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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Bootleg Cap Podcast, Bootlet Cap Show. We have
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got the legends man clips. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yo, Yo, what's happening.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank you guys for being in my pockets consistently for
the last I don't know a month and a half.
Every time you guys dropped something, it's like I got
the alerts turned on. Now. Yeah, I don't know how many.
I probably have boughten, like twelve different things had to
but things were selling out though, Yeah. Yeah, so I
missed out on like the Denim Tears ship.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I feel like that that
that's been a major part of the rollout, super and
just showing the the the the the lineage and our
connection to certain brands and streetwear right and just uh,
you know, just showing showing how how much we've been
a part of of of this culture.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah. I mean you guys have always been tied obviously
play clothes with such a yeah a moment in time
and BBC and you know the early Bape ship. Yeah,
and you guys just had the car Heart yep thing
that's coming Yeah, more money coming in from my pocket, yeah,
car Heart Tears. I'm curious all yo, Malice man talk
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to me because it's been what sixteen years since To
the Casket fifteen sixteen. Yeah, you know you you had
two really dope projects that you released as No Malice.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
For you in particular. You know, you're back to Malice
right right. How are you feeling being in clips mode again?
How are you feeling being I guess you know you've
been kind of in the cut for for a minute
watching Push turned into you know, one of the most.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Of all time on his own, you know, Yeah, and
that's been a joy to watch. It's all natural, like
being here with my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, this is what we've done.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We started this together.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So now to to be back and.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Working together and traveling together, it's all natural.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And working with with phar Real.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You know, just all of us coming up. It's just
like a family reunion. So yeah, it's really good. It's
really good.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's kind of crazy because I feel like there was
such a perfect like bookmark with Till the Casket drops,
because I feel like if you were listening to your
verses in particular right on that album, the tea leaves right.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Absolutely, man, absolutely yeah, And I'm really grateful for that
because my my emotions and and everything have been well documented,
you know, my thoughts. You know, like you said, you
saw it coming about, so I don't really have to
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explain it so much to the fans or to the
people that follow us or that are into our music.
They pretty much could see, you know, where I was going.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You guys kicked the Eye album off with the dedication
to your mom, and you know, I feel like Mom
and Dad. I mean, it's it's such a I remember
I was listening to it yesterday and I was riding
around New York listening to the project, and that is
a song that mayn had to be just a tough
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session for you guys to do, I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Extremely tough to get through, extremely hard. It wasn't just
the fact that you know, we lost our parents, but
just how close, you know, within four months, and just
to go back and to you know, document it, but
you also want to leave a good memorial or a
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good dedication, you know, to your parents or whatever. And
I just think from the production to the raps, it
was just like the perfect send off.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Were there any emotions you guys shared on that record
that you guys had heard for the first time from
each other.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, I think so, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think what what you're what you're listening to is is
two conversations, basically, Malice's last conversation with my dad and
my last conversation with my mom. So I don't think
he knew. I don't think Malice knew things that my
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mom was telling me, you know, the you know, some
of the conversations she probably had with him, or things
that he knew, he didn't know that I knew them,
and he didn't know that she articulated that to me,
So I know that for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's crazy. I can only imagine you guys are in
the studio and it's like, this is like this moment
was it Was it a busy session or was it
very very like isolated, No, it was it was pretty busy.
It's pretty busy because it was recorded in the lv
LV headquarters, so you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No privacy, privacy Louis Vuitton. So it's like, you know,
sketching sewing drawings, people coming in fabrics.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What's that like for you? Push Because you've been in
so many random settings working with good music. I'm thinking
of the hotel room. I'm thinking of Hawaii, I'm thinking
of Wyoming. I'm thinking of all these places that you've
been able to you know that are un you know
obviously that we're not used like I guess you could
say like unique places to record. What was the difference
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between like some of those situations and being at Louis Vuitton.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think that I think that all of those
situations made made me prepared me for unorthodox situations. I don't, man,
you know, outside of Virginia, I don't know if I've
been in a proper studio for years, for years, like
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I haven't recorded in a proper studio.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
In ages.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, so I don't you know, it's a it's very
it's very Uh, I don't know. I just thought it
was the new way right now, it's just a new
way you pull up and record anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right right right right?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Can you guys get me? Because okay, you guys put
out so be It and it doesn't hit DSPs, it's
on YouTube, and then there's the so be It two
point on the album. Yeah, was this a sample thing?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What was the man? It's I think it's I think
it's a fan thing. I think it's a fan thing.
Having a video and just you know, you gotta go.
This is the only place you can get it. Get it,
get it right here, Yeah, you know, get it right here,
and and enjoy it, enjoy it all as a body
of work for y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm curious man, like you guys have in my opinion too,
like Undeniable Classics, Lord Willing, Hell Have No Fury, and
as a Clips fan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
As a Clips fan, which is better? Which is better?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So I had this conversation which is better? Which? Just
tell me which is better? I'm gonna tell you because
I have my I have my unique perspective, unique answer here,
my personal favorite. It's not the better album because nostalgically,
I had it in high school and I passed that
thing around period to period. It was Lord Willing, because
it's the time I just I remember having that album.
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It's not the album I think Hell Hath No Furies
the better? Okay, thank you? Do you have a different opinion?
We can keep no?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, no, no, is this an argument?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
No? I just want to know. This has to be
a conversation that you guys have been having behind the scenes.
Someone Hell has No Furio is the better album? Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I'm with you okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There, but Lord Willing come on man comedy sexual Virginia
is my favorite clip song ever. Wow. Wow. Anytime anyone
I've ever anytime I meet anybody who ever says Virginia,
I just automatically say rangeold to do but cook and
they're like what never mind, you didn't understand. Yeah, you
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know it's crazy too, because I wonder for you, Malice,
you know, from your perspective watching Push the last sixteen
years just go fucking crazy right and put out some
of the best hip hop of all time. Absolutely, yeah,
what's your favorite Push project?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Man, of.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I could go with Daytona.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean's like the Yeah, it's like the Mona Lisa. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But but let me let me say also with that,
I expect my brother to deliver every single time, which
he does and has.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know, there there is a standard there.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There is a standard and a professionalism that he has
always carried.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
From the beginning of you know, of.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Clips to his own his own solo work. So yeah,
I'm never disappointed. I love it, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Saying, Yo, I want to go back because you know,
there was this conversation that, like I had with someone else.
I don't want to talk about it in specific that
no one ever tried to dress like you guys, and
no one ever tried to like be the clips. I
want to go back to the mister Metwo video because
that was like one of those moments in hip hop
that I vividly remember. I had. I bought a fuck
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Jive t shirt from mixed Unit dot com. Wow, yes
it was white. Yeah, I had the fuck Jive tea.
Did you guys know like that mister me Too was
gonna stir up this this thing that is still lingering
twenty years later towards it, Like I'd say so, Yeah,
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I'd say so.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think mister me Too was a very clever, very
clever way to to to to to put your flag
in the ground for for anything that you think that
you uh, you know started right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah. And it's funny because like you you know, you're
always gonna have an opinion, right of course something like that.
But it's like, I mean, you know, I was I
had hid the prints on uh like two days ago yesterday. Yeah,
he said, you guys were on the phone I think
right before I saw him. That's who I had the
conversation about. Which album was better with.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
By the way, Oh he said little willing, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
But we were talking about how you are an integrity
over everything kind of fellow. So it's like fuck the look,
fuck the cloud if it if it gets into like
like fucking with your integrity, you said it to the side,
or you'll take and you'll take notes. So it's funny
how like you said, like platting the flag all the
way back then it was it's nothing has changed, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Not for sure, man. I think you got to stand
for something at all times. Yeah, I think, uh, and
existing in this business, I think you know, it's about
who can stay the purest the longest, and and and
and really just you know, owning owning your lane. This
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is this is how you this is this is how
you be here for twenty three years. Yep, this is
how you be here for twenty three years. This is
how you have this type of discography. This is how
you can work with the best and and and make
the best better like when people, you know, we raised
the bar with any whoever we work with. So I
think I think that all comes from having a standard,
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having integrity and having.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You know, just just a a real.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Intentional plan of attack and everything that you do.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
For sure, I wonder for you push because you know
it's almost dry. Was not long ago. I went to
the tour, I got the merch YEP. I mean, I
thought it was really dope. How Gate did half for real?
The other half? I think it's up there with Person.
I definitely think I think you had the best verse
on the album. I did, but that wasn't that long ago.
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And I just want to know, like, like when it
comes to like, you know, you've obviously been pretty vocal
about you know the AA thing. Was what was the
specific moment where you just kind of realized you had
to disassociate?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, you know, I just felt like I felt like
the I remember I can just remember times I remember Atlanta,
you know, and everybody just beingna.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Era, Uh what what was? What was that album? Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So yeah, I would think Atlanta, Atlanta was Atlanta was
a tough time, I feel like, and just you know,
I mean, you know, I have an opinion, man, and
I speak my opinion, and I feel like when I
speak my opinion and and it doesn't match, you know,
I think we kind of fell out there. Yeah, And
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I mean you know, I'm never not going to speak
my opinions or it's like this ain't gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Work, you guys, This Kendrick record is insane. Yeah yeah, thank.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You, thank you, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It is. It is crazy and it's crazy too because
it's like you guys kicked the album off the way
you kicked the album off, and then you get right
into the right, right into the ship.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, got to what what was it like? Did you
guys like what? Because I like listening to Kendrick's verse,
I'm like, well, I don't understand why they wouldn't want
this to come out. What did you guys get like
an answer? Like what was it about his verse? I
don't think that. I don't think it was I don't
think it's about the verse per se. I think it's
just about the optics. Like you guys are both yeah
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in the Avengers against you know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, basically I feel like that's how they looked at it.
With all the lawsuit stuff going on, and and then
you have you know, you know, you have misinterpretations of
or people just not knowing and just walking on eggshells
around that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I believe. Yeah, like you're listening to Kendrick's verse maybe
and you're like, well, maybe is that a lie in
the middle of the legal shit that's happening right crazy?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, and I think I think that's a narrative that
that needs to die. Also because you know, Kendrick is
out here setting precedences. You know, he has his own movement,
breaking records, and to think that he needs to or
that we need to or start some coalition in teaming up,
(14:39):
I don't even like the sound of that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You can't undermine what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That man is gone and you know he's doing what
he does, so you know, you can't even play me
like that. We we got Kendrick on the album because
he's a top tier lyricist.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And that is you know what we do.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So he was like the perfect match and to think
anything else is just crazy And.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
This nothing new for it. I mean you and you
and k I have records like Nostalgias.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, like they got exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I do feel like there is like a dark Force
verse light force happening in hip hop right now, which
sounds kind of weird, but you know, I feel like
there's like certain artists who will pop up on like
some goofy streamers ship to push their album. You know
what I'm saying, you know what I mean? And and
and you know, it just feels like there's this like
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kind of and that is the one thing I could
say about whatever. However you feel about what happened with
the Kendrick versus Drake thing, was it It felt like
there was at the very least, people really dove into
lyrics again in a certain way. Yep. And you just
that was great. You kind of saw pop culture like
(15:50):
split split a little. Yeah. Like I saw Punch say
some ship. He was like, he didn't say the name,
but he's like, it's kind of weird. And all the
artists or all the people who speak out and jump
out for certain artists feel certain way politically or feel
certain ways, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I saw that. Yeah,
and I was like, that's that's kind of I mean,
obviously it's that's a blanket statement. It's not always true,
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but yeah, it is interesting. Do you guys feel like
for you like the timing of this album, it just
feels like, first of all, it's one of the best
rollouts I feel like we've seen in hip hop in
recent years. So you guys now now why is it
the best rollout? Though? I just think that the attention
to details, every little thing, Like I feel like you
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guys did print the print press first, right, and it
was like, oh shit, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is just all old too. But write and rap
journalism and rha journalism and like being critiqued and putting
out your music, letting people hear your ship, right like
you know, facing it, facing your product, getting in front
of it, not throwing it and hiding you know what
(16:58):
I'm saying, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Know, just building anticipation, man, But just you know, just
actually really just.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know, uh, you know, being being like like Malissa
being front with facing with your product.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I think that's something that we miss.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Something that we missed. I mean I I do, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I I think I asked about two weeks ago, like man,
I want to I wanted to see the reviews, and
I think I think I think Gabe came as a
pr He came back and was like, you know, it's
only like three publications still doing that type of thing,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Man, like, like we don't have the source mic system anymore, right, Like,
like man, I miss all of that.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You guys got a double XL right, you know, yeah,
like you know, I want to see all of that.
I want to see It's.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like Anthony Fantana on YouTube now it's like that bald
white dude. But I want to see that too.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
If you're taking the sure critique and you know you're
you're you're really you're really well versed. If you're really
well versed in the music and the craft and and
know know the history, know the history, you should be.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Speaking on it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And I feel like, you know, this rollout is getting
a lot of praise because we were very intentional about
the people that we speak to, very intentional people have
real opinions, people who can really you know, tear it
down or not, you know what I'm saying, but people
who just who know it, who know it like that?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do you guys? I always think back because you guys
had such a I mean, you guys, A lot of
people don't know who might have maybe just been pushing
T fans recently, but you guys really like went through
the ringer of the music industry early, you know, like yeah,
I mean obviously the jive thing was pretty public, but
even getting shelved at Electra, Yeah, do you guys feel
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like exclusive audio footage being shelved and it was on
DSPs for a second. I don't know what happened. It's gone,
But do you like it was like a like a
obviously you guys precursing at the time, but was it
something that you guys look back at now and are
maybe glad that that happened?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I think you know, CLIPS is good for rolling with
the punches, you know, we navigate any situation. Uh, even
with even with the label trouble that that just you know,
happened with with death Jim. I don't think it would
be like a CLIPS roll out if we didn't have
some kind of issue or.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Some kind of problem.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And I think, uh, that's the good thing about it
for the fans. And that's why the fans are so
important to us, because they've suffered with us, you know,
having to chill and having to wait, and now that
we come back together and we get to, you know,
give them this offering here, it means a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you malice for you? You know, obviously you're a man
of God.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right absolutely first and foremost man.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And I wonder for you, was was this itch there
like for you to be back in clips mode for
a while.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It wasn't. So what do you think kind of ignited
like that motivation?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
There were?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
There were you know, it was a few things, a
few a few baby steps. Uh, you know, going out
to uh Wyoming and working with my brother and.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Use this gospel.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know, that was right up my alley right there.
You know, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's what's up.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, I think so, you know, working with uh my
brother on Nego's album, working on PUSH's album. Those were
like little bread crumbs that you know, kind of coaxed
me or whatever. But there was It wasn't an itch.
It was just like the time was right. I knew
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that it could be done. And when those projects came
out that I just mentioned, I asked my dad. I
was like, you know, what do you think about me
rapping again? And he was like, he says, son, I
think you've been too hard on yourself. And he's a deacon,
you know what I'm saying. So to hear his perspective
on it, which I had never asked him that before.
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I had no reason to asking that because I wasn't
doing anything. But you know, I think everything happens for
a reason. I think this is perfect. The project I
believe is perfect, you know, and I think I think
it's going to do a great service to our fans
and listeners.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Was there ever a point in time where it almost
happened and it just didn't happen for whatever reason where
maybe YA was trying to convince y'all to do it
or for real.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Or yeah, I think I think you know, it was.
It's been convincing all the way through. You know, a
lot of a lot of people trying to convince.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's been a whole junior in high school year.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah yeah, but nah, And
and I also want to say, it's like the level
that my brother has kept it at, you know, for
me to come back into the fold.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
You know, if if if it looked like he was
like just trying to survive as a rapper, you know
what I'm saying. But the level that he has it
and in the quality and the taste level of everything
and keeping the integrity of hip hop the way that
I always knew it to be, you know, it made
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perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I mean this album, I mean, all your guys'
albums have, uh, for real vocals all over, but this
album really feels like he's an extension of the group
on this project.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Well he is he definitely, no.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like you know, and
and it was dope too, because I feel like as
a solo artist, you've caught away with the dream YEP
that has been super crazy. Yeah. I heard him on
that He's on the album right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
all things considered, right, I'm curious for you guys like
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to see Pharrell kind of take this next step in
his legacy and go all in on the I mean,
because he's changed fashion. If we think about BBC and
we think about ice cream and I mean just that
whole wave, Like, what's that been like for you guys,
Just to kind of you guys have been there for
the majority of that journey and you know, push for you,
(23:28):
for malice for you, like you guys have the closing
line yourselves. Is that inspire you guys on some fashion ship.
Obviously you've had the Adidas scene going for a while.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah. I think so, man, I think I think that uh,
you know, watching uh, watching Pharrell hit some of these
milestones has definitely been been inspirational.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think fashion goes along with hip hop though, so
you know, I feel like that's part of the I
don't think you can exist in hip hop today without
being consumed by each portion of the culture, you know, music, fashion, art,
whatever it is. Like, you have to you have to
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be entrenched in all these different worlds in some manner
to reap the full benefits and rewards of the game.
I think. I think it's about, you know, giving people
that tutorial of you as an artist, and that is
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the way that in which you do it. For me, yeah,
you know, you have to. You got to show people
what you're about, what you're about, what you stand for,
what you like. At that point they begin to you know,
champion you and and find the synergy between you and them.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You guys have an app live on the album. Yes,
it was amazing. Always shout to the rep gang ship.
Always at twenty thousand, I was just bumping to twent.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah. It makes me think though, because like I think
I just saw somebody post at the anniversary of Got
It for Cheap Volume two was recently, Oh was it? Yeah?
I feel like Clinton Sparks posted that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Somebody posted I think maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean when you guys have like classic mixtapes like that,
you guys ever try to figure out how do we
put these on DSPs? Yeah? Because that or or like
a vinyl drum because god damn that was a moment
in time. I would love to be able.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It's just I mean, I feel like it's a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It probably is, but you guys are like independent now,
so it's like I feel like it's a lot easier to.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Know it's I'm saying there's a lot of work probably
to get it done. I mean that that would be ideal. Honestly,
there are a lot of just different I wish we
could and just put the discography in a in a box,
you know, and and and in a place that everybody
can because people are learning at different points, you know
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what I'm saying. I'm you know, there are people who
are pusha T fans who didn't know about the clips,
definitely didn't know about reub Gang, and you know, and
and and people who are re up Ganged fans, and
you know, and they need to be able to champion
and tell and and and be like, oh y'all, I
don't know about this, Like they need to be able
to have their moment. They need to be able to
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have all of the different fans need to be able
to have their moment and and see who they're talking about,
and you know, in in a in a in a
in a curated area.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, like even if it's a box set or something
like something like, it'd be it would be great. Actually
we're saying, man, man, Philly, I spoke to them.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I just seen saying man, damn right, Okay, yeah,
hell yeah, I've seen saying that I'm saying is good. Yeah,
saying damn good and seeing them at Clark KMP's funeral two.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh rest a Cark camp Man.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, there is something I always wanted to know from
you Push because I, uh, I'm a very opinionated person.
I've gotten into screaming matches with grown men about you
in particular because I have you. I have you, like
ridiculously high in my all time top ten. And you know,
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a lot of a lot of people who I'll meet
or you know, they got Wayne real high, or they'll
have Drake real high. So I get into these fucking
yelling matches with grown men, and uh, I always wondered
because to me, the biggest what if of of the
last like seven or eight years, was had you gotten
a response from the story of Adad on how many
(27:47):
how much was in the clip that you just had
ready to go in case that happened? Oh? Man, it
was because it felt like that was the precursor, like
I'm gonna throw this out here because I'm gonna get
you to bite and then I'm gonna take your fucking
head off for real. Yeah, man, I feel like, you know,
that was just a particular point in time, and I
feel like I was ready for the ready for whatever.
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But did you have ship in the clip? Ready? Just
you have to be ready, man, you gotta be ready.
What's your thoughts? Just as a fan to see the
bait was taken with the Kendrick thing and then to
see Kendrick have this precise like decaputation, I mean the
most it was insane like that. I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I thought it was a really good display just you know,
just just music and artistry.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I thought it was a damn good display of just
staying your own course to like, you know what I'm saying.
I think Kendrick really stayed the course and really, you know,
precise focused yeah, and I think I think it paid off.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Chess they might meet the Grahams dropt holy ship. Yeah, man,
that was that was insane. Talk to me about for y'all,
Like there has to be, you know, something He's to
be said. I think I hate when people put the
coke wrap label on you push or on the group, yeah,
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because I feel like it's there's so much more to
what you guys do than that. But at the same time,
you are the jeff Bezos of the nasal Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, So how do you feel about that label? And Jenny,
I don't trip on it anymore. And I'm gonna be
honest with you, like, I don't I know what's happening musically,
and I know what's happening with us musically. And if
you know that's the label that they want to run with,
that's fine, But that's not the true listen. That's that's
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not the true listener. And I feel like the true
listener gets the codes and understand what's happening. I feel like,
you know, competitively speaking, I feel like even artist artist
and the casual listener, they they're they're viewing this wrong
and that's why there's there's there's some some misinterpretation there,
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but I don't want to correct it because I feel
like it keeps I know those codes, and I know
what's keeping us ahead.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's not about just coke. But fine, I mean you
have you have somebody else who's you know, could could
fans could say Stove God Cooks is fucking incredible. Got
you guys on.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
There, Yeah, yeah, he's Stove is crazy, Stove is man.
I say, you know, he's one of the most entertaining,
uh that I've heard in a minute in in this
you know, uh, in this subgenre of of of of
street rap, coke rap, whatever you want to call it,
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you know, and and you get to hear the melodies,
you get to hear the the the metaphors and just
the just the color that he brings to that. I
feel like it's dope, and you know so much so
we used it on the album.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah. I think, uh, he hasn't dropped an album in
like four or five years. He's just been fucking body
in every West Side gun Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
What.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
The inclusion of DJ Clue I thought was dope too
towards the end of the project, because I felt like
it fit and it gives you that nostalgic factor. What
was the decision and using clue specifically, and.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I think we were. I think we were chasing
urgency a lot. And so when we found it, and
we found urgency within the records, you know, it just
got our wheels to turn in and and and like
I think it just started with like, uh, Pharrell doing
the ad libs and clue clue, like you know, and
(31:45):
from there we actually stole the ad libs but you
guys didn't even get like hit clue, like yeah, we
need some sh no, so we stole it. And then
then he then he heard it and he was like, man,
I gotta fix this, and so like he then went
in the student and redid everything that we did. That
shit's crazy, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, it's just, you know, it's just a feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like a lot of times you get the feeling in
the studio and it's like, you know, you want to
put it down or put something down as a reference,
as something to so you don't lose it, you know
what I'm saying. And by the time by the time
we by the time we had had had put the
records together like such, we felt like that that needed
(32:26):
to say.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I saw you retweeted or you posted something in your
story that someone that tweeted, and you pretty much feel like,
can you write me a song that says this? There
is essentially kind of just saying that, you know, you've
you've done such a great job of taking what we
love about hip hop in a nostalgic way, but never
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making it but always kind of keeping it up to
date at a high level, and there are artists who
haven't been able to do that. We're either from your
era or before your era that might have some like
resentment towards what you guys do. Of course, is that
something that you're you feel more now than ever?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, it's always I've always felt it. I've always felt it,
but I you know, I just it was just weird
to see somebody say it. I was like, man, I've
just something I've never said, you know, and you know, uh,
it was it was. It was great, It was It
was just great to see, yeah, and know that people
are just tuned in and paying attention.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
For sure. Yeah, what's your guys favorite song on this album?
I'm sure it's different Free Chi You, but ever it
might be the same.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Well, I like I catered to uh pov pov is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah. Yo, these poor guys trying to get fifty five
hundred dollars bookings.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Man, and they live.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Can they get back? Can they go get it back? End?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Can it properly? They can't live properly. It's tough. It
is tough, man.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Not all money is good money.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Not all money is good money at all. Oh, you know,
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm fight.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh I'm so far ahead, I'm like, that's crazy. I'm
I'm a couple of different places, I mean, and then
like God sort them out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'm I'm everywhere. And you guys, did I mean the
two singles that you guys released are like yeah, oh yeah,
you know I'm trying to stay away from those records,
are all? Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, Like, man, how
hard is it to get like a cause album cover again?
Because it's one thing to do it once, but to
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do it twice It's just like showing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Off causes family. Yeah, his family causes family.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Do you guys have a crazy collection of the figures?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
No, No, I think I got a bunch of original
fake scars and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think I
got a lot of got a lot of original fake
clothes I got, I got art, got art and bought art.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What's the most expensive piece of art you bought, push man,
It might have been I might have got, I might
have bought. I might have bought.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What's that that it's around?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's around cause piece?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think I bought it for Steven's birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You ain't never seen it? Oh yeah, how much? How
much was it?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The six figures?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Jesus? Yeah? What is something that you were able to
learn being the president of Good which is obviously, you know,
one of the most iconic in hip hop history, and
you're at the you know, at the head of it
for so long that you're able to now apply to
being an independent artist now.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Man, I just think I think that when you're at
the helm of something, you know, you don't want to
be the helm of something that that that that that
everybody's not all in together at it. You know what
I'm saying, Like president of Good Music out the head,
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being in the mix of it, it doesn't mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't mean ithing just a title salary, nice check
and this is a check. It's funny because said this
and I want to know your perspective. He essentially said,
the Rosewood era was the most together everybody was. I
can I can definitely go for that. Everybody was. I
remember y'all had them suits for sure. And then he
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I mean, obviously the Good Friday era was so special.
It was good all the way up into like you know,
I mean even cool like Cruel Summer was crazy, he said.
Then everybody started to just go crazy and it just
became like a thing like where everybody was just.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Kind of Noah, I don't think everybody went crazy. I
think everybody did what they were supposed to do, and then.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Two Chains becomes like the fucking biggest motherfucker on the planet. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like crazy times.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I think I think that's what I think, that's what
was supposed to happen. I feel like everybody was supposed
to do they thing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Have you had any conversations with Sean lately?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
No, how's your guys? Just like, are you guys good? Yeah,
because I feel like he kind of was the first
guy to kind of like be.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Like yeah, no, yeah, yeah, me and Seawan.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Good talk to me about touring? Man, is there going
to be a tour that's associated with this album.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Third is the first date. Yeah, twenty five dates, twenty
five days. We kind of closed right now is July ninth?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Were less than a month away? Yeah, and this is
is it? I mean, how long has it been since
you've I mean, you guys have been spot dates. You
guys have in the festivals and stuff. But for you,
for you, Malice, it's like the grind dog Like.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I'm ready for it though, Like I'm committed, man.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, when when I decided, you know that the clips
that we decide it's going to be a thing again,
Like I don't have any reservations. Just come out here
and get back in front of the people and showed
his great body of work.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah for sure. Yeah. Was there was there any anything
on the project Malice that you because of just who
you are and and like you know, we've known why
you stepped away from the music. Was there a topic
or was there anything where you were like.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Nah, and and you know coming back and like I said,
the commitment, I didn't I didn't have any preconceived notions
or any stipulation. Yeah, we can do that, but just
we just cannot You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, hints hints me.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Going back to the name malice, like I didn't want
to come back to clips with a twists or like
if we're going to do clips, We're gonna do clips,
you know, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Whatever happened to play close?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Man, we it just ran its course.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I mean it was ten years I think it was.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I mean it was huge. Yeah. No, we had a
good run. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I feel like we had a good run yesterday.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I think we had a good run. Would you
guys ever, I mean, do another clothing line? I think so.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I mean, if it, if it calls for I mean,
I think that's something that you got to be into,
you know, fully fully invested and have and man, seeing
just how clothing lines are these days and seeing you know,
what makes I've been able to look at the inside
and see what makes them successful. So it's just having
you know, you got to kind of put together a
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team to execute all of these things, and that takes
a lot. It's not just this is not the day
of just tagging your name on a t I work
like that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I saw you guys talking to Elliott. You said that
Tyler was the biggest Clipster. Yeah, there was, and I
think having I mean, obviously you guys have worked together before,
but trouble on my mind is crazy by the way,
But talk about just like being like present in a
time where you're able to see your real life influence
(39:53):
on somebody who's like one of the biggest rappers on
the planet. Like, I don't know if that makes y'all
feel older, it makes y'all feel like, yeah, we did
something here, like because it's crazy because prints are all
over so much of this culture.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, I think you know, it's something that's something to uh,
something to appreciate, and especially when they get it right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's like it's like it's like when somebody flips a
great sample, you know what I'm saying, And it's like,
you know, as long as the records fire, it's like,
what is it? You know, what is it to?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
How can you look at it other than greatness?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I'm curious. Back in the day, what were because you
guys probably had your first picket any Neptune's beat, you wanted.
What's the record y'all passed on that you regret or
you were like Damn we could have Like.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Damn, I tell for all the time I wanted past
the Okay, he was like really wanted that.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You could have had that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, we didn't. We didn't pass on this record, but
it was the one that just got away. But throw
Them Bows Oh yeah, Ludu Crispy.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, did you guys cut something to that? No, no, no,
we did.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
We didn't get the opportunity to, like it was just
but you heard it in the studio. Lula was there, diligent,
you know, it was like.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That's actually probably like when we think about like the Neptunes,
just like discography, like that's one of the ones we
forget about that beats fucking forget about that one. Please.
That shit's crazy.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah yeah, throw Them Bows was one to like.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Crazy. Yeah, that's tough. And at this point, you guys,
you know, I feel like Forel's not super active, like
he's so focused on the fashion ship. So you guys
just get the cream of the crop right now.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think, yeah, I think we I think there's there's
something to be said about us all being in there
and just the standard that we all have and vision
that we all have for clips that we we understand
like we collectively understand what it has to be.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I saw you push say that, like, no, no, nobody's
better than Mob Deep essentially when it comes to the
duo talk, and I consider du those groups. So like
my group tier is like Outcast number one and it's
Food Tank Tribe, and then I got I got Mob
Deep in y'all like in whatever order company. Yeah, but
I'm curious, like, man, when you guys this is y'all
(42:34):
four for four at this point, you know what I'm saying,
Like spanning over what O two? Yeah? Oh two. I
was a junior in high school when Lord Willing came out.
I mean, this is obviously it's four albums, but it's
very I mean our Cast was four album, five albums.
Maybe you know what I'm saying, Like, do you guys
(42:55):
start Do you guys ever think about where you with
this album and and just the impact that it's making
where you guys, Like you guys keep moving up these
tiers when it comes to just these all time conversations.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, I think I think it's good man. I mean,
I I just love the company that it that it is.
I've seen the list the other day, and I mean
just being in the I think we were we were
nine or something nine it was it was twenty two,
(43:28):
it was nine and then but it's like nine as
epmd is mob was in there. Yeah, it was like
bro okay, right, sit us, next step, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, yeah, as long as we're in that convo. Yeah,
we're in that convo.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
And I mean listen, man, I mean we got fifteen
year break, Like it's there are things that.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That we need to you know that some more more
things that we need to do. I guess, Steven, keep
moving up the up, the up the convo.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like push, You've like bullied your way into that,
like at least personally for me. I mean, like I said,
I have you really really high. I have my personal list.
I got you super high. I got Freddi Gibbs like
ridiculously high too. I got Kendrick really high. But I
feel like you, as like just you are are in
that top ten like conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I hope so easily, man, I hope.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
So man, you are the rapper that bullies the rapper
that bullies the rappers.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
I hope, so man, I want to be I definitely
look to be being those conversations. Yeah, like you know,
I don't you know. I mean, it's all about making
the music first. It's all about making the music first
and making it great and just making the the experience. Yeah,
it's not about it.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know it's not entitled to this.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, you gotta put the worm man.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, you gotta put the time and you got quality control. Yeah,
And it ain't about a whole bunch of like you know, uh,
it's about what you know the next thing, Like, I
don't you know, I don't want to even reminisce too
much about you know, what I did or what this
Like we got two classics, Yeah, let's make four more? Right?
(45:20):
Is the battery in your guys's back as a group,
because listen, Malice, I don't want to. I don't want to, like,
you know, ten years down the line we get an
album number five, Like is this something where this energy?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
I think I think now is the time to do it,
you know, I think now is the time to do it.
It's no stopping, no chilling, Like, if we're gonna do it,
we're gonna do it now.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Because you guys did this album relatively quick in terms
of the recording time.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Two years, two years, well maybe a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean for you guys, is it like.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And that was mostly because of scheduling tours over.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
We're gonna hang out with the family. We're gonna relax
a little. Yeah. Is there gonna be a push album?
Is it back in for a Clips album? We got
some music, We got some music. We've never had a
Malice solo album. We've had a No Malice solo We've
had two of those. Yeah, So it's like it's just
it's just seeing how everything feels after tour.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, but we're definitely in work mode.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Or are you independent as a solo artist? Yeah? So
everything free reign man.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
In this world in which we you know, I think
you talk so much about like the climate of just
this content space man, where you know, everything's so microwavable
and and it's so much low hanging fruit energy in
the world of entertainment, whether it's music, whether it's media,
whether it's you know, even like movies, they don't even
(46:57):
try to make new movies nowhere, they just remake it,
you know what I'm saying. It feels like that's the
era that that we've been in the last six seven years.
Is there anything from anybody who's newer or is there
a newer artist that does inspire you, guys that that
you guys have taken that you haven't worked with, that
you guys have taken like liking to where you're like, yo,
(47:18):
they're doing it the right way. They're taking their time
there intentional. I'm you know what I like. I like
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Movements, Like I just like the movements, and and when
it comes to the younger artists, I like how they
are able to really uh round their fan bases up
and and and and and have like these rabid moments,
whether it's they're selling merge, whether it's there you know,
everybody's running uh you know, running the download to stream
(47:46):
it or whatever the case may be. I see that
a lot more than anything else. You know, Tyler is
really good, I believe it, getting out his full thought
and get people locked into his maybe the best movie.
Yeah he to me, Yeah, he's definitely one of the
(48:06):
best at it to me. But you know he's it's him,
you know it's him. And like I said, another, a
lot of the other younger guys, it's more about really
getting it out the mud and watching them get it
out the mud and having their rabid fan base.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Was there ever anybody you tried to sign that it
just didn't work out or there was a disagreement on
mm hmm. Nah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean I feel like it. I feel like it good.
We tried to do the whole Chief Keith thing. That's how,
that's how they don't like someone came about. But yeah,
I mean that was for everybody that was That was Keith,
that was Dirk, everybody.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You guys are trying to get in on Dirk.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Everybody. We only hit saw it one way, so we
didn't you know, we never saw it.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Separated already was together.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, and we thought, you know, Chop was there, so
it was like Chop this spirk it.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's crazy too because I
saw I just saw you did and I've I've booked
you at a club before, but I just saw you
did Vegas. Yeah. It's like I saw someone post the
clip and I'm like, you were doing the move that
dope verse and I was like, man, it's crazy to
think like you have that pocket that we don't even
think about. Yeah, like if you got to do like
(49:26):
like you're you're all like these like massive like trap
records that you could do forever. Yeah you know what
I'm saying, Like like they don't like remixes.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's an all time right fun man, fun fun.
I think you know that's part of just you know,
the era in which of hip hop we come from,
Like you know, we watched Hole Beyond Ha, like you
know that's these are the things that you you know
you do and you you and the show appreciation too,
like you know you I like those records.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Be a Forigner Grease, all time great album. By the way,
all right man, well look the tours on the way
the album is. By the time you're watching this, the
album is going to be out. Are the merch collabs
going to keep going or now that the album's out,
have is it? Are they stopping? I think we got
a couple left. There's some more in the chamber.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
I think we got a couple of collabs left.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You know, you guys. I feel like whenever we see
the first week numbers, you guys are gonna have a
great first week because it feels like the energy and
then now because when I when people bad first week,
I don't know, but I mean, tell me first of what,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
No, no, no, I want to know.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I don't know. I want to know former label president, sir.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
What's a bad first week?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Man?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
But no, no, because I feel like you guys have
done such a good job of making people want to
go by the physical media. There's all these different versions
of the album. You guys. I think it was the
Verdi collab with the white vinyl. There's the norm. I mean, man,
it's just been it's been incredible to watch.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Man. Yeah, it's I think it's gonna be good. Man.
I think it's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Are you are you for you like push? I wonder
is it in your head? Because I think jack Boys
is coming out to the Travis thing. Oh, I don't know,
is it? Do you think that was on purpose? Oh?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Man, I think it's I think it's whatever it was.
It's good because I think people need to be able
to a and be the music. I think that's what
I think. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
You guys have so many of the same friends, though, Man,
you would think. No, actually don't get it. I know
I don't have No, I don't I promise you, I don't.
I mean you guys sii's friends with Travis.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
You know is my guy, that's my brother, he said.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Let me be clear, we don't you'll be able to
compare this cavea are to whatever that is. Well, I
appreciate you guys sitting down with me. Man, Thank you.
You guys are are are? You know? This is a
bucket list It's funny because over the years I've had
I interviewed pushed by himself on the phone before and
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at Magic and then Malice has done a phoner with
me in like nine when I was on the radio Boise.
But to have you guys here physically together, it's a
bucket list moment for me. So you guys are are incredible.
You guys are rap superheroes to me, man. And the
new album is out and it is incredible. Timeless music, Man,
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timeless music. Keep is this ship going there? It is
Boom
All right, Bootleg Cap Podcast, Bootlet Cap Show. We have
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got the legends man clips. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yo, Yo, what's happening.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank you guys for being in my pockets consistently for
the last I don't know a month and a half.
Every time you guys dropped something, it's like I got
the alerts turned on. Now. Yeah, I don't know how many.
I probably have boughten, like twelve different things had to
but things were selling out though, Yeah. Yeah, so I
missed out on like the Denim Tears ship.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I feel like that that
that's been a major part of the rollout, super and
just showing the the the the the lineage and our
connection to certain brands and streetwear right and just uh,
you know, just showing showing how how much we've been
a part of of of this culture.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah. I mean you guys have always been tied obviously
play clothes with such a yeah a moment in time
and BBC and you know the early Bape ship. Yeah,
and you guys just had the car Heart yep thing
that's coming Yeah, more money coming in from my pocket, yeah,
car Heart Tears. I'm curious all yo, Malice man talk
(01:11):
to me because it's been what sixteen years since To
the Casket fifteen sixteen. Yeah, you know you you had
two really dope projects that you released as No Malice.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
For you in particular. You know, you're back to Malice
right right. How are you feeling being in clips mode again?
How are you feeling being I guess you know you've
been kind of in the cut for for a minute
watching Push turned into you know, one of the most.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Of all time on his own, you know, Yeah, and
that's been a joy to watch. It's all natural, like
being here with my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, this is what we've done.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We started this together.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So now to to be back and.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Working together and traveling together, it's all natural.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And working with with phar Real.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You know, just all of us coming up. It's just
like a family reunion. So yeah, it's really good. It's
really good.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's kind of crazy because I feel like there was
such a perfect like bookmark with Till the Casket drops,
because I feel like if you were listening to your
verses in particular right on that album, the tea leaves right.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Absolutely, man, absolutely yeah, And I'm really grateful for that
because my my emotions and and everything have been well documented,
you know, my thoughts. You know, like you said, you
saw it coming about, so I don't really have to
(02:48):
explain it so much to the fans or to the
people that follow us or that are into our music.
They pretty much could see, you know, where I was going.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You guys kicked the Eye album off with the dedication
to your mom, and you know, I feel like Mom
and Dad. I mean, it's it's such a I remember
I was listening to it yesterday and I was riding
around New York listening to the project, and that is
a song that mayn had to be just a tough
(03:20):
session for you guys to do, I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Extremely tough to get through, extremely hard. It wasn't just
the fact that you know, we lost our parents, but
just how close, you know, within four months, and just
to go back and to you know, document it, but
you also want to leave a good memorial or a
(03:45):
good dedication, you know, to your parents or whatever. And
I just think from the production to the raps, it
was just like the perfect send off.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Were there any emotions you guys shared on that record
that you guys had heard for the first time from
each other.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, I think so, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think what what you're what you're listening to is is
two conversations, basically, Malice's last conversation with my dad and
my last conversation with my mom. So I don't think
he knew. I don't think Malice knew things that my
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mom was telling me, you know, the you know, some
of the conversations she probably had with him, or things
that he knew, he didn't know that I knew them,
and he didn't know that she articulated that to me,
So I know that for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's crazy. I can only imagine you guys are in
the studio and it's like, this is like this moment
was it Was it a busy session or was it
very very like isolated, No, it was it was pretty busy.
It's pretty busy because it was recorded in the lv
LV headquarters, so you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No privacy, privacy Louis Vuitton. So it's like, you know,
sketching sewing drawings, people coming in fabrics.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What's that like for you? Push Because you've been in
so many random settings working with good music. I'm thinking
of the hotel room. I'm thinking of Hawaii, I'm thinking
of Wyoming. I'm thinking of all these places that you've
been able to you know that are un you know
obviously that we're not used like I guess you could
say like unique places to record. What was the difference
(05:32):
between like some of those situations and being at Louis Vuitton.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think that I think that all of those
situations made made me prepared me for unorthodox situations. I don't, man,
you know, outside of Virginia, I don't know if I've
been in a proper studio for years, for years, like
(05:58):
I haven't recorded in a proper studio.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
In ages.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, so I don't you know, it's a it's very
it's very Uh, I don't know. I just thought it
was the new way right now, it's just a new
way you pull up and record anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right right right right?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Can you guys get me? Because okay, you guys put
out so be It and it doesn't hit DSPs, it's
on YouTube, and then there's the so be It two
point on the album. Yeah, was this a sample thing?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What was the man? It's I think it's I think
it's a fan thing. I think it's a fan thing.
Having a video and just you know, you gotta go.
This is the only place you can get it. Get it,
get it right here, Yeah, you know, get it right here,
and and enjoy it, enjoy it all as a body
of work for y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm curious man, like you guys have in my opinion too,
like Undeniable Classics, Lord Willing, Hell Have No Fury, and
as a Clips fan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
As a Clips fan, which is better? Which is better?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So I had this conversation which is better? Which? Just
tell me which is better? I'm gonna tell you because
I have my I have my unique perspective, unique answer here,
my personal favorite. It's not the better album because nostalgically,
I had it in high school and I passed that
thing around period to period. It was Lord Willing, because
it's the time I just I remember having that album.
(07:26):
It's not the album I think Hell Hath No Furies
the better? Okay, thank you? Do you have a different opinion?
We can keep no?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, no, no, is this an argument?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
No? I just want to know. This has to be
a conversation that you guys have been having behind the scenes.
Someone Hell has No Furio is the better album? Hey?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I'm with you okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There, but Lord Willing come on man comedy sexual Virginia
is my favorite clip song ever. Wow. Wow. Anytime anyone
I've ever anytime I meet anybody who ever says Virginia,
I just automatically say rangeold to do but cook and
they're like what never mind, you didn't understand. Yeah, you
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know it's crazy too, because I wonder for you, Malice,
you know, from your perspective watching Push the last sixteen
years just go fucking crazy right and put out some
of the best hip hop of all time. Absolutely, yeah,
what's your favorite Push project?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Man, of.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I could go with Daytona.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean's like the Yeah, it's like the Mona Lisa. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But but let me let me say also with that,
I expect my brother to deliver every single time, which
he does and has.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know, there there is a standard there.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There is a standard and a professionalism that he has
always carried.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
From the beginning of you know, of.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Clips to his own his own solo work. So yeah,
I'm never disappointed. I love it, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Saying, Yo, I want to go back because you know,
there was this conversation that, like I had with someone else.
I don't want to talk about it in specific that
no one ever tried to dress like you guys, and
no one ever tried to like be the clips. I
want to go back to the mister Metwo video because
that was like one of those moments in hip hop
that I vividly remember. I had. I bought a fuck
(09:26):
Jive t shirt from mixed Unit dot com. Wow, yes
it was white. Yeah, I had the fuck Jive tea.
Did you guys know like that mister me Too was
gonna stir up this this thing that is still lingering
twenty years later towards it, Like I'd say so, Yeah,
(09:46):
I'd say so.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think mister me Too was a very clever, very
clever way to to to to to put your flag
in the ground for for anything that you think that
you uh, you know started right.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah. And it's funny because like you you know, you're
always gonna have an opinion, right of course something like that.
But it's like, I mean, you know, I was I
had hid the prints on uh like two days ago yesterday. Yeah,
he said, you guys were on the phone I think
right before I saw him. That's who I had the
conversation about. Which album was better with.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
By the way, Oh he said little willing, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
But we were talking about how you are an integrity
over everything kind of fellow. So it's like fuck the look,
fuck the cloud if it if it gets into like
like fucking with your integrity, you said it to the side,
or you'll take and you'll take notes. So it's funny
how like you said, like platting the flag all the
way back then it was it's nothing has changed, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Not for sure, man. I think you got to stand
for something at all times. Yeah, I think, uh, and
existing in this business, I think you know, it's about
who can stay the purest the longest, and and and
and really just you know, owning owning your lane. This
(11:14):
is this is how you this is this is how
you be here for twenty three years. Yep, this is
how you be here for twenty three years. This is
how you have this type of discography. This is how
you can work with the best and and and make
the best better like when people, you know, we raised
the bar with any whoever we work with. So I
think I think that all comes from having a standard,
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having integrity and having.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You know, just just a a real.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Intentional plan of attack and everything that you do.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
For sure, I wonder for you push because you know
it's almost dry. Was not long ago. I went to
the tour, I got the merch YEP. I mean, I
thought it was really dope. How Gate did half for real?
The other half? I think it's up there with Person.
I definitely think I think you had the best verse
on the album. I did, but that wasn't that long ago.
(12:14):
And I just want to know, like, like when it
comes to like, you know, you've obviously been pretty vocal
about you know the AA thing. Was what was the
specific moment where you just kind of realized you had
to disassociate?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, you know, I just felt like I felt like
the I remember I can just remember times I remember Atlanta,
you know, and everybody just beingna.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Era, Uh what what was? What was that album? Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So yeah, I would think Atlanta, Atlanta was Atlanta was
a tough time, I feel like, and just you know,
I mean, you know, I have an opinion, man, and
I speak my opinion, and I feel like when I
speak my opinion and and it doesn't match, you know,
I think we kind of fell out there. Yeah, And
(13:04):
I mean you know, I'm never not going to speak
my opinions or it's like this ain't gonna.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Work, you guys, This Kendrick record is insane. Yeah yeah, thank.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You, thank you, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It is. It is crazy and it's crazy too because
it's like you guys kicked the album off the way
you kicked the album off, and then you get right
into the right, right into the ship.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, got to what what was it like? Did you
guys like what? Because I like listening to Kendrick's verse,
I'm like, well, I don't understand why they wouldn't want
this to come out. What did you guys get like
an answer? Like what was it about his verse? I
don't think that. I don't think it was I don't
think it's about the verse per se. I think it's
just about the optics. Like you guys are both yeah
(13:50):
in the Avengers against you know.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, basically I feel like that's how they looked at it.
With all the lawsuit stuff going on, and and then
you have you know, you know, you have misinterpretations of
or people just not knowing and just walking on eggshells
around that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I believe. Yeah, like you're listening to Kendrick's verse maybe
and you're like, well, maybe is that a lie in
the middle of the legal shit that's happening right crazy?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, and I think I think that's a narrative that
that needs to die. Also because you know, Kendrick is
out here setting precedences. You know, he has his own movement,
breaking records, and to think that he needs to or
that we need to or start some coalition in teaming up,
(14:39):
I don't even like the sound of that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You can't undermine what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That man is gone and you know he's doing what
he does, so you know, you can't even play me
like that. We we got Kendrick on the album because
he's a top tier lyricist.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And that is you know what we do.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So he was like the perfect match and to think
anything else is just crazy And.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
This nothing new for it. I mean you and you
and k I have records like Nostalgias.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, like they got exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I do feel like there is like a dark Force
verse light force happening in hip hop right now, which
sounds kind of weird, but you know, I feel like
there's like certain artists who will pop up on like
some goofy streamers ship to push their album. You know
what I'm saying, you know what I mean? And and
and you know, it just feels like there's this like
(15:30):
kind of and that is the one thing I could
say about whatever. However you feel about what happened with
the Kendrick versus Drake thing, was it It felt like
there was at the very least, people really dove into
lyrics again in a certain way. Yep. And you just
that was great. You kind of saw pop culture like
(15:50):
split split a little. Yeah. Like I saw Punch say
some ship. He was like, he didn't say the name,
but he's like, it's kind of weird. And all the
artists or all the people who speak out and jump
out for certain artists feel certain way politically or feel
certain ways, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I saw that. Yeah,
and I was like, that's that's kind of I mean,
obviously it's that's a blanket statement. It's not always true,
(16:10):
but yeah, it is interesting. Do you guys feel like
for you like the timing of this album, it just
feels like, first of all, it's one of the best
rollouts I feel like we've seen in hip hop in
recent years. So you guys now now why is it
the best rollout? Though? I just think that the attention
to details, every little thing, Like I feel like you
(16:32):
guys did print the print press first, right, and it
was like, oh shit, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is just all old too. But write and rap
journalism and rha journalism and like being critiqued and putting
out your music, letting people hear your ship, right like
you know, facing it, facing your product, getting in front
of it, not throwing it and hiding you know what
(16:58):
I'm saying, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Know, just building anticipation, man, But just you know, just
actually really just.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know, uh, you know, being being like like Malissa
being front with facing with your product.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I think that's something that we miss.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Something that we missed. I mean I I do, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I I think I asked about two weeks ago, like man,
I want to I wanted to see the reviews, and
I think I think I think Gabe came as a
pr He came back and was like, you know, it's
only like three publications still doing that type of thing,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Man, like, like we don't have the source mic system anymore, right, Like,
like man, I miss all of that.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You guys got a double XL right, you know, yeah,
like you know, I want to see all of that.
I want to see It's.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like Anthony Fantana on YouTube now it's like that bald
white dude. But I want to see that too.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
If you're taking the sure critique and you know you're
you're you're really you're really well versed. If you're really
well versed in the music and the craft and and
know know the history, know the history, you should be.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Speaking on it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And I feel like, you know, this rollout is getting
a lot of praise because we were very intentional about
the people that we speak to, very intentional people have
real opinions, people who can really you know, tear it
down or not, you know what I'm saying, but people
who just who know it, who know it like that?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do you guys? I always think back because you guys
had such a I mean, you guys, A lot of
people don't know who might have maybe just been pushing
T fans recently, but you guys really like went through
the ringer of the music industry early, you know, like yeah,
I mean obviously the jive thing was pretty public, but
even getting shelved at Electra, Yeah, do you guys feel
(18:52):
like exclusive audio footage being shelved and it was on
DSPs for a second. I don't know what happened. It's gone,
But do you like it was like a like a
obviously you guys precursing at the time, but was it
something that you guys look back at now and are
maybe glad that that happened?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I think you know, CLIPS is good for rolling with
the punches, you know, we navigate any situation. Uh, even
with even with the label trouble that that just you know,
happened with with death Jim. I don't think it would
be like a CLIPS roll out if we didn't have
some kind of issue or.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Some kind of problem.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And I think, uh, that's the good thing about it
for the fans. And that's why the fans are so
important to us, because they've suffered with us, you know,
having to chill and having to wait, and now that
we come back together and we get to, you know,
give them this offering here, it means a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you malice for you? You know, obviously you're a man
of God.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right absolutely first and foremost man.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And I wonder for you, was was this itch there
like for you to be back in clips mode for
a while.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It wasn't. So what do you think kind of ignited
like that motivation?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
There were?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
There were you know, it was a few things, a
few a few baby steps. Uh, you know, going out
to uh Wyoming and working with my brother and.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Use this gospel.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know, that was right up my alley right there.
You know, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's what's up.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, I think so, you know, working with uh my
brother on Nego's album, working on PUSH's album. Those were
like little bread crumbs that you know, kind of coaxed
me or whatever. But there was It wasn't an itch.
It was just like the time was right. I knew
(20:55):
that it could be done. And when those projects came
out that I just mentioned, I asked my dad. I
was like, you know, what do you think about me
rapping again? And he was like, he says, son, I
think you've been too hard on yourself. And he's a deacon,
you know what I'm saying. So to hear his perspective
on it, which I had never asked him that before.
(21:16):
I had no reason to asking that because I wasn't
doing anything. But you know, I think everything happens for
a reason. I think this is perfect. The project I
believe is perfect, you know, and I think I think
it's going to do a great service to our fans
and listeners.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Was there ever a point in time where it almost
happened and it just didn't happen for whatever reason where
maybe YA was trying to convince y'all to do it
or for real.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Or yeah, I think I think you know, it was.
It's been convincing all the way through. You know, a
lot of a lot of people trying to convince.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's been a whole junior in high school year.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah yeah, but nah, And
and I also want to say, it's like the level
that my brother has kept it at, you know, for
me to come back into the fold.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
You know, if if if it looked like he was
like just trying to survive as a rapper, you know
what I'm saying. But the level that he has it
and in the quality and the taste level of everything
and keeping the integrity of hip hop the way that
I always knew it to be, you know, it made
(22:29):
perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I mean this album, I mean, all your guys'
albums have, uh, for real vocals all over, but this
album really feels like he's an extension of the group
on this project.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Well he is he definitely, no.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like you know, and
and it was dope too, because I feel like as
a solo artist, you've caught away with the dream YEP
that has been super crazy. Yeah. I heard him on
that He's on the album right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
all things considered, right, I'm curious for you guys like
(23:06):
to see Pharrell kind of take this next step in
his legacy and go all in on the I mean,
because he's changed fashion. If we think about BBC and
we think about ice cream and I mean just that
whole wave, Like, what's that been like for you guys,
Just to kind of you guys have been there for
the majority of that journey and you know, push for you,
(23:28):
for malice for you, like you guys have the closing
line yourselves. Is that inspire you guys on some fashion ship.
Obviously you've had the Adidas scene going for a while.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah. I think so, man, I think I think that uh,
you know, watching uh, watching Pharrell hit some of these
milestones has definitely been been inspirational.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think fashion goes along with hip hop though, so
you know, I feel like that's part of the I
don't think you can exist in hip hop today without
being consumed by each portion of the culture, you know, music, fashion, art,
whatever it is. Like, you have to you have to
(24:10):
be entrenched in all these different worlds in some manner
to reap the full benefits and rewards of the game.
I think. I think it's about, you know, giving people
that tutorial of you as an artist, and that is
(24:30):
the way that in which you do it. For me, yeah,
you know, you have to. You got to show people
what you're about, what you're about, what you stand for,
what you like. At that point they begin to you know,
champion you and and find the synergy between you and them.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You guys have an app live on the album. Yes,
it was amazing. Always shout to the rep gang ship.
Always at twenty thousand, I was just bumping to twent.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah. It makes me think though, because like I think
I just saw somebody post at the anniversary of Got
It for Cheap Volume two was recently, Oh was it? Yeah?
I feel like Clinton Sparks posted that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Somebody posted I think maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean when you guys have like classic mixtapes like that,
you guys ever try to figure out how do we
put these on DSPs? Yeah? Because that or or like
a vinyl drum because god damn that was a moment
in time. I would love to be able.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It's just I mean, I feel like it's a lot
of work.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It probably is, but you guys are like independent now,
so it's like I feel like it's a lot easier to.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Know it's I'm saying there's a lot of work probably
to get it done. I mean that that would be ideal. Honestly,
there are a lot of just different I wish we
could and just put the discography in a in a box,
you know, and and and in a place that everybody
can because people are learning at different points, you know
(26:04):
what I'm saying. I'm you know, there are people who
are pusha T fans who didn't know about the clips,
definitely didn't know about reub Gang, and you know, and
and and people who are re up Ganged fans, and
you know, and they need to be able to champion
and tell and and and be like, oh y'all, I
don't know about this, Like they need to be able
to have their moment. They need to be able to
(26:26):
have all of the different fans need to be able
to have their moment and and see who they're talking about,
and you know, in in a in a in a
in a curated area.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, like even if it's a box set or something
like something like, it'd be it would be great. Actually
we're saying, man, man, Philly, I spoke to them.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I just seen saying man, damn right, Okay, yeah,
hell yeah, I've seen saying that I'm saying is good. Yeah,
saying damn good and seeing them at Clark KMP's funeral two.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh rest a Cark camp Man.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, there is something I always wanted to know from
you Push because I, uh, I'm a very opinionated person.
I've gotten into screaming matches with grown men about you
in particular because I have you. I have you, like
ridiculously high in my all time top ten. And you know,
(27:26):
a lot of a lot of people who I'll meet
or you know, they got Wayne real high, or they'll
have Drake real high. So I get into these fucking
yelling matches with grown men, and uh, I always wondered
because to me, the biggest what if of of the
last like seven or eight years, was had you gotten
a response from the story of Adad on how many
(27:47):
how much was in the clip that you just had
ready to go in case that happened? Oh? Man, it
was because it felt like that was the precursor, like
I'm gonna throw this out here because I'm gonna get
you to bite and then I'm gonna take your fucking
head off for real. Yeah, man, I feel like, you know,
that was just a particular point in time, and I
feel like I was ready for the ready for whatever.
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But did you have ship in the clip? Ready? Just
you have to be ready, man, you gotta be ready.
What's your thoughts? Just as a fan to see the
bait was taken with the Kendrick thing and then to
see Kendrick have this precise like decaputation, I mean the
most it was insane like that. I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I thought it was a really good display just you know,
just just music and artistry.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I thought it was a damn good display of just
staying your own course to like, you know what I'm saying.
I think Kendrick really stayed the course and really, you know,
precise focused yeah, and I think I think it paid off.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Chess they might meet the Grahams dropt holy ship. Yeah, man,
that was that was insane. Talk to me about for y'all,
Like there has to be, you know, something He's to
be said. I think I hate when people put the
coke wrap label on you push or on the group, yeah,
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because I feel like it's there's so much more to
what you guys do than that. But at the same time,
you are the jeff Bezos of the nasal Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, So how do you feel about that label? And Jenny,
I don't trip on it anymore. And I'm gonna be
honest with you, like, I don't I know what's happening musically,
and I know what's happening with us musically. And if
you know that's the label that they want to run with,
that's fine, But that's not the true listen. That's that's
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not the true listener. And I feel like the true
listener gets the codes and understand what's happening. I feel like,
you know, competitively speaking, I feel like even artist artist
and the casual listener, they they're they're viewing this wrong
and that's why there's there's there's some some misinterpretation there,
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but I don't want to correct it because I feel
like it keeps I know those codes, and I know
what's keeping us ahead.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's not about just coke. But fine, I mean you
have you have somebody else who's you know, could could
fans could say Stove God Cooks is fucking incredible. Got
you guys on.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
There, Yeah, yeah, he's Stove is crazy, Stove is man.
I say, you know, he's one of the most entertaining,
uh that I've heard in a minute in in this
you know, uh, in this subgenre of of of of
street rap, coke rap, whatever you want to call it,
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you know, and and you get to hear the melodies,
you get to hear the the the metaphors and just
the just the color that he brings to that. I
feel like it's dope, and you know so much so
we used it on the album.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah. I think, uh, he hasn't dropped an album in
like four or five years. He's just been fucking body
in every West Side gun Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
What.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
The inclusion of DJ Clue I thought was dope too
towards the end of the project, because I felt like
it fit and it gives you that nostalgic factor. What
was the decision and using clue specifically, and.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I think we were. I think we were chasing
urgency a lot. And so when we found it, and
we found urgency within the records, you know, it just
got our wheels to turn in and and and like
I think it just started with like, uh, Pharrell doing
the ad libs and clue clue, like you know, and
(31:45):
from there we actually stole the ad libs but you
guys didn't even get like hit clue, like yeah, we
need some sh no, so we stole it. And then
then he then he heard it and he was like, man,
I gotta fix this, and so like he then went
in the student and redid everything that we did. That
shit's crazy, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, it's just, you know, it's just a feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like a lot of times you get the feeling in
the studio and it's like, you know, you want to
put it down or put something down as a reference,
as something to so you don't lose it, you know
what I'm saying. And by the time by the time
we by the time we had had had put the
records together like such, we felt like that that needed
(32:26):
to say.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I saw you retweeted or you posted something in your
story that someone that tweeted, and you pretty much feel like,
can you write me a song that says this? There
is essentially kind of just saying that, you know, you've
you've done such a great job of taking what we
love about hip hop in a nostalgic way, but never
(32:49):
making it but always kind of keeping it up to
date at a high level, and there are artists who
haven't been able to do that. We're either from your
era or before your era that might have some like
resentment towards what you guys do. Of course, is that
something that you're you feel more now than ever?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, it's always I've always felt it. I've always felt it,
but I you know, I just it was just weird
to see somebody say it. I was like, man, I've
just something I've never said, you know, and you know, uh,
it was it was. It was great, It was It
was just great to see, yeah, and know that people
are just tuned in and paying attention.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
For sure. Yeah, what's your guys favorite song on this album?
I'm sure it's different Free Chi You, but ever it
might be the same.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Well, I like I catered to uh pov pov is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah. Yo, these poor guys trying to get fifty five
hundred dollars bookings.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Man, and they live.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Can they get back? Can they go get it back? End?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Can it properly? They can't live properly. It's tough. It
is tough, man.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Not all money is good money.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Not all money is good money at all. Oh, you know,
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm fight.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh I'm so far ahead, I'm like, that's crazy. I'm
I'm a couple of different places, I mean, and then
like God sort them out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'm I'm everywhere. And you guys, did I mean the
two singles that you guys released are like yeah, oh yeah,
you know I'm trying to stay away from those records,
are all? Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, Like, man, how
hard is it to get like a cause album cover again?
Because it's one thing to do it once, but to
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do it twice It's just like showing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Off causes family. Yeah, his family causes family.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Do you guys have a crazy collection of the figures?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
No, No, I think I got a bunch of original
fake scars and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think I
got a lot of got a lot of original fake
clothes I got, I got art, got art and bought art.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What's the most expensive piece of art you bought, push man,
It might have been I might have got, I might
have bought. I might have bought.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What's that that it's around?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's around cause piece?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think I bought it for Steven's birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You ain't never seen it? Oh yeah, how much? How
much was it?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The six figures?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Jesus? Yeah? What is something that you were able to
learn being the president of Good which is obviously, you know,
one of the most iconic in hip hop history, and
you're at the you know, at the head of it
for so long that you're able to now apply to
being an independent artist now.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Man, I just think I think that when you're at
the helm of something, you know, you don't want to
be the helm of something that that that that that
everybody's not all in together at it. You know what
I'm saying, Like president of Good Music out the head,
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being in the mix of it, it doesn't mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't mean ithing just a title salary, nice check
and this is a check. It's funny because said this
and I want to know your perspective. He essentially said,
the Rosewood era was the most together everybody was. I
can I can definitely go for that. Everybody was. I
remember y'all had them suits for sure. And then he
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I mean, obviously the Good Friday era was so special.
It was good all the way up into like you know,
I mean even cool like Cruel Summer was crazy, he said.
Then everybody started to just go crazy and it just
became like a thing like where everybody was just.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Kind of Noah, I don't think everybody went crazy. I
think everybody did what they were supposed to do, and then.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Two Chains becomes like the fucking biggest motherfucker on the planet. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like crazy times.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I think I think that's what I think, that's what
was supposed to happen. I feel like everybody was supposed
to do they thing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Have you had any conversations with Sean lately?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
No, how's your guys? Just like, are you guys good? Yeah,
because I feel like he kind of was the first
guy to kind of like be.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Like yeah, no, yeah, yeah, me and Seawan.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Good talk to me about touring? Man, is there going
to be a tour that's associated with this album.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Third is the first date. Yeah, twenty five dates, twenty
five days. We kind of closed right now is July ninth?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Were less than a month away? Yeah, and this is
is it? I mean, how long has it been since
you've I mean, you guys have been spot dates. You
guys have in the festivals and stuff. But for you,
for you, Malice, it's like the grind dog Like.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I'm ready for it though, Like I'm committed, man.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, when when I decided, you know that the clips
that we decide it's going to be a thing again,
Like I don't have any reservations. Just come out here
and get back in front of the people and showed
his great body of work.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah for sure. Yeah. Was there was there any anything
on the project Malice that you because of just who
you are and and like you know, we've known why
you stepped away from the music. Was there a topic
or was there anything where you were like.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Nah, and and you know coming back and like I said,
the commitment, I didn't I didn't have any preconceived notions
or any stipulation. Yeah, we can do that, but just
we just cannot You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, hints hints me.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Going back to the name malice, like I didn't want
to come back to clips with a twists or like
if we're going to do clips, We're gonna do clips,
you know, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Whatever happened to play close?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Man, we it just ran its course.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I mean it was ten years I think it was.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I mean it was huge. Yeah. No, we had a
good run. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I feel like we had a good run yesterday.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I think we had a good run. Would you
guys ever, I mean, do another clothing line? I think so.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I mean, if it, if it calls for I mean,
I think that's something that you got to be into,
you know, fully fully invested and have and man, seeing
just how clothing lines are these days and seeing you know,
what makes I've been able to look at the inside
and see what makes them successful. So it's just having
you know, you got to kind of put together a
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team to execute all of these things, and that takes
a lot. It's not just this is not the day
of just tagging your name on a t I work
like that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I saw you guys talking to Elliott. You said that
Tyler was the biggest Clipster. Yeah, there was, and I
think having I mean, obviously you guys have worked together before,
but trouble on my mind is crazy by the way,
But talk about just like being like present in a
time where you're able to see your real life influence
(39:53):
on somebody who's like one of the biggest rappers on
the planet. Like, I don't know if that makes y'all
feel older, it makes y'all feel like, yeah, we did
something here, like because it's crazy because prints are all
over so much of this culture.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, I think you know, it's something that's something to uh,
something to appreciate, and especially when they get it right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's like it's like it's like when somebody flips a
great sample, you know what I'm saying, And it's like,
you know, as long as the records fire, it's like,
what is it? You know, what is it to?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
How can you look at it other than greatness?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I'm curious. Back in the day, what were because you
guys probably had your first picket any Neptune's beat, you wanted.
What's the record y'all passed on that you regret or
you were like Damn we could have Like.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Damn, I tell for all the time I wanted past
the Okay, he was like really wanted that.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You could have had that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, we didn't. We didn't pass on this record, but
it was the one that just got away. But throw
Them Bows Oh yeah, Ludu Crispy.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, did you guys cut something to that? No, no, no,
we did.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
We didn't get the opportunity to, like it was just
but you heard it in the studio. Lula was there, diligent,
you know, it was like.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That's actually probably like when we think about like the Neptunes,
just like discography, like that's one of the ones we
forget about that beats fucking forget about that one. Please.
That shit's crazy.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah yeah, throw Them Bows was one to like.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Crazy. Yeah, that's tough. And at this point, you guys,
you know, I feel like Forel's not super active, like
he's so focused on the fashion ship. So you guys
just get the cream of the crop right now.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think, yeah, I think we I think there's there's
something to be said about us all being in there
and just the standard that we all have and vision
that we all have for clips that we we understand
like we collectively understand what it has to be.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I saw you push say that, like, no, no, nobody's
better than Mob Deep essentially when it comes to the
duo talk, and I consider du those groups. So like
my group tier is like Outcast number one and it's
Food Tank Tribe, and then I got I got Mob
Deep in y'all like in whatever order company. Yeah, but
I'm curious, like, man, when you guys this is y'all
(42:34):
four for four at this point, you know what I'm saying,
Like spanning over what O two? Yeah? Oh two. I
was a junior in high school when Lord Willing came out.
I mean, this is obviously it's four albums, but it's
very I mean our Cast was four album, five albums.
Maybe you know what I'm saying, Like, do you guys
(42:55):
start Do you guys ever think about where you with
this album and and just the impact that it's making
where you guys, Like you guys keep moving up these
tiers when it comes to just these all time conversations.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, I think I think it's good man. I mean,
I I just love the company that it that it is.
I've seen the list the other day, and I mean
just being in the I think we were we were
nine or something nine it was it was twenty two,
(43:28):
it was nine and then but it's like nine as
epmd is mob was in there. Yeah, it was like
bro okay, right, sit us, next step, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, yeah, as long as we're in that convo. Yeah,
we're in that convo.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
And I mean listen, man, I mean we got fifteen
year break, Like it's there are things that.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That we need to you know that some more more
things that we need to do. I guess, Steven, keep
moving up the up, the up the convo.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like push, You've like bullied your way into that,
like at least personally for me. I mean, like I said,
I have you really really high. I have my personal list.
I got you super high. I got Freddi Gibbs like
ridiculously high too. I got Kendrick really high. But I
feel like you, as like just you are are in
that top ten like conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I hope so easily, man, I hope.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
So man, you are the rapper that bullies the rapper
that bullies the rappers.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
I hope, so man, I want to be I definitely
look to be being those conversations. Yeah, like you know,
I don't you know. I mean, it's all about making
the music first. It's all about making the music first
and making it great and just making the the experience. Yeah,
it's not about it.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know it's not entitled to this.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, you gotta put the worm man.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, you gotta put the time and you got quality control. Yeah,
And it ain't about a whole bunch of like you know, uh,
it's about what you know the next thing, Like, I
don't you know, I don't want to even reminisce too
much about you know, what I did or what this
Like we got two classics, Yeah, let's make four more? Right?
(45:20):
Is the battery in your guys's back as a group,
because listen, Malice, I don't want to. I don't want to, like,
you know, ten years down the line we get an
album number five, Like is this something where this energy?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
I think I think now is the time to do it,
you know, I think now is the time to do it.
It's no stopping, no chilling, Like, if we're gonna do it,
we're gonna do it now.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Because you guys did this album relatively quick in terms
of the recording time.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Two years, two years, well maybe a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean for you guys, is it like.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And that was mostly because of scheduling tours over.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
We're gonna hang out with the family. We're gonna relax
a little. Yeah. Is there gonna be a push album?
Is it back in for a Clips album? We got
some music, We got some music. We've never had a
Malice solo album. We've had a No Malice solo We've
had two of those. Yeah, So it's like it's just
it's just seeing how everything feels after tour.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, but we're definitely in work mode.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Or are you independent as a solo artist? Yeah? So
everything free reign man.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
In this world in which we you know, I think
you talk so much about like the climate of just
this content space man, where you know, everything's so microwavable
and and it's so much low hanging fruit energy in
the world of entertainment, whether it's music, whether it's media,
whether it's you know, even like movies, they don't even
(46:57):
try to make new movies nowhere, they just remake it,
you know what I'm saying. It feels like that's the
era that that we've been in the last six seven years.
Is there anything from anybody who's newer or is there
a newer artist that does inspire you, guys that that
you guys have taken that you haven't worked with, that
you guys have taken like liking to where you're like, yo,
(47:18):
they're doing it the right way. They're taking their time
there intentional. I'm you know what I like. I like
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Movements, Like I just like the movements, and and when
it comes to the younger artists, I like how they
are able to really uh round their fan bases up
and and and and and have like these rabid moments,
whether it's they're selling merge, whether it's there you know,
everybody's running uh you know, running the download to stream
(47:46):
it or whatever the case may be. I see that
a lot more than anything else. You know, Tyler is
really good, I believe it, getting out his full thought
and get people locked into his maybe the best movie.
Yeah he to me, Yeah, he's definitely one of the
(48:06):
best at it to me. But you know he's it's him,
you know it's him. And like I said, another, a
lot of the other younger guys, it's more about really
getting it out the mud and watching them get it
out the mud and having their rabid fan base.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Was there ever anybody you tried to sign that it
just didn't work out or there was a disagreement on
mm hmm. Nah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean I feel like it. I feel like it good.
We tried to do the whole Chief Keith thing. That's how,
that's how they don't like someone came about. But yeah,
I mean that was for everybody that was That was Keith,
that was Dirk, everybody.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You guys are trying to get in on Dirk.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Everybody. We only hit saw it one way, so we
didn't you know, we never saw it.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Separated already was together.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, and we thought, you know, Chop was there, so
it was like Chop this spirk it.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's crazy too because I
saw I just saw you did and I've I've booked
you at a club before, but I just saw you
did Vegas. Yeah. It's like I saw someone post the
clip and I'm like, you were doing the move that
dope verse and I was like, man, it's crazy to
think like you have that pocket that we don't even
think about. Yeah, like if you got to do like
(49:26):
like you're you're all like these like massive like trap
records that you could do forever. Yeah you know what
I'm saying, Like like they don't like remixes.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's an all time right fun man, fun fun.
I think you know that's part of just you know,
the era in which of hip hop we come from,
Like you know, we watched Hole Beyond Ha, like you
know that's these are the things that you you know
you do and you you and the show appreciation too,
like you know you I like those records.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Be a Forigner Grease, all time great album. By the way,
all right man, well look the tours on the way
the album is. By the time you're watching this, the
album is going to be out. Are the merch collabs
going to keep going or now that the album's out,
have is it? Are they stopping? I think we got
a couple left. There's some more in the chamber.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
I think we got a couple of collabs left.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You know, you guys. I feel like whenever we see
the first week numbers, you guys are gonna have a
great first week because it feels like the energy and
then now because when I when people bad first week,
I don't know, but I mean, tell me first of what,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
No, no, no, I want to know.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I don't know. I want to know former label president, sir.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
What's a bad first week?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Man?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
But no, no, because I feel like you guys have
done such a good job of making people want to
go by the physical media. There's all these different versions
of the album. You guys. I think it was the
Verdi collab with the white vinyl. There's the norm. I mean, man,
it's just been it's been incredible to watch.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Man. Yeah, it's I think it's gonna be good. Man.
I think it's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Are you are you for you like push? I wonder
is it in your head? Because I think jack Boys
is coming out to the Travis thing. Oh, I don't know,
is it? Do you think that was on purpose? Oh?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Man, I think it's I think it's whatever it was.
It's good because I think people need to be able
to a and be the music. I think that's what
I think. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
You guys have so many of the same friends, though, Man,
you would think. No, actually don't get it. I know
I don't have No, I don't I promise you, I don't.
I mean you guys sii's friends with Travis.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
You know is my guy, that's my brother, he said.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Let me be clear, we don't you'll be able to
compare this cavea are to whatever that is. Well, I
appreciate you guys sitting down with me. Man, Thank you.
You guys are are are? You know? This is a
bucket list It's funny because over the years I've had
I interviewed pushed by himself on the phone before and
(52:17):
at Magic and then Malice has done a phoner with
me in like nine when I was on the radio Boise.
But to have you guys here physically together, it's a
bucket list moment for me. So you guys are are incredible.
You guys are rap superheroes to me, man. And the
new album is out and it is incredible. Timeless music, Man,
(52:39):
timeless music. Keep is this ship going there? It is
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