck with the mentality of slim shit, but free young Thug.
Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I don't even want to say I don't like slim.
I'm splack.
Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I don't like the mentality of and behavior of back
doing your friends, back doing your potner, because that's really
what slim means, the slimy behavior slam somebody out, that's
just the fuck out of bullshit.
Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Like we we real niggas, we were men, and us
as leaders, we play a.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Duty and a responsibility as influencers to what the people
that look up to us think it's cool and think
it's respectable or think it's honorable in the in whatever
society that you want to look at it, whether it's
just normal human beings of men, or whether it's the streets,
whether it's the hood, whatever, I don't fuck with the
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slim ship and look and just so happens, Young Thud
got slimmed out by some of his own friends in.
Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
The courtroom crazy because artists own.
Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Artists, people that you change their lives, people that you
you you you made money for them and their families,
and they don't have the dignity and the integrity to
stand in the courtroom and and stay solid on whatever
y'all caught. Codes and mores is for all of y'all's freedom,
and if all I have to lose your freedom together
to keep that, you know what I'm saying at Bay
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and then come out and do it again like baby
somebody and his friends or whoever. And that's that's what comes.
That's what comes with that lifestyle. That's what comes with
the choices that we make. That's what comes with the
brotherhood and the solitude.
Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Of any uh.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I don't even know what you call it, but a
league of men. It doesn't matter if you're the alpha
five brotherhoods, a brotherhood, a coalition, a business. We have rules,
we have we have a belief system, you know what
I mean. So to me, I feel like the slime mentality.
It's basically just boils down to me over everybody. You
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know what I'm saying, I'll do whatever, I'll do anything,
backstabbing and within my power to make sure that I
come out on top of whoever I think is weak
of honorable. And I think some of the most week
as people are the people that pray on the week
and that's what that's what the slanneship really mean. But
just as a as a person and as all that,
like why man now life, Like none of these rappers
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ever did nothing to me. I never gonna allow nobody
to do nothing to me. I move or something type
of way.
Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
You don't see anybody incarcerated.
Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
And at the end of the day, what I'm saying
so sad.
Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
It's sad to see like damn everybody. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
It's like the most famous ones, the one who ain't
who ain't saying ship.
Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
You know, and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It's about structuring order amongst the brotherhood that you have.
If y'all don't, if you don't have discipline, order amongst
your brotherhood, and everybody just we all getting money or
we all we all rying for each other, but.
Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
You gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Well, when she gets real, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
And that's the thing about it. She always get real,
even when it's going well always you always have signs.
They don't they don't lead with an iron fist correcting
these signs. Y'all not fighting each other, y'all not addressing
issues when something got stolen and y'all not addressing it.
Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Rumors that you heard, we heard you said this and
this and that.
Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
So now we're fin to hold a meeting and everybody, Finn,
come circle up, and we're fin the whole court for
what we heard you did was wrong when you put
a little talking to this girl or whatever. And then
if whatever we feel this is wrong, it's gonna be
a disciplined action behind that.
Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
As brothers.
Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
We're not gonna hurt you like you're not finna take
your life, but none of that. But it's gonna be
some disciplined action amongst us as men. Just like with
a job, you get, you get fired, you get viol
you get a violation, you get administrative leave, you get
a dock on your pay. It's a penalty for fucking up.
So it's the same thing amongst us as men and
the League of Gentlemen. Thereir penalties for sucking up. And
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if you don't execute and stand on all those principles
when things get real and they get shaky, and you're
gonna have a bunch of people with shaky legs on
you that's gonna turn on you no matter how many
times you feed their child. I mean, how many times
you gave their mama cars in medicine, gave them a career,
gave them a career. And that's that's fucking disgusting, just
being honest. If because how they say no man owes
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another man anything initially, and that also plays for the
man who's who is the leader in that circle, young thug,
then owe them people nothing. I don't owe you a
rap career. I don't owe you a song. I don't
owe you a feature. I don't owe you jurry money
called free clodes from a lot of people that want
to They want to give me this stuff. They don't
want to give it to you. They want to give
this stuff to me for what I'm doing, how hard
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I'm working. I'm choosing to share this with you. I'm
choosing to give it to you because I genuinely fuck
with you. I like you, I want you around me. Then,
when it comes to whatever goes on as far as
protecting each other, protecting each other lives, that's what comes
to being a soldier in the warrior, That's what comes
to being a human. If any sort of success, you
got to get security.
Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
You have to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
You have to think of enemies people who want to
That's animal nature and a jungle.
Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
People hunt each other.
Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Animals hunt each other to be the most dominant dominant
animal in the safari. So that should not be a
castigu to see or a point or reason for a
person and feel like, well, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Switch on you when it gets real or we get.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
In trouble, because I felt like I was doing this
and this and that for you in the streets were
all doing We all taking sacrifices and chances for each other.
Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
All are taking chances for each other.
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And it's and at the end of the day, with
that situation, obviously a big music in the price you know,
it's like huge, Yes, it's like what I made.
Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Everybody a millionaire music.
Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Everybody has a huge deal fu having the catalog and
doing what they did it. They did it that way. See,
this is one thing about me. I'm a realist. I
never hate. I'm not no hater, bro, I'm real like
I'm I'm me, I'm gonna be a god rich superstar,
and as long as I'm on this earth, I'm gonna
be Himan. Even after my life, I'm gonna be him.
And I don't planning on going nowhere, no time soon.
So I'm very happy with where I'm at. But at
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the end of the day, people always comparing contrast what
I do or what other people do that either stole
me a stall my style or like, you know what
I'm saying, fun of me. All people that I get
into it with and they success, and my sister what
they crew and they and guess what we all meanings.
We all medicines and says, and we all have been
through things where we're getting in trouble. We gotta go
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through shit. But my people, we solid you know what
I'm saying. We love each other a different type of love.
It's not just for the cameras. It's not for the
famous not to be saying words that we are we
are we are we are Splash, we are Sauces, we
are Slam. Now, this ship really means something to us
and our heart and our soul. To be able to
be a representation of this, to to have this on
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your skin, to be of this cloth, like there's something
that it's a different honor and a different code in
the streets that if you really are that, you would
never want to tournish that, no matter what the other
person done. You would never want to tornish your name
and your legacy. You would never want to put smut
on your name. You want to be an honorable man
and this shit forever bro so for people to be
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with and to risk that and the relationship with with
somebody like young thug who changed all that life, I
feel empathy for him, you know what I'm saying regardss
of whatever I had personally with him as a man.
I don't wish jail on my worst enemy, you know
what I'm saying, somebody who's my superdue worst enemy, Like
he's never been my worst enemy.
Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
That's on raph.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I never did an enemy, you know what I'm saying, physically,
somebody who's my worst enemy or real life. I wish
for you not to be on earth. I don't wish
for you to be in jail, right, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
So that's fair talk to me about Well, First of all,
I just want to give you props because your la
Leakers freestyle thank You was h incredible and it was
just filled with so much game. You packed so much
punch into that dog. That shit was crazy. I feel
(01:20:38):
like recently, finally, because like you said, you were dropping
those freestyles, I kind of caught the attention to B
T and shit. But I feel like over the last
like twenty four months or so, people have finally started
to give your flowers and respect in terms of like
your talent as a real top tier MC. Obviously you
torn on the road with Griselda and Conway and those
guys those I mean that Dan, just Damne. Your shit
(01:21:00):
is fucking crazy. Do you feel like finally you're starting
to get your flowers when it comes to just the
tear of mcu are because you obviously care a lot
about the craft of rapping, not just what it.
Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Can bring you.
Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Again, I hate to keep regurd just hating and saying
the same shit like I'm just cut from a different cloth,
Like I'm a nineties baby. I was born nineteen ninety,
you know what I'm saying. June nineteen ninety, you know
what I'm saying. So I grew up in an era,
a tender era of hip hop where has style and
flavor and individuality, and you know what I'm saying, more
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simple styles of music, but there were still captivating to
the ear, to the audience. Starts to emerge, but lyricism
is still important. Yes, lyricism is still still dominant my
entire time of falling in love with hip hop and
the way hip hop was given to me, even though
I was giving hip hop through DJ Screw and slow
the music and ship like that, which again is I
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don't want to say it's not punchlines driven, because it is.
It's a huge amount of punch lines in our free
style rap culture. But it's that's It's just not the
main point. It's not the I feel like kind of
like the real.
Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Like if you're digging into out like it was really bun.
Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Big Yeah, like bun Bee Chamellionaireire know what I'm saying,
uh Ki Ki has some punchlines to poll while two
you know what I'm saying, comeaning up punchlineord.
Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
But again, like I said.
Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
In the Houston music lineage, like even within the Screw culture,
it's like different breakords and different tiers of how we
segregate them.
Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
You know what I'm saying, how we look at them,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
So where you to be honest, when you hear a
huge amount of the lyrical structure and the lyrical capability
that comes from tastes, It's in the pain music, you
know what I'm saying, From the likes of the Zeros,
the Jade Doll, bun Bees, guard Face, pim SPM, like
you know what I mean. Like that, that's another huge
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part of Houston culture. And like I'm like the I'm
like the Prodigy and the the mutant baby of all
of that shit. Like I'm the best version of everything
Houston was good at.
Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
I'm the best version of it.
Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
I'm my best lyricist without a question, and like the
world been through that.
Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
But it was a combination.
Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Of me overcoming the black ball and then also me
being arrogant.
Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
You know, I was young. I was arrogant a lot
of shit.
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I didn't want to do it, Like I was still
in the streets a lot, you know what I'm saying.
So a lot of publications I didn't want to come
do with the interviews or I didn't want to do
the free I said there earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
A lot of shit. Sometimes I feel like I might
talk too much.
Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I didn't want to, you know what I'm saying, Younger,
I ain't want to do some of the publications that
I could have done the freestyles though I've been one
through do a lot of the freestyles that I do now,
but I just didn't have the same resources and that
come that came over time, but people giving me my
respect from getting it through other ways.
Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
So that's why I agree with you with a met percent.
Like the reachs that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I have now with the higher platforms, it's not no.
It's no platform in the world who not only doesn't
know me but doesn't want to work with me now,
and I have to.
Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Go along route around viral and working hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
But from a lyrical standpoint, like just be just me
being honest with myself and the fans like just no
Bush And you can go through my discography and see
this shit. You can go through my my Sorry for
the Sauce mixtapes that I was did. Sorry for the
Sauce one, two, and three. I think I think I
think I did three of them. It's time to do
four now, so you have there. I'm one of the
best rappers to ever come ever Pier.
Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
There was like whispers, I feel like, because you know,
I'm pretty tight with a lot of the Griselda guys.
Was there ever like a discussion of you doing an
album with Griselda?
Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Really was a few albums with Moselda, like and we
still work together to this day.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Because you on all Darringer beats for an album.
Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
No, I have, No, that's my album I have. You
know that's coming out this year. That's happening. That's happened.
That's happening.
Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
And I thought you saying like you're just blacking out
on all every song, every song, and then it's all
crazy about it is the album. It is two years old,
like I did the album two years two years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
This shop is supposed to been come out, and just going.
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Through all the process to release it because it's a sample,
it's a sample.
Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah, but that's so crazy. I been did that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
That's what I'm saying, Like, even when that album dropping,
everybody going crazy of it, like it's still not gonna
even reflect the lyrical capability that I have still, but
it's great album and it's gonna do great. But I'm
I just get better every day and I've been this
good too, Like I've been rapping like ghetto gospel and
punchlines like this. I'm a batter rapper, like I come
from that. I come from batter rapping and freestyling, and
(01:25:56):
like I stopped. I recorded my first song in the
student Yeah, when I was six years old, nineteen ninety six.
That's the first time I stood in the studio and
in front of what like is with a headphone and
a real booth, like I'm a feno.
Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
So crazy because that freestyle you dropped, I just was like, Yo,
so many people are finding out about Sauce for the
first time off this freestyle. I love it though, And
it's so crazy because you get like, there's a few
freestyles that have come out of the last like four
or five years that I felt like, like, Yo, if
you just listen to that freestyle, you could really kind
of like applicate somebody of your bars, to your life,
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to your person, man.
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
And that's the type of rapper that I am. Like
other type of artists.
Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
You could close your eyes and listen to my lyrics
and you could see every single thing that I'm saying,
like the most vivid narrarator to a book to a novel, Like,
that's just the type of artist that I am, even
in my fun music and my grip music and like
the exciting shit. And that's I think that's been also
one of the like the determining factors that people necessary
(01:26:55):
they respected me as a lyricist as well as that
I'm so versatile.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
So versatile, you can do anything, do anything.
Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I do rep any style, any be any language, any BPM,
Like it is nothing that I cannot do on the
court as far as being an artist singing rap hormonized,
It's nothing that.
Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
I can't do well, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like.
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
That's another thing that kind of take away from people
just straight looking at me as a lyricist, because it's
something you might you might catch the singing saucewalker on
accident first. You might catch the dripping and the pippin
saucewalker first. You might catch the street gang banging saucewalker first,
you know what I'm saying, the slide music then, or
you might catch the financial literacy and the mental wealth
(01:27:38):
and wellness and ghetto gospel. Like it's so many different
right angles that I mastered.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Can you break down something you said in your freestyle
that I've been seeing a lot of people talk about
recently is how business lines of credit work. We're talking
about you said, financial literacy. Give me the game on
if you have an LLC, if you haven't corporation, how
can you leverage a business line of credit?
Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
And what is that and how.
Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Have you been able to kind of because I've seen
a lot of people talking about that.
Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
It's like something that they're doing, like.
Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Well, because it's not yours, because you say and you say.
Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Use their money absolutely absolutely, And to be honest, I
hated OPM an first.
Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Other people's money.
Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
That's what they call it, right, And I feel like
sometimes you get brainwashed it like now you do it yourself,
David Ramsey, shit.
Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Right like that you just so like I said, it's
a divine battle. It's like good versus evils. Do it
by yourself, be independent on everything. And then it's also
uh not not to say that if you can't beat them,
join them, but that everybody needs somebody. All the greatest
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companies in the world are not raned by a single person,
that ran by a great team. Correct teamwork makes the
dream work.
Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
So it's like, even though it's like a car, bro
a car ain't nothing but a bunch of tools and
pieces of metal and fluid until a human being gets
in that motherfucking operator. That's why they're trying to change
it to autonomous vehicles that drive themselves. And even with that,
without the car being connected to the grid and the
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internet and GPS and all of those service that costs,
they're not gonna move itself.
Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
You know what I'm saying. It's the team.
Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
And guess with all of them components and the human
and the car, it's like you could take one component
out and it don't work. You take the wheel off,
now all of that shit that we were just talking about,
it don't work. Still off a fucking wheel a tire.
So what I'm saying, so when I look at business
from that aspect, it's like, Okay, damn yeah, it's great
to be an owner and to be a self sufficient
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business or you know what I'm saying, soul proprietor owner
or you know what I'm saying, business person, that's great,
but you gotta have a team. You gotta let other
people make money, you gotta let other people eat, you
gotta do business with other people to expand. So now
where you said from the business a business a line
of credit. I didn't agree with that at first because
it's like, so, what is that essentially a taking a loan.
(01:30:07):
You're taking a loan out as you're taking the loan
from your entity, calibrated to how much money that you're
accumulating as a business.
Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Right, that's what they.
Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Because every business has credit, just like every human has credit.
Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Right, So we're going off of the trust of how
much money are you accumulating annually, which is that's a year,
how much you're accumulating monthly, and then they give you
a baseline of credit to okay, if your company is evaluated,
it is so much and you when we look through
your bank's sales, this is all the different transactions that
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you have to show us xyz amount of money. So
therefore we feel that at the leverage of your business though,
because you're putting this at the leverage of the credit
of your business, right, so that we will give you
fifty thousand dollars, we'll give you twenty thousand dollars, and
then over a period amount of time at a probate rate,
you're supposed to pay that fifty thousand dollars back. And
when you pay that fifty thousand dollars back, they're going
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to give you an even bigger line of credit. So
usually for most people, most people that have the common
sense to go do this type of stuff, they already
have already made five figures. Already, they already making twenty
thirty fifty thousand dollars in some way, type or form.
So now you show that in business that you can
be a fucking barber and show that shit.
Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
You know what I'm saying. You can be a barber and.
Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
You're gonna use that barbiera like buy the barbershop or
that whatever. It's the same thing with the he lock.
If you have a home right you can pull out
your bread. Let's say you want to go flip a property, y'all,
I'm gonna pull out some bread from my house, pull
out the pay it.
Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Back it back, and then boom, Now own two properties
or I sold a property, my house is paid for
an app.
Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
And I made eighty thousand off the profit of the
other one.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Exactly, it's the same. It's the same difference with business.
And the thing about like you said, music is twelve x.
Regular business is ten X. Digital abausicy digital business is
twenty five X. So like if you're on the website
or something that's five and an app that's twenty, you
sell that to.
Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Oh no, the app money is crazy twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
If you can hear twenty five, it's twenty five ks.
Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
If you said that's a Hinge fund investment fund, that's
twenty fives.
Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Are you fucking with crypto?
Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I had a bunch of money crypto, but I don't
like it though. But I made money on XRP on
some rap shit promo. I was on Ripple too, Ripple,
That's why I made my money from Ripple.
Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I had, I had a guy.
Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
It was like in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Seventeen, twenty seven. I bought a Maybag off of that ship.
Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Twenty seventeen, I had a guy. It spiked in December.
Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Listen, I got in I had. I got in when
it was like thirty cent.
Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
He got into crypto. He bought WILLI D's cord and
lost his ass shot to the getto.
Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
I didn't see see. I got blessed. I didn't have
to buy my coin.
Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
But you were early I was there too.
Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah, I didn't have to buy my coin.
Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
That's how I got my may back of twenty seventeen,
twenty sixteen, whenever there was twenty eventeen. I had a
guy x RP mayback right. I did a commercial about
it and everything. I had a guy like you're saying,
a rap hustle, shit, leverage in the rap hustle.
Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Wow, someone someone hits you to plug the XRP ship boom.
Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
He had.
Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
He had a telegram class called Winter's Cloud. Oh shit, yeah,
and he had like I think it was like I
don't know when he met me. I think he had
like eighty students or something, eighty students paying like five
hundred dollars a month or some shit. Eighty students planing.
He was making some cool little money yeah. Then and
then he also was he was like a shark on
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the crypto shit, and he was like doing real good
in crypto. He had like a lot of money in crypto,
but he only wanted to pay me at crypto and
I hated that shit. So I did the first commercial
with him in crypto. I started up through cryptocount. We
did forty thousand dollars for the commercial. The big old
commercial for on talked about the crypto put out money
on the internet and said about all this stuff if
y'all can get on crypto XR people, but.
Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Follow his class, his classes. We taught me how to
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
His class went from like he was theret a one
hundred hundred students first commercial got him to like one
hundred and fifty almost two hundred students, which return of
investment a good all while.
Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
So then he wanted to do it monthly.
Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
So I'm like, bro, we're doing this shit monthly, Like
I'm not with the crypto shit.
Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
You gotta pay me cash.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Like I need cash, bro, Like I want money, So like,
all right, fuck it, bro, I'm gonna get We're gonna
do seven months, forty thousand a month for one commercial
a month. So we did half of the year seven months,
and then it went good. We end up doing the
full year. So I made four hundred some thousand off
of doing the commercials with him, right, but the first
forty thousand.
Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Then he gave me cripto, so I p right.
Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
That was when they were for four hundred, because listen,
it was thirty cents.
Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
It was like up to like three bucks. I got
I pulled out of a dollar.
Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Oh but still I went.
Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Crazy though, I went crazy, and then like I then
like we did some some weird like we did some
songs with him, like he wanted to dude, like you know,
we were hustling. But he's a good guy. I love
gotta love him to it's a good friend of mine,
good friend of mine. But we like made him an
x RP song and shit like that. So I gave
like some crypto to my partners, and he gave me
more crypto. He was like, yeah, we just start like
(01:34:51):
spreading the sh around. But I pulled out when it
was a dollar.
Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
I mean, you made money because it because it's spiked.
Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
And I turned forty thousand, and then you know how
that shit go be going down up, So basically it
went down to like thirty two, right twenty something, and
then all of a sudden they just went.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
That ship's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I went looking at the ship because you know how
that shit goes. I got hooked up in one phone
I only got I got the pass word and the
coin base app on one phone I ould have then
that lost the phone got to find Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I had a friend of mine, bro who lost his
he had everything on a hard ledger. He had about
thirty or forty grand on there and lost it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
I got I gotta lucky, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
They say there's like million, hundreds of millions of dollars
of lost bitcoin for sure, floating.
Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Into almost lost my phone hundred thousand. I just got
lucky that I found the call my manager. I found
the phone at my manager the house one day. Connected
that one phone. Yes, connected to that one phone, bro.
I found the phone. The screen was broke, fixing the
phone the morning. But it was cool, though it was, it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Was some cool.
Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I got to ask you, man, you know, I know
you had a relationship with Dolph resting piece to Doph.
Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Yeah, you've been in like you were.
Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
In La you had that situation where it was around
the time you recorded your freestyle the Guy, the Guy.
Obviously there was a famous video of the blood on
your shoes and all that shit. How when you see
like you've been in those types of situations where you
could have lost your life, you see friends who you're
close with throughout the music industry losing your life. I'm
(01:36:22):
sure people who we don't even know that are your
friends from your hometown that have lost their life. How
does that affect your mental because you're someone who's like
out the fuck side, you know what I'm saying, very
very accessible.
Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
You're a man of the people. But when you lose a.
Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Guy like Dolf or you see what happens to Nipsey,
you know these people who lost their life in their hometown,
you know, does it make you second guess your approach
to how you go outside, like moving around a certain way?
Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
I mean for.
Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Number one, again, like everybody hometown in the city and
state is different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
But at the same time, how can I say this.
Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I'm a person that believes in every ten years, you
have to make an example for people to understand the
respect that you.
Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Demand as a human being.
Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
And I'm a person that I'm always gonna make sure
that those examples have been made to gain my respect
as a as a as a person. And I've done
that way before this rap shit Like I grew up
in gang wars, violence fights, going to jail, going to penitentiary,
(01:37:43):
you know what I'm saying, fighting with shanks, And you
know what I'm saying, a fucking fan putting a fan
motor in.
Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
A sock and using it like a numbruck. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
You get hit one time, yo, eye socker down there
breaking come out like.
Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I've seen a different type of darkness, like regarded to
all the OUI and the q shit and bubbos in
my head like I'm a crack baby, Like I come
from a different type of savagery. So my comfort, my comfort,
and my peace is in the midst any abits of savagery.
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That's that's who feel the most comfortable around me. That's
who I feel most comfortable around because we want them
the same. And a lion knows a lion, a gorilla
knows a gorilla, a bear knows a bear, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
But it feels like sometimes it's the goat or the
fucking calf that comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
No, that's that's where.
Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
That's where again where I say, it's examples that got
to be made, and there's good examples and bad examples.
Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
They got to be made.
Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
And we have to understand that nobody's bigger than the
next person, you know what I'm saying. So just when
you're a superstar and you somebody who's known in the
position of power, you gotta give back as well. You
have to give back charity, you gotta give back money,
you gotta give back opportunities. You got to give bad clothes, food,
the things that are nothing to you, or the things
that you have an overabundance of, you have to give
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those things back. But just like you have to give
that back, it's certain ass whoopings that you gotta give
back as well. And a child without a ass whooping,
or they don't know that you are a person that
likes to kick ass, then they're gonna be rebellion to
you and they're gonna do things to you that's insubordinate
or this cause chaos because you don't apply order. I'm
(01:39:35):
a person that I'm very very stern on applying order
in my hometown, in somebody else town wherever I'm at.
And that's why I'm people people who don't or people
like when they say that shit about checking in, Like
if you don't a person that don't check in or
that don't fuck with gangsters and people, that's a person
(01:39:55):
that's like minding you. When you go to the city
state you not like that you're not or you coming
or you're coming to this place with all of your
resources and in lines of defense with you to basically
try to it's not even the user word in truth.
You want to visit this person land to do what
you want to do in their land, but you can't
(01:40:16):
be thinking that you're going to do this permanently and
stay here without having some type of a mishap of confusion.
And I'm a person that grew up in so much confusion,
so much controversy, so much violence, that I just know
how to weather then deal with it so well, because
that's what my whole like, like my whole entire childhood,
Like like you google this shit, like look me up.
(01:40:38):
There's not nothing like my life, not a secret ex
around Houston like Texas, like us. My entire life has
been so riding around violence, and that's rather subsiding violence,
engaging in violence, or you know, having the mental capacity
and respect to talk and a situation that's very very
(01:41:01):
dangerous where we all could lose our lives right now,
but I understand how to make conversation and wags of
war to what we both can leave and go home
and see our families and gain the level of respective
understanding for whatever the problem was and get to a
resolution to their problem in the midst of water. And
(01:41:23):
a lot of artists, a lot of people shy a
right away from that. They don't want to deal with
their hands on they that hear about it, or they
know it's a problem, and they allow a problem to grow.
I don't allow problems to grow. Problems have to be
put your hand on the problem.
Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
If it's an ant bed, you have to get that
ant bed out of your grass, or you need to
build an.
Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Ecosystem where you and ants can live together in peace
and harmony.
Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
It is interesting because, as you know, everyone's moving to
Texas right now.
Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Yeah, so you got all of it.
Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Yeah, I mean it's I love it. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Whether it's Dallas or Houston, it feels like or Austin,
Austin's lit.
Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Yeah, I love you. I love that everybody's coming to Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I like it's people don't want to pay taxes, man,
and they want to.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
I don't know why people think you come in here,
you're not gonna pay taxes, Like we have taxes.
Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Don't got property taxes. Yeah, you ain't got state tax.
Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
No, we don't have a state tax.
Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
State tax.
Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Thirty if you make some money to be in the
state of California.
Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Yes, so add that with your federal tax, you're giving
up half your money.
Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Oh yeah, no, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
You know we don't have that's what well, I never
thought about that. But when you talk about like property tax, and.
Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
That's why Elon's over there making tessels out there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Now, yeah, all of Yeah, we got testlatle buildings everywhere,
like huge ass tessela facilities everywhere all over the state
of Texas for sure, Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
And all them this shit, Yo, I love it. Though
it's more money.
Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
It's like, like I said, our economy raises, ecosystem raises,
do everything raises when everybody from around the world comes
and see how amazing of a place that Texas is
and the opportunities that we could create and share together.
But it's up to the people that's from Texas to
to take a leading force in the leading hand and
what's going on in the evolution of our state.
Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
How you feeling about the Rockets, Man, great young team.
Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
I think we got a.
Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Great I think the Texas period we've got great teams
like the Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
We got a great team. C J.
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Stroud, Uh they just signed, just got step fun Diz.
We got a great sports team, you know what I'm saying.
We got some good coaching.
Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Now. I think the Houston Rockets a great team.
Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Books uh Green Van Fleet saying sant Goon is a beast.
Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
He's my favorite one of all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
The Sam the Center excuse me, Turkish motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
All right, that's that's our droger, that's our joker.
Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Like I got you one of them Europeans, he's gonna
be that boy. We got some good Dirk the Winskey
down that we're cool. I like him being there. And
then the Dallas Mavericks was just in the.
Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Championship and the Rangers just want to.
Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
And the Rangers just won the world title right after
the Houston Houston that shows won too. So like all
of those spaces, Texas is doing great. That's why I
be so passionate about the music part.
Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
We talked about.
Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Man, I think I think right now Texas in good hands.
Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
No, we're doing great right now, but it's still more
work than needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
But right now we're doing great.
Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Right now, I'm on the fans ass like right now
the artist is doing whatever they supposed to be doing
right now, my vendetta or my beefer who people who
I feel need to be corrected is the is. The
is the consumers, the fans, and the party promoters, y'all.
The are you party promoters? Are you of club owners
and store vendors and event planners and all that shit?
(01:44:36):
And and the fans of people that's from the community,
the regular people love the artists that's from And this
is not a problem that I really did with like
that because I'm I'm I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Really him, But.
Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Just as a universal growth of my state and my city,
it's still greater opportunities that I miss out on as well,
because it's not enough. See, the hater wants to be
the owner nigga, that's the big popping stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
No nigga, Well, who is Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
If he don't got nobody else in the NBA to
play against, Sure, he's just another tall nigga that runs
fast and jump high. If you don't have competitive nature
around you to where the world wants to see what's
going on in your backyard, then it means nothing. So
even though I'm saucewalking, I'm great making the status she's
making him saying she's great. Uh uh, Travis Scott is
(01:45:24):
Travis Scott, He's great. We all of these great superstar
missive stars of cultural cultural pieces on different levels. But
we still need all of the the Jermans and the
ot B's and the Maxo Crans and all these other people.
We need the big EXA plugs, D bat D baby
Payso we need more and more and more and more
(01:45:44):
of that. Because I don't I may not be able
to knock down the door that you can't knock down.
I think I might not be the person that brings
Nake to the city but you pout to do. I
might not be the person that could bring fucking Universal
Studios or whatever this company was to the hit.
Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
I think I think, you know, also like bringing it
like like you said, you you you have that compound
space that you could bring people to do.
Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
That show it's happening. Everybody ain't got the money to
do that show.
Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
What I'm talking about the artists that were you know,
obviously there's artistic.
Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Stead this ship called money, bro, Like, come on, bro,
when you got people, you got to think everybody's trying
to keep up with the Joneses. They're not getting that
fat ass chack every money they living off of. I
got paid one million dollars one time. I got paid
two million dollars one time, and I got to stretch
out this two million dollars until I go on to
and get paid. Hey man, people, I feel like Posts.
It's different post moone has the power. No, yeah, those guys,
(01:46:36):
That's what I'm saying. But come on, Post moved to Utah.
I don't even want to be intensive. They don't want
to be intentions to deal with the politics, right, they
don't want to deal with that. That's why Person Night
Sauce Walker is so important. Because I got the millions,
I got the power, I got the fame, I got
the start them. I got all this ship to leave
Texas and the win and never look back and get
bigger and bigger. But I stayed right, and I continue
(01:46:59):
to fight and stay and make Texas greater, and I
continue to be relevant. I stay rich, I stay bottling
what new cyber truck out, we bound tyber truck road
ortchu we bound roads, ruts, change costs.
Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
House or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
I keep my my I keep my stats up to
the point to where every person that from Houston or
front side of Texas has the same things to be
proud of and be happy or that they have that
other people from these other cities and states have. And
then I make these other starts acknowledge it and love
it and respect that when they come to my city
the same way I do to them, and they just
(01:47:32):
needs to be appreciating more all around the city.
Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
And You're right, these artistics is making money.
Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Need to do things to invest into the city and
the culture like I'm doing, Like having real estate. If
you could do it, then do it. But it's hard.
I'm paying seventy five hundred a month for my compound
in Houston on top of having five houses that I have,
on top of having another compound and bro in Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
You know what I'm saying. We're just talking about to
be there.
Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
We ain't saying all the bills and all the eighty
thousand dollars for fucking renovation, the floor, POxy, floors, cool ash,
you know what I'm saying, Like everybody for sure able
get it, but just try try.
Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Try anything coming music wise.
Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
My album just dropped Man South After two out right now,
Soft Water two, a second addition to a series that
I started a long time ago to that. Now I'm
officially making the series. Most of my music got do.
Most of my albums are serious pieces. Yeah, damn j
album on the way. My story is growing. Have the
(01:48:32):
other store in Miami, the sauspect three of Miami and Brickel.
We got my boat Potential Watercrab, and have a boat
company that I own.
Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
My artist dropping music.
Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
We're trying to get into movies and films and trying
to get into you know, voice acting and you know,
just working hard. I'm gonna put out a large body
of work within the next two years, like music wise,
because I'm thirty four years old. Now I'm a millionaire.
I'm still making my money. I'm going but I want
to hear in your prime, my primes. I'm over. I'm
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an overdo this ship and then I'm gonna take a
period of time where I exploring other ship.
Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Hey man, you got you could do a lot, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
So, like you said, voiceover ship acting, whatever there it is,
Sauce Man, I appreciate you finding pla away.
Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Hey man, it's been a pleasure. I've been wanting to
come here for a long time. Man, I'm glad we
got to do it, fire,
Oi, Hey, my insight man as the kid it did
Saucewalker Man. Right now we on bootleg Keill splashing and
high fashion and dripping and never slipping.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
OUI yo Boutlet Cavs show Man special guests in here.
I would like to give this man his flowers because
I do feel like there are very few artists who
have heavy influence on culture, of heavy influence on some
of the biggest artists in the game, but don't get
their credit. I would like to say softwalka one of
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the most influential rappers the last decade or so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He's here the h town legend.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Uie.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I appreciate those flowers. Those are very truthful words, you
know what I'm saying. That's a different side of the
truth that some people don't want to, you know, reciprocateor
acknowledge how many huge stars that like have actually built
the whole makeup off of, you know, the Saucewalker legacy
and my style and my indifference.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And your slang slang fashion fashion.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It'd be funny sometimes because I hear some people say
it'd be funny, like I hear like the fans of
the coming they'd be like, you look like an older
version of so and so, and they'd be funny, like
they just don't know that they're really looking at this
artist reimulating me. You know, they know you mean that
they're like a younger version of me, is what you're
trying to say.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, because you've been doing this shit for I mean
dog years at this point, Like I think I just
told you. I think the first time we worked I
DJed for you at a show randomly was maybe like
ten years ago, nine years ago, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I've officially like been is a successful superstar artist
for like ten years. I've been rapping like the TSF
things starting like twenty thirteen. I blew up twenty fourteen.
It's twenty twenty four right now. Yeah, that's a full
decade like on paper, but you know, the battle in
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the fight for the success it has been allowed lifelong journey.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I think about like, you know, so many people
have came to Houston and gotten and you know there's
guys like Drake giving back to Houston a lot, and
like Mad made it a point you out of his
way to kind of like still be there for Houston,
show up, do events, and you know, but I just
feel like Houston is like one of them markets that's
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kind of like the Bay Area in California, where so
many people have like taken from it, but for whatever reason,
the credit has never really necessarily like attributed to it
as much as it should be.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I feel that it's a it's like a fifty fifty
stake and responsibility for that truth like which that is
one hundred percent the truth of like the the legacy
and the lineage of Houston has been appropriated and uh
recycled without Houston getting the recognition and the flowers or
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the opportunities that come from the ideas and the culture
and the instance of Houston. But I I blame fifty
percent of the responsibility of that on the industry. I
blame the other fifty percent on the city of Houston, Texas,
because we have become more of a consumers market than
a seller's market. And that's not the original, that's not
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the origin of Texas sound, not even just Houston, Texas
as a whole. We're known for being independent artists, whole
sellers of coming from by these CDs out the trunk,
you know what I'm saying, Self distributed, self distributed selling US.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Wrap a lot records.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
What do we chop a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Records, A solemn markers, a screw up click workers, switcher house,
swave house.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It goes on and on, dope house, it goes on
and on.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
All of these are independent, millionaire, multimillionaire record labels and distributions, so.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So South distributions. I can just keep going on.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's uh so so many different pillars in the state
of Texas that have been even in DSR, and that
nothing just cut them.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Off the dsorry. Remember DSR, right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's so many different Texas pillars who have been independent
and made mellions and millions of dollars nothing less than
six figures high, six figures a year off of being
independent and representing, being engulfed and like overly loving and
appreciating our sound. The Internet kind of fucked it up.
The Internet broke that up. Like people from the Bay
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will never get out of enjoying and representing the cultures
and the fruits of Bay Area ways like the hairstyles
having a duct tail or the long dread, something like
that if one part of the Bay, if we're doing
this in sact that we're gonna do this in Vallet ho.
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If we're doing this vlayo, then we're gonna do this
in Oakland, right, you know what I mean? Versus to
where in Texas is like if and before I get
thuggling to the point when these their styles or these
lingos way up talking way of dressing, whatever they y'all
do this Bay Area shit, when it hits the internet
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and the Internet doesn't necessarily agree with it or feel
like like like that's cool, like they was like that
shit look weird, that shit lane that ship, then the
Bay Area is not gonna not continue to act the
way that they act because it doesn't fit in with y'all.
It doesn't fit in with the white people addressing in
New Orleans or the whiteople dressing in New York with
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the drill saying y'all don't know Debay doesn't give a
fuck about that.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
The Bay is going to be the bait.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If we this, and we this, and if we you
know what I'm saying, whatever we own pimping, whatever style
of music that we own, they own it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Versus to whereas in Texas, like you have a.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Large amount of our community that wants to fit in
with what they see on the internet more or less
than continue to create and be indifferent on the Internet
and own and own your identity. Like when you go
to Florida, they own their identity. The gold teeth, the
dunk cars, all of dressing, the weak hairstyles, the the
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Haitian culture, like all of this ship is things that
empowers the culture and empowers their music. It empowers their
their economy as well, because there's certain essence and things
that you have to go to their market to buy
if you want it done correctly. So it's like with Houston,
if you want to correct I stock grill permanent in
your mouth, You're gonna come to Houston. If you're a
rap artist and you want your teeth to look and
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you want to compete with the teeth that's going around
in the world and the jury that's going around the
world and not look like you you spent less money
or got some bullshit, then you're gonna go to Texas
and you're gonna go to the right people. That's the
best they're doing it. Plug Geo Johenna Dane, you know
what I'm saying. So it's the when it comes to
the essays of music and screwed and chop culture or
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dressing a certain way that that represents.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Even the cars.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The cars.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I was like, even we think about that in the
last decade, Softwalker is the only Houston, Texas rapper to
have swinkers on this car and vocalize and then publicizes
to the world, I'm the only nigga that did that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, Yeah, it is interesting to think that's weird because
when I was like, obviously shot to Paul Wall and
all those guys like that was like the first time
I ever saw those fucking rims.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, and salute the Powerwall, Like, the legends are legend,
like Jones slimped our legends. They keep the fruits of
our culture, you know what I'm saying, dump like and
people face prominent, they keep it like existing, they keep
it like you know what I'm saying to the forefront,
we're talking about the younger generation. The younger generation and
the current generation is who plants the seeds to the future.
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So if the people that's between the ages of.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Thirty five to twenty five is not.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Doing it, did that mean that the people's from the
ages from twenty five to fifteen are not going to
want to do it?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know what I'm saying because between fifteen and twenty five,
these are the young adults who are on the TikTok,
who own all the toucial media platforms. They playing sports,
they still in high school, they're still in middle school.
So whatever information they downloading it to their brain that
represents they city and they culture. They're going on the
internet and making a thriving force. That's why the drill
scene has lasted so long, because it's not about the
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rappers that running around shooting each other and dancing and
fighting and representing the hoods. It's about these children that
we see on the internet constantly programming our brains with
these dances, constantly programming our brains with these skits and
these tiktoks. And then it goes global. Now we got
people weigh in the UK making drill music and drill
dances and altering what's the biggest wave of style in
(08:35):
New York.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So therefore.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You don't see how that creates money, and it creates wealth,
and it creates an identity, and it creates a respect
factor in the music industry where the companies and the
powers that be when they want to utilize that sound
in a commercial because it's going to bring sales, it's
going to bring engagement that if they want to utilize
the settings or one of the stadiums in your city,
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they still have to incorporate the music scene and the
culture that's in that city within those events. Houston missed
out on that for a ten year span while we
were still having like huge events happening in the city.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
We had Super Bowls, we had.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
All Star Games, We've had NCAA tournaments final fours. We've
had all of these different things and go on in
the State of Texas along with our annual stuff like
the Rodeo. Rodeo lives exactly said, you know about this
type of shit, but none of the ten fifteen young
dominant artists from the state of Texas are ever involved
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in these things.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I mean I thought it was interesting. Like obviously
don't know the politics of the Houston Rodeo. It's huge
for people who don't know. The Houston Rodeo is probably
the biggest annual event in Houston, period period.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's at the Football Stadium absolutely all weekend long. It's
no it's such it's a month it's a month long event.
But the main the main ship the week shows is
a weekend or two. It's like a weekend or two,
Like it's like a country weekend. But you're still gonna
have some some some good souls thinking all this good
(10:11):
r and b artists and stuff like this, Like you
will have some other artists who not necessarily rappers, but
they make like alternative music.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, being that part. And then the next weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Is the rapper Like recently it's too it's a rap
weekend and it's like a singing weekend.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I was gonna say recently because like obviously when
we're thinking of like rodeos, you're thinking like country music,
fucking rednecks whatever, right, right, But it's like very much
a part of Texas culture.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's ranches all over Texas, Like it is what it
is for.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sure, Like I grew up and riding horses in my
hood and you write where you're riding a horse, you
will see a Lamborghini or Porsche Ferrari or Rose Royce
drop right past.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
This is part of the culture, just a part.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Of the life that But like I know, recently, was
it bun be that put together?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like the Yeah, for the last four or five years,
be been like like maybe three years four years just.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Putting together like the All star teeah yeah, yeah, who's who?
I think Drake came out of the last one. Yes,
this last one, I know ot came out, which was
big for him.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Shout ou yeah te that was that was the That
was like a little ray of sunshine for us.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Like why was it gonna say, like, how do you
feel about it? Though? Could you ask you about Houston?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, just the the the rodeo and the line up
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I thought I thought I thought it was dope because
I mean, look like I remember when I think the
first time I'd seen Bunby doing it, at least to
my peripherals, because I just start I watched Yellowstone, that
show with Kevin Costner, so I started pay attention to
rodeo shit, so so like not this not this last
time at the time before because I was telling my wife.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I was like, yo, low key, like we should go
to the fucking rodeo because we're watching Yellowstone and ship
you know, and uh And I was like, yo, bun
Bee's putting together a fucking lineup and it was like
the h Town All Stars and they was like everybody
was that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I thought it was dope.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But I think that, like, it's funny that you said
what you said earlier, right, because, like I said, I'm
a big like Scarface is one of my goats.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I love Scarface. I love the switch of House movement.
I loved all that shit, all the color changing and
click shit when I was a kid. I used to
sell those mixtapes at high school and shit. And it's
funny that, like some of the biggest artists, I always forget,
not necessarily I always forget, but when I'm talking about
Houston artists, I always forget to mention the biggest artists
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from Houston. Does that make sense because it's not necessarily
like the front of their imagery or branding. So like,
you know, we'll talk about Houston artists all the time,
and I'll be like, yo, max O Cream and fucking
ot and and you know, Payso pay So or Saltwalk
or whatever. I always forget, like, oh shit, don Toller's
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from fucking Houston.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Is that Megan's from Houston?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You know, we don't have.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Travis is from Houston, you know. And this is a
guy who's has done astral World in town and.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Is working these people at the Rodeo that's fair, or
any of these people at the rodeo, or any of
these artists performing at the road, any of the last
ten artists that you just named, except for one.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Lt that's real. That's weird.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But love and respect to bun Bee and everything that
he does for Houston in the state of Texas. And
it's probably some things that's out of his hand, out
of his control. But at the end of the day,
if you was to compare that to will, what you
would say is the.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Summer Jam in New York.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
If you was to compare that to a the Birthday
bash in Atlanta, you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Could say, the who's who of any of those artists
from those cities. They would never They've already been there
and done.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They were never in the history of niggadom. They were
never in the history of music allowed these type of
events to go on and not have the young artist
were talking about this, right, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Care If forty one Jen Carter and Kyle Rich and
those guys just this summer.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Jam, okay, then forty one mess mess exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
That shit right there.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That's what makes sense, that's what keeps there, that's what
keeps them at the top of media. That's what keeps
them at the top of gatekeeping. That's what makes it
to where when the artist blows up, you have to
touch the New York market, you have to touch the
California market, because they understand recycling the power of their generations.
We don't have that right because we have so many
people that wants to hold hold the gate when and
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all you're doing is you're making us obsolete to the
rest of the competition around the world.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Around the world.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It does not make sense to have a rolling loud.
Just what you're basically just saying is that our Houston
Rodeo is to the equivalent of a rolling loud a
Coach Eeller birthday bash. These type of events where it's
going to be sixty seventy thousand people in the arena,
why would you not and up these sixty thousand people.
Seventy percent of these people are within the age group
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of the artists that are the existing artists right now,
from thirty to twenty five years, from through thirty, from
their thirties to their twenties. None of the performing artists
are in the thirties in their twenties, though every performing
artist is in their forties or their fifties. True, that's
to say that's a problem, that's weird, that doesn't make
sense that I've talk just period though, But it goes
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bigger than the I'm not trying to make like this
whole interview about no for sure, about the what is
it called again, the rodeo? Right, that's why the rodeo
is not It's important to the to the older people,
but it's not that important to the youth in Texas.
It's not as important and powerful as it could be.
And there would be other events that would come circling
around that as well, because then the world will see, Oh,
(15:40):
it makes sense for rolland Loud to come to Texas.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It makes sense for us to make it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, there should be a Rolling lou Texas.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That will make no sense. We're talking about the third fourth.
We're talking about the third biggest state, fourth biggest city,
third biggest state, fourth biggest.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
City, the second biggest state, right, isn't it Alaska in Texas?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's the other one. I think it's New York.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I've you were talking about land masks.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
No land masks, we number two. You know what I'm
saying that on all scales which were Trump and ship
is when you you add about population, we're number four,
uh Houston in America by population, we number four by
land mass, were number two.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
By state, we're number three.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So it's like you know what I mean, and you know, uh,
if you look at the just just the demographic of everything,
we got two of them. We probably have one of
the biggest sports markets in America period. We have every
team that you can imagine period. We have all of
the basketball teams in three multiple out of one.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
State, San Antonio, Dallas, Houston.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Come on, bro, like, just make it make sense. We
have all the exactly so how can y'all not create
the lucrativeness and the funds and the finances off of
bringing concerts and our in our state.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
That doesn't make sense. It's to be huge, immensive.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Concerts in the state of Texas with all of the
big artists from outside of Texas and the artists inside
of Texas. We don't get those moments because it's not
enough trick, it's not enough traction coming from the state.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
They don't see.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Enough concerts and enough venues and enough heard ticket sales
within the state.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Do you think Travis tried to do.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
It with Astro did. I ain't never tried to do it.
He did it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, you gotta give it to Travis. Travis is the
only person that did. There's like me and Travis is
like that's why we like the god like legends that
we is. Like, no matter what, the screw cannot take
shit away from Travis because at every different level did
Travis reach, he comes back and do something great for
the city. So it's like, you can't take that from bro, Like, no, ma,
sure what. And I'm one of them people that be
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like behind closed doors on his ass about this shit,
like that's our relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I would like to see I see.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just feel like there's like this crazy moment in
Texas hip hop happening where you know, right now two
of the Freshmans are from.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
State something three three OT and who else?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Four bats?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Four bats?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, ship, you see what I'm saying, That type of
ship that pissed me out like this, there's just stop
it right.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
There, That's what I'm trying to say. It's ship like that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You should know without a shoutou of a doubt off
the rip four batses from Texas.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But to be fair, he hasn't done a ton of media.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
He's done enough.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
He's done way more than even though the way he know,
the way he came out, the way he blew up,
he blew up on from the block, from the block
said that the man was from that is every time
that he was on there from the block, showed that
he blew up on his street. If you go to
here from the block performance, the gall the barrier, the
border that's around it, it shows Strawberry Street, Dallas with.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
The woo Texas. It's not enough.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Texas is not putting enough emphasis on Texas.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
We're not We're not grasping this.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
This this character and this artist is saying, that's another
representation of us postalone, that's another riveration of us. So
we will see big extra club, big ex of plug
Toss Walker and in Mexican ot shoving it down your throat,
were shoving the Texas like you Texas mother.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's crazy. Yeah, no, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's and that's for every artist should be doing it,
not just like this is our co community. The fans,
the people should support it. They should support the slow
of shit. They should support all Texas music listen to.
They should wane to even the promoters and the promoters
in the club being used and like that. They got
to stop trying to underpay. Like I'm one of the
few artists. I get paid what I want to get paid,
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whatever I get, even if I'm going to an event
or a place in my city, I'm getting twenty five
thirty thousand, fifteen thousand. If I'm just doing some walk
through shit around the world and getting paid twenty five
thirty thousand, whatever. But it's so many people in the
city and part of promoters try to make the attempt
to undercharge or underpay. You know what I'm saying, and
I know that everybody else that's what they're getting. That's
(19:49):
why you don't even see our super duper stars making
a Stallion and Travis Scott doing events and parties in
the city a lot, because the city don't want to
pay them what they deserve, so they have the coming
do events on their own. Coming Atlanta exactly. Atlanta in
New York is not gonna allow that. California is not
gonna allow that. Once Blue Faces blue Face, we're paying him,
Kendrick is Kendrick, We're paying him once? Why gus Y
(20:11):
g we're paying him when uh the little baby is
a little baby. We're paying him whoever it is, whoever
in Atlanta, we're paying him. Who the new nigga that
is singing, just do it, just making all the singing songs. Uh, yes,
I don't know about names that he got. A he
just popped up on the internet with all the red cars,
the tile nigga hunh nah, he's from Atlanta, about the
new Atlanta harderst bro. I forget about name he got
(20:34):
the twenty two times I see him on in and
all the time. I just don't know about name like
that because I'm you know what I'm saying. But regardless,
they're supporting this man. The nigga they be singing. He
like the Atlanta. He finna be. He on his way
to be in Atlanta, Rod Wave. He's doing a great job.
Whoever the nigga is, y'all know him talking about he's
doing a great job. And he got he got to
pop that ten red cars rapped up. He just did
a concern everybody in the city show up.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Who the fuck is he talking about? What's his nigga name? Bro?
He just gonna come onuncho.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I forget who he did the concert with somebody, very
successful tour. He said, he's doing great, he's doing good,
but it's a compiny. He's making great music, yes, good image, yes,
but it's a combination of his city in his state.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
It's pushing him. We are pushing him Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
They're gonna push Kodak, They're gonna push whoever is that
who we is having.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
My young nigga is doing his thing right now.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Uh, Simmy, Like, whoever is the nigga that's that's emerging,
that state and that city is gonna push that.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
We love this culture, we love this sound. We don't
care how different.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Even though even let's talk about this kid. This kid
is a perfect example in the embodiment of what I'm
trying to explain, when you have home court advantage of
your city and your state supporting what you do. I
don't know this kid name either, but you knows that's
going to the Jewish kid rapper that's from Florida. I
never knew what the his name was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Culture that bop culture kid.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Look how he is dissected.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't I have to say it like this, but
just black culture, even though he's he's of it. Like
just because he white and me Jewish, that don't change nothing.
You are up the culture. You are proving that you're
not opposer like you really this is your lifestyle. But
marketing wise, as a product, we're talking about business from
a business standpoint. He made his module off of black
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culture and re emulated it and still kept I'm a
white Jewish kid involved. Yeah, he's still winning the hat
comple that you see Jewish. You see now how I
broke it down to you. That's coming together and making sense.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's like the little things that like, hey, what I
am is in.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Your face, and that's what matters. I try.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I think wicks like a Florida person, So death for
everybody in Florida. There's like why he rapping like us?
And he got the he got the hasties in the
videos with him, these hors everyday friends, and now this video,
this is who I genuinely be with. I share the hairstyle,
i share the rap style, but I'm different. I'm white
and I'm Jewish, but I'm not gonna act like I'm
not white and I'm not Jewish. And it's the beauty
of all of these different greens.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, big Ax's first hit record, that's the platinum
bit y'all from Texas from Texas?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Like what as simple as that, But that's what I'm saying.
It takes OT.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The songs called Johnny Dang and Paul Wall's on it,
Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Understand?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But understand if like me, Big X and OT all
us was able to like explain the same shit, like
we all are kings and guards and superstars in Texas.
But the way we all loved and appreciated outside of
Texas versus Texas by the powers they be the fans too,
but the fans are not always in the position. Where
(23:42):
the fans powers come at is the streaming, the post
and the play and the representation of us being them
like a sports team.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And you've always done a good job of like bringing
up your crew. Obviously shout to pay So, pay So
and Sauceman and all those guys. But you know, I
think that the two people were talking about OT doing
the same thing with Drodi and shout out to the Sixers,
Shout out to two big as.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
We're doing our job, the all them good great artist
Hard Hard the other brother that's with us.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Young Hood. Uh the freestyle for like twenty minutes on
the show.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, his other artist, his name's young Hood. I was
doing something. I call him he Fey.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I know him like before, he's hardy been around, but
he been like I did a song feature with him
years ago, like good great artists. My point is is
that it's a problem that so many Texas artists who
bring up these great groups of artists, who bring out
these these these coalitions of artists, these record labels of artists.
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It's very rare, like this is probably gonna be one
of the first times in a second that were starting
on the second decade period, Like after me being who
I've been in the rap game and opening this door,
like I'll open these doors for these people. Me and
say cheeze TV try to say cheese together, we created
what Texas is today. Like that's what I shout of
(25:01):
it out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But he's got his label too, I know he signed up.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah he's doing a great job. Saun Cotton is that
boy him? But again, like I was saying, like it's.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Be the Pac manage we signed you, right.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it's the fact that all of these not just
the superstars, the best friends supposed to be household names,
like how these other cities and the other cities both.
It would be a main artist friend that ain't even
a rapper. He getting shout outs from these other big
rappers on songs, he getting endorsements, he uh he in
the he's in the other artist videos that's from another city.
(25:37):
Why their main artists is not there? All of this
shit matters product placement. This is what programs the brain.
This is what programs the brain to see who is
who and who's not, Who's famous, who should I be following?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Who should I like?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And to be honest, it's enough Texas superstars and artists
for us to do all this shit on our own,
but everybody got to put that bullshit in their egos aside.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Just like hell of women that are doing and ken
of man as though I think Lieber Joe Lee's from Texas.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
So look this on.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I said, I love when you bring up all these people.
Name when you which is all tasted superstar? Now tell
me the songs and videos that we all got together. Right,
where's the kender Man song with Little Kiki uh Sus Walker?
And I don't fucking know kirk up maxing no Tea
Kirk like just pid Like if you go to another
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city and state, it's you could go grab just one artist,
like you can go grab a fucking Jadie Kiss and
then grab all the new artists that they out of
did a song together and they didn't mix it up.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
With the kiss has been on. Griselda Ship really ship,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And I spice she gonna come straight out, Oh I'm
fresh man telling over him.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
This person on this person.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like they they is passing the ball and then they
shooting a video. Then they going to the radio and
they pressing the radio. From both ends. We got the
label pressing the radio. We got the young community artists
pressing the radio. We got the O G artist pressing
the radio. So therefore we get the result. That's all
I'm saying is this in in Texas, there's like a
huge flaw in its fifty percent of the artists and
(27:02):
the people dis in position the powers. The promoter is
the radios all that shit, and then the other fifty
percent is the fans and the supporters because they take
the like they type the motor, they they taped the
wheel power in a fight out the artists they can't
tape the fight.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Out of me because I'm a god.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm I'm I'm him with music or not with music,
and there'd be a lot of young artists that then
lift the trail.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, I feel like too, Like I think what's dope
about Texas is there's been guys like you, guys like
Trade the Truths, guys like Bud b who have like
at the very least, just been very instrumental to like
there are leaders coming out of Texas like whether or not,
like you know, the stuff is going on that we're
talking about is happening or not. At the very least,
(27:41):
there is like, Yo, if you're in fucking La and
you're going to Texas, there's like two or three people
you're like, well, I gotta fucking see what sauce Walk
is on, or I gotta go tap in with Trade
with Trade A, or you know, I got to go
fucking go to Trilburger or some shit.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You know what I'm saying, Like this pillows, it's pillars
in the city. You know what I'm saying, People that
you're gonna fuck with them or space with it. If
you if you coming to the town and you just
know what I'm saying. You're trying to be all the
way green light, you check in and just be with
the people. You gonna come to JAYL. You're gonna come
to Sauce. You canna come there, Prince, I gotta say, Prince,
(28:14):
you gotta say j You're gonna go to us t yourself.
You're gonna go to rapp a lot, you know what
I'm saying. But on some coming through the city in
and join the city in, you feel me like going
to uh like landmark places of landmark artists and all
of those we ought to trades, the zeros, the key
key bun b. You know what I'm saying. Everybody is there,
everybody play. We're from a city full of legends, you
(28:38):
know what I'm saying. And I love all the legends
that we have in our city. It's just I feel
like we all should do more, Like we all could
do more.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
We all should do more.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And I'm not like the same way how I say
what they shouldn't do And as much as I do,
like I do a lot, but I still try to
do more. That's why I got the saucepect, is why
I bring all the young niggas together I'm bringing the
rappers from out of town with the young niggas again.
I'm bringing these niggas in their studio session.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They ain't got nothing to do with it, you know.
For sure. I'm just getting ready together.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Doing whatever I can to make everybody. You know what
I'm saying, resty potential.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know what I'm saying. I feel like we just
need more of it. But you talk to me, man,
because want ship to talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Then for sure there's tons. I'm sure they're Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The one thing that I always appreciated about Texas is
I remember the first time there was like something. It
might have been an MTV video or something, but when
Slim Thug came out, he said he was already platinum.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
He was.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He was right, he was sold a million, he was
living at that he was living.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
He was doing big, big ship before we even knew
who he was.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, I was gonna say I feel the same way
about you because I remember seeing videos of you and
I would be like, Yo, how's this guy so fucking
rich rich like Jesus, And this is not like recently,
this is like eight nine years ago, Like Yo, this
guy saw squaking, got ship moveing.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I'm on a ball of shit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And and the other thing that you I want to
break down because like there's rap hustling. When you're an
independent artist and you know how to kind of you're
a fucking all time great rap hustler.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I gotta be like top two. I really think I'm
the number one bro.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
When I tell you that you've you've DM so like
like you're like break down the rap hustle in general,
because I've had you.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I put it to you like this, like okay for
number one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Like what I've always felt like is that rappers or
like people in position of power with social media presences
that use their social media they look at their social
media platform like their baby mama's vagina, like I cannot
share this with the world, like this is my yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
This is my esthetics. I don't want to mess up
my social media.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
On social media aesthetic in it. I look at my
social media page like Walmart.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
This is a place of digital business, a place of
digital real estate.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Excuse me that I have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
A fluent flow of customers going in and out of
it every second of the day.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Now, the amount of traffic.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That I have going through this digital real estate that
is determined by the amount of activity and the amount
of marketing, promotion and lights and special shit that I
put on my location. But at the same token, if
I can make the same money that I would make
doing a concert or the same money that I would
make selling albums by letting a thousand of my customers
(31:30):
give me.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Five hundred dollars for a service.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Deck in their mind, this service is worth two thousand dollars,
three thousand dollars. But I'm still talking about letting a
thousand people give me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
What would that service be. That's an example, a verse
or a repost, A repost okay.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Or me shout or not me.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's because then it's level too, because like some of
this shit I'm doing for forty fifty thirty thousand.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
When when it came to monopolizing and optimized and it's like, Okay,
I don't have to get this part like I do.
I do a whole song with this person for twenty
five thousand. Okay, you pay me twelve five for the song,
twelve five for the video, and then you do sales too.
All I'm doing says not that that's what I'm saying,
this is how we get into the tiers of the
rap hustles, like we get it to the tiers of
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the rap hustle. Okay, that's just doing the song and
the video with you. Then it's the you want the
problem of it. Okay, you want the primary artists? You
want to fuck you are a primary artist. That's another price.
I'm a cook of the song, just on the g
that we are in independent. But then you want to
put it on my YouTube. That's another three thousand and
twenty five hundred to put it on my YouTube channel.
You can put it on your YouTube channel. You want
me to post it on my main page. You won't
(32:42):
post it on my story. I posted on my main page.
It's another five thousand. You want to post on my story,
that's twenty five hundred. You know what I'm saying. It's
all the different levels. But then that's that's me doing
a whole song with you're shooting a whole video. I
might charge you ten whatever. You might want to do
a package to do a multiple multitude of the songs.
But instead of doing all of that work, I can
make the same fifty grand by just charging one thousand
people five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You see what I'm saying, And of course of thirty days,
and the.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Course of of course of thirty sixty days, I done.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Just made.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Something that took two minutes of my time to something
that I'm gonna repost for a shoot that I like
for free, and I'm gonna get this person in marketing
a funny video that I like on Instagram for free.
I'm gonna repost it to get some laughs and to
talk about it in my DM with my friends or
somebody say an affirmation of some fucking quote that you
think it's so important, and you're gonna repost that the
shittest information. I could be reposting somebody else's business idea
(33:35):
and get paid twelve hundred, fifteen hundred, two thousand dollars,
And then I can do that one thousand times because
I'm getting thirty thousand likes fifty thousand likes. If I
can get fifty thousand likes twenty five thousand reshares on
the video, I could make two three four thousand people
give me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
For sure. I'm not aiming at.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Getting two three thousand people to get me thirty thousand,
forty thousand.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I just want you hundred dollars. I'm still making millions
of dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right If I get ty thousand people to give me
five thousand dollars in the course of a year, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Then now you multiply that by doing multiple artists.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And then the other thing is is like element, here's
one huddle. I'm in this city tapping. If you need a.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Diverse city, you need the verse, you need promo, what
you need to your party. You need me to come
to your store. You want me to listen to your music.
This shit go deep to just constentation or listening to music.
You want me to listen to your song. Brother, I
will not listen to your song on my own person
on the song. But if you want me to listen
to your song, give you my personal opinion on what
you should do. Bactually, I'm being a consultant thirty three
(34:31):
thousand dollars, thirty three thousand dollars, but I'm sity there
with your smoke and blount which toll, listen to your song?
Tell you what I FaceTime whatever, FaceTime video. All of
these are different properties that can get sold because Jesus
running it up. I can sit up Hell with my
motherfucker phone in my hand, bob my head. This ain't
even a real I'm not even listening to your song.
I'm bobbing my head. I sell you the video of
(34:52):
me boy my head for four thousand dollars. You could
put your song on three different version of it is.
I can send you three different angles, three different shirt songs.
I'm just bobbing my head.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Now. You just throw to your music sound on top
of you know what I'm saying, right, that's crazy? How
can I ever run out of millions of dollars? When
I understand?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I want to get into.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
How from your perspective, and we won't get into why
your perspective matters in this field, but you know, when
I was growing up, we had a track in my
town of Phoenix on Van Buren in which there was
always it was where you went, there was holes on
the street. I want to know, from your perspective, being
in Texas and you know, living the life that you've lived,
(35:35):
how did the Internet and only fans change what we
know as the.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
UH it's a red box for the exotic industry? Is
Hulu for the exotic industry is because.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You still have tracks everywhere, Like you go to Figure.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
And there's women that's checks all around the world. But
like I said, with anything and life levels. So just
like in a double game, you got selling little crack rocks,
you got people that are selling half of zips. You
got people that are selling megatons and using planes and
jets marijuana. You there was a point of time where
fucking Burner, who is just a regular trapper and.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Rapper, and now he's now he's on the cover for US.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Now he's on the cover of for US as being
a fucking businessman and genius entrepreneur through cannabinoids in cannabis.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So I felt that not even about what I felt,
because before I felt this was was already happening without
my power or control. I'm just not an idiot that
wasn't going to evolve with the timing. If everybody's playing
PlayStation five and Xbox and they seeing the maximum graphics
(36:48):
and they getting the maximum download and gameplay, why would.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
You still play a fucking game before?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Why would you still be on the sixty four Now
you're still taking the risk of your game breaking your
game overheating motherfucking cords busting with all the orders of problems,
with the way of.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
The old way of doing something, came with an old
way of problems exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I don't got I'm on a whole another level of
life as a human being, not just a lot more
usual of the game. I have a lot more to lose.
I have a lot more knowledge and information. So it
doesn't even make first the first level of this. It
doesn't make sense for me to have people that I'm
associated with walking up and down the street and doing that,
because that's already the low tier of this game that
my mind has already passed. That you got this girl
(37:30):
walking up and down the street for four five hundred
dollars two three thousand dollars, bro, I'm putting this girl
in the air conditioning for twenty or thirty it did.
That was a level that I succeeded. That was a
strip club. Once I succeeded, they ended went to the internet.
Now we're talking the same thing that we're talking about
with the Instagram promotions, and now we're talking about pictures.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
There's no physical contact.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
So now these these women who are my girlfriends, the
people that I'm associated with now you're putting them in
a position where they keeping all of their dignity, keeping
all of their sanity. They they they leave their house,
they don't have to leave their house. They don't have
to be touched and talk to anybody or deal with anybody,
have no physical and comes with any other man besides
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you or who who they personally choose that they want
to be around.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
If you really think about it, you saving these people.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You give and it's something that they want to do
because at the end of the day, is I could
make the same money that my body has to physically
move and make actions to make by just taking pictures
and editing it and then posting it.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I've hit the Eureka mark.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I've I've cracked the cold of life.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, you don't even have to do give a lap
dance anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Exactly why would you want, Like, think about all the
things that the girl had to go to drive to work,
have a gun on her to protect herself, leaving and
going to work, about the drive, locker room drama, care
locker room drama, fighting the club. The managers want this,
they want this potent. All of these are real. Added
this dude's on cod This dude is drunk. This dude
(38:58):
got too aggressive in or did in the back, the
back room or on the stage, and.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
When they're standing feet away from a fight, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah, whatever, get hit? What abouttle? It touts you inappropriately?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Now you're putting all of these things up here, and
that's just the strip club.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
We ain't talking about being out on the streets.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Now, that's just the club.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
That's just the club.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You saying that that makes more sense or it's more
feasible than and then's that's another thing to about, Like
I said, levels, the level of beauty or the level
of women that you are dealing with, or the woman
that beauty that the woman possesses herself, or how much
investment does she put in herself, whether it's financially going
to the gym, dying right, all of those things.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Matter matter because your best bet might be the strip club.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right, But don't get it twisted. There's a niche for everything.
They got, the women on there making money, ugly women
making money, ages. The Internet has a space and a
place for everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
So it's the day shift.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
So so my whole, my, my, my whole perspective of
how I felt about it is like, the goal of.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Life is to work smarter and not harder.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I'm pretty sure you love being the DJ and and
something that you might still do from time to time
because it's a passion of something that you love in y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, but it's but like you said, it's smarter, not harder.
That's why I had bought a club. I'm like, man,
why I trying to do good? I bej for two
grand in the night? If I could stay at home
and make that money just from the crib, you know.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Why why be a DJ on the radio station?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's like, why that be my number one main source
of income when I can go home and set up
my own setup and sell my opinions and my visions
to the entire world and get paid off that well was.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It going to say for you?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Because you know, there's like when you manage girls on
only fans. The benefit of that is you have your
network because you you have a very successful onlyfan. Unfortunately,
I have seen your dick many times on accident, not
on purpose. I never sought it out.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Hey, it's a part of the It's a part of
the game. You know.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
On porn Hub, you'll click on something and then there
was one time I'm watching Pornhub and I was.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Like, man, I did my thing.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I was like, there is that?
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And I had to google.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I said, Sauce Walker, I just take you like this,
this motherfucker right here Exhibit A.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Because you want to know why. Because I come from
a place where niggas go to jail for doing this. Ship,
I've been doing my whole life, and niggas don't come
home for doing the shit that I've been Ship. I've
grown up around and expanding my hard life and fucking
bitches and taking pictures of my dick and sending it
to hold.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I've been doing that shit for free stock and middle school.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Why the fuck would I be ashamed and fright to
do it on the fucking camera because I care about
what somebody else who gives it. I don't give a
fuck about your opinion. I probably beat you up. You
probably not a gangster. You probably are not a better
pee than me. I don't just regular elite just game.
You have not accomplised. You have not checked the traps
that I've trapped A checked at one time. Bro, You've
never seen nine hundred thousand dollars at one time in
(41:50):
one day and I've done it multiple multiple times. Bro
likes the money that I've made and the things that
I've done in this world and still having my fucking
freedom and my sanity. Nigga, I kissed the ground that
I walk on every day, and I would be a
damn fool to go to jail or it's already everything
that I do with risk doing getting on these motherfucker
platforms and talking about my passes. Why I'm okay to
(42:11):
talk about that because this is my past, because I
have the only fan. You know how many years I
didn't do interviews because I knew how deep out in
the game I was in.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
No, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You know You've been trying to get me everybody. But
I know what I want to ask me. I know
what you'll want to talk about amongst the beef and
the shit I had going on. Then that's gonna be
the next thing I want to ask about, which I
already know that. So at the end of the day,
I had to make one hundred percent in fact sure
that I'm so far away from my past and that
lifestyle and that I've converted it over to something legal
and legitimate to where I can feel comfortable to speak
(42:41):
on my past and what I did and what I've
been through and what was what's the cost that I
was there because I come out of hole pussing. My
mama was a hole. My mama was the game. My
uncle was p sixteens. You know what I'm saying. I
was born in this shit. My daddy was an athlete.
It wasn't meant for me to be an athlete, but
it was meant for me to be an entertainer.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
My daddy was a was a football player in a
wrestling Uh he wrestled, Yeah, my daddy.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Like I'm a diehard wrestling Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Ye see, my daddy never made it to that.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
But still but Texas is India route to say.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's why you know how they say tim and Peace
himself that the applet on fall too far from the tree.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Like I'm an independent legend. I just have the Internet. Now.
Did you watch the Weapon of.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
The movie about the Vaughan Erics, about the family of
the brothers who like are all from They're all from
like Dallas and Houston and they ended up for us
crazy great wrestling movies about Texas.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, No, I never seen it. But Texas has a
huge independent wrestling scene. This ship out that and my
dad was like dominant in that space. He made it
to the w W from the w w E. But
on it's like a side person like you never was
like he no, that's still, that's still. He never was
no funster. He never was on the video game. He know,
we never was. But you know, I'm saying, you just
got to clear that ship because when you say my
(43:53):
daddy was a wrestling mofuckers automate, think, oh.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
This nigga was rich's whole life. How could he come from? No?
There was First of all, First of all, you where
did the money come from?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Honda? I got this trying to cut you off, but look,
you just explain it to these people. Where does the
fucking money come from? When you a wrestler. It comes
from being on motherfucker Walmart with the toys on the
on the stands. It comes from having t shirts, it
comes from being on the video games. It comes to me,
you know, w Wrestle Inia and and all of them,
the chapers, letters and chairs.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
My daddy ain't never did none of that.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Ship everybody else on to come up, y'all, never played
my dad in the video game. You never went to
Waldmart seeing my daddy on the shirt. You never and
everybody watching this show, you all have been a wrestling
fan at some point in your life. You never seen
whose house Walker Dady was. My daddy ain't Booker t
It ain't Mark Henry, ain't none of them niggas. My
dad name is Al rays Walker. My daddy really whoop
all of them niggas. But the point that I'm making
is is that my daddy was inspiring wrestler. He was
(44:45):
inspiring businessman, entrepreneur, but he did not make it till
the top because motherfucker's hated on him about his difference
and a lot of people stole my daddy style too.
My daddy had a very unique style, is how he
dressed and how he It's like some like one of
the biggest wrestlers to ever live, like, stole my daddy
complete image. But I'd be wanting him to tell that story,
like I don't because I already going through this shit.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
My sevnigges. I think I'm crazy with my daddy.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I really got to prof of that shit, like he
got to put for videos and they was all because
he had his chance, he had the time he was
around that shit. But the point that I'm making is
that like I grew up a special type of way,
so my mind is already throwed out and fucked up.
So it's like I just knew and understand, like, Okay,
if there's the opportunity for me to utilize the Internet,
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utilize video, film, photography, pictures, to stop taking the risk
and the chances that I was taking to make money,
the same way how I used it with my rap career,
because I chose to do it the hard route, not
get a record deal, not go through the major labels.
It's the same thing with the game, if you choosing
to not take the sleazy way out that a lot
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of six teams do, a lot of players take. That's
why I'm a different level than them, because they have
no fucking integrity.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
They would let.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
A woman do anything, and they would do fuck with
any type of woman for some bullshit As money. I
don't need a bitch to make no money. I'm the
money a bitch need me. I've never needed a bitch.
I've never lost a woman that I wanted to keep.
You know what I'm saying, I'm the prize, not her.
So at the end of the day, when you have
that that that alpha male mentality, you have a certain
level of principles and certain level of respect factor about yourself.
(46:17):
That what he thinks that it's through disrespectful. He thinks
it's not playing not disrespectful to begin on camera and
fucking bitch on camera when nigga be and fucking holes
and taking pictures with hose and fucking hose your whole life,
it's a it's a regular street nigga. I don't think
it's I can't even say on this microphone the things
that people do in this game that I don't agree
with and that I will never do and I will
never be au and they and they do it front
(46:40):
and center, you know what I'm saying. So with me
understanding that fuck with somebody opinion is how they feel
about getting on the only fans of doing the only fans.
This is the smartest way out. This is the most strategical, smartest,
safest way out. Because you can't say neither per party
doing this, only fans force each other to do it.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
We both on camera, fucking yep. You can't say I
forced to do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And only fans makes you upload all kinds of forms, and.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's everything in needed necessary to protect your safety and
still make the money. Why the fuck would you not
do that for sure? So therefore, you want this girl
to be trashed. You want this girl to be filtered
and scumming, or if you want her, you want this
guy that only got twenty five hundred dollars or thirty
three hundred, four hundred, two hundred dollars to be having
an intimacy with this girl that you that you be.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
You smoke weed with this girl.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
You sitting cars and hang around this girl that don't
make if you have the ability to to take this
girl and put on pictures and posters and credit cards
and motherfuckering lighter leash lighters and ship like that and
make quadjupiit the amount of money that she was.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Making doing this other shit.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
We're not gonna do it just because of the opinions
of some niggas because you're shiny, see, because of your pride.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Because your pride. No, it'sin't even about pride.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
It's about the motherfucker's worried about the opinions of other niggas,
other players. It's like it's like if Steph Curry ketter
about the opinion of everybody else saying that he shot
too many three?
Speaker 3 (47:57):
You shoot too many three? How the games beat it? Yeah,
repeat it, repeat the game.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Revent the game.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
It's like you mad at James Twyton for the step back,
and they did they changed.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
That's that's and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's despicable, that's horrible. Like, that's that's not fair, that's book.
Don't be mad at somebody who has the intelligence and.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
To find a loophole.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I read change, didn't read.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Don't be mad at me because you did not read,
You did not study, you did not analyze, You did
not look at all of the motherfucker constentuousies of this
game that we both are playing.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And what are the proceeds? What are the.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Pros and the consequences? What are the cons what are
the pros? You didn't look at that and you didn't
take a deep dive into it because you just was
about making a couple of dollars and being accepted by
some other niggas. I already know I'm greater than these
niggas before even come and get in y'all ship. The
average P, the average P and the every person of
the game want to be a rapper, right, the average P,
the average that the average person is in any form
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of the streets want to be a celebrity. The average
d boy want to be a rap, or the average
P want to be a rap. For the average whole
want to be a model. The average like, let's be
fucking real. All these people wish if they was fucking
six six and coun dump and run fast and be
an athlete or a football player or after the musical mind,
the creativity, the willingness that I don't give a fuck
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nature to be a YouTube personality, whatever it is. Everybody
wish they had star power. If you did not wish
you had star popper, why the fuck do you like stars?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
You? Why do you worship us?
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Why do you sit up at twenty four hours a
day while these platforms even exist? You could be motherfucker
learning about science. You could be learning about health. You
could be learning platforms. Yeah, you could learning how guns wear.
You be learning about the financial, financial literacy. It's all
other types of shit that you could be filling your
brain up with. And y'all want to fill your brain
with entertainment because you want to be entertainment. You want
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to you want to reflect what you like. You are
what you eat, You are what you wear. You wouldn't
wear a shirt you are. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Same shit.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I can't say what you said. You're not gonna wear leticious.
Let's just say this a known evil. You can't even
say that because people what search with serial killers on
it and people accept.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, people wearing wild Days come on like people wearing
all ship.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
All this contradictive. But that's why I don't give a fuck.
That's why I live in my own world, live in
my own reality, in my own video game. I don't
give a fuck nobody thinking about how I do it,
what I do, make more money than me or do
better than me, and what I do. And also I
have the option to be both. Y'a don't even have
the option to be both. You're forced to be a sixteen,
You forced to be a three or four, You forced
to be a travel for I was forced to be
those at a period of time. And I got out
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the game the point and I'm still I beat the game,
I'm still using the game. I beat the game and
still playing with it the same way. Burner doing I
just made the game legal and boom, I'm a genius.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Don't be mad at me because you're still a food.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Can you tell me how many projects you have on DSPs?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Do you have myself or like as a tall together
own like if I go to my own.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yours and then the TSF.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Okay, So my catalog I probably have maybe like.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
It's between twenty seven and thirty albums or something like that,
and the ten in the ten year span from the
Sauce Twins to Sauce Walker, I have between twenty seven
thirty albums almost and especially but by the end of
this year is gonna be for sure full thirty. It
might be a full thirty, and I mean it's kind
of I just know for shure it's somewhere. What about
(51:29):
just as as the collective as the label I probably own,
I don't know, maybe uh, maybe one hundred and twenty
one hundred and fifty projects like albums because like all
of my friends, I got fifty artists, fifty artists signed
(51:50):
to my distribution in my record label. Ten of them
are producers and they make beats and stuff and they
still have in the they still have albums as well,
like about this of work as well. And then I
got forty some of our artists. It's a little bit
over for it's a little bit over fifty three, but
ten of producers and the other forty artists are like artists.
(52:11):
And some of the artists that signed to me, people
don't even know that they signed to me, or that
they are autists, or that we have business with each other.
But I still have in on their catalog. So if
you incorporate everybody that's signed to me that have a
fifty fifty split with their catalog on, I probably got
like one hundred and fifty albums.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
One hundred and fifty albums.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Would you say that if you look at that by songs,
each album got like fifteen to twenty songs on it,
So I probably own I don't know, two thousand and
three thousand and four thousand songs.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I have a follow up question for that, but I'm
about to piss my pants.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Can we can? I tell you break?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's break, I'll be back to your catalog.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, so yeah, the catalog. Shit.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Well, I had a question though about the catalog because
you said you said we got we got the vast number.
Recently you linked up with Empire, and I'm wonder were
in like because obviously when you when you link with
the company like Empire, it's a distribution situation, it's label services,
but it's still being independent. But what was the timing
(53:10):
for you to like make the decision to kind of
link up with a guy like Ghazi and bring what
you got going on in Huson and TSF together, what's
going on in the Bay Area Empire.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's a fun story because guys have been trying to
sign me since the beginning of my career. It was
just I was doing business with people at the time
who just didn't see fit for us to do business together.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
And at the time.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
I've always had control over my career, but I was
trying to allow people to have management and have opinions
and things of that like that, and it just it
never worked out for us in the beginning. And when
I finally found distribution, it was before God, I found
a distribution on my own, without guys that having any
or empirement anything doing a part of it. I found
(53:59):
I found distribution in California when I was hanging with
Famous Dicks. I met this guy named Wayne and I
started working with Correct Music vide right, and.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
The guys who scraped the internet.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
They made me million, They made me a more of
a millionaire. I can't. I can never take that from Create,
like d made me a multia.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm saying them, dudes don't have to scrape the internet
for money, like money that's out there that don'tbody.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
Know even this.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, when I first got would Create, just like eight
years ago, and they like, you know, they fell to
my whole catalog and went throughout my YouTube videos and
all them, just the bodies of work that I own
that I allowed them to facilitate, and they came back
with like eighty rax or some shit like that.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
You didn't even know what was out there.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
For I ain't even know that was out there, and like, yeah,
you know, from what you're looking at right now, you
could be making somewhere between eighty two, one hundred and
ten thousand dollars a month just right now.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
And that was like eight years ago. So you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
I got would Create, I brought I brought my whole
label over to Create, and I left my catalog there,
like but I still have probably like a sixteen or
thirteen or twelve album catalog. That's not with Create too,
that's with tune Core. That was like from the very
super getting at premature, premature to yourself stuff, you know
(55:19):
what I'm saying. So when I got to Create, I
start making nothing less than five to six figures a
month for the rest of my life. From that point
from seven years ago, wow, every month, every twenty fifty
every month, I've been getting a six figure to seven
I mean a five figure to six figure check and
that could be anywhere from sixty thousand to two hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
I've never gotten no more.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Than two hundred thousand so far, Like crazy, My goal
is to get like a quarter million a month. So
every point I'm making them, yeah, independent, it's just off
YouTube videos and songs is on the shit. So like
if someone uses your song on a YouTube vide pay
and to use my name right if you use my
artist's name, if you drop a video right now you
put payso name in it, I'm getting paid off of
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it pays.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
So getting paid off of it, that's just period.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
It's like a it's like a nil deal name likeness
and it's the same ship anything that's associated with my name,
even in YouTube.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Even in the Instagram videos.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Like when I go vi all on Instagram and then
then go over to YouTube, I get paid for it
and create just you know what I'm saying, they open
that door to like just really make me my record
AB with me and my friends an actual company, an
actual business to every single of my friends and associates
and counterparts on my record AB. But I'll get a
(56:36):
check on the twenty fifth every month, Like well, domn
gotta call me or ask me or we don't argue
about like of course, we still got to do business.
And you know what I'm saying, filter shit out of
consolidate shit, make it smaller, or like do audits on
our shop just to make sure everything correct. But like
you know what I'm saying, all of my friends, if
you dropping music and you're shooting videos, then you making money.
(56:56):
We all getting checked. You don't have to do a
concert to get paid. You don't don't have to perform
or do a feature or you know what I'm saying,
You don't have to be on these festivals to get paid.
You getting paid ten bands if my eight bands, if
it's my twelve thirteen, fourteen thousand a month. You know
what I'm saying like some of my lowest tier artists
getting six thousand a month.
Speaker 4 (57:12):
Crazy, You know what, I'm saying this on some cool.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Shit that's so obviously create was great for you, That
was great.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
So when now when you talk about the Empire shit,
it only made sense for me to sign a deal
of any sort with any company. That was only only
if they was going to allow me to not bring
my catalog with.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Me because most companies, so you got a catalog like you,
They're like, yo, we're gonna need to bring that catalog.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Period if you want some millions of dollars from us,
if you want us to do business.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Because if whatever we do together don't work, the catalog
is still going to bringing that bread we're gonna recoup
long term.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah, I wouldn't go in for that because that's not
to me. That's not fair business and music when you.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Probably had nothing to do with what I did back then.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
Absolutely, but y'all want to eat and.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
I was with you, if I want a motherfucking NCAA
championship with UCLA, they had nothing to do with before
I came to the Raptors. And then if when I
played for the Raptors, I went to the playoffs with them.
This many years, I sold this many jerseys, we won
one championship.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
Got you to do I get traded the Blazers.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Has nothing to do with me going to the Blazers.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Brother, y'all shouldn't own what I've done at the Raptors
and what I did that you you u c la
just for me to play for the the what you
said the team you said Blazer Blazers.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
Me to play for the Blazers. That don't make sense
done so.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
In reality, Empire was the only It was a few
of them that Connor respected it with Empire like guys
that he actually respected my business mind, he respected my
business module and he he he respected the numbers that
I'm able to pull up put up on my own
without a company, without resources, without an engine, without a machine,
(58:44):
without the being serviced correctly, I'm still creating. I'm generating
six figures of income every month with your annually on
my own. So much is annually I'm generating millions of dollars.
I'm annually every toil much, I'm generating millions of dollars
and then not a small one, like a nice amount.
So if I can do that for myself without having
(59:07):
all of these weapons that y'all have at Bay, would
I why would me and you just not to build
a new neighborhood together. Why don't we just build a
new catalog together. Because I'm willing to give you that work.
I'm willing to give you five ten, seven, eight nine albums.
If you willing to pay for these albums and put
me in a position in and give them the label
services and the opportunities that they need to work and
the attention that they needed to thrive, then I can
(59:29):
do the same catalog I've created for myself. I can
create that for you. I'm only I signed to the
Empire a year ago. So I was like, I was
just turning thirty three, you know what I'm saying. I
was thirty two turning thirty three, and now I'm thirty
three turning.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Thirty four right now.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
So you know, I'm still at a great position in
my career. I'm in my prime. I'm young, I'm stilling,
you know what I'm saying. Some of my best biggest
artists had their biggest hits from Jiji, The Charge, The
dogph Ross, Lwayne, This is this is they golden eras
in their thirties. You know what I'm saying, they the
initial stage of the of their careers in their twenties.
(01:00:05):
But most of those guys really career started at late twenties,
really thirties to be real. Now we're living in a
new generation where it ever starts in their teens in
they twenties and shit like that, right, but.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Not for sure, not, I just think I just thought
it was interesting. So I was like, yo, like, if
you're an independent juggernaut, Gouds, he's an independent juggernaut, and
I'm a.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Small empire kind of like I'm nowhere near with empire.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Right, But but TSF is a very small.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I'm a small indie major.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Like well, I got a staff, a back office, I
got two commercial places of business, two compounds where my
company is ran and facilitated. And you know, guys, it
was just the only person who was like, you know what,
I see what you got going on.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I respect it, and I'm willing to fund it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I'm willing to give you more and more finances, more weapons,
and I don't want to own your catalog. If you
feel comfortable at one place at a period of time
where you're willing for me to give you x y
Z man the millions of dollars for your catalog to
bring it over here, that we can do that. But
I kind of, you know, like really made it clear
with him. I just don't want to sell my cattle.
I just want to live off of Well, that's something
I can go to getting whatever, going to life.
Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
I can live out there forever. I think.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I tell people, it's like, obviously, depending on what that
catalog number is, certain people been getting like twelve x
what their catalogs worth. I ain't mad at it if
it's like, yo, two hundred million dollars, you know that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
But still like for me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
It's like but but like you said, it's like it's
like that long money.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It's like, we're humans, bro. People go through shit.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
We get in trouble, we go to jail, we wrecked cars,
family get sick, family, Mamaee called Mamanee house, auntie, little cousin,
just graduated. Business ideas, opportunity, spending, habits, having fun, drugs,
just whatever you like to do. Investing all of this
shit takes away from finance. It takes away from your
(01:01:46):
liquor cash, It takes away from your capital. Having a
catalog that you are in the green and you don't
owe anybody recruitment. That's like you own a Chick fil
A two three four Chick fil Ais or you own
some Walmart. So soon hard dealerships to something after all
the bills is paid your And this is the thing
with the music shit too. It feels like it's all
(01:02:08):
profit because you Ben did the work. I Ben did
the music. I been shot those videos, I been did
the mixing, the master I've been released these projects that shit,
been paid for it, but I'm still getting paid for
it right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
It's like owning the movie company. It's it's a huge difference.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, So I don't have to famous TV show goes
into syndication. You're gonna get us.
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Syndicated your risk forever. Whoever the fuck owns Fresh Prince
of Bell Level Martin any of these type of shows
will smith. We don't know if they did the correct
business where they have a grandfather clause where they still
getting paid. But those properties are still making brand new
money in twenty twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, the
same way it was making the ninety five, if not more.
(01:02:45):
Because syndication didn't exist, you couldn't have the same property exists.
And what you have to realize is that the Hulu
is his own universe.
Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Instagram is his own universe.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
It's people that use tiktoks that don't use instagrams, wother
use face the same thing as people that I like
Amazon prompt I don't like Hulu. These are all different universes.
It's to the Boys, great show, right. I love the Boys,
homelanders Homelander. He's crazy and the fast dude. Homelander is
a motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
The greatest greatest villain ever. Like, he's up there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I think Omni Man got him, Omni Man from I
think Omni Man got him.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
But I like, I definitely like Homelander.
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
But Prime got the two Villains zone.
Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
You ain't lying, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So you got people who are like I like what
I like and I just want to watch this talk
about wrestling when w W was WWF.
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
You have people.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
That exactly exactly. So if you have the blessing type
of property that's a streaming property means that it makes
an infinite amount of money. You never have to resupply
it with water. You have to resupply these water bottles, food.
You have to resupply agriculture with a streaming property. Once
it's there, it's making the same money as water, food, oil,
(01:03:58):
and gas. But you don't have to rep we don't
have to replenish it.
Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
It's just there. It's streaming.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
So if you have something that does well there, you're
making money there forever, no matter what you're doing. That's
why we're doing this right here, because once you upload
it and you put it out there, over there forever forever.
So when you own your catalog, you own your music,
you are in that space. You're in that spectrum of
people who live a lifestyle of like a person that's
won the lottery or something and you chose to do
(01:04:27):
it cash.
Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Out, but you get that that bread every month.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Got a fat ass check.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
So that means I can never go bro I mean
I could whatever amount of money that you get, let's
just say you get three hundred thousand dollars a month
for the rest of your life, you can spend the
entire three hundred thousand dollars down another three that's impt
like that doesn't that's crazy, it's crazy, but that's what
owning your catalog as an independent artist is like, if
you're successful, for sure, you're getting a guaranteed ninety thousande
(01:04:54):
twenty one fifty one forty one hundred and twenty five
thousand guaranteed every month. I can flush a hundred TI
And this has nothing to do with all the extra
money I make. And I'm getting two hundred eighty one
ninety But this I had nothing to do when I'm
going to get twenty thousand out of here for this song,
this show, I'm getting eight thousand for this post. I'm
getting ten thousand away these clothes.
Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
No, it's like it's like, at the end of the day,
the streaming is one thing, but if you think you're
just gonna drop one album, like.
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
You got the numbers, so you got the catalog to
where it all makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
But like you gotta you have.
Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
To use the mute compound interest. You have to put
the work.
Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Well, you have to, and you have to once you
put the work in, you also have to understand you
have to use the music as a vehicle for monetization
on all of the fronts because you're really selling a brand,
You're not selling your music.
Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Well, it's interesting because I feel like early on you,
at least from a fans perspective, I feel like somebody
who's not from Texas, someone who wasn't like all the
way plugged in with what you were doing. I feel
like when you would pop up on my algorithm, it
would be usually for negative stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, it used to be used to be that would
like be my thriving forces controverrass.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
And it was always controversy.
Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I wasn't an initiating but I was gonna say, do
you feel like there was a negative aura when your
name would get brought up that you you had to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Absolutely without a shot of a doubt. I am the
guy that beat the black ball. I'm the black nigga
that came out balling.
Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I mean, shit, that's a bar.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
They threw the black ball at me and I came
out blackballing.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Would you said, the industry trying to blackball you.
Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Whoever threw the ball it missed?
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
It was an actual thing though, whoever threw the ball
and it missed, That's all I'm saying. And but that
comes through having catlike legility, matrix like reflexes, and extremuous
work at any missive amount of talent and understanding the
splematics of what I'm going against, the strategy, the game
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plan had making the money buying the calls.
Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Like you know what I mean, I understood.
Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I was gonna say, like, I think back to you
doing the BT site for two years ago. That's about
two years all right.
Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
I think so at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah, and that was like the first time I was like, oh,
ship like coming.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
The powers that be are finally And the crazy part
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Was and that was before Empire too.
Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yes, it was the funny part about that, and not
to laugh at anybody situation, but the fact that BT
did not come on have the wherewithal to know that
they put you on that they knew what they was doing,
that they put you on that beat.
Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Nah, hell no, I'm finna clear the era. No, they
knew what they was doing.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
When I first got the it was it was it
was young Thugs hot listen brother. When I first got
the email, they sent us a Biggie Smalls beat. Everybody
was supposed to be on a Biggie Smalls beat. But
I never confirmed that I was going to do it. Okay,
you know what I'm saying, because you know they was
they was they was doing right by all. I said
like this, I don't know if I can say this point,
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but basically, they they gave blessings to all the artists
that was a part of the freestyles, right, and I
was like, I was like the last I was the
absolute last person that they added on. But they they
was really pushing for me to be on there the
whole time. But they know how to contact me. So
when they finally got into contact with me, they already
had a particular blessing that I there couldn't disagree with,
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and they was like really pressing for me to get
on it because they heard the ghetto.
Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Goys for freestyle stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I've been doing it, Like, man, this would be a
good thing for you to do, and we know you
do good on New York Beat. So we got this
Biggie Smalls beat, so that we're gonna we give you.
I give you a couple days of pressice I think
like a week a week ahead of the time they have.
I gave the pressures, but they've been trying to contact me.
When I sent signed the contract and everything was solidified,
and I sent them the contract bait and I'm gonna
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do it. Next day, they sent the pushing P beat.
Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
He was pushing P That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
The next day, Yeah, when I like, we had been
talking about this the whole time, and then sent the
Biggie beat. And you have to understand this, it's five
at this of course, the decapitation, mutilation, decampitation. But they
made all thirty of those artists that went freestyle that
year get on that one beat just for me.
Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Just to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Okay, Okay, Well, I was gonna say, like, uh, you
know you you had a very huge feud with those
guys for some years now.
Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
I don always not bad on none of these guys.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I was gonna say, it feels like you're obviously very
much I'm too rich, bro.
Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
You know we kind of discussed earlier. You have a
lot to lose and.
Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Disappointment about it.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It's just like I made it, bro Like, And at
the end of the day, I stood ten tolls on
every situation I ever been in. Ain't nobody ever played
at me, Ain't nobody ever shot at me, Ain't nobody
ever did nothing to me in this music industry that
you know what I'm saying. The questions my character me
ain't nobody. I stood ten tolls. Anytime any rawbread attempts,
anything ever of any sort, I come out on top
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and I don't even have I don't even have them
type of situations happened to me. It be about other
people I'm around. The point blame, period, is that I
stood behind my legacy. I stood behind my respect. I
stood behind my work at it and everything that I
achieved than obtaining this game.
Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I did everything I could, blood sweating tis to keep that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
So when it comes to the end result fact that
like where we are now, it's a thing of people
just under in respect the fact of what I've been
able to accomplish the way I did it. They know
I took the long while. They know I didn't take
no short cause they know.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
People were taking credit for shit that you did, words that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
You come on. They know people stole my style, they
know people stole my image. I used to fight and
argue over that shit, but it's like now it's to
the point where I've done enough accomplishments. My accomplishments are different.
My accomplished is are not these platinum pleques on the wild.
My accomplishments are not the awards and shit like that
are being on the choice that people like you know
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use on the stats margin to compare the two. My
my status is being a multi mean and independent owning state,
owning my catalog, on having fifteen all this, I mean
fifty all the time of my shit, fifteen quarter million
dollar calls and up, the accumulating the biggest level features
that the rap industry has, the artist accumulating the biggest
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co signs that the rap game have, the artist independently
being on major platforms, major major features, as myself is
like the BT Awards, the No Jump whatever, just whatever
I do, just in like the biggest period. You know
what I'm saying, the Billboard Awards, all the shit that
I've done in life doing this independently, you know what
I'm saying. Accumulating over a billion streams is a multitude independently.
Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It's crazy people respect me for that, you know what
I'm saying and being.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Then you gotta think how many rappers they came out
in twenty and fourteen, twenty and thirteen that if they
call and they got platinum records, if they called you
right now ask for an interview, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Be interested in doing it. Depends on who it is.
Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
But yeah, maybe right, but I'm saying I love that
era of music. But right, but you're right. I mean, look,
if if the longevity, if the click value is not there,
you're just doing it for a nostalgic just for the
nostalgia the section. I appreciated you a period of time
as artists, and I want to be on my shoulder
to to to dissect your brain, to ask you some
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questions that I personally want to know that I feel
that if youwers want to know. But as far as
my minium algorithm and engagement to your views, you're gonna
pick artists who it makes sense, you know what I'm saying.
And a lot of artists because some of them it
was because of their music, but a lot of them
is because they may pour business business decisions early on
(01:12:26):
in their career. They're not able to make a second breath,
like they say in sports, I got my second breath.
Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I mean, you know the one guy I always think
about it, I was like rich Homi Kwan. He got
in that fucked up record deal. He couldn't drop music
for all those years, and then it was like by
the you know, he was one of the ones, you
know what I'm saying, but the artists so a lot
of your beat, Like I wonder like you kind of
seeing what someone like Thug is going through because you
guys had a very serious slime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Even though I don't fuck with slime and I don't
fuck with the mentality of slim shit, but free young Thug.
Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I don't even want to say I don't like slim.
I'm splack.
Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I don't like the mentality of and behavior of back
doing your friends, back doing your potner, because that's really
what slim means, the slimy behavior slam somebody out, that's
just the fuck out of bullshit.
Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Like we we real niggas, we were men, and us
as leaders, we play a.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Duty and a responsibility as influencers to what the people
that look up to us think it's cool and think
it's respectable or think it's honorable in the in whatever
society that you want to look at it, whether it's
just normal human beings of men, or whether it's the streets,
whether it's the hood, whatever, I don't fuck with the
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slim ship and look and just so happens, Young Thud
got slimmed out by some of his own friends in.
Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
The courtroom crazy because artists own.
Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Artists, people that you change their lives, people that you
you you you made money for them and their families,
and they don't have the dignity and the integrity to
stand in the courtroom and and stay solid on whatever
y'all caught. Codes and mores is for all of y'all's freedom,
and if all I have to lose your freedom together
to keep that, you know what I'm saying at Bay
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and then come out and do it again like baby
somebody and his friends or whoever. And that's that's what comes.
That's what comes with that lifestyle. That's what comes with
the choices that we make. That's what comes with the
brotherhood and the solitude.
Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Of any uh.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I don't even know what you call it, but a
league of men. It doesn't matter if you're the alpha
five brotherhoods, a brotherhood, a coalition, a business. We have rules,
we have we have a belief system, you know what
I mean. So to me, I feel like the slime mentality.
It's basically just boils down to me over everybody. You
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know what I'm saying, I'll do whatever, I'll do anything,
backstabbing and within my power to make sure that I
come out on top of whoever I think is weak
of honorable. And I think some of the most week
as people are the people that pray on the week
and that's what that's what the slanneship really mean. But
just as a as a person and as all that,
like why man now life, Like none of these rappers
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ever did nothing to me. I never gonna allow nobody
to do nothing to me. I move or something type
of way.
Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
You don't see anybody incarcerated.
Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
And at the end of the day, what I'm saying
so sad.
Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
It's sad to see like damn everybody. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
It's like the most famous ones, the one who ain't
who ain't saying ship.
Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
You know, and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It's about structuring order amongst the brotherhood that you have.
If y'all don't, if you don't have discipline, order amongst
your brotherhood, and everybody just we all getting money or
we all we all rying for each other, but.
Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
You gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Well, when she gets real, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
And that's the thing about it. She always get real,
even when it's going well always you always have signs.
They don't they don't lead with an iron fist correcting
these signs. Y'all not fighting each other, y'all not addressing
issues when something got stolen and y'all not addressing it.
Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Rumors that you heard, we heard you said this and
this and that.
Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
So now we're fin to hold a meeting and everybody, Finn,
come circle up, and we're fin the whole court for
what we heard you did was wrong when you put
a little talking to this girl or whatever. And then
if whatever we feel this is wrong, it's gonna be
a disciplined action behind that.
Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
As brothers.
Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
We're not gonna hurt you like you're not finna take
your life, but none of that. But it's gonna be
some disciplined action amongst us as men. Just like with
a job, you get, you get fired, you get viol
you get a violation, you get administrative leave, you get
a dock on your pay. It's a penalty for fucking up.
So it's the same thing amongst us as men and
the League of Gentlemen. Thereir penalties for sucking up. And
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if you don't execute and stand on all those principles
when things get real and they get shaky, and you're
gonna have a bunch of people with shaky legs on
you that's gonna turn on you no matter how many
times you feed their child. I mean, how many times
you gave their mama cars in medicine, gave them a career,
gave them a career. And that's that's fucking disgusting, just
being honest. If because how they say no man owes
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another man anything initially, and that also plays for the
man who's who is the leader in that circle, young thug,
then owe them people nothing. I don't owe you a
rap career. I don't owe you a song. I don't
owe you a feature. I don't owe you jurry money
called free clodes from a lot of people that want
to They want to give me this stuff. They don't
want to give it to you. They want to give
this stuff to me for what I'm doing, how hard
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I'm working. I'm choosing to share this with you. I'm
choosing to give it to you because I genuinely fuck
with you. I like you, I want you around me. Then,
when it comes to whatever goes on as far as
protecting each other, protecting each other lives, that's what comes
to being a soldier in the warrior, That's what comes
to being a human. If any sort of success, you
got to get security.
Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
You have to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
You have to think of enemies people who want to
That's animal nature and a jungle.
Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
People hunt each other.
Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Animals hunt each other to be the most dominant dominant
animal in the safari. So that should not be a
castigu to see or a point or reason for a
person and feel like, well, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Switch on you when it gets real or we get.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
In trouble, because I felt like I was doing this
and this and that for you in the streets were
all doing We all taking sacrifices and chances for each other.
Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
All are taking chances for each other.
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And it's and at the end of the day, with
that situation, obviously a big music in the price you know,
it's like huge, Yes, it's like what I made.
Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Everybody a millionaire music.
Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Everybody has a huge deal fu having the catalog and
doing what they did it. They did it that way. See,
this is one thing about me. I'm a realist. I
never hate. I'm not no hater, bro, I'm real like
I'm I'm me, I'm gonna be a god rich superstar,
and as long as I'm on this earth, I'm gonna
be Himan. Even after my life, I'm gonna be him.
And I don't planning on going nowhere, no time soon.
So I'm very happy with where I'm at. But at
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the end of the day, people always comparing contrast what
I do or what other people do that either stole
me a stall my style or like, you know what
I'm saying, fun of me. All people that I get
into it with and they success, and my sister what
they crew and they and guess what we all meanings.
We all medicines and says, and we all have been
through things where we're getting in trouble. We gotta go
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through shit. But my people, we solid you know what
I'm saying. We love each other a different type of love.
It's not just for the cameras. It's not for the
famous not to be saying words that we are we
are we are we are Splash, we are Sauces, we
are Slam. Now, this ship really means something to us
and our heart and our soul. To be able to
be a representation of this, to to have this on
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your skin, to be of this cloth, like there's something
that it's a different honor and a different code in
the streets that if you really are that, you would
never want to tournish that, no matter what the other
person done. You would never want to tornish your name
and your legacy. You would never want to put smut
on your name. You want to be an honorable man
and this shit forever bro so for people to be
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with and to risk that and the relationship with with
somebody like young thug who changed all that life, I
feel empathy for him, you know what I'm saying regardss
of whatever I had personally with him as a man.
I don't wish jail on my worst enemy, you know
what I'm saying, somebody who's my superdue worst enemy, Like
he's never been my worst enemy.
Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
That's on raph.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I never did an enemy, you know what I'm saying, physically,
somebody who's my worst enemy or real life. I wish
for you not to be on earth. I don't wish
for you to be in jail, right, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
So that's fair talk to me about Well, First of all,
I just want to give you props because your la
Leakers freestyle thank You was h incredible and it was
just filled with so much game. You packed so much
punch into that dog. That shit was crazy. I feel
(01:20:38):
like recently, finally, because like you said, you were dropping
those freestyles, I kind of caught the attention to B
T and shit. But I feel like over the last
like twenty four months or so, people have finally started
to give your flowers and respect in terms of like
your talent as a real top tier MC. Obviously you
torn on the road with Griselda and Conway and those
guys those I mean that Dan, just Damne. Your shit
(01:21:00):
is fucking crazy. Do you feel like finally you're starting
to get your flowers when it comes to just the
tear of mcu are because you obviously care a lot
about the craft of rapping, not just what it.
Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Can bring you.
Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Again, I hate to keep regurd just hating and saying
the same shit like I'm just cut from a different cloth,
Like I'm a nineties baby. I was born nineteen ninety,
you know what I'm saying. June nineteen ninety, you know
what I'm saying. So I grew up in an era,
a tender era of hip hop where has style and
flavor and individuality, and you know what I'm saying, more
(01:21:43):
simple styles of music, but there were still captivating to
the ear, to the audience. Starts to emerge, but lyricism
is still important. Yes, lyricism is still still dominant my
entire time of falling in love with hip hop and
the way hip hop was given to me, even though
I was giving hip hop through DJ Screw and slow
the music and ship like that, which again is I
(01:22:05):
don't want to say it's not punchlines driven, because it is.
It's a huge amount of punch lines in our free
style rap culture. But it's that's It's just not the
main point. It's not the I feel like kind of
like the real.
Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Like if you're digging into out like it was really bun.
Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Big Yeah, like bun Bee Chamellionaireire know what I'm saying,
uh Ki Ki has some punchlines to poll while two
you know what I'm saying, comeaning up punchlineord.
Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
But again, like I said.
Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
In the Houston music lineage, like even within the Screw culture,
it's like different breakords and different tiers of how we
segregate them.
Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
You know what I'm saying, how we look at them,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
So where you to be honest, when you hear a
huge amount of the lyrical structure and the lyrical capability
that comes from tastes, It's in the pain music, you
know what I'm saying, From the likes of the Zeros,
the Jade Doll, bun Bees, guard Face, pim SPM, like
you know what I mean. Like that, that's another huge
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part of Houston culture. And like I'm like the I'm
like the Prodigy and the the mutant baby of all
of that shit. Like I'm the best version of everything
Houston was good at.
Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
I'm the best version of it.
Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
I'm my best lyricist without a question, and like the
world been through that.
Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
But it was a combination.
Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Of me overcoming the black ball and then also me
being arrogant.
Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
You know, I was young. I was arrogant a lot
of shit.
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I didn't want to do it, Like I was still
in the streets a lot, you know what I'm saying.
So a lot of publications I didn't want to come
do with the interviews or I didn't want to do
the free I said there earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
A lot of shit. Sometimes I feel like I might
talk too much.
Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I didn't want to, you know what I'm saying, Younger,
I ain't want to do some of the publications that
I could have done the freestyles though I've been one
through do a lot of the freestyles that I do now,
but I just didn't have the same resources and that
come that came over time, but people giving me my
respect from getting it through other ways.
Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
So that's why I agree with you with a met percent.
Like the reachs that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I have now with the higher platforms, it's not no.
It's no platform in the world who not only doesn't
know me but doesn't want to work with me now,
and I have to.
Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Go along route around viral and working hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
But from a lyrical standpoint, like just be just me
being honest with myself and the fans like just no
Bush And you can go through my discography and see
this shit. You can go through my my Sorry for
the Sauce mixtapes that I was did. Sorry for the
Sauce one, two, and three. I think I think I
think I did three of them. It's time to do
four now, so you have there. I'm one of the
best rappers to ever come ever Pier.
Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
There was like whispers, I feel like, because you know,
I'm pretty tight with a lot of the Griselda guys.
Was there ever like a discussion of you doing an
album with Griselda?
Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Really was a few albums with Moselda, like and we
still work together to this day.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Because you on all Darringer beats for an album.
Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
No, I have, No, that's my album I have. You
know that's coming out this year. That's happening. That's happened.
That's happening.
Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
And I thought you saying like you're just blacking out
on all every song, every song, and then it's all
crazy about it is the album. It is two years old,
like I did the album two years two years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
This shop is supposed to been come out, and just going.
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Through all the process to release it because it's a sample,
it's a sample.
Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah, but that's so crazy. I been did that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
That's what I'm saying, Like, even when that album dropping,
everybody going crazy of it, like it's still not gonna
even reflect the lyrical capability that I have still, but
it's great album and it's gonna do great. But I'm
I just get better every day and I've been this
good too, Like I've been rapping like ghetto gospel and
punchlines like this. I'm a batter rapper, like I come
from that. I come from batter rapping and freestyling, and
(01:25:56):
like I stopped. I recorded my first song in the
student Yeah, when I was six years old, nineteen ninety six.
That's the first time I stood in the studio and
in front of what like is with a headphone and
a real booth, like I'm a feno.
Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
So crazy because that freestyle you dropped, I just was like, Yo,
so many people are finding out about Sauce for the
first time off this freestyle. I love it though, And
it's so crazy because you get like, there's a few
freestyles that have come out of the last like four
or five years that I felt like, like, Yo, if
you just listen to that freestyle, you could really kind
of like applicate somebody of your bars, to your life,
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to your person, man.
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
And that's the type of rapper that I am. Like
other type of artists.
Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
You could close your eyes and listen to my lyrics
and you could see every single thing that I'm saying,
like the most vivid narrarator to a book to a novel, Like,
that's just the type of artist that I am, even
in my fun music and my grip music and like
the exciting shit. And that's I think that's been also
one of the like the determining factors that people necessary
(01:26:55):
they respected me as a lyricist as well as that
I'm so versatile.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
So versatile, you can do anything, do anything.
Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I do rep any style, any be any language, any BPM,
Like it is nothing that I cannot do on the
court as far as being an artist singing rap hormonized,
It's nothing that.
Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
I can't do well, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like.
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
That's another thing that kind of take away from people
just straight looking at me as a lyricist, because it's
something you might you might catch the singing saucewalker on
accident first. You might catch the dripping and the pippin
saucewalker first. You might catch the street gang banging saucewalker first,
you know what I'm saying, the slide music then, or
you might catch the financial literacy and the mental wealth
(01:27:38):
and wellness and ghetto gospel. Like it's so many different
right angles that I mastered.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Can you break down something you said in your freestyle
that I've been seeing a lot of people talk about
recently is how business lines of credit work. We're talking
about you said, financial literacy. Give me the game on
if you have an LLC, if you haven't corporation, how
can you leverage a business line of credit?
Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
And what is that and how.
Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Have you been able to kind of because I've seen
a lot of people talking about that.
Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
It's like something that they're doing, like.
Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Well, because it's not yours, because you say and you say.
Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Use their money absolutely absolutely, And to be honest, I
hated OPM an first.
Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Other people's money.
Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
That's what they call it, right, And I feel like
sometimes you get brainwashed it like now you do it yourself,
David Ramsey, shit.
Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Right like that you just so like I said, it's
a divine battle. It's like good versus evils. Do it
by yourself, be independent on everything. And then it's also
uh not not to say that if you can't beat them,
join them, but that everybody needs somebody. All the greatest
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companies in the world are not raned by a single person,
that ran by a great team. Correct teamwork makes the
dream work.
Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
So it's like, even though it's like a car, bro
a car ain't nothing but a bunch of tools and
pieces of metal and fluid until a human being gets
in that motherfucking operator. That's why they're trying to change
it to autonomous vehicles that drive themselves. And even with that,
without the car being connected to the grid and the
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internet and GPS and all of those service that costs,
they're not gonna move itself.
Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
You know what I'm saying. It's the team.
Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
And guess with all of them components and the human
and the car, it's like you could take one component
out and it don't work. You take the wheel off,
now all of that shit that we were just talking about,
it don't work. Still off a fucking wheel a tire.
So what I'm saying, so when I look at business
from that aspect, it's like, Okay, damn yeah, it's great
to be an owner and to be a self sufficient
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business or you know what I'm saying, soul proprietor owner
or you know what I'm saying, business person, that's great,
but you gotta have a team. You gotta let other
people make money, you gotta let other people eat, you
gotta do business with other people to expand. So now
where you said from the business a business a line
of credit. I didn't agree with that at first because
it's like, so, what is that essentially a taking a loan.
(01:30:07):
You're taking a loan out as you're taking the loan
from your entity, calibrated to how much money that you're
accumulating as a business.
Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Right, that's what they.
Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Because every business has credit, just like every human has credit.
Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Right, So we're going off of the trust of how
much money are you accumulating annually, which is that's a year,
how much you're accumulating monthly, and then they give you
a baseline of credit to okay, if your company is evaluated,
it is so much and you when we look through
your bank's sales, this is all the different transactions that
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you have to show us xyz amount of money. So
therefore we feel that at the leverage of your business though,
because you're putting this at the leverage of the credit
of your business, right, so that we will give you
fifty thousand dollars, we'll give you twenty thousand dollars, and
then over a period amount of time at a probate rate,
you're supposed to pay that fifty thousand dollars back. And
when you pay that fifty thousand dollars back, they're going
(01:31:02):
to give you an even bigger line of credit. So
usually for most people, most people that have the common
sense to go do this type of stuff, they already
have already made five figures. Already, they already making twenty
thirty fifty thousand dollars in some way, type or form.
So now you show that in business that you can
be a fucking barber and show that shit.
Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
You know what I'm saying. You can be a barber and.
Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
You're gonna use that barbiera like buy the barbershop or
that whatever. It's the same thing with the he lock.
If you have a home right you can pull out
your bread. Let's say you want to go flip a property, y'all,
I'm gonna pull out some bread from my house, pull
out the pay it.
Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Back it back, and then boom, Now own two properties
or I sold a property, my house is paid for
an app.
Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
And I made eighty thousand off the profit of the
other one.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Exactly, it's the same. It's the same difference with business.
And the thing about like you said, music is twelve x.
Regular business is ten X. Digital abausicy digital business is
twenty five X. So like if you're on the website
or something that's five and an app that's twenty, you
sell that to.
Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Oh no, the app money is crazy twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
If you can hear twenty five, it's twenty five ks.
Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
If you said that's a Hinge fund investment fund, that's
twenty fives.
Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Are you fucking with crypto?
Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I had a bunch of money crypto, but I don't
like it though. But I made money on XRP on
some rap shit promo. I was on Ripple too, Ripple,
That's why I made my money from Ripple.
Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I had, I had a guy.
Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
It was like in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Seventeen, twenty seven. I bought a Maybag off of that ship.
Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Twenty seventeen, I had a guy. It spiked in December.
Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Listen, I got in I had. I got in when
it was like thirty cent.
Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
He got into crypto. He bought WILLI D's cord and
lost his ass shot to the getto.
Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
I didn't see see. I got blessed. I didn't have
to buy my coin.
Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
But you were early I was there too.
Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah, I didn't have to buy my coin.
Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
That's how I got my may back of twenty seventeen,
twenty sixteen, whenever there was twenty eventeen. I had a
guy x RP mayback right. I did a commercial about
it and everything. I had a guy like you're saying,
a rap hustle, shit, leverage in the rap hustle.
Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Wow, someone someone hits you to plug the XRP ship boom.
Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
He had.
Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
He had a telegram class called Winter's Cloud. Oh shit, yeah,
and he had like I think it was like I
don't know when he met me. I think he had
like eighty students or something, eighty students paying like five
hundred dollars a month or some shit. Eighty students planing.
He was making some cool little money yeah. Then and
then he also was he was like a shark on
(01:33:18):
the crypto shit, and he was like doing real good
in crypto. He had like a lot of money in crypto,
but he only wanted to pay me at crypto and
I hated that shit. So I did the first commercial
with him in crypto. I started up through cryptocount. We
did forty thousand dollars for the commercial. The big old
commercial for on talked about the crypto put out money
on the internet and said about all this stuff if
y'all can get on crypto XR people, but.
Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Follow his class, his classes. We taught me how to
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
His class went from like he was theret a one
hundred hundred students first commercial got him to like one
hundred and fifty almost two hundred students, which return of
investment a good all while.
Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
So then he wanted to do it monthly.
Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
So I'm like, bro, we're doing this shit monthly, Like
I'm not with the crypto shit.
Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
You gotta pay me cash.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Like I need cash, bro, Like I want money, So like,
all right, fuck it, bro, I'm gonna get We're gonna
do seven months, forty thousand a month for one commercial
a month. So we did half of the year seven months,
and then it went good. We end up doing the
full year. So I made four hundred some thousand off
of doing the commercials with him, right, but the first
forty thousand.
Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Then he gave me cripto, so I p right.
Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
That was when they were for four hundred, because listen,
it was thirty cents.
Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
It was like up to like three bucks. I got
I pulled out of a dollar.
Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Oh but still I went.
Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Crazy though, I went crazy, and then like I then
like we did some some weird like we did some
songs with him, like he wanted to dude, like you know,
we were hustling. But he's a good guy. I love
gotta love him to it's a good friend of mine,
good friend of mine. But we like made him an
x RP song and shit like that. So I gave
like some crypto to my partners, and he gave me
more crypto. He was like, yeah, we just start like
(01:34:51):
spreading the sh around. But I pulled out when it
was a dollar.
Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
I mean, you made money because it because it's spiked.
Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
And I turned forty thousand, and then you know how
that shit go be going down up, So basically it
went down to like thirty two, right twenty something, and
then all of a sudden they just went.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
That ship's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I went looking at the ship because you know how
that shit goes. I got hooked up in one phone
I only got I got the pass word and the
coin base app on one phone I ould have then
that lost the phone got to find Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I had a friend of mine, bro who lost his
he had everything on a hard ledger. He had about
thirty or forty grand on there and lost it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
I got I gotta lucky, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
They say there's like million, hundreds of millions of dollars
of lost bitcoin for sure, floating.
Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Into almost lost my phone hundred thousand. I just got
lucky that I found the call my manager. I found
the phone at my manager the house one day. Connected
that one phone. Yes, connected to that one phone, bro.
I found the phone. The screen was broke, fixing the
phone the morning. But it was cool, though it was, it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Was some cool.
Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I got to ask you, man, you know, I know
you had a relationship with Dolph resting piece to Doph.
Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Yeah, you've been in like you were.
Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
In La you had that situation where it was around
the time you recorded your freestyle the Guy, the Guy.
Obviously there was a famous video of the blood on
your shoes and all that shit. How when you see
like you've been in those types of situations where you
could have lost your life, you see friends who you're
close with throughout the music industry losing your life. I'm
(01:36:22):
sure people who we don't even know that are your
friends from your hometown that have lost their life. How
does that affect your mental because you're someone who's like
out the fuck side, you know what I'm saying, very
very accessible.
Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
You're a man of the people. But when you lose a.
Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Guy like Dolf or you see what happens to Nipsey,
you know these people who lost their life in their hometown,
you know, does it make you second guess your approach
to how you go outside, like moving around a certain way?
Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
I mean for.
Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Number one, again, like everybody hometown in the city and
state is different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
But at the same time, how can I say this.
Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I'm a person that believes in every ten years, you
have to make an example for people to understand the
respect that you.
Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Demand as a human being.
Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
And I'm a person that I'm always gonna make sure
that those examples have been made to gain my respect
as a as a as a person. And I've done
that way before this rap shit Like I grew up
in gang wars, violence fights, going to jail, going to penitentiary,
(01:37:43):
you know what I'm saying, fighting with shanks, And you
know what I'm saying, a fucking fan putting a fan
motor in.
Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
A sock and using it like a numbruck. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
You get hit one time, yo, eye socker down there
breaking come out like.
Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I've seen a different type of darkness, like regarded to
all the OUI and the q shit and bubbos in
my head like I'm a crack baby, Like I come
from a different type of savagery. So my comfort, my comfort,
and my peace is in the midst any abits of savagery.
(01:38:22):
That's that's who feel the most comfortable around me. That's
who I feel most comfortable around because we want them
the same. And a lion knows a lion, a gorilla
knows a gorilla, a bear knows a bear, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
But it feels like sometimes it's the goat or the
fucking calf that comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
No, that's that's where.
Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
That's where again where I say, it's examples that got
to be made, and there's good examples and bad examples.
Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
They got to be made.
Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
And we have to understand that nobody's bigger than the
next person, you know what I'm saying. So just when
you're a superstar and you somebody who's known in the
position of power, you gotta give back as well. You
have to give back charity, you gotta give back money,
you gotta give back opportunities. You got to give bad clothes, food,
the things that are nothing to you, or the things
that you have an overabundance of, you have to give
(01:39:13):
those things back. But just like you have to give
that back, it's certain ass whoopings that you gotta give
back as well. And a child without a ass whooping,
or they don't know that you are a person that
likes to kick ass, then they're gonna be rebellion to
you and they're gonna do things to you that's insubordinate
or this cause chaos because you don't apply order. I'm
(01:39:35):
a person that I'm very very stern on applying order
in my hometown, in somebody else town wherever I'm at.
And that's why I'm people people who don't or people
like when they say that shit about checking in, Like
if you don't a person that don't check in or
that don't fuck with gangsters and people, that's a person
(01:39:55):
that's like minding you. When you go to the city
state you not like that you're not or you coming
or you're coming to this place with all of your
resources and in lines of defense with you to basically
try to it's not even the user word in truth.
You want to visit this person land to do what
you want to do in their land, but you can't
(01:40:16):
be thinking that you're going to do this permanently and
stay here without having some type of a mishap of confusion.
And I'm a person that grew up in so much confusion,
so much controversy, so much violence, that I just know
how to weather then deal with it so well, because
that's what my whole like, like my whole entire childhood,
Like like you google this shit, like look me up.
(01:40:38):
There's not nothing like my life, not a secret ex
around Houston like Texas, like us. My entire life has
been so riding around violence, and that's rather subsiding violence,
engaging in violence, or you know, having the mental capacity
and respect to talk and a situation that's very very
(01:41:01):
dangerous where we all could lose our lives right now,
but I understand how to make conversation and wags of
war to what we both can leave and go home
and see our families and gain the level of respective
understanding for whatever the problem was and get to a
resolution to their problem in the midst of water. And
(01:41:23):
a lot of artists, a lot of people shy a
right away from that. They don't want to deal with
their hands on they that hear about it, or they
know it's a problem, and they allow a problem to grow.
I don't allow problems to grow. Problems have to be
put your hand on the problem.
Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
If it's an ant bed, you have to get that
ant bed out of your grass, or you need to
build an.
Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Ecosystem where you and ants can live together in peace
and harmony.
Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
It is interesting because, as you know, everyone's moving to
Texas right now.
Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Yeah, so you got all of it.
Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Yeah, I mean it's I love it. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Whether it's Dallas or Houston, it feels like or Austin,
Austin's lit.
Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Yeah, I love you. I love that everybody's coming to Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I like it's people don't want to pay taxes, man,
and they want to.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
I don't know why people think you come in here,
you're not gonna pay taxes, Like we have taxes.
Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Don't got property taxes. Yeah, you ain't got state tax.
Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
No, we don't have a state tax.
Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
State tax.
Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Thirty if you make some money to be in the
state of California.
Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Yes, so add that with your federal tax, you're giving
up half your money.
Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Oh yeah, no, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
You know we don't have that's what well, I never
thought about that. But when you talk about like property tax, and.
Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
That's why Elon's over there making tessels out there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Now, yeah, all of Yeah, we got testlatle buildings everywhere,
like huge ass tessela facilities everywhere all over the state
of Texas for sure, Amazon.
Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
And all them this shit, Yo, I love it. Though
it's more money.
Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
It's like, like I said, our economy raises, ecosystem raises,
do everything raises when everybody from around the world comes
and see how amazing of a place that Texas is
and the opportunities that we could create and share together.
But it's up to the people that's from Texas to
to take a leading force in the leading hand and
what's going on in the evolution of our state.
Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
How you feeling about the Rockets, Man, great young team.
Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
I think we got a.
Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Great I think the Texas period we've got great teams
like the Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
We got a great team. C J.
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Stroud, Uh they just signed, just got step fun Diz.
We got a great sports team, you know what I'm saying.
We got some good coaching.
Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Now. I think the Houston Rockets a great team.
Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Books uh Green Van Fleet saying sant Goon is a beast.
Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
He's my favorite one of all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
The Sam the Center excuse me, Turkish motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
All right, that's that's our droger, that's our joker.
Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Like I got you one of them Europeans, he's gonna
be that boy. We got some good Dirk the Winskey
down that we're cool. I like him being there. And
then the Dallas Mavericks was just in the.
Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Championship and the Rangers just want to.
Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
And the Rangers just won the world title right after
the Houston Houston that shows won too. So like all
of those spaces, Texas is doing great. That's why I
be so passionate about the music part.
Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
We talked about.
Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Man, I think I think right now Texas in good hands.
Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
No, we're doing great right now, but it's still more
work than needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
But right now we're doing great.
Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Right now, I'm on the fans ass like right now
the artist is doing whatever they supposed to be doing
right now, my vendetta or my beefer who people who
I feel need to be corrected is the is. The
is the consumers, the fans, and the party promoters, y'all.
The are you party promoters? Are you of club owners
and store vendors and event planners and all that shit?
(01:44:36):
And and the fans of people that's from the community,
the regular people love the artists that's from And this
is not a problem that I really did with like
that because I'm I'm I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Really him, But.
Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Just as a universal growth of my state and my city,
it's still greater opportunities that I miss out on as well,
because it's not enough. See, the hater wants to be
the owner nigga, that's the big popping stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
No nigga, Well, who is Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
If he don't got nobody else in the NBA to
play against, Sure, he's just another tall nigga that runs
fast and jump high. If you don't have competitive nature
around you to where the world wants to see what's
going on in your backyard, then it means nothing. So
even though I'm saucewalking, I'm great making the status she's
making him saying she's great. Uh uh, Travis Scott is
(01:45:24):
Travis Scott, He's great. We all of these great superstar
missive stars of cultural cultural pieces on different levels. But
we still need all of the the Jermans and the
ot B's and the Maxo Crans and all these other people.
We need the big EXA plugs, D bat D baby
Payso we need more and more and more and more
(01:45:44):
of that. Because I don't I may not be able
to knock down the door that you can't knock down.
I think I might not be the person that brings
Nake to the city but you pout to do. I
might not be the person that could bring fucking Universal
Studios or whatever this company was to the hit.
Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
I think I think, you know, also like bringing it
like like you said, you you you have that compound
space that you could bring people to do.
Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
That show it's happening. Everybody ain't got the money to
do that show.
Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
What I'm talking about the artists that were you know,
obviously there's artistic.
Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Stead this ship called money, bro, Like, come on, bro,
when you got people, you got to think everybody's trying
to keep up with the Joneses. They're not getting that
fat ass chack every money they living off of. I
got paid one million dollars one time. I got paid
two million dollars one time, and I got to stretch
out this two million dollars until I go on to
and get paid. Hey man, people, I feel like Posts.
It's different post moone has the power. No, yeah, those guys,
(01:46:36):
That's what I'm saying. But come on, Post moved to Utah.
I don't even want to be intensive. They don't want
to be intentions to deal with the politics, right, they
don't want to deal with that. That's why Person Night
Sauce Walker is so important. Because I got the millions,
I got the power, I got the fame, I got
the start them. I got all this ship to leave
Texas and the win and never look back and get
bigger and bigger. But I stayed right, and I continue
(01:46:59):
to fight and stay and make Texas greater, and I
continue to be relevant. I stay rich, I stay bottling
what new cyber truck out, we bound tyber truck road
ortchu we bound roads, ruts, change costs.
Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
House or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
I keep my my I keep my stats up to
the point to where every person that from Houston or
front side of Texas has the same things to be
proud of and be happy or that they have that
other people from these other cities and states have. And
then I make these other starts acknowledge it and love
it and respect that when they come to my city
the same way I do to them, and they just
(01:47:32):
needs to be appreciating more all around the city.
Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
And You're right, these artistics is making money.
Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Need to do things to invest into the city and
the culture like I'm doing, Like having real estate. If
you could do it, then do it. But it's hard.
I'm paying seventy five hundred a month for my compound
in Houston on top of having five houses that I have,
on top of having another compound and bro in Miami.
Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
You know what I'm saying. We're just talking about to
be there.
Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
We ain't saying all the bills and all the eighty
thousand dollars for fucking renovation, the floor, POxy, floors, cool ash,
you know what I'm saying, Like everybody for sure able
get it, but just try try.
Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Try anything coming music wise.
Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
My album just dropped Man South After two out right now,
Soft Water two, a second addition to a series that
I started a long time ago to that. Now I'm
officially making the series. Most of my music got do.
Most of my albums are serious pieces. Yeah, damn j
album on the way. My story is growing. Have the
(01:48:32):
other store in Miami, the sauspect three of Miami and Brickel.
We got my boat Potential Watercrab, and have a boat
company that I own.
Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
My artist dropping music.
Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
We're trying to get into movies and films and trying
to get into you know, voice acting and you know,
just working hard. I'm gonna put out a large body
of work within the next two years, like music wise,
because I'm thirty four years old. Now I'm a millionaire.
I'm still making my money. I'm going but I want
to hear in your prime, my primes. I'm over. I'm
(01:49:02):
an overdo this ship and then I'm gonna take a
period of time where I exploring other ship.
Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Hey man, you got you could do a lot, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
So, like you said, voiceover ship acting, whatever there it is,
Sauce Man, I appreciate you finding pla away.
Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Hey man, it's been a pleasure. I've been wanting to
come here for a long time. Man, I'm glad we
got to do it, fire,
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