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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Botleg Cap Podcast, Boutlet cav Show. We got a special
guest in here. I just told him at the very
moment he has my second favorite album of twenty twenty five.
Crazy Dog. It's up. It's it might it might ease
into one, but yo, Rayvaughon, what's the deal. Good to
see you, buddy, Good to see you again. Yeah, I
(00:20):
told you. Man like this album. I feel like as
we're considering this a mixtape, it's a mixtape. A mixtape.
I mean, fuck man, we've been waiting for this album
for seven fucking years. Niggas do not respect the mixtape.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, everybody's an.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Album, Okay, this mixtape is very much the music that
I have been waiting for you to release. The level
of vulnerability on here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Just what you know me for it from like years back.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Correct. And it's also like, you know, I wonder the
first thing I wanted to ask you is you know
this is such a personal album, and it's a personal
album not just for you, but for your family. Do
you play this for family members to kind of like
let them know that hey, certain shits talking about No, no,
no no, It's just like, yo, it comes out when
(01:09):
the music comes out. Do you get feedback from like
some of the people that maybe you spoke on in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The most of the time they be like, man, I
appreciate you for like putting that out right, I appreciate
you for doing that. I'd be like, I don't care
if you like it or not. Right, it's like asking
mission to be vulnerable. It's crazy. It's my perspective. You
feel about it? How do you feel about it? Anybody
fox me over? Would you consider there's a concept project?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Conceptual a little bit. It was like a lot of
the like it was kind of tied in like at
the end of some of the skits, and and then
I feel like we get to the end and it's
kind of like, yeah, it's so good. Which is the
is the Because you know, the Shasta record is such
a personal song about your mom. I relate to that
because my son's mom who just passed away from addiction. Unfortunately,
(01:56):
he like, you know, I was listening to you in
the car with him, and I kind of tell he
was like, you know, like I feel like that ship.
That's the type of record that speaks to so many
people who are dealing with having like an unstable parent
who's dealing with addiction.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Is not just it's not just like for me, it's
for everybody, you know what I'm saying. For Like everybody
who hear that that's like you said, denner with that
or dealt with it at some degree or level of
capacity where it's like it's gonna speak to them and
they're like, damn, even if it's your son, right, you
know what I'm saying to me?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I feel like that's important to make records.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Is it hard to like, when you're recording a song
like that, are you able to record a song like
that with a studio full of people?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, because that's what it's gonna be. The plan is
for it to be performed.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The worldwide, right, So I don't give you can't record.
I don't know if it's like, yo, I gotta be
alone just to lay this one down.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I have one song like that. I have one song
not on the project, but y'all gonna hear later. But
I have one song like that that was like, I
just it needs to just be me an engineer.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Can't be nobody else.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They ain't gonna be able to get through it because
it the.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Song I heard that maybe want to cry? Yeah? Mm
hmmm years ago when I heard it, Yeah, such a
good man.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, so it's like that. Other than that, now I'd
be like, oh it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Was miles away from Heaven you wrapping from the perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Of your mom no no na, like someone where the
perspective is messed up where people think like my mom
was a was a drug adud and my mom is
an alcoholic and my mom suffered from schizophrenia and like depression anxiety,
like that type of shit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So it's like that's what flas Shots about.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Flat Shots is a song about like somebody missing they
screws or like yeah, and then bubbles bubbles growing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You would only know this too, right because like alcohol
adds to those metal disorders and like an insane way.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Get crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So but it gives me it when you know what's wrong,
it makes you able to be able to give them grace,
you know what I'm saying. For one and then but
like miles Away from Heaven is more so like my
other family that's dealing with addiction, where it's like those
perspectives second verses more to me where it's like depression
anxiety and shit like that when I used to be
I'm not no more.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm in a good space. I'm good. That was like
years ago, but in that timeframe now, I'm like, straight.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, do you feel like you had to get through
because you've had so much grief and so much shit
to deal with? I mean, fuck, if you listen to
this album and like you didn't know anything about Ravone
and be like, damn, this motherfucker's been through a lot
of it. Motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Like, man, I want to give you a hug. I'm like,
I'm good, right, they seem I'm like, I'm good, right,
you know what I'm saying. You mean me, I'm good.
I don't have no It was.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
For you, like, because this has been like such a
journey since you signed a TD to get like I said,
to kind of get to this pobous you've been on
tour was a and you know you've had viral moments
and people know you, you know what I mean. But like,
was this like that like your first project under TD,
where you feel like you kind of like like let
people in for real?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, I feel like this the most vulnerable I've ever
been in music like period, even on my old freestyles.
I wasn't this vulnerable where it's like and making them songs.
It was just freestyles. Now these are songs that people
can keep playing over and over and over and over
and over and over. But that's kind of like the
space I was in when I was making that, Like
I'm gonna just be me, unapologetically give vulnerability as much
(04:57):
as I can for myself and then put it out
people with.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You should really get beat with the boiled extension cord.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I didn't say me, I said my cousin.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But they used to boil the extension cord.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
My auntie heard me in my face for the bottle
and said sorry when the damage was done and actuality
was really posed to land on her son billed the
extension cords to beat him on his back.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So it's stune, it's real life, like real right here.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
There's a little his car, yeah, like and then my
eyes like if I cool my eyes like she threw
a bottle, was trying to hit him, and that ship
broke on me. I never told my mom my mom
would to beat the ship out of Oh yeah, that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's the thing that she pulled you off to the side,
says look, she didn't tell me that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I just knew you kind of knew. I knew my
mom would have beat the ship out of her. So
I'm like, I'm never even gonna tell her my mom
would have beat the fuck out that woman. What did
you what did you tell your fighting with my cousins
playing we was playing the sure and she kind of like, yeah,
I'm saying, just let it go, but yeah, that's what happened.
But that day she like boiled the extension cord beating
put him up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
On the Devil's wife.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Motherfucker. I'm like, oh, Ship, I don't want to come
over here, the more.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It would be the last time I come over here.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And I'm over here and what your Nigga's crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I'm linking and watching my kids. It's crazy to get
fed up with an extens crazy Holy Ship, are you
still tight with this aunt? She is? She still around?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, she's still around, But like we ain't. We ain't
really tight. We just like she's around. Yeah, yeah that
makes sense, that makes sense. Yeah, no, it's it's It's
fucking an amazing album. And I love some of these
feature choices, like I love to see you working with
you know tomorrow someone who's she's so far incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
She's fire. I've seen her.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
On on this tour with I was on the tour
with A and then she popped, like she popped. I'm like,
this girl, I wanted to see what she brought. And
I'm like, all right, oh yeah, she fired. Immediately I'm like, okay,
she fired. Then I found out we got the same birthday.
Oh you guess the same day, Like oh yeah, it's over,
like and then we just locked in. Me and I
have just been friends ever since. She's so talented, like
(06:51):
she's like one of those people who like I see
me like growing with you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I try, I try to get most of the signer
like four years ago. That happens. Yeah, and then he
hit me like two years ago, was like, yo, she's
still about, Like I think she's I don't think sobody,
it's too late. I think he's too late. But up
he get missed out man, He said, yeah, I think
it's yeah, but hey, talk to me fast forward albums out.
It's doing well. You're the kind of the flag waiver
(07:21):
of this this West Coast movement against Joey Badass that
happened a couple of weeks ago, and I think it
was all in good Sport, by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I think it wasn't it It started in January?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I know, but but I feel like obviously the
cipher responded, cipher came, responded.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He finally responded after like three months, and then like
that's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh right, you know what I'm saying, so that you're
definitely right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It was almost like the cipher was like the point
of like Okay, the cipher's out and that's it kind
of just stirred up everything again. Yeah, yeah, brought it
back up.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He responded, was like okay, well I'm not gonna say
anything else until he respond responded and then his eye
for so now we're in gaze.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That was That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I just felt like it was a I feel like
it was it was in good Sport. I just feel
like it got muddy with everybody else being involved. That's
that's kind of like where it's like I don't I
don't because it looks it's gonna look a certain way
because like.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
On one person. So it's kind of like it just.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Felt like everybody was like throwing their hat in the ring,
and I understand to a certain extent, like, but at
the same time, it was like, it's just like you said,
it became muddy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it just got muddy to where it's like I
for showed the noise because he was kind of the
only guy standing over there. And if you're getting packed
out and like staying and you're standing up and you
don't fall, niggas gonna all automatically look at you, like.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And then Joey fucking got the funk. I mean, joe
is one of the great.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's that's what I said. I was telling somebody. I'm like,
first of all sport, it's not even no real beef
me and him doing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Like of course, I'm sure if you guys saw each
other today, it'd be you guys talk about each other
like yeah, that line was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It's not like no no space of like like he
he trying to kill somebody on time. It's not that
he ain't we ain't on that. It's rap. It's real rap.
It's real rap though, don't get it twisted. It's like
you know what I'm saying, it's real rap, but from
a space of like it's good for the sport. We
got all the fucking podcasters, we got all the hip
(09:21):
hop media talking about hip hop, not get ready to line,
not who's texting who? Not, who's fucking Who's man? It's
hip hop? Yeah, great hip hop. Whereas like everybody else
who jumped in, they still they got more like than
they've ever had in their career.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Too.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You're getting reviewed and uh reacted to by people with
millions of views. So for me being like the again,
the flagship nigga of that, whereas like I'm the person
who felt the way the most, and I'm the person
who jumped out the face and said, so I fuck
with the fact, Like I'm one of the reasons that
niggas felt.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Compelled to like, no, let's rap, let's rapp. I'm all
for that. It was all sport, it's all you know
what I'm saying, It's all good.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
My favorite record that you dropped was the Golden Ny
One Disrespectful Him. Yeah, it was good. Disrespectful. Yeah. What
was your favorite Joey record?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Finals? Hard Finals? Probably my favorite Joey record.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I liked Crash Nummy though Crash was sick cool, Like
it's just it's I like the hook and I like
the beat.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I feel like the beat was just automatic.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Like when he brings in loaded Lucks, are you like,
I hope you don't say nothing about me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Loaded Lux is different Loaded LUs. I feel like a
loaded Lux daylight think is really what we gotta Yeah,
that was more a daylight for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I ain't did nothing to this man, right right right
right fuck it like I'm gonna thuk it out.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's just like allright, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think it was pretty evident, like yo, this is
all like you know, at the end of the day,
like abs So and Joey, I went to that tour
to when they were on tour together. I went to
that show. You know, I interviewed both of those guys
on the same tour bus that that tour. So I
thought I was dope that that cipher came out and
it kind of showed everybody like this is hip hop.
This is some rap ship. It's hip hop.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like rap, we can do it. He'll say it
in front of it like it's just it's hip hop.
So it's just it was good for the sport and
the TDST ship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I was I wonder what Top thinks about this what
the TD East it got the he got the LLC
in the website.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh, like that's shit funny, Like this Sh'S hilarious. We
laugh like it's like, oh he trolling. He laughed at
that ship like it's funny. It's not like we don't.
Like I said, it just is what it is hip
hop and and most like most importantly, we got everybody
tuned in to hip hop. What I'm saying, I feel
like people started tuning in late. They're like, oh, what's
next going on? Like bro, it was like thirty eight
(11:40):
songs dropped in like four days.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh, it was a lot to the output. Was Were
you just like on standby with a mic?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was out of town, like doing doing business, so
like it just it just was like I'm like finding studios, So.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're just like, yo, I gotta get that. You're not
like Scarlett in the hotel room with a shitty mic,
Like we gotta fucking yeah. Were you like proactively like
I'm gonna do five today just just in case I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
There's too much stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So it's like for me what I had going on,
I wish you know what I'm saying, but it was
it was overall.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like it was like it's like I said,
it's just to me.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The only thing that made me like because it gets
much so money where it's like, damn, I can't even
get the fair one for sure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But other than that, like, well, thank.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You man, thank you, because as a hip hop fan, I.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Enjoyed everybody tuned in, everybody like, yo, this rap, this
is what we're here for.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So I'm me personally like I enjoyed what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right right right right, for sure, you got with l
Russell on this new project too. Who's somebody who's by
the way. Nobody in the bay replied, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You said, Nobody from the bay replied to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The Joey things, Yeah, I think symbol was close. A
symbol might have. He didn't reply, but I know he
thought about it. He probably did. You know. He was
here and he was like should I And I told
him I said, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Because this is not for you money. But but if
you would, if I would have respected it, like yeah,
I get it. Everybody who wanted to get something, they
get the sh off. I think I seen the son
that made me like, I think it was gap Dad.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He's he had a point where he was like, yo, man, I.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Don't think that was a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I feel like it was like Jada, like you with them,
it's like did y'all that's y'all fight?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You know what I'm saying. And I think when we
think of West Coast sometimes like it's still on one coach.
I agree shout out to you know, I always say
Arizona's west coast, West coast.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
West coast just felt like that, and I'm like me
being a flagship Nigga.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Is like it felt. But it did feel like to
me l a ship low key. It felt like everybody
from l A. Even though that's because everybody from la
is jumping in. We're not talking about responding to what
he said though the inn everywhere line. Yeah, on what
the actual problem is because it's so many other people.
The actual problem is he literally disrespected the West Coast,
(13:59):
you know what I'm saying, So anybody who jumped in,
that's why it's like muddy, but it's still like fair
because you disrespected the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Entire like entirety. So if anybody else jump in. That's
what it is, you know what I'm saying. But it
just gets muddy when it's too many people on one
person for sure. But I'm saying for that common When
he said that, I was just like, damn. They kind
of like look like if a nigga got his opinion
of like oh who, they feel like, oh this this,
this wins as whatever your case is. Well, when it's like,
(14:29):
oh that's you all fight is like I was just like,
damn that kind of like for sure on my head
at it.
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(17:00):
actually physically get in and.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now oh we went we went in.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, I went up there and I need to like
a young master, p bro. You went up there, drove
up there. It's amazing, right, yeah, me and me, we drove.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He went to his house.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, his compound. Oh you got to do the crib.
The crib in Vallejo. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Then he had it like a compound like basketball court
in the back.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, studios all this other sh is that good company? Shit?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So his house he grew up in is where he
has the shows in Vallejo. And we went, I don't know,
three years ago, three and a half years ago when
he first started, and like he's still in his bedroom,
Like it's so funny to see his bedroom is his studio.
But it also was like there's like a whiteboard where
he broke down like a calendar of like what's going
(17:45):
to get posted every day, and it was just like
it was just crazy because it's like this really, this
fool is like really just creating his own playbook and
like fuck you if you like it, if you don't
like it, it doesn't matter. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He really innovative, and I'm like, when I've seen that,
I'm like, damn, he's like a young master pe over
the Yeah, he like he really trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And I'll fuck with him for that heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I went up there. He did that ship. We made
like three songs. Yeah, he's quick. He's quick. He's very quick.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Go you don't overthink it, all right, go to the
next one. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's crazy, man. Different for me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I'll be in a mother fucker Like I got to
make sure the double on tondre connects.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You know what I'm saying. I just like everything about it,
but that nigga fire.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, I feel like you've done a really good
job of like creating another revenue stream the last like
six years or so writing for a lot of artists.
Are you still in that bag? Are you? Like fully,
I'm just getting back into it.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I kind of like stepped away from it, Like I
kind of like I for trying to focus on my
ship so I don't give nobody a hit.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Please, that's kind like I think I was.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I wanted to get to the point where I was
gonna say, please just focus on your ship and say
we get this project.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, it's just me. So it's like this is just
me locked in on me. But then when it's like, oh,
other time, it's like marketing this tour, right even me,
like selling tickets is like other shit. I'm not even
giving a fuck about the studio. But if somebody needs
me into like for them, than it's cool. But my
own project, I'm not in.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
This space to be. But you've written for like I mean,
when you've reaan for Hello people, Yeah, but when you
write for like, let's say, Danny lay H, you put
yourself mentally in the perspective of a female. Yeah. The
great writers are able to kind of write from those perspectives.
Do you ever have an idea or you see some
shit going on and you're like, oh shit, that'd be
crazy if someone rose. I mean, it's not my song,
but I got the idea. I'm gonna put it in
(19:23):
my notes, like I want to write this song for
someone else to sing.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I probably have, but it's not often. I try not
to think about studio when I'm not in the studio.
It's more like you got to be in with that person. Yeah,
I gotta be in with that person because they feel
more connected to it when they feel like you wrote
they wrote it with you, and it's like, oh, I'm
connected with it. Because if you just come in like hey, here, here, here,
they're like, Nigga, I didn't write.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
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What has been the most interesting writing session you've been
(20:06):
a part of? MM?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The most interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I can't even say, because they own people don't know
that they have writers.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh ship man, I'll say the craziest session I've seen
you at what the fucking game? When he was at
he had Chalice on lock for the Oh my god,
it was like fucking a million people and it was
like just Cipher's cracking off in the fucking studio. Fucking
symbol was that you walk in and see a girly there?
That happened to you? I gotta ask, I don't know
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that's a problem. Did that happen to somebody? Yeah? Oh yeah,
that's rough.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like you walk in see Washington and seen his girly there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I hope they weren't together too long. I hope they
I hope they don't save children. I could share some
children if that city. Did he crash how and now
he didn't crash out?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
He tried to keep it like composure, but it's like
thirty niggas in there, and it was like, oh my god,
your girl part of the hose.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'd have melted.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm would have crashed ouse.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Autogra I mean respectfully auto grab her hand and been like,
can I talk to you outside?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't eve want to talk?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What we need to talk about, bitch, we over. She
already know that when she's seen me walking get your
ship over here. Now she seen me walk through the doors,
she would already know that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Like, oh, oh, I see what you're on clap City.
Huh huh. This isn't where you told me you were
going to be tonight. I mean you here, what did
you think of the complex? List of LA rappers that
came out. Do you think you deserve to be in
the fifty yet in the fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I don't think I deserve. I'm working for what I
deserve right now. I feel like if they do the cool.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I respect that because I think I've seen a lot
of rappers angry that they didn't make that list that I've.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
A funk about nobody lists.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well. Also like a lot of people who are like
certainly like hey, like you're great, like you're fine, like
but like you're at the beginning of your last I.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Just started my legacy.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I don't give a funk about nobody lists right gratefully, like,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I was on all the games.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
But that's because he knows me, so he's like, bro.
Once they see what I see, it's over. I don't
care about that ship though I don't know. I don't
get wrapped up in people lists. I don't give at
The only nigga lists who pissed me off that was
able to get into my skin was was the Nigga
Day John Paul.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He does work hard. Where did he give you give me?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Like a d or a f I'm like, Nigga, I'm
really better than a lot of these niggas.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's why, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I was like, but I think it was because
I haven't dropped so when I dropped music, he kind
of was like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I've never met that guy, but you know he's still
doing his thing. And yeah, you know he had a
thing with DJ Head, which kind of keeps him all
the way over there. For me, his head's like my brother. Yeah. Yeah,
I feel like the top three is the only thing
that you can't really Would you put Tupac in the
l A list though, because I say no, because I
feel like he got cracking in the bay first.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
For LA list, I'm gonna put two back on it. Okay,
I don't put two back on it. I won't put
two back on the list and make sure that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
There's one flag making my life living hell right now.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
By the way, Yeah, Tupac for sure two pots on
that list period to me. On that list though, number
one of like West Coast rappers Snoop, I think I
think the most like influential, like notable artists from the
West that he can go anywhere on in the country.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Everybody know who he is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No matter what, he's definitely top two or three most
famous person on the planet.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So if he's that, how is he not who's bigger
than him? In the West Coast rap? Who's bigger than him?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
We're not talking about skills, We're talking about who's bigger
than Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, I think if you like look at the criteria.
I think if you look at isn't I feel like
that the top three to me is undisputed in any
you could just because it's ice Cube, Snoop, Kendrick. However
you feel about where those three should be, those are
the three. Outside of that, I'm not mad at that. Tupac,
you can make it. I mean, I just I don't
(24:09):
I think Tupac, you know, like you had like a cool,
like two year run in LA you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm oud at that. I'm literally not out at that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But Q was like NW a five Mike album, you know,
movies also very famous.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Like I'm not I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, but I do think the top two is Kendrick
and Snoop. Personally, I wasn't mad at it because I
think Kendrick's the third greatest rapper of all time at
this point. So that's OK. Were you you were able
to go to the UH Grand National Tour fire, Yeah,
it was pretty great. Would you get do you still
get inspired when you see Ship?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like yeah, you go, I go and I see like
you see you see Kendrick doing that, and you're like, damn,
I want to be This is a stadium.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And it's rap and you know these people, it's a stadium.
That's the craziesth it is. They're like, wait a minute,
I'm so close to this situation. It's got to be
like I'm really like I'm within the arms reach, right, Ship,
I can.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Call him, It's possible. I can call him, right, I
can call him. I'm on the phone with him when
when I'm going at Joe, Ay fuck with this. So
you're getting feedback, Yeah, I always get feedback. You don't,
Ship still don't come out just like like it's just
it don't.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's still got a protocol. Everything gotta get it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Like, was there anything that you that Kendrick any notes
Kendrick gave you about any of the records, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
If anything is like take something out.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I can't take that out. Like maybe it's a little
too far. No, no, but just like a libs like
take them out, libs out. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It ain't never if it wasn't like it's like or
if it's not, it just.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Didn't come out, that's great. So there were records that
you cut that he's didn't fuck with, You're like, I
got you something else.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Not just he didn't funk with.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's just like, Okay, it's like before Golden and I
come out, it's like these these other records is like, oh,
we could do this and that's not a good a
golden nice fire. But I'm saying like it's still it's
still the way we run TD is still the same same,
Like you know what I'm saying down the line and like, oh,
because you're still speaking when they post it is going on.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
TD page, going on TD's YouTube.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, So what I'm saying, it's like, Nigga, you're speaking
and it's coming from marside.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So make sure that we all got.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
To make sure if that logo is there, everyone's got
to feel good about it. Correct. What about Soul? Did
Sold give you any any pointers? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So you know, so it's like you can't really go
too far because, like you know what I'm saying, they boys,
So it's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Exactly, And like a lot of people say he's the
real boogie man, which I agree with. So apsol is
a fucking alien. He's like a rap fucking savant like
rain Man. If you will, I'm fucking weak. Yeah you
know rain Man. You ever watched rain Man, the guy
who's kind of autistic but can play cards and count cards.
Why are you referring that to that? I mean because
he's like he's got autism of bars. He's so like
(26:50):
he's so like honed in, it's crazy. He's like the
rain Man of rap, the way that rain Man. Will
you know the rain Man movie where the guy's a
he's a card counter, but of hip hop. It's not fair,
It's what I'm trying to say. Nah, Like, if you
go to a casino with a guy who counts cards,
he's gonna win. Yeah, it's not fair. That's that's absolutely
(27:11):
it's not fair. He's he's counting cards. Shout out to
soul Man, Yeah, shout out. So is top as cheap as?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
The Southwest flight story is, is he is he that guy?
He's he's he's I don't think it's cheap. I think
it's fogol and smart Financially, I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Not spending tho ten bands on a ticket when I
could spend one hundreds on that same ticket.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's for a forty fucking minutes flight.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Just could you want to pop it on a take
that exactly? If it was me, I on me, I'd
be like, Okay, can I put a scheme mass on
the airport because I'm causing too much controversy, like like
controversial chaos. Can I put a ski maths on and
move through the airport like that? I would rather because
it's like, you know, I don't want to spend forty
thou fifty thousand DJs and all that I don't want.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm I wish more artists would would like think that
way because they'd have like, you know, we see a
lot of artists who have all this money and then
they end up fucking struggling, and you know they didn't
spend doing weed distro six million bullshit. Pj's like you'll
see top court side at the fucking Lakers game, where
you fuck some money off. It's something that you really enjoy.
(28:14):
Forty minute flight.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't want tickets.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think he gets season tickets. So you like, have
you ever gone to a game with Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Not with talk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right not yet?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, now we're talk. He sent me to a game
next season. Oh you can go to a going you
you're a Laker fan, right of course? Do anything else? No,
you could be a Clippers fan. I guess, have you
anything La? I'm like, whatever, have you been into it?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It's a great, great best to reading in La into
a dome where the Clippers play. It's across the street
from so far. M dude, that ships.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I ain't never been to a Clippers game. I just
went to Concerence there be.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I don't know. Honestly, I went to the Clippers game
when the Suns defeated them in the Western Conference finals,
and I was so happy and I was in a
room full of Clippers fans and I don't, oh, my son,
shit on. I was just Chris Paul bounced them the
fuck up out of there. It was amazing, It was amazing.
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We talk about this being a mixtape. It feels like
a debut album, but it's a mixtape.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's ape.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
When is the day like like, you know, we talked
about the song that you were talking about Elier you
needed to be alone in this album.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That's on the album, but the album is more like
we're worried about like not worried, but that'll be like
when I focus on singles, that'll be when I'm like, Yo,
it needs records, it needs hits on here, A need
stuff that's gonna take this album number one right now.
That project that I just dropped was just me just
being free. But I have the freedom to do that,
being like, Okay, well, I feel like the.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Debut album has to be this, but with some a
couple of singles this with his Yeah, that's literally what
it is like. You're sitting on so many records though
that you guys have played me over the years that
you had with artists who had you maybe drop those songs.
At the time, those artists were like super scorching hot,
(30:59):
you know, might have been maybe fast forward today, maybe
some of these are songs that you're sitting on. The
artists that you did the records with May.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Maybe it's but I don't feel like my project would
have been as like potent as it is right now,
right where it's like go finding, like what I want
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
What do those do?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Those songs just go into the abyss, not the ones
that's his because they timeless, the ones that's time that's
hits right, they're gonna, they're gonna, we can put them
out of any time. Yeah, I think we know what
they are. So it's like, oh, that's kind of like
a but other people don't see it like that.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, you've I feel like you've been in I guess
the closest thing to like artists boot camp is and
any artists can be just training for like this this
moment your dad for sure. Uh at a certain point
in time. Is that ever frustrating you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Frustating because you're like, you know you you want to
go if you especially if you're competitive like me.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Or you're like a fucking like you just like you
just on't go.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I'll be trying to be on go, but it's like
you don't run your own program, and that kind of
like it usually got to trust your team and that's
that's that space.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Is kind of trust the process.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
That's and it's hard to do when you're in this space,
like you know, when you really want to just you
know what I'm saying, But trusting your team is like
what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And it's like the proof is kind of in the pudding,
like the proof of concepts there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's like, right, you're looking at the people who's like
superstars already. It's like again, stadiums, right, do you want
to be in stadiums? You want to be at home?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And stadiums every time?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
So one hundred percent, one hundred percent. Are you working
on any tour stuff coming up? I'm about to go
on tour in July July. Yeah, how many cities?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I think four?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh? I mean that's that's tight.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, so West Coast, I'm not We're gonna go to
New York, We're gonna go to Chicago, We're gonna go
to Atlanta, We're gonna come back.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
To La We get Arizona show. Fuck Bro, I said that,
for Fo's sake, Arizona. Literally, I literally said that. I
said I told it, like my turn agent like Arizona.
I'm like, Bro, I could sell it like your second home. Yeah,
I know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
A five piece man Arizona show will be five The
New York showould be crazy. If Joey comes out, you
gotta try to get him to come out with somebody
else that in the be sick. Like Yo, you got
Joey out here, That got Joey out gotta be fire. Well.
I don't even know the venues of New York anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Fuck they're all I don't even know the vena to
my shows. I ain't even even La One's gonna be
a movie though.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, la is gonna be crazy period.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Who is on your personal personal This is not who
you think is the greatest of all time, but your
personal Mount Rushmore hip hop Mount Rushmore hip hop just
like your go to four guys that are your favorite
that like it doesn't matter, like one of my guys
is push your tea. You know, I gotta push your
tea above probably like ninety nine percent of the world
in terms of the greatest of all time because my
(33:36):
personal taste.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You know, I'm gonna go Dot for Sure. Yep, I'm
gonna go Andre for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Stacks.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, I'm gonna go Meek for sure, Jada kiss.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Me kiss Stack saying Kendrick, I like that, what did
you think of Jada's son hopping into the I didn't
even hear it. Oh yeah he did his j Yeah,
Jada kiss has a son.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. Funny, I didn't
even hear that ship. Yeah, Like I was focusing and
on like it's a lot of niggas. The only person
I listened to that was from the other side that
wasn't Joey's TJ right, because he's a part of the crew.
That shit sucked, And I'm not even trying to be disrespectful,
like I'm being completely He's like honest. I was like,
they let you drop that ship, and I'm not even
(34:32):
trying to, like I promise.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There was a few songs that came out on each
side where I was like, they let you drop that shit.
Maybe this isn't for you, you know, you're saying like
from from like West Coast side, the people who jumped
in trying to go one hundred percent for sure. It
got to the point where I was like, and that's
what I told Simba, somebody had just dropped because was
doing his interview here and had called him and was like, Yo,
(34:57):
it's time, and then we started listening. I'm like, simb,
but don't do this shit, dog. I was like, this
shit is not like just stay out of it.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
For like everyone's getting in, Like when Jada's son jumps in,
you might want to be like everyone's kind of hopping
in and trying to take advantage of like a good
moment an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, they're gonna get confused because everybody we me and
me wasn't a getting like one hundred thousand, two thousand
and three hundred thousan views in the.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Night where it's like damn if we keep going.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
But it's just like I could sacrifice that and keep
dropping and make three hundred four hundred thousand views, but
it's like it's getting so money that it's like it's
just a clear point of like reference will be talking
about getting lost.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There was a dude who came up here the other day,
a Mexican guy from La' His name is Westmont Scheme,
and he wrapped over calling out names by corrupt and
did like an entire freestyle about New York and it
was fucking crazy. I wasn't even mad at it. He's like,
y'all got uncle murder. We got uncles that murder. I
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was good for the culture to oversaw overall. So
like when I said, I'm saying it like and then
the rest of your catalog goes up. A lot of
people are like, oh shit, I just found you because
of the project. It's not your project is fire? Like okay, Well,
even if you don't like this, is you like, oh
this Nigga project was fire, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So to me, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I didn't get wrapped up in it, like I say that,
just like I didn't I didn't listen to Jada's son
at all because then it'll have been like, Okay, now
I gotta fire. It's like and like I said, Jada's
one of my I hope he wasn't talking about me,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
But if he was, like, oh, whatever is rap?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
What's your favorite song on the project? Yeah, Suburban Kids,
it's the outro. Yeah, the Burban Kids.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But like that's like the most lyrical, the most everything,
Whereas like you just feel.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Like like you're telling your story for real, for real.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's shit.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That ship is crazy and then the beat switch crazy
when people like you think the song about to go
off because this is how you expect the project to
go off at the beginning, and then it turned into
some ship that can give you anxiety?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Were you were you really flocking and like'm the like
tiptoeing between like the rap game and the you know,
ending up in fucking prison for the rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, what was was there like an instance or a
night or something that happened where you're like, oh my god,
like I'm playing with I'm playing with fire here.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Nah, I didn't think I that wasn't That's what I
went to Joe for. I wasn't like I didn't think that.
It was more so like I haven't having a daughter, right,
and I'm like, damn when like you know my story.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So it's like, okay, you've talked about it at length.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
My Mom'm only here.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm all that she got me, so she quite literally, Yeah,
if I fuck up, is it? And I was it?
Other than that, No, I didn't care about that shit, right.
We was kids doing that shit right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It was was did it was so funny during the
cancel Culture era of like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty
two or so, that was a real error. That's crazy.
Do you remember when they tried to cancel YG for
a fucking song on My Crazy Life, Nah, the fucking
flopping record All My Crazy Life where he was talking
about Robin Asian houses because they don't believe in make
it else, but they made they made the label went
(38:03):
and silenced like three or four bars out of that song,
like after it had been out for like ten years.
So if you go listen to that song on My
Crazy there's like they silenced partih man. That's what to me,
I'm like, can't like that? Ships so weird. It's a
classic song in a classic.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Years, Like you get into spaces where it's like people
feel entitled to be able to I said, I crossed
that bridge when I get over there, because to me,
I don't really I don't really give a fuck, Like
it's like, oh, that's when it's like crash out how
my ship was on on GoldenEye. I'm gonna say what
the fuck I want to say, And if you feel
left type of way, I don't give a fuck, right,
(38:42):
Like it's like that shit is crazy. If this only
been out ten years, leave it alone. Bringing up somebody
lyrics from ten years ago. We could bring up a
lot of niggas lyrics, you know, like but they was
saying f bombs in it, and it's like, bro, that
was just hip hop at the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Hip hop exact and it was also it was also
just different. Yeah, it didn't mean it rap music out.
Pop culture was different, like you can watch South Park
and yeah and White Chicks MTV, White Chicken, all kind
of crazy ship that was going on, and people was like,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
You let somebody try to make white chicks.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, that'd be nice. Though. Do you remember Tropic Thunder? Yeah,
when fucking uh what's his face? Robert Downey Junr Was
black face the whole movie that ship was like was
it Tropic Thunder? Was that? What? Ca? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Where he was?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He played like they had like the fake Vietnam movie. Yes,
Jack blacks On, like the jonesper heroin I forgot I
know it was Ben Stiller's like, never go full retard.
You couldn't say that in a movie now. Also good
advice anyway is there is Yo. There's like you and
(39:43):
Zay have such a great relationship. How is his new
ship sounding. I'm sure you've gotten a little a little,
a little, have.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You to hear what he's wearing. It is fire like
this ship that he's working on. I'm happy for him
when that nigga pop out, hes gonna pop out?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, also an alien whit that? Because he's so good,
he's like fucking want of like dude, I think I
feel like his first project on TD is one of
the greatest rap problems of all time. That ever it's
talked about demo. Yeah, yeah, that's so fucking this your art.
But he got a great catalog. No, his catalog is insane.
(40:17):
But I'm saying that album is like, to me, it's
in the rafter. It's like it should be talked about more. Yeah,
shout out today you guys. Should I feel like, you
know what one thing that.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's working on a colla project. Yeah, everybody said that.
We get that on the internet a lot, like because.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We never got the black hippie thing. It'd be nice
to get like the raven Z, you know, some j rock,
you know kind of everybody throws their hat in the ring.
What do you mean it's a compilation album? Yeah, yeah,
y'all gonna get that that's gonna happen. Yeah for sure. Yeah.
So there's a TD compilation that's being worked on. Yeah, okay,
is this breaking news? No, I didn't know this. We've
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been out, like we've been talking about that. So but yeah,
but talking about music on TD and it actually coming
out is very too. So it's like two separate things.
The Black Hippie Album was talked about quite a bit.
It's now kind of the Kendrick J. Coleship was No, No,
I understood why. I'm just saying, you know, it's nice
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to say, like, yeah, compilations, but is it gonna come
out compilations? Fire? Is it done? Mm hmm? I like this.
I like this.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He give me something to throw out this nigga.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Man, don't throw the candle, it's on fire. We'll listen
to the projects out Man, The Good, the Bad, the Dollar Menu.
Can you break down the title for me? Right? The Bad?
The struggle? Origin story? Is this your logan? What what
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your origin story? Project logan? That's the nigga from X Man.
Yeah logan was the origin story for or Wolverine bro?
Is this your logan?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
This? Uh? Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's a weird fucking question. I don't uh makes sense
though when I say it though, now that you're thinking
about it a little.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
No, I don't know, bro that this project for me,
this is like my foundation project. The good, the bad,
the dollomenue comes from space. The good, you know, the
good ship that happens in the bad bashp dollarm you everything.
I'll be a right if you got enough money in
your project. If you got enough money, if I can
get someone off the domin, you'll be right. Good is
like steaks. Bad is like nothing. Dollar manu is cooked down,
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there's no dollar. You're now exist. But when it's time,
when this project is created, like the time I'm trying
to put in the capsule is in those for.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Sure, I'm saying x l T. Do you remember your
favorite dollar menu item? Favorite dollar in your items go mcdonald'
streight double cheese maker, the MC double. Yeah. Yeah, you
get to mcdouble, the small fry and the dollar coke
three bucks, three dollars combo. Put the fries in the
fucking mcdouble, and if you're feeling frisky, you get that
hot and spicy MC chicken as well.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Four dollars made them gang bang?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
The MC gang bang? What is the MC gang bang?
Is that where you put the chicken with the burgers.
I kind of want to do that right now. That
makes me. That sounds amazing. I never put the chicken
patty with of course not Yeah, never could use baby
oil ever again. Thinks to that guy anyway, Yo, I
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mean ship, I can't even go to the store and
buy baby oil. If I cannot imagine having a child
right now and you actually need to buy a baby oil,
you go to the fucking Walgreens, you try to buy
yourself a thing of baby stand. They're looking at you crazy.
They're gonna be like, you got kids? What if I
don't fuck anyway? Rayvon Man, incredible body of work. I'm
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proud of you, bro. This is the music that I
know you are. You're sitting on some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I got some records.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I feel like people right now, like I said, there's
a foundation what we said in right now with this project.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, other people don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
They're gonna You're You're fucking incredible record's gonna come out
and your ability to be like vulnerable in your songs
and your music is second to none, dude. That's just
that's that's like, I don't know if that's a talent
as much as it's like some maturity ship. But it's important, man.
So thank you for putting this project out and thank
you for making hip hop exciting the last two months,
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month and a half. Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Thank you for that. I appreciate it for sure. Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
We have we have It was fun, like you feel,
I feel like we like we we we we pushed
hip hop to the forefront again. I'm saying when Drake
then was said, it is hip hop was a forefront
you couldn't do. We we stopped the internet to make
them focus on rap. That's what it's about hip hop.
Hundred are part of hip hop.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I was like, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's all for the sport, for everybody involved, the whole
pro the whole East Coast.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
You know what I'm saying? Who is hip hop?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah? Shot to a chat to pro aer shots Ty,
the shout out to my guy Ray Vaughn. The album
is out, mixtape whatever he wants to call it. To
make him feel better about himself. It feels like an album,
but it's it's definitely an album, but it's called a
mixtape because contractually they got to call it that. I
get it anyway, but it's right, but it's right, you know.
That's why you and I know it anyway. It's an
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incredible body of work. Second best album of the year,
second number two, number two, not quite number one, but
number two. Appreciate you, Rayvar and my Dog
Botleg Cap Podcast, Boutlet cav Show. We got a special
guest in here. I just told him at the very
moment he has my second favorite album of twenty twenty five.
Crazy Dog. It's up. It's it might it might ease
into one, but yo, Rayvaughon, what's the deal. Good to
see you, buddy, Good to see you again. Yeah, I
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told you. Man like this album. I feel like as
we're considering this a mixtape, it's a mixtape. A mixtape.
I mean, fuck man, we've been waiting for this album
for seven fucking years. Niggas do not respect the mixtape.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, everybody's an.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Album, Okay, this mixtape is very much the music that
I have been waiting for you to release. The level
of vulnerability on here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Just what you know me for it from like years back.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Correct. And it's also like, you know, I wonder the
first thing I wanted to ask you is you know
this is such a personal album, and it's a personal
album not just for you, but for your family. Do
you play this for family members to kind of like
let them know that hey, certain shits talking about No, no,
no no, It's just like, yo, it comes out when
(01:09):
the music comes out. Do you get feedback from like
some of the people that maybe you spoke on in.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The most of the time they be like, man, I
appreciate you for like putting that out right, I appreciate
you for doing that. I'd be like, I don't care
if you like it or not. Right, it's like asking
mission to be vulnerable. It's crazy. It's my perspective. You
feel about it? How do you feel about it? Anybody
fox me over? Would you consider there's a concept project?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Conceptual a little bit. It was like a lot of
the like it was kind of tied in like at
the end of some of the skits, and and then
I feel like we get to the end and it's
kind of like, yeah, it's so good. Which is the
is the Because you know, the Shasta record is such
a personal song about your mom. I relate to that
because my son's mom who just passed away from addiction. Unfortunately,
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he like, you know, I was listening to you in
the car with him, and I kind of tell he
was like, you know, like I feel like that ship.
That's the type of record that speaks to so many
people who are dealing with having like an unstable parent
who's dealing with addiction.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Is not just it's not just like for me, it's
for everybody, you know what I'm saying. For Like everybody
who hear that that's like you said, denner with that
or dealt with it at some degree or level of
capacity where it's like it's gonna speak to them and
they're like, damn, even if it's your son, right, you
know what I'm saying to me?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I feel like that's important to make records.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Is it hard to like, when you're recording a song
like that, are you able to record a song like
that with a studio full of people?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, because that's what it's gonna be. The plan is
for it to be performed.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The worldwide, right, So I don't give you can't record.
I don't know if it's like, yo, I gotta be
alone just to lay this one down.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I have one song like that. I have one song
not on the project, but y'all gonna hear later. But
I have one song like that that was like, I
just it needs to just be me an engineer.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Can't be nobody else.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They ain't gonna be able to get through it because
it the.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Song I heard that maybe want to cry? Yeah? Mm
hmmm years ago when I heard it, Yeah, such a
good man.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, so it's like that. Other than that, now I'd
be like, oh it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Was miles away from Heaven you wrapping from the perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Of your mom no no na, like someone where the
perspective is messed up where people think like my mom
was a was a drug adud and my mom is
an alcoholic and my mom suffered from schizophrenia and like depression anxiety,
like that type of shit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So it's like that's what flas Shots about.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Flat Shots is a song about like somebody missing they
screws or like yeah, and then bubbles bubbles growing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You would only know this too, right because like alcohol
adds to those metal disorders and like an insane way.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Get crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So but it gives me it when you know what's wrong,
it makes you able to be able to give them grace,
you know what I'm saying. For one and then but
like miles Away from Heaven is more so like my
other family that's dealing with addiction, where it's like those
perspectives second verses more to me where it's like depression
anxiety and shit like that when I used to be
I'm not no more.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm in a good space. I'm good. That was like
years ago, but in that timeframe now, I'm like, straight.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, do you feel like you had to get through
because you've had so much grief and so much shit
to deal with? I mean, fuck, if you listen to
this album and like you didn't know anything about Ravone
and be like, damn, this motherfucker's been through a lot
of it. Motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Like, man, I want to give you a hug. I'm like,
I'm good, right, they seem I'm like, I'm good, right,
you know what I'm saying. You mean me, I'm good.
I don't have no It was.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
For you, like, because this has been like such a
journey since you signed a TD to get like I said,
to kind of get to this pobous you've been on
tour was a and you know you've had viral moments
and people know you, you know what I mean. But like,
was this like that like your first project under TD,
where you feel like you kind of like like let
people in for real?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, I feel like this the most vulnerable I've ever
been in music like period, even on my old freestyles.
I wasn't this vulnerable where it's like and making them songs.
It was just freestyles. Now these are songs that people
can keep playing over and over and over and over
and over and over. But that's kind of like the
space I was in when I was making that, Like
I'm gonna just be me, unapologetically give vulnerability as much
(04:57):
as I can for myself and then put it out
people with.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You should really get beat with the boiled extension cord.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I didn't say me, I said my cousin.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But they used to boil the extension cord.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
My auntie heard me in my face for the bottle
and said sorry when the damage was done and actuality
was really posed to land on her son billed the
extension cords to beat him on his back.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So it's stune, it's real life, like real right here.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
There's a little his car, yeah, like and then my
eyes like if I cool my eyes like she threw
a bottle, was trying to hit him, and that ship
broke on me. I never told my mom my mom
would to beat the ship out of Oh yeah, that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's the thing that she pulled you off to the side,
says look, she didn't tell me that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I just knew you kind of knew. I knew my
mom would have beat the ship out of her. So
I'm like, I'm never even gonna tell her my mom
would have beat the fuck out that woman. What did
you what did you tell your fighting with my cousins
playing we was playing the sure and she kind of like, yeah,
I'm saying, just let it go, but yeah, that's what happened.
But that day she like boiled the extension cord beating
put him up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
On the Devil's wife.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Motherfucker. I'm like, oh, Ship, I don't want to come
over here, the more.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It would be the last time I come over here.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And I'm over here and what your Nigga's crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I'm linking and watching my kids. It's crazy to get
fed up with an extens crazy Holy Ship, are you
still tight with this aunt? She is? She still around?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, she's still around, But like we ain't. We ain't
really tight. We just like she's around. Yeah, yeah that
makes sense, that makes sense. Yeah, no, it's it's It's
fucking an amazing album. And I love some of these
feature choices, like I love to see you working with
you know tomorrow someone who's she's so far incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
She's fire. I've seen her.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
On on this tour with I was on the tour
with A and then she popped, like she popped. I'm like,
this girl, I wanted to see what she brought. And
I'm like, all right, oh yeah, she fired. Immediately I'm like, okay,
she fired. Then I found out we got the same birthday.
Oh you guess the same day, Like oh yeah, it's over,
like and then we just locked in. Me and I
have just been friends ever since. She's so talented, like
(06:51):
she's like one of those people who like I see
me like growing with you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I try, I try to get most of the signer
like four years ago. That happens. Yeah, and then he
hit me like two years ago, was like, yo, she's
still about, Like I think she's I don't think sobody,
it's too late. I think he's too late. But up
he get missed out man, He said, yeah, I think
it's yeah, but hey, talk to me fast forward albums out.
It's doing well. You're the kind of the flag waiver
(07:21):
of this this West Coast movement against Joey Badass that
happened a couple of weeks ago, and I think it
was all in good Sport, by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I think it wasn't it It started in January?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I know, but but I feel like obviously the
cipher responded, cipher came, responded.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He finally responded after like three months, and then like
that's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Oh right, you know what I'm saying, so that you're
definitely right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It was almost like the cipher was like the point
of like Okay, the cipher's out and that's it kind
of just stirred up everything again. Yeah, yeah, brought it
back up.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He responded, was like okay, well I'm not gonna say
anything else until he respond responded and then his eye
for so now we're in gaze.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That was That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I just felt like it was a I feel like
it was it was in good Sport. I just feel
like it got muddy with everybody else being involved. That's
that's kind of like where it's like I don't I
don't because it looks it's gonna look a certain way
because like.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
On one person. So it's kind of like it just.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Felt like everybody was like throwing their hat in the ring,
and I understand to a certain extent, like, but at
the same time, it was like, it's just like you said,
it became muddy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, it just got muddy to where it's like I
for showed the noise because he was kind of the
only guy standing over there. And if you're getting packed
out and like staying and you're standing up and you
don't fall, niggas gonna all automatically look at you, like.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And then Joey fucking got the funk. I mean, joe
is one of the great.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's that's what I said. I was telling somebody. I'm like,
first of all sport, it's not even no real beef
me and him doing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Like of course, I'm sure if you guys saw each
other today, it'd be you guys talk about each other
like yeah, that line was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It's not like no no space of like like he
he trying to kill somebody on time. It's not that
he ain't we ain't on that. It's rap. It's real rap.
It's real rap though, don't get it twisted. It's like
you know what I'm saying, it's real rap, but from
a space of like it's good for the sport. We
got all the fucking podcasters, we got all the hip
(09:21):
hop media talking about hip hop, not get ready to line,
not who's texting who? Not, who's fucking Who's man? It's
hip hop? Yeah, great hip hop. Whereas like everybody else
who jumped in, they still they got more like than
they've ever had in their career.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Too.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You're getting reviewed and uh reacted to by people with
millions of views. So for me being like the again,
the flagship nigga of that, whereas like I'm the person
who felt the way the most, and I'm the person
who jumped out the face and said, so I fuck
with the fact, Like I'm one of the reasons that
niggas felt.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Compelled to like, no, let's rap, let's rapp. I'm all
for that. It was all sport, it's all you know
what I'm saying, It's all good.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
My favorite record that you dropped was the Golden Ny
One Disrespectful Him. Yeah, it was good. Disrespectful. Yeah. What
was your favorite Joey record?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Finals? Hard Finals? Probably my favorite Joey record.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I liked Crash Nummy though Crash was sick cool, Like
it's just it's I like the hook and I like
the beat.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I feel like the beat was just automatic.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Like when he brings in loaded Lucks, are you like,
I hope you don't say nothing about me.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Loaded Lux is different Loaded LUs. I feel like a
loaded Lux daylight think is really what we gotta Yeah,
that was more a daylight for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I ain't did nothing to this man, right right right
right fuck it like I'm gonna thuk it out.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's just like allright, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think it was pretty evident, like yo, this is
all like you know, at the end of the day,
like abs So and Joey, I went to that tour
to when they were on tour together. I went to
that show. You know, I interviewed both of those guys
on the same tour bus that that tour. So I
thought I was dope that that cipher came out and
it kind of showed everybody like this is hip hop.
This is some rap ship. It's hip hop.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like rap, we can do it. He'll say it
in front of it like it's just it's hip hop.
So it's just it was good for the sport and
the TDST ship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I was I wonder what Top thinks about this what
the TD East it got the he got the LLC
in the website.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh, like that's shit funny, Like this Sh'S hilarious. We
laugh like it's like, oh he trolling. He laughed at
that ship like it's funny. It's not like we don't.
Like I said, it just is what it is hip
hop and and most like most importantly, we got everybody
tuned in to hip hop. What I'm saying, I feel
like people started tuning in late. They're like, oh, what's
next going on? Like bro, it was like thirty eight
(11:40):
songs dropped in like four days.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh, it was a lot to the output. Was Were
you just like on standby with a mic?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I was out of town, like doing doing business, so
like it just it just was like I'm like finding studios, So.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're just like, yo, I gotta get that. You're not
like Scarlett in the hotel room with a shitty mic,
Like we gotta fucking yeah. Were you like proactively like
I'm gonna do five today just just in case I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
There's too much stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So it's like for me what I had going on,
I wish you know what I'm saying, but it was
it was overall.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like it was like it's like I said,
it's just to me.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The only thing that made me like because it gets
much so money where it's like, damn, I can't even
get the fair one for sure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But other than that, like, well, thank.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You man, thank you, because as a hip hop fan, I.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Enjoyed everybody tuned in, everybody like, yo, this rap, this
is what we're here for.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So I'm me personally like I enjoyed what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right right right right, for sure, you got with l
Russell on this new project too. Who's somebody who's by
the way. Nobody in the bay replied, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You said, Nobody from the bay replied to.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The Joey things, Yeah, I think symbol was close. A
symbol might have. He didn't reply, but I know he
thought about it. He probably did. You know. He was
here and he was like should I And I told
him I said, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Because this is not for you money. But but if
you would, if I would have respected it, like yeah,
I get it. Everybody who wanted to get something, they
get the sh off. I think I seen the son
that made me like, I think it was gap Dad.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He's he had a point where he was like, yo, man, I.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Don't think that was a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I feel like it was like Jada, like you with them,
it's like did y'all that's y'all fight?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You know what I'm saying. And I think when we
think of West Coast sometimes like it's still on one coach.
I agree shout out to you know, I always say
Arizona's west coast, West coast.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
West coast just felt like that, and I'm like me
being a flagship Nigga.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Is like it felt. But it did feel like to
me l a ship low key. It felt like everybody
from l A. Even though that's because everybody from la
is jumping in. We're not talking about responding to what
he said though the inn everywhere line. Yeah, on what
the actual problem is because it's so many other people.
The actual problem is he literally disrespected the West Coast,
(13:59):
you know what I'm saying, So anybody who jumped in,
that's why it's like muddy, but it's still like fair
because you disrespected the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Entire like entirety. So if anybody else jump in. That's
what it is, you know what I'm saying. But it
just gets muddy when it's too many people on one
person for sure. But I'm saying for that common When
he said that, I was just like, damn. They kind
of like look like if a nigga got his opinion
of like oh who, they feel like, oh this this,
this wins as whatever your case is. Well, when it's like,
(14:29):
oh that's you all fight is like I was just like,
damn that kind of like for sure on my head
at it.
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Larussell record something you sent him? Or did you guys
(17:00):
actually physically get in and.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now oh we went we went in.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, I went up there and I need to like
a young master, p bro. You went up there, drove
up there. It's amazing, right, yeah, me and me, we drove.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He went to his house.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, his compound. Oh you got to do the crib.
The crib in Vallejo. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Then he had it like a compound like basketball court
in the back.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, studios all this other sh is that good company? Shit?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So his house he grew up in is where he
has the shows in Vallejo. And we went, I don't know,
three years ago, three and a half years ago when
he first started, and like he's still in his bedroom,
Like it's so funny to see his bedroom is his studio.
But it also was like there's like a whiteboard where
he broke down like a calendar of like what's going
(17:45):
to get posted every day, and it was just like
it was just crazy because it's like this really, this
fool is like really just creating his own playbook and
like fuck you if you like it, if you don't
like it, it doesn't matter. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He really innovative, and I'm like, when I've seen that,
I'm like, damn, he's like a young master pe over
the Yeah, he like he really trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And I'll fuck with him for that heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I went up there. He did that ship. We made
like three songs. Yeah, he's quick. He's quick. He's very quick.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Go you don't overthink it, all right, go to the
next one. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's crazy, man. Different for me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I'll be in a mother fucker Like I got to
make sure the double on tondre connects.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You know what I'm saying. I just like everything about it,
but that nigga fire.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, I feel like you've done a really good
job of like creating another revenue stream the last like
six years or so writing for a lot of artists.
Are you still in that bag? Are you? Like fully,
I'm just getting back into it.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I kind of like stepped away from it, Like I
kind of like I for trying to focus on my
ship so I don't give nobody a hit.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Please, that's kind like I think I was.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I wanted to get to the point where I was
gonna say, please just focus on your ship and say
we get this project.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, it's just me. So it's like this is just
me locked in on me. But then when it's like, oh,
other time, it's like marketing this tour, right even me,
like selling tickets is like other shit. I'm not even
giving a fuck about the studio. But if somebody needs
me into like for them, than it's cool. But my
own project, I'm not in.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
This space to be. But you've written for like I mean,
when you've reaan for Hello people, Yeah, but when you
write for like, let's say, Danny lay H, you put
yourself mentally in the perspective of a female. Yeah. The
great writers are able to kind of write from those perspectives.
Do you ever have an idea or you see some
shit going on and you're like, oh shit, that'd be
crazy if someone rose. I mean, it's not my song,
but I got the idea. I'm gonna put it in
(19:23):
my notes, like I want to write this song for
someone else to sing.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I probably have, but it's not often. I try not
to think about studio when I'm not in the studio.
It's more like you got to be in with that person. Yeah,
I gotta be in with that person because they feel
more connected to it when they feel like you wrote
they wrote it with you, and it's like, oh, I'm
connected with it. Because if you just come in like hey, here, here, here,
they're like, Nigga, I didn't write.
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What has been the most interesting writing session you've been
(20:06):
a part of? MM?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The most interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I can't even say, because they own people don't know
that they have writers.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh ship man, I'll say the craziest session I've seen
you at what the fucking game? When he was at
he had Chalice on lock for the Oh my god,
it was like fucking a million people and it was
like just Cipher's cracking off in the fucking studio. Fucking
symbol was that you walk in and see a girly there?
That happened to you? I gotta ask, I don't know
(20:44):
that's a problem. Did that happen to somebody? Yeah? Oh yeah,
that's rough.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like you walk in see Washington and seen his girly there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I hope they weren't together too long. I hope they
I hope they don't save children. I could share some
children if that city. Did he crash how and now
he didn't crash out?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
He tried to keep it like composure, but it's like
thirty niggas in there, and it was like, oh my god,
your girl part of the hose.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'd have melted.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm would have crashed ouse.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Autogra I mean respectfully auto grab her hand and been like,
can I talk to you outside?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't eve want to talk?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
What we need to talk about, bitch, we over. She
already know that when she's seen me walking get your
ship over here. Now she seen me walk through the doors,
she would already know that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Like, oh, oh, I see what you're on clap City.
Huh huh. This isn't where you told me you were
going to be tonight. I mean you here, what did
you think of the complex? List of LA rappers that
came out. Do you think you deserve to be in
the fifty yet in the fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I don't think I deserve. I'm working for what I
deserve right now. I feel like if they do the cool.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I respect that because I think I've seen a lot
of rappers angry that they didn't make that list that I've.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
A funk about nobody lists.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well. Also like a lot of people who are like
certainly like hey, like you're great, like you're fine, like
but like you're at the beginning of your last I.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Just started my legacy.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I don't give a funk about nobody lists right gratefully, like,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I was on all the games.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
But that's because he knows me, so he's like, bro.
Once they see what I see, it's over. I don't
care about that ship though I don't know. I don't
get wrapped up in people lists. I don't give at
The only nigga lists who pissed me off that was
able to get into my skin was was the Nigga
Day John Paul.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He does work hard. Where did he give you give me?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Like a d or a f I'm like, Nigga, I'm
really better than a lot of these niggas.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's why, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I was like, but I think it was because
I haven't dropped so when I dropped music, he kind
of was like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I've never met that guy, but you know he's still
doing his thing. And yeah, you know he had a
thing with DJ Head, which kind of keeps him all
the way over there. For me, his head's like my brother. Yeah. Yeah,
I feel like the top three is the only thing
that you can't really Would you put Tupac in the
l A list though, because I say no, because I
feel like he got cracking in the bay first.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
For LA list, I'm gonna put two back on it. Okay,
I don't put two back on it. I won't put
two back on the list and make sure that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
There's one flag making my life living hell right now.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
By the way, Yeah, Tupac for sure two pots on
that list period to me. On that list though, number
one of like West Coast rappers Snoop, I think I
think the most like influential, like notable artists from the
West that he can go anywhere on in the country.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Everybody know who he is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
No matter what, he's definitely top two or three most
famous person on the planet.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So if he's that, how is he not who's bigger
than him? In the West Coast rap? Who's bigger than him?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
We're not talking about skills, We're talking about who's bigger
than Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, I think if you like look at the criteria.
I think if you look at isn't I feel like
that the top three to me is undisputed in any
you could just because it's ice Cube, Snoop, Kendrick. However
you feel about where those three should be, those are
the three. Outside of that, I'm not mad at that. Tupac,
you can make it. I mean, I just I don't
(24:09):
I think Tupac, you know, like you had like a cool,
like two year run in LA you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm oud at that. I'm literally not out at that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But Q was like NW a five Mike album, you know,
movies also very famous.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Like I'm not I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, but I do think the top two is Kendrick
and Snoop. Personally, I wasn't mad at it because I
think Kendrick's the third greatest rapper of all time at
this point. So that's OK. Were you you were able
to go to the UH Grand National Tour fire, Yeah,
it was pretty great. Would you get do you still
get inspired when you see Ship?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like yeah, you go, I go and I see like
you see you see Kendrick doing that, and you're like, damn,
I want to be This is a stadium.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And it's rap and you know these people, it's a stadium.
That's the craziesth it is. They're like, wait a minute,
I'm so close to this situation. It's got to be
like I'm really like I'm within the arms reach, right, Ship,
I can.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Call him, It's possible. I can call him, right, I
can call him. I'm on the phone with him when
when I'm going at Joe, Ay fuck with this. So
you're getting feedback, Yeah, I always get feedback. You don't,
Ship still don't come out just like like it's just
it don't.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's still got a protocol. Everything gotta get it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Like, was there anything that you that Kendrick any notes
Kendrick gave you about any of the records, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
If anything is like take something out.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I can't take that out. Like maybe it's a little
too far. No, no, but just like a libs like
take them out, libs out. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It ain't never if it wasn't like it's like or
if it's not, it just.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Didn't come out, that's great. So there were records that
you cut that he's didn't fuck with, You're like, I
got you something else.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Not just he didn't funk with.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's just like, Okay, it's like before Golden and I
come out, it's like these these other records is like, oh,
we could do this and that's not a good a
golden nice fire. But I'm saying like it's still it's
still the way we run TD is still the same same,
Like you know what I'm saying down the line and like, oh,
because you're still speaking when they post it is going on.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
TD page, going on TD's YouTube.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, So what I'm saying, it's like, Nigga, you're speaking
and it's coming from marside.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So make sure that we all got.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
To make sure if that logo is there, everyone's got
to feel good about it. Correct. What about Soul? Did
Sold give you any any pointers? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So you know, so it's like you can't really go
too far because, like you know what I'm saying, they boys,
So it's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Exactly, And like a lot of people say he's the
real boogie man, which I agree with. So apsol is
a fucking alien. He's like a rap fucking savant like
rain Man. If you will, I'm fucking weak. Yeah you
know rain Man. You ever watched rain Man, the guy
who's kind of autistic but can play cards and count cards.
Why are you referring that to that? I mean because
he's like he's got autism of bars. He's so like
(26:50):
he's so like honed in, it's crazy. He's like the
rain Man of rap, the way that rain Man. Will
you know the rain Man movie where the guy's a
he's a card counter, but of hip hop. It's not fair,
It's what I'm trying to say. Nah, Like, if you
go to a casino with a guy who counts cards,
he's gonna win. Yeah, it's not fair. That's that's absolutely
(27:11):
it's not fair. He's he's counting cards. Shout out to
soul Man, Yeah, shout out. So is top as cheap as?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
The Southwest flight story is, is he is he that guy?
He's he's he's I don't think it's cheap. I think
it's fogol and smart Financially, I'm.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Not spending tho ten bands on a ticket when I
could spend one hundreds on that same ticket.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's for a forty fucking minutes flight.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Just could you want to pop it on a take
that exactly? If it was me, I on me, I'd
be like, Okay, can I put a scheme mass on
the airport because I'm causing too much controversy, like like
controversial chaos. Can I put a ski maths on and
move through the airport like that? I would rather because
it's like, you know, I don't want to spend forty
thou fifty thousand DJs and all that I don't want.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm I wish more artists would would like think that
way because they'd have like, you know, we see a
lot of artists who have all this money and then
they end up fucking struggling, and you know they didn't
spend doing weed distro six million bullshit. Pj's like you'll
see top court side at the fucking Lakers game, where
you fuck some money off. It's something that you really enjoy.
(28:14):
Forty minute flight.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't want tickets.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think he gets season tickets. So you like, have
you ever gone to a game with Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Not with talk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right not yet?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, now we're talk. He sent me to a game
next season. Oh you can go to a going you
you're a Laker fan, right of course? Do anything else? No,
you could be a Clippers fan. I guess, have you
anything La? I'm like, whatever, have you been into it?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It's a great, great best to reading in La into
a dome where the Clippers play. It's across the street
from so far. M dude, that ships.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I ain't never been to a Clippers game. I just
went to Concerence there be.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I don't know. Honestly, I went to the Clippers game
when the Suns defeated them in the Western Conference finals,
and I was so happy and I was in a
room full of Clippers fans and I don't, oh, my son,
shit on. I was just Chris Paul bounced them the
fuck up out of there. It was amazing, It was amazing.
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We talk about this being a mixtape. It feels like
a debut album, but it's a mixtape.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's ape.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
When is the day like like, you know, we talked
about the song that you were talking about Elier you
needed to be alone in this album.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That's on the album, but the album is more like
we're worried about like not worried, but that'll be like
when I focus on singles, that'll be when I'm like, Yo,
it needs records, it needs hits on here, A need
stuff that's gonna take this album number one right now.
That project that I just dropped was just me just
being free. But I have the freedom to do that,
being like, Okay, well, I feel like the.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Debut album has to be this, but with some a
couple of singles this with his Yeah, that's literally what
it is like. You're sitting on so many records though
that you guys have played me over the years that
you had with artists who had you maybe drop those songs.
At the time, those artists were like super scorching hot,
(30:59):
you know, might have been maybe fast forward today, maybe
some of these are songs that you're sitting on. The
artists that you did the records with May.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Maybe it's but I don't feel like my project would
have been as like potent as it is right now,
right where it's like go finding, like what I want
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
What do those do?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Those songs just go into the abyss, not the ones
that's his because they timeless, the ones that's time that's
hits right, they're gonna, they're gonna, we can put them
out of any time. Yeah, I think we know what
they are. So it's like, oh, that's kind of like
a but other people don't see it like that.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, you've I feel like you've been in I guess
the closest thing to like artists boot camp is and
any artists can be just training for like this this
moment your dad for sure. Uh at a certain point
in time. Is that ever frustrating you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Frustating because you're like, you know you you want to
go if you especially if you're competitive like me.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Or you're like a fucking like you just like you
just on't go.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I'll be trying to be on go, but it's like
you don't run your own program, and that kind of
like it usually got to trust your team and that's
that's that space.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Is kind of trust the process.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
That's and it's hard to do when you're in this space,
like you know, when you really want to just you
know what I'm saying, But trusting your team is like
what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And it's like the proof is kind of in the pudding,
like the proof of concepts there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's like, right, you're looking at the people who's like
superstars already. It's like again, stadiums, right, do you want
to be in stadiums? You want to be at home?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And stadiums every time?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
So one hundred percent, one hundred percent. Are you working
on any tour stuff coming up? I'm about to go
on tour in July July. Yeah, how many cities?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I think four?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh? I mean that's that's tight.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, so West Coast, I'm not We're gonna go to
New York, We're gonna go to Chicago, We're gonna go
to Atlanta, We're gonna come back.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
To La We get Arizona show. Fuck Bro, I said that,
for Fo's sake, Arizona. Literally, I literally said that. I
said I told it, like my turn agent like Arizona.
I'm like, Bro, I could sell it like your second home. Yeah,
I know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
A five piece man Arizona show will be five The
New York showould be crazy. If Joey comes out, you
gotta try to get him to come out with somebody
else that in the be sick. Like Yo, you got
Joey out here, That got Joey out gotta be fire. Well.
I don't even know the venues of New York anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Fuck they're all I don't even know the vena to
my shows. I ain't even even La One's gonna be
a movie though.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, la is gonna be crazy period.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Who is on your personal personal This is not who
you think is the greatest of all time, but your
personal Mount Rushmore hip hop Mount Rushmore hip hop just
like your go to four guys that are your favorite
that like it doesn't matter, like one of my guys
is push your tea. You know, I gotta push your
tea above probably like ninety nine percent of the world
in terms of the greatest of all time because my
(33:36):
personal taste.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You know, I'm gonna go Dot for Sure. Yep, I'm
gonna go Andre for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Stacks.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, I'm gonna go Meek for sure, Jada kiss.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Me kiss Stack saying Kendrick, I like that, what did
you think of Jada's son hopping into the I didn't
even hear it. Oh yeah he did his j Yeah,
Jada kiss has a son.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. Funny, I didn't
even hear that ship. Yeah, Like I was focusing and
on like it's a lot of niggas. The only person
I listened to that was from the other side that
wasn't Joey's TJ right, because he's a part of the crew.
That shit sucked, And I'm not even trying to be disrespectful,
like I'm being completely He's like honest. I was like,
they let you drop that ship, and I'm not even
(34:32):
trying to, like I promise.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
There was a few songs that came out on each
side where I was like, they let you drop that shit.
Maybe this isn't for you, you know, you're saying like
from from like West Coast side, the people who jumped
in trying to go one hundred percent for sure. It
got to the point where I was like, and that's
what I told Simba, somebody had just dropped because was
doing his interview here and had called him and was like, Yo,
(34:57):
it's time, and then we started listening. I'm like, simb,
but don't do this shit, dog. I was like, this
shit is not like just stay out of it.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
For like everyone's getting in, Like when Jada's son jumps in,
you might want to be like everyone's kind of hopping
in and trying to take advantage of like a good
moment an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, they're gonna get confused because everybody we me and
me wasn't a getting like one hundred thousand, two thousand
and three hundred thousan views in the.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Night where it's like damn if we keep going.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
But it's just like I could sacrifice that and keep
dropping and make three hundred four hundred thousand views, but
it's like it's getting so money that it's like it's
just a clear point of like reference will be talking
about getting lost.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There was a dude who came up here the other day,
a Mexican guy from La' His name is Westmont Scheme,
and he wrapped over calling out names by corrupt and
did like an entire freestyle about New York and it
was fucking crazy. I wasn't even mad at it. He's like,
y'all got uncle murder. We got uncles that murder. I
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was good for the culture to oversaw overall. So
like when I said, I'm saying it like and then
the rest of your catalog goes up. A lot of
people are like, oh shit, I just found you because
of the project. It's not your project is fire? Like okay, Well,
even if you don't like this, is you like, oh
this Nigga project was fire, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So to me, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I didn't get wrapped up in it, like I say that,
just like I didn't I didn't listen to Jada's son
at all because then it'll have been like, Okay, now
I gotta fire. It's like and like I said, Jada's
one of my I hope he wasn't talking about me,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
But if he was, like, oh, whatever is rap?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
What's your favorite song on the project? Yeah, Suburban Kids,
it's the outro. Yeah, the Burban Kids.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But like that's like the most lyrical, the most everything,
Whereas like you just feel.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Like like you're telling your story for real, for real.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's shit.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
That ship is crazy and then the beat switch crazy
when people like you think the song about to go
off because this is how you expect the project to
go off at the beginning, and then it turned into
some ship that can give you anxiety?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Were you were you really flocking and like'm the like
tiptoeing between like the rap game and the you know,
ending up in fucking prison for the rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, what was was there like an instance or a
night or something that happened where you're like, oh my god,
like I'm playing with I'm playing with fire here.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Nah, I didn't think I that wasn't That's what I
went to Joe for. I wasn't like I didn't think that.
It was more so like I haven't having a daughter, right,
and I'm like, damn when like you know my story.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So it's like, okay, you've talked about it at length.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
My Mom'm only here.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm all that she got me, so she quite literally, Yeah,
if I fuck up, is it? And I was it?
Other than that, No, I didn't care about that shit, right.
We was kids doing that shit right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It was was did it was so funny during the
cancel Culture era of like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty
two or so, that was a real error. That's crazy.
Do you remember when they tried to cancel YG for
a fucking song on My Crazy Life, Nah, the fucking
flopping record All My Crazy Life where he was talking
about Robin Asian houses because they don't believe in make
it else, but they made they made the label went
(38:03):
and silenced like three or four bars out of that song,
like after it had been out for like ten years.
So if you go listen to that song on My
Crazy there's like they silenced partih man. That's what to me,
I'm like, can't like that? Ships so weird. It's a
classic song in a classic.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Years, Like you get into spaces where it's like people
feel entitled to be able to I said, I crossed
that bridge when I get over there, because to me,
I don't really I don't really give a fuck, Like
it's like, oh, that's when it's like crash out how
my ship was on on GoldenEye. I'm gonna say what
the fuck I want to say, And if you feel
left type of way, I don't give a fuck, right,
(38:42):
Like it's like that shit is crazy. If this only
been out ten years, leave it alone. Bringing up somebody
lyrics from ten years ago. We could bring up a
lot of niggas lyrics, you know, like but they was
saying f bombs in it, and it's like, bro, that
was just hip hop at the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Hip hop exact and it was also it was also
just different. Yeah, it didn't mean it rap music out.
Pop culture was different, like you can watch South Park
and yeah and White Chicks MTV, White Chicken, all kind
of crazy ship that was going on, and people was like,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
You let somebody try to make white chicks.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, that'd be nice. Though. Do you remember Tropic Thunder? Yeah,
when fucking uh what's his face? Robert Downey Junr Was
black face the whole movie that ship was like was
it Tropic Thunder? Was that? What? Ca? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Where he was?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He played like they had like the fake Vietnam movie. Yes,
Jack blacks On, like the jonesper heroin I forgot I
know it was Ben Stiller's like, never go full retard.
You couldn't say that in a movie now. Also good
advice anyway is there is Yo. There's like you and
(39:43):
Zay have such a great relationship. How is his new
ship sounding. I'm sure you've gotten a little a little,
a little, have.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You to hear what he's wearing. It is fire like
this ship that he's working on. I'm happy for him
when that nigga pop out, hes gonna pop out?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, also an alien whit that? Because he's so good,
he's like fucking want of like dude, I think I
feel like his first project on TD is one of
the greatest rap problems of all time. That ever it's
talked about demo. Yeah, yeah, that's so fucking this your art.
But he got a great catalog. No, his catalog is insane.
(40:17):
But I'm saying that album is like, to me, it's
in the rafter. It's like it should be talked about more. Yeah,
shout out today you guys. Should I feel like, you
know what one thing that.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's working on a colla project. Yeah, everybody said that.
We get that on the internet a lot, like because.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We never got the black hippie thing. It'd be nice
to get like the raven Z, you know, some j rock,
you know kind of everybody throws their hat in the ring.
What do you mean it's a compilation album? Yeah, yeah,
y'all gonna get that that's gonna happen. Yeah for sure. Yeah.
So there's a TD compilation that's being worked on. Yeah, okay,
is this breaking news? No, I didn't know this. We've
(40:54):
been out, like we've been talking about that. So but yeah,
but talking about music on TD and it actually coming
out is very too. So it's like two separate things.
The Black Hippie Album was talked about quite a bit.
It's now kind of the Kendrick J. Coleship was No, No,
I understood why. I'm just saying, you know, it's nice
(41:16):
to say, like, yeah, compilations, but is it gonna come
out compilations? Fire? Is it done? Mm hmm? I like this.
I like this.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He give me something to throw out this nigga.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Man, don't throw the candle, it's on fire. We'll listen
to the projects out Man, The Good, the Bad, the Dollar Menu.
Can you break down the title for me? Right? The Bad?
The struggle? Origin story? Is this your logan? What what
(41:54):
your origin story? Project logan? That's the nigga from X Man.
Yeah logan was the origin story for or Wolverine bro?
Is this your logan?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
This? Uh? Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's a weird fucking question. I don't uh makes sense
though when I say it though, now that you're thinking
about it a little.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
No, I don't know, bro that this project for me,
this is like my foundation project. The good, the bad,
the dollomenue comes from space. The good, you know, the
good ship that happens in the bad bashp dollarm you everything.
I'll be a right if you got enough money in
your project. If you got enough money, if I can
get someone off the domin, you'll be right. Good is
like steaks. Bad is like nothing. Dollar manu is cooked down,
(42:35):
there's no dollar. You're now exist. But when it's time,
when this project is created, like the time I'm trying
to put in the capsule is in those for.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Sure, I'm saying x l T. Do you remember your
favorite dollar menu item? Favorite dollar in your items go mcdonald'
streight double cheese maker, the MC double. Yeah. Yeah, you
get to mcdouble, the small fry and the dollar coke
three bucks, three dollars combo. Put the fries in the
fucking mcdouble, and if you're feeling frisky, you get that
hot and spicy MC chicken as well.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Four dollars made them gang bang?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
The MC gang bang? What is the MC gang bang?
Is that where you put the chicken with the burgers.
I kind of want to do that right now. That
makes me. That sounds amazing. I never put the chicken
patty with of course not Yeah, never could use baby
oil ever again. Thinks to that guy anyway, Yo, I
(43:28):
mean ship, I can't even go to the store and
buy baby oil. If I cannot imagine having a child
right now and you actually need to buy a baby oil,
you go to the fucking Walgreens, you try to buy
yourself a thing of baby stand. They're looking at you crazy.
They're gonna be like, you got kids? What if I
don't fuck anyway? Rayvon Man, incredible body of work. I'm
(43:49):
proud of you, bro. This is the music that I
know you are. You're sitting on some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I got some records.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I feel like people right now, like I said, there's
a foundation what we said in right now with this project.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, other people don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
They're gonna You're You're fucking incredible record's gonna come out
and your ability to be like vulnerable in your songs
and your music is second to none, dude. That's just
that's that's like, I don't know if that's a talent
as much as it's like some maturity ship. But it's important, man.
So thank you for putting this project out and thank
you for making hip hop exciting the last two months,
(44:25):
month and a half. Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Thank you for that. I appreciate it for sure. Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
We have we have It was fun, like you feel,
I feel like we like we we we we pushed
hip hop to the forefront again. I'm saying when Drake
then was said, it is hip hop was a forefront
you couldn't do. We we stopped the internet to make
them focus on rap. That's what it's about hip hop.
Hundred are part of hip hop.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I was like, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's all for the sport, for everybody involved, the whole
pro the whole East Coast.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
You know what I'm saying? Who is hip hop?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah? Shot to a chat to pro aer shots Ty,
the shout out to my guy Ray Vaughn. The album
is out, mixtape whatever he wants to call it. To
make him feel better about himself. It feels like an album,
but it's it's definitely an album, but it's called a
mixtape because contractually they got to call it that. I
get it anyway, but it's right, but it's right, you know.
That's why you and I know it anyway. It's an
(45:20):
incredible body of work. Second best album of the year,
second number two, number two, not quite number one, but
number two. Appreciate you, Rayvar and my Dog
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