September 18, 2025 • 25 mins
Tim and Jake the current state of the Minnesota Vikings, focusing on the implications of Carson Wentz stepping in as quarterback. They explore the potential impact of injuries, the future of JJ McCarthy, and the possibility of Max Brosmer taking the starting role. The discussion delves into the challenges of evaluating quarterbacks, the importance of game preparation, and the dynamics within the team as they navigate the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is the Vikings season over or is it just beginning.
This might look like happy Gilmour on the Front nine
when he was putting balls in the water. But then
maybe the Vikings found their happy place. And here comes
Carson Wentz riding on that triscle. Here comes Kevin o'cown
(00:23):
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on Jake for his expert analysis as a man that
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runs football programs and has head coaching experience, has played
the game. I get a lot of comments online of
have you played the game? What level of football have
you played? To feel entitled to your opinion, and I
always respond fifth grade flag football wide receiver, played both
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ends of the field wide receiver, safety slash d ND All. Right, Jake,
your thoughts so far on the developments within the Vikings
locker room.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, he gave me a lot to work with her.
First we just jump back, I mean, happy to go
more absolute phenomenal movie.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I have not seen the second one.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's worth watching once. I wouldn't just say that, it's like,
oh my gosh, you need to drop everything and watch it.
Most of us love that first one. Right, if you
love the first one, you're probably gonna like the second
one because it has just all the different cameos and
references and actors and actresses from the past. Again, it's
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worth it for that. Sometimes it's like annoying when they
do that, but this one was I thought it was
worth it. What I was gonna say is when he's
having that meltdown, specifically when he hits into that pond, right, Yeah,
he takes like five packs at it and he hits
it into the pond, would have the two stroke penalty
and he drops like one shot on the leaderboard. Again,
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they have a guy hit him with a Volkswagen. So
I get that that's not they're not going for realistic.
But that part always just bothered me as a you know,
high school golfer who did shoot a seventeen on the
whole once. He definitely would have been up in that
range because not, he's not just getting bogie after five
hacks in a water shot.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So he's not still in that golf tournament.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Maybe they thought that his hacks were just practice swings.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, that could be. But anyway, the Viking season, is
it safe? That was the question?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Is it over or is it just beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There's a couple of different ways you could look at it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
First of all, there actually are I actually agree it's
pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It couldn't get any worse.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean if the bar is eleven for twenty one,
one hundred and fifty eight yards and three turnovers, Carson
Wentz probably can do that. So we're not talking about
losing Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Like, the team is
not predicated on the Hey, our quarterback needs to throw
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for three hundred yards or you know, for two point
fifty and run for seventy five. Right, that's not how
our team is designed. You know, it's defense, first game manager, quarterback,
you know, second, you could say or whatever, So can
Carson Wentz come in and do that? I don't know.
I mean it's hard, right, he's done in the past.
People do forget that Super Bowl year. You know, before
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he got hurt, he was like the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He was gonna be the MVP of that season.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was, right, and then at whatever week eleven or
week twelve that he got hurt, he had thirty three
hundred yards and thirty three touchdowns in like eleven or
twelve games that year. So the point is, though, like
he's done in the PASSUF that was a while ago,
and he was an free agent off the street, right,
people are like, oh, Carson, I mean, okay, let's still
be realistic. All thirty two teams had decided, hey, we're
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not even gonna have him at camp. So clearly it's
not like he was somebody that was desired. And so
the Vikings one of them, great, love it good backup,
you know, so it's got a lot to prove in
that regard, you know, being thirty two year old kind
of you know, backup quarterback. But again, can he pull
off what JJ mccarthury did the first two weeks? But yeah,
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I mean it's a pretty low bar, so can he
accel above it? That'll be I guess the question, right.
I mean, he's got the tools, he has the experience,
he's got the offense and theory built around him. Now
the offensive line is potentially a quite scary part of that.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Christian Darrison did finally have a full participant day in
practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Can they get through Bengals, Steelers, Browns bye week?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah they can if you go three and two or
four and one over the next with the first five games.
I mean, that's very doable. I would say with Carson Wentz,
do you have a response to that?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
First of all, yes, he had a pretty good statistical
season his last full year starting with the Colts twenty
seven touchdowns, seven picks. But he's only played or started
in two games over the last two or three years,
and his experience in these past few seasons has been
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very limited. It's not like he's coming off a season
where he participated in fifteen games or or was even
a backup last year but started the year before that.
He's been a straight backup quarterback for the past two
years and started one game each of the past two seasons,
one in which they lost thirty eight to zero. Now,
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the Chiefs were probably not playing anybody because it was
the last game of the year and they had their
seeding solidified.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He has signed August twenty fourth, So it's.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Like as complex as Kevin o'connen's offense is, and he
was in the Sean McVay system.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
People love to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If Kevin o connins offensive system is so complex and.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was signed two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now Josh Dobbs was traded for and didn't know the
playbook and still let an unbelievable comeback against the Falcons.
How much of knowing the playbook is even important? But
it's going to play some role in being successful. And
the next thing I wanted to say was Kevin O'Connell
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went on Paul Allen's ninth to noon show and talked
about Carson Wentz the previous week when McCarthy was out
there catching his baby and he says, I don't think
the ball touched the ground more than one time, and
he's selling Carson Wentz to the organization and to the
fan base, and to me, fifty percent of the NFL
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is a sell job because what Kevin O'Connell is not
going to do is well. Season's over, Carson Wentz looked
bad in practice, and yeah, you know what we're on
to next season.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He's not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And when I look at what the Vikings are dealt,
it can't get any worse.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And maybe Carson Wentz will win against the Bengals. But
my biggest question is, Okay, if he wins against the Bengals, great,
I'm not going to be up here celebrating and have
some party. I question if this is a consistent, sustainable
way of winning as far.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
As backups go, and he's in that bucket of guys
that could be decent have experienced. There's not many teams
where you go to your backup quarterback and you feel
great about it, right. I mean, that's just not how
the NFL works. It's a very different position. But you're right,
Camcy's I mean, that's that is part of any coaching
job is you're selling a message, right, You're selling your team,
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You're convincing your team of your message, right, all those
sorts of things. That's such a key part of being
a coach. Casey's kind of a master at it. So yeah,
he's not going to go on PA and say, hey,
we're done.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If Carson Wentz does play well, do the Vikings have
some hesitancy putting J. J.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
McCarthy back in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
If Carson Wentz leads the Vikings to a four and
one and somehow the Vikings offense looks really, really good, that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Would be the very difficult position, right. I mean, that's
especially it's the hard stretch. I remember the order of
the game, so I only play the Ravens Eagles. That
stretch is a tough stretch. Right, So if you go
back to JJ and he just looks pitiful after Wentz,
let's say he was like a B plus, right, he
did well enough, we won two out of the next
three games, and we feel okay, and he has stats
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are pretty solid. If you put JJ in, you're not
going back to wents like that. That can't happen, right,
I mean, so then you gotta struggle through whatever JJ does,
because then if you're switching it back to Wentz, it's like,
what are we doing now at the end of the day, Right,
The NFL is about winning games, right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Who play to win the game.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Win the game. The development of JJ McCarthy obviously matters immensely. Right.
That is the future and hopefully the present of the
Vikings franchise. But yeah, if Carson Wentz let's go three
and ozero and has two hundred some yard and fifty
yards a game, and you know he's doing the play action, well,
he's running the offense. Well we get Jordan Mason going,
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you know which, that is looking a lot better. I
might call again, still like that, great call. Great, I'll
just say it every week. I'm sure carriage for like
twenty yards and starter. I do think he's actually pretty good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And I think everyone's saying the same thing. I think.
I think I think you're clear. Yeah, I think I
think you're.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Leading that Jordan Mason pack of fans. Here's the theory
with this McCarthy Carson Wentz thing. And I'll even go
as far to call this my tim bomb. All right,
if Carson Wentz plays well these next three weeks, all
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of a sudden, Jajon McCarthy's ankle injury has lingered a
little bit longer than they were anticipating. It would be
the last thing I think they're gonna say is McCarthy's
ready to play his ankle injury is one hundred percent.
(11:02):
But we just like the direction Carson Wentz has taken
the franchise. If Wentz plays well, all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, McCarthy, even after the bye week, oh,
I'm my ankle, it's just not there. We want to
give it an extra week or two to get back.
And then if Carson Wentz implodes in his revenge game
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against the Eagles, then it's gonna be like McCarthy's all
of a sudden healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. I mean. And at
the end of the day, right when we talk about, hey,
well Wentz, if he plays so well, will he somehow
keep the job for the year? I mean, the odds
would more rather say that he's gonna fall in the
sword a little bit, right, like eventually, right, Yeah, it's
been a while since he's shown that, like, oh my gosh,
he can lead a team to a playoff berth kind
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of thing. He'll kind of do the damage himself and
then you can put JJ Beck in, you know, I mean,
to be fair, though, it's not worth rushing JJ back,
especially if our offensive line stays suspect, right, you know,
you don't want to put your twenty two year old
out there and to get you know, destroyed again. If
he's not feeling confident in that ankle, you can come
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back earlier. But are you one hundred percent are you
moving on it the way you want to? Are you
feeling confident in your dropbacks? Like, especially as a quarterback,
it's a little different too than just like, Oh, it
doesn't really hurt as much anymore. I can run now
versus oh, I can play an NFL game, you know,
and do all the things that I need to do
to be successful. So in that regard, I think you
are definitely right that they they'll probably slow play it
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a lot more than they will hustle him back.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I would say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
On the other side, if Carson went stinks, I know
we're tackling all sides of the coin, but.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I know we will be stinks. Well, what if he
plays well?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
What if he stinks again?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I mean, how do you not get have the opportunity
to a Max Brosmer Or does Carson Wentz need to
get injured for Brosmer to have his time to shine?
Gotta be look good in the preseason. I have his
preseason stats right here. Eight three hundred and sixty four yards,
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two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
One pick is JJ McCarthy, the Trey Lance to Max
Brosmer's Brock Purty. One is the highly touted did not
do as much as you would expect to do in college. Right,
Lance had one year, McCarthy had two. Obviously won of title,
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so that part's phenomenal. But in terms of throwing the ball, right,
not like a huge relied upon option in college. Brozemer
spent three years at SCS, but he threw eight, you know,
almost nine thousand yards, seventy touchdowns. You know, he led
the FCS and passing yards per game in his last
year there comes to the Gophers school record successful season yards.
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So my point being right, you have the experienced guy
with lots of starting experience through the flung the ball
all over the place in college, even when he got
to the Gophers. Again, for as far as the Gophers
are concerned for how little we usually passed the ball,
he threw it a lot. And you have the guy
who doesn't have that same experience, doesn't have that same
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you know, passing experience.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm just to try to cut through the natural bias
in this situation because.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Brodsboro was a Gopher.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
If he was some random Division one quarterback in the
state of Oklahoma, I would still be interested in Max
Brosmer potentially starting while Jays McCarthy is out. And I
think that answer is yes because of what he delivered
in the preseason. And I get it's just preseason, but
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the finale preseason game, specifically, he was playing with the
third string offense going agains the Tennessee Tanks first string defense,
and he moved the ball down the field and he
showcased some things to me that I'm like, Wow, you
look like an NFL quarterback. And something that Brosmer showcased
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in the preseason that McCarthy has not yet showcased in
the regular season is his anticipatory skills. I'm about the anticipation.
I'm about throwing the ball before a guy actually turns
to receive the ball, because so many of those throats
need to take place in the NFL in order to
have success. And Brosemer showcase it over and over and
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over again in the preseason. McCarthy, there's a guy turning,
waiting for the ball, he still has not yet thrown
the ball, and then he throws it allows the defense
to collapse. So McCarthy, what I've seen is he's processing slowly.
And it kind of goes back to the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Theory of.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Do you prefer a quarterback for a team like a
Michigan and Alabama, or do you want a quarterback like
Josh Allen who played for a smaller Division I program,
pator Mahomes. McCarthy coming into the an NFL situation out
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of a perfect situation in college where he could sit
back there, take his time, throw the ball really whenever
he wanted to. Because of the line, sometimes it takes
those guys a little bit longer to process in the
league because they didn't have to do it as quickly
as some of these other guys in college football.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And just as many passing reps. Again, I mean, just
like you know, Josh Allen chucked the ball around, Mahomes
chucked the ball around, right. They came from programs that
just throw the ball a lot, get right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Lamar Jackson, Louisville, I mean, decent program, but it's not
a Michigan or Ohio State or you know some of
these big top SEC, Big Ten schools.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If you're the Vikings, why don't you just roll Brozemer
out instead of Wentz in the first place. Obviously, Wentz
again has that Vetteran experience, so that does make sense.
I get what they're doing obviously, but if it probably
if I assumed Brosmer had that level of readiness, right,
they probably would roll him out there. So you know,
I'm also trusting Koc and then that Brozman probably isn't ready.
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But there's an argument to me, hey, let's see what
we have with this rookie quarterback. Why not like, see
what you got, see if he can do it at
this level, because he's showing he could do it at
lower levels. And again there's a huge step up. It's
not gonna be automatic. Obviously he might completely fail who knows, right,
But at least then you can kind of see if
you have anything in brose Mur or if you don't.
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Right versus, we know Wentz isn't going to surprise us
and have an MVP season. The rest of the way,
Wentz isn't. You know, we know what Wentz is. Right,
he might win a few games, but at the end
of the day, we still know what Wentz is. You know,
we don't know what Brosmer at the NFL level is is,
And it's not that you usually don't get to test that, right,
Usually don't. Usually your starter is just good to go
and you don't have to test it. Like I said,
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but again, you had jj out. This isn't a bad
way to test out whether you Brozemer can be an
NFL quarterback or not. You can't ever let pride get
in the way of winning football games. I'm not saying
that's what's happening here, right, but like you look at
the Cardinals when they drafted Josh Rosen in the first
round and then they end up with the first first
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overall pick. You know, they had to swallow their pride
and say, we picked the wrong one last year. He's
not him. I know we invested a first round pick,
but we have to start over, right. You know. There's
so many situations like that where guys quarterback or coaches
or organizations whatever hold on too long to certain players,
you know, hoping that hey, this is the higher touted guy,
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this is the veteran this is And again I'm not
saying that's what happening here. It's way too early for that. Obviously.
Sometimes it gets in the way of evaluating when you're
like well, this guy is a first rounder and this
guy's a fifth rounder, so we're gonna, naturally, you give
that first rounder much longer leash to get the job
done than that best rounder ever would. And that's normal. Again,
that's that's normal. I get that. But it's just I
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guess it's more just like an interesting point that I'm
I was wondering if there'd be more kind of like
media narrative. I guess about, hey, why why isn't Brozmer
getting a shot? Maybe it will if Carson Wentz absolutely
sucks on Sunday against the Bengals. I'm sure we will
see that next week about hey, why don't we give
the kid a shot? But for now it's his job.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So ye, could there potentially be some fear behind starting
Max bersan that it sounds so stupid saying it out loud,
But what if Max Brosemar goes out there, dominates three games,
McCarthy comes out, comes back from Ntory, stinks up the joint,
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's it's hits you smack dad in the face. That
Brosmer is way better than McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I mean fear it would be a good I mean,
I guess that's kind of the pride point I'm talking about, right,
where it's like you, your previous expectations are hard to
get over, and again sometimes rightfully so again, McCarthy's a
first rounder like you. You invested all your time and
resources into him. You want to give him a longer leash.
That totally makes sense. It's not like a wrong thing
to do. But like your point, if Brosemar Alson did
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end up playing and it was crazy, that would pose
quite the difficult situation to navigate. And again, this is
all you know, kind of theoretical. Right, doesn't look like
Brower's gonna get shot. Even if he did, who knows
if he'd be elite or not. Right, that's just kind
of fun to talk about.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
But yeah, it is until Walter rolsm this is a
blindside block on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And then it comes back to.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Brosmar Yeah, or Desmon Ridder newly signed Desmon Ridder.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
There you go. Let's run the Josh Dobbs season back.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, and Trey Henderson's a little scary for Andy, I'll
say that.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Let's let's ask the real questions.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Is former backup Desmond Ridder of the Cincinnati Bengals. Mm
hmm now part of the Vikings organization or former Vikings
back up Mark Rippin that's now part of the Cincinnati
Bengals organization, a bigger advantage to the others team.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, it was rid of a Bengals guys training camp camp,
So they're going to be swapping secrets.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It's stupid. I think that's the dumbest overplayed theig of
the world.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think that's people not understanding how prepared these teams are.
Think about how many staff like defensively right, how much
film they watch, and how prepared they are for everything
the Vikings are going to do. Now again, did the
Vikings ad wrinkles and changes and tweaks and change. Of
course they do, right, But like you're not, like you
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don't need the insider information because you kind of essentially
already have it because you watch so much film. NFL
coaches generally most of them are NFL coaches for a reason.
They're very good at their jobs. They know football, like
they know what they're looking for. Like, yeah, if there's
no they're not trading you know what the Bengals they're
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third and ten, they usually yeah, they already know that like,
what are you gonna.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Tell that you're gonna pass on third and ten?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, like what, there's no again, the verbiage of what
they do doesn't matter. We don't really care about that, right, Like, oh,
this is how they call their plays or what they
name the things, or about who cares? It's about the
excess and knowst part of it and that they already
again have analyzed on film for hours upon hours upon hours.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's at this point in time and it's not about
the play calls.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's about the execution.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Everybody knows when each other's running.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
There's some truth.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Again, even at the high school level, Like the beautiful
part about film right nowadays because like game in ten
years ago, we didn't have the same kind of it
was difficult to get filmed. Now it's with huddle. It's
like you can watch every single game the other team
is played, right. It even like charts for you, like
what plays they run, Like what percentage of the time
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out of the formation? Like I can look and go, oh,
like our opponent this Friday, Like when they're in this formation,
they passed the ball seventy five percent of the time,
and then when they're in this other formation, they run
the ball seventy five percent of time.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Think about the extra data the NFL house.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right, and that's just like a basic I'm guessing they're.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Not using Huddle for their data compilation.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Right, or there's like a professional version. Yeah, it's again
without a ton of ton of ton of way. No,
it takes some work. And I watch all the games
like whatever, like it's we're you know, you're still doing stuff.
But my point is simply being like you don't have
to be a rocket scientist to look at that report
and go, oh, this is probably what they're gonna do,
you know what I mean? And like, so then right,
you take that to the end degree of the NFL,
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where it's like they're professionals who do this all day,
like that's their job. Like we're doing this after school
right or before school or duram during school. But hey, my.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Class, let's read the first thirty page of this book.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I gotta prepare for my opponent tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah oh yeah, but yeah, I just feel like I
would imagine people don't realize how much information they truly
have on each other and how much of a chess
match it is trying to come up with wrinkles that
can actually fool the other team, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So for sure, Yeah, well, Jake, appreciate you as always
diving into the latest Bikings controversies.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's always fun. How do I do have my facial
expressions and someone because again now I got a big
lichfield following, so they were critiquing me. Now, oh they
said on one of the last like the videos that
you post on instead that I'm just too like I
just sit there and stare at you, like, well, when
Tim's making a just making a big point, I'm not
gonna be like, what, let's good point, good point.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You you you you You're just listening too much.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
More like.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, okay, coachable, Yeah I am cord okay, yeah yeah,
very culturable.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
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Is the Vikings season over or is it just beginning.
This might look like happy Gilmour on the Front nine
when he was putting balls in the water. But then
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on Jake for his expert analysis as a man that
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runs football programs and has head coaching experience, has played
the game. I get a lot of comments online of
have you played the game? What level of football have
you played? To feel entitled to your opinion, and I
always respond fifth grade flag football wide receiver, played both
(01:31):
ends of the field wide receiver, safety slash d ND All. Right, Jake,
your thoughts so far on the developments within the Vikings
locker room.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, he gave me a lot to work with her.
First we just jump back, I mean, happy to go
more absolute phenomenal movie.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I have not seen the second one.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's worth watching once. I wouldn't just say that, it's like,
oh my gosh, you need to drop everything and watch it.
Most of us love that first one. Right, if you
love the first one, you're probably gonna like the second
one because it has just all the different cameos and
references and actors and actresses from the past. Again, it's
(02:12):
worth it for that. Sometimes it's like annoying when they
do that, but this one was I thought it was
worth it. What I was gonna say is when he's
having that meltdown, specifically when he hits into that pond, right, Yeah,
he takes like five packs at it and he hits
it into the pond, would have the two stroke penalty
and he drops like one shot on the leaderboard. Again,
(02:33):
they have a guy hit him with a Volkswagen. So
I get that that's not they're not going for realistic.
But that part always just bothered me as a you know,
high school golfer who did shoot a seventeen on the
whole once. He definitely would have been up in that
range because not, he's not just getting bogie after five
hacks in a water shot.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So he's not still in that golf tournament.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Maybe they thought that his hacks were just practice swings.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, that could be. But anyway, the Viking season, is
it safe? That was the question?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Is it over or is it just beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There's a couple of different ways you could look at it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
First of all, there actually are I actually agree it's
pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It couldn't get any worse.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean if the bar is eleven for twenty one,
one hundred and fifty eight yards and three turnovers, Carson
Wentz probably can do that. So we're not talking about
losing Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Like, the team is
not predicated on the Hey, our quarterback needs to throw
(03:36):
for three hundred yards or you know, for two point
fifty and run for seventy five. Right, that's not how
our team is designed. You know, it's defense, first game manager, quarterback,
you know, second, you could say or whatever, So can
Carson Wentz come in and do that? I don't know.
I mean it's hard, right, he's done in the past.
People do forget that Super Bowl year. You know, before
(03:59):
he got hurt, he was like the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He was gonna be the MVP of that season.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was, right, and then at whatever week eleven or
week twelve that he got hurt, he had thirty three
hundred yards and thirty three touchdowns in like eleven or
twelve games that year. So the point is, though, like
he's done in the PASSUF that was a while ago,
and he was an free agent off the street, right,
people are like, oh, Carson, I mean, okay, let's still
be realistic. All thirty two teams had decided, hey, we're
(04:24):
not even gonna have him at camp. So clearly it's
not like he was somebody that was desired. And so
the Vikings one of them, great, love it good backup,
you know, so it's got a lot to prove in
that regard, you know, being thirty two year old kind
of you know, backup quarterback. But again, can he pull
off what JJ mccarthury did the first two weeks? But yeah,
(04:46):
I mean it's a pretty low bar, so can he
accel above it? That'll be I guess the question, right.
I mean, he's got the tools, he has the experience,
he's got the offense and theory built around him. Now
the offensive line is potentially a quite scary part of that.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Christian Darrison did finally have a full participant day in
practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Can they get through Bengals, Steelers, Browns bye week?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah they can if you go three and two or
four and one over the next with the first five games.
I mean, that's very doable. I would say with Carson Wentz,
do you have a response to that?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
First of all, yes, he had a pretty good statistical
season his last full year starting with the Colts twenty
seven touchdowns, seven picks. But he's only played or started
in two games over the last two or three years,
and his experience in these past few seasons has been
(05:45):
very limited. It's not like he's coming off a season
where he participated in fifteen games or or was even
a backup last year but started the year before that.
He's been a straight backup quarterback for the past two
years and started one game each of the past two seasons,
one in which they lost thirty eight to zero. Now,
(06:07):
the Chiefs were probably not playing anybody because it was
the last game of the year and they had their
seeding solidified.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He has signed August twenty fourth, So it's.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Like as complex as Kevin o'connen's offense is, and he
was in the Sean McVay system.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
People love to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If Kevin o connins offensive system is so complex and.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was signed two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now Josh Dobbs was traded for and didn't know the
playbook and still let an unbelievable comeback against the Falcons.
How much of knowing the playbook is even important? But
it's going to play some role in being successful. And
the next thing I wanted to say was Kevin O'Connell
(06:53):
went on Paul Allen's ninth to noon show and talked
about Carson Wentz the previous week when McCarthy was out
there catching his baby and he says, I don't think
the ball touched the ground more than one time, and
he's selling Carson Wentz to the organization and to the
fan base, and to me, fifty percent of the NFL
(07:17):
is a sell job because what Kevin O'Connell is not
going to do is well. Season's over, Carson Wentz looked
bad in practice, and yeah, you know what we're on
to next season.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He's not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And when I look at what the Vikings are dealt,
it can't get any worse.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And maybe Carson Wentz will win against the Bengals. But
my biggest question is, Okay, if he wins against the Bengals, great,
I'm not going to be up here celebrating and have
some party. I question if this is a consistent, sustainable
way of winning as far.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
As backups go, and he's in that bucket of guys
that could be decent have experienced. There's not many teams
where you go to your backup quarterback and you feel
great about it, right. I mean, that's just not how
the NFL works. It's a very different position. But you're right,
Camcy's I mean, that's that is part of any coaching
job is you're selling a message, right, You're selling your team,
(08:25):
You're convincing your team of your message, right, all those
sorts of things. That's such a key part of being
a coach. Casey's kind of a master at it. So yeah,
he's not going to go on PA and say, hey,
we're done.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If Carson Wentz does play well, do the Vikings have
some hesitancy putting J. J.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
McCarthy back in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
If Carson Wentz leads the Vikings to a four and
one and somehow the Vikings offense looks really, really good, that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Would be the very difficult position, right. I mean, that's
especially it's the hard stretch. I remember the order of
the game, so I only play the Ravens Eagles. That
stretch is a tough stretch. Right, So if you go
back to JJ and he just looks pitiful after Wentz,
let's say he was like a B plus, right, he
did well enough, we won two out of the next
three games, and we feel okay, and he has stats
(09:14):
are pretty solid. If you put JJ in, you're not
going back to wents like that. That can't happen, right,
I mean, so then you gotta struggle through whatever JJ does,
because then if you're switching it back to Wentz, it's like,
what are we doing now at the end of the day, Right,
The NFL is about winning games, right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Who play to win the game.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Win the game. The development of JJ McCarthy obviously matters immensely. Right.
That is the future and hopefully the present of the
Vikings franchise. But yeah, if Carson Wentz let's go three
and ozero and has two hundred some yard and fifty
yards a game, and you know he's doing the play action, well,
he's running the offense. Well we get Jordan Mason going,
(09:55):
you know which, that is looking a lot better. I
might call again, still like that, great call. Great, I'll
just say it every week. I'm sure carriage for like
twenty yards and starter. I do think he's actually pretty good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And I think everyone's saying the same thing. I think.
I think I think you're clear. Yeah, I think I
think you're.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Leading that Jordan Mason pack of fans. Here's the theory
with this McCarthy Carson Wentz thing. And I'll even go
as far to call this my tim bomb. All right,
if Carson Wentz plays well these next three weeks, all
(10:42):
of a sudden, Jajon McCarthy's ankle injury has lingered a
little bit longer than they were anticipating. It would be
the last thing I think they're gonna say is McCarthy's
ready to play his ankle injury is one hundred percent.
(11:02):
But we just like the direction Carson Wentz has taken
the franchise. If Wentz plays well, all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, McCarthy, even after the bye week, oh,
I'm my ankle, it's just not there. We want to
give it an extra week or two to get back.
And then if Carson Wentz implodes in his revenge game
(11:26):
against the Eagles, then it's gonna be like McCarthy's all
of a sudden healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. I mean. And at
the end of the day, right when we talk about, hey,
well Wentz, if he plays so well, will he somehow
keep the job for the year? I mean, the odds
would more rather say that he's gonna fall in the
sword a little bit, right, like eventually, right, Yeah, it's
been a while since he's shown that, like, oh my gosh,
he can lead a team to a playoff berth kind
(11:54):
of thing. He'll kind of do the damage himself and
then you can put JJ Beck in, you know, I mean,
to be fair, though, it's not worth rushing JJ back,
especially if our offensive line stays suspect, right, you know,
you don't want to put your twenty two year old
out there and to get you know, destroyed again. If
he's not feeling confident in that ankle, you can come
(12:16):
back earlier. But are you one hundred percent are you
moving on it the way you want to? Are you
feeling confident in your dropbacks? Like, especially as a quarterback,
it's a little different too than just like, Oh, it
doesn't really hurt as much anymore. I can run now
versus oh, I can play an NFL game, you know,
and do all the things that I need to do
to be successful. So in that regard, I think you
are definitely right that they they'll probably slow play it
(12:39):
a lot more than they will hustle him back.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I would say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
On the other side, if Carson went stinks, I know
we're tackling all sides of the coin, but.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I know we will be stinks. Well, what if he
plays well?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
What if he stinks again?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I mean, how do you not get have the opportunity
to a Max Brosmer Or does Carson Wentz need to
get injured for Brosmer to have his time to shine?
Gotta be look good in the preseason. I have his
preseason stats right here. Eight three hundred and sixty four yards,
(13:17):
two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
One pick is JJ McCarthy, the Trey Lance to Max
Brosmer's Brock Purty. One is the highly touted did not
do as much as you would expect to do in college. Right,
Lance had one year, McCarthy had two. Obviously won of title,
(13:38):
so that part's phenomenal. But in terms of throwing the ball, right,
not like a huge relied upon option in college. Brozemer
spent three years at SCS, but he threw eight, you know,
almost nine thousand yards, seventy touchdowns. You know, he led
the FCS and passing yards per game in his last
year there comes to the Gophers school record successful season yards.
(14:01):
So my point being right, you have the experienced guy
with lots of starting experience through the flung the ball
all over the place in college, even when he got
to the Gophers. Again, for as far as the Gophers
are concerned for how little we usually passed the ball,
he threw it a lot. And you have the guy
who doesn't have that same experience, doesn't have that same
(14:21):
you know, passing experience.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm just to try to cut through the natural bias
in this situation because.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Brodsboro was a Gopher.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
If he was some random Division one quarterback in the
state of Oklahoma, I would still be interested in Max
Brosmer potentially starting while Jays McCarthy is out. And I
think that answer is yes because of what he delivered
in the preseason. And I get it's just preseason, but
(14:53):
the finale preseason game, specifically, he was playing with the
third string offense going agains the Tennessee Tanks first string defense,
and he moved the ball down the field and he
showcased some things to me that I'm like, Wow, you
look like an NFL quarterback. And something that Brosmer showcased
(15:15):
in the preseason that McCarthy has not yet showcased in
the regular season is his anticipatory skills. I'm about the anticipation.
I'm about throwing the ball before a guy actually turns
to receive the ball, because so many of those throats
need to take place in the NFL in order to
have success. And Brosemer showcase it over and over and
(15:37):
over again in the preseason. McCarthy, there's a guy turning,
waiting for the ball, he still has not yet thrown
the ball, and then he throws it allows the defense
to collapse. So McCarthy, what I've seen is he's processing slowly.
And it kind of goes back to the.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Theory of.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Do you prefer a quarterback for a team like a
Michigan and Alabama, or do you want a quarterback like
Josh Allen who played for a smaller Division I program,
pator Mahomes. McCarthy coming into the an NFL situation out
(16:21):
of a perfect situation in college where he could sit
back there, take his time, throw the ball really whenever
he wanted to. Because of the line, sometimes it takes
those guys a little bit longer to process in the
league because they didn't have to do it as quickly
as some of these other guys in college football.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And just as many passing reps. Again, I mean, just
like you know, Josh Allen chucked the ball around, Mahomes
chucked the ball around, right. They came from programs that
just throw the ball a lot, get right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Lamar Jackson, Louisville, I mean, decent program, but it's not
a Michigan or Ohio State or you know some of
these big top SEC, Big Ten schools.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If you're the Vikings, why don't you just roll Brozemer
out instead of Wentz in the first place. Obviously, Wentz
again has that Vetteran experience, so that does make sense.
I get what they're doing obviously, but if it probably
if I assumed Brosmer had that level of readiness, right,
they probably would roll him out there. So you know,
I'm also trusting Koc and then that Brozman probably isn't ready.
(17:25):
But there's an argument to me, hey, let's see what
we have with this rookie quarterback. Why not like, see
what you got, see if he can do it at
this level, because he's showing he could do it at
lower levels. And again there's a huge step up. It's
not gonna be automatic. Obviously he might completely fail who knows, right,
But at least then you can kind of see if
you have anything in brose Mur or if you don't.
(17:46):
Right versus, we know Wentz isn't going to surprise us
and have an MVP season. The rest of the way,
Wentz isn't. You know, we know what Wentz is. Right,
he might win a few games, but at the end
of the day, we still know what Wentz is. You know,
we don't know what Brosmer at the NFL level is is,
And it's not that you usually don't get to test that, right,
Usually don't. Usually your starter is just good to go
and you don't have to test it. Like I said,
(18:08):
but again, you had jj out. This isn't a bad
way to test out whether you Brozemer can be an
NFL quarterback or not. You can't ever let pride get
in the way of winning football games. I'm not saying
that's what's happening here, right, but like you look at
the Cardinals when they drafted Josh Rosen in the first
round and then they end up with the first first
(18:29):
overall pick. You know, they had to swallow their pride
and say, we picked the wrong one last year. He's
not him. I know we invested a first round pick,
but we have to start over, right. You know. There's
so many situations like that where guys quarterback or coaches
or organizations whatever hold on too long to certain players,
you know, hoping that hey, this is the higher touted guy,
(18:52):
this is the veteran this is And again I'm not
saying that's what happening here. It's way too early for that. Obviously.
Sometimes it gets in the way of evaluating when you're
like well, this guy is a first rounder and this
guy's a fifth rounder, so we're gonna, naturally, you give
that first rounder much longer leash to get the job
done than that best rounder ever would. And that's normal. Again,
that's that's normal. I get that. But it's just I
(19:15):
guess it's more just like an interesting point that I'm
I was wondering if there'd be more kind of like
media narrative. I guess about, hey, why why isn't Brozmer
getting a shot? Maybe it will if Carson Wentz absolutely
sucks on Sunday against the Bengals. I'm sure we will
see that next week about hey, why don't we give
the kid a shot? But for now it's his job.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So ye, could there potentially be some fear behind starting
Max bersan that it sounds so stupid saying it out loud,
But what if Max Brosemar goes out there, dominates three games,
McCarthy comes out, comes back from Ntory, stinks up the joint,
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's it's hits you smack dad in the face. That
Brosmer is way better than McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I mean fear it would be a good I mean,
I guess that's kind of the pride point I'm talking about, right,
where it's like you, your previous expectations are hard to
get over, and again sometimes rightfully so again, McCarthy's a
first rounder like you. You invested all your time and
resources into him. You want to give him a longer leash.
That totally makes sense. It's not like a wrong thing
to do. But like your point, if Brosemar Alson did
(20:21):
end up playing and it was crazy, that would pose
quite the difficult situation to navigate. And again, this is
all you know, kind of theoretical. Right, doesn't look like
Brower's gonna get shot. Even if he did, who knows
if he'd be elite or not. Right, that's just kind
of fun to talk about.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
But yeah, it is until Walter rolsm this is a
blindside block on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And then it comes back to.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Brosmar Yeah, or Desmon Ridder newly signed Desmon Ridder.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
There you go. Let's run the Josh Dobbs season back.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, and Trey Henderson's a little scary for Andy, I'll
say that.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Let's let's ask the real questions.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Is former backup Desmond Ridder of the Cincinnati Bengals. Mm
hmm now part of the Vikings organization or former Vikings
back up Mark Rippin that's now part of the Cincinnati
Bengals organization, a bigger advantage to the others team.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, it was rid of a Bengals guys training camp camp,
So they're going to be swapping secrets.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It's stupid. I think that's the dumbest overplayed theig of
the world.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think that's people not understanding how prepared these teams are.
Think about how many staff like defensively right, how much
film they watch, and how prepared they are for everything
the Vikings are going to do. Now again, did the
Vikings ad wrinkles and changes and tweaks and change. Of
course they do, right, But like you're not, like you
(22:00):
don't need the insider information because you kind of essentially
already have it because you watch so much film. NFL
coaches generally most of them are NFL coaches for a reason.
They're very good at their jobs. They know football, like
they know what they're looking for. Like, yeah, if there's
no they're not trading you know what the Bengals they're
(22:21):
third and ten, they usually yeah, they already know that like,
what are you gonna.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Tell that you're gonna pass on third and ten?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, like what, there's no again, the verbiage of what
they do doesn't matter. We don't really care about that, right, Like, oh,
this is how they call their plays or what they
name the things, or about who cares? It's about the
excess and knowst part of it and that they already
again have analyzed on film for hours upon hours upon hours.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's at this point in time and it's not about
the play calls.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's about the execution.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Everybody knows when each other's running.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
There's some truth.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Again, even at the high school level, Like the beautiful
part about film right nowadays because like game in ten
years ago, we didn't have the same kind of it
was difficult to get filmed. Now it's with huddle. It's
like you can watch every single game the other team
is played, right. It even like charts for you, like
what plays they run, Like what percentage of the time
(23:16):
out of the formation? Like I can look and go, oh,
like our opponent this Friday, Like when they're in this formation,
they passed the ball seventy five percent of the time,
and then when they're in this other formation, they run
the ball seventy five percent of time.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Think about the extra data the NFL house.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right, and that's just like a basic I'm guessing they're.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Not using Huddle for their data compilation.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Right, or there's like a professional version. Yeah, it's again
without a ton of ton of ton of way. No,
it takes some work. And I watch all the games
like whatever, like it's we're you know, you're still doing stuff.
But my point is simply being like you don't have
to be a rocket scientist to look at that report
and go, oh, this is probably what they're gonna do,
you know what I mean? And like, so then right,
you take that to the end degree of the NFL,
(23:58):
where it's like they're professionals who do this all day,
like that's their job. Like we're doing this after school
right or before school or duram during school. But hey, my.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Class, let's read the first thirty page of this book.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I gotta prepare for my opponent tonight.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah oh yeah, but yeah, I just feel like I
would imagine people don't realize how much information they truly
have on each other and how much of a chess
match it is trying to come up with wrinkles that
can actually fool the other team, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So for sure, Yeah, well, Jake, appreciate you as always
diving into the latest Bikings controversies.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's always fun. How do I do have my facial
expressions and someone because again now I got a big
lichfield following, so they were critiquing me. Now, oh they
said on one of the last like the videos that
you post on instead that I'm just too like I
just sit there and stare at you, like, well, when
Tim's making a just making a big point, I'm not
gonna be like, what, let's good point, good point.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You you you you You're just listening too much.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
More like.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, okay, coachable, Yeah I am cord okay, yeah yeah,
very culturable.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Always a pleasure too, Always a pleasure. All Right, We
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