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Special guests here there in l A. They got to
sold out show tonight with Pat Devuh the Cool Kids?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What what Chuck English? Yeah, very very influential, legendary fellas Man.
New album dropped this year. Uh what what was it
about the timing right now? Where you guys are like, yo,
let's let's get in. Let's kind of bring back this
classic cool Kids flavor.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Well, right after COVID, we did what we thought was
like our coldest album. It was called Before She Got Weird,
and then she got Weird. We didn't really get to
tour that one. I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Was outside still she got weirder after that. So in that,
in that.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Circumforts of what we were doing gave it's an opportunity
to kind of see where the world was, because, you know,
unless you got your algorithm tuned to us, there's a
lot of people that didn't know that we were still working.
I don't know how the internet work like that, you
got all the information in the.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
World and it don't. Don't you like it's weird because
it's like it's unless the algorithm is feeding it to you.
It's like you really damn you.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Can miss It's it's harder to find now than it
was when you had to search for it. It's like
if you don't have it on your algorithm, you know, uh,
day by day you gotta go dig for the ship
and you might not even find it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Now, it might not even find it's people that didn't
even know that's close to me. And then you know,
we had a show here and then looked up and
sold out. So it's like, to answer your question is
like I knew things was starting to like pick back
up and people want to pick and choose from what
they like now instead of everything being the mainstream or
you know, what's on rap caviar and all that. So
(02:58):
it's kind of like stay low key for and then uh,
with this particular one, you know the relationship we got
with a track and Fools Gold.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
In New York.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, we went down to Houston did a whole
album with Manny Fresh, but just like you know, thinking quick,
I was like, can't raw dog and Manny Fresh album, Like,
let's let's build this back up, build this back out,
you know, Like, I know, people have the ideas of
the error we brought in and you know what came
(03:32):
with that. But you know we've grown now and we
got a sharper sword. So it was more about like,
let's not listen to what people have told us who
we are.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Let's just try something new. Let's just start from here and.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
See what we get. And it worked, you know, like
we got two more shows left, and when we left
the crib, we was like, man, we don't know, we
don't know if we don't know what people want, you
know what I mean? You go outside and you realize
that outside and the internet is not the same thing,
not at all. You know, majority of the fans we
(04:07):
just met and the people that's been with us the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
And not on the internet like that, right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Some dude brought his son to the Detroit show with
a black mag HADMI signed his son fourteen. He's like, man,
he's been listening to y'all since he was born. So
you don't see those people unless you go outside. And
it seems like from our investigation, were more outside group
it's not really things we could.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do on the Internet. We're not Internet.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know, I don't overshare even though we you know,
we got our personalities were funny.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's had a streaming show.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know, I've pitched, uh, you know, cooking content, all
this different stuff we do.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But it's like that rat race isn't as fun as this.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, what's interesting because because you guys, I kind of
think of you guys. I saw I pulled up the
Black Mags video and it really aged me because it's
been eighteen years, very real and uh, I got a
twenty year old but that was like damn near like
(05:14):
right at the genesis of the blog area, if not before.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
It was way before. It was before.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So you know, there's been like there's been a couple
iterations of the Internet as what we know it now.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You know what I'm saying, Like because you you had
a crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Run oh yeah, blogs like.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, it's it's been it's been a couple of internets
that you know, we've lived through, you know, all of
us in all room collectively. The one that we're in
now currently, Yeah, this one is it's a newer it's
a newer Internet is based heavily on you know, algorithms
and curating things and timelines and all of that.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Right, But there's an Internet before that that.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Was sharing, you know, links, sampling, sharing, music sharing, share,
download mixtapes, dat PIFs and all of the.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Yeah, extractors, all of the mixtape uh.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
R, the.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
And all that, you know what I mean. So that
was another internetssage boards, Yeah, you feel me. That was
a whole other Internet.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
And you know, now we're living through another one, and
we'll see how long this one goes on for.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, no I said that to uh, It's like
it got kind of sinister. I think the big business
saw that we was out here. We were dropping projects
and albums and singles with real creative videos, well thought
out artwork, and you know the groups that kind of
(06:43):
traveled in here with us. You were able to tour
and like show up to a city and really do it.
And you know, I ain't no conspiracy theorist, but I
do believe that you can't really just what big business
ass like that without them coming back with a bigger switch.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I feel like.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Once they condensed things down, it's like when you listen
to that blog air podcast, the real did.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And they start speaking.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
They get to that part of the end where it's
like everybody started selling out for big ads, and then
you know, you can really pinpoint when it happened. It
was a deep shift, probably between late twenty fourteen twenty
sixteen when it was labels Verse streaming and then out
(07:31):
of nowhere, everybody's like, no, it's just streaming, and you
know what I mean, It's like they must have had
a sit down meeting and a lot of bags was
changed hands because the attitude changed. Now it's playlists, but
they already had the playlists sewed up, like the real
estate was already bought, so you couldn't creep in like
you could no more. It couldn't be like damn, I
(07:52):
found this on this site and I like them, you
know what I mean. Like it's almost like when I
found Gunning and Conway with with the with the Nash,
you know, with the Wrestling Project. I found that off
Yam's website, you know, like he had a real nigga
tumbler dot com. That was where hell of Ship was coming,
and it was cool to do it, you know, like
(08:15):
you had your you didn't have your music on your phone,
you had an iPod or you had your laptop or
the iPod. I was looking when they killed the iPod.
They killed it for a minutes because the iPod. I
remember how like someone stole my iPod from my car
Valley Driver in Vegas, bro, and I tell you I
had that motherfucker was a five twelve hacked up you.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Know, heartbreak. I've been looking. iPods are going for like
serious money, right yeah, man.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Everything is taped.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Like we did a package and shout out to the
Hammies from lambs uh in New York. But we did
a We did a deluxe package for the album where
it was a deluxe in your hand. It wasn't like
we're just telling you it's a deluxe, what like two
extra songs on right right right. We had it in
a in a box with seven inch picture disc, the vinyl,
(09:07):
the CD, two T shirts, and then we gave you
a CD player with headphones that worked, which is crazy
for one hundred and fifty dollars, that's amazing. But that's
it flew off the shelf, you know what I mean.
Because people want to hold things in their hand. It's
burnt out right now.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's funny because we're talking about kind of like a
playlist real estate being taken up. You know, I always
say this, like the blog era had gatekeepers, but they
had good taste. Taste that was the point of it.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's like shake or boys posted some ship. I'd be like, oh,
I know, I'll probably enjoy it. Or I also knew
like I could send them ship from like my hometown,
and if they fucked with it, they just posted. It
didn't matter if there was not a follower.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Thing like it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How many monthly listeners they got, because if I would see,
there's so many metrics.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Now you see how they did that.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
They started they started shifting in like how many followers
you got? How many monthly listeners? You know, you got
crazy knowing that if you know anything about tech, like
how we do I went to school with coders and
people that hacking all that shit. Once you start realizing
that that number that you see is about as fake
as is a hologram.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
You know what I mean, you can put your finger
through it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So monthly listeners, Okay, somebody got five hundred and thirty
thousand monthly listeners, about one hundred and twenty of them
are real humans. So now that person is getting a
spot ahead of you, right with fluff in.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Front of you. It's crazy because I said this on
a podcast where I was getting interviewed. In me maybe
it was a little a little bit of an exaggeration,
but all of these labels, like the marketing there's a
digital marketing budget that they bacon everyone's budget, right, and
so like how like I don't know to this day,
(10:59):
like right now and you know, whatever date is in
twenty twenty five. For a lot of years, the digital
marketing budget was how do we pay for user curated playlisting.
There'd be some bruh who got the plug on like
fifty playlists. Oh yeah, like yo, I got a Fast
and the Furious ten playlist. It's got like one hundred
thousand followers. There's three hundred dollars to get on that motherfucker,
(11:21):
you know.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I seen that play.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, they step and play, you.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Know, and then like most of the time the artists
don't even know that she's going on. But then they
you know, obviously they got to recoup that bread like
it's it's an interesting time. And then even just like
you guys said, like the real testament is like can
you feel a venue, yeah, with.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
The bodies that with the eyes and ears that you know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, it's not just like merch bundles. It's not just
transactional like that. Like right now you're gonna see it's
gonna be a different wave coming. Like it's a lot
of big artists. They can't even put together four hundred
people in one spot. And they got millions and millions
of this, but that million is just sending them off.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And robbing them.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Because especially if you're a new artist, like you've only
grown up knowing this route. Right now, this route is
over and it's more smoke than you could ever imagine,
right because you've never seen the people. You never went outside.
You ain't never elbowed or adapt nobody. You ain't never
talked to your people that listen to you, you know
what I mean? Something that almost made us both tier up.
If somebody came to our Toronto show with every single
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piece of everything we ever.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Did, that's so crazy, you know what I mean? Like
I still have my uh, y'all did like a collapse
shirt with famous stars and straps. I think you guys
opened up for cute we did?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
We did?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, that shirt at the Market Theater and we did
one with the clips too.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, right before everything kind of shut down. Our livest
Real tour room was with the clips.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So like when we was working, we was working on
an album and they was like, yeah, no, we back outside.
I'm like, oh, it's the best time, you know what
I mean. The last time we we put the ball up,
they put the ball up, you know what I mean.
So I think that just kind of understanding how people work,
and the people that like you work, it was easy
for us to.
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I feel like when we talk about influence and because
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you know, I think it's just your guys's influence on
fashion alone. Like I always say this, but like you know,
I think Tigers sometimes gets credit for like bringing snapbacks back.
But y'all did that.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I told him we did.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like y'all brought the snap back a lot, a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
But this just the thing.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Ain't no shout out to bro. Fuck that nigga, man,
this is what I'm talking about. We got documentation these
you guys, videos with dates, videos with dates and times
on them to pre date anything, all them dudes talking about. Man,
it's like, just go do the homework, do the knowledge, man,
Like it's all there.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
It's all documented, and you guys have.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Your fingerprints on like an era And like I feel
like you know him and I because him and I
are you know, similar in age and we're both similar
tasting hip hop. So it's a couple of weeks ago
hit me. It's like, yo, cool kids got to show
a Pac dav And I was like, word, that's fire.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's the That's exactly what we wanted it to be. Like,
So if you knew about it. You know, it's fired,
Like now somebody told you about it and you didn't
know you hearing this fire right, So now we're creating
a whole nother it's new conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I was gonna say, like, your guys is like, how
do you guys kind of look at your guys's legacy
and like, do you guys kind of because I feel
like you guys are underappreciated and definitely underrated when we
talk about the grand scheme of the last twenty years
of hip hop, and.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I feel like we me personally, I feel like we
we are just now beginning to get you know, on
the right foot and get this shit right and get
a fair shake at what we're doing here. And that's
only because the world has shifted now, you know, everybody
(16:44):
sees like the fun and the freedom being snatched away
every day. There's some new shit Netflix just brought, Disney
and HBO and Paramount that's not good. Like we see
this type of shit happening every day. It's new things
and new horrors that the corporations.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Is putting up.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
You got to pay money.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It's all about being like in a physical space with
the media and with the art now and being able
to like uh, being able to to to to feel it,
you know, something tangible, man. And I think that's definitely
where we we shine at. I think that our personalities,
our presence are you know, our friendship and camaraderie, our relationship,
(17:22):
all that stuff really translates well in the real world again.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
And I think that that currency is starting to go
up again. Man.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
So it's outside and stay.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Working out, stayed you know, stayed in in rap shape,
stayed in mental shape, and you know, stay low and
kept firing like you said, man, And I think that
the cycle is just coming back around now where it's
actually gonna you know, make sense for dudes like us
to really you know, step into the position we wanted to.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
If you when you get into a world where every
single inconvenience that has brought into you has offered a
price to be less inconvenient, mean like, oh, watch this
ad free, Like why the fuck would you put that
is in it? If you know we don't want.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
To see that ship.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, I gotta pay extra five dollars to not be
annoyed by something that you was offering me that should
have made or entertained me. So we got so used
to that small stab, that small stab, like extra fee
pay for leg room, Like why the fuck is the
plane show goddamn small that I gotta pay extra hundred
dollars just to stretch my shit up.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
That's a bad world and that's bad business.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And now it's starting to crumble on itself, like they
they now it's like, oh, put AI in this.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
We don't want it now, what now, y'all?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Two three trillion dollars into this shit in the world
is not gonna fuck with it, bro. And then when
you go outside and you really hear how people are
responding to things, like seeing how they go see showed,
seeing how people are in red lobster again and the
food is good, and fuck all that extra shit, man,
I don't want to pay two hundred dollars to eat
with my family. It's just not gonna go well. And
(18:57):
they thought it was. They're like they just we could
just they'll just keep paying. I'm a wrestling fan and
that's what wide like, I'm a huge dressing fan. So
like w W E just got they got bought by
t k O who owns UFC. Yeah, and they were
just fucking gouging.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Gouging right, it's sad man, You're like damn.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Like I told my kid, I was like, hey, that
ship crazy next year.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
It's like it's like going to see.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
A sports gonna happen to a lot, a lot of
events and a lot of now because people are gonna
do like you're saying, it's gonna come to that breaking
point where they're just like man, funk that we're not
going like I'm not paying and we go watch it
on Street East.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I ain't gonna lie to you. Do you know how
many people I know over this Christmas?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
This is something interesting to bring up, like just outside
like I could be, you know, poking a bear. But
everybody I know that's a grown man with kids and
they talk to their wife what you want for Christmas?
I want to crack firestick. Every man I know, like
back home now, living back in Detroit, popping back and
forth off the Chicago everybody I know, they're like, yeah,
(20:02):
I got the cracked fire stick. I don't even go
to the movies.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I didn't even show the crack firestick where you can
sell them. Yeah you got.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I've been on them for a minute.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
They're back like cook crapy now though.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The point where something you press play on some ship
and it would.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Just be like it's to the point now where it's
to the point now where there's cubes. Now they're like
the fire cube and ship which hold a lot of memory.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
You could put all.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Type of apps from Korea, all types of ship on
there where you're watching movies, series whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, it's been four or five years since I
was you know, Nikkel and Diamond on the side, some
some some.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Good old fire he fu business.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Steal from them, niggas, man, But we talk about.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Create all these goddamn apps. I gotta pay for every
month now. No, I just got to steal all of them.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And you did it like like you get. There's people
with teslas and ship. I know, my man, he got
locked up. He got locked inside his test.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I got a truck.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, they locked inside Tesla.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's wild.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And then Bro Bro, I don't know what happened, but
Bro just made an extra three hundred billion in the
past three weeks. No, he's the richest, he said, Jeff
three hundred No, I know, he's Jeff Bezosberg all combined.
He still got more money than you don't need that
much money. Now now we don't care.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bro. I think the billionaire ship is cooked.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I was treating like.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
That when the fires happened that super wait till something
else happened.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Bro, they go to all this ship.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's why I'm like, I got the I like pre
ordered that cyber truck like five years before it came out.
They put after email and I was like this right before,
like I think I got my ship. I think I
confirmed it in February and I had to pay, and
then by like June it was like, oh fuck, this
fool was like this weekend.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Fesse too, because when he was announcing him like two thousand,
I mean twenty twenty. Around that time, he was like, yeah, yeah,
he's gonna be like forty racks, forty balls. They come out,
he said, a hundo. As soon as they hit the market,
it's like, oh he did the old bait and switch.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I always wonder you guys, was you guys uh when
when Fish Ride Bicycles comes out in twenty eleven. Yeah,
at that point our album comes out, and then it
feels like you guys kind of split away and like
you were you know, like I said, you have a
fucking very slept on incredible catalog as Sir Michael Rocks
as a solo artist, and Chuck you were fucking doing
(22:31):
all your shit producing, going crazy. What was that point
in time where you guys are like, you know what,
like the cool kid shit, let's just put it on
the back burner.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Man, bro I remember that very vividly, man, because around
that time, like you said, it's like twenty eleven, twenty
twelve ish. I remember I was living in Chicago still.
I think he had dipped out to La already. But
you know, we dropped the album, we did some some touring,
and we just knew that the world had hit a shift.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Me personally, I just recognized like, okay, uh Chief Keith
Nim just came out like the drill ship just started popping,
super super crazy. Nobody wanted to hear nothing at that
time but sliding on your ops and and and and
who you're smoking in the blunt, you know what I mean.
So it was kind of like I was like, oh,
(23:25):
it's not really the best time for us to be
just you know, keep on poking people in the back,
like hey, listen to this, listen to this.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
It's like we probably should get this.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Give it this a second, you know, and let's let's
you know, use our other our other skill sets, our other.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Networks, and you know, keep creating.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Obviously, like the whole time, he was still sending me
beats from my solo.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Shit. Uh, he's still sending me songs and she's.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like, oh, yeah, you should do this, you shoot the
video and so and so we still like are very
much in tune and and on the same path and
on the same page. We just knew that as the
cool kids at that point in time, it was time
to like just you know, put that on ice for
a second. You don't you don't let it melt, you
don't let it die, you know, you just put it
on ice and preserve it for when the time is
right again. So we just knew that it was time
(24:13):
to you know, just take some take some alternate routes
for a second, and then we meet back up when
it feels good again, right right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Right, Chuck? Uh, can you talk just about like for
you because production has changed so much. We just talked
to somebody who was saying that they're using like AI
for samples now, Like if they need a vocal sample,
they can get it from AI and then chop it
up and you know which I respect. It is what
it is. But for you as a producer, man, like,
are you still like in the trenches sending out packs?
(24:41):
You know what I'm saying. I don't send no packs.
You gotta call me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I did, But it's like there's certain pride that I
have to my work. Nah, if it's for example, I
send Larry a whole bunch of beats of people that
I didn't kind of you got, you know, of course,
of course, yeah, like send y'all some beats, you know,
like stuff I was doing or I am currently doing
(25:05):
with seafood, saying like I'll pick and choose, but you know,
somebody's manager and are like, chuck, let me get a
pack of beats.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
It's it's cool. It was cool when it was cool.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Now it's not cool because if you sit in the
studio and you peat the psychology, you give somebody a
whole bunch of beats, they're not gonna focus on the
first one they play. They're gonna try to go through
the whole thing and just listen to it was put up,
the next one, put up the next one.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And you can't audition my ship like that.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I worked too hard. You know what I sound like.
If you want something that sound like something, talk to
me about it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Build this communication.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, but yeah, that's it's it's it's quiet storm outside.
For the young producers, a lot of kids, you know,
they saw it as like, all, let's work together and
you put this and put this, and then they get
to the finish line and it come time for splits
and then your man's just slimming you. Or even the
(26:00):
shit that you used was made by somebody else, so
you don't.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Even know it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, not a song on the radio gotta get taken
down because.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
If somebody sent the loop, they didn't get credzy.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
No, because we're in this streaming eror and everything has
to be a transaction. Now if you would have did that,
you know, twenty eleven, twenty ten, that song is on
an album that's being spread worldwide with no transaction, so
the publishing is not really there. It's just energy, right,
(26:31):
you know what I mean. And that's kind of where
the fun gets taken out if you're making stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
That's why there is imp.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Implanation. What I know that word implemented. You know, you
can call it AI, but it's it's just it's just
really like the.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Keyboard and looking for you know, it's the same shit.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You know how many keyboards, core keyboards that have a
pre determined loop, piano run all of those different things.
Music and AI is very very easy to hear. What
is It's not like people are stupid, you know what
I mean. But if you take somebody right now who
(27:15):
wants to use a vocal sample didn't know it was,
you know, like some archie in the drill ship that's
gonna cost you two hundred thousand dollars and put.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
You in a hole that you can't never get out of.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It makes it like incentivizes people to go and use
AI sounds and.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, like I need I need a I need to
acquire to sample.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You don't got that money, bro, So most you know
what I mean, that's how you use it too. Like
it's like when I moved out to l A. I
came out here, like alchemists convinced me to come out here.
And when I got out here, before I got an apartment,
I would just be at his place all day and
then I peeped Matlid was just making beats on anything.
(28:05):
It didn't even matter, and he didn't print out no stems.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, you always hear he made I think bendana on
the iPad pad.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
See, it's the user. It's not really the equipment, you
know what I mean, Like, it's really up to you.
Now there's laziness, it's it's certain trap beats. We're just
like bro that that was a stock. That was stock,
and you just put the same trap drum loop in
the same pack of loops I had. I just didn't
use it right. And now it's you know, on the charts,
(28:34):
it's on Billboard. And when you start rewarding that type
of lack of hard work, I ain't even gonna say
it's a lack of hard work or lack of trying
to identify what your sound is, then everybody's gonna follow it.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
So if producer over here I.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Sed out changed everywhere, Lambo pulling out front of the
restaurants in LA But when you listen to his music,
you're like, damn, what does he even do? Then you
got a whole bunch of kids. It's like fuck with
Chuck Enguish and you know what I'm saying, day and
all of them niggas, fuck what they're doing. We're doing
this because I could get a lambo facts, and that's
(29:15):
really how it starts, and that's how you get outside
of the pocket of things actually mattering in them. Not
because it's it's hard for anybody to scrub two nickels together,
no matter if you got it or you not. Facts,
because I didn't have moments. I got it, looked at
it in my bank account, like shit, three months. I
don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do, right, because
(29:35):
that one check don't turn into two checks sometimes. So
you got these kids that's hungry, and they like, oh,
why wasn't in the streets. I'm in the studio. But
now the studio gonna make you more broke and give
you less of any sort of wins than just going
out there in middleman and something right right right.
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guys obviously had a relationship with Mac. Do you guys
have any Mac Miller stories that you could share something,
so maybe something cool about Mac or the story.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Man Dog Mac.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Not that it's not a particular story, just like a
reflection on like type of dude like he was, because
you know, at this point, I mean from you know,
all of his close friends from like schoolboy Q and
you know Evince everybody who used to just be at
the crib, you know when they have at that uh,
(32:00):
I think it was like Laurel kayan studio crib and shit, man,
Mac was just he's just he just knew how to
be a friend too. Man, He just knew how to
be a friend. Like he had cheer you up. And
he was the one, you know with all the ship
to do. You know, he was the one that had
all the bills to pay. He just let everybody all
(32:21):
the stress, you know, and he just let everybody come
over his crib and fuck his house up and record
and you know, smoke weed and then record songs all day.
And you know, still if you down, he's still gonna
cheer you back up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
When he actually the one like when he.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Moved into that crib that everybody saw where everybody was
pulling up. We was on tour with him, and then
when we got off tour, he bought that crib. And
then when we pulled back up because I lived, I
had just moved to La through and we all went
our own way after the tour was over, which turn
into just like you know, like the first week of
(32:58):
school with some news you just met, like with his
whole team and all that, and then us riding through
the buses and and when we did the tour, he
took care of us, cast us out per show and
made sure we had a bus. They didn't even we
didn't even have to know we was inconvenience, not one time.
And then when we got back off tour, just you
(33:19):
know the way I am. I'm I'm an at home
type of person. I know where it's supposed to be
be candles in all my dishes be washed. You're like, Chuck,
I need it like this, send me the bed bathroom
beyond with his credit card, Like just do what you
would do. So like the Buddha heeads and all that shit,
that's just me being like, hey, bro, put this ship
in here, so on.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Field, So you helped with the interior decord.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I grabbed it for him with it I ain't I
ain't buy it, but picked it out.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, I went to the big bathroom beyond up the street.
So all that like layout was.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Me being like, bro, you need a rug, you need
this get you know what I'm saying, Like, y'all gonna
blow this bitch down, so you're gonna need some candles.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Like, and I think really contributed to me just being like, man,
the little homies trust me. And it's like you don't
get that too much. I know people say that ship
all the time. You don't get people. You don't get
people like him that are doing this now.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You don't run into that, not with.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
As much leverage as yet where he could put his
finger on something and and and you know that ship
ripple out. So it's like the whole network from when
like Earl and Vince and q us, you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
It was just a beautiful time to be honest with
you because it's like over and over on the other side,
it's like we're doing that as crib. It's all this
connection that was happening, and he was just a big
part of it, you know, Like I told somebody else,
it's like a cognitive distance thing in reverse.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
It's like I missed him so much.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I just don't be thinking about like like I'm not
going back and forth with the memory he's in my
head over that because I'm still pissed about it. Right,
That's one of them things I can't never get over.
Like I know people that have been shot, been in
car crashes, all sorts of shit, Like my brain can
make sense of it. I can't make sense of this one. Yeah,
that one, it don't make sense. It's like and no
offense to her, but it's like Timmy Levado just od
(35:18):
off a speedball and she got to live, right, So
it's like no offense to her.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
But like that's how it was making me.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Feel, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Like my man like to get a little high like
that Dad, he knew how to fucking kick it.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I've watched him do it right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
So it's just this is one of them things you
want to get, that you want, you want that lick back.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
A little bit. Yeah, I mean it's sad because it's like,
I feel like we started to kind of realize through
famous people losing their life that this shit ain't the
same like it was, you know, ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
No facts.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, we've seen that shift, man, and then you know,
shortly there, you know, Mac passed.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
It was just.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Another wave of even younger kids, you know what I'm saying,
all due to like, you know, the same causes of
just different substances and the game changing with the substances.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Man, and the ship just kind of.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Hit a fever pitch where it's like everybody need to
take a take a pause real quick. We need to
see what the fuck is going on, doll, because everybody
just dropping and that was a wild time.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Uh. Who do you guys have in your personal Let's
just say, I don't want to say the because I
feel like y'all were before the blog era. You guys
are very active in a certain specific era of hip hop,
what's called the blog era. Who would you put as
your mount Rushmore the blog er each year?
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Hmm? But us, Okay, Yeah, I definitely feel like we.
I just feel like we gotta be there. We gotta
be there.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I feel like you guys laid the foundation.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
We gotta be in there.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
We walked through the part that was a little bit
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You guys did the framing of the house.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
But yeah, and then we didn't sign. We didn't get up
we didn't get upstreamed.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
We had to stay down here and still like keeping
hill on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, some bullshit.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Remember thinking that. I remember being like this ship got engulfed.
You went to jail for some stupid ship. Like it's
almost like you didn't even have to do It's like that.
But look look what happened to you. So what I
say about like that, that that that particular you know,
we we had to keep We had just like everybody
(37:37):
upstairs kicking it. We downstairs making sure the refrigerator stay stopped.
But I would say us honestly bro us currency and
whiz because they made it. They made it work. The
business wise, he's he's pretty much like he's pretty much
like if you had to show what it looked like
(38:01):
on the financial tip of what the business model of
what we was doing and.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Just he hep. I just remember the quant like the
quantity of music Spinner was putting out.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
But he tuned that. He tuned that because that's the
way his fan base.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I remember it was like every month they liked no
for sure.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Yeah, but there's certain people that's not that good.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
So the more output you do, people start realizing certain
people who are not.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Certain people who certain people think is the greatest rapper
of all time for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
So it's like you listen to any any random Spit album,
it's the beats is crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I also think like him and that he kind of like,
at least for like a certain era kind of made
like I look at Covert Coop is like everybody's like, oh,
we can't do like a whole album with a producer
that sound type. I mean, we grew up with that,
but I mean for like, for that like of course
you know obviously gangst are clips clips of course, biggy,
(39:05):
but I just mean like, for like, you know, the
newer era is like you know it kind of I
feel like it was kind of the genesis of like
so much that we got after that, right.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
And it's like we we we equate, you know, the
stuff and the blogger like it's this, it's in this
vacuum when there's so many things that happened before it
happened after. But it was like we were the first
ones in the not cder and we had CDs, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
So people just seeing it like, oh, you put your
music out on the internet.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Only I can't even tell you how many times we
would hear you put it out on the internet.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Now it's not what the fuck else could you put it?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
There is no other way to put out music.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
About three, three week, four week lead times.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
So you could get your ship mixing master because there
is no other way around.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
You couldn't put.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It out on the CD that was being distributed or
bought up and packaged with out certain levels being in
what's that ship called parameters being met because it had to, right,
So we kind of like lowered or loosen those rules
by doing the same quality of music but putting it
(40:15):
so it's on a zip. So instead of doing it
the way you used to do it, when you bootlegged it.
Here's the butleg right here. So I think that we
took a lot of shrapnel coming through the door off
that because from the bands, but like from the old
Guard that was like, who the fuck are y'all ruining
this ship?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, by the time you guys put out Bake Sale,
I feel like it was like like shit had been
out for a minute. Yeah, it was like it was
I was like, oh, I could buy this now we
do that.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
And then get caught in the crossfire and the wood
Chipper and now we had to take what was our
first album and split it up into three mixtapes. So
gun Fishing, tackle Box, when First Ride Bicycles, that was
all one album, right, Like like if we could have
hit them with that type of concentration, it's gonna tell me.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I think that's where the I think that's where like
the reverse of you know, being able to release music
freely comes into play. I think that's where the negative
came in because back then you would, uh, you would
only get certain coverage and only get certain looks if
it was an official album, you know what I mean.
(41:22):
Like even though those mixtapes and Ship there were all
original songs original beats. It wasn't no like rapping over
instrumentals or somebody else's beat like a mixtape in that way.
But to get the real like coverage for like you know,
your your magazines and your promos and all the Rolling
Stones and had to be official released.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You know, Big was here just came out and everybody
was like, is this the album of the year, But
is it an album? Mixtape? Yellow Truck it.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Was like it was a It was a complicated complicated times.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Definitely like before all that ship or sure. I mean,
like you said in MYCE like that's really like a
lot of motherfuckers just finding joints on MySpace.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
So, you know, were our manager she told us recently,
she was like, yeah, I went back and looked. She said,
y'all have five million fans or follow whatever they called
them on MySpace. Yeah, And I was like, Yo, that's
crazy because like that's back when a social media platform
could literally like die, like for real like die Like nowadays,
Facebook it'll never die, Instagram never gonna die.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
X it ain't never going to die. They're just two
huge of entities now, you know.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But MySpace, that's back when you could just die. You
lost all of that ship. You know, I think we
lost cod low key. Yeah, it's like that in that
transition to we just lost a lot of people just
they they just didn't know where to look for us,
you know, after MySpace kind of imploded, So that transition
was just it was a crazy time for that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, you know, they just they just said the deserver
that it was hosted on, they just unplugged it.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, you funny. I had a bunch of pictures on
my Space that I was like, I guess that always
they'll always be there, you know, is gone.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
I wish it was, man, it was some it was
some stuff.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
It was some memories on there.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Man. Holy And then I remember like Justin Timberlake bought
my Space and.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
I was like, maybe j T bring you back.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
He tried and he wanted. He was going. He was
there for a lot of stuff we was doing. That's
what showed us that, like, Okay, this is different.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah for sure, Justin shoutut to Justin. Man, you guys
do have to run to the show. But it is
the end of the year. Outside of your guys's body
of work. Who do y'all got this rap album of
the Year and uh.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Rap album of the Year. It's been so much ship
this year. I can.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Clips right is the obvious answer to the clips.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Of album of the Year.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I love, I like, I like, I liked it a lot,
but like this is this is what I'm trying to say.
Like there hasn't been just like the definitive five mic
album of the year for me personally. Man, what I
have experienced this year is some artists that have done
very very well this year with their just body of
(44:22):
work period throughout the year or the year prior and
all that one that I could say for show that's
just you know, been.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
Keeping my attention all year.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
It's been King Hendrix man think you Out and thank
you from Houston. Yeah, you know he'd be Babyface ray
and on them. But dog Man like that ship, his
new ship all throughout the year. That shit really got
me like back excited again the right ship and made
this ship you know interesting again. You know, I've just
(44:54):
been really impressed, you know, with just just a pen
and his approach.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
To the ship. I'm you know, big man, what.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
About you check?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I mean, my my taste doesn't just stop at uh
hip hop music as much as I'm you know, got
a seat at the table.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
What I listened to over and over and over and
over again.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
It's a dude named Harrison Harrison, like a new.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Jazz Yeah, yeah, yeah, Harrison Hard Harrison go crazy.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
That's one of the first artists in a long time
where like it don't matter, it don't matter what song
comes on or off, what album is on. I'm like, yeah, jazz,
yeah that, And it's like a new It's like, it's
not jazz jazz, it's a new jazz bro Like, I
don't know how the funk he's doing it, but it's
(45:53):
like jazz fun jazz.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Like it's crazy, Mom.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Grol Genevieve, Like I listened to her album one time,
just doing We're friends too, Like you know what I mean.
I just I don't listen to it when it comes out.
Ain't no way I'm about to put an album on
at midnight. Now I'm back on the East Coast. Fuck that,
Like nine pm on a Friday is a terrible time
to drop an album. So I listened to it when
(46:20):
I get my time, and then I always try to
listen to stuff where it's practical. So if I'm matching
my socks after I just did laundry. Great time to
put on an album, you know what I mean, Like
you gotta hand washing dishes because you cook big ship
washing and then you got the got the dishes, You
got the dishes, the dicks you got to put in
the dishwasher, and then you got them last few.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
You gotta hand wash that little cycle, that little forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
It's a good time to listen to albums.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Either that or a podcast. Put the headphones in, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, I or you know, going for a long
walk like the walk to the farmer's market.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, some ship. Give me a hip hop album though
clips clips respect it and it grew on me.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Hmm, so like the first I mean I could be
honest with you.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
You know, I grew up and you know, for that
was who I wanted to be like as as as
a teenager. So I like listen to his ship like
a little bit harder than I would like to, Like
I still want that, Like, why you not fucking.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Me up right now?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Bro? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (47:20):
Like I don't even want to hear I don't want
to hear none of that progressive shit.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
You I feel you Why do you not have album?
Speaker 6 (47:27):
No, but it's like, why do you know how to
chop her out?
Speaker 4 (47:29):
And now I'm like, oh, you actually did it right,
you you you crafted it to what they was about
to tell. And then when I saw the show live
in Detroit, I was like, oh, it makes the most sense.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Such a good show.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
So it was like.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Ship, I like being in the world where they the
ones and we we you know we what I said.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I said, man, like this year is it very Like
I'm trying to put together my top ten albums just
for a video we're gonna do, and I'm like, man,
it's it's hard to pick ten.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Yeah, but see, that's what we gotta we gotta.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
We gotta figure out how to celebrate things without scoring
them up. Like it's like it's a Parla's kind of
what I got. What I mean, that's what you got to.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You got to.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
But I think that the mass amount of things that
are coming out, I think people need to get in
the habit of just listening more.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, because I'm like, Bodie James had a great year obviously,
Alfredo two is incredible, Bruiser Wolf is fucking dope, like.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Yeah, rappers, rap rappers, good man, Like it's been a
good year.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
For rap album Just it's like, what a fucking right there?
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Man?
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, it makes sense though, you know what I mean,
Like you know l It's like two people I know
for a fact they're always practicing and they're always working
on It's Travis Barker. I never seen the man not
with a drum pad like we went on tour with,
like we got tons of songs anytime I walked up
on him or was in his comfortable space like that
(48:59):
is how he not even on the drum right, I
ain't never seen out in his spot, not in front
of the NPC unless we order food or we like
get going outside to make a run. So when it
comes down to, you know, work ethic, people get kind
of lost in that what that sauce is.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
The ethic ain't just the grind.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
It's like how long are you willing to sit with
your machine til you figured out how to do that?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Like how did you stretch that samples until you made
it fit into time?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (49:30):
And that's what makes.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
It original, That's what what what brings out in what
they say cream Rise.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
To the Top.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think he's figured out too, Like if you are
a dope producer like we'll say you or Havoc or whoever,
like Yo, man, like don't sit on beats like you know,
like he's revolutionized, like the vinyl shit too, like like
you know he was telling me how like you know,
he had to kind of convince evidence from dilated peoples
(49:59):
to be like, Yo, you got to go on one
of these runs where you do whole albums and right,
you know, I think if you're a producer like yo,
like lock in. You know what I'm saying, like shout
out to uh to al though, man, but look, the
new album is out. The shows tonight? Is this? How
many is this the last day on the tour? How
many dates on the tour?
Speaker 5 (50:18):
We got Chicago, that's the last one of course in Chicago,
you know where it all started at, starting.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
To Detroit and Crazy Crazy. You know what's funny is
like you guys being from those two different places. I'd
never been to the Midwest, and we would spend like
a week and a half in Detroit and I realized
I was like, oh Chicago. My boy was like, YO,
should drive down to Chicago, and hey, I'm like drive
Like I was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
This shit is not that fuck around the corner had
fucking Canada, like you could throw a football fucking hit Canada.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Yeah, you got that, that's right there.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Yeah for sure. You know that's how we came up
as kids. You'd be nineteen and go across being.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
An influential Detroit Jesus, the Detroit ship right now is
influencing everybody, like it's fucking crazy Detroit.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah, and the Pistons is good, thank god, right, the
Lion is good, the Tigers is good.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
We're in a good spot.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
And the lines are okay. The Bears are good.
Speaker 7 (51:11):
Bears good. We've been good in a long time, y'all.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Y'all have y'all got the last And as a sportsman,
if you're a Bears fan, the next three games are
the hardest out of anybody that's in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
The Lions are on the outside looking in right now.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
We're gonna stump them up hole And like the first
time I'm watching it, I know who Ben Johnson is,
y'all don't.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I definitely don't believe in Williams, but he and y'all
got what's the little white boy's name?
Speaker 7 (51:39):
Giddy Josh?
Speaker 6 (51:41):
Josh, Josh, sweet Josh.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Now the Bulls that's really my team. Like the Bears,
they've hurt.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Me so much.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
We're out my childhood that I kind of hated them
for a long time. But the Bulls, I'll be riding
with them.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Kobe, Kobe White, uh Man.
Speaker 7 (51:56):
I don't know what the hell happened this year.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Trade them last year, Bro, that's it.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
Sometimes got a little hurt and came back a little different.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
You know, you gotta get a haircut. You gotta hit
a haircut that's gonna help his game.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
You can't hoop with them on the Bulls.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
We gotta sell some players. We gotta trade some ship,
We gotta figure some You.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Guys have been avoiding the fucking rebuild for like eight years. Anyway.
Speaker 6 (52:16):
Appreciate you guys, and thanks for having the kids go support.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Appreciate you all. Y'all a legends
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sold out show tonight with Pat Devuh the Cool Kids?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What what Chuck English? Yeah, very very influential, legendary fellas Man.
New album dropped this year. Uh what what was it
about the timing right now? Where you guys are like, yo,
let's let's get in. Let's kind of bring back this
classic cool Kids flavor.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Well, right after COVID, we did what we thought was
like our coldest album. It was called Before She Got Weird,
and then she got Weird. We didn't really get to
tour that one. I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Was outside still she got weirder after that. So in that,
in that.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Circumforts of what we were doing gave it's an opportunity
to kind of see where the world was, because, you know,
unless you got your algorithm tuned to us, there's a
lot of people that didn't know that we were still working.
I don't know how the internet work like that, you
got all the information in the.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
World and it don't. Don't you like it's weird because
it's like it's unless the algorithm is feeding it to you.
It's like you really damn you.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Can miss It's it's harder to find now than it
was when you had to search for it. It's like
if you don't have it on your algorithm, you know, uh,
day by day you gotta go dig for the ship
and you might not even find it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Now, it might not even find it's people that didn't
even know that's close to me. And then you know,
we had a show here and then looked up and
sold out. So it's like, to answer your question is
like I knew things was starting to like pick back
up and people want to pick and choose from what
they like now instead of everything being the mainstream or
you know, what's on rap caviar and all that. So
(02:58):
it's kind of like stay low key for and then uh,
with this particular one, you know the relationship we got
with a track and Fools Gold.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
In New York.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, we went down to Houston did a whole
album with Manny Fresh, but just like you know, thinking quick,
I was like, can't raw dog and Manny Fresh album, Like,
let's let's build this back up, build this back out,
you know, Like, I know, people have the ideas of
the error we brought in and you know what came
(03:32):
with that. But you know we've grown now and we
got a sharper sword. So it was more about like,
let's not listen to what people have told us who
we are.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Let's just try something new. Let's just start from here and.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
See what we get. And it worked, you know, like
we got two more shows left, and when we left
the crib, we was like, man, we don't know, we
don't know if we don't know what people want, you
know what I mean? You go outside and you realize
that outside and the internet is not the same thing,
not at all. You know, majority of the fans we
(04:07):
just met and the people that's been with us the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
And not on the internet like that, right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Some dude brought his son to the Detroit show with
a black mag HADMI signed his son fourteen. He's like, man,
he's been listening to y'all since he was born. So
you don't see those people unless you go outside. And
it seems like from our investigation, were more outside group
it's not really things we could.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do on the Internet. We're not Internet.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know, I don't overshare even though we you know,
we got our personalities were funny.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's had a streaming show.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know, I've pitched, uh, you know, cooking content, all
this different stuff we do.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But it's like that rat race isn't as fun as this.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, what's interesting because because you guys, I kind of
think of you guys. I saw I pulled up the
Black Mags video and it really aged me because it's
been eighteen years, very real and uh, I got a
twenty year old but that was like damn near like
(05:14):
right at the genesis of the blog area, if not before.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
It was way before. It was before.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
So you know, there's been like there's been a couple
iterations of the Internet as what we know it now.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You know what I'm saying, Like because you you had
a crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Run oh yeah, blogs like.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, it's it's been it's been a couple of internets
that you know, we've lived through, you know, all of
us in all room collectively. The one that we're in
now currently, Yeah, this one is it's a newer it's
a newer Internet is based heavily on you know, algorithms
and curating things and timelines and all of that.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Right, But there's an Internet before that that.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Was sharing, you know, links, sampling, sharing, music sharing, share,
download mixtapes, dat PIFs and all of the.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Yeah, extractors, all of the mixtape uh.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
R, the.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
And all that, you know what I mean. So that
was another internetssage boards, Yeah, you feel me. That was
a whole other Internet.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
And you know, now we're living through another one, and
we'll see how long this one goes on for.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, no I said that to uh, It's like
it got kind of sinister. I think the big business
saw that we was out here. We were dropping projects
and albums and singles with real creative videos, well thought
out artwork, and you know the groups that kind of
(06:43):
traveled in here with us. You were able to tour
and like show up to a city and really do it.
And you know, I ain't no conspiracy theorist, but I
do believe that you can't really just what big business
ass like that without them coming back with a bigger switch.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I feel like.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Once they condensed things down, it's like when you listen
to that blog air podcast, the real did.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And they start speaking.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
They get to that part of the end where it's
like everybody started selling out for big ads, and then
you know, you can really pinpoint when it happened. It
was a deep shift, probably between late twenty fourteen twenty
sixteen when it was labels Verse streaming and then out
(07:31):
of nowhere, everybody's like, no, it's just streaming, and you
know what I mean, It's like they must have had
a sit down meeting and a lot of bags was
changed hands because the attitude changed. Now it's playlists, but
they already had the playlists sewed up, like the real
estate was already bought, so you couldn't creep in like
you could no more. It couldn't be like damn, I
(07:52):
found this on this site and I like them, you
know what I mean. Like it's almost like when I
found Gunning and Conway with with the with the Nash,
you know, with the Wrestling Project. I found that off
Yam's website, you know, like he had a real nigga
tumbler dot com. That was where hell of Ship was coming,
and it was cool to do it, you know, like
(08:15):
you had your you didn't have your music on your phone,
you had an iPod or you had your laptop or
the iPod. I was looking when they killed the iPod.
They killed it for a minutes because the iPod. I
remember how like someone stole my iPod from my car
Valley Driver in Vegas, bro, and I tell you I
had that motherfucker was a five twelve hacked up you.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Know, heartbreak. I've been looking. iPods are going for like
serious money, right yeah, man.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Everything is taped.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Like we did a package and shout out to the
Hammies from lambs uh in New York. But we did
a We did a deluxe package for the album where
it was a deluxe in your hand. It wasn't like
we're just telling you it's a deluxe, what like two
extra songs on right right right. We had it in
a in a box with seven inch picture disc, the vinyl,
(09:07):
the CD, two T shirts, and then we gave you
a CD player with headphones that worked, which is crazy
for one hundred and fifty dollars, that's amazing. But that's
it flew off the shelf, you know what I mean.
Because people want to hold things in their hand. It's
burnt out right now.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's funny because we're talking about kind of like a
playlist real estate being taken up. You know, I always
say this, like the blog era had gatekeepers, but they
had good taste. Taste that was the point of it.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's like shake or boys posted some ship. I'd be like, oh,
I know, I'll probably enjoy it. Or I also knew
like I could send them ship from like my hometown,
and if they fucked with it, they just posted. It
didn't matter if there was not a follower.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Thing like it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How many monthly listeners they got, because if I would see,
there's so many metrics.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Now you see how they did that.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
They started they started shifting in like how many followers
you got? How many monthly listeners? You know, you got
crazy knowing that if you know anything about tech, like
how we do I went to school with coders and
people that hacking all that shit. Once you start realizing
that that number that you see is about as fake
as is a hologram.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
You know what I mean, you can put your finger
through it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So monthly listeners, Okay, somebody got five hundred and thirty
thousand monthly listeners, about one hundred and twenty of them
are real humans. So now that person is getting a
spot ahead of you, right with fluff in.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Front of you. It's crazy because I said this on
a podcast where I was getting interviewed. In me maybe
it was a little a little bit of an exaggeration,
but all of these labels, like the marketing there's a
digital marketing budget that they bacon everyone's budget, right, and
so like how like I don't know to this day,
(10:59):
like right now and you know, whatever date is in
twenty twenty five. For a lot of years, the digital
marketing budget was how do we pay for user curated playlisting.
There'd be some bruh who got the plug on like
fifty playlists. Oh yeah, like yo, I got a Fast
and the Furious ten playlist. It's got like one hundred
thousand followers. There's three hundred dollars to get on that motherfucker,
(11:21):
you know.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I seen that play.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, they step and play, you.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Know, and then like most of the time the artists
don't even know that she's going on. But then they
you know, obviously they got to recoup that bread like
it's it's an interesting time. And then even just like
you guys said, like the real testament is like can
you feel a venue, yeah, with.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
The bodies that with the eyes and ears that you know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, it's not just like merch bundles. It's not just
transactional like that. Like right now you're gonna see it's
gonna be a different wave coming. Like it's a lot
of big artists. They can't even put together four hundred
people in one spot. And they got millions and millions
of this, but that million is just sending them off.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
And robbing them.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Because especially if you're a new artist, like you've only
grown up knowing this route. Right now, this route is
over and it's more smoke than you could ever imagine,
right because you've never seen the people. You never went outside.
You ain't never elbowed or adapt nobody. You ain't never
talked to your people that listen to you, you know
what I mean? Something that almost made us both tier up.
If somebody came to our Toronto show with every single
(12:27):
piece of everything we ever.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Did, that's so crazy, you know what I mean? Like
I still have my uh, y'all did like a collapse
shirt with famous stars and straps. I think you guys
opened up for cute we did?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
We did?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, that shirt at the Market Theater and we did
one with the clips too.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, right before everything kind of shut down. Our livest
Real tour room was with the clips.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So like when we was working, we was working on
an album and they was like, yeah, no, we back outside.
I'm like, oh, it's the best time, you know what
I mean. The last time we we put the ball up,
they put the ball up, you know what I mean.
So I think that just kind of understanding how people work,
and the people that like you work, it was easy
for us to.
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you know, I think it's just your guys's influence on
fashion alone. Like I always say this, but like you know,
I think Tigers sometimes gets credit for like bringing snapbacks back.
But y'all did that.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I told him we did.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like y'all brought the snap back a lot, a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
But this just the thing.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Ain't no shout out to bro. Fuck that nigga, man,
this is what I'm talking about. We got documentation these
you guys, videos with dates, videos with dates and times
on them to pre date anything, all them dudes talking about. Man,
it's like, just go do the homework, do the knowledge, man,
Like it's all there.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
It's all documented, and you guys have.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Your fingerprints on like an era And like I feel
like you know him and I because him and I
are you know, similar in age and we're both similar
tasting hip hop. So it's a couple of weeks ago
hit me. It's like, yo, cool kids got to show
a Pac dav And I was like, word, that's fire.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's the That's exactly what we wanted it to be. Like,
So if you knew about it. You know, it's fired,
Like now somebody told you about it and you didn't
know you hearing this fire right, So now we're creating
a whole nother it's new conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I was gonna say, like, your guys is like, how
do you guys kind of look at your guys's legacy
and like, do you guys kind of because I feel
like you guys are underappreciated and definitely underrated when we
talk about the grand scheme of the last twenty years
of hip hop, and.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I feel like we me personally, I feel like we
we are just now beginning to get you know, on
the right foot and get this shit right and get
a fair shake at what we're doing here. And that's
only because the world has shifted now, you know, everybody
(16:44):
sees like the fun and the freedom being snatched away
every day. There's some new shit Netflix just brought, Disney
and HBO and Paramount that's not good. Like we see
this type of shit happening every day. It's new things
and new horrors that the corporations.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Is putting up.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
You got to pay money.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
It's all about being like in a physical space with
the media and with the art now and being able
to like uh, being able to to to to feel it,
you know, something tangible, man. And I think that's definitely
where we we shine at. I think that our personalities,
our presence are you know, our friendship and camaraderie, our relationship,
(17:22):
all that stuff really translates well in the real world again.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
And I think that that currency is starting to go
up again. Man.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
So it's outside and stay.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Working out, stayed you know, stayed in in rap shape,
stayed in mental shape, and you know, stay low and
kept firing like you said, man, And I think that
the cycle is just coming back around now where it's
actually gonna you know, make sense for dudes like us
to really you know, step into the position we wanted to.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
If you when you get into a world where every
single inconvenience that has brought into you has offered a
price to be less inconvenient, mean like, oh, watch this
ad free, Like why the fuck would you put that
is in it? If you know we don't want.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
To see that ship.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, I gotta pay extra five dollars to not be
annoyed by something that you was offering me that should
have made or entertained me. So we got so used
to that small stab, that small stab, like extra fee
pay for leg room, Like why the fuck is the
plane show goddamn small that I gotta pay extra hundred
dollars just to stretch my shit up.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
That's a bad world and that's bad business.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And now it's starting to crumble on itself, like they
they now it's like, oh, put AI in this.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
We don't want it now, what now, y'all?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Two three trillion dollars into this shit in the world
is not gonna fuck with it, bro. And then when
you go outside and you really hear how people are
responding to things, like seeing how they go see showed,
seeing how people are in red lobster again and the
food is good, and fuck all that extra shit, man,
I don't want to pay two hundred dollars to eat
with my family. It's just not gonna go well. And
(18:57):
they thought it was. They're like they just we could
just they'll just keep paying. I'm a wrestling fan and
that's what wide like, I'm a huge dressing fan. So
like w W E just got they got bought by
t k O who owns UFC. Yeah, and they were
just fucking gouging.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Gouging right, it's sad man, You're like damn.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Like I told my kid, I was like, hey, that
ship crazy next year.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
It's like it's like going to see.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
A sports gonna happen to a lot, a lot of
events and a lot of now because people are gonna
do like you're saying, it's gonna come to that breaking
point where they're just like man, funk that we're not
going like I'm not paying and we go watch it
on Street East.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I ain't gonna lie to you. Do you know how
many people I know over this Christmas?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
This is something interesting to bring up, like just outside
like I could be, you know, poking a bear. But
everybody I know that's a grown man with kids and
they talk to their wife what you want for Christmas?
I want to crack firestick. Every man I know, like
back home now, living back in Detroit, popping back and
forth off the Chicago everybody I know, they're like, yeah,
(20:02):
I got the cracked fire stick. I don't even go
to the movies.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I didn't even show the crack firestick where you can
sell them. Yeah you got.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I've been on them for a minute.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
They're back like cook crapy now though.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The point where something you press play on some ship
and it would.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Just be like it's to the point now where it's
to the point now where there's cubes. Now they're like
the fire cube and ship which hold a lot of memory.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
You could put all.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Type of apps from Korea, all types of ship on
there where you're watching movies, series whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, it's been four or five years since I
was you know, Nikkel and Diamond on the side, some
some some.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Good old fire he fu business.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Steal from them, niggas, man, But we talk about.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Create all these goddamn apps. I gotta pay for every
month now. No, I just got to steal all of them.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And you did it like like you get. There's people
with teslas and ship. I know, my man, he got
locked up. He got locked inside his test.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I got a truck.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, they locked inside Tesla.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's wild.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And then Bro Bro, I don't know what happened, but
Bro just made an extra three hundred billion in the
past three weeks. No, he's the richest, he said, Jeff
three hundred No, I know, he's Jeff Bezosberg all combined.
He still got more money than you don't need that
much money. Now now we don't care.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bro. I think the billionaire ship is cooked.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I was treating like.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
That when the fires happened that super wait till something
else happened.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Bro, they go to all this ship.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's why I'm like, I got the I like pre
ordered that cyber truck like five years before it came out.
They put after email and I was like this right before,
like I think I got my ship. I think I
confirmed it in February and I had to pay, and
then by like June it was like, oh fuck, this
fool was like this weekend.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Fesse too, because when he was announcing him like two thousand,
I mean twenty twenty. Around that time, he was like, yeah, yeah,
he's gonna be like forty racks, forty balls. They come out,
he said, a hundo. As soon as they hit the market,
it's like, oh he did the old bait and switch.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I always wonder you guys, was you guys uh when
when Fish Ride Bicycles comes out in twenty eleven. Yeah,
at that point our album comes out, and then it
feels like you guys kind of split away and like
you were you know, like I said, you have a
fucking very slept on incredible catalog as Sir Michael Rocks
as a solo artist, and Chuck you were fucking doing
(22:31):
all your shit producing, going crazy. What was that point
in time where you guys are like, you know what,
like the cool kid shit, let's just put it on
the back burner.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Man, bro I remember that very vividly, man, because around
that time, like you said, it's like twenty eleven, twenty
twelve ish. I remember I was living in Chicago still.
I think he had dipped out to La already. But
you know, we dropped the album, we did some some touring,
and we just knew that the world had hit a shift.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Me personally, I just recognized like, okay, uh Chief Keith
Nim just came out like the drill ship just started popping,
super super crazy. Nobody wanted to hear nothing at that
time but sliding on your ops and and and and
who you're smoking in the blunt, you know what I mean.
So it was kind of like I was like, oh,
(23:25):
it's not really the best time for us to be
just you know, keep on poking people in the back,
like hey, listen to this, listen to this.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
It's like we probably should get this.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Give it this a second, you know, and let's let's
you know, use our other our other skill sets, our other.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Networks, and you know, keep creating.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Obviously, like the whole time, he was still sending me
beats from my solo.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Shit. Uh, he's still sending me songs and she's.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like, oh, yeah, you should do this, you shoot the
video and so and so we still like are very
much in tune and and on the same path and
on the same page. We just knew that as the
cool kids at that point in time, it was time
to like just you know, put that on ice for
a second. You don't you don't let it melt, you
don't let it die, you know, you just put it
on ice and preserve it for when the time is
right again. So we just knew that it was time
(24:13):
to you know, just take some take some alternate routes
for a second, and then we meet back up when
it feels good again, right right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Right, Chuck? Uh, can you talk just about like for
you because production has changed so much. We just talked
to somebody who was saying that they're using like AI
for samples now, Like if they need a vocal sample,
they can get it from AI and then chop it
up and you know which I respect. It is what
it is. But for you as a producer, man, like,
are you still like in the trenches sending out packs?
(24:41):
You know what I'm saying. I don't send no packs.
You gotta call me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I did, But it's like there's certain pride that I
have to my work. Nah, if it's for example, I
send Larry a whole bunch of beats of people that
I didn't kind of you got, you know, of course,
of course, yeah, like send y'all some beats, you know,
like stuff I was doing or I am currently doing
(25:05):
with seafood, saying like I'll pick and choose, but you know,
somebody's manager and are like, chuck, let me get a
pack of beats.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
It's it's cool. It was cool when it was cool.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Now it's not cool because if you sit in the
studio and you peat the psychology, you give somebody a
whole bunch of beats, they're not gonna focus on the
first one they play. They're gonna try to go through
the whole thing and just listen to it was put up,
the next one, put up the next one.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And you can't audition my ship like that.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I worked too hard. You know what I sound like.
If you want something that sound like something, talk to
me about it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Build this communication.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, but yeah, that's it's it's it's quiet storm outside.
For the young producers, a lot of kids, you know,
they saw it as like, all, let's work together and
you put this and put this, and then they get
to the finish line and it come time for splits
and then your man's just slimming you. Or even the
(26:00):
shit that you used was made by somebody else, so
you don't.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Even know it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, not a song on the radio gotta get taken
down because.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
If somebody sent the loop, they didn't get credzy.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
No, because we're in this streaming eror and everything has
to be a transaction. Now if you would have did that,
you know, twenty eleven, twenty ten, that song is on
an album that's being spread worldwide with no transaction, so
the publishing is not really there. It's just energy, right,
(26:31):
you know what I mean. And that's kind of where
the fun gets taken out if you're making stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
That's why there is imp.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Implanation. What I know that word implemented. You know, you
can call it AI, but it's it's just it's just
really like the.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Keyboard and looking for you know, it's the same shit.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You know how many keyboards, core keyboards that have a
pre determined loop, piano run all of those different things.
Music and AI is very very easy to hear. What
is It's not like people are stupid, you know what
I mean. But if you take somebody right now who
(27:15):
wants to use a vocal sample didn't know it was,
you know, like some archie in the drill ship that's
gonna cost you two hundred thousand dollars and put.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
You in a hole that you can't never get out of.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It makes it like incentivizes people to go and use
AI sounds and.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, like I need I need a I need to
acquire to sample.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You don't got that money, bro, So most you know
what I mean, that's how you use it too. Like
it's like when I moved out to l A. I
came out here, like alchemists convinced me to come out here.
And when I got out here, before I got an apartment,
I would just be at his place all day and
then I peeped Matlid was just making beats on anything.
(28:05):
It didn't even matter, and he didn't print out no stems.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, you always hear he made I think bendana on
the iPad pad.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
See, it's the user. It's not really the equipment, you
know what I mean, Like, it's really up to you.
Now there's laziness, it's it's certain trap beats. We're just
like bro that that was a stock. That was stock,
and you just put the same trap drum loop in
the same pack of loops I had. I just didn't
use it right. And now it's you know, on the charts,
(28:34):
it's on Billboard. And when you start rewarding that type
of lack of hard work, I ain't even gonna say
it's a lack of hard work or lack of trying
to identify what your sound is, then everybody's gonna follow it.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
So if producer over here I.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Sed out changed everywhere, Lambo pulling out front of the
restaurants in LA But when you listen to his music,
you're like, damn, what does he even do? Then you
got a whole bunch of kids. It's like fuck with
Chuck Enguish and you know what I'm saying, day and
all of them niggas, fuck what they're doing. We're doing
this because I could get a lambo facts, and that's
(29:15):
really how it starts, and that's how you get outside
of the pocket of things actually mattering in them. Not
because it's it's hard for anybody to scrub two nickels together,
no matter if you got it or you not. Facts,
because I didn't have moments. I got it, looked at
it in my bank account, like shit, three months. I
don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do, right, because
(29:35):
that one check don't turn into two checks sometimes. So
you got these kids that's hungry, and they like, oh,
why wasn't in the streets. I'm in the studio. But
now the studio gonna make you more broke and give
you less of any sort of wins than just going
out there in middleman and something right right right.
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guys obviously had a relationship with Mac. Do you guys
have any Mac Miller stories that you could share something,
so maybe something cool about Mac or the story.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Man Dog Mac.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Not that it's not a particular story, just like a
reflection on like type of dude like he was, because
you know, at this point, I mean from you know,
all of his close friends from like schoolboy Q and
you know Evince everybody who used to just be at
the crib, you know when they have at that uh,
(32:00):
I think it was like Laurel kayan studio crib and shit, man,
Mac was just he's just he just knew how to
be a friend too. Man, He just knew how to
be a friend. Like he had cheer you up. And
he was the one, you know with all the ship
to do. You know, he was the one that had
all the bills to pay. He just let everybody all
(32:21):
the stress, you know, and he just let everybody come
over his crib and fuck his house up and record
and you know, smoke weed and then record songs all day.
And you know, still if you down, he's still gonna
cheer you back up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
When he actually the one like when he.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Moved into that crib that everybody saw where everybody was
pulling up. We was on tour with him, and then
when we got off tour, he bought that crib. And
then when we pulled back up because I lived, I
had just moved to La through and we all went
our own way after the tour was over, which turn
into just like you know, like the first week of
(32:58):
school with some news you just met, like with his
whole team and all that, and then us riding through
the buses and and when we did the tour, he
took care of us, cast us out per show and
made sure we had a bus. They didn't even we
didn't even have to know we was inconvenience, not one time.
And then when we got back off tour, just you
(33:19):
know the way I am. I'm I'm an at home
type of person. I know where it's supposed to be
be candles in all my dishes be washed. You're like, Chuck,
I need it like this, send me the bed bathroom
beyond with his credit card, Like just do what you
would do. So like the Buddha heeads and all that shit,
that's just me being like, hey, bro, put this ship
in here, so on.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Field, So you helped with the interior decord.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I grabbed it for him with it I ain't I
ain't buy it, but picked it out.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, I went to the big bathroom beyond up the street.
So all that like layout was.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Me being like, bro, you need a rug, you need
this get you know what I'm saying, Like, y'all gonna
blow this bitch down, so you're gonna need some candles.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Like, and I think really contributed to me just being like, man,
the little homies trust me. And it's like you don't
get that too much. I know people say that ship
all the time. You don't get people. You don't get
people like him that are doing this now.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
You don't run into that, not with.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
As much leverage as yet where he could put his
finger on something and and and you know that ship
ripple out. So it's like the whole network from when
like Earl and Vince and q us, you.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
It was just a beautiful time to be honest with
you because it's like over and over on the other side,
it's like we're doing that as crib. It's all this
connection that was happening, and he was just a big
part of it, you know, Like I told somebody else,
it's like a cognitive distance thing in reverse.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
It's like I missed him so much.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I just don't be thinking about like like I'm not
going back and forth with the memory he's in my
head over that because I'm still pissed about it. Right,
That's one of them things I can't never get over.
Like I know people that have been shot, been in
car crashes, all sorts of shit, Like my brain can
make sense of it. I can't make sense of this one. Yeah,
that one, it don't make sense. It's like and no
offense to her, but it's like Timmy Levado just od
(35:18):
off a speedball and she got to live, right, So
it's like no offense to her.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
But like that's how it was making me.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Feel, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Like my man like to get a little high like
that Dad, he knew how to fucking kick it.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I've watched him do it right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
So it's just this is one of them things you
want to get, that you want, you want that lick back.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
A little bit. Yeah, I mean it's sad because it's like,
I feel like we started to kind of realize through
famous people losing their life that this shit ain't the
same like it was, you know, ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
No facts.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, we've seen that shift, man, and then you know,
shortly there, you know, Mac passed.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
It was just.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Another wave of even younger kids, you know what I'm saying,
all due to like, you know, the same causes of
just different substances and the game changing with the substances.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Man, and the ship just kind of.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Hit a fever pitch where it's like everybody need to
take a take a pause real quick. We need to
see what the fuck is going on, doll, because everybody
just dropping and that was a wild time.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Uh. Who do you guys have in your personal Let's
just say, I don't want to say the because I
feel like y'all were before the blog era. You guys
are very active in a certain specific era of hip hop,
what's called the blog era. Who would you put as
your mount Rushmore the blog er each year?
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Hmm? But us, Okay, Yeah, I definitely feel like we.
I just feel like we gotta be there. We gotta
be there.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I feel like you guys laid the foundation.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
We gotta be in there.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
We walked through the part that was a little bit
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You guys did the framing of the house.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
But yeah, and then we didn't sign. We didn't get up
we didn't get upstreamed.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
We had to stay down here and still like keeping
hill on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, some bullshit.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Remember thinking that. I remember being like this ship got engulfed.
You went to jail for some stupid ship. Like it's
almost like you didn't even have to do It's like that.
But look look what happened to you. So what I
say about like that, that that that particular you know,
we we had to keep We had just like everybody
(37:37):
upstairs kicking it. We downstairs making sure the refrigerator stay stopped.
But I would say us honestly bro us currency and
whiz because they made it. They made it work. The
business wise, he's he's pretty much like he's pretty much
like if you had to show what it looked like
(38:01):
on the financial tip of what the business model of
what we was doing and.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Just he hep. I just remember the quant like the
quantity of music Spinner was putting out.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
But he tuned that. He tuned that because that's the
way his fan base.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I remember it was like every month they liked no
for sure.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Yeah, but there's certain people that's not that good.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
So the more output you do, people start realizing certain
people who are not.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Certain people who certain people think is the greatest rapper
of all time for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
So it's like you listen to any any random Spit album,
it's the beats is crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I also think like him and that he kind of like,
at least for like a certain era kind of made
like I look at Covert Coop is like everybody's like, oh,
we can't do like a whole album with a producer
that sound type. I mean, we grew up with that,
but I mean for like, for that like of course
you know obviously gangst are clips clips of course, biggy,
(39:05):
but I just mean like, for like, you know, the
newer era is like you know it kind of I
feel like it was kind of the genesis of like
so much that we got after that, right.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
And it's like we we we equate, you know, the
stuff and the blogger like it's this, it's in this
vacuum when there's so many things that happened before it
happened after. But it was like we were the first
ones in the not cder and we had CDs, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
So people just seeing it like, oh, you put your
music out on the internet.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Only I can't even tell you how many times we
would hear you put it out on the internet.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Now it's not what the fuck else could you put it?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
There is no other way to put out music.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
About three, three week, four week lead times.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
So you could get your ship mixing master because there
is no other way around.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
You couldn't put.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It out on the CD that was being distributed or
bought up and packaged with out certain levels being in
what's that ship called parameters being met because it had to, right,
So we kind of like lowered or loosen those rules
by doing the same quality of music but putting it
(40:15):
so it's on a zip. So instead of doing it
the way you used to do it, when you bootlegged it.
Here's the butleg right here. So I think that we
took a lot of shrapnel coming through the door off
that because from the bands, but like from the old
Guard that was like, who the fuck are y'all ruining
this ship?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, by the time you guys put out Bake Sale,
I feel like it was like like shit had been
out for a minute. Yeah, it was like it was
I was like, oh, I could buy this now we
do that.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
And then get caught in the crossfire and the wood
Chipper and now we had to take what was our
first album and split it up into three mixtapes. So
gun Fishing, tackle Box, when First Ride Bicycles, that was
all one album, right, Like like if we could have
hit them with that type of concentration, it's gonna tell me.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I think that's where the I think that's where like
the reverse of you know, being able to release music
freely comes into play. I think that's where the negative
came in because back then you would, uh, you would
only get certain coverage and only get certain looks if
it was an official album, you know what I mean.
(41:22):
Like even though those mixtapes and Ship there were all
original songs original beats. It wasn't no like rapping over
instrumentals or somebody else's beat like a mixtape in that way.
But to get the real like coverage for like you know,
your your magazines and your promos and all the Rolling
Stones and had to be official released.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You know, Big was here just came out and everybody
was like, is this the album of the year, But
is it an album? Mixtape? Yellow Truck it.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Was like it was a It was a complicated complicated times.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Definitely like before all that ship or sure. I mean,
like you said in MYCE like that's really like a
lot of motherfuckers just finding joints on MySpace.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
So, you know, were our manager she told us recently,
she was like, yeah, I went back and looked. She said,
y'all have five million fans or follow whatever they called
them on MySpace. Yeah, And I was like, Yo, that's
crazy because like that's back when a social media platform
could literally like die, like for real like die Like nowadays,
Facebook it'll never die, Instagram never gonna die.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
X it ain't never going to die. They're just two
huge of entities now, you know.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
But MySpace, that's back when you could just die. You
lost all of that ship. You know, I think we
lost cod low key. Yeah, it's like that in that
transition to we just lost a lot of people just
they they just didn't know where to look for us,
you know, after MySpace kind of imploded, So that transition
was just it was a crazy time for that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, you know, they just they just said the deserver
that it was hosted on, they just unplugged it.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, you funny. I had a bunch of pictures on
my Space that I was like, I guess that always
they'll always be there, you know, is gone.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
I wish it was, man, it was some it was
some stuff.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
It was some memories on there.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Man. Holy And then I remember like Justin Timberlake bought
my Space and.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
I was like, maybe j T bring you back.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
He tried and he wanted. He was going. He was
there for a lot of stuff we was doing. That's
what showed us that, like, Okay, this is different.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah for sure, Justin shoutut to Justin. Man, you guys
do have to run to the show. But it is
the end of the year. Outside of your guys's body
of work. Who do y'all got this rap album of
the Year and uh.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Rap album of the Year. It's been so much ship
this year. I can.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Clips right is the obvious answer to the clips.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Of album of the Year.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I love, I like, I like, I liked it a lot,
but like this is this is what I'm trying to say.
Like there hasn't been just like the definitive five mic
album of the year for me personally. Man, what I
have experienced this year is some artists that have done
very very well this year with their just body of
(44:22):
work period throughout the year or the year prior and
all that one that I could say for show that's
just you know, been.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
Keeping my attention all year.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
It's been King Hendrix man think you Out and thank
you from Houston. Yeah, you know he'd be Babyface ray
and on them. But dog Man like that ship, his
new ship all throughout the year. That shit really got
me like back excited again the right ship and made
this ship you know interesting again. You know, I've just
(44:54):
been really impressed, you know, with just just a pen
and his approach.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
To the ship. I'm you know, big man, what.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
About you check?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I mean, my my taste doesn't just stop at uh
hip hop music as much as I'm you know, got
a seat at the table.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
What I listened to over and over and over and
over again.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
It's a dude named Harrison Harrison, like a new.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
Jazz Yeah, yeah, yeah, Harrison Hard Harrison go crazy.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
That's one of the first artists in a long time
where like it don't matter, it don't matter what song
comes on or off, what album is on. I'm like, yeah, jazz,
yeah that, And it's like a new It's like, it's
not jazz jazz, it's a new jazz bro Like, I
don't know how the funk he's doing it, but it's
(45:53):
like jazz fun jazz.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Like it's crazy, Mom.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Grol Genevieve, Like I listened to her album one time,
just doing We're friends too, Like you know what I mean.
I just I don't listen to it when it comes out.
Ain't no way I'm about to put an album on
at midnight. Now I'm back on the East Coast. Fuck that,
Like nine pm on a Friday is a terrible time
to drop an album. So I listened to it when
(46:20):
I get my time, and then I always try to
listen to stuff where it's practical. So if I'm matching
my socks after I just did laundry. Great time to
put on an album, you know what I mean, Like
you gotta hand washing dishes because you cook big ship
washing and then you got the got the dishes, You
got the dishes, the dicks you got to put in
the dishwasher, and then you got them last few.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
You gotta hand wash that little cycle, that little forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (46:42):
It's a good time to listen to albums.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Either that or a podcast. Put the headphones in, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, I or you know, going for a long
walk like the walk to the farmer's market.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, some ship. Give me a hip hop album though
clips clips respect it and it grew on me.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Hmm, so like the first I mean I could be
honest with you.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
You know, I grew up and you know, for that
was who I wanted to be like as as as
a teenager. So I like listen to his ship like
a little bit harder than I would like to, Like
I still want that, Like, why you not fucking.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Me up right now?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Bro? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (47:20):
Like I don't even want to hear I don't want
to hear none of that progressive shit.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
You I feel you Why do you not have album?
Speaker 6 (47:27):
No, but it's like, why do you know how to
chop her out?
Speaker 4 (47:29):
And now I'm like, oh, you actually did it right,
you you you crafted it to what they was about
to tell. And then when I saw the show live
in Detroit, I was like, oh, it makes the most sense.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Such a good show.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
So it was like.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Ship, I like being in the world where they the
ones and we we you know we what I said.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I said, man, like this year is it very Like
I'm trying to put together my top ten albums just
for a video we're gonna do, and I'm like, man,
it's it's hard to pick ten.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Yeah, but see, that's what we gotta we gotta.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
We gotta figure out how to celebrate things without scoring
them up. Like it's like it's a Parla's kind of
what I got. What I mean, that's what you got to.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You got to.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
But I think that the mass amount of things that
are coming out, I think people need to get in
the habit of just listening more.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, because I'm like, Bodie James had a great year obviously,
Alfredo two is incredible, Bruiser Wolf is fucking dope, like.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Yeah, rappers, rap rappers, good man, Like it's been a
good year.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
For rap album Just it's like, what a fucking right there?
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Man?
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, it makes sense though, you know what I mean,
Like you know l It's like two people I know
for a fact they're always practicing and they're always working
on It's Travis Barker. I never seen the man not
with a drum pad like we went on tour with,
like we got tons of songs anytime I walked up
on him or was in his comfortable space like that
(48:59):
is how he not even on the drum right, I
ain't never seen out in his spot, not in front
of the NPC unless we order food or we like
get going outside to make a run. So when it
comes down to, you know, work ethic, people get kind
of lost in that what that sauce is.
Speaker 6 (49:18):
The ethic ain't just the grind.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
It's like how long are you willing to sit with
your machine til you figured out how to do that?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Like how did you stretch that samples until you made
it fit into time?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (49:30):
And that's what makes.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
It original, That's what what what brings out in what
they say cream Rise.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
To the Top.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think he's figured out too, Like if you are
a dope producer like we'll say you or Havoc or whoever,
like Yo, man, like don't sit on beats like you know,
like he's revolutionized, like the vinyl shit too, like like
you know he was telling me how like you know,
he had to kind of convince evidence from dilated peoples
(49:59):
to be like, Yo, you got to go on one
of these runs where you do whole albums and right,
you know, I think if you're a producer like yo,
like lock in. You know what I'm saying, like shout
out to uh to al though, man, but look, the
new album is out. The shows tonight? Is this? How
many is this the last day on the tour? How
many dates on the tour?
Speaker 5 (50:18):
We got Chicago, that's the last one of course in Chicago,
you know where it all started at, starting.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
To Detroit and Crazy Crazy. You know what's funny is
like you guys being from those two different places. I'd
never been to the Midwest, and we would spend like
a week and a half in Detroit and I realized
I was like, oh Chicago. My boy was like, YO,
should drive down to Chicago, and hey, I'm like drive
Like I was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
This shit is not that fuck around the corner had
fucking Canada, like you could throw a football fucking hit Canada.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Yeah, you got that, that's right there.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Yeah for sure. You know that's how we came up
as kids. You'd be nineteen and go across being.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
An influential Detroit Jesus, the Detroit ship right now is
influencing everybody, like it's fucking crazy Detroit.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah, and the Pistons is good, thank god, right, the
Lion is good, the Tigers is good.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
We're in a good spot.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
And the lines are okay. The Bears are good.
Speaker 7 (51:11):
Bears good. We've been good in a long time, y'all.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Y'all have y'all got the last And as a sportsman,
if you're a Bears fan, the next three games are
the hardest out of anybody that's in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
The Lions are on the outside looking in right now.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
We're gonna stump them up hole And like the first
time I'm watching it, I know who Ben Johnson is,
y'all don't.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I definitely don't believe in Williams, but he and y'all
got what's the little white boy's name?
Speaker 7 (51:39):
Giddy Josh?
Speaker 6 (51:41):
Josh, Josh, sweet Josh.
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Now the Bulls that's really my team. Like the Bears,
they've hurt.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Me so much.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
We're out my childhood that I kind of hated them
for a long time. But the Bulls, I'll be riding
with them.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Kobe, Kobe White, uh Man.
Speaker 7 (51:56):
I don't know what the hell happened this year.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Trade them last year, Bro, that's it.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
Sometimes got a little hurt and came back a little different.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
You know, you gotta get a haircut. You gotta hit
a haircut that's gonna help his game.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
You can't hoop with them on the Bulls.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
We gotta sell some players. We gotta trade some ship,
We gotta figure some You.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Guys have been avoiding the fucking rebuild for like eight years. Anyway.
Speaker 6 (52:16):
Appreciate you guys, and thanks for having the kids go support.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Appreciate you all. Y'all a legends
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