#580 - Ghostface Killah Breaks Down New Album, $2M Wu-Tang Record, Diddy Blocking Wu & The Final Chamber

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We're here with one of the greatest of all time,

(00:44):
one of the most influential artists to ever step on
this planet. Yeah he's dropping his phone. I thought I'd
dropped my phone. Yeah, yeah, here we go, Ladies and gentlemen,
ghost face killers in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yo yo yo yo, yeah, yo yo. Yo yo, yo,
yo yo.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
But a supreme clientele too.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, listen, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I want to like before we get into the new
supreme clientele. I always hear you talking in interviews that
you were not crazy about iron Man. You were like
a little under the gun when it came to iron Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, yep, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I specifically remember hitting Sam Goodie as a kid
to buy a supreme clientele, and it felt like at
that time it kind of was like a burst of
energy into the Woo universe, if you will. What was
that approach like going into the og supreme clientele and
how different was it obviously being under the gun to

(01:41):
get iron Man turned in? Like it felt like that.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean it was it was. I wasn't rushed. I
wasn't rushed, you know what I mean. I was like
and a bet it was a it was a better feeling,
like I was in a better place at that time,
you know what I mean. It's frame of mind is
you know, uh, it was the days was you know
what I mean? It was like you know, you got
the you got really the right beats that you that

(02:05):
you felt that you wanted, you know what I mean?
And that was a difference. I wasn't on the timeline.
I wasn't on the timeline like people understand when I
did the first joint, I ain't joint, you know what
I mean. It was like it was like I had,
like I think, like sixty days to do that or
whatever the case may be, because because you know, Raise
the shop had to like had deadline with Sony or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know what I mean, I could have waited.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean how they presented it to me, it was like, yo,
you know you up next show, you want to you
know whatever. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
It was like, yeah, but you know I didn't have time.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I like, I'm a slow writer, so I like to
just take my time and you know, ink it the
way I needed to get the right beat. Rizzards just
sent and felt he just sent me like mad beats,
like you know what I mean. I mean, we picked
him out together, but I didn't. I don't even think
I use anybody else's beats up there, like you know
what I mean, probably true master in Mathematics or something
like that, whatever, But that was really it.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Some of the craziest beats of all time are on
the first Supreme Clientele. I think, like one is like one.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Right usually yeah, yeah, my goodness, it's crazy crazy ship.
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Do you remember, like, uh, like what which which beat?
Because I feel like those studio sessions had to be
special which which like when when when when one of
them beats came on? Do you remember like which record?
Like the producer played the beat for you or they
were making it and you were just like, yo, this
is fucking I.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Mean, it wasn't making them like that at that time.
They would just like put it on I.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Think of CD, like a demo CD or.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Something like that. Yeah, yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So because you know, I have to take mad CDs
because anybody's giving me beats, mad mad mad mad. So
when I heard one, that's one, that's one, you know
what I mean, bad, You know what I mean. My
cousin made nut May. It was just a loop. He
sent me mad of him. So it was but it
was a loop that I could that I could funk with,
you know what I mean. So kept that one, you

(03:50):
know what I mean, Phantom, But the beasts made mighty healthy,
you know what I mean? No matter off he didn't
make he made he made Apollo.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Kids, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So you know, I just I just was making beats
that that I felt that that could fit for a
supreme clientele.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
And and that's how you got it. Chara's Ghost was
like a pretty like big commercial record, like a big
It was like a radio record like MTV was on
MTV all the time, and ship like right.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah that Regki came the producer that was working in
thirty six Chambers, My man Carlos right he was. He
made he Collos best shot to Calos best. He the
one that made a that that record right there and
him and his wife so but he they but they
didn't make it for me. They didn't make it for me.

(04:37):
They had like a demo. They had like a seven
demo tape like of just all records, like everything was fat,
and I had to decide, like which one I'm gonna
pick after all, you know, cause I could have picked
other ones. That was crazy. So you know, I might
have asked a few people, yo I feel about you
know the other days, like yo, A lot of them
said that one, you know what I mean? And that's

(04:59):
what I went.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Talk to me because uh, I got to listen to
the new album. I was lucky to get a link
to check it out. Okay, cool? What is why supreme
clientele to now? Like what what what is it about?
Like like twenty twenty five that it was time to
kind of like you know, I mean, oh nine we
got only built for Cuban Links two, which was.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Great, right, I mean we could have uh I could
have been had did it, but I would just you know,
it wasn't time. If it was the time, you know
how God worked, he just he just put it on
you like that. But it was like in between that time,
you know, I'm doing other projects for other people and
you know what I mean, stuff like that or whatever
case may be. And then by the time where you

(05:37):
noticed like yo, you got a uh you a couple.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of years away from it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Then I guess that might just be the time from
just where you're dropping, you know, from twenty fifth anniversary.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And yo, I.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Tried to make it for for that time for like
because I came out of February. But you know, for
whatever reason, it wasn't wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's like nas hit you like, hey, We're about to
do some great ships.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
No not. It was like I've been looking for a
home for it, like you know what I mean the game,
I just was holding a lot of a lot of songs.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was looking.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I was looking. I was looking for like another home,
another home, like a home for it. And Peter, Peter
is the guy. He just kept He just really just
kept at my door, like yo, yo yo, supreme kind
We met up like like three times or whatever whatever whatever.
Then he came with the last time. It was like, yo,
you know what, this is what it is? That's that

(06:31):
that that dad? I got this, I got that, and
I just I accepted it.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Can you give me the inspiration? One of your best
verses ever is on Mutang Forever, on Impossible. This is
iconic verse. It's made grown man cry. It gives people
like I remember when I first heard it as a kid,
I was like I had like I was like, suck.
You know what I'm saying, Like, what was the inspiration
behind that verse? Was that a true story?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Some of it? And it is true? When the ambulance,
you know what I mean, when when Jamie, you know
we call her Jamie, that was like, uh that was
my uh my baby's mother's brother. He had got murdered
on on July fourth, you know, and you know that's
where I got. I put some of that in there

(07:17):
like that, and she came downstairs like this.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And you know how the mother's beat.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know, they got they little, you know, still their
gowns and you know what I mean, and came down there.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
You know it was it was an uproar.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
But you know I liked I so I go from
there and I just get and I just paint this
picture and shit like that. Because really a lot of
the times the beat, it be the beat that takes
you there, you know what I mean. If it was
another beat, it wouldn't have been that, you know what
I mean, it would have been something else. So but
the beat is so like theatrical and dramatic to me,
Like how how was how I caught it?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I'm like, yo, you know what, let me jotting
this down, came back to it like maybe like a
day or two later, did that whatever whatever, and finished
it up. And then that's how you got impossible.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Is everybody in the studio with you when you lay
that down?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Like who's there was people in there?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't I can't remember who was in there though.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
But look like it's like a moment it was. It
was it was people in there and like a movie
like that trying to say like short, yeah exactly, yeah,
yeah exactly. So that's how I like the right. I
like the right, like like movies and and things like
that that just that just go like, I'm more better,
I guess at that than just doing like a lot
of because I like to pay pictures and shit because

(08:30):
I'm like a deep thinker.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
And ship.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You have a record, the fourth Disciple record on the
Shoe album that's very in that same vein.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yep yep, yep, yep, yep, because you know that yeah,
hell he is, so you know, it was like that
the beat was, like I said again, it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Was the beat that that.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
That grabbed me and snatched me, that made me just
get and just try to catch those kind of bars
and ship and yeah, it was just And that's an
old record too. That record is probably like a good
maybe like sixteen seventeen years that I had that.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Beat somehow, you like, because you're like one of the
most artists of all time and yet you like, I
feel like you've tackled so many like everyday issues that
like people go through, like you're gonna cheating on you. You
know what I'm saying, Like I remember back like that
came out and I was like, right at the time,
I was like fourteen in this little eighth grade bitch
cheated on me dog and that shit like that shit
hit me.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know what I'm saying. It is like, yo, well
you told her you played it.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
For no no, no, no no. By the way, great
album Bulletproof Falls is great, but but for you, like
when you approach for example, like the last song on
the album is You a metha Man? Yeah, and it's
talking about having a real friend, right yeah, But that
to me, that's like such a like it's it's almost
like it's something we all go through, something we all have.

(09:44):
We all have like homies that like we have that
are like that. But it's like people ain't making those
type of records anymore that like we can live to,
that we can relate to.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
You know what, right yeah yeah, yeah, you know the
world the game is like I mean, it's it's it's
it's like it's really like being cheated. Man. It's like
because you know it's just this is internet ship came in.
It's like it just goes. It's just somewhere else. They
just the kids just taking somewhere else with it. Like,
don't get me wrong, I love it. I love what
the kids doing this, But I wish the kids a

(10:12):
lot of the times with with with you know, like
you know what, all just a chick with you know
you money, drugs, jury, girls.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's all they they that's all it's about now.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
But when you take a record like Cream, I grew
up on a crime side New York Times side, you
know what I mean, it's like, yo, nigga, you're putting
that painting so so I don't you know, it's it's
it's it's it's what we at today mentally, you know
what I mean. But me, you know, I'm an old
school cat, you know what I mean. So I respect
the little nigga stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Any any any of the young guys you with, like
the real young dudes you unders said. I know you
like Drake and Kendrick and all that, but like any
of the younger, younger guys.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, I like him for for for It could
be the vocals, you know what I mean, and how
they like you know what I mean, Like it depends
on what time it is, Like I must you know,
I like, I like Kodak Black and those guys like
that or whatever the case may being. You know, probably
a few other ones, you know what I mean. Then
anybody's not on my radar. But you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You got my old young friend on their Gorilla NMS.
He's on the album oh them.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah yeah yeah, yea yeah, I love nams yeah yeah yeah,
yeah yeah yeah. So I'm just saying though, as far
as the kids that's out right now, you know what
I mean, it's just different, it's different. They they probably
won't make a song like how me and MeV did, right,
you know what I mean. But it was just like
when I got that beat, that'd beat. That's an old
record too. Wow, that record is like like probably like good,
like how long is that wives?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Sixteen seventeen?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
You know what I mean? Yeah? Oh yeah, those was
like metaphysics in them. Those is like twenty three year
old versus like you know what I mean. And that
so you know, I tried to when I was doing
his album. I was like, yo, you know what you know,
you mix them together, try to mix them together, try
to do some shit that's today and back then and whatever.
I felt that was right there can get and catch
a vibe to real quick. And that was it, like

(12:04):
you know what I mean, it's all it's all a
vibe for me, Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So you're coming up obviously rizzaizz a ODB or family family, yes, yes,
late like blood Yeah, you're in laws of Rizza. Yeah
right yeah. At the time, like when you're coming up
in the eighties, from what I understand, you were like
kind of in a stick up crew a bit in Stapleton.
Is that is that a fair.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Point bringing around you know, we was doing a bunch
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
At what point in time was it like Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna go ten toes in on this rap ship.
Because it's because.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
When we did around the time, when we did maybe
iron Man between yeah, like around like iron Man.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
All the way up into Iron Man, you were still
kind we were still dabbing.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah. Then Rizza was finding out. He was like, yo,
you can't do both, Like what you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Already out huge?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, thirty six Chamber was up or you're still.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah because you you you you.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You taking that money and going to get these little
fucking bricks over here.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know what I mean, just stay And.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
The third and was like, yo, yo, you're still doing
that ship man this and that and you know.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So I had to make a decision, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And it was like, Yo, you know you gotta just
leave it alone, bro, because you fucking with a risky
game and they could get you jammed up and then
what you're gonna come home around right now and you
beat you washed? Like you know what I mean, Like
you know what I mean, you might forget everything and
not even that of rhyme, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It was like back then there was like hip hop
police and was going down.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, exactly exactly, so they was watching us regardless, you
know I mean. So you know, and when he told me, like, yo,
leave it alone, and he was like, yo, is exact words.
You really can't mix pork with beef, you know what
I mean. So I was like, yo, you know what,
You're right, it's gonna be one or the other. And
I chose just leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Uh. There was the Wu Tang financial skit on The
Chappelle Show. Yeah you have Dave Chappelle doing a skit
on this album.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh yeah, Chappelle yeah, yeah, so ski yeah, yeah, yeah, ll.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Take me back to like when Chappelle does that skit.
It was hilarious and it's like the iconic.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
But you know we needed the skit on it with
Oh with You because I wasn't up there.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well no, I know what I'm saying, like like that
ship is like it's forever.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it is, it is.
It is. People love that ship.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
And then for now you know he's on the album
and he's on the album.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, because you know, Dave a big Wolf fan. Yeah,
we just we just did something I forgot was the
other somewhere with one of our last couple of shows.
He showed up and you know, came on stage and
ship fucked up, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
But he's always having a good time.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
He always have got the drink he goes, he must
do that. He's just he's a.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Good time guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And yeah, so you know he he that skit right
there was like you know, that was all over the
world though, Like you know what I mean, I was like,
oh shit, nigga, Dave Sappelle, you know what I mean.
But to be around him and they tell him like, yo,
you know what, because he got his own little place
out there and I'm in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, and was like that, yeah, Yellow Springs exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
So we went out there, did a couple of songs
from him to the show for him or whatever the
case may be. You know, Dave, he feeling good like
you just said, and you're having a good time. And shit,
had us out there at fucking like three o'clock, at
four o'clock in the morning, and shit, you know, he
ain't delivered the skit that day though, you know what
I mean. We went out there for that, like yo,
he for y'all, I'm fucked up again. Get this ya, yell,

(15:36):
I do this, I do that, you know what I mean.
So it was like all right, man, but he saying
he sent it through and we put it together.

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get back to the interview. You you being on the
Kendrick album a few years ago. I heard you say
you cut two different verses for that as like you
gave him two options, Like hey, yeah cut, yeah, I
got just one or ever you want to take?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Because the record was so dope, I didn't really know
which way to go with him. So I'm like, yo,
you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Gonna give you.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Take that one, yeah yeah, and take this one.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
He's like, oh shit, you sent me too, Yeah, because
I don't I didn't really know which way to which
way to go. You know what I mean, like, you
know what you you know what you what you want?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
So would you ever use that other verse? He didn't
use on anything.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Because he had he had, he had, he had used
he had with his verse around. So it's like, so
I'm I like the original verse, you know what I mean? So, uh,
you know it's still there, It's still there. I was
thinking that maybe he might want to funk around and
maybe use it for something or if not, it's whatever though,

(17:25):
you know what I mean. But I would definitely check
in with him to be like, yo, bro, cannot you
know what you doing with that?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know what I mean? Right for sure? Like hey, hell.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, even his verse you you made me start thinking
about something because he's his other ship was fired, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
What I mean? Like, Yo, why do you use ther.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
J yo word? Like Yo, that other ship? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
But that ship was crazy too. ODB man, I want
to talk about ODB for a sec because I feel like,
you know, when it comes to charisma, when it comes
to delivery, is one of one still to this day? Yeah,
what what in ninety eight when he crashes the Grammy stage?
What's going through your head when you see that it

(18:07):
was him.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
It was him. It was like, yo, that's dirt Like
it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
It wasn't even it wasn't even like like I just
know what he do. So when it happened, it was
like I was like, oh, ship, but I wasn't. I
wasn't really totally just blown away because he do ship
like that, Like he don't. He's one of the motherfuckers
that just did anything off the top of the head.
But it was and it don't be playing this be
like it be him like this way he he do

(18:35):
he do just he just do ship, you know what
I mean. So when he did it, it was like, yo,
you see hell what he said, like, yo, I paid
too much for the suit, ya not to get the
ship and y'all gonna give it puffy good, he said,
puffy good. But who takes for the children? Like you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So he don't that same.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
He ain't really give a fuck about nothing like he
believed in what he believed in, you know what I mean?
And Dirt was was was was Dirk, Like I just
would tell somebody like, yo, man, I never seen another
soul again like him. Yeah, one like him. It's God
made him different. Like his spirit. You know what I mean.

(19:14):
He do ship that you would want to do, but
don't do it, you know what I mean. He's one
of those guys like damn, like you know what I mean.
And whatever you was thinking, like you could you could
funk around and he could have dropped his food right
there on the floor and outside he gonna.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Pick it up, dust it and eat it. That's fun, you.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Like, that's that's him.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like you know what I mean, I don't go to
dog God, make dirt, dirt, don't hurt, but brust brush
that ship off and eat that ship, right, you.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Know what I mean? Yeah, of course, of course you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
You seen what he did with the MTV shit when
he had the welfare was in the ship with the
wealth that was no I want more money. They're only
forty acres of the menu anyway, you know what I mean.
So it's like that's him. Whatever you see, that's him.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
When method Man and do the torture skit on thirty
six Chambers, right, do you like when you first hear it?
Are you in the student because that ship is diabout hilarious.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I don't remember if I was in the studio.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But when you first hear it, like, what are you
so much the fun were y'all doing in there?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah ship. Yeah. That shit was
like yo, man, it was crazy, like because I remember
us being in there in in fire House Studios putting
this album together and just time. You got like fifty
people in the studio at one time, and yeah, and

(20:34):
they just matter of fact, I think I was there
and they're just going at it. Yeah, they just was
going at it. That met Verse ship, right yep, oh
yeah yeah yeah, yeah I was there.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I was there.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I was there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
It was dead meth Vers.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Your asshole closed and keep feeding.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, I forgot about that record man and feeding you.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
It was just we need to do that ship.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Hilarious.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
That was on Metho mans hold on.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I was going into method man right exactly, about to.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Say yeah yeah yeah yeah, but yeah man, they they
it's you know what man, those was like prime time days,
like you just in it.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Now it's like, Okay, you sat here for thirty years,
you're doing what you're doing ai ai ai. But when
you in the beginning, when you first starting to get
your feet wet, it's just it was just it was
just and we young too different still blocking it up
and being on here, staying on these corners and doing
that and doing that, and the way hip hop was

(21:28):
at that time. It was a spirit in the air
for sure. You know how ninety three was. I don't
know how it was.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I old.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
He was a ninety three. I was six, all right, cool,
So you know, you couldn't even imagine, you know what
I mean, like just a spirit. It was like, no, listen,
you floating on a spirit out there in ninety three,
like all great music and you know what I mean,
Biggie you got, Biggie nine, Mob Deep Snoop Dre you got.
It was just like it was a rapist mob deep.

(21:56):
It was a rapist fucking circle of music, right that
at that time. And ship and you know you got
the fatigues coming in you got you know what I mean, Uh,
just a bunch of other ship that was just like
yo oh ship yo.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
And we had we had the tunnel of course. You
had that.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Man, how dangerous was like that er place?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
It was dangerous.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You can't cook come in, man, it's dangerous. You better
came in there with some people. But you know it
was it was the tunnel? Was the tunnel man? I
think it helped maybe like three or four thousand, maybe
more than that, you know what I mean. But that's
where you got robbed. You know, you had to be
strong in there. You have really had used to have
a click unless you by yourself and I don't know you,
and you could just you just in there mingling with

(22:40):
you and your couple of friends. Other than that, we
was going in there wrecking everything in the tunnel.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yo. So I had heard that only belt was supposed
to initially be who Gambinos, but there was like Steve
Rifkiss said that somebody had reached out to him like
some sort of back channel that the actual Gambino fit
family wanted like some bread or some ship to use that.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I think there was probably some truth to that or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
It was. It was it was Wu Gambinos. But if
I can remember that, do sound like a little bit familiar.
We went straight to Cuban link or whatever. But but
it was something to deal with wogang Binos, with the Gambinos.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
With that name that because back then you guys are
coming up in the mafia is running like that.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
State alland was more a mafia state. Allen was like,
we're all at you know what I mean, Costallano Wen
and and and what's the thing that snitched on Gotti
and all that ship? Yeah all that you know what
I mean, So that all that ship was on that
was on was on Staten Island, man, you know what
I mean. So yeah, so we was in the and
then make some ningas was sucking their daughters and ship,

(23:50):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So you definitely of course, you mean, like you know,
like if you're gonna take a mafia guy's daughter out
to day.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I mean, but the Italians they love to like I mean,
you know, like yeah, so it was like yo, but
then again probably was carefully like you said, you gotta
care you know me?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, you don't at that time. I'm at that time.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you know I was due. I would
think I was on the Yeah. I think you're right,
yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
If I'm a chick from who's connected to the cartel,
you gotta be nice.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Nice, Yeah that's right.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Are you right?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
You got to make her feel good about the breakup?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, definitely definitely, like yo, you know what, my bad, It's.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
All good listen. Yeah, you know I'm bad timing for me,
you know. But hey, uh one of the you know,
probably a top two or three song for me all
time is Triumph, which is a song that I feel
like everybody just delivered their A game on. It's one
of the greatest hip hop music videos of all time.
What was that approach like when y'all did Tryumph, because

(24:48):
that's the first single off Utang Forever.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
That was Yeah, it was like and I had to
do that. I had to go and I had to
I had to, like it gave me problems. I had
to go in there and that like I had I
don't know how many minutes I had to just throw
whatever in the air like that.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
But it was like, yeah, that beat was just crazy.
Rizal had came in one day.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
He was in the he's out here in American Studios
on Lincolnshire, you know what I mean. I think that's
next to fucking what's the ship?

Speaker 3 (25:21):
What's that ship?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I got this Universal Studios thinking somewhere around there and shit.
But yeah, that shit was hidden and you know, I
got in I think one of the last ones, like
probably was the last one. And yeah, that's like everybody was,
especially Deck Deck Set it it off like yo, so

(25:42):
fucking crazy like and he's you know, as far as
the Klan, he's like one of the best. He might
be the best set off guy, you know what I
mean ever in the Klan, Like you know what I mean.
At that time, his mind was just like he was
a really inspected for real real you know what I mean.
But yeah, but that song there, if you heard how

(26:02):
it was hitting in that day in the studio, it
sounded like how it sound now.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think that was the first like million dollar budget
music video.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yes, yes, yes, Brett Ratner that.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
It was a damn Brad rat that's Rush Hour too, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Brad Ratner, yup, he was dead.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yup Dirt. We tried to get dirt and there dirt.
Dirt was dirt again. And I ain't doing no fucking videos.
Give me ten thousand and I'll do it right now.
Niggas ain't get the ten thousand four. So he put
Papa Wool in the mask, put him in there and
there like that's not.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Even him, I am, hell no, so that's not already
be in the video.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Hell no, that's Papa Woo is waiting? Did that bad? Dir?
Dirt was dead? Third, one ten grand.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
He's like, I'm not I'll be here camera.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, he's just one of them. Give him his money.
That's how he That's how he treated this ship. My
brother was allomatic man his days. He fucking all of
us face. Y'all ain't shipped without me. Y'all ain't shipped
without me. That group wouln't be shipped without me, yo.
And that's that's.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's so funny because we got we got a little
bit like of a peek into like some of that
uh you know in the Inner Group, you know, drama.
When the show movie came out, uh, the show, that movie,
the show was like in a nineteen ninety five that
documentary came out, whomens in Japan know nless.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
You had like meth and you guys yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah. I mean it's nine people, yeah if
you count Dona, like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
You know, there's so many dudes and all that, plus
the DJ yeah all they' all so incredible, right, it's
got you know, I can just imagine just how it's
just like.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Earth Whender's fire over there, you know what I mean,
It's like he assembled the most high assembled, Like how
he assembled us. It was crazy, like like you never
get another clean shot of like dope brothers just getting
busy at one time ever getting in life like that,

(28:01):
Like it's that many like you might catch a little
five pack or whatever, but like that, like that, that's
dropping signs, mathematics and all that ship like that and
and and could do that and do that and do that,
like it was all different ship like that we brought
to the game, Like you know what.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I mean, how how how was it?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Because I got to go to the Final Chapter tour,
which was incredible the way y'all sequence did and broke
it down, like broke the show up. Yeah, was out here.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I went to Ontario. Oh, how to be safe? I
hate Killer Mike. I said, Hey, I'm gonna be honest.
I know how crazy backstage is gonna be. What's the
best move San Diego or Ontaro. He's like, come on Tario.
But right, man, y'all come out fucking melting people's faces
off with the thirty six chamber ship and then right
and you and Ray got your It was right. What
was that like though? Just being like being on the

(28:48):
road there at this stage of y'alls lives, bringing it together.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, you know, ain't gonna be I'm gonna be
honest with you.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
It felt it felt so good, like it felt like, Yo,
this is the this is the best time I had
with these guys on the road since I ever did,
you know, as far as the show goes right, as
far as the show gos that we ever did like
you know what I mean, because we new York place,

(29:16):
we felt comfortable. You know your records now the lineup
is cool. You know what I mean. It's all in sequence,
you know what I mean. Every everything just went right,
you know what I mean. Then you know the little
booking agencies of the Iconic, they was smooth. What they
think they had everything legit everything. It felt it just
felt like you felt. You felt like how you're supposed

(29:37):
to feel.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I did chars where it was like yo, a lot
of shit fucked up. But this time I heard going
out with these guys, it felt beautiful to me, like, yo,
all right.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Cool, what's the Because I have a point. I felt
like you won. Look, so I got this poster here.
It's Rage against the Machine Wu Tang seven Classics. I
remember just seeing footage of this on m TV.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Now I got picked that up and take a picture
with it.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
What what was it? How great? Because this is like wu
tank forever. Everybody's at their peak. MAT's the superstar, You're
a superstar. Everybody like what? Like? Was that? Was that
a harder tour to get through?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We was new man, we were still learning. We were
still learning this ship and didn't give a funk about nothing.
I know, I didn't, you know what I mean. So
it's like it's like, but to be right there with
those guys like that, they was cool too, He's cool
exactly Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, mad cool. But it
was like, man, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
History, bro, that's history.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Just to just you know, I don't know do they
still do they still doing music now?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
No? They were supposed to do a tour during COVID
with I heard something like the Jewels, but it got
canceled because of COVID, So no, right.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yo, man, that's what it was. Man, that's when we
started crossing over. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
That when you guys went out on that tour, you're like, oh, ship,
there's all these so we and we would we listen.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
We we left that tour and it was messed up
because we had to make a decision like come back
to you to your people over here, or stay over
here and get big with these guys. And then the
decision we meant was was we left.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
We left wet Do you remember how many dates you
o there before?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
You guys know, I don't remember ship, But we left
and came back and and and that when we left
and did the it was a hot ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Shit was disaster.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was a disaster like it just it just they
cut our records off that day. They they didn't play
no wou shit no more. That's when Puffy was really
really getting on his ship, like you know what I mean,
because we was like, yo, we had line. Then they
had it started like it started like that, you know
what I mean. And it just wasn't the same no more.

(31:49):
They stopped playing our records. I had to talk to
the what you might call.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It, Why did White they stop playing your records?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Because I cursed them niggas out, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
And it was some of a ship. And then Puff
at the end end of the.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Day, he told, he told, he told reason, he told
Rizzard because they they talked and he told Rizzard this
is like Rizz has told me this like maybe like
a year ago, and ship like yo, that Puff admitted
to saying that he stopped our records up there and
ship like that or whatever, you know what I mean,
while they didn't play that ship and or you know,

(32:23):
helped him hot ninety seven motherfuckers just like yo, that
was it. So it was all bad boy. That made
so when we dropped Triumph that its just like YO,
no radio play, but that ship right there, So that
ship was like oh, so it came out that he
told the truth, like Yo, I had to do it,
he said, yah.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Because you have you know, the whole the ray Kwan,
the Biden.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It might have been accumulation of all that ship.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
He had the power. I don't know what he paid him,
but he had the power to go ahead. And I mean,
you know, you know, you know listen, he was a threat,
you know what I mean. We was coming if that
if Trying would have been promoted like that like it
was supposed to be in shitt and we would have
stayed on nineties on that radio right there. It was
like I think things to right now probably would have

(33:14):
been a little bit more different. But Yeah, that was
a big blow. That was a big blow because the
record was still fresh and we had to leave these guys.
We had to leave these guys. We got to make
a decision. We was on a bus or whether he's
I think it was on a bus and it was like, yo,
we gotta make a decision now, you know what I mean?
Should we stay or should we Should we leave the
Quebec and do this? But they play in our records

(33:35):
and this and that and the third and this then
you know whatever, So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Whatever the decision was, it was workout.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
It didn't work out regardless of what, because even they
still took the record down.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Anyway, Hey, gotta stop the interview. You want to get
a shout out, man. The only thing we smoked, ladies
and gentlemen is slap woods. That's right. Make sure you
follow them at slap woods. And you know the reason
why we smoked flap woods. It's literally because they slap.
You aren't smoke a slap What was What the fuck
are you doing? Get back to you? What can you
tell me about this? Uh? This album Once upon a

(34:12):
Time in chiad Linn that got sold for a million
dollars and then obviously it's gotten resold for like two million,
and it's not supposed to no one's supposed to hear
it for like one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Like yeah, man, I don't know, bro, I don't know
what's up with that ship?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And I was never really knowing that shit. Is it good?
Know what I mean? Is it a good album?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It was not to me. It wasn't good to me.
I'm just not just saying that it wasn't good. There
was a bunch of records up there, but it wasn't like, like, wh.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Album, it's probably good. It didn't even come out, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right, It's like yeah, but it was probably like thirty
songs up there and ship it was like who's like,
who had a couple of records that that y'all might like?
But you know me, I'm funny with my ship, so
I'm very picky.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I don't what's rizial like, guys, I got this play,
we're gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, it wasn't like that. It was a you had
this dude called them what's a nigga names silver silvil rings,
civil rings? You know what I mean? He's been around,
he'd been around the click. But uh, you know, he
went to everybody like one by one. It's like this.
You go get verses from everybody, you pay him from.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Verses, and then you put the ship together.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But then you want to try to like you put
it together and you gotta play, and then you take
it to Riza after the ship was like that, and
then y'alling on and together and then and then all
of a sudden, this, let me.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Get this straight. How it worked was he bought a
bunch of verses from everybody, yeah, put them together, yeah yeah,
and then I owned the rights to these verses. Yeah,
and then I'm gonna combine this and so y'all don't even.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, I don't even know if he owns a right
whatever it is, whatever it is yet.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
But that's what it was. Were you guys aware that
that was something that was gonna even.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Like, nah, man, if you give me a track right now,
I'm just doing it, just giving you the feature man,
and you and you paid me for it. Same ship,
that ship for You didn't tell me that you're gonna
build the album around it.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
That's the sneaky ship. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You're gonna build the album, then y'all gonna do that
it did. Don't even break nobody off after you show
that for that.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Much, because at the end of the day to green
light it.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
He gotta sign off one of them because yeah, sh
off on you.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Everybody else just got paid whenever they got paid for
their feature.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, well that's it. Yep, yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And then the y'all gotta turn on the news and
be like, wait, how much of this motherfucking album sound exactly? Exactly?
So it's like that with him, you know what I
always was confused about, uh that. You know, there's always
this big ghost guy on on Twitter and ship right,
and then like he always is putting projects out with people,
He's done stuff with you, but like I always was like,
is this a ghost face burner account? Like when you

(36:48):
do like some of these side quest albums.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
What do you did with me?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, I feel like I saw something come up on my.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Spot with that nigga, right Wiggs.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
The Big Ghost Ltd. No, Okay, he didn't know me.
I thought I saw something pop up, but I was
gonna ask because you have a lot of like i'll
call them side quest albums like you and like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
H yeah, yeah, yeah, like that you'll.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Connect with like different young and these great albums when
you do those projects, like do you approach them like
it's an official like like part of your discography or
is it more like, Yo, this is a collaborative effort.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah that way, you know what I mean? Yeah, you
just you just it's like I'm like a hit man,
you know what I mean, Like you pay me to
do it, John First, I do it for you.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
And and and and that ship, you know what I mean.
A lot of guys had ship like they send you
the script on how they want what they want to do,
like Adrian and sent the script like YO, talk about that,
talk about that, talk about that, talk about that, and
we get it done. Take your ship, you know what
I mean? And that ship that makes I don't take

(37:55):
it like like yo, it was for me, like you
know what I mean, because a lot of stuff I
probably wouldn't even you know bro, like that I would have.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I would have did different other ship. You know what
I saw that I was thinking about because I'm looking
at it now. There was a Lost Tapes project that
came out in twenty twenty three that was Ghost Face
Killer and Big Ghost Ltd. That's what it made or
word so everly sanctioned.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, it made me du he just be doing just
my He just do a lot of well shit, he
just do too much and.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Ship my in my opinion, the most slept on album.
And I think it's like everyone a lot of people's
favorite like in terms of like in the grand scope
of your discography is fish Scale and you were able
to hop on uh fish scale. Yeah, fish Scale was crazy, dog,
but you were able to hop on that dealer beat
on there the WHOOPI with the Strap record.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Right strap yeah? Yeah, yeah, shouting Diller. I met his
mom's not too long ago and stuff like that, doesn't
she mad?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
That that It took me back. It took me back,
took me back.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I heard the beat.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
It was like childhood shit.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I see I see, I see, I see, I see
me in a little in the living room as a.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Little dude, you know what I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, anybody having a good time, and then shit
like that fly shit playing, you know what I mean,
I brothers and you know what I mean, all the
Blue Magics and all that shit playing right there in
living room.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
And so it took me right back. To that she
used to with me with Stras.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It was that, it was that, it was that, So
I just had to go ahead and go in at
that time what I felt needed to be set on
that beat and lay it down.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
What's crazy because you've worked with so many like incredible producers,
all timers. But is there anybody for whatever reason that
just has it just had never worked out with you
working with him, whether it's an artist, whether it's a
producer that you just were like, man, just for whatever
reason us working together has just it just hasn't happened yet.
Just the starts at in the line, Oh you.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Know you got a couple of cats out there, you
got you got your primo.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
That's crazy you and might haven't worked together.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, we never worked together like that.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, man, I love I love pream, you know
what I'm saying. But it's a lot like I give
I give it to all of produced Pete Rock. No,
we did one with Pete Rock. I did what I
think I might have think it might have been a
prodigy or whatever. But I feel like you and Jason,
but we mean like there was never a ghost face
Hove moment. I mean, I've reached out to his camp.
But you know, Hope is like he like Michael Jackson

(40:28):
right now, like he out you know, he out there
like you know what I mean, Like I can't really
like I can't get close to him like that unless
you know somebody that knows somebody.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
There was also like the weird like here New York
talk that was going on in like the two thousands,
and we're in that conversation. It was like you hove
fat gel fifty right.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I never really fell into that shit.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, man. I just do what I do, and they
do what they do. Whoever, just you know, at that time,
they got the big machine behind him and and it's
letting it off like that.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Alight, cool, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
But I never looked to be like, you know, King
of New York, you know what I mean, and ship
like that. I mean, I write, I write where my
name could be. You know, don't let me be. I'm
not coming to last place, just put it that way.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It hurts.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
So I write for that, like you know what I mean,
And I rat I write because I love the game.
I love the game. I love it because especially doing albums,
it's like it's like people forget how you do albums,
you know what I mean. They put a bunch of
tracks on just something and say that's the album.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I think you got. I think you gotta. I tweeted
this like last year, I think you got a top
five discography and hip hop history. But right you're in
the hell. Yeah, I mean as far as consistency, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
So yeah, but you.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Take all the wu tang shit out about ghost Face
solo albums.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Right right right?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, we we we we talked away somewhere in there,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Man, what the four pound golden Eagle? Yes, listen, this
is one of the most iconic pieces of jewelry and
hip hop history. Where is it today?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
We head at the video shoot the other day.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Outgrew that I had, outgrew it, igrew it.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
We still got it.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I'll let him wear the ice ice you know
what I mean. It couldn't fit on me today. We
was trying to try it on it can It ain't work.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
It'd be like a very impractical thing to wear.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Like yeah, in general, Yeah, if I if I stretch,
if I get the things stretched out and put it back,
you know what I mean? But that thing is like
when you come out, you gotta just be mad heavy
and you gotta you gotta probably just some for for
the for the most part. If you're gonna flash him back,
you gotta throwing a rolle with that ship. Yeah you

(42:43):
got throwing it, got throw it on you. Or bulletproof violence,
yeah you got you gotta.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Just throw it on got just you know what I mean,
what happened to try in the Theodore Unit, because that
was an incredible album to.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, you know, I mean, brothers get old and and
and you know, like you know, you go your separate
ways and not you know, we're still cool and shit,
but you know, things is like he got he got bills,
you know what I mean, he got to take care
of his ship. He gotta do.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
But they did or Unit.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, it was just at the while, it just was like,
you know what I mean, that's just what it was
at that time. You know what I mean, you know
how shit goes It just just come by and just
just pass you by.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Is the story. True Consequence told the story that you
at a deaf Jam Christmas party in the nineties went
upside Wishbones had from bone Thugs and harmony.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
No, I mean, it's it's true, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I don't. I ain't going upside his head. So we
just got into some ship. There's a Christmas party and
and you know, you know, we had our peoples in there.
They haddeas and then we just got into it. There's
a lot of shit being thrown around and there and
ship like that or whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
And and this was in Vegas. No, this was a
New York in New York, Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, so you know, we just it it got crazy.
But and yeah, that's that's that's Billie. It though we
just you know, I thank somebody, not they not from
the side, but somebody might got hey with a my
wet bottle, you know what I mean. But it was on.
It was it was on and there it was on.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
See them brothers to this day and ship like yo,
we man cool. We don't really talk about that like that.
You know, it's back they did. But I didn't go
outside its head.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
No, but but but but okay, but but there was a.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
There was it was. It was an altercation.

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Let's get back to the interview. What is your favorite
uh non ghost set yourself aside Wu Tang verse of
all time? Okay on a Wu Tang album. What's your

(45:36):
favorite verse that isn't your own?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
M it might, it might, it might. Mike gotta be
from Genius, man, Mike might gotta be from genius, he
said on a Wu Tang.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Album, Yeah, Wu Tang album, favorite verse ever that wasn't
your own? I feel like just I mean obviously we
talked about an earlier Jesus.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you never know, like you know,
because Genius is like one of my favorite rappers, like
with him and Nas, you know what I mean. But
on a Wou Tang album, Oh, man, I see you
got me trying to I gotta do gotta get you

(46:20):
some time on that because I gotta go back and
look at these albums and and see what was what
you know what I mean on these on these albums
and ship. But yeah, I can't I can't even tell
you that right now.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
So you end up on New Godflow, which was like
a song that had like originally leaked and you were
on it, but then you end up on like the
official version.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, because I was doing me and Cala was doing
Hip Hop Squarz.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh that the show yeah yeah, and he was like
Rosberg was hosting it.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, He's like, yo, yo, Kanye got this fucking record, man, Yo,
this and that and there. Yo. He got the my
healthy shit on it, this and that you're telling yo
u Yo. I forgot how he was saying you need
to be on that, you need to be on this
until when I heard the ship now like oh ship,
yeah yeah check take that body, oh ship o word.
Then it was like, yo, I gotta get it. Even

(47:14):
my manager was pushed me out. You gotta get on that,
whatever the case may be, and I just tackled. I
just jumped on it. Kanye didn't even know I was
doing it. I just jumped on it and sent it
to him, sent it to him and ship. He made
a movie out of it because he broke all that
music down and just had me coming at the end
of it.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
So fire, yeah, that's how he did it. And shit,
he made a movie. Also. I think one of the
greatest remixes of all time is a special Delivery remix,
which you fucking knocked out of the park.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh shot out of all dimmer Yeah yeah, yeah, crazy
great album, right right right, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah yeah,
I got that for puff, you know what I mean.
He wanted me to jump on that ship like.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
That, despite you cock walking us in ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
It's like, yo, no, because we didn't know. We ain't
know that right, right, We didn't really know, like you
know what I mean, But yeah, you know puffers, puffed man,
a funny dude man, crazy man, you know what I mean.
He had all night trying to get me to come
to the come shoot the shity. All you have to
do is pay me, and he didn't want to pay.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
So you you and Ray and I just feel like
obviously the whole clan in general just have so much
influence over fashion. I think about the Wallabies and the
Tommy Hill figure like what like like how did y'all
initially get into the Wallabe shit? Because the Clarks because
it's like.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I mean, his neighborhood, his neighborhood to me.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Was was like yo, because he had like a lot
of drug dealers up there, right, a lot a lot
of Jamaicans and and and you know what I mean, Guyanese,
big drug dealers up in there. And every time I
go to the Hill, that's what they was wearing, big
heavy Jerry.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
And that's where the vision came from.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It was like, yo, what I made when I get on,
When I get on going on this rope Malabes. You
know what I mean, change get a bird. They had
all because they had they was they was real milky
up there. Things had all that ship like birds change
hanging down and they fucking navel and you know what
I mean, and all the other ship. So I always
kept that vision with me and that's why I use

(49:13):
it for myself. But it was like, yeah, they Ray
Ray Ray. Ray loved fashion, he loved fastion. He know
his shiit, He know his ship. I mean, he might
be the he knew how to push it together, say
it like that. And he no fly ship. So I
pick up a lot of that ship from him, from him,
you know what I mean. So so yeah, he just

(49:34):
he's just one of those guys with the fashion. Ain't
cap Cap knows shit too. But Ray's like Ray, no names,
Ray got names, you.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Know, no names. If we set aside Iron Man and
Supreme Clientele, they're up on the Man tool. What's your
favorite ghost album, your solo album outside of those two.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Outside of it?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, oh they're disqualified.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Probably probably was it a Poe Tree?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, the R and B shit, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Because I like R and B shit. I'm a R
and B cat first great album by the way, Yeah, yeah, man,
And we dropped the ball over there. That jam kept
dropping the ball on you man, you know what I mean.
So that was it. So I was like, yo, you
know what I.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Feel like a lot of songs that could have been singles.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
And it dropped the ball.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I could have been fucking listen, I could have been
surfing right now. You heard it was like you know
what I'm saying. It was like they dropped the ball
like so many times. You know why, because the original core,
the core of it left when you got when you're
passing it down, No disrespect to nobody, but you know
what I mean, when you got a motherfucker that don't

(50:39):
see a vision and just taking you like like yo,
all I'm time these guys, yo, you gotta believe in me,
believe in what I do. That's shit, Yo, this nat
I'm still that nigga, you know what I mean? And
and and and they leave, then somebody else come in
and take over that. Somebody's like three four people changed.
And then when I was there, you know what I mean,
a divine had some joints Like I feel like, yeah,

(51:02):
rahiem divine, Yeah, that's ship. What's that ship we had instead.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Of baby the other one dude, what yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Over was crazy?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
And then John Legend joint what.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Was the uh? And then you had to back like
that remaxer on there with yeah yeah it was at
the end.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, come on man, you know what I mean. So
it's like we had I said, you know what I'm
with these where we can't lose. I'm gonna get you
a bunch of singles.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
That's what I gave. I just hit him with a path.
Take that.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Take that, because you can't denied really like none of
them ships and they ain't do nothing.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I saw the John Legend one.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Day he said, what happened? Said, Yo, Man, I don't know, bro.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I couldn't even really, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Say nothing like yo, like, yo, you got this Grammy
Board winner whatever, nominated this many times, and you can't
even do nothing with that record.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
They didn't want to do nothing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And it was like I said, I ran through like
four different bosses up there.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah I was fire, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yo? What do you like? Because there's so many like
weird spin off Wu Tang projects that like if you
were to go to Wu Tang Spotify profile. Yeah, there's
like hell of random shit right that I don't consider
wutang album. What is the last album you consider to
be a true Wu Tang album?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
A true Wu Tang I mean something.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I like, no, just like an official There's so many
fucking random mutang just I don't know what the fuck's
going on. Sometimes it's like to think independently shit and
then there's like there's just a lot of shits just
getting kind of thrown together with the logo. But what's
in your opinion? What was the last time it was
a like this is a Wu Tang project, Like put
this up in the discography as.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It is different. I mean even some of the shit
that we did after that, to me any the first
two albums was wo albums.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
So even the w Iron Flag w.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
W was coy.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It was a Wu Tang album, but it was dark.
It was too dark. It was too dark.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
She was like, damn, nigga, the fuck you know what
I mean, It's like you just came off for this
and that, and it's like, you know, I mean, it's
I'm in I'm in it, but you know what, I'm
keeping a buck with you. I didn't really like.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I'm funny man, like a better tomorrow. I think it's
probably the last one in my head that it felt
like you guys are.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't know. I got to hear it again, but
you know what I mean. But I know, listen, man,
like I said, the first two, I know, those was
those was the joints. Those are the joints, you know.
But I just know as far but as far as us,
I know where we can go.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
So what I'm listening, so you gotta stay.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It's like if your brother did wrong, you still got
to stand by this motherfucker. You see what I'm saying, Like, Yo,
I don't care. I know you know you're in the
wrong right, but you gotta stand by the product. You
got to stand by it, you know what I mean.
And that's what it was. So I'm just being honest
with you, thinking, like Yo, the first album and the
second album to me, is just all WU albums because

(54:03):
I don't never hear.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Nobody talking about these other records.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I listen, you know what I mean. No, listen, bro
not argue with you about that.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, I don't hear nobody talk about none of them shits,
you know what I mean. So but I'm just but
I know I will potential of fucking some of the
greatest mcs in the world is like, yo, nigga, all
we needed was the right vibe and beats. Let's that's
what it be. The right vibe and the right beats.
That's it, you know what I mean? And and you
know and and it was like I said, at w

(54:31):
was just mad dog and I'm not kicking dirt on it,
but it was like, you know, I know the potential
and where we could go. So that wasn't none of
my you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Can you tell me? Because obviously I think Supreme clientales
in the convo only built for Cuban NAKs is in
the convo outside of the albums that you are on
the on the cover of or that are your own.
I think there's one obvious answer. But what is the
best Wu Tang solo album outside of yours or only bil.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
For Cuban links Wu Tang solo album?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah, I really think there's only one answer here.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
But hold on, but with me and raised not included
in it?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Oh solo ship man? Uh, I might got three.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
For you though, Okay, give me give yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'll take a dirty album, first album album, I'll take
Genius first.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Album, that's the one, right, Liquid Swords.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
And then to Cal the Cal first album, you know
what I mean. So I'll do, I'll do, I'll take those.
I like those, you know what I mean? So yeah, definitely, I.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Think Liquid Swords is like somehow like the most I
showed you.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I think, you know, I mean, like like between him
and Eschol, like my best.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That's your those are your two favorites, like your Gold's
Like I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go. Has
it been pretty dope? Obviously Nas is on the new album?
Of course, you guys got an Adupe record. Can you
take me back to verbal Intercourse? And like Nas got
the fuck off and he he came in historical way.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, he came in.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
He was in the basement over there, Michelle Court.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
You know what I mean. He was gonna Staten Allen.
You know Nives was Nis. I know you'll know what
he's already built for, you know what I mean. He
came in. I don't know did he did? He did?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
He? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I think we all laid our ship after I think
if I'm not mistaken, So yeah, but nas had two
verses he wrote too, he wrote too right there on
the on the spot, and we stuck with that one.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
All of them was murdered too, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
But I think the way he glided on that, on
that verse that we chose him to to pick, that
was it.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
It was.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
It was gone.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
It was a home run, you know what I mean?
So does it exist somewhere to lay it down?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I don't know if he laid it down, but I
know he said it, and he was saying some fire
shitting there.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
But.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah, that was that was it. It was like cameras
in action. He just took that word. That was it,
Glad McGinnis and gold word.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
That was it. Have you still like not watch the
Hulu series? Are you still like oblivious to it? You
watch it, you talked about it, you know cool? Yeah
yeah I watched it. You just weren't interested? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Yeah, yeah, just because I needed to tell my story.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
At least, they should let you pick the fucking actor
who plays you, right, did you have.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Any I mean no, no, he's he's cool. He's cool.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
He's cool.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, he's cool. Yeah what I mean?

Speaker 1 (57:44):
But do you feel like I feel like the ghost
face eighty story before like getting into Wu Tang is
probably like pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
It was man crazy, Listen, I'm not kicking dirt on it.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah, I'm glad it's a dead he did.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I'm glad he did what he d I'm glad he
he put that out because you know what he did.
It was refreshing to like the younger generation. Yeah, people
who like and I'm like this new show and now
she's engaged. Right, So he did that, He did that,
He did that, He did that. That was a smart
move and everything. I just think, I just say't check

(58:22):
it because I didn't get a chance. I mean, yeah,
I never had a chance to talk to the people
that was doing, like the writers, whatever the case, to
let him know, Yo, this is my ship, bro, you
know what I mean. So when somebody's making something up,
they don't get me wrong. Some of it is based
on like, you know, actual shit. But you know what, Nah,

(58:46):
if you're gonna do my shit, nigga, we're gonna do
it right. So I didn't really feel that I had
to watch it like that or whatever, you know what
I mean, because I know the truth and I don't
want to look at something that's like Nah, that didn't
go because I even got bat got a word yo,
niggas in the town.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
It's like yo, this no.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
We was never like no no, no, no relaxing and relax
just TV this and that, but you know, you want
to one real shit.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
So that was it. So I didn't watch it.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
That makes sense. Yeah, I respect it. New albums coming out,
special delivery or not special delivery too, I'm fucking retarded
something about special delivery. Supreme Clientele too, right, right? Are you?
Like when you name it this, you know that the
expectations is like everybody's gonna already just be thinking, okay,
Supreme Clientele too. This is right, This is right, this

(59:35):
is the expectations are crazy, like right. I mean, it's
an amazing album. I was lucky enough to hear it,
but it's like five, bro, I think you delivered.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
You know, it's just what it is for the times,
you know what I mean? I remember, man, this is
twenty five years ago of other Ship, and it's like,
you know, I just wanted to vibe and trying to
like fit a couple of songs and where it's like
good songs, like yo, you know what, I just this
this could pass that could pass, that could pass.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I had to go through the past test, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And you know, and that's just what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I feel like there's like a dope, little high energy
pocket in the album where you got like the DJ
homie like nar kind of like hosting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah break yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, records
in a row yeah yeah. Like you know, because I
try to you got to figure out like where you
want to go, you know what I mean. And it's like,
you know, I'm like I said, I'm an old school cat,
so I like I like doing like this rhyming off
of breaks and doing and you know what I mean.
And because we come from that world though, we come

(01:00:43):
from that world, you know what I mean. And you know,
Todd Boogie was like you know, you know what, yo,
you know, I messed with Todd, you know what I mean.
I messed with all of them, came free all of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Them, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
But you know, Todd was just in the spot one
day where you know, there's a party going on. I
was like, yo, I need you for something, you know
what I mean, And he just kept his word. So
it was like that I just want to make that.
I just want to you know, you could have went
anywhere with it, but you gotta really like when you're
doing these kind of albums, it's like, Yo, where you
going with it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Like Lo Lauren went with like Miseducation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Of course you know what I mean or whatever whatever
of Lauren Hill, that's the vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
That was the vibe. What's your vibe? What's it going
to be? Miss?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
And that and the third So you know, I just
try to play it out like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Before you get out of here, I want to know, Uh,
can you share an MF. Doom story? Because Doom and
you I feel like for whatever reason, Yeah, dude, that's
my god. God. And I know that you guys unreleased Man,
did y'all have?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
We didn't release it? Yeah, it was like we was
going and release it, you know what I mean. But
Doom was on Doom time, you know what I mean.
So we had the records recorded and stuff like that,
and he was sitting there for a minute, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I don't know who. I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I think his family got got direct it to whatever
the case may be. But as time went on, you know,
I just wanted to get ahead and clean my vocals
up because you know, I didn't want to sound like
back then, you know what I mean. So that's where
we was at with it, about to go back in
and and do just the same verses, but just do
them over, Just do them over so it can sound
more up the dating now, plus we have recorded of that.

(01:02:19):
Back then, my man's studio wasn't really all a clear
and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
But how did you guys like link up?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Like what's because I was on a Project RAF tour
with Snoop Corn and remember that, remember that tour?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So but but somebody I had got a I had
got a somebody gave me a c D. And the
name on it was Metal Fingers, you know what I mean.
It was Metal Fingers and I just put it on
and it was like this guy had crazy beat like
up in my up in my alley, like you know
what I mean, like, oh ship, Like, who the fuck
is this? Come to find out it was him. It

(01:02:57):
was him, So I'm like yo, And that's how it
got together from right there. Yeah. So the one thing
just led to the next. Gave me beasts for fish
scale and more fish you know what. I mean he
came through, came through the studio and ship, you know
what I mean, fucking around and I started bumping into
him out there in Europe and shit like doom, Yo Yo.

(01:03:19):
I pull up on him city outside the hotel him
like yo, was yo, yo, doom you're gonna turn around
like because I guess he thought he was on the
hot out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
He turned them, Yo, How you know it was me?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I know you That's how I know it was you.
You know what I mean, like yo, he's one of
those guys, said like, you know, I guess he really
was like in doom mode like yo, like you know,
because he always with some slie, a real slide cat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
That's that's just like yo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
You know what stayed at shelf here, you know, get
in the room and around a whisper to you yo, yo,
yo yo, that's not the third you know what I mean. Whatever,
we posted some things together. I told him, like, yo,
we should do a five pack nigga two for fives
some ship like that. You know, I forgot how I
explained to him, shit next to each other on the plane,
just going at it and ship like that. You know,
he's telling me about the masks and you know what

(01:04:05):
I mean things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, it's crazy because I feel like like almost like
wu tang. Yeah, for the like new generation of kids
like my sons and my son's nineteen, and he wasn't
around when Doom was cracking, you know what I'm saying.
But like there's this whole generation of kids that like
Doom is like immortalized. They got from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Tattoos and yeah, yeah, a lot of interviews, like he
never really showed his face like that. People didn't know
like it was doing. So it's the mystery behind all
that too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
And he's witty with his ship, just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
You know what I mean? He whitty with his ship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So you know that's so we still might get that album.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I don't know, man, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
You know what I mean? It's you rapping over his
beats or was it both y'all rapping?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
We both rapping?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Oh ship, come on, man? Out the way that they
like that, it's like it was. I don't ever think
it goes please Oh, I don't have nothing to do
with it. No, you said you want to recut that,
I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I want to just wanted the game to make it
more clean and like you know what I mean, because
you know, because you know what, if.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
You recut the vocals for thirty six chambers, that'd be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Hear what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yeah, you know, I mean, you know what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Man? We might fucking MF doom face album?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Man? Right, but they got I mean, the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Unmixed, unmastered. It could sound like he was recording a
fucking shoe box.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
His family got his family got it? Dope, man, got it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Word though, Well, now it's out there, let's just put
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Are you okay with that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Hopefully negotiating for the family right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Now, right right right, right right right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
No, listen, man, the new album. Everyone should go go
go run it up. Man. I'm just glad to see
uh you know you and Ray Uh delivering. In twenty
twenty five, the WU tour was incredible. Right are you
does the battery in your back? Are we? Are? We
just still recording? Like what is like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
You know, the battery's there, battery's batter, battery's there. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
So you know, we we're older now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I understand music more than ever, you know what I mean,
the frequency of music.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
And yeah, man, as long.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
As this is a good beat to it, like you
know what I mean, A fire track that make me
want to get and get busy. Oh we there for it,
We did for it. But you know, the spirit is dead.
The spirit ain't never left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I would love to hear because you know who's doing
a lot of collap albums as Alchemist, if you're an alchemist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Alchemist told it to me all the time, whole album.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
They called me for that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yo, yo, we need to do seven pack and we
need to do that. You need to do that, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Have you heard Alfredo too? No? Him and Freddy Gabbs
fucking got off.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Oh yeah, but I heard about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
So good? What about I'm curious. Did you listen to
the new Eclipse album? Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
They they kind of like, yeah, they kind of like
lit that match. They kind of kind of like looked
that match. They kind of looked that match.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I feel like I feel like it was like battle
last year. Yeah, and then this year Clips just kind
of set it off everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
And then plus you know what it's like, it's like
for music to come back because you've been listen everything
changes and a lot of old ship is coming back
from clothing ta everything you might have you much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I heard about that the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I said, where they take in baggy pants? Now, like
sh got me out of baggy jeans, and now you're
coming back with baggy jeans.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
But my twelve year olds got the bat. He was
wearing some pants yesterday of his birthday. Classic, bro, what
the fuck is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Right? Ship? I was wearing when I was fucking a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Right right, right right right. But but but everything always
comes back around. So when the when when when they
came with that, it was a good time because you
know what we've been hearing the rest of this, Not
saying that music is bullshit a lot of but we
we've been hearing around. We've been hearing a lot of
the same thing for a long period of time. So
now when you get it just reminds you, like yo,

(01:07:55):
you know what, there's still real music to be made,
good music. Not saying not this, not putting that down,
but you know what, from the era that we came from,
you don't hear that like I wish pay La Belle
or somebody dropped the joint. You see what I'm saying
like like that type of shit, you know what I mean.
So when you get music, how they doing and shit
like that. And then you got Ray Kahan coming, you
know what I mean, Slick Rick Kane and Deep is

(01:08:17):
a new one. I'm on that one too, you know
what I'm saying. Then you got Naves and Primo coming,
you know what I mean. It's it's all lined up,
you know what I mean. And whoever else is coming,
are you on the album? I'm not going that just
yeah I wasn't doing that. Yeah I was knowing that.
Yeah nah, I should have been on it. But you know,
well you yeah you're Primo. Yeah but you know yeah,
but you know, but yeah. But I'm just saying though,

(01:08:38):
so all this shit is just a refreshing you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
It's there's no risk of production on this new album. No, okay?
Is it hard to get riz beats in twenty twenty five.
I mean, I'm not gonna say it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
You gotta be there, you know, just to ask him
and you know what I mean, and ship like that,
like he ain't really throwing around beats, I guess me
unless you ask him. But you know, we're grown now,
so we just be going hand like yo, who got
who got that? Who got that? Who got that sound?
We got that sound? We got that you know what
I mean? For whatever you're looking for, like you know
what I mean? And ship like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So listen, man, thank you for your time. I've held
I've held you five minutes over and it looks like
Alan Strim is about to blow a casket over there.
So good brother ghost, Yeah, baby shit you brother, gohoes
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