July 12, 2024 • 49 mins
Interview with Miles Minnick on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was good. Everybody, some boy, Miles Minic, it takes
me out. On the Bootleg Cab Podcast, Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right man. Bootleg Cab Podcast Special guests in here
Miles Minic, Welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, it's good to be here, man, Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes. So, for people who are not familiar with who
you are, you're from the Bay Area, Yes, sir. And
would you consider yourself a quote unquote Christian rapper?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
A lot of people would. Yeah. I do music about
my life and I live my life for the Lord.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
So how long have you making music?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Making music all together? Maybe like ten years? Doing it
professionally like five and.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The whole time is your like message in the same No.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, for surely not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I grew up in a Bay like doing like you know,
the mob music, the gangster rap, like rolling with like
DV to General, DSB, click like all of them, with
that like get active movement like twenty ten, so.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You were like your content was much more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh for surely yeah. Yeah yeah, but like around twenty eleven,
you know what I'm saying, Like I found I found
the Lord and eventually like surrounding my music over it
to them you know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Did you notice, like, well that was a long time ago. Fuck,
that's I'm sorry. I'm gonna cuss a lot. You please
excuse me, because I can't control it around anyone's children either.
Sometimes my friends bring the kids around. I'll just be
talking and they'd be like yo, and I'm like, hey, man,
don't bring your fucking kid around me. Then respectfully, anyway,
with that being said, I mean you're like, it's a
(01:26):
long twenty ten and now it's fourteen years. Yeah, you
know it didn't happen overnight for you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, definitely not. And it's like when I became a Christian,
I didn't know if doing music was like acceptable the
way I was doing it, Like I was in the
streets doing aggressive music, and when I thought about doing
that for God, I didn't think that that was acceptable.
And so it took me a minute to get back
into it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So you like took a break from so yeah, and
then you like kind of were like, all right, now
I'm gonna kind of make my music about positivity and yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, And that was like when I started really tapping too.
It taking serious was the beginning of twenty eighteen. So
between twenty eleven twenty eighteen, I'm just like just trying
to figure it out, trying to grow in my character,
integrity and saying, trying to really just become a man,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, you know it's interesting because I feel like if
someone says they're a Christian rapper, they automatically are looked
at with a certain I would say negative stigma and
hip hop. Would you say that's the case.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say maybe in the grand scheme of things,
But for me, that really hasn't been a case, right, Yeah,
And maybe because of the sound that I have and
how I look, whatever the case may be, like, and
maybe because I'm authentically like from.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here right, I mean, listen, you have I told I
told you this off. So I was like, Bro, your
shit is like high fiass Christian music. It's like music
you geld bit of carto and then repent after card.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
To after Yo. Hey, I'll take that, yeah, as long
as they were apinted.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But uh, yeah, you know, because because for me, it's
like there's guys like Shouts of Lacree, who's obviously had
a major deal with Atlantic for I think it was
Atlantic Colombia. I think Combia. Yeah, but he was on
a major label. I don't know if he still is
or not. I don't want to speak about the situation,
but obviously very successful artist. I feel like Lacree was
like he was dope, but he happened to be a
(03:28):
Christian rapper. And I kind of feel like that's the
key because there's guys who like a quote unquote Christian rappers,
but their music is very it's not very palatable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like for like a general audience.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, Like I feel like I pressed play on your
ship and I was like, oh, this is just like
if I didn't know that, like this is just some
shit to.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, it's like once you realize is Christian, it's too late,
like you already like it, right, you know what I'm saying.
And so that's kind of like the method like putting
the the medicine and the food.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is there any uh? Because obviously is there like a
Christian rap world that you have to kind of penetrate
and get into, Like are there? Like I just do
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's definitely a world.
Are there Christian rap blogs and shit?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like what's the Christian rap academics?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah? Ooh, Christian Rap Academics. Oh okay, proper exl okay.
So that's a popular instagram for Christian rap rap Zilla,
you got ch Promotions. Anda stands for Christian hip Hop
and there's like a plethoro though.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So there's like tons of Christian hip hop artists that
they don't even know there is. It's just the world.
I'm not hip too whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's a subgenre of hip hop, you know what I'm saying.
But people are selling out shows.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, I saw you do it. Listen. It is not
easy to sell. There's so many artists that could not
sell out a quarter of the Novo let alone the
full thing. So that's very, very impressive. And you got
to show coming up to the Observatory too in August.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, August thirty first yep.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, So like you're doing like big venues, Like this
is like a movement that you're doing. So I think
it's dope. Like kudos to you, ma because doing it
your way.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Oh much, love, bro, It's a blessing. You know. I
used to think that I had to rap about a
certain thing a certain way to make any kind of
progress or be successful. But it's like I'm just leaning
to what I feel like is right.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean, at the end of the day, I always
tell people if you got a niche, and I'm not
saying that, like you being a Christian is a niche
because this is your life, like it's who you are, right,
But in hip hop it's a niche. Yeah yeah, And
like you know, with any sort of art form, I
feel like, lean into your niche because it's tribe, yeah
for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. Yeah. And we I feel like I tried found
us though, Like we just started putting on music. Then
I put out a song called Glow and then our
followers would just like organically call my team like, oh,
look at the Glow Team. Look at the glowers. It's
not okay, glow Nation. They'll call them glow Nation. And
then I grew into something bigger than we can imagine.
(05:50):
You feel me. Now we got Glow Festival.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So is that your like your fan base, like your beehive,
my behive, glow Nation is your behive?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, my my Bobby Socks is my rap pack. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So who was your who were your favorite rappers? Just
like coming up like that, you obviously being from the
Bay like, who are some guys who like influenced you?
Who you would take.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The main one for surely forty forty my getto report Card.
That album definitely shaped my childhood. You know. Of course
Mac dre as well. The wolf Pack got my bands a.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
One of the most influential rap groups ever that gets
no credit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Absolutely, and then I feel like what came out of
the wolf Pack is like HBK Gang so.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I would like to point out that a lot
of those beat that the Packs were rapping on us
sounded a lot like Mustard and League of Stars.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That came a little I wasn't gonna say, you know
what I'm saying, must love, must love to muster to everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, no, but I'm just letting you like that the
Bay had a little they had some influence on everybody.
I just had this conversation yesday. I'm like, Yo, the
Bay and Texas get no love when it comes to
who they influenced, Like the Bays influenced everybody and the
Baby and always forgotten. We know it's no, yeah, definitely
know because y'all let everybody know. Trust me, you meet
somebody from the Bank, they'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We got this big chip on our shoulder. You feel me.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But people from the Bear are like people who do CrossFit.
They won't stop telling you about that. Yeah we get it,
we get yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, It's like it's the culture. We're proud of it.
And if nobody gonna talk about it, were gonna talk
about it. Got you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Have you worked with the obviously you're making noise. Have
you worked with any of the other up and coming
art like a guy like Pilo or like you know,
some of the guys who are making John Mexican. I
don't know if you would you work with somebody if
they are not Let's ask that, if they're not aligned
with you spiritually, values wise, would you work with someone?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And we was talking about this yesterday on ruse Line.
So I'm actually about to get in the studio with Pilow,
coming up song. We're gonna make some slaps. I'm in
a studio with l Russell in two days. You know
what I'm saying. And these aren't necessarily Christian artists.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He is not a Christian, you know, and had some nights.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know what I'm saying. But that don't mean we
can't make a song that is palatable for both of
our audiences that doesn't come.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You'll work with Yeah, as long as it's not some
crazy as long as than I. You're not gonna work
with white boy Cardi though.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean now me feel me like the symbolism and stuff,
the people getting possessed during his concerts, we can have
to work on that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I've been I've been to a Cardi show and very
very some vampire member me and it's there and I
was like, what the fuck's happening.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like some vampires.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
No, I just didn't. Dude, was like a seance on stage,
And I'm like, you know, that was the only time
in hip hop and like, you know, I'll be around
some young young ass ship. But if the Cardi ship
had rolled them loud. Yeah, seeing all these it was
this is in Miami, you seeing all these dusty ass,
muddy white kids with beat up forces just fucking just
like it was just like, I'm like this, I don't
(08:47):
get it. Yeah, It's the only hip hop moment in
my life where I looked up and I was like,
I don't know what's happening. Let's go back to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand it either, you know,
shout out to him. Yeah, big, big shout out. Soon
he got a movement behind him, you know what I'm saying,
So maybe one day we could we could top it
up or something.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Do you feel like as somebody who is a Christian
do you feel because I feel like nowadays a lot
of artists they have like cult like followings, and I
feel like there's a lot of kids who kind of
replace like, you know, when I was growing up, but
my parents are growing up. I feel like religion was
a lot more like pushed upon kids and you know,
(09:28):
stuff like that. But nowadays it feels like like artists
and celebrities and are kind of like the new religion
for a lot of these kids.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Do you Yeah, Yeah, Well, so like your question is like,
how do I feel about Yeah, Like, well, Christianity not
being the norm as it was before. I mean, this generation,
they're heavily influenced by what they see on their phones
or like the artists of today. I'm just I'm just
grateful that I found something that's more more meaningful to me.
(09:58):
You know what I'm saying, That kid, that's that lasts
longer than the hype of an artist, You know what
I'm saying, So I'm just trying to encourage people like, fine, fine,
find your your peace, you know what I'm saying. And
my piece is found in Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So do you care like to have non religious people
like come to your party? Like do you want do
you want those people to like be fans?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Or is it like, hey, I got the show because
what's the name of your album? It's like Cali Christ.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Christ like California. So it's like me like if I
didn't know, like if DJHA didn't put me up on
you or Ace didn't call me, if someone sent me
an album and said Christ like California as somebody's gotta
tell you, I'd have been like, well, this shit ain't
for me. I wouldn't even a press play. Now I
pressed play and I was like, oh, this ship is fire,
(10:46):
Like this shit is dope. But it's like I almost
feel it's almost like when Kanye put out Jesus King.
It was my least favorite Kanye album because I felt
like he was pushing something on me and I was like, well,
this ain't for me. You know what I'm saying. I
feel like listening to your music, it doesn't feel like
you're overly like slapping people upside the head with yeah,
(11:09):
but what uh? But the title is the title is
like it's going to like scare some people off before
they even are able to give you a chance.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I can feel that. I can feel that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm not to say that like you care or you
should care because your this is your mission. Yeah, I'm
just from my perspective, I'm like, well, me in this
fool like he's he's he's Jewish. He just did a
he just did a twenty three and me and found
out he's thirty percent Jewish. Yes, he just did the test.
(11:39):
He's Jewish and Mexican straight up. His his his grandma
cheated on his grandpa with the Jewish neighbor. We found
all that. We literally found this all out in the
last twelve months. My producer did one of the DNA
tests for people who can't see him on camera. Now
he does. I told him he's a leading I told
him he's a leaning to it. I said, got you
(11:59):
own it, it's who you are. You got to go
to the bable shop anyway. But I was just saying
like in terms of like we're hip hop fans. So
when I hear when I heard your music, I was like, oh,
this shit is dope. But I think that like the
like you like we said the title. If I was
just some normal rap fan, I might be like, man,
that's some preachy ash Christian shit, like, yeah, how do
(12:20):
you find the because you're obviously what you're doing is
working for you. That's why I'm like, do you care that?
Like that might push normal hip hop fans away or
maybe just turn them off from like trying to discover
what you got.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean maybe I could. I could consider the titles more,
but I'm more so think about them when i'm making
the music more so than i'm titling the song right,
Like with a song like boosted Up, Like that's a
song about God to going harder in your faith. But
when you put that thing on, you get sneeze to it,
squabble to it, you can go crazy to it, and
it's not going to scare them away. And for christ
like California the album, really that was me like blending
(12:57):
my faith with the culture. You know what I'm saying,
because you're gonna get this cross like message, but with
the California sounds stop no, it sound great. Yeah, I
appreciate it bro, But yeah, man, we're just trying to
trying to figure it out as we go. No, I
mean it's working man grateful.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do they have any Christian rap beefs happening? You know?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yes there is, yes, wow, yes, but a lot of
it is like like on the low, like.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
On the under, people hating on the low.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
On the under you'll be surprised, like how many unreleased
Christian disc songs you will.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Find it's very Unchristian like.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No for really, that's why they don't put it out. Wow,
that's why they don't release it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You and the Craig got beef. It started the Kendrick verse.
Drake things sounds. I know, they're not like us freestyle.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Right, so did so did uh? So.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm just curious here because Christian rappers beefing with each
other just feels it just feels it feels like an oxymoron.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But you know what people have, You know what, people
tend to use my songs to subliminately dis other people
on them.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh so you have songs with features where other guys.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Like, why you gotta do that? All by soul? Like
they don't drop names, but it's like you're clearly talking
about so and so on my song.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's like, when you hear that, do you send them
a text and say ww JD. Jesus wouldn't diss somebody
on my song, don't sub somebody on my shit?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Hey hey, but but you will be told Jesus was
low key dissing a lot of people in a Bible.
Satan for sure, if you look at it, you don't
say the overreligious folks.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Here was smoke for Satan and the overreligious folks.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And the over religious.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you think overreligious people are a problem?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah? What would you just find is overreligious?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay? Okay, I think I think. I think it's a
good thing to really break down. So an example of
somebody being overreligious is, let's say the protesters that come
to my events. We get protested a lot by certain
religious groups that say what you're doing you satanic? Is demonic.
God doesn't approve trust me.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I walk by them all the time. I go to
wrestling shows, and these guys are they got fucking signs
and megaphones screaming at me, and I'm just like dude,
and it's like, I think this is how like you're
gonna like? This is not how it's done, buddy.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know what I mean, It's like I respect like
the heart behind it. They may think they're doing the
right thing, but like, Bro, that's that's not how you.
You're not going to reach me that way. You're not
going to get me to change that way. Even if
I felt like I wanted to change off for what
you're saying, it's not going to happen through that sit
down with me. Yeah, send me a DMR, talk to
somebody that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I mean, but you're putting out great music. That's about.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I think. I think what they want from me is
the overtness that maybe other artists offer.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Tell them to go protest Sexy Red not you ship bro. Bro.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
We did an event in downtown LA called Glovember. There
was a rave next.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Door to our event, but there are protesting you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I'm like, yo, if you want to come against darkness, right,
go next door.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Everyone's on ecstasy next door.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, So I don't know that.
To me, that's that's overreligious. But we just try to
We try to really live for the Lord and just
be ourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
What was what? What? What kind of was the catalyst
to you finding Christ? And you know giving your life. Hey,
it's a good hazus out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah. Two two two things, two things. One day when
I was sixteen years old, it was a Wednesday night.
I was smoking weed heavy in the middle of a
smoking session. Good Wednesday, Yeah, good good, good weed Wednesday.
My friend was like, hey, Miles, bro, we should go
to church. I'm like, go to church. Hi like Hi,
talking about great time, were talking about go to church.
It's like, Bro, they got the girls of the youth group.
(16:34):
Bro go crazy, like, let's tap in, let's really go
uh high out some girls. And so we went. But
the youth group was closed that night, and so we
went into the main the main sanctuary with all the
older people. So we went in there and then me
never been in a church before. I've never been a
church person. I don't know on the music, I didn't
know anything about it. But in the service, I was
(16:55):
like captivated.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What kind of church was this? Was this a black church?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Black church? I was captivated. Then at the end of
the message, the pastor that was called an altar call,
where you called somebody to the front they want to
accept the Lord. And when I went to the front,
me being the only one that went to the front.
It's like I was uncontrollably like crying my eyes out,
and I literally felt something I never felt before. It
was like a warmth and embrace, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And so that wasn't the weed, Brother, wasn't the weed.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It felt It felt like God took way one high
and gave me annoying that night.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Just so we're clear, the night you accepted God, you
were high.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
That's great, yeah, yeah, but but I was still like
like on the fence about it, even even with that moment.
But two years after that, I was like in a
tug of war for my soul. Real Like my friends
in the streets was like Myles bro, like, why are
you switching up? Then my girlfriend at the time, who's
not my wife, she was like, let's go to church morrow.
Let's really like try to get better with this. And
so on a Saturday night, I'm like, God, if you're real,
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I need you to speak to me in church tomorrow
if you're real. If not, then I'll just live my
own life. I went to Hurst the next day. Out
of nowhere, the guest speaker from Atlanta seize me in
the back. He said, you young man, come here, calls
me out of a whole church, a whole crowded church.
I came to the front. He was like, young man,
I don't know what's going on in your life, but
I feel like your call to do music for God.
(18:18):
God's gonna use you on social media. God's going to
change your life and all of these things. Right, tell
me things about myself. I didn't never talk nobody. He
didn't know I was struggling. He didn't know who He
didn't know who I was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Who was this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
His name is Apostle Hardened. I never met him, No,
no James Harden, but told me that and then that
that was like okay, like I feel like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
This is to Apostle Harden. That guy he's on his ship.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Hey red no cap damn. He was tapped in.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So he was just like he kind of just like
showed you the way, like, oh, this is this is
the right path I need to go on.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I feel like God answered my prayer through him calling
me out to the front.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's nah, I mean I get it. That shit's crazy.
They asked him before and then he called out the
music and the social media and wild and at that
so what year, how long ago?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Is this rather that I was October fourteenth, twenty twelve.
Oh shit, that was twenty twelve. Like I didn't fully
dive into the music at that time, but that's when
I knew eventually.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So from twenty twelve to like twenty eighteen, what are
you doing to make money? You just got a regular job?
What are you So?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I was working at a movie theater at that time,
My Cinemas in Pittsburgh. Then I was working at Willis
Fargo for like four years, then Travis Credit Union.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So you were at the bank.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, I was a little banker.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You're good with math, yeah, but I hated it. I
did not like yo when you guys would like, my
friend manages bank and every time there's like sixty dollars missing.
She's the manager, so she has to go through the
entire day. Sometimes she'll be at the bank until like
eleven o'clock at night trying to track down we're sixty.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Dollars Truma, bro don't even And that's how I got
That's how I got fired from the bank twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, it could be it could be like that, but
but it's like if you can't find where the money's
missing it's on you, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And sometimes it's like somebody goes to the bank and
they and you give them too much money. That's they're
not gonna give it back to you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Sometimes sometimes but most of the time of course not
you would give it back. Presley's working in the hood.
We worked in Antioch. Yeah, all kinds of people.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Shout out to Woody rest in peace. Big tones from
antioc Oh yeah, yeah, Hey, Simbuls from Antioch.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yes he is. Yeah, that long Tree Deer Valley legend
him a young Kurt was really putting on.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But yeah, no, I just so you were you were
just doing the normal shit. So you start taking music
series again at twenty eighteen, yep, yep for Shelly.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So how many I was a youth pastor too during
the time I was working at the bank, so I'm
at the charge like he's young people and stuff too.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
How many?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like, how long before you actually started to like catch
real track should doing this new style of music and
you were like, oh, this is gonna work, like this
might work out, like immediately immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, immediately. It's been it's been a slow burn, but
I had any immediate spark.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, you're also pretty talented. So like a lot of
Christian rappers aren't that talented, you know, from what I've heard,
at least, the only one I can point at is
L Craze.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm gonna put you on some dope ones.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Do you remember a guy named Carmen back in the
day who used to sing on like Channel Towell, on
like the Christian TV. His name was Carmen Carmen, I
don't know, Oh my god. So I been to black
churches many times as my best friends, like very religious,
grew up with him, would go to church with him.
And every time I'd be like the only white kid
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and that motherfucker and I feel like the preacher would
be looking right at me, and I just feel and
I have all these older black ladies dancing and losing
their shit. Yeah, sitting there just shook, like, man, why
do I spend on that at this one's house this weekend?
But there was this but he used to listened to
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Christian music at his house. There's a guy named Carmen,
and then obviously Kirk Franklin, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, Kirk still going crazy to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Apply stunt double.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
As plies five.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well no, no, yeah, plies is history. Yeah, it could
be plies that. Yeah, but no, I mean, like, obviously
your shit is actually dope, so like it's immediately you
saw that it was going to work.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Immediately, I felt like, you know, it was not for
me to dive into it. So I was doing everything
that I could to really try to pop off and
gain some traction. So I was dropping freestyle videos, was
going kind of crazy on Instagram. But I was also
doing every kind of show I could, community show, church show,
even like these awards ceremonies for rappers in the Bay
and so this one is called the non Quota Awards
for the Not Too five area code in Pittsburgh. That
(22:47):
happened in twenty eighteen. I was the only Christian rapper
a part of the show. And in the middle of
my set, while I'm performing, the music cuts out right
as it cuts out. Instead of me panicking being pissed
at the sound man, I just frezed out a hook.
Devil want to run up on me? It's bad. Somebody
recorded it. It went viral on Facebook. The whole theater
went dumb to that joint. And that was my first
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song that really like in California, That's do Yeah, it's
kind of crazy, kind of crazy. Yeah, So that that
like had my schedule going nuts. Like my my tour
schedule was like an engine scroll you have to.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Like so you're doing like concerts, you're doing like church stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Like all of the above. Like so I was throwing
my own shows, but primarily I was getting booked at
conferences at churches and youth groups and all of that.
But it would be lit and I would post the
footage and it's like, you couldn't really tell it's a church.
It looks like it's a lit concert, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So I gotta ask you because I, uh, I was
just listening to a podcast about uh about religion a
little bit. But they were talking about Joe Olstein and
what's the guy with the evil eyes who got the
private jet? Oh uh, the white dude.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, not Kraftlow, it's the white dude.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I know he's talking about that, ye like a real
like he was like Tyler Perry made it so cheap
for me. I had to buy it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I had to buy Yeah, he's he's he's the richest
pastor in the world right now, just for people know
he's worth like one hundred million dollars. He's more rich
than Joelstein, like he's.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Paid because he's like internationally influenced.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Correct anyway, So you know, my main gripe with religion
in general is the I feel like it is easily
manipulated to control poor people. And I feel like, you know,
the whole entire like idea of being a pastor or
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being like a preacher, being somebody who's like a man
of God is like to be selfless. That should be
the idea, you know what I mean. And you know,
I feel like at times we'll see like these preachers
who will fully take advantage of the gig of having
a non non taxable entity that they're a part of, yes,
(25:09):
and you know they use it for their benefit, and
you know it is what it is. But you know,
me and my boy James are just talking and he
was like, it's crazy because he grew up in the church,
and he was like, he's a stand up comedian. He's like,
being a preacher is kind of like being a stand
up comedian. He's like, because you gotta you gotta kind
of like spit your shit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You gotta captivate them.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And then you gotta hopefully you get your own church,
and then otherwise people are doing like there's preachers who
are preaching in like a room like this with chairs
and then you know, eventually they get their own church.
He's like, the thing is is like I just feel
like it's crazy. If like a preacher comes to preach
in like a two thousand dollars suit and then goes
and jumps in like a S five hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They're likely and their church is falling apart.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It ain't even that. It's like, yo, like, isn't that
kind of like not what God would want? Or I'm crazy?
Like Joel Olstein is so rich and my and this
podcast I was listening to was like Joe Olstein such
a great motivational speaker that if he just stepped away
from being a quote unquote preacher and was a motivational
speaker who happened to be Christian, people would look at
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him in like a lot more like a positive way
because he's like very talented. He's a talented a lot
of these guys very uplifting talented guys. But at the
same time, like it's the same guy who like initially
tried to prevent people from sheltering at his church until
he got called out for and then he was like,
oh no, no, no, But that's probably my biggest gripe
with like commercial Christianity is like a lot of the
(26:40):
quote unquote like faces of it to me or like
based on my knowledge of Christianity not very christ like.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
M Yeah, I've definitely, I've definitely seen what you're talking about.
Of course is like a well known thing as some
pastors may have been exposed for those kind of things.
Or I've been at churches to where the doorknobs are missing,
but you have a Bentley, the paint is falling off
of the walls, but you got the friend gatas on.
Like a lot of stuff din't add up for.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Me, none of that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, but for me early on, it's like I had
to realize, like it would be unhealthy for me to
let Christians take me away from Christ. You know what
I'm saying, Like, regardless of what they are doing, God
didn't do this to me. People are flawed, you know
what I'm saying, But but but God is not. So
that's that keeps me like focused, like even though they're
wild'n out sleeping with whoever. You know what I'm saying,
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steal the money from whatever. I know? God is still good.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Would you ever actually like be a preacher? Obviously you
did youth pastoring, but would you ever like, you know,
try to like be like yo, I'm a fucking like
leave music and do that like maybe when you're fifty.
I mean, you know, I won't.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Close the door to it because I'm a preacher now
for real?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you preach, hear music. Yeah, but
you're still an artist. You're not a preacher. So yeah,
you're dope artists who happens to you know like that.
There's a line there.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's like I know how to how to I guess
convinced people of the message at the concerts too. It's like,
all righty to boost it up for the Lord. I mean,
I'll use that voice. But you know what I'm saying,
I hype them up and contract.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
He said, what anybody ever fight at your shows?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Somebody? Somebody somebody ran up on me on stage Christian
Rapper in Long Beach. No, not on Chris or Rapper.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
He tried to press me in the middle of my concert.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
What where was your security? No?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But you but you know what. Security came like ten
seconds after. They probably thought I was a part of
the act because I'll be having a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Of trying to press you in Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, because like somebody was in the crowd like let
the little kids get on stage, and I was kind
of like dismissive a little bit like maybe later on,
later on. And then he was like, but this about
the young people, and he got on stage really try
to like you know in LA. They be like, you
know what I'm saying, that's crazy, But security pulled up
on them. They pulled them in the parking lot. He
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look he started to like like exorcist type energy. He
was like manifested. I'm like, yo, what is going on? Wait?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The dude tried to press you started like he like
fell out and was like, oh I'm saved.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No, kind of like he had a demon in them.
That was great. So that that was the only like
situation that came close to like a confrontation physically. But yeah,
bro was on one. It could have been the ecstasy.
I don't know, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Seen someone get exorcists exercisted?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I said?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That exercise? I think they call it an exercise. You
know a month ago, what a month ago? I've seen
it and see me. Valley tried to see me, Valley, man,
they seen real calm. I might get a spot out there,
you see me value place. I went to Revelations Church
(29:50):
with Pastor Lovy and y'all, I'm telling you, people drive
from all over the country to go to this man's church. Yeah,
he's ministering to the this young lady and she's like
kind of like crying, like Pastor, I need help, I
need help, And he's being encouraging to her. Then all
of a sudden he stops talking to her and talk
to something that's inside her. He was like, come out
(30:11):
of her right now, and she went from to.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Get got the fuck up out.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, Like her eyes was like I'd have been out
and then like come out of her right now. Then
she like melted to the ground. I'm like, oh lord,
it was wild.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You stayed I'd have been all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And that was the first one of the night. It
was like four of them, four x. It was like
four of them on a Thursday night. I'm good man, Yeah,
shout out to the prophet LOGI that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Uh you gotta Obviously your album's out, Uh are you, like,
I know you got a show coming up in Orange County,
but are you doing like a national tour? What's going
on with you right now?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah? We're playing Well, we just came off of a tour.
The first leg across like tour. We was in Canada, Seattle, Portland,
Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, you know what
I'm saying. But we're going to extend that joint and
really the next top for us is this Saturday. We
have our own festival every year in the Bay. It's
called glow Fest, and so this year is going to
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be massive. Is glow really going to be there?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know what I'm kidding, Glowrilla Big Glow got to
come to glow Fest.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I ain't gonnaw. I was hot. I was hot when
she came out because I'm like, dang, like she got
that glow branding on lock, Like, oh yeah she got
it at first.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Our first yeah, glow Cubans and Grubans.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Our festival was called Glowcella at first.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh that's dope. And then you probably got hit with
that season desist.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Coachella did hit us yeah, of course they did. Yeah,
they hit us up.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, they don't play any type of cella, don't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Exactly the word cella. Then like we own we own
the word chella, so you can't use this. And I
changed it to glow Fest and they still like came after.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Us, but no, wait, came after you for glow Fest.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So it's it's it's a whole story, man. We changed
the name of the Instagram from Gloateella to glow Fest,
but we had some fly another year in different parts
of the country, but not like, uh, they shut down
our page because we still had flyers up from last
year that said Glowatella on it. You know what I'm saying.
We tried to make a new page and that one
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was shut down too. Damn they were serious. But now
we're working with Coachella. Shout out the Golden Voice.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know what I'm saying, tried the Golden Voice.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, yeah, are you?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Because I mean obviously that they I think they owned
the Observatory.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah man, so did they do Coachella too? Damn them, motherfuckers.
Glow Fests are rich Golden Voice whatever. You know what
I meant guys are rich too speak prophetic, put it
in the air. Yeah yeah, but who else is dope?
That's a Christian rapper that I should check out.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Oh you to check out somebody named Hovey Hoby hit
a song with Sierra. He's sough, he's more overt, but
the vibes are there.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is that the guy who subbed someone on your song?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
No, not him, not him, he's too holy for that.
Uh and Holy Caleb Caleb Gordon Caleb Gordon's super Fire. Yeah,
probably the next to willly go mainstream with it. Who
who am I?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
John?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Keith John? Keep going crazy here a real rapper, rapper.
We're working on the project together called the West Indies.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You guys are doing like a joint album, like.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A joint joint EP with five songs. West Indies capitalized
on the on the movement and of course La Cree
any mineo Hey, Andy's Dope, Andy Hard And it is
like a perfect example.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Of a guy who's like, you know it, content is
his content, but like he just makes no music. You're
listening to it and you're like, oh, this guy's I
know where he stands on the religious side.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, he's talking about God. You know what I'm saying.
So he's one of our goats, craning Andy, those are
our goats for sure. I mean, this is this a
whole movement. There's too many for me.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Kanye is not a Christian rapper. Goat No, they asked,
you know, he wasn't. He didn't. He win Best Christian
Album of the Year at the Grammy.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
He topped all the charts. He won Best Christian Album.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey Jesus Walks. It's a great record.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That joint is mount Rush Moore of Christmas song.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, look, and he had hell of people singing
about Jesus that would not have otherwise sang about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, but I think I think we can't. We can't
put him up there because like it was short lived.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, Kanye is a flawed man, but
he's you know, He's also got the biggest Christian rap
song of all time.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's the biggest, But is it the best?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
In my opinion?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Was that Oh yeah? The song?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, a song I don't know about No No, No, No,
No No Now. Jesus King album. He great beats shots
and my guy books to be s murdered. The production
on there, but it's just Miss Moors Kanye album in
my opinion, just respectfully, what do you listen to non
Christian rap music in your spare time? Or do you
not want you try to shake that energy?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I'll make sure I don't. I don't dive in too
deep into the rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm definitely tapping.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Because that's probably rub off on you a little, like
some of the energy I.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Mean, but it would be foolish for me to not
to not be tapped.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like who you're listening to? That's like not like who
you bumping? Like who you like? What are you a
fan of? Right now?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Am I bumping? That's not? Oh? Can I say this
on air? I like listening to a lot of underground artists?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
What's that? Because I know what underground is for my day,
which literally underground, like the underground now is like yo,
I like logic.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like logic is definitely not underground and shout out to logic.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
People think Corda is underground, right, Corday is like an
undergroundish artist, but he's still underground. No, But he's like
if he was in if it was ninety nine, he'd
be underground. Common was underground. No, Common don't have one plaque.
That's a crazy thing to say out loud. Common has
much more than one plaque. You gotta relax with that.
(36:10):
No Common was a underground rapper. I literally just told
him to his face. I said, thank you for changing
my life. You're an I never met a backpack underground
rap anyway. The new definition of underground is an underground playboy.
Cardi's underground to an extent. Is he a commercial artist?
(36:31):
Is he commercially successful? Of course not. Have you ever
turned on the fucking radio and her to playbook Cardis
song in the last five years? No, you haven't, because
he's not. He's he's an underground cult artist. No. But
has he ever had a number a top five solo
Billboard record, a top ten solo Billboard record? Of course not.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He hasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
No Roadwave broadwave is not underground. Yeah, but he's making
commercially palatable music.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, So who are listening to I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Think it's crazy about how he's not underground, but he's
selling out arenas or he is underground something Rod waving
him like it's crazy. How you don't have to be
like mainstream, but you could.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like gold Rod number one Records in urban radio, so
I wouldn't consider him underground.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But for me, underground for me is like Zoel Sama.
You know what I'm saying. Yellow Hill Aten.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Hey, Yellow Hills put out some our boy TK who
did his Christian rap song that he has with La
Cra who's recorded and produced right here by our team
here for real.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes, yeah, men, Yellow Hill been talking we're gonna link up.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, y'all was Yellow Hill now he'd be cripp let
me say he'd be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
He really just like, Oh, come to l A. He
l A l A.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
L A is not safe.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
L A is not safe.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's Yellow Hell.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I'm like, do I be going that hard for the Bay? Like?
Am I that Bay? How he is? L A? Is
that that brother?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
LA person alive?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Alive brother? And he'll let you know at all at
all it ain't safe for the toy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Shout out to Jesus anyway, shouts shout to him and
look crazy. They got a dope song out produced.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah that's hard. Yeah, No, Yellow He is underground Yeah
yeah for solely uh HPK get under ground. My favorite
rapper to this day is I Am.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sue shot to Bay Area Pioneer.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Shout out to Sue, we got a record too. Oh
my god, he put me on a record. Uh he's
singing on that joint, you know, talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
What God is stuff him, shot out to Sue.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Man I was probably more more edgy on that than
he was. Yes, shout out time I got him anyone.
You know what I'm saying, But go crazy, though.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You should do it like I already know you already
did not like us freestyle, but you should do like
a not like us. But you're rapping like your God
to the devil.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Oh are you dirty devil?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Or do the euphoria version? That's why you bach ask Satan.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know what I'm saying, Rapping to euphoria is more
difficult than not like us.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Do meet the Grahams, but about the devil. And you're
like wrapping from the perspective of God.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And you journey devil. Understand you got kicked out of heaven.
There you go with a nasal flow.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, throw a little playboard CARDI sliding in there.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh my god, playboy. There. There was a point to
where his music was just like Vibby.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Really now, when he was rocking with a sap and uh,
you know the the Cozy Tapes era and and dilet
and then things just the Red tape what was it
called the Red album?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The Red album?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Whatever it is? That ship was.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
You know, seeing seeing what he did at Rolling Loud
really inspired us to really go harder in our movement.
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He brought some guy looks like he was on Heroin,
the white guy who was always with him, The guy
looks like he's got a serious Heroin problem.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And then they were just like, yeah it was it
was yeah, it was all of that. And so I'm like,
if they could do seemingly satanic stuff on a high level,
I know it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Was seemingly satanic, but are we for sure it was satanic?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
To me?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
They were just screaming and looking looking like they were
if I'm.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Not mistaken to think you had like some logos that
pointed to Satanism up Cross. Yeah, yeah, it's like, what's
the if you're not as satan is, what's the point
of having that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So, is there is in his defense? Is there a
world in which and upside down Cross means anything else?
I just don't know. I'm not hip to the imagery.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know, it's a possibility that it may be, but
from my understanding, it's it could be seen as blasphemy.
It could be seen as fo God. I think, you know, honey,
I think.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
For the purpose of what they do, they just like
to put ship on shirts that they think looks cool.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And it could be for shock values. It could be
for shock value for sure. But you shocking the wrong people, boy.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Are you are?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
You're just straight Christian?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Like? Is that?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Because there's so many different types of factions, you know,
it's like there's like Baptists, there's.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like, yeah, like what what gang am I part of?
Which click do I associate with? It's I'm not a
part of any of them. So they like to call
that non denominational becausemination, yeah, those cliques are denominations.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, seven Day Adventis and I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't subscribe to any of them, not to say
that I won't, but like, I never even understood why
we have to separate ourselves like that. It's like, you
believe in Jesus, you're a Christian er.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know the difference between any of them, Like,
what's a Lutheran compared to a Baptist compared to a
seven day advantage compared. Now, I do know once you
start getting into you know, Hovah's witnesses, they got some
interesting takes and they're very aggressive on the door knocks.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh yeah, one hundred Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Don't play them in the Mormons. You know, they've got
Mormon fans, because that is a wild religion.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
No, I do. Catholic Mormons and Adova witnesses. They believe
that only one hundred, one hundred thousand people get into heaven,
and so they're trying Mormons and Jehovah witnesses.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I think the Mormons, the Mormons believe some much more
crazier shit for the.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Rerect Yeah, I think. I think they believe in like
some aliens, and like I got.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Tons of Mormon homies. I grew up. I went to
high school in Mesa, Arizona, with tons of Mormons. Shout
to them, sweet people. Mitt Romney, you know, shout out
to him, whatever the fuck he's doing with his life.
You perform in Salt Lake City, yet.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's where you got all that. That's Mormon.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Mormon.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You got to pull up and when you get on
the mic, you gotta say choose the right, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Like, yeah, like on some Republican stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, choose the right is CTR. All the Mormons have
the CTR rings, so they call it the right.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Choose the right.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know what it means. I just know it's
something Mormons be saying, choose CTR.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
If I say that it's not some Republican they're gonna
impress me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
No, no, they're not. They're gonna be like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Damn, what you know about the right, homie.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You know what's crazy though? When I was a kid,
like all the Mormons, like, you know, because the Mormons
are like super super nice people. They're really sweet people.
Obviously they're mostly conservative. Yeah, but all the Mormon kids
in school were the ones who were like doing the
real drugs. Like people got caught with heroin or pills.
It was the Mormon kids because I feel like they
(43:09):
was like rebelling against their crib because you know, at home,
may not allowed to drink caffeine, they can't watch the fuck.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's real strict. It's real strict. And that's that's the
danger with religion. It's like if you heavily restrict the
kids at home, they're likely to just do any and
everything when they get a little taste of freedom.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is it safe to say scientology is the wildest religion ever?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Well, I think wild wow may not be the right word. Good.
There's some wild stuff out there, but Scientology.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Out of all the big ones, out of all the big.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Ones, it's it's the most concerning for show.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's pretty. It's pretty. Uh, it's pretty. It's interesting because obviously,
you know, whatever you feel about religion is what it is.
But when you see the people, like I've watched all
the documentaries about too Going Clear and all that, and yo,
the fact that they're able to get people to buy
into this shit.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Like Hubbard was like, first of all, not very successful,
but has more published science fiction works than any author ever.
This dude's entire stick was he was a science fiction
author and then he created religion.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's wild and people believe it. And they'd be on
some gang banging the power trip stuff too.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
And they're like they got the mafia dog. They'd be
like taking fools out, bro. You know what I'm saying
for real?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
And I think if you joined your high level of scientology,
like you can't you can't get out.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
You can't get out, they won't let you out.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Bro. I was seen as one documentary. It was like
a testimoney about you know what they had doing dure.
This lady was like, and they made me clean the
sanctuary with my tongue, Like since had to mop the
floor with her tongue, Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Listen, with any religion, there's the dark side of it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
For sure, so it's not all terrible like that, but
science fiction novel, no.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
No, the scientologies as well. And I honestly, the Mormons
are right behind him. They're like, hey, Joe, Hey, what
about us. We're crazy as fuck too. Shots to the
Mormon self. Anyway. Listen, man, you got a new album
out right now. Yeah, everybody go support it. You're doing
your thing. People can go buy tickets if you're in
the LA area, Orange County area for August thirty first,
and I sold out, Yeah, the Observer.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Toores, I sold out. Yeah, we're gonna pack that joint
out though.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
And anything else you want to talk about before you
get out here.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Hey man, it's grateful to be here, big bro, like real.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sorry if I offended you or got you in trouble?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh you good? Like I enjoyed this. I enjoyed this.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes, I don't you know, like why'd you sit down
with that atheist bastard in La?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
You know, the the the over religious may say something,
but the folks who know what's gonna be like, yo,
you said with Blake cav Brother, you win it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I do want to interview like one of these mega preachers, Hey,
which one, probably Joel because heel I feel like he's
a reasonable guy. I don't think he's like a psycho. No,
I think he's I think he's an entrepreneur, which is
a problem, which is a yeah. But when you watch him,
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you're like, oh, this guy's a talented, motivational speaker. I
understand why people like him. He's a likable guy. I
don't think he's I don't think he's a bad guy.
But it depends on what you think it's a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
But I want to interview one of them, like T D.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Jakes or what you know who you should interview Mike Todd.
Mike Todd sounds like a senator Fromentalist and Michael Todd
he's a young pastor but he's viral all the time. Mike,
he's urban.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I want to interview that dude who they ran up
on him in church and they try to rob him,
and then it came out that he was like ripping
off his in New York.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
He in jail.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
He's in jail. That's what I want to interview. And
he deserved to get robbed, for sure. He was robbing
his people.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I think he was stunned. He had like all the rings.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh my god. See that's the kind of ship that
makes me want to throw up because I'm like, man,
you got your people coming to your church struggling. You're
asking him for money, but you out here dressed like
magic don Juan on Bro Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I think he was like putting sam on people for
not giving him money or something like that. Like do
you that?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do you do the Tide?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I'll tied for sure, Yeah, roll Tide. It'd be tough sometimes,
but I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
What are you supposed to tie? What's the percentage of
the Tide tithe?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
There's a ten percent ten percent of what you get in.
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Like which church you're tithing is a different?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
No, no, I'll give it to the church that I
go to. Okay, yeah, for sure. Nice And it's like,
even if you don't look at the Bible, like, this
is a practical way to support what supports you. You
know what I'm saying, that's right.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Any charity stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Oh charity. Not yet. We're trying to say something up though.
We're gonna do something called christ Like Christmas this year,
just giving away pieces of our brand. We have a
clothing line called christ Like Collection. Is this your Oh yeah,
one of them?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Oh that's fire. You know when you wear that hat,
you give me country vibes, brown vibes.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Hey man, Pittsburg is not It's not a big city's
locy kind of country, even though is it in the Bay.
But we got cows.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We got crops. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
As you know, there's side shows and there's that's Oakland
Richmond side shows.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Hose and broken windows and broken windows. We was going
to do our festival in Oakland at the Fox Theater.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Would have been a bad play. Yeah, you don't want
to do that. You know, all them Christians going out
there getting.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Fucking robbed, getting robbed, all of them.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
No, not like face to face rob, but like come
back outside after a great night watching Miles Minnick and
all of our windows are busted, and my work laptop's missing.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And that happened. That happened in downtown LA, And now
I got to go.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
To the mission and try to find it because some
Mexican dude selling it on the corner.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
It's a yeah, shout out to the bippers man.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
The bippers be pipping man. And in La it's starting
to come over here. Yeah, the culture is keeping bipping
out there. Bru. We don't need it here. We came
out here for a change, for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Man, my car digger breaking in through four times in
Long Beach where I live four times.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, I mean you should probably stop leaving it in
your car.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Please do better. Nothing to be in there.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well leave your windows.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I'm try.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
No, you're right when you down trunk open, that's how
you got to do it.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Oh and for the Tesla, the front got to be up.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
The front got to be up at miles minute. I
appreciate you, brother, You all right? No, man, there it
is fire
It was good. Everybody, some boy, Miles Minic, it takes
me out. On the Bootleg Cab Podcast, Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right man. Bootleg Cab Podcast Special guests in here
Miles Minic, Welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, it's good to be here, man, Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes. So, for people who are not familiar with who
you are, you're from the Bay Area, Yes, sir. And
would you consider yourself a quote unquote Christian rapper?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
A lot of people would. Yeah. I do music about
my life and I live my life for the Lord.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
So how long have you making music?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Making music all together? Maybe like ten years? Doing it
professionally like five and.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The whole time is your like message in the same No.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, for surely not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I grew up in a Bay like doing like you know,
the mob music, the gangster rap, like rolling with like
DV to General, DSB, click like all of them, with
that like get active movement like twenty ten, so.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You were like your content was much more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh for surely yeah. Yeah yeah, but like around twenty eleven,
you know what I'm saying, Like I found I found
the Lord and eventually like surrounding my music over it
to them you know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Did you notice, like, well that was a long time ago. Fuck,
that's I'm sorry. I'm gonna cuss a lot. You please
excuse me, because I can't control it around anyone's children either.
Sometimes my friends bring the kids around. I'll just be
talking and they'd be like yo, and I'm like, hey, man,
don't bring your fucking kid around me. Then respectfully, anyway,
with that being said, I mean you're like, it's a
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long twenty ten and now it's fourteen years. Yeah, you
know it didn't happen overnight for you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, definitely not. And it's like when I became a Christian,
I didn't know if doing music was like acceptable the
way I was doing it, Like I was in the
streets doing aggressive music, and when I thought about doing
that for God, I didn't think that that was acceptable.
And so it took me a minute to get back
into it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So you like took a break from so yeah, and
then you like kind of were like, all right, now
I'm gonna kind of make my music about positivity and yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, And that was like when I started really tapping too.
It taking serious was the beginning of twenty eighteen. So
between twenty eleven twenty eighteen, I'm just like just trying
to figure it out, trying to grow in my character,
integrity and saying, trying to really just become a man,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, you know it's interesting because I feel like if
someone says they're a Christian rapper, they automatically are looked
at with a certain I would say negative stigma and
hip hop. Would you say that's the case.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say maybe in the grand scheme of things,
But for me, that really hasn't been a case, right, Yeah,
And maybe because of the sound that I have and
how I look, whatever the case may be, like, and
maybe because I'm authentically like from.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here right, I mean, listen, you have I told I
told you this off. So I was like, Bro, your
shit is like high fiass Christian music. It's like music
you geld bit of carto and then repent after card.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
To after Yo. Hey, I'll take that, yeah, as long
as they were apinted.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But uh, yeah, you know, because because for me, it's
like there's guys like Shouts of Lacree, who's obviously had
a major deal with Atlantic for I think it was
Atlantic Colombia. I think Combia. Yeah, but he was on
a major label. I don't know if he still is
or not. I don't want to speak about the situation,
but obviously very successful artist. I feel like Lacree was
like he was dope, but he happened to be a
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Christian rapper. And I kind of feel like that's the
key because there's guys who like a quote unquote Christian rappers,
but their music is very it's not very palatable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like for like a general audience.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, Like I feel like I pressed play on your
ship and I was like, oh, this is just like
if I didn't know that, like this is just some
shit to.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, it's like once you realize is Christian, it's too late,
like you already like it, right, you know what I'm saying.
And so that's kind of like the method like putting
the the medicine and the food.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is there any uh? Because obviously is there like a
Christian rap world that you have to kind of penetrate
and get into, Like are there? Like I just do
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's definitely a world.
Are there Christian rap blogs and shit?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like what's the Christian rap academics?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah? Ooh, Christian Rap Academics. Oh okay, proper exl okay.
So that's a popular instagram for Christian rap rap Zilla,
you got ch Promotions. Anda stands for Christian hip Hop
and there's like a plethoro though.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So there's like tons of Christian hip hop artists that
they don't even know there is. It's just the world.
I'm not hip too whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's a subgenre of hip hop, you know what I'm saying.
But people are selling out shows.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, I saw you do it. Listen. It is not
easy to sell. There's so many artists that could not
sell out a quarter of the Novo let alone the
full thing. So that's very, very impressive. And you got
to show coming up to the Observatory too in August.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, August thirty first yep.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, So like you're doing like big venues, Like this
is like a movement that you're doing. So I think
it's dope. Like kudos to you, ma because doing it
your way.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Oh much, love, bro, It's a blessing. You know. I
used to think that I had to rap about a
certain thing a certain way to make any kind of
progress or be successful. But it's like I'm just leaning
to what I feel like is right.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean, at the end of the day, I always
tell people if you got a niche, and I'm not
saying that, like you being a Christian is a niche
because this is your life, like it's who you are, right,
But in hip hop it's a niche. Yeah yeah, And
like you know, with any sort of art form, I
feel like, lean into your niche because it's tribe, yeah
for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. Yeah. And we I feel like I tried found
us though, Like we just started putting on music. Then
I put out a song called Glow and then our
followers would just like organically call my team like, oh,
look at the Glow Team. Look at the glowers. It's
not okay, glow Nation. They'll call them glow Nation. And
then I grew into something bigger than we can imagine.
(05:50):
You feel me. Now we got Glow Festival.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So is that your like your fan base, like your beehive,
my behive, glow Nation is your behive?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, my my Bobby Socks is my rap pack. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So who was your who were your favorite rappers? Just
like coming up like that, you obviously being from the
Bay like, who are some guys who like influenced you?
Who you would take.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The main one for surely forty forty my getto report Card.
That album definitely shaped my childhood. You know. Of course
Mac dre as well. The wolf Pack got my bands a.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
One of the most influential rap groups ever that gets
no credit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Absolutely, and then I feel like what came out of
the wolf Pack is like HBK Gang so.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I would like to point out that a lot
of those beat that the Packs were rapping on us
sounded a lot like Mustard and League of Stars.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That came a little I wasn't gonna say, you know
what I'm saying, must love, must love to muster to everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, no, but I'm just letting you like that the
Bay had a little they had some influence on everybody.
I just had this conversation yesday. I'm like, Yo, the
Bay and Texas get no love when it comes to
who they influenced, Like the Bays influenced everybody and the
Baby and always forgotten. We know it's no, yeah, definitely
know because y'all let everybody know. Trust me, you meet
somebody from the Bank, they'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We got this big chip on our shoulder. You feel me.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But people from the Bear are like people who do CrossFit.
They won't stop telling you about that. Yeah we get it,
we get yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, It's like it's the culture. We're proud of it.
And if nobody gonna talk about it, were gonna talk
about it. Got you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Have you worked with the obviously you're making noise. Have
you worked with any of the other up and coming
art like a guy like Pilo or like you know,
some of the guys who are making John Mexican. I
don't know if you would you work with somebody if
they are not Let's ask that, if they're not aligned
with you spiritually, values wise, would you work with someone?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And we was talking about this yesterday on ruse Line.
So I'm actually about to get in the studio with Pilow,
coming up song. We're gonna make some slaps. I'm in
a studio with l Russell in two days. You know
what I'm saying. And these aren't necessarily Christian artists.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He is not a Christian, you know, and had some nights.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know what I'm saying. But that don't mean we
can't make a song that is palatable for both of
our audiences that doesn't come.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You'll work with Yeah, as long as it's not some
crazy as long as than I. You're not gonna work
with white boy Cardi though.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean now me feel me like the symbolism and stuff,
the people getting possessed during his concerts, we can have
to work on that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I've been I've been to a Cardi show and very
very some vampire member me and it's there and I
was like, what the fuck's happening.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like some vampires.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
No, I just didn't. Dude, was like a seance on stage,
And I'm like, you know, that was the only time
in hip hop and like, you know, I'll be around
some young young ass ship. But if the Cardi ship
had rolled them loud. Yeah, seeing all these it was
this is in Miami, you seeing all these dusty ass,
muddy white kids with beat up forces just fucking just
like it was just like, I'm like this, I don't
(08:47):
get it. Yeah, It's the only hip hop moment in
my life where I looked up and I was like,
I don't know what's happening. Let's go back to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand it either, you know,
shout out to him. Yeah, big, big shout out. Soon
he got a movement behind him, you know what I'm saying,
So maybe one day we could we could top it
up or something.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Do you feel like as somebody who is a Christian
do you feel because I feel like nowadays a lot
of artists they have like cult like followings, and I
feel like there's a lot of kids who kind of
replace like, you know, when I was growing up, but
my parents are growing up. I feel like religion was
a lot more like pushed upon kids and you know,
(09:28):
stuff like that. But nowadays it feels like like artists
and celebrities and are kind of like the new religion
for a lot of these kids.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Do you Yeah, Yeah, Well, so like your question is like,
how do I feel about Yeah, Like, well, Christianity not
being the norm as it was before. I mean, this generation,
they're heavily influenced by what they see on their phones
or like the artists of today. I'm just I'm just
grateful that I found something that's more more meaningful to me.
(09:58):
You know what I'm saying, That kid, that's that lasts
longer than the hype of an artist, You know what
I'm saying, So I'm just trying to encourage people like, fine, fine,
find your your peace, you know what I'm saying. And
my piece is found in Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So do you care like to have non religious people
like come to your party? Like do you want do
you want those people to like be fans?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Or is it like, hey, I got the show because
what's the name of your album? It's like Cali Christ.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Christ like California. So it's like me like if I
didn't know, like if DJHA didn't put me up on
you or Ace didn't call me, if someone sent me
an album and said Christ like California as somebody's gotta
tell you, I'd have been like, well, this shit ain't
for me. I wouldn't even a press play. Now I
pressed play and I was like, oh, this ship is fire,
(10:46):
Like this shit is dope. But it's like I almost
feel it's almost like when Kanye put out Jesus King.
It was my least favorite Kanye album because I felt
like he was pushing something on me and I was like, well,
this ain't for me. You know what I'm saying. I
feel like listening to your music, it doesn't feel like
you're overly like slapping people upside the head with yeah,
(11:09):
but what uh? But the title is the title is
like it's going to like scare some people off before
they even are able to give you a chance.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I can feel that. I can feel that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm not to say that like you care or you
should care because your this is your mission. Yeah, I'm
just from my perspective, I'm like, well, me in this
fool like he's he's he's Jewish. He just did a
he just did a twenty three and me and found
out he's thirty percent Jewish. Yes, he just did the test.
(11:39):
He's Jewish and Mexican straight up. His his his grandma
cheated on his grandpa with the Jewish neighbor. We found
all that. We literally found this all out in the
last twelve months. My producer did one of the DNA
tests for people who can't see him on camera. Now
he does. I told him he's a leading I told
him he's a leaning to it. I said, got you
(11:59):
own it, it's who you are. You got to go
to the bable shop anyway. But I was just saying
like in terms of like we're hip hop fans. So
when I hear when I heard your music, I was like, oh,
this shit is dope. But I think that like the
like you like we said the title. If I was
just some normal rap fan, I might be like, man,
that's some preachy ash Christian shit, like, yeah, how do
(12:20):
you find the because you're obviously what you're doing is
working for you. That's why I'm like, do you care that?
Like that might push normal hip hop fans away or
maybe just turn them off from like trying to discover
what you got.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean maybe I could. I could consider the titles more,
but I'm more so think about them when i'm making
the music more so than i'm titling the song right,
Like with a song like boosted Up, Like that's a
song about God to going harder in your faith. But
when you put that thing on, you get sneeze to it,
squabble to it, you can go crazy to it, and
it's not going to scare them away. And for christ
like California the album, really that was me like blending
(12:57):
my faith with the culture. You know what I'm saying,
because you're gonna get this cross like message, but with
the California sounds stop no, it sound great. Yeah, I
appreciate it bro, But yeah, man, we're just trying to
trying to figure it out as we go. No, I
mean it's working man grateful.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Do they have any Christian rap beefs happening? You know?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yes there is, yes, wow, yes, but a lot of
it is like like on the low, like.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
On the under, people hating on the low.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
On the under you'll be surprised, like how many unreleased
Christian disc songs you will.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Find it's very Unchristian like.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No for really, that's why they don't put it out. Wow,
that's why they don't release it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You and the Craig got beef. It started the Kendrick verse.
Drake things sounds. I know, they're not like us freestyle.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Right, so did so did uh? So.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm just curious here because Christian rappers beefing with each
other just feels it just feels it feels like an oxymoron.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But you know what people have, You know what, people
tend to use my songs to subliminately dis other people
on them.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh so you have songs with features where other guys.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Like, why you gotta do that? All by soul? Like
they don't drop names, but it's like you're clearly talking
about so and so on my song.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's like, when you hear that, do you send them
a text and say ww JD. Jesus wouldn't diss somebody
on my song, don't sub somebody on my shit?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Hey hey, but but you will be told Jesus was
low key dissing a lot of people in a Bible.
Satan for sure, if you look at it, you don't
say the overreligious folks.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Here was smoke for Satan and the overreligious folks.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And the over religious.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you think overreligious people are a problem?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah? What would you just find is overreligious?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay? Okay, I think I think. I think it's a
good thing to really break down. So an example of
somebody being overreligious is, let's say the protesters that come
to my events. We get protested a lot by certain
religious groups that say what you're doing you satanic? Is demonic.
God doesn't approve trust me.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I walk by them all the time. I go to
wrestling shows, and these guys are they got fucking signs
and megaphones screaming at me, and I'm just like dude,
and it's like, I think this is how like you're
gonna like? This is not how it's done, buddy.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know what I mean, It's like I respect like
the heart behind it. They may think they're doing the
right thing, but like, Bro, that's that's not how you.
You're not going to reach me that way. You're not
going to get me to change that way. Even if
I felt like I wanted to change off for what
you're saying, it's not going to happen through that sit
down with me. Yeah, send me a DMR, talk to
somebody that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I mean, but you're putting out great music. That's about.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I think. I think what they want from me is
the overtness that maybe other artists offer.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Tell them to go protest Sexy Red not you ship bro. Bro.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
We did an event in downtown LA called Glovember. There
was a rave next.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Door to our event, but there are protesting you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I'm like, yo, if you want to come against darkness, right,
go next door.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Everyone's on ecstasy next door.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, So I don't know that.
To me, that's that's overreligious. But we just try to
We try to really live for the Lord and just
be ourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
What was what? What? What kind of was the catalyst
to you finding Christ? And you know giving your life. Hey,
it's a good hazus out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah. Two two two things, two things. One day when
I was sixteen years old, it was a Wednesday night.
I was smoking weed heavy in the middle of a
smoking session. Good Wednesday, Yeah, good good, good weed Wednesday.
My friend was like, hey, Miles, bro, we should go
to church. I'm like, go to church. Hi like Hi,
talking about great time, were talking about go to church.
It's like, Bro, they got the girls of the youth group.
(16:34):
Bro go crazy, like, let's tap in, let's really go
uh high out some girls. And so we went. But
the youth group was closed that night, and so we
went into the main the main sanctuary with all the
older people. So we went in there and then me
never been in a church before. I've never been a
church person. I don't know on the music, I didn't
know anything about it. But in the service, I was
(16:55):
like captivated.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What kind of church was this? Was this a black church?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Black church? I was captivated. Then at the end of
the message, the pastor that was called an altar call,
where you called somebody to the front they want to
accept the Lord. And when I went to the front,
me being the only one that went to the front.
It's like I was uncontrollably like crying my eyes out,
and I literally felt something I never felt before. It
was like a warmth and embrace, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And so that wasn't the weed, Brother, wasn't the weed.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It felt It felt like God took way one high
and gave me annoying that night.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Just so we're clear, the night you accepted God, you
were high.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
That's great, yeah, yeah, but but I was still like
like on the fence about it, even even with that moment.
But two years after that, I was like in a
tug of war for my soul. Real Like my friends
in the streets was like Myles bro, like, why are
you switching up? Then my girlfriend at the time, who's
not my wife, she was like, let's go to church morrow.
Let's really like try to get better with this. And
so on a Saturday night, I'm like, God, if you're real,
(17:56):
I need you to speak to me in church tomorrow
if you're real. If not, then I'll just live my
own life. I went to Hurst the next day. Out
of nowhere, the guest speaker from Atlanta seize me in
the back. He said, you young man, come here, calls
me out of a whole church, a whole crowded church.
I came to the front. He was like, young man,
I don't know what's going on in your life, but
I feel like your call to do music for God.
(18:18):
God's gonna use you on social media. God's going to
change your life and all of these things. Right, tell
me things about myself. I didn't never talk nobody. He
didn't know I was struggling. He didn't know who He
didn't know who I was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Who was this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
His name is Apostle Hardened. I never met him, No,
no James Harden, but told me that and then that
that was like okay, like I feel like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
This is to Apostle Harden. That guy he's on his ship.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Hey red no cap damn. He was tapped in.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So he was just like he kind of just like
showed you the way, like, oh, this is this is
the right path I need to go on.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I feel like God answered my prayer through him calling
me out to the front.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's nah, I mean I get it. That shit's crazy.
They asked him before and then he called out the
music and the social media and wild and at that
so what year, how long ago?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Is this rather that I was October fourteenth, twenty twelve.
Oh shit, that was twenty twelve. Like I didn't fully
dive into the music at that time, but that's when
I knew eventually.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So from twenty twelve to like twenty eighteen, what are
you doing to make money? You just got a regular job?
What are you So?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I was working at a movie theater at that time,
My Cinemas in Pittsburgh. Then I was working at Willis
Fargo for like four years, then Travis Credit Union.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So you were at the bank.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, I was a little banker.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You're good with math, yeah, but I hated it. I
did not like yo when you guys would like, my
friend manages bank and every time there's like sixty dollars missing.
She's the manager, so she has to go through the
entire day. Sometimes she'll be at the bank until like
eleven o'clock at night trying to track down we're sixty.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Dollars Truma, bro don't even And that's how I got
That's how I got fired from the bank twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, it could be it could be like that, but
but it's like if you can't find where the money's
missing it's on you, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And sometimes it's like somebody goes to the bank and
they and you give them too much money. That's they're
not gonna give it back to you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Sometimes sometimes but most of the time of course not
you would give it back. Presley's working in the hood.
We worked in Antioch. Yeah, all kinds of people.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Shout out to Woody rest in peace. Big tones from
antioc Oh yeah, yeah, Hey, Simbuls from Antioch.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yes he is. Yeah, that long Tree Deer Valley legend
him a young Kurt was really putting on.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But yeah, no, I just so you were you were
just doing the normal shit. So you start taking music
series again at twenty eighteen, yep, yep for Shelly.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So how many I was a youth pastor too during
the time I was working at the bank, so I'm
at the charge like he's young people and stuff too.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
How many?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like, how long before you actually started to like catch
real track should doing this new style of music and
you were like, oh, this is gonna work, like this
might work out, like immediately immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, immediately. It's been it's been a slow burn, but
I had any immediate spark.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, you're also pretty talented. So like a lot of
Christian rappers aren't that talented, you know, from what I've heard,
at least, the only one I can point at is
L Craze.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm gonna put you on some dope ones.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Do you remember a guy named Carmen back in the
day who used to sing on like Channel Towell, on
like the Christian TV. His name was Carmen Carmen, I
don't know, Oh my god. So I been to black
churches many times as my best friends, like very religious,
grew up with him, would go to church with him.
And every time I'd be like the only white kid
(21:42):
and that motherfucker and I feel like the preacher would
be looking right at me, and I just feel and
I have all these older black ladies dancing and losing
their shit. Yeah, sitting there just shook, like, man, why
do I spend on that at this one's house this weekend?
But there was this but he used to listened to
(22:04):
Christian music at his house. There's a guy named Carmen,
and then obviously Kirk Franklin, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, Kirk still going crazy to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Apply stunt double.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
As plies five.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well no, no, yeah, plies is history. Yeah, it could
be plies that. Yeah, but no, I mean, like, obviously
your shit is actually dope, so like it's immediately you
saw that it was going to work.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Immediately, I felt like, you know, it was not for
me to dive into it. So I was doing everything
that I could to really try to pop off and
gain some traction. So I was dropping freestyle videos, was
going kind of crazy on Instagram. But I was also
doing every kind of show I could, community show, church show,
even like these awards ceremonies for rappers in the Bay
and so this one is called the non Quota Awards
for the Not Too five area code in Pittsburgh. That
(22:47):
happened in twenty eighteen. I was the only Christian rapper
a part of the show. And in the middle of
my set, while I'm performing, the music cuts out right
as it cuts out. Instead of me panicking being pissed
at the sound man, I just frezed out a hook.
Devil want to run up on me? It's bad. Somebody
recorded it. It went viral on Facebook. The whole theater
went dumb to that joint. And that was my first
(23:09):
song that really like in California, That's do Yeah, it's
kind of crazy, kind of crazy. Yeah, So that that
like had my schedule going nuts. Like my my tour
schedule was like an engine scroll you have to.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Like so you're doing like concerts, you're doing like church stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Like all of the above. Like so I was throwing
my own shows, but primarily I was getting booked at
conferences at churches and youth groups and all of that.
But it would be lit and I would post the
footage and it's like, you couldn't really tell it's a church.
It looks like it's a lit concert, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So I gotta ask you because I, uh, I was
just listening to a podcast about uh about religion a
little bit. But they were talking about Joe Olstein and
what's the guy with the evil eyes who got the
private jet? Oh uh, the white dude.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, not Kraftlow, it's the white dude.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I know he's talking about that, ye like a real
like he was like Tyler Perry made it so cheap
for me. I had to buy it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I had to buy Yeah, he's he's he's the richest
pastor in the world right now, just for people know
he's worth like one hundred million dollars. He's more rich
than Joelstein, like he's.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Paid because he's like internationally influenced.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Correct anyway, So you know, my main gripe with religion
in general is the I feel like it is easily
manipulated to control poor people. And I feel like, you know,
the whole entire like idea of being a pastor or
(24:43):
being like a preacher, being somebody who's like a man
of God is like to be selfless. That should be
the idea, you know what I mean. And you know,
I feel like at times we'll see like these preachers
who will fully take advantage of the gig of having
a non non taxable entity that they're a part of, yes,
(25:09):
and you know they use it for their benefit, and
you know it is what it is. But you know,
me and my boy James are just talking and he
was like, it's crazy because he grew up in the church,
and he was like, he's a stand up comedian. He's like,
being a preacher is kind of like being a stand
up comedian. He's like, because you gotta you gotta kind
of like spit your shit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You gotta captivate them.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And then you gotta hopefully you get your own church,
and then otherwise people are doing like there's preachers who
are preaching in like a room like this with chairs
and then you know, eventually they get their own church.
He's like, the thing is is like I just feel
like it's crazy. If like a preacher comes to preach
in like a two thousand dollars suit and then goes
and jumps in like a S five hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They're likely and their church is falling apart.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It ain't even that. It's like, yo, like, isn't that
kind of like not what God would want? Or I'm crazy?
Like Joel Olstein is so rich and my and this
podcast I was listening to was like Joe Olstein such
a great motivational speaker that if he just stepped away
from being a quote unquote preacher and was a motivational
speaker who happened to be Christian, people would look at
(26:16):
him in like a lot more like a positive way
because he's like very talented. He's a talented a lot
of these guys very uplifting talented guys. But at the
same time, like it's the same guy who like initially
tried to prevent people from sheltering at his church until
he got called out for and then he was like,
oh no, no, no, But that's probably my biggest gripe
with like commercial Christianity is like a lot of the
(26:40):
quote unquote like faces of it to me or like
based on my knowledge of Christianity not very christ like.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
M Yeah, I've definitely, I've definitely seen what you're talking about.
Of course is like a well known thing as some
pastors may have been exposed for those kind of things.
Or I've been at churches to where the doorknobs are missing,
but you have a Bentley, the paint is falling off
of the walls, but you got the friend gatas on.
Like a lot of stuff din't add up for.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Me, none of that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, but for me early on, it's like I had
to realize, like it would be unhealthy for me to
let Christians take me away from Christ. You know what
I'm saying, Like, regardless of what they are doing, God
didn't do this to me. People are flawed, you know
what I'm saying, But but but God is not. So
that's that keeps me like focused, like even though they're
wild'n out sleeping with whoever. You know what I'm saying,
(27:30):
steal the money from whatever. I know? God is still good.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Would you ever actually like be a preacher? Obviously you
did youth pastoring, but would you ever like, you know,
try to like be like yo, I'm a fucking like
leave music and do that like maybe when you're fifty.
I mean, you know, I won't.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Close the door to it because I'm a preacher now
for real?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you preach, hear music. Yeah, but
you're still an artist. You're not a preacher. So yeah,
you're dope artists who happens to you know like that.
There's a line there.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's like I know how to how to I guess
convinced people of the message at the concerts too. It's like,
all righty to boost it up for the Lord. I mean,
I'll use that voice. But you know what I'm saying,
I hype them up and contract.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
He said, what anybody ever fight at your shows?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Somebody? Somebody somebody ran up on me on stage Christian
Rapper in Long Beach. No, not on Chris or Rapper.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
He tried to press me in the middle of my concert.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
What where was your security? No?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But you but you know what. Security came like ten
seconds after. They probably thought I was a part of
the act because I'll be having a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Of trying to press you in Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, because like somebody was in the crowd like let
the little kids get on stage, and I was kind
of like dismissive a little bit like maybe later on,
later on. And then he was like, but this about
the young people, and he got on stage really try
to like you know in LA. They be like, you
know what I'm saying, that's crazy, But security pulled up
on them. They pulled them in the parking lot. He
(28:58):
look he started to like like exorcist type energy. He
was like manifested. I'm like, yo, what is going on? Wait?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The dude tried to press you started like he like
fell out and was like, oh I'm saved.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No, kind of like he had a demon in them.
That was great. So that that was the only like
situation that came close to like a confrontation physically. But yeah,
bro was on one. It could have been the ecstasy.
I don't know, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Seen someone get exorcists exercisted?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I said?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That exercise? I think they call it an exercise. You
know a month ago, what a month ago? I've seen
it and see me. Valley tried to see me, Valley, man,
they seen real calm. I might get a spot out there,
you see me value place. I went to Revelations Church
(29:50):
with Pastor Lovy and y'all, I'm telling you, people drive
from all over the country to go to this man's church. Yeah,
he's ministering to the this young lady and she's like
kind of like crying, like Pastor, I need help, I
need help, And he's being encouraging to her. Then all
of a sudden he stops talking to her and talk
to something that's inside her. He was like, come out
(30:11):
of her right now, and she went from to.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Get got the fuck up out.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, Like her eyes was like I'd have been out
and then like come out of her right now. Then
she like melted to the ground. I'm like, oh lord,
it was wild.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You stayed I'd have been all right, y'all.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And that was the first one of the night. It
was like four of them, four x. It was like
four of them on a Thursday night. I'm good man, Yeah,
shout out to the prophet LOGI that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Uh you gotta Obviously your album's out, Uh are you, like,
I know you got a show coming up in Orange County,
but are you doing like a national tour? What's going
on with you right now?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah? We're playing Well, we just came off of a tour.
The first leg across like tour. We was in Canada, Seattle, Portland,
Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, you know what
I'm saying. But we're going to extend that joint and
really the next top for us is this Saturday. We
have our own festival every year in the Bay. It's
called glow Fest, and so this year is going to
(31:18):
be massive. Is glow really going to be there?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know what I'm kidding, Glowrilla Big Glow got to
come to glow Fest.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I ain't gonnaw. I was hot. I was hot when
she came out because I'm like, dang, like she got
that glow branding on lock, Like, oh yeah she got
it at first.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Our first yeah, glow Cubans and Grubans.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Our festival was called Glowcella at first.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh that's dope. And then you probably got hit with
that season desist.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Coachella did hit us yeah, of course they did. Yeah,
they hit us up.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, they don't play any type of cella, don't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Exactly the word cella. Then like we own we own
the word chella, so you can't use this. And I
changed it to glow Fest and they still like came after.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Us, but no, wait, came after you for glow Fest.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So it's it's it's a whole story, man. We changed
the name of the Instagram from Gloateella to glow Fest,
but we had some fly another year in different parts
of the country, but not like, uh, they shut down
our page because we still had flyers up from last
year that said Glowatella on it. You know what I'm saying.
We tried to make a new page and that one
(32:22):
was shut down too. Damn they were serious. But now
we're working with Coachella. Shout out the Golden Voice.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know what I'm saying, tried the Golden Voice.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, yeah, are you?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Because I mean obviously that they I think they owned
the Observatory.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah man, so did they do Coachella too? Damn them, motherfuckers.
Glow Fests are rich Golden Voice whatever. You know what
I meant guys are rich too speak prophetic, put it
in the air. Yeah yeah, but who else is dope?
That's a Christian rapper that I should check out.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Oh you to check out somebody named Hovey Hoby hit
a song with Sierra. He's sough, he's more overt, but
the vibes are there.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Is that the guy who subbed someone on your song?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
No, not him, not him, he's too holy for that.
Uh and Holy Caleb Caleb Gordon Caleb Gordon's super Fire. Yeah,
probably the next to willly go mainstream with it. Who
who am I?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
John?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Keith John? Keep going crazy here a real rapper, rapper.
We're working on the project together called the West Indies.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You guys are doing like a joint album, like.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A joint joint EP with five songs. West Indies capitalized
on the on the movement and of course La Cree
any mineo Hey, Andy's Dope, Andy Hard And it is
like a perfect example.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Of a guy who's like, you know it, content is
his content, but like he just makes no music. You're
listening to it and you're like, oh, this guy's I
know where he stands on the religious side.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, he's talking about God. You know what I'm saying.
So he's one of our goats, craning Andy, those are
our goats for sure. I mean, this is this a
whole movement. There's too many for me.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Kanye is not a Christian rapper. Goat No, they asked,
you know, he wasn't. He didn't. He win Best Christian
Album of the Year at the Grammy.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
He topped all the charts. He won Best Christian Album.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey Jesus Walks. It's a great record.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That joint is mount Rush Moore of Christmas song.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, look, and he had hell of people singing
about Jesus that would not have otherwise sang about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, but I think I think we can't. We can't
put him up there because like it was short lived.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, Kanye is a flawed man, but
he's you know, He's also got the biggest Christian rap
song of all time.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's the biggest, But is it the best?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
In my opinion?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Was that Oh yeah? The song?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, a song I don't know about No No, No, No,
No No Now. Jesus King album. He great beats shots
and my guy books to be s murdered. The production
on there, but it's just Miss Moors Kanye album in
my opinion, just respectfully, what do you listen to non
Christian rap music in your spare time? Or do you
not want you try to shake that energy?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I'll make sure I don't. I don't dive in too
deep into the rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm definitely tapping.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Because that's probably rub off on you a little, like
some of the energy I.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Mean, but it would be foolish for me to not
to not be tapped.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like who you're listening to? That's like not like who
you bumping? Like who you like? What are you a
fan of? Right now?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Am I bumping? That's not? Oh? Can I say this
on air? I like listening to a lot of underground artists?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
What's that? Because I know what underground is for my day,
which literally underground, like the underground now is like yo,
I like logic.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like logic is definitely not underground and shout out to logic.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
People think Corda is underground, right, Corday is like an
undergroundish artist, but he's still underground. No, But he's like
if he was in if it was ninety nine, he'd
be underground. Common was underground. No, Common don't have one plaque.
That's a crazy thing to say out loud. Common has
much more than one plaque. You gotta relax with that.
(36:10):
No Common was a underground rapper. I literally just told
him to his face. I said, thank you for changing
my life. You're an I never met a backpack underground
rap anyway. The new definition of underground is an underground playboy.
Cardi's underground to an extent. Is he a commercial artist?
(36:31):
Is he commercially successful? Of course not. Have you ever
turned on the fucking radio and her to playbook Cardis
song in the last five years? No, you haven't, because
he's not. He's he's an underground cult artist. No. But
has he ever had a number a top five solo
Billboard record, a top ten solo Billboard record? Of course not.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He hasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
No Roadwave broadwave is not underground. Yeah, but he's making
commercially palatable music.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, So who are listening to I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Think it's crazy about how he's not underground, but he's
selling out arenas or he is underground something Rod waving
him like it's crazy. How you don't have to be
like mainstream, but you could.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like gold Rod number one Records in urban radio, so
I wouldn't consider him underground.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But for me, underground for me is like Zoel Sama.
You know what I'm saying. Yellow Hill Aten.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Hey, Yellow Hills put out some our boy TK who
did his Christian rap song that he has with La
Cra who's recorded and produced right here by our team
here for real.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes, yeah, men, Yellow Hill been talking we're gonna link up.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, y'all was Yellow Hill now he'd be cripp let
me say he'd be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
He really just like, Oh, come to l A. He
l A l A.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
L A is not safe.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
L A is not safe.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's Yellow Hell.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I'm like, do I be going that hard for the Bay? Like?
Am I that Bay? How he is? L A? Is
that that brother?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
LA person alive?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Alive brother? And he'll let you know at all at
all it ain't safe for the toy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Shout out to Jesus anyway, shouts shout to him and
look crazy. They got a dope song out produced.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah that's hard. Yeah, No, Yellow He is underground Yeah
yeah for solely uh HPK get under ground. My favorite
rapper to this day is I Am.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sue shot to Bay Area Pioneer.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Shout out to Sue, we got a record too. Oh
my god, he put me on a record. Uh he's
singing on that joint, you know, talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
What God is stuff him, shot out to Sue.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Man I was probably more more edgy on that than
he was. Yes, shout out time I got him anyone.
You know what I'm saying, But go crazy, though.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You should do it like I already know you already
did not like us freestyle, but you should do like
a not like us. But you're rapping like your God
to the devil.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Oh are you dirty devil?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Or do the euphoria version? That's why you bach ask Satan.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know what I'm saying, Rapping to euphoria is more
difficult than not like us.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Do meet the Grahams, but about the devil. And you're
like wrapping from the perspective of God.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And you journey devil. Understand you got kicked out of heaven.
There you go with a nasal flow.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, throw a little playboard CARDI sliding in there.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh my god, playboy. There. There was a point to
where his music was just like Vibby.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Really now, when he was rocking with a sap and uh,
you know the the Cozy Tapes era and and dilet
and then things just the Red tape what was it
called the Red album?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The Red album?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Whatever it is? That ship was.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
You know, seeing seeing what he did at Rolling Loud
really inspired us to really go harder in our movement.
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He brought some guy looks like he was on Heroin,
the white guy who was always with him, The guy
looks like he's got a serious Heroin problem.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And then they were just like, yeah it was it
was yeah, it was all of that. And so I'm like,
if they could do seemingly satanic stuff on a high level,
I know it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Was seemingly satanic, but are we for sure it was satanic?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
To me?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
They were just screaming and looking looking like they were
if I'm.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Not mistaken to think you had like some logos that
pointed to Satanism up Cross. Yeah, yeah, it's like, what's
the if you're not as satan is, what's the point
of having that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So, is there is in his defense? Is there a
world in which and upside down Cross means anything else?
I just don't know. I'm not hip to the imagery.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know, it's a possibility that it may be, but
from my understanding, it's it could be seen as blasphemy.
It could be seen as fo God. I think, you know, honey,
I think.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
For the purpose of what they do, they just like
to put ship on shirts that they think looks cool.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And it could be for shock values. It could be
for shock value for sure. But you shocking the wrong people, boy.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Are you are?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
You're just straight Christian?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Like? Is that?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Because there's so many different types of factions, you know,
it's like there's like Baptists, there's.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like, yeah, like what what gang am I part of?
Which click do I associate with? It's I'm not a
part of any of them. So they like to call
that non denominational becausemination, yeah, those cliques are denominations.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, seven Day Adventis and I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't subscribe to any of them, not to say
that I won't, but like, I never even understood why
we have to separate ourselves like that. It's like, you
believe in Jesus, you're a Christian er.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know the difference between any of them, Like,
what's a Lutheran compared to a Baptist compared to a
seven day advantage compared. Now, I do know once you
start getting into you know, Hovah's witnesses, they got some
interesting takes and they're very aggressive on the door knocks.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh yeah, one hundred Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Don't play them in the Mormons. You know, they've got
Mormon fans, because that is a wild religion.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
No, I do. Catholic Mormons and Adova witnesses. They believe
that only one hundred, one hundred thousand people get into heaven,
and so they're trying Mormons and Jehovah witnesses.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I think the Mormons, the Mormons believe some much more
crazier shit for the.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Rerect Yeah, I think. I think they believe in like
some aliens, and like I got.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Tons of Mormon homies. I grew up. I went to
high school in Mesa, Arizona, with tons of Mormons. Shout
to them, sweet people. Mitt Romney, you know, shout out
to him, whatever the fuck he's doing with his life.
You perform in Salt Lake City, yet.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's where you got all that. That's Mormon.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Mormon.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You got to pull up and when you get on
the mic, you gotta say choose the right, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Like, yeah, like on some Republican stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No, choose the right is CTR. All the Mormons have
the CTR rings, so they call it the right.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Choose the right.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know what it means. I just know it's
something Mormons be saying, choose CTR.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
If I say that it's not some Republican they're gonna
impress me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
No, no, they're not. They're gonna be like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Damn, what you know about the right, homie.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You know what's crazy though? When I was a kid,
like all the Mormons, like, you know, because the Mormons
are like super super nice people. They're really sweet people.
Obviously they're mostly conservative. Yeah, but all the Mormon kids
in school were the ones who were like doing the
real drugs. Like people got caught with heroin or pills.
It was the Mormon kids because I feel like they
(43:09):
was like rebelling against their crib because you know, at home,
may not allowed to drink caffeine, they can't watch the fuck.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's real strict. It's real strict. And that's that's the
danger with religion. It's like if you heavily restrict the
kids at home, they're likely to just do any and
everything when they get a little taste of freedom.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is it safe to say scientology is the wildest religion ever?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Well, I think wild wow may not be the right word. Good.
There's some wild stuff out there, but Scientology.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Out of all the big ones, out of all the big.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Ones, it's it's the most concerning for show.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's pretty. It's pretty. Uh, it's pretty. It's interesting because obviously,
you know, whatever you feel about religion is what it is.
But when you see the people, like I've watched all
the documentaries about too Going Clear and all that, and yo,
the fact that they're able to get people to buy
into this shit.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Like Hubbard was like, first of all, not very successful,
but has more published science fiction works than any author ever.
This dude's entire stick was he was a science fiction
author and then he created religion.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's wild and people believe it. And they'd be on
some gang banging the power trip stuff too.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
And they're like they got the mafia dog. They'd be
like taking fools out, bro. You know what I'm saying
for real?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
And I think if you joined your high level of scientology,
like you can't you can't get out.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
You can't get out, they won't let you out.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Bro. I was seen as one documentary. It was like
a testimoney about you know what they had doing dure.
This lady was like, and they made me clean the
sanctuary with my tongue, Like since had to mop the
floor with her tongue, Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Listen, with any religion, there's the dark side of it.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
For sure, so it's not all terrible like that, but
science fiction novel, no.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
No, the scientologies as well. And I honestly, the Mormons
are right behind him. They're like, hey, Joe, Hey, what
about us. We're crazy as fuck too. Shots to the
Mormon self. Anyway. Listen, man, you got a new album
out right now. Yeah, everybody go support it. You're doing
your thing. People can go buy tickets if you're in
the LA area, Orange County area for August thirty first,
and I sold out, Yeah, the Observer.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Toores, I sold out. Yeah, we're gonna pack that joint
out though.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
And anything else you want to talk about before you
get out here.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Hey man, it's grateful to be here, big bro, like real.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sorry if I offended you or got you in trouble?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh you good? Like I enjoyed this. I enjoyed this.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes, I don't you know, like why'd you sit down
with that atheist bastard in La?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
You know, the the the over religious may say something,
but the folks who know what's gonna be like, yo,
you said with Blake cav Brother, you win it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I do want to interview like one of these mega preachers, Hey,
which one, probably Joel because heel I feel like he's
a reasonable guy. I don't think he's like a psycho. No,
I think he's I think he's an entrepreneur, which is
a problem, which is a yeah. But when you watch him,
(46:07):
you're like, oh, this guy's a talented, motivational speaker. I
understand why people like him. He's a likable guy. I
don't think he's I don't think he's a bad guy.
But it depends on what you think it's a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
But I want to interview one of them, like T D.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Jakes or what you know who you should interview Mike Todd.
Mike Todd sounds like a senator Fromentalist and Michael Todd
he's a young pastor but he's viral all the time. Mike,
he's urban.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I want to interview that dude who they ran up
on him in church and they try to rob him,
and then it came out that he was like ripping
off his in New York.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
He in jail.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
He's in jail. That's what I want to interview. And
he deserved to get robbed, for sure. He was robbing
his people.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I think he was stunned. He had like all the rings.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Oh my god. See that's the kind of ship that
makes me want to throw up because I'm like, man,
you got your people coming to your church struggling. You're
asking him for money, but you out here dressed like
magic don Juan on Bro Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I think he was like putting sam on people for
not giving him money or something like that. Like do
you that?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do you do the Tide?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I'll tied for sure, Yeah, roll Tide. It'd be tough sometimes,
but I'm blessed.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
What are you supposed to tie? What's the percentage of
the Tide tithe?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
There's a ten percent ten percent of what you get in.
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Like which church you're tithing is a different?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
No, no, I'll give it to the church that I
go to. Okay, yeah, for sure. Nice And it's like,
even if you don't look at the Bible, like, this
is a practical way to support what supports you. You
know what I'm saying, that's right.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Any charity stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Oh charity. Not yet. We're trying to say something up though.
We're gonna do something called christ Like Christmas this year,
just giving away pieces of our brand. We have a
clothing line called christ Like Collection. Is this your Oh yeah,
one of them?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Oh that's fire. You know when you wear that hat,
you give me country vibes, brown vibes.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Hey man, Pittsburg is not It's not a big city's
locy kind of country, even though is it in the Bay.
But we got cows.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We got crops. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
As you know, there's side shows and there's that's Oakland
Richmond side shows.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Hose and broken windows and broken windows. We was going
to do our festival in Oakland at the Fox Theater.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Would have been a bad play. Yeah, you don't want
to do that. You know, all them Christians going out
there getting.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Fucking robbed, getting robbed, all of them.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
No, not like face to face rob, but like come
back outside after a great night watching Miles Minnick and
all of our windows are busted, and my work laptop's missing.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And that happened. That happened in downtown LA, And now
I got to go.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
To the mission and try to find it because some
Mexican dude selling it on the corner.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
It's a yeah, shout out to the bippers man.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
The bippers be pipping man. And in La it's starting
to come over here. Yeah, the culture is keeping bipping
out there. Bru. We don't need it here. We came
out here for a change, for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Man, my car digger breaking in through four times in
Long Beach where I live four times.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, I mean you should probably stop leaving it in
your car.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Please do better. Nothing to be in there.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well leave your windows.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I'm try.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
No, you're right when you down trunk open, that's how
you got to do it.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Oh and for the Tesla, the front got to be up.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
The front got to be up at miles minute. I
appreciate you, brother, You all right? No, man, there it
is fire
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