#593 - Peezy on His New Album, Changing His Lifestyle, Trump, Unity in Detroit & More

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Speaker 2 (02:04):
Let's get to the interview Bootleg cap podcast Man special
guests in here a legend, a Detroit legend, one of
the most influential guys man in hip hop in a
long time. I'm talking about Pasy. What's up? Brother? What's up?
How's everything being? Brother? I'm healthy, man, I can't play everything. Yeah,

(02:26):
what brings you to LA right now? Just on the
promo run for the album, work out your video shoots,
and a bunch of other shit going on.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I feel like you're the kind of guy when
you come to LA. I'm sure you're probably getting pulled
in like every direction. Yeah, come to the store, come
to the dispensary, come to the studio.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The whole shit. So, but it's business first though, Before
I even go do any of this shit, I got
to take care of the real business. So I had
to pull up on you. Yeah, when is when's the I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Coming out September twenty sixth? Oh, this's next Friday. Yeah
that's dope, because last time you dropped his last was
it twenty twenty four?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah? Yeah, dropped the mixtape last year small town, I
mean small town Ghetto. Yeah, so, uh, what's the name
of the new album? Still Ghetto? Okay, I see what
you did there. You got the ghetto album still Ghetto Smart.
I'm still on it. I love it. Is this going
to be the last album of the Ghetto series if
you will? I don't know. I can't say, because you

(03:23):
could go still Ghetto. You could keep it going the
way rich onmy Kwan kept the I swear, I'm the hardest.
You know, you can keep that thing going. That's what
I'm saying. I'm then it's like a reinvention, is it? Yeah?
In what way? Like from Pazy to Ghetto?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Do you feel like because I feel like there was
a point in time where you were kind of going
through it and and that before I feel like two
million hip kind of like changed a lot for you.
But do you feel like you've you've as also kind
of like reinvented yourself as like a man over the
last few years.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, one hundred per, one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Like my whole thinking process is different, everything, everything I
really do different. Last year?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
What was what are the like the main things that
you kind of what is it is it like different
circle is it? You know, smaller circle?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Is it health? What are the things that you're really
more health than anything? As far as it's really more intake.
I've been like I had stopped eating a bunch of shit,
not because I was trying to lose no weight, because
it was just wasn't healthy. Yeah, just because you want
to be here? Yeah, would you cut out everything down there?

(04:41):
I don't eat chicken, beef, pork steak. Yeah, like kind
of vegan vegetarian. Yeah, like so you won't eat any
meat ever? Said it again, like no meat, no pause,
no meat, no meat, but you we have cheese and eggs.
But yeah, yeah, but I still like sometimes but I

(05:03):
haven't been eating like turkey sometimes, Like, but I haven't
been eating that ship. But the only thing you would
probably catch me really like eating crazy faust is like
turkey bacon. I got. I'll be then to eating it
any morning because it's like fastest on the go. But
you can damn your microwave turkey bacon, right, Yeah, but

(05:23):
I'll try not to use the mirctway yeah, the radioactive ship. Yeah,
I don't even like using the microwave. I don't even
like using plastic. It's like a lot of yo. It's
crazy too. I just got hipped to Uh there's like
this app where if you get a bottle of water,
you can scan it. Yeah, you're talking about the Yuga app.
I think, no, the YOUU gaps.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, you could do with the you gap too, because
you could scan anything with the you gap. But it
breaks down like all the shit wrong with the water. Yeah,
and like the amount of microplastics and like it's inside
the water.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's crazy even damn see it though. When you pick
up about right, you know what I'm saying, you can
see like so much shit in It's like the most
popular water is like I don't know if you ever
go to Costco, but you go to Costco, they give
you that forty pack and then by everybody got the
bottles of water, like the forty packs or whatever in
the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
That ship is terrible daily and it's tapwater. It's alight
from tapwater. They just pure nothing.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, we're all just drinking shitty tapwater with microplastics in it.
What was the hardest thing for you to like kind
of back off of when it came to like what
you're eating? I ain't gonna lie really be easy for real,
because it's really it's a main thing. You gotta think
if if you know some shit to kill you, Like
if you know, if you know walking down this street

(06:48):
at nighttime at this specific time, you can you would
get hurt. You you wouldn't walk down that street at
that time. I have a lot of my friends that
do cocaine. Oh that they might fuck around and find
out one day. It doesn't seem to face them. But
like the normal person, you're right, the normal person, you're right.

(07:11):
So with me, I'm saying that to say, like, I
don't really have to be forced to stop eating nothing
once I figure out what it's doing with your body,
the ramifications of it. But I feel like, what's now,
what's to go to at the coney when you got
Because I about to say, bully, I don't eat nothing, fat,

(07:32):
I don't. I can't even tell you the last time
I eat fast food. Are you still dabbling with the
shrooms at all? No? I ain't took a strooming, no way.
I can't even tell you the last time I did.
Was the last time you we talked about last timmer
you you had that that that that episode at your
crib freaking out. That wasn't the last time I did it,
that was the first time I did. Oh that's oh yeah,

(07:54):
that would make sense to That would either be your
last time because you were like, yo, this is crazy,
or your first time. I had to run back though.
I had to run back up on them bitches again,
like I can't go out like that, right right, right,
right right. But I was really using them because I
was pulling long hours off in the studio. In this room.
They'll keep you awake, and it's like a lot safer
than like what else will keep you awake. So that's

(08:18):
what like really started it. But that ship was over
quick as it started. It was just like a little
quick for as I got like a real addictive personality,
so I get I'm the type of niggah would be
on them bitches for sure. You're taking it almost like
becoming dependent on So I got off that ship quick.
Are you Are you sober right now? Yeah? I'm sober

(08:39):
right now because if you're if you're off the diet,
and you know what I'm saying, I smoke weed though,
I mean weed is you're California sober? Yeah, I'm sober
though weed is great. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
No, but weed is the best. Yeah, I feel like,
you know, we had a long ass flight too. That's
when you take the edible.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, but I don't even funk with edibles. Like I
never took an edible in my wife. I never took
it up er like ecstasy or never. I've never learned that. Yeah,
I'm not a party type guy. I've never done anything
but shrooms, weed, and I took ecstasy once with a

(09:22):
chick one time. See them girls be the reason niggas
do super crazy drugs. They be the ones who turned
me in out on drug I could see that. Yeah,
just be so thirsty that they'll just do it. Honestly,
that was me at the time, and it was it was.
It was interesting. It wasn't like you know, it wasn't

(09:45):
like anything I ever felt. But I also didn't like
love it. I was like, wait, I'm supposed to be
horny right now, Like this shit got me all fucked up.
I used to Yeah, you know what I'm saying, that's why,
Like what you're saying was saying like that, like I'm
scared to even taste the piece of chicken right now,
or a piece of steaks, cause you might just get

(10:05):
pulled back in No, because I don't know what it's
going to do to me.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh yeah, because your body is so used to it. Yeah,
you're not eating it, Yeah, it could react differently.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah. No, I feel that. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I feel like meat is the one thing that's like
depending on where you're getting it from. It's like, you
never know how these fucking chickens are being raised with
what's going on with the fucking cows.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know what I'm saying. Well, let me ask you
this though. Right, Let's just say if I wasn't sober,
and I ain't saying it's just like kind of like
off the record, if I wasn't sober, right, m let's
just say if I drunk lean before I got here,
and let's just say you ate Chick fil A before
you got here, who did the most drugs? Mm hmm.

(10:50):
I don't know. I would.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I would dare to say probably the lean, because the
Lean's probably got more effect to your physical.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
In that moment, in that moment, in the long run,
in the long No, but I feel like, even.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
In the long run, I feel like the lean. I
feel like you you know, you go through withdraws. You
ain't gonna go through withdraws if you stop being chicken. Yes,
I don't know you're gonna you know, you know, Okay,
let me withdraws. It's a painful, bro Okay. So let
me ask you this. What are the withdrawals off the chicken?

(11:29):
When you when you when you're withdrawing off coreene other ship.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I wouldn't be because I never stopped eating chicken. So
I haven't done what I'm saying. So you do way
more drugs than me. See, I might drink Lean. Let's
just let's just say, hypothetically, I might have drunk Lean.
Right if I drunk Lean two weeks out the month.
You've been eating chicken your whole life. You do way
more drugs than me every day, and you drug your
whole family. But I don't know if we get I

(11:55):
don't know if I can overdose on chicken. You don't
have to overdose. It's not meant for you to overdose
on it. It is meant for you to get cancer
and die from it alone. I feel like both. There's
an argument you made. But the thing, the thing about
it is I know what I'm doing, and you don't
mmmm at least. But the thing about it is too

(12:16):
I know what drug I'm doing and you don't.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now that you might have a point there, I got
a point. Yeah, especially if you're eating like Tyson chicken.
It's like eating any chicken.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You think any chicken from a farmer. What if I
buy it from a farmer, then that's different chicken. But
if you went to Mark Kroger or any grocery store
and you bushit bush if you ate a bag of
hot cheetost Cheetos, that's obviously poison. Let me see, like,
let me see this, Let me see this. This is poison, right,

(12:49):
This is how I stay awake. The ingredients and this
ship you can't even fucking that's a that's an energy drink.
One one ingredient. You can't pronounce it, but it's a
ton of them in there you can't.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
So what's got me fucked up with this is but
I'm telling you synthetic caffeine. And it's the sweetener because
there's no there's no calories in this, but it tastes sweet.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's cancer. I'm drinking cancer. I understand that, But understand
what you're doing versus somebody who drinking Lean or some
ship like that. That's just an off subject conversation. It
is a little off subject. But the point I was
making was who doing more drugs? What's more dangerous? I
think what you're doing more dangerous because you think the

(13:31):
energy drink. But you never heard of somebody who's drinking
too much cost being connected to cancer. I feel like,
I feel like people who've drinking too much costs their
lives have been ruined. Now an expensive habit, I mean, yeah,
if you but but if you can afford it, If

(13:51):
you can afford it, what about the what about the
what about all the successful people that still drink served
to day that you don't even know about. There's a
lot of them. Okay, so but what about the guys
who ate McDonald's their whole life and not a diabetic
They lost kid, But we're not talking about that. Never happened.
McDonald's is different Chick fil a, white Castle, process anything,

(14:14):
gas station food, whatever. Let's just say it's never happened
to the Lean at it. But I feel like if
I make it, I'm not justifying it. But what I'm
just saying is it's an interesting conversation way. I feel
like if I make grilled chickens. If I have grilled
chicken for dinner with broccoli, grilled chicken, even if it's steroids, whatever,

(14:36):
I feel like that is a better uh risk risk ratios.
Not first of all, you're eating it. First of all,
you're eating a dead thing, right, imagine, Like I was
just what about that? What about the poor turkey? The
poor turkey? You eat the turkey. I'm but I ain't

(14:58):
saying I'm perfect, but I'm saying this though. I was
talking to my brother and the car. I was just
telling him, like, would you eat your dog? Of course
not I know that for would you eat your cat?
Would you eat your neighbor dog if you didn't know what? No?
Because I love dogs. I'm just saying if I had
pat cal, I wouldn't eat him, but you but you
would if you didn't know what it was, and if
it was seasoned, right maybe? So do you love seasoning

(15:21):
or do you just love whatever they feeding you? Is
it the animal? Is it the season? I think I
like buffs, I like chicken. I could I could eat
you love drugs then, I mean I do love drugs, right,
I love weed? You so you live more than all, right,
let's just say if I'm vegan, right, I love drugs.
Let's just say, if I'm raw vegan, but the only

(15:41):
thing my only vice is syrup, You're way more fucked
up than I am. Do you think that if your
only vice is syrup? Though sometimes too, Like if I
just want to drink a few times out the month, right, right,
But I'm saying that's my only vice. But I'm row vegan,
I'm yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
But let's say that's different, right, Like, because I do
feel like there are people who can recreationally do any
drug and be okay. Like I got an aunt. Shout
out to my aunt Cheryl. She is like an administrative
manager at office successful.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
My aunt Cheryl will do meth once or twice a month. Yeah,
Like it's she's an old white lady. When she's feeling
frisky on a Saturday night at home alone, my aunt
Cheryl will fucking will snort meth. And I remember I
found this out maybe like two years ago, and my
mom was like, oh, you're aunt, sure she's high right now?
I'm like hi, she's like seventy's like, oh, you know,

(16:35):
she does myth every once in a while, And I'm like,
what so I do think you can do recreational drug use,
but I do think it's when your body is chemically
dependent on certain drugs, like you said, That's what I'm saying.
But if your body isn't chemically dependent on it, and
you can and you know, hey, I'm living a healthy lifestyle.

(16:56):
Every once in a while, I like this happen. I
don't even use the same toothpaste, the ordorant or none
of that shit that people use, like what your give out.
First of all, it's a whole other conversation. What do
you use it? I'm just saying, like I don't use
the saying, I don't even use a plastic tooth brush.
But the point I'm making is fuck the food. Like

(17:17):
even the soap you using whatever you watch that ship
is way worse than the normal drug that hypothetically, let's
just say, so you think using normal soap is worse
to siplately telling you your everyday life is more toxic
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Are they starting to because I heard and I've never
seen this, but someone said that they're starting to fuck

(19:31):
with weed with like spray petanol on it. But why
I don't understand why they would do that, Because they
make money, take money, Like I just don't get like
weed to me is the one thing. Just leave it alone,
you know what I'm saying. Just well, you gotta whoever
you get your weed from, you just get it from.
Is that a thing? Like?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Because I feel like it feels it feels like because
I haven't heard of that happening here? Does that happened
in the Midwest, you think.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I mean, I really, I ain't tell you. I never
had a running in with this, right, so I really
don't know for real, I tell you what they're doing
that you know they're spraying the turps on the on
the packs. Oh my god, that's the worst. It's the worst.
My cousin was smoking turps so bad he couldn't ship.

(20:18):
It blocked this whole. He could not use the bathroom
for six months. He had to go to the bar,
he had to go to. I believe it. I'm smoking
chemical weed.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, people don't understand, like I mean you, I mean,
you know, I dippled and dabbled in the pack game
for a long time. And it's like most people that
care about the nose and what it looks like, and
people have figured out how to, uh make your weed
smell to worry. If you do this, it hits and
then that's all you need. But if you're spraying your ship,

(20:50):
I rather like, we just got to get me hot. Like,
I don't care if it smells like fucking I don't
want it to smell like pop tarts, you feel me,
I want that ship to smell like weed. I like, O,
g this, like my weed's got to be weed? Yeah,
does it get me high or not? Should be to
me the most, but not does it smell good? Like
motherfuckers is trying to have like designer weed and ship
and fucking themselves up in the process with the turfs

(21:12):
and ship.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
But that's the market now, it is.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I feel like it's starting to turn a little bit
though it ain't personal. Though it's not. Yeah, yeah it's not.
How's the because I know that. I mean, last time
I was in Detroit, like a lot of the dispensaries
are popping up out there. It's like, obviously the weed
game has been pretty legal out there. How I know
in Cali there was like a turning point where it

(21:35):
was like the wild wild West initially and then they
kind of reeled in the dispensary ship and then the
black market kind of. I feel like it's always gonna win.
But how did how do you feel like the legalization
of weed in Michigan like changed just the weed game
out there?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Did it change it? And all you think, Hell, yeah,
it changed it because it gave opportunities to guys like
myself and my brother Lou Graham shout out Lou Graham.
He got his which is going on. His second dispensary
is second legal dispensary. Fire Yeah, we got the flash Shifter,
the dispensary one in Detroit next to backpacks. Fire Shots

(22:11):
just opened up another one in Cleveland, and he's working
on this third location in Houston. So with the Michigan
we legal system, it gave you guys like us a
chance to get in the market and get some of
their fucking money because it's a billion dollar industry and legally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I feel like that's one thing like they always
talk about like reparations, and I'm like, yo, the real
way you could really like get people to agree on
a version of reparations would be the communities that were
effective the most negatively by you know, the war on drugs.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Give them the opportunity to have equity in the legalization
of the same drugs. Yeah, you know, so many people
were incarcerated for it.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
So yeah, So talk to me about this new album
is first on how many tracks?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Is at seven? Team? Okay? How any features you could?
I mean, we're a week away. I rather since it's
finna come out, I ain't gonna I'll tell you off camera. Well,
well you probably already know, right it'll be it'll drop.
It'll probably drop the day the album comes out. Okay,
well you know I got a Ross on there, chains
on there. Okay, I got g Herdwell damn forty two Okay, Jeremiah,

(23:22):
I got Big Seane, I got Chicken Pee, I got
I got a baby face Ray. Did I say two chain? Yes?
Oh yeah, that's insane. We loaded on the features. I
got my man low from from Chicago th JF that
ship yeah is chicken Did Chicken Pee get out? I

(23:42):
know you'll locked doing a little time right now for
shout out to him man, he came up, came by
the show. Super nice shot to ware. Damn, that is
a hell of a lineup, man, that is crazy. You
know what I love about what you just said too,
It's just so much unity in Detroit right now. Feels
like all the names you just said, I feel like
eight nine years ago that would have been like a

(24:04):
harder thing Tho, not necessarily those specific guys, but I
mean just in general, just the unity in the city
is right now, and like not just right now, but
for a long time now. The unity you've been on
team Yeah, I love to see it. Man to the
point where if I drop a video, I don't have

(24:25):
to tell nobody to repost it. The guy's gonna automatically
just put it in their story. The same with us
is like everything though it's just like a cycle now
where it's nonverbal. It's just like an automatic support system
with all of us.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, I feel like it's been dope to see and
I feel like it's been good for like the because
you know, you always will hear. A lot of people
used to say about Atlanta. The reason why Atlanta got
cracking so much because everybody started supporting each other. And
I feel like Detroit is kind of on the y'all
been on the forefront for a few years now. Yeah,
there's so many people like wouldn't necessarily say taking the sound,

(25:01):
but doing the sound, you know what I'm saying, Like,
like I hear so many artists getting.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
On Detroit beats. It's kind of crazy. It's the sound
for sure. No no Rio on the album Noah, I
ain't had real on this tape because actually bro on
some real g ship this tape. Oh ah, you feel
me so something you've been working on before he got out? Yeah,
the only thing he really knew about the tape is

(25:26):
like the features. But I already did the tape three different times.
But I ain't got bron there, but I got some shit.
We actually got a new music too on this tape.
You guys do have new music. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
In fact, it's been dope to see. I just had
him at my club in Scott Steal tour has been
going crazy. It looks like I feel like he's getting
his flowers because you know, it's funny, because I feel
like everybody would always say, like, you know, all the
funny shit that people say, kind of the new Detroit
flow where people say the funny shit. I think Vezel
might have said thing, you might have said it, but
it really came from him.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's the Flint flow. It ain't Detroit. It's the Flint
Ship shot Mike shut out to Mike, shout out, Louis Ray,
Little e YANJ, Crispy like Kid, the whole Flint scene.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
What is the connection between Flint and Detroit? Is it
also like a lot of unity or is it very separate?
Scenes For people who.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Don't know, well, it started with me, well, let me,
let me, let me, let me go, let me give
you that I'm gonna give it, give it to you
the short version. But from the beginning, it didn't start
with Rio and me. It started with my man KD
Free KD he been okay, and Louis Ray too. These
two guys who I know I've been knowing way longer

(26:39):
than I've been doing Ree. You know what I'm saying.
I had music with Louis Ray back in the day.
I had music with KD, KD got music with all
of us, Me, Ray, Dame, g T, Snoop, all of us.
But I say that because how I met Rio? How
How does the whole ship started? All this ship began
begun was from KT about him coming down to Detroit.

(27:02):
Man was doing some whole other business, and in the
midst of us doing what we do, he's playing me
his music and him and rehad a song together, and
I'm like, damn, who dude is You know what I'm saying, Like,
that's Louis Ray, brother Rio, So make it long. When
I when I got up with him, our unity bridged
the gap. But when I went to jail, my my

(27:26):
city just took him in like all the bros, just
like embraced City just embraced it. They not just him,
their whole camp, you know what I'm saying. Like he
was already good in the city, but the city just
were just like got behind your ship, you know what
I'm saying, Like you like you down there from here, right,
like everybody get that bridged because you know, and even

(27:50):
like in jail detraiting Flint, they don't fuck with each
other what they do, but they yeah, like you would die.
You go down to Flint trying to get some money
down there and you get locked up. You a dog
coming up here from down here? What does that drive?
A few hours? It's only like forty five minutes, not bad, yeah,
but it's it's just like how they look at Flint

(28:12):
from other cities and Detroiters like damn there. How they
look at Haiti and.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And being and then there's dr right next hyper shit, right,
it's Flint like water yeah dirty, or they just look
at Flint like it ain't really own ship, like you
might look at a Pontiac Michigan or right, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
But now you gotta look at Flint like Detroit Flint.
You can't say Detroit without saying Flint now because it's
all the powerhouses, Like that's keeping this shit a floaters
from Flint, you know what I'm saying, And all this
shit stem from what man man kt so like that,

(28:54):
do you you know?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I feel like it's been dope to see the last
like five or six years, uh, like Sean kind of
embracing I guess, like the street side of the scene,
because for a while it felt like there was like
all the street guys separate, even if you go all
the way back to like the Dope Way, cash Out
Days and all that shit, and then you had the

(29:17):
other side, which was like Eminem and Big Sean and
Royce de five nine and.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know, more of the boom bap shit.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
How dope has it been for you to just kind
of see like Sean kind of because I feel like,
you know, it kind of goes back to, uh, he
did that cipher on Detroit to the end where he
put everybody he put He put Hella Fools on our
song together. It was a lot of a lot of motherfuckers.
But how important is that you think? And then even

(29:45):
to have like Eminem like put Baby Trona on a song,
like you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like
it's gotta be dope to just kind of see those
sides of the industry kind of finally kind of just
running together, you know what I'm saying, embracing each other.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I feel like if it feels good to collabd with
with Sean and all them, shann my brother, like it's
overstilled with me and Sean, with us in the whole camp.
But I also feel like, you damn there have to
once you reached, once you And the reason I say
that is because once you've been at a certain level

(30:21):
so long, you can't treat the streets like it on
the streets don't matter, especially with all the noise that's
being made, you know what I'm saying. Then it's like
you guys are dictating the sound of hip hop nationally.
So it's like, why wouldn't you come tap in with
the street right if you are fucking man, if you
wanted a main artist from the city, and you seeing

(30:43):
we did this ship all up until this point with
no help, not even asking for features, not even and
I ain't just talking about Sean now, but just in general,
why wouldn't you come and race this shit and tap
in with this ship? We ain't band. We ain't bann it,
We ain't banned nobody and said we ain't fucking with that.
We really fuck with that, like we really motivated and

(31:05):
we fuck with that. And sometimes I don't be thinking
they know because they might be looking at us, like
them nigga's more arrogant, they street like, they might be
looking at them. Man won't fuck with them industry niggas,
but we really do the And a lot of times
they probably be like kind of like weary to fuck
with certain street guys because they might be thinking we
taking on that approach you already know. Man. Want to

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get back to the podcast, because I feel like nationally
there was the era of like the no fly zone
being the thing, and it felt like for a while

(32:37):
there it might have maybe even hurt Detroit to have
that kind of like reputation. So like, if you're like
an up and coming artist or you're a hot, big artist,
in your head, you're probably thinking like I'm this by
this that was probably twenty twelve, twenty eleven, like.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Shout out uncle, No trit trick is a legend. I
just mean I got out of the Detroit. But I'm
saying that to say, Okay, no flies on and each right,
that ain't no different from when you go to LA
and you gotta tap in with somebody, or if you
go to goddamn Miami. I feel like, Yeah, I feel
like if you come to LA, it depends. I feel
like if you come out here and you are, you

(33:14):
got a hotel, and you got your and you and
you ain't you ain't on no funck shit, I feel
like I feel like you don't and and but but
again it's just anywhere though, But I don't feel like
I don't I feel like you have to tap in
in LA. If you're if you're in New York and
you're banging a set and you come to where the sets,
you kind of have to tap in, you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, but that's anywhere, but you should tap

(33:34):
in with artists from here. You should tap in. Yo,
I'm gonna come into town, and if you're going to
New York, you want to call somebody, I'm pulling up.
If you're going to Miami, cally anywhere. So the Detroit,
no flies on. That wasn't no ship where it was
just like banding celebrities. It's basically like, come and show
some respect. No, not even just show some respect, you
show some love. Like, right, if we're giving y'all one

(33:57):
hundred and one fifty to come, if you're into the
city and come, come show some love, Come walk through
them all. Come come show some love to a black
owned business. Go give a verse back to to the
That's what that was about. It wasn't It wasn't that
y'all can't come down here. It was basically like we're
paying y'all are our hard earned money, and y'all taking

(34:18):
it and leaving and just leaving coming in and coming
out and like just spread a little love. Like that's
what that was about. You know what I'm saying, I
honestly believe it. And that's anywhere I feel like and
it was the same way here, Like I feel like
the OG's here. Probably feel like y'all came out because
you got to come to LA to get money when
you and hip hop. So yeah, LA is a must.
There's a few there's a few places. It's players that

(34:40):
you that you might have to deal with on this
Sidurda or the globe when you are here. You ain't
gonna come down here and just be acting like you
just survived l A without like you're just that street right.
You know what I'm saying, No, nigga, it's respecting.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
How much did two million Up kind of change things
for you? Because that was a real hit record. I
don't know how many.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Crazy, how many, so many, so many. I don't even
know what was the amount of remixes you ended up.
I just remember there's two remixes. But I think people
people probably think like I was well off before this ship. No,
for sure. I just mean in terms of, like, but
my life, my life changed. As far as I understood,
it was levels to success. I understood very well. There's

(35:26):
levels to sussiss. You know what I'm saying. That's what
that was about. I understood that made me realize, like,
if one song can set you up for the rest
of your life, then three of them just can say
Ye imagine if you catch it after ten of them,
you feel what I'm saying, ten, ten, twenty. So I'm
looking at it like niggas like Drake, Chris Brown, Travis
Scott who got a hundred of them insane. There there's

(35:48):
no way to ever you know what I'm saying, so
I'm looking at it on that aspect too, But as
far as like that song's platinum now gold its platinum
like double almost double play huge. But I kind of
like my catalog built built me up to be ready
for it already.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, I feel like it's important to have like catalog.
I feel like guys like yourself, I mean, like guy
like Mazie showed everybody.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Like might be like because I don't feel like they
be asking Mazie like how did you feel in sleep
Walking Drop? Because that ain't his biggest song, Like, I mean,
it might be his biggest song on on paper. But
you know what the difference is though, is I'm a
radio guy. Yeah, he got hell of smackers though in
the radio, No, you had a joint dog, Mazie ain't

(36:37):
had a two million No. I agree. It's one of
my favorite songs. Got the plot right, Yeah, I'm saying,
when you turn on the radio, all over the country,
motherfuckers is playing this song. But like that, it's it's different.
I don't know because it's me though. I'm living in
this ship. But I'm saying, like you caught one of them, like,
but I'm living in it. So it's like I really

(36:58):
can't tell, right, I'm as outside looking like you on
the outside seeing it, you can tell me, like, but
I'm just living.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Did you learn anything because I know you kind of
went through it with the producer of that record. Did
you kind of learn anything about how to kind of
handle that, like working with producers you don't might not
necessarily be super locked in with moving forward from that situation.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, just get the beniness handled immediately immediately, because you
never know what could crack soon as get get the
benness handled.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Obviously you've done some dope collab projects.
I love your album with with with Giovanni.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Who if anybody?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Is there anything else in the mix where you would
want to do a full collab album with somebody else
that we haven't heard of yet. I'm gonna say real like,
that's the over that's the overdue one, right.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, that's the that's like the tip of the milon,
And that's something I really want to do.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
That's something that the fans want. Yeah, that's something like
I want to do too. Yeah, it's like that because
it's fun. It's like ship we always do. It's chemistry.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I already know, me and my brother gonna run around
the world to have fun and get the money together. Right,
that will be crazy. You know what I'm saying. It's
gonna be a great time. We're gonna be able to
bring our family, We're gonna have our real friends with us.
It's gonna be a real vibe. It's like, yeah, it's
cool to collab and do industry ship, but I like

(38:28):
to work with people who I consider family. Like you
know what I'm saying. We can do one hundred songs,
so I feel like that. I feel like that would
be real and Babyface, right, baby Face, And I ain't
just saying that these my guys. I'm just speaking as

(38:49):
far as the chemistry and as far as the music
that we make.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, they're so ghetto. Record that you drop. I like,
you know what record I like you drop a couple
of years ago. What's the joint with Tron? This is
a psilocybin joint? Yeah, yeah, trying Baby Tron is different, Bro,
Baby Trying different.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
He like got his own little world. I used to
tell him, like before before he blew up. I used
to be like, bro, you're sweet as fun. He'll tell
you like I probably was like one of the biggest,
one of the big artist supporting name. Yeah, he's he's different, bro,
and like he got he got his bar like like
you said, like he kind of kind of got the
got the thing from real with the funny ship and

(39:29):
the way he delivers his bars and ship. But it's
funny because like seeing him live and like the kids.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Bro's like these little kids like blood Shouts the Shitty
Boys too. All right, So you're on a health kick,
which is dope.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I've been.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Also, I saw a little bit of your interview with
Wallow and Uh and Gilly who obviously they've embraced Detroit
a lot over the last four or five years.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
What are the things you're doing, like now that you're
kind of like you've like you said, you got the catalog,
you've got the big record. Financially, what are the things
you're doing. Are you doing any investing? Are you from
the outside looking in everything? I'd be just fucking the
money and not you though, na people, probably because I
ain't the type of nigga would tell you I didn't be.

(40:17):
I be investing in stocks and I got hitting money
all over the place and like that. That's gonna actually
like I feel like I feel like is gonna tell
you that. But as far as me investing, I'm super invested.
Just no, just no, just no. I don't really got
a wrap. I could just you fuck with the stock market.
I fuck with the stock market, I fuck with real estate.

(40:38):
I with Golt. You're like watches playing goes at all
time high. Yeah, Like I'm into all that ship, yo,
it's crazy. Uh. My boy was just telling me.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
First of all, you can still get houses for a
good price in your hometown. But my homie was just
telling me there's like a town that's right near the
Canadian border.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Mm hmmm. That like his family's from a bazaar's producer.
I was telling me about it. He was like, bro,
they're selling houses for five hundred dollars. I'm like, bruh,
you block up down that ship sounds crazy though, Like,
do you have a lot of real estate out there? Yeah?
I got. I ain't gonna say I got a lot

(41:22):
of I got like I got big pieces rights like that.
That's a lot of the way to go, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well, that motherfucker Dan Gilbert and bought up like all
of downtown.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
But the good thing about it is, it's still a
lot left. So if you got some money, I've asked
you to get some of that ship. Because rent only
go up, it don't go down, like goes down. You
can't lose your money investing in real estate.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Right, no matter what, someone's gonna want to rent it,
even if even if you lose money on the short
side of whatever, the equity goes up and down.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Like evenfucker will rent the fucking property off you. Like
I was just telling my look cousin, Like, because people
be trying to think of the quickest way to make money,
I'd be like, bro, you got you might have to
go on a land bank and buy you a house
for one thousand and fifteen hundred. Yeah, it's gonna take
a year for them to clear it for the for
the whole process. But in that time, let's just say,
if you don't build the whole house, you might have

(42:18):
to put a roof on it and put some steps
on the house, and you can sell that as is
for probably maybe thirty grand. And you didn't got them
made your money right back three times profit in there, right,
you ain't sponship for probably six grand. Yeah, you get
what I'm saying. For sure, then you could. Now let's
just say it, don't seal you can goddamn if you

(42:39):
got insurance on the house, you might can go you
know what I'm saying, go to insurance way, or you
can go to equity way. Like if your house might
be worth something, then you can go take the equity
loan out on the house and do it again and
again and again. Keep you know what I'm saying. Then
that's how most that's how most real estate people become
millionaires overnight. Yeah. That make sure your credit is straight

(43:01):
at credit man, and it ain't hard. I mean honestly,
Like I just had a home of mind. He had
a really bad credit scory. It took him like a
good two years. It took me two years to give
my shit all the way, but it got his shit
hit all the way straight. That's how a nigga able
to live in nice houses and go right off nice
trucks and shit and don't got to pay taxes on it. Hey,

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Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yo. I remember when you and Vezzo I took the
picture with Trump, all the backlash y'all got, and I
saw Vezel also hung out with RFK and you know
him and I had a conversation about it. It's like, yeah,
I'm from Detroit, Like I need to have these relationship
it's important. What was something that That's something he into me.

(45:16):
I really didn't give a fuck about it, Like it
was just it was funny to me, for real, Like, yeah,
I take a fu. It was like it was funny
to me. But the reason I fuck with Trump is
because it ain't it ain't about black and white. It's
about business to me, Like I'm for all the tax
cuse because I'm a business owner. I'm for all this shit,
Like I don't feel like Trump is against me because

(45:39):
I'm not, no disrespect, I'm not in the poverty. I'm
not poverty stricken like I don't. You know what I'm saying.
I made it out of that. So unfortunately I related
to Trump on the business aspect of shit. So I'm
not political like your thing is. Like Yo, I'm not
trying to pay more in taxes if it makes sense
for me to be able to save my money. And

(46:01):
I work hard for this ship, right, you know what
I'm saying. Why wouldn't y'all want this man running the country.
He's already was already a building there before the president.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
What I saw Herbo had said something about because you
know he sent he was talking about sending the He
just did that ship in DC where he sent the National.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Guard the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Like if he didn't if he did that for the
like let's say, because I'm assuming, can you already mentioned Chicago,
just mentioned in Memphis?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
What would what would you support Trump cleaning up with
the iron fist like that. It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be.
First of all, I wouldn't be shut. I could do
about it. Yeah, I supported or not if he gonna
do that, if you want to do that anyway, right,
So I don't even think that's a question. But should
the streets be cleaned up? Absolutely right, A lot of

(46:50):
people would get locked up though. I mean, she get
out the way. You had enough time to do all
the drilling, stilling and killing. Man, she is time for
the kids to be able to have a safe environment
up being and be able to do shit. Now. I
don't want to have to feel like because my son
fourteen fifteen years old, right, I don't want to feel
like my son life in jeopardy if he got to

(47:10):
walk to school this morning, right, if you got to
catch the bus home from school today, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like, we gotta make this sit safer
for the kids, for old people, Like who the fuck
gonna be the new doctors, the new lawyers, the new firefighters,
the new cablemans. Everybody wants to be wan tiktoks, everybody
want to be street. Then when they lock your ass
up for the rest of your life, you're gonna be like, damn, man,

(47:32):
I should have got a skill now, you and this
motherfucker you don't have a choice, but to work.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
They said, I was looking at this list of some
of the easy, like the jobs that AI won't affect. Yeah,
and they said two of the top ones were plumbing
and electricians.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Because you're gonna always need some shit plumb yeah, because
they need to light some shit up the a I
can't do that. Hey, I can't come in and put
the lights on your house and there, and that's a
lucrative business. Like yo, if you could be an electrician
and start your own like electrician business or a plumber,
you're fucking eating Because I can't do contracting. I can't
be in the house. That ship is recession proof plumbing

(48:11):
and electric because even if the real estate I can't
do real estate, right, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Real estate is in recession proof. But everyone needs plumbing,
everyone needs everyone's h VAC. Everyone needs a fucking ac
or heater. You know what I'm saying. Like all that
ship is like it's not the most glorious ship, but
there's real many.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
That shit that's gonna be able to if you know
how to use your hands, no hormore, but they don't.
Not everybody want to be rappers, streamers, ball players, and
all this ship, Like you have to understand it's gonna
boil on to you. Hafen to use your hands one day? Right?
Have Lions? Man, if the Lions embraced you at all,
I know they fuck with the Lions way more. Being

(48:50):
a hood or all the time, you might see him
all around Detroit just having a ball, doing this thing
with a lot of more. Okay, yeah, so he being
the hood. I mean, you know, shout out to the Lions.
They'd be at the clubs. They have you met MotorCity
Dan Campbell yet the coach? No, I don't think I
met him. That coach is hilarious. But then again, I
don't really know, like, like, no disrespect, I'm not really

(49:14):
like a big sports guy. I like the game, but
I don't really know the players. So I'll probably be
somewhere and they might think I'm on some funny shit
but on some real ship. I probably really just don't
know who it is.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Are you Are you in the bastar? Like it's the
same same shiit same ship? Yeah, fust ask me by Rapp.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Now that's different. Like that's my sport. Music is my sport.
Like I never really was into all the basketball and
all this shit, But I like to get fly, go
to games, enjoyed us. You know who's obsessed with that ship.
It's fucking sad of baby. That guy is a goddamn
he could do a sports shown. They love sports him
ray Vs. There's a lot of them on it. They

(49:53):
just love sports. So I don't want of them, Like
I just say, really too men on it like that? Yeah, Yeah,
for sure, I respect it.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Who was your were if you had to say, like, uh,
your era coming up in Detroit, what were the I
guess the biggest influences in the city musically when you
were a kid, when you were coming up that you
were listening.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
To hands Down, Blade ice Wood, Yeah, Streets and the Cheddarboys,
hands Down Yeah, shot to uh Street Lord Wan Street.
But it was Blade ice Wood though. It was the Star?
Why why why was the voice book? Blade was the Star?
Like yeah, sons, yeah, shout out Little Blade, Yeah souns dope, Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I feel like there was that era and like Jez
signed the Boy cash Out and it felt like there
was something going like it was a thing. Yeah, Like
you probably had to really be there to kind of
appreciate it. So I had to be dope for you
to eventually end up doing the whole project with Giovanni
after you guys patch things up.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Man's man shout out payroll to Coach of Detroit, Man Fly,
motherfucker deserve to be fucking cheated like royalty. Man, you're
fucking king ge.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Have you ever I know uh Soada's cousin is Boldie. Yeah,
Body James is on a He's doing his own thing
in his own world of like alchemist and doing more
of the the more underground boom bab type.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Have you guys ever connected like or would you guys
work together? I mean, I know, I know body short
out body doing his thing, super talented. Yeah, he's putting
out some incredible bodies of work. Man, So new album's
coming out. The features are crazy. It's like a fucking
who's who of hip hop. He said Herbo Chains Ross,

(51:40):
Big Sean, Big Sean, baby Face, Ray, Icewear, Jeremiah Friends, Montana.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Oh you didn't say French before. I forgot Chee Chick
and p Yeah. So album's coming out Friday. By the
time you watch this, it'll be out. So go support
the album. Man, anything else you got that you're working on?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Man, I'm just trying to stay healthy. Man, signing any
new artists or Nope, I ain't signing no new artist
right now because I'm on my second win right now.
I gotta if it comes, if it comes to it.
It just happened. But I ain't saying I ain't working
with right, But I ain't signing nobody right now. Yeah,
it's allowed to sign up for I feel like, yeah,

(52:18):
I gotta be ready to take an artist to the
next level, and you gotta kind of be like maybe
ad a like a like Okay, I need to kind
of take a break on what I'm yeah, and I ain't.
I ain't there yet, right so I ain't gonna say
what I'm signing no artist right now, one hundred percent. Man,
I appreciate you pulling up. Man, go get that album
for sure any time. Okay, you know that? Peasy, my guy.

(52:40):
We're only eating turkey, bacon and raw fruits and veggies,
smoothies and ship no more chick for like electual power
capsules and ship like that intellectual power capsules. That sounds
fucking awesome. That's what we're doing. Let's go