Damizza on Current State Of The World, AI Music, Trump, Epstein Files, Aliens, Radio & More

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Speaker 2 (00:59):
It's a year and it's been a probably about a
year year. Well, thank you, well, I appreciate you. I
just want to say thank you because you have been
not only a really cool supporter, but every time I
call you and ask you for advice, you give me.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Good onin How is everything, man? I know you just
had your Synergy conference for the second year in a row.
It was a lot of fun outdoors I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, I kind of messed up with that when I
fried everybody. Big Ones. Yeah, Big pulls me aside right
before it started and he's like a bro, like we're
doing this outside. But it was cool. I mean, we
had Harvey, we had Big Boy exhibit came out saw
and that was really cool to have. Like he wasn't
like advertised, no no, and you know, Bobby d God

(01:43):
bless him, just brought him out of the blue and
it was really really cool to have somebody that's not
only a legacy artist but has something current out you
know what I mean, to be able to talk to
artists about everything from AI and marketing and branding and
that you know, the deal with him and Connor and
just what he was talking about, you know, about how
it's a different kind of branding and to get his

(02:04):
message out there. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Weren't you doing something with Connor thing?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah? But anyways, no you went to Ireland? No, no, no,
you didn't know I'm going to London though. No. Uh yeah,
I was involved in the early rollout of Greenback, but
I only consulted him for a little while, and then
when the Bone project was going to get delayed, we
just said, let's chill for a while and then when
you guys revisit the Bone thing, then I'll hop back

(02:32):
in you.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Uh, I feel like you're so knowledgeable in so many
things on when it comes to just the news that
you're delivering. What about the world right now has you
the most worried? And what about the world right now
has you the most optimistic?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
What has me most optimistic? First is the people. You know,
the people are starting to wake up, you know, to
see the young people getting involved and not just towing
the party line. That's nice, That's that's what's scary. And
the scary thing to me is loyalty to party and
no facts to base.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
It, you know, blind loyalty to anything is scary.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, you know, I've never seen an administration pushed this
hard to reverse, like the Civil War, right, you know,
I mean all of the race stuff and all of that.
I mean, as hard as and to talk about the
music side of it, as hard as we worked in
hip hop and the culture for acceptance on mass appeal,

(03:32):
you know, I mean just seeing that, you know, and
with sitting talking to my grandma about women's rights and
all of that kind of stuff. You know, when we
very first got to Louisiana, we pulled into the driveway
and she said, let me out, and it was a
dirt road and I was like the dirt road. She
was like no, no. Bams drove the car up and
she sat there in a wheelchair and she goes, sweetheart,

(03:52):
who would have thought little baby ree would own all
this land? When I left here? Women couldn't own land.
We were property and not really like, oh that's what
you work so hard for, you know what I mean.
So I can only imagine what she would think right now, right,
you know, with the reversing of the civil rights and
just all of it. I mean, it's just it's scary, man.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I think it's like there's a there's like like thirty things,
but to me, like the awakening of I would say,
like the foreign control of our government from Israel is
like finally, like people are starting to like this. Jennifer
Welch chick, did you do you know who that is?
She's the blonde podcaster chick who interviewed a Corey Booker

(04:40):
and she was and she she took him to town.
But she literally was like, if you take a wake
up Democratic Party, if you are mad, because Zoron and
AOC and Bernie have all this energy, maybe you're the problem.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Like wake up.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
If you're taking a PAC money, you are She said,
you're Benjamin, then Yahoo's bitch and we're not voting for you.
And then I don't know if you saw there was
like a more of like a centrist Democrat guy. I
forget where he's from. I think he was a senator,
but he returned all his a PAC money. Yeah, but
I think there's that which obviously goes into the fact

(05:20):
that you know, there has been an ethnic cleansing and
genocide of an entire people and it's continuing to happen.
You know, this same country is with our assistants overthrown
the Syrian government and put a former isis operative as
the president.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, and you look at hamas like if you look
at Hamas and how it was funded, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Through proxies through Israel, through Egypt.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, well, and I mean look, okay, let's go back
to the Kennedy assassination, right, Okay, Since then, there's been
a very slow and deliberate takeover of American democracy.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
And between rip like ivy drip.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, and now we're at what eighty percent of the
Senate and eighty percent of the or eighty percent of
the Senate and the Congress supports Israel almost if.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Not more, right than the unit of the United States.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And I mean a lot of people even on the
cabinet with dual citizenships.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And that's the ship that's wild to me is like, yeah,
you got like a guy like you know, Joshapiro who
wanted obviously he's got presidential aspirations. And I'm like, buddy,
you you fucking served in the IDF. That's a foreign military.
It's kind of interesting, like it's a conversation to have.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's a lot of conflicts of interests. Yes, let's just
say there's that.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And obviously to me, like the biggest you know, just
humanitary thing that we've ever seen as long as amalive leads.
I obviously wasn't around World War two with what's happening
in the Gaza. The ceasefire obviously was not a real ceasefire.
They killed one hundred people in Gazia.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
That was a play to gainst your hostages back.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then there's so there's that thing. Then there's the
Ice thing. Ice is the most you know, this big
beautiful bill which was horseshit.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Uh well, I mean and snap benefits. I don't know
when this aired.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I say, then there's that that benefits are about to
come up. But it's like, you know, there's like this
hyper military militarization of our country, of the surveillance state,
you know, get into Palatineer and get into Peter Teel.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
And you know we're sending Red National Guard Guard troops.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, people, Red states. Yeah, it is interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's a setup for a civil war. Yes, And you know,
I heard someone say I forgot where it was, but
I saw them talking about white being the minority and
how that scared so many people. And when Obama became private.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's that's that what's that great replacement theory bullshit?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
But anyways, but it's interesting though because then you have
like and like you said, there's like there's people on
both sides who have had to have been shaken up
a little. And I think there was a lot of
people on the left who sat the election out, voted
Green or protest voted because they were tired of the

(08:07):
same old shit.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know, I switched my party. I was a Democrat
for years, years and years, my whole entire life, and
I went in, I'm independent, I'm good from both of you.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And then you'll see people like you're like, wait a minute,
Marjorie Taylor Green and I agree on a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
All of a sudden, well, and like what the fuck?
The thing that got me was you ran on a
platform of Epstein and deep state, and yet the deep
state is all standing right behind you when you just
worn it.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
And it's like kind of like a new it's like
almost like a well, yeah, obviously, when you got Marco
Rubio and you got Steven Miller, and you got guys
like that, and uh, what's the fucking dude with the
slick back hair that's balding that's always standing behind him
like this fuck?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Let's ring? Is it?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Lutnick?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But then the new deep state low key is like
these tech dudes like Peter TiAl is.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Like, but they're the same. It's but it's all from
the same the right, do you know what I'm saying, Like,
And a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Of those guys who donated to this new ballroom bunker
bullshit for.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
The same guys who were donating to Joe Biden. And
but that's what I'm saying is people are starting to
wake up to the fact that it's the same bird,
same shit, different wing.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, I just I think that when you know, and
I obviously don't agree with Tucker Carlson er Candice owns
on everything, but I.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
At least Sander's some fire right now she's cooking.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
But I can at least respect the fact that they
have a they have beliefs and morals that they don't
budge on.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, you're not going to get that in media today.
I mean, if you really look at it, I suppose
that's you know, somebody who's not with us anymore.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Kind of felt like, you know, he was very much
towing the line of whatever the administration would want.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
True, you know, and I'd be like, oh, this guy's
just a ship, like you know, like, well, you start
to realize how media has evolved into becoming the show,
you know what I mean, Like what eight people, ten people,
control ninety.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, Fox Murdock had Ruper Murdoch and.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now Google and TikTok and Scary Place Man.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
And then it's just it's like it's an interesting thing too,
because it's like it's very it.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
It feels like we're at the beginning of like whatever
happens when Terminator is coming, or like a demolition Man
type movie. It feels like this is the ground floor
of like our society turning into that really soon.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, you got to remember, corporations can only get so big,
do you know what I'm saying. We dumped seven trillion
dollars during COVID into this machine, right and somehow printed money. Yeah,
and somehow the next quarter they still went up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think I don't understand. It's like like, yeah, I
mean you know this, like during COVID, it was like
there was not a housing crash, there was a housing boom.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. Well, but the thing is is, corporations can only
get so big before there's only one other way to expand,
and now that they're almost to the size of government.
The only thing left to do is to take over government,
which they're doing. And that's what's happening. Yeah, all these
corporations like private funding of the military, wild like wild,

(11:31):
And did you see who that person was?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I did not. I didn't say I know it was
just look into it.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Who wasn't it's the I forgot his name and I
want to be correct, and but look at him and
the ties. It's the same kind of thing, Jesus. And
but what's nuts about that is it's a pr stunt
because you know, one hundred and two hundred billion dollars
or million dollars is going to pay maybe a tenth

(11:58):
of our military for a week.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, we're about to really see, uh, the because you know,
there's only so much of like artificial propping up of
like the stock market and you know all of these
things that you can do when people literally like are
going to be without paychecks.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well look at the Caymans right now. The Caymans were
imploding because they they thought only you know, all of
these junk buys, run the AMC game stop and all
that stuff. Well that stuff's coming home to roost, Like
all these reverse repos and the weird stuff they were
doing to hide the Yeah, yeah, we're manipulation.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
It's going to be a very interesting Well.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
The market was thirty six trillion or thirty eight and
that it's unsustainable. And it's so crazy to me because like.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
That was something that Trump ran on where I was like,
I mean, look, I think Elon's a fuck boy. But
you know, in theory, the idea of dose before or
the implementation of it, I'd like to point out because
they implemented it terribly and grossly, but the idea of

(13:09):
doge in theory should be a bipartisan thing.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So then you got this fucking psychopath who is you know,
probably a few Yeah, he's rain Man whatever, and he's
definitely a white fucking supremacist. But that being said, sure
go find government inefficiency, save money. I think a lot
of the NGO shit is like there, yeah, you can
look into that. But also you could just do one
big cut out of the Pentagon budget and do and

(13:37):
and and then all of the shit that happened with
Doge ends up just getting flushed down the toilet with
the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
So I'm like, wait a minute, what was the dose
thing for? Okay, so the rumor I got a lot
of little intelligence buddies. Yeah, you know what I mean,
And they're all saying that the whole thing about Doze
was a data thing. They wanted to get into every
computer and every nook and cranny of the government to
see what really they had and what caused the big

(14:07):
rift between Elon and the administration was I'm over here
launching off rockets and you guys got gravity manipulation and
stuff like that, and then all of the top secret stuff,
all of the data, all of that to funnel over
the pollunteers. It's great, I mean, but think about this,
You've had infinite funding for one hundred years. Think of

(14:31):
some of the stuff that we have that I mean,
the fossil fuel lobby, the you know, all of these
different the military industrial lobby that has kept a lot
of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean, I sort I always tell people, I'm like,
you guys don't understand like America we had we we
don't have exports. We have culture, music, movies, sports, and
military and weapons. Yeah yeah, and soybeans.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I guess we anymore more.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, No, It's it's interesting because with the dog thing,
I was like, yeah, this in theory would make sense,
and then they have the falling out, and I'm like,
do we all forget that, Like the richest man on
the planet told us that Donald Trump was in the
Epstein files, and we just forgot because it was just
like another wild Tuesday during this administration.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, and and you know, it's funny because a lot
of people are saying now, like why didn't Obama or
Biden release the Epstein files when they were an officer?
There was such a big deal, But it wasn't a
big deal until Elon tweeted about it in the second turn.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, I also think there is mutually assured compromising on
both sides of the aisle. Oh, if those if the
if those files get released, there's gonna be people on
the right, there's gonna be donors. On the left, there's
gonna be So it's a political tool now for the
left and they should lean into it.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
But why are Democrats voting for it? No? Why? That's why.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I That's why I'm like, Okay, this is good, But,
like like you said, it's almost like they cat so
far out of the bag. Interesting to think about this.
The day that the Epstein birthday book came out what
happened Charlie Kirk died?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh oh, and did you see this morning? What happened? No,
Prince Andrew got kicked out of the Royal family, like
like you have to go get it. So this is
what I'm thinking. I'm thinking those files or something is
going to drop soon because the Royal family is very proactive. Right,
So two days before that book dropped or whatever from

(16:36):
the Guffrey who unlived or didn't un alive, who said
she was Virginia. Yeah, yeah, two days before that, they
announced that they were going to strip him of the
royal titles. That was it. But today they announced they
killed her. By the way, that's come on Diana all
over again. But they said that that there that he's

(16:58):
got to like move out of the entire royal fan
like no premises, no nothing, we want nothing to do
with you. Now you've got you became a private citizen.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, I just you know, to me, it's crazy because
the Epstein shit is so spooky and we're so like
what about now is out? Like this administration is so
chaotic that there's just so much shit getting thrown at
the wall that like as crazy as the Epstein thing is,

(17:31):
everyone's looking over here. Yeah, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
You guys, like, let's like start looking.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
There was the author who I think interviewed Jeffrey Epstein Wolf.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
He might actually get it because now suing Milania.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's a move because then discovery comes because his whole
thing was that Milania and Trump's first date was on
Epstein's plane date. Whatever that is. Yeah, it's it's spooky
shit man.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well and you hit it on the head though, that
on the head, the levels or the pillars to the
Epstein thing. I mean, you have former heads of countries,
prime ministers, you have the British royal family.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Jis Lay Maxwell alone in her dad if you just
go jump into her who her dad was. And then
I mean there was the former prime minister of Israel
I think was on the plane like eighty three times.
There's pic I mean you've seen the pictures of him
with it with his face covered up going into Epstein's apartment.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Wait, and I saw the day one of the big
media people or something their kid is named Robert Maxwell something.
I saw that this morning and it was like, why
is this person.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Why is she just like add of nowhere moved to
a posh President in.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Texas and Kosh Forttel saying, oh, the Bureau of Prisons
did that independent. I mean the whole Congress thing, like
when Pam BONDI was up there with the personal attacks
and no facts.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I just don't understand and how you voted for them,
and you're not like, yo, I got ruised. Well you
look because because in theory you saw Cash Motel going
on podcasts, you know, the last three years, and he's, Yo,
we're we're gonna get the Epstein files out, like I
know where they are.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, what happened there? You cross eyed? Fuck? Well, look
at Donald Trump and how he talks, and then look
at the base. Yes, it's it matches. So as long
as you are for a white America, we'll let all
this other shits lie. I saw somebody literally be interviewed
yesterday where they said if Trump is in the Epstein

(19:37):
files and guilty of this, that still changed your mind?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Did you see there's a there was that UFC fighter
who said he would take a bullet for Donald Trump
came out yesterday and was like, yeah, I no longer
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I wanted to get your take, obviously. I think there's
a little bit of context of being lost in the

(21:34):
headline about because two things can be true at the
same time. Hip hop can be in a weird place
in terms of, you know, hit records being out. But
there's the headline that for the first time since ninety two,
I think there is not any wrap records in the
top forty of the billboard Hot one hundred MAQUI. To
be fair, they had that recurrent rule change with the

(21:56):
chart stuff, and so I agree a lot of stuff
came out that would probably still be in there, but
it is. I mean, it's it does strike an interesting
conversation like where the music industry is. And I don't
even think I think hip hop in general, I don't
think it's a fan. I think it's great right now.
But I'm talking about you know clips and Reddy Gibbs, oh,

(22:17):
you know, all the dope.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's why I said, I think that it's the calm
before the resurgence, right, do you know what I'm saying? Like,
and I think, look, I think there's no there's no
mechanism right now. The wet radio was was the mechanism
that delivered the music to the masses. The algorithm delivery
is it in a way.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
To where it's not exciting, and it's also like an
individualized delivery.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's like and it's fragmented. There's no cohesive thought. Do
you know what I'm saying, there's no taste makers. There's
I mean, even if you look at all the five elements,
but if you look at like the DJ, you know,
the DJs role in the system has been diminished so much,
I mean by the clubs and radio and mix shows

(23:07):
and all of that kind of stuff. So there's not really,
and podcasts don't break records, do you know what I'm saying.
So there's I think that within time here and I
hope sooner than later, there will become a hybrid of
the podcast the radio station, a way to deliver music better.
And I think that's the point that we're missing right now.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Do you think there is a world in which artists
because I think it has to take a Taylor Swift,
like a Drake or a Kendrick to truly a fuck
you to Spotify. Do you think there's a world in
which that current streaming system is broken and or can

(23:52):
become a bit more fair.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think there is. I think you're right. It's going
to take a coalition of our though yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Feel like I don't think yeah, I feel like somebody
of that level has to kick it off for other people.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, but Taylor is a product of the system, So
you're not that's not going to happen the Drakes and
the Kendricks and the if instead of going at each
other they would go at the system. I think that, Yeah.
I think that our best bet with a Spotify is
the Military Industrial Conflict Plex thing that they did the

(24:31):
paying themselves, the bonuses, and a few of the other
stories that have come out that's tarnished Spotify.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Also, like the fact a lot of these companies hold
steak of Spotify, which makes zero. It's a conflict of interest,
like a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh yeah, big time. But that's also why I've been
such a big supporter of like Coda, trying to find
another way to compensate artists, like, for instance, with the
subscriber thing that they do, if you have a subscriber,
you get a dollar a month off that subscriber, like,
which would make sense. I mean, imagine if YouTube did that.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean that's what like l Russell always says he
likes to he treats those platforms as like advertising to
his brand.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Dude, he spends a grip on advertising.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
But he was like, Yo, if you stream my ship,
like I get a check off it, that's fine, But
it's more like just like a gateway into my brand
and my ecosystem that hopefully you come and spend money in.
But of course there's not. Not everybody has the work
ethic Russell has or the fan base.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So it's like, well, but he's also hit a ceiling, right,
you know, what I mean, Russ has hit a ceiling.
A lot of them have it. I mean they're all
hitting ceilings, you know, unless you cross that gate into
the major worlds.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Almost like if you want a number one record, no
matter what, like it's damn near you, damn near gotta be.
What was that country broh? No, the little the ginger
fool who had the guitar and the fucking Oliver Uh?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, what was that song? Bro?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think I know he was a number So look
this dude just went he went viral on uh with
this random ass song?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Did it go number one?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Oliver Anton went number one? It's called Richmond, North of Richmond.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
This this fucking state independent all way. Yeah, this Joe
Kids number one and no label at all. No, he
refused to sign Wow, so we finally got one.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
He Actually the crazy shit is he could have toured everywhere.
I think it was either Age or Live Nation. We're
trying to give him a bag and he was like, nah,
I'm good. I just do the shit I want to do.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
When I want to do it. I'm like, damn, that
makes me want to dig deeper though, right, because there's.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Now he had this record and like he has other
big records, like he's got three million monthly listeners. But like,
I mean, from that record to everything else, it's definitely
But that's dope.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I mean, if we got one, I mean I mean,
because I was of the thought that you would never
see that happen. Yeah, I mean, I think it's damnar
impossible to be honest, like, but I mean, I was
always saying that it's damn near impossible in this viral
world that we live in that something would not gain
enough momentum to get out of the ecosystem and into
the real world.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know what the consumption spa. It's like, even if
you have a record at radio, right, if you say, okay,
the streaming is there, the tiktoks are there, the concert
tickets are there. Even if you're independent, you got to
have the wherewithal to say, okay, well, if I really
want to be like number one on Billboard.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
You kind of need radio.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like that's I always tell people radios that should be
the last step you worry about.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like if everything else.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Is in tune and the momentums in the right way,
and you're like, we got one, and metrically it shows,
and then you bring in radio to kind of finish
with the gasoline poor, you know, but otherwise it's like.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, it fills in the cracks. But what people don't
realize about radio is only twenty six percent of Americans
have data plans on their cell phones. If you go
outside of the metro current, yeah, ninety six percent of
America still listens to radio. But if we are spoiled
in the metros because we have full coverage of internet
all of that kind of stuff. But if you go

(28:16):
to inner cities, liquor stores, all of that kind of stuff,
they aren't spending their money on data plans to listen
to YouTube, right, you know, or Spotify or whatever it is.
I was and rural free. Well, but you know it's not.
YouTube's murdering it right now but big time, I mean,
and they're just starting to pay artists work, which is great.

(28:36):
But what I'm saying is is as far as nooks
and cranny goes, and as far as coverage Internet, Wi Fi,
all of that kind of stuff, there's no way to
get into the nooks and crannies of what incubates our
music better than radio, and it's superpowers. It's free and
accessible everywhere, and like I was saying in Louisiana when

(28:57):
when I was out in the country, if there was
a cloud in the sky, we didn't get internet, TV nothing.
We got radio, right, you know what I'm saying. So,
I mean a lot of people are still dependent on
radio outside of the metros, and people don't realize.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
That what is the because you know there is Like
I was just having this conversation with my boys, they
make beats and ship, and they were talking about how
crazy and spooky the AI app where you could just
type in like a description and it'll crank out a
song for you.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh yeah, what's that you called soro sono? So what
is it? Well, there's there's one for the video side,
not the video one.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's the music one, right, sooner there's a music one,
but the video. The music one is crazy, like I
you know, obviously there's there's the fifty cents, right, but
there's like you could just type in like I need
a beat that sounds like the Alchemist and Mad Live
could have produced it and boom boom boom. I needed

(29:56):
to be this BPM and it'll just crank out like
ten options for you.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, and the they're all good. It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And so it's like, there's got to like we're gonna
get to a point where it's sampling. It is gonna
be like that, And that's what my homies were saying.
They're like, Yo, eventually you're gonna have to cause you
could get stems for the beats, like they'll stem out
your beats off the AI.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, this morning the news came out that Universals settled
their lawsuit with Udio. They finally settled that, but they
settled it to create a new platform. Do you see
what I'm saying, which will give Udio access to Universal's cattle.
What is that? It's one of those sites, you know
what I mean, that AI music generation site. But it will,

(30:40):
from what I can read between the lines on it,
it will treat it like sampling, you know, like you
can make a song, but it's gonna credit what it
took it from, right, you know what I mean? And
that's what we've really been trying to get to. I mean,
the majors, all of them, Warners, Sony and Universal, sued Udio, Suno,
all of that kind of stuff, because basically they were

(31:01):
trolling the YouTube and using that to train their models.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, because if you if you damn Like I was
thinking about this, I was like, yo, someone just created
a YouTube channel and made like the quirky, like fifty
type songs.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
What you're taking like a radio guy, look at you?
You just get a crazy YouTube ship crack like. I
think there's also they're forcing like think about it.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
If you're like, all right today, I want fucking NWA
straight out of Compton, but I want it to be
nineteen twenties.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I like the yacht right. Have you seen the yacht
rock guy? How he makes the songs yacht rock?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Shout to the yacht rock.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, but it's like you can do old channel and
then it's just you know.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's interesting to say even like you know who I'm
it's probably aready happening. But there's that lo fi like
subgenre of music where they it's just instrumentals and like.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, one of the things that Harvey said at the
seminar was that And and Harvey part of he's one
and a half of with him and Damon Thomas, one
of the biggest producing duo is every Beyonce all of
that shit. He said that he in the studio even
with him, there's no instance to where Ai isn't being

(32:26):
used even a little bit, whether it be a hook,
whether it be a lyric, whether it be a sample,
whether it's something that every studio is using AI in
some way, shape or form. So it's just going to
be interesting to see. Now how they you know, if
they take it from one hundred samples, how do you
say it's Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
My thing is like, how do you how are you
able to use it as a tool instead of using
it or depending on it to where like whatever the
soul of the music is like taken out well and
it's do people give a fuck?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I don't think. Look, that's the thing though, is I
don't I think both sides don't give a fucking certain contexts, Like,
I mean, a lot of the money is coming from
the data and the product sales. Okay, that's how the
record companies are really making the money these days. So
if they can have something catchy that lasts thirty seconds,
that's all the content they need to get you to

(33:21):
the next spot, you know what I mean. So remember
back to the future when I think it was Back
to the future where they're playing the commercials as the records. Yeah,
you know, and that was the the nostalgia of it.
I think if you applied that to current times and said, okay, well,
if I could make a quick you know right, thang
out of this and keep them there long enough to

(33:42):
do it. But I also think that the platforms are
going to eat themselves. I mean people's attention span. There's
with Vinyl coming back and CDs coming back and all
of the stuff. I think you're right, Like I said,
it's a calm before the storm, before the resurgence of
lo fi, and that means going back to human created

(34:03):
ship and the underground movement.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's gonna be like a trendy like.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, an underground movement, the indie movement, and I think
that's where it's going is you know, remember like the
backpack phase, you know, and and like the Far Side
and all of that.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I think that that vibe mass appeals. Naza's labels doing
the crazy. They've put out some ill ship this year.
They got this like let what is it like the
Something Legends, So they put out a mob Deep album.
They got a big l album coming out tonight, ghost
Face Killer Ray Kwan. So they've been like doing like

(34:41):
these dope like they're doing a DJ premiere NAS collap
album in December, so shouts to mass appeal NAS and
the guy Peter over there got to figure out.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
NAS is killing it right now doing stuff on the billionaires.
You know.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
What's so funny is like back when there was like
the Beef, Yeah, I was like everyone always would be like, yeah,
but Jay's got more money, and I'm like, like, look,
jay Z probably to this day still has more money.
Let me be clear, But it is interesting that like
NAS was just like quietly investing invested in the ring cameras, Like,
like NAS that a casino coming, I.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Mean not just a casino, like it's a like two
billion dollar project, crazy, And he's investing in the Hip
Hop Museum at the same time, which is really really cool.
You know, NAS has always been great. I love NAS.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
What has since since you've been able to come back
onto the scene in terms of like interesting year by
the way for you.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, from where we sat last year and that now,
it's been a lot has happened.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I mean, you do a lot of consulting stuff right now.
You almost bought a radio station.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I heard almost but uh, and I'm going to London,
uh to talk about the second book.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So so you're going to do another book.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm going to do another book.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Is it going to be autobiographer or is it going
to be more'n.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's gonna be a little bit of both. It's about
the return. And you know, because when we sat last time,
where I was sitting, people were telling me you'll never
make yourself relevant in a space, you know what I mean,
like in social media and that kind of stuff. You're
an old radio guy that time has passed. Da da
da da da. So in the synergy marketing of it,
and you know, using Instagram instead of a radio signal

(36:21):
and during a minute and thirty radio breaks, there's something
to the consistency and repetition breads familiarity. Familiarity breeds a relationship,
relationship reads steamwork, and or synergy and synergy when it's
games formula, well.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
You've pretty much like applied your theory to your own content.
And it's a lot of people. I mean a lot
of people. I feel like I get a lot of
Like I feel like I'll see headlines and stuff, but
then I'll see you talk about it and I'll be like,
oh okay, I get it now, Like.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well, look, you know it's funny because look, I'm not
always right. I'm not always trying, you know whatever. Whatever.
It's more like I'm a radio DJ at the end
of the day, right, and we're only right. I mean,
come on like a broken clock twice a day, right,
you know what I mean? So I just get on
there say whatever it is, and a lot of it,

(37:07):
like even with the breaking news thing and stuff like that.
I mean, friends would hit me up and say breaking news,
and I just thought it was funny. So I just
kept going, you know what I mean. So I don't
know it's working, but it's more fun than anything to me?
Are you?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Because you have done a really good job of covering
political stuff that's just frustration. But for you, I think
I remember when you had first started to kind of,
you know, really kind of be consistent with that, seeing
some of the comments where people like, yo, man, stick
to the music shit.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
You know what. One of the things that you said
to me that really inspired me is I made this.
I was talking about the red and blue thing. I
was talking about how Republicans, democrats, bloods and crips, and
you called me on it and you were like, Yo,
that was really cool. I got that. I was like, fuck,
maybe I'm onto something and it actually made me really

(38:03):
think about that, So thank you for doing that.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I just think like, at the end of the day, man,
we're in a situation where the device of this is
at an all time high, and you know, the tribalism
is a spooky thing to be wrapped up in, and
like it's so crazy right now that like I get
it if you're like, you know, if you are on

(38:28):
that side, fuck you, I get it. It's bad what's happening.
But at the same time, it's like I just feel like,
you know, we're very much being pulled apart at the
threads well of humanity and it's all to me, it's
purposely contrived identity shit. So they want us to hate
each other because of where you were born, or what
your religion might be, or who you're fucking and sucking

(38:51):
who the fucking you know, who your parents, whatever it is.
They want to do.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
That while they're getting away with a bag.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
They're taking all of the money.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, well, I mean there there is a class thing. Yes,
it's a classic thing of you know, the government for
a long time with the CIA was doing this. I
forgot the name of the project that was the propaganda project,
you know, where they would they would literally pit us
against each other just to get things past. You know

(39:24):
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I mean it is a very very you know it's
it's it's a smart thing to do if you're.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Just exploiting our differences to get away with a.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Bag hun they're making agree they're making because most people
agree on about eighty percent everything I want your fucking
neighborhood say. If you want to be able to feature kids,
you know, all that should we all can agree on.
It's the twenty percent that they turn up well, and
a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Of it's manufactured. I mean, if you stop and think
about it, there's only a what was it, it's it's
one percent of America is immigrants, right, do you know
what I'm saying? Illegal? You know what it is? It
is like eleven million or something or something really dumb.
It's really not that big a deal. Immigration is really
not that big a deal.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I even think about how and I think the Democrats
were stupid for leaning into this. But it was a
huge talking point in the election, the trans thing where
it's like, okay, yes, I feel like people who have,
in my opinion, common sense and to me, this is

(40:31):
not a transphobic take. If you were born a male,
you should not compete athletically against genetic females. Now, how
many times has that actually happened? And how many people
does that affect? But then it becomes this huge talking
point and it low key like they leaned into it,

(40:56):
so they had the commercials run in and then if
you're the left, you're like, yo, guys, what do we like?
Like they're they leaned into that shit in a way
that you're like, yo, like, this is not what we
want to hear about. We want to hear about free
health care. We want to hear about how the fuck
like groceries can go.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Like why is like?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
And then and then the rights like they got their
red meat because they could turn this shit up. And
it's like, in retrospect, if you're somebody who voted for
Trump because you felt like, man, some of that shit
on the left just got a little too weird for me.
Now you got to kind of look in and say, like, Okay,
the stuff that you thought might have got a little

(41:35):
too weird for you, Like does that actually affect your.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Life or anyone who you know?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Is like the chances that it does is slim to
none as opposed to all of the crazy shit.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
That's going on as we speak.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Like I know a lot of Latino dudes who voted
for Trump because they're like super conservative. They don't want
they I don't want dudes going in girls' bathrooms, And
I'm like, bruh. But now, like your family might be
getting torn apart or someone you know might be getting you.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Know what I'm saying. So it's like, at what point
in time.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Are you like, you know what, This is a purposely
contrived issue that has been you know, turned up on purpose, and.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
You got to look at what are they trying to
distract you from. Look at like school shootings for instance, right,
do you know what I'm saying, Look at the demographic
of school shootings, you know, and then look at like
how many there are, you know, and look at how
many are created, or how many incidents there were with
immigrants in school shootings, none, you know what I mean.

(42:39):
So it's like, look that base loves to point the
finger at things and say you're doing exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And they're also supposed to be to me, you know,
I was thinking about like I held my tongue when
Charlie Kirk died, because I was like, I don't have
anything to add to this conversation that won't get people
mad at me, or.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You know, I wish I would have said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But but what my thought process was obviously, don't deserve
to think you deserve to die, you know. Well, my
thought process was just from seeing the outpour of people
who I know, you know, posting about some guy they
don't know, and how like going after people's jobs and
shape well not even that, just like just like, you know,

(43:26):
the humanity and this is this is where society is,
you know, and then getting in their Christian bag with
this guy and and uh and I'm like, yo, I
haven't seen you post anything about what's going on in Gaza.
To me, the selective humanity and the selective Christianity.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Christianity thing is what's really getting me, because it's not
you guys aren't even real Christians. Well and you don't.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
You probably have never even read the fucking Bible.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I mean, look look at Ted Cruz up there talking
about Israel. If you support Israel and wrong Bible versus
and stuff like that, I mean, and just the Bible
thumping period. It's like, if you know anything or have
a relationship. I went to Christian in school, so if
you know anything about God, I mean, look at a

(44:17):
lot of these churches with the Bentley's and all of
this kind of shit. Jesus would walk up in that
motherfucker melt all of this down and say give it
all to the poor.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Look at the Pope. The Pope is like, yo, you guys,
like the Pope is putting pressure on American cardinals to
pressure the American government to relax on how they're treating
people that if it Like again, let's be clear, let's
be clear, I am not a religious man. I do
not subscribe to any religion. I would damn near say

(44:50):
I'm atheist. But I've done enough you know, mushrooms to
think there might be something out there. With that being said,
I do know the Vatican Atholic Church. They're fucked. They've
done some crazy shit themselves covered up a lot. Anyway,
what I'm saying is you have all these people who
are supposed to be Christian or are supposed to be
you know, people of God.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
But but Brinder goes out every time they get together,
even that.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Aid, which is funny, by the way, but just the
fact that, like you're selective on when you're Christian.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
But that's what I'm saying is it's hypocritical. I mean,
even with My biggest problem with the administration is the
level of bullshit. It's you know what I mean, it's
like crazy gases down ato two dollars. You know, you're like, it'
like what gas station is that? You know what? Like
I'm trying to go to that grocery store. The Portland
shit is so funny. I mean, oh, and like we

(45:44):
were talking about that Portland. Portland's on fire. There's no
what did he say, there's no cars or there's no something.
All of a sudden, they're going like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's what it's By the way, it's a block because
my boy Phil Becker goes out there and he's like,
I think their show him footage of when it was
on fire. He's like, let's be clear, all of it.
It was on fire. But right now it's fine.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
But I mean, think of the history. They show us
the moon landing, they show us nine to eleven, they
show us JFK, they show us MLK, they show all
of this shit. Then say Okay, we faked all this shit.
And then they're like, you know what, we don't even
need to be expectacle spectacle anywhere. We'll just lie to
your face in real time. Yeah, you know what I mean.
And there's no reason to do the big shit. Do

(46:28):
you ever.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Feel like just just disheartened by what's Like, Like there's
a time last week or the week before I hit
my group chat with my guy James and my producer
because we always send political stuff and I'm just like, guys,
I just want to go lay down in a corner.
It's getting icky. It's fucked right now.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Like I mean, when I saw the President get off
of Airs Force one and start dancing to YMCA in
South Korea, I was like the symbol of integrity, the
golden egle, the bald eagle, the United States image. It's
not the village people, right. That was disheartening to me. Yeah,

(47:13):
and to hear what some of the people around you know,
I'm disappointed in America because the America that I grew
up in was you know, the top gun Maverick, right,
you know what I mean, Like we were supposed to
be the good guys. Yeah, we're the good guys like
we don't. We're the ones that would pay maybe and
save Gaza. Maybe you know what I mean, Hey, you

(47:36):
know what, maybe we able. And that's the other thing.
I think there is an awakening where I think a
lot of people are realizing, like, maybe we haven't been
the good guys. Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
And then you start going back and looking at all
the regime change wars and you know how many civilians
got killed in Iraq and you're like.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well and look at the MLK stuff, look at the
JFK CIA killed. I think the government wasn't. I think
the people are rightly good. No, I agree, you know,
I mean maybe, but that's what I mean. I mean
in terms of like our position in the world.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You're like, oh, like you.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Know, I'll tell you this. In Louisiana, I got along
with everybody until we start talking about politics, like that's
the trigger. It's these ideals of it's like gang pop.
That's why I said the Red and the Blue. It's
either you're a Crip or you're a blood. You're a
Republican or a Democrat, and there's nothing in the middle

(48:32):
when it comes to that.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
But if you're Kendrick Lamar and you're a kid in
a mad city.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
But that's what I mean. We all are. We are
the kid in a mad city until you start gang banging.
Do you know what I mean? And that's what I'm
saying is you know, there is no such thing as color.
Your lungs are the same as everybody else, Your brain's
the same as everybody else. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
And this is my whole point, is like a.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Biomechanical suit and electricity.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
There was a funny there was a funny meme that
came out and it was like, uh, Bill Clinton is
in the in the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Oh no, what what.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
What am I gonna do with my Bill Clinton bumper
sticker and flag and red hat and and you know
all this shit. And it's like, because I am very
much like I think Joe Biden fucking was fucking horrible.
Like I did not think he did a good job.
I think, but wait, let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question with that. See that's
perception and reality. Do you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Like he did not do a good job, but the
economy was great for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I mean in terms of like I just can't he
was just on autopilot. I just can't in good faith
fuck with somebody who like greenlit deathnic cleansing of a people.
So for me, that was kind of like.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
But that's more the system did that. Yeah, I'm not
saying but not just yes, he had to be the
final rubber stamp. But what I'm say, my.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Point is this, My point is this. I feel like I,
you know, I used to be someone who was super
captured by I was like a blood or a crip, right,
I'd just be like, you know, I would even say
all the way up until like twenty twenty, you know, like,
but I do think that there was so much stuff
where you were just like, hey, can't we just call

(50:22):
out politicians when they fuck up, no matter what side
they're on. Let me ask you a question, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Let me ask you seriously. Do you think it's all
a show?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Kind of?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I mean, because it's the same lighting people, it's the
same script people, it's the same systems and same propaganda,
same narrative, same everything. But it's it's almost like it's
a bad movie script. Do you know what I'm saying,
Like the way that they do it and all of this,
I think.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It is all a show because I do think especially
when it comes to like the big tech bruhs who
would have donated just as much money had Kamala would
have won, et cetera. Whether it's in the video, whether
it's Peter Tiel, whatever. But I do think when the
actors are really really bad actors, it can get weird.

(51:12):
And to me, that is the danger of having Steven
Miller in the White House or having But.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Do you think that those people are actually calling the shots?
I think in this case, listen, dude, I think that
what you're talking about with the takeover, with the people
across the pond, Yeah, I think that's what's in charge.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
To me that it doesn't matter the lighting, I think
everybody else.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
You're right about that.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I don't think it doesn't It literally doesn't matter at
that point because I do think that they definitely they're
they're paying the bills.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You know, they're keeping the lights well. And you have
to remember when JFK was shot, what did they tell
every president after? Front of Mine was a fundraiser for
Obama and he said to Obama at one point like,
why didn't you do any of the things that you
said they could do? And they said on my first
day in office. They said, just keep in mind what
we can do to you. Remember Kennedy, you know what

(52:06):
I mean, like, stay in line.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
That's my thing, is I think when it comes to
the big picture geopolitical shit, yeah, yes, no matter who
would have won.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
She didn't think about this. Antarctica. Lebanon is still getting bombed.
Think about Antarctica. The one thing that we can all
agree on is stay out of Antarctica. Like every country.
I mean, we can't agree on food for everything for everybody,
but we can agree to stay in the fuck out
of Antarctic. Everybody knows something that the party doesn't. Oh yeah,

(52:40):
do you know what on a like? But that's what
I mean. What else is there? If we're talking about
gravity manipulation and all of this technology, that's not just
a one country thing. UFOs aliens, all of that stuff.
They have as many in Russia as they did in America.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Let me tell you something funny, and it's not even funny,
it's a true story.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
How do you get UFO stories?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
My on my mom's side of the family's from Maryland, Massachusetts, Maryland.
Her aunt Her husband's name was Doc. He was one
of the first like fifty employees at NASA and retired

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at NASA.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
You know whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
My mom, I think it was probably like ninety eight
ninety nine, went out there to visit them, and she
asked They all went to dinner, and she asked him
about aliens, if they're real or not. And he was like, well,
I can't answer that question. He's like, but what I
can tell you is that if people knew it was
in the ocean, there's a good amount of society that
want to kill themselves.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Okay. Grandpa was employee number twenty five in the CIA.
Oh shit, and he said, it's not up, it's down.

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Speaker 2 (54:52):
And here's the other thing about that. When I was
in Louisiana, we were out by Barksdale Air Force Base
right out of Shreemport. And one night I was sitting
there on the porch with the caretaker, so I wasn't high,
you know whatever, whatever, and somebody else saw it and
we see this thing coming down. It looks like a
helicopter that's just kind of bouncing, but only had two

(55:12):
lights and nothing flashing. And it was going so slow
that I ran in the house. I turn off the light.
I looked from my phone, couldn't find it. Came out
and just as I was coming out, it slowly flew
right over the house. Now, this was the size of
one of those tanker ships that you see in the Mediterranean.
Had two lights on the back, one on the front,
and flew and you could see right through it. And

(55:34):
in my head it said, yep, this is the Philadelphia experiment.
Like I'm like, this is gravity manipulation. Yep, this is
gravity manipulation. And it flew literally so slow. I was
just kept thinking, this is going to fall out of
the sky. It's going so slow, It's going to fall
out of the sky. And it just went right over
the trees and then took off.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, it's interesting too that like while the world is
like chaos, they slipped the world at list thing going on, Well,
they'll slip like the little Yeah, UFOs are real, but
it's like there's so much other shit. People are worried
about it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
But for the last hundred years they've been doing that.
I mean, but everything that. But that's why I say,
is it all a show? Because if you go back
to Star Trek, when we would be sitting there looking
on our iPhones today. We were looking at that in
Star Trek going that will never happen.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I think everything entertainment wise, from.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
These major the movie division of all.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It all just psychologically prepares us for the inevitable.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I think that's it.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Did you watch the Netflix movie that the Obamas produced? No,
So essentially it's about what were to happen if a
foreign country took all of our Internet off of the
grid and perpetrated a propaganda campaign to make everyone think

(56:54):
there was a civil war when there wasn't, and how
America would destroy each other from what then because they
don't have the information?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Now? Was that prophecy or this this?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
This was like, Oh, I was like, uh, this is
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
One it's happening.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Like imagine if we woke up one day and there
was no Internet, no TV.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, you'd be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
What the fuck has been going on with these fucking
balloons and these fucking things hanging over Jersey?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Noticed that what was going on in a Jersey? They
still have not told us what the Miami bro Remember
when all the cops showed up in Miami and they
said the eight foot tall things were walking around the style.
Did you see Uh?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Did you? I don't know if you caught the Maybe
like two years ago there was a UFO thing in
Vegas in the backyard of our Mexican family's house.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
That one. And there was one above the strip club,
not that I saw that one.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, there's a good strip club in Tampa.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Have you ever been to Magic City? It's called.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
In Tampa, there is a strip club and the VIP
is a fly alien. It's a flying saucer. It's called
Odyssey two thousand and one. It's on deal Mabray Road
and the number is my boys. The manager good Spot.
Good Spot ain't seating up though. You got to sneak
your liquor in there.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I've never done that when I've never done that. Yeah, disclaimer,
but yeah, no, I do think the UFO thing, I
I know is real. I agree, but I agree with you.
I think it's coming out of the ocean. I think, look,
I think that the what I think is an Antarctica,
though I think it's attached. I think whatever is happening
through the ocean is deep enough to go through. I

(58:39):
think I think, see this is where I'm starting to
think of the flat Earth thing. Do you know what
I'm saying. I'm starting to think that this all is
some sort of alien and farm or some shit like.
This is the whole thing about the Earth being round
and the horizon thing. I was with a pilot one
time and I was asking him. We were flying on

(59:00):
a private jet, and I was like, so was the
Earth flat or something? And he was like looked at me, like, bro,
he goes, let me just show you something about the horizon.
Here he goes, if it was round, we would be
doing this, you know, this kind of shit. And I
was just like the pilot telling me this. You know,
I think that a lot of it is interconnected. They
spent the two trillion dollars on tunnels and shit like that.

(59:22):
I think there's a lot more going on underground than
where well, but I just don't know if it's a sphere,
if space. I mean, look at what they've fed us
about space. I mean the Van Allen Belt and trying
to get through that in a ten can to the moon,
even the and even this at List thing.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
What's at Listing?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
You haven't seen the three eye at List? Shit? Well,
apparently there's a spaceship or a comet. Oh that's coming
that is around the sun right now, that's it's But
they Japan released government shut down, so NASA shut down,
so we aren't seeing anything from our side of the world.
But Japan released a video of this thing and it

(01:00:01):
sure as hell don't look like a comet, and it's due.
I mean, look at the Boogi sphere whatever the hell
that was, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Did you see this painting that that came out that
was over nine hundred years old and it's got a
UFO in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But did rewind for just one second, one of the
bugest fear Did you see what? Now? Okay, there's this
ball that they found in like it was Brazil at
South America. It was flying around, it was like a
football in the sky kind of thing, and it hit
an electrical line and then fell. Now that they've researched it,
it's twelve five hundred years old. But the markings and

(01:00:34):
stuff they put in the Google Quantum computer and it's
like the the star map to space and like, you know,
all of the physics and all of this stuff in
one thing. And if you were going to put a
message in a bottle and send it to somebody and
say here's all the answers. It was all on this
fucking sphere, you know what I mean? But how do

(01:00:55):
you spell that? Boog? Is fhear? I think? But look
it up and it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Did you see the new planet they just found. That's
just all water. No, they just found a new planet.
It's just the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But look what they say about space and the ISS
and maybe turning off the feeds and you see the cords,
and I mean, it's all it seems all staged.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I think it's a problem when NASA isn't as capable
as elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But that's the thing too, you know that trips me
out too. We can agree on Antarctica and every country
can agree on putting a Starlink satellite over their freaking country.
That's the two things that we can all agree on,
do you know? So it's like, what I mean, what
is it really? You know? I mean, we are dumb
monkeys at the end of the day, We're we're whatever

(01:01:44):
we're told.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
It's illegal to go, right if you just wanted to go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Well, okay, so there's a many years ago there was
a I think it was like John Glenn. It was
one of the space guys that went there and literally
had a heart attack and said, like what I saw
like is freaking crazy. And when he got back, they
had a United Nations meeting and everybody in the United
Nations and every country agreed that one we're putting a

(01:02:11):
base there, and two everybody's got to stay out of there.
So whatever's going on in Antarctica, how would you cover it?
You'd make it cold as fuck, and you'd have an
international treaty treaty that that's the one place you can't go.
So while we're sitting here bitching about nuclear weapons and
fighting over race and bloods and cripshit, what's really going on?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Do you think there's a chance that there's lizard people
or alien alien folks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I think there's interdimensional beings and they could probably take
on it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Because I feel like if there were to be some
alien fools, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I did see your eyes do this instead of like
I think you're an alien? I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
First bet Oh, yeah, Peter til.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Oh, Peter Teal is I mean both, I mean Elon
and Peter Teal. There's something else going on there. I mean,
I mean Peter til did this armageddon thing and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Antish, Yeah, Well, I'll say Antichrist conversations you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
But you know, but look at it like this. If
you were an alien and you were going to introduce
yourself to the Earth or start down that path, what
would you do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
You would try to kind of position yourself as.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You know, chat GPT. Yeah, that's true. You'd start with
the chat GPT so that you could have a that's
the handshake. And I think it's going to evolve into disclosure.
That's why I think it's really happening. But I think
there's probably a bunch of different species. But you have
to remember the if we believe what we're told the
universe is millions and millions and millions of years old.

(01:03:57):
If we're the only things in this vast thing that's
million of years old, and the most we.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Still haven't figured out what's going on the Bermuda Triangle man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Disappear when I think that's just crazy. When but what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
What what about that one plane that could never find
from Malaysia Malaysia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Airline, that thing you didn't see the video of that. No,
it was a little biggest fears things that were swirling
around it and it just disappeared. They have a satellite
video of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
That's crazy. Not these stuff man, insane. What do you
think is you think? Do you think Diddy's getting partoned
by Trump?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I think it will happen. I think I think that'll
happen when they need something to divert attention. Yeah, but
I think they're going to do with Julane too. Hm. Dude.
I think that this administration is so corrupt that if
you spent a million to five million dollars on a
certain crypto, you could get any legislation done.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah, it's kind of cool. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Like I mean, think about some of the things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
How much money Baron Trump's made, And I'm like, but
did you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
See how crypto? Right? Like he was in his dad's
office listening to them about crashing something and he just
let him do it. Then bought a bunch of ship
and it shot back up. Yeah, and he was under investigation.
We're worried about Hunter Biden manipulation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Give me the crack, smoke and Hunter every time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And you know it's crazy that they keep going after
you know, the cartels and stuff. I mean they knocking
down all at Donnie's suppliers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
That's funny. Yeah, Donnie Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, Donny Jr. Did you see that one where he
was at a speech and he reaches in his pocket
and starts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Between him and Hunter Biden. That'd be a nice night
in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
You know what trips me out about Donnie though, is
he's a hunter, right, you know, he'd always talk about
hunting and big game and all believes that are thirty
out to six shot. Charlie Kirk, I want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
To ask you about that. Well, you had a Charlie
Kirk video that went pretty viral. What do you act if, like,
what are the inconsistencies and what do you think happened?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
You know, I I don't know what really happened. I
know that trapdoor and a bunch of the other stuff
just doesn't make sense them submitting over it and not
taping it off. But I look, I think that when
the assassination attempt on President Trump turned the sentiment for him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
A lot of people decided when they try to kill him.
But I also, we're going to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Well, And but I thought the timing was a little
bit weird about how right when the bullet went off,
the Secret Service moved photographers directly in the line of
sight of the president, which normally, if there was an
attack on the president, you'd move everybody out of the
distance of the president, not into firing line of the president,

(01:06:43):
and dropped the flag behind him as it was happening.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
So you do you do you think I think it
was the people behind him were just sacrificed. Guys, there's
there if.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
They were real, do you know what I mean? Like
we hear like for instance, there was three thousand people
at the Charlie Kirk assassination, but we see no interviews
of it, right, you don't see people talking about it,
you know, I mean, look a look at that wound,
look at you know, the shirt thing. Look at the

(01:07:13):
fact that they didn't tape it off or treated like
a crime scene. Looked that they did a gag order
on the three thousand people that were there. There's no addutopsy,
there's no burial. We don't know where he's buried. The
wife acts really strange, and the wife had was seventeen
in Ukraine around traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
It definitely does not behave like somebody who.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Just ended new Trump at seventeen new Epstein, new Maxwell,
new Victoria, secret New all of these things and the
trafficking thing came out of that. Yeah, the Victoria's secret name. Okay,
so those guys got off. That's the guy who gave
Epstein all his money. But you didn't hear about that. Well, Wexner,
it's always been untouchable. But the Victoria's Secret in the

(01:07:57):
Ambercrombie and Finch thing. You didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
How the dudes are doing all kind of gay shit
with the Blue Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
They said he has dementia, so they were tied with
lex I didn't understand trial and that was part of
the Diddy case. She is great. They gave Epstein a year,
but did he so in jail on a prostitution charge.
When have you ever heard somebody who did not touch

(01:08:26):
the prostitute and they don't have the money in his
hand transferring to the prostitution go to prison for four
years for prostitution? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
I think I think what it is was it was.
It's It's almost like how the stock Marty is all sentiment.
I think the public sentiment for all of all of
the Diddy stuff, the Cassie video being out. I think
the judge wanted to make a point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
But look at the timing of that two weeks before
the trial or before the raid on his house, they
released that video tape. The videotape is the center point
of the case. Cassie, which the tape. If he was
on a DV case, you would hear me say lock
him up, right, But because it wasn't a it was
not a domestic balance, not going to do with that. Now,

(01:09:10):
take the tape out of it. Cassie would have caught
worse charges than did he did. She was she was
handing the money, she was directing. The witnesses said she
was the one directing when Diddy was passed out on
ketamine in the corner, she'd still be going. Now, if
you're somebody that's there against your own will, you're not

(01:09:31):
telling hey when he falls asleep piping again, you know
what I mean? It doesn't work like that, right, right, right, right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I mean Glad, I forget what Lad tweeted, but he
did have a good point about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Like, where's where's the Cassie. She did immunity to testify
in the case, right, and then she got him there
and you know, and here's two bags. She got twenty
from the from the hotel and got another twenty five
from him. But here's the crazy thing. You noticed that
Diddy didn't put on one witness, interesting, not one witness,

(01:10:01):
and he didn't go after anyone of them. He's still
paying the fucking rent for the one for fifty cents,
baby Mama, and she was sitting there testified. That's cuckish, isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
It, Arry, Arry, I think I think he's gonna get
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, I think, dude, there's no I mean, they said
that they'll release him in a year because he's got
time served. I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I think you're right. Though, it's gonna be. It's gonna
happen right when they need the news cycle to swing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
It's gonna be like, well, they'll do Julaine and Diddy
at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
You're gonna do Julayne first, and then like the next
morning video drop and no one's gonna talking about Jlaane
Maxwell and Julayne.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I mean you have to remember, I mean, she got
busted for participating, right, And just the fact that they're
even discussing that is just insane to me, because, I mean,
the fact that she got moved, right, the fact that
Trump's former personal attorney's the one that met with her
and then she got moved.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That's very interesting. It's we are very much living in like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It's a movie, a badly scripted to be movie. It's crazy.
It is crazy. Okay, so take yourself out of right now.
Just let me ask you a question. Take yourself out
of right now. If you saw Donald Trump as the
president five years ago, ten years ago, when like Obama
was in the White House and this movie on to
be of today, I would you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I probably wouldn't watch it, probably, yeah, never have it.
It's like idiot, Well, there's a movie, that Idiocracy movie
that came out with Luke Wilson in like two thousand,
movie with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Nate Doggs singing at rest in fuse when he was
like singing it with Chris Rock where Chris Rock was
the president.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Oh fu of State. Yes, yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Of This is soul Plane. We're watching soul Plane White
House Edition.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
By the way, what for you for you? I want
to get back to the Charlie Kirk thing real quick,
if you had to, who would want him killed?

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
And why? I don't think if you really honestly want
to know my opinion, Yeah, I think he's alive. I
think he was on that jet that disappeared thirty minutes
after I think he went into that trapdoor. They took
a mannequin or fake something or a body double or
something and took him somewhere else. There's no autopsy, there's

(01:12:21):
no ballistics report, there's no body. That body that she
was crying over was obviously fake. I mean it looked
did you see that thing? Though? She was crying over
his body and his body was laying in the cast beca.
His hands were plastic. It wasn't even the same color
as a dead person. You know. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Though, that means that he had It's a show. He
had to have been this whole thing. His whole entire
trajectory and insertion into the political sphere pop culture was
all manufactured.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Well, I mean, look at okay, So look at it
like this. Yeah, think about okay, who paid the first
one hundred and fifty million dollars to get the college
campuses on their side? Is okay? So then he did it?
Did it? Did it? The second that he started saying
something different? And then what is the prophecy? The prophecy
is that Israel has to have the whole world mad

(01:13:12):
at them so that they can build the next temple
and usher in the anti Christ Jesus Christ. Isn't that
the isn't that the prophecy? I don't know me, but
that's that's that's in the that's they have to make
the whole world mad at them, start World War three,
start armaged in the usher in the anti Christ. So

(01:13:34):
I think that that's I mean, and look at it
like this, six months a year ago, if you so
much just said I don't like you to somebody that
was Jewish would be called an anti Semmer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I think still, I mean, but it's there was this
Stephen Miller's bitch ass wife.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yeah, it's I do appreciate the fact that now, at
least because they kept trying to put words in Shane
Kuegar's mouth, because they were essentially saying, you're talking about
the Jews. And he's like, I didn't who said I
don't like you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
No, he said, who said the Jews? I said, Israel,
that's not that's a government. Like if what is Israel
a Jewish state? Yeah, but Saudi Arabia is a Muslim state.
If I say Saudi or if I if I talk
about Saudi Arabia I'm not shitting on all the Muslims.
Apparently the United States is a Christian state, which I
don't think it is, but whatever it is that, I mean,
a lot of these white fucks in the government were

(01:14:30):
like you to believe that Jadvans even though he's married
to an Indian woman and she is Hindu. With that
being said, if someone says something about America doesn't mean
they're shitting on all Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Right, digging than nine to eleven in Iraq? Yeah, that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I mean, look, I just think it's interesting that nobody
is like the Greater Israel project is just going forward
no matter what, and I think the public sentiment is
getting to the point where I think that bb net
and Yahoo and his cronies that are in the Israeli
government understand it's only gonna get worse from here. So

(01:15:08):
if they're gonna go for it, they kind of have
to just unapologetically all fucking sales forward, go for it now,
or it's never gonna happen because the jig is up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Kind of Did you see Kushner and uh what's his
name in the interview where they said this has been
a two year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Of course, of course, yes, crazy. Yeah, Jed, I mean
that's I mean, it's just it is, it's it's but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
That's what I mean, It's it seems all staged.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I mean if you really just listen, if you
if you really like get high one night and you
just start thinking about everything, you're just like, fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Well, as much as Bam smokes, I get a contact
high and that was basically the whole way he or
so you're not a smoker man, not as much. Ever
since Nate Dog died, it just hasn't been the same
here and there, here and there, here and there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Yeah, what is there? Because you were I feel like
you were getting in the studio a lot for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah, if you listen to some stuff here, you know
it because it felt like you were working on a project.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Are you put a song out?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Well? We started, we started working on stuff and then
we got together at Record One, which is the Pharmacy
Dred Studio and Quick Battle Cap focused timbaland Rock Wilder, Myself,
Day One, Cotazy Black Toven Twist. I mean, just all
kinds of people put some songs together. And recently I

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went out to go check out Strange Music Techno, went
to Casey I went there fucking amazing soon dude, do it?
I mean, great guy and hospitality, a plu.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
A and our two gold records for them up there.
My brother Ritz shout to Ritz.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Absolutely amazing place, and I went out there with Brian
Shafting from Compact and Justin. It was absolutely amazing seeing
all of that, But I wanted to look at the
distribution side too while a couple of things got finished.
And we just finished the Twist to Tech nine record
with Timberland uh and Swift uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
And Timbland's AI artist isn't on it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
No, this is old Timberland too on the beat. Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
So so this is a record that's going to be
a deminsitive Presents Records. Are you going to do distro
through Shafting?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
But we're gonna I can't say yet, but we're talking
with Strange about doing it well because they're disge the
same kind of thing, but I create a new kind
of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Me and Brian had talked about doing a distro company,
and fuck, man, you know, I don't want to take
a percentage of someone's music unless I truly feel like
I'm offering them a real service outside of uploading their music.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
That makes sense well, And part of the delay is
that is I still don't feel that there is a
way to promote music properly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, because it's like, what is the infrastructure outside of
being like, hey, yeah, I could send like hit your music,
yeah and make sure it's on all the platforms, but
you could do that on your own.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
So it's like and then you know, with the with
the with the new social media stuff with me and
the momentum that it's gaining, I'm like, I keep pushing
it back because I go, look, we're getting a thousand
new followers a day, We're going viral with all these clips.
Why would I? Why would I do it right now?
Let's wait, let's keep building this audience and then do it.

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What is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Your play? Because you know, I know you would. You
did to missus Table for two or three episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
I did a couple uh one of the podcast thing
I did Warren, I did one with Crazy That's still
in the can from Bone Thugs, and I did uh
what is I guess?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
And Hale, Well, that was I was gonna ask you,
is like seat at the table, seat at the table,
my bead, But what is because I do feel like
the podcast thing could be a great avenue for you,
But I also think, like, yeah, what is I guess
what's going on with your brain?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I talked to a couple of people. I mean I
even talk to Amazon about doing it with their Twitch,
and you know, all of that kind of stuff, and
there's some you know, it's some interesting stuff on the table,
but I just haven't heard the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Yet, because for one, it's like you kind of do
a podcast in your own way every day, right, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Really the clips and the pod numbers are all going down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
And if you did a long there's so many of them. Yeah,
I mean, I think if you did a long form podcast,
you just gotta know, you gotta you just gotta be like,
hey man, we're doing this once a week no matter what.
You can't just be like, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
We're gonna throw something out and see how it does
and then you know. And the other thing is the
one person I was talking to wanted to do a
podcast where I'm kind of the answer to uh, Nick
Fuentes and go that hard but the other way right,
And I was just like, but that's not I'm so
in the center with so much stuff that's true. I

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just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I mean I don't want to, yeah, and you don't
want to. I mean I don't want to be something
I'm not. Yeah, And also like I think the Hassan
Piker dudes kind of in that space a bit. But
I just think, like I wouldn't want to be anybody
who people look at as somebody who's left or right.
I would want, like, I really want to interview Gavin

(01:20:20):
Newsom so bad. You should because I know I'm trying,
because I can like give him props and then just
melt him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, but he deserves to be melted on a lot
of ship. Yes, I mean, especially the fire ship.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
But it's the fire I mean, just some of like
I mean the COVID shit, the fire ship. That's the
ship that he did with the UH charities.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
The I mean that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
He is the most power hungry person president, I mean,
but it has been a little He is the most unorganic,
purposeful I'm going for this power graph.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Did you see when I asked him about APAK?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
That's interesting, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
It's interesting. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You couldn't get off there, you know why, because that
same week it got announced that there's gonna be like
an anti Semitic officer at every school or some shit.
And there's a company that back that called Jpack. And
in that clip you hear him say it. He says,

(01:21:25):
I don't know anything about a A Pack.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Jpack. I know a little bit more about and I'm like,
oh no, but he wants to run for president.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Yes, And this is what and this is something that
is to me very true. You will not win the
Democratic primary if you're owned by a Pack, And you
will not win the Democratic primary if you're not talking
that talk, that fucking Bernie free healthcare shit, because there's
no reason why we send howevery many billion dollars a
fucking year to Israel and these motherfuckers get free healthcare

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and people here are dying every fucking day because.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
That's not all they get. They get college, they get healthcare.
And if a mother gets the baby and the mother
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Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I mean, but that's why I say, you send fucking
veto the fucking uh, the fucking reparation shit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I'm like this fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Guy, but you gotta look at it like this too.
When we sit here and we talk about immigration and
we talk about Native Americans, like all they want to
do is just go back to this colonial bullshit. We're
literally We're like, we're all immigrants. We're all immigrants. Yeah,
the kids, come on, bro, I mean look, okay, the
funniest thing is to watch jd Vance and Donald Trump

(01:23:23):
talk about immigrations to both of their wives, Millennia, who
came in illegally and got paid.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
There's this fucking clip from yesterday. This dipshit Jade Vance
has been doing. He did some turning point shit yesterday
where he was taking questions from the audience. But then
he did an interview and he was like, people shouldn't
have to live next door to a neighbor with four
families that don't speak their language. And and then I'm like,
your fucking wife, her family is Indian.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
He said, they're probably staying with you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
He said, he said something like we don't have the
same values, you know, like, and I'm like, bro, you
you're Christian, your wife and her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Family are Hindu.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
How do you not have how do you not have
the the heart, the soul, the spine to stand up
for your family?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
What are we doing? The permanent eyeliner and dressed up
as a bitch show like that dude has zero spine.
But that's Peter Teel's sky.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I mean, bankrolled his whole political career.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
But okay, so look at the subplot that's happening right now.
You got Trump, who's obviously in late stage heart failure,
maybe Alzheimer's, and all of this who's heir of the
throne Jesus Christ and Peter tele and Elon Musk and
all of that told Trump you take this kid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I think they forced his hand for sure, because I
think a lot of people. I think a lot of
people were hopeful that it would have been Tulsi er
Rfk And you want to talk about someone who's disappointed me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh god, you know they all have. But I mean, look,
if you want to know how easily someone could be bought.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
None of these people have actual beliefs they believe.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I mean, but look at what every single one of
them said about Trump, from Lindsey Graham on down.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Tolci Gabbert is a fucking spineless bitch. Respectfully, I had
a lot of hope. I was like, hey, at least
he's got Tolsi, you know, like these were like, okay, did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
You see cash? Pttel shut down the Charlie Kirk investigation
to see if there was foreign actors. In yesterday, Tolci
Gabbart and him got into it. Apparently there was a
screaming match in the White House between him and her.
She wanted to investigate foreign actors being involved in the

(01:25:46):
Charlie kirksas, and he shut it down.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Speaking of someone who has zero spine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
I hear Bongino is going to quit any day now.
He hasn't been seen, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Would have respected. I give him some respect if he
said I can't, I can't, I can't watch the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
But look at his face every time he's interviewed now,
he's like, bro, I this is not what I signed
up for. You know what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
To man, it's like, you know, with the cash Betel thing,
it almost feels like, you know, we talked about how
like Charlie Kirk might have been like purposely pushed into
space the Cash Betel thing. You have this guy going
on like a random podcast tour for like two or
three years. He had his own show. He was super like,
drain the swamp, ort least the Epstein files. The base

(01:26:31):
gets round and then Congress and he's, oh, you want
to embarrassed cover him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
For the hood. Oh my god, I could not believe that,
like Cashell at the very sleep in that with a
gun to his head, he just used with his IDF girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
He just they just said he used the FBI private
jet on a date with his IDF girlfriend. How much
does that cost a fucking text? That's my thing. These motherfuckers.
Christy nom two NW jets, two NW jets, so you
can fly in and rate a home depot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
But you can't fucking pay federal workers. Snap is going
to run out. You're gonna send forty billion dollars to
fucking Argentina who just took all of our soy crops
and give them some of the cattle business, or take
the cattle business from our cattle ranchers. But look at
what's happening. They're bankrupting Middle America and black rocks coming
in and buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Yes, I think that the whole play is what you
just said. We're gonna fuck our farmers out of their land, but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
We're doing it to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
So if you are Donald Trump, five years, Amazon or
someone random is going to be running our fucking crops.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Because so you are Donald Trump, you are a real
estate guy. What is the most valuable thing that you
could sell farm land, right America? Oh yeah, of course, Yeah,
so that's all he's doing it. Yeah, and it's literally
happening before our eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Yeah, it's like, let's starve our own farmers out who
supported us it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I mean it's systematic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Look at there are going to default on their loans
and then all of the b.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
But the corporations. What I was saying at the beginning
of this is the corporations got to a certain level
there was nothing else to sustain growth and next quarters profit.
So what do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
What do you think is the next uh, I won't
go on necessarily a false flag, but the next contrived.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Well, they're gonna they're going to enact martial law before
the midterms somehow, And I think that's probably what happened
with the snap thing, is they're going to make everybody
stars starve. They'll revolt. Then they'll call in the National Guard,
say it's rioting or whatever the fuck it is, call it,
call it martial laws, suspend the elections, and then we'll
have the civil war. Do you think that's going to

(01:28:45):
happen if the aliens don't come before it? Do you
think before midterms there's no way we're going into the
midterm elections. Well, I mean because because if look look
at it like this, if the midterm elections happen, we've
already seen a revolt of the Republican Party. It's gonna
go blue, and no matter what, no matter what, the
House and the Senate would flip.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
But they're they're they're meddling there. They got Jade Vance
on a tour meeting with like the Indiana government trying
to do all these these redistricting and then the conservative
brauh bought dominion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Yeah, but they're matching it in California, and they're matching
it in some other places.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
No, but the voting machines are now conservatively own. It's
now called liberty voting.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Did you see the court case in Florida and the
one in I think it was North Carolina? About that,
I did not hunting twenty percent of the market voted.
Like they're saying that, I mean, the last election was fixed.
But what I'm saying is is that he won before
he Trump said one of his speeches, Elon knows them commuters, right,

(01:29:48):
all of a sudden, we run we won all the
swing stage. But I mean, just think about it. Though,
if they if they end up executing this plan or
not executing this plan, with the redistricting and all of that,
we go into the mid terms, that house in the
Sunate flips. The first thing that they're gonna do is
in pink Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
So and and try them. So there's go to prison.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
So there's no way in hell those midterms are gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
I hope we get to the point because I feel
like we're at the split where we're at the beginning
of like how our world gets to like a mad
Max movie or like what's the what's the Hunger Games
type ship or terminator or it goes the other way,
and you know, there's we got our own version of

(01:30:33):
the trials that happened in Nazi Germany with some of
these ice fucks and Steven Miller's on trial, and hopefully
the world holds Benjamin att Yahoo to the fire, which
will not happen.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I think that they're they're going to do the insurrection.
There's either going to be a civil war or the
or the aliens will show up, and I think we'll
start a nuclear war. The aliens will come in and say, okay,
look yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Because he said he wants to test nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Now, yeah, we blow up another Well, that's when the
aliens first showed up. Remember with Roswell True back in
the sixties or the forties, whatever it was. The first
nuclear bomb that went off, is when they started showing
up and going what are you doing? You're fucking with
the dimensions?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Interesting? So what's next for you? What's next for you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Done? Is it continue doing shit like this? No conspiracy, No,
you know, just do it. Yeah, I'm I'm very uh
in the moment type of guy, you know what I mean.
So whatever happens in the moment, We'll see what happens.
But I'm listening to a lot of the deals and
going to write the book and see what happens over
the holidays and take whatever it is after the holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Yeah, do you have any uh are you? Are you
still excited about the music industry right now?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
No? Because I mean, and tell look, there's there's all
these old guards that are still guarding their checks. Do
you know what I mean? There's nothing new. They're not
letting anybody do anything new, you know what I mean.
And until they open the doors and let people do
something different than what's being done, and the music can
be promoted the way that it needs to be promoted,

(01:32:09):
We're stuck, you know what I mean. If it's, for instance,
if YouTube could act as a radio station, great, If
a radio station could be a podcast format and break
records and great, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
But if you had a magic wand magic toolbox, what
to do?

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Fix? How do you fix radio? You make it more
of a platform. I mean, for instance, if well, I
might as well. But if you reverse the iHeart model,
for instance, why are you broadcasting four thousand radio stations
onto a platform? Why wouldn't you reverse that? You cut
all the overhead of the radio stations NOPDSMDS, gms, anything
like that, and put the format across the whole country.

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That's what you would do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
That's what I would do BBC basically, I think they're
doing that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
It's sort of but not the like instance, what we
did with Power Hot and thirty two stations in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Oh ems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Yeah, yeah, promotions, everything all done through the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
I think there's I think iHeart is doing. I think
they're doing a pretty good job of getting to that
point while still trying to keep as much of the
local talent that still matters intact.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I think with a lot of the AI, you're gonna
start seeing that because like, for instance, you could have
Big Boy in Los Angeles be broadcasting in India and
he could be in the local dialect by the time
he gets there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I think like if you think about like like like
you know, shit, like I'm in a one hundred and
eight cities every night or throughout not every so about
eighty every night and then the rest are on the weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
But it's it's but if you could have AI in
every market that could do independent market research and drop
records in and out time stretch, it would be pretty
bad ass though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Well that would be dope if you could Well, if
you can have the technology, well I think I think
that's the thing when it comes to programming, if somehow
you can do real time research through cars, through whatever
it is to know what the and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Then sort of like a PPM but for music, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Then AI's live programming, it kind of it's probably coming.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
It is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
I why is why why have a local music director
If you can have artificial intelligence really kind of hone
in on what people want to hear and the other
thing is this too? Is like, do you feel like
they're simulcast not syndicate. Could there be a situation in which,

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depending on whose car you get in, the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Sounds yes, and there's also three D sound.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I don't know. It was great talking to you. Yeah,
I think, I bet, I do. I do think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
I do think. I think obviously iheart's like the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
So they're yeah, I think it. Look, it's coming. It's
a time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
At the end of the day, this is a business
and it is a revenue model, and I think, you know,
you've got to kind of you have to bring worth
to the table to survive any industry.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
And there has to be a hybrid. I think that
the way that the world is going to go is
drink champs with a mixed show. Yeah, I think that's
what it needs to be. But locally relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
I mean that's kind of the breakfast club, right, Yeah,
but no, right, but I mean you know what I mean, like,
they're yeah, interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
I love the breakfast club, but they're you know, I
used to say when I was a program director, complacency
is your number one enemy, and that the breakfast club
is just very complacent you think so, yeah, to me,
they're relevant in their topical stuff, but they're not really.

(01:35:56):
I mean, they don't break records. I don't think breaking
records is a thing anymore exactly. But I think that's
also what's affecting the music business is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Earlier like the DJ shit, yeah, dude, it's almost we're.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Not making stars. But then at the music industry, I've
seen the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Records, Like, let me give you an example. There are
records that radio will break today and it does not
translate to streaming number.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
If you are an artist who as a budget and
somehow you end up top twenty at X format radio,
I've seen it where you're like, oh, this record doesn't
have like a real audience outside of the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Like do you know what's an interesting thing though, is
they told me that in ninety seven about rap period.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
But I think back then you could break an artist.
You don't think so not you could break an artist,
but not rap. No, but you could break an artist.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
No, I'm saying at the beginning of it, when rapt
discovered music. Oh you're about early early early rap. Yeah,
it was all rock radio. You could not sales, you
couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
But I just feel like I feel like when I
was coming up, like radio mattered in a way where
you would discover music on the radio. Fuck yeah, Nowadays
it's like if I hear something on the radio kind
of it doesn't mean I like it, you know, even
like a song could be heavily shazamed in a certain
market where it's getting played and the conversion rate to
streaming apps isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Again, but you're also looking at the platform of radio
as its incarnation now, right, do you know what I'm saying? Like,
for instance, when we were doing radio, it it wasn't
it was the platform as well as it was radio.
Do you see what I'm saying? Because we had power
Hot and the thirty two stations, if we ran up

(01:37:43):
in smoke across the whole thing, we could sell out
a tour, when before that they said rap can't tour, right,
do you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I think
that's I think that's how it's positioned right to the art.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Well, I even think too like it. And like even
with that, like nowadays video shows kind of dying the
radio concert Like there used to be all these cool
concerts all over the country. That happened yearly, but then
the festival festival kind of came in. I didn't even
see a lot of plus line. But I know, like
Justin Bieber, Sabrina Carpenter is christ I even think, like

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w l D in Tampa, which I do nights at,
we had Wild Splash.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Is that a plug? Was that a plug?

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I guess, you know, shout out to fucking Tampa's. I
wouldn't say it's my second home, It's like my third home,
fourth home. I got a lot of homes l I
lived there for a few years, but uh, we had
Wild Splash going on for twenty years, and they didn't
do Wild Slash last two years because there's so many
festivals in Florida that have non competes and and these

(01:38:44):
proximity clauses, and then the festivals are paying artists so
much above what they're asking for. Why would they do
a fucking radio show and take like what they're asking
for a little less.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
I've missed the powerhouses. The coolest thing about powerhouses and
our stuff issue just never knew what you were going
to get. Like we had Biggie come out in the
middle of the freaking thing. You had Snoop Dogg come
out or Drake come out. Yeah, like we did.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
We did a real love that in twenty nineteen. We
did Real Street Fest in Anaheim. It was two days
and it was a full fledged festival like iHeart and
Real ninety two threes version of of of Rolling Loud
Ascension and it was super successful. It was insane.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I saw big Covid happens at the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
And then that was it was a one and done
because they were supposed to get they had a lockdown
for twenty twenty and yeah, you were saying about.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
I was gonna say I saw part of the iHeart
Festival thing Big Killing in Vegas, and I saw some
of the clips and stuff. It's just fucking amazing. You know.
I have to say this, big boy. I love big boys.
To see the reception of people even seeing him from
the stage in the crowd or you know, we'll go
somewhere together or something.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Big like, he is like one of the most recognizable
dudes you could ever like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Them, hardest working guy I've ever seen him. He's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
He will stay up late, he'll go to the things.
Walking around Vegas with him is so fun because you're
just like it's like inspiring. You're like, dang, one day,
I want to be like Big Boy. This fool can't
walk five feet. Yeah, and he's still the most humble, nicest,
fucking solid dude like me and Big I'll have some
dope conversations on the side that you know, he's the
best he does and like you know, it was always

(01:40:27):
trying to evolve, just start, always new YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I know you were on his show, right. Oh yeah,
we did the glasses and Fuzzy shout.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
It's a fuzzy man is a connector man, the connector anyway, Well,
I appreciate you, Uh, thank you for having me for
the second time. Go follow Demisa online and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
And listen to bootleg Kevin a market near you. And
then you have this. You said that you're gonna be
doing a record with Tech nine and who we got
the first single will be uh Tembland produced it Swift
Tech nine and Twist. But then we also got records
with Quick Battlecat I mean ge style, gritty m as

(01:41:06):
it presents project or just day one and I did
it together and it's it's called synergy between the two
of us, and it's it's fucking amazing and there's I
might finally get Quick and Warren to do an album,
which would be fucking awesome. Yeah. Imagine, Like so Quick

(01:41:26):
and Warren are two of like my best friends, do
you know what I mean? So all the time I'm
trying to get back to be in the studio with
them watching make beats together. Oh god, you know Quick
is the one. I mean, Warren is absolutely amazing not
only is a producer but just as a friend. But
Quick is the fucking mad scientist. Yes, ye like, and
I'm in awe every time, Like I learned something new

(01:41:49):
in this last time. When he came by, I was like, look,
I need help with mixing this record, and he goes,
you fuck you, miss You're gonna do this yourself. I'll
sit here on your shoulder. But he mat it well,
he directed it. Do you know what I'm saying. But
he made me do it, you know what I mean.
Like he's like, use your ears, use your ears. Great
piece of advice, by the way he gave me, went
in doubt them as a use your ears.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Use your ears. It should be the last, the last
line of defense, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Oh dude, But I thank both of them. It's just
like I think Big Boy and all of them. It
just I've learned so much from having them as mentors.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Yeah, shout out to DJ Quick. I think there was
somebody who says recently about like he is who people
think doctor dre is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
And dude I said something about him on one the
TFU podcast did two hundred and fifty thousand views. He's
the man like everybody loves Quick.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
DJ quick is there's just nothing he can't do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Well. You know he did the drums one up in
the club right, did my Dad's going crazy? He's done? Uh,
he did that R Kelly record, he did that, and
the Ludacris record. What was that Ludacris record he did
on disturbing the Piece. I think it was I forgot today.
He's done a lot of sure, got the quick mane.

(01:43:01):
Get down, Get down, that's okay. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you for thank you for
having me boom fire.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
H m hm