#609 - A$AP Ferg Talks A$AP Rocky, A$AP Yams’ Legacy, Carti, Work Remix, Club Paradise Tour Stories & More

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Speaker 2 (01:02):
In the buildings, in that Persian line Egyptian God du
season line, You're my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's crazy. I was just listening to what was the
fucking I was working out? And what was the murder
something with you and Walker something? Wow, It's crazy how
long ago that album, like like Traplord was what twenty thirteen?
Twenty thirteen is Do you feel like an OG now?
Because you are kind of you're an OG at this point.

(01:28):
I mean when you're you have a fifteen year career.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't feel like a OG, but I know I'm
an OG, right, I'm a young OG.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, definitely a young OG like you like went through
the blog era.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I went through some eras a lot of errors actually survived.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
You were like before streaming and then the streaming era
comes and yeah, it's kind of crazy man. Yeah. Do
you ever like, like, like, how often do you? Cause?
I feel like sometimes when you have so much success
and you're kind of like living in your dream, you
don't really get to kind of like maybe reflect as
much as you would like because you're so in it.
Do you ever like sit back and reflect on just

(02:05):
kind of the journey.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think that every album that I released new project,
I'm kind of forced to go back to it because
it's almost like a recap from like the beginning, just
like I'm doing with you. You're bringing up Odega Bams
and yeah, yeah the tam Boys. Like I'm now, I'm

(02:27):
thinking about all of the errors, and I'm thinking about
the music that came from that era, and I'm thinking
about the joy and all of that. So yeah, it's
constantly like going back and reflecting when I drop a
new project and I do press runs and even like
sometimes like just to just to see how much I've grown,
Like I'll go back and listen to like my first

(02:48):
album and just and and also because that was my
I feel like that was that album It took me
my whole life to make because up until that point,
I was just living life. And then I created an
album twenty thirteen and then like that that came out

(03:08):
of thin it.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I was like the most.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Purest I probably possibly could be creatively because I didn't
know what I was doing, Like I wasn't I was
just trying to create a genre. So I'm always making
sure I don't lose that wonder when it comes to creative.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
You damn near. It kind of did create a genre,
and it's like crazy. If you think about work, it's
like there's like these forever club records, like No Hands
is one of them. You know, like there's just records that,
no matter what, forever will get played in clubs. But
for you, you got like work, which, obviously in the
hip hop clubs gets played. But then like like I

(03:47):
don't even know how many EDM remixes what that thing?
Bro Like every rave there's a work fucking joint.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like yo, I'm seeing them pop up. Like I went
to a Diplo festival and he played one that they
was going crazy too, like and I was like, this
is nuts. So it takes on the life of his own.
I'll rock with it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Do you like, like, do you have a favorite one
of the remixes?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I don't they just they just I might have heard
like too.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Because there's probably like two that are probably like huge
obviously the og remixes, you.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Know, yeah, one of the ones, well, I mean I
didn't remix none of those. Everybody's just doing their own
thing with it. But yeah, like the the og remix,
the Work remix, Yeah, that that all remix I was
just thinking about that because when I first did work,
I was like, all right, it's going that's obviously the song.
Well for y'all that don't know, that song took me

(04:44):
out of the hood through the strategy. But when I
did the remix, it really solidified my space and music.
And I remember like once Schoolboy Q he had sent
his version and I was like, oh no, he on
me on my ship. And I remember recording that ship
like three. I did three different verses and then it

(05:06):
was like the last one. I remember J Cole doing
the interview. He said, songs that usually work has great
call call and responses. So I remember I put two
call and responses in that song. It was the the
Cootie down to the South like a baby yeah ball,

(05:35):
So it was two calling responses and for sure that
it worked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Was there anybody almost made it on that remix, but
just for whatever reason, it just didn't get cleared or
didn't make it over the finish line. Nah.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
That was the perfect song because during that time everybody
was on that song. It was like on the cring
crazy like it was like French was hot and you.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Know his fish grease.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
He always hopped Doro like the hottest shit. So you
knew when French hopped on your shit, you had.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
To around the time. He was on everything, Like, Yo.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
He just popped up to my video shoot when I
did the work like OGV no, no, no, it was
wild that just popped up. Yeah, he popped about of nowhere.
But French always hopped on like the hottest shit and
still to this day. But Trinidad James, he had the
gold song out and then Rocky and then Q school

(06:28):
Boy Q.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
So that was like atl La New York. It was
just crazy, Yo, can you speak back then? I feel
like there was such a dope synergy between the TD
crew and the ASAP crew, specifically with y'all and Q.
What was that like? Because obviously, you know, if you

(06:50):
talk about movements coming out of each coast like early
twenty tens, there's nothing that really kind of can compare
to what each one of y'all's crews had going on
in visually. What was that synergy like with y'all, how
did that initially start?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And it wasn't just Q, it was like everybody. Our
first tour was with Drake and it was on Kendrick.
Kendrick was dead Rocky was dead. Yeah club the first
it was the first club Paradise tour, yea and Yeah,
like we would we would hang out every day. That's
how I got that verse out of Q.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was like, you gotta get on the remix, and
I was trying to get my Kendrick verse.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I was like, yo, I remember, I almost had it.
He was about the record, but we had to go perform.
I was hot, Damn what song were you trying to
get him on? It was like somebody pulled up any
beat and he was just feeling and I was like,
let's let's go, let's go, let's go. I was just
trying to get him on a song, but I had
Q locked in. I was trying to learn how to
mix from Ali. I was learning from everybody.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
What was that tour like? Because you think about a
snapshot of history, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
That toll was pure fun. Drake showed us how to
do it. When it came down to like lining up
all the women, he has send.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
A scout, get all the girls, and then after we
like he got all of the girls, he got all
of the chicks right here. I feel like a lot
of the bigger artists that got that homie that they'll
send out of the crowd.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
He had, he had that designated homie and then so
but I but he also had great showmanship and he
knew how to rock a craw that was.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
A fucking problems Sarah, Right, fucking problems was out.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I believe so. And then we had Kendrick and
well we had we had.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Uh was what was walk on that tour?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
There was another Chase Chases on the tour. Shout out
to Chase, but yeah, we Kendrick performed and he was
like M sixteen on stage and uh, just to see
top every day with the red fitted on that breakfast
was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, we're doing it. But you know, coming up like
Kendrick was amazing, amazing art. He's not the Kendrick we
know today.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Of course Drake was big, but he was not even
know he.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Was at the beginning of the like yeah, this is
the Star.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
This is AMPU Theater and gems like era.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
But to me, that ship was like, yeah, we're doing arenas,
Like that's what it looks like here right the second album, yeah,
take care of Yeah, and then we were linking up
We're going to it just opened up a whole different
world than me, and like, yeah, it was just on.
When you think about, like how crazy it is to
fast forward and almost everyone who was on that tour

(09:43):
together is at odds with each other. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I feel like that's kind of natural though, because even
when you think about the family dynamic and like little
brother big brother things, you know, a lot of the
times a little brother want to grow up and prove
themselves and don't want to be under the wing of
the big brother. Like so that happens a lot, like
people growing to individuals, and a lot of the times

(10:10):
where we start it's not who we really are. We
still growing into the person we are. So the the
k Dot that was on tour, or the drake that
was on tour, the rocket that was on tour, the
ferg that was on tour as not that same person.
We were still learning ourselves during that time. So when
you grow you can't expect for the relationship to be

(10:31):
the same.

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Today is Yam's birthday? No? Is it just thirty seventh birthday? Today?

(12:20):
I believe it's today? Is it today? Yeah, today's yams birthday,
thirty seven today?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wow, life is going. I was older than the MS.
I'm older than the EMS a few two months.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I'm thirty eight so month. Yeah, yeah, I was born
January eighty.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Seven, thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah. Wow. So can you kind of cause you know
I was.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Show you was like at the shows and like what
was you doing like when we first started, I was
doing radio.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, Like I kind of started cracking in the blog
era like twenty ten, twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Like did you start during that time?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah? Like I had all the early like Freddy interviews
all the early like did you start though, uh start
start like oh five, when I was like eighteen, I
figured that and then like by the time the blog
er kicked off, I was in Vegas and that's when
I was getting like I had an underground hip hop show,
so all the fool's coming up, like yeah, because he
always looked at you like super solidified in your space, right,

(13:18):
So it was like what like yeah, like that vege.
Like when I was living in Vegas in like twenty
ten eleven, that's when I had Mac Miller, like up
before he even had I think when he just dropped kids.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Shout outs to the goat resting piece of Mac Miller.
I remember he brought a belt from me. This is
like before I was rapping and like I just started
like pushing the music and he was linking over Rocky
and I was selling these belts. It was called Davoni
and he brought some belts from me. So shout out to.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I got him on a mural outside. Yeah, see shout
out to Mac man risked in peace Gone too soon man.
But speaking of gone too soon, can you kind of
speak because I was talking with Jay Worthy and we
were kind of talking about how he was so worthy.
He was just saying like how like Yams really like
was one of the first guys really give him like
the confidence to take music series.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Jay Worthy is like the red version of Yams, but
it kind of felt like red.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
At such a high level of like an ear of taste,
Like you know what I'm saying, like what can you
just kind of speak to like his importance and you
know what what he brought to the table as a
crew member and maybe just share like a fond memory
of him, you know, because I feel like, for whatever reason,
we don't talk about Yams enough.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yams is a geek, and he's a geek for culture,
so he dives into culture just like all of.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Us are geeks.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like I'm in geek too, Like when it comes down to,
you know, geeking about sounds, the eclectic music types like Yams.
Is that like, you know, shout out to Max B.
He just got out of prison.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I just saw you with him, yep.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
And Yams used to work with Karen Silvill under Max
B to pack his CDs and all of that, So
that that shows you, like already like he was ahead
of the game, learning and turning working just learning the
business to become who he eventually became, which is one
of the big biggest execs in the world. He he

(15:21):
took a bunch of different textures, which is the mob,
and made us mesh well and you know we we
we got everything from the high end all the way
to the you know, New York grungey, gritty vibes going
and he he made that blend.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, that's who Yams was. Do you think very good curator?
Do you think losing him was kind of like losing
the glue that kind of kept everybody together.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I wouldn't want to say that losing him is losing
the glue. I would have said that before. But like
I said, like we all grow, and it eventually happened
like people growing to themselves and realized like, oh I
don't want to do this, I really want to do this,
or whatever the case may be. I think that Yams
was a very important ingredient when it came down to

(16:10):
being an ear being, somebody who had vision, being somebody
who had who had skin in the game, because I
when I came in the game, I didn't know what
was going on right right right, right, Like I said,
he was packing tapes up in CDs and all of
that for Max b so he he had skin in
the game.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, you're like just riding this crazy like twenty ten,
twenty eleven, twenty twelve wave surf waves, so such a
crazy time. It was a whole wave.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, it was a wave, and it was definitely a
time to be alive. Like it was like we all
caught the frequency, like we was all on a wave.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
We was all like Danny Brown. Can't forget him, fucking
Danny Brown. Yeah. One Train is one of the greatest.
I always say this, like it's my favorite posse cuts
probably in the last twenty years, fifteen years. Rocky is
a genius for that. Just that lineup Yellow Wolf, Big Critch, Zoey, Badass. Oh,
Krit's one him Ones Action Bronson Crazy. I saw you

(17:14):
obviously you and Denzelben. You know you're on his last
project and you guys are tight. But he's on my
last project too. I saw you hanging out with him
playing him the polo record, and uh do you ever?
Like I always think one of the biggest what ifs
and hip hop is like if the Raider Klan and
Asap never fell out, because there was such a like
it was just such a beautiful moment in like underground rap.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Like, well, I feel like, Yeah should have signed everybody
because he could.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Have right Space goes per everybody.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Everybody cutthroat, you know, Joey Fats, Matthews. Ye, he could
have like the whole beast coast, like he could have
figured something something.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, we were super young, so like I had underachievers.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
We we growing into ourselves and I don't think everybody
fully understood their powers, right, but yeah, definitely, Like when
I think of a SAP, it ain't just us. It's
like we all threw that up. We all threw the
handshake up with TD. We did the same handshake with them,
with UZI, with Lil YACHTI with like these just all

(18:28):
and they was the second coming Cardi, Like that's that's
all the mob for was there?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Because I think back to like the early Cozy Tape
ship and like I, I like knew Cardi had like
star qualities to him, but I had no idea like
he had superstar, biggest rock star in rap quality, Like
what was like it being around like during the Cozy
Tape early you know Cardi days, because that's the first

(18:56):
time I ever heard Cardi was, I think on the
first Cozy Tapes project, like, did you have any idea
this this could even be an outcome? Like it's kind
of crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I could not lie to you and say yes I did,
Like I mean, I never put it past anybody to
you know, become what they're gonna become.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
But you know, to me, he was already successful, like
he was already doing this.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But to even think past what he where he was
at and just when he took his his fashion and
creative direction and just created a world very commendable. And no,
I did not see all of this coming, but I'll
give Rocky credit because Rocky seen it and he told

(19:38):
me early on he said, Yo, this dude, he's about
to be like the next Wayne. And I'm like what
And not in a bad way, but I'm just like, yo,
he got his own style, his own thing. And I
don't know if him and Cardi, that's that's what I
gotta like asks either one of them like next time
I see him, as like, did you have conversation about

(20:01):
the Wayne thing or this and that? Because he really
like and now he on some like Michael Jackson shit
like he just but it's all vamped out.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's all. It's very different than what it was then,
like ten years ago. Cardi is like a lot different.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But but when you think about it, is.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It that's fair? Is it? Like really? Like when you
look at the makeup of it all, and like, yeah,
when I think when he comes from like Telephone Calls,
which is one of my favorite records, and like even
him on that was just like hellaly, like what the
fuck is it?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Like no, he's he's just doing what he learned. Like
you think about opium, opium is is asap for sure.
You know what I'm saying. They doing it in their way.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it's the new I tell people who don't get it,
and I'm one of those people, by the way, Uh,
it's just the new punk rock. We don't have punk
rock anymore. Like like when we're growing up, bro, Like
there was fucking like rock bands that were cracking, but
who was that cook now? But we was doing the
goth But what I'm saying black I'm saying. I'm saying
like that's just the new iteration of it. It's yeah,

(21:10):
I mean, but that's what it's the Internet era. But
that's what hip hop always been. Look at the Furies
five and and uh, all of these guys wear fringes
on the leather jackets and tight leather pants. We've been
rock stars and hip hop is made of all of
those elements anyway. Yeah, yeah, when you watch Broking Glass everywhere,

(21:30):
like they was wearing cowboy boots and leather pants and
fringes on the leather jackets. You know what. I always
wanted to ask you because one of my favorite tours
was when you and Tory went out and uh, this
was right after Toy's first album and it was like
a co headline tour. I feel like, but was it ever?

(21:53):
Like in this food was doing all kind of crazy
ass ship, Like his live show was crazy, Like like
what was that was that? Like? What was that tour like?
Because it had to like you guys had to motivate
each other because you had the crazy energy. His energy
on that on that tour was he was he was doing,
he was in the crowd, he was doing all kind
of wild. He was climbing, limbing up on the ship.

(22:14):
It was wild. He was playing the fucking monkey bars
at every venue.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I like touring with him because like, my songs did
a lot of the crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Ship, right your songs had the energy. Yeah, my songs
did a lot of crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Ship and then when he because we was going like
back and forth, I do like three songs. He come out,
do three songs when he come out. I don't think
he even had the big songs yet he did. Yeah,
so he he he's.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
He's showing people like, Yo, this is supposed to be
His biggest record was the Afrobeat Sounded Joint And then
say it.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And he's fucking climbing around but yeah, how you like
when how like how are you doing all of this?
Like but he's like climbing the second floor and ship. Yeah,
I'm like, Yo, just don't get sued.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, like come on, like, don't fall on a fucking fan.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Don't kill anybody, but Yo, shout out to Tory. I
remember early on Sasha.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Sasha is a great guy.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, Sasha is his manager. My dude, he brought Torri
early Tori to my hotel room and he played me
a freestyle that he did the shava on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Crazy not like this dude is nice. Yeah it's nasty. Yo.
This new polo record that you just dropped, I saw
you kind of paying homage to like all the low Heads,
which for people who don't know, there's like a subculture
from the nineties where there was a ton of heavy
shoplifting going on in New York. Everybody had the polo collection.
Shout out to like Thurston Howe and all those guys.

(23:45):
How much of like when you were growing up, Like
how much of the polo because the polo shit was
it was very much like a subgenre of culture. But
their low heads were like serious motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Hey they wear polo like bloods with red It's crips
with blue bandannas. But yeah, but yeah, like the low
headed thing was is a thing.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
It is a thing and was a thing.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
But we was just winning polo because we liked polo,
like as kids, Like we wasn't even on We just wear.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
What we like.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, the polo ship was man, but they just took
it to a whole other level.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
And yeah, the towels, the the whatever.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Like jet skis. But yeah, I had to pay her
homage because Ralph is one of the best to do it.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's how you met.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I met him a few times. I mean, yeah, shout
out to Ralph. Definitely shoutouts to Ralph Lichwitz.

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(25:51):
I saw Baby Sam in New York and I think
she had just bought a painting off you. Yeah, but
you're like fully doing like art, like you did the
art for your album, You did art for your last
last album, for the new single. When did you kind
of find this pocket? Were you like confident enough to
like kind of because I feel like as an artist
it's probably like a little intimidating to like go out

(26:14):
outward with your art because you don't know how the
world's going to receive it, right.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I've always lived in that grete space though, like that
like that, uh, I always want to be on a
on a cusp of like what's next with my creativity.
So whether that's like you know, doing a song that
sample Smacked my Bitch up by Prodigy, or like doing
like a Crystal Waters sample with like with Missy Elliott

(26:42):
with Mustard. Like I'm always pushing, like even doing a
deep song like Pool on my last album. I'm always
like living on the edge with my artistry. And during
the pandemic, I was just sitting with myself and I
was just like, Yo, what what can I do to
just take my ship to the next level. And I've

(27:04):
been like on this thing of like building my own
world like I've always it's like, yo, people got to
see my world because they'll understand the music more once
they know fully who I am. And I was like, yeah,
they got to get it immersed into my daily routines,
like you know what I do to stay sane in

(27:25):
this business of my workout, my art, my my how
I think about clothing because that's what Rockefeller did for us,
you know what I'm saying. Like when I started thinking
about like all of the different facets and.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Entities that they.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Created, clothing, movies, liquor, everything all of that, I'm like,
they created everything for us. They created the Bible basically
for us to live by and like blueprint. And I
was like, all right, bet let me figure this out.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
If you don't, I don't want to pocket watch. But
what's the most you saw the painting for so far?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
That's private and I don't think the five digits. I
don't think the owners will appreciate you know this, This
this art thing is very Have you been commissioned, Yeah,
I've been commissioned from Hennessy to do a creative piece,
an art piece and I've been commissioned by Adidas, Oh
that's fire, to do an art piece, not by a person,

(28:26):
by corporations. And then recently I've just been commissioned to
to basically curate a space for ug Fieldhouse where like
people could come in and create their own ugs at
a workshop.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
And what's up with the ug rand as stock man?
What's like? My son is a he like he wants ugs,
but he's like a little fashioned dude and he's like
he'd be having a little ugg slides. I'm like his Instagram,
I'll show you right now. He got all the baggy
ship on. Like he's like he of the ugslides. Bro Yeah,

(29:02):
the ugslides is joints is comfortable. But I always thought
ugs were for broads, you know what I'm saying, Like, Nah,
this fool is in Japan living it up. He's a
hooper back' he's twelve twelve twelve flying He just he's
just flying into fly ship. Yeah. You know it's crazy too,

(29:24):
because like I'm sure you got of man bagging baggy
ship being back. Yeah, whatever's wrong with it. It's not
it's nothing that it's wrong, it's just it's it's just crazy.
How baggy the ship's.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Getting but you ain't used to wear baggy ship of course.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
But I'm like my older son is like trying to
get his hands on Jinkos. Older son twenty, I'm like, yo,
jink bro, you understand. I'm like, you understand, Like motherfuckers
used to all the white trash juggalos used to wear
Jinkos to shoplifted. They had the big pockets. Just go
to like fucking Jugglos. Is the clown face, Yeah, yeah,

(30:02):
Just It's just crazy how everything's full circle and there's
some of these funs shake Gilders. Now. I used to understand,
like your pa bro, So I'd be seeing the ship
SGA be wearing after these games and I'm like, yo,
this is.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't even be surprised by it, because you gotta
remember when I first came out, I was bringing back
Tommy Hill Fish.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, cool g or all of that stuff. You know
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You know, they're like, oh, that's why the old g's
was digging what I was doing because they could resonate
with what I was pulling out the box. And it's
the same thing with your kids. They seeing and then
you got the internet. Now that's going crazy. So beyond
even what you're looking at, they might tap into a
whole nother era.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
They might go into the seventies. Motherfuckers is wearing the
hot topic pants and ship like the rave pants and
all kind of straps and chains and shit. I'm like,
the fuck is going on? I feel I definitely I
feel like I'm the old head for sure now, just
like you are.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I mean, hey, listen, I'm the cool all.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yo. When you guys first came out,
there was this narrative about how y'all didn't sound New
York enough, and you guys were because you guys were
so heavily influenced by everywhere. Right, was that ever something
y'all listened to or gave a fuck about?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Negative? Yeah, it's Internet. It's the Internet age. So we
were getting beats from beautiful lou Clams casino.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Clams wasn't making beats like a Jersey person like, it
wasn't no sound at that point like we had we
had dipset and fifty cents a point of reference.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, you think about that, especially think about fifty fifties
wrapping over everything. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, he but
fifty was one of the found like full for like
founding fathers of mixing it because when he went to
mess with Dre and came to the West Coast, he
rapping over West Coast type beats with a Southern slang yep,

(32:00):
and he had he had Young Buck with him exactly
that melody drum.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
So we ain't really started. We just we learned.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah. No, it felt like you guys had such a uh.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
To me and then and then also to you got
Cameron get It in the Ohio r.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Gas, don't forget about that album, doing the song, doing
the songs with master P and all of that, and
he did the Batter Batter remix and then he did
like the fucking on Purple Haze. He readed the Twister
and the Speeding Up Mobster's record.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, he was like he was like a Southern hallm nigga,
Like with the the the loud pink, with the colored car,
the you know what I'm saying, Like the the loudness,
that's something like Southern ship, Like we loud in a
flamboyant way.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Where did the Houston influence come in on everything?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I feel like that was more so a Rocky thing. Yeah,
because Rocky was moving around, changing schools and.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
All of that. Right, Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
But I just liked to chop and screw my shit,
and that came natural to me. I didn't know that,
Like it was a person named DJ Screw and the
bard Baby and all of the like Killer Colone and
all of these guys bun Be and all of these
dudes that was. I didn't put it all together until
I start moving around and I'm like, oh, this is

(33:26):
a culture.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
How do you end up? Because I do feel like,
you know, your debut album, you have b Real on there,
you have bone Thugs? How do you end up getting Onyx? Yeah?
How do you figure out the Bone Thugs feature? Those
guys are hard to get to do much of anything.
I don't know. I just did it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I don't even know who I reached out to to
get them, like or Onyx.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Onyx is crazy too, yeah, Like but in my mind,
like just creating like the song that I got asked
in Matthews on with with Doctor Green Thumb, I was
just like, yeah, they we have to bridge the gap.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like I just was all about. My whole theory was
like to.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Create history you have to make history with history, so
like literally, like if I made a song with Bone Thugs,
then when you type their name in Google, you're gonna
see my name. It's almost like you were able to
pull the errors together on a project, Like you walk
on a record and then you had Bone on a record. Yep.
I feel like you've done that pretty well throughout your
whole career too.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You always pay homage. I had Shoba on a record,
shap I got on a shop a remix that's wild
by the way, shap I got on a shop of
remix with Buster Rohms and the Migos.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Damn, I forgot the Migos that might have been like
one of the first remixes they did ever. Yeah, I
mean that's when they first.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I didn't ask them to do it. Yeah they
so I was rocking with them.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
That's like when like Takeoff was like the main guy,
Like I think people forget, Like when they first came out,
Takeoff was like the dude who's flow everyone stole.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know if they stole it. I think that
they would.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Because flow is takeoffs. I got so.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Many songs with these dudes, like and I seen a
process they literally got a telepathy because you know Quavo
on Takeoff as cousins yea, so like literally like I
watched Takeoff do a verse leave spaces open and Cuavo

(35:33):
fill them in m literally like literally like so back
at like before they got like on a super like
slow R and B like for all of the girls.
And Cuevo told me when he was gonna do that too.
Before that it was just straight trapping and the dolls
out there window like they was on something trap about
that band. Oh, I feel like I feel like Cuevo

(35:55):
getting back to that him now.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And he needs to ship. Yeah. What was the thought
process when you put Snoop Dogg on the East Coast
remix with everybody from New York?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
That was Brian Leach's idea. He was like, Yo, just
get everybody, And I was just like yo, but you
had like I'm like, Snoop Dogg is from the West
Coast and uh Rick Ross is from the South. But
he was just like, yo, get everybody on there, like
you could represent all of the coasts. So it was
basically like a shout out.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, like like like like we're gonna like the originals
the East Coast Joint the What's so so funny about that? Though?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
That video is that Snoop Dogg sent in for the video.
He sent in a video, an I phone video of
him in the studio doing his part, but he has
a bow tie on talking the most gangsteris shit ever? Like, Yo, bro,
if you look at that video right now, he has

(36:54):
a bow tie.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
On, the King of the Side, quest Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yo, I'm like, only this dude could get away with
this type of shit.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You're obviously you're building a Like when did you really
get kind of committed to building this fash or the
fitness thing you're doing. Because I saw you running with
with Nori and you know the fir Strong thing. I
saw you doing a boot camp. Yeah, makes me tired
of just watching it.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
These are the things that I do with the camera off.
So like when I created the fag Strong song and
then the video, I was just like, Yo, I never
really married me working out with my songs because a
lot of people tell me they work out or they
train to my songs.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Athletes you do have all time workout records.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So I was like, yo, I need to insert myself
into it and see what happens with doing that because
I work out, so like, let me just show myself
doing it. And then I'm like, all right, what would
be better than myself working out, like working out with people.
So I started doing like these activations and running with people.
And it's also a part of my fitness journey too,
holding myself accountable, like whenever I try. I went to Japan,

(38:01):
and I'm like holding myself accountable by linking up with
these running groups so I can make sure that I
get my ship in when I'm traveling. So that's really
where it started.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah. Now it's like it's like it's a thing. That's
the thing. Yeah, it's a movement, burg Strong, burg Strong. Yeah. Yeah,
are you like actively like watching what you're eating? Ship?
For sure? Definitely.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I've always done that though, Like I've always been helf conscious.
My father died of a kidney failure, so like you know,
when he passed away.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Got teas fucking yoked. That's my uncle, Your uncle's.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, he got the muscles that don't go away, but
he can eat whatever he wants. Yeah I can't. I
can't follow him. I literally thought about that yesterday. I'm like, yo,
his breed is different, like his makeup is differentabolism just
it's built different.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, heat a light skin version, so I don't know,
like skin people would get away with other stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yo, when you did Plane Jane, did you send it
to Juicy j before it came out, like to be like, hey,
look what I did. I flipped the slop on my knob. Shit.
I didn't send it to him, but I got him
on a version that's in the video. But I just
I was just wondering, like if you were working on
it initially, like you set it off to be like
hey check this out, like this is what I'm cooking

(39:14):
right now. Nah.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Nah, I don't think I did that, but I sent
it to him to get on and I have a
version with him on it. So if you watch the
Plane Jane video, yeah there's it's a clip of him rapping.
You hear him rapping like literally like eight bars and
yeah that's the only.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So that was supposed to be like an Easter egg
back then. I don't know if anybody picked it up.
Did NICKI just get on it on her own? No?
Or did you guys we was in the studio together. Yeah,
oh so you guys are in the studio.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It was a few different people that called me to
get on the remix, but the Nikky one felt.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
It kind of feels like, if she gets on it,
that's enough.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I wasn't gonna do I wasn't gonna do it at all.
I wasn't gonna I was turning things down, like but
then I thought it would be dope because I didn't
want a bunch of dudes just coming to my show.
For sure, Nikki, she's gonna have the shorties pull up
so and.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It just felt like a New York moment, like she's
talking that ship like, yeah, she's a I mean, she's
Nicki Minaj. It's crazy because during that era, there's just
two songs that were the same BPM that everybody played
back to back. It was that No Limit Oh Yeah
with GZ and Rocky came out first. But I'm saying,
like I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying no,

(40:32):
but I'm saying, if you went to the club during that,
you would hear the plane Jane fucking No Limit back
to back. No, I'm not gonna lie to this day.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
By the way, I'm not gonna little that No Limit
beat slaps so.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Hard, crazy Rocky killed that show.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
The moment that I heard it, I'm in the club
in New York. I forget the name of the club.
He was in the club and they playing playing Jane.
I'm having my moment, sh it is going crazy. And
then Gez is literally across from me, and then they.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Said we got the new g Easy No Limit record.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
And then they dropped that ship. I'm like, whoa what
it sounded like playing James but on crack. Yeah, that
was because it was just a deeper that beats same bpm,
but a deeper like that. Shit just sound meaner crazy.
We went on together too.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Me and g Great guy, man, great guy. He's a
fun hang He lives in New York now too, he does.
I don't know if the world was to know that.
I think everyone knows that he posted NonStop. Yeah, shout
to Gerald what what was? Because I feel like we've
had to wait between bodies and work with you for
a while. We should have named our tour Gerald Lferg.

(41:49):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
That'd have been fire Gerald Laferg.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
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more output from you. Immediately after last year's album. I
thought last year's album was dope because it was kind
of like your most introspective project, personal project. Fast forward
to this new album that's coming. First of all, you

(42:57):
got the battery in your back right now, because I
feel like usually we got to wait a few years
to get a first project. What is it about, like
just this moment where you're just locked in and tell
me about the new album too.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I feel liberated dropping that last project because, like you said,
it was so introspective and I had this, I had
it on me, like I like trying to create that
project for so long and wanting to create that creative masterpiece.
I feel like people not even really gonna fully internalize

(43:28):
that album into you know, years to come. But those
each song on that project, it takes so much to
It's a lot, it's a lot of information on that album.
But it like with me dropping like the music right after.
Like I've always wanted to just be more consistent with
dropping music like every year instead of.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Like waiting three years, three years and all of that.
Because the four season was twenty nineteen, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Even know, but I know, like it's like two three
years apart, like all my albums, that's usually how I
do it, but I'm not I want on us like
because I'm always recorded, I'm never not recording, and I
just right after I put out that album, like I
was recording, and you know, I look up and I
had a project together.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
So I just wanted to wave flow exactly. What do
you have a title for the new project? It's called
flip Phone Shorty. Flip Phone Shorty, lip phone Shorty? What
inspires that is just the era of ring tone? We got?
We got, we got some flip phone Shorty vibes on there.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. This album is crack. This
this I ain't gonna lie. This might be one of
my best projects. And for a different reason than like
Darryl and like trap Lord and just like it. This
is sonically another level wrapping another level. Like It's just

(44:49):
I don't even want to talk too much about it
because I feel like I'm gonna be a like Corny
just chatting about it.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I'd rather listen to it. Who's on the album?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
So we got Gucci Man on the album? Okay, we
got low B on the.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Album, the Fucking Base God, the West Coast Swag. We
got a witch on the album That's a Fire. Yeah,
we got who else we got on the album? We
got french Man ten on the album you Gotta get
Max be on there man, get over the get it
over the goal line. You know you gotta let him,

(45:24):
You gotta let him live life alone.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, yeah, I just he almost was about to do
seventy five joints.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I know. It's like, yo, man, hey, he might have
the best first day out ever. That motherfucker went straight
to the Jets game. Yeah, he was on the field
like It's almost like he didn't miss a beat for real.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Who else I got on an album? I missed somebody,
I said, Gucci Man. Yeah, Oh, I got my artist
Hunter Hunter Bead and one the album It's Fire Super Fire.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
How often do you and Rocky can I got? I
got se Lo on the album Seo Green. Yeah, man,
but that goodie mob Seelo. You got singing Sea Loo,
which kind of Sea Low. We got on here because
there's there's so many versions. You gotta wait and see
se Lo. I don't think people people forget that he
could wrap his ass off now he obviously you gotta
gotta wait and see. But I say, how often do
you in Rocky communicate these days? I haven't spoke to

(46:19):
Rocky in a minute. Yeah, it's just so busy, you know,
just having a family, don't know, Yeah, like we just
being grown Yeah yeah, yeah. Was it crazy to kind
of watch that whole trial take place with former friends
that was all in the same crew together. Had to
be just a wild thing. It's weird. It was so real.
It was like, nah, who would have thought we'd end

(46:43):
up here type ship? Yeah, very much. So You've been
pretty good to like I feel like staying out of
any of like the negative energy that is came from that.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, like I came here to have a good time
and then joying myself and you know, live this life
like I'm not. I never really like I always we
come from a lot of like bullshit. So it's like
I don't I don't really want to dive into that,
especially at this level.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Like right, what would you see yourself ever doing? Like
I feel like we're gonna get like a twenty five
year anniversary asap mob towards some ship.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oh I hit Rocky every year about like yeah, what
are we doing?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, like people want it.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's so for me that type of ship is easy,
but I understand that, like you know, when it's when
it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen when it's supposed to happen.
Who do you have on your Harlem Mount Rushmore? If
you got to exclude your crew, by the way, let's
exclude how we're gonna do that because because that's the rules,
I'm making the rules here?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Wait, it is it? Is it a certain amount of
people that can put up there for one with a
in front of their name, Big L One shout out
to Big L Flamboyant Entertainment for life? Can we do
dip set as a whole? I'll let you cheat. Go ahead,
dip set, dip set, mm hmm, dip said paulam Rushmore.

(48:22):
Maybe Mace, Yeah, Mace, of course, Mace one more.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
We gotta say Mace, like with the whole bad Boy.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Of course, I mean all of them? Yeah, Mace. Who
else am I missing berg without the asap in the front?
Oh God, damn, I got you with that one. Jesus

(48:59):
is is cute tip from Harlem? Hell? No? I think
so there's some queens. I would have felt bad if
you was like, what who is from Harlem? Black Robers
from Harlem? Right? Yeah? Black rob Depth. She Depp's first album,
Child of the ghetto was crazy. I don't listen to that.
So in the car bro it's so good. It's smoke disneys, fire, smoke, disness, fire,

(49:23):
shout outs to smoke. Now I think, I think, uh, I.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Think we're a small community, man, This is true. We
have like fourteen I don't want to I don't want
to say it. We have a very small population in Harlem.
Is Davies from Marlon, Yes he is. I mean you
could fund put Davies right there.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I'd rather put myself there. Yeah, but that's that's cheating.
You guys are implied. What you mean, you're implied. It's
implied that you guys are on the Mount Rushmore obviously.
Yeah yeah, sure you fucking they sat mob of course
gotta be like what yeah, yeah, Big L. Though you
like the new Big L album Fire, you know what

(50:05):
it is. I'm so used to hearing some of the
vocals on that album, like on the z yeah, like
on the internet how they were recorded, so to hear
them kind of like on the leads, it just was like,
I like the Macmillan like there's some shit on there,
Like I really wish they would have included a Devil's
Son on there because Devil's Son is like a big

(50:25):
l song that is like crazy and it's just on
the internet. Yeah, but you know it's like him talking
about like raping nuns and shit, you know what I mean?
Like that was he was a movie. He was on
that horror core shit. Pretty crazy. Listen to the new
album's coming out with the flip phone shorty we coming
before the Years Out, Before the Years Out, for the
Years Out. How can people like, if you are going

(50:49):
to a city, do you do like a fir strong
workout announcement? Like how do people get in your boot
camp or whatever the fuck you got going on? Stay
tuned you'll see, like me post different sta. This gun
has got the one want to Runner club Yeah, the
wan A Runner. Yeah, you got the ferd Strong, the
fd Strong. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I also got a festival. It's a it's a health
and wellness festival. It's called flow Fair. I did my
first one this year.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, tell me about that because that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's on my Instagram too. Like so basically my father
died of a kidney failure. We was doing these health
fiars and its name and I was like, yo, how
can I scale it? I was like all right, let
me do a festival devoted to health awareness. So we
do sound bowl healing workout classes. We got food there

(51:37):
and we also got the meditation, and then later we
have the music portion.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
That's pretty dope. Yeah, we did it.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
We started off with a five k run though, so
we go from like nine to four with all the
workout stuff, and then like the changeover from like five
to like nine, we go music.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Have you done a full merit yet? Not yet? Man,
that shit looks serious. Do it with me next year.
I don't know if I could do a five k,
what's no? I could do three? Yeah, three miles? Yeah,
I could do three five k with jelly roll. Twenty
twenty six miles. See twenty six miles is a problem.
You could do it though, Yo, there's people shout out

(52:19):
to my boy and Nabel he has one leg and
he finished the whole marathon. Damn, you have no excuse,
youreen Lyon. I ain't got no excuse. I got two legs.
Do that, That's what I'm saying. But I feel like
you got a train. All you got to do is
just like do it once, just say you did it. Bro.
Twenty six miles is like from here to like fucking lax.

(52:40):
That's cool. Can you imagine running to lax? That's fucking crazy?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Hey yo, if you got hey yo, yo yo, check
this out. If you gotta stop, then stop right, but
you can keep going stop.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
It's like an all day thing, right.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
No marathon, I mean, I don't know how long the
actual marathon lasts for, but people be finishing their runs
like three four hours.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
No, yeah, that's a half a marathon. Yo. There's people
that do like two hundred Okay, so according to uh,
I guess you're right, the average marathon time is four
and a half hours. Yo. But check this out. David Goggins, Oh,
I know that guy. That guy's a psycho. I love him.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
One hundred to two hundred miles three day marathon, how
about that?

Speaker 1 (53:22):
No, I see the way that guy wakes up in
the morning and runs, and if he's doing that, we
have no excuse. Sometimes I watch David Goggins, No, he'd
be breaking while he's running. Have you seen still? Have
you seen his feet? He's shown his feet. His feet
are crazy, but they had to rebuild his knees. I
know that bro. That motherfucker makes me feel like I

(53:44):
ain't shit, I Conker the bitch, and you who's gonna win.
It's four in the morning and I've already won thirty
miles pussy, and I'm like, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I got a homeboy who runs all of the train stops,
and that's that's the That's the length of a marathon,
all of the train stops in New York.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
That's a lot. So what is that from? He does
that from? Like, I don't know if it's all the
way up to Harlem or the.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Bronx was like wherever, like it might be like yeah,
like from like Brooklyn all the way to New York,
I mean all the way to like the Bronx or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh, before you go, how do you feel about the
new mayor of zorn Mondani getting elected in New York.
I don't even know about all of that. I have
been on these press runs. He was at the wu
Tang got hurt. He was at the run. To me,
he's a he's I.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Gotta I gotta catch up on the politics doorn Salid.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
He's a good guy and he's he's a former rapper.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You sound like you you endorsing him.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
With him, I donated. I donated. I don't live in
New York, all right? Did you know he used to rap?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
No, I don't know anything about him.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Before we go, we're gonna we need to have you
review Zoron's rapping. It is interesting, to say the least.
The song is called Nanny Nanni Nanny.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Oh is that the that's the homie you were telling
me about.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
So this is Zoran the Mayor of New York's rap
song from around pandemic time. It's about his grandma. His
name is mister card. That fool looks good. Good video
in our house. We're not living in Europe. Oh yeah,
I'll see him Wednesday. He'd be on TikTok bro. He's lit.

(55:36):
He's the new mayor of New York City. The talking
about his grandma. When he released this I think twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
With a whisper. This is before AI.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, he's got the part where he's in the food truck.
There he is getting slapped by nanny. Ah. That's the mayor,
first hip hop mayor shirtless in a food truck. I

(56:20):
mean it's original, right, it's fire I jacket. It's not
a bad video. It's he puts some effort into it
as mad creative. He hired an old lady actor. It
reminds me of like early am I. A that's that's crazy.
It does yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're trying to eat.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Like am I used to have some of the best videos, like.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
You Gotta Get You Gotta Get Zoron on a song
I don't know about all that call it we run
New York quite literally. You're running from fucking train stop
to train stop as a part of your for extra
on fitness. And Zoron is the mayor. Gotta I gotta
tap into Zoran there it is.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
If he could actually help us, he might.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Be able to. We'll see anyway. Listen, Man, I appreciate
you for pulling up the new album's coming out before
the end of the year. And uh, polos outos out. Yeah,
we got the next one coming. What's the next one?
It's called Big Dog with Me like it there. It

(57:27):
is Man, the ferg Man, my brother