August 30, 2021 • 29 mins
Interview #97 on The Bootleg Kev Podcast we have Hell Rell, JR Writer & 40 Cal! These 3 legends are also the original members of Dipset! we talks about how they met and how they became part of Dipset also touch on the versus battle that took place couple weeks ago. Although Hell Rell, JR Writer & 40 Cal weren't invited on stage at the versus they tell us how they felt about the outcome of the night and what they would do differently. This was a dope interview and stay tune for their freestyle video!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yes, what a look fucking day. Man did a long
fucking day. Goddamn it. Hey listen, Welcome to the Blue
Leg cav Podcast. So we had some New York OG's
pull up JR. Ryder, forty cow hell Rel all former affiliates,
(00:25):
really former members of Dipset. We're not going to do
the affiliates thing. They were in Dipset. Let's be clear.
They came up here, caught a body on the freestyle.
I mean, they fucking caught a fucking body on the freestyle,
and we did a little interview, you know what I mean.
And I really really wanted to just talk to them
and understand what they thought about the Versus Battle because
(00:46):
they weren't on stage. They didn't get the invite, and
I thought that was some fuck shit. With that being said,
I love Dipset, I love Cameron, I love Juel's, love Jimmy.
I just it would have been nice to see those
guys on stage, you know. So I wanted to get
their take on the entire versus Battle. I just talk
about what they got going on, you know. So, uh,
we're gonna talk to dipse at Alum hell Rel forty
(01:11):
cal My bro Bro jail Rider, the writer of Writers
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you something. Let's get into the interview with jail Rider,
hellrail In forty, cab Out Yo Man, bootlet Cap Podcasts
Special guests guests rather hell Real, Jr. Rider, Ye forty
Cow Yes Er Yo Man, Welcome to the show, fellas well,
Welcome back Jr. You know Jr. Two time guests hell
(02:16):
Real forty cow welcome. Uh how First of all, how's
everybody doing? Yeahtpet oh yeah, because you was on in
a mean head. Yeah so you did the radio station
and you came on the yeah body that which yes
you did, Yes you did? Man. Well, how's everybody doing? First? Last, great, last, beautiful?
(02:37):
Everybody's good? What was it twenty eighteen? You guys dropped
the project together? Or was it twenty nineteen? So that
was twenty eighteen? What is it like? You guys are
all in l a here together for a reason. What
is going on? Is there gonna be some new music? Yeah,
we're cooking up. We're working a whole lot of stuff
going on, a whole lot of stuff. I had a
new new record call History That's crazy produced by uh okay.
(03:04):
But yeah, and we're shooting a video in Miami coming soon,
so we're working there. It is Hey, so I got it.
Before we get we just gotta what's everyone's thoughts on
what happened versus? It was a dope show. It was amazing.
It was it was you were in the building, right,
was everyone there? Yeah? We actually uh we actually was
(03:25):
there early. We had walked out shouts to Michael Hunter
walked out the main event that night at the boxing match,
which was before the verses, right right, right, right, So yeah,
we was there. So was there any like a lot
of inside with my ring h Obviously a lot of
dipset fans were disappointed and not see you guys maybe
(03:46):
making appearance. Yeah, I was disappointed. I wanted to be
on the stage. Yeah, I mean there was a lot
of people on stage. You would think like, you know
what what what were you like, was there any discussion
of that or was that ever something that was discussed
or I was supposed to make it happen as far
as like we were supposed to all, yeah, be there,
you know from my understanding, you know what I mean,
what do you think happened? I don't know. You never know.
(04:09):
It's like when it kind of especially when it kind
of business like when money gets involved in certain things.
Not that I'm saying that that's that was the cause,
but you know, I never got to reach back a callback.
So I went ahead and you know, did what we did?
You know what I mean, I had an opportunity to
walk out at the fight with Trela And was there
(04:31):
any what about you l liked? Was there any conversation
with anybody you know about because I remember watching the
battle and you popping up on the on the screen
is not on stand I was. I was like you said,
we was ringside. So we we just came to uh
walk the fight out. Mh. We was about to leave.
(04:54):
You want to stay for the verses. What's interesting about
all three of you guys is like I feel like
out of all the major like app cruise and hip hop,
like when we think of like Wu Tang clan, like really,
the only outsider of the original nine that was ever
considered a real Wu Tang member was Capa Dona right.
Everybody else is you guys were all dip Set. We
know that. You know what I'm saying. We know that,
(05:15):
and so that's why it just to me because they
started out as Jim Freaky Zeky Juwel's and Cam as
the Diplomats. When we came along, it was so when
people screamed Dipset, that's us too, you know how, because
(05:35):
because the last album you guys dropped, you dropped it
the same day as the Dipset Project, which was which
was nice and uh petty, you know what I'm saying.
Strategic opportunistic and strategic. You know, it's just it was
smart because you know, everybody all and some might argue,
(05:56):
you guys album was better. Oh that's what know what
I'm saying, But that's problems. But it was a great
day for DIPS fans. Yeah, because because we got both
of those projects, the fans got a chance to hear
from everybody. Yeah, but I think that like there's like
a feeling that like there's like a disconnect between you
(06:18):
guys and the main guys of the crew. Is that
is that something that's factional as far as like as
far as what I mean, like like are like how's
your relation how how are your guys' relationships with Jim
with Joelle's Okay, I'm cool with everybody. I speak to Gym,
you know, we DM each other here and there, you
know what I mean. I spoke to him. As far
as the versus, you know, I don't really want to
(06:38):
go into detail because it's like irrelevant, you know, I
mean at this point, but I'm glad with nobody cool.
I got love for everybody, Like there's no there's no
love loss or nothing like. Yeah, people think that because
we don't do business no more. That you know, it's
some problems, bad blood, but it's not like everybody professional
(07:00):
like I've reached out to be on to make it
happen so we can all be on the stage. Because
I felt like it was it would be a dope
thing to see, you know what I mean, It would
have been dope. What do you guys think was the
strategic error in the Versus performance? I mean on dip
(07:21):
Sen's behalf, because obviously the Locks one, just as from
a hip hop fan perspective, chemistry, chemistry, I would say,
like preparation and you know, the right records and you know,
just really studying your opponent because they didn't really I
don't think they took it. You know, they getting paid
for it like they can. I'm pretty sure they get
(07:42):
a nice bag for it, you get what I'm saying.
So yeah, I think the money kind of created a
cushion and it's like some people are coming into its
versus So versus was always a thing where you're celebrated,
you know what I mean. And it's not more like
a battle. This is more like it's to guard it
at the at the garden at the gardens Locks, You
(08:04):
get what I'm saying, and you know, yeah, I think
preparation is because I feel like if Cam would have
had some picked some different records as far as like
even freestyles, what Yeah, I don't feel like he did
in his bag like he could have. I could have
catalog Stupid, the mixtape, the mixtapes. I could have jumped
(08:24):
up there and told them like like, yo, do this
this this? What? What do you? What do you? What
would you have? Like? What do you think he didn't
perform that? You would have had them performed shake, not
even just records the freestyle s like Cam, like like
even his verse on being from TV. Yeah, that's what's
(08:44):
crazy is they did that and I was like band
from TV Paul two verse and got everybody out of there.
He could have did that me like and Kiss said
in an interview like certain certain records he play. So
I don't really feel like, you know, I don't know bad.
So to answer your question, keV, I feel like like
(09:05):
best Out would have been like a dope song. And
the irony is we you know, we walked the fighter
out to that record before he and he won, you
know what I'm saying. So, and the irony of that
also being best out is the same record from the
fight night game. People used to play it back in
the day, So you know, I guess that's starting to
be like the symbolic record of Fighters now, you know
(09:27):
what I'm saying, Like, you know, come out the best style.
You're gonna get some good ones. There is some irony
that no matter what you guys did, end up performing
in the building the same night run right. That ship
is kind of wild to think about that there was
a fight prior you guys it's god and was I
mean I went backstage and all that. I went to
the dip set like a dresser room man. He went backstage.
(09:48):
Everybody that's behind the scenes, we you know, we you know,
Dipset and everybody. But we we we began as a family,
so we know everybody from you know, the guys from
the drive the truck to to the guys that hold
people down. So they all feel me. So, so what's
everyone doing, obviously, besides coming together and working together, what's individually?
(10:08):
What's everyone working? Obviously? You just put a project out?
Was it last year? Right? Yeah? Probably like eight months ago. Yeah,
what's everyone working on? I'm fresh off a Golden Triangle.
I just put that out June tenth. So you got
new music out. Just put out an EP. June tenth
is doing pretty good. Just put out another record call
or really shit I ever wrote off of Golden Triangles
(10:30):
Part two that's about to drop any day now, Okay,
so what about you forty To be honest, I had
stopped for a minute because I was going through something personal.
But the last time I was active, I was doing
battle rap. I was getting paid a bag for that.
Shout out the RBE and smack as well, and I
(10:54):
started my own like little battle thing. It's a seed
that's growing called wr GB. Shout out to them, and
it's a place where local talent can come through zoom
and battle for money for people to battle. So that's
just like on zoom. Yeah, on zoom you can if
anybody interested on my instagrams, it's forty cal you can
(11:17):
DM me whatever and you nice. We we it's like
medical premeditated battles, like you'll know who you're battling and
you know we pay money for that. But that's just
like something a little I do w l g B.
So right now you feel like you're back, like your
head's back in the game. As far as you know,
just just getting back on your wrap ship, you know.
To be honest, I think Jall and hell route for
(11:38):
that because I ain't. I ain't want to rap. I'm I'm,
I'm I'm literally I'll be in the streets sometimes to
be honest, Sorry about that. I be like, I really like,
I don't I just be trying to make money doing whatever.
And it took, uh, it took like long talk with
JA being in the studio with Hell Energy, be like, Yo,
(12:01):
you know what, this is what I love, This is
what I grew, this is what I did for the
past fifteen seventeen years, what I'm saying. So when you
bring it back to that, you know, I feel like
that that's the motivation. I mean, that's why you do
it right. And originally y'all love the ship. What I'm saying.
We both shared the same kind of like story because
we both had tragic convincing our life. I lost my mother,
my father, and my grandmother all the thing same year.
(12:26):
That's a rough year, man, And I still got all
my marbles. Yeah, I ain't. You know what's the famous
saying that he ain't been the same since his mother died. Well,
try mother, father and grandmother? Did that take you a
while to get over that as well? And I just
snapped out of depression after four years because of Jay.
Al right, wow yo ya mak'm God. He's supposed to
(12:49):
God may help me snap out of depression. He said,
let's get some more millions together. I said, you're right, yo,
because I mean he's down playing, but he of U
stopped doing music, Like this is what he's done. Tell
me about like I'd be like, he'd be like, yo,
getting your ass cap or you're being my from the
this and that and you know the labels. Oh, I'd
(13:10):
be like, I ain't shop. He'd be like, well, I
just made five figures, but this is not Like then
I feel crazy. Like So with all that being said,
this is what he does. So him being like the
foundation of being hell rail motivation, that's what That's what
makes us to kind of like you guys are like
you guys are all kind of in the same position
of the crew as far as you know, it's like
(13:33):
a brotherhood almost like y'all kind of grew up together
in the rap get pretty much, you know what I mean.
No matter what, there's gonna be some association. That's crazy.
So so I mean we knew we all knew each other. Yeah, yeah,
I knew him before I met Cam. Mmm. I met
(13:55):
you y'all at the radio station, to be honest, and
it was and how Nat seve me at a studio
that No, that was the first day, that was seven
and then we then we went to the studios. I
met you at hit factory. When got you? So you
know what I think, you know what I think? Different?
(14:15):
And this is what we go through stuff like this,
right because Cam is the type he the he would
hype it up. He would say, y'all, J y'all's at
the radio. You know you heard how he do you
better better deliver? At this time, Hell, I think was
locked up. So I'm like, you know, he here put
the pressure on. So I felt like I heard about
(14:37):
j y'all. I felt like that time and I knew
I knew how he does, like you know, y'all gonna
hear the freestyle that we did and yah, it's crazy,
like you know what I'm saying, J J y'all. So
they talk about pressure hot ninety seven and whatever the
case may be. I feel like I had to put
on try to do legendary, legendary. Y'all can google that,
of course. So so at the end of the day,
(14:58):
I think that's the day. But he said it's a
he like hit factory. I think it was before the
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(16:04):
right And I think that what was dope about the
Versus battle was it it exposed why we all love
this ship to a whole new generation because right now,
I mean, obviously Kendrick is crazy, Cole's crazy. Drake is
a name, keep you versus. Even though I wasn't on stage.
I mean a lot of kids that was probably five
(16:26):
or six seven years old when my first album came
out went back and listened to my Yeah that's what
I'm saying like and said, Yo, hell bro, you're fucking dope.
I'm like, wow, this ship, which is that essence? I
feel like, remember it was dope that that people went
back and appreciate the work that I put in. But
I just think, like, you know, you know, shout out
(16:47):
to the Griselda crew, shout out Freddy Gibbs, shout out
like thirty eight special. There's obviously amazing mcs that are
doing ship the way we love it, and no disrespect.
We shout out to them, but we set that said.
I watched the stream ten times because the versus ten times,
and that every time it made me right harder to say,
(17:07):
you know what, maybe I do need to switch up
performing when I do perform, you know what I mean?
Like he really like yes, you mean kiss yeah, because
it's like he's showing like, yeah, his levels, but he's
showing like he's like got everything to the cross the
seas to the like on two K and he's got
(17:27):
all the ninety nine niggas put the slaughters up type
of ship. Man. I think that live show is like
you said, like plus, it's not even that he's prepared
and he's versus, but he's like he's one of the creators. Brohm,
He's one of them guys. And I think to like,
(17:48):
it just showed everybody. Man, it's an importance of doing
ship because you know, this whole era of music, everyone
wraps over their track. They just wrap over there. Somebody does,
and I think they're like, it's been like that. It
has been certain aspects, but it also hasn't been but
you got people met the no. But it's certain performances
(18:09):
you don't do that on right, and that's the verses,
and that's the verses in the garden in the garden, Yeah,
and he's calling it out like he's he kind of
it's kind of like he knew they was going to
track and said, I'm gonna expose this. But what it
does I can't say that. I mean that at one
(18:30):
point that's what I thought too. That's not what everybody does. Everybody.
That's not for everybody. I don't New York under the
Bus don't do that. It's not just it's not summer
jams are all artists from everywhere to be fair, you
know what I mean. So I feel like I feel
like they thought like if it's a big venue, right
like for all this protocol and I want people to
(18:51):
understand this right that they feel like, you know, we're
just going to track it. You know what I'm saying,
it's the big venue. I want people to hear it
the lyrics. I want everybody to hear the song. But
I think the Locks strategically made it like they know
that protocol be like the two track, so we're gonna
do it like this so people could hear us and
we and it's better for audibles it was calling they
(19:13):
I feel like Watables really made it like that was
one of the angles. Definitely things that I think it
was like prepar like preparation, right. I think like at
the end of the day, we know Locks, Jada, Chik Styles,
they're all together always anyway. They ain't like they're like
just kicking it when they gotta do. They're family, you
know what I mean. All three of them was on
(19:34):
like Sheik was on his ship. Yeah, well the chic
what what are you? And then they play Reservoir Dog like, yeah,
that's they knew that. Every time they said was like
as soon as they say, we ain't got girl records
and she still styles still going crazy for sure. Man
went back to my brother, Jail said. He said, listen,
(19:56):
he said, you wish they would have played certain records,
just like I wish the Audible would have been called
when like when they played the their verse from Big
Pun you know the back you know niggas in the world,
you know during and been from TV being from TV Joint,
And we wish that Kim verse would have came like,
oh that's what y'all want to do? Let me do.
(20:18):
Let me because I feel his bird I think it
was they didn't know each other's list, so I was
surprised that that's That's what I'm saying the audible like,
if he had, he would have to text somebody. That
would have been a moment if you'd have been like,
you know, guys, I got a verse on that song too,
that would have been like yeah, but they already I
think they had that, Like you said, strategically, they had
(20:39):
that plan, like they're gonna play this. If they play this,
that's when you play this. If they play this, because
they're gonna play this, you play this. You know what
I'm saying. So that's just like, you know, that might
have edged it. But Dip Set had a great set.
It's just that people do, ain't you know. It just
wasn't the locks to set exactly it went not No,
I ain't gonna say it like it went. It went.
(21:01):
It went under death is because strategically they already had it.
You know what I'm saying. If you play a song
as great as old Boy, you know what I'm saying.
You know how great old Boy is, it probably won't
go after song. I don't know what they play after that,
But like if they play a hard record after that,
it might go with the hard record old boy, It's
not a hard record for the streets. It's a it's
(21:21):
a it's a it's a song that's billboard flow, you
know what I'm saying type of shit. Jerr, what what
is it about? Like you know, just your driving like
like like obviously you've been the most consistent through the crew,
just staying with the with the ship, being independent, building
your building your empire. You know you involved in the
CBD game doing a lot of shit we did. But uh,
what what is it about like the last decade or
(21:44):
so of life that you like just doubled down on
yourself and having really you know something at the end
of the day, Man, this rap ship that it's always
got to pay the bills. It's always got to make sense.
It's gotta you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure
it's easy to get discouraged, like why why did that? No?
I never get discouraged. Even when I was locked up.
I always was like, I love rap. I do this
ship every day, So you know what I mean? This
(22:06):
is you know, this is what I do. Plus I'm
from Harlem, so I'm a natural born hustler. So whatever
I could get whatever rap allows me to get next
to and flourish that way, then that's what I do.
Like far as CBD or whatever it is, there it is, man,
And how many songs do you guys have all together
(22:26):
right now? Like, oh, we gotta gotta we got a lot,
you got a whole album, like we just did like
what full full records since we've been here, we only
been I love la we're doing. We did. We did
some records that I can't wait for people to hear it.
I'm they're guaranteed to say, Yo, this is what we missed.
I'm telling you, Like if you're fans of like the
Spinners and you know, not just gonna say just dip fans,
(22:49):
just fans Spitners. I think that's why everyone loved you
three because at the end of the day, like I
don't think like initially, like when Dipset really hit that
mixtape run and I'm not saying like cams and lyrical
monster right, but I think that like it wasn't as
much about the lyrics or the bars. It was more
about the mut the production, the swag, the records. And
(23:10):
I think when they when they brought you guys in
it was like, oh, they just they just brought through
three killers, like three murderers, Like you know what I'm saying,
pick up any slack And people were like, Yo, dip
says cool, but where the bars at? You know what
I'm saying, Like, you guys delivered that ship shut out
mystic Zach my boy Zach. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No,
I mean I'm excited to hear. What the what are
(23:33):
you guys calling yourself? I just made that up? Now
it's just or is it? Just like the group project
is just gonna be all three of you guys are
primary artist. Ak is fortune five hundred Okay, I like
that making some fortune five hundred moves. No, I wasn't
(23:55):
wrapping up, but yeah, we all got a name. Yeah.
I don't think we need we put out the We
put out the upstage that way. We just put it
under all of our playlists basically like our oh profile
right as we was all made artists. It's a great
(24:15):
name for a project to drop the same day as
the Dipseet project upstage, Let him drop, let him drop?
What's this one gonna be called? Oh? Downstage? Off stage?
He asked me that too. I'm like, what you the
(24:36):
off stage. You know what, listen, we just we just
playing around. We don't we don't have it. We don't
have a name. We got this record called History. That's
crazy though, that's coming. We're going to drive. We were
trying to finish the video called History and huh history
is that kind of giving rundown? What's been going on? Yeah? Yeah,
(24:56):
I mean not like that. Can I break it down? Yeah?
Go ahead, break it well. The song is called history,
and and I kind of said, we made history. One
thing about history. You can't write a real nigga out
of history, Okay, undertand what I'm saying, I understand what
you're saying. So that right there, it just speaks for itself.
(25:21):
There it is. Yeah, but it's fire. You know. You
know what we do. You know, we do what we do.
You guys also working on solo ship Yeah yeah, I
got I really rapped, said trangle too. I got Really
Raped three coming out. I got my solo album coming,
I got Wild Records already, might do an album together,
you know what I'm saying. So I got I got
(25:42):
like they keep trying to throw me bags to do
another rap battle because apparently they like how how coming
that that whole field, because ain't nobody that really like
like at a level of how we rap a step
into the battle rap arena. It's a whole different. It's
like very few people like Cassidy did it obviously, but
there's only been a few. Yeah, I mean I'm talking
(26:04):
about successfully like do it and oh yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, I'm not saying he wasn't successful enough.
And I'm just saying, like I know what I do,
and people that follow forty cow know, like it's like
it's it's different. It's different lanes. Like you could check
for me for what I do with the with the lyrics,
live rap, check the battle rap and be like yo, damn,
(26:26):
Like look under my YouTube and see like everybody I battle,
so you know, not a battle I feel like battle
rapping is like his own thing. It ain't the same,
Like this is their NBA. Battle rapping would be like
Dunkin Contest or the Three Contests or something like that.
Dunk Contest. They could do that. They you know, some
niggas sticks to just playing ball. You feel me like,
like how we do the It's it's not the NBA.
(26:51):
In the dunking contest. But somebody like Desmond Mason will
win a dunk contest. You're like, what the fuck is
Oh no, he's a great dunker. Oh not about look
at it like that. I will. I will call it
like it's and one rocket, Paul. That's fair, that's like that. Yeah?
What what? What when you prepare for a battle, is
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it like because obviously you got to kind of do
research on who you're battling, right, get some like personal
ship on them, Like how like how hard is it
to do that as opposed to I don't know saying
I'm gonna go work on a song. I'm glad you
asked that, right, shout out to my my boy. I
will right. It was when I battle Homie, his his
(27:34):
so called I guess his baby moms hit me always
the baby moms. And I'm not sure how ill that
was gonna take the information. That was like an angle,
you know what I'm saying, And that's how battle rappers do.
After being in the game, I learned that, like you know,
that's that's like kind of whack, you know, And I
learned how much a gentleman he is and how we
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how after the battle, it just was like, we just
battled and we're still cool, and I seen he just
been on a killing spree since then. I'm like, yo,
so I respect it more so when it comes to battling,
it's definitely about angles and who you and what you do.
But it's it's like, alright, let's compare it more to boxing.
It's more jabs, it's more on how you upper cut
(28:17):
kunky box numbers. It's all more of that than when
it comes to battle. The battleshit gets disrespectful, like damn,
how the hell, especially when they go touching motherfucker's hats
and ship. I'm like, bro, don't touch me. Bro. It's
not for everybody, but yeah, no, it could get crazy. Well,
look do you guys when you guys dropping the first
(28:37):
project record from this project, probably like sometime next week
or two weeks from now, you gotta finish the video. Yeah,
we just be shooting a video probably this weekend in Miami.
So there it is. Be on the lookout. Everyone's got
music coming, maybe a battle coming from forty cow two.
(28:58):
I really wrapped three. Yeah, and then the group project
up stage two. Up stage two, shout out w l
g B shout out to my people, real recognized, real
for the shirt. There it is God, Yo. Make sure
everyone sees this guy's deal shirt. He's got on for money.
Christ Yo, this ship costs three thousand dollars B too
(29:20):
many fucking shirt busy, hey y always busy, Hey yos
three thousand. If I take it back, don't get mad,
and yeah, return that ship. Give a fuck, nigga. There
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Yes, what a look fucking day. Man did a long
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Leg cav Podcast. So we had some New York OG's
pull up JR. Ryder, forty cow hell Rel all former affiliates,
(00:25):
really former members of Dipset. We're not going to do
the affiliates thing. They were in Dipset. Let's be clear.
They came up here, caught a body on the freestyle.
I mean, they fucking caught a fucking body on the freestyle,
and we did a little interview, you know what I mean.
And I really really wanted to just talk to them
and understand what they thought about the Versus Battle because
(00:46):
they weren't on stage. They didn't get the invite, and
I thought that was some fuck shit. With that being said,
I love Dipset, I love Cameron, I love Juel's, love Jimmy.
I just it would have been nice to see those
guys on stage, you know. So I wanted to get
their take on the entire versus Battle. I just talk
about what they got going on, you know. So, uh,
we're gonna talk to dipse at Alum hell Rel forty
(01:11):
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hellrail In forty, cab Out Yo Man, bootlet Cap Podcasts
Special guests guests rather hell Real, Jr. Rider, Ye forty
Cow Yes Er Yo Man, Welcome to the show, fellas well,
Welcome back Jr. You know Jr. Two time guests hell
(02:16):
Real forty cow welcome. Uh how First of all, how's
everybody doing? Yeahtpet oh yeah, because you was on in
a mean head. Yeah so you did the radio station
and you came on the yeah body that which yes
you did, Yes you did? Man. Well, how's everybody doing? First? Last, great, last, beautiful?
(02:37):
Everybody's good? What was it twenty eighteen? You guys dropped
the project together? Or was it twenty nineteen? So that
was twenty eighteen? What is it like? You guys are
all in l a here together for a reason. What
is going on? Is there gonna be some new music? Yeah,
we're cooking up. We're working a whole lot of stuff
going on, a whole lot of stuff. I had a
new new record call History That's crazy produced by uh okay.
(03:04):
But yeah, and we're shooting a video in Miami coming soon,
so we're working there. It is Hey, so I got it.
Before we get we just gotta what's everyone's thoughts on
what happened versus? It was a dope show. It was amazing.
It was it was you were in the building, right,
was everyone there? Yeah? We actually uh we actually was
(03:25):
there early. We had walked out shouts to Michael Hunter
walked out the main event that night at the boxing match,
which was before the verses, right right, right, right, So yeah,
we was there. So was there any like a lot
of inside with my ring h Obviously a lot of
dipset fans were disappointed and not see you guys maybe
(03:46):
making appearance. Yeah, I was disappointed. I wanted to be
on the stage. Yeah, I mean there was a lot
of people on stage. You would think like, you know
what what what were you like, was there any discussion
of that or was that ever something that was discussed
or I was supposed to make it happen as far
as like we were supposed to all, yeah, be there,
you know from my understanding, you know what I mean,
what do you think happened? I don't know. You never know.
(04:09):
It's like when it kind of especially when it kind
of business like when money gets involved in certain things.
Not that I'm saying that that's that was the cause,
but you know, I never got to reach back a callback.
So I went ahead and you know, did what we did?
You know what I mean, I had an opportunity to
walk out at the fight with Trela And was there
(04:31):
any what about you l liked? Was there any conversation
with anybody you know about because I remember watching the
battle and you popping up on the on the screen
is not on stand I was. I was like you said,
we was ringside. So we we just came to uh
walk the fight out. Mh. We was about to leave.
(04:54):
You want to stay for the verses. What's interesting about
all three of you guys is like I feel like
out of all the major like app cruise and hip hop,
like when we think of like Wu Tang clan, like really,
the only outsider of the original nine that was ever
considered a real Wu Tang member was Capa Dona right.
Everybody else is you guys were all dip Set. We
know that. You know what I'm saying. We know that,
(05:15):
and so that's why it just to me because they
started out as Jim Freaky Zeky Juwel's and Cam as
the Diplomats. When we came along, it was so when
people screamed Dipset, that's us too, you know how, because
(05:35):
because the last album you guys dropped, you dropped it
the same day as the Dipset Project, which was which
was nice and uh petty, you know what I'm saying.
Strategic opportunistic and strategic. You know, it's just it was
smart because you know, everybody all and some might argue,
(05:56):
you guys album was better. Oh that's what know what
I'm saying, But that's problems. But it was a great
day for DIPS fans. Yeah, because because we got both
of those projects, the fans got a chance to hear
from everybody. Yeah, but I think that like there's like
a feeling that like there's like a disconnect between you
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guys and the main guys of the crew. Is that
is that something that's factional as far as like as
far as what I mean, like like are like how's
your relation how how are your guys' relationships with Jim
with Joelle's Okay, I'm cool with everybody. I speak to Gym,
you know, we DM each other here and there, you
know what I mean. I spoke to him. As far
as the versus, you know, I don't really want to
(06:38):
go into detail because it's like irrelevant, you know, I
mean at this point, but I'm glad with nobody cool.
I got love for everybody, Like there's no there's no
love loss or nothing like. Yeah, people think that because
we don't do business no more. That you know, it's
some problems, bad blood, but it's not like everybody professional
(07:00):
like I've reached out to be on to make it
happen so we can all be on the stage. Because
I felt like it was it would be a dope
thing to see, you know what I mean, It would
have been dope. What do you guys think was the
strategic error in the Versus performance? I mean on dip
(07:21):
Sen's behalf, because obviously the Locks one, just as from
a hip hop fan perspective, chemistry, chemistry, I would say,
like preparation and you know, the right records and you know,
just really studying your opponent because they didn't really I
don't think they took it. You know, they getting paid
for it like they can. I'm pretty sure they get
(07:42):
a nice bag for it, you get what I'm saying.
So yeah, I think the money kind of created a
cushion and it's like some people are coming into its
versus So versus was always a thing where you're celebrated,
you know what I mean. And it's not more like
a battle. This is more like it's to guard it
at the at the garden at the gardens Locks, You
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get what I'm saying, and you know, yeah, I think
preparation is because I feel like if Cam would have
had some picked some different records as far as like
even freestyles, what Yeah, I don't feel like he did
in his bag like he could have. I could have
catalog Stupid, the mixtape, the mixtapes. I could have jumped
(08:24):
up there and told them like like, yo, do this
this this? What? What do you? What do you? What
would you have? Like? What do you think he didn't
perform that? You would have had them performed shake, not
even just records the freestyle s like Cam, like like
even his verse on being from TV. Yeah, that's what's
(08:44):
crazy is they did that and I was like band
from TV Paul two verse and got everybody out of there.
He could have did that me like and Kiss said
in an interview like certain certain records he play. So
I don't really feel like, you know, I don't know bad.
So to answer your question, keV, I feel like like
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best Out would have been like a dope song. And
the irony is we you know, we walked the fighter
out to that record before he and he won, you
know what I'm saying. So, and the irony of that
also being best out is the same record from the
fight night game. People used to play it back in
the day, So you know, I guess that's starting to
be like the symbolic record of Fighters now, you know
(09:27):
what I'm saying, Like, you know, come out the best style.
You're gonna get some good ones. There is some irony
that no matter what you guys did, end up performing
in the building the same night run right. That ship
is kind of wild to think about that there was
a fight prior you guys it's god and was I
mean I went backstage and all that. I went to
the dip set like a dresser room man. He went backstage.
(09:48):
Everybody that's behind the scenes, we you know, we you know,
Dipset and everybody. But we we we began as a family,
so we know everybody from you know, the guys from
the drive the truck to to the guys that hold
people down. So they all feel me. So, so what's
everyone doing, obviously, besides coming together and working together, what's individually?
(10:08):
What's everyone working? Obviously? You just put a project out?
Was it last year? Right? Yeah? Probably like eight months ago. Yeah,
what's everyone working on? I'm fresh off a Golden Triangle.
I just put that out June tenth. So you got
new music out. Just put out an EP. June tenth
is doing pretty good. Just put out another record call
or really shit I ever wrote off of Golden Triangles
(10:30):
Part two that's about to drop any day now, Okay,
so what about you forty To be honest, I had
stopped for a minute because I was going through something personal.
But the last time I was active, I was doing
battle rap. I was getting paid a bag for that.
Shout out the RBE and smack as well, and I
(10:54):
started my own like little battle thing. It's a seed
that's growing called wr GB. Shout out to them, and
it's a place where local talent can come through zoom
and battle for money for people to battle. So that's
just like on zoom. Yeah, on zoom you can if
anybody interested on my instagrams, it's forty cal you can
(11:17):
DM me whatever and you nice. We we it's like
medical premeditated battles, like you'll know who you're battling and
you know we pay money for that. But that's just
like something a little I do w l g B.
So right now you feel like you're back, like your
head's back in the game. As far as you know,
just just getting back on your wrap ship, you know.
To be honest, I think Jall and hell route for
(11:38):
that because I ain't. I ain't want to rap. I'm I'm,
I'm I'm literally I'll be in the streets sometimes to
be honest, Sorry about that. I be like, I really like,
I don't I just be trying to make money doing whatever.
And it took, uh, it took like long talk with
JA being in the studio with Hell Energy, be like, Yo,
(12:01):
you know what, this is what I love, This is
what I grew, this is what I did for the
past fifteen seventeen years, what I'm saying. So when you
bring it back to that, you know, I feel like
that that's the motivation. I mean, that's why you do
it right. And originally y'all love the ship. What I'm saying.
We both shared the same kind of like story because
we both had tragic convincing our life. I lost my mother,
my father, and my grandmother all the thing same year.
(12:26):
That's a rough year, man, And I still got all
my marbles. Yeah, I ain't. You know what's the famous
saying that he ain't been the same since his mother died. Well,
try mother, father and grandmother? Did that take you a
while to get over that as well? And I just
snapped out of depression after four years because of Jay.
Al right, wow yo ya mak'm God. He's supposed to
(12:49):
God may help me snap out of depression. He said,
let's get some more millions together. I said, you're right, yo,
because I mean he's down playing, but he of U
stopped doing music, Like this is what he's done. Tell
me about like I'd be like, he'd be like, yo,
getting your ass cap or you're being my from the
this and that and you know the labels. Oh, I'd
(13:10):
be like, I ain't shop. He'd be like, well, I
just made five figures, but this is not Like then
I feel crazy. Like So with all that being said,
this is what he does. So him being like the
foundation of being hell rail motivation, that's what That's what
makes us to kind of like you guys are like
you guys are all kind of in the same position
of the crew as far as you know, it's like
(13:33):
a brotherhood almost like y'all kind of grew up together
in the rap get pretty much, you know what I mean.
No matter what, there's gonna be some association. That's crazy.
So so I mean we knew we all knew each other. Yeah, yeah,
I knew him before I met Cam. Mmm. I met
(13:55):
you y'all at the radio station, to be honest, and
it was and how Nat seve me at a studio
that No, that was the first day, that was seven
and then we then we went to the studios. I
met you at hit factory. When got you? So you
know what I think, you know what I think? Different?
(14:15):
And this is what we go through stuff like this,
right because Cam is the type he the he would
hype it up. He would say, y'all, J y'all's at
the radio. You know you heard how he do you
better better deliver? At this time, Hell, I think was
locked up. So I'm like, you know, he here put
the pressure on. So I felt like I heard about
(14:37):
j y'all. I felt like that time and I knew
I knew how he does, like you know, y'all gonna
hear the freestyle that we did and yah, it's crazy,
like you know what I'm saying, J J y'all. So
they talk about pressure hot ninety seven and whatever the
case may be. I feel like I had to put
on try to do legendary, legendary. Y'all can google that,
of course. So so at the end of the day,
(14:58):
I think that's the day. But he said it's a
he like hit factory. I think it was before the
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right And I think that what was dope about the
Versus battle was it it exposed why we all love
this ship to a whole new generation because right now,
I mean, obviously Kendrick is crazy, Cole's crazy. Drake is
a name, keep you versus. Even though I wasn't on stage.
I mean a lot of kids that was probably five
(16:26):
or six seven years old when my first album came
out went back and listened to my Yeah that's what
I'm saying like and said, Yo, hell bro, you're fucking dope.
I'm like, wow, this ship, which is that essence? I
feel like, remember it was dope that that people went
back and appreciate the work that I put in. But
I just think, like, you know, you know, shout out
(16:47):
to the Griselda crew, shout out Freddy Gibbs, shout out
like thirty eight special. There's obviously amazing mcs that are
doing ship the way we love it, and no disrespect.
We shout out to them, but we set that said.
I watched the stream ten times because the versus ten times,
and that every time it made me right harder to say,
(17:07):
you know what, maybe I do need to switch up
performing when I do perform, you know what I mean?
Like he really like yes, you mean kiss yeah, because
it's like he's showing like, yeah, his levels, but he's
showing like he's like got everything to the cross the
seas to the like on two K and he's got
(17:27):
all the ninety nine niggas put the slaughters up type
of ship. Man. I think that live show is like
you said, like plus, it's not even that he's prepared
and he's versus, but he's like he's one of the creators. Brohm,
He's one of them guys. And I think to like,
(17:48):
it just showed everybody. Man, it's an importance of doing
ship because you know, this whole era of music, everyone
wraps over their track. They just wrap over there. Somebody does,
and I think they're like, it's been like that. It
has been certain aspects, but it also hasn't been but
you got people met the no. But it's certain performances
(18:09):
you don't do that on right, and that's the verses,
and that's the verses in the garden in the garden, Yeah,
and he's calling it out like he's he kind of
it's kind of like he knew they was going to
track and said, I'm gonna expose this. But what it
does I can't say that. I mean that at one
(18:30):
point that's what I thought too. That's not what everybody does. Everybody.
That's not for everybody. I don't New York under the
Bus don't do that. It's not just it's not summer
jams are all artists from everywhere to be fair, you
know what I mean. So I feel like I feel
like they thought like if it's a big venue, right
like for all this protocol and I want people to
(18:51):
understand this right that they feel like, you know, we're
just going to track it. You know what I'm saying,
it's the big venue. I want people to hear it
the lyrics. I want everybody to hear the song. But
I think the Locks strategically made it like they know
that protocol be like the two track, so we're gonna
do it like this so people could hear us and
we and it's better for audibles it was calling they
(19:13):
I feel like Watables really made it like that was
one of the angles. Definitely things that I think it
was like prepar like preparation, right. I think like at
the end of the day, we know Locks, Jada, Chik Styles,
they're all together always anyway. They ain't like they're like
just kicking it when they gotta do. They're family, you
know what I mean. All three of them was on
(19:34):
like Sheik was on his ship. Yeah, well the chic
what what are you? And then they play Reservoir Dog like, yeah,
that's they knew that. Every time they said was like
as soon as they say, we ain't got girl records
and she still styles still going crazy for sure. Man
went back to my brother, Jail said. He said, listen,
(19:56):
he said, you wish they would have played certain records,
just like I wish the Audible would have been called
when like when they played the their verse from Big
Pun you know the back you know niggas in the world,
you know during and been from TV being from TV Joint,
And we wish that Kim verse would have came like,
oh that's what y'all want to do? Let me do.
(20:18):
Let me because I feel his bird I think it
was they didn't know each other's list, so I was
surprised that that's That's what I'm saying the audible like,
if he had, he would have to text somebody. That
would have been a moment if you'd have been like,
you know, guys, I got a verse on that song too,
that would have been like yeah, but they already I
think they had that, Like you said, strategically, they had
(20:39):
that plan, like they're gonna play this. If they play this,
that's when you play this. If they play this, because
they're gonna play this, you play this. You know what
I'm saying. So that's just like, you know, that might
have edged it. But Dip Set had a great set.
It's just that people do, ain't you know. It just
wasn't the locks to set exactly it went not No,
I ain't gonna say it like it went. It went.
(21:01):
It went under death is because strategically they already had it.
You know what I'm saying. If you play a song
as great as old Boy, you know what I'm saying.
You know how great old Boy is, it probably won't
go after song. I don't know what they play after that,
But like if they play a hard record after that,
it might go with the hard record old boy, It's
not a hard record for the streets. It's a it's
(21:21):
a it's a it's a song that's billboard flow, you
know what I'm saying type of shit. Jerr, what what
is it about? Like you know, just your driving like
like like obviously you've been the most consistent through the crew,
just staying with the with the ship, being independent, building
your building your empire. You know you involved in the
CBD game doing a lot of shit we did. But uh,
what what is it about like the last decade or
(21:44):
so of life that you like just doubled down on
yourself and having really you know something at the end
of the day, Man, this rap ship that it's always
got to pay the bills. It's always got to make sense.
It's gotta you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure
it's easy to get discouraged, like why why did that? No?
I never get discouraged. Even when I was locked up.
I always was like, I love rap. I do this
ship every day, So you know what I mean? This
(22:06):
is you know, this is what I do. Plus I'm
from Harlem, so I'm a natural born hustler. So whatever
I could get whatever rap allows me to get next
to and flourish that way, then that's what I do.
Like far as CBD or whatever it is, there it is, man,
And how many songs do you guys have all together
(22:26):
right now? Like, oh, we gotta gotta we got a lot,
you got a whole album, like we just did like
what full full records since we've been here, we only
been I love la we're doing. We did. We did
some records that I can't wait for people to hear it.
I'm they're guaranteed to say, Yo, this is what we missed.
I'm telling you, Like if you're fans of like the
Spinners and you know, not just gonna say just dip fans,
(22:49):
just fans Spitners. I think that's why everyone loved you
three because at the end of the day, like I
don't think like initially, like when Dipset really hit that
mixtape run and I'm not saying like cams and lyrical
monster right, but I think that like it wasn't as
much about the lyrics or the bars. It was more
about the mut the production, the swag, the records. And
(23:10):
I think when they when they brought you guys in
it was like, oh, they just they just brought through
three killers, like three murderers, Like you know what I'm saying,
pick up any slack And people were like, Yo, dip
says cool, but where the bars at? You know what
I'm saying, Like, you guys delivered that ship shut out
mystic Zach my boy Zach. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No,
I mean I'm excited to hear. What the what are
(23:33):
you guys calling yourself? I just made that up? Now
it's just or is it? Just like the group project
is just gonna be all three of you guys are
primary artist. Ak is fortune five hundred Okay, I like
that making some fortune five hundred moves. No, I wasn't
(23:55):
wrapping up, but yeah, we all got a name. Yeah.
I don't think we need we put out the We
put out the upstage that way. We just put it
under all of our playlists basically like our oh profile
right as we was all made artists. It's a great
(24:15):
name for a project to drop the same day as
the Dipseet project upstage, Let him drop, let him drop?
What's this one gonna be called? Oh? Downstage? Off stage?
He asked me that too. I'm like, what you the
(24:36):
off stage. You know what, listen, we just we just
playing around. We don't we don't have it. We don't
have a name. We got this record called History. That's
crazy though, that's coming. We're going to drive. We were
trying to finish the video called History and huh history
is that kind of giving rundown? What's been going on? Yeah? Yeah,
(24:56):
I mean not like that. Can I break it down? Yeah?
Go ahead, break it well. The song is called history,
and and I kind of said, we made history. One
thing about history. You can't write a real nigga out
of history, Okay, undertand what I'm saying, I understand what
you're saying. So that right there, it just speaks for itself.
(25:21):
There it is. Yeah, but it's fire. You know. You
know what we do. You know, we do what we do.
You guys also working on solo ship Yeah yeah, I
got I really rapped, said trangle too. I got Really
Raped three coming out. I got my solo album coming,
I got Wild Records already, might do an album together,
you know what I'm saying. So I got I got
(25:42):
like they keep trying to throw me bags to do
another rap battle because apparently they like how how coming
that that whole field, because ain't nobody that really like
like at a level of how we rap a step
into the battle rap arena. It's a whole different. It's
like very few people like Cassidy did it obviously, but
there's only been a few. Yeah, I mean I'm talking
(26:04):
about successfully like do it and oh yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, I'm not saying he wasn't successful enough.
And I'm just saying, like I know what I do,
and people that follow forty cow know, like it's like
it's it's different. It's different lanes. Like you could check
for me for what I do with the with the lyrics,
live rap, check the battle rap and be like yo, damn,
(26:26):
Like look under my YouTube and see like everybody I battle,
so you know, not a battle I feel like battle
rapping is like his own thing. It ain't the same,
Like this is their NBA. Battle rapping would be like
Dunkin Contest or the Three Contests or something like that.
Dunk Contest. They could do that. They you know, some
niggas sticks to just playing ball. You feel me like,
like how we do the It's it's not the NBA.
(26:51):
In the dunking contest. But somebody like Desmond Mason will
win a dunk contest. You're like, what the fuck is
Oh no, he's a great dunker. Oh not about look
at it like that. I will. I will call it
like it's and one rocket, Paul. That's fair, that's like that. Yeah?
What what? What when you prepare for a battle, is
(27:12):
it like because obviously you got to kind of do
research on who you're battling, right, get some like personal
ship on them, Like how like how hard is it
to do that as opposed to I don't know saying
I'm gonna go work on a song. I'm glad you
asked that, right, shout out to my my boy. I
will right. It was when I battle Homie, his his
(27:34):
so called I guess his baby moms hit me always
the baby moms. And I'm not sure how ill that
was gonna take the information. That was like an angle,
you know what I'm saying, And that's how battle rappers do.
After being in the game, I learned that, like you know,
that's that's like kind of whack, you know, And I
learned how much a gentleman he is and how we
(27:56):
how after the battle, it just was like, we just
battled and we're still cool, and I seen he just
been on a killing spree since then. I'm like, yo,
so I respect it more so when it comes to battling,
it's definitely about angles and who you and what you do.
But it's it's like, alright, let's compare it more to boxing.
It's more jabs, it's more on how you upper cut
(28:17):
kunky box numbers. It's all more of that than when
it comes to battle. The battleshit gets disrespectful, like damn,
how the hell, especially when they go touching motherfucker's hats
and ship. I'm like, bro, don't touch me. Bro. It's
not for everybody, but yeah, no, it could get crazy. Well,
look do you guys when you guys dropping the first
(28:37):
project record from this project, probably like sometime next week
or two weeks from now, you gotta finish the video. Yeah,
we just be shooting a video probably this weekend in Miami.
So there it is. Be on the lookout. Everyone's got
music coming, maybe a battle coming from forty cow two.
(28:58):
I really wrapped three. Yeah, and then the group project
up stage two. Up stage two, shout out w l
g B shout out to my people, real recognized, real
for the shirt. There it is God, Yo. Make sure
everyone sees this guy's deal shirt. He's got on for money.
Christ Yo, this ship costs three thousand dollars B too
(29:20):
many fucking shirt busy, hey y always busy, Hey yos
three thousand. If I take it back, don't get mad,
and yeah, return that ship. Give a fuck, nigga. There
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