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thank you for waking up today. Thank god, Kay Camp.
Welcome back, man.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I appreciate you. Man. What's head in?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
How you doing man? New album, Just drop, Just drop.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Kiss six. I'm on tour right now, Kiss six Tour.
We selling dates out back to bad We got the
region tonight sold out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We just yeah doing shit. It's crazy, man, Can you
kind of like I feel like you've kind of like
done this R and B hip hop thing at such
a high level and it's it's you know, I think
obviously like when you first came in, was you know,
cut Her Off and those type of records you like
(02:26):
kind of reinvented like what fans expectations of what they're
gonna get from K camp or facts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think I've been like that my whole career, even
with when Cutter Off and all that came out before I.
The records I had before that was a whole different
type of vibe, you know what I'm saying. So cut
Her Off was a whole new, whole new sound and
a whole new energy that I brought. And I just
always try to push the needle for it when it
comes to the music. So I feel like it's always
gonna change long as I'm in that studio. This shit
gonna always evolve and turn into something else.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like I would say, like, would you say when you
do kiss like this, this, this this line of projects
that you have, is it something that you approach it
with where you're like, okay, is it a genre? Do
you feel like what you're doing is like it's is
that R and B slash hip hop? Like cause you're
obviously yeah, yeah, that I'm is such a vibe I appreciated, Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I think I call it trapping B bro, trapping B.
I call it trapping B bro.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know what I'm saying. I just I just try
to blend all the world that I'm familiar with. You know,
I know I got a huge female fan base, so
I can't leave them out. And I've been doing this
kid serious, it's like two thousand and eleven, twenty ten
almost like so I feel like it just stuck with me,
you know what I'm saying, and is I couldn't even
get away from it if I wanted to, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I feel like this is the
last one. I'm telling myself this is the last one,
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like seriously, because I want to start something else. I
want to end it with a bang, like you know
what I'm saying. But we'll see where it go. So
this is the final one. Yeah, but I said that
about five to two though.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I feel like once the fans start hitting you
and they're like yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But I'm gonna tell you why I dropped six though,
cause when I dropped five, I was within the scope
and I told myself I was gonna drop six when
I go independent. Now you're independent, yeah, I mean depend
I've been independence since twenty two, So I dropped that through.
You know what I'm saying, my own situation, distrial situation
with Virgin Virgin. Yeah, shout out to Jack and shout
out Trent. You know what I'm saying. The whole team
over there.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, No, that's big. So are you because I know
I know some folks who were kind of like working
with you behind the scenes in that uh deal? Was
that something? Because I'm sure you could have had your
picks from the Create music groups, they Foundation, every empires. Whoever,
what was it about the Virgin situation that was attractive
(04:30):
to you?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I ain't gonna lie call that shit fell in my lab.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You familiar with.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Music biers, Yeah of course, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So you know we was on tour with Gates, Well
we didfied, We did fied cities with Gates last year
and one of the last stops was like Knoxville, and
I had an at the party in Nashville, right, And
when we was in Nashville, my DJ was like, music
biz is in Nashville this year, and I remember he
went the year before and I wanted to go, but
I missed it. I think, I don't know what the
hell I was doing. So I was like, shit, let's
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stay in Nashville. Let's the music bids, you know what
I'm saying. So we had no tickets, we had nothing.
We just put us to the hotel and finised our
way in the whole situation, you know what I'm saying.
New folks in the building and just got a room.
They was there, supposed to be sold out. We flirting
with the girl at the front there. She gave us
a room and ship. So we really finished our way
into music bids that year. And you know, going to
(05:19):
the seminars and shit, got a day passed and I
was walking upstairs in the ballroom and the guy stopped
me and saying, hey, UK Camp right, And I was
like yeah, He's like, I'm a fan of your music.
And I got an artist, and you featured one of
his songs and y'all doing it. Basically, it's the best
streaming song on aurum Me just dropped right and it
was ed. It was air Benicher was a Brian shafton.
(05:40):
You ran into Brian. Yeah, you know some you know something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's what I remember. I was on. I was on
a zoom holl with Brian about some shit and he's like,
I just got off a zoom call with the k
camp man. We're excited to be Yeah, I said, great for.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You, my dogs. So we ran into Brian and we
all connected, you know. You know what I'm saying, because
we was already working in independent play when I got
out of in the scope. You know what I'm saying.
Me and my business partner we running through our own distro.
You know what I'm saying. We run the whole independent
play for reer, like on a serious level. So he
was impressed about what we was doing. Long story short
at the music bis, you know what I'm saying. He
(06:13):
kept in contact. He said, I want to help y'all.
He gave us three situations. Version was one of the situations.
I said, let's entertain it and we went back and
forth with the lawyers, and I got a great deal
out of that situation. I went up to La Jacqueline,
met the whole staff, and we've been running ever since.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, it's crazy too, because like I feel like with
what they got going on, it's like, you know, if
you go to I won't even say names, but let's
say you go to Distribution Company A, they.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Might have a thousand artists, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So for you to like really matter in the building,
like one to give you a project manager and probably
has like ten other things going. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's like I think, I think I'm I wouldn'tay
I'm the priority, but I'm priority over there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But I know, I know you are, Jacqueline and got
up out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, Jacqueline A. My I DN right now trying to
figure out what's the saying. You know what I'm saying.
So it feel good aheaded though, because I feel like
I ain't had it at Inoscope. For sure, I ain't
had it, you know what I'm saying. So this situation
feel better because you know what I'm saying. We plan
on were playing on levers this time. We already had
the foundation and levers so it's like at this point,
it's like a partnership, Like, you know, we know what
we're doing. We'd improve that. We can make money and
(07:18):
we can do this shit on our own. So now
this partner and just make this shit bigger.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
What do you feel because you know you've done such
a good job of like building your flock. I say,
you have a pretty crazy fan base.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's my floaters?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Is that what they call the call them your behaves?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I always wanted to be. It's just like it's working. Now.
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feel like early on, like you had these bigger songs,
but the songs are bigger than you. Was it was
because you because you weren't like you weren't like running
(09:21):
around like around that time you had like fucking Migo's
running ruck get It shootouts like the world Star. You
were just you were just putting out hit record.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I was just putting out his and that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Career songs were bigger than whoever k camp is. So
what was it that you were able to do that
you realized was making like traction and inroads when it
came to like grabbing these fans, and.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I had to get in front of it because that's
not that that wasn't the first time I heard it.
I heard that shit so many times, so it was
like one of them things like I had to you know,
you got to step back and figure out why the
hell is happening? You know what I'm saying? Why is
the song? Of course I make great music, but why
is the song bigger than me? And I had to
realize I wasn't in front of that camera enough, I
wasn't networking enough. I wouldn't be more personable, you know
what I'm saying. I'm a humble, low key too. I'm
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a private nigga. I'll be at the crib, I'll be chilling,
I'll be vibed out, you know what I'm saying. So
I knew if I was gonna have to take if
I was gonna take the ship to another level, I
had to step in front of it. And that's what
I did. I start. If you go back to my
it's crazy because like a lot of my album covers,
I used to hide my face. I used to do
all type of ship. I used to be on some
you know what I'm saying, Uh whatever they call it,
what they would writ intil the ship. You know when
(10:23):
they what's it's a word.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But I can't think there you go or you just
wouldn't be on it at all. You feel me and
hot chicks.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I made the switch on I think the float cover.
I think that it's either before that or the Float cover.
I told myself each cover, if you go look at
all my covers, my face is on every single one,
like face face face face face face face face face,
And that was that was the thing. I was like, Okay, cool,
they gonna know who I am. I can't let these
records be bigger than me, and I think I I
think I caught up to it now, No, for sure,
(10:53):
I think I caught up to it. You know what
I'm saying. That's just time in the game for real.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Do you did you notice the difference between like the
hard ticket sales, like between this one. No, no, no, just
in general, like when you started to be more front facing.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh hell yeah, hell yeah, when I started stepping know
what I'm saying, When I started moving around more and
just networking and popping out like when you know, the
fans start to see my personality a lot more and
they you know, of course, now obviously, shit, we in
real time right now. We don't tour right now. And
this ship, this ship selling how many dates you're doing
right now? We got twenty nine cities, I think a lot. Man. Yeah, yeah,
we only on day five, running it out, running it up, man,
(11:28):
you know what I'm saying. We sold out to read
like we were killing it Like I'm not surprised, but
I'm surprised because you know, I've been torn five years straight, bro,
and you know, it's been a process. It was at
a point where it was only fifty people in the
building and then turning one hundred people. You know what
I'm saying. You know, the process is just torn and
torn and putting that money up and not really coming
(11:48):
back with no financial results. But it's like, is it
shit working for real? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You If you come back it's a hundred one time,
the next time it's five hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what I'm saying. You gotta but you gotta
keep You gotta keep putting that money. You gotta keep
taking that risk and betting on yourself. And you know,
I've been betting on myself this whole time, and I
fair find I finally feel like it's paying off.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
One hundred for you? Man, is there anything that you
would You know a lot of artists they'll they'll sign
a deal and get their advance and you know, it
works out or it doesn't work out. I feel like
the major label versus independent thing, it's really just like
it's not a one, one shoe fits all type of situation.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Sure, But what would be your advice to somebody who
maybe is contemplating whether or not they maybe they have
an option to sign to a major or they could
continue to be independent and run it up with what
would be that piece of advice you could give give
someone like that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I'm gonna let these niggas know right now, this independent
space ain't sweet, or they selling on the internet making
it shit seem like, Oh I just go independent. You
can just pop off and make it mine, keep all
the money. You know what I'm saying, That shit ain't sweet.
Like I wake up every day every day and on
top of business and it's you know what I'm saying,
group check just it's it's it's a real business dog.
You got to really take yourself out of the artist's
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mindset and become a real business man when it comes
to this shit. And if you don't got your business together,
if you can't really understand contracts and conversations that lawyers
are having or account is that like you can't, if
you can't understand the language, it's gonna be tough for you.
So my advice is, get on the internet, pick up
a book, get on chat, GBT, figure out what publish
and mean, figure out what goddamn royalty splits, all this shit,
(13:25):
everything that come with this shit. You gotta really do
your research. And it took me years to do. I'm
still learning shit like my lawyer text me some another
day and I was like, what the hell does that mean?
You know what I'm saying to put that shit in chat?
Like you know what I'm saying, Just it's a never
ending process of learning, but if you get in this space,
it can be very lucrative if you know what the
hell you're doing. But independent spaces just not no just
no layup, Like I'm about to just jumping the shit
and just win.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How important is the pub side because I feel like
artists don't. It's like that's like trigonometry or yeah, arithmetic
to a lot of artists. It's like the publishing shit
is so confusing.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It is, but it ain't. You know what I'm saying
it Like it was confused to me at first, so
I can so I tell you point, it is confusing,
but once you figure it out, it's just extratreme and income.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's just your songs.
There's like mechanical woryaltyaster but like yeah, the mechanical words,
Like I don't want to say it wrong, but it's
like you know radio then you got It's like it's
a whole bunch of shit, man, it's like it's it's confusing
(14:16):
as fun. You're right, that's your confusing hell. But you
know what I'm saying, it's just you got to just
get somebody to collect and add in your ship and
just you know, have a good relationship with that person
and she can like what I do with my publisher
shout out to temmy. You know what I'm saying, Like anything,
I don't know, I'd be like, hey, what what is this?
What is it? What is it? What does that mean?
What does that mean? How does that work? Just you
just learned by day? But that check getting cleared, you
(14:40):
damn well published me? You know check.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know a lot of artists have been selling catalog lately. Yeah,
is that something that you've entertained it all or what? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, I had before, probably two or three years ago,
but it wasn't enough for me. It wasn't enough to like,
I want to get all my ship? Just be good.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Did you tell anything? No?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I got all my ship? Yeah? I was.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I was like, you know, I guess it really depends
on where you are, right. It's if you need to
hit a lick, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
If you need it, yeah, sell it. You know what
I'm saying, to use that money to flip it. But
but if not, if you don't need it, like you
know what I'm saying, Because I order the catalog the
more it's worth. And I just went independent, what three
years ago, so my kettle, my independent catalog only three
years old. So I want at least wait till it's
like eight or nine years old. You know what I mean.
You keep running it, keep running out. You know, it's
like compound interest. The more I dropped, the more, you
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know what I'm saying. My next move is you know
how that Jacqueline and you know what I'm saying, bringing
some bringing some artists and really turning you know what
I'm saying, turn the whole system up and creating a
whole you know, whole little movie like some Quincy Jones shit,
like I'm on some to Maine appreciate next, you know,
just trying to turn the city up.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was gonna say, uh, I know, you know, working
with Brian and those Virgin guys, but probably want you
to do your own distribution company, knowing we already got
our own. Sure are you bringing artists on board to
kind of like help them out?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, for sure. I'm with it all. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, this game get triggered. You
know how hard this game is and ship so and
I know how bad I had it in this motherfucker
when I had my deal. So what I'm trying to
do is just I need somebody who can just work
harder than me. Man, and I understand the business. I
don't want to babysit nothing, don't. I want somebody who
just is Benes first, music, not business, well Benness first,
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for sure, business first, Benes first. You know what I'm saying.
But talented as a motherfucker, know how to maneuver to
this game because the ship get tricky, and it can
it can it can fuck you over if you don't
know what you're doing. So that's what really what I
be looking for. Bro.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You got some big features on this project. Shout Ari
Lennox is on.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
There, y Hi. Yeah, those some last minute motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was Carolina Homie Joe true Font. Shout to him,
Shout out Joe. You know Joe all time white white
right there, Joe need to start cussing or something. It's
a white guy was sold. We got to shout him out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, for sure, he need to start cussing. Joe, you
need to start cussing, But you're gonna get all of him.
You start cussing. He don't cuss.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
He doesn't cuss. Hell, Now, good for him. That's a
tough thing to pull off from me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You don't, cause I ain't never heard Joe said cuse I.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Mean my kids school letting fucks fly. And my wife
looks at me like, are you fucking And I'm like, dude,
my bad living fly for that's why you shouldn't bring
me to this ship.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know what I'm saying telling me, But nah, we
got some great features.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What was the last one that you said? There was
something at the finish line? What was what? Ari?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That was the last one? That was That was the
last one that she had sent me the idea through
a text and I was like, man, cut that. I
want to put it on my album, and she cut
it and sent it to me. I did that verse
at the same day. I sent it to k the
Ky engineer. He mixed the whole album. I sent it
to Ky he mixed it up. That was the last one,
and before that it was it was tie. Yeah. I
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had flew to La during what.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Was the BT sounds about right June.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I seen him in I had seen him in
that one club with Sean Baron and Leon Thomas, and
I text Sean it's like, hey, set up a session.
You know what I'm saying. I'm in time trying to
finish the album. And we put him on TI ship
and I did that early morning. He noted his verse
out like every feature was like clutch.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But so you and Ari were texting. She's like, yeah,
I got this idea and You're like, yeah, I need that.
I need it because she wrote the song. It was
called Floating.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I was like, ship per you already know.
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to the podcast. Are you pretty like, uh, you know
accessible when it comes to like maybe for artists wanted
(19:07):
the verse from you and they're dope, like.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I wouldnt tay, I wouldn't say too accessible, But
if I fuck with it, I'm gonna find it. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I don't really if somebody
send me some ship like hop on this, they gotta
be just the cold of song.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But take set up someone to say you meet meet
somebody at an afterparty and they're like.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I actually did that. I I I met somebody
at a gun range. I'll be at the gun range
all the time, ship, and I'm gonna tell you crazy
as story. So you know I was. I was going
to gun range like four five times a week, and
there was this dude in there. You know, he say
he was cousins with the artists from Atlanta that I'm
real cool with. You know what I say, everybody wrap
in the city. Of course, you know what I'm saying.
So he was like, yeah, man, you gotta hear my ship.
And I was like, yo, i'mna fuck with you. I'm
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gonna tap in. So after like two weeks of him
saying that ship, I was just in a mood to
hear the ship today. I was like, bro, just send
it since my email so you know what I'm saying.
Me and my security leaving the gun range, I get
in the car, I just play it and we like
getting the but I got doors open. I'm just playing
a lot out and this ship came on. I was like, boy,
(20:03):
this ship hardest fuck is that? Rolling and rolling and
rolling and rolling. This ship was so all right. I
went back in the gun range, like, hey, where he at?
You know what I'm saying? Where you at? But he
was about to get off. I had to go find him.
I said, I'm gonna do your verse a night, bro,
and he was like, you for real? I did the verse.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
He charged him.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I ain't charged him nothing, that's do. And he tried
the project. He was probably he was about to try
to put the song on the project. I said, don't
put it on the project yet, just save it, do
it right, and then put it out. But there's the
song so hard, this project hard. His name tight shout
out Tighten man.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's fire.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You never know, You never know. There's a lot of
talents in, you know, saying motherfuckers out here. You just
got to take the time and just whatever you like
is what you like.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
But I met an artist who was a waiter at
outback See and then I ended up signing him. That's hard,
And then I ended up selling his record deal to
Matt Cook from Ethica, who ended up signing him.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, he got something, he was fire, he was he
got some right, But you just never know, never know,
brocause pay for my whole bill.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
He's like he was our waiter and then he's like, oh,
by the way, I took care of your bill, and
I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah? Yeah, it's like
I'm an upcoming artist. When you was you know, when
you were in Saint Pete, h I used to listen
to you. I was like, sem me your link, bro,
you bought me dinner being my family dinner. It's like
six of us.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, you know what he was doing. That's a good little.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's strategic play right there, one hundred percent. Man, who
in your opinion in Atlanta right now? Because I do
feel like Atlanta is you know j I D just
dropped offset album, just dropped, you just dropped? Who are
you paying attention to?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Just kind of on the younger side of things in
the city.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
On the younger side in the city right now. You know,
I'm gonna always do home team artists called a little
crank from my side of town.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, tough might be the most Atlantic name of all time,
Little crank for sure. Yeah, what do you listening to
right now? Like, just in general albums, it's been dropping
that you've been bump to.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
See what I got right now? Man, I'm always bumping.
I got some little shimmy here. I got some Newty,
I got some cash cot Bang, I got.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's a little shit.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I got me. I got a Metro new I got
the Money, I got Sniper, I got kodak.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yo the Metro album I love. I don't know what
like like, I don't understand what the disconnect is from
people loving this album. Disconnect Young DROs On there wrapping
his fucking.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Disconnected is if you wasn't part of that era in
the city, you're not gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I just don't. I like, got on a plane the
night had dropped out of a Red Eye and I
downloaded the whole tape and I was on the plane
and I was like, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is like it's like it's like that old Atlanta.
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salute to them. Let's get back to the interview. There's
so many artists that are from that era that like,
you know, I just always wonder, like what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
By business?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know what I'm saying, Business, Like what happened to
Like the shop Boys party hard. You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Cry Boys Hard, they still be around. I'll be saying them,
I see you know what I'm saying, You still see
everybody in the city. You know what I'm saying. Some
of them ain't groups no more. Someone went solo, you
know what I'm saying, Like the Travis.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Porter was so massive, Like they have so many big.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Bucket They got a lot of big ones. I still
quiz all of my dogs, like I see them. I
think they're on that album there going crazy. They got
some schooling on there. Everybody on there. Ship the whole
city on that, not the whole city, but the majority
of the city on the walk on there. Yeah, Rosco
on the whole there. Yeah, I hold Atlanta. I love
trying to Metro for doing that. Try to spins.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Missing the Young l A feature though he on there?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I missed that's on there here on one of them,
I don't know. And I did you see how like?
And and I just got like and I.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Turned them up and I put the money in there.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Spend the block. Did you see? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It did. I forgot how it went.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Viraul, I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Actually I do know shout Nart and b Nar and
b you know what I'm saying. They was working with
uh uh l a. Who else was in there? Uh
Young Ralph? They were They were just you know, I'm saying,
putting content out every day with l A l A
Alley boys. They were just they just had the content, man, Yeah,
(24:59):
they had the content going. I think it just cracked over.
I think the algorithm just cracked over and just ain't
I just caught a whole another wave and you know,
turned them back up. Shout out to that. I like that.
Shout out to beating my brothers.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You're somebody who worked with like the Maribas of the
world pretty early, Maribas, Mariba the singer.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh Mariva, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Whole crew out of Atlanta, the Spirit Village Crew. J
I d It's black, It's Mariba Earth Gang, all these guys. Yeah,
how dope? Is it kind of been to just see
that movement like it's been.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's been. It's been cool to see because Atlanta got
so many damn flavors and so many goddamn lanes that
anybody can shine in their own right. Like with Mariva.
We go back from a cons in the same writing camp.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know what I'm saying. This is back when before
I got signed, before I had anything going on, we
used to all right together and you know, con used
to take us to Orlando and in two weeks chefs
writing camp students. That's a time lucky. They used to
be there. Asian. I don't know if you know Asia,
but she spelled it kind of different. There's a lot
(26:04):
of folks that's in the game still. That was a
part of that. Sorry the kid.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He's fire man. Yeah, got a whole podcast. Shot.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, he got, he got, he got. He was just
with us last night that the club, your club with
us was he was outside almost fluent for it. Man,
he should have the show was crazy. That the show.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Unlike you, I'm not capable of waking up and being
in LA the next day.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We gotta do it. Yeah, I got the glass and.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Then I was supposed to do j I D after you,
and then j I D is rescheduled the next week.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, Jed my dog. When I first mate Jed, we
was hooping with fairly failing them and Jed came in
the gym with a patron bottle. Then he who drunk hell.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
On the sideline just drink and watch.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
At first I made shot je man. Proud of you, bro?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Are you good at basketball?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like how good?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Though?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like did you play?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah? I play. That was basketball before I was music. Like, uh,
I didn't play college ball. I brought my ankle twelfth grade, damn.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
In some of the league.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, and that kind of.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's kind of crazy because like my son plays at
AAU and I feel like these kids play so much basketball.
By the time they get to wherever they're going, uh huh,
they burned out. Well it's like China. It's you know,
it's like I feel like, you know, like you see
all these like dudes getting injured now by getting because
they've been fucking playing they were eleven years old.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's true. It depends on how.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Crazy basketball it used to be. Like you you make
your middle school team, uh huh, and then it was over,
uh huh. And then you'd be like, I'm a try
out freshman year.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now it's like, ayo, you're eleven, I'm gonna put you
with the.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Team needs to be out of there about eighteen nineteen.
But nah, it's a whole different game. Man. It's ship
I don't demo tapped in to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But now now that you're fully indy, are you already like,
I mean, you could drop on you want so this album.
You obviously put a lot of effort into this album.
You're touring it, but are you like, like, are you
able to kind of like are you playing out the
next twelve months? You already have the next album figured out?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, I got I got a lot of music, bro,
you know what I'm saying, ain't not just the craft
of music can put it all together. I stay in
the studio, of course, I got to stay in the studio.
But I want to take a different approach next year.
I want to go just just more on the brand, inside, lifestyle,
just front end side of it. You know, I be
in the studio twenty four seven. I put my heart
and soul into the projects. It's like, Okay, I want
to take a different approach. Still stay in the studio. Still,
(28:18):
you know what I'm saying, shop, I goddamn sword, but
just be on the front end of it a little more,
you know what I'm saying. Like, like we were talking
about earlier, just not letting these records be bigger than me.
I'm trying to be bigger than I'm trying to the brand.
Just push it out there even further. So that's my plan.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What about Uh do you do writing for other artists? U? Nah?
Like what You've never written this? I've written and been like, man,
I can't see this.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I got a lot of shit like that.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I know someone who can.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I just don't like writing. I just seen a
clip pop up on my tip took the other day
when I said some shit like this. It was just
I don't want to be in no studio session with
a thousand riders trying to get a placement for Beyonce Rihanna.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well you're definitely beyond that, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Exactly, but still I got I got an r that
be calling me like camp, you come in and get
the writers camp. Like, bro, I'm not doing that ship.
You know what I'm saying. Compound in your room. I
love writing camps and ship, but it's ours. It was
mine and my my team is bringing your people and
bringing my people and were working on this up.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You tell me what you're looking for and then I'll
handle it on my send you some options.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But like, if I'm not in the studio with beyond
s and all these big artists like one on one
and we're working, I don't want to do that ship, right,
I don't do that ship. I'm past that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I feel like the producer game is the same way.
I'll be telling these like these producers, I'm like, man,
don't chase placements, find the artists.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Find artist and attached to them and grow with them
and give them their sound, give they sound. That's what
I'm doing next. No I produced too. I produce like
five six on the album Fire. I produce my last
thing I produce spend the Block. I've been on a
whole different level when it comes to this music. What
are you using your NPC? Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So you're on the.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Playing It was tedious at first, but that'sh it fun.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just love just you ever take the there's like
the portable one that you can trymall the one.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I need it, matter of fact, I might in it.
I got the rail one the live too, but it's
a smaller one though I didn't get the.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Small one that my guy books, the Beast too. He
did Bodies but offset Jad. He's produced everything Kanye fucking
these guy's, but he records everything on this tiny little Yeah,
Chicago legend books.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Sim me that send that if you get the.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Literally he's like yeah yeah, He's like, no, I don't
think you understand I any beat I play you no
matter who it is. I bring in this little machine
and we plugging in played off this machine.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Man Simmony the Link. I might go buy this ship now.
Because I'm tired of caring. My big is NBC. That
nigga JD be caring around his NBC like it's a
motherfucker cell phone.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I mean yeah man, in old school MP season.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's big man, I hate caring. Run that big box small.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's heavy for sure, but right with the new album
is out, go get a kiss six uh and you
got what twenty four more dates that you're performing tonight?
L A region?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, we had the region sold out. Shout to LA. Man.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What do you say like when you look at your
back end on the streaming sites outside of Atlanta, what's
like the most biggest city, the biggest and then what's
your most surprised big market?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I feel like after Atlanta, it's like Chicago, Milwaukee, the
whole Texas, LA up.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
There is there a place where you're like, yo, I
can't believe I have this many fans out there.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It beat them small ass markets, but I didn't beat
up them market for so many years, so I ain't surprised.
Like the damn Sioux Falls and ship like that and
Lincoln's and shit like that. You know, Nebraska, you feel
me like them type of markets. But when I was
torn When I first started, Torn were doing the C
and B markets, right, We did all C and B.
Just that's like a presidential campaign. You know, when the
motherfuckers trying to be president, they gonna do all the markets.
(31:46):
And when it's time to come to the big ones,
everybody gonna come to the big ones.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
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thank you for waking up today. Thank god, Kay Camp.
Welcome back, man.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I appreciate you. Man. What's head in?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
How you doing man? New album, Just drop, Just drop.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Kiss six. I'm on tour right now, Kiss six Tour.
We selling dates out back to bad We got the
region tonight sold out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We just yeah doing shit. It's crazy, man, Can you
kind of like I feel like you've kind of like
done this R and B hip hop thing at such
a high level and it's it's you know, I think
obviously like when you first came in, was you know,
cut Her Off and those type of records you like
(02:26):
kind of reinvented like what fans expectations of what they're
gonna get from K camp or facts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think I've been like that my whole career, even
with when Cutter Off and all that came out before I.
The records I had before that was a whole different
type of vibe, you know what I'm saying. So cut
Her Off was a whole new, whole new sound and
a whole new energy that I brought. And I just
always try to push the needle for it when it
comes to the music. So I feel like it's always
gonna change long as I'm in that studio. This shit
gonna always evolve and turn into something else.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like I would say, like, would you say when you
do kiss like this, this, this this line of projects
that you have, is it something that you approach it
with where you're like, okay, is it a genre? Do
you feel like what you're doing is like it's is
that R and B slash hip hop? Like cause you're
obviously yeah, yeah, that I'm is such a vibe I appreciated, Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I think I call it trapping B bro, trapping B.
I call it trapping B bro.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know what I'm saying. I just I just try
to blend all the world that I'm familiar with. You know,
I know I got a huge female fan base, so
I can't leave them out. And I've been doing this
kid serious, it's like two thousand and eleven, twenty ten
almost like so I feel like it just stuck with me,
you know what I'm saying, and is I couldn't even
get away from it if I wanted to, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I feel like this is the
last one. I'm telling myself this is the last one,
(03:39):
like seriously, because I want to start something else. I
want to end it with a bang, like you know
what I'm saying. But we'll see where it go. So
this is the final one. Yeah, but I said that
about five to two though.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I feel like once the fans start hitting you
and they're like yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But I'm gonna tell you why I dropped six though,
cause when I dropped five, I was within the scope
and I told myself I was gonna drop six when
I go independent. Now you're independent, yeah, I mean depend
I've been independence since twenty two, So I dropped that through.
You know what I'm saying, my own situation, distrial situation
with Virgin Virgin. Yeah, shout out to Jack and shout
out Trent. You know what I'm saying. The whole team
over there.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, No, that's big. So are you because I know
I know some folks who were kind of like working
with you behind the scenes in that uh deal? Was
that something? Because I'm sure you could have had your
picks from the Create music groups, they Foundation, every empires. Whoever,
what was it about the Virgin situation that was attractive
(04:30):
to you?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I ain't gonna lie call that shit fell in my lab.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You familiar with.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Music biers, Yeah of course, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So you know we was on tour with Gates, Well
we didfied, We did fied cities with Gates last year
and one of the last stops was like Knoxville, and
I had an at the party in Nashville, right, And
when we was in Nashville, my DJ was like, music
biz is in Nashville this year, and I remember he
went the year before and I wanted to go, but
I missed it. I think, I don't know what the
hell I was doing. So I was like, shit, let's
(04:59):
stay in Nashville. Let's the music bids, you know what
I'm saying. So we had no tickets, we had nothing.
We just put us to the hotel and finised our
way in the whole situation, you know what I'm saying.
New folks in the building and just got a room.
They was there, supposed to be sold out. We flirting
with the girl at the front there. She gave us
a room and ship. So we really finished our way
into music bids that year. And you know, going to
(05:19):
the seminars and shit, got a day passed and I
was walking upstairs in the ballroom and the guy stopped
me and saying, hey, UK Camp right, And I was
like yeah, He's like, I'm a fan of your music.
And I got an artist, and you featured one of
his songs and y'all doing it. Basically, it's the best
streaming song on aurum Me just dropped right and it
was ed. It was air Benicher was a Brian shafton.
(05:40):
You ran into Brian. Yeah, you know some you know something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's what I remember. I was on. I was on
a zoom holl with Brian about some shit and he's like,
I just got off a zoom call with the k
camp man. We're excited to be Yeah, I said, great for.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You, my dogs. So we ran into Brian and we
all connected, you know. You know what I'm saying, because
we was already working in independent play when I got
out of in the scope. You know what I'm saying.
Me and my business partner we running through our own distro.
You know what I'm saying. We run the whole independent
play for reer, like on a serious level. So he
was impressed about what we was doing. Long story short
at the music bis, you know what I'm saying. He
(06:13):
kept in contact. He said, I want to help y'all.
He gave us three situations. Version was one of the situations.
I said, let's entertain it and we went back and
forth with the lawyers, and I got a great deal
out of that situation. I went up to La Jacqueline,
met the whole staff, and we've been running ever since.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, it's crazy too, because like I feel like with
what they got going on, it's like, you know, if
you go to I won't even say names, but let's
say you go to Distribution Company A, they.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Might have a thousand artists, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So for you to like really matter in the building,
like one to give you a project manager and probably
has like ten other things going. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's like I think, I think I'm I wouldn'tay
I'm the priority, but I'm priority over there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But I know, I know you are, Jacqueline and got
up out of there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, Jacqueline A. My I DN right now trying to
figure out what's the saying. You know what I'm saying.
So it feel good aheaded though, because I feel like
I ain't had it at Inoscope. For sure, I ain't
had it, you know what I'm saying. So this situation
feel better because you know what I'm saying. We plan
on were playing on levers this time. We already had
the foundation and levers so it's like at this point,
it's like a partnership, Like, you know, we know what
we're doing. We'd improve that. We can make money and
(07:18):
we can do this shit on our own. So now
this partner and just make this shit bigger.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
What do you feel because you know you've done such
a good job of like building your flock. I say,
you have a pretty crazy fan base.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's my floaters?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Is that what they call the call them your behaves?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I always wanted to be. It's just like it's working. Now.
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feel like early on, like you had these bigger songs,
but the songs are bigger than you. Was it was
because you because you weren't like you weren't like running
(09:21):
around like around that time you had like fucking Migo's
running ruck get It shootouts like the world Star. You
were just you were just putting out hit record.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I was just putting out his and that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Career songs were bigger than whoever k camp is. So
what was it that you were able to do that
you realized was making like traction and inroads when it
came to like grabbing these fans, and.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I had to get in front of it because that's
not that that wasn't the first time I heard it.
I heard that shit so many times, so it was
like one of them things like I had to you know,
you got to step back and figure out why the
hell is happening? You know what I'm saying? Why is
the song? Of course I make great music, but why
is the song bigger than me? And I had to
realize I wasn't in front of that camera enough, I
wasn't networking enough. I wouldn't be more personable, you know
what I'm saying. I'm a humble, low key too. I'm
(10:02):
a private nigga. I'll be at the crib, I'll be chilling,
I'll be vibed out, you know what I'm saying. So
I knew if I was gonna have to take if
I was gonna take the ship to another level, I
had to step in front of it. And that's what
I did. I start. If you go back to my
it's crazy because like a lot of my album covers,
I used to hide my face. I used to do
all type of ship. I used to be on some
you know what I'm saying, Uh whatever they call it,
what they would writ intil the ship. You know when
(10:23):
they what's it's a word.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But I can't think there you go or you just
wouldn't be on it at all. You feel me and
hot chicks.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I made the switch on I think the float cover.
I think that it's either before that or the Float cover.
I told myself each cover, if you go look at
all my covers, my face is on every single one,
like face face face face face face face face face,
And that was that was the thing. I was like, Okay, cool,
they gonna know who I am. I can't let these
records be bigger than me, and I think I I
think I caught up to it now, No, for sure,
(10:53):
I think I caught up to it. You know what
I'm saying. That's just time in the game for real.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Do you did you notice the difference between like the
hard ticket sales, like between this one. No, no, no, just
in general, like when you started to be more front facing.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh hell yeah, hell yeah, when I started stepping know
what I'm saying, When I started moving around more and
just networking and popping out like when you know, the
fans start to see my personality a lot more and
they you know, of course, now obviously, shit, we in
real time right now. We don't tour right now. And
this ship, this ship selling how many dates you're doing
right now? We got twenty nine cities, I think a lot. Man. Yeah, yeah,
we only on day five, running it out, running it up, man,
(11:28):
you know what I'm saying. We sold out to read
like we were killing it Like I'm not surprised, but
I'm surprised because you know, I've been torn five years straight, bro,
and you know, it's been a process. It was at
a point where it was only fifty people in the
building and then turning one hundred people. You know what
I'm saying. You know, the process is just torn and
torn and putting that money up and not really coming
(11:48):
back with no financial results. But it's like, is it
shit working for real? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You If you come back it's a hundred one time,
the next time it's five hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what I'm saying. You gotta but you gotta
keep You gotta keep putting that money. You gotta keep
taking that risk and betting on yourself. And you know,
I've been betting on myself this whole time, and I
fair find I finally feel like it's paying off.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
One hundred for you? Man, is there anything that you
would You know a lot of artists they'll they'll sign
a deal and get their advance and you know, it
works out or it doesn't work out. I feel like
the major label versus independent thing, it's really just like
it's not a one, one shoe fits all type of situation.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Sure, But what would be your advice to somebody who
maybe is contemplating whether or not they maybe they have
an option to sign to a major or they could
continue to be independent and run it up with what
would be that piece of advice you could give give
someone like that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I'm gonna let these niggas know right now, this independent
space ain't sweet, or they selling on the internet making
it shit seem like, Oh I just go independent. You
can just pop off and make it mine, keep all
the money. You know what I'm saying, That shit ain't sweet.
Like I wake up every day every day and on
top of business and it's you know what I'm saying,
group check just it's it's it's a real business dog.
You got to really take yourself out of the artist's
(13:03):
mindset and become a real business man when it comes
to this shit. And if you don't got your business together,
if you can't really understand contracts and conversations that lawyers
are having or account is that like you can't, if
you can't understand the language, it's gonna be tough for you.
So my advice is, get on the internet, pick up
a book, get on chat, GBT, figure out what publish
and mean, figure out what goddamn royalty splits, all this shit,
(13:25):
everything that come with this shit. You gotta really do
your research. And it took me years to do. I'm
still learning shit like my lawyer text me some another
day and I was like, what the hell does that mean?
You know what I'm saying to put that shit in chat?
Like you know what I'm saying, Just it's a never
ending process of learning, but if you get in this space,
it can be very lucrative if you know what the
hell you're doing. But independent spaces just not no just
no layup, Like I'm about to just jumping the shit
and just win.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How important is the pub side because I feel like
artists don't. It's like that's like trigonometry or yeah, arithmetic
to a lot of artists. It's like the publishing shit
is so confusing.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It is, but it ain't. You know what I'm saying
it Like it was confused to me at first, so
I can so I tell you point, it is confusing,
but once you figure it out, it's just extratreme and income.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's just your songs.
There's like mechanical woryaltyaster but like yeah, the mechanical words,
Like I don't want to say it wrong, but it's
like you know radio then you got It's like it's
a whole bunch of shit, man, it's like it's it's confusing
(14:16):
as fun. You're right, that's your confusing hell. But you
know what I'm saying, it's just you got to just
get somebody to collect and add in your ship and
just you know, have a good relationship with that person
and she can like what I do with my publisher
shout out to temmy. You know what I'm saying, Like anything,
I don't know, I'd be like, hey, what what is this?
What is it? What is it? What does that mean?
What does that mean? How does that work? Just you
just learned by day? But that check getting cleared, you
(14:40):
damn well published me? You know check.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know a lot of artists have been selling catalog lately. Yeah,
is that something that you've entertained it all or what? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, I had before, probably two or three years ago,
but it wasn't enough for me. It wasn't enough to like,
I want to get all my ship? Just be good.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Did you tell anything? No?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I got all my ship? Yeah? I was.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I was like, you know, I guess it really depends
on where you are, right. It's if you need to
hit a lick, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
If you need it, yeah, sell it. You know what
I'm saying, to use that money to flip it. But
but if not, if you don't need it, like you
know what I'm saying, Because I order the catalog the
more it's worth. And I just went independent, what three
years ago, so my kettle, my independent catalog only three
years old. So I want at least wait till it's
like eight or nine years old. You know what I mean.
You keep running it, keep running out. You know, it's
like compound interest. The more I dropped, the more, you
(15:24):
know what I'm saying. My next move is you know
how that Jacqueline and you know what I'm saying, bringing
some bringing some artists and really turning you know what
I'm saying, turn the whole system up and creating a
whole you know, whole little movie like some Quincy Jones shit,
like I'm on some to Maine appreciate next, you know,
just trying to turn the city up.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was gonna say, uh, I know, you know, working
with Brian and those Virgin guys, but probably want you
to do your own distribution company, knowing we already got
our own. Sure are you bringing artists on board to
kind of like help them out?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, for sure. I'm with it all. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, this game get triggered. You
know how hard this game is and ship so and
I know how bad I had it in this motherfucker
when I had my deal. So what I'm trying to
do is just I need somebody who can just work
harder than me. Man, and I understand the business. I
don't want to babysit nothing, don't. I want somebody who
just is Benes first, music, not business, well Benness first,
(16:14):
for sure, business first, Benes first. You know what I'm saying.
But talented as a motherfucker, know how to maneuver to
this game because the ship get tricky, and it can
it can it can fuck you over if you don't
know what you're doing. So that's what really what I
be looking for. Bro.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You got some big features on this project. Shout Ari
Lennox is on.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
There, y Hi. Yeah, those some last minute motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was Carolina Homie Joe true Font. Shout to him,
Shout out Joe. You know Joe all time white white
right there, Joe need to start cussing or something. It's
a white guy was sold. We got to shout him out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, for sure, he need to start cussing. Joe, you
need to start cussing, But you're gonna get all of him.
You start cussing. He don't cuss.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
He doesn't cuss. Hell, Now, good for him. That's a
tough thing to pull off from me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You don't, cause I ain't never heard Joe said cuse I.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Mean my kids school letting fucks fly. And my wife
looks at me like, are you fucking And I'm like, dude,
my bad living fly for that's why you shouldn't bring
me to this ship.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know what I'm saying telling me, But nah, we
got some great features.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What was the last one that you said? There was
something at the finish line? What was what? Ari?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That was the last one? That was That was the
last one that she had sent me the idea through
a text and I was like, man, cut that. I
want to put it on my album, and she cut
it and sent it to me. I did that verse
at the same day. I sent it to k the
Ky engineer. He mixed the whole album. I sent it
to Ky he mixed it up. That was the last one,
and before that it was it was tie. Yeah. I
(17:32):
had flew to La during what.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Was the BT sounds about right June.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I seen him in I had seen him in
that one club with Sean Baron and Leon Thomas, and
I text Sean it's like, hey, set up a session.
You know what I'm saying. I'm in time trying to
finish the album. And we put him on TI ship
and I did that early morning. He noted his verse
out like every feature was like clutch.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But so you and Ari were texting. She's like, yeah,
I got this idea and You're like, yeah, I need that.
I need it because she wrote the song. It was
called Floating.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I was like, ship per you already know.
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to the podcast. Are you pretty like, uh, you know
accessible when it comes to like maybe for artists wanted
(19:07):
the verse from you and they're dope, like.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I wouldnt tay, I wouldn't say too accessible, But
if I fuck with it, I'm gonna find it. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I don't really if somebody
send me some ship like hop on this, they gotta
be just the cold of song.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But take set up someone to say you meet meet
somebody at an afterparty and they're like.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I actually did that. I I I met somebody
at a gun range. I'll be at the gun range
all the time, ship, and I'm gonna tell you crazy
as story. So you know I was. I was going
to gun range like four five times a week, and
there was this dude in there. You know, he say
he was cousins with the artists from Atlanta that I'm
real cool with. You know what I say, everybody wrap
in the city. Of course, you know what I'm saying.
So he was like, yeah, man, you gotta hear my ship.
And I was like, yo, i'mna fuck with you. I'm
(19:42):
gonna tap in. So after like two weeks of him
saying that ship, I was just in a mood to
hear the ship today. I was like, bro, just send
it since my email so you know what I'm saying.
Me and my security leaving the gun range, I get
in the car, I just play it and we like
getting the but I got doors open. I'm just playing
a lot out and this ship came on. I was like, boy,
(20:03):
this ship hardest fuck is that? Rolling and rolling and
rolling and rolling. This ship was so all right. I
went back in the gun range, like, hey, where he at?
You know what I'm saying? Where you at? But he
was about to get off. I had to go find him.
I said, I'm gonna do your verse a night, bro,
and he was like, you for real? I did the verse.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
He charged him.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I ain't charged him nothing, that's do. And he tried
the project. He was probably he was about to try
to put the song on the project. I said, don't
put it on the project yet, just save it, do
it right, and then put it out. But there's the
song so hard, this project hard. His name tight shout
out Tighten man.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's fire.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You never know, You never know. There's a lot of
talents in, you know, saying motherfuckers out here. You just
got to take the time and just whatever you like
is what you like.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
But I met an artist who was a waiter at
outback See and then I ended up signing him. That's hard,
And then I ended up selling his record deal to
Matt Cook from Ethica, who ended up signing him.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, he got something, he was fire, he was he
got some right, But you just never know, never know,
brocause pay for my whole bill.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
He's like he was our waiter and then he's like, oh,
by the way, I took care of your bill, and
I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah? Yeah, it's like
I'm an upcoming artist. When you was you know, when
you were in Saint Pete, h I used to listen
to you. I was like, sem me your link, bro,
you bought me dinner being my family dinner. It's like
six of us.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, you know what he was doing. That's a good little.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Let's strategic play right there, one hundred percent. Man, who
in your opinion in Atlanta right now? Because I do
feel like Atlanta is you know j I D just
dropped offset album, just dropped, you just dropped? Who are
you paying attention to?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Just kind of on the younger side of things in
the city.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
On the younger side in the city right now. You know,
I'm gonna always do home team artists called a little
crank from my side of town.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, tough might be the most Atlantic name of all time,
Little crank for sure. Yeah, what do you listening to
right now? Like, just in general albums, it's been dropping
that you've been bump to.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
See what I got right now? Man, I'm always bumping.
I got some little shimmy here. I got some Newty,
I got some cash cot Bang, I got.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's a little shit.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I got me. I got a Metro new I got
the Money, I got Sniper, I got kodak.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yo the Metro album I love. I don't know what
like like, I don't understand what the disconnect is from
people loving this album. Disconnect Young DROs On there wrapping
his fucking.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Disconnected is if you wasn't part of that era in
the city, you're not gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I just don't. I like, got on a plane the
night had dropped out of a Red Eye and I
downloaded the whole tape and I was on the plane
and I was like, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is like it's like it's like that old Atlanta.
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salute to them. Let's get back to the interview. There's
so many artists that are from that era that like,
you know, I just always wonder, like what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
By business?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know what I'm saying, Business, Like what happened to
Like the shop Boys party hard. You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Cry Boys Hard, they still be around. I'll be saying them,
I see you know what I'm saying, You still see
everybody in the city. You know what I'm saying. Some
of them ain't groups no more. Someone went solo, you
know what I'm saying, Like the Travis.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Porter was so massive, Like they have so many big.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Bucket They got a lot of big ones. I still
quiz all of my dogs, like I see them. I
think they're on that album there going crazy. They got
some schooling on there. Everybody on there. Ship the whole
city on that, not the whole city, but the majority
of the city on the walk on there. Yeah, Rosco
on the whole there. Yeah, I hold Atlanta. I love
trying to Metro for doing that. Try to spins.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Missing the Young l A feature though he on there?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I missed that's on there here on one of them,
I don't know. And I did you see how like?
And and I just got like and I.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Turned them up and I put the money in there.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Spend the block. Did you see? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It did. I forgot how it went.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Viraul, I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Actually I do know shout Nart and b Nar and
b you know what I'm saying. They was working with
uh uh l a. Who else was in there? Uh
Young Ralph? They were They were just you know, I'm saying,
putting content out every day with l A l A
Alley boys. They were just they just had the content, man, Yeah,
(24:59):
they had the content going. I think it just cracked over.
I think the algorithm just cracked over and just ain't
I just caught a whole another wave and you know,
turned them back up. Shout out to that. I like that.
Shout out to beating my brothers.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You're somebody who worked with like the Maribas of the
world pretty early, Maribas, Mariba the singer.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh Mariva, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Whole crew out of Atlanta, the Spirit Village Crew. J
I d It's black, It's Mariba Earth Gang, all these guys. Yeah,
how dope? Is it kind of been to just see
that movement like it's been.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's been. It's been cool to see because Atlanta got
so many damn flavors and so many goddamn lanes that
anybody can shine in their own right. Like with Mariva.
We go back from a cons in the same writing camp.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know what I'm saying. This is back when before
I got signed, before I had anything going on, we
used to all right together and you know, con used
to take us to Orlando and in two weeks chefs
writing camp students. That's a time lucky. They used to
be there. Asian. I don't know if you know Asia,
but she spelled it kind of different. There's a lot
(26:04):
of folks that's in the game still. That was a
part of that. Sorry the kid.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He's fire man. Yeah, got a whole podcast. Shot.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, he got, he got, he got. He was just
with us last night that the club, your club with
us was he was outside almost fluent for it. Man,
he should have the show was crazy. That the show.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Unlike you, I'm not capable of waking up and being
in LA the next day.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We gotta do it. Yeah, I got the glass and.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Then I was supposed to do j I D after you,
and then j I D is rescheduled the next week.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, Jed my dog. When I first mate Jed, we
was hooping with fairly failing them and Jed came in
the gym with a patron bottle. Then he who drunk hell.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
On the sideline just drink and watch.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
At first I made shot je man. Proud of you, bro?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Are you good at basketball?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like how good?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Though?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like did you play?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah? I play. That was basketball before I was music. Like, uh,
I didn't play college ball. I brought my ankle twelfth grade, damn.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
In some of the league.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, and that kind of.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's kind of crazy because like my son plays at
AAU and I feel like these kids play so much basketball.
By the time they get to wherever they're going, uh huh,
they burned out. Well it's like China. It's you know,
it's like I feel like, you know, like you see
all these like dudes getting injured now by getting because
they've been fucking playing they were eleven years old.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's true. It depends on how.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Crazy basketball it used to be. Like you you make
your middle school team, uh huh, and then it was over,
uh huh. And then you'd be like, I'm a try
out freshman year.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now it's like, ayo, you're eleven, I'm gonna put you
with the.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Team needs to be out of there about eighteen nineteen.
But nah, it's a whole different game. Man. It's ship
I don't demo tapped in to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But now now that you're fully indy, are you already like,
I mean, you could drop on you want so this album.
You obviously put a lot of effort into this album.
You're touring it, but are you like, like, are you
able to kind of like are you playing out the
next twelve months? You already have the next album figured out?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, I got I got a lot of music, bro,
you know what I'm saying, ain't not just the craft
of music can put it all together. I stay in
the studio, of course, I got to stay in the studio.
But I want to take a different approach next year.
I want to go just just more on the brand, inside, lifestyle,
just front end side of it. You know, I be
in the studio twenty four seven. I put my heart
and soul into the projects. It's like, Okay, I want
to take a different approach. Still stay in the studio. Still,
(28:18):
you know what I'm saying, shop, I goddamn sword, but
just be on the front end of it a little more,
you know what I'm saying. Like, like we were talking
about earlier, just not letting these records be bigger than me.
I'm trying to be bigger than I'm trying to the brand.
Just push it out there even further. So that's my plan.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What about Uh do you do writing for other artists? U? Nah?
Like what You've never written this? I've written and been like, man,
I can't see this.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I got a lot of shit like that.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I know someone who can.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I just don't like writing. I just seen a
clip pop up on my tip took the other day
when I said some shit like this. It was just
I don't want to be in no studio session with
a thousand riders trying to get a placement for Beyonce Rihanna.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well you're definitely beyond that, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Exactly, but still I got I got an r that
be calling me like camp, you come in and get
the writers camp. Like, bro, I'm not doing that ship.
You know what I'm saying. Compound in your room. I
love writing camps and ship, but it's ours. It was
mine and my my team is bringing your people and
bringing my people and were working on this up.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You tell me what you're looking for and then I'll
handle it on my send you some options.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But like, if I'm not in the studio with beyond
s and all these big artists like one on one
and we're working, I don't want to do that ship, right,
I don't do that ship. I'm past that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I feel like the producer game is the same way.
I'll be telling these like these producers, I'm like, man,
don't chase placements, find the artists.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Find artist and attached to them and grow with them
and give them their sound, give they sound. That's what
I'm doing next. No I produced too. I produce like
five six on the album Fire. I produce my last
thing I produce spend the Block. I've been on a
whole different level when it comes to this music. What
are you using your NPC? Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So you're on the.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Playing It was tedious at first, but that'sh it fun.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just love just you ever take the there's like
the portable one that you can trymall the one.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I need it, matter of fact, I might in it.
I got the rail one the live too, but it's
a smaller one though I didn't get the.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Small one that my guy books, the Beast too. He
did Bodies but offset Jad. He's produced everything Kanye fucking
these guy's, but he records everything on this tiny little Yeah,
Chicago legend books.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Sim me that send that if you get the.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Literally he's like yeah yeah, He's like, no, I don't
think you understand I any beat I play you no
matter who it is. I bring in this little machine
and we plugging in played off this machine.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Man Simmony the Link. I might go buy this ship now.
Because I'm tired of caring. My big is NBC. That
nigga JD be caring around his NBC like it's a
motherfucker cell phone.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I mean yeah man, in old school MP season.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's big man, I hate caring. Run that big box small.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's heavy for sure, but right with the new album
is out, go get a kiss six uh and you
got what twenty four more dates that you're performing tonight?
L A region?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, we had the region sold out. Shout to LA. Man.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What do you say like when you look at your
back end on the streaming sites outside of Atlanta, what's
like the most biggest city, the biggest and then what's
your most surprised big market?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I feel like after Atlanta, it's like Chicago, Milwaukee, the
whole Texas, LA up.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
There is there a place where you're like, yo, I
can't believe I have this many fans out there.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It beat them small ass markets, but I didn't beat
up them market for so many years, so I ain't surprised.
Like the damn Sioux Falls and ship like that and
Lincoln's and shit like that. You know, Nebraska, you feel
me like them type of markets. But when I was
torn When I first started, Torn were doing the C
and B markets, right, We did all C and B.
Just that's like a presidential campaign. You know, when the
motherfuckers trying to be president, they gonna do all the markets.
(31:46):
And when it's time to come to the big ones,
everybody gonna come to the big ones.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
There it is. Go out by yourself a concert ticket,
Appreciate your brother six right now, boom,
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