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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Man, thanks for having me, Broy Miguel.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah. The new album Chaos.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Kyles, Let's go wrong Chaos Kyles Cows. Yeah, well we
got to get this right, yeah, Kiles is the right?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay? All right? Yeah, because in my head I'm like chaos,
but just in like a yeah, so breakdown Cows.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Kyles is this album is about making the kind of
creating the opportunity out of the madness and really like
looking at looking at what's in front of you and
just really really getting to the core of like what's working,
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what's not working. I think it's an aggressive things. It's
aggressive album.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
How long uh like did it take for like I
guess kind of like was it like the process in
terms of years? Was it you know?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Eight years?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It spans eight years?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Right. I feel like there's certain records like the always
Time record in a long time man, can you tell
me about that Always Time record because it feels like
it feels like such a like romantically like heartbreaking like
breakup song. Yeah, like it's a tough record, especially like
I'm someone who's married and is you know obviously as
with every other you know, relationship that anyone's ever been in,
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there's always like peaks and valleys, and you always like,
that's like such a record that like cut through man
to man. Appreciate that man, like when when when was
that record? Was that when when you were going through
it with your previous situation or man?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That song, that song transformed a couple of times. It
was originally a positive song. It was like, but there's
always time you love this hard, and you know, over
time it became I thought there was always time.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Like maybe the real love is like letting you go.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's the true life. Life will do that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Though, when you get to that point, is it like
is there something like like is there something that's like
beautiful about that getting to that point with somebody where
it's like, well, you know what, I love you so
much that I gotta let you like this. This isn't
you know, for us or for you rather.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
The Yeah, I think when you can when you're able
to see see things clearly and that it's not it's
not something that is gonna be when you love someone
enough to let them go because you know that you
can't do and be what they deserve.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Right, And that's a big like that's that's something like
ship where you got to get out of it, get
out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Lit up your own way.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, And I think I think also it's like I've
never been the kind of I've never believed in there
was just one person.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I've never believed there's like one person for certain times
of your life.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah. I mean, I don't have the answer, but I
think I more believe in that I believe in a
just one person, which maybe maybe kind of like that's
really interesting because I do believe in I believe like
the spirit of Adorn, you know, there's like a deep
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love there. But I don't know that there's just the
one person.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I don't mean to kill that for anyone or anything,
but I just I mean, you have some of the
most romantic songs of all time. People have gotten married
to your records.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's crazy. That's a trick.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, So we we don't want to dissuade anyone. It's
it's not meant to dissuade you, but yeah, I think
always time. Man, It's one of those ones that I
love it for how it did, how it does represent
a lot of change in perspective and a lot of growth,
a lot of growth and a lot of like different
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kind of love. You know. It's like, oh, love can
evolve to this place where you are actually looking out
for someone and for you know, especially when you know
that what they want and what you want maybe are
not in the same They're not aligning right now, and
so the best you know, you're looking out for their
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best interests?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is it kind of crazy to think that it's been
over fifteen years since your debut album.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's a trip, and you know the anniversary for that
is like in a month or something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So it's been pretty much exactly fifteen years. Yeah, so
it was November. It was the end of twenty ten. Yeah,
so we're approaching fifteen years. Fifteen years, man, All I
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pretty wild too, because you've had so many different errors
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of your career, But like, do you ever go back
and revisit your debut album?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Hmmm, I definitely go back and listen some I'll have
like I might have like a long drive and be like, yeah,
let's let's just go back you know what it was, like,
let's just be appreciative and like grat and just listen
out of just wanting to just kind of rego through
them and go like, no, you're on the right.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean I feel like that there is like a
such thing as timeless music, and you've put out so
much timeless music, so if you're listen like sure thing,
it still feels like like that's a forever song. All
I want is do is a forever song.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Man. That's dope. Man, it's a trip. But I will
say I'm very I'm proud of myself. I'm so grateful
for my fans. Like for the fans. It's true, man,
Like music is really how we decorate time, you know.
And I know everybody's got songs that will just take
them right to that car ride with you and your
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friends in the car in high school or college, or
that one that you had to dance with or when
you met the person or I mean, we have we
have these moments, and like, I'm really grateful to have
decorated memories for people with the music. Through the music,
it really does give you a sense of like being
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connected to something greater than yourself for sure. And and
it's really encouraging when you step in and it's time
to like, you know, put the get to the work,
to just remember that it's really all about the emotion
and how that can really give time, make it a moment,
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make time a moment. And so I've been blessed to
do it a couple of times, and shit, I don't
plan on stopping.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How cool was it to see a dorn get like
a random second run at radio, like you know, twelve
years later, man, like.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So to see like a song go from because we
have when I'm not sure if you mean sure thing?
St thing that was That was the one that, like
last year, I felt like the Dorn is gonna happen to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
A sure thing was the one that like out of nowhere,
It was like, why is there short things like twenty
five on the chart rhythm radio, pop radio? Was it TikTok?
Like what was it started at TikTok?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And then of course, like you know, that record going
number one at pop radio is and especially because it
didn't go we didn't we didn't even have a shot
at pop radio when it came out, not because the
song that wasn't doing what it needed to do, but
because of the antiquated way.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You were definitely in R and B box.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
The way the industry worked, the way all of that works,
and also believers that needed to be pulled and buttons
that needed to be pressed for a record to go
number one. It just it just it didn't happen. And
in the time that the record was released, so for
it to kind of happened out of nowhere, years later. Yeah,
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it's like at that time, it's a testament.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It was like lmfao Pitbull and Lady Got Guy at
pop radio.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
At pop radio, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That was the era.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That was the era. That was the era. So there's
no way, you know, sure Thing an R and B
record and at the time they would be like, that's
a that's like a ballad.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was too slow. It's crazy. A couple of years
years ago, you went.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Viral for being hung off some hooks out of your back.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Performing doing a suspension. Yeah, listen, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
What what is first? Well, how do you even like
get into that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
From suret Thing to suspension? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So, uh, that couldn't have been your first time doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, no, no, that was my third time doing Suspension.
I started exploring Suspension because the project was about pain,
and and that project actually evolved out of that experience.
This album evolved out of that experience and the conversation
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and that art piece was about that performance was about performance.
Art was about our relationship to pain and like why
we carry pain with pride, why we ignore pain, why
we make it a part of our identity? And what
how is it serving? You know? The real the real purpose,
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like what we're trying to accomplish, and you know, we
all got we all got shit that we're carrying. The
question is like do we need to carry it? Is
it some of it needs to be let go? Or
is it valid to honor? Is it important to honor?
And like actually taking a real considered approach about what
that means was what the piece was about. So yeah,
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did it hurt, No, it didn't hurt at all. Well,
I feel like people be into that ship like it's
a thing. Like I feel like it's like low key
like a kink for some people, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I feel like I don't know, it might be, it
might be. I think the practice of suspension is more
about I think everyone has their own meaning and I
definitely don't. I certainly don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Was that the last time you did it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's the last time I did it. I've done a suspension.
I'll do it again, though.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, just like a Friday, like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Get a babysitter Monday night football. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can either do that or you could be a
Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I'm definitely not that, but yeah, I get you I
get you. Yeah, it's you could some people like to
you know, people like suspension.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, no, I just thought I just it looked it
looked very painful. I was like, damn, like like the
they it's just whatever flap of skin you have that
they can get out of you.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they grab. Yeah, pretty pretty much. There's some points
that are like have been you know there? Yeah they
know that will work. But yeah, you find you find
an area in your body that can take the take
the hooks.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And how does that heal?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Who if it's on your back? If very slowly because
you will feel it, you know, sitting back it's like
you're like, oh, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
The car right, can't sit all.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The way back there?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To you? Man, you are dedicated to the art.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Dog No for sure. Yeah that's what ship? Yeah or
crazy or both? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
How dope was it? You know your lady is uh,
you know an a Doupe videographer director creative, and I
noticed that she has been collaborating with you, especially on
the martyrs video that came out. How dope is that?
To be able to kind of collaborate with with your
girl on shit like that? Man?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's a trip. I mean we're talking about like, like
the editor of Vogue, you know what I mean, Like
editor of Vogue is crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, that's wild to kind of work with someone who
who's output and is as significant and as impactful as
hers was in her tenure at Vogue China. I think
it's probably one of the coolest, coolest things to have
that kind of creative force behind and work with. It's
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a tremendous blessing. Man. I'm I'm I'm really proud of
the work that we've done. I think the best is
yet to be seen.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You guys have a bunch in the can.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We have Yeah, we have shit that's like coming. So
I'm like, I'm excited. And she's also was already directing
before that, and also like and already accomplished photographer before that,
and there's a lot of notable, impactful things she's done
before our tenure at Vogue China. But but to have
her her kind of really help keep everyone in line
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with the vision and to kind of help refine my
vision and to take it and to expand and build
upon has been It's been really fun, man, And I'm
excited for everyone to see the stuff that we have
coming she's she's like a force. Man, She's a force.
I couldn't have I could not have accomplished the things
that I have in these last two years without without
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having her like and and we weren't dating in the beginning,
so we would bounce ideas off of each other, right
and you know, just like riff, just like creative friends do.
Like I have a lot of friends that would just
talk shit and would just do that. What would it
be like if this happened or if this, But but
it's cool to kind of have done that and then
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like actually be working together.
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the Martyrs video is very powerful kind of break down
the concept for everybody who hasn't seen it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, So the song itself was always about.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
My favorite song on the album. Man, that's funky as hell.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Man, that's cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, got
into my programming and production bag on that. But uh,
the the song is about really doing something about the
anger and the angst that we have looking at everything
as it is right now. I mean, it's a lot
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of things that need to be addressed.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh, yeah, every day. You feel it when you have
your kids, Yeah too.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got it yet a nineteen year old at was twenty.
Now you have a nineteen year old twenty Yeah, what
well you backwards you look at I'm thirty eight. I
had them.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Exactly the same as when I met you, bro, like
the first time. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's those non existent Asian jeans about they weren't mine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
They were It's it's a trip though, man, It's it's
you know, I think, especially when you have kids, you're
looking at the world and.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You're like, change is the way you look at everything? Yeah,
it really like damn one days got to be in
this way. They got to deal with this ship and
maybe you won't be here. Yeah, to protect me, That's
that's so.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Valid, And all of the wanting to prepare it does
make it's it's made me hold myself accountable just daily,
but then also overall, it's like what am I putting
out in the world? What am I doing about what
I'm seeing that I don't But I don't want him
to have to confront or deal with what are things
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that he shouldn't need to see in this world at
this point? You know, you start to look at it
and you're like, man, we should be way past this.
We didn't came so far just to move backwards, you know,
to see things feel that way. The song really is
an expression in that of that feeling. And and I
think the video is just people. The concept was about
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people expressing what they believe in and speaking out or acting,
whether it be you know valid or it be you
know invalid, them actually doing something about what they believe in.
So so we track, you know, a girl who's who
is going for an abortion. She has to cross the
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state stands just leave the state. We we track a
group of kids who are going to a rally just
since but just everyday things people speaking out, you know,
a vank heist. You know, it's like they may have
a they may have a reason. But I do think
in terms of what we're experiencing, what we're seeing in
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the world right now, I feel like we're going to
see more extreme action being taken.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh man, it is wild, especially like I saw, like
well all I mean really since the ceasefire happened, right,
there's been no ceasefire.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Important to hit those the air quotes is real.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, it's it's man, It's like I tell I was
telling my boy this. I was like, bro, every time
I open up social media, like I want to crawl
on a ball and be like, what the It's just
it's trash. It's a lot, man, Yeah, it is a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think I'm the most The most frustrating part is
to know that we work hard every day. Everybody wakes
up and gets on the grind and they go trying
to provide for their families. And then we get taxed.
We're being overtaxed. We're being taxed double triple time.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's tax on this tax getting taxed.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's like you're paying ship that like you know, like
obviously there's income tax or state taxes all that shit,
but then you're also paying like our president's a dickhead
tax at the grocery store, have valid you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like, look, and we're all this money that's going to
our government and then they're making decisions on our behalf
without like with our money. It's crazy, which represents our effort,
our time we're working for war.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Or working so our politicians and random lead singers of
shitty rock groups can go sign bombs that get dropped
on children. Shit, man, it's fucking it's super fucked.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's wild, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I just sound like like even like like a couple
of weeks ago, it was the last week, like we
bailed out this Argentinian fucking president guy who's like kind
of like their version of Trump. And then you know,
I think they doubled it the forty billion dollars and
it's like, well, forty bill, we send so much money
to fucking Israel, but we can't. They got healthcare. We
ain't got health care. What the fuck is going on?
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It's wild.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's certainly like the kind of when you see it,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, and then the ice shit is like really that's
the ship. If you just open your phone every day
and you want to be like triggered, fucking just go
down that rabbit hole every day day with new videos
that come out of how they know my thing is
is like you got strange dudes jumping out of cars
with masks on, not identifying themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Also there's no due process, there's no due processes.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And it's like, yo, if if someone did that in
front of me and I was like in a state
where I was able to carry.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I might you might pull you might, yeah, you you
might go ahead and draw, Like, are you really you
know what I'm saying. It's it's I don't know that
everyone is. It's hitting everyone in terms of like where
it can go. You know. I think that's the the
scary part is like, Okay, well today it's you know.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think we're at the tip of the Iceberg. Man,
we're right there. They just made them the highest funded,
you know, agent agency. If you combine the CIA and
the FBI, they are still not as much as Ice.
It's kind of crazy. They're insensible. And then they're they're
doing all this incentivization like student loan for giveness, fifty
thousand dollars, sign up bonus.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah what oh yeah, it's oh yeah, they're trying to
make it attractive.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It is crazy. I did see you were wearing like
a jumpsuit and it had like free Sudan, free Congo
on it, like it said free Syria.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah Syria for sure, Congo.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Even the sirious shit is crazy, you know what's talking
about that? Like they really like overthrew a government for
a foreign nation. And the guy the crazy shit I
seen was I don't know if you know about the
zoron in New York. He's running, He's running from.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Mayor Man that debate.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
He oh, he's smoking.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Everybody smoke due.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But he did like he took a picture with somebody
who was like a suspect and some shit from like
nineteen ninety two or ninety ninety three or some shit.
And obviously the rights like, yo, can you believe, you know,
somebody's taking a picture with a terrorist apologist or whatever.
And it's like Donald Trump literally put a former ISIS
member him and Israel literally fucking overthrew the Syrian government.
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And now a former member of ISIS is the president
of Syria and was at the White House. He was
on the ISIS most Wanted FBI list. This motherfucker was
a designated terrorist by the United States government.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's crazy, I mean, but yeah, then you look at yeah, media,
you know media, the control of media by you know,
these corporate it's getting worse.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, the purchases being made recently, all of.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
The messaging is very intentional.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Do you did you feel like, because you know, I
felt like there was like a point in time where
like a lot of people might have been like a
little like weary or scared to kind of like talk
about what they're seeing with their own eyes if they will,
especially in the music industry. Did you ever feel that
or feel any blowback for taking that position.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
No, I think, Look, some people just want artists to
make a song for me, like make me shut. Yeah, yeah,
just go just dude, just don't. Like I listened, some
people listen to music for to escape and that's all.
That's all good. I think we need it all yeah, all,
I'm all, I'm what I'm going to do, what I'm
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gonna do. And and if you want, you know, Skywalker
for me a million times, you can always go back
and listen to Skywalker. You can always go back and
listen to sure Thing. And I'm sure I'll write fun
songs and love songs and sex songs in the future.
But I also want to do this, and I think
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and I and again, Giles is not about what I'm seeing,
just about what I'm seeing in the world. US is
mostly a reflection on my own internal bullshit that I'm
that I'm working through, that I wanted to talk about
that I feel is relatable and and also just kind
of drawing parallel to everything just like, look like we
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we have to deal with this shitty ass world and
we still have to try and be good and be
our best, and try and find the thing that is
important to us and what takes priority, and like have
principles and move with integrity and like all of these things,
Like this is a human experience. And I think what
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the album represents the most is not just how I
feel about this world, but also just how I feel
about the conversation I want to have with my audience.
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imagery on some of the single artwork, because you know,
a lot of people be like this motherfucker's got a
devil mask on a lot of devil ship. I don't
give a shit. I'm curious. What is your like, what's
what's the purpose of the imagery?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, so there's a there's it's homage. So it's actually
a cultural reference. I find this fast fascinating too, because
I think we like to assume a lot. Yeah, of course,
but but it's a cultural reference to a celebration that
that is celebrated across a few Latin Latin the Latin diaspora. Okay,
(28:09):
And it's called La Diablos, which is in Mexico. It's
it's a commemoration of African slaves freeing themselves from their
slave masters in Mexico. And I think more information you'll
find in Mexico will come from the celebration in Wahaka.
But I'm pulling from this this sort of cultural and
(28:33):
paying homage to this cultural celebration and drawing parallel to
and also like keying in on the fact that we
all have shadow work to do. There's all, there's there's
ship that we got to deal with within ourselves and
free ourselves from our own masters, from the ones that
are influencing us and driving us to do things that
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actually are not creating freedom in our lives the way
that we want to see it. And it's called analogy
for people who are like get really critical and about
you know, make it very literal, yes, but but yeah,
I think it was one of the finding the celebration
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was probably one of the dopest things in this process
and seeing how it actually really does it's it does
give an identity to like this like work that we
all were all doing. You know, I think inadvertently when
you're trying to better yourself. You got to do shadow work.
You got to make peace or get rid of or
(29:36):
kill off some of your demons.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I feel like you've always like made music that would
make me think that you've dabbled in some psychedelics. Is
that fear?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh yeah, we love psychedelics.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Can you give me your best trip dabbled? What's your
best trip? In your worst trip? You've ever had?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Best trip? I've had mostly good trips. Yeah, mostly good trips.
The best ones are always outside though, yeah, like out
like like either by water or in the forest kind
of vibe. Maybe not in the forest, but like like
the and the sky is out, you know what I mean.
(30:12):
Like you're looking at the trees and you're like, wow,
we really are One.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
One time I tripped out looking at a flame for
like an hour. I was like, Yo, that fire is
it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
There's a real there's a real something in like especially
shrimps and psychedelics, that there's something in the like we
are all it's all one, you know, there's the oneness
of it. I don't know, that's there's something. I never
had a bad trip, though I've had some bad trips.
They always ended up in me crying over some bullshit.
You just get feelings. Yeah, you just start thinking yeah, yeah, listen.
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The worst trip I had actually wasn't psychedelics. It was weed.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Did you eat it?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I ate it? It was it was edible, and I
was like under a car, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The worst trip I've ever had in my life was
definitely eating weed.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, it'll do it and you.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Can't get rid of it, and you're like, yeah, it's
like that, that's one of you.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Gotta write that out.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I had a cake pop once that I was only
supposed to have like a quarter of that. Mother. I
ate the whole joint. It's always that you're supposed to
eat a quarter of it. I randomly was at a
Yellow Wolf Ritz concert in fucking like twenty twelve or
some shit, yep, and it hit me because I ate it,
and I'm like thirty minutes past. I told my boy,
He's like, you sure, you're good. I'm like, brod, I
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don't feel that nothing, man, Listen, bro this. I was
in the middle of this concert. I could not move
my fucking legs. They were like they might as well.
I felt like I was drilled into the fucking concrete.
That's real and then I look on stage and there's
like a cartoon Garfield the cat on stage, and his
eyes was like moving like a fucking slot machine. Bro.
(31:55):
And then have you ever been so high where there's
a lot of people around that you could like in
on people's conversations from far away? You hear everything. You
hear it all like you hear everything that you're like
you wouldn't hear otherwise.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Gives you like superpowers. It's a trip. And do you
ever feel like, have you ever been so high where
you feel like you're on like a like a sitcom?
Like is this real?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yes, in the middle of one hundred percent? And whenever
I get that high, it's almost like the things that
would happen on a sitcom happen in front of me,
and you're like, wait a minute, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, craziness, craziness, Yo, can you speak to you? And
I feel like you and Jay Cole's careers kind of
started to really take off at the same time. Obviously,
you guys are so synonymous with each other in terms of,
you know, your first big record, and I mean obviously
his record was on his second album, but one of
them ones, But what was it? Like kind of like
(32:54):
being able to kind of share like that early you know,
you guys are both blog era artists.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Like, yeah, I feel I mean I might have this wrong.
As I remembered, it was like a Two Dope Boys
was like where I found where I first.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Heard probably shout to Me and Shake.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Was that ship shout out, shout out. I missed two
Do Me too. Yeah, I missed that era too, but yeah,
I think I had him and Kendrick. I was like
I heard I heard both of them on Two Dope
Boys and discovered them there. And Cole had mixtapes. Maybe
(33:30):
he had some album. Did he have an album?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, he probably had the mixtape run. It was like
the warm up and.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I think it was the warm up. It was
one of those Friday night lights cold. Forgive me if
I got that order wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I feel like all I want is you came out
before his first album.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, that was a that was an introductory record for
both of us in a lot of in a lot
of ways, and man, it's a dope It's a dope
school to be a you know, we're kind of the
we all came those that came up in that moment.
It's it's dope to see how it impacted music, how
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it has impacted music, and to see the see how
everyone is really made and carved, you know, their lanes
out and in ways that I think that we're going
to continue to like we we we at least have
like made an impact. And I can I can hear
Cole's influence, I can hear my influences, I can hear Kendrick,
(34:29):
I can hear all of my contemporary contemporaries and the
new music that's that's come out since then. And I
think this is the the kind of artist that I'm
so I'm really grateful to kind of be around and
in association with in terms of like that impact and
what have you. I'm really grateful to kind of be
(34:49):
a part of that class.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and you were like a part of the R
and B guys who were taking advantage of like like
I feel like the art Dealer she projects were like
just straight to the Internet for the fans.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah. I mean the amount of downloads on that that
shit at the time was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, I remember like getting them shits ondap pif bruh.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I mean these are sites that you'd have to know about, Yeah,
coming up. But yeah, we had some dope ones. We
have some dope moments.
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with Baby Bash back in the day.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is this true? I stated his crib a couple of time,
his crib. I stated his crib a couple of times. Man, Man,
Bash has seen me fucked up for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Now you this was around the time where Baby Bash
was a legendary swordsman.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'll say, oh, I mean to this day, but Baby
Bash has I've seen this full Yeah, there was a time.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It was the craziest Baby Bash story you had for us.
I'm sure you wouldn't mind you sharing, because he's told
some of us as.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
The Bash is the best at telling the stories. But
I'm just telling you his pull like when he would
pull up and who would be with him.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Crazy just bangbros.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
And then when he would leave, what was leaving with
him crazier it would be. It would be like that,
and also like just nonchalant, like no.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, he would always like every time we would hang out,
he would like, just tell me about the latest like
porn Shake he's taken down, and I'd be like that
that's left era because I think Bash is retired now,
but yeah, yeah, from that era, there's like every like
porn Chick that existed that was on Brassers or bang Bros.
Baby Bash has has a story about brasers are bang
(37:15):
Bros is crazy? It was an era all of them? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He was definitely. I mean he's he's kind of a
one on one. If you've ever hung out with Bash,
you know he's he's Capital P. You know what I
mean for Capital P?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Like him and the Stewies and the Stewie Bros. What's up, man?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I hope they're doing well having spoken now, I mean
Bash is bashing man.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You know, he's still running around doing like him and
empty magic touring and doing like one hundred and ninety
shows a year or something. Crazy. Yeah, it's wild. Also
just good people one hundred percent. What is uh for
you? Your most underrated project wild heart?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Mm hmm underrated. That'll catch up to them though, uh,
don't catch up to that one. I think. My I
think that's.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
What's the joint? What was the corrupt joint? Nwa? Man,
that's a hard fire.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Nwa.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Sorry, yeah, shout out corrupt, shout out to corrupt. Is
there anybody like that, because I feel like you're so
much a part of the like even though you know,
you make traditionally amazing R and B music when it
comes to just like the LA shit, is there anybody
who you've been paying attention to, you want to work with,
you're just a fan of, could be a singer, could
(38:32):
be a rapper or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think all of the man La right now. Who's
not in LA though right now? Everyone too, but you
mean from La.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
From La? From LA, I just mean like, yeah, I
feel like, you know, we've had this kind of resurgence
of like I guess the industry really really really looking
at LA. Shout out to uh, you know, Kendrick for
helping that twenty twenty twenty four runs.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Twenty four is legendary.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
All Timer put it in a rad that's like, uh
that Barry Bond season where he was on HGH.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, without the without insane. I mean LA. I think
there's so many that I haven't worked with from LA.
I think it's kind of like there's a lot of
catching up.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Have you ever connected with Ramble? He's from your hometown. Yeah,
Rambles from sam Piedro, I believe so. Yeah, he's a
part of the Stink team with Draco before Draco passed away.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Man I did not know that. Yeah, that would be hard.
I think there's a project of like collapse that should come.
I was I've just been talking about this like I
feel like I'm making it happen in real time.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Like where you just do like a whole project where
it's just like every song has a feature.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I just now, I just want to like produce and
like I'll either just produce or I'll do production and
like sing the hook.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How much of this album did you produce?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
A lot? This one more than the last a lot
of it. I'm playing drums on on this album New Martyrs,
You're joint I produce. That's tough, Thank you, thank you.
I'm on Chaos, I'm on I'm through throughout the album.
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There's maybe two songs that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Produce that I'm not like that you're that you didn't touch?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah that I didn't touch.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, that's fine. Who is like, uh if you had?
Because I feel like there's so many dope hip hop
albums where we've seen, like you know, hit Boy work
with Nas or Alchemists work with Freddie Gibbs, if you
can lock in with one producer, because I feel like
you and me have a dope joint, Like, who would
be that one producer if you could just lock in, Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
That's so hard, I need project.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You could pick anybody. Man holds the hard part.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's not because I think there are there's there's a
couple of that would be incredible. Salamis for sure one.
I've said this before. Dave Sidik is one fly Low
would crazy, I've worked man. Oh who else am I thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
A little slept on you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, it's actually kind of crazy. So we did work
real quick, like one one two hour ideas, real quick soundway,
that would be crazy. Dah, he would be crazy for sure.
He's on this album. He's actually produced though.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh dope.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
A lot of Spanish on the album.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, a lot of Spanish. Yeah, that's that like when
you really start to get down to your who you
are and you I think you find what I found
was a lot more pride and like, not that I
wasn't proud of who I am, but I think it's
just more solid and I think that naturally just led
(41:56):
to more Spanish on the album.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Well, that album is dope. It's not called Chaos, by
the way, guys, Kyle, Chaos is the work though. I
just assumed you were like being artsy with your spelling
of chaos.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I was checked it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
It's chaos, yeah, with Gail's so fucking artsy ship rock
right right, I had to be so fine.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well yeah, it's chaos. Got you? Oh yeah, Kyles?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah in Spanish Man, October twenty third, that's uh Friday, right, Thursday,
Thursday night crazy, nine pm, that's right, yeah, Thursday night
nine pm ps T.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go support the album.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Get the album.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
By it on vinyl, bit on CD by records, By
the Records. Do you think it's kind of dope? Vinyl's
coming back. It's like time it's been, it's been on
the up crazy and now.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's are you doing different variants of your vinyl? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I have. So there's a special edition vinyl that you
can only get on my site S one C dot
l A. And then of course there's like the the original,
you know, just the just the standard release.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah. I feel like that's the one thing. Man the
you know who, obviously you know, the Alchemist, the Alchemist,
murdering man, he's got you got that die. Every time
he drops he does like five different variants because like
there's like the super limited one, it's like a hundred bucks,
and then that sells out and then we can buy the.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
But listen, Miguel, I appreciate you, man, appreciate you having
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Let's get into the interview Yo, Bootleg keV Show, BOOTLEGV
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Man, thanks for having me, Broy Miguel.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah. The new album Chaos.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Kyles, Let's go wrong Chaos Kyles Cows. Yeah, well we
got to get this right, yeah, Kiles is the right?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay? All right? Yeah, because in my head I'm like chaos,
but just in like a yeah, so breakdown Cows.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Kyles is this album is about making the kind of
creating the opportunity out of the madness and really like
looking at looking at what's in front of you and
just really really getting to the core of like what's working,
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what's not working. I think it's an aggressive things. It's
aggressive album.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
How long uh like did it take for like I
guess kind of like was it like the process in
terms of years? Was it you know?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Eight years?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It spans eight years?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Right. I feel like there's certain records like the always
Time record in a long time man, can you tell
me about that Always Time record because it feels like
it feels like such a like romantically like heartbreaking like
breakup song. Yeah, like it's a tough record, especially like
I'm someone who's married and is you know obviously as
with every other you know, relationship that anyone's ever been in,
(02:33):
there's always like peaks and valleys, and you always like,
that's like such a record that like cut through man
to man. Appreciate that man, like when when when was
that record? Was that when when you were going through
it with your previous situation or man?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
That song, that song transformed a couple of times. It
was originally a positive song. It was like, but there's
always time you love this hard, and you know, over
time it became I thought there was always time.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Like maybe the real love is like letting you go.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's the true life. Life will do that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Though, when you get to that point, is it like
is there something like like is there something that's like
beautiful about that getting to that point with somebody where
it's like, well, you know what, I love you so
much that I gotta let you like this. This isn't
you know, for us or for you rather.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
The Yeah, I think when you can when you're able
to see see things clearly and that it's not it's
not something that is gonna be when you love someone
enough to let them go because you know that you
can't do and be what they deserve.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Right, And that's a big like that's that's something like
ship where you got to get out of it, get
out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Lit up your own way.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, And I think I think also it's like I've
never been the kind of I've never believed in there
was just one person.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I've never believed there's like one person for certain times
of your life.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah. I mean, I don't have the answer, but I
think I more believe in that I believe in a
just one person, which maybe maybe kind of like that's
really interesting because I do believe in I believe like
the spirit of Adorn, you know, there's like a deep
(04:25):
love there. But I don't know that there's just the
one person.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I don't mean to kill that for anyone or anything,
but I just I mean, you have some of the
most romantic songs of all time. People have gotten married
to your records.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's crazy. That's a trick.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, So we we don't want to dissuade anyone. It's
it's not meant to dissuade you, but yeah, I think
always time. Man, It's one of those ones that I
love it for how it did, how it does represent
a lot of change in perspective and a lot of growth,
a lot of growth and a lot of like different
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kind of love. You know. It's like, oh, love can
evolve to this place where you are actually looking out
for someone and for you know, especially when you know
that what they want and what you want maybe are
not in the same They're not aligning right now, and
so the best you know, you're looking out for their
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best interests?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is it kind of crazy to think that it's been
over fifteen years since your debut album.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's a trip, and you know the anniversary for that
is like in a month or something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So it's been pretty much exactly fifteen years. Yeah, so
it was November. It was the end of twenty ten. Yeah,
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socks dot Com. Let's get back to the interviews. It's
pretty wild too, because you've had so many different errors
(07:22):
of your career, But like, do you ever go back
and revisit your debut album?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Hmmm, I definitely go back and listen some I'll have
like I might have like a long drive and be like, yeah,
let's let's just go back you know what it was, like,
let's just be appreciative and like grat and just listen
out of just wanting to just kind of rego through
them and go like, no, you're on the right.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean I feel like that there is like a
such thing as timeless music, and you've put out so
much timeless music, so if you're listen like sure thing,
it still feels like like that's a forever song. All
I want is do is a forever song.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Man. That's dope. Man, it's a trip. But I will
say I'm very I'm proud of myself. I'm so grateful
for my fans. Like for the fans. It's true, man,
Like music is really how we decorate time, you know.
And I know everybody's got songs that will just take
them right to that car ride with you and your
(08:21):
friends in the car in high school or college, or
that one that you had to dance with or when
you met the person or I mean, we have we
have these moments, and like, I'm really grateful to have
decorated memories for people with the music. Through the music,
it really does give you a sense of like being
(08:43):
connected to something greater than yourself for sure. And and
it's really encouraging when you step in and it's time
to like, you know, put the get to the work,
to just remember that it's really all about the emotion
and how that can really give time, make it a moment,
(09:05):
make time a moment. And so I've been blessed to
do it a couple of times, and shit, I don't
plan on stopping.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How cool was it to see a dorn get like
a random second run at radio, like you know, twelve
years later, man, like.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So to see like a song go from because we
have when I'm not sure if you mean sure thing?
St thing that was That was the one that, like
last year, I felt like the Dorn is gonna happen to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
A sure thing was the one that like out of nowhere,
It was like, why is there short things like twenty
five on the chart rhythm radio, pop radio? Was it TikTok?
Like what was it started at TikTok?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And then of course, like you know, that record going
number one at pop radio is and especially because it
didn't go we didn't we didn't even have a shot
at pop radio when it came out, not because the
song that wasn't doing what it needed to do, but
because of the antiquated way.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You were definitely in R and B box.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
The way the industry worked, the way all of that works,
and also believers that needed to be pulled and buttons
that needed to be pressed for a record to go
number one. It just it just it didn't happen. And
in the time that the record was released, so for
it to kind of happened out of nowhere, years later. Yeah,
(10:37):
it's like at that time, it's a testament.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It was like lmfao Pitbull and Lady Got Guy at
pop radio.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
At pop radio, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That was the era.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That was the era. That was the era. So there's
no way, you know, sure Thing an R and B
record and at the time they would be like, that's
a that's like a ballad.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was too slow. It's crazy. A couple of years
years ago, you went.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Viral for being hung off some hooks out of your back.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Performing doing a suspension. Yeah, listen, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
What what is first? Well, how do you even like
get into that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
From suret Thing to suspension? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So, uh, that couldn't have been your first time doing that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, no, no, that was my third time doing Suspension.
I started exploring Suspension because the project was about pain,
and and that project actually evolved out of that experience.
This album evolved out of that experience and the conversation
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and that art piece was about that performance was about performance.
Art was about our relationship to pain and like why
we carry pain with pride, why we ignore pain, why
we make it a part of our identity? And what
how is it serving? You know? The real the real purpose,
(12:02):
like what we're trying to accomplish, and you know, we
all got we all got shit that we're carrying. The
question is like do we need to carry it? Is
it some of it needs to be let go? Or
is it valid to honor? Is it important to honor?
And like actually taking a real considered approach about what
that means was what the piece was about. So yeah,
(12:24):
did it hurt, No, it didn't hurt at all. Well,
I feel like people be into that ship like it's
a thing. Like I feel like it's like low key
like a kink for some people, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I feel like I don't know, it might be, it
might be. I think the practice of suspension is more
about I think everyone has their own meaning and I
definitely don't. I certainly don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Was that the last time you did it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's the last time I did it. I've done a suspension.
I'll do it again, though.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, just like a Friday, like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Get a babysitter Monday night football. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can either do that or you could be a
Cowboys fan.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I'm definitely not that, but yeah, I get you I
get you. Yeah, it's you could some people like to
you know, people like suspension.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, no, I just thought I just it looked it
looked very painful. I was like, damn, like like the
they it's just whatever flap of skin you have that
they can get out of you.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they grab. Yeah, pretty pretty much. There's some points
that are like have been you know there? Yeah they
know that will work. But yeah, you find you find
an area in your body that can take the take
the hooks.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And how does that heal?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Who if it's on your back? If very slowly because
you will feel it, you know, sitting back it's like
you're like, oh, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
The car right, can't sit all.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The way back there?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To you? Man, you are dedicated to the art.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Dog No for sure. Yeah that's what ship? Yeah or
crazy or both? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
How dope was it? You know your lady is uh,
you know an a Doupe videographer director creative, and I
noticed that she has been collaborating with you, especially on
the martyrs video that came out. How dope is that?
To be able to kind of collaborate with with your
girl on shit like that? Man?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's a trip. I mean we're talking about like, like
the editor of Vogue, you know what I mean, Like
editor of Vogue is crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, that's wild to kind of work with someone who
who's output and is as significant and as impactful as
hers was in her tenure at Vogue China. I think
it's probably one of the coolest, coolest things to have
that kind of creative force behind and work with. It's
(14:47):
a tremendous blessing. Man. I'm I'm I'm really proud of
the work that we've done. I think the best is
yet to be seen.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You guys have a bunch in the can.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We have Yeah, we have shit that's like coming. So
I'm like, I'm excited. And she's also was already directing
before that, and also like and already accomplished photographer before that,
and there's a lot of notable, impactful things she's done
before our tenure at Vogue China. But but to have
her her kind of really help keep everyone in line
(15:20):
with the vision and to kind of help refine my
vision and to take it and to expand and build
upon has been It's been really fun, man, And I'm
excited for everyone to see the stuff that we have
coming she's she's like a force. Man, She's a force.
I couldn't have I could not have accomplished the things
that I have in these last two years without without
(15:45):
having her like and and we weren't dating in the beginning,
so we would bounce ideas off of each other, right
and you know, just like riff, just like creative friends do.
Like I have a lot of friends that would just
talk shit and would just do that. What would it
be like if this happened or if this, But but
it's cool to kind of have done that and then
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like actually be working together.
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the Martyrs video is very powerful kind of break down
the concept for everybody who hasn't seen it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, So the song itself was always about.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
My favorite song on the album. Man, that's funky as hell.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Man, that's cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, got
into my programming and production bag on that. But uh,
the the song is about really doing something about the
anger and the angst that we have looking at everything
as it is right now. I mean, it's a lot
(17:42):
of things that need to be addressed.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh, yeah, every day. You feel it when you have
your kids, Yeah too.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got it yet a nineteen year old at was twenty.
Now you have a nineteen year old twenty Yeah, what
well you backwards you look at I'm thirty eight. I
had them.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Exactly the same as when I met you, bro, like
the first time. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's those non existent Asian jeans about they weren't mine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
They were It's it's a trip though, man, It's it's
you know, I think, especially when you have kids, you're
looking at the world and.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You're like, change is the way you look at everything? Yeah,
it really like damn one days got to be in
this way. They got to deal with this ship and
maybe you won't be here. Yeah, to protect me, That's
that's so.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Valid, And all of the wanting to prepare it does
make it's it's made me hold myself accountable just daily,
but then also overall, it's like what am I putting
out in the world? What am I doing about what
I'm seeing that I don't But I don't want him
to have to confront or deal with what are things
(18:49):
that he shouldn't need to see in this world at
this point? You know, you start to look at it
and you're like, man, we should be way past this.
We didn't came so far just to move backwards, you know,
to see things feel that way. The song really is
an expression in that of that feeling. And and I
think the video is just people. The concept was about
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people expressing what they believe in and speaking out or acting,
whether it be you know valid or it be you
know invalid, them actually doing something about what they believe in.
So so we track, you know, a girl who's who
is going for an abortion. She has to cross the
(19:33):
state stands just leave the state. We we track a
group of kids who are going to a rally just
since but just everyday things people speaking out, you know,
a vank heist. You know, it's like they may have
a they may have a reason. But I do think
in terms of what we're experiencing, what we're seeing in
(19:55):
the world right now, I feel like we're going to
see more extreme action being taken.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh man, it is wild, especially like I saw, like
well all I mean really since the ceasefire happened, right,
there's been no ceasefire.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Important to hit those the air quotes is real.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, it's it's man, It's like I tell I was
telling my boy this. I was like, bro, every time
I open up social media, like I want to crawl
on a ball and be like, what the It's just
it's trash. It's a lot, man, Yeah, it is a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think I'm the most The most frustrating part is
to know that we work hard every day. Everybody wakes
up and gets on the grind and they go trying
to provide for their families. And then we get taxed.
We're being overtaxed. We're being taxed double triple time.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's tax on this tax getting taxed.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's like you're paying ship that like you know, like
obviously there's income tax or state taxes all that shit,
but then you're also paying like our president's a dickhead
tax at the grocery store, have valid you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like, look, and we're all this money that's going to
our government and then they're making decisions on our behalf
without like with our money. It's crazy, which represents our effort,
our time we're working for war.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Or working so our politicians and random lead singers of
shitty rock groups can go sign bombs that get dropped
on children. Shit, man, it's fucking it's super fucked.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's wild, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I just sound like like even like like a couple
of weeks ago, it was the last week, like we
bailed out this Argentinian fucking president guy who's like kind
of like their version of Trump. And then you know,
I think they doubled it the forty billion dollars and
it's like, well, forty bill, we send so much money
to fucking Israel, but we can't. They got healthcare. We
ain't got health care. What the fuck is going on?
(21:44):
It's wild.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's certainly like the kind of when you see it,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, and then the ice shit is like really that's
the ship. If you just open your phone every day
and you want to be like triggered, fucking just go
down that rabbit hole every day day with new videos
that come out of how they know my thing is
is like you got strange dudes jumping out of cars
with masks on, not identifying themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Also there's no due process, there's no due processes.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And it's like, yo, if if someone did that in
front of me and I was like in a state
where I was able to carry.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I might you might pull you might, yeah, you you
might go ahead and draw, Like, are you really you
know what I'm saying. It's it's I don't know that
everyone is. It's hitting everyone in terms of like where
it can go. You know. I think that's the the
scary part is like, Okay, well today it's you know.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think we're at the tip of the Iceberg. Man,
we're right there. They just made them the highest funded,
you know, agent agency. If you combine the CIA and
the FBI, they are still not as much as Ice.
It's kind of crazy. They're insensible. And then they're they're
doing all this incentivization like student loan for giveness, fifty
thousand dollars, sign up bonus.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah what oh yeah, it's oh yeah, they're trying to
make it attractive.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It is crazy. I did see you were wearing like
a jumpsuit and it had like free Sudan, free Congo
on it, like it said free Syria.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah Syria for sure, Congo.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Even the sirious shit is crazy, you know what's talking
about that? Like they really like overthrew a government for
a foreign nation. And the guy the crazy shit I
seen was I don't know if you know about the
zoron in New York. He's running, He's running from.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Mayor Man that debate.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
He oh, he's smoking.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Everybody smoke due.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But he did like he took a picture with somebody
who was like a suspect and some shit from like
nineteen ninety two or ninety ninety three or some shit.
And obviously the rights like, yo, can you believe, you know,
somebody's taking a picture with a terrorist apologist or whatever.
And it's like Donald Trump literally put a former ISIS
member him and Israel literally fucking overthrew the Syrian government.
(23:58):
And now a former member of ISIS is the president
of Syria and was at the White House. He was
on the ISIS most Wanted FBI list. This motherfucker was
a designated terrorist by the United States government.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's crazy, I mean, but yeah, then you look at yeah, media,
you know media, the control of media by you know,
these corporate it's getting worse.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, the purchases being made recently, all of.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
The messaging is very intentional.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Do you did you feel like, because you know, I
felt like there was like a point in time where
like a lot of people might have been like a
little like weary or scared to kind of like talk
about what they're seeing with their own eyes if they will,
especially in the music industry. Did you ever feel that
or feel any blowback for taking that position.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
No, I think, Look, some people just want artists to
make a song for me, like make me shut. Yeah, yeah,
just go just dude, just don't. Like I listened, some
people listen to music for to escape and that's all.
That's all good. I think we need it all yeah, all,
I'm all, I'm what I'm going to do, what I'm
(25:10):
gonna do. And and if you want, you know, Skywalker
for me a million times, you can always go back
and listen to Skywalker. You can always go back and
listen to sure Thing. And I'm sure I'll write fun
songs and love songs and sex songs in the future.
But I also want to do this, and I think
(25:30):
and I and again, Giles is not about what I'm seeing,
just about what I'm seeing in the world. US is
mostly a reflection on my own internal bullshit that I'm
that I'm working through, that I wanted to talk about
that I feel is relatable and and also just kind
of drawing parallel to everything just like, look like we
(25:55):
we have to deal with this shitty ass world and
we still have to try and be good and be
our best, and try and find the thing that is
important to us and what takes priority, and like have
principles and move with integrity and like all of these things,
Like this is a human experience. And I think what
(26:17):
the album represents the most is not just how I
feel about this world, but also just how I feel
about the conversation I want to have with my audience.
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Can you give me a breakdown on some of the
imagery on some of the single artwork, because you know,
a lot of people be like this motherfucker's got a
devil mask on a lot of devil ship. I don't
give a shit. I'm curious. What is your like, what's
what's the purpose of the imagery?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, so there's a there's it's homage. So it's actually
a cultural reference. I find this fast fascinating too, because
I think we like to assume a lot. Yeah, of course,
but but it's a cultural reference to a celebration that
that is celebrated across a few Latin Latin the Latin diaspora. Okay,
(28:09):
And it's called La Diablos, which is in Mexico. It's
it's a commemoration of African slaves freeing themselves from their
slave masters in Mexico. And I think more information you'll
find in Mexico will come from the celebration in Wahaka.
But I'm pulling from this this sort of cultural and
(28:33):
paying homage to this cultural celebration and drawing parallel to
and also like keying in on the fact that we
all have shadow work to do. There's all, there's there's
ship that we got to deal with within ourselves and
free ourselves from our own masters, from the ones that
are influencing us and driving us to do things that
(28:53):
actually are not creating freedom in our lives the way
that we want to see it. And it's called analogy
for people who are like get really critical and about
you know, make it very literal, yes, but but yeah,
I think it was one of the finding the celebration
(29:13):
was probably one of the dopest things in this process
and seeing how it actually really does it's it does
give an identity to like this like work that we
all were all doing. You know, I think inadvertently when
you're trying to better yourself. You got to do shadow work.
You got to make peace or get rid of or
(29:36):
kill off some of your demons.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I feel like you've always like made music that would
make me think that you've dabbled in some psychedelics. Is
that fear?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh yeah, we love psychedelics.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Can you give me your best trip dabbled? What's your
best trip? In your worst trip? You've ever had?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Best trip? I've had mostly good trips. Yeah, mostly good trips.
The best ones are always outside though, yeah, like out
like like either by water or in the forest kind
of vibe. Maybe not in the forest, but like like
the and the sky is out, you know what I mean.
(30:12):
Like you're looking at the trees and you're like, wow,
we really are One.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
One time I tripped out looking at a flame for
like an hour. I was like, Yo, that fire is
it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
There's a real there's a real something in like especially
shrimps and psychedelics, that there's something in the like we
are all it's all one, you know, there's the oneness
of it. I don't know, that's there's something. I never
had a bad trip, though I've had some bad trips.
They always ended up in me crying over some bullshit.
You just get feelings. Yeah, you just start thinking yeah, yeah, listen.
(30:47):
The worst trip I had actually wasn't psychedelics. It was weed.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Did you eat it?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I ate it? It was it was edible, and I
was like under a car, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The worst trip I've ever had in my life was
definitely eating weed.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, it'll do it and you.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Can't get rid of it, and you're like, yeah, it's
like that, that's one of you.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Gotta write that out.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I had a cake pop once that I was only
supposed to have like a quarter of that. Mother. I
ate the whole joint. It's always that you're supposed to
eat a quarter of it. I randomly was at a
Yellow Wolf Ritz concert in fucking like twenty twelve or
some shit, yep, and it hit me because I ate it,
and I'm like thirty minutes past. I told my boy,
He's like, you sure, you're good. I'm like, brod, I
(31:31):
don't feel that nothing, man, Listen, bro this. I was
in the middle of this concert. I could not move
my fucking legs. They were like they might as well.
I felt like I was drilled into the fucking concrete.
That's real and then I look on stage and there's
like a cartoon Garfield the cat on stage, and his
eyes was like moving like a fucking slot machine. Bro.
(31:55):
And then have you ever been so high where there's
a lot of people around that you could like in
on people's conversations from far away? You hear everything. You
hear it all like you hear everything that you're like
you wouldn't hear otherwise.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Gives you like superpowers. It's a trip. And do you
ever feel like, have you ever been so high where
you feel like you're on like a like a sitcom?
Like is this real?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yes, in the middle of one hundred percent? And whenever
I get that high, it's almost like the things that
would happen on a sitcom happen in front of me,
and you're like, wait a minute, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, craziness, craziness, Yo, can you speak to you? And
I feel like you and Jay Cole's careers kind of
started to really take off at the same time. Obviously,
you guys are so synonymous with each other in terms of,
you know, your first big record, and I mean obviously
his record was on his second album, but one of
them ones, But what was it? Like kind of like
(32:54):
being able to kind of share like that early you know,
you guys are both blog era artists.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Like, yeah, I feel I mean I might have this wrong.
As I remembered, it was like a Two Dope Boys
was like where I found where I first.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Heard probably shout to Me and Shake.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Was that ship shout out, shout out. I missed two
Do Me too. Yeah, I missed that era too, but yeah,
I think I had him and Kendrick. I was like
I heard I heard both of them on Two Dope
Boys and discovered them there. And Cole had mixtapes. Maybe
(33:30):
he had some album. Did he have an album?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, he probably had the mixtape run. It was like
the warm up and.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I think it was the warm up. It was
one of those Friday night lights cold. Forgive me if
I got that order wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I feel like all I want is you came out
before his first album.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, that was a that was an introductory record for
both of us in a lot of in a lot
of ways, and man, it's a dope It's a dope
school to be a you know, we're kind of the
we all came those that came up in that moment.
It's it's dope to see how it impacted music, how
(34:07):
it has impacted music, and to see the see how
everyone is really made and carved, you know, their lanes
out and in ways that I think that we're going
to continue to like we we we at least have
like made an impact. And I can I can hear
Cole's influence, I can hear my influences, I can hear Kendrick,
(34:29):
I can hear all of my contemporary contemporaries and the
new music that's that's come out since then. And I
think this is the the kind of artist that I'm
so I'm really grateful to kind of be around and
in association with in terms of like that impact and
what have you. I'm really grateful to kind of be
(34:49):
a part of that class.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and you were like a part of the R
and B guys who were taking advantage of like like
I feel like the art Dealer she projects were like
just straight to the Internet for the fans.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah. I mean the amount of downloads on that that
shit at the time was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, I remember like getting them shits ondap pif bruh.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I mean these are sites that you'd have to know about, Yeah,
coming up. But yeah, we had some dope ones. We
have some dope moments.
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Let's get back to the interview. You used to live
with Baby Bash back in the day.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is this true? I stated his crib a couple of time,
his crib. I stated his crib a couple of times. Man, Man,
Bash has seen me fucked up for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Now you this was around the time where Baby Bash
was a legendary swordsman.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'll say, oh, I mean to this day, but Baby
Bash has I've seen this full Yeah, there was a time.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It was the craziest Baby Bash story you had for us.
I'm sure you wouldn't mind you sharing, because he's told
some of us as.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
The Bash is the best at telling the stories. But
I'm just telling you his pull like when he would
pull up and who would be with him.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Crazy just bangbros.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
And then when he would leave, what was leaving with
him crazier it would be. It would be like that,
and also like just nonchalant, like no.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, he would always like every time we would hang out,
he would like, just tell me about the latest like
porn Shake he's taken down, and I'd be like that
that's left era because I think Bash is retired now,
but yeah, yeah, from that era, there's like every like
porn Chick that existed that was on Brassers or bang Bros.
Baby Bash has has a story about brasers are bang
(37:15):
Bros is crazy? It was an era all of them? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He was definitely. I mean he's he's kind of a
one on one. If you've ever hung out with Bash,
you know he's he's Capital P. You know what I
mean for Capital P?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Like him and the Stewies and the Stewie Bros. What's up, man?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I hope they're doing well having spoken now, I mean
Bash is bashing man.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
You know, he's still running around doing like him and
empty magic touring and doing like one hundred and ninety
shows a year or something. Crazy. Yeah, it's wild. Also
just good people one hundred percent. What is uh for
you? Your most underrated project wild heart?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Mm hmm underrated. That'll catch up to them though, uh,
don't catch up to that one. I think. My I
think that's.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
What's the joint? What was the corrupt joint? Nwa? Man,
that's a hard fire.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Nwa.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Sorry, yeah, shout out corrupt, shout out to corrupt. Is
there anybody like that, because I feel like you're so
much a part of the like even though you know,
you make traditionally amazing R and B music when it
comes to just like the LA shit, is there anybody
who you've been paying attention to, you want to work with,
you're just a fan of, could be a singer, could
(38:32):
be a rapper or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think all of the man La right now. Who's
not in LA though right now? Everyone too, but you
mean from La.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
From La? From LA, I just mean like, yeah, I
feel like, you know, we've had this kind of resurgence
of like I guess the industry really really really looking
at LA. Shout out to uh, you know, Kendrick for
helping that twenty twenty twenty four runs.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Twenty four is legendary.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
All Timer put it in a rad that's like, uh
that Barry Bond season where he was on HGH.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, without the without insane. I mean LA. I think
there's so many that I haven't worked with from LA.
I think it's kind of like there's a lot of
catching up.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Have you ever connected with Ramble? He's from your hometown. Yeah,
Rambles from sam Piedro, I believe so. Yeah, he's a
part of the Stink team with Draco before Draco passed away.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Man I did not know that. Yeah, that would be hard.
I think there's a project of like collapse that should come.
I was I've just been talking about this like I
feel like I'm making it happen in real time.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Like where you just do like a whole project where
it's just like every song has a feature.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I just now, I just want to like produce and
like I'll either just produce or I'll do production and
like sing the hook.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How much of this album did you produce?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
A lot? This one more than the last a lot
of it. I'm playing drums on on this album New Martyrs,
You're joint I produce. That's tough, Thank you, thank you.
I'm on Chaos, I'm on I'm through throughout the album.
(40:18):
There's maybe two songs that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Produce that I'm not like that you're that you didn't touch?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah that I didn't touch.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, that's fine. Who is like, uh if you had?
Because I feel like there's so many dope hip hop
albums where we've seen, like you know, hit Boy work
with Nas or Alchemists work with Freddie Gibbs, if you
can lock in with one producer, because I feel like
you and me have a dope joint, Like, who would
be that one producer if you could just lock in, Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
That's so hard, I need project.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You could pick anybody. Man holds the hard part.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's not because I think there are there's there's a
couple of that would be incredible. Salamis for sure one.
I've said this before. Dave Sidik is one fly Low
would crazy, I've worked man. Oh who else am I thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
A little slept on you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, it's actually kind of crazy. So we did work
real quick, like one one two hour ideas, real quick soundway,
that would be crazy. Dah, he would be crazy for sure.
He's on this album. He's actually produced though.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh dope.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
A lot of Spanish on the album.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, a lot of Spanish. Yeah, that's that like when
you really start to get down to your who you
are and you I think you find what I found
was a lot more pride and like, not that I
wasn't proud of who I am, but I think it's
just more solid and I think that naturally just led
(41:56):
to more Spanish on the album.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Well, that album is dope. It's not called Chaos, by
the way, guys, Kyle, Chaos is the work though. I
just assumed you were like being artsy with your spelling
of chaos.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I was checked it.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
It's chaos, yeah, with Gail's so fucking artsy ship rock
right right, I had to be so fine.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well yeah, it's chaos. Got you? Oh yeah, Kyles?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah in Spanish Man, October twenty third, that's uh Friday, right, Thursday,
Thursday night crazy, nine pm, that's right, yeah, Thursday night
nine pm ps T.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go support the album.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Get the album.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
By it on vinyl, bit on CD by records, By
the Records. Do you think it's kind of dope? Vinyl's
coming back. It's like time it's been, it's been on
the up crazy and now.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's are you doing different variants of your vinyl? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I have. So there's a special edition vinyl that you
can only get on my site S one C dot
l A. And then of course there's like the the original,
you know, just the just the standard release.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah. I feel like that's the one thing. Man the
you know who, obviously you know, the Alchemist, the Alchemist,
murdering man, he's got you got that die. Every time
he drops he does like five different variants because like
there's like the super limited one, it's like a hundred bucks,
and then that sells out and then we can buy the.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
But listen, Miguel, I appreciate you, man, appreciate you having
me go support the album. Yeah, go get that. That's it, right,
you got it. That's right, my guy. There it is
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