#591 - King Iso talks Sobriety, Signing with Strange Music, Past Struggles, Nebraska, New Album & More

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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Brother, finally making it on the show. How you doing, man?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Man? Good, blessed? How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You must feel good?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Omaha is winning this week?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Starting Bud Crawford my guy? Yeah, yeah, hell yeah did that?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's crazy too because like the you know, I was
talking like because a couple with all the weight moving
up and shit like it felt like it was gonna
be a Canelo fight. It felt like but I mean, damn,
I don't know man that was.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
But is like that man, and he's he's always fucked
bigger guys. You know, I'm saying, like spar bigger guys,
you know, and uh, you know, if you're from the
city and you know him. You just you just know
he's like that. You know, I'm not going to say
that I just knew that it was going to be
like that, but I for sure it was like.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think, I think, but I got this for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
What is like? Because obviously, like Omaha is a place
that I feel like it's kind of underrated in terms
of like this. Yeah, you know, I got a lot
of homies who ended up in Arizona from Omaha. It's
it's kind of like I mean, you know, in terms
of like national identity, it's the college and it's Aaron
Crawford and hip hop. It's really you.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Know, yes, sir, yes, sir?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
What is what is like? Kind of growing up in Omaha?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like, man, I've always I've always called it the melting pot.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
It's just it's just a mixture of so many different
people from so many different places, you know what I mean.
A bunch of people from California out there, a bunch
of people from uh, you know, the East Coast out there,
a bunch of it's like you know what I mean,
like you always end up seeing somebody that's from some
different area out there, and uh and I think that
that works in our favors as far as like, especially

(03:07):
like with the music scene, because we were just able
to get so many different influences, you know what I mean.
Like it wasn't just like it was like Midwest Midwest, yes,
yea yeah, but like I grew up listening to you know,
uh like my step Pops. He would have ice Cube
cassette tapes, then you have a Bone Thugs CD, then

(03:30):
would listening to E forty then some nas. It's like
it's you know what I mean. So it wasn't like
it was just one thing, you know what I mean.
So I was like, I feel like that played in
my favor, especially with a starting to get into hip
hop and stuff myself.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I just listened to everything.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Who was like the big artist out of Omaha? Like
was there anybody who kind of made it or was
like on the come up like that you like when
you were coming up?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Uh, not necessary, I would not necessarily there were there
were some people that just made noise locally, but there
was we didn't have any like breakout artists, you know
what I mean. That like just like really really really
took off from Mam Hall, right, So it was there
was definitely a challenge for sure.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
How do you end up because you've been with Strange
for a minute, now what ended up? You know, having
you get on their radar, Travis Tech, all those guys
like what.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Was the Yeah, it was uh it was it was
my boy twisted insane. Yeah, shout out to my brother man.
We were we were on the road and making a
lot of noise, you know, on the internet realm, you
know what I mean. And we ended up on this
tour and Tech just popped out to one of the
Kansas City show that we had surprised the funk out

(04:37):
of me, and he was like, I've been hearing a
lot about you, people saying you the new Tech nine.
That's what he kept saying verbatim. He's like, you do
new Tech nine. I had to come see what's all about.
You got too much talent. And this is before I
go on stage. I'm like, oh, ship, like number one.
I don't expect Tech nine to be in this little
hole in the wall that we were doing this show
in and I'm talking about he got there like literally

(04:58):
like three minutes before I went on You like, I'm
here to see you.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm about to watch your whole show set.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I got show.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, I
can't fuck up nothing.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
So uh, the whole time I'm doing my doing my show,
He's standing like off to the side of the stage
just like this, just watching.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
The whole whole entire time. He just vibing.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
And after that we exchanged information and then he invited
me out to his mansion to kick it and was like, yeah,
let's just start connecting.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
We spend a lot of time together just you know,
just functioning those mummy shit before it turned into him
saying like, I finally got a song for you, and
that song turned into uh a song that was on
a UFC three soundtrack, you know what I mean. I
was like, damn you getting me checks from you a
sports now? Okay, right, and then he offered me to
go on this tour with him. We went on this tour,

(05:47):
whooped ass on the tour and uh, I want to
say six seven months after that, him and Trav called me, Wow,
what you're trying to do?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's were you like? Did you come up like listening
to tech obviously being in Fields by.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Man, Hell yeah, yeah, A lot of a lot of
Tech nine, a lot of Do or Die, Twister, Bone Thugs.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy too because I feel like that's
a big look. But then like fast forward, when you
cut the record that ends up being the song the
rockets on. Yeah, did you know the rock like was
your verse recorded first or did you already know the
rock was on it when you decided to cut your verse?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Like what? Na?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
So he had he told me he had this song
idea and he was like, I'm gonna call it face
off boom boom bam. And I'm just thinking like, oh,
this is just another Tech nine records, so we're just
gonna knock the song out. So once I send my
verse in, he called me.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
He like, I got an idea.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
He was like, and I don't know if it's gonna work.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
And I'm like, what you mean, Like I want to
I want the rock to I just want to have
the rock like talk some ship on the back end
of the song, just like talk on it. I don't
know if he'll do it, because he's doing I think
he was in the middle of Black Adam or something
like that around that time, and uh, he was like,
I'll see what he got going on and next thing,
you know, Like I was like, I was like, what's

(07:05):
that sa you know. I was like, I think you
could pull it off. I said, the Rock fuck with
you man. He was like, I don't know if he'll
do I said, he fuck with you, He'll do I
feel like he'll do it.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
He always he's always posting it.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
He loves you know what I'm Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
So hit me back like probably like a week later
and was like he said, he said funk that I
want to rap on it. I was like, oh, ship,
you know what I mean. So then that turned in
it like that like he like that was not the
original plan was to have the Rock rapping on the
tail end of the song.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So then they started connecting.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
And then when we heard the verse, when it was
all said and done, I was like, Oh, this is
about to turn into something for sure. And then he
ended up making it a part of his rollout campaign
for his clothing line for Project Rock, and this was
I was like, this is about to be some ship.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So when we shot the video, I.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Was like, and there's the video, Like it's one thing
to get the Rock to do a song, to get
him to do a video.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, I think I think when they flew out to
where he was at, he was he had to step
off the movie and knocked that out in like twenty
thirty minutes, like they boom boom, And I think they
said the shirt that they bought for him was so
it wasn't big enough, so he had to like rip
it and that's what he ended up wearing.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Checked out.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, this is
I was like, this is dope as fuck, man, And
the support that he that he offered the song is
what really took it over the top.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
This is one thing to like do this through the record,
but it's like to get the biggest movie start of
the world to push something.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
And posting it and tagging us and you know, go
live with us on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
He's a stand up dude.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Definitely, like like he hit me on the side note
after the fact and he was like, he was like, man,
I love your message and your music about mental health.
He was like, He's like I've been tapped in. He
was like, I've seen you got some kids. What's what
size clothes or they wear? And I'm thinking, like me
sending a couple of shirts some shit like that. Man,
When outside one day. It was like ten big ass

(08:53):
project rock boxes.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I'm talking abot.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I couldn't even open my door. I had to go
out the garage and get it. Shoes, old wardrobe he.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Sent my kids.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's fire. That's a big shout out to the rock Yeah,
real shit, have you guys got to meet face to face?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Shit?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Not yet?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah one day. Hell yeah, you gotta get them on
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Speaker 3 (09:08):
Now that that would be dope.

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into like taking music series.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'd say probably like in the early two thousands. I got,
I got, I got a big bro name or Snake
Luchi is his artist name. He was doing some time
upstate and he he just called me. He would call
me and he was just like, I'm trying to do
this rap thing and he would spit versus and shiit
to me. I'm like, damn, this is this is actually dope.
So when he touched down, he had took me to
a studio with him, and I was like, I'm gonna

(11:14):
try this shit. I'm take a stab at. It's probably
like two thousand and one, two thousand and two something
like that. He's on your album yep, yep, shout out
Snake with you yep. And yeah, like he showed me
how to count bars and you know, show me that,
you know, the structure and measures and stuff like that
and metaphors and all of that. But you know, I was,
you know, I've always been an avid hip hop listener,
so I picked up pretty quick. Yeah, Like, that's how

(11:35):
I used to learn songs. There was no website to
go find lyrics. I used to write them down on
the sheet of paper. And I'm like, and that's how
I would learn songs. So I'm like already know that.
I'm already seeing the structure and the science behind it.
So then, yeah, we just started doing records like that.
And I put out my first ever album in seven
and ironically enough, on a couple of years before that

(11:58):
is when I did meet Tech.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It was like five, it's like fifteen or something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's a different Tech nine and oh fire, yeah, every
ready Tech, it's a wild guy.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah. I wasn't even I wasn't even supposed to be
in the show.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I remember I went to the show and his
agent at the time that got me in the show,
and uh, they almost didn't let me in. I think
it was like a twenty one and up event, and
I remember watching them on stage. I was like, I
ain't never seen no shit like this before in my life.
I was like, I want, I want to do this.
This is the type of shit I want to do.
It was a party, man, you know what I'm saying.
And I was like, this is still Tech on his

(12:31):
you know, his his upright for sure?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
It was like a five hundred cap fire hundred cap
venue and it was just turned the fuck up, and
I'm like, Okay, went back there and I met him,
and we got a picture of that moment too, which
is crazy to think because like, what ten eleven years
after that, he's coming to my show and that's you know,
put me on his label.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's big man. So at what point, because for people
who don't know, you have a tattoo on your face
that says sobriety as your superpower. Yes, So did you
have an addiction issue? And at what point in time?
Because I feel like that's one thing that's like the
hardest thing to kind of get wrangled.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, man, Yeah, I battled a drug addiction and alcohol
addiction for a while. It's been better over the obviously
over the course of me getting my deal and moving
around and having to really really clean up my health
and stuff like that, I really started going to the
gym a lot, you know, just really just you know,
I was destroying myself, man.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know what, what were you like, drugs a choice?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Man?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I was doing everything. Yeah, I was mixing the mastering
a lot. You know, I was like, you know, hella opioids,
you know what I'm saying, man.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah. But then it also it also didn't help that,
you know, being in psychiatric wards where like yes, and
that was.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I was a part of my release, like, if you
don't take this ship, then you're gonna come back and
come back. I was already yeah, I was already already
had access to a lot of the ship that they
were I was hearing people rap about sh I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Got a prescription.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm like, I got this, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
So I'm like, oh, this is about to work in
my favorite you know what I'm saying. But over the
course of time, I'm like, I am destroying myself.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
And once I got a once I started moving around
with tech, I would say the tours were insane. We're
pretty fucking dope. But then when I got on the
road with tech man and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh this is serious. You really have to be able
to manage your well.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, you you come in on the label, like when
things are cleaned up, there's the rule book.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, tex text sober, Yeah, thank.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
God, Yeah, who knows whatever, you know what I'm sayure,
But being out there on that road, man, I learned
really really quick. I'm like, man, if you don't have
self control and this ship.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Especially on the road, man, because you got fans, whill
bring you ship everything.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I didn't have to ask for nothing. It just falls
in my lap. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
anything I could ask for or even possibly wonder if
I could get access to, somebody's gonna bring.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
It to me without you even asking. But you know what,
that's what I'm.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Saying, Like you just hey, I got this, I got
to meet me out by the bus. They just shower
you with gifts and you're like, oh shit, you know,
and I'm like, man, I see why a lot of
people end up fucked up, you know, and they you
know that that road gets hard to do, and you
missing your family life at home, your kids and stuff
like that, and uh, you know, you might be going
you know, it's always some shit that happened back at

(15:23):
the home front when you're on the road. And some
people just self medicated. I was a self medicator, Like motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, And it's like you kind of probably feel helpless
because you're on the road. You can't go like what's
going on at home? And then I can really do
about it.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
But I gotta I gotta you know, I'm out here
chasing this dream. I gotta gotta take care of paying
the bills. Yes, you feel me and uh so, you
know you'll see some of the hommies arguing with baby
mamas in the back of the bus or you know,
you know, we all just have the moments, you know,
and the next thing you know, you had to show
and somebody's offering you drink.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
You like, fuck it.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
I might get drunk as fuck, right, get high as fuck.
I might gonna do a little bit of this. I
might pop this snort that, whatever the fucking case may be,
in fifty sixty days of this ship, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
And beat your body up even just drinking.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Like man, I like, recently I realized how how cooked
I am because I had a fucking like I went
to a Clips concert in Arizona, shut Out Clips, and
I had a talk can like a of a seltzer,
a heart like a white claw.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's all I drank.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I woke up the next day and I felt like
I got I felt like I got fucked up the
night before.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I was like, yeah, man, what the fuck is man?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I've turned this corner of age where I really can't
drink and not.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Feel like absolute horseshit, and how it affect my entire
next day yep.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Back in the day, it was get back up. Just
drink some like a couple of coffee. Yeah, drink some
more to feel better. It's nothing. Eat some cold ass
Popeye's chicken that was left out, and we on the
road again.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know for sure now you've had you mentioned it
a little bit earlier. You know, you're very transparent with
your music in terms of, like, you know, just the
mental health advocacy and the things that you've been through. Yes, sir,
you have been in, like you said, psychhored earlier, had
suicide attempts. Take me through that journey of like your

(17:12):
low points in life and what happened and how those
obviously it's it's you know, to go from that to
being a successful artist. You know, it's not an easy journey.
So so what will take me to the loads of life?
Like what was going on back then?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Man?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Like there was a lot of just uh, I'll say first,
I didn't know what accountability was for sure, and I
learned that, you know, going through a lot of shit.
You know, a lot of wild ass trauma as a child,
which obviously I feel like a lot of us do,
and it gets normalized, which I feel like is bullshit.
But going through a lot of the stuff that I

(17:48):
went through, I started to destroy alloted to destroy myself,
you know what I mean, Like, all right, you're depressed
and you don't want to acknowledge this, or you have
an addiction and you don't want to knowledge that you have.
You need to go to therapy, you need to talk
to somebody, your your manic. You got all of these
things going on, and you just feel like you can

(18:09):
just take on take it on yourself, you know what
I mean. And it ended up landing me in psychiatric wards,
like back to back to back to back to back.
It was I was I was a ping pong in
between psychiatric wards and incarceration. So once I got to
like like very very very rock bottom where it was
like everything I got a I got petitioned and put
under the border mental health to where it was like

(18:31):
there is no you checking out of this situation until
we feel like I knew it was real. I had
to sit in front of like six there's like six
judges or some shit like that, and I was like,
I got a fucking public defender at the mental hospital.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
The fuck going on?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
But yeah, like all but jail.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, you're not going in shackles and cuffs.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
And I'm telling them, I'm saying and I'm not a
threat to myself for society, and they're like, yeah, it
sounds good, but no, you know what I mean, like,
you will remain here until we feel like you are
fit to go back out in society, and when you
do get released, you have to have these certain conditions.
And I was like, damn, this is fucked up. I'm like,

(19:06):
this ain't even like no legal shit, this is just
like then motherfucker's saying I'm crazy and I can't. I
can't do anything. I can't get outside or anything. So
I just was like, all right, this is my fault.
I was like, I can't.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I was one of the motherfuckers. Man. I was like,
motherfuckers did me like this?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And of course you blame it everybody else but yourself.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
And I understand because shit does happen to us. You know,
they say life is nine or what ten percent of
what happens to you a ninety percent how you react
to it, yea.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I wholeheartedly believe that.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
So like all of the shit that was happening to me,
I'm like, damn, man, like I'm this way because this
shit happened to me. These motherfuckers did this to me.
And but my response is my response is getting you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, you have control of how you respond to that
trauma or all that shit you that's what you can control.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yep. And I had to learn that because I'm like,
you don't give a fuck. People got me fucked.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Up, and it's like when you're sitting there, you know,
on A twenty three and one and you fucked up,
and it's like, who do you have? Nobody's picking up
the phone. I don't have my freedom, you know, they
forcing me to take pills. I got to deal with
this case. After I get out of here for some
bullshit then bounce back here. I'm like, I'm never going
to get out of this cycle. So I was like,
let me just do the self work. I really had
to do the self work. Let me go to this

(20:17):
group therapy shit, Let me talk to the psychiatrist. Let
me really try to articulate and find out exactly what
I'm dealing with in order to get my life back
on track. And when I do get all of this
shit dealt with, I plan on never coming back to
this motherfucker again.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm sayna say for you was the prison experience or
the mental ward what what?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Those are different experiences?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Obviously, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I didn't do any didn't do any time upstate I was.
I was there for like holding and processing. I don't
know why the fuck they did that, and they moved
me back to County. I think it was because of
like I had like a like a like a mild
heart attack and they moved me.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
How long were you in County like a year? How
would you like the jail ship.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Compared to as a cakewalk.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Do you think the jail ship was easier than yes, yes, yeah, yeah,
because you probably are literally in there with crazy people, right, And.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I understand it because there's some crazy motherfuckers in County too,
you know, but they you know, they'll be moved to
like you know, suicide watchers, you know. But like, yeah, man,
it's it's tough because not only not only are you
dealing with what you're dealing with, but it's like you
don't really get any sleep in there. People are screaming

(21:33):
their fucking lungs out, do you know what I mean?
There's people in there attempting their own lives. It's like
it's it's like it's really real. And I think what
it did for me is I'm like, you know what,
maybe I'm not as fucked up as I think I am.
When I'm hearing these other people's stories and watching what
they're going through, I'm like, let me, let me get
myself together, you know, because it's like like I was,
like the ship.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
In the movies.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'm like, it's really like that people are really I
learned a lot about not only myself, but what other
people are going through. So I give people that are
consideration just in everyday life, right like, damn, okay, let me.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I don't know what this person's going through. You just
never know.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You already know.

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to the podcast. What were the circumstances that led you
to like essentially not being able to leave like like

(23:15):
and going into the like was it?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Uh, well, one of the situations I broke I broke
out of one. I broke out of one, which was crazy.
I didn't I don't know how the fuck I pulled
it off. Broke out of one mental hospital and they
had like this little recreation place.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Where we'd go outside and they do their little thing.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
But they had this fence and I was I was like,
I could I could make it over this fence. I
was like I know. I was like, I know, I
can make it over this fence. And one day we
had lunch and where the dude would push the cart
down the hallway. I was like, if I could just
get down that hallway without nobody seeing me, you have
to he pushes this cart, I follow wherever he goes.

(23:55):
I can find an exit and get to this this
open yard and I could jump this fence.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
And that'sactly how I did it. And they didn't catch me.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
So by the time they did catch up to me,
I was in the stolen I was in the stolen whip.
They didn't catch me in the car, but they ended
up finding the car with my belongings in it. This, yeah,
this is how you stole the car. Or yeah, you
get out and you just yeah, yep, stole me a car.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was. I was living out the car for a
little bit. I was, I was all over the place.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And this is how this is like where the petition
really really came in because when I read my petition,
I was like, oh, everybody think I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know. They let you read it like.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
He's a he's a danger to himself, he's a danger
to others.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
He needs help.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Did you hot wire the car? Did you like take it?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
No, they just took it.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Like g t A took it.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
No no o the car. No no no no no
no no no no no no no.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
They just they were slipping, you know what I mean,
you know, like keys, you know, like all right, like
starved me on the platter, like, oh yeah, I'm taking that.
But once I ended up there, uh once, once the
ended up catching up with me and they were like, Okay,
we're gonna put you in a way more secure place, right,

(25:08):
you know what I mean, way more locked down place.
Then I had the petition and then I had to
go to court in there for that, and then once
I finally got done with all of that, and I
was like I did all of the work.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I'm cool.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
I'm ready to transition back into society. I wasn't even
thinking about the stolen car. So I'm walking out like
with my shit, and they're like by the way, yeah,
by the way, two sheriffs waiting out there, and they're like,
let's go so then for.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
The car yep, Jesus, at what point in time is
this in the middle of you trying to make it
as an artist or yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh fuck yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
So you know, but you know, at the end of
the day, it's like, you know, I had to I
had to realize the role I played in my own suffering.
I was doing a whole bunch of shit that I
shouldn't have been doing and just angry at the world.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
What was the tipping point for you where you realize, like,
all right, this was it? That time you said that
like you they wouldn't let you out, Like what was it?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
That was definitely the tipping point.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
But I would definitely I would definitely say that was
really like I was like, Okay, when I get out
of this ship and everything is done with, I'm never
fucking looking back. But as soon as I got out,
I decided to get this this this lady pregnant man
like you from you know, I ain't gonna push you
in a while, you know, you know, I'm jumped head
first and I'm like, damn, I done created a.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Whole a whole human Yeah yeah, So I'm like, and
now you're responsible for that.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I'm like Okay, I really can't be on no bullshit now,
and I think, no, I don't think, I know that's
exactly what changed it. Becoming a father is what really
really saved me.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I think I think, you know, Jelly Roylways says that,
like that's when he kind of he was locked up
while his baby was you.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Know, yeah, Jelly roll, Sure that's real. Ship.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
So this new album, man, you got forties the record
Forties Going Crazy talk about Ghetto Psycho.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, man, it was inspired by it was it
was a playoff for the movie American Psycle obviously, like
even like with the imagery and.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Shit like that, but classic.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, what I really wanted to do was I really
wanted to create a body of work that touched on
what makes you know, quote unquote ghetto psychos, you know
what I mean. And there's different variations of what you
can call a ghetto, you know, in my particular instance,
there would definitely be the hood, you know what I mean.
And we go through a lot of these things that

(27:26):
go unaddressed, undealt with, and normalized. And I feel like
a lot of us have a lot of crazy shit
that we just haven't dealt with and That's how the
idea of Ghetto Psycho was born. So I really wanted
to just create a body of work that.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Explained that you you have don Trip and star Leader
on the album. They got one of my favorite Steps.
They were one of my favorite albums of the year.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, Step Brothers.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Dues are going crazy right now, my guys. We'll talk
about working with those guys. Was that like a single
session or was that like a separate thing.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
No. I was like, it was a separate thing, man.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
And obviously they live in different cities, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I just I've been a big fan of both of
them for a while and everybody had been telling me, like, man,
you need to get some ship with them, and I'm like, man,
I really want to.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I really want to do it, man.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And I felt like they're very, very very very introspective
with their lyrics, right, and I'm like, these these two
are perfect for this, for this particular project. So, uh,
Logan Garrett is a is a cat that that manages
both of them. And we started chopping up and I
was like, hey, you know, I want to get them

(28:30):
to on the record, and they blessed the record and
they did it, you know, and man, they whooped ass
for sure.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so I appreciate
them both.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
And Nay ended up coming to the city and doing
the show not that long ago, so we actually got
to like formerly meet.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, you know, solid too, super solid. Talk to me
because I feel like Travis has done a little bit
more interviews recently. He kind of always was like I
feel like when I first got hipped to Strange, you
would always kind of see Travis standing on tech like
and a lot of people thought he was like security.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
And he kind of was to be fair back in
the day.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
But you know, fast forward, I feel like, you know,
Travis's business acumen is like a lot more recognized and
you know, kind of being the guy behind the guy,
if that makes sense. Yeah, you have the song that
you dropped called Travis Ogwynn. What is something about Travis
that you feel like is misunderstood or something like how

(29:27):
is Travis's Because I feel like he's obviously a great
example for a lot. I mean, he's a businessman, dude,
a hustler, visionary. How key and integral has he been
for you? And just like give us something about Travis
and maybe people don't understand or.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Travis is a Travis is very very interesting man, and
there was something about him that I just was like,
a super a super respect the fact that you move
like this, but I was like, I wish that you
would set the record straight on a lot of shit.
That's what I would tell him. He was like, man,

(30:02):
his philosophy was. He was like, there's a lot of
shit out there people are saying about me.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
He was like, if they know the truth, I know
the truth. I don't. I don't need to say anything.
I don't give a fuck. I used to.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I used to get on there and be back and
forth in the comments. She was like, I don't give
a fuck. Man, I don't care because I know. But
I'm like I was like Trav, I said, man, if
you just if you would just pop out one time
and just set the record straight on So but I
thought it was I thought it was pretty g I
was like me, I'm like, I'm not gonna let you
know what I mean. I've always been that type of person,
like somebody just you know, somebody's be in some type

(30:32):
of way and I need to address something, then I'm
just gonna address it. I'm not gonna let you run
with that fucking narrative and you know what I mean,
and really and.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Live like, you know what I mean, pushing that shit.
I'm like, nah, fuck that trap.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Like if they said this, because I would always ask
him like hey I heard this, like what's up with this?
He'd be like, nah, this is what happened and they
know this and you know, and he got and he
got receipts. So I'm like, trave like people people looking
at you like you the bad guy a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
But the crazy thing is is what birth the idea
of the song I did? I was like I started
going through the same type of shit where I was like,
you know what, I can't address everything, you know what
I mean. If that's the case, we'll be fighting the
whole fucking world.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, you're gonna have so much energy.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I feel like sometimes you know, like you catch yourself
applying to comments and shit, You're like, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I had to stop that shit. Yeah, I had to
stop that shit.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Like I used to really be on that, you know
what I mean, And I was like, oh, this is
what he was talking about, you know what. He's just like, man, fuck,
what the fuck what they talking about. Just for peace
of mind, let me just just keep moving and just
focus on the positivity. I don't know why our brains
are wired like that. We see that one comment with
zero in on the motherfucker real quick, but there's something
I do respect about him, you know what I mean.

(31:41):
I'm like, there's a lot of shit that motherfuckers are
saying that they probably have no idea what they're talking
about about you, and you just like, man, fuck them.

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a fan base that is like super loyal. Yeah, like
what was that? Like, what did you just like when
that became an official thing? Did you just see like

(33:36):
the flip switch and like you just like you you're
like opened up to this world of loyal motherfuckers who
will buy the shirt come out.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah. The dope.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
The dope thing about it is is that when I
was running around with Twisted Insane, Twisted Insane was already
getting that type of embrace.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Because he was on Worldwide Choppers, right, yes.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, yep, he was already getting that type of embrace
from his fan base, which is the brain YACs.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know. So when we would do shows, there was
hell of.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Technicians and brainiacs in the crowd, and everybody thought that.
And Sam was getting ready to go to Strange. You
know what I'm saying, They just they just they really
wanted that. So I was like, this is dope, man,
you know what I mean, Like these motherfuckers buying CDs
and shirts and they're like they're really really diehard supporters.
But getting on that Tech nine stage was different because

(34:20):
it's like we're not doing two three hundred motherfuckers, you
know what I mean, at the most anymore. Like the
first I think the first couple of shows I did
with Tech on that tour, the Planet Tour, we went
on like five thousand motherfuckers in the crowd, and I
was like, oh shit, So there's so many people that
don't know who I am, you know what I mean.
Some people are just they're they're specifically for Tech. Don't

(34:43):
even fuck about the openers, right, So and essentially it's
like you got to really get up there and do
that shit and convert them to be like, oh, this
motherfucker's dope. Tech can't just say so, you know what
I mean. I feel like that, like Tech can say so,
but it's like when it comes when it comes to
them shows, Tech is.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
He's just like he's like I personally thinking hip hop,
He's the best.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, Like like there's nobody doing that ship like him.
So it's like, all right, you want to you want
to come over here and get and get what I'm
getting down with, you better bring it, you know, no
rapping over your vocals and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
And you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think it was super cemented to me too the
first tour that he went out without Chris and he
came out as like the clown, the gangster.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I remember that and the screens.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
To me, that was the most impressive tech tour because
I was like, this might be the best tech show
I've ever seen. And he's like because you know, there
was something about seeing like him cut out Whoun and
Chris Calico the Unholy Trinity and they're dancing and all
that ship where you would be like, oh, this ship
is crazy, like nobody's doing this ship. Yeah, But then
to see him just do it alone and still like

(35:50):
carry the show. I'm like, this ship is crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah man, yeah, so yeah getting out there doing that
and then the ISO chance man like like when you
got six to ten thousand people chatting I saw back
to back, I'm like, I appreciate every last one of
the motherfuckers that have ever did that because what it
did was it show tech and it show trapped. They're like, yo,

(36:12):
like we might have something here, you know what I mean?
And I felt like that was their way of saying
like we see you, we accept you, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (36:21):
What about uh how because obviously you end up on
you produced Red Kingdom, which is uh, I mean now
like kind of the unofficial official fucking Chiefs anthem.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's got to be pretty crazy. Yeah, man, yeah, I
mean they are in the super Bowl every year. It
feels like that was a dope thing and crazy. Crazily enough,
that was my first ever NFL game I ever went to,
was the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Because of that. Shit, that's your first game, first game
I ever went to. It was the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Put you went to a lot of college games, I'm assuming.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, but to go to that, you know what
I mean? Like because of Red and Red Kingdom. It
was just something on the fly. Tech called me and
was like he's like, man, I need a beat man.
It was like, I don't got nothing. It was like
I need to beat I'm trying to do something for
the chief He just made it sound so nonchalant, like
I just do a quick little thing for the Chiefs.
And I was like, give me like fifteen minutes, let

(37:09):
me go through my I was like I think I
got one. That that fixed.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
That sent it to him and I became Red Kingdom.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Jesus all the ship with uh Trump posting this ship
and the White House. You know what I'm saying, Uh,
playing this shit on the CNN was playing the ship
doing his impeachment or whatever the fuck. I was like,
everything that's happening with this song is like just making
his motherfucker goe. Yeah, I'm like, shit, going to your
public facts, I'm like, shit, I don't give a fuck

(37:39):
play that ship, you know what I mean? But it
just it just turned into something that I had no.
I had no idea that it was gonna I think, uh,
I think Uh. Caitlin, who works at the label, she
told me I think it went platinum.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I think it's up there for sure. I think is
it bigger than Face Off?

Speaker 4 (37:57):
I think they're like this, Yeah, so I'll be the first.
I'll be the first person at Strange Music that ever
had a production that went platinum.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Man, I mean probably yeah. And you already got two golds.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's crazy that it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, where do you put the plaques at the house facts?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I need to find out. I'm gonna make knock some
ship off the wall.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Makes me room.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
You know, it's a big deal, man.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, that's a beautiful.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Thing for you.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Is there because you obviously have worked with a lot
of dope artists. Is there who's kind of like your
bucket list feature that you still want to want to
work with it? It's kind of like obviously everyone's gonna
say jay Z, you know whoever, but like, you know,
a realistic feature that you would like to make happen.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
There's a few, man, there's a few. I'm a big
I'm a big little Wayne Man.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Wheezy be crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I would love the Yoda songs going nuts. She's got
a relationship with Strange already.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really want to do something with
Wayne Eminem for sure. You know that's definitely up there.
Shout out five nine is crazy. He's like, yeah, yeah,
there's there's there's a few. There's a few that I
really really want to work with, you know what I mean,
just from that golden era even like and this is

(39:09):
something that probably is a curve ball for a lot
of people, But.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I really fun with your mortal technique.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I love mortal tech like that like mals dance, I mean,
mortal technique. I learned so much about you know, the
fucking CIA and come on all kind of crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Come on emtial technique. He I was like, I was
listening to that ship and uh in high.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
School and I'm like, oh yeah, ye, Mortal Tech look
the same same here in high school. And I remember
seeing that motherfucker live and it was like, this is
fucking crazy. Yeah, Mortal Tech. I got to interview him recently,
and like a couple of years ago, he's solid as
fuck too.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, Yeah, he's got He's an intense guy man.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Very very very smart guy man, very very knowledgeable, and
just just just overall dope individual.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
For anybody who's watching this who has kind of grown
up with trauma and can't seem to get themselves out
of that rut that you were in, what was what
is advice you could give somebody?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Man, I feel like it gets greater later.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I feel like everything that happens to you is definitely
temporary if you take your time and work through it.
I feel like none of us are ever going to
have what is considered the perfect life. We all have
had our own battles, and we all still have our
battles no.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Matter how good life gets or wherever we're at.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Just take it day by day and you just continuing
to keep going is a motivation for a lot of
people that don't, that don't have the strength to get
out of bed today. You know what I mean, Like,
we go on the road and we do these meet
and greets, and people tell me I saved their lives
just from speaking out my personal experiences and beliefs.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
To motivate somebody just from working through whatever struggle you're doing,
it can it can move mountains.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think like you, I think you said earlier, like
accountabilities like the number one thing.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yes, yeah, yep, I had to say. You know, you
know our real role. I play my own suffering. Let
me get myself together, let me do the self work,
let me realize where I went wrong and how I
could respond to this or separate myself from these particular energies,
And life started to work in my favor after that,
you know what I mean. Like, I feel like life
is definitely cycle based. Obviously, the world spins and spins,

(41:19):
you know what I mean. So I'm like, I can
recognize when certain things are happening in certain type of situations,
even just mentally.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
You know what I mean. For sure, I'm like, you
know it'll get greater.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Letter, just just take your time and work through it,
to allow yourself to feel what you need to feel,
work yourself through those emotions and keep going.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Overall you obviously spending so much time with Travis as
the entrepreneurial shit rubbed off on you at all.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Hell yeah, I picked Traves' brain all the time, and
wildly enough, Trave would always be like, man, I try
to tell you know, certain people about they just don't
want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm like, show me, yeah, please show me the way.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
How the fuck did you do this?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
And I will sit there and I will take notes
and I'll be like, what book do I need to read?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Or what do you?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
And I you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
I've always been a sponge, right, And I feel like
that's the dope. That's the dope thing about being in
the Midwest. Tools we get everything. Everything just gets dumped
in the middle. And I'm like, Okay, I learned this.
I learned how to make beats like this listening to
Dre growing up. Okay, I know how to make some
Timberland type shit. I know how to make this type
of shit, and uh, you know it just it just works.
It just always works in your favor to be studious.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
For sure, we'll look the album is out, Ghetto Psycho. Uh,
I know you guys are pushing this E forty record
hard Man. Shout out to.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Forty forty man, another inspiration for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, he's a legend. Were you able to hang out
with forty yet? No?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, but we getting ready shot he is.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Uh, he does not disappoint Yeah. You know there's like
people who you meet that are like that. You grew
up like hanging it, like like listening to or watching
on TV, and then you meet him and you're like.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Ah, yeah, understandable.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
E forty is never going to disappoint you, and neither
is a little Boozy.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Boozy is as advertised as a human being until it's forty.
Just got to get forty a little bit of that wind,
some of that some of his forty you look, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, but yeah, shout out to
you man. Appreciate you for finally pulling up. We're gonna
have to do a freestyle too, so make sure go
watch that. Go support the album just dropped, right yep Friday.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yep, Ghetto Cycle out now, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Go get it man, It's a bout let Cab podcast.
Come on m

Speaker 3 (43:18):
MHM