#603 - Jay Worthy Talks “Once Upon a Time,” Finding His Sound, A&R Work, Freeway Rick Ross, Kendrick & More

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an interview right now though, Come on all right man,
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my bro Jayworthy.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
What up keV? Have you be back?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes, sir, So we got to talk about this your
debut album. It's a double disc Once upon a Time, Yes, sir.
It's crazy to think that this is your debut solo
album because you have such an insane catalog of music.
But like you said it, you're like, yo, every one
of my projects has either been fully with the producer
or fully like a collab with another artist.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's true. So I wanted to give people a real
studio album. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
What was like for you? Because you've been putting this
body of work together for a long time, long time.
What has the process been like if you had to say,
just like the amount of time like when you first.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Started, Well, I mean it's crazy because you got records
on there like Reckless that was supposed to be on
active when I started with Yam, So you got records
on there that are actually older than ten years one.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So there's there's a. Yeah, there's a red a.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Ten year process. Man. I feel like when people tell you,
you know, it takes like ten years to get to
where you really need to be, ten years to make it,
I feel like that's really real because I could have
been in the game. But I feel like now the
eyes are on me. I've worked up to this point
to where people are wanting to listen to a debut

(02:29):
solo album from Jayworthy. You know what I'm saying. I
got the history, I made, the moves, the pop out,
the collaboration albums, you know what I'm saying. So the
time is now we hear. I'm very proud of this
body of work, and I felt like, because it took
such a long time to put it together, it was
only right to give you all a double disc. You

(02:52):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You've taken like such an interesting, I guess like approach
to the music game because you've always kind of been
like around and then you kind of turned that into
like this catalog of incredible music. Like when did you
kind of realize like you were onto something when it
came to just like collapping with producers and just like
reaching out to artists and being like yo, let's let's

(03:13):
get in.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like when was the f Like, well, I think this.
I think when I wanted to do something different, because
I when I was doing Jayworthy, the only thing that
I had out was a tape with DJ Mustard and
that really wasn't my sound.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
What year was that?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Ooh? That was probably twenty ten, And that's when Nima
came knocking on my door because you know what I'm saying.
I knew Nima was like, yo, I run dub CNN,
but I also have this distribution company called Empire, and
I'm like, damn, just from dropping this mixtape. So and
you know at this point, like I'm just one foot

(03:48):
in this, one foot in that, like I wasn't really
taking music too seriously. So yeah, that that uh yeah
when was that? That was twenty ten? What was the question?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I was just saying, like when did you kind of
like hit your stride where you were like okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So so after all, right, that was Jayworthy. I wanted
to do something that that that wasn't really my sound.
So when I formed London Drugs with Sean, we actually
made a sound. I think that's very important for every
artist to have their own sound. And own identity that
led Alchemists to hitting me up, Carlo got Wings to
hitting me up, who else, Harry Fraud, Mugs all you know,

(04:34):
the list goes on. But yeah, that's that was the
turning point I think is when like Alchemists was like, Yo,
I want to do something with you, and then before
you know what, I have all these bodies of work
with with either rappers like Currency or laycoh. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So you think that it was the London drugs thing.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It was the London drugs thing that kicked it off
because people were, you know, listening to that and being
like they ain't heard nothing like, and then that just
led people to wanting to work with me. And then
before you know it, I don't even think I knew
I was like starting to trend because back then you
didn't see a lot of collaborative projects. There wasn't a
lot of like this rapper with this producer, you know

(05:14):
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, it was really like I'm thinking that maybe Alchemists.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Alchemists and Domo Genesis and like Prodigy. I think like
after the Prodigy wanted was Domo.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
But because what year was your first.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Fifteen?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I guess before that was Freddy and Madliba twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
There you go, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
But I think that was I mean, it's obviously all
a part of that.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Like that era era, you know what I mean. So yeah,
that led to the to this and then it's just like,
you know, being able to work with all these legendary producers.
It was nice to just be able to like form
something where I could collectively put everybody on one project.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, what was your initial link up with Yams?
Like explain y'all's genesis, y'all's relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yams was my boy, you know what I'm saying. We
met in Texas at south By Southwest.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Got into it. We got into a squabble I remember
at the Fader Fort with its like a legendary story.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then you got into a squabble with not with me, no, no, no,
no together.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, it was like a something broke out over there
and they were like, oh, the homie down, and you know,
he just took a liking to me. And then I, uh,
you know, went back to LA and then I did
this record and he put it like this is back
in like the tumblr days.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
So Yamborghini had the Yamborghini Tumbler and he put my
record on there and then that started getting motion, and
then blogs started picking me up. And then he was like, man, like,
you know, I think he should really like do this.
You know, this is fire. But back then, the goal
was to get Earl Swavey through the door. You know
what I'm saying. That was my little bro rescing peace.

(07:00):
And I was like, you know, focused on getting him
through the door. When he went to prison and came back,
my career kind of blossomed. So it was like tables
like it kind of you know, reversed.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Do you feel like because back then I feel like
we don't get it, like like Yams doesn't get enough.
I guess he had such a great year, like he
was such a great curator of like taste, Like you
know what I'm saying, Like I feel like a lot
of the stuff he touched, a lot of the people
he co signed, like went on to do such big things.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Man, yeah, I know he happy looking down because me
and him, like that's really how we connected, is just
like our love for music. He was like, you know
what I mean? And same with Cardo, Like Cardo hit
me cause he's like, you know, Yams was my boy.
Yams used to pull up and play me your stuff.
And then when me and Cardo LinkedIn, we realized, like,
I'm like Cardo talking about brother Lynch and Hollow Tip

(07:55):
and X Rated and kicked the sneak like you know,
Northern Cali, like from the Bay all the way to
Sack was like a huge influence for me when I was.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
All that, all that black market records.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Market records, was this ship.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Season of the sickness.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
All of that, you know, and shout outs to X Rated.
That's my boy man.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Such a dope dude. Man, I just had him on
the pot not too long.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
He's great, great human being. Yeah, and uh that to me,
you know, like you know, when we were younger, we
pride ourselves on like kind of finding the like underground ship,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now the X Rated tree, you'd be like, Yo, this
motherfucker's really got cutting records in prison.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
In prison, and it was hard. So you know, when
I found out that Cardo was was into that, and
then he just really wanted to to work and we're
gonna do the tape. That's when I brought g Prico
in you know what I'm saying. I met G Perico.
Uh at my boy dub Quincy White.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, of course going he's alien.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Alien, you know. And we we walked. I walked from
you know, my hood from to Athens Park is real close,
so I walked over there and that's when I met
BG Perico for the first time. Worth Well, that's when
we first met. And then he ended up going to jail,
and I got a call from one of my homies

(09:17):
that was locked up in there with him and was like,
you know so and so, And when he was locked up,
I would start playing yams his music. He had this
song called Busting, So when he came home and then
I was with Earl, that's when we formed us a
trick and then that that song came out, and then
that's when me and freeway Rick really started, you know,

(09:41):
getting together and forming our business together.

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Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, the rest is history, man. So when you go
listen to Once upon a Time, man, there's a lot
of history on there. You know, freeway Rick narrated it.
He know me. You know, he's seen my whole come up,
and I you know, I'm a big movie guy. You know,
I don't know if anybody's seen the movie Once Upon
a Time in America, But of course you know what

(11:43):
I'm saying, that's where the aesthetic comes from.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, having him narrate obviously, you say, you guys have
businesses together. People don't know. Give me the history you
freeway Ricks relationship.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's real crazy, man. At the time, you know, Uh,
I was living at Big Face House, Uh, games Brother
on Brazil and Wilmington, you know, the old Black Wall Street,
and uh, you know, I was trying to transition from
street life into just being more legit, and uh I

(12:16):
had got the idea after watching the movie Good Hair
by Chris Rock to uh to us to start selling hair,
to start like important weaves and selling Indian hair, you
know what I'm saying, because I'm Indian. And uh Rick
also was doing the same thing, and he had heard
about my name, and I was doing it like on

(12:38):
some baby boy ship pulling up to the beauty supply,
the spots being like popping the trunk like hey, no,
don't go in there, come shop with me. So anyways,
me and rick y'all doing that. Yeah, yeah, you guys
are going there, or yeah I got the loan, you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So uh, me
and Rick we met up on I'm like, yeah, you know,

(12:59):
I'm Compton and he's like, oh, well, I'm in Carson.
I said, well, let's meet up right there with on
the ninety one freeway down Central right where like the
borderline of Carson and Compton are at. And I'm thinking
at the time, Rick gonna pull up, like, you know,
it's freeway, Rick, it's the Kingpin. I'm thinking he's gonna

(13:21):
pull up in a ben Lee or you know, Rose
Royce or whatever. I had no idea and he just
pulls up in his bucket, you know what I'm saying,
a little high and die. And at the time, it's
another crazy story. I had Tory Lanez with me and
I brought Tory Lanes for his first time to Compton
and he just rolling around with me and he wanted

(13:42):
to get back home. He living at Sean Kingston House
at the time. I remember this one was when he
was a songwriting or whatever. But I had him tipping
with me through the hood. So I'm like, we're gonna
go meet Freeway Rick. Freeway. Rick is like yeah, man,
so we chopping it up and he's like, man, I
gotta do a podcast. This is like on too, like
I don't even think like many podcasts were really even out.

(14:04):
And he's like, he's like, let's go up. He's like, man,
let me put some gas in your car and let's
go to Marino Valley and let's go do this podcast.
I'm like, all right, for sure, you know toy from Toronto.
He don't know what where we're going or whatever. This
is a mission hour and a half two hour drive.

(14:25):
He mad as a motherfucker. Man.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Now he's just stuck.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
He just stuck and then we gotta go do a podcast.
I'll never forget that though, man, me and Tory still
joke about that. But that's when that relationship for him.
And then you know Rick scene where I was living,
and you know, knew that I was hungry and trying
to get about uh from my situation, just you know, elevating.

(14:49):
Me and him would link up every day with our
hair or we would go to Fairfax and we would
get a bunch of free clothes and then we would
come back to the hood and sell them. So, you know,
me and Rick, we started together, man, like for real.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
All and it all started with hair.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
It all started with hair. Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, Yeah, what's something about the hair industry that most
people don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I don't know. I haven't been in it for so long.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
So like, say, what what what would you flip a
weed for? Like what would it cost?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Would you be able to sell like a bundle was
like going for like one fifty or something like.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's what it go for on the street.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Like it was, yeah, would you a hair or something
like that? And you would have to have like the
Remy or like the real like Remy virgin I think
it was called or like n Yeah. They would come
in bundles though, and you could buy them in like keys.
So it's funny that I was like dealing with Rick
and we're buying like KOs.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Of hair, So what's a kilo hair costs?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Back? Oh, I can't even remember, Like I remember the
bundles were like one fifty or something. But the money
was good. I made good money in it. And then
it just got oversaturated and the music took over, and
you know, my passion wasn't obviously selling hair, so and
then with Rick too, you know, we Rick's a hustler.
He like Rick was selling T shirts, hair, doing appearances, books,

(16:04):
were just moving all the time together. And then it
got so busy for him and so busy for me.
When you listen to the intro, you know what I mean,
he says something that touched me. It was like, you know,
he said so often. Me and Jay had a kind
of parted ways, but not on back bad terms, but
when we run into each other. We would see each
other in different cities and we embrace each other like

(16:27):
lost brothers because it was like damn, like here you are.
He might have an artist, or he might be dealing
with a boxer and here I am in a different
city and I'm doing a show or whatever, and yeah,
but that's my brother. Man. We still talk every day
and shout out to Freeway Rick. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You have so much music, with so many producers. Who
would you say you got the best chemistry with?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Probably say Sean House because you know London drugs. Yeah, man,
we started together, we kind of made a sound together,
and then you know, yeah, that's why he's on nine.
He's on nine of the joints on Once upon a Time,
So that speaks first.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
So when did you decide there's too much music I
gotta do a double disc?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, I just wanted to be able to There's just
too many different songs that I liked, and I was like,
I was just gonna put it all on one disc.
But I'm like, who am I I'm not. You know
a lot of big artists put out a double disc,
you know what I mean. So I was just I mean,
you know, the way people consume music these days is
be a lot to give thirty one records at a time.

(17:37):
So I did Disc one and then two weeks apart,
I did this too, but you listen to it. Like
I said, if you've ever seen the movie Once upon
a Time in America, it's like a four and a
half hour long movie. There's an intermission on disc too.
That's when the intermission starts. But I sequenced the album
from act one to act too. It's how you spoke

(18:00):
to listen to it. So if you if you fuck
with Jay Worthy and you like the album, go make
a playlist and let that ship run through you know
what I mean? Would? Uh?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Was it on purpose that most of the features are
on the second disc?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Just did it just work out that way?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Is there more features on the second disc? Because I
feel like the first disc has quite it? I think
it's equally. I mean the first disc.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I have Quick Well, you know, I just looked because
I was looking at the playlist on Spotify, and the
only featured artists on the first disc or Quick and
turn on something.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Oh, but those are the features. But because everyone else
is primary, I got west Side Guns, so Boldie, James,
Larry June.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Jesus, Chrisy just a list of artists.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
With Khalifa, E forty, Jim Jones.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, fucking Thundercat, Undercat.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
George Clinton, Parliament, funking delic ice Tea, Mac Yeah, Marciana Yeah,
and shout outs to Wacko. You know, like I'm you
know me, I'm an A and R my el so
you know, I ain R my whole album. But Wacko
stepped in and uh he introduced me to Mac ten,

(19:09):
which me and Max became friends and asked my brother, now,
so that's who connected that dot. He also connected the
dot with Wiz for me, and he connected my favorite
record on this to iced Tea. You know what I'm
saying in that record right there, Uh it sounds like
it sounds like, uh, you know, it sounds like six o'clock,

(19:33):
six in the morning to me, So I called it
bis in the morning, and uh put Tea on that
and I love that verse. You know, I don't think
a lot of when do you see ice tea name
pop up on a feature list? I mean even Mac ten?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I mean I don't that's the one because Iced Teo
step out every once in a while. I feel like
Mac ten is very like.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Mac don't get get Yeah, he don't. He don't come
out for anybody. So, you know, Wacko put me with
Mac and then Mac took a liking to me, and
you know, we formed our own relationship and we've been
locked in ever since. But those those are the things
that like make me happy having Spice one. Spice one
is like in my top five.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
So that was going to ask you about that because
Spice one is somebody who is so underappreciated when we
think of like hip hop in general. Some of the
hardest West Coast albums ever and some of the hardest
album covers of all ever.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You know what I'm saying, you already know.

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to the podcast. But you like like Spice one somehow,

(21:33):
Like I feel like we forget about him, Like he's
not talked about enough. Where's the ice the Spice one
feature come from?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, this is kind of crazy man. This dude his name,
he produced it. His name was never heard of. He
paid me for a feature to get on that beat.
And uh and then he was like, Yo, my pops
is homies with Spice one because when I heard the beat,
I'm like, remind me of some old Spice one ship.

(22:01):
And then he was like, yeah, I can, I can
get spice on it. And I'm like man, I'd be
chopping it up with spice here and there on it,
and he linked us together. Man, and then uh, I
put spice on it in the video. Yeah it's a
video and uh and then I went and got bun
Be on it because you know that's my brother right there.

(22:22):
And uh, I just thought I called the song Jive
ninety five because it reminded me in the era when
like all these rappers were on jive.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Remember, yeah, Jive was crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
They had all the Bay Spice one was Jive too short,
too short, forty lit and UGK you know K, and
they had all the good soundtracks.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think their offices. They had an office in the Bay.
They had to back in the day, they had one
in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
They had to because everybody came out on jives. So
I just said, Jive ninety five, you know what I'm saying.
And so what did you? Did?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
You end up giving the dude's money back? Who paid
you for the future?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You know what? Actually we ain't even worked that part out.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're like, I'm gonna take the song and your money.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Crazy cold game man. All right though, Man, you're getting
great exposure and uh, he's happy for it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
You know what I mean, are you gonna get you
got even another record?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Now? Oh for sure, Yeah I own another record definitely.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
He's like, you know, I like this so much, Yeah,
put this on there.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But he knew, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
So it was It was cool.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
In an era where so many like of the behind
the scenes guys, I want to be in front of
the camera and want to do podcasts and just you know,
go and sit down on vlad. You got a guy
like Wacko, who is the name we always hear about
in l A. And I don't think it's like really
talked about enough. Like the moves he's able to kind
of help within the.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Somebody right over there. I don't know if you want.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
To, but but I just kind of speak to like
his importance in the city and just like some of
the stuff he's able to.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Kind of well see Whacko, Like people always ask, they like,
this is Wacko? Your manager is Wacko? I said, Wacko
is one of my best friends. He's my business partner.
But it's funny, I said, we wear different hats. Now
Wacko is involved. Wacko is a filmmaker. You know, Wacko
is an artist. Wacko is an entrepreneur. Wacko put out

(24:18):
Cali Swag District and broke the record, teach me how
to douggy along with many other things. With's helping form
meet the Whoops with me. So you know, Wacko is
just one of those dudes that what I respect about
Wacko is like this man, he don't want the fame,
you know what I'm saying. He out here to just

(24:39):
push the culture and be involved in dope things and
make good artwork and a real doc connector like myself.
But it's funny though, because sometimes we'll go out to events,
right and like say, I'll be with Wacko and we're
going to a movie premiere or whatever, and you know,
he represents himself and sometimes I'll be like, yeah, I

(25:02):
managed Wacko. And then sometimes will be somewhere and I'll
be like, oh, yeah, you need to talk to my
manager Wacko. So we uh we trade hats man. But
a great person, great individual, and he deserves flowers. It's
a part of so many, uh so many great things
that have happened in the city of Compton and La period.

(25:24):
You know what I mean real doc connector man kind
of like myself.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
You know, you said, like obviously you're You're in A
and R. And I feel like so many people tap
in with you because of your taste and your ear.
Huh is because you helped A and R the Troop
Ofcabra album, which I thought was one of the most
slept on projects from Was it last year?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah? It was last year, man.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Last year Quick Problem album was fucking fire.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Man man a great album.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
But I'm just curious, like for you is like when
it comes to like putting that hat on, like when
did you kind of understand? Like damn, Like I kind
of got some I got, I kind of got the juice.
Low key.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I look at it like this, right, if you look
at my career, all the things, all the projects that
I put together, they were I said, man, I need
to do one with currency I ain't R and that
me and Larry June, I ain't or all the features
on that, me grabbing Priko for g Worthy, etcetera, Etceterright,
So I feel like, you know, me putting it introducing

(26:23):
Alchemists and Larry together. Now they got a whole franchise.
So I was like, damn, I'm always kind of been
at A and R and Jason Martin and Quick gave
me my first time to like wear that hat officially,
and then that open doors for me later to start
working with Terrorist Martin on an RN and YG and

(26:43):
the list goes on. So you know, you know, it's
just something I got a good year and I love
music and I just want to see people that should
make music together rock, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, who's been like, because I feel like you've also
worked with so many underrated artists out of the city
that still maybe not necessarily have gotten their flowers as
much as like a guy like TF, like dope.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
TF one of the best to me, YEAHF one of
the best.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Another one of those guys who I feel like, you know,
quietly got a crazy catalog.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Man for sure, you know, And and now him and
Harry Fraud dropping the project, which is going to be crazy.
So it's just things like that, Like I've always just
wanted to see different people work with different people.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Is there anybody though from LA you feel like that
you just kind of have your eye on. Either it
could be someone you work with, someone who you haven't
worked with that's young that's on the come up and
you're like, Yo, that dude's got it.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Let me think, let me think here. I love Nano Okay,
you know what I'm saying. I love I mean what
else that's just really dope out here, just push and
doing that ship. I love all my group meet the Whoops.

(28:04):
I think those dudes right there are incredible. But I'm
trying to think outside the box, just like of somebody
that's not so known that I would that I would
want to work with. Damn. Oh, you know what. I

(28:25):
got to give it up for my boy for Casso
Man Picasso, one man out of Compton, a conscious rapper,
really dope, like real really like a real hip hop MC.
But you know from our section, and uh, I think
he I featured him on my album. He's on a

(28:45):
song with me and Weside. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah. For you, if you were to go back through
your catalog, what do you think is your take away?
This this once upon time?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
What do you think is your best album? Active Active
twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Twenty Well, we put it out twenty eighteen on digital,
but it came out on Fools Gold in twenty fifteen,
and the original that was on fools gold Gold. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Shout out to a.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Track, yep, shout outs to a track. You know what
I'm saying, A tracks of g though. Yeah, that's crazy,
it is crazy, and y'all, y'all see, I got an
article coming out and we talk about that whole shit
and how that unfolded. But yeah, man, a track yep,
So that's twenty fifteen. That's my baby active. I took

(29:34):
like three years to make that, so that, yeah, I
would say.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That, it's kind of like you're ellmatic.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, that's my illmatic to me, but this is like
the that if that's illmatic, then this is all eyes
on me. I repent that.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, kind of jumped rappers in the references. I thought
you were gonna go like this is my It was written.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right right right, right, right right right, But it's like,
but it's like I'm paying, I'm paying how I'm into
the double disc era? Man, you know, like you from
my era, we don't see that a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
No, Yeah, I'm thinking like obviously all eyes on me
life after Death. But then like eight Ball had lost.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
And that came out.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Triple Triple CD, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Then uh m P the last and we had the
bone Thugs one, but people forget about this one part
of war Element of Surprise.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some great double I'm trying to
think what I'm forgetting?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
What about jay Z? Didn't he do a no, there's
a blueprint? And no it was one and two? I forget.
I don't know why I thought that.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But was that the crazy double disc? Oh? Obviously diplomatic community.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Great, that's a great one too, diplomatic.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I was just bumping that ship yesterday.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Somebody I loved that album. Oh yeah, yeah, that's my ship.
I still slapped that faithfully phenomenal. It's crazy, changed my
whole ship in high school. That was like it came
to I came to school the next day. And the
pink T shirt. For sure.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
How do you end up linking with because you also
have a full album or body of work that you
completed with George Clinton? Yeah, now he's on the album.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
He's on the album.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
No one's able to just like connect with George Clinton.
That's a diabolical.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yes, you know. Yeah, he he reached out to me
and he was just like two pie's in a pod
different so so he was just listening to you and yeah,
but he would he'd tapped in with me before that. Uh,
he started following me on Twitter like back when I
probably put out active, so he's probably like, you know, seeing, okay,

(31:38):
this is a new dude that's coming with the funk
and pushing the genre. And uh, he might have been
paying attention to what I did with Dame Funk. I'm
not sure, but he hit me up and was like
two peas in a pod different and then the next thing,
you know, he invited me to his show, and that's
when we got to hang out. Uh that's today we know.

(32:01):
We went to the movie premiere, I think, and I
went with Wackle. That's when Wackle connected the dot with
Wiz Khalifa for me and then uh as far as
uh George and me, Yeah, we hung out. It was cool,
and then he invited me to the next show and
that's where when I met Quick. And then you know,
George was like, you got to listen to this kid

(32:24):
ship and that's what put Quick on my radar, and
you know, the rest is history.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
When you're in the studio with George Clinton, yea, does
he wear shoes?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
You do?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I always wonder because I always hear the old funk
dudes like this, like like record with no shoes on because.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
They feel grounded.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
They feel like the funk comes from the ground. So
I got a random question. I heard that Herbrick James
recorded with no shoes.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Really. I mean, if you go look at like George
Clinton's interview with David Letterman, he like comes out there barefoot,
just like sitting cross legged and ship like that, I
would want.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
To do mushrooms or just something like, Yo, George, what
were you doing in the seventies, Let's do it together
right now?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
The aunt peyote Yo. The amount of game and knowledge
you again from George is crazy, and the stories it
was great. I mean we spent a week together.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
How many songs did y'all do?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We did a whole.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Album and ten piece eight piece piece.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Like ten to twelve, and just to give you all
some game. Because his grandson is like a fan of
like what I doing with London drugs, he was like, yo,
I took a chance on this too. So I came
to George with me and Sean had already did all
the parts, and he was like, Yo, these are the

(33:38):
songs that George owns outright. So we just did what
we do with London drugs. We looped them. And then
I came to George and he couldn't believe it, and
then I got him to like rego over the classes.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Oh shit, So you guys were able to kind of
like so his grandson tapped in and was like, hey, guys,
these are the songs you don't have to worry about clearing.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, so original, So flip them sample downs like an
exact It sounds like the original Parliament Funkadelic, George Clinton,
your favorite ones. I'm not going to tell you.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
So Sean was able to kind of like just do
what he does.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Sean did what he did, and I did all my verses,
and then I came in there with George and I
had George go over his classics and ad lyrics or
you know what I'm saying. And then he.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Tripping when you guys brought that to him on a platter, like.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yo, he was tripping, and I was like, damn, I'm like,
you never know how that's gonna work, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Because he might be like, yo, what the fuck did this?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Like, you know, let's make some new shit. He said
to me, this is all I've ever wanted somebody to do.
And I couldn't believe it, and I was like, oh, yeah,
this is really my big bro, Like he get it.
So we did it and he loved it. And I'm
not kidding you for like the like last like we
did that like probably you know the album's gonna come
out twenty twenty six, but we did that. Like that's

(35:00):
you know, sick, like eight months ago or something like that,
and he's still talking about it, man, And I'm not.
If you guys think that the features are crazy on
Once upon a Time, wait till you see the features
on this.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, you kind of open yourself up to a whole
new world of like artists who might I could get
the George Clinton and they'd.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Be like, oh.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
It feels like a Snoop Dogg feature. Just so we
it feels like it feels like Snoops on the album.
It feels like so swoops on the George Clinton.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
ALP.

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Speaker 2 (37:08):
Nah, Snoop's definitely on the George of course is no ship. Yeah,
he's on there. Yeah, shout out to wackle you know
another another person that connected that dot too, you know,
because you know Wacko see me moving and do so
many things. It's hard to like really like, you know,
be able to. What Wacko was able to do is

(37:28):
like tap me in with the O g's you know.
And that's what I love, you know what I'm saying.
I got all the young dudes, I got all the guys,
the Griselda, the Larry, He's the this and that. But
it's like the legends, Snoop man, come on, man, but yeah,
that that record right there, me Snoop and George. I mean,

(37:52):
it's crazy it's crazy. That's all I'm gonna say for you.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Uh. You know, you have like a kind of like
a trailer to your album. I guess I would call you.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I have two things. I got one which is like
Rick and me were in the La River and he's
doing the intro narrating and telling my life story for me.
But then I also have a documentary trailer which is
about to come out probably we got these edits right,
hopefully by the time this Brick magazine drops on in

(38:23):
the news stands, because they just announced yesterday. I got
the cover of Brick magazine and we did a documentary
with it, and it just it's got.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Like a lot of people talking about you. Everybody from
like Antmark Herot's like mugs and on and on.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of legends and they're just
you know, I've been outside for a while and I
got a lot of connections and know a lot of people.
And the whole premise of the docu was like, I
don't speak, everybody just tells their story for me, you know.
And then there's a lot of archival footage and you know, what.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Was it like for you? Because would you say, like, uh,
when you had kind of first started to kind of
get like a itch to.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Do the music.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
What year was that? Not even like recording, like were
you just like yo, I want to be around this shit.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I want to tell you this. I'll say this. I
always was like in high school, we were making music,
you know, like you I think my early beginnings, like
I was running around and I was making music with
my homies, and and my homies were tied in with
like the Project Blowed and the Good Life and just
different shit like that and Living Legends whole yeah, whole

(39:29):
other shit. But this was like early on, like I'm
talking like thirteen, I was rapping, like was putting tapes
out in high school. That's how I came to meet
like my homies from my hood like Ram and H
the Black Text and Faux Band and everybody like that.
Rest in Peace. So I lost my knack for music

(39:50):
when I figured out, like you know, it was kind
of like this like at the time, you know, when
Game came out and like everybody said he brought the
West Coast back, it was like my circle of frames
were like this is like we were trying to piggyback
off of that and like be like all right, some
shit Finna Go and the dude that I was making,
who's my brother Ram? You know, he had a lot

(40:13):
going on for kids, he cutting hair and it was
just slow motion.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And now, yeah, because that game comes out, and then
there's like the whole like New West movement. You know,
there's there's Glasses, Rockstar, There's like all this shit that
starts kind of moving around, and like then I read like,
obviously Nipsey's going crazy. And then there was like this
weird like I don't know if you remember, like when
there was like the New West movie, the New West
resentment towards the old heads because nobody.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Knows they weren't like like all right GM alone and
like all of them were like these they don't fuck
with us, they don't support us, and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Nipsey I got an interview with Nipsey where Nipsey was like,
because you know Nipsey, I think Nipsey caught.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Out dre at the time, really crazy. I remember all
that that. That was like the New West Movement, and
I was around for all of that.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Black Wall Street had fifty million artists.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Man, it was crazy. Yeah, I remember it.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Around the boy they signed My Boy from Arizona juice.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I think I started looking and you know, you mind you,
I'm seventeen eighteen at the time. I think I just
jumped in the street life, man, and I didn't What
was it like being.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Around that era, man? Because that was like an era
that like, you know, that era.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Was cool, man, because everybody was working together. There was
a it was a great time for the West as
far as new artists. You know what I'm saying. You
had Like these are the names that I remember very
very much, so Disco Problem, bad Luck, Demani. You know
what I'm saying that it was so tough, man, man,
come on, bad Luck one of the ones. You know what,

(41:39):
what's my brother's name? Man, while he gonna kill me?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Bishop Lamar was Josh.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Lamar was dope, k boy, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
like all these cats, you know what I'm saying, We're
doing their thing and it was it was cool. Now,
mind you. Mac Ten went in and fucked with Glasses.
So he was one of the older dudes from that
era that was. Now you got to remember, I'm younger.
I'm way younger than Glasses and all these dudes. So

(42:08):
I'm like, at this time, I'm still a teenager and stuff.
But for me, you know, in my in my neighborhood
and stuff, I just you know, it was more influenced
to take a different path.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
And j Rock too, is that in that timeframe, you know?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, So it wasn't for me, like you know, I
fucked off for ten years and just was in the streets.
And then what brought me back to wanting to wrap
and be creative was coming on Fairfax and meeting Anmar
and meeting Casey and meeting Tyler and all that before
like like odd futures just getting formed. And now I've
seen that. Now I'm meeting Bobby and Ben hundreds and.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
It's like a peak Fairfax days, peak Fairfax days.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I was there from the beginning of it. So that
inspired me to be a creative again. And that's when
I was talking about that tape of mustard. I pressed
up CDs and my home homie was like, who was
up on Fairfax? He was like, instead of putting your
CDs in the swap meets and the liquor stores, bring
it up on Fairfax. And those kids took a liking

(43:11):
to my ship and they fucked with me. So it
was my young Homemi.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And those are all the cool kids.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
You know, they were all the cool kids at that
and that's how I got immersed in that, and that
like reminded me back when I was a kid in
Vancouver and and like you know what I'm saying, I
came up and like I was telling you on the
underground hip hop, the graffiti to skateboarding. So it brought
me back and realized I am an artist. I am

(43:36):
I am supposed to be here and supposed to do that.
So that gave me my second win. And Casey Veggie
shout out to Casey he just dropped a single featuring me.
And that's full circle moment because Casey was in high
school man, and this dude was killing it. Man, odd
future was killing it. And you know I was running

(43:56):
around with Casey and going worldwide and.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
He was like I feel like AC and in the Bay,
I am Sue. Don't get talked enough about. Oh yeah,
able to do kind of like h like HBK in
the Bay, but like I am Sue and like Casey
Veggie's and like what they did for that era.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, man doesn't get is a legend. He went from
being broke because Casey was there with Earl and Tyler
and then he went to be with Dom and then
he just is his own entity. But it's just a
full circle moment, you know what I'm saying. And that's
why I got my billboard up on Fairfax right now
on Rosewood and Fairfax, right above the old hundred store,

(44:33):
because it just it was like, damn, you know, I'm
looking at my young homies, maked and.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
What's there now Dave's Hot chickens.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
And Dave's Hot chicken is gone now? Yeah? You know,
yeah that Fairfax died man as far as like, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
They got a good burner spot over their trophy.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
That one, yeah ran And you know what I ran
into over there with sour milk. I was riding my
bike and I was like checked out, coming to go
see my billboard, and he's.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
He's probably running or eating.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, yeah, he went. He said he drove there just
to eat and he's got to come in there. And
I'm like, man, I've been dealing with cholesterol issues. But
I said, all right, you know what, let me try.
It was an incredible burger.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And what is going on with Meet the woops Man, Meet.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
The Wolves Man? We got it. We got a deal
in place. You know what I'm saying, Uh, yeah, you know,
we gotta.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
While he's going crazy with Cactus Jack, you're going you.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Got chef boy going crazy? Come on, yeah, but we
got you know, we got a deal in place with
a major. I don't want to let the cat out
the bag, but yeah, is that?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Is that a project that you guys already finished?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Her hundred percent produced by hit Boy? Yeah, it's finished,
and that's all I can say about that. It's finished.
We've just been pashing out the last bit of the terms.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
And have you been able to chop it up recently
with it all? Because obviously yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I talked to just to put him up. You know,
he's busy and moving, but you know, you can. He
congratulated me on my new album and he told me
he loved the aesthetic and the direction that I'm going in,
and you know, like he also see what I'm doing
with George Clinton and he's like wow, like you like
you know, the King of p funk like you know,
so he he loved what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Man, crazy you had Snoop and George Clintons.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Man, man, I need I need you to pull through
for that, for that, for Uncle George and me man.
But now that's my brother man. When you know, he
busy and he moving. But when the time is right,
I'm sure it all come together.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
What do you think is the most the biggest misconception
about you that people are miss have misunderstood.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean, you know, I think, like you know that
they love to judge a book by its cover, or
they might go look on the internet and see this
or see that, or I don't know, but I'm like,
don't get me fucked up. But the thing is, I
don't really have to speak, like the street's gonna let
you know. Everybody will let you know. And it's like,
you know, we in this internet age where like people

(47:01):
just get on there and say everything or say anything.
And it's like, you know, I'm a little bit older too,
so I've been around, so I don't know. For the
most part, all I know and all I receive is love,
you know.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
But you know, and you're everywhere. I feel like I
feel like any time I go anywhere, you're there. Yeah,
I'm there, damn fool Like you must not. You don't
have kids.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
That's why I don't got kids.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
But Also, I don't go out that much, but when
I go out, you're there.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
You name somebody, though, Like I've been there from the
beginning of like bro I was putting Griselda in twenty sixteen,
we met at Alchemist's house. I was there, I met Yams,
and then from the start of the ASAP, I was
there with Odd Future, and then when they was just bubbling,
like I just been around and know anybody. I was
running around with Dot when tde formed and he had

(47:50):
me and the homies everywhere to pimb A Butterfly and
you know, good kid, Mad City. So it's just like, yeah,
I've been around for a minute. And before that it
was with Sugar and Brick Squad and you know what
I'm saying, and and Big Face and Chuck and it's like,
so you know, you get you got all this under
your belt. And then it's like, now that's what I'm saying.

(48:12):
It's like, once upon a time, you got the doc.
You got people gonna do their history and learn and
figure it out for themselves, you know. But I don't
really got too much to say. Man, I come with
peace and love, and I think you know, uh, if
they don't know what's up they feling on? Now?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Do you feel like now that you got this initial
album out into the world, like every you got this
certain pocket of fans that are just like Griselda heads.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Album. And It's funny about that because Gun was like yo,
like he's like you are Griselda, so you could drop
like he Gun allowed me to do whatever I want
to do. I want to put the logo on it
sometimes sometimes like for the spice one in uh bun
Be video, I threw the Grizzelda logo on there for
the me and conductor. Should I put it on there?

(49:03):
I did? I left it off of my album cover
just because I felt like I felt like I'm I'm Griselda,
and I'm that's my team, like you know, like forever,
and I'm honored to be a part of something that
is like to me, is like that's the new Wu
Tang to me for sure, you know what I'm saying.

(49:24):
And it because like think about it, Staten Island was
like some other ship Buffalo kind of some other ship.
So I love that comparison.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
But is that album done?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Which one I look at this is this is like
my Griselda release. You know what I'm saying, you know
where you said that logo on the vinyl and ship man,
I just let the fans figure it out for themselves.
Man Gun on the album, Conway on the album, Boldie
on the album, Conductor produced on the album. I mean,
what more do you want? This is it?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Is there another collab album you got tucked besides the
Clinton one?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Oh yeah, Me and Conduct? And then I got me
and DJ Quick where I wrapped over all the grooves.
Oh shit, And I'm not gonna tell you who rapped
over it with me. Also, that's yeah, that one's gonna
be crazy. And then I got one with an artist's
named Idris. It was amazing. Yeah. And then you're gonna
have active part too by me and Sean.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
So what is can you give me? Like? If you're
if me and.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Terriss Martin got one as well, jazz album Jesus Yeah,
don't stop and I'm out my deal now, so tap in.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, your catalog's crazy. If you if if there's an
independent artist that's watching this, I feel like you're really
good at like the rap hustle if you will, yeah,
because there's so many ways you can get bags in
this rap game as an independent artist, like what would
be I guess your biggest advice like untapped money or
you know what's what's like kind of break down, you

(50:55):
know the secrets of the game in which like you're
able to just like.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well, I think I think it all starts with the music. First.
Do something creative and original and build your brand up.
Give them an aesthetic. Like when you when you come
and get a Jayworthy album, you know what you're getting.
You know, the artwork going to be top tier, the
production going to be top tier. Or for example, look

(51:20):
at June, same thing, look at Griselda the same thing.
So it's all about branding and aesthetic. But as far
as the hustle goes independently, you know, just try to
have ownership. And there's nothing wrong with taking a deal
and taking in advancement and getting started like that. It
might not be the best deal that you want in

(51:40):
the beginning. I didn't sign the best deal that I
wanted in the beginning, but it gave me, you know,
it gave me a boost and I was able after that.
I was able to wiggle and do what I want.
So a lot of cats will be like, well, nah, man,
I'm not taking that or nah, man, take that man,
use that marketing money and go up with it. I

(52:01):
just started using marketing money. This is like the first
album once upon a time that I was like, all right, cool,
we'll do digital marketing or you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
So yeah, I mean, look at your debut album right,
kind of pull it out.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah for sure, Empire, Empire shout out Sanima and Ghazi.
And you know what, even though I'm out my deal,
I probably never end up leaving Empire because.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
At least I always have some business.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
There, always no forever, like my whole catalog over there,
I just and they always done good business with me,
and they made me a priority, you know, like on
the Empire, they pushing my shit like I'm a priority
over there. So it's always important to be at a
label where they really rock with you. You know. If
I go somewhere to a major and it might sound good,

(52:45):
oh I'm on wool, you wold. But if you if
you're not a priority over there, you don't you don't
got somebody in the building that believe in you, then
what's that going to do?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
You might as be on destructet at that point. That part,
all right, brother, we'll look the album is out once.
Want to do this one and two?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yes, sir, Vinyl coming, Vinyl, VHS, DVD, merch. You already know.
We did a bunch of collabs. We did one with
Awake New York. We did one with Huff This is
the Hugh one right here. Fire but yeah, yeah, I'm
about to be dropping soon.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Go support and I can't wait to hear this George
Quinn album.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
That'll be the next time I come up on here.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Please bring him with you, please.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
All right, I'm gonna bring George though. Trying to be
ready to do press, he told me he was like,
I'm gonna come run around.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I don't have no shoes on. Jay Worthy, my brother,
I appreciate your mane Yes, sir guy,