#566 - AJ McQueen - $1,900 Album?! AJ McQueen Gets Real About The Independent Grind, His Purpose & Message to the Youth! - The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Instead of drawing a line in the saying like, hey,
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pray spaces where we all could operate and live in.
I may not see the world the way you see
the world, but I do need to eat healthy too,
or I pray too, or I want a healthy relationship too.
Everything don't have to be so black and white. So
I encourage all the independent artists, not even just independent
artist people to find themselves, like, find that thing within you.

(00:20):
You know what I'm saying that it's you, it makes
you unique, and then you market that Yo.

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(01:13):
special guests in here. Aj McQueen Lord, welcome Man. I
got put up on you man Homely nineteen keys that
sent me a ship to the God nineteen that's my brother, yeah, man,
so lute to him.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
How'd y'all link up?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Man? Very organically? I think, you know, we we both
kind of operate in the same spaces, right. So he
was doing he was doing an event, you know what
I mean, and then reached out, you know, so I
pulled up and then all bond just built from there. No,
he's solid man, yeah, no, super superman man. You know
he's from Saint Louis, you know what I mean as well,

(01:45):
So you know, just those those origins, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yo, how long like how long has this journey been
for you in terms of just like, like I guess
when you first started rapping, when you started to take
it serious, when you got some money, like when things
were like, oh we could. This is a thing. Now
we can actually pursue this full time. Like I'm I'm
a I'm a rephrase. I'm gonna answer I'm an rephrase
the question because I don't I'm not a rapper, but

(02:11):
I'm a writer, you know what I'm saying. And I
think that.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I want to bring that back to the cloth of
like artistry, right, Like I've been writing my whole life,
you know what I'm saying. Like I've been writing, bro,
I'm a real writer, like you know so, And I
feel like a lot of writers exist, they just don't
know there's no space to really camping in it on
the same level of rap. Right, So we're writing. I'm
writing my whole life, bro. Writing has always been a
therapy for me. You know what I'm saying, Like growing

(02:36):
up in the streets, Uh, you know I I grew
up in an abusive household. You hear me, So the
only way I could express myself. You know what's writing?
I grab a peanut, wrote on anything. You know what
I'm saying. So fast forward to force rapping around the neighborhood.
I was a battle rapper first. So if people hear
my music and hear like the way I punched. You

(02:57):
know what I'm saying, Like it's you know, I used
to battle rap, so uh just wrapped around the neighborhood. Yeah,
and then you know, fast forward to a lot of
Uh I had I had some I had some low
low moments in my life, So it wasn't I wouldn't
think about rapping right and there like that. It wasn't
until in high school. I used to Uh, I'm gonna say,

(03:18):
I'm gonna tell you I'm a I'm finished, show how
old I am? Uh memor Ck CD. He's a print
print joints of course, you know what I'm saying. Go around.
I used to just pass them out, bro, I wrote
on the on the top of the CD. You heard
me with a marker. You know. I used to pass
them out. And in my mind at that time, I
was the best rapper alive. So uh but to the

(03:38):
National Spotlight. I got invite to be on BT when
I was sixty park when I was nineteen, You know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
So was it a freestyle Friday or bro so.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Crazy?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
BT did a team violin special. I was a part
of a group at the time. You know what I mean?
And they single to be out of out of the
group because they heard my story. You know, from growing
up in Saint Louis, I started gang banking young, bro,
like super young. I got shot up when I was fifteen,
so shot twice. Yeah, I was a baby, bro. I
had just turned fifteen, you know what I mean, like
that month and I got shot and you know, I

(04:11):
got sent away. So it was it's a real, like
real deep story. But my life turned into something beautiful, bro,
you know what I mean, just a story of triumph
and perseverance. And so BT heard that and they invited
me to come to a teen violence special, you hear me.
So they made a team. They've never done a teen
violence special ever. And this is around the same time

(04:32):
of police brutality was high, you know what I mean,
a lot of like you know, injustice, social social uproar.
So they brought me there to the teen violence special
on me, uh and that's what put me in national spotlight.
But they put on the TV youth activists. I didn't
even know what the activist was, right, So, but it's
amazing how that kind of like foresaw and propheside to

(04:53):
what my life would end up looking like yeah. Yeah,
but you can't really find the episode online or where
they sponged it, you know what I'm saying, because it
was live.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh yeah, it's like almost damn. You're gotta like hit
them like he send me to take Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, no, they sponged it and I and I was
talking about God a lot. You know what I'm saying,
because you know my faith fact, the faith factor hit me,
bro because.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
The way they shot up the street. K I ain't
supposed to be here, Bro, were they looking? Were they
trying to shoot you?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah? Out of seven people on the person that got
shot and bullets, I mean you know how bullet holes
went through my my cousin's shirt or like it was.
It was that type of energy. I'm the only person
that got shot. And I met God on my back
like I was laying there and you know how they
say your life last for y'all. Yeah, like I used
to hear through movies until it happened. I'm looking up
at the sky, bro, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yo, do you feel like you like I don't know
how serious, like you're like like your wounds were, but
do you like were you like slipping in and out
of like whatever they call that like space between like yeah,
passing away and being here.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like no, I mean, because adrenaline is so high. I
even know I was shot until somebody like told me
I was shot.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
But you you you once you're.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I was cognizant and I saw the wounds.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I'm like, oh and then your brain like there's something
that turns on.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
It turns on, bro. So that happened, you know what
I mean. And it took like that. It took the
ambulance like forty five minutes to get there. You know
what I'm saying, I'm in. I'm in. I'm on the
north side of Slain Lewis. You heard me? So ain't
nobody coming over there? Bro? And what BT heard my story?
They did a special on it, and like I said,
I'm sad about got a lot, you know, just my
faith and they sponged it. But I ended up helping

(06:29):
a lot of people. And it's before Instagram's popping, right,
so I start getting booked all across the country. Well
all this is as a speaker. Nobody's you know, you
do music.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Not even on a music shit, just just to hear
your story.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
But what I would do throughout the bookings and you
know the speaking is I would uh, I would do acapellas.
You heard me, And I'm young man, so I'm getting
my stuff off, you know what I mean. So I
would do appellas and so that people start calling me
a poet at the time, you know what I mean.
But I really was just saying my verses slowly, you
know what I mean. And people start hearing me as
a poet, as a lyricist at that time, and it

(07:01):
really just trotted to the rest of my journey.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I got awarded the White House Service Achievement Award when
I was twenty three, Yeah, from Barack Obama. So yeah, Bro,
I wrote.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
A book to the White House.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, I'm a White House. I went the Capitol Hill.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Uh. You know it was did you meet Barry?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I did? I Actually I didn't meet him, but I
was in an oyster club, Bro, and all of them
was in the oyster club. I was just on the wall.
I was twenty three years old.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Bro, that's crazy, you.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Know what I'm saying. Like my journey, this is like
the two hundred version of me as we're talking, this
is a whole different version of me.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's been a journey of growth and all of it's
being dependent, you know what I'm saying. So everything that
people see from my career, I wrote a book. When
I was twenty three, I got award the White House
Service achieved in the award, I got my own day
in the cit of Houston from the mayor said, it's
the piece of Mayor sevest attornery. But I got my
own day. And with all of that, I started a
nonprofit organization first, and it was a writing and performing

(07:56):
arts organization, so it wasn't into all of this happened.
Then I started taking music. I stopped like, yeah, I
get it now, you know what I'm saying, Like like
and I and I And I'm grateful for that for
that journey, bro, because my music is real and the
raw because I've lived, you know what I'm saying. I live,
I live, Bro, Like everything I talk about is rich,

(08:19):
you know what I mean. It ain't just like so
it ain't like you know, I'm just I found some
newfound talent though this is this has been refined, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's interesting too because do you feel like had you
not been shot, that your journey would have been different the.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Way it would definitely be different. I'll probably be there
on jail either way. You know what I'm saying. You know,
with Saint Louis being what it is, right, But if
I if that didn't happen, because my mom sent me
away after that and I stayed with I was homeless
through our hospital. I stayed with six different families.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
What'd you get sent away to? Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
From there it was like h town.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah you know, so used to save my life, bro,
you know what I mean? And really the people. That's
why I have so much admiration for community humanity because
I've seen beauty in it too. I stay with old
white couple. I stayed with. You know what I'm saying.
I used some Hispanics Asi. So my view just on
life is different, and like I say, it's been refined.

(09:15):
So I started doing music, taking the music seriously three
years ago. Bro. So everything that people see three years old,
it's only three years old. But it's rich though.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You know, it's interesting because when something like that happens,
it's almost like it's either just another day or it's
going to change your life.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
It's like one of the two.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Because you know, there's people who get shot and nothing
changes nothing. But I feel like when something like that happens,
it's like a real fork in the road moment.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's about how you respond, I think, I think, you know.
It's we all have different moments, So it don't have
to be something of the Jurassic as getting shot, right,
But it could be how you respond to anger, how
you respond to disappointment, how you responded to a breakup
for sure, and respond to you know, being broke. Like's
that's who you are in real life? You know what
I mean? You are whoever you are when you are alone,
So whoever you are when you're around people and all

(10:10):
that ain't really you, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I would say too.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's like the craziest sh it is how everybody is
just like an emotional mistake away from like changing the
trajectory of their life at all times.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's why I said. And you know in my music
I talk a lot about like we talk, we talk,
we talk about the crash outs, but we don't talk
about the people who almost crashed out. The almost crash
outs is crazy because you learned that the lessons are
in the almost crashouts. Me, it's it's it's it's a
woman in the almost, but people don't want talk about
they almost because it'svul' vulnerable, right, you know what I'm saying.
You got to be vulnerable to say, yeah, man, I

(10:44):
almost lost my mom or I almost crashed out on
all y'all. You know what I mean, Like, because you
don't praise almost you almost the street nigga, you almost
shot somebody? You almost.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, It's like thank god, man, because I had a
lot of crash out moments when I was younger, but
the wasn't as prevalent as it is. So but it's
like you like you got to learn and like certain
shit is just not worth it.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's just like I really feel like life is just
it really boils down to how you react to adversity
or how you react when you're really when you're mad,
when you're sad, when you're disappointed, because it's it's in
those moments that you have to be composed, You have
to step back, let the dust settle, and just yeah,
because in those same moments, it's like if you're if it,

(11:32):
like I said, you could apply that to financial advice.
You could apply that like when people get freaked out
because you know, some crazy shit's happening, you don't look
at it.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Through the emotional lens. There's there's always opportunity to take
advantage of any situation.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know. It's like it's all about your spine. And
I believe that that's why my journey has been unique,
because I am the symbol of the almost. I'm the
symbol of evolution, right like we again, we got Street,
we got Street Niggas, we got we got all that.
But have you ever seen it evolved when before? Have
you ever seen somebody like go beyond it? You know

(12:08):
what I'm saying and looking and be able to talk
about it holistically. I don't know. I don't know. Poked
out of twenty five. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
It is wild.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's crazy. Every time I hear that out loud, it's like, damn,
he really did diet twenty five five.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Nip was the closest to me, and I'm a big
like you know child, and Nip we on West Coast
for show. Nip was definitely a kindred spirit of mine
and I never met him, right, but it's amazing how
a lot of people have, Like, man, you feel like
you remind me of somebody. But I believe it's just
because of the evolution of it, Like you know, Nip

(12:40):
being you know what I'm saying, from the streets whatever,
and you saw him evolving in different spaces, you know.
I think that, And it's unfortunately he was taking you know,
they had thirty three, but we don't see the people
live to be able to go beyond it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think it's it's it's like the thing about Nip's passing,
as sad and tragic as it was, is like it
and into like a lot of people being inspired and
going back and digging in his interviews.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
And like like he like changed the world like after
his death for real.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, Like like there's people who like like look at
shit way differently because of it, because they found out
about him after he passed.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think I think that's I think there's beauty in that,
you know what I mean. But it's still tragic, right,
It's it's Inadverden, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But it's still like it's like, man, it's almost like
you know when when you go through because I was
I was personal friends with Nip. That was the homie
man like I've been knowing nip since two thousand and nine, bro,
that was when he was first on my show. But
I know, like him passing, it was a tragedy. I mean, dude,
when he died, LA stopped in a way that was

(13:49):
Kobe passed away not far after, and it wasn't the same.
And I said that to say, like Nipsey, like do
they like that?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
It was?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
It was it was like you could feel, like imagine Bro,
like a pin drop in the city, you know, and
the same thing with Kobe, you know. But I do
think it's it's been beautiful to just see his legacy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Growing and his reach growing, and.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, if there's any positive to take out of
his passing, it's like, you know, more and more people
are It's it's almost like the Tupac pot past.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's like there's kids who love Tupac that were born
fifteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (14:30):

Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's what I say. It's the inadvertent part of it all.
But while I'm trying this experiment out as I live
through it is to see what it looks like when
the raw soul, the ex Gang Bang hood, you know,
gets fast fifty gets right, like get old in my locks,
turned grade, bro, and what kind of responses that I have.

(14:51):
You know, my Molla died at thirty five, so I'm
saying like revolutionaries don't really don't really live and so
you know, like if God gets me grace, excuse me
to continue to grow and live and be here while
being my authentic ros self. I want to show all
the youth them everybody in the streets. Everybody in the
world would look like you see an eighty year old

(15:12):
reform gang member who grew evolved, got money, healthy relationships,
got kids, his family good. It's people good. He got
he good in this community. I want to show them
because I don't think the people, especially the youth, they
can't see that far you're hearing because ain't nobody like
who's showing it. The ones who probably did it, they off,

(15:32):
they disconnected from it all, which is beauty. But God
told me to use it. So that's why I still use.
You know, everything I've been through and I haven't put
it in my back view, you know what I'm saying,
because I can. I've done so much stuff where I
ain't got to talk about that no more, right, But
I still do because that's what I'm caught the reach, Yo.

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part of like people saying that there's not a lot

(18:21):
of music for or artists for the kids to kind
of like look up to, because if if the algorithm
is just feeding them all this crash out shit, all
this you know, you know whatever you want to call it, right,
But there is there's guys like you, there's got you know,
there's there's amazing artists out there who are doing amazing shit.

(18:43):
The problem is is, like I think just the artist
discovery methods that are like the kids are using it,
it's really like they're not like seeking out new music
as much as it's just kind of like they got
to swipe and it's got to hit their algorithm.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's systematic, bro for sure, like
it feels that way. It's definitely just about it. But
I think that, you know, even going back to Nip
Nip said, he said, and I apologize, I get it wrong,
but he said, ur generation gonna become you know, there
comes one who decldes the matrix, you know what I'm saying.
And that's when I'm that He was that there's there's

(19:18):
people who will show a path, who will light a
path in a different way, like my My brand is
on the same level like my my notoriety, whether people
know it or not. But if you go to my
page and go to my streams or come to my tour,
you will see a line around the block and be like,
what the hell going on her? You know what I'm saying, Like, No,
you go see the five hundred and thirty thousand followers

(19:39):
and you will see it. So it's happened. It's a
movement happening. But the path's not lit you hear me.
So I'm like in the past and it's not celebrated,
right right, But there's people like yourself who are in
the industry who hold spaces for you know what I'm saying,
like raw souls and real people, and I think that
there's beauty in that and also stuff he repeats itself,
bro like history piece itself. Music would be yourself, nas

(20:02):
pop Common, you know, Badu, the Soul Crarions and just
people who spoke to a deeper spoke a deeper message.
It's all coming back around.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But it's interesting because there's pages that would never post
your freestyles, your music, but if you got shot tomorrow
in Houston and passed away, Lord forbid, you would be posted.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah that's fucking crazy. It's systematic. I think J Cole
said that right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's systematic. But like I said, we were in such
a d I wild world, now you know what I
mean the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, shots of guys like yourself.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
La Russell's done a really good job of showing people like, hey,
you don't have to follow the blueprints.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah no, no, no, like we were able to build
our own system. So and now don't get me wrong,
It still goes in front of people to choose right now,
you know what I mean. You can't you know that's
free will. God will even take that from you. So
people got to choose what they want to take part in.
And don't get me wrong, there's some dual there there, bro,
Like you're hearing me, there's artists that I love, may
not you know, speak the same right, right or whatever? Yeah, yeah,

(21:04):
you know what I mean. But but also I can
see the I can see it. I can see the
beauty in it. I mean, Pak was a conflicted soul,
you know what I.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Mean, Like all the greats are low key, very conflicted,
very like if you heard like Navs say some ship
like like this, like I mean, jay Z is it
black Girl Losses the short you've had right?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
He said that. It was like it's it's like this
is this is humans.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, And I think that that's why they're like, it's
just a movement now that's happening to where the raw souls,
raw music is found in this place. No, bro, it
ain't gospel, like, it ain't Christian music. You're gonna hear
me talk about God. You're gonna hear me talk about
life and health and eating healthy. And you know what
I'm saying. I don't kill nobody on music. I don't
beat no women, bro on the grade. But the same

(21:45):
energy I just did you know while rapping or the
music you're gonna heard the same energy that your favorite
rapper god while he's spinning and talk about shooting right.
So it's the confidence like people want to steal. I
don't care what you talk about in your music, Bro,
it can't be like yeah, and that's my thing, Like
it ain't. People don't want to. It ain't about your
content more so than it's about the energy you put

(22:07):
behind it. Do you believe it? You gotta be convinced
in order to be convincing, like, yeah, no, I don't
believe you when you when you're saying it yourself. You
know what I'm saying. So why would you go go
out there and then you want to blame that on
the industry. No, Bro, you still need to find your
your you know, your path and your honesty and your transparency.
I found mine and I'm lighting a path to help

(22:28):
other people show.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, it's interesting because like you said, it's like you
can enjoy it like I I mean the I remember
I used to be a hip hop snob when I
was a kid, and and then I.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Was like why I used to be like a backpack
like rap real, it's not real rap. You know, it's
not real hip hop. But it's like bro, Like if
you can't enjoy fucking sexy. I love sexy Red. I
love sexy Red, and I love you know I don't
you name it cord.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Or rhapsody rap cool, I'll just give you those are
the two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love shouts of wrap.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
She's one of the great I would love to.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Do a song rap I think. I think it will
change the world.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
She's amazing.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, I love, I love, I love rap.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
She's one of the greatest mcs, like on the planet.
Like I hate, I hate when they put her in
like the best female rapper. No, she rap out bar
like she's insane. But you you can enjoy both, Like
I love sex.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
She got bangers.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's a duality, and I
think we find that place and all this division. I
don't even think God's pleased with the level of division
that we have. Don't get your own life should be
about principles, right, and moral you know, moral values and
you know what I'm saying, righteousness, I believe in that.
But the way the human nature is set up, you
know what I'm saying, Like the grace and the and
the and the the understanding that we should have. I

(23:53):
feel like we've lost that as people and we've weaponized knowledge,
weaponized money, and weaponized wealth. But on humanity level, once
we get back to seeing everybody as humans, you know
what I'm saying, First, you're not a body with a soul.
Your soul with a body, bro and that ain't got
no social class, no race, no no, no nothing. When we
able to get to that, then I think we can

(24:15):
we can operate it off food.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I think the whole world needs to give people
more grace, whether it's in political politics, whether it's in music.
I hate when I see people like.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Coming across like they're talking down on something or they
know better where it's like, hey, like your truth isn't
that person's truth isn't You know what I'm saying. So
it's like, you know, I think I think, like you said,
you got to give people more grace, and you also
got to understand like not everyone's path the same not
everyone's life the same, Not everybody's motivations are the same, and.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It ain't it ain't gonna ever be the same. But
you can control what you can control. I told somebody
this the other day and they stopped in their tracks.
God ain't American facts, even though.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
They want you to think that God ain't American. Like,
God's not an American, God's not from Israel. God's fucking
let me.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Let me go deeper. God ain't American. God ain't black
or white. God ain't male or female. God is none
of it. Don't get me wrong. There's there's there's polarity,
and you know, a masculine front or this what what
have you been? On a deeper level, God ain't American.
So while you thinking in your box and your and
your your big house down the street or your whatever,
that God sitting there. The way you see the world

(25:26):
is law. The way you see people is law, and
that's gonna be it. You're gonna be mistaken, you know
what I'm saying. God ain't American.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like, there's a there's a hut. There's a tribe in
Africa somewhere on the other side of the world that
probably you know will spur you in your head. You
know what I'm saying. You come over there being disrespectful
that that that believe in God too, And so who
am I to go? And you know what I mean,
weaponize what I believe, what I think I.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Know, and judge.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
And that's why I operate the way I do. Don't
get me wrong. My story, my testimony, my principles, my
truth is something I'm gonna live and die on. But
and I'm not a threat to you as long as
you're not threat to my pressholes, our value, my truth. Brother.
But I'm not gonna go attack the world for it.
I'm gonna like the path and show the way.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, no, I love that. That's crazy. It's interesting because
we I feel like the world, I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Most most huge wars are religion based, right Yeah, not
to mention like so many of the world's conflicts right now,
people like it's like the whole idea of like religion
and God is like forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
You can't put a nationality on it. You can't put
a region of the world on it. It's like, yeah,
that's what I say.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I believe, you know the most when it's all said, whenever, whenever,
I ain't gonna be disappointed, man, you know what I'm saying.
But again, because we've able to create these systems in
this division and most people. But one thing I love
about music is like music is of the arts, liberal arts.
It's not called conservative arts, brother, right, liberal arts, man,

(27:08):
So be free express yourself. And that's where I again,
it took me yours to get to a place where
I'm like, okay, and I literally stopped everything. Everything I
told you I was doing, I stopped. I don't do
none of it no more. All I do it's right here.
And I get two tours last year selling our shows
all indie. You know what I'm saying, No label, all independent.

(27:30):
You're hearing me. Maybe I've had conversation with labels, but
you know we you know, we're doing it ourself.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Her.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, I mean I think at the end of the day,
like a major label situation, it just has to be
like you have to just get everything you.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Asked for, give me me and let me alone. I'll
give you money back later.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's literally, yeah, Like it's like at a certain point
in time, it's like yo, cause I see you're you're
doing the thing on even that a lot of artists
are being able to do, which is essentially like go
straight to consumers and monetize because the streaming rate is
fucking insane, right that sold you?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You sold an album for two grand?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, ninety hundred.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So it's like just to give people like an idea
of like what that breaks down to, Like the streaming
rate on Spotify, depending on what time of the year
it is, nineteen hundred dollars is on the high end,
that's a happen million straight. Yeah, So it's like fuck that.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's beauty. There's so much beauty and independence right now,
you know. And independence doesn't mean a loan, right Like
independence means independent. It means you know, you you trying
your own path, you making your own decisions, and you're
making strategic partnerships. That's why I deal with you know,
even United Masters, you know what I mean, just making
strategic partnerships and get bringing power back to the artists,

(28:45):
you know what I mean. So I'm able to go
straight to the to my fans and also collect the data.
So yeah, you're gonna buy this project, but I'm also
about to email you about this show, and it's merch
because I got the data, I can extract it through
a CSV file, you hear me. And it's just it
makes you your own ball, your own label. And I
think that everybody should embrace the independent on.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, obviously, there's like artists where you're like, if
you do like pop music, you do like a certain
genre of music, You're like, you know, I mean, maybe
this this needs to be in a machine for it
to really go to the next level.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
But I do feel like when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Hip hop, it's like you got to build a flock man,
and there's so much, there's so much it's coming now.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
This is cheat cood, drop of cheat code. It's marketing,
it's marketing. You know, you got a bag, you got
money right now, you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna
I'm gonna courage you to put it in marketing. You
know what I'm saying. Make sure marketing exposure, make sure
you the world season. You can do that so easily.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Now when you say marketing, what would you say would
be Because I feel like a lot of artists they
don't like, let's say someone's got ten grands shaved up right,
they don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
What to do with it.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, these a lot of these pages are not label bought.
You know what I'm saying. They work with the label too,
you know what i mean. So you know you're on
the radars, your Wrap Marathon, all these different platforms. They
not bought by labels. You know what I'm saying. These
are real people that if you hit them up. You
know what I'm saying, you say, hey, you know what
I mean. I got X y Z. You know what

(30:11):
I'm saying. And you know, Shade Room ain't brought by nobody.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
You're like, yeah, but they'll they'll and if they if
it is a sponsored post or an ad post, it'll
say that, it'll say that, right, so so, but there
are a lot of pages that aren't saying yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And that's the thing, Like, I think there's more of
people that if they see of course, you willn't invest
in yourself. You got you know, you've got a ten
grand There's pagers out there that you could throw five
hundred at. You know what I'm saying to say, pop Now,
don't get me wrong, what a label, what marketing won't
do is make the good content. You have to have
the right song, like you got you you gotta it

(30:45):
ain't gonna Yeah, you'll spend your money, and after it
spends a cycle, it's goned fizzle out, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah. I always say, like I tell this to people
all the time because I have people playing music. Hey,
I'm thinking about working with the Start.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I say, look, at the end of the day, my
opinion is just my opinion on if your music's good
or not. It doesn't mean that it's It's all subjective, right,
it's art. So it's like, but at the same time,
it's like, what is a fact is it doesn't matter
how much money you spend. If the music does not resonate,
it don't matter.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
None of it matters. There's no cheat code to making
music that connects with people. There's like that does not exist.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It don't exist at all. So you can spend the money,
it's gonna fizzle out and you ain't gonna see.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It again, and you will never be able to tour
because to me, I always look at the hard ticket sales.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's like, oh, if you you're oh, you sold out
five hundreds. Even someone sells out too in a person show,
I respect the fuck out of it.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's still sold out.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Because I'm like, oh shit, you were able to move
two hundred tickets in the city you're not from.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Wow, I sold out Atlanta on a Monday night, four
hundred tickets. That's big night, you know what I'm saying. Monday.
I was touring throughout the week and weekends, you know,
because when you work independence, you're gonna take your slots
as you get them, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I mean in these days more than ever, it's like
if you are resonating enough with somebody for them to
get a babysitter, spend money that they don't have extra
money right now just to go see you do what
you do.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
That means what your whatever you're doing on whatever levels working.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I got people flying from all over the country
to come to shows. I wasn't getting booked for festivals
at first, so I started my own festivals called God
by the Weekend. So I do it in Houston early years.
I'm out through the fourth annual, and so there's thousands
of people that come from all over just to be
in the city for like four days. And yeah, bro,
it's been beautiful. Kids came last year. I've been talking

(32:33):
to a whole bunch of people who I resonate with
inviting them to come through, and it's just a space
for you know, celebrating like the positivity, you know, like
healthy stuff. You know what I'm saying. Because again there's
duality there, right. I think that the more instead of
drawing a line in the saying like, hey, you either
come on the side, going on inside, create spaces where
we all could operate and live in. I may not

(32:53):
see the world the way you see the world, but
I do. I do need to eat healthy too, or
I pray tool or I want a healthy relationship too,
you know what I'm saying. And everything don't have to
be so black and white. So I encourage her all
the independent autists, not even just independent arts people to
find themselves, like find that thing within you. You know
what I'm saying, that it's you, it makes you unique,

(33:14):
and then you market that.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's like I'm pushing like good relationships.
Tive is amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's almost the vision I heard. I hate. I hate
seeing some of the stuff. Oh that's going on. I
hate it.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Quick break Man.

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Speaker 3 (33:57):
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I like the last.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I'm not gonna lie ever really ever since, like I'll
be twenty sixteen. It's got to where a lot of
the craziest political shit started.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
But I might gonna lie. Like once Biden got in
the way that the whole Biden shit went, I just
I was, I got broken, dog, I was like, I am,
I gotta step away from all this shit, Like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I can't be like politically engaged on a daily basis
without wanting to fucking like stab my eyes out.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And then to today it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
It's like today it's like a Netflix show, like playing
out in real life like this Elon Trump, shit is.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Y'all saw that?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's wild?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
He say, Epstein, this, that's.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's Kendrick and Drake. If it was Drake versus dre
it's two Drakes in the battle.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Drakes. Yeah, man, two Drakes in the Battle's crazy, you know.
And like I said, it's a lot of that going on.
But I also think that there is a lot of
beauty still in the world, you know what I'm saying,
As crazy as it is, and I think that beauty
is created through moments like this, through moments of people
just being the raw self. Like you know, whoever you are,

(35:05):
when you're by yourself, that's who you are investing to
that person, you know what I'm saying. Like like I don't.
I've been taking solo trips lately, you know what I mean.
So at the top of the year, I went to
the d Off seven days, bro by yourself, by myself. Bro.
I'm out of her Bro. I just came back from
Jamaica like two weeks ago, where I went everywhere Bay Grill. No,

(35:27):
I didn't go to the grill. I went to a
Tigo Bay Flanker. But I'm I'll do no touristy stuff.
I'm with the local. I'm a Rosters. Yeah you know
what I mean. So I go to locals at and
just take a break from everything. That's healthy. Attachment is healthy.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yo, that's crazy. I feel like more people should this.
So it's almost like we're shamed. If you go to
the movies by yourself, people look at you like you
went to the movies that.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I've been going. I've been single for three years, but
I've been going a lot, a lot of solo trip
because you know, just not repeating cycles. Man, especially where
I'm at now. I could do some I could do
some wild ship.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah oh you yeah, bro, I can.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But just because you can do anything doesn't mean you should.
And I think there's beauty and restraint. There's beauty and retention.
There's beauty and resetting, and there's beauty and and and
and Nip said something, he say, uh, we gotta we
gotta change how we respond to disrespect. You know what
I'm saying. And it resonated with me a while ago, right,
And that's I showed the same sentiments. We have to

(36:28):
change how we respond to loneliness. Bro. Like loneliness, there's
a difference between being lonely and being in solitude, bro, Like,
loneliness is the response, it's the sorrow of like, man,
they left me solitude, you chose that.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Loneliness is like like you said, it's like a chosen
state of mind. If if you you know, like if
you want to dwell in your if.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
You want to ruminate, you know what I'm saying. And
then yeah, like, but in solitude is I chose? I
chose this, bro, So I've been doing I've been choosing it.
You know what I'm saying. I told you about my
life that was forced on me. Loneliness was forced on me.
I got sent away from my mother, my sisters, my uncle,
and my dad for yours. Bro. My mama said I
could not come back because they're trying to theyre trying

(37:11):
to kill me, and you know, family get caught up
in across for so I'm living out of a trash
bag for yours, you know what I mean. So I
was lonely. So now as a as a man, I can.
I can need to choose to fill my space up
with vanity and the whole once ship. I can? I can?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I can.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
My house could be jumping every night every single night.
And I ain't saying I don't want to get up
and present ultimate poise like I just be in.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
The mug, but like you could definitely be.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But no, I'm trure. My brethren will tell you, like
we we we cut from a different cloth. We you know,
we want to be noblemen. You know what I'm saying.
Like I'm a I'm I'm a gangster and a gardener. Bro.
Like I've shown people the duality of it, and that's
why I believe that it's my time, because the world
needs to see something different that you know, the men
want to be. They want to still hold onto their stuff,

(37:58):
but they don't know how to take the gangst off
and hang it in the closet and take it out
when you need it. You know what I'm saying. They
don't know how to how to Yeah, I want to
go out and drink, smoking whatever, whatever. Yeah, don't get
me wrong, but bro, you need some You need a
smoothie or something, my nigga, Like you need a juice,
you know, you need you need to see somebody. Yeah, cook,

(38:20):
you're every like, But but who's showing it in a
way that's not Dare I say demasculating you or me
or corny or corny or religious or you know what
I'm saying, who's showing in a way like damn? Like,
so I can be myself. I can love my woman.
I cannot fight somebody, but fight if I have to.

(38:41):
I can not crash out almost crash out. I can apologize.
I could be a man of my word, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I can reserve, I can control
my dick. Like who's showing it and in a way
that's that's up. I'm gonna say mainstream, but who's showing
it towards like damn, that's that's what we need to
inspire to be, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, I think that we've unfortunately, like man like the
we grew up in an era that like our parents
have to grow up and and that is the era
of like everything is accessible at any time. Yeah, and
that means the Internet's got the craziest shit. You become
to sensitize a certain shit, and the only fans culture

(39:23):
is fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
To get off Facebook, bro, Like when did Facebook get pulln?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'm sitting there trying to trying to respond to my auntie,
you know what I'm saying, and then she over there putting, uh,
what age do what age do parents? Parents get to
when they start using gifts on early times.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'm gonna tell you this, bro, my dad and my
mom and my dad says me ten tiktoks today.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with dad. My
chill out on the gifts.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Man. It's like my dad just smokes weed in his
office and just swipes and it's like, so, and check
out this French bulldog.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
You can say skateboard, you can say thank you, can
stay type thank you. You don't have to send me
with like a smiling like I don't need that.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So like happy Birthday with like like their own their
own avatar holding balloons.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm gonna block you.

Speaker 3 (40:07):

Speaker 1 (40:08):
But you know, like what like there's knowledge is disparity, bro,
Like the more you know, the more you held accountable,
you know what I'm saying. So while we celebrating, while
people love the fact that we can in five seconds
know what's happening all over the world, it's really disparity
because you know what's happening on the world back then, bro,
before even the mirror was creating, you know, like the

(40:28):
mirror is a man made thing. Bro, they ain't had
no mirror, so how were they able to see themselves?
It was all internal, bro, all through the hospital. You
ain't know what you look like, so you.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Were so it didn't even I don't even think it mattered.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It didn't matter. So while they're while we celebrating advancement
in society, I think that we should also take heed
to the disparity and the lack of internal reflection. We
have our own reticular activating system. We got our own
internal clock and we but now we I need my
clock to tell me, I need my schedule to tell me.
How did they know where to be?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Right back then?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
But they was always where they need to be.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I just think back to like how how in the
world could you get around?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Like I remember my parents we went on a road
trip and my dad bought an atlas book from the
gas station, and so he had to go through and
find the route and then like you you miss.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
A turn, Oh you oh, you're fucked. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
But it's like even like even back back before, like
everyone had GPS and it was you had to print
the map, quest direction Hey, Bro, I was I was.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Definitely doing that, you know what I'm saying, and holding
the pave a wild driving. Yeah, but I think, you know,
I think that's why detachment is so important. I think
that's why meditation, prayer is still important as this world
becomes more advanced. Bro, It's something that will never change.
It's the fact that you can steal while you driving
a Tesla super call or or a flow on in whatever,

(42:01):
or on your phone. You can cut all that off, Bro.
You can go to the park and you can sit
in a damn grass, bro and feel the most since
the beginning the time that was there at least thought.
You know. I think then while we can, we should
hold on.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's hard to disconnect from the matrix for even for
an hour.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, but you should, I mean, but that's what I'm saying.
It's a practice. I think that we should practice it.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
You may not be no guru. And what I hate, KEM,
is the fact that conversations stuff that I'm saying gets
put into a conscious box of spirituality box, religion box.
Oh Bro, this is humanity.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm just talking about you a human You're a human being,
not a human doing but you always doing shit, So
I'm just telling you to be I'm just saying, chill
your phone. That stuff gonna beat her. When you stuff,
it's gonna beat her.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Like we're addicted, man. I mean it's funny because everyone's
talking about like when are we going to integrate with
technology officially? Obviously Elon is doing the neurolink and all
that we already are. This thing is an extension of
every human being. If you lose this, if you don't
have it, you feel broken, you panic, you feel naked.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So it's like we already are that.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I saw this movie called Upgrade. You ever heard
the Upgrade?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, fucking crazy movie. By the way, that shit was sick.
That movie crazy, super crazy. I think I was highest
ship when I watched it too.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Watched it three times, bro, just to make sure that
I caught everything that I saw, and it was. It
was crazy. But you know it's a message in it,
of course. Yeah, And that's why I say I think
that as this world continues to get advanced, holding onto
simple truths. Man, you know, you got yourself, you know
what I'm saying, And they're gonna add to you, but
you got yourself and the spirit and your soul and
the stillness, the stillness of the voice in it, so

(43:44):
pushing back from everything, solo tripping, Cold plunging, Bro, I.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Love cold plunge and I love cold three or four times.
I try to how cold you go forty.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I think forty between thirty five to forty degrees.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
That's fucking yeah. Try to. I try to do like
thirty nine, forty, forty one, forty two.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I'm in there, bro, and I'll be I could get
I could get to.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Depending on how cold it is. I get to about
three minutes. But if it's like forty one forty two,
if I got a hommy like I could and we're
talking and me talking, or I can. When I do
the cold Plunch, I like to throw my headphones in
and call somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Like it just keeps your mind off of the fact
that your fucking die.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I did something. I did something stupid one day. Bro.
I'm gonna tell you, Bro, cause I gotta tell you
somebody that I would say confessial false to one another. Listen, Bro,
I did the Cold Plunch twenty minutes, Bro, twenty almost die.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
It was pink almost died, Bro, And I even realized
I mean I would have been pink.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I was going through the shit today, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, like I just went inside
my It was like Goku and the hyperbolic CHAINB. But
like I was in there and I felt my brain
was and did you not realize you were in there
for that long? Realize it?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
And so by the time I realized it, I got
up and I went straight to the high you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, Bro, My I felt my uh
my level and my spleen whatever this area right here
it was frozen, bro. My feet were frozen. I was.
I felt myself like fade, not fading, but like I
I didn't you know what I mean, Like it didn't
feel right, and I was like I don't need to

(45:15):
go to the mercy wrong, bro, Like like this is crazy. Bro,
I ain't tell. I ain't even tell my people because
they were laughing.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Did you hit the hot tub just bro?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And but I did it immediately. So while I'm sitting
in there, I still feel my whole body froze minutes.
I will never ever in my life. I don't care whatever.
I ain't got none to prove, bro. But I was
I blacked out in there like I was. Really that's
the cold plunge. My, it's my safe place, bro. I
love it. I cold plunged like three four times a week.
Of course there's the health benefits, but just the mental

(45:45):
the mental benefits.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah. I like to do like a hot sauna, then
the cold plunge and then back in the back and
the yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Bro and so and just just working out, taking carry
your mont to carry your body so hard.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Eating so funny too, because like you know, I been
trying to do as good as I came on my
health and staying active. But it's like every year, like
a three month period where I just fall off the
fucking rails.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Like I get it. It's so hard.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's funny, how like diet discipline and but but when
you because I really enjoy working out and hooping. Yeah yeah,
so like yeah, so like for me, I hate cardio,
but I could fucking go five on five like three
games in a row. I'll be dying, you know, but
it's fun. I don't think about that thing sucks and

(46:33):
I'm super competitive. So it's like, so I get into
like the habit of like playing basketball three or four
times a week.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
It doesn't feel like I'm going to work out. I
love basketball, so let's go hoop.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You know, I'll be getting disappointed when I go to
the fucking y ms and I just got to fucking
shoot by myself.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
No, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
But but it's it's such a it's such a like
you know, people got to I feel like there is
like a if you could find a way to make
the physical activity part something you enjoy. Yeah, Like I
know when Cook was losing weight, he was playing pickleball,
and he enjoyed it, not as.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Much as he enjoys the burgers though, the pickles. No pickleball.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
You know, it's like it's like tennis, right, Bro, you
missed the bar. Bro you said, not as much he
enjoyed the burgers. I said the pickles.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Oh you did that?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
That was that was a bar. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I just thinking like, like everybody got to try to
be more healthier man, everyone. I mean, discipline, man, is
the number one thing that the world is lacking. That
that that mankind lacks. Bro, Whether like you said, it's
controlling your dick, whether it's controlling.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, just I think, you know, just to show people,
like to make you real A good place to start
if you struggle with discipline is start with the smallest things.
You know what I'm saying, like, don't go like, oh yeah,
I'm about to start disciplining them all off and the
arn hall all day and and.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You know, like when you get home, don't just throw
your clothes on the floor and then getting like no,
put your shit away.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Right like you know, you know, but something that simple
as making your bed up, you know the same. Have
the same mindset that it takes to make your bed
up in the morning. It's the same amount of discipline
it will take to do everything.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
It's funny because everybody always says that if you can
make your bed in the morning every day, can do everything.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's the same thing because you don't have to. Ain't
nobody looking most of it? Most of it and nobody's
in your room. It's something you're doing for you, right.
So if you apply that to you know, fitness, you
hear I mean to eating, to journaling, you know what
I mean to whatever?

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Speaker 1 (49:27):
Do you do the journaling I brought everything. Yeah, it
keeps me from crashing up.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's some ay, because it's like it's almost like, uh,
it's crazy because as like as the world has evolved
over the years, that's something that like is not. It
used to be like a really normal thing, right because
like I mean shit, when I was a kid, girls
would have diaries. It was like, Yo, I got you
a diary for your birthday. Nowadays, I don't know what

(49:55):
a kid would do if you bought them a fucking diary.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Like you know what I mean, Like true, No, it's
it used to be a thing you go, you'd go
to the store like.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Not like Barnes and Noble. You'd be like a Target
and they'd have a diaries. They don't have fucking diaries
of Target anymore, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Journaling is a big practice of mind. And like I say,
that's what I mean by the marketing of not even
just the market, but the exposure because in my world,
like the place where I be, the people who are
we were just talking about journaling this morning. He got
upset this morning because he couldn't find his journal and
so it's normal where I'm like, well, my people, it's

(50:30):
normal versus I think that it's just and it's just
making stuff like I don't say, make it cool again,
but like it's just making stuff like Bro, it's litive
journal Bro, like it's it's it's I think it's gangs.
Therapeutic healing is gangster. B It's the most gangster thing
I ever did was Hell and address my trauma, forget
my mom and my daddy, bro and apologize. That's the
most gangs out of everything I've ever seen and done

(50:51):
in the streets, the most gangs shit I ever did
was Hell. And what's the slow down journaling? It's my thoughts,
it's me getting my my my thoughts out saying. And
I think that if we encourage that more, a lot
of these crash outs, a lot of a lot of
these situations that be happening, it would just be slower
to anger. You know what I'm saying, It'll be It'll
just be slower, bro, not saying like I know, I

(51:12):
can't say the world, but like Park said, I may
not change it, but I will spark the minds of
those that will. And I know that I have and
that's what I'm continued to do is to spark the minds,
the souls and the spirits. Even if I could just
get you to slow down a little bit, you might
get you just a thing. You know. That's why you
need to man, come on aj McQueen or come to
or whatever, because I'm gonna help you slow down. But

(51:35):
I'm still real. I'm still myself, Like I'm not some
fake person that goes to this building and change my
persona then come back out. Nah like this me.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, you don't put on you don't put on the
the you know, you said this earlier, but like I
feel like back in the day, yeah, there was conscious rappers,
but it was like their image image does that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I definitely agree. I definitely agree.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And so it was like when they're on camera when
they're doing shows, it was like, oh, you're like super conscious,
but then like you're also like not like you're yeah,
you're more like back then, you're more like Mason Puffy
than you are, like you know, the most death seeing.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
You eat a pork chop sandwich, brother, and you said
that you don't eat swan like you know, like it's.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Just it's just I think that again, the wine is divine.
By the way, I love the swine.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Get that pork off your fork.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I love it. You went to Jamaica and didn't enjoy
the pork.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Not at all. I have some good fruits, some good mangos.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
But of course, yeah, but you know what I'm saying.
But listen, Jesus, go to one of those little side
of the road spots. O.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Man, my mama used to make a real good pork
chop fried pork chop sandwich, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
And that sounds amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
We got into it, we got in to the argument
of the day. Because she's making some pork. I went
over to her. I got my mamat the hood. I
bought her. Yeah, yeah, bro, she ain't in the hood moment.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
She's in Houston or in Saint Louis, okay, Joe Man,
in her own place and it's beautiful, right.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But she was making a porch chop of sandwich. And
I said, I said, get this swam off your mind.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
She said, Boy, I've been eating pork my whole life.
It ain't done nothing to me. You need something, you know,
like and I and when I left, I was thinking,
I'm like, damn, she you know what I mean like
they used to some wild you know what I mean,
Like I've seen her eat.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
A bowl of chickens and that's why I can't do
the chill.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
But I could eat a burger and my whole body
make me feel.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Like you know what I'm saying, like if I if
that's the one thing, there's two things I'll never eat.
Chitlin's and then the Filipinos. They got some shit called bullet.
It's a half incubated bird egg.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, I'm cool, And there's just two.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I can't do the intestines and I cannot do the
bird the half eaten like these like my homies in
the Philippines a week ago and he tried it, so
there's there's like feathers like.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, I can't do.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
But look b A l U T. Yeah yeah, yeah,
most of my I was damn near saying all of
my Filipino homies don't fuck with it, but like their
grandmas used to eat it. You know, it's like a
thing out there.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
And I just introduced one of my homegirls. Well yeah,
one of my homegirls to dragging fruit first time.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Never dragon fruit.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, dragon fruit change your life better and and it
helps you know, it helps everything flow properly. You know
what I'm saying, Like good, it's amazing, bro, the yellow
dragon fruit preferably, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Like, I just do blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, put them in
a shake with some yogurts, protein.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
And dragon fruit, mango. You know what I'm saying. I'm
planting like and it's just again just balancing. Man. I
think that the world, the food and the as technology
is advancing, the food is advancing, and not.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Not in a good way way, not in a good way.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
So the simple going back to the simple truth, I
think that everything that God made before we touched it
was good. So eat of the land, you know what
I'm saying, and spending time outside.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
All that my uh my boy, chuck, he says. And
I'm trying. I've been. I've been on this like recently.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
If it doesn't have a seed or never had a heartbeat,
don't need it, so it's like it comes in a bag.
If it's got like all that processful process. That's the
one thing that like I'm just hoping that there's like a.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
There's anything positive to take from the administration that you know,
RFK is trying to ban like some of this ship.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, the blue, the blue number nine, the red dye,
and you know some of these seed oils. And I got,
I got a bar, I said, I said, I said,
you eating that processed food. You in a process move?
You know what I'm saying. And I believe it. Like
your move, You're not you know what I'm saying, like,
because you are what you eat. Yo, yo, your stomach
is your second brain.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
If you want to know how fucked we are, just
walk through the Cereal aisle. Cereal aisles crazy. I gotta stay.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
They got they I just I was at roups like
two days ago and I was walking through the Cereal
aisle and they had and you know, I love me
some fucking cereal dog. You know what I'm saying all time,
it's gotta be apple Jack's Peanut Butter Crunch or.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
You wanted new ones, bro apple Jacks apple Jack's Peanut
Butter Crunch.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
With a.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Crunches of course, that's on the that's on the That's
a grail. That's a grail for sure. It's start getting
soggy fast.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You know what's really good that's like a newer one
is the Captain Crunch all Berries. That Captain Crunch All
Berries is a fucking problem line.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
You never a message. I'll be skipping a cereal hour bro,
because you know, everybody got a thrown on the side, bro, and.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Because you'd be like, damn they got I say to say,
they just released this whole line of glazed doughnut whole
flavored cereals in like different like brandeds, and I was
just like, Oh, they're just trying.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
They just are trying to kill everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I saw a sour Patch Kid cero bro.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Oh yeah, I saw that. The sour Pat Bro. When
you're making sour Patch Kid flavored anything, what the fuck?
Who's eating that shit?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I went to Jack in the Box again, not the
best place to go to, you know, wasn't I was
in the Jack in the Box drive through line three
in the morning within the last thirty days and they
had a collab with Sour Patch Kids, and Jack in
the Box is currently selling and I speaking of discipline,
I was so fucking close to ordering this the because

(57:38):
it's the watermelon sour Patch Kid, which are the best
because you go to the movies, you get.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
A little fucking watermelons.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I love watermelons and they're selling sour patch kid, watermelon
milkshakes and lemonade. I was so close to just to
fucking with that lemonade though, because there's no way that
that's not gas.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
He's gonna get gas, all right.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
But yeah we're fucked. Yeah it's great, but it sucks
too because it's like, you know, like when when you're
fucking struggling, bro, like the struggle meal back in the day,
it was like you go to McDonald's, you get the
mc double for a dollar. No, no, you get the
fries for a dollar. Or you know wherever they got
Jack in the box, you go get two tacos for
a dollar.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I was raising the food food does it, bro? So
I get it one hundred percent in Wilson in my
hood in Welson, there's no They'll tell you. I'll take
them to Wellston. Like, damn, bro, you can't find no nothing.
Everything is is hood.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Honestly, in Texas is like you certain areas in Texas
you're like, oh damn, that's why Texas, motherfuckers is bad.
If you're like out in the boonies of Texas and
you're just like, what do they got, Oh, they got
steak in shake and fucking Texas roadhouse.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
And yeah, you know it's gluddeny and it's it's so
you know, we obeesis. People don't think it's just on
on the full level to America, man, America, this is.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Our this is our mindset. We are.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
You know, there was that AI video that somebody from
trying to release that with viral of like what it
would look like if Americans had to make iPhones, and
it was like just like this like factory of like
fat people like on like oxygen.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Trying to fucking make iPhones.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's wild.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Oh man, Yeah, no food is food is you know
it's a drug? Man, it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
And that's like I said, that's why you know my
music through my lifestyle. Like people go on my page
and my story right now, then see me like in
the kitchen like docing, bro, Like I'm gonna show you
know what I'm saying. I'm a show cold plunging. If
we're gonna use it, if we're gonna use these devices
to market, don't show anything, but I'm gonna show the
real something that can help people, you know what I mean?
Like you click on my page, you're gonna see something different.

(59:44):
You know what I'm saying, you're gonna you're gonna heart
you click on music, you're gonna heard you know, love
and life and you know what I'm saying, and and
and and and ship. That's good for your soul, you
know what I mean. And that's what we need more
because I believe it shows people like, Okay, that's more
to life. But if the media, mass media could se
to promote you know what I'm saying, the bullshit, that's
all people gonna gravitation is you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Saint Louis is one of those places that it's like
famously dangerous. Uh, you know, it's like it's kind of crazy.
I almost moved there. Actually, I almost took a job
at the radio station there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Was it hot? What's the hip hop station there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Is hot? Yeah, it's hot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
That would have This was like twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Twelve, went out there, ended up at the Pink Cadillac
or the Pink Slip and he's Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeahrip club Saint Louis Is, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I don't go over there, but very serious place over there. Yeah,
but I almost moved there. And I remember back then
like my boy who was out there, was telling me
like yo, sh it's like serious out here. But it's
like now, it's like now it's number one, number two
at all times of like dangerous cities in America, Like
it's it's a war zone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's like a certain parts of Saint Louis are still
segregated though, So that's why you would talk to somebody else.
And it's beautiful here. I love it here, but they
on the whole other side, they not talking about none
of none of the areas that you're talking about. But
the areas that you are talking about. That's where I'm from,
from the west side, sexy origin from the north side.
Uh Nelly and them, you city, you know what I'm saying. Like,

(01:01:15):
that's why when Nieling them came out, it inspired the
whole city, you know what I mean, because we ain't
never even seen like that somebody can come from this city,
you know what I'm saying. And that's why making my
business to go back home. I just left home. Actually
we had a tornado that hit the city really lad,
so I was out there, you know, donating, and you know,
I created the same Louis Relief fun and I partnered
with the Urban League out there. You know what I'm

(01:01:37):
saying helping them. And the city is horrible, bro, it's
a it's a war zone, you know what I mean. Like,
and I don't encourage anybody to go. And if you
don't have to beat there, don't whatever. Right, But again
me using who I me, being who I am, and
continue to represent my city even though I don't live
there actively, that's still you know, it's still my heart

(01:01:57):
and so you know, to show that we can grow
from these places, bro Like, we can. We can get older, bro,
we can, we can we can have healthy family bro Like.
And I'm talking specifically to you know what I'm saying
that you know the wayians and the inspiring hy ens man,
you know what I mean. We can grow, Broye. We can,
we can evolve. You can, you can you can eat better, Bro,

(01:02:18):
you can live better. And and if you feel like that,
it's gonna stop you from being successful. Look at me.
You know what I'm saying. I live, I don't. I'm
the same way what I got five dollars in my
pocket of five thousand. But just know that things are
real good over here, right, But again just showing showing
that you know what I'm saying, Like, Nah, Bro, it's
a difference out here and we need to see more

(01:02:40):
of it. So yeah, that's why, that's why I've been
moving around. How moving I'm telling my team, I'm I
don't even this is my first B t H week, right, Like,
I don't really do industry stuff, you know what I'm saying, Like,
because it's really authentically myself and I only want to
operate in spaces that are authentic as well. But we've

(01:03:02):
been able to find a way to align ourselves with this,
the authentic spaces and not going to fake environments where
I gotta be all like, I don't want to take
a photo out of somebody that I don't really like,
I don't align with you know what I'm saying, I
don't want to rap with you, bro, if if if
you don't take Cary, your kids and women.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Some crazy shit, But that's don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I don't care who you are, Like I don't. I
don't care who you are, how much money you got,
It wouldn't even matter to me, bro, Like it don't matter.
So now that we've been able to you know, create
these spaces and you know, be invited to platform like
yours different places, it really shows, like Okay, there's a
way to do this and still be authentic. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
It is crazy how much we forgive people because we
love their art.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I just told somebody this other day. I said, hey,
I talk to homegirl and you're talking about life or whatever,
and she's like, yeah, man, my family, fuck my momauck
my mama. I was like, oh, okay. But being the
same conversation, he posted something about uh no. She said
something some are k Kanye or some sort and I said, man,

(01:04:08):
it's amazing how we we give uh Kanye more grace
than we do our family. And she was like, uh huh.
He's a genius. And you just see like the you
can see the the rage. You know what I'm saying, Like, no,
I love I love Kanye. I got you, but you
literally just said fuck your mama. And I'm saying, but
you give more grace, And I just do. I think

(01:04:29):
that every time Kanye splash out there, you have this
certain group and only Kanye asn example.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
There's way more people, but that is a good example.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But you know it's this, oh man, remember when he
made graduation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Bro, However you feel about Kanye, he has more grace
than maybe anybody on the fucking planet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
And all I'm saying because we love.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
His art so much, so people people will be like, yeah,
but there's there's something deeper and like some of the
stuff he's saying, there's there's some deeper ship there right, No,
for sure, but it's like, you know, but he's also
the same guy who's like, you know, it's just a
lot but right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Using him as an example, and again, like you said,
the other people as well, if we just extend that
same amount of grace to the real people that we know.
You know what I'm saying, in your real life, your
your your daddy, your mama, or your sister brother who
probably did some messed up ship or whatever whatever, but
we've been holding grudge on them. But you can go
play Graduation right now and be like, oh yeah, that's

(01:05:31):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
It's just like it's obviously too. It's like that's not
like Kanye didn't personally do something to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
You, right right, right right, We give we will throw
out all the principles if we fun with your album,
we will.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Throw all the principles. And instead of applying those principles
to real life at times, and like I say, and
I I love Kanye, by the way, so I'm not
even I ain't one of them that's been a you know,
bash him or anything like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
That player because of him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Man, I love I think how your genius.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I think that a lot of artists are too. But
I just think that as we detached from the people
we don't know, the fake life, we start applying this love,
grace and forgiveness to real people in real life, I
think that we will find ourselves growing healing, you know
what I mean a lot of people in weaponizing uh
therapy and I hate that, a lot of people in
weaponize and consciousness and god, I hate it. But you know,

(01:06:25):
let's get that. Let's get to a real place in
our real life, you know what I mean, Because it's
something like we got.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I love it. Man, Well listen, what do you got
to You got a ton of music out?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, Man, I just dropped. I dropped the mixtape again,
all independent, you know what I'm saying through even and
it's going still going crazy, you know. I mean, I'm
gonna wrap bro and all that be. I'll never do
nothing with the verses, bro, So let's show you the
amount of music I really do and write how much
I really write? That's for free bro. That was that
was nineteen tracks on that mixtape. I did a mixtape

(01:06:57):
before that, it was twenty three. I've never used some
verses again, I don't even use them on my on
my you know, my album.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
And the only way people can get that is it
will never hit DSPs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Ye never hit d sps. You know what I'm saying.
You want it for real? Supports the art by direction?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Can people buy that stuff? Like if you have a
live show, are you are you making physical media?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
That not even stuff? Not not of that stuff. Now.
I dropped my album, my first album, Sorry Miles distracted.
I have vinyls, you know, I mean some people come
to shows give vinyls to get merch all that. And
I just wrapped up my new album, you know what
I'm saying. So I got a new album that that
will be dropping in July and it's called When We Evolved.
A features, Yeah, I got who features? I got a

(01:07:39):
Cidi Hendrix out of Atlanta's hard to say that's my dog, Uh,
Foggy Raw, you know what I'm saying. He he's dope,
he's out of Atlanta. He's he's he's dope. Earil J.
He's amazing. I got some I got some other people too. Yeah,
I got some other people too. But it's it's it
come out of July and then then I'm the role

(01:08:00):
right after.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
You know what I'm saying. When we've off tour fifteen cities,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
And have you had like a O G like trying
to really embrace what you're doing it all?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Like someone you could call it like I'm talking about,
like you know a hip hop artist who's like successful
that like has maybe taken a liking to what you
got going on that you're able to kind of tap
into for advice or I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Like, I want to say yeah and no, I think
that I have had a lot of people taping you
know what I'm saying, m H I want I wouldn't
say they've extended the like hey, if you need something,
and I have my own personal reasons for that, you
know what I'm saying, you know, But there has been

(01:08:41):
people that have reached out like all over you know
what I'm saying, you know, and hearing me and repost
the music. But because I've pushed the independence wave and
the confidence I have some people see me as a threat,
you know what I'm saying, which I don't understand why,
but I believe that that's why. It's not as simple
as a you need something, call me. You know what

(01:09:03):
I'm saying, I give you the game. It's because you know,
dare I say, I want to be the greatest too.
You know what I'm saying. So you know it's kind
of that that Jordan, you know what I'm saying, like like,
I want to be the greatest bro like you. If
there's a conversation you know, nas park oh all that

(01:09:23):
I want you to say, Jim Queen, you know what
I'm saying. And because that's my energy when I you
know whatever, some people they may see it it's like, Okay,
he don't need my help. But that ain't even the case.
I'm I'm journeying through you know what I mean. And
I respect all my legends. I love my legends. You
know what I mean, But I want to be in
that conversation with you. I don't want to be Yeah man,

(01:09:43):
he was he was another whatever. Nah, I want to
be a j McQueen bro. You know what I'm saying,
one one of one and like some people you know
think I want to be the greatest rap of all time.
I want to be the greatest writer of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Are you gonna try to do like other forms of
I'm continuing to write screenplay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I mean I I write, I write books. Brouh.
I write poetry. Music is my is my meeting of
the writing. You know, album and the poetry book would
be hard. It's it's I just wrapped up on what
I'm saying, Like it's called sitt yourself down. Yeah, so
I haven't announced check you know. I mean maybe when
this dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
That's a great that's a great way to again, like
you have, you have a following, So it's like yo, yeah, no,
I'm I'm I'm in most most artists, most rappers, they're writers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
It's just again they don't hone in on on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
You know, I would have dropped a book of his
poems was released after he passed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
If he would have dropped it wild, you know what
I'm saying, like it it would have been crazy. So
stuff like that I got coming out, Like I said,
I got the album to tour. You know, my my brand,
my company is God by the Energy, you know what
I mean. So that's my entertainment company. So I do
everything through my entertainment company. Uh, and I'm going to
be uh bringing in other artists. I want to sign
other artists, bro, like people of like minds. That's again

(01:11:01):
that's operating in a in that space. I want to
sign you. Help you use the same tools that I
use for myself.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Well, listen, man, go support this guy. Is there like
a website, everybody can get.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Every AJ at a great dot com and then of
course aj McQueen on all platforms. The music is on
even you can go there. Just go to the website
and get that going on tour soon and a new
album drop soon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Boom appreciate you pulling up, brok ay J. Thank you
brother Boom

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
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